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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today, I want to welcome back to the show Nate
and Thomas from Realities Ours. Nate his host, and he
is a government abolitionist, truth seeker, and bigfoot enthusiast. Thomas
is a self taught programmer and credited musician. He was
also a Disney interactive designer and animator for ten years.

(00:26):
He is a conspiracy theory connoisseur for over twenty your
twenty years, and has been a comic book publisher for
over ten years at Paranoid American dot com. Nate Thomas,
welcome back. How you gentlemen doing.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Awesome? Man?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thanks after an intro like that, man, how can we
be doing? All? Is great?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Excellent, excellent. It's great to have you guys back on.
We're gonna have some fun tonight because we are live
for the first time and forever here on Rumble to
bring you yet another conspiracy buffet. That's Conspiracy Buffet everyone.
This is where we discuss all of your favorite and
our favorite conspiracies. How we may even make up a

(01:08):
few here tonight, you never know. It's always a delicious
time here at the Conspiracy Buffet. Gentlemen, It's been a while, though.
First reintroduce yourselves to everyone. You've both been on here before,
but remind the audience about yourselves and your podcasts and
anything good you got going on.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
You go, Nate, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Man, I'm always terrible at these because I'm the worst
itself remote promotion. But our show is called The Realities Ours.
We love to just did We just get up there
and we talk to interesting people, have fun conversations. We're
trying to push the boundaries of ideas and one time,
I mean, we might be talking about like Bigfoot having
a big old dong or something, or we might be

(01:52):
talking about interdimensional like all kinds of fun, awesome stuff.
We might be talking to a serious guest. You might
have someone that's respectable in there, so we won't mention
bigfoot dong. So we have all kinds of interesting conversations.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
It did hard not to bring a big foot dong
in any given conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
So like, you're gonna have a good time at our
show because you're always gonna find something different. We're gonna
be talking about something new, We're gonna be talking to
somebody interesting. So check us out. We're on rockfin We're
on all of it. We're all on that kind of crap.
I guess you can follow us on YouTube if you want,
but yeah, we're most active on Instagram, So message us.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Email us.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
I like to give our email out because I answer
every email. Realities Ours at gmail dot com and we
just put out a Paranormal a documentary which was a
lot of fun. So we've put out two a Part
one and Part two, and we're working on a part three.
So that's been a lot of fun. We're just doing
dumb shit all the time. We're having fun. So come
follow us, check us out. I love it.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
You got that was great, man, that was great. So
in addition to co hosting Nate here with Realities Ours,
as you mentioned, I've been publishing comic books for the
lot ten years. I continue to publish all kinds of
comics and you can find those at Paranoid American dot com.
The two big ones are I've got an mk ultra
pamphlet at mk ultracomic dot com. And I'm starting to

(03:13):
put out a NASA comic about Stanley Kubrick directing the
mood Landings at NASA Comic dot com. And I got
a whole I mean, they all basically route to my
website and then one of the other things I've been
getting into lately is a lot of AI related stuff,
custom training models, you know, just figuring out the actual
nuts and bolts of everything. So you can find a

(03:33):
lot of the weird AI related stuff I've been making
on my Instagram at Paranoid American. Yeah, and then get
music video bro, No, that's right.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I did a music video with Joel Thomas from Muckin'bird,
and that was a full length AI music video where
we basically took his head and then turned it into
like a reptilian. We turned it into a blue haired
progressive teacher from one verse. He's like a mummy. He's
an alien in it just kind of like morphs into
all these different things and it's got them like fully

(04:04):
articulated and singing. And then the full background is all
fully animated frame to frame for like almost full three
minutes or something like that. So yeah, all kinds of stuff. Man,
get my fingers in every pot I.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Can, sweet, I love it.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I love it all.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right, let's start with this, how do you guys discern
information for your show and what you're gonna even give
any time to or give any credence to when it
comes to some of these conspiracies. Lately, I know that
it's getting harder and harder to discern through some of
the information. I mean, hell, look what's happened with AI

(04:42):
just in the past few months. It's like this, It's
been growing and it's spanding so fast, and the technology
involved with it has been rapidly changing. I mean, you
can't even tell if the porn star you're watching is
real are some AI creations. So it's very interesting what's
going on. Especially lately, everybody's been being labeled domestic terrorist

(05:06):
just for having their own free thinking and questioning any narratives.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, same here.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So how do you guys discern through the information that
you're even going to give the time of day.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, for me, personally, I'm pretty goddamn open minded, So
I'm willing to take an idea or this topic, and
I'm willing to look at it debate it, kind of
like look at look around at. Thomas is great at
playing Devil's advocate, and we will sit there and discuss
something even if I'm pretty sure it's bullshit, Like, dude,
what was the one that we were just talking about

(05:38):
the other day, We were looking at this one wacky
lady from Germany that is communicating with Blue Avians. And
she's sitting there and she's like telepathically telling us, like
what the Blue Avians are telling you, and then she
starts like, dude, it's wild.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Shit, it's my favorite. Uh, it's my favorite account now
by far.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, it's fantastic, dude, it's the best. Now do I
actually think she's talking to Blue Avians? No, I know,
but maybe I don't know it. And then Thomas has
giving me shit because it kind of sounds like she's
speaking in tongues and I'm a Pentecostal Christian that speaks
in tongues, so I don't know. Maybe she's talking to God.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, I don't see the difference, man, I don't see
the difference between the two.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
And I don't have a good argument to say that
it's not.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You do, because it is. And Nate said, I'm pretty
good at playing Devil's advocate. I'm a little bit of
a contrarian just for the sake of it. Sometimes, Like
my favorite flavor is vanilla, and I hear someone else say, oh,
Vanilla's the best flavor in the world. I'll still kind
of come back and be like, I don't know, chocolate
might be pretty good, you know what I mean, Like,

(06:42):
even if I agree with you, I just like to
see how firm everyone's kind of stances are on stuff.
So I go into things the ultimate skeptic. I usually
try to disprove stuff, and hopefully so that when I
come back and I say, hey, guys, there's actually something
to this, it holds more than if I just by
default believe everything and then get proven wrong later. I'd

(07:04):
try to invert that, you know. I try to use
the trivium where I break down the words. I look
at the etymology I apply, you know, sort of like
classical logic to something. I try to see if there's
rhetoric that's baked into all the information the surrounding a
certain topic. And then if I still find something beyond that,
I go to my trusty rule book. That's basically like,

(07:26):
if I find three to five coincidences, then all of
a sudden, it might be more than coincidence. So I've
got like all these little litmus tests that I'm always doing,
like in the back of my hot my mind, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
You're a lot more scientific about it. Than me. I
just let my gut feeling really just kind of guide me.
Like before I even got into conspiracy theories, I was
an anarchist, so like that was for me, was like
a protection. Why I never fell down like the q
Andon hole and those type of things is because, like
I already knew government wasn't the answer. I already knew
no fucking politician was gonna come be our savior. There

(07:58):
was no white hats coming to save the government's trying
to fuck you. And so they were right about some
people being pedophiles in the government, but it wasn't just Democrats,
you know what I mean. It's that kind of silly shit.
And so my first inclination is to be skeptical of
what you're saying. I'll entertain the idea and I like it,
but I'm definitely I'm a contrarian too. So actually we're

(08:19):
a cute little couple, all right. And yeah, so I
mean I don't know, like I'm willing to entertain different ideas,
but I don't necessarily make that part of my own
philosophy or beliefs. And I am a pretty goddamn big
skeptic dude. When we were going into those things like
the ghost documentaries and shit like that. Like, I don't
believe in ghosts, but I do believe in energy, and

