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Today, I want to welcome back to the show Randall
Carlson and Matthew Lacroix. Randall Carlson is a master builder
and architectural designer, teacher, geometrician, geomathologist, geological explorer, and independent scholar.
He has nearly five decades of study, research and exploration

(02:17):
into the interface between ancient mysteries and modern science. He
has been an active Freemason for forty three years and
is a past master of one of the oldest largest
Masonic lodges in Georgia. His work incorporates ancient mythology, astronomy,
earth science, paleontology, symbolism, sacred geometry and architecture, geomancy, and

(02:41):
other arcane and scientific traditions. Matthew Lacroix is a passionate
writer and researcher who grew up exploring the outdoors of
Northern New England. After college, he began studying ancient civilizations, philosophy,
quantum mechanics, and history. His focus became uncovering and connecting

(03:02):
the esoteric teachings from the secret societies and ancient cultures
that disappeared long ago. He is author of two books
and a writer and researcher at Gaya. He is currently
co writing his third major book with Billy Carson, entitled
The Epic of Humanity. Randall and Matthew welcome. How are you,

(03:24):
gentlemen doing.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well. I can't speak for Matt, but it seems it
would appear that he's doing quite well. I am as well,
So I'm fired up for a good conversation and yeah,
so what are we doing you want to talk about?
I'm looking forward to seeing what Matt has to present tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm going to be presenting some data because Randall and
I are data driven people and I'm very, very excited
to be here. Chris, thank you so much for hosting this.
I just want to say that Randall, it's truly an
honor to speak to you to the highest degree. You're
one of the greatest inspirations that led me on this path.
So to be able to have a discussion with you
is truly an honor tonight.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, thanks, matt I do appreciate that. Yes, what can
I say, I'm humbled, That's all.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
What I can say is this discussion is going to
be epic. Like Matthew said, he's going to be presenting
his data in theories on some of the things that
could have caused the disappearance of advanced megalithic civilizations in
the cyclical cataclysms that may have been connected with the
massive resets of our past. Now, this information may differ

(04:38):
a bit from Randall's theories, and we're definitely going to
get his thoughts and insights into that information, and I'm
going to be asking some questions along the way that
I have as well. I'm extremely excited for this, and
like I said earlier, I'm ready to have my brain
melted out of my ears. So, without further ado, I'm

(04:58):
going to turn this part of the discussion over to Matthew. Matthew,
where do you want to start with this tonight?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, maybe we can talk about some of the new
things going on, because I think Randold's got a lot
of exciting things happening and I have some pretty exciting
things happening too. That sounds good coming along here, I
guess I'll I'll start since you you pointed to me,
and then I would love to hear what what Randall's doing.
So I'm gonna be going down to Peru and Bolivia.
The trip is already booked at the at the end

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of July to with Billy Carson to meet up with
Brian Forster and do a megalithic tour of the major
sites in in Peru, you know, uh Machu, Picchu, saskawman
oy A, t Tombo, and Cusco, of course, and then
we're gonna get into Bolivia and visit Tiwanaku and Puma
Pumku in the in the Lake Titi Kaka area, and

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we're gonna do a number of different shows and get
a whole bunch of footage and really just point out
the very distinctive differences between the truly megalithics sophisticated blocks
on the lowermost level of these structures versus the more
earlier h as we think of the classical inca that
build on top with more mortar and uh mortar and

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more primitive uh primitive sophistications so I'm really excited about
that and I and I also just want to briefly
mention Billy Carson and I are going to be releasing
a book soon that's going to be it's called The
Epic of Humanity that's going to go through this alternate
timeline how far back our story goes, presenting as many
ancient writings from around the world as we can to

(06:30):
piece together our lost story. And then I just one
more thing to just mention is that the book after
that is going to be the greatest project that I've
ever taken on, and it's going to deal directly with
what we're going to be discussing tonight. And that book,
which is going to really delve into physics and it's
going to really take me to some areas that are
going to challenge me. Is going to be called The

(06:51):
Dead Star in the Fall of Civilizations, and we'll get
into that as we go along. But it's great to
be here, guys. I'm really excited.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Awesome, Thank you you met Randall. What you got coming up?
Anything interesting you'd like to discuss?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, okay, well, uh sure. I'm headed out to Washington
State on Friday and I'm going to be participating in
the filming of a major to one episode of a
major documentary series, which I don't think they want me
to talk about it yet for some reason. But anyways,

(07:27):
that's going to be cool, and shortly in the near
future we will be able to talk about it, and
hopefully it'll be seen by a few people. It's gonna
we're getting into some yeah this on this particular episcope episode,
we're going to be exploring the great Floodlands of the
Pacific Northwest, and then I'm then I'm going to be

(07:51):
meeting with some of the leading citizens of the town
of Soap Lake, Washington. We have been running tours out
of there, even tours right through the pandemic, teaching, taking
people out in the field and teaching them the principles
of paleohydrology and recognition of catastrophe catastrophically created landscapes. And

(08:17):
so essentially what I'm doing is putting together I guess
you could call it a curriculum where I take people
out and to the best of my knowledge, and of
course I'm still learning. There's lots more gaps to be filled,
but what I'm doing is essentially trying to teach people
a language, and this is the language that is written
in the cipher or alphabet of the rocks of the

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landscapes around us. And the premise, the working premise of
it is that for twelve to thirteen thousand years, there
has been this story that has been engraved into the
surface of the Earth. And for the last ten eleven
thousand years, we have been two limited in the scale

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of our thinking and our observation to be able to
perceive that there is this story literally literally engraved into
the surface of our planet. And so the story is
written in the alphabet of catastrophism in effect. So what

(09:22):
I'm trying to do now is to inspire people to
learn about being able to read this story, to read
the script. So that's a big part of what I'm
what I'm up to. I will be doing well. I
got a tour coming up in a few weeks that
will be headed out to some of the some archaeological
and geological sites in Arizona. And we have got we've

(09:48):
kind of gotten within our networks some interesting people. Bertram Savadawa,
who is a hopey storyteller, is going to be our
guide one day. We've got Cleeve and I can't quite
pronounce his last name, so I'll just say his name
is Cleeve. He's Zuni, and he's going to be taking
us to some places, you know, ancient pueblo and sites.

(10:12):
So it's going to be a mix of archaeology and geology.
But then that week of exploration out into the high
desert country is going to be bookmarked by two weekends
where we're bringing together I think a really interesting mix
of people out myself, I'll of course be there, and
then Graham Hancock will be there. This will be the

(10:34):
weekend of Easter and Sidona, Arizona. If you're familiar with Sadona,
beautiful place. I've had some people tell me, hey, this
is one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen.
And I've been all over the world, but yeah, so
it's in beautiful Sidona, Arizona. And if you guys know
who George Howard is, George Howard was. He's the creator

(10:56):
of the Cosmic Tusk website, which is probably the best
site online for diving in specifically to younger, dryest information
impact related information. He was also the co author of
that seminal two thousand and seven paper that first proposed

(11:17):
at the mass extinction of the megaphone remains. The lower, younger,
dryest boundary was associated with impact proxies, and so there
have been multiple teams. I think at this point it's
overwhelmingly confirmed that there was some kind of an impact.

(11:37):
But it's such a thing that what can I say.
It's so varied in its fingerprints that it left behind
that I'm even thinking that it's more than just it's
not a single impact of a single homogeneous species of
impactor that in fact, I'm thinking it was more along

(11:57):
the lines of an impact epoch. That was one of
the triggers, one of the trigger Now there have been
more because what we're also beginning to understand now is
that the whole Solar system operates as a system, and
so a lot of these things that are happening, say,
for example, the flux of material that's the inner Solar

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system is ultimately most of it is. If it's not
being slung slingshot back out into space, it's going to
get swept up by the planets, but most likely the Sun.
And what the Solar observation satellites are now revealing to
us is that the infall of cosmic matter into the
Sun seems to be intimately related to the heli heliospheric response,

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that there may be a connection between the infall of
cosmic matter and coronal mass ejection, solar storms and so on,
which to me becomes a very interesting adds a whole
new wrinkle to thinking about this. And then ultimate we
have to go to the galactic level, because if we
assume that the wort cloud in the Kuyper Disk have

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some basis in reality, and I think that there's enough
evidence to suggest that some model of massive reservoir of
comets exists in a cloud, and if you have perturbations
caused by nearby events, which could be anything from perhaps
a galactic core explosion a' lla Paul l' violette, or

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a nova star, maybe just a random you know, I
don't know, even an encounter with a black hole. There
could be any number of possibilities that would cause the
disruption of the very fragile stability of this sphere of
material that's out there, sending the stuff cascading down towards

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the Sun with a whole array of secondary consequences which
include not only Earth, the Moon, Mars, probably the Sun.
And so we have to start thinking in these larger
term scale and how all of these pieces fit together.
So that's what I've been kind of doing thinking along
those lines in Sidona. Basically, what we're going to be

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doing is we're going to be looking at I'm using
it since it's Easter. I thought an appropriate theme might
be the Holy Grail, because you know the Holy Grail.
Remember if you know the Christianized version. I don't know
if you guys have studied into the Grail stories. If not,
you should, you should. But the Grail stories are pretty

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much all a product of this one epoch, which was
the late twelve hundred early thirteen hundreds, and every story
is varied in very peculiar, idiosyncratic ways. But you have
to go through systematically through the different stories and realize
that there it's like the old proverb, the Indian proverb
about the five blind men and the elephant. You remember that,

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where they're trying to figure out what kind of a
creature it is, and one of them is feeling that
the leg and the big the big pill, Oh it's
a pillar. Somebody else has got the tail, somebody else's
got the ear, somebody else's got the trunk, and they're
all describing these different things, but they're really just describing
the same thing. Well, it's kind of like that. That's
a good metaphor for the way the Grail stories are

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set up. They describe different points of view of what's
ultimately the same thing. And my contention in a nutshell
is that the grail, which is usually in most people's
mind represented by the chalice or the cup, right, there's
very potent reasons for that, but it's also symbolized by
a whole array of other things. You know, a bleeding

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lance is one of the typical things. Oftentimes the sword.
The grail has been represented as a sword. It's also
been represented as a stone, simply a stone, and that's
connection with the stone then of course, ultimately connects it
with the philosopher's stone of alchemy, and they both in
fact confer the same thing, which is that, you know,

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the grail. Remember what was the ultimate objective of getting
the grail. It was to restore the king to health.
But it wasn't just the king, it was also the kingdom.
Because something had caused lugue, which is the ancient term
for the Kingdom of Britain, had fallen. It had become
something had laid waste to the kingdom, and the Grail

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was the antidote. It was what would heal not only
the debilitated king, but also the land itself. So with
that perception, what I maintain is is, having spent years
now immersed in this literature and thinking about this and
following these clues, is that really what we're looking at
is a The Grail actually symbolizes an ancient technology that

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has been lost to history, but a technology. And what's
interesting is when you begin to put these ideas to
the test, what you understand is that one of the
king the key principles associated with the Holy Grail is
that it's bimodal in its functioning, in that the same

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force that can destroy the world also recreates the world,
regenerates the world in the aftermath. And once you begin
to understand what the Grail is, then you begin to
see that, yes, in the natural world. I almost hesitate
to use the word supernatural because of the connotations, but
we are all really talking about nature on a super

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level here. But so the theme of it is connected
with spring and Easter and so on. Remember in Creton
Destoise telling of the Grail story. Joseph of Arimathea, who
was one of Jesus is described I think in the
Book of Math, who is one of Jesus's secret disciples,
which I've always thought is a very interesting who was

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also allied with Nicodemus, who was one of the disciples
that came to Jesus by night, right, remember leading up
to the Passover? What did who did? I don't think
they were named. Jesus sends out two disciples to go
to Jerusalem, right, And when they get there, they're supposed
to go to the town square and look for a
man carrying a picture of water. And when they see

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he sees that they see that guy carrying the picture
of water, they go and they're supposed to say a
very specific word by word recital to the to the
guy carrying the picture of water, like have the have
the chambers for the Master been prepared? I forget the
exact words. He will then take you to a house,

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and at that house is where he's going to have
this meeting. Right, so he's got a meeting with his
twelve disciples there. And this is the famous DaVinci painting
The Last Supper and all that. It's in this house. Well,
who owned the house, Well, it might have been Joseph
of Arimathea the householder. The owner of the house is
not named, but clearly when you think about it, who

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is the guy with the pitcher of water? And why
did they have a go between between the two disciples
and the owner of the house who is hosting this dinner? Well,
the connection, of course is that during this dinner, Jesus
drinks from the cup, and he passes the cup around
and they all drink from this cup. He's then crucified,

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and when Joseph of Aromathea, who according to some genealogies, may
have been Jesus's uncle, he goes and convinces Pilot to
let him take conscious Pilot let him take the body.
But before he takes as he takes it down from
the cross, what does he do he collects because if
you recall, six hours after the crucifixion, Joseph a Verimythia

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comes to Pilot and asks if he could remove the
body and conscious Pilot, Well, he didn't believe he could
already be dead after only six hours, because crucifixion was
designed to prolong the agony of death for as long
as possible even days, so pilot didn't believe necessarily that
Jesus was dead. He sends a centurion out there who

(20:09):
prods him in the side with his lance, right, does
not get a response, goes back in reports to conscious
pilot that Jesus was dead. Conscious pilot releases says, go ahead,
get the body. They go, and they take the body down,
and Joseph of Arimathea collects blood coming from the wound

(20:30):
in his side in this cup. And then, according to legend,
from this this is in the Bible, and then you
get the legends where he departs with his twelve disciples
and ultimately ends up in England, where he meets up
with the chieftain Arvigas, who gives him twelve hides of
land which is one four and forty acres, which he

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turns into the Sacred Precinct, and at the center of
that he builds a small wattle or woven branch's chapel
that's thirty nine point six feet in diameter, and there
he established, according to legend, the first ever Christian church.
And there the kraal was hidden for centuries, and then
somewhere along the line it became lost, and then in

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the Middle Ages you had this release declassification. The way
I look at it is of all these stories of
the Grail, right, So, of course with the crucifixion, right,
think of the death of the king. This is a
story that's told over and over, whether it's Orpheus or Tammuz,
or Odin or Cyrus, variants of this story are told universally.

(21:39):
In the Christianized version, at the dawn of the Pician Age,
it was Jesus Christ who was the fisher of men,
which of course is the perfect astrological connection with the
dawning of the age of Pisces. Right. So what I'm
all getting to in this long rant here is that
the theme of these two weekends is going to be
the Holy Grail and how that leads to the ideas

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of destruction and decline, but also within there are the
seeds of renewal and generate regeneration and resurrection. And I
am specifically applying it to because it's such a could
be such a have such a broad application. I've kind
of narrowed to the idea of education and showing that

(22:26):
education is now like a rotting corpse. What has become
standardized education establishment education, and it's time to resurrect true
education using in which context we would go back not

(22:47):
only decades and generations, but millennia to draw upon the
best of traditional systems and then fuse those with the
best of what we now know about neuroscience and regeneration
of brain cells even see, and going from there and
establishing as important as it is to like we're connecting

(23:11):
right now in the digital world, right well, this is
extremely valuable because we're going to be able to and
we are, you know, linking up the entire world, and
by doing this, we're going to be able to establish
networks that transcend the old essentially the old, the old
type of nationalism that is now leading to international conflict.

