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was born and raised in Laro's, Louisiana. He is a

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passionate advocate for preserving and sharing the rich history, culture
and folklore of his beloved state. He is founder and
proprietor of Louisiana Dread, a company dedicated to showcasing Louisiana's
unique heritage with stories, traditions, and legends passed down to

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future generations. Through Louisiana Dread, he combines his expertise in
digital media and extensive knowledge of local history to create
captivating online content, including videos, articles, and podcasts that explore
the hidden gyms and eerie tales of the Bayou.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Kyle, welcome, How you doing.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Fantastic, my friend. I appreciate you hitting me up. It's
a pleasure to be on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Mo, it's pleasure to have you.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I always enjoy speaking with Louisiana natives, especially about the high,
strange aspects of the beautiful state. And today we're gonna
learn even more about the unusual and unique wonders of
this mystical wetlands that we know as Louisiana. But first,
this is your first time on tell us a little

(02:35):
bit more about yourself and Louisiana Drid.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
So, I'm originally from about two hours to an hour
south of New Orleans. It's a place called Bayo Lafouche
South Lafouche area to be specific. And you know, I
grew up really hearing the best kind of stories, you know,
from my mom. Paul would tell me stories growing up
to about things like the rugar ru to make me
stay inside, you know, or is it going to get you?

(03:01):
That kind of stuff. And I lived in Los Angeles
for a little while and where I met some black
minded people, and that over there was really where I
saw the potential for true and authentic Louisiana stories that
needed to be made because in perpetuity in the past,
it's just been like people come here and they love

(03:23):
our culture. And don't get me wrong, we love you
to come here, but you need to respect the culture
if you want to tell the stories of the culture.
So essentially, I wrote a ten episode horror anthology series
that I'm trying to get funded right now. It's called
Louisiana Dread, and each individual episode involves some aspect of
our culture, and it's the whole story is taken, you know,

(03:49):
since twenty seventeen essentially to come up with a lot
of these stories, and I started the Louisiana Dread online
series to kind of help with the funding and raise
more awareness for actual project itself, and that's really taken
off in ways that I never dreamt possible.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Man.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Really, it's it's been a roller coaster ride, to say
the least. But Louisiana Dred in essence is it's an
online platform that aims to preserve and share Louisiana culture, history, folklore, language,
all of the above. And I've really been working tirelessly
since twenty seventeen to really give out the quality products,

(04:30):
you know, quality stories. I do an insane amount of
research on the back end just to show like, hey,
this happened this way. You can't be biased when it
comes to history. If you bias one direction, it alters history,
and that's something that I'm very much so against. But
at the same time, when you talk about things like

(04:52):
paranormal entities or these cryptid creatures and stuff, there's a
lot of people that don't believe in it, and there's
people that actually do believe it and have claimed to
have seen it. But what really matters is that the
story exists and survives, because that, in essence is folk rule.
Every story you have ever heard about a ghost anywhere ever,

(05:14):
that is now cemented it's concrete as that area's folklore
and that needs to be preserved. It's stories Traditionally i'll
pass down orally, but now we have the gift that
we can immortalize it, and every story can be different
about the same thing. So it's just so fascinating to
really bring this whole thing to life and to see

(05:37):
how many people are actually enjoying it. So it's really cool.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I love it, man.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
This is what we need more of, especially because there's
so many people who have misconceptions or misunderstandings about some
of these myths and folklore that you're just speaking about.
And there's so many people that are interested in this
and more and more becoming interested in these different places
and their history.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
So I love what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Man.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Have you growing up in Louisiana experienced anything that you
would consider explainable, strange, paranormal?

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Man, every time I walk out the door, there's something
unexplainable happening. But whether it's paranormal or not, yeah, it
doesn't really matter. But no, to be honest with you,
I haven't ever I felt weird in certain areas, Like
I just felt like the energy in the area was
just a little off. I've never seen in any type
of paranormal event happening, thankfully, and hey, if they're listening

(06:35):
right now, let's keep it that way. But I've my goodness,
I've had an unimaginable amount of emails sent to me.
And if you're listening right now, feel free to send
me an email at Kyle L. A Dread at Gmail
and tell me your you know, experience with the paranormal
when it comes to you know, like Louisiana stuff. But uh,
now I haven't I had. I've always was terrified as

(06:58):
a kid being out, you know, when the sun went down,
because I was almost certain that the rugaru or something
else was gonna come get me. You know, when you
get instilled that that type of fear. But I will
tell you one little story. Tradition on the island Grand Isle,
where I've spent most of my childhood. Nice but on

(07:20):
the island, you know, it's a lot of people, teenagers
would go in packs and they would have eggs and
they would egg people on Halloween night. But I didn't
really understand that at the time, and I was told
not to go outside because it's Halloween and the rug

(07:43):
us out and he's gonna get you. Well, my cousins
and I Halloween night, we just slipped out the door,
and again they were the parents were obviously watching. They
didn't they knew we weren't gonna get eaten. But we
went outside and we weren't nervous. We're like, oh my god,
it could be around us at any time and stuff.
And all of a sudden, we just hear like boots
walking and there was just a pack of like five

(08:06):
or six guys walking in a little pack down the
street and we're like, oh man, we got to get
out of here to get to egg us. So we
got back at the house and we're just like, you know,
just being all scared and stuff, and here some like
rustling in the trees and stuff, and we just get
so scared, and then we hear a girl just shriek

(08:26):
and scream, and then that scared us enough. Bro We
ran back into that house. And maybe a minute or
so after we ran in, my cousin Tammy walks in
and she's just drenched in eggs that they egged her
her and her friends, and that's what we heard the
scream from. We were glad it wasn't the rude room,

(08:47):
but hey, it's still pretty bud of tammy.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
There's something about Louisiana at night time, certain places, especially
the closer you get to the swamp areas, and there's
just something, some kind of energy there that is spooky
as hell. I've spent many many nights in different places
around the country and none of them really spooked me

(09:13):
out as much as my entire childhood. Playing at night
in Louisiana is pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, it's just it has its like vortex of dark energy.
At the same time, you know, it's it's beautiful, it's
it's fun. It's a place where you could let your
head on it and have a good time. You eat
the best food in the country. Someone would say the
world can really enjoy yourself. And at the same time,
there's this mysticism everywhere reaches from the deep parts of

(09:43):
the swamp the off the coast. You have ghosts, you
have vampires, zombies, everything you could think of when it
comes to paranormal horror, it's in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
And there was something that we were discussing before we
started recording about the nature of living in Louisiana, and
that's hurricanes. This is something that is part of everyone's
lives as homes in Louisiana, and many people flat out
will refuse to leave or even temporarily relocate during a storm.

(10:19):
And there's a lot of trauma associated with Louisiana history
when it comes to these cyclical storms that sometimes destroyed
people's homes over and over again. And for me, that
added to some of the more dark feelings that I've

(10:40):
had and family members have had over the years just
from having their homes destroyed. And it adds to that
strange mystery of the state. And it's something that really
has stayed with me and been a source of somewhat trauma.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Of course, of course that all that each trauma, all
these and it's generational too, because it just happened often. Thankfully,
we haven't had one in a while. I mean, it's
bound to happen. I'm knocking on wood now, so you know,
it's it's destined. We know it's gonna Thankfully. With hurricanes,
you can kind of prepare for it, you know, but

(11:19):
still you just don't really know what it's gonna do.
Like for instance, this past one with Hurricane Ida, it
was the worst hurricane to ever hit the state of Louisiana.
It was very destructive, but New Orleans fared pretty well.
And when New Orleans does well, the country and the
medias tend to just turn away after that. But they
don't realize the areas outside of the city of New

(11:41):
Orleans suffer the most in every storm. No matter how
bad New Orleans gets hit, the people who suffer most
are outside of that city because of the low lying
areas and places like that. But yeah, that's where the
culture is.

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Speaker 3 (14:38):
You can open to Worlean sometime and really see the
culture anymore. It's been completely americanized. Not the real culture
is outside the city, and that really gets hit a
lot worse when these storms hit. I will say, and
I'll go on record that anybody who has the mentality
of oh you, this happens all the time, why don't
you just move? Why would you even live in a

(14:59):
place like that? You have a defeatis mentality, and I
probably wouldn't bewit you. But I know you're not like that, Chris.
I'm just talking in general to about it that's listening
that might think that. But it's home, you know, it's home.
It's a place where you grew up. It's your culture.
And a lot of people who say those things don't
have culture, so they can't really relate to that. But

(15:19):
it's something that is. It lies deep within you and
our people, our Cajun and Creole people have been resilient
throughout the course of archery. You know, nothing can really
stand in our way when it comes to achieving that
life of peace.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Something you said really stuck out to me in that
the real culture is in some of the places that
you go. That's really down south, that's in the swamps.
Closer you get to those, it's like the further from
what you understand as civilization. It can get strange, but
it's like a whole different country and it's unique and

(15:56):
it's different from anything that you could ever experience. The
peace are different, and the people are amazing, they're so
loving and accepting, but the culture, it's like it's a
different country for each Harrish that you go to.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's true, man, it's true. Just even our language that
we speak, I'm not a slanguage is cricketer in French.
You know, you grew up speaking a different language than
the rest of the country, you know, and I'm sure
you can tell my accent all of it. I'm not
even the worst one. Like they have people that have
way ticker accents than me. They make me sound, you know,
prim and proper. But it's just the food that we

(16:33):
have is just so fulfilling. It's just the most delicious
food you can have. And now it's not maybe not
the best for you health wise, you know, but it's
it's just another world, like you say, And.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
That's one more thing I want to touch on before
we get into some of the unexplained and weird and
high strangeness that occurs there is the food. This is
other than my family and friends. This is my favorite
part about going back to Louisiana is You're never gonna
find anything as delicious as And I'm not talking about

(17:09):
a restaurant in New Orleans or a low restaurant anywhere.
This is the food that grandma's cooking, that your aunt
and uncle's cooking, that just everyday ordinary people are making.
It's the best food that I've ever had in my
entire life. And I don't think anywhere anyone could ever
have touched.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
That, even like New Orleans is known through the world
is having the best food. But I'll say it's good
and it's great, but New Orleans don't even have the
best food in Louisiana. So that something. I mean, you
go out down to Bayo La Fus. You go to
places like the Balcony, sha Ameise, Mommy, Joe's, me, Maw's,

(17:48):
those kinds of places. That's Grandma cooking right there. When
you get the real culture, you get the real food.
New Orleans is great, fun time. Let you have dow,
go do whatever. There are a few places city in
New Orleans, and I'll talk about that on my Louisiana
Dread page, on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Patreon, the whole shebang.