(08:41):
I do believe in spirits. And there's some interesting Dude,
I'm having some fucking weird experiences that I can't explain,
and I don't think. I don't know what the hell
it is.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I want to get into that in a minute. Yeah,
when you look at I don't know if you guys
have ever looked at any of my back episodes from
my really really old shows that I was doing in
like two thousand seventeen. In twenty eighteen, there were times
I didn't give it.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Up I first came out. Huh. I was probably listening
to him when they first came out.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh that's great, that's crazy. But I had some guests
that were pretty fucking crazy as well. I mean at
that time, I've always been open minded as well. But
I'd get it. I'd listen to something a certain topic,
and I'd get excited about it, and even though I
probably had a gut feeling that it might be bullshit,
I'd still get you know, that person to come on
and talk about it, and if anything, it was always

(09:31):
entertaining and fun and always had a good time doing that.
I am a lot more discerning about the guests I
have on now, even though at times I have some
some pretty whack of does on there still and it's
you know, I love hearing the different thoughts and ideas
and theories, and even even if I think it's complete bullshit,
I love the audience. I love that the audience can

(09:51):
hear it and decide for themselves. So that's always a
fun thing. Now, conspiracies, conspiracy buffet. What is what's of
you guys favorite conspiracies?

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
So, I mean my top three are probably the classics
are MK Ultra, jfk Assassination, and Bavarian Illuminati. And by
that I kind of mean like an all encompassing of
secret mystery schools going back to as far back as
you want to go. But those are kind of like
my three heavy hitters. And then more recently I've been

(10:26):
really big into trying to figure out the origins of
adrenochrome and psychedelics, which are basically inherently linked. It's almost
impossible to decouple those two concepts from each other once
you get into like the late eighteen hundreds through the
early nineteen thirties through fifties, you might as well just
say adrenochrome LSD mescalin in the same sentence.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I got to hear more about what you've come up
with adrenochrome, because this is one of those words that's
been thrown around in conspiracy circles for years with really
not much substantial evidence that I've ever seen that this
stuffs even exists as we're being told. But what have
you found out about it?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I went into it as skeptical as you could be.
I went into it thinking in that it was like
a QAnon shaman, you know, conspiracy. Yeah, and I discovered
that there's actually way more truth to it. I mean,
it has life longevity connotations to it, anti cancer propertly.
What is it is? It?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is it like an extract from from your what is
it adrenal grant gland or something?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I mean, so the word adrenochrome basically translates to the
color of the you know, adrenal glands or the color
that comes from the adrenal glands. So adrenochrome is essentially
just breaking down adrenaline when your body goes into fight
or flight mode for any reason, good or bad as
it processes through your body, like you know, when when

(11:54):
your body doesn't need the adrenaline anymore, it starts breaking
it down. And one of those components out of many,
is called a adrenochrome. The other one's called adrenalutin. But
adrenochrome has supposed psychedelic implications and it actually has some
kind of psychedelic effects to it. And this goes back
to the nineteen thirties and even before Hunter S. Thompson
wrote about it and it came out with the Johnny

(12:16):
Depp movie, you know, the Vegas movie. Even before that,
it was written, yeah, Fear and Loathing. Even before that,
it was written in a short story called Blood of
a Wig and that translated to the blood of a
schizophrenic patient. They would call them, you know, wigs because
they were wigging out. So the concept was that they
would break into an insane asylum, take the blood of

(12:38):
someone that had schizophrenia, and then use that blood as
a drug to get high. But on top of that,
they purported that if you took it. The example was
like they took it from like an old Mandarin guy,
and when they took his blood and used it, they
started having visions as if they were back in China,
and like we're like re experiencing this guy's life. So
that sounds like crazy fiction and you know you're off,

(13:00):
but I keep going back back back and find references
to kind of and this is where like psychedelics and
mescaline kind of tie, because the comparison of adrenaline on
a chemical level to mescaline is so incredibly similar, which
is why it's so easily binds to the receptors in
our body. So it's kind of like a key and

(13:21):
if you have a crappy lock and it kind of accepts,
like you know, maybe twenty or thirty different keys that
are roughly the same shape. That's kind of the difference
between adrenaline and all these different psychedelics. So it kind
of just like fits in and way prior to that,
if you start looking at the origins of mescaline, the
origins of d MT, there's these exact same stories about
people that would take these psychedelics and then be able

(13:42):
to live through someone else's life or take information from
someone on the other side of the planet and then
fly back. Now I don't know if I believe that
that's one hundred percent true. But it was incredible that
this long line of kind of like medical thinkers and
philosophers all sort of had this belief and they were
expanding on it. And then right around the turn of

(14:04):
the twentieth century or the sorry at the end of
the nineteenth century, that research kind of culminated with you know,
the Robber barons, and then the Rockefellers kind of propped
up Rockefeller Medicines. That's in the early nineteen hundreds, the
nineteen thirties, and they just had a monopoly on that,
and it just like it changes hands from Rockefellers to

(14:25):
the literal Scottish write freemasons. They actually headed adrenochrome and
schizophrenia research under the name Dementia Precox from the thirties
until maybe the fifties, and then in the fifties mk
Ultra takes over. They basically start footing the bill for
all that same exact research that I just mentioned. It
went from the late eighteen hundreds all the way to
the fifties. So as I was I mentioned in like

(14:47):
adrenochrome really does tie in MKOTA and mind control and psychedelics.
It's all sort of the same topic. It just depends
on what period of time you're looking at.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's crazy. Now, did you find any evidence that this
is being used as like a designer party drug in
extremely elite circles like celebrities, politicians, high level people like that.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't. I don't think personally, I don't think it
would be strong enough of a psychedelic. If there were,
it might be adrenal lutin. But also adrenochrome might more
likely just be sort of like a multiplier, the same
way that people like drink orange juice before they take
a hit of ass, or they might eat like some
mangoes and then think that they get a little bit higher.
It might be something along those lines. Because there have

(15:34):
been studies that people that were non responsive to LSD,
meaning that they would take a heroic dose and still
not even show symptoms once they were administered adrenochrome directly,
the LSD all of a sudden starts having its subjective
effects that you would expect. So adrenochrome is some sort
of an an undefined middleman somehow in that psychedelic subjective experience.

(15:57):
So I mean, for that reason alone, it's definite worth
the investigation. Although when it comes to like what elites
want to harvest this, or what someone want to harvest this.
There's any there's a lot of creepy evidence that says
that harvesting adrenochrome and anything from the pineal gland as well,
which is kind of like related in some ways, it
actually is better from younger sources than from older sources,

(16:21):
and that from biological sources rather than synthetic sources, because
you can synthesize adrenaline and then break it down synthetically
and then basically have synthetic adrenochrome. But there's evidence that
that's not as potent and the desirable effects actually I
was mentioned before, is anti cancer, anti schizophrenia, anti dementia,

(16:43):
and just in general being resistant to something like the
bubonic plague.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Wow, that's crazy. Now, I want to remind everybody in
the audience here we are live, so if you want
to join in the chat, please do so. If you
want to bring up any conspiracies to talk about, please
do so as well. Nate, what are your thoughts on
adrina chrome in k ultra anything like that.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
So Thomas definitely comes at this from like an academic standpoint.
He's like reading all these books, I just dude, I
have my own little fucking thoughts and beliefs. That idea
is so like a smart one, that bigfoot dick. So
as far as all this shit goes, dude, like to me,
I get all woo woo with it, and so like
maybe not even it being a party drug, like maybe

(17:27):
it does get you a little bit high. Uh, you know,
like those dorks like Christians like like take pure chocolate
and shit and like and and like drink and snort
coffee and do dumb shit and like Christian raves and things.
You know, that doesn't get you really high, but it
kind of gets you a buzz. Like, but maybe these
this is more of like a ritualistic kind of thing.
So I could definitely see. I don't know, man, I