(23:33):
You know, here's the thing. If we if we're online
and there's a network of Russians and Americans and Chinese
and from all parts of the world that who are
all interested in very similar ideas and philosophy, who believe
in peace and freedom and truth. See, this was going
to be the worst thing that happened to the establishment

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is that all of us, millions and millions of people
that in one level or another have this kind of outlook,
kind of life, this philosophy of life. We're going to
get together. It's going to happen, and the outcome of
that can be powerful. But this is the digital connections
and the digital networks are not a replacement for the

(24:15):
actual face to face of real people getting together and
sharing space together and sharing meals together. Again a reference
back to the idea of the Last supperb And so
I've dominated the conversation long enough. We'll circle back to
this after you've had a chance to say some things, Matt.
But I would like to get into a little bit

(24:36):
more of the specifics about what we're going to be
doing in these two weekends and how we're going to
tie the vision of the Grail into this as a possibility,
because basically what is happening, guys, is that there's a
network of people coming together, bringing the resources that want
to draw upon these traditional really powerful and we'll talk

(24:58):
about that methodologies for and if you look and I'll
leave it at this, that when you look at the
past history, and I bet you figured this already out, Matt,
is what you see over and over again, whether it's
South America, North America, whether it's Egypt, whether it's Sameria,
whether it's even China, Megalithic England, the cathedrals of France,

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it doesn't matter. You've got this common inspiration and the
idea is the uniting of heaven and Earth exactly. That's
that's what it is, and there are with that basic
core idea. Now it follows that there are actually implementable strategies.
So that's when we circle back what I'd like to

(25:42):
talk about. But I'm going to shut up for a
minute and let you share some of what you've got
going on, Matt.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yes, yes, let's get into to your stuff, Matt, because
I know that both of you agree that it was
most likely a lot these cataclysms many, you know, many
probably occurred throughout the ages, but most of them have
been most likely caused by causes that are cosmic in nature.
But the causes that you research might be a little different,

(26:13):
and I want to get in too match your theories
on what you think may have been connected with these
cyclical resets.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Thank you, and thank you Randal for letting me present
some of this, and please please challenge me on any
of the data that I'm presenting, and we can go
into this discussion because you're an extremely well versed and
intelligent person, and I admittedly have holes and areas of
you know, I'm not a physicist, so there's areas that
you can please chime in and maybe correct me if

(26:43):
there's a better way to say something, or if there's
something that I said it's inaccurate, because in the end
of the day, like Randall said, we're coming to a
time when it's the age of information and truth is returning.
Like the ancients used to hold most dear to them
was this idea of knowledge, you know, around the world
through the symbol of the serpent and the metamorphosis of
the great feathered serpent into the dragon. And we are

(27:05):
returning to those great great the knowledge of those secret
societies that eventually became largely disappeared or corrupted and remained
in some small areas like the Freemasons and some others
where we're trying to gain that back again because it
seems we're certainly in this age where as Randall said,
I love how you put it, it's like a like

(27:27):
a rotting corpse, is like our education system of this
very dumb down, very antiquated perspective of when we try
to understand everything in our reality, everything in the cosmos
and the and what the part that we play in
all of this. And really, when you when you leave
high school and college, you think you know everything, Really
you've just been largely indoctrinated into just certain key concepts

(27:51):
to give you an idea of it. But you don't
get any of the fill. You don't get any of
the interesting aspects of what makes all of this exciting.
And I know that Rainlod's probably had countless people telling
the same thing. Is that when you look at megalithic
ancient lost civilizations and catastrophes throughout time and the sophistication
that those cultures around the world, whether it's the America's Egypt,

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the Turkey, the Middle East, through through Iran and I
and right down into India and all these incredible temples
around the world, or hit the China with the yang
Shan Quori that has the largest single megalithic block in
the world. All around the world, we find that those civilizations,
in many ways, not perhaps not on a technological level,

(28:34):
but on an understanding of sacred geometry and the energy
lay lines of the Earth and the cosmic connection with everything,
they were on a level that we are simply not at,
and that's why these mysteries remain with how how these
blocks were moved, how they were built, why they were built,
why civilizations will go sometimes over one thousand miles just

(28:55):
to obtain a specific type of material. You look at
the Karnak Temple in Egypt and with the traverteing block
that's present there, that multi time block, which is the
nearest quarry where traver team can be found, is over
one thousand miles away in Turkey. So we have to
start asking ourselves questions on whether these civilizations new tremendous
amounts of knowledge that we simply don't know anymore that's

(29:17):
been lost over these periods of cyclical catastrophes. That seems
like every time one of those occurs, we lose more
and more knowledge, not gaining more and more knowledge. And
that's why understanding the ancient past is so critically important
because that's where many of these answers remain. And so
we simply have to, like Randall said, we have to

(29:37):
restructure our education system and come together as a unified
people to all have this commonality goal of reaching these
higher states of consciousness by coming together and learning these
ancient the ancient knowledge of the past and applying the
knowledge that we have obtained through technology today. And that's
how we can create that paradigm, reach you know, the

(30:00):
Golden Age and reaching this next cycle of our of
our story. And so it's there's a lot there, and uh, Chris,
I don't know if you want me to reynolf. I
don't know if you want to say anything on that
before we go into some of the reasons behind this
and some of that, some of the evidence behind why
these civilizations seem to have been destroyed destroyed. But just

(30:20):
you know, let me know.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Sure, No, I you know, I could interject thoughts as
we go along here, but I don't want to break
your train of thought. You're on a good role there,
and I should actually be making a few notes here,
but you know, I'll just say this that you know,
we're looking at events here in phenomena that that is mysterious,
that is awesome, that is stuff that's really almost like

(30:45):
outside the the traditional, the the the recent paradigms of
thinking about Earth history, and so it it and obviously
the point here is that the Earth history and the
history of civilization on the Earth are are completely coupled together,
you can't. And and this has been something that that's

(31:06):
sort of been a bone of contention to historians and
archaeologists and so on, that you know, whether you're talking
about an environmental or climatic determinism, and they've not wanted
to go there. But I think it's clear at this
point that the evidence does support the conclusion that civilizations
have succumbed repeatedly to a variety of events. And I'm

(31:32):
sort of of the mind that, you know, it's just
like you know, the elder priest told Solon in Plato's
Dialogues that you know, there have been many causes exactly.
And what I was saying in early when my first
comments was that I think that in some cases these
causes are are connected, you know, because we can now

(31:53):
explain megascale flooding as a result of impact into the
ocean into an ice sheet. We can also explain the
ignition of tremendous, maybe continent wide fires that you know,
so you've now got the you know, the two ends
of the spectrum where you have the cataclysmos in the

(32:16):
Greek terminology, the destruction of the world by water and
you've got the experusis, which is the destruction of the
world by fire. But we can understand that in the
case of a major bold impact, you could you could
have both. But that may not be the only thing,
you know, I'm not I haven't ruled out that that
the Sun does, you know, plays a very important role,

(32:39):
and that we may only be beginning to understand how
truly variable the Sun is. And then we have to
be thinking in terms of the whole heliosphere and its
interaction with the Earth's geomagnetic field and what that implies,
because if the the intensity of the heliosphere is interrupted,

(33:00):
that means more cosmic ray bombardment, and then we got
to get into well what causes what are the sources
of cosmic rays? And so yeah, I mean we're looking
at a whole broad spectrum of phenomena that I think
is all interrelated and interconnected, and maybe in the grossest level,
the end product may be that there's an enhanced flux

(33:21):
of encounters between Earth and swarms of bolides. I think
that's part of it. But we're also looking at some
phenomena that may be just purely energetic, you know, work
might be talking about I mean, who knows this. I
haven't looked into this, so this would be just purely
science fixed and speculation on my part. But you know,
ripples into space, time continuum or some such thing. But

(33:43):
I'm not going to go that metaphysical yet because right
now I'm still thinking about rocks falling out of the sky. Okay, okay,
So with that comment, I'm gonna take a breath and
let's dive into your research there, Matt.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, And I love how you you're so open to
the idea that it's these events seem to be multiple
reasons why, and they may be all related and some
may be heavily emphasized on cosmic impacts from objects, and
then others could be related to something else. And that's
what something else is where I want to bring in

(34:18):
some of my data. And so, Chris, I guess if
you're okay with me just taking it away. Yeah, God,
I'm going to start by as Randall said, very very well,
and he discusses, and I love this, the idea that
these catastrophes, this order of magnitude, the idea that we
look around the world at these at these almost like
small events that are happening right a volcano goes off

(34:39):
in Italy and then everyone's freaking out because lava gets
near a town. And then you have a devastating earthquake
somewhere right on like a seven or eight, and you
get a lot of destruction because humans are all over
the planet. But really what we're talking about here, as
Randall is, coined the order of magnitude for these events
that we've that we've studied through everything from charred levels

(35:03):
of soil around the world at certain points that can
be tracked for their age, to the ice core samples
taken from Greenland looking at what the snapshot of what
the Earth's climate was over the last twenty thousand years,
to everything from cosmic impact impacts that are still historically
around the world and things like vitrification, which we're going
to get into too, on some of these megalithic sites

(35:23):
where what we're looking at is these ancient civilizations that
go back well over twelve thirteen thousand years. I'm on
the mindset when I study this that they go back
over fifty thousand years when we look at like, for instance,
we know, as Randall said, when Solon met with the
temple priests of Sais in Egypt, and they discussed that

(35:43):
there have been multiple catastrophes on the earth. We find
out a date for when Atlantis was destroyed, as in
this myth that is contented as not being a real
and it's some kind of an allegory or metaphor, we
find out well, no, actually Atlantis was destroyed nine thousand
years four Plato existed, which falls right into the younger,
driest impact time period, which is extremely interesting because then

(36:07):
you start to tie in that with the ancient Sumerian
and Acadian and Babylonian stories of a great deluge. You
get into the stories from the ancient Viera coashins of
Peru when they talk about these catastrophes that occurred there,
and you get into the stories ancient flood stories from
China and Japan and nearly every one of these areas

(36:28):
in the world where we can identify this incredibly sophisticated
megalithic structures on these lower levels, where what we find
on top is so much more primitive. We start we
start to add that the question of number one, how
many civilizations have come not hunter gathered nomadic groups, but
when the rise of civilization occurred with a sophistication found

(36:52):
through things like animal husbandry and agriculture and metallurgy and
the written word and all these things that have come
along Once that happened, and it's contended to when that happened,
but I do think that it did happen in summer.
But when that happened, how many of those civilizations rose
up and then were destroyed nearly and then another culture

(37:12):
came and found those ruins, Like in a place like
Machu Picchu. You can go into the indigenous stories on
how the actual what we think of as the Inca emerged,
likely out of the Amazon rainforest after some of these
catastrophees that occurred, and they found Machu Pichu covered in
jungle and completely in ruins, and then they tried to
mimic and build on top of those structures, and that's

(37:34):
why you see such distinctive masonic and stone masonry work
in those places. And I think what's interesting is that
Machu Pichu, which I'll be visiting in July, presents one
of the best compelling pieces of data that shows that
there's been at least three three different civilizations Because what
we find in the areas of the Royal palace in

(37:58):
the center of Machu Picchu. The tour we find this
area of incredible megalithics architecture precision like we find all
around Peru on the lowermost levels, and then right above it,
as Brian Forrester has discussed often, there's this slightly smaller
megalithics building we find on top that seems in a

(38:19):
very small gap, almost like it only occurred in a
small amount of time. And then you have the masonry
we find from the classical Inca, which is more like
a mortar type of aspect with small stones and cobbles,
showing that there have been three civilizations there. And when
you look at stories like in the Maya and the Aztec,
they describe how we're in this age of how there

(38:41):
have been civilizations that have come and gone, and we're
in like the fourth or fifth time period of these
catastrophes of civilizations rising up and falling, and instead of
thinking that it's only been like one before us, we're
looking at multiple ones. Now, how far of a gap
did those exist before they were destroyed repeatedly, and how

(39:02):
far back does that whole story go. And once we
can determine that, we can figure out when these cyclical
catastrophes occur on a regular basis. And I'm of the
opinion that the purpose behind Gobecley tep Bei mapping, or
the main purpose behind having a cosmic library that maps
out the zodiacal great year of the Earth, is that

(39:23):
they knew when those events would occur, and I think
that they were planning for them. And the evidence behind
that is because they buried go Beckley Teppe before these
catastrophes came through, in order, in my opinion, in order
to protect that library, because I think they knew, they
were forewarned and had an understanding that those events occurred.
And I think every time those have happened, the civilizations

(39:46):
have had less and less knowledge that those things were
going to occur. And so that's where I really want
to get into.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, go ahead, Randall, Well, you know what you're saying
is that's without actually being data driven. It's purely speculat
But that's precisely what I had speculated, because you know,
having one of the things that I've studied is nuclear
deterrent technologies and nuclear strategies, not so much lately, but

(40:18):
really a lot heavily in the eighties, particularly and you know,
then I realized, as I started looking at cosmic impact phenomena,
that there was a lot that we had learned about
debtonations in the atmosphere and debtonations underground from all the
nuclear testing that applied directly to our understanding of what

(40:38):
occurs when an object, say, for example, something like the
nineteen oh eight Tunguska object comes in and explodes five
miles up in the atmosphere, and what it does in
terms of pressure waves, thermal pulse, all of that kind
of stuff, and it doesn't have it's very similar to

(40:59):
a nuclear weapon detonation without the radiation that you would
find the radiation signature that you could find with a
nuclear Yeah, yeah, exactly. So in any case, uh, you know,
when we went from going to a mutual assured destruction

(41:23):
scenario to survivability scenario, that's when they began to harden
all of the command and control centers and missile silos.
And of course, what did what did they do with
the missile silos to protect them from the surface blast?
They put them, They bury them, basically, And so I,

(41:45):
within that framework of thinking, I had concluded basically almost
precisely the same idea that it was buried, and this
could be to protect it not only from the blast effects,
but from radiation as well. So if there was radiation involved.
And one of the things I'm studying right now trying
to learn more about is what we now know about

(42:07):
what happens atmospherically when you have a major impact event.
We do know from the Anguska event that it caused
some pretty major fluctuations in the ozone, and a multiple
impact event may temporarily deplete the ozone in the atmosphere
to the point where cosmic ray bombardment increases by an

(42:31):
order of magnitude or more.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's interesting. I've never heard of that.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Okay, Yeah, so that's you know, this is stuff I've
been considering. And you know, at this point, catastrophism is
really is still in its infancy. You know, we've been
straight jacked in, straight jacketed into this gradualistic model, this
uniformity model. You know, for a century and a half,
it's been the dominant model of Earth change, and it's

(42:57):
been very valuable, very powerful, very insist lightful. But it's
only half the equation, exainitely. The other half is is that, yeah,
there's this other mode and it involves short lived periods
of extremely accelerated change, and so we have to look

(43:18):
where within those very short episodes you may have factor
of ten or one hundred or a thousand times the
rate of change that you find during normal times. So, yeah,
I had come to that same idea that maybe go
Beckley Tepe was buried specifically to protected from catastrophic events.

(43:40):
The first thing, of course it came to my mind
was a blast, a la Tunguska kind of event, but
also then yeah, radiation as well, and there may be
more dimensions to it. I don't know. That's as far
as I've taken my thinking at this point, though I
would tend to agree with you, Matt. I think that's
a high contender for a possible explanation for why it's buried.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay, well, we know, you know, astrology is extremely important
to the ancients. It was encoded in almost every ancient text,
including the Bible, and they apparently knew the stars way
better than we do now. But you know, what exactly
did they know? Did they know about a specific cataclysm,
did they know about a specific cycle? And I know, Matt,

(44:26):
you have some theories about what it could possibly have
been more specifically than we've discussed before, right.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, and this is some cutting edge stuff. And I
don't know if Randall knows some of this, and so
I'm not because he doesn't know a lot. But this
is something that's very obscure, and it's something that I've
spent a couple of years studying and really digging into.
And I would love to get his opinions on it.
And I want to present some of this and we
can look at it. Like Randall said, it seems like

(44:55):
the common theme here, and yeah, don't pull that up
quite yet, Chris. It seems like the co common theme
here is that these civilizations likely knew about this, these
cycles of catastrophe that come through, and they knew that
the most important thing that they could do is protect knowledge.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So you look at the story of Egypt, and you
look at other civil civilizations. Were those created out of
things like the Atlantean civilization because they knew that there
was a catastrophe that was going to destroy their civilization,
and so they went out and they created these libraries
and mystery schools, and these initiates traveled around the world,
and then they created civilizations in order to protect that knowledge.

(45:33):
We certainly see that with symbols like the pine cone
in the handbag like symbol that we see ingle Beckley
Teppee Pillar forty three. We see in all across ancient
sumer Acadian and Babylon of these symbols being this knowledge
being passed to a king and a priest. We see
it with the Olmec and levent to Mexico with the
exact same symbols of passing this knowledge and creating these

(45:56):
civilizations in a certain image. And so what I'm going
to be resenting and discussing is that, first and foremost,
I absolutely think that there have been many, many cosmic
impacts throughout Earth's history. Okay, I just want to throw
that out there. Absolutely. I'm not trying to say that
this is the only thing that's happened at all. I'm

(46:17):
simply saying that I believe that this is the primary
factor on why it seems like I believe that there
have been cyclical catastrophes somewhere between every thirteen thousand and
every twenty thousand years. Is where my data has shown
me that these have happened. And we get that data
from some very very brave astronomers. I don't know if
Ranild's ever heard of Robert Harrington and Thomas Van Flander,

(46:41):
but both of those individuals we're studying outer objects, outer
objects impacting our solar system and how those impacts might
have some kind of a timetable on when they occur.
And I want to point out that both of those
men mysteriously died middle of their work, and they were

(47:01):
both highly revered astronomers. Robert Harrington was the head of
the US Navy astronomy program looking at all of this,
and Thomas Flanderm was a very famous physicist and astronomer
that was actually working with Robert Harrington on some of
the things that I'm about to present right now. And
so what we're going to do is we're going to

(47:22):
go into some data, some hard data, right now, and
I can't wait for rand to get his Randall's opinion
on it. So go ahead, Chris, and I want you
to pull up the image that I shared, and I
want to go get a little bit of a give
a little background on what this is. So in the
nineteen late nineteen seventies, in the early nineteen eighties, NASA

(47:42):
was really they were concerned and curious about why it
seemed like the entire cliptic of our solar system seemed
to be tilted on its axis, especially the outer planets
of Uranus and Neptune and things like Pluto being thrown
out in the middle of nowhere. There seemed to be
some very strange aspect to this where something was interacting

(48:03):
with the entire inner Solar system. And that's the other
thing that I want to bring up is we have
to understand that there's an inner Solar system and an
outer Solar system, and that's largely separated by the Kuiper Belt,
and as Randall pointed out, beyond that we have the
Ore Cloud. Now in that aspect of us studying our
inner Solar system, there are still incredibly open ended questions

(48:26):
and considerations. When we look at the outer Solar system,
we know very little about it. Number one, no person
has ever been beyond beyond the Moon and Mars is
like seems like the furthest we can really get, And
of course we've sent probes and that's really where a
lot of this data is going to be coming from.
So when NASA was looking at, well, what is causing

(48:47):
these perturbations and this axial tilt to the entire solar
system and all these objects. They were very curious, and
so what they did is they sent two probes out
in nineteen eighty three, known as Pioneer ten and eleven,
and they sent him out in completely different directions. Pioneer
eleven didn't find anything, so it became something that's not
really important. But Pioneer ten was sent out into the

(49:10):
outer Solar system. And what Pioneer ten found, I firmly
believe is one of the most critical aspects that has
actually turned into quite a huge conspiracy in my mind
on what is actually out in the outer source system
because of the implications that it has for these cycles
of these destruction of civilizations and how it's also going