(18:09):
I'll do gumbo reviews throughout the whole state. I'll stop
at these restaurants. And now I'm very specific. I don't
go to anybody's house. If you have the gall enough
to put gumbo at your restaurant, it needs to be
reviewed and raided. Yes, and I mean in the city
in New Orleans it gets atrociousious sometimes. Now they got

(18:34):
diamonds in the ruw, specifically three diamonds in the rough.
But again on all that on my channel, just go
check it out if you're interested in that. But Bayo
Lafouche has some of the best, if not the best,
in the state. Lafayette got some good ones New Iberia.
You know, it's hard to find a bad one in
the areas outside of New Orleans. It's hard to find
good one in the city.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
And a couple other things that can only be done right,
I believe in the state of Louisiana. First of all,
Marti Gras. You'll see attempted Marti Grass celebrations in places
like Tampa or Florida that try and capture the spirit,
but you're never going to have the same experience anywhere else,
especially if you're in New Orleans during Marty Gras and

(19:18):
they have another festival that's occurring that you were talking
about on right now, jazz Fest. These are two I
think staples of Leanna that everybody should at least check
out one.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Absolutely, And imitation is the most sincere form of flattery,
you know, so people always to duplicate what is working,
and even just that's just two things you name us
Festa and Marti Graus right now at the same time,
and after we get done with this interview, I'm going
to Festival International and Lafayette that's the biggest showcase and
of international talent in the state of Louisiana. And it's

(19:53):
such a fun event. You can see all these people
from everywhere from Ethioia to South America, in the France, Belgium, Senegal,
all over the world actually and they come give us
their music. It's just blissful. But Luiana is known for festivals,
my friend, any type of festival you could think of,

(20:13):
crawfish festival, catfish festival, rice festival, like, there's always some
kind of festival going on. Now's festival season. So it's
my favorite tim of yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right on.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, I definitely miss that as well, the festivals. And
that's also where you get to sample for Grandma's foods
that they bring to those festivals.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
And celebrations in general, they're put on in an all
out way that you don't own experience and where else,
and it's such a welcoming environment during these festivals.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, it's it's just something that I think people should
come to Louisiana specifically for Like, you plan whatever festival
you want to come to and you enjoy it. They
got the food booths obviously are amazing. You have to
call talents and stuff, and then after the festival's over,
you're out in the town. You hit the town, baby,
and you just enjoy yourself. There's so many things to

(21:10):
do and check out. Even Grand now has Island Strong
Music Festival. Now since I had to hit you know,
it's just been something that happens annually now and it's
a fun event and then you just get to kick
it on the island. You wan an Island in the
golf like it's paradise.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Now, let's talk about some of this folklore that you
are trying to remind people of and capture. Starting with
the different mythical creatures that have been passed down that
people still talk about and even have expenses with. And
there's one on the list you sent me that I've

(21:48):
never heard of, and that's the Grunch Monster. Tell us
about what this is for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
And even in the Louisiana Dread Horror anthology series, these
monsters get their own episode and you learn the lore
through watching the episode and then you get to see
this abomination well essentially the Grunch. There's two places that
people say that the Grunch originates from. One's a place

(22:14):
called Monts on the River and based on moss research
that's not as provable as in New Orleans East, it
was a place called the Grunch Road. It's right off
of Reed Boulevard now in New Orleans East.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
But.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Go all the way back. This is like late eighteen
early nineteen hundreds, and they used to have traveling circus
a lot more than like Barnman Bailey's that they do now.
I think it's only one thing that people go in.
It's a water down version of what it used to
be for good reason. I'm sure they're like abuse the
animals and that kind of stuff, but that's not even
the point here. But these Evelyn circuses will go around

(22:54):
the country, but they kind of faltered in popularity towards
the late eighteen or early nineteen hundreds. Now the animals
themselves go to zoos or they go into like little
sanctuaries or euthanized. Unfortunately, the lead performers they go on

(23:14):
to do like vaudeville acts and stuff throughout in the
big cities. But there's another section of the circus was
used as sideshow performers, or would most people derogatorily say
they call them freaks. It's just people with circus freaks.
You know. They made a whole season of American horror

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story and that's exacting. It's just people with birth defects
or deformities can join twins, all this kind of stuff,
and they had a very difficult time adjusting to life
after the circuses would basically go bankrupt. But the they
would be in these big cities and people would harass them.

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They would abuse them, throw things at them, things like that,
and sooner or later they all kind of got together
and they just left the big cities. Well, the one
in Moorlands specifically, would go to New Orleans East, all
wooded area, heavily dense woods and swamps. Again, it's all
before it all kind of was developed the way it

(24:18):
is today. Now it's completely all developed in that area.
But back in the day, it was just auks and
swamp and they lived their little community out there. But
people would actively go out of their way outside the
city and start abusing these people, just throwing rocks at them,
you know, harassing these people. And this is where the

(24:42):
story kind of deviate. There's basically twos of this, but
they both convene at the end to make Monster So
there's one instance that says that these sucial performers lived
in their little commu unity and they would just read

(25:02):
until this creature was born and it would protect the
ones that are left, and eventually they all died out
and stuff. Now, the other version says that these creatures
or sorry, the sideshow performers, used to pray to God

(25:23):
help them, but these people just kept getting harassed, so
they altered and they started calling out to the devil
to help them. And the devil showed up and he said,
in exchange for your souls, I will protect you how
you'll live a long life, but when you die, your

(25:43):
mind protect you in this life. They all signed an
agreement and this thing called a Grunch was formed, and
it was taken from the earth. It is half goat,
half man, and it is a beast of about six

(26:04):
feet tall, and essentially it just heat said on anyone
who would go out and to harass the side show performers. Now,
crazy thing is obviously it's like old big footage, right,
but it was footage that someone captured claimed to have
seen the Grunch right after Hurricane Katrina, and that was

(26:27):
the last sighting the Grunge. Monster because it's still pretty,
you know, wooded and swamp like a little bit past
little woods. If you're looking at a map, I'm looking
at what right now, you could tell it's very swampy
and stuff. But that's where they claimed that the grunch
Monster resided to after all these side showerformers passed away.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
And all these creatures you're describing, the Grunge, Bigfoot, even
ruga Aru are very similar in certain ways. So it's
possible that a lot of this folklore, some of these
creatures may actually have been witnessed, and it may be
the same thing just witnessed through differences in perspectives.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Right absolutely, And like even the Rugaru, it's something that existed.
These stories existed for hundreds and hundreds of years. But
it's a like caanthrope. And if I may I go
into the course that is the pilot episode of the
Louisiandread horror series is the Rugaru and how this lore

(27:32):
kind of came about. But the Rugaru essentially is a
like haanthrope, which is a werewolf, but unlike the werewolf,
it is a more of a shape shifter. It mostly
turns into a wolf like creature, but it could be anything.
It's a it's a human that is basically cursed, and

(27:54):
at night is when they transform into this beat of
beast with superhuman strength and agility, and it's just this
wolf like creature. But during the day, this person who
is cursed is a very feeble and weak individual. They're

(28:15):
very vulnerable during the day, but every night they'll turn
into this creature, this beast. Now, there's several ways that
you can turn into one. One of the most popular
ones is that if you break your linten penance for
seven years in a row, you will put into one.
So right, it's just a way to keep you catholic.

(28:39):
I mean, you don't want to turn into this thing.
A voodoo priestess or what we call treteur can put
this curse on you because again it is a curse.
People say, you know, oh, I'd love to be rug No,
it's all it's awful life because during the day you
are sickly and ill and miserable, and then at night
you turn this like to the super beast. But you
have a blood love, you have this you know, it's

(29:01):
an instable type of thing. Now again, you turn into
a rug aru through a curse. But unlike many of
the you can't kill it with a silver bullet. It's
not like your typical wearwolf. The only ways to kill
it are decapitating it or setting it on fire. The

(29:24):
only two ways to get rid of it. But one
way to protect yourself from it is at if you think,
if you ever all your listeners there, if you think
that there's a rugaru coming at you, I'm hearing to
tell you. The only way to protect yourself is at night,
you put thirteen coins or thirteen chicken bones, anything, but

(29:45):
it has to be thirteen out on your doorstep because
this thing cannot count to thirteen, as funny as that
may sound. It only knows one to twelve. So when
it sees another object, it gets confused and it doesn't
know how to count to that thirteen, So it restarts.
It starts from Wigan, and essentially it just keeps doing

(30:06):
that until the sun comes up and they have to
it has to leave and into the feeble old person. Now,
one crazy thing, Chris, that I found doing research is
that this has been going on obviously, like I said,
for centuries, and as the thing is is that whenever
the Cajuns the Acadians in eastern Canada. Canada Nova Scotia

(30:29):
runs would call that. For those of you who are
listening who aren't aware, there was something called the Grand Dadage,
which is the great, a great migration of people, as
they say, but it was a genocide. The English were
genocidal towards these French speakers in Canada and they took
these people and displaced them. But others in Canada was

(30:52):
through starvation, violence, mass graves, all this kind of stuff
would occur. But during that quote unquote great mind grasion,
a feeble, weak old man got on the boat and
he came down to Louisiana. And when he escaped, that
is when the Ruga Room came to Louisiana and infected

(31:15):
countless other people. Because if you are scratched or bitten
by a ruga room, you cannot tell anyone for a
year and a day that it happened, or you'll turn
into one. That's another way to turn into it. The
lore was so powerful that people were actually put on

(31:35):
trial or suspected of being a ruga room, very similar
to the witch trials and Salem. So people will put
on trials say no, this person's a ruga rut, this
kind of stuff, and they would be because children would
show up missing and they didn't know what it was,
and they were like, it's got to be this person.
This person's ruga all this kind of stuff. In fact, man,

(31:56):
there's this one court case is like right before the
Civil War. It was as God I was on trial
because there was two missing children and he was His
defense was that he was a ruga room and he
could not control his in ahibitions. He couldn't control he

(32:18):
was doing because he turned into this beast at night.
So yeah, he did do it, but it wasn't his
fault because he didn't have he didn't have control over himself.
So he was acquitted of that of kidnapping those kids,
but he was found guilty of being a ruga room,
so they decapitated him.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Holy shit, right, So like that itself.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Is ingrained in our culture and who we are as people.
You know, and those stories it's all over the place.
There's so many of those kind of type of stories.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
You now, speaking of those stories, have you heard of
any more recent accounts or in counters with any of
these types of beings that you've looked into are included
in your work.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Seeah several I had an email from this person in
West Louisiana, near a little bit north of Lake Charles,
between Lake Charles and De Ritter, and he claimed to
encounter a dog faced man or a wolf man type
of being. There was nuber one right outside in Saint

(33:29):
Landry Harrish that he saw the ruba room himself outdoor,
but he didn't go outside and his dog was barking,
and the dog ran into the woods and he never
saw the dog again. But another recent one is called
it was on Ellis Hills Ellis Hill phenomenon, where it

(33:50):
was this creature that was looked half goat half man,
kind of like the grun but that's obviously it's not
where a grunge goes. But it was a hooved creature
that followed this guy to his house after he sought
on a train track one time. And it's the amount

(34:10):
of stories we got out there.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
When it comes to the other types of possible creatures
that are spit in the swamps and rural areas of Louisiana,
I've heard of Bigfoot. Have you heard of the fifo
l A.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Oh, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm always confused about exactly what this is.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
What is the FIFA la.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
So it's it's kind of funny story. This is again
late eighteen, early nineteen hundreds. This guy, I'm not kidding.
His name was Will Smith. He was a black in
Lafayette Parish and he lived a pretty bad life. He

(34:58):
was a bad dude. And at the end of his
life he goes up to the pearly gates and apparently
Peter That gives him another chance and says, hey, look,
you get into heaven, bro. You did too many bastardly things,
so I'll give you another chance at life. So sends

(35:21):
old boy back down to Earth, and he lives a
life even more wicked than the last. So when he dies,
he automatic goes to the devil, and the devil says, yeah,
you know, you suck. That's why you're down here eventually.
But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna sing you
back up as a spirit, and you only have this,

(35:42):
and he gives him a piece of coal that's lit
on fire, and that's the only way he can live
his life in womps doomed to ever roam the swamps.
So if you at night, if you in the swamp,
at night and you see a glimmering light, don't go
to it because that's well will Smith come and say, hey,

(36:05):
you know, come into swamp. And then when you go
into the swamp and you end up drowning, get eaten
by an alligator, or you actually find him, and even
more stuff happens to you.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, the swamp has terrifying enough creatures without having to
go into the paranormal range. You got poisonous snakes, you
got alligators. And that's why not too many of my
friends or family that I grew up with ever really
went camping too much in the swamps of Louisiana, mainly
because it's just terrifying there at night. Man.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, there's the reason I don't go is because in
the mosquitoes.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh yeah, mosquitos are off.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
That's terrifying being an alligator any day, bro, any alligator
or does mosquitos a bait?