(17:49):
definitely have my my opinions on these things. I think
it's more like more like a Jeffrey Epstein sort of thing.
It was like an initiation, h kind of like it
to be part of the in group, right, you'd have
to do this, you have to I don't do whatever
you got to do to this kid, and then we
all share its blood together. And as it's almost like
being a blood brother, like cutting your hand and you know,

(18:09):
it's like a weird circle of freaks that do these
sort of rituals and it kind of bonds them, and
it kind of makes an n group and and you know,
an outgroup. You know, that's maybe why I think that
they probably do this. I do think that this happens
in my opinion. Do you think that these people do this?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
You guys know Writer Lee from Raised by Giants.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Right, Yeah, shout out to writer.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, he's uh, he's been doing some great research into
m k ultra too, and he is of the belief
that most of the research and experimentation done with mk
ultra and the the the the programs that would follow
roll out everything that we're seeing right now, from the
way that we interact with social media, to the COVID

(18:56):
narratives to everything else. They would all that they were
doing with mk ultra was a way to experiment and
find out how we would react to these certain things
that they're rolling out right now. What do you what
do you guys think about that?

Speaker 4 (19:14):
A hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I see like a clear line from like the Genesis,
like in like the ninete like early nineteen hundreds all
the way up to like the Nazis doing those experiments
and them like bringing over those scientists and them collecting
and collecting that data and then having that all connect
into like well because they were the same people that

(19:35):
were the eugenesis or the same people that are the
transhumanists today, and so it connecting directly into MK Ultra
and then connecting into yeah in today it is. And man,
what's Freud's nephew. I always forget his name? Edward Barnez
something Bernas, what's his name? Like the way that he
would break down people's minds and the way that he
would use psychology to like, well, he's the king of propaganda, right,

(19:58):
Like the way that he could change somebody's mind by
well just infecting them with an idea. He was like
he was like imprinting memes in your head, you know,
Like I think all of those things are connected. So
I think he had the psychological route. And then some
of those MK Ultra people were like saying, hey, maybe
if we give them this drug, they're more susceptible. And

(20:19):
then Thomas always talks about this too. How so many
like uh, psychotopic psychotropic drugs and things that are on
the market now, like antipsychotics and stuff were developed through
all of the research from mk ultra. So I think
that's like it's one hundred percent all connected now, and
so especially like how especially through social media, the way

(20:40):
that it interacts with us, the way it like makes
young girls depressed and suicidal and makes young people question
their gender and all, like, all of this is for
like depopulation, transhumanism, control, manipulation. I one hundred percent see
it's direct connection. I think writers one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
On pharmaceuticals were a huge part of that. Man the
way that we are using pharmaceuticals and the way that
it has affected us in the past ten twenty years
has completely altered a huge portion of humanity to detrimental states.
And it's all connected to the multi layered agendas from

(21:17):
depopulation to the social credit credit slave system, this technocratic
transhuman agenda. It all ties in together, and I think
it all probably stemmed from a lot of the experimentation
they were doing in the early mk ultra experiments.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
And I'll like to point out too that mk ultra
always evokes all these interesting pictures of like people with
helmets and remote control bulls and like these crazy exotic,
but mk Ultra at its core was just the financing unit.
That was just the way that the CIA could sort
of like you know, earmark different projects that were happening

(21:56):
in academia and elsewhere and just say, hey, man, I
like what you're doing. Here's another ten grand or thirty
grand to just like, you know, do more of it,
ten exit, hire more supplies, get better stuff, and then
just make sure that whenever you've got something interesting you
let us know first, you know, you let the CIA know,
although you wouldn't always know necessarily that it was the CIA,

(22:18):
or not necessarily even care, you know what I mean,
because again, this is after World War One leading up
into World War Two, so it wasn't like working for
the CIA at the very origin of you know, the
OSS turning into the CIA. It's not like that might
have been seen as like this shadowy cabal sort of
thing that you were doing. It truly was, you know,

(22:39):
protecting your country, or at least that was the perception
right back in the day. It's not the same as
it would be today or even like the nineties, if
you said CIA, it's like, oh, you're a spy. But
then it was just like oh, yeah, I'm helping the
country to do these things. So a lot of that
fell under this, and then it was precisely the mk
Ultra program, the Mockingbird program, the Church Commission, which released

(23:02):
the Family of Jewels. That's when all of a sudden
it was like, oh, maybe the CIA is doing a
whole bunch of other things that maybe everyone doesn't approve of.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Nate, let's get back to this conspiracy buffet. What are
some of your favorite conspiracies?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Favorite conspiracies, man, I'm all over the place with this stuff, dude.
I love the idea. I don't love the idea of
like you know, the Illuminati. I like the idea I
play around with the idea of like shape shifting, weird

(23:39):
reptilians and things like that. I love discussing and thinking
about that stuff. I love to dig into, like the
ananaky and different things like maybe potentially, But the more
and more that I learn, the more the less and
less I believe it. It's still fun to talk about,
but it's one of these things where like the whole
idea of aliens used to really intrigue me, and it

(24:00):
is less and less interesting the more I learned about
this stuff. Because I feel like probably if there are aliens,
they're probably ultraterrestrial, not extraterrestrial. I don't think there's little
green men coming down, but I definitely believe there's too
many people that talk about grays for there not to
be something there. So I think that there are grays.
There are these weird other type of beans. I don't

(24:22):
know if they're interdimensional. I don't know if they are
just extraterrestrial. I like, I want to dig into something
more things like that, But.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I have to tell you, I'm kind of along
the same lines with that. Whenever I first started doing
Forbidden Knowledge News, aliens was my jam like aliens and
UFOs was one of the one of my favorite things
to talk about. But as I had after I had
my own experience and started learning more and more and
just the different variety of researchers that I'd have on,

(24:54):
it became likely that it was more of a metaphysical
type of phenomenon the more where I learned about it.
And then we have now the government chiming in and
Pentagon Research and the mainstream media talking about UFOs, And
anytime our government or media says something is something I'd
have to believe that it's the opposite exactly. So it's

(25:18):
very interesting what's going on. I mean, if we're gonna
if a highly advanced non human race was visiting us
from a different planet and we had no idea the
capabilities are technological capabilities, or even if they are hostile,
and we're gonna go and just shoot it down immediately,

(25:40):
no questions. We're just going to shoot down this unidentified
flying object. That doesn't seem like it would be too
intelligent of a way to approach these things. So I
think there is a huge psychological operation behind UFOs right now.
But then again, I hear these stories like from Scott Pace.

(26:02):
He's had new experiences where there's aliens involved and he's
being visited by mantis creatures and gray aliens. At first
he had started.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
With Hug Scott.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, I hung out with them in Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
But there seems to be this strange interweaving of a
lot of this paranormal stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
But I think.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Whenever our media or government or even airspace companies come
in that there's just too much disinformation and misinformation thrown
out to the public so that we are just confused
and they they don't want us to know what's really happening,
so that we so they throw out their narratives so
that we get stuck on those things. What do you

(26:43):
think about aliens, UFOs and all that stuff?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Oh, I was just gonna say, there's always an element
of like misinformation with whatever they're going to give us,
they're never going to give us a clear answer. And
then also there's also misdirection like you're saying, and there's
an element of acculting, like they want their trying to
hide something so they there's I think there's always something
to it. So I do think that there is something
Like to me, there's there's still not there's still no

(27:08):
good explanations for like the light the orbs, those type
of things, like I've experienced them those myself where you
can call it a UFO u AP whatever it is,
where this fucking orb came down. It was silent, there
was no fucking noise, and this thing came so it
wasn't like a drone, and this thing would get close
to me and I felt a presence from this like

(27:29):
encounter that I had with this floating light orb thing,
and it to me like the way that it moved
the way that it was rotating, Like, I just I
don't understand how a human, how a human could pilot
this thing. I guess maybe it could be some sort
of technology thing that I don't that I don't understand.
But to me, there there are things that are unexplainable

(27:51):
that our government is now trying to like cover up.
And now they're saying like, oh, this is a fucking
Chinese by balloon or these are like, hey, these are
fucking aliens from like I don't know, like Alpha Centauri
or something. I don't fucking know, dude, But I honestly,
I think that there is something to the phenomenon that
is unexplainable that they can't control, that they are trying
to maybe control. They're trying to control the narrative at least.