(49:32):
to impact our current civilization now. And so I'm going
to go ahead and discuss this for a little while,
and then I'm I'm really excited to hear some of
Randall's thoughts on this, because I don't think he's ever
seen this image, and if he has, that's great. So
what this is is, if you were to go search
online right now and you were to say, oh, I'm
actually really curious about what Pioneer ten found, you will

(49:55):
find that the Internet is literally scrubbed of information. It's
all gone. Okay, what's weird about that is in the
nineteen nineties, I think it was nineteen ninety three, it
was somewhere around ninteen ninety three nineteen ninety five, NASA
actually came out with a press announcement. I don't know
if anyone remembers this, but they said they discovered a
super massive planet that existed beyond the Kuiper Belt that

(50:18):
was four to five times the Earth size. That was
actually the quote that they gave where they said they
found this object out there that was four to five
times the size of Earth, way beyond the Kuiper Bell.
And of course I am just to throw to be
very clear. I am not a Zacharia Ficien's supporter in
his work, and I'm not talking about anything like a
nebureau aspect of all this. This comes from something that

(50:40):
these objects do, I don't believe interact with the inner
Solar System in a way in a physical way. I
think it's an energetic way. And that's what I want
to be very clear about, because you would have to
essentially pass through the Kyper Bell and all these things well,
at the same time, Caltech in the nineties started studying
the outer the Kype Belt with objects like comets and

(51:02):
asteroids that seem to have a really strange ecliptical orbit,
just like our solar system did. These really weird orbital
tracts that don't follow the models of what we think
would occur with having a single star in our solar system. Now,
what I want to add to that to understand that
people know is that in our understanding of the Milky

(51:23):
Way Galaxy and the universe, eighty percent of all star
systems are binary, and a lot of them are trinary
or more. I mean, in the Poleadian star cluster there
are more than eight hundred stars. So what we're talking
about is the common aspect is that when you have
a star cluster in a solar system form, most of
the time there's at least two stars at form in
a system. Okay, this is the most understood aspect. Now

(51:48):
we look at our studying of our solar system and
we're told in school that we have a single star
known as our Sun, and that there's really nothing to
worry about in our solar system. Right, everything's focused on
the inner solar system but what I've come and looked
at is that that's really not the case at all.
And this is exactly what Robert Harrington and Thomas Van

(52:09):
Flanner were studying. This is what I believe that something
nefarious occurred with them, because as soon as Robert Harrington
and Thomas Van and Flanner died, their work was considered
mathematical in calculations. That's what the term was that they
came along and it was all all their work was
simply mathematical and calculations, miscalculations, I should say. And so

(52:33):
everyone's like, oh, okay, so that planet that they announced
that was four to five times the Earth beyond the
Piper Belt, I guess that's not really there, and I
guess all these other things aren't really there either. But
what I've come to discover is that what Pioneer ten
found is what may be one of the greatest secrets
ever kept from humanity right now. And I say that
in a really honest way, and I'm not trying to

(52:55):
embellish that statement at all, because I believe that it
may be one of the greatest facts in all of
these catastrophes. So let me explain this just a little bit.
So Pioneer ten goes out and it finds all this stuff,
and then you go online, you search for and it's
all scrubbed. There's no information about what Pioneer ten found.
It's almost like it didn't find anything. Okay. So I

(53:17):
started doing some digging, and I found out that there's
only one place that exists on the on the Internet
where the data from Pioneer ten was ever kept, okay,
and it's in the nineteen eighty seven Science and Invention Encyclopedia.
And that's what you're looking at with this image on
the screen right now, Okay, And I wanted this image

(53:39):
up there so people don't just listen to me and
think that I'm making all this up. So to me, well,
what happened? Right well, page twenty four and eighty eight,
there's a description talking about space, you know, in general.
It talks about the Utter Solar System. It talks about
Pioneer just a little bit in terms of how they
sent a probout and those things like that. But it

(53:59):
has this this this image, this depiction right that has
the most phenomenal things that it depicts, and then it
doesn't talk about it at all. It doesn't even mention
one thing about this, and yet the image remains okay,
So you have to come to the conclusion that they
were told to not talk about it, but somehow the

(54:21):
image was left there.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Okay. And before in.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Nineteen eighty seven, before computers are really a big thing,
that was the source of information, right, So there's these
volumes have existed, people had them in their basement from
nineteen eighty seven, and someone uploaded this image. Now, it
took me months and months and months and months to
find a high definition image of this. This is a

(54:44):
PDF that I was able to obtain after very very
extensive searching, and I this is like over six months
of searching that to find this, because it's almost like
people were photocopying or scanning it in you know, because
there was a few people out there that did like
see this, and we're like whoa, whoa, wait a minute, right,
what is this? And I finally found a PDF of it,

(55:06):
and this the first thing I did was uploaded to
my website and that's what you're looking at right now
as my website at the stage of time. Because I
want this to be known by the world and to
be preserved. I don't want this to be lost because
it's all we have left. It's all we have left
of what Pioneer ten found. Now, I want to just
briefly tell what it found, and then we can get

(55:26):
into the effects of it, because I want to I
want to have Randall jump in. But then I also
want to discuss my theories behind how this impacts the
entire galactic plane of our Solar system. Okay, so it
goes out beyond the Kuper Belt, right, and it's able
to it has a way to identify signatures of objects.
Because a lot of these things are dark, right this

(55:48):
planet that they found, which is what announced that NASA
had announced in the nineteen nineties, they're very hard to see.
In fact, a lot of times you can only see
them if they pass in front of another object and
create a shadow. Whereas in this case, Pioneer ten was
actually designed to detect these objects, using things like infrared
and other aspects to detect heat, latent heat, and other

(56:10):
kinds of signatures from these objects. So what does it
find at this time in nineteen eighty three, It finds
a planet four point seven billion miles away that is
four to five times the size of Earth, okay, in
the outer Solar System behind the Kuiper Belt, and then
what does it find the greatest secret I think of

(56:31):
all time, a dead star fifty billion miles out.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
When I started looking at this, and I started looking
at Robert Harrington's and Dahmers van Flanner's calculations of this object,
they thought that this planet and this potentially this star,
and they didn't really talk about the star, but they
talked about the planet may have a may have an

(56:58):
interaction with our solar system we're around every twenty thousand years.
That was the prediction that they made before they disappeared mysteriously. Now,
when I've studied these objects, the dead star and this planet,
I've come to the conclusion that I believe, when I
look at the data of these catastrophes and the location

(57:18):
of where this dead star was, that it may have
in it may have a paihealium pass, meaning the closest
pass to our son of somewhere between like Robert Harrington
and Flanner said, of somewhere between thirteen and twenty thousand years,
and that may differ slightly. But if that's the case,
then at every time that this goes into pair of

(57:39):
healing with our son. The entire SOL system heats up
because the Sun will have to maintain its equilibrium and
will essentially send out massive pulses of energy in order
for its to maintain its helio pause. In order to
maintains its equilibrium, it has to send out massive corona
mass ejections. And as this object, this dead star, goes

(58:01):
through its dance, and as it goes into Apohelian meaning
further away from the Sun, I believe that you see
that calming down but massive cooling of our Earth. Okay,
and I believe that this object may and we can
go I'll go into much more detail in a minute,
but I want to get Randall a jump in. I

(58:21):
believe that this interaction with our binary lost binary star
and this planet is the reason why not only do
we get ice ages and rapid melting and warming, but
cyclical catastrophes on the Earth from chromass ejections and pulse
shifts which have and want to We can go into
all kinds of discussions on what that does. But before

(58:43):
I go any further, I just would love to get
Randall's thoughts, so I don't just keep talking on and
on about this.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Well, I have read Flander. It's been twenty years at
least I have one of his recent books. Comment in
the title sitting on my shelf right in the other room.
I'm a little bit familiar with some of these ideas.
I mean, I've also looked at the idea of cyclical catastrophes.
Thirteen thousand year period definitely seems to coincide with your conclusions,

(59:17):
because you know, we look back. If we go back
to thirteen thousand year cycles, we're back at the you know,
basically the previous dawning of the age of Aquarius, right,
which is in the astronomical sense, is just going to
be the position of the vernal equinox with respect to
the backdrop of the constellations. Right. But I may even

(59:40):
be able to pull it up here in a minute,
where I've plotted some of the.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Some of the.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Catastrophes that I think have been well documented by looking
at things like Heinrich events, Dance guard Ashker events, which
seemed to be major upheavals, climatic upheavals that are associated
with like a Heinrich event is a massive disgorging of
icebergs into the oceans and something. I mean, something is

(01:00:13):
triggering that, and there seems to be sort of a
thirteen thousand or twenty six thousand year periodicity to that. Now,
if we go back twenty six thousand years ago, we're
almost within like one millennium of the start of the
final phase of the Wisconsin so called Wisconsin Ice Age
that was preceded. You know, there was like three phases

(01:00:36):
or so in the Late Wisconsin Ice Age, which was
after the Emian, which was one hundred and twenty two
hundred and thirty thousand years ago, which was considered to
be an analog to the modern warm period. You had
several intervals of glacial expansion and glacial contraction. The question
is how much glacial expansion how much glacial contraction. That

(01:00:58):
is not known with perfect precision, but it does appear
that prior to twenty six thousand years ago, down to
perhaps around forty to forty two thousand years ago, there
was a major period of deglaciation, which we know from
pollen studies and evidence of vegetation and forests growing in Canada. Obviously,

(01:01:21):
if you've got forest growing, there's no ice sheet there, right,
So it sort of fits and I might actually be
able to pull up here. While you're talking, I'll pull
up something. So on your next breather, I'll okay, I'll
show a compilation that I did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
You were going to jump back in, Chris and just
keep going for a man, Sure, yeah, No, I'll have
some questions at the end, so go for it, okay,
And I'll just expand on what I was doing to
I guess to conclude before Randal jumps in and we
changed to a different aspect of looking at this. But
you'll notice that what Pioneer ten found in terms of
specifics looking at this object was that they they didn't

(01:02:00):
identify it as a brown or red dwarf, this our
binary companion. They identified it as a dead star. Now
what's really really interesting about the term dead star is
that it most likely means that the star went into
a supernova. Okay, so if you look it down, if
you look at Earth history, and this is where we

(01:02:20):
get back into potentially as far back as sixty million
years ago. I mean, do we we look at the idea,
the whole concept of how the dinosaur period was destroyed
with this massive impact crater in the Yucatan Peninsula, which thing,
you know, they have evidence of that in the gulb
of Mexico. But I'm almost I'm actually starting to wonder

(01:02:41):
and put this together that if you have a binary
companion that's going through a nuclear supernova explosion, before that
event occurred, that star would get extremely hot, okay, and
as every time it came through its perihelion, it would
interact with not only our Sun but our entire solar
system and the effect in a very very massive way.

(01:03:04):
And it's interesting looking at how the Earth didn't seem
to have the seasonal aspects that it has now in
how the perhaps something like the Great Year in this
actual procession of the equinox with our planet didn't seem
to exist. So what caused it? Why all of a
sudden is did this this cosmic impact hit the Earth

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and then change the entire tilt of the planet and
cause it to have a procession of the equinox? Or
did something else happen? Or is it a combination of everything?
That's the thing, Like Randall says, could these objects, this
binary companion and this planet, could they disrupt the entire
Kuiper Belt and then send objects flying in and have
Maybe it's a combination of everything. But I'm proposing the

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idea that when that supernova went off with this binary
star to make it a dead star, it likely was
one of the reasons why we had mass extinctions on
the Earth, because we know millions and millions of years
ago looking at fossil records, that there have been extinction
level events on the Earth that were so significant that
even it's considered microbial life was wiped out. So what

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kind of an event could cause Besides the idea of
just a cosmic impact, what about something like a supernova.
What if that binary companion super novaed close enough to
impact our entire inner Solar system. So anyway, the whole
idea is that a major event occurred in the past.
When that event occurred, we don't really know. It seems

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like it was likely millions of years ago, just because
it's now a dead star and no one can see it,
because not only is it fifty billion miles out, but
it's it's a dead star, which means it's dark. Now,
you start getting into some ancient cultures around the world
who have mentioned something like a dark star or a
black star, right, and there's even cultural references in like

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David Bowie's last album is called like Dark Star, right
before he mysteriously disappeared. And so it's just interesting how
we're looking at this interaction where if I when I've
studied the binary's rotation, it's entire rotation in conjunction with
our Sun, with our solar system, and how the Earth's

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procession of the equinox is a twenty six thousand year cycle.
With this tilt of our entire solar system, I'm beginning
to wonder if the interaction with this binary star is
actually the same thing, some kind of a twenty six
thousand year interaction, and this interaction with our Sun is
what's creating this gigantic procession of the equinox with the

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whole solar system is impacted through a dance, a dance
with this binary Now, there's a documentary that's been made
that people should I highly recommend people go look up.
It's called The Great Year. Okay, I don't know if
you guys have ever seen that. It's not very well known.
I think it came out in the nineties and it
has a very very significant narrator, someone that everyone knows.

(01:06:04):
I can't remember his name off my head, but there
was a very well done documentary, and they actually talked
about that. They showed the interaction of this binary companion.
I was like, why aren't people known about this documentary?
And they actually proposed that the Great Year regarding the
procession of the equinox is based on the dance of

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this binary So I'm not the first person to talk
about this. I'm just the one going into details to
try to figure out how it relates to these cycles.
So anyway, the point I'm trying to make is now
here you have this dead star, super dense object right
still has the density that it had, but you can't
see it, so you just have this energetic interaction. And

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I believe that its approach to our Sun creates this
massive warming, sends out corona mass ejections, probably cosmic impacts
as well. And what we're talking about is a magnitude
of order of events that are so significant that it's
like something out of a Hollywood movie. Imagine you have
this binary star, this dead star, come within perihelion of

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our Sun and it causes the Sun to shoot out
massive kernal mass injections. Not what we're talking about right
now with these little ones that disrupt satellites, and Internet
around the world. How about something so significant that the
poles either flip or shift so significantly around the Earth
that you have every tectonic plate and every volcano go off,

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tsunamis around the world that are miles high traveling all
around the world, that supersonic speeds, volcanoes going off everywhere,
subduction of plates like Atlantis, sending land masses down into
the ocean, like that sunken ruins we find off of Cuba,
which is like phenomenally interesting if you look into that,

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where you start to say, well, we're talking about something
an event that, according to ice cores when we look
at the younger dryest time period, seems to have occurred
over like over a thousand year period.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Okay, so this isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Something that happens right away and then it's over. It's
like multiple events in a thousand year period that have
difference events. Maybe there's cosmic impacts, maybe there's kernal mass ejections,
maybe there's massive fires across the Earth, tsunami's volcanoes, how
about everything all in that time period. It would explain
why these sophisticated civilizations that know about energy lay lines

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around the Earth and mapping out stars, mimicking like the
three pyramids of the Giza Plateau, mimicking the stars of
Orion and the energy as above. So below is explains
why they would have just disappeared at the height of
their sophistication. I want to just add one more thing, Randal,
before you jump in. If you look at if you
go down to the unfinished obelisk in Aswan, Egypt, right

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the largest obelisk ever created. We're told that it wasn't
erected because it cracked, it broke, But I propose that
a massive earthquake actually cracked it. And just like we
find in China with the yang Shang Quarry, in the
massive Megolithic block there that was just started to be
cut and then it just was abandoned. And we see
in the ballback Lebanon Quarry as well, these the biggest

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blocks they were ever going to take out and start constructing.
All these sites around the world, it seems like these
cultures reached the height of their sophistication, not the other
way around, and then they mysteriously disappeared. And so I
believe that these events are what has caused that disappearance
of those of these lost civilizations.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Well, these thoughts randall interesting ideas, and I think we
certainly concur on the idea of a cyclicity and civilizations
succumbing to these events. Certainly you've done some thinking about this,
and you know, you've come up with some very interesting ideas.
And yeah, I mean I think that at this point

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it's fair game. I mean, we were need to be
looking at at a lot of different perspectives on this,
on this thing, so I'm willing to entertain these ideas,
you know. I mean, basically what it comes down to
is the idea of a of a remnant star and
whether that could be a binary with our son. And

(01:10:13):
if I get this correctly, now, Matt, you're thinking that
the this that we're looking presuming at a dead core
of a star that went super nova and close enough
to our solar system and it was able to disrupt.
Now you're saying, but this, this dark star was is
a companion. Yes, and it was a companion when it

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went nova.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Yes, But I'm thinking that it had to have been
on appo Helium when it was super nova. Would it
destroyed the entire Solar system?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
That would make sense? Yeah, I mean if it was Yeah,
So it must have been. Let's see, even that being
far removed remote from the Inner Solar System could still
have enormous consequences. Of course, so I'm I'm in you know,
meant that, yeah, if there was a nearby supernova, that, yes,

(01:11:04):
it could definitely have consequences. Now, I had not necessarily thought,
in fact, one of the things that I had thought
would be the thing that could trigger the cascades of
comets from the Outer Solar System to the Inner Solar
System would have been. In fact, that would have been
my most likely candidate, would be a nearby supernova. Interesting, right, Yeah, However,

(01:11:29):
not thinking necessarily that it's in a you know, it's
in a relationship with the Earth, that it's a binary
I haven't really considered that too much. I mean, other
than what I do recall from having read Tom van
Flandrin years ago. But again it's been over twenty years
I think since I read his book. I might just