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Worse?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
They'll pick you Y's state, burn mosqitos you up, and
they bring you wherever you gotta go sometimes right on.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Now, another big part of of Louisiana folklore, and it
has a lot to do with interview with the Vampirepire
and Rise and popularity that that brought. But they do
have some real vampire folklore in stories that occurred long
before that was even popular, right.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Oh, absolutely, even like today. There is something called the
New Orleans Vampiric Association and there are between fifty to
fifty five individuals in this organization who legitimately identify as vampires.

(37:39):
They work night shift job. They mostly stay in the
French Quarter. They some of them have filed their teeth
down to be sharp. But from all that I've done
and people that I've spoken to, they get They drink
blood one hundred percent real blood from either animals or

(38:03):
willing consenting human donations. Some people who you know, kind
of get off to that. It's kind of like a fetish,
you know people, it's yeah, it's it's gross, you know,
to think about like that is just but hey, and again,
if you wanted these fifty fifty five people that's learned now,
it will come at me. I'm just trying to, you know,

(38:25):
get make people more aware about you, you know. But uh,
you know, they they stay out at night. Uh, they'll
go to the bars and stuff like that. They they're
just they're vampire people. I don't know how else to
describe it. It's just everything that you read about or
everything thinking about, with the exception of the superpowers, they're
they're doing it. They're during the blood of willing donors.

(38:47):
They do everything sterile, you know. They take the alcohol
wipe and they rub it on the end. They it's
blood donations, you know, and and they'll drink again. It
couldn't be me, but it's something that's our culture, our folklore,
you know, because van bar stories, that's some of the oldest,

(39:08):
you know, stories that pretty much exist out here. There's
some that Auguste La Grange was one that's in Lafayette
area in the Chapelai Basin. His house was in there,
and it took the teaming up of a Voodoo priest
and a Catholic priest to go out and from this guy.
You know, it does one story and I talk about

(39:30):
on the on the Louisiana Dread page. And then there's
the other ones like more famous Jacques Saint Germain, the
Carter Brothers, those type of stories. Uh that it blows
your mind when you really read about it and you
hear in these people these stories that just passed on
to generations and they're not all the same. It's it's fun,

(39:52):
you know, it's fun to really look them up and
see what they all are.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
You made the Carter Brothers get a little bit further
into what the Carter Brothers did and what they were about.
I was researching them for my film and I had
too much material to include the segment about vampires. So
tell us a little bit about some of those historical vampires,
like the Carter Brothers, for sure.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
And now that you mentioned it, man that the film
you did is great, you know, I love that. I
think we need more people. We do need more authentic
Louisiana content creators. Really, that's something that needs to be
and not just that what I'm doing, like the TikTok
and the YouTube stuff. We need to make actual documentaries,
to make actual feature length movies of these type of

(40:40):
things to bring Louisiana culture to the mainstream. But I
will the Carter brothers. They were essentially two brothers who
worked at the docks in the French Quarter. Now, all
the source founds say that they lived right off the
Decaying a little bit of the street above Decata. I
think it's charred, and they lived on the second story.

(41:06):
But one time the the police went to their house
because had calls of a disturbance essentially, but the Carter
Brothers weren't home. Police break in and they find seven
people tied up in chairs with restraints on, but they're

(41:29):
just getting their blood slowly drawn, but they are alive.
And essentially they were like, I don't know what you
would call them, but kind of like cows, you know,
they milk them. They were milk for their blood, essentially,
and it's just seven people who had been minked alive
on the most minimum of resources to keep themselves producing

(41:52):
blood for these two individuals. And while the police are there,
Carter Brothers show up and the police restrained and it
took packs of these police officers to restrain these two
average guys. And they they find them and they bind
them and they bring them to jail and try them.
And they were executed in Jackson Square. They were buried

(42:15):
in Saint Louis Cemetery number one, and the day after
the funeral, the undertakers just kind of walking around and
no Carter Brothers in the tombs. More than have gone.
The tombs are there, but the bodies are gone. Haven't
seen or heard of Rother since then.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, that is one of those stories that I'm shocked
it's not more prevalent and you don't hear more about
this because it's so incredible. And again it's one of
those that how we ever going to prove this, but
it is just such a great part of Louisiana folklore
when it comes to vampire culture.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think, oh, yeah, absolutely, it's awesome that like Jermaine
he was, yes, like you know, Dorian Gray type of figure.
You know, people say, just Saint Jermaine is still in
the French Quarter, just looking very different these days. You know,
there's a guy who's who claims to be Jacques Saint

(43:15):
Germaine in the French Quarter. I mean he's also screaming
about aliens on other days.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
You you go to the French Quarter and you can
meet some of the unique people who immerse themselves into
these characters. Are they crazy? Are they really?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
This person? Who knows? But it's entertaining for them, for.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Sure, it is. Yeah, and some of them are tour guides.
But yeah, again, a lot of the tour guides, I'm sorry,
but they don't know what they're talking about. I'm going
to past many tour guys in that French quarter, and
they'll tell the most ridiculous stories like Marie Leveaux and
Madam Loo or Rewhooks friends like that. No, that's true.

(44:04):
None of the things they say like that are true.
And that's why I even started the Louisiana Dread series
is to tell the actual stories so you don't have
to deal with that. You know, I know the ghost
stores are fun, but you could watch these videos for
free and go to the location and watch it yourself
and know what happened there. You don't have to listen
to somebody from no fans like Idaho talking about stuff

(44:24):
in Louisiana because they don't know.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
They just enough.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
And that's also wild what you're doing, because I've been
on many of these ghost tours and yeah, they're entertaining
at times, but the accuracy is not on par by
any stretch of the imagination, and it's embarrassing at times.
So a lot of our real folklore and street really

(44:53):
needs to be revived. And because you're doing things like that,
it's it really encourage more people like myself and others
to start doing that.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
We're seeing that more and.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
More and That's why I really enjoy the time period
we're in now when it comes to media and content creation,
is we're really leaving the realms of Hollywood and having
that dictateor entertainment to We're doing it ourselves, and that's
a great thing.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, something that needs to be done. I'm just tired
of Saved from Portland saying all kinds of stories that
aren't good. They're not good stories and they're not accurate stories.
If you tell the actual history and the actual stories
the way they are and have been told for generations,

(45:45):
it's way better than anything that somebody can come up
with off the top of their head. You know, I
don't care how much training you've gotten. It's just you
have to be immersed in ultra You have to kind
of grow up with hearing these tips things to really appreciate,
you know what it is tell these stories. You know,

(46:06):
you can't be somebody from wherever if he come here
in a week, you give tours.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
That's what happens.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
And a lot of tours that come here don't realize that.
You know, they're they're getting educated, or they're getting educated
I'll say by somebody who's not from here, and doesn't
even know how to say Bayet is right.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Oh man, I miss Begnes so much. Those are slas
When it comes to hauntings and paranormal this is another
big drawing aspect for what people understand about Louisiana culture,
especially with the plantations. Based on your own research and experiences,

(46:50):
are there any haunted locations that you would consider really
worth taking a look at in anywhere in Louisiana?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh man, I'm never going to the Myrtles Plantation.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I've been there, a lot.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Of people have. I'm not staying to night.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
There's there's a difference in my opinion anyway that's like, yeah,
you you can believe in this or you cannot believe
in this. But even if you don't believe in this,
do you really want to chance it? Type of And
I'm one of those people that won't chance anything. I'm
not gonna chance ship. I Am going to take everything

(47:26):
as it is told to me. And they're like, okay, man,
there's a ghost that's known to haunt this little hallway.
I'm like, got it not going down that hallway? You know,
regardless it's real, it's not. I've been told that it
is so I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna find
something else do so basically every place in especially in
the French Quarter, because regardless if you, like I said,

(47:48):
if you believe or not, something horrific happened at party
of these places, a grizzly murder, a you know, piece
of you know, violence that heard, and it's just bad energy,
regardless of how you believe in And it's just something
traumatic happened in a lot of these places. And especially

(48:09):
when you talk of things like plantation houses, the atrocities
that happen on those grounds. It's unfathomable during like Civil
War battle sides, war as hell, you know, people died
horrifically at these Civil War battle sides, you know, or
it's just a lot of negativity in there. So again

(48:31):
there's a there's a bunch of places. I mean, we
we've gone to several plantations to just tell the story
of the enslaved people that are there, because I feel
like those stories haven't been told enough. So I'll work
in tandem with the people who own the plantation now
and several researchers and stuff like Laura Plantation Fens since
they do a phenomenal job at telling the the creole

(48:53):
slave perspective of the life on that plantation, as well
as real owners and things like that. So I'm uh,
there's no shortage out of places in Louisiana that may
or may not be haunted.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
I was.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I did a video recently called the Burg Rose Highway,
which is a highway between a place called Burg and
a place called the Rose where I spent a lot
of my time growing up out on Baya Lafouche. And
there was a bunch of stories I heard growing up
about how the road itself was haunted. And it's kind
of a funny story too, because I gathered all the
stories up. I talked to a bunch of people in

(49:30):
the area and they said, you know, oh, my mom
used to tell me this. My mama told me that.
And I even did research on what was known as
the Satanic Panic and where everybody was. You know, Satan
was everywhere. He was in your kids cheerios on. I
gathered all that information up and I made this video
and I started posting it everywhere. And there was this

(49:51):
one lady from down to Bayo she will remain nameless.
She was like, there's there's only two places that's haunted
on the Baya, this place place, there's no place, no
place on the Burglar Rol's Highway that's haunted. Even my
mama started laughing that it was that it was haunted. Haha,
it's not haunted. I'm like, okay, Lay, I'm glad you
went to every single house on Bay A la Fouge

(50:13):
and now it has Karen's stamp of approval that it's
not haunted. Like, lady, you don't know anything about that
kind of stance. And who are you to say, you know,
you the pope, you came here and your bless in
every place. Like, no, we'll have different experiences and you
need to be accepting of that and appreciate it for

(50:34):
what it is. You don't have to believe it. Lady.
You could just shut up and enjoy the rod and
enjoy the story. But this is what people were saying.
Her and hermomo could laugh for all they want. It's
there's people that was saying that Burglar Rol's Highway was
haunted for a long time.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
It's very interesting what the large majority of people in
general have become aware that there are profound cans to
different types of what we consider paranormal activity, from everything
to ghosts and hauntings, to cryptids and even extraterrestrials psychic

(51:12):
phenomena telekinesis.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
All these things have.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Some sort of connection to each other, and there's this
seemingly unseen force that really dictates it all and connects everything.
What are your thoughts on what could possibly be and
how all these things have some sort of weird connection
to each other.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So I think that's a very good question, But I
think it's best to answer by looking at something that
is provable. Let's look into religion, right, Catholicism and Judahism
Voddhism are intertwined. They are very interconnected. The Catholic saints,