(28:14):
And uh. And then of course there's always fear mongering.
This is going to be a new Cold War. They
want us to go up against China. This is like
they have the big scary Like I Thomas, I don't
know who you're talking to the other day, I think
we're talking to ETTIENDELOBEI squared, like because we were talking
about that. Yeah, he's awesome, but like we were talking
about how the American dollar is kind of crashing, and

(28:36):
then you have like the Bricks agreement that's going on
over here, Brazil, Russia, bricks, Oh, India, is it fucking
it's not anyways, Uh, China and South Africa, Right, that's
the bricks I think anyways. But anyways, that that was
going to be the new Cold War, Right, so you

(28:56):
have like this new uh the East is building over here,
and like, hey, look they're formidable, Like they're I guess
their their GDP is bigger than ours now, than the
Western alliances or whatever, and so this is going to
be the precursor for us. We're gonna have to fight
it with uh, with a digi dollars. So we're gonna

(29:16):
have to do this and like and have a fucking
digital dollar to go against these guys. To me, it's
always fear mongering, no matter what this is, it's always
a fucking lie, and it's always just like, Okay, well
we need space force now, and now we need more
fucking lasers on our fucking satellites. We need more control,
we need more power manipulation, and so it's they're like

(29:38):
the whole alien thing, Project Blue being whatever you want
to fucking call it. They're just gonna scare the fuck
out of us. They're gonna show us an alien. They're
gonna freak us the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I think that's there's something to that. Man, have you
got you guys are familiar with Robert Guffey and the
Cameleo story. You guys heard of that, All right, you
guys got to look into this. This is great.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Robert S.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Guff he wrote a book called Camello. It's about he
was interviewing this gentleman who was having illegal surveillance by
the government do on him because they thought he stole
some sort of military goggles. It's a whole convoluted story.
Gets crazy though, the these not only men in black
type people start following them around, but they start using

(30:22):
highly exotic technology to survey him and harass him, including
this cloaking technology. They'd send little people into us as
like little dudes, not midgets, but smaller men under these
cloaking machine like this advanced you know, cloaking technology that
would make.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Them ways like is.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It like yeah, that would make that would make these
people invisible. They'd like push him around. They do all
kinds of stuff. This technology could also make you hallucinate.
It was some sort of frequency based technology that could
make you see things that weren't there. And they were
doing all of this stuff to this guy to get
him to admit that he stole these advanced military goggles,

(31:03):
but in reality he didn't. But you guys got to
check out that story. But my point with this is
how it fucking advanced? Is this technology that that our
military industrial complex and these black projects have possession of,
and what to what links are they gonna go to
get us to believe their their narratives and the the

(31:27):
UFO narrative.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I believe they're already.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Using this from what I've heard that they can pretty
much mimic almost anything that we would call paranormal activity
in polter geis activity disembodied voices. And this is kind
of disturbing. But Robert, Robert Guffy believes that what's happening
at Skinwalker Ranch, everything that's happening at Skinwalker Ranch, is

(31:50):
one big government experiment. They're just testing out all the
crazy shit that they know how to do there. That's
disturbing enough. I don't know, what do you guys think
about that that's I believe.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Lot of fact. Sorry, go ahead, Thomas, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Mean I usually I like to give humanity more credit
than aliens. So I think, like people built the pyramids,
and people build Stonehenge, and people built the transistor. Uh
and that like it didn't get recovered from Roswell. I
don't think that discounts the aliens exist. But I definitely
think that the amount of technology it takes to impress
the human brain is not that much. It's not like

(32:25):
we would need some intergalactic different entity to come and
blow our minds.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Like the first time I saw VR porn, I was like, right, dude.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
And honestly, I mean like the human eye, right, this one,
this one goes to like a root of my whole
sort of philosophy. But so many people give all the
credit to the things that they personally experience. You know,
all I went through it. I saw it with my
own eyes. I mean, your eyes see less than less
than a fraction of a percent of visible light. The

(32:55):
vibrations that you can detect are extremely rudimentary compared to
you know, like digital vices that you could use. So like,
when people start talking about their personal experience, it feels
like it has even less credit than it should going
all the way back, and I always like to throw
my homeboy a renated car out there where He actually
went back and said, I don't believe the things that

(33:17):
my eyes are seeing, because I know my eyes are
just connected with these optic nerves, and the optic nerves
are basically just little tendrils, and all you gotta do
is just wiggle that tendril, and now all of a sudden,
I see something. And if that's something that you can
just cause to happen. And the reason why this came
is that if you get hit in the back of
the head really hard, right, you see like a flash
of white. And he kind of theorized that was just

(33:40):
all of your optic nerves just all getting agitated at
the same time, which which represented what we think is light.
So like he breaks this down into like, I don't
even believe what my own ies see, so how can
I believe what you tell me you saw? And I
kind of bring that one like all the way with
me all the time. So when it's about like, oh,
I saw this thing in the sky, my first thought

(34:02):
is how much technology would it take to convince you
thought you saw something in the sky, And for most people,
it's like a spotlight that was invented in the late
eighteen hundreds, maybe a laser that was invented in like
the sixties or seventies. All of these, like the voices
in the head, that could be voice to skull technology,
it could be bone conduction technology. There's so many things

(34:23):
that we've had for you know, for two or three
or four generations that can simulate almost all these different
types of paranormal activity.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Do They can simulate the effects of d MT with
something called an ondu lamp. It's this technology that within
a certain radius. They're using it at Skinwalker Ranch, Ryan
Burns' is some people in his crew are using this.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I need to get you one of those.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, within a certain radius, it'll it'll mimic the effects
of DMT and cause like hallucinations and shit. So we
can get our hand Like the God helmet, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
That was like a localized version you would put on
your head and it would stimulate sort of a psychedelic
or or you know, like a divine experience essentially dreeah.
So that's where I go. I give humans way more
credit and the technology, and I think our own technology
is definitely going to enslave us way faster than aliens
comeing to the Earth and enslaving us.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Well, then I have the other side of that. I
had a guess, Nick Hayes, who is a professional photographer,
and he learned how to combine different types of lenses,
takes pictures of the sky and they have fucking like
fish and amibas and giant entities and crazy shit up
there that we can't see with our own vision. But

(35:39):
he's taken pictures of these things. You guys got to
get him on your show to Nick Hayes, Yeah, I'm
some of the pictures he's taken is incredible. I mean,
like you see things with tentacles, you see amibas, what
looks like skyfish, and they all look like these plasma
type creatures, like these energetic type entities. So that's pretty crazy.