(01:11:51):
if we take a break, go see if I can
grab it off the shelf, just because I know I've
got a lot of highlighted stuff in there. But yeah,
I mean, I think that's interesting. I'll pull up something here, sure,
just for a second, let's see, Okay, where is did I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Just most he really only talked about the planet companion,
which seems to be a planetary companion of that star.
That's what's interesting about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Huh. All right, let's see here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Now. I'm I'm while you're pulling it up. I'm completely
open with the idea that could be an invader solar system.
I'm that that somehow got close enough that it got
grabbed or I'm under the understanding that it's it was
originally designed as a binary, but then that event occurred,
and then that's what led to that being in the
place that it's in, also in the type of orbit

(01:12:42):
that's in. But I think we just have a lot
more questions than he'd answers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Okay, yeah, are you guys seeing this screen? Okay, so
this is just the zadiacal wheel, and I've marked a
couple of points. I'm here the zero year and then
twenty FIY so this is the present, give or take decades,
and then one cycle ago, and then half that cycle
would have been twelve, nine hundred and sixty. Now using

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the classical traditional numbers here, which are certainly close enough
to the actual tangible numbers, of modern scientific data. But
you can see here. If we start from here and
we go back through, you'll see here here's the sign,
not the constellation, with the sign of pisces Aries Taurus

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Gemini cancer. And then we're back in Leo. And if
we follow this access right through from our present back
thirteen thousand years ago, in round numbers were now right
at the Virgo Leo cusk. And what I've done is
I've gone through all of the literature finding evidence for
dramatic climate change or events. Heinrich events as you see

(01:13:54):
Heinrich Event two and Heinrich Event ten, so they both
roughly coincided with this period, this span of time of
twenty five nine and twenty years ago. If we go
back twenty one hundred and sixty, we'll see that the
Pican Age was interrupted by several events, but the onset

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of the Dark Ages, which was pretty abrupt, the onset
of the Little Ice Age, which was also pretty abrupt.
We go back here at forty three twenty, we're right
within a century of the Bronze Age collapse, and that
was associated with a Heinrich event. And a Heinrich event
is when you have massive discharges of armadels of icebergs,

(01:14:39):
primarily into the North Atlantic because it's coming from the
Laurentide ice sheet that's covering most of Canada and half
of North America. So when those ice sheets grind their
way across the land, they incorporate a lot of the
material as dust and granulated material, pulverized material. It gets

(01:15:02):
broken up material, it gets taken up into the mass
of the ice sheet itself. So when that ice moves
and reaches the coastline, it begins to calve off the
margin of the ice sheet falls into the ocean as
an iceberg. It then begins to float to the south,
and as it floats, it melts. And when it melts,

(01:15:22):
now normally you've got the very almost like fine grained
marls that are forming from the little tiny microscopic creatures
in the ocean that are dying and regularly and causing
thick layers of massive, almost unstratified sediment. And you'll have
those that look to be anywhere from six to twelve

(01:15:44):
thousand years, and then they will be interrupted by a thick,
gravelly layer of course coarse material, and that's material that
has been deposited by icebergs. So you've got these armadas
of icebergs sweeping out into the North Atlantic melting. As
they melt, this debris that's included into the ice mass

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then falls to the ocean bottom and makes a very
distinct layer. And these can be dated. And that's the
Heinrich event. And so when you begin to consider what
a Heinrich event is, the implications are that something really
extraordinary is happening to the planet at that time to
cause these because we're talking about thousands of huge icebergs
being disgorged simultaneously into the ice sheet into the oceans.

(01:16:30):
And then you know, during the end of the Last
Ice Age, I don't know what part of the country
you guys are in, but yeah, there were armadels of
icebergs being swept along in currents like that have now
plowing huge icebergs plowing the ocean bottom because they're so big,
leaving great gouges in the bottom of the ocean, and

(01:16:51):
they're as far south right now, they've been documented all
the way down to Florida in South Carolina. So this
is extraordinary masses of ice being disgorged into the ocean.
So that's one of the things, you know, So there's
a collection of things here. The Alpine Iceman, his deposition

(01:17:12):
in the getting killed and frozen into the ice in
the Alps coincided with what I'm calling here a tripartite
climate spasm that is now well dated to have occurred
right around that interval that he died. Sixty four eighty
coincides within a century or two of the onset of

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what's called the neo glaciation after the hipsothermal warming that
characterized the age of Gemini and Cancer. However, there was
a Heinrich event number six that coincided with this number
right here, and eighty three hundred years ago what's called
the before present eighty three hundred before present cold event.

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And we can go back. See here's the end of
the younger dryest right smack in the middle of Leo.
When we get on this axis, which is the aquarium
Leo axis, we've got Heinrich event four. So this number
twelve nine sixty times three, and we've got the Heinrich
event four twelve nine sixty So twelve nine sixty times

(01:18:17):
five gives us what twelve nine hundred and sixty times five, Yeah,
sixty four tho eight hundred years ago. So there you've
got the Heinrich event seven A and then times seven
which would be plus another twenty five, nine hundred and twenty.
So that's dated right out about ninety thousand years ago.

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So you can see how they're clustered along this line.
This seems to be really.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Aligned with concentrations.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Concentration, yeah, thank you, But you can see they're distributed
around and there's a high correlation between these specific numbers
that have come down to us traditionally, like most of
these numbers have come through us to us ultimately through
the Vedas, but they're also important to the Greeks, and
they were also found Sumerian numbers. The king lists were

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based upon these numbers, and we find them also in
the Mayan cosmological systems. These recurrence of many of these numbers,
So this seems to be a traditional model. Now, what
is driving this kind of thing that you see right here?
And notice again this clustering at basically in round numbers

(01:19:31):
thirteen thousand years, so that does correlate with years. Now,
I haven't detected a twenty thousand year signal, but I'm
not going to discount it and say it's not a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I think thirteen's more likely based on the data, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Agree with you. Yeah, nineteen thousand four. I don't have
anything at that date.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
No. I only said twenty because Harrington believed that he
didn't actually know what the entire rotation to that planet
was around for its apohelion and perihelion, so he was
just giving an estimate of between he said between ten
and twenty. That's what he said. So I'm just I'm
keeping open minded to not being I believe it's thirteen,

(01:20:13):
but I was just sort of keeping open mind here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
What are you saying?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Well, notice that right here in the middle of the
Age of Scorpio was that was the late Glacial maximum,
That was when the last cycle of glaciation was at
its most extreme. But your bracket did like nineteen four forty.
That's pretty close to twenty thousand years. But I don't
have any data points for anything that happened right there.

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Heinrich have got five at twenty one six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
No, I think it's most likely a thirteen thousand. I
think we can both agree that the data points towards
a thirteen thousand year cycle of these events.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah, and I think that there's you'll also notice there
seems to be some clustering here around the age of Taurus,
which is interesting. And then we've got this axis across here,
we've got the late glacial maximum and then thirteenth Notice
so if you come around thirteen thousand years now you're
at the tripartite climate spasm, right and also notice termination

(01:21:13):
of Heinrich event two. Come thirteen thousand years to the
other side, and you've got this a potential air burst.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
So you think it's possible that we're talking about two's
two distinct time period events within a twenty six thousand
year cycle that seemed to occur during different time periods
on a regular basis.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Looks like somewhere, that's what it's looking like, like a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Five like we'll call it, let's call it a between
a forty five hundred and sixty five hundred year cycle
and then and then like a thirteen thousand year cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Yeah, so if you have to, if you have to
thirteen thousand or in this case, the twelve thousand, nine
to sixty, you get the six, four hundred and eighty
and right around again. And these aren't super precise, but
there within a couple of centuries which over geological time
scales is very precise. But yeah, you had the onset

(01:22:07):
of neo glaciation, which see this this period of time here,
not counting the eighty three one hundred before present cold event,
this was a very warm time post that those that millennium,
two millennia, three millennium after the glacier deglaciation was extremely warm.

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And then they right here at about the onset, as
the vernal equinox moved into the against the starfield of Taurus,
you had a rapid cooling.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Of the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
That led to the expansion of glaciers and several other things.
And then twenty one hundred years later you had the
bronze age collapse and associated with a Heinrich event. So yeah,
it's it's possibly some interesting correlations. And but as to
what's driving this, see I kind of look at this,

(01:23:04):
you know, if you say, well, it might be associated
with the professional cycle, because this is these are processional numbers,
and twenty six, nine and sixty or twenty nine and
twenty is you know, within a few decades of what's
usually given as the time period for the professional cycle.
But I'm not saying the processional cycle is driving this

(01:23:27):
I just look at this as a type of a clock.
Something else is driving this, and we may have two
components here, one which is the periodic component, but then
juxtaposed on that might be more random events, which you know,
will kind of muddy the waters a little bit, but
you know, just make it a little bit harder to
perceive the cycles. But you just have to look a

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little harder, and I think they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yeah, that's a that's an awesome model that that data
is incredibly compelling, and I think it just shows us
that the alignment of where the concentrations are of these
events is very difficult to argue with, especially when you're
looking at that nine hundred and sixty year time period,
which seems like I think we both agree that that. Yeah,

(01:24:15):
there certainly are other times when they seem to be
some correlation with events, but overwhelmingly the most significant of
those events seem to be occurring on that twe nine
hundred year time period.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
It seems like that. But you know, this is a
little getting old now. I mean, there's probably new data
points that could be added, and if I had full
time research, spend my time full time doing research, I
may be able to add more data points, and I
suspect that there are more data points because this has
got to be seven or eight years old since I

(01:24:48):
did this, and we've probably got some more precise dating
of the actual events that are listed here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Can I ask you, I'm just very cure you and
Graham and many many others really really talk extensively about
that Younger Dries being an impact event or multiple impact
events we should call it. Do you have any idea
your theory on where those impacts are? I know Graham
has come out and discussed the Greenland impact area, but

(01:25:21):
I'm concerned about that considering the ice cap thickness over
that area and the fact that it seems like that
event occurred much much earlier during a not during Younger Dryas.
So I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on if
you've seen evidence on where the Younger Dryce impact actually
was or in multiple places you could call it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
The answer is yes and yes with your qualification you
just said, because at this point, I think there's evidence
of multiple impacts, and well, let's see if I let's see,
I could probably just show you. I haven't shown this
to a lot of people yet. Let's see if I've

(01:26:04):
got it handy here, it'll take me a second to
pull it up. I can go ahead and pull it
up and show this to you if sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Yeah, we always love to see less love the data.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Absolutely sure.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Okay, so let me just go back to my folder
with my PowerPoint shows.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
While he's looking for that. I just want to quickly
add that one of the most compelling things that I
think Randall brings up for a good comparison to understand
is that rather than the ice age the younger driest,
the Laurentide ice sheet and the European and Siberian ice
sheet melting in a slow rate, and then the fact
that the MegaFon in the Northern Hemisphere disappeared as attributed

(01:26:50):
to over hunting, I think the more the way we
should be looking at this, and maybe Randall agrees, is
that we're talking about a massive extinction event of mega
fauna up in the Northern Hemisphere along the areas of
the ice cap on a much more quick, a much
quicker basis than we're taught in school. That maybe these
events that had led to these distraction and calving off

(01:27:12):
of the ice caps and these massive floods that seem
to have occurred and then refrozen, then reflooded again, especially
like in the Missoula Missoula Flood Lake area, like you
talk about in the in the Northwest United States, is
that these events may come with very very extreme intensity
in certain moments and having these events where it's it

(01:27:35):
happened so quickly that certain like you pointed out, megafauna
just boom like that go extinct because of how extreme
some of these events have been.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Yes, some of them have been a very very extreme
And I'll show you one thing. I think I found
it here. Let's see here there was there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
So in terms of the younger driest, we know that
the proxies are things that you know, since something that
indicates that this thing happened, but you know it's it's
it's like fingerprints. You know, Graham Hancock used the term

(01:28:23):
fingerprints of the Gods for his book. But it's like
fingerprints that you know, we're looking at stuff that you
don't really readily see, just like fingerprints. You don't readily
see fingerprints left on the scene of a crime, but
you have to, you know, use some kind of technological
enhancement to see fingerprints. Right. Well, the same with the

(01:28:43):
proxies of the of say an impact event. And what
I'm gonna do here is I'll pull up something and
we'll take a quick look at an example of impact proxies.
Let me go back to us. Here, there we go, scares.
Here we are all right, let me know if you're

(01:29:05):
seeing this yep, yes, all right. So here each of
these are sites that have preserved impact impact proxies. And
as it says here YDB younger dryest boundary spherals from
eighteen different sites. So these are scanning electron microscope images

(01:29:27):
illustrate the wide variety of size of shapes and microstructures
of the younger dryest boundary spherals. Diameters are in yellow,
so you know you've got forty two micrometers. Here are
microns twenty five. Here this is a little bigger because
this is a conglomerate that looks like look at this
peanut shell one. Now see this is where these microspherrals

(01:29:49):
have been melted and fused together from extreme heat. Right,
extreme heat. Yes, here the extreme heat caused this to
like like in gases that would have been inside this
molten tiny microscopic molten blob would have just burst out.
And you can leave this and you can see here

(01:30:10):
how it's very very clear that it was an outburst.
You see how the the rim is exploded basically. Yeah,
and then this look at these like this picture almost
like a picture of water shape. Look at this here
has a has damage here. This would have been almost
like a microfracture. This would have been like a mechanical

(01:30:32):
fracturing of it. And then you see these creations on it.
Those are from the rapid quenching, from the molten state,
rapidly hardening. As it says, most spherals are rounded, but
there are also dumbbells, bottle shapes, gorge shapes which is
j this is the gord shape, and ovoids, which is

(01:30:54):
pe here's an ovoid. Most small spherals are solid, although
a few are hollow, whereas most large spherals are vesticular
and or hollow. A large number of spherals were cross section.
Let's see here latchat tellariilite, which is a very difficult
one to say. I did practices at one point and

(01:31:17):
I had it down, but now lush, lush, that's not
important anyways. Flow marks are called Schlarin Schlearin right, the
flow marks. You can see the flow marks are in
what creates the surface texture of these things. Here here
you can see flow marks really clearly. These flow marks

(01:31:40):
would require heats of two two hundred degrees centigrade.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Well so vitrification vitrication heat enough to melt quartz and rock.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Yes, yes, they were observed in three sites from sites A,
E and M so A E and AM right here,
many large spherals display accretion with other spherals E, AM
and q SO. Yeah, E M and q so here. Yeah,

(01:32:12):
look at there's fusion going on here where a larger
sphereal had smaller spherals impact into it, and they were
still molten enough that once they impacted into it they
fused together into your next year. Compositions of both spherals
are similar, but occasionally iron rich material, which is represented

(01:32:34):
by thin light colored bands, migrated or accreted to the
outside of the spheral while molten. Some of the spherrials
have high percentages of titanium oxide, inconsistent with anthropogenic but
consistent with impact melting of titano, magnetite or ilmanite. So

(01:32:54):
those are just examples. Then we look here at the
stratigraphic distribution of the microspherals, and you can see that
in all of these cases. Look at where the date
here is twelve point nine here thirteen wow, twelve point
one plus or minus point seven, twelve point nine, thirteen,

(01:33:15):
twelve point eight, thirteen twelve point eight. So yeah, and
look at these these are widely geographically distributed sites. Yeah,
twelve eight, twelve eight, twelve nine, twelve A, twelve nine,
thirteen point three, twelve point nine, thirteen point zero. Now
thirteen point three is probably an outlier. There's something probably

(01:33:35):
that's biased the dating to be a little older. But yeah,
so this is very interesting here. You know, you're abundances
of spherreals by sight plotted on a lower x axis
in numbers per kilogram. That's what's down here relative to
the younger, driest boundary depth at zero centimeters. Scoria like

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object concentration, are the black lines scory alike are going
to be features that are produced in tremendous heat. So anyways, yeah,
this is a very interesting table here, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Can you speak about where those events those locations are
around the Earth? Do I know they have names like
Big Eddie and Blackfill do you have any idea where
those are?

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Well, this is in Syria. Arlington Canyon is on an
island off the coast of California. Let's see Lamel. That's
in Belgium. Big Eddie, I should know where that is.
Blackwater that's in southern New Mexico. Kutzio, that's in Mexico.
Gainey Is I think that's South Carolina. I know Topper

(01:34:48):
is South Carolina. Sheared in Cave. I believe it is Texas,
Murray Springs, me Pennsylvania, Lynda, Let's see kim Obay. It's
easy enough to find out these, but they're quite a
widespread distribution. Of course, this is way back in twenty thirteen,
so there have been additional sites added to this collection.

(01:35:10):
This is just the sites at which these microspheralds had
been found as of twenty and thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Is there a bias on the reason why most of
them the United States?

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Or does that actually there is because this is where
most of the investigation has occurred. Most of the scientists
that have been looking for this, and most of the
sites that had that had samples that could be dated
and examined were from the United States. But for example,
in abohu Aria, the Herrerara. They based upon the studies

(01:35:43):
in the United States, they went back and found some
scientists went back found the younger, driest boundary and took
a look, and sure enough they found the microspheralds.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
So worldwide basically as what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
At this point, we're covering about half the world. But
since then, I know that evidence has been found in
even as far down as Antarctica. So when I when
the papers came out showing that there was US proxies
in Antarctica, I pretty much concluded at that point that yeah,
it's global. It's worldwide. Now that doesn't mean that the

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effects are uniformly distributed over the world, yeah, but but yeah,
it still would have been a global event.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
So now we're kind of winding down to our last
few minutes that we have. I want to get each
of your thoughts on this. Matt mentioned you know magnetic
pull shift, and we know that recently we've seen that
are magnetic north is rapidly moving towards Siberia, and we've

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had an increase in natural occurrences like earthquakes and volcanoes,
and our weather patterns have been changing over the past
few years, and I'm wondering if either of you think
that we could possibly be due for or another world
altering cataclysm within our lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Do you want me to go first?