(51:59):
Voodoo gods very very similar type of thing. Now, in
the Voodoo faith, it's known that there are seven gateways
to the afterlife, to seven gateways of hell. In New
Orleans alone, there are about twenty one, or so I
might be grossly over or under exaggerating that number worldwide,

(52:23):
seven of them, the most in any place, is in
New Orleans. Most people think that it's in different the
different cemeteries and stuff. Others think it's like ones below
the or Sallying Convent, things like that. People have speculated
where it is because nobody's really found them. But in faith,
in the Voodoo faith, that is what people you know,

(52:44):
associate with as mostly those cemeteries and stuff like that.
So all I have to say is that it has
to be something very real for a faith to kind
of know to be saying this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
This is interesting, I've never heard this before. Based on
the Voodoo faith, they believe that there are actual gates
of hell within these cemeteries.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Now they're not all cemeteries, a lot of the locations. Yeah,
there are seven gateways to Hell, essentially for lack of
bedroom in the city of New Orleans. And that's you know,
people have been saying this for a minute, and it's
just something that gives you a little, you know, a

(53:35):
little we say fresson now when when you think stuff, So,
is there one big power or big entity kind of
dictating all this kind of stuff. It's funny you say
that because in the Louisiana Dread horror series, each individual
episode is its own standalone, but there's one constant in
each episode, and that is the host. There's a host

(53:58):
that guide you through these stories of horror and just
absolute atrocities. And he is a demon that brings you
on the ride, the Louisiana Louisiana demon, and he'll bring
you on a ride to all these stories, and he
will look very familiar to you when you see it.
So it's something that it's very intriguing to think that

(54:21):
all these things kind of have something in common.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
You can't really help it.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
The more you look and immerse yourself into some of
these things. I am different from you in the aspect
that I want to experience this. I will put myself
in the situation because I have already become so immersed
in all these types. For me, the only way for
me to understand is to experience it. And I've done

(54:51):
that through everything from meditation, going stay at the Myrtles
plant medicines, just putting myself into these consciousness situations that
might create something that people would consider paranormal. And I've
ended up having many unexplained experiences. But I've come to

(55:13):
the conclusion that the one thing that does connect everything
is our mind, is our consciousness. And I think that
this phenomenon, whether it's UFOs or aliens or Bigfoot, has
a profound connection to what we are as at our
source and how our consciousness is connected to everything else.

(55:35):
That's currently where I'm at with my understanding. But it
always changes, and there's always something new that happens that
gets me thinking in a different way. So that's why
I keep doing this, and I'm always going to be
interested in the paranormal.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
That's why I like you, Chris, because you are one
and apparently it's very few people in this country who
can actually change their minds and their opinions on something
when something new happens. Because something news happen all the time.
Change is imminent and you have to be able to adapt.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
And you do that.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
You know, things happen, it's like oh wow, okay, well
that's a new experience. I'll take that and process it.
You know. That's what you got to do. And that's
what That's how people become successful is they're adapted. They're adaptable.
That's essentially you got to do if you come into Louisiana,
because it's going to be different from what you normally are,
what your normal culture is, what you're used to. You're

(56:35):
going to experience some difference and change and you have
to accept that, have to be accepting of it, and
you have to embrace.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
It that one hundred percent. Man.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
And this is again such important work that you're doing.
I think that everyone from every state that they're from
should jokay something that is unique about where they're from,
because that's how we learn about each other's culture, about
this entire country is from each other's experiences.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
So this is great. Now.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
One thing I want to spend time on for the
last few minutes is I covered a little bit about
the Native American. What is understood is Native American mounds
that are found throughout our country, but the most unique
found in Louisiana Poverty Point, and of course the ones

(57:31):
at LSU campus, which have recently been found to be
very ancient. And our understanding of these is changing the
more we come up with information and the more is
learned about them that they're probably a lot older than
we think and part of a lot more advanced civilization

(57:51):
than we could have ever realized. Have you done any
research into the mounds?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yes, I did, not, specifically Poverty Point, because there's better
minds working at those obviously, but recently we're from the
video in Plaquemine, Louisiana. Shout out to my people in Placumin.
There's a mound, there's the Plaquemine Mounds not far from that,
as part of the Plackmen culture. And what I find

(58:19):
unique about that is because yes, we are finding more
and more stuff that dates these people back thousands of
years and yes, the skeptics out there, it's thousands with
a t thousands of years ago. There's people in the
comments that Christian wouldn't believe the amount of flat earths
of all this kind of stuff, moon landing denials, all
these kind of stuff that come into the comments section,

(58:41):
and just it's quite comical.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
So keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I think it's hilarious. But the thing is is like
these people existed and and whatever what we usually think
of as tribes would be stationary, except with the exception
of trade. After the nomadic lifestyle that they would live,

(59:05):
they would go and they would make little settlements and stuff,
and they would trade with most other kind of stuff.
But the Plaquemin people, the way they set up their animation,
I'll say, is they had main city centers that were
most are their high chieftains, their slaves, and their nobility

(59:28):
people with more wealth. Those were the only people in
their city. Centers, so they weren't necessarily big like we're thinking,
like to no Chatlan and all this kind of stuff,
and instead they had little what we would think of
as hamlets or little villages spread out throughout the entire
region that they occupied where they would grow corn. And

(59:50):
corn was their main food source and it was such
an impactful resource to them that their their art, their pottery,
their draw everything was in shapes of corn. That's how
you know, archaeologists really determined that that's how much they
relied on the corn is because they made their their

(01:00:11):
their ceramics and stuff in shapes of corn and things
like that. But what also is very interesting about the
Plaquemin people, and I won't be too long here, but
essentially the the line of secession was matriarch. It was
the same thing as in Europe, but in Europe it

(01:00:32):
was the patriarchy in terms of your you're the king
as a man, and your son is going to take over,
but in the Plaquemn culture it was maternal. The The
problem is it's an inherent issue with this because as
generations would go by, the the center of power would

(01:00:54):
shift and you would essentially lose the capital to an
other location fuddle of this general area would shift and
big power struggles between between these different villages and stuff
like that, which is very interesting. Of course, that's just
literally the tip of the iceberg for these people. I'd

(01:01:17):
highly recommend you people, if you're listening, do a lot
more reading up on the Plaquemine culture that your funct
the culture, the Coles Creek culture, the Marksville culture, as
well as the different more well known i'll say, tribes
like the Kushata, the Homas, the tackle Paws, those type
of tribes choktaws, choppatulas. Read up a lot more on that.

(01:01:39):
Because we're making videos obviously, but I love when people
watch my videos. Don't get me wrong, it's great. But
I always encourage people to do their own reading and
their own research. So really fully grasp but we're trying
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I love it, man, this is great. I love what
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Kyle.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
One more time before we close out, remind every one
where they can find all your work, and I'll also
have links to it in the description.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
It man, Kyle, Thank you so much. We'll definitely have
to talk again in the future. Much more we could discuss.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
We'll talk again tomorrow. We'll see out in today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I want to welcome back to the show Dean McMurray.
He is a twenty four year Army veteran working as
a spiritual medium. He contacts departed loved ones, angels, and
spirit guides by connecting the earthplane and spirit realm. As
a clairvoyant, he receives visions of people, places, and things
of the past, present and future. His Claire Sentient gifts

(01:03:55):
means he can also receive psychic senses including smell, taste,
and touch, and as an impath, he takes on the
sensations of the physical and emotional states of being.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Dean, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
How you doing, hey, Chris, thanks for having me back on.
I'm doing great, Thanks so much for coming back on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Looking forward to this, we're going to once again discuss
some of the work that utilizes your intuitive consciousness abilities
aka psychic abilities. And nowadays terms like psychic or intuitive
abilities are becoming more accepted and more widely accepted, even

(01:04:34):
in some scientific fields. So it's a very interesting time
we've entered into and I want to get your your
thoughts into that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
But we're going to be discussing some of the work you're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Doing, like house clearing, spirit communication, and much more.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
But before we get into any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Like you were saying earlier, it has been a while
since you've been on. Remind the audience a little bit
about yourself and your work.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Well, I am known as the military medium. It's more
of a moniker of my my twenty four years in
the military. But then I had an experience in the
last three years of military service that pushed me into
the you know, in the in the paranormal frying pan,
so to speak. And I went on, I guess, a

(01:05:26):
journey of trying to figure out what it meant. And
this is where my grand deceased grandmother came to visit me,
and you know, and it I uncovered the ability that
or I should say discovered the ability or remembered would
be an act more accurate word that I'm a medium,

(01:05:46):
and the ability to communicate and with those that have
crossed over and as well as on that, you know,
you go to down deeper on other rabbit holes, and
I picked up other modalities such as dowsing and other things,
and so yeah, and that's been like, wow, spent like

(01:06:08):
thirteen years that I've been on this journey. It seems
just like yesterday. But a lot of people think, well,
you retired, did you, you know, did you go on
to work for the post office or whatever? And I
was actually going to work for the local BA, but
as the universe would have it, I started doing this

(01:06:31):
full time and it was a very natural direction to take.
And so that's that's that's where I am today. It's
it's taken me, I mean, to a lot of crazy
cool places and I've gotten to meet folks like yourself
and other folks across the world, and so I'm very

(01:06:54):
grateful of everything that I've experienced thus far and everything
that is yet to come. And so yeah, that's a
little bit about me. I know, that's kind of a
very very down and dirty explanation, but thirty second around
the world. But that's a little about who I am.

(01:07:17):
I grew up in northern Minnesota. I'm just a small
town kid, you know, went off in the military, and
then all of a sudden, hey, you'r a medium. It's
like really, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Before you had that experience with your grandmother, you were
actually on a tour of duty and had sort of
this intuitive experience that might have been kind of a
glimpse into the future of your abilities.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Right, Yeah, but I wasn't a believer in all this stuff,
and I wasn't aware of this. And this is because
the only reason you know, in the past that I've
brought these stories up on your show and others is
because I kept a journal, and some of these things
still stay with me today. But yeah, you know, I
was deployed to Afghanistan way back when, and you know,

(01:08:06):
there were very much paranormal encounters, disembodied voices, strange lights
in the distance that were not military related, nor that
were they civilian things that you cannot explain away, you know,
and so you know it at that time, it was

(01:08:28):
just like, what what's going on? And then you know, afterwards,
stepping into my own spiritual journey looking back or remembering back,
going holy shit, like remember back in Afghanistan or remember back?
I mean even when I was doing normal duty here

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at home for the military, sitting in an office, having
experiences of deceased soldiers walk in the door, I mean,
you know, completely blowing your mind, going what's going on?
And so you know, trying to get answers to those things.
And I think so many people are in similar circumstances.

(01:09:15):
They may not be exactly, but be like yeah, you know,
I've had manifestations all the time, or I've seen odd
lights in the sky, or I've seen you know, heard
voices or but you got to remember, I came from
a very much black and white world, you know, the military.

(01:09:36):
I was in that frame of mind. It didn't I
wasn't a believer of all things paranormal. I grew up
in a very traditional religious household, you know, And so
it's I knew there was something more, but didn't really
know what that more was, you know, whether it was
God or consciousness or higher sense of being or you know.