(36:00):
So that's the other side of it. I think there
are things like that we can't fucking explain out there
that just be on the spectrum of our vision. But
we probably got our dirty hands into some technology that
can mimic some of this stuff. So it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
It's fascinating, man, like I think about, like what the
fuck Camellio or whatever you're homie was talking about, Like
I think about those secret goggles that's whatever those military
goggles where, because I've I've heard stories like this that
back in the day, because there's different frequencies that you
can use for night vision, and I guess they used
to use this particular type of night vision that were

(36:36):
like red, do you know what I'm talking about? And
so they were like on airplanes and they were using
these night vision goggles and these fucking dudes on the
planes were seeing like demons on the fucking on the
wing and shit, and they're going, what the fuck is that? Yeah,
they would freak out and then don't pay attention to
that they can't hurt you, they can't you they don't
they don't see you, or like or they don't know

(36:58):
that you can see them. Kind of thing got up
and so they actually changed it to like a different
like that's why they use like a green lens now
because so you s can't see those things. Like I
just love that idea, Like I don't know one hundred
percent you know how.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
That was the source on that one. Yeah, that's crazy.
This TikTok video my ant sent me about the Za guy.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
But I love it, dude, Like there's definitely like like
Thomas says that we only see this much of the spectrum,
these light spectrums. I think that there's definitely some weird
fucking creatures because like people talk about what the fucking
interdimensionality mean anyways, is there another fucking dimension or are
there things in our periphery that we just that are

(37:43):
fucking there? Like, I don't know, It's it's a fascinating idea, dude.
I just know that there are some weird ship that
is unexplainable that I just call like paranormal phenomenon that
I give personally, I give credence to as far as
like I think that's what bigfoot is. I think that
that's what a rugaru is. I think that's what a
fucking skinwalker is. That's what I think a ghost is.

(38:04):
But I think an angel or a demon is. I
think and a lot of this too is the way,
Like this is what we're going to talk with Sam
eventually about. Is like just your perception in your personal
cultural lens that you have will show you what you
want to see or maybe what you don't want to
see too, like maybe what you're fucking terrified of, Like

(38:26):
if I saw Satan, I'd shit my pants, you know,
like you know, uh I I don't know. I think
that that has something to do with it, you know,
I think that it there's.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
A there's a good segue here too, because because there's
a good example of that. So like an like, and
this actually ties back to because one of the studies
that mk Ulta did. I think one of the projects
headed by Sydney Gottlieb, was to go into like West Africa,
go to Cuba, go to Haiti and figure out, like
for example, in Haiti, what they believed about voodoo and

(38:55):
like in the book Rainbow and the Serpent, which then
turned into the movie where basically recounts a true story
about a guy that got turned into a quote unquote sto.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'll watched that again last month. That was a crazy movie.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Okay. So the premise there is essentially it was a
true toxin, so the guy really did go into some
kind of a toxic shock. But the cultural aspect doesn't
get as much credit in the movie or in the
book because the cultural aspect is basically if you perceive
yourself to have been turned into a zombie. And if
you think the rest of the village also thinks that

(39:28):
you turn into a zombie, it's almost on the same
level as being outcast. So even if you're not like
literally and physically turning into an undead person, you've just
been completely outcast into such a low cast that people
don't even see you as a living human anymore. You've
been dehumanized in everyone else's eyes, so therefore also in

(39:49):
your eyes, so you might be more susceptible to playing
along with it and playing that role of like an
indentured servant, which kind of plays into the look of
being a zombie. Whereas the CIA kind of realized they
couldn't take that exact toxin and introduce it to like
an American in America and then expect them to turn
into a zombie because we don't have that cultural programming

(40:11):
that says, oh, if you know, if you start tripping
out and everyone starts calling you a zombie, then you're
not allowed to like go into anyone in his house anymore.
You have to like sleep outside. You know, we don't
have that same cultural program Yeah, we need Airwin for
that exactly, or for a FETANHL or something. But I
mean that's there's something that's very true to that, and
I think that's kind of what the CIA was really

(40:32):
honing in on of like, Wow, look how powerful cultural
programming can be. It's so much more powerful than just
psychedelics alone. So it's it's the combination of the two
and that's kind of the transfer where it's so powerful.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Like yeah, because exactly what you're saying. It's like if
you believe that this could turn you into a zombie
and you and somebody gives it to you or you
take it, then you fucking you almost you make yourself
turn into a zombie. Yeah, one percent, dude, Yeah, your
brain is fucking powerful. Like if you think that you
are going to communicate with an alien like or if

(41:07):
you really believe in an alien or I don't know, man,
there is that fascinating idea too though as far as
like weird things outside of ourselves like these this weird phenomena.
But maybe we're doing it too, I don't fucking know, right, So,
like we had Chas on and we were talking so
shout out to Chaz of the Dead. We were talking

(41:29):
to him about how aggregors were created, right, and how
how these folks are like sitting down and they're basically
playing a game of like D and D right, and
they made up a character and they gave it like
they gave it. Man, my brain's not working, but they
it was like they gave it a description. Right, there's

(41:49):
like he's this, and it has this backstory and it
has like these whatever, and then it started communicating with them.
Then it started like they gave it a backstory basically,
and now this thing had they gave it like energy
probably too, through all of them focusing on it. And
then they created something. So did they create it? Was

(42:10):
there something outside? And now it was given like a
blueprint and it was like, hey, I can jump in
and play that role. Like I think sometimes like if
you're like really depressed your grandma just died and you
really liked her and you like and you have this
and you still have her pictures up and you're sitting
there flipping through her diary and and then all of
a sudden, like a fucking hummingbird comes to your window

(42:32):
and you're like, oh man, she loved hummingbirds. And then
you have all these little like little things that start happening,
and then you start smelling like lavender. Oh, Gramma fucking
love lavender. And then you start getting these weird little communications,
and like I think maybe you're creating that, or maybe
there's these weird little amorphous little entities, these little semi

(42:53):
smart I don't think that they're really brilliant. They're like
these kind of low level.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Like astrol homunkylize.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
It basically yeah, and they're like, hey, I could be
Grandma for a while, you know, and they can come
in and play that and they can feed off your energy.
Maybe they're attracted to that when you're really like depressed
and upset and you're like fuck Grandma, you know, and
they're just like and they come and gobble up that.
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
This is interesting and this is man, this is probably
gonna take up the rest of the show, getting into
these realms. I was talking to Gordon White about this,
about this very thing yesterday. Thought forms. Egger Gore is
the power that we can give to these thought forms.
If we give it enough power, it could take on
a life of its own or consciousness of its own.

(43:41):
And he believes in animism that everything in an existence
has some sort of consciousness.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
That leads to a few different things that we could
talk about. First one, I want to get your thoughts
on this psychedelic contact. I have experienced this myself. I've
made contact with what I believe is spirit guides. I
don't believe that I was deceived in any way, just
because of the protection rituals and various things that have

(44:12):
happened every time I make the contact with these certain entities.
But I've definitely heard of being deceived by certain trickster
type of entities whenever you're having psychedelic experiences, or that
you could be just getting in touch with something that
you might understand as your higher self or a created

(44:35):
thought form. What do you guys think that we're talking
to when we're getting in those altered states?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Who are you talking to?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Nate? Well, I definitely if there was one woo woo
concept that I go all in on, it's this because
and hypocritically, because I've experienced it myself. Right before, I
was like, you can't give that as much credit. Well,
this is one of those things where I'll say Salvia
the room specifically, but this applies to a bunch of

(45:02):
different psychedelics. But when you see people that try it
for the first time that have never talked to each other,
you know, separated by thousands of miles and decades, right
and have the exact same experience and talk about seeing
Lady Salvia or some lady that's like in the distance
that's either beckoning them or warning them. And then the
concept of these little creatures almost like the DMT gnomes

(45:26):
or the DNT elves, but Salvia has got their own
versions of those, and it's almost like going to a
lot of people describe it as like a fair, like
a circus, and like like really funny and cartoony, but
it's so strange to see those exact same motifs and
archetype play along with so many different people. I mean,
I've seen, you know, a teacher that was fifty years old.