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
And do you want okay't you go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
All right? So I want to just add Raynal's data
there is incredible. It shows you that clearly we've had
the ability for heat to impact the Earth in such
an extreme way that we see the fusion of rock
in a way where temperature has exceeded two thousand degrees.

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Now that's important because it really doesn't necessarily matter on
the surface whether or not it's just cosmic impacts or
if it's from a massive cural mass ejection that allows
that kind of incredible heat to reach the surface of
the planet in different places, that's important. But really let's
take that off the table for a moment, and let's

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simply consider the fact that let's go to a place
like Luxor, Egypt, with the Colossi of Memnon. We find
these two massive stone statues right that stand in place.
They're still there today. But the interesting aspect of the
Colossi of Memnon is that they both have vitrification or

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melting on the northeast sides, Okay. And that's really interesting
because it shows us that that heat and that event
came from the northeast side, Okay. And we also look
in places like Egypt, Abusir in other areas, we find
other in in Peru as well, we find other vitrification
of some of these megalithic sites that shows that they

(01:38:36):
melted or were scarred by such extreme heat. We're talking
about something on the surface that if humans were there,
they were likely been vaporized. And it's interesting how you
and you see massive underground city areas like darren Coou
that had been built to house over twenty thousand people
with air shafts and these massive stone doorways that could

(01:38:59):
be rolled across to completely block off and allow these
civilizations to exist down there. And it really brings up
the question of these events were so extreme that they
literally would have made the surface of the planet in
a lot of different places completely unlivable and inhospitable to
the fact, to the point where if you were there,

(01:39:19):
you would have just instantly disappeared and died just because
of how extreme those events were, which is why we
so many interesting stories. I mean, Randall's going to be
going down to the southwest United States, and of course
the hope you have great traditions and stories and their
legends about how they were led into underground caves by
the ant people, which I think were just a group
of higher beings or just like eended ascended teachers that

(01:39:43):
led them down into caves to survive these events, which
really echoes the same thought processes, said Darren Coou. So
let's go forward now to our time period where now is.
Chris brought up having said that we're almost exactly thirteen
thousand years ago. Since the younger driest of now, as
Chris has pointed out, magnetic north has been moving rapidly

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towards Siberia. We've seen an increase in vulcanism around the
world to a degree where it's impressive enough that during
our history we have to look at it and wonder
a little bit about it, whether or all these events
are related. We've seen potential salinity changes in the Atlantic
Ocean that some are worried that could disrupt the Gulf

(01:40:25):
Stream with the balance of fresh and salt water. Pointing
towards the fact that these events seem to also have
a major play role with the currents of the world
in relation to ice ice sheet formation, and then the
rapid ending of those time periods to a warmer Earth

(01:40:45):
time period. So when we look at all of that,
we look at the movement of magnetic north, we look
at increase in volcanism, in earthquakes, and climatic changes around
the planet, and of course those are blamed on human activity,
which Randal and I both sort of laugh at looking
at I scores and looking at how we've had rises
and dips in the past history before known industrialization of humans,

(01:41:08):
that is pales in comparison to now. I do firmly
believe that we're in the middle or coming towards one
of these events.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Now, I want to just add to those who may
be very fearful of that statement that I am actually
very optimistic when I've been looking at certain the certain
aspects of how some components of geoengineering of reflecting solar
particles back into space, as well as potentially some things
like nik La Tesla technology that may be being utilized

(01:41:39):
in places like Antarctica with a protecting and affecting the
electromagnetic geomagnetic aspect of the or the balance of the
polls on the earth. I do believe that this is
well known within certain sects of higher government and is
being secretly prevented. And I do believe you look at

(01:42:01):
how the ancient traditions about looking forward into time period
of human history, and how this current time period is
discussed by some ancient cultures like the Maya as being
a civilization that reaches the next stage that maybe potentially
other civilizations have not, And I attribute that to the
idea that we may have certain technologies present to us

(01:42:23):
that no other civilization of these master or law civilizations
had access to, and we may be the first civilization
to prevent our own demise and reset that has ever
occurred here. And that maybe come into the idea of
why Aquarius in this time period of the next fifty
to seventy years may play such a significant role in

(01:42:44):
our story. And so I just want to point out
that I do think that there are certain technologies and
things that are happening right now that may be quietly
being used to prevent the Younger an event that seems
to happen on the thirteen thousand year cycle, and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
It would be very interesting to I think that those
in higher positions of power already knows something is going on,
and it could be attributed to some of the agendas
we see going on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
I don't know what are your thoughts, Randall.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Well, you know I've mixed feelings. My thought is, you know,
I started studying into this kind of stuff literally in
high school. So you know, some of the people that
I used to think knew more than I did about
some of these things are no longer here, and maybe
I'm not quite as impressed now as I was when
I was younger with their accomplishments, although you know, there's

(01:43:36):
many people that I still hold in very high regard,
in high esteem. But I have searched high and low
through the archives for hints and indications that there is
someone who has got this figured out. And I'm not
willing to say ruled out. No, I don't think that
it's possible. In fact, I like to believe that there's still,

(01:43:59):
you know, somebody out there that really knows what's going on,
and sooner or later I might get to meet him
and go, hey, could you explain a few things to me?
But you know, as the years go on and I
get older, I you know, when you're a young man,
you can look forward and you know, Okay, you know
there's older guys out there, well like me who's been

(01:44:19):
studying this shit for a long time, you know, and
I know a few things, probably more than the average bear.
But at the same time, there's a lot of gaps
and holes in my knowledge that I you know, I'm
hoping that I can put some more pieces together while
I still have some time left. But I guess my
point is is the older I've gotten and the more
I learn, the less I'm inclined to believe that there

(01:44:42):
is somebody out there who's got it figured out, only
because when I look at the political leadership we've got now,
I'm like, well, I don't think it's Joe Bide. I
don't think he's got more figured out about this. And
I don't think it's Kamala Harris either or Nancy Pelosi. Now,
these are the three top tiers of American government today.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Puppets.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Yeah, yeah, so But then I go, okay, well, who
are the puppet masters and what did they know? My
thought is they may know a whole lot more about
economics than I do, and in political science perhaps, but
I don't know if they necessarily know more about history
than I do, or about some of these we want

(01:45:26):
to if we want to call them fringe topics, because
within the mainstream framework of thinking to think kind of
things that we look into are considered fringe topics. Now, interestingly,
things that were considered very fringe a couple of decades
ago aren't so fringe anymore. You know, when when the
Younger Drys boundary got proposed in two thousand and seven,

(01:45:48):
there was a whole cadre of scientists that closed ranks
to basically completely discredit the idea. And of course when
you look at it, you can see that there were
political motivations there, and we probably don't have time to
get into all of that right now. And why political
motivation would be find the idea of some kind of
a cosmic event or a cosmic impact to everyone to

(01:46:10):
characterize it being the cause. Because right now, like we've
all just kind of referenced in this conversation, I think
we're all agreeing that, you know, we're being presented now
with a manufactured climate crisis that wants to blame some
We're in the middle of some unprecedented climatic event. Now
that's our fault. And because it's our fault and it's

(01:46:32):
the result of our activity, our activities have to be controlled. That's,
in a nutshell, what this is all about. And you know,
I'm not convinced that those people really know what's going on.
You know, I I'm open if you can present to
me evidence that there is somebody's like, you know, maybe
an underground group, some you know, somebody that you know.

(01:46:56):
And in my mind at this point, yeah, it's probably
got to be some you know, underground base or somebody
on the moon. That's you know, because I go, Okay,
I'm seventy one years old now, and you know, if
I could go for another fifty one hundred years and
keep my intellectual faculties intact, what could I know? What

(01:47:16):
could of Einstein have known? What could any of these
you know, a smart thinking people, intellectual people. How much
could those of us who are thinkers. You know, I'm
not especially smart, but I'm smarter than the average. Okay,
I admit that it's not my arrogance or ego. I'm
just just a simple fact. But okay, if if smart

(01:47:37):
educated people could live for another let's say, double our
modern our present day lifespan and keep our functions intact.
You know, what could we know? I mean, what a
waste I've been thinking, jeez, I'm just getting to the
point where I'm starting to figure things out, and I'm
supposed to be going, wait a minute, now, I've only
got what a couple of decades left at the best.
But on the other hand, listen, there's here's here's we

(01:48:00):
circle back to this idea of the grail and the
idea of restoration, because that is I think a very
real part of this ancient knowledge, Matt, that you were
referring to, and that you know you said we I
forget the words you used, but what was invoking in
my mind was this idea that I've drawn from Biblical studies,
which is the curse, the curse that came upon the

(01:48:23):
human species, that whose manifestation was the expulsion from Paradise
from the garden. And we see that curse replayed again
in the in the Murder of Able by Cain. We
see it again in the in the Great Flood. It's
the curse that comes upon the earth, and it's a curse.

(01:48:43):
I think that ultimately we have the power to break
that curse. And I think that you mentioned several things.
You mentioned Tesla he was onto some things. Victor Schauberger
was onto some things, Wilhelm Reich was onto some things.
Other researchers have been onto things that I think each
one of these is like a strand of the thread

(01:49:05):
that if we weave it together, we're going to see
this tapestry of our own past. And again the grail,
I think is now a symbol for that lost technology
and circling back to that. And then I'll mention you know,
that's going to be the theme that unites these two
weekends from Easter weekend to Earth Day weekend and the
excursions that we're going to take into Hope Land and

(01:49:27):
some very interesting places in the interim pictographic places rock
art that's normally not accessible to the public. But we're
in a privileged position because you know, a lot of
these tribes are concerned that they're young people, they're young millennials,
aren't going to necessarily effectively carry on their traditional stories,

(01:49:49):
and so they're more open now than they were a
generation ago to sharing their stories with outsiders. So I'm
privileged to be in a position where we're going to
have attending this these this two weekends of events in Sedona,
both a Hopey storyteller and a Zuni storyteller. Ends you're
doing that, yeah, and I will just share. Let's see here.

(01:50:10):
What have I got here? Do I have all? Share?
How much time we got left? Chris? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Go forward?

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
I want to say, while you're pulling that up, it
was definitely an honor to have these two generations of
amazing researchers here tonight to share their knowledge and insights
into our incredible history that's been hidden.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
And this is what we need.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
We need more discussions like this going forward, and this
is the only way we're going to find out the
truth about our hidden history. And I want to thank
both of you, gentlemen, for taking the time to do
this again tonight. This was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Well thanks for hosting it, Chris. I've enjoyed I think
this is our third time together, is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Thirty fourth one of those?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I've enjoyed it, and I'm sure you've
got a great audience, and i'd like to invite people
check out. You can go to Randallcarlson dot com or
you can go if you'll see here world Views with
a Zmedia dot Com. That's Robert Dakota who's organizing the event.

(01:51:16):
But there's a whole bunch of stuff going on with
some really cool people, and if you go here you
can find out more about it. Obviously, this is me,
and that's Graham Hancock, and this is George Howard. As
I said, he's one of the leading researchers on younger,
dryest catastrophism in the world today. And we're going to
be there sharing ideas, and we've got some really incredible guests.

(01:51:40):
Spencer Taylor, a young man who's just finished seven years
post production right now of his documentary called The End
of Recess, which is about the basically the collapse and
demise of modern education and alternatives. So that's going to
be a big part of the theme of the two weekends.

(01:52:01):
We've got Dave Mathieson who's coming in, who's showing how
all of the ancient planet star Wars all synthesized into
a grand integral scheme of things. It's truly amazing stuff.
So we will be getting out under the night sky
with him while he tells us and brings into starlar
from ancient cultures from all over the world and shows
these remarkable parallels between ancient how ancient people interpreted the sky,

(01:52:29):
so who else a number of other people. It's going
to be very interesting and there's a you know, the
whole thing. Maybe I don't know. To me, it's not
expensive because but it's Sedona, Arizona. We're going to be
at a couple of really cool places where we're going
to be staying Poco Diablo in Sedona. But there's multiple packages,

(01:52:50):
and there's also going to be a live stream. We're
going to live stream the thing, so if you can't
actually get there in person, there's going to be a
live stream, and if you if you've signed up for
one weekend, you get the live stream for both weekends forever,
so that's kind of a cool deal. But yeah, there's
different different options available, so just check it out, and

(01:53:14):
you know, if you can't get there, then do the
live stream and it's going to be it's gonna be
a jam packed. It's going to be a really concentrated
dose of information and we're hoping that out of this,
we're really trying to galvanize a global movement here and
that's kind of ultimately what this is all about, and

(01:53:36):
what a great place to for a launch pad, Sidona, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
I appreciate you fostering that collaboration of great minds to
come together to create this synergy of changing the consciousness
and the planet to start looking at all of this
in a different light. So thank you Randall.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Hey, you're welcome. Listen. I can't think of anything to
me more interesting and fun to do than that, so
me either.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
I agree exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
This has been fantastic. I want to, like I said,
thank you gentlemen both again for coming on taking time
to do this.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
This is what we need more of.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
We need more meetings of these wonderful minds to get
more of our information about our hidden past, like I said,
and I hope that maybe we can do this sometime
again in the near future because this was awesome, and
I think we merely scratch a surface of some of
this stuff. There's so much more we could cover.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Yeah, I'll say quickly that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Yeah, I want people to just Randallcarlton dot com. We'll
get you to my website because we are actively looking
for the prime, perfect piece of real estate to launch
the first prototype. And it's this is where we're in fact,
even it's gotten the interest has grown to the point

(01:54:52):
now where we're probably gonna have to We're going to
do too. You know, I've been a builder for four decades,
and I built millions, millions of dollars of buildings and
scattered for a whole bunch of owners, scattered all over.
And now I want to bring it all together and
put all of the things that I've learned about sacred
geometry and sacred architecture and the ancient template, bring all

(01:55:17):
of that together, fused with modern technology, and begin to build.
Because I believe that there are times in history, just
like you were talking about, Matthews, these periodic times where
there's catastrophes. I think there's periodic times where there's concentrated
regeneration of things. We can go back to the you know,

(01:55:39):
to the eleven twelve hundreds, and we see like suddenly
the whole of Europe comes together to build these great
monuments to the glory of man in God, right, these
great cathedrals.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
He's leaps, right, these great leaps leaps.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
Yes, I think we're standing on the threshold right now
of a leap. And part of what this seminar and
this conference is about is what is going to be
our cathedrals, for our age, for our generation. What do
we do to carry on this great work that goes back.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
To the dawn of history and beyond standing in the
backs of giants?

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Truly, when we pick up our trial, that's what it's about.
It's time once again to pick up the trial and
go to work.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
I love that. That's really beautiful, Randal, And can I
just say thank you so much Chris for hosting this.
It's been truly an honor to work with you. Randall.
I really appreciate everything you're doing, and I appreciate the
knowledge that you've obtained over so many, countless years of studying.
So thank you so much for all you're doing to
contribute to our story and the human race. Because you
are people like you are integral into this age of

(01:56:42):
moving into these leaps of higher consciousness. When hey, if
we can survive and get through one of these resets,
who knows where the human story can go. What is
the potential of our story and in the potential of us?

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
What is the potential? And I say that the potential
is beyond anything we're almost even capable of imagining at
this point, and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
We truly will become gods, just like we've always studied
all along from the very past. So I just want
to say thank you so much, Chris, and for anyone
interested in my work, you can find mine at the
stage of time dot com or my YouTube channel Matthew Lacroix.
And I truly hope that Randal, you and I can
have another conversation in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Yeah, well, hey man, we should hang out in the field.
I'd love to take you out and begin to reveal
the hidden messages of the landscape to you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
That would be awesome. I'm in Colorado, so I'm not
that far and perhaps we can meet up sometime. They'd
be truly an honor to work with you again.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Oh, that would be great. Yeah. Well, there's places right
in Colorado we could go visit and show you things
and yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Let's do it absolutely anytime, Randal. I'm available anytime for you,
my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
All right, sure, And I might try and make it
out to your event there in Sedona. I'm in Colorado
as well, and you know, I'd love to give you
some publicity for it as well, So that'd be great.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Yeah, I mean, this is really I also mentioned that
this is a fundraiser. I mean, the money we make
off this is going into the pool. That's going to
be Ah, we've got a heavy rainstorm just just came
in here as you guys were talking. As Chris was talking,
I heard the thunder. Yeah, that was very impressive, Chris.

(01:58:15):
So but my point is this is going to be
a fundraiser and the people who are interested will be
having a newsletter. I have a newsletter that goes out
every month that kind of to keep people up, but
we're going to have a special focused newsletter to anybody
who's interested in this specific project. So as we're going
out to scout Land, for example, for looking for sites

(01:58:35):
for this place, we'll do a newsletter talking about this
to keep people up to speed on what we're doing.
If we go ahead and we you know, get we
purchase a piece of land, and we're going to explain
the whole process right from the beginning doing the geomantic
survey to set putting the pole on the ground, the omphalos,

(01:58:55):
laying out the cosmic angles, creating the juxtaposing of the
cosm mctemplate on the land, and then how we create
using sacred geometry, the infrastructure to emerge from the earth
almost as an organic living thing, and then that will
be the place where people can now come together and
share their minds and thoughts and so.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
On, bring the great mystery schools back once again.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
Right, Yes, you nailed it. That's it, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
I love that man. That is fantastic. Well, like I said, gentlemen,
we are going to have to do this again. We
barely scratch the surface of some of this stuff. So
I'd love to speak with both of you again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Matt, I know we'll be talking.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
In the future. Absolutely, Yes, definitely, this was great. Until
next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We will be
talking again tomorrow as well. Today I want to wocome
Rob Yucks. He is a researcher, historian, international speaker, conspiracy investigator,
paranol investigator, and broadcast and podcast host. He is also

(01:59:57):
the founder and creator Full Spectrum Universe. Through his research
on indigenous cultures from a world, occult and esoteric, as
well as ancient spiritual teachings, contact and conspiracy investigations, He's
taken a multifaceted approach to explore his awareness and perception
of reality.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
Rob, Welcome, how you doing, Hey, what's going on, my friend.
I'm so good. I'm so good.