(01:10:00):
And so the aspect when I started stepping into this
of going, wait a minute, we have psychic capabilities. Wait
a minute, we can talk to dead people. You know,
what else can we do? And so in that, you know,
and beyond Chris, beyond the and I think years down
the road after I became you know, started really embracing

(01:10:24):
my mediumship abilities. I started going, you know, talking to
dead people's cool, I mean, and dowsing and shifting energy.
But I was like, if we can do that, what
else can we do? You know, Taking the curiosity of
what I say, the six year old little boy that

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you know, I think I've tried to put myself in
that mind frame of exploring and like what else can
I do? Can I fly? You know? And so because
we say sky's a limit, well what is so? What
is that? And so trying to explore every avenue. So

(01:11:07):
whether it's so whether we're talking about aliens or where
we're talking about telekinesis, or we're talking about shifting energy
within our reality that we know as you know, for
us to augment our life in our business, like how

(01:11:29):
can I use these abilities? You know? It's kind of
like the uh, the three D version of Superman, right
that wakes up and goes, holy shit, I get powers?
Like what the hell am I supposed to do with
these damn powers? It's like, you know, would I make
coffee with it? You know? Like so kind of like

(01:11:49):
the joking term of trying to figure out come into
your own of how you can use your abilities to
augment your life and not only your life but the
lives of people around you and accentuate it, like could
you leverage business and whatever you do to get an

(01:12:12):
edge on the competition? Could you you know, in theory,
could you make more money? You know? And I'm here
to tell you you can, because if you're listening to
your intuition, you already have an edge over the competition.
And oh, by the way, and I know we're going
to get into discussion, but you know, there's a lot

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of corporations that use psychics. They you know, hello, I'm
one of them. So you know, organizations that may not
tell you that they hire psychics or intuitives or to
give them. And we think about the history of that.

(01:12:53):
I just think this is so fascinating. There's so many
shows out there, but history tells us that you know
that there has always been if you had a king
or royal family or some type of power entity, there
has always been some spiritual consultant I'll call them. And

(01:13:18):
so whether it's their wizard or their profit or whatever
label you want to give them, I don't care. Is
there has always been somebody to give them foresight, trying
to give them foresight into the into the future, whether
how the battle will go, or if the families should

(01:13:40):
merge in order to make more power, more money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
You know, have a daughter or son field.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yes, absolutely, to continue on, you know, to continue on
the crown, right, these these different things like this and
this continued goes on, and this is going on for centuries,
and so you know, really if anybody's listening to this,
it should be no shock to anybody. But it's you know,

(01:14:10):
like with anything else. And I know this sounds so corny,
but it truly is is with great abilities come great responsibilities.
And because people that sit in a power seat that
are asking for the information, they'll start asking for more
because they want to take that edge beyond and you know,

(01:14:34):
and I'll just throw out the little ethics thing. It's
really up to us anybody that is providing that information too,
you know, because we're hopefully we're not getting beheaded now, right,
you know, it's like if you're not providing the information,
so we have to sometimes we have to draw the
ethical line. I've had to do that with some organization

(01:14:57):
owners and be like, no, I can't do that. That's
an or that's immoral. Or sometimes because they're not thinking,
they're thinking completely from ego, they're not thinking from their heart,
and it's like it's fine to get information, it's like
what information is completely ego based and where you're where
they're trying to triumph or and so to try to

(01:15:21):
limit that power so to speak of. So you know,
it can go both ways. Somebody could be doing it
for ill purposes and other people could be, you know,
doing it for trying to bring good to the world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
It's like I said earlier, I think society is becoming
more open to some of these concepts, especially consciousness and
intuitive abilities. We're starting to see it in different ways,
especially since there's a little bit more interest from the
scientific and academic communities. We're seeing more studies into this.

(01:15:56):
And it's a very interesting time because in twenty twenty
it was very probably in a bad state of mind.
I was very confused about everything that was happening. Is
at the end of the world? Are we gonna be
put in concentration camps? And now fast forward to now,
I'm like, oh, we're just growing up, That's all it is.

(01:16:16):
We're realizing some things and we're growing up. So how
much our perspectives can change in such a short period
of time, especially in such a chaotic time, Really, how
do you feel about how everything has progressed and how
people's awarenesses are coming along?

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
And then things like that.

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You know I as difficult as the last four years
truly has been I mean for some people. I mean
it truly was it. You know, it still is. But
you know, when I look at it, I try to
look at I try to be optimistic with everything, but
I am real I am a realist at times, and

(01:19:43):
because I don't want to be all like, oh, it's
you know, unicorn, unicorn sparkles and fairy dust. You know,
it's like he can't you know, it's not reality, And
so sometimes it's just a quite honestly, sometimes it's a
shit show and just here to eat the popcorn and watch.
You know, it's like, oh my god. But at the

(01:20:04):
other times we can see the beauty and the chaotic
parts and with all the change. Uh, looking looking at it,
I was like, you know, there was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
A lot of old.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Processes. There was a lot of old things that would
have never changed. Yeah, if it were not for COVID,
And I was like, yes, as terrible as it was,
I get it, but if it wasn't for the world
shutting down basically, which was a blessing truly. I know
it caused a lot of issues, but it was there

(01:20:42):
was a lot of blessings that came out of that.
And the other aspect of where you know, we wouldn't
have some platforms, we wouldn't have some new processes. I mean,
look what it did for and I know it messed
some things up, but look what it did for businesses.

(01:21:05):
Good and bad. You can you can go either side,
but I mean it really made people think differently. It
made people think out of the box.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
I think it's making people less reliant on daddy government
and willing to do things for themselves like we've been
needing to do for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Ops. Absolutely, so, I mean it's created it's created some issues.
I'm not going to say that it's that, you know,
everything's roses, but I'm what I'm trying to say, I
guess is that the beautiful things that it has brought about.
But yeah, change number one is for sure. I mean,

(01:21:47):
obviously that's a blind psych is going to tell you that, right, Chris.
So that the beautiful thing is is change. As painful
as it is, change is good and change is necessary.
As a species, we have to change in order to survive.
I mean, our species has been around for you know,

(01:22:09):
a long time, and so you know, to continue to
evolve and to go through these things. And regardless of
who's involved in covid or who did what or regardless
it happened. And so this this event in time now

(01:22:31):
it's part of our timeline is like okay, well, you know,
or regardless of what's coming up, like we you know,
we neither either to adapt and survive or not. And
we've come through a lot of shit in our evolution.

(01:22:53):
So you know, from the periods of not being eaten
by dinosaurs or whatever the hell like, obviously we finigured
something out along the way and continued. Not all of
us got beheaded during you know, like you know, not
all of us got dysentery, and you know what I'm saying.
So we figured something out along the way, and so

(01:23:15):
I think it's change is inevitable. But I think as
a species where you know, we come out, we figure
it out. But going back to the aspect of the intuitive,
the two can I even speak today intuitiveness, the the
you know, coming into this period of awareness and making

(01:23:37):
it okay to talk about psychic abilities and aliens and
things that are typically not talked about. But because of
you know, we talked a little bit too, Chris about
you know, you were talking a little bit about things

(01:23:57):
becoming more awareness, right and we talked off air a
little bit about your you know, your your documentaries and
where that is and and and I think about in
the time since we've been on UH or that I've
been on your program, since I've had many conversations with

(01:24:19):
several producers about you know, potential projects and just some
of the concepts that they're coming up with about you know,
trying to tie I think people are trying to tie
the scientific aspect a little bit more into you know,
trying to show the validity of And it really gave

(01:24:41):
me a bit of encouragement. Of course, you know, there's
always when you're talking with producers, there's usually there's the
holily woodness I call it, you know, And I'm like,
I don't know, that's you're trying to make it more,
you know. They they love to fluff it up, right,
They love the drama. They love to scare people, and
they you know, and I'm like, I'm just a you know,

(01:25:02):
Midwest kids. You know, I don't. I'm not the drama
drama queen, right, and so, but the aspect is is
that there. I think the the mind frame, the mindset
is in there, and I think people are starting to
if they're not already doing it. There's more and more

(01:25:24):
people looking towards that, trying to merge the two and say,
you know what, I science is really starting to catch up.
They're starting to understand more and to quantify and validate
what psychics and profits and you know, people that are

(01:25:44):
getting premonitions and intuitive and psychic you know, insight have
been for centuries, and all of a sudden, science is
being like, oh my god, like, you know, there there
is something, there is something to this, and now where
they're they're quantifying it with scientific data, which I think

(01:26:06):
is kind of cool. I you know, not that I'm
a scientific nerve by any means, but I think it's
kind of cool when they're able to even when I
do joint investigations with with my you know, the anybody
that does paranormal you know, paranormal team friends and and
their technology. I'm I love technology and I love how

(01:26:30):
it works. And so when you know, when I go
do my mediumship thing, I am the technology, Like I
go in and you know, do my thing. But I
I think it's kind of fun when the technology, you know,
when you're you know, you're validating each other, and it's
like yep, yeah, you know, so it's kind of it's
kind of fun to watch that and just to see

(01:26:52):
how that works. I would be interested. And this is
because AI is so you know, relevant today and it's
getting more and more. It's actually getting a bit alarming, right,
it's growing. But anything new is sometimes scary. But I
would be interested if AI and if it could validate anything,

(01:27:19):
if AI could somehow tap into maybe the psychic consciousness
or the whatever, the universal knowledge. Right, So when we
and then you know, so it's kind of interesting like
where where will that be? Where? Where will that evolve?

(01:27:40):
And it's kind of interesting because you know, most people
I've even played with a chat GPT and some of
the other apps have played around with that and it's
you know, really kind of you know, mind blowing. It's
like wow, you know what it can do with words,
But you know what where technolog today, where we are today,

(01:28:03):
how will that evolve? Just given five years, ten years,
where you know, where will we be? And not only
as group consciousness, as a as a species. As you know,
you talk about awareness and you know, just being aware
of everything and making it okay to talk about things,

(01:28:23):
but but also with technology and how that science and
the the paranormal, the you know, whatever you want to
call it. I call it the holistic you know, I
give it the holistic umbrella. Yeah, you know everything I
put all that under that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
It's a supernatural soup.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
Yes, yes, absolutely, a good, good, good analogy. I love
that supernatural soup. Yeah, because you just throw everything in it. Right,
It's like, what do you want? It's got a little
bit of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
I think it's all connected, you know. In fact, this
is what my current that I'm making is about. It's
the connections between near death experiences, shamanic journeys, dream states,
contact experiences, and synchronicities and how they all form our
human experience. Because I believe this is what really makes
up the human experience. And once you become aware of

(01:29:17):
these things, you can actually start to form your own
experience in ways that are pretty incredible, things like manifestation.
And that's I was talking with another guest about this.
This is another term that used to be so woo
woo and mystical and people wouldn't touch it with a
ten foot pole. And now it's like, maybe there's something
to this, right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Right, Yeah, Well for sure, and you know, a lot
of people don't even realize that you create. You truly do.
And when you really get down, when you have your
own experience, you understand it even deeper. But you truly
do create your own reality. And you know, and I

(01:30:00):
always give this example to my students when we talk
about creating your own reality, and I said everybody I think,
I said, everybody's different. How when you say that conjures
up an image or whatever in your mind. However, when
you think about it like this, it a little bit different.
So if you have two people and one is always

(01:30:24):
woe is me? Everything sucks? I lost my job, Like
everything is just always you know, uh, drama town, right,
everything is terrible. They're just they're not in a happy mood.
It's always like what was it, Winnie the pool? It's
the Igor, right, It's like, oh, you know, like I

(01:30:44):
always just you know, I always say like a whiny bitch, right,
so you know, so, but always always finding something to
complain about. And so you can have a sunny day,
Oh it's too hot out here, oh god, and it's
like really we had like two weeks with rain and
or whatever the case is. And then you have the