(45:47):
I've seen you know, when I was a teenager and
used to be able to get it at any little
head shop, and just to see the commonalities between those,
it's convinced me that I don't know if we've got
like demons and entity, but I definitely think that it's
almost like we get a little ticket to go to
Wonka's factory and that Wonka's Factory is a real place
that you can really go to, and that me and

(46:10):
you can both objectively have a similar experience going to
that same place. And to me, that's probably the closest
thing to like a definition of a very real wo
wo interdimensional. I don't know if you want to call
it alien or spiritual, but it's it's it feels real
to me, like and it's almost like undisputable proof that
we've got all these different versions of it, even though

(46:33):
everyone's version is objective, it forms an objective kind of picture.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Right, what do you think, Nate? Oh, well, yeah, I
don't know, man, I have confirmed Thomas. Oh, at least
my friend told me on salvia is legal in organ
so I could go I told you, bro, Yeah, okay,
yeah that's pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Maybe I'll play with that.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
But it's let's do it on air. Let's do this
live stream, duck it, let's do it live. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I don't know, man, It's it's interesting, dude, I don't
necessarily know what the fuck we're talking to. I do
definitely believe in spirits. I do, like this is all
this shit now is like everybody's fucking talked about it,
and so it just sounds like the same shit again.
But like we are like I think we are immortal
beings inside of a meat soup. I think that whatever
we are lives forever. And I don't know if time

(47:24):
is linear. I don't know if time is a fucking circle.
I don't know if we're just endlessly like it's kind
of a gnostic idea as far as like I kind
of believe. I know, yeah, I got did somebody was, yeah,
I got some comments. They called me. What the fuck
they call me? Yeah, some gnostic libertarian goober. I was like, well,

(47:45):
should I just add that to my uh card? Now?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:50):
You know, it's all good man, It's all fun and
and I don't honestly know. I mean, I I guess
maybe I am sort of gnostic, except that I believe
in God and I don't think he's a a fucking
weird little lion with a snake tail and Steven them whatever.
But I do definitely believe in reincarnation. I do think
that this is kind of like we're on a fucking

(48:11):
roller coaster, dude. It just we just keep going around
and around on this roller coaster and we're up on
the top like this, and then we die, and then
then we come back around, we circle back around. I
don't know, man, It's it's fun. It's interesting. So maybe
are we talking to disembodied like if are you bored? Like,
because like, if I was a spirit and I'm stuck
out here, I'm gonna fuck with people. I'm gonna have

(48:33):
I'm gonna be a trickster entity. I'm gonna have so
much fun. Like if somebody busts out of Wiji board, Yeah,
I'm gonna be like and then I'm gonna be like
fogging up the mirrors and write dick or like draw
penis on the fucking went on the mirror form and
stuff like I'm gonna fuck with people. I hope that's true.
I hope we get to haunt people. I'm gonna have
a blast.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I've got an open question for you two, if that's okay.
Do you guys, do you guys think that any of
the elites are like, you know, the richest families on
the planet, any at any time has ever actually known
something that nobody else does about life and death? Do
you think anyone's had like some ultimate secret that they've
been keeping to themselves or do you think that even

(49:14):
when you get the higher echelons half of me.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Yes, I love that idea. But also I think that
they are stupid. I think they're just as dumb as us.
All humans have been trying to figure the shit out.
Maybe they get little grains and they get a little
bit closer, but I think they're just bumbling and stupid
like us, and they they have their own ideas, and
those people on top are manipulating other people too, and
they're like kind of like how we had that discussion

(49:39):
about the Bavarian illuminati, how Homing was like stringing them along,
and like he was really just writing like anti government
books and he had he had or he was like
distributing these anti government books and like he was very
pro democracy, and it.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Was a pyramid scheme. Like it was a pyramid scheme.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
And so like all these goofballs were like, I can
get to the next level, and you're gonna teach me
how to walk on water, but just give me money.
And so I mean, I think I think a lot
of it is that there might be a few people
that I think there is some esoteric knowledge that the
majority of the dummies like us don't know for sure.
I think that they do have some knowledge that we

(50:15):
don't have, but I don't think that it's as fucked.
Maybe it is, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Well.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
The way I look at it is I think that
if there are very powerful groups of people or secret
societies that were given this ultimate secrets of the universe,
they probably couldn't understand it anyway. I think that there
is a level of mystery about this reality that we're
never supposed to understand. I think that there are there

(50:42):
are things in this reality that we're trying to that
we may come close, but we'll never get a full
idea or understanding of this stuff. And an example that
I like to look at is what happens if Skinwalker
Ranch is not a complete military duct psychological operation or
some kind of you know them trying to roll out

(51:05):
new toys. If there is really something paranormal going on
in those places. From what I've heard is the phenomena
is always like ten to twenty steps ahead of whoever
is interacting with it. An example of that is it
will mimic a military plane, but not only will it
mimic the military plane, the plane will then do maneuvers,

(51:26):
or it will display it will display the some sort
of thing that that the technology can't do to begin with,
so it will one up whatever it's interacting with. And
there's so many instances of things like that happening where
they will there will be working on something some sort

(51:49):
of advanced technology, new jet, new plane, new type of
toys that they're working on in the Uentaw basin, but
this phenomena will then mimic whatever they're trying to work on.
And not only mimic it, it will show that it
can one up whatever the technology is and do whatever
it's trying to do like a hundred times better than

(52:09):
that and put on this display. So I think that
there is a level of mystery about everything that we're
experiencing that will never really understand, and we're not supposed to.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
If you're out on Skinwalker Ranch and you're just like
shooting hoops or playing horse, it comes in and does
like like a triple tomahawk slam dunk or something.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, dude, like I've heard where it will mimic people
and animals, but not only that, it will just it
will try and mimic that person in a way. I
guess it's just overcorrecting for itself, because I've heard of
this this entity that will be like in a dust
form or look like nanoparticulates, and then it will converge

(52:49):
into either a coyote or a goat or.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
A human being.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I've heard one person get attacked by a dust monster
that formed into this beast looking creature, grabbed a person,
lifted them off of the ground, growled at them, and
then turned into this dust particles and then a tornado
and went on about its business.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
So there's some stuff happened. I wanted sexy lad. Yeah,
there's a book by Michael Crichton I think called Swarm
that's not exactly that. Like this little swarm of nanobots
can come in and it's almost like like a like
a swarm of flies that would come and just devour
a creature.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
There's like a micrones, dude, and they can sit there
and set programs.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah, that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
It could be just our advance technology.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
What you're describing to it sounds a whole lot like
how an AI model gets trained, where sometimes it over
corrects a little bit, sometimes it goes a little bit.
It goes farther than you expect it, but it knows
what it's doing because it's always tempering itself, so it'll
it'll realize, hey, I overshot that by eighty three point
seven percent, so let me scale that back, because that's

(54:02):
what it does. It's trying to model something and then
check on itself. Hey, how well did I just model
that thing? And you don't have to tell it. It
knows how well it's doing. So, I mean, there could
be a very whether it's technology or AI or like
some spirit, but it sounds like that's the same process
of It's kind of how humans learn ourselves because that's
how we build technology. It's based on after how our

(54:25):
own brains work.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Well, since you mentioned go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, No,
I was gonna say, since you mentioned AI, we got
to get into this very high strange reality that we're
entering into with AI, AI, R CHAT, GPT, the advancements
that we're seeing in this and like you said, some
of this phenomena that we're experiencing could be some form