Speaker 5 (02:00:22):
I'm so happy to be here. An honor and a
reprivit to be sitting on this stage at you and really,
you know, conversing with you. I think this is an
amazing channel doing amazing work, and I'm just so honored
and happy to be here.

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
Yeah, gat have you, like I.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Said, been looking forward to this?

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Your research so many of my favorite topics, you know,
from indigenous cultures, ancient spirituality, to esoteric and occult studies
and contact experiences and modern conspiracies, and I'm much more.
We can go in so many fun directions tonight, but
this is your first time on. Let's start with more
about you. Uh, tell us a little bit more about yourself,

(02:00:58):
your research and what lets.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
You to it well.

Speaker 5 (02:01:02):
For me, talking about me is always, you know, a
little hard, but because you know, we're always hosts and
we kind of get into everybody else. But I'll give
it a shot. And one of the things that really
drew me sort of all this extra research was I
was always a history buff, loved history. Looking through history,
A lot of it didn't make sense. There was gaps

(02:01:23):
and there was things missing, and full contact, like, you know,
I really have to understand. And then I started to
kind of spot these patterns where it looked like stories
were being tailored in specific ways so we could they
could just be a narrative or they could prove something
that it might not be. And I was kind of
looking for like a more robust understanding of it. And

(02:01:45):
along the way, I kind of gotten to where, you know,
the rubber meets the road, where we're talking about specific
points in hist where there has been potential contact through
UFO or extraterrestrial contact, and that kind of led me
down to like the uthology side of things. And once
I got there, I was like, this is inco the
whole world opened up, you know. So when the whole

(02:02:08):
world opened up like that, what I did was I
kind of kept going a little bit further. I would
try and consume everything I possibly could to make sure
that I was understanding each and every topic completely, you know, completely,
fully every angle. And I kind of was going about
it in the wrong way because I think I needed
to read more and kind of create my own understanding

(02:02:31):
of what those situations are at least those contacts mean
to people while they tell me their side and me
trying to give it more of like an analytical logical,
you know, aspect of it. So one of the things
that I also got into after that was a lot
of spirituality. With the contact came that spirituality aspect, and
then that kind of intrigued me for a long time.

(02:02:52):
And now I'm really down that that consciousness path. We do,
me and my from Omar from Watressalk, we do consciousness
based events. We did the largest event last year online
of one hundred and twenty one scares over eleven days.
It was just a grueling, grueling conference, but it was
a lot of fun. We learned a lot. And from there,
I mean, I had worked with a lot of these

(02:03:13):
people who had shows, and I thought to myself, you know,
maybe it's time, especially when we were, you know, locked
in for so long. I decided to kind of transfer
my energy and I was like, let me try my
own show. And I started to create and really put
things together. I started taking video editing very seriously. And
I also got into indigenous peoples because I felt a

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lot of that spirituality came from the fundamentals that indigenous
peoples gave us. So people like Steven and Evan Strong
were really really driving force in my understanding of where
humanity physically started or where they comforts out of Australia.
Most people would say out of Africa. I kind of
believe it's out of Australia. And from Australia, a lot

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of these indigenous cultures spread out across the world, and
they have ever proof, they have skeletons, they have metallurgy
that that these rings that look like they could have
been from Atlantis or somewhere else. And it was a
really wild night. But what that did is it kind
of gave me a lot of focus on the ceremonial,

(02:04:16):
ritualistic aspects, but also the spiritual connection and the symbiosis
to the planet and each other and those indigenous people's
kind of pass and preach. So I went down that
rabbit hope for a long time. And you know, now
being in Indigenous studies for probably three years now, I've
just I feel like I've changed as a person. But

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it's also reaped a little bit of benefit too. Paul
Wallace just finished up the last book in the Eden series.
I helped put a lot of that research together, and
you know, I think very well right now on Amazon.
But it was a lot of fun, and just to
be mentioned in a book like that with an author
of that Caliper, it was just it was one of
the best points in my life.

Speaker 4 (02:04:55):
I was just so happy about it. Man, that's great.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
Now, I think that would be a good place to
start with. Is your research into indigenous peoples? Where did
you start when it comes to that specific aspect of
your research?

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
I start with the Iroquois.

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
Now, I am Italian and German with a very small
small sliver of Native American in me, and I tried
to figure out my own heritage in that aspect. So
I first went through at Emily Tree. I found out
that we were Iroquois. It was you know, the Five Nations.
Eventually it was really the Six Nations. It was just
it was so much fun to dive into the creation story.

(02:05:37):
I did a presentation at one of the events on
a creation story and how that creation story kind of
coincided along with the Aboriginals and the African Bushman indigenous peoples,
and how these narratives and this comparative mythology really kind
of clicked together so the story goes as and actually
in that presentation I make relevance to a Bible as well.

(02:05:59):
And one of the things that the Indigenous people show
that there's the masculine and the feminine, and when we
get into the feminine side of that kind of that
mythological hierarchy, the creator of what we are is you know,
the sye woman or the wind woman some people call it,
and you know, there's a great spirit is kind of

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her counterpart, and she breeds life to daughters eventually that actually,
I'm sorry, two sons, and then the sons have daughters
and they become the food. That and that great connection
you know, the corn, the maize, and I think it's
the wheat is the three of them. And that actually
leads to the story which can be found on almost

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every ancient every ancient civilization about the Seven Sisters and
the Ple eightes, because it think is kind of coincides
back to that seven sisters, which is the water, the rain,
the sea, the river, I could name all of them,
but you know, and I think that they the people

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that they talk about, the gods, the myths, the heroes,
they are prevalent and all other cultures going forward from
those points. So it was a great starting point for me.
Mean and one of the things I loved is I
had a character any Iroquois called the Hero, and it
was an actual title. It wasn't you know, usually somebody's
name would be hero, but this was at the time

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an actual title that was given to people who brought
peace and justice, especially when you know colonization was happening,
and that was a great story to go on.

Speaker 4 (02:07:30):
And you know, there's just so much information run into.

Speaker 5 (02:07:33):
My head right now, but I just love the fact
that they use, you know, the ceremonies to kind of
move that that your consciousness pattern forward as we go.
Like you know, when you're a young child, you get
you gather and they give you some sort of a
ritualistic ceremony. Then when you get to hunt, you get

(02:07:53):
to do it again, and then when you're a warrior,
you do it again. And those are kind of like
fermenting your levels inside of society. And we actually do
that now too without really thinking about it. You know,
in the Catholic Church's communion, confirmation, marriage, and then so
on and so forth. You know, in the actual rights
of society, there's a regular schooling in the very beginning.

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Then there's high school, college, master's doctorate, so there's a
lot of ciation that we don't even really know that
we go through, and we will kind of take it
as a perspective of how our consciousness grows to each
of those aspects. We kind of get to this point
where it's like, Wow, we really do have a very
very similar path and pattern as to the people who
came before us.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Yeah, and you mentioned the kind of similarities even across
the ocean on the different side of the planet between
some of these cultures and spiritual beliefs. Maybe you could
get into a little bit more of that and what
you found as some of the more significant similarities, especially
when it comes to possibly the beings these intert these

(02:09:00):
our ancestors interacted with. There's always stories of beings from
the sky and beings from below the ground.

Speaker 5 (02:09:06):
Right, absolutely, absolutely one of the things. You know, I'm
going to start small and I'm going to kind of
gradually pull out. So the Iroquois people and this is
kind of how I found my chain to those beings
and forming those connections that comparative mythology the Iroquois people
and the Cherokee people, while they were both on opposite
sides of the United States, Iroquois to the north Cherokee

(02:09:30):
to the South. Linguistically, it was like they came from
sane people. That's how similar linguistics and ceremony and mythology
was between the two tribes.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
Both of those tribes came from the West.

Speaker 5 (02:09:42):
And this is kind of how I backtrack to Australia
and go, okay, now there's something going on with Australia
that we really have to look at. And all of
them talked about sky people. Sky people were not the gods.
Sky people were a set of a subset of gods.
And when we go west, we get to the Hopie
who saw a subset of gods to actual gods. They

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were the actual star people, and they came down and
gave them all different types of technology. They could do
all different types of things, and all different types of
craft came down. They would call them birds that were
on fire, like a phoenix to a dragon, even though
you know, they didn't really.

Speaker 4 (02:10:18):
Even know what a dragon was at the time.

Speaker 5 (02:10:20):
They just kind of set a long lizard with a
flame coming out of its front end back, which was
kind of strange. You know, if you try and take
the picture of it, you're like, is that going up
or what's happening there. But you know, now when we
go back to the Aboriginal people in dream time, they
were not just visited by extraterrestrial they were visiting being

(02:10:42):
visited by ultradimensional best trying to give them guidance on
their path. And if we go back to Iroquois, they
also have a form of dream time and the spirit walk,
which is where they do the ceremony where they deprived
themselves of almost every nutrient that they possibly can think
of for a certain amount of time, and then they
smoked specific tobaccos and in combination and they kind of

(02:11:05):
go into this really high, highly elevated state where if
a Ahlaska or Peote was involved, it can get that
way too, But you know a lot of it was
from deprivation when they were like on the brink of
almost having an NDE and they kind of encounter all
different types of beings. So you know, the African bushmen
talk about star people too, but they came from They

(02:11:28):
came from the stars and ended up going underground in
some of their stories and then coming back out later.
Or you know, there's there's a tribe in Africa that's
more towards Ethiopia and they had beans that were coming
out of the water but in craft and they were landing,
and there's specific and Paul Wallace talked about this really well, he's.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
You know, he's fantastic when he says it.

Speaker 5 (02:11:52):
But there's specific tribes even to this day that are modernized.
But know that specific people get taken away as points
and it's these underwater beings and they take them into
some underwater get underwater base and bring them back two
or three years later. And so many people in these
towns have recorded the same types of uh, you know,

(02:12:15):
the same types of occurrences, and it's kind of like,
you know, sometimes the people who are like critics or
they sayers will be like, well, that's kind of like
rum Springer for the Amish. They get to run out
into town for a while and then come back. But
they they talk about these almost lizard like style beings
that literally teach them as they're down there too. And
all these people that come back completely changed, and you know,

(02:12:37):
that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:12:39):
Of the a lot of the.

Speaker 5 (02:12:42):
The these types of beings are not classified to the
same level as like the Great Spirit or the Skywoman.
But even you know, talking about the sky Woman that
sounds like an entity itself, you know. And there's also
some of the you know, some of the African bush
creation stories is well, there's a woman who comes from

(02:13:03):
this whole great hole where there's basically the tree of
life and knowledge is ripped up.

Speaker 4 (02:13:07):
It's one tree, tree of life and knowledge. They rip
it up.

Speaker 5 (02:13:10):
There's a big hole in the sky and they all
come down. She down, and she walks into the caves.
And when she walks into the cave, she breathes life
to the bugs, breathes life into the animals, and then
she finally needs somebody to help her tell the land,
and that's when she brings humans to you know, to power.
But there's so many different sides to these stories that

(02:13:31):
we can look at it. You know, if we look
at that towards the Bible or the Iroquois towards the Bible,
there's similarities. And that's one of the reasons why now
a little what I'm doing is that comparative mythology, because
we can track these entities throughout time. Throughout time, Samerian
kings list up to you know, the times of King Arthur.

(02:13:51):
I've done one such entity by the name of Iana.
Iana was the granddaughter of a.

Speaker 3 (02:14:00):
Marian.

Speaker 5 (02:14:01):
He's like a Samaran pharaoh, but he was seen as
a god. He was a pharaoh in Samarian. And essentially
what this woman did was she lived for so long
that you find her in Phoenician writing, you find her
in Egyptian writing, and then you've also find her all
like I said, all the way up to where she
actually lands in Ireland. Wlan's in Ireland, she basically is

(02:14:25):
seen as somebody way different because she's darker a few
and the people who Cumberland, actually the Druids of Ireland
had a tremendous connection with the Phoenicians. So from Ireland
she goes to England and then she becomes Morgan le Fay,
and Morgan la Face has these powers and even up
to like these you know when we look at comic books,

(02:14:45):
they're kind of like art imitating life and wonder woman.

Speaker 4 (02:14:48):
Her name is Diana, not Iana, but Diana.

Speaker 5 (02:14:52):
And she's a representation of this god and she's an
Amazonian that can fight, and this Iana is seen as
the god of war and the goddess of love at
the same time. It's just really wild, but it's just
so much that goes into the mythologies.

Speaker 4 (02:15:07):
I love it. I love yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
And that particular aspect of individuals or people or entities
that could be appearing throughout different stories, throughout history, throughout
different periods of time, just because that they have the
ability or that long of a lifespan. That's really interesting.
Now I do want to talk a little bit about that,

(02:15:28):
but first I want to get to the advanced aspects
of our ancient ancestors and these indigenous peoples. You know,
most people don't think of them to be too advance,
but when you think about their knowledge of the stars, agriculture, spirituality,
what they were doing with ceremonies, the plant medicines that
they've were making, everything seem it was highly advanced. It's

(02:15:51):
just not the type of advancement that we're used to.
Probably much more efficient, much more peaceful, and they probably
lived under a much better aspects of society that way.

Speaker 5 (02:16:04):
Absolutely, you know, this is something that I firmly believe.
This isn't proven, but this is kind of something that
I've garnered to be a truthful type of for me.
I've looked at evidence of it, but it doesn't make
sense to say that it's definite. You know what I mean,
but there's something on this planet called the Yuga cycles,
and the Yuga cycle is essentially every twenty six.

Speaker 4 (02:16:25):
Thousand and third years.

Speaker 5 (02:16:27):
And in the middle of every Yuga cycle mankind And
this goes back to the seven root races, right, So
we have all these different races that each live in
a Yuga cycle or a half of a Yuga cycle.
So in the middle of every Yuga cycle, man goes
through some sort of tribulation where he either flourishes like
a wintess did and then gets to the end of

(02:16:47):
his cycle. And then again, of course he has to
go against that you know, that catastrophic event at the
twelve thousand year mark, even though you know you can
last a whole Yuga cycle, but then you're going to
go through two of those events. Right, So mankind is
either thrust forward in the middle of each Yuga cycle
to be technological.

Speaker 4 (02:17:06):
Bastion of whatever whatever it needs, creation and energy, whatever
it is.

Speaker 5 (02:17:11):
Or get knocked back to the Stone Age. And when
I get knocked back to the Stone Age, now we're
primitive people again. IMP pulses can take out. We know
right now we could be living in the Stone Age tomorrow.
IMP pulse comes boom, everything's gone. Nothing works, cars don't work,
computers don't work. Everything is back to sticks and rocks,
and we got to build fires and really do things,

(02:17:33):
you know like that. And I truly believe that every
one of those Root races had to encounter somewhat similar
but different style cycles where they either had flourish or
get knocked back. And I think the beginning and if
you notice a lot of mainstream media only goes back,
like the mainstream history is back twelve thousand years. So

(02:17:54):
kind of coincidence with that, you know, line and Sumerians
and the Native Americans, but they've already dun't it a
little bit with the Bosnian pyramids and the footprints found
in New Mexico that were twenty four thousand years old.
But it could have been, you know, it could have
been a previous Root racer, you know, well, whatever it
might be. I think we're on the seventh Root race now,

(02:18:15):
six or seven. I'm not the Root races, but I
truly believe that that's what happens. So if that happens
and there's not catastrophe, the deluge, the ice age, all
those different things, you know, they were all catastrophes, something
gets left over, whether it be the knowledge that the
people had, or some of the tech that could potentially

(02:18:38):
be there, or whatever they can scrounge up. Do believe
that the beginning civilizations of this cycle had superior technology
in the sense of knowledge or actual tech right than
do we do right now?

Speaker 1 (02:18:53):
Yeah, and you're right, there's there's no way to tell
actually how many times we've been reset through out history
and had to start over as a human sization. And
there's you know, more evidence coming out recently from people
doing research that why we might have haven't even had
a major catastrophe within the past few hundred years that

(02:19:15):
have might have completely changed in our erase the past.

Speaker 4 (02:19:19):
History that we've known.

Speaker 1 (02:19:21):
But that's a that's a gally different show. I want
to go back to what you were saying about people
that we can look at throughout history and ancient x
that might indicate that they have lived for an extremely
long time and been around and possibly have been worshiped
as what was considered gods. You just you mentioned one

(02:19:42):
individual earlier. Who else can we look at that's really
might stand out and one who's kind of time traveled.

Speaker 5 (02:19:49):
Well again, Ayana is coincidentally close to Merlin, and there's
somebody that we can find for a probably three four
thousand year and he's for a very long time in text,
right God, No, Marlin was actually really or not.

Speaker 4 (02:20:06):
But we see this with the transition of specific gods.
We see Zeus, Saturn and then also Odin. They they
transcend these these timelines.