(01:31:07):
other person that is generally always happy, trying to find
something at least something to be happy for, even in
a shitty situation, and so trying to turn you know,
trying to turn that frount upside out. Maybe I'm not
saying overly bubbly, you get those people too, but just

(01:31:28):
trying to stay positive because they know that when you
are in a positive frame of mind typically not always,
not one hundred percent, but ninety eight percent or might
be in that high percentile, that you're going to have
more positive experiences versus the person that is always in

(01:31:52):
a shitty frame of mind or depressed or sad, they're
going to have more sad experience. You're manifesting, you are
on a track, you put yourself there, and a lot
of people say, well, no, that's because so and so
did this to me that and you can't control and

(01:32:13):
then and then goes back to the old adage of
you can't control what other people do to you, but
you can control what how you respond. And so somebody
can say and it's happened to me before even doing
this work, is people have said some very ugly things
to me. And you know, I'm human, I have I

(01:32:34):
do have an ego, and I will admit that, and
it's hurt. And I was like, you know what, I
feel that, but I'm not going to let it ruin me.
I'm not going to let it. And you know, quite honestly,
I looked at it and I used it. I chose
to use it at few as fuel. And I was like,
thank you for validating that I'm being seen, thank you

(01:33:00):
for revalidating that I need to continue what I'm doing.
Because obviously if I was doing nothing, nobody would try
to poke fond or whatever. Right, they wouldn't. There would
be no trolls, right, And I was like, so thank
you for the validation that tells me that I need
to ego even harder, even farther. And so I chose

(01:33:23):
to use it as fuel. See that was a personal choice.
I kind of went, oh my god, what am I doing?
They're right, what you know? And that's everybody. And so
we're creating every day our reality and we don't even
realize it half the time, but you know, when we
become more aware of our self and our awareness. But so,

(01:33:45):
you know, I get off on a tangent, but you know,
getting getting the aspect of you know, how powerful we
are and in that aspect, and so I just think
it's cool. I get excited about that stuff because I'm I.
Most people don't even realize it, and they they want
to argue no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
And I was like, yeah, yeah, everything is perspective. It's
all about how you are looking at the world of
your own life. Now, I want to get into some
of the work that you do, starting with the house clearing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
How did you get involved with this?

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Oh man? So that was going back in my early development.
Actually it was I hadn't even taken a mediumship class yet,
and I actually had just kind of figured out that
I was a medium. I was looking at taking a
mediumship class with a well known medium in my area

(01:34:43):
and another psychic, the one that I had. I was
jokingly referring to her as the voodoo Chick because that
was my verbiage for her at the time, and you know,
and she did very well known for dowsing and cleansings,
and and she was doing a dousing class and if
you think of dousing, the old water, witching with el

(01:35:05):
rods and the old school way, and my wife and
I actually decided to take a class, and it was
more in her urging, but I was like, oh, that
sounds kind of cool. I think I saw it on
Discovery or something, you know, about water witching, and I
was like, that would be cool. And so when I

(01:35:26):
did it focused more on homes and about the energy.
And one of the things that really fascinated me Chris
was you know, understanding and and and I of course
I went on to read and study Beyond Class because
I found it fascinating. But the natural earth energies like

(01:35:50):
Leylan's and Heartman lines and you know, if anybody wants
to research any of this, the not only the Canadian
there's a there's a great old school. I think even
a PDF booklet out there. Can't remember if it's a
Canadian association or an American association of dowsers. And you know,

(01:36:12):
some of these old old timers that are probably in
their eighties or nineties now created this and where they
you know, this natural earth energy. They figured out, you know,
this grid grid system we you know talk about and
it's nothing new. Dowsing is an ancient, ancient art of

(01:36:33):
locating and shifting energies. There's well known documented cases of
the Egyptians using it. In a fact, when we talk
about different natural Earth energies and maybe some of you
have watched you know, Ancient Aliens or some of these

(01:36:54):
other shows. They talk about the energy lines and where
some of these key features on Earth are actually lined
up when they traced it, you know, they put it
in a computer model and it all would focus on
and the idea was is that the original pyramids were
all would harness energy. Right, It's this big generator reactor.

(01:37:17):
Whatever they did right, stuff would grow crazy, people would
be healed. And it sounds pretty finetic or fantastic. It's
like they would talk about make all these claims right.
And so it was kind of in and I found
it interesting. I just found it wow that you know,
if that really, you know, if ancient civilizations could do

(01:37:39):
crazy stuff, like what could we do? And so when
I got into dousing that I had a lot of
cool experiences, but again I focused on holmes and when
we would figure out that, you know, kind of get
a pre how do I want to say, a pre

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work up so to speak of talking with the homeowner
or whomever is having the homework done or wants the
homework on, like what's going on with the home, what
are you? What are the intentions, and maybe it's just
my kids aren't sleeping, or me and my husband are fighting,
or my dog or cat keeps on peen in a

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certain area, or the We keep on replacing appliances, major
appliances in the home, but it keeps on burning out.
We can never seem to the lights in a certain
room or whatever always burn out. Now, one thing I'll
say is, of course, any homeowner or anybody is always

(01:38:44):
going to do the logical, have your wiring and all
that checked right, They're going to do that, you know,
get do the check mark of the logical, you know, assessment.
But I'll tell you one a crazy story talking about energy.
So there was a we were doing i think a

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dowsing the house or having shifting energy someway with dowsing,
and it was particularly heavy. And this is on our
current house, and give everybody a little picture of it.
It's a more of a four excuse me, a four
level split. And in the family room, you know, there's

(01:39:30):
a couple of lights whatever. And one of the things
after we doused was it was like somebody was playing
with the light switch. It was crazy. It just started
like strobing and then all of a sudden it went out,
and then all of a sudden, the light fixture was
like you heard a welding arc like bzzm, and smoke started.

(01:39:52):
I was like, holy shit, And of course me, I
you know, made sure the light was off, ran got
the ladder, pulled it down, and I was concerned that
it was going to start a fire because and so
I'm ripping the you know, the light down, and what happened.
I can't figure out what arct. Obviously light bulbs go

(01:40:13):
out all the time. But for whatever reason, something within
a wiring. And we actually had electrician afterwards come out
and test it and just to make sure. But everything
was fine. And this had been many years after we
had moved into our home, and you know, there was

(01:40:36):
nothing wrong with the wiring. It was was energy and
it was such a big surge of energy going through
the home that for whatever reason there was a it
must have been a weakness or something, but it arked
to the other you know, aspect of where it was
the light was wired, and it completely fried the ballasts

(01:40:58):
in this light and I had I had it ripped out.
I actually clipped the wires because I was concerned and
and I was like, holy crap and when you look
at it looks, you know, just it's all fried. And
I was like, that was kind of freaky. So I
know that when you're when you're able to shift dirt

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different negative energies within the home, crazy things happen. You know,
there are studies that have been done. Not Europe is
really big on dallasine and they have been doing it
obviously for centuries. And there's one that really intrigues me.

(01:41:40):
Since I'm in the Midwest and actually in uh North Dakota,
of course we're you know, surrounded by farm fields and
actually in the Red River Valley where I live, we're
actually some of the most fertile farm country you know,
arguably in the country, and some of the best soil

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for growing. And one of the things that intrigue me
is in Europe they were building these natural stone towers
with different minerals and different things to basically douse a
farm field. So you think of what goes into to farming, right,

(01:42:25):
So you know, they got a tillet and then they fertilize,
they put nitrogen, and they put all these chemicals and
different things. Because there are in basis species of weeds,
there's all these you know different uh, you know, aphids
and different bugs and things that get on our food,
and they want the highest return to the bushel, right,

(01:42:47):
so they make money. That's a you know, farmer's farm
to make money, and they want a high yield, that's
you know, good crop and uh. In Europe there has
been studies where they erect these natural stone towers and
essentially what that is doing is it not only accentuates

(01:43:10):
the energy within the field and it grows, they get
a bigger yield, but it also repels you know, their
pasts are kind of like electric culture, different weed. It
might be I'm not familiar with that term, but it's
very you know, it could be very friends.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
That are doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
They're taking sticks to wooden sticks, and they're attaching this
copper wire to the top, putting it in the ground,
in the soil, and it hornesses this energy.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Yeah, well it's it's running through the earth. So yeah,
I guess I didn't I haven't heard of that term,
but yeah, essentially yes, and what yeah, what it's doing.
And they had wrecked a few of these, so the
same idea, right, So whatever or minerals they would have
in the ground, they evidently they didn't. I don't. I

(01:44:04):
don't know if they had copper right they give even
the specifications, but they would they'd be tall as hell.
And it was one of the things that we were
always interests and we have a lot of friends that
are farmers, and we were like, hey, would you ever
be you know, I really wanted to do it one
year like experiment of saying I'd totally do the work

(01:44:27):
for free. Just think of the application. If a dowser
think of this, think about how much it costs for
application of fertilizer, and then think about how the application
of where they have their their plants sprayed for whatever. Right,

(01:44:48):
so they come in with either you know, the planes
or drones now or even the tractors that are spraying it.
And we're talking thousands, thousands the dollars they pay per
acre to have this done. And I was like, God,
you know, that would be really cool. And actually I

(01:45:09):
was talking to my wife about this. I said, it
would be really cool to work on a crop if
because I know certain seed manufacturers they do a test plot, right,
They'll do like an acre and then if you've ever driven,
maybe they do it in other states too, where they
do a lot of farming. But here in North Dakota,
you'll drive by and you'll see all this crop and

(01:45:30):
all of a sudden you'll see all these seed signs
and it's right by the and that is a test plot,
and so they keep it separate and where they seed
it with a specific seed just to see the yield
and to see that if it's you know, good or not.
And you know so and my thought was, wouldn't that

(01:45:51):
be cool to show the application of dowsing a crop
of going what does the soil need? We can energetically
input that in If it needs more phosphorus, we can
do that, if it needs more whatever. So we're listening
to the earth energy, right you know, the other aspect

(01:46:15):
of you know, shifting and adjusting the energy the way
then it needs to. You know, what happens like here
we are in North Dakota was a very it's a
drought year. We're into a dre We you know, we're
going going into planting season right now in a drought.
And how can you accentuate that? You know, can I

(01:46:36):
make it rain? You know, I don't know, I've never
tried to. Maybe maybe we could also get rid of
cloud seating. Wouldn't that be cool? You know, So there's
a lot of applications to dowsing. But going back, I
keep on getting into spiritual eighty eight. But you know
where where I was taught how to shift the energy

(01:46:59):
within a home to make it more to feel more welcoming,
so you're not arguing, so the kids are, so you
and the kids are sleeping, or we've also found like
where people for many years sit or sleep in a
certain area and there is a crossing of negative energies

(01:47:21):
for whatever reason, and the people end up getting like
a cancerous cyst or whatever in that particular area. There's
been studies done on that. There's been studies, believe it
or not, Chris is that there's been studies that where

(01:47:44):
you can douse and reduce levels of raidon, I mean,
applications go endless. And that's where it took me to
when we started doing it. We actually, you know, we're
doing it for friends and family and just doing the home,
you know, just to make them feel more loving, more welcoming,

(01:48:05):
all that great stuff. And we people were like, hey,
have you ever done it to sell a home? And
we were like, well, not specifically, but you know, why not, Like,
you know, why wouldn't it Why wouldn't you, like you're
you're making your home appear nice or you know, you
clean up your home and everything to stage it to

(01:48:27):
sell it, but why wouldn't you make it feel welcoming
to other people? And so we started doing that and
what we noticed was every home that we did that
for sold quicker. And I was like, you know, you
kind of go hmm, And so we did that. It

(01:48:49):
came up to our old home and we were like, well,
no brainer, We're going to do our own home. And
it listed the one day that the next day they
had to open. Hell, they had to offer that day,
and we accepted it. And that was we're talking, you know,
thirteen fourteen years ago and way before the COVID housing bubble. Yeah,

(01:49:13):
and so you know it there presented an opportunity to go,
you know, and we were I was getting ready to
do this full time. And when I did that, it
was the aspect of going, what tools do I bring
to the table, and beyond being a medium and a
psychic and going, you know, who else could benefit from this?