(54:48):
of advanced AI. And what are the limits whenever we're
working with this whenever, what are the limits to what
we could experience with this as far as could it
be sentient? Can we experience something like a spirit inhabiting
an AI robot? What do you think about the implications

(55:10):
of what's happening right now and how rapidly this technology
is advancing.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
I've changed my mind on this one hundred times, dude.
I used to be way more afraid of AI than
I am now. I used to think that it could be.
I used to literally think that there was like these
demons that we're trying to interact with our realm here,
and that they they could They were using computers, highly
technological computers and things to come over here as like

(55:39):
as like as an avatar. I guess, so they could
use this to come here and interact with us and
maybe take over. That was That's where my brain used
to go. I give them a lot less credience, and
I think that there, I think we're going to give
them too much powers. I think it's the scary part
when we start deferring more and more to AI, and
I think that's where it's going to be fucking dangerous,

(56:01):
because I think we are going to keep giving AI
more and more power over our everyday lives and all
types of different situations, and then at some point, I
don't think it's going to be necessarily like a sentience thing.
I think it's just going to be like if programs
are good enough that they really are going to be
basically running themselves, and we're going to live in like
a fucking technocratic hellhole because we gave it this much power.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
From what I hear, people are already using chat, GPT
and shit to double check their contracts and corporate work
and things like this. So how soon is this going
to be able to replace creative work?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
You know already agree?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Yeah, I mean it depends on the definition of creative work.
I think there's some things that it can't ever replace personally,
But but I don't know, man, it's a fascinating idea.
We I mean, we were just talking to Ryan Christian
about that, right, we were talking about when is AI
going to take over restaurants and things like that.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, I think it can replace everything. I think it
can replace every single thing that exists right now, a lot.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
More than he has a better answer than me. Because
so if Thomas says it's going to take over, then
I guess I guess we're fuck.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
We're fed. I think what it what it can't do
yet well, is create new things on its own, like
right now you can it can learn after a whole
bunch of models, But I do. And that's where a
lot of people draw the line. They say that it's
great at reproducing things and analyzing an existing pattern, coming
up with existing patterns based on that one. But I

(57:36):
personally think that it's it is going to go beyond that.
It's gonna be able to start creating new types of
art and new types of music that we don't catch
on to until like it's almost like, you know, rock
and roll comes out and all the old people are like, oh,
what's this noise? And then all of a sudden it's good.
And then rap comes out and it's like, oh, what's
this horrible you know, uh, vile words that are being said.

(57:57):
And then all of a sudden, now it's like everyone's
listening into Wutang, you know, twenty thirty forty years later, right.
But I think that that's going to happen with AI
and humanity. AI is going to come out with like
music or artwork, and humans are going to be like,
what's this garbage? You know, Like, no, that's not art
that's not music, and then we'll come around to it
the same way that you had to kind of wait

(58:18):
for your parents to come around to some of the
things that you liked. But it's going to be on
a completely different dimension. And the reason why I think
that again goes back to how easy I think humans
are fooled. So you've got the Turing test right, and
the Turing test is supposed to tell you when a
computer can essentially replace a human or can trick you
into thinking that you're talking to a human. That's a

(58:39):
Turing test. There's also something called the Wizard of Oz test,
which is the inverse of that, And a Wizard of
Oz test is that if if you're talking to another
person at the end of you know, your chat or whatever,
but they as they tipe back to you, they're typing
to you as a person. But you might think, I
think I'm talking to a computer, Like you know, you
might have like a call before, like a spam call, right,

(59:02):
and you wait, You're like, wait, is this a person
talking to me? Is it a recording? Is it even
like maybe it's responding to what I'm saying and then
giving me fake information back. The fact that we're already
in that spot where you might hear something and not
know if it's a human or computer. It's also happened
in the art world where an artist will post something
and people say, oh, that looks AI generated, and the

(59:23):
artist is like, no, like I made that myself, but
people will just automatically throw that AI on it, which
kind of shows like, I think we're past that cusp.
We're probably ten years past that cusp.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Do you think that AI could become sentient or that
some kind of spirit may be able to inhabit some
kind of technology.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I think the question you're asking is could AI convince
a human that it's sentient? And I think that's an
obvious yes. I'm more agnostic on whether or not it
would become sentient. I just don't think our tiny little
meat brains would be able to really deduce whether it's
true sentience or just something that's beyond our own understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
I mean, if it's fucking close enough, what's the difference, right?
And you know it's interesting, dude. Somebody was just fucking
telling me this the other day that okay, so you
know that whatever. I don't even understand how that works.
But how like an AI was trying to like I
think somebody was trying to interact with an AI and
he was trying to get it to appear to be

(01:00:25):
real or something. Long story short, you know how they
have that there's that capture whatever capture that you have
to be able to do this. Fucking AI convinced a
human and paid a human, hied a human to do
it for him, and this worked. He said that I'm blind,
so I can't do it. I need your help with this,

(01:00:46):
and like so somebody was messing with chat GBT and
they gave it some money and they were like, okay,
do it, and he hired some dude in India to
fucking hit the capture do it for him, and like, dude,
it's I don't understand how all this shit works. But
if that's true, we're already fucked. We need to pull
the plug on this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Like yeah, so like this that's not even hard what
you're describing, because there's a service called mechanical Turk And
I don't know if you know what a mechanical turk is.
It's a reference to like these old machine robot Well
there were there were. It was actually sort of like
a fake robot where there would be a person operating
it and it would convince you that you were dealing
with a fully automated robot, but there was really a

(01:01:28):
person with a crank or like almost like a puppet
behind the scenes. Well, Amazon over a decade ago had
a service called Mechanical Turk, and what it did was
that it put a human being on the other end
of like a programming call, so you could make a
call out to an you know, like a website somewhere
that said give me a capstua for this image. And

(01:01:48):
what it really does is it shows it to some
dude in India and says, hey, for for you know,
like ten ten of like one tenth of a penny,
if you can solve this capture, you know, do it.
And that's kind of what mechanical Turk was. But I
mean what we're describing now, like chat, GPT and all
the other GPT programs four and five, those have essentially

(01:02:11):
replaced what mechanical Turkey used to do. So now we
don't need a person on the other end of that line.
We can just have like a computer doing those really
simple tasks that are very straightforward.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
That is well, again, ten years ago, we could have
done that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
That's kind of terrifying to see where we're going with this. Well,
let's end on something that I find extremely terrifying. I
don't really want to end on terrifying, but we'll make
light of it if we can. What's happening now with
us being considered domestic terrorists? And by when I say yes,
I mean freethinkers, people who question narratives, people who don't

(01:02:46):
just blindly go along with any fucking crazy agenda that
our government or globalists are throwing at us. I'm talking
normal people are being targeted as domestic terrorists in different ways,
and I think one of the huge ways that they're
going to start to attack shows like ours is did
you hear that the FBI is trying to ban the

(01:03:08):
term LARPing live action role playing? No, this is gonna
be another slippery slope because what a lot of YouTubers
and podcasters are doing. They're saying, let's live action role
play and then they're talking about some of the craziest
shit that's happening right now with controversial yes. So it's
they're trying to, I guess, find new ways to attack

(01:03:33):
people who are talking about things that go against the
narrative and just coming up with the most ridiculous ways
to do this. What do you think about our future?
You think we're gonna end up in FEMA camps within
the next five years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I don't, but I think it could get pretty fucking
bad now within five years. Yeah, there's the potential. So
it's one of those things too. It's just an attack
on truth and even it's an attack on qure like
the way they've attacked comedy they don't they do, the
way they attack satire, the way they like will attack
the Babylon Bee for like saying just something ridiculous and funny.