Speaker 5 (02:20:16):
But there's more characters in the sense of of Osiris
is seen in so many different ways, so many different ways,
from Egypt all the way up to all these different
even even mentioned in referenced towards the Bible in later
years we get into it.

Speaker 4 (02:20:34):
I have to pull a text up to tell you exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:20:36):
Where it is, but I have seen it in there
and a lot of these you know, a lot of
these people that a lot of these people that we
look at.

Speaker 4 (02:20:44):
What we're doing is we're looking at characteristic traits.

Speaker 5 (02:20:46):
They they can change a story, you know, we see
you know, just go back to ianor reclick to kind
of give you a little bit of a uh, you know,
an example in the very beginning, she was very nice.
And as time goes on, and I believe that they're
by them themselves for so long, they've become bitter and
angry because they're losing people or some certain circumstances. You know,

(02:21:13):
I've done a lot with Ianis so far. A lot
of the other ones I haven't gotten there yet because
the comparative mythology is something that's kind of new for me.
But you know, I know that there are so many
out there, especially when we look at the Bible. Some
of the reference in the Bible talk about Moses and
Abra and Abraham living for you know, but the first

(02:21:33):
the first few people with nine hundred, six hundred, fourteen
hundred years, there's something there in their in their genome
that's letting them live that long.

Speaker 4 (02:21:45):
So are they hybrid?

Speaker 5 (02:21:46):
Are they some sort of different style type of human
that was created or evolved?

Speaker 4 (02:21:53):
Do we know?

Speaker 5 (02:21:54):
But you know a lot of these are so many
symbols of them. And it's funny because a lot of
them come up in like comic books now and kind
of these mythological people, but they're believed to be real
people at one time. And that's one of things that
you struggle with too with mythology, is were these real
people or were these kind of representations of something? And

(02:22:16):
I do believe that most were real people. They were
real either real you know, kings or sovereignty that was
looked at as God, extraterrestrials, ultra dimensionals, you know, just everything.
It was so many it runs the gambit. So there's
a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
Oh yeah, now we like, like I said earlier, we
got so much to cover, and you just mentioned extraterrestrials
and interdimensionals, and this of course is one of the
big topics that I cover. It's one of my favorites,
and it's one that is also my perception of has
it changed very vastly over the years since I first

(02:22:53):
started looking at it, and it's probably going to change
a million more times as time goes on. But as
of now, my perception is very different from even I say,
last year, from the time you started looking into extraterrestrials
or interdemental beings. How has your perception of what these

(02:23:13):
things are changed, if.

Speaker 5 (02:23:15):
Any, tremendously tremendously, Just like yourself, I did believe that
there might, you know, I don't know, there's no definite
for me, like as if they're physical, they're not physical.
But I believe now that when I first started it
was definitely some sort of physical being coming down doing
its detch or you know, taking taking it sells or

(02:23:38):
creating some sort of hybrid and then jet now and
now I think that there is more of a consciousness
connection to it.

Speaker 4 (02:23:46):
One. Two, I think that.

Speaker 5 (02:23:48):
There are more more ether real styles in which that
they can come in contact. Also, I think that there
is a lot that we still don't know in this
sense of transferms of co bousness and your consciousness goes
to the ship, but you're really here, but they can
still take physical selves.

Speaker 4 (02:24:05):
From you somehow.

Speaker 5 (02:24:06):
I mean for me, it opened up a lot. It's
opened up a lot. And looking at the different different
I guess sea sheees or different races that are out there,
and how they've actually interacted with people, I think shows
a little bit more too of how there is this
there is this knowledge that we still have yet to hover.

(02:24:28):
That's that's the definitive of what they truly are.

Speaker 4 (02:24:32):
But I believe that.

Speaker 5 (02:24:33):
But when I first started, I was like, they definitely
came from out of space. Then for a little while
I was like, well, maybe they came from the future
and their genetic cells are just so run down that
now they're coming back to try and get some of
the extra you know, some of those genes and that
genetics to hype up their manipulation of those vessels later
on down the road. And then I was like, well,

(02:24:55):
maybe they're they're creating port and your metaphi traveling through
a portal, and now you're speaking with them from somewhere
off in a distance that you never even left your bed.
So it's been like this transition, and I think that
they're all true. I think that you can get and
one of those types of contact now. And also, I'll
tell you this story. My fiance is not very into ufology.

(02:25:22):
I was doing an event with my friend Omark called
Total Disclosure, and I have never had any contact until
that moment. And it wasn't contact in the sense of
they communicated to me, but I saw it. So we're
standing outside and she's not into, like I said, not
into this lifestyle, really delving into it. And we look

(02:25:44):
up and we see a light and it looks like
a star, that's how far away it is. And a
light gets a little bit bigger, a little bit bigger,
and then it shoots like straight over our heads and
just gone. And I was like, whoa, what was it?
She saw it too, and she goes, I have no
friggin idea what that was, And I was like, that

(02:26:05):
was wild. And then at first, you know, you sit
there and you're looking at it, You're like, was that
but not, I'm not sure. In the next thirty minutes,
I counted seven different airplane or seven different jets circling
or triangling around that vicinity. And I don't live near
an airport, so that kind of air traffic is not
common at all ever, and it's like something was going

(02:26:29):
down and here's the kick too. I've always wanted her
to kind of be involved in that community. So did
my consciousness kind of kind of project that message out
to them and say, look, you want to help me
out and show my fiancee.

Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
A little bit of what you guys could do.

Speaker 5 (02:26:43):
Was that me And also I was holding an event
called total Disclosure. You know, when the government was supposed
to come out with their disclosure. We ran one back
to back with it, so we knew we weren't going
to get anythings from the government. Wanted to bring on
people with contact and information about that contact. So it
was right before that and it was like they kind
of gave me like that head nod, like go ahead, man,

(02:27:05):
like you're gonna do the event.

Speaker 4 (02:27:06):
It's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:27:07):
And then two weeks after the event, I'm in Texas
and I look up and I see the same thing again.
This time I'm about myself, but I saw it again,
and that was after the conference, so I'm like, well,
maybe they came back to be like all right, dude,
you did all right, and gave me another head nod
and kind of went on its way, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:27:24):
But it was that for me was like just that
was the only contact I've ever had.

Speaker 5 (02:27:27):
I've talked to a million people who I've had contact,
and I was always like, why why don't I ever
get the contact?

Speaker 4 (02:27:34):
Why don't they ever contact to me? What's going on?

Speaker 5 (02:27:37):
Am I supposed to sit on the outside here and
just kind of, you know, be the ultimate outsider, like
I call myself and not get that contact and just
poured on it. But then it happened and it was
like wild. But the fact that we had it together
was really special for me. I don't know how she
feels about it, but for me, it was like that's
the wonder of what would I do? And looking into

(02:27:57):
certain topics and that's you know, finding that need in
the haystock. When you're doing research, you're like, yes, I
found that connection. Let's let's go, you know, and it
was it was incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:28:09):
Yeah, you mentioned the mainstream disclosure thing and that of course,
if you know, if you've listened to me for any
amount of time, you know how I feel about it.
I don't trust anything coming in from our mainstream media
or our government. These government letter agencies that are trying
to push different types of people into the forefront. They're

(02:28:32):
trying to put people into this community and kind of
insert them and get their agendas in narratives, and I
think cause a lot of confusion in what's going on.
And mixed in with that, we have plenty of people
that are coming into this community just to cause confusion
or your own notoriety in certain ways. But as far

(02:28:53):
as the mainstream and our government and the media and
the connections there, what do you think.

Speaker 4 (02:28:57):
Is going on.

Speaker 5 (02:28:58):
It's definitely infiltrate And and you know, this kind of
goes to like my esoteric and the occult and how
they use fear to propagate other operations that they have,
And I think that this is one of the ways
that it was becoming morbignan, and people wanted to kind
of know and really understand it, even even in the

(02:29:19):
sense of the community that we're a part of. You know,
it was it was steadily growing, but then all of
a sudden with the mension of it, it kind of
lead like popped. The bubble popped, and now it's just
everybody rushing in to see what's going on. And I
think that they definitely infiltrated to create that confusion, to
propagate cover stories, to really generate a fear based campaign

(02:29:46):
on UFI. They wanted to be fearful. They're coming, They're
going to kill you. It's going to be the end all,
be all, and we need to prepare. And that sentiment,
to me doesn't make sense because we wouldn't be here
if they really wanted us gone, right, Maybe some out

(02:30:06):
there don't want us to be here. But there's something
else going on behind the scenes that I'm not privy
to because we are here right now. Maybe maybe well
you can get to that projection of reality later. But
you know, from what I understand, and I really think
that there's a lot of money to be made in
this industry, and it seems to be everything to everybody.

(02:30:32):
One of the things that I personally live by is
I'm here for the information. Like if I can make
monetization a sponsor, that's cool, But I'm not pushed to
be a millionaire. My job is to you know, when
I listen to my ancestors, they're telling me created database.
We put the paintings on the walls. You have to

(02:30:55):
do the same for the next generation. That's the mission.
That's my mission. I have to put this information out there. Now,
i's like to make it sustainable living out of it.
I'm cool with that too. But these people are gouging
for notoriety and fame as.

Speaker 4 (02:31:09):
Well with it.

Speaker 5 (02:31:10):
And it's so prevalent that there's people out there who
come up with these fantastical stories. And I understand that
some of the fantastical stories might be true, but there
are people that are literally making things up to try
and garner that recognition and that money and that you know,
for a long time, this is a very closed community.

(02:31:32):
People weren't talking about other people in that way. You
were hearing stories that were a little bit more realistic.
And now that the flood gate has opened, that also
comes with these people who are, like I said, trying
to gain that fame, and they'll elaborate and make.

Speaker 4 (02:31:47):
These crazy stories up.

Speaker 5 (02:31:49):
And it's really wild too because we see with everything
they infiltrate, they create fear and panic, and now the
community is going against seventeen different directions to what they.

Speaker 4 (02:32:01):
Believe in what they feel.

Speaker 5 (02:32:03):
It's divisive, and that's what they want because now they
can control the narratives a lot easier if not everybody's
on the same pitch. And that's also what they do
with revelation of the method. When revelation of the method
is before they tell you what they're going to before
they do it, or they tell you what they're going
to do before they do it, say it to you
in some way, shape or form. What they did with

(02:32:23):
that disclosure movement very beginning and probing for it, they
were telling you, we're coming for the UFO community, so
prepare yourself because we're infiltrating.

Speaker 4 (02:32:35):
And that's what that was.

Speaker 5 (02:32:36):
That was that was one of the red flags that
made me want to go and put that event together
because we knew, no matter what of three months, three years,
three decades, we're not getting anything from them. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:32:50):
Yeah, I have a feel that they know that this
is a spiritual phenomenon, you know, that's believed that this
is connected into our consciousness, our souls, and this is
guiding us in a certain way. At least based on
my own personal experiences with contact and what I've learned,

(02:33:12):
it's a very personal phenomena. Each individual is going to
have maybe similar experiences, but the messages are very much
connected to them. From what I've heard genuine contact experiences
and from my own, they guiding people to heal themselves,
become their best selves, and you know, heal everything around them.

(02:33:33):
And it's usually positive messages for the most part. And
if it is negative, it most it mostly starts out
negative because the people don't understand it, and then they
get regressed or have some work done and it ends
up being a very life changing phenomena for them and
an experience, and some people seeks more spiritual spirituality after

(02:33:57):
they have contact experiences. I you know, I bettered my
life in so many ways after my experience, and this
is true for many other contact.

Speaker 2 (02:34:07):
These that I've spoken to.

Speaker 1 (02:34:09):
Now that being said, this is causing people to have
great things happen in their life. Why would the powers
that we want people to know the truth about it.
Why would they want them to embrace it. I think
that they are extreme threatened by what is happening behind contact,
the truth behind contact, what is going on with it,
whether it's physical or non physical. I'm one hundred percent

(02:34:31):
convinced that it is a thousand print spiritual absolutely.

Speaker 5 (02:34:37):
Ten percent agree, one hundred and ten percent agree. There's
two things that they focus on, as in they and
then we all know who they and them are. I
don't want to say things it's especially it's going to
be on YouTube them the establishment. We know that they
don't want us to know where we come from, because
a man and woman who doesn't know where it comes
from is a man and woman lost. That's one thing

(02:35:00):
that's what goes down with the history and the rewriting
of history, not having any focus on specific instances in
history that will give it that ability to really garner
our fullest potential, and that potential is limitless. We exceed
in frequency and vibration to or at least be able

(02:35:20):
to manipulate our vibration in such a way that nothing
is off limits.

Speaker 4 (02:35:26):
That's one of the.

Speaker 5 (02:35:26):
Mockers of my show Full Spectrum universes with passion and knowledge.
Nothing's off limits. Nothing's off limits. You can do anything
you know. And there's a lot of different phrases that
I say from people that I've spoken to, like Phil Gruber,
the information is the activation when you're in the knowing.
Now you have that as an umberament or as a battlement,

(02:35:48):
you know what I mean. It's there for you to
use activating. And also we are the ones we've been
waiting for when we figure out our truest potentials, when
we seek that harmonious future and that timeline that we
are creating. And I also believe it has a lot
to do with the indigenous way of life and that
symbiosis with each other and the planet, and as a

(02:36:09):
collect we can create that difference that's going to change
things at such a surface level, energetic level, and a
mental level and spiritual level for everybody. Not that we're
telling anybody or what to do, we're asking you to
We're kind of enticing you to explore it for yourself.
There's a thousand roads to source, but that source is

(02:36:30):
one road, and that's internalization. It all comes back to
you and the work that you're doing for you to
be the best version of you and create that potential
for yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:36:42):
Now, how do you think this whole deception ties in
with war being told is the traditional model of space?
I always have to preface this by I.

Speaker 4 (02:36:51):
Am not a flatter.

Speaker 1 (02:36:53):
I in no way believe we live on a pancake
floating through whatever the ether is. But I do not
believe in and anything NASA tells me. I don't believe
in what they're being telling me exactly what the thetrinal
model of space is. I'm not sure if the Earth
is round, if it's a triangle, if we're in a simulation,

(02:37:13):
if we're in a realm, it are some kind of
spiritual training ground. I don't know, but I know there's
a major deception confusion that is being perpetuated by the mainstream,
by NASA, by our sciences and always has been. And
there is a huge mystery surrounding what's beyond our atmosphere

(02:37:34):
and what can be achieved with space travel. And I
want your thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (02:37:39):
I I'm not sure about space itself, Like you said,
I'm not a flat Earthur. I don't know if we're
moving at sixteen thousand miles per hour through a black
abyss where there's other things that are not hit. Like,
think about it at sixteen thousand mile hour, if a
small asteroid hit us, it's just like when you're driving motorcycle.

Speaker 4 (02:38:00):
If you hit a pebble at eighty.

Speaker 5 (02:38:02):
Miles an hour, you are going to probably get eviscerated
on the pavement below.

Speaker 4 (02:38:07):
But you know, so I don't really know what's out there.
I do believe that there is the Earth that we know,
and then there are layers beyond it.

Speaker 5 (02:38:19):
I don't know if you've seen recently, there's this map
that comes in where Admiral Bird talked about those lands beyond,
and that to me would make a lot more sense.
And I do think that there is a oval shape
to it, and that's why we see things as circular
when we look at the Moon, whether it's fake or not,
they would have emulated something that looked like the other

(02:38:42):
objects floating in our universe, you know, even if it
was towed in by let's say, on Anoky or whatever
the case may be. And we see those other planets,
they are around in shape, they're not pancakes. So I
don't believe in flat Earth either, And I think that
you know, I talked to a gentleman by the name
of Mark Fiorantino, and he was working Einstein's theory of

(02:39:04):
relativity and super relativity unified field theory, and he fully
believed that. And the one question I asked him that
was fascinating. I said, what did you find out that
you weren't looking for? And he says that the units
made of ones and zeros. There is a creation to
the universe that is artificially made. Somebody created it or

(02:39:29):
something created it. I said, that's pretty wild. So you know,
I looked to the space and cosmology experts on that,
and I think that there is space. I just don't
know if there's that Kyper belt of radiation that they
talk about believe that. I don't believe in a firmament.
I don't think that there would ever be a firmament

(02:39:50):
that we would suffocate if there was a firmament, because
even if there was created oxygen inside that firmament, eventually
it would run out. I would believe, you know what
I mean. I don't know if that works for me.
I don't believe in the firmament, but I don't believe
in flat earth either. I don't think we're on pancake
floating in space.

Speaker 4 (02:40:08):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 5 (02:40:09):
I think we're on a low shaped thing. But I
think there's more out there than they want us to
know about, because some of our ancestors came from those
outer areas and they are consciousnessly advanced than we are,
and they're still out They're still out there, and they're
actually I think that there's something going on with ant
article where they're being told you can't to this area

(02:40:31):
otherwise there will be you know, we will get shot down.
And I think that's what happened to Admiral Bird. He
got out there somehow, slipt through the cracks and now
here he is, you know, and he found some people
and they were like, you got to get the hell
out of here, and he was like, okay, I see
what you guys are capable of the you know. Yeah,
but it's wild out there, man. I think there's so

(02:40:52):
much that lift to be explored, and I'm so excited
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
Yeah, Man's that's super fascinating to me.

Speaker 2 (02:40:58):
I love the whole extra land thing. I want to
get to.

Speaker 1 (02:41:01):
In your notes, Chesse, you sent me timelines and Project
looking Glass.