(01:49:36):
And is this something that you know as a business owner,
is it something that would be a legitimate value to somebody,
and so I still remember it. I did a really
ugly brochure. I didn't even know how to explain it
because I'm like, I felt like I was going, you know,
on paper, and I was like, I don't know what

(01:49:58):
to say, Like some people don't know what dowising is,
and you know, and I was doing a poor explanation,
but basically shifting, I you know, basically the idea was
to shift to move the home quicker. And I was like,
who could benefit from that? And the first thing that
popped in my head was relators and you know, like, hey,

(01:50:19):
realators are working with homes every day, and lo and behold,
the universe was working, you know, already. And I had
a lady who reached out to me and she is
has been a long time realtor and I didn't know it,

(01:50:40):
but the whole party, because she was wanting to book
me as a medium for a private im home party.
What the whole party was full of realators. Hello, realators
have relator friends, and you know, they like to party
in network and all that great stuff. So and though,
you know, and she had a bunch of her friends

(01:51:02):
that are very much spiritual minded and so hey, wouldn't
it be fun to have a medium? And it just
so happened that I was like, well, I'm bringing my
I'm bringing my ugly brochure with and you know, we'll
talk about at the end of the deal. And so
I did the you know, the private event, and at

(01:51:26):
the end, I just kind of said, oh, by the way,
I am starting up a new service if anybody feels guided,
and I basically explained what was the idea premise behind it,
and the host or the hostess, i should say, said

(01:51:47):
how much is that for a year? And I said,
you know it gave her the price and she said, well,
I would just and I wasn't expecting anything, I was,
quite honestly, and she said, can I just write you
a check right now? And I was flabbergat. I almost
couldn't speak. She said, I'll write you one check for
the event to pay you and for your services for

(01:52:10):
the entire year. We'll just take care of it right now.
Nice And I was like, uhh yeah, oh yeah, okay.
It's like you know, like in grade school, like asking
out a girl, you know, okay, you know, and I
was just like completely dump on. I was like dummy.
I was like, of course she offered, because the universe

(01:52:32):
was already working with you. But that start, and she good, lord,
have we been the same I'm trying to think. I
think it's been twelve years now that we've been working
together doing that. It was a service that started. Yeah,
And then and then of course word of mouth. Of

(01:52:52):
course you always use, you know, as you provide, like
anything any industry, you start providing that you and then
of course you always say, you know, hey, if you
feel guided, I would really appreciate if you would, you know,
share your experience with others. And you know, I'm always

(01:53:13):
looking for more clients, and so of course realtors, no realtors.
And next thing, you know, I had a full caseload
of working on listings for realatures and so you know,
I kind of coined the term. And I don't know
if I'm the first one to do so or not,

(01:53:33):
but I started calling it intuitive real estate consulting. And
I was like, because I was using not only my
abilities as a dowser, but as a medium and a psychic,
and because a lot of times I found myself you know,
one day I might be working on the client themselves
because we are our business and if they are having

(01:53:55):
a shitty day, their business is having a shitty day
just because they're trying to, I don't know, move that
beautiful home down a mocking bird lane with the ugly
shade carpet. You know, like, you know, you can't do
nothing about the shake carpet, but you can make it
so where it's not the focal point of the of

(01:54:17):
the of the home. And so it's kind of interesting.
That brings up a lot of ethical points and different
things that I had to navigate and and really get
clear as I went on. But you know, just to
give everybody a background, I have no background in real estate.
I have I have been learning lots in that timeframe,
but I never went to real estate school. I never

(01:54:39):
went you know, and never became a member of the
real estate association or anything. And but you know, I
just really set ethics and boundaries with my clients and
saying it's up to you to you know, it's it's
it's on you because you're the direct connection to talk

(01:55:01):
with your clients that hey, I got a guy that
does you know that'll work on your home energetically. Are
you okay with that? Because every home that I work
on that is not the realators personally, I ask, am
I allowed to work on this ethically? And Morley en,
if I get a know I'm texting or emailing that

(01:55:23):
realator backs in. I either you didn't talk to them
or they're not okay with it. And nine times out
of ten, the the client or the homeowner is not
okay with it. And I'm like, that's why I ask.
And then I'm like, well, I can't work on that one,
and so I just set it off to the side.
So I always make sure that I'm doing the right thing.

(01:55:46):
Sometimes the realtors they just want shit sold. And you know,
quite honestly, I've also worked interesting enough to Chris is
that I also ended up working with because working with realators,
I ended up working with a custom home designer where
they developers, right, and it's that's a different world too,

(01:56:09):
because they go in and they will buy a section
of land and they will create a whole subdivision and
it's fascinating stuff. And so you know, I ended up
working with the owner of this company and then also
the sales director separately, and you know, so here I'm

(01:56:33):
working with realtors, the sales and the and you know
this director, the owner of the the you know, the development.
And it's kind of interesting because they're in business to
make money too. And but the thing is is sometimes
it's interesting that we have to remind them, or at

(01:56:57):
least we have to be the moral stopping block, because
they get in this grinding mind frame of I just
got to get shit built, I got to get ships.
Now I got to get it sold, right, and because
they're sitting on this brand new home that you know,
they just spent however much money to build it, you know,

(01:57:19):
and now they want to sell it. And you know,
the thing is is that there's a moral and ethical
aspect to everything. And so, yeah, a lot sometimes you
have that kind of and I'm like, am I doing
more of counseling. Not that I can say that I'm
a counselor, but I'm like, am I you know, it's
like I feel sometimes more like a mother and it's like,

(01:57:42):
now I can't do that, you know, It's like that's
that's unethical or immoral or or a violation of spiritual
what I consider like a spiritual my spiritual board. I
you know, I won't do something.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
That's so interesting if you consider that everything is energy,
and I never looked at the possibility that a whole
neighborhood setup or housing project could have certain pieces of
it that would be heavily affected by dark energies.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
Oh dude, let me tell you a quick story. So
I had a sales director from that organization reach out
to me. He goes, he goes, I have a we
have quite a few listings in the subdivision in the
western part of our state because they were kind of
spread out where they had homes. And he was like,

(01:58:39):
they're not moving. We've reduced them greatly, we've and they're beautiful,
homes are brand new, like they're still like mud and
dirt in the you know, landandscaping being done, and these
are beautiful homes. And he's like, I don't know what's
going on, Like there should be no reason. And so

(01:59:00):
I started doing my deal. And so in North Dakota, well,
I mean really all over the country there. I mean,
we have some really diverse history in our country. It's
just beautiful and just so interesting in the Dakota's North

(01:59:21):
Dakota where I am, and especially in the eastern side
of the state in the Red River Valley, and also
in the western part of the state, we had and
we still do, a tremendous influence of the Native American culture.
And we had some very of course, we know that

(01:59:42):
in South Dakota we had and in North Dakota we
had some very bloody skirmishes, you know, But also in
that we just had a lot of not only just
Native Americans living, you know, in their and in various
tribe locations throughout the state, and also the white settler

(02:00:08):
coming in and setting up these towns all across the state,
right And in kind of a little history lesson, that's
why a lot of little towns in North Dakota sprang up,
not only because of the railroad, but because of the settlers.
And when it came to the guard in the military,

(02:00:28):
I learned that when I came to the state. But
long story short, what we found was in that area
in the western part of the state that they were
having a hard time selling these homes that they were
they were building on sacred ground. So if you think
of Native American and it was non documented, I mean,

(02:00:51):
you think about where you're, where you're wherever you live,
if you live in an apartment complex. So everybody listening
at right now, think about where you're living. So I
don't care if you're living in downtown Chicago, if you're
living you know, like me kind of you know, in
the suburb whatever, right so or way out in the country.

(02:01:14):
I don't care where you live. Think in your mind,
you know, like the time traveler machine, go back in
time and think about or just pontificate what might have
been in your building location before the building was there.
Like sky's a limit, right. My house is in the
back of a farm that was originally even though we're

(02:01:37):
in the city limits of Fargo, which is not a
huge city but like not quite two hundred thousand. But
the thing is is that the farm was encompassed many
many acres and there was a lot of things that
happened on or around the farm. So, but down the road,

(02:01:59):
if we don't have that documented and it isn't protected,
guess what that land is again eventually get sold off.
It's going to get parceled up, and it's going to
be developed for housing. And if something is not done correctly,
then guess what. And people are not going to feel

(02:02:19):
welcome because of all the spirits or all the or
or the energy or something feels at rest. And so
there was another one in the northern part of the state.
There was a home that wasn't selling, and I kept
on going, God, there's something about trash at your house.
I said, is there you know, trying to talk with

(02:02:41):
and he goes, you know, way in the pack they
had quite a bit of acreage. It was a reclaimed
dump literally, so you think of a landfill, what do
they do with it when it's to its capacities?

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Bury it?

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
There is EPA standards that they reclaim it in over
a number of years, they cap it, they put in
methane pipes, and then they plant it and see it
and let it re goo back to and and so,
and then they develop on top of it. Isn't that
some crazy shit? And I was like, well, no, wonder

(02:03:18):
your thing and so even though it was very much
safe or you know whatever, but I was like, it
totally makes sense. And I was like, no, wonder, nobody wants,
you know. And so once we are able to establish
that and you know, shift the energy around in a
positive manner that's harmonious to everybody, then finally it's sold.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Now real quick, how would you shift that type of
energy that is basically something that's buried under the ground
that still has this residual physical effect.

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
So you can't get rid of the you can't get
rid of the dump. You know, it's just physically impossible,
just like I can't get rid of a blue shade
carpet in a house. Reality that happens a lot. However,
what I can do, and again I go back to
a moral and ethical way of going, Well, that's pretty

(02:04:15):
shitty that a developer would do that anyways, but there
are that they would think that that's okay. But the
aspect of going okay to you know, the kind of
put it in the disclaimer energetically but also create in
a sense, I'm trying to remember what I did for that.

(02:04:37):
I think I created an energetic bubble of trying to
like like remove or separate that energy from the home
or anything feeling the ill effects of that when it

(02:05:01):
comes to that home or any of the inhabitants of
that home. So it was kind of interesting. It was
a really one that we all had at scratching our heads.
And it's the same. I also when I do a
home as well, I put in you know, I google it,
you know, I look at the pictures that are online.

(02:05:22):
But also what I do is I pull it up
on Google Maps. And one of the reasons that I
do that is a lot of times too, Chris, is
that you think of these bigger towns or whatever, I
look for pot lines. Have you ever been in a subdivision?
I don't know how it is in Colorado, but sometimes
you get these monstrosity, these big metal power lines. Right,

(02:05:44):
they're ginormous. They're twenty thirty foot at the base and
they're just ginormous. Right, But then they'll go right through
a subdivision and the homes are almost like or the
backyard essentially is right underneath that. Well, holy shit, don't
you think that these power stations, these transmission lines, there

(02:06:09):
was a residual energy coming off that. So you know,
So the first thing that I always do with in
the homes that that that are in that scenario is
I always identified I'll actually print off photos and I'll
actually circle the power lines that I'm like, okay, power

(02:06:32):
line there, plower line there. Man made water features, different
things that they're messing with, uh, you know, different terrain
features and different things, even though it's beautiful to look at,
and they make things it's they're shifting the the energy pattern.

(02:06:55):
They're also you know, substations and different things. Businesses that
have all these auxiliary power you know, I mean think
about the grid work of man made power lines under
the where you know, our infrastructure, right utilities, and it

(02:07:16):
is jacking up. I mean we you know, do we
need it in modern society, yes, but we also have
to be aware that there's natural energy going on and
then man made and that's where it causes the issue
because then it gets all squarely. We got negative vortexes,
we got negative curry lines and negative apartment lines, and

(02:07:38):
everything just gets all jacked up, and people are complaining
of you know, headaches and you know, different things, and
it's like, well, no, wonder like what's around your phone?
And that's one of the first things that I look
And you know, the other thing that I look at, too,

(02:07:59):
is when I look at itto online. You know, it's
usually the first thing, Hey, I need help selling one
two three crab tree lane and I'll pull it up
and if I see if it's by a river or
maybe it's very wooded. We have one I called it
the Wizard of Oz House because the trees. Remember that

(02:08:19):
the was it the wicked forest or whatever. It all
looks scary. The set looked, you know, and that's all
these trees. I was like, oh my god, look at
the trees and they were all funky. There's a there's
a very cool study done on where negative energy runs

(02:08:42):
or different energy lines, and if trees are growing in
that area, how twisted. I mean, they'll look like they're
they got like arthritis or something. They're just completely like
wicked looking, and it's just like, what is going on
with your trees? And nobody thinks of it because they're

(02:09:05):
just like, oh, that's so unique, and it's like normally
most trees, you know, I get it. There's you know,
there's anomalies to everything. But I mean, you know, there
was a lot and I was like, there's something going
on with the land. Sometimes it's a house, you know,
sometimes you do get and I know that you've heard

(02:09:25):
a lot of these stories too, Chris of you know,
there could be somebody that passed away in the homes.
So then you get home spirits attached to the structure.
Some of these old historic homes, you know, very common
and you know, we wonder why certain homes always come
up for sale again and again and again. There was

(02:09:49):
actually where we're going to do a show on why
this you know, I know there's been a few spin offs,
but we were actually looking at doing a show about,
you know, finding these real, real life homes that historical

(02:10:09):
homes that are come up for sale again and again
again and looking at the history and you can do
it yourself anytime, like, oh, there's that home again on
the corner, Like how long does somebody live there before
it comes and sale? Again? Why is that? Like you
see a young couple moving in and think, oh, that's cool,

(02:10:30):
you know, like they're stritting their life together or whatever.
And then next thing, you know, maybe two years down
the road they're selling it, like that's weird. And then
maybe the next couple move in and maybe it's four years,
five years, whatever. But it's like a cycle. What's going on?
Is it something to do with the land? Is it
something to do with the house? Is there spirits attached

(02:10:51):
to the land or the house? Is it the energy?
You know, yeah, I get it. We all move for
different reasons, but it's you know, so it's kind of
fascinating and when you look energetically into it. Energy affects everything,
not just homes, and then over recent years not to

(02:11:12):
stick just on homes. But then I was like, you know,
I think I'm really limitating myself because not only yes,
can I shift energy and homes and been doing so
for a lot of years with a lot of clients
and really literally around the world. I worked on some
land for a client in Costa Rica and I actually

(02:11:34):
joke with her. I said, you know, on a professional level,
I think I need to do an on site visit.
And because it was rained on the ocean, and I
was like, oh my god, we I need to do
an on site visit to get a clear picture and
you know, completely business right off right, and you know,

(02:11:54):
of course just joking, but yet again not but but
you know, it was interesting because she wanted to sell it,
and was interesting in that one because it was connected
to her X and so sometimes there will be emotional ties,
there will be all kinds of stuff, and so there's

(02:12:15):
not just one clear cut.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
That's what I wanted to spend the last few minutes
that we have is the different types of energies, mainly
the ones that we could create ourselves with our own
psychic energy, negative energy arguing, and it seems like these
energies could then to have this form of intelligence of
its own at times.

Speaker 4 (02:12:38):
Right well, right, so you know, the aspect of it grows, right,
so you think of, you know, the old adage of
cancer likes sugar or things that feed other things, right
the host and so you know, negative energy loves anything

(02:12:59):
negative or like fear or anger, things that feed it.
So if you are always arguing or you know, it's
going to spin off other things and it's going to
start manifesting things. So things are going to start breaking down.
And again we talked earlier in the show about you

(02:13:20):
can manifest your reality. So if somebody is always in
a terrible mood, then you know, we start seeing things
around them manifest maybe their kids are acting a certain way,
maybe their spouse, you know, different things like that, so
you know, and you might not even be aware of it,

(02:13:44):
you know. And and the vice versa is for you know,
people that are generally more happier positive. So yeah, so
I would share is that you're you're literally creating your
own reality, of your own bubble. But it's kind of
interesting in that aspect, is because when I took the

(02:14:08):
you know, as I said, the real estate, intuitive real
estate consulting. I took it beyond that, and Chris and
one of the things that I was like, why am
I just limiting this to real estate. I started finding
myself working with utility companies and other things, and I
was like, why am I not just calling it intuitive consulting?

(02:14:32):
And so a lot of times when people ask me
what I do, I say, well, private consulting, because it's
true and because I'm you know, But if I get
into the weeds of it, am I tapping into all
my abilities as a as a medium, as a psychic,
as a douser. I bring all my soup, as you
called it, paranormal soup. I bring my soup every time

(02:14:53):
I show up in my toolbox to help the client
and whatever they're dealing with. It can be anything getting
more jobs, selling more homes. It could be so it
doesn't have to be a real estate brokerage or a
real estate agent. You know, it could be I've worked
with grandmas and pilots.

Speaker 1 (02:15:13):
And now one thing that I love to close on.
Have you experienced now, I know you've experienced this working
with individuals, but have you experienced anything non human in
homes or locations and I'm talking something that maybe he
never even was human.

Speaker 4 (02:15:34):
Yeah. So I think we talked about this many years ago.
But I was actually called in, you know, early on
in my dowsing experience for a gentleman. He was a
Vietnam bactern, just a blue collar guy for what I
would say a routine He lived in an apartment, but for
routine dowsing. He was like, is this Are you the

(02:15:56):
medium dude and psych? Yeah? And he was like I
understand that you cleanse homes or whatever. And I was like, yes, sir,
And he was like, well, I got some weird shit
going on. I need to come over and look at it.
I was like, all right, I'll come over and so.
And I thought it was just going to be a
routine thing, and so I went over. He was explaining

(02:16:18):
when he was experiencing with spirits and this that I
gave him a bit of a reading because I was
getting stuff. I did a cleansing. I left. When I left,
things got worse for him, which sometimes it does because
you stir up like hornet's nests, but then typically it
calms down. But it was getting worse. And what happened

(02:16:41):
Long story short, because I know we're in the tail
end of this. But basically what we found out was
is that he was possessed by a reptilian entity and
it turned from a hole cleansing turning into basically a

(02:17:04):
exorcism of a reptilian entity. And because it was where
and how do I know that it was reptilian? It
was because nothing was working that I traditionally do and
it was really freaking me out and it was only
getting worse for him. And I reached out to a
mentor and he goes, Dean, next time you're with him,

(02:17:25):
I want you to look him in the eyes, you know,
and when you're doing your work. And he goes, and
I was like, what am I looking for? And he goes,
You'll know when you see it. And I was guided
not by my mentor at the time, but just by
my intuition to get a couple tuning porks and they're
tuned to the I forget what frequency, but more DNA,

(02:17:48):
and so I actually felt guided to use those on
him on either side. In a sense, it was so weird,
because you know, it was almost like shifted this, you know,
kind of like shifted this reality, if you will, so
where I could see its true self. And when I

(02:18:12):
did that, his eyes turned from normal pupils to reptiling
pupils and I was like, holy shit, there I saw it. It
was like, you know, just like yeah, and I was
like I saw it, and I was like, now what.
And then so through a series of learning what to
do when you're dealing with that stuff, because that then

(02:18:34):
then it just come completely shifted gears to something else,
you know, was uh was was really educational number one,
but yeah, it was. It was the only time that
was truly a bit freaky at times but perplexing. But
I learned so much and but yeah, it uh, you know,

(02:18:57):
there are sometimes there are things that are beyond us,
that are you know, and I would even dare to say,
Chris that you know, even when you're dealing with you know,
people that are deceased, that are connected, that are that
is not of this world, it's it's of the next,
you know, realm. And whether it's alien in nature or

(02:19:18):
whether it's spirit, or whether it's dark energy, you know,
whether it's positive or negative energy. You know, I've dealt
with some stuff that is really nasty, and you think
of shit that is really just you know, it's it's dark,
dark energy, and you know.

Speaker 1 (02:19:36):
It's like an entire reality just beyond our perception that's
teeming with life.

Speaker 4 (02:19:40):
Oh man it Oh yeah, and it is so vast.
It's like just when you think. I'm always very cautious
about saying that I know and you know, because it's
like just when you have it all figured out, the
universe going, yeah, watch this ship, and then it gives
you a new experience and it's like holy shit, like

(02:20:00):
you learn something new. But the thing is that, yeah,
it's so vast, and there's so many things that we
still don't know, that we still don't quite understand and
we're still learning. But yeah, there's so much there. I
just know enough. I always say, I just know enough
to be dangerous. But the aspect of going, you know,

(02:20:24):
to to offer people that are in need in our
reality to you know, whether it's home cleansings or you know,
the intuitive consulting or you know, being a medium or whatever.
But yeah, being kind of like a retainer, a concierge psychic.

(02:20:45):
Maybe that's the new term. You guys ever watched maybe
the series on is it Suits or or the Sweet
Life or it's not Sweet Life, but it's not suits either,
but I can't even remember. But oh, Royal Pain, that's
the series on Netflix. But the concierge doctor principle in
a posh part of town. But you know, why not
take your abilities if maybe you do what you do

(02:21:07):
for the paranormal aspect and turn it so where you can,
you know, provide for yourself, but not only that, provide
a valuable service to others. And that's but you know,
I've always maintained, Chris that since day one, it's helping others,
you know, one message at a time, and you know,

(02:21:31):
whether that's through dowsing or whatever. And that's what I
stay with. And you know, so I love it, Man,
show up, I go where I'm ask So.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
I love it. Awesome information.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
There's so much more that we need to get to,
so we'll be back on soon enough. Before you go,
remind the audience how they can find you, contact you,
how they can get a hold of all your stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:21:56):
Yeah, for sure. So if you want to get a
hold of me, just go over my website Dean McMurray
dot com or the militarymedium dot com. You can also
find me on just about every social media platforms. At
the Military Medium, just search for me, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, whatever,

(02:22:17):
just also YouTube, whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:22:20):
Checkerfect Deane. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:22:22):
We will definitely be doing this again and until next time, everyone,
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