Speaker 4 (02:41:06):
Now, I love this stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:41:08):
I love the fact that through Project Looking Glass they
were trying to find you know, if they them they
would ever get their their dream utopia outcome through this
whole new World order thing, and apparently they always lose.
And that's a beautiful thing to me. But what do
you think? Do you think that I think that we're

(02:41:31):
all different timelines right now. I think that the people
that are living their lives normally, that aren't participating in bs,
that don't watches, that aren't wearing masks every day, that
aren't getting the whatever you want to call these experiments
that our people are getting, I think they're on a
completely different timeline than those that are. And there's variances

(02:41:52):
and think that has to do on a global scale,
where people's collective consciousness is going and what the outcome
is going to be for what the what you would
call globalists them, they or whatever want the outcome to
be versus Wood in reality is actually going to happen.

Speaker 5 (02:42:11):
What do you think I'm gonna I'm gonna reference a
few things right now. I'm gonna reference indigenous peoples. I'm
going to reference the Looking Glass and what I believe
is happening the timelines.

Speaker 4 (02:42:23):
So there's a.

Speaker 5 (02:42:24):
Hopey prophecy, and the Hopey prophecy says that after the
third cycle or the third turning of some which is
actually this year, after we go around through this summer
and winter's holstice again, which is actually reversed because this
kind of come. This came from Aboriginals and Hopey, so
they're actually on different solstices.

Speaker 4 (02:42:45):
But after that.

Speaker 5 (02:42:47):
There's going to be a great split. The lower frequency
people are going to go one way, the higher frequency
people are going to go another way. And what happens
is they're going to be literally on the same plane
of existence, but not able to interact with each other
because they'll they'll their reality won't.

Speaker 4 (02:43:05):
Be the same.

Speaker 5 (02:43:06):
They will be on same plenty of existence. It's hard
for me that my brain took like seven times to
get this. So they are on the same plane of existence,
but because they've actually transcended it, it's like the different
dimensions fourth dimension, fifth dimension. Will be on the fourth
or fifth, they'll be in the second and third. No
more interaction unless we engage, and there's a ways to

(02:43:26):
get back to that higher fourth or fifth dimension, and
there's always you don't go backwards, but you can go up.
After a lifestyle like you have to be incarnated back
into that fourth and fifth dimension. So that great split
is a representation of what's kind of have now. And
there's different timelines and they'reut there. And this is what

(02:43:49):
Mendela effect is is when these two timelines come so close,
there's bleed through memory between the both timelines. So your
higher self is your conduit to all different mentions and
time in space. So if higher self, let's say it
was here, it would have total threads on every timeline
or every variance of every timeline. It's your connector point.

(02:44:13):
Like you're like your operator if this was a phone line,
it's like your operator before it goes to source. Right,
that's the direct lens that source goes through. So all
of that is in the knowledge of the higher selp,
which is why sometimes when we meditate we look for
guidance from our higher self because it's seen it all
and been foot all. So now what's happening is as

(02:44:35):
these as we're moving down this timeline prime, I'm gonna
call it timeline primes, the middle timeline, the biggest one.
There's other timelines that are snapping into it and closing
now as they do that our self from that reality
is getting kind of that that fractal of ourselves is
getting reabsorbed into the center of what we are now,

(02:44:58):
which is also a reason for me and effect. Those
memories were maybe not yours, they were somebody else's or
a version of you. And now you're understanding. It's like
when you look at something and you either have days
ute or a difference in seeing it multiple ways. You're like,
wait a minute, the last time I did that, I
did that differently, but I still had the same outcome.

(02:45:18):
And you know, there's moments where you feel that. So
with that prophecy, we're going to snap back to one
timeline before we go to another split. And that again
is the universal cycle, that syclistic nature of back to
one diverging into the many, back to one diverging into

(02:45:38):
the many. Because everything I believe has parameters, just like
as if we're you know, there's different calculations, are different
sets of things that we can put in this timeframe
or in this period. We can split into seventy two
thousand timelines or remain on that one, but eventually we're
going to be in the area of both, just because

(02:46:01):
of the cyclistic nature of everything, and we see that
with the way that the plants.

Speaker 4 (02:46:06):
Grow, the way we grow and we evolve.

Speaker 5 (02:46:09):
So that's my belief and I think looking Glass was
a way for you know, it kind of is it's
kind of the same, or it's not the same, but
it's kind of a same tech as the coronavisor in
the Vatican, except when they can interact and actually get
like the coronavisors just to see this, when they actually

(02:46:30):
can become hands on and change things. And I think
that they have, which is why we're in a moment
that we are in right now now where such such
evil as walking around and NPCs. You know, people you're
talking with they look like there's nothing behind their eyes.
You're like, this is crazy, this is crazy what's going
on right now? But this is probably one of those
times that you know, it's in the syclistic nature of

(02:46:52):
it that evil or the archive have gained a foothold.
But ultimately they'll never because there's too much. There's too
many of us, not enough of them always, but they're
going to try, and when they try, things are going
to change. And that's why we're in this moment now.
But I think a lot of a lot of what
we learn is kind of mashing together right now, and

(02:47:14):
we can use some of the uh, some of the
insight from each experience to kind of or each bit
of research to create that mass hohole, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:47:23):
And I think I went through prophecy on that one.
I went through looking glass, And you.

Speaker 5 (02:47:28):
Know, I'm not sure what's gonna happen after all of
this settles, but I am absolutely sure that we're gonna
split back out once we reach that center timeline. We're
gonna actually split back out o centuries, but we're gonna
split back out to that multiple timelines and dimensions things
like that.

Speaker 4 (02:47:47):
I think we're all kind of collapsing in on itself
right now. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (02:47:51):
Man, you mentioned arcons.

Speaker 4 (02:47:54):
What do these mean to you?

Speaker 1 (02:47:56):
Do you think that there are actually, you know, demons
or extraterrestrials, are intees etheric beings that are maybe pulling
the strings or whispering in people's ears or trying to
push us in certain directions or timelines, or is it
something that we create ourselves, like aggrigors or thought forms
or this negative energy that we put out there, or

(02:48:18):
just us or just humans screwing ourselves into these bad decisions.

Speaker 2 (02:48:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:48:25):
I see it as we made a bunch of bad
decisions trying to fix our bad decisions that we made before,
and it just kept getting worse and worse. And I
love that analogy said, you know, fractalizing out and eventually
coming back into store to source.

Speaker 2 (02:48:40):
But what do you think is going on with that?

Speaker 5 (02:48:42):
I think to say, yes, all of the above. I
think that they're all there, and I think that there
is an alignment between them.

Speaker 4 (02:48:49):
I think that there is.

Speaker 5 (02:48:51):
There's this polarity for me when it comes to entities
ethereal entities, doesn't matter what it is, there's a polarity.
There's a great area where people kind of you know,
mosey in and out of either side to forward its agenda.
And this is why it's for me. This is why
for me it's not as simple as good and evil.

(02:49:14):
There's people riding the middle and playing both sides for
some ulterior agenda, and maybe five or six different people
riding different agendas. But there is an alignment with all things.
I want to say lower frequency right now, because they
do believe that their time is numbered. So whether it's
an extraterrestrial whether it's an ether real being, even not physical,

(02:49:38):
doesn't mean it can't be low frequency. We don't know
all the laws of each dimensional it works. So I
think that there is an alignment. And they're all gung
ho about enslavement, about fear, because fear is food to them.
Think about that, it's fear's food and enslavement. And once
they have us where they where they want us, because

(02:50:02):
of our truth, because of our ability to transcend the gales,
we can work for any and all of us in
any way that they fit. And I think that that's
one of the things that human beings are where some
of the brightest lights in all of the universe, and
soul or some So that's why we're so garnered. And
they every side wants us to team them. And while

(02:50:26):
you know, some will go with the bad, some will
go with the good. And it's going to be that
way forever. Even if we win this time, there's still
going to be there, and it's going to go through
that cycle of you know, where they kind of go
in where they don't, you know, where they come in
and take over and then we go in. You know,
it's funny because I just saw a TikTok, and you're

(02:50:46):
gonna be like, you're referencing a TikTok, but it's true.

Speaker 4 (02:50:49):
It's true.

Speaker 5 (02:50:51):
This lady said, what if the Bible, where it talks
about armageddon, the rapture has already happened, right and after that,
it supposedly says that Jesus is going to rule the
earth for a thousand years of peace, tranquility, Renaissance, And
that's right after the Dark Ages. So we have the

(02:51:11):
Renaissance and all that movement technology and the industrial complex
coming up and making life better and giving us technologies.

Speaker 4 (02:51:19):
To help people.

Speaker 5 (02:51:21):
Well, it depends on who's hands it's in, but you know,
potential for help. And every so often the devil or
Satan is going to a short season. What if that's
what we're in right now, that short season. And again
it goes back to the cycle, the Yugas cycles, the
regular cycles that they're talking about in the Bible, the

(02:51:41):
universal cycle, and we're having to kind of navigate these
waters until it's another thousand years of piece.

Speaker 3 (02:51:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51:51):
I mean, there's so many aspects to what's happening now
that you could point to to being what some would
say apocalyptic or even you know, there's so many people
that are right now thinking that we're in the what
you would call end of days, and I don't think
it ever ends. I think it's all cycles. Like you said,
I think we are in whether it's a down trough

(02:52:13):
or a middle trough, or you know, a temporary trough,
whatever is going on with this cycle that we're on,
that we're always gonna come out of it and we're
gonna always come back into it. And I think along
the way there's also major cataclysms and disasters that could
alter the amount of humans and what's going on with

(02:52:34):
global civilizations that happen at the same time. But I
think we always keep going. I think we're always going.
But I do have a feeling that we are in
a cycle where there are going to be major changes
and things may get a little difficult for people before
they get better.

Speaker 4 (02:52:54):
You know, absolutely absolutely, And you know it's never over.

Speaker 5 (02:53:00):
You're right, there is There is no there's no end
of days. If there is an end, what it does
is it's a new beginning. So it's just a transfer
just like ourselves, our souls or whatever going to call it,
our energies are that their energy, energy cannot be destroyed.
It can only be transferred or transmuted to something else.

(02:53:22):
So we're always in that cycle. And this is one
of the reason why I believe in reincarnation. And you know,
I've visited a lot of psychics, a lot of mediums,
and they say that my soul is one of the
original souls of this planet. And that's why I've kind
of come through. And I've heard them talk to people

(02:53:42):
and say, you completely brand new soul. You've never been here.
You've been to other places, but you've never been here.
And I think that that's kind of like out with
the old, in with the new kind of reoccurrence and
we're kind of just transfer and now we'll go to
somewhere else andcarnate next time since we're, you know, since
old on this planet. Now that I've fulfilled my duties,

(02:54:03):
hopefully on this round, they'll send mewhere else like Jupiter
or Saturn, who knows. But you know, I think that
there is that that syclistic nature and we're we're gonna
have bad times, but it's always going to outshine it
with good later on down the road. And everything we
do in those bad moments is to preserve enough legacy
to keep to give to those future generations so they

(02:54:25):
don't have to start where we did. They can start
one step ahead of the game. And I think that
that's how it keeps happening until you know that ultimate
race at the very end is angelic by nature. You know,
they're just born and jump.

Speaker 1 (02:54:38):
Let's let's spend the last few minutes on this. I
think this is a great talking point discernment of information,
and I think everybody needs this extremely bad right now,
especially with all the BS and misinformation with every single
topic that you look on online and in the media. Uh,
you're not gonna find any truth there. So for you,

(02:54:59):
what do you do do to sift through all the bs,
especially when you're doing your research and you're trying to
present it to there's like we do here on our
podcast every day. How do you your best discernment? I
can just say for me, I use my gut a lot.

Speaker 5 (02:55:15):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, you have to use your gut,
especially when we're talking about things that almost can't be
proven in the way that like we want them to
be proven, right, Like we know what sounds And this
is the crazy part, like talking to so many people
who have had contact when you get that person.

Speaker 4 (02:55:33):
Who's not being genuine with you.

Speaker 5 (02:55:36):
I've studied body language, I mean, I've studied a lot
of different things, but there's just something inside of you.

Speaker 4 (02:55:43):
That goes that's BS. That's BS.

Speaker 5 (02:55:46):
Immediately you know it, and I don't know how or why.
But one of the things I try and do is
I try and vet the source where it came from.
Have they been credible, are they doing other research? Is
it something that they just said it on a show
somewhere really quickly, or is it something that they believe
in themselves. And sometimes people's convictions can kind of give

(02:56:08):
me an ability to like, all right, I understand, but
all I have to look at it myself. And that's
one of the things that I try and do with
my show, and I'm sure you do it as well,
is everybody has that threshold where when they hear something,
it clicks and then they have to go and research
it because it's just it's it's they need to know.
And I hope that, like every time I touch a

(02:56:29):
microphone or I'm on my show, that we get that done.
That's something profound was said where somebody clicks, but a
lot of it, especially when it comes to like the
real like news media, and like I don't just any
of it, so I look for the patterns and the
narrative and what they're trying to do behind the scenes,
and that kind of gives me an understanding of where

(02:56:51):
where their modus operandum is and I can kind of
create what's really.

Speaker 4 (02:56:55):
Happening from that moment.

Speaker 5 (02:56:58):
A lot of it is background research into a lot
of their papers that they put out and their their
essays where they're talking about this stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:57:07):
And this is what I'm a revelation of the method.
They've said it already.

Speaker 5 (02:57:10):
You just got to find out where in that paper
that contact relevant and then just kind of go about
it in that manner spirituality. It's what's right, it's what
feels right to me, and after reading so many different texts,
it becomes not just it feels right. You're able to
kind of throw the idea back and forth in your

(02:57:32):
mind and see if it fits for you or if
it works. And that mean is my biggest discern is
that that analytically looking at it, but also like letting
logic dictate exactly what I feel and kind of go
about this.

Speaker 4 (02:57:49):
This understanding of what it is that I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (02:57:53):
Right on, man now, I don't see any sustainable way
we can keep going with our current systems of education, economics,
entertainment industry. I don't see anything being sustainable in our
old systems anymore, in the old ways, and I see
it crumbling right before our eyes. And we also see

(02:58:13):
formations of new systems. We see new researchers, new entertainment,
new people coming up. Nobody's watching Netflix anymore, nobody's tuning
into what Hollywood has to offer. And I'm very excited
about what we are seeing in the future. Do you
see the same thing kind of crumbling of these old
systems and are you optimistic about what could possibly rise

(02:58:36):
up after?

Speaker 4 (02:58:37):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (02:58:38):
And one of the things I tell everybody is I
think everybody should have like a show or an outlet
to creatively kind of talk to people. Right we use clubhouse,
and clubhouse is one of the ways. We have something
called the Truth Seekers Tavern. It's got about six thousand
people with rooms on that are kind of just like
open forum or whatever you want to talk about, doesn't matter.

(02:59:01):
But I do see that old archetype or that that
system it's really losing its foundations because a lot of
what they've told us is not true, so for them
to instill these systems even after the fact, it doesn't
work anymore. So we are creating areas in these new

(02:59:21):
systems where where we can be more relevant in the
moment and be more open to different information as opposed
to what just shoved down earth. And I do see
that Hollywood has lost all of its meaning. We are
the news as in mainstream media, which is why I've
created a substack, so I can talk about real facts

(02:59:42):
of what's happening in today's world with a hint of spirituality, the.

Speaker 4 (02:59:46):
Kind of you know.

Speaker 5 (02:59:47):
My first article was on comparative mythology, but that's what
I'm going to open it up for. And also I'm
trying to create a website that's going to aggregate news
as in a non biased way of retaining this information
so you could make your own decision. You don't have
to be right, you don't have to be left, you
can just be you and love being you in that moment.

Speaker 2 (03:00:08):
Awesome, man, this was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (03:00:09):
We're gonna have to have you back on And there's
so many more topics and so much more things we
could cover before you head out, let the audience know
where they can find Full Spectrum Universe and what you
got going on there.

Speaker 5 (03:00:22):
Thank you, Thank you. So we're on YouTube right now.
We're just we're getting close to two thousand follow subscribers
on YouTube, which is you know, after about a year
and a half, it's I can't say it's been any
better than it has been. Such an honor and a
pleasure just to be out there and giving people information.

Speaker 4 (03:00:40):
I just love it so much. And thank you Chris.

Speaker 5 (03:00:42):
You know, it's amazing that you let me come on
the show and I'm more than happy to come back
at any time. You can find me on every different
social media site from Facebook to Instagram to get her
to Telegram, every Full Spectrum Universe where ubiquitous across the die.
We're also on platforms, like I said, we're gonna be

(03:01:04):
on Fire right soon. We're also on Clubhouse. There's Full
Spectrum Universe on us. You can come and just have
impromptu conversations with everybody that we have there. We've got
a ton of great We've got a ton of great
researchers from across the world, and we have a Telegram
channel called True Seekers Time and where we bring that
to life with information and research. It's one of the

(03:01:27):
biggest forums that I'm a part of where people actually
delve in research. A lot of it was on current events,
but we're kind of spinning more out into the topics
that I love and that. Yeah, that's it's pretty much
it wherever we're substack full spectrum universe everywhere.

Speaker 1 (03:01:44):
Awesome, Rob, that was great. Like I said, We'll have
to definitely do this again in the future.

Speaker 5 (03:01:50):
I'm always available for you, brother, and thank you so much.
Like I said, it's been an honor and privilege to
be here. I love your show, I love being here,
and I can't can't think of anybody else to you.

Speaker 2 (03:01:59):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:01:59):
It is this so much fun. I loved it. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:02:02):
Man. We'll definitely do this and until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow to see
get it

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