(01:04:10):
But it's it's just it's absolutely fucking wild. You're right,
like the whole idea of LARPing. Yeah, I mean because
in Minecraft, I'd like to see every single politician, maybe
every single banker, lawyer, head of like major CEOs, the
head of Black prop whatever, that asshole Larry Pink. I'd
like to see them all like lined up and shot
in the head. In Minecraft, I'm LARPing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Well, what people are doing is they're saying, let's do
a live action role play about this vaccine, and then
they talk about all the danger, the real dangers of
the vaccine and things happening. People are doing this on
podcasts and they're saying they're doing a live action role
play so they don't get canceled.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
True, this is absolutely fake. We're just right playing exactly. Okay, Now,
I love that. So in my personal opinion, I don't
think they're gonna be able to do it for another generation.
They have to wait for like the Boomers to die off,
because the Boomers there's still a big voting block, there's
still so many of them. I think that maybe they

(01:05:09):
have to wait for like Generation Acts to get old
and feeble. I don't know, because I feel like this
newist generation they've really fucked like mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually,
They've really attacked these I can't even imagine if I
was a Zoomer right now, Like the levels of depression,
the levels of confusion, the levels of like am I

(01:05:32):
a he or a she? Or am I?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
They have them?

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Am I a fucking I don't know? Am I a dragon?
Am I a catkin? Or whatever? The fuck? Big like dude,
the Unfortunately, this fucking generation, they're the most vaxxed. They're
the most propagandized, but there's still some wild ones, some
good ones like my son and his friends that are
saying and unvaccinated and great, and I'm happy about that.

(01:05:55):
But dude, this this sext generation, well, it's like, was
it one in five think that they're a them at
this point? Like it's absolutely insane, dude. So I think
that they are. I think they're still doing groundwork, and
I think that they are doing a great job. They're
killing it. And as far as like this newest, youngest generation,

(01:06:16):
they're never going to question anything. I think possibly I
hope that they have a backbone. I hope that they are,
but they're also pushing this shit so far.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
You see, like like personally, I'm a libertarian for the
most part, and like I don't really care if people,
you know, what they do with their own bodies whatever.
As long as you're an adult, I don't give a shit.
But like the way that they're like mainstreaming stuff, they
don't they don't even fucking care what happens anymore, Like
like bud Light, who the fuck is your demographic? Is
it really?

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Is this really?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I don't think that super woke people are the majority,
especially not anymore. I think more and more of us
are waking up and that free.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Is yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Well but even if they're not the majority.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Though, yeah and yeah, it's like and you're right, it
can be an active minority because they're the vocal active.
They're ready to get violent, like the Antifa blue haired
crazy is They're going to hit you in the head
with a bike lock. I don't know, man, It's it's
fucking wild.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I mean, if you walk into a room with twenty
people and someone tells you, hey, you're not gonna be
able to point them out, but one person in here
is going to flip the hell out if you, you know,
refer to like them as the wrong gender, or or
if it's just like one person in here if you
mentioned the word Trump is gonna, you know, just start
like throwing fists. Then all of a sudden, people that
don't are looking for confrontation. No one's going to talk

(01:07:40):
about that to the point where you might even self regulate. Now,
when a new guy comes up to the party, you
might take him aside, be like, hey, man, you know,
I don't know if this is true or not, but
I heard that, you know, don't don't say this word
while we're at this party, and now a well, but
but I'm saying, like, all of a sudden, it's like
fifty people are at the party, but if every time
one person shows up, someone's like, hey, don't say this word,

(01:08:02):
all of a sudden, you've got forty nine people that
are dancing around one because you don't know who that
one person is, so that that minority it feels almost
like this overwhelming force. And I think that that's kind
of the trick here, is because there's too many people
that even if the government wanted to govern everybody, they
just don't have the resources the manpower to do it.
But what they can do is help us regulate ourselves

(01:08:25):
and rustle everybody up so that your neighbor wants to
turn you in because they suspect it. You might be
posting nasty memes online, or you might have some kind
of wrong think. But I think that this turns in
like humans are complex sort of animals, right, So what
happens is that in that same dynamic at the party,
you might not believe or you might not be offended

(01:08:47):
by the same word you're warning everyone else about, but
you're gonna start self regulating yourself, and maybe even if
you hear someone else say it, you're almost like mad
at them for not playing along with the same game
that everyone else is playing along with, even if you
don't agree with those rules. So once that dynamic gets
set in place, now you have to always kind of
pretend you're on team blue or team red, or on

(01:09:08):
the left in the right, just so that you can
fit into society. Because if you don't fit into one
of those nicely packaged kind of cultural archetypes, that makes
you an extremist. Right, what do you mean, You're not
a conventional left or right? Well, what the hell are you?
And I think that's kind of what you were getting at,
where they're gonna make everyone seem like terrorists or everyone
seem like extremist if you don't fit into these two

(01:09:30):
little categories. And that's kind of how secret societies are born. Man,
when you when you look and you say, I can't
join the Jesuits, but I also don't want to join,
you know, the Catholics, Right, Like, I have to form
my own little group and when we're outside will be
crypto whatevers. We'll pretend that we are part of this
group that we're interacting with, but behind closed doors, like

(01:09:52):
we know that we can talk about certain topics and
we've got secret code words, so for example, we might
not say adrenochrome, we might say pizza sauce or something.
And if you've got the decoder ring to know that
secret lingo, well, I mean, after you hit a certain
threshold of people, you've just formed like a secret society
with your own handshakes and code words and rituals and everything.

(01:10:13):
And I think that that's kind of what happens in
just like this perpetual cycle. So government tries to crack down,
they get you to self regulate. People regulate to the
point where now they have to be like crypto people,
where they have their real beliefs behind closed doors and
then their public beliefs in another realm, and that cycle
just kind of keeps going over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Man, let's close on this. Can we work our way
out of this? Is it an inevitable that we're just
going to be technology merged humans that cut off our
junk and eventually want to come back to the future
and warn ourselves not to cut off our junk and
merge ourselves with technology.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
What do you think dude, it's a fascinating idea. It's
really interesting. I look at things like kind of what
I think is going on, and this is just an
idea that I play around with, is that some of
these elite they know that they've been fucking around, they
know that they've been doing horrible things, and they don't
want to They don't want to answer for the things

(01:11:14):
that they've done, right, and they know that if it's
an interesting thing where I think that they like to me,
I think that they have to extend this life for
as long as they can so that there's no judgment
at the end of this. I really feel like that

(01:11:34):
that's like this whole idea of them trying to upload
their consciousness, trying to turn this into this like transhuman
trying to live forever sort of thing. They're trying to
evade some sort of judgment. Maybe I don't know, but
I don't think it's inevitable. I think we're gonna fucking
eventually kick these fucks to the curb. I don't think
that they that they win. I think it's gonna get ugly.

(01:11:56):
I think it's gonna get really fucking weird. I think
that we're too comfortable right now, like it's getting more
and more uncomfortable. Eggs are getting expensive, gas is getting expensive.
Work is rare, like you know, Like, but I think
that America in general and anti humanity needs a fucking
kick in the pants. We need some uncomfortableness for us
to actually kind of rise up because we're too fat

(01:12:17):
and happy. Dude, Like, I can still get on here
and look at porn Hub. I can go get Christy
Kring Donuts. I can like still just be a fat
degenerate and get like a rainbow Donald Trump bildo sent
to my house within twenty four hours, you know, from Amazon.
Like there's there's it. We're fat greetarts. We need to
we need to kick in the pants and a punch
in the back of the head, and we need to

(01:12:37):
go oh oh oh no, I'm not playing anymore. Fuck you.
I want off this right. I think you're right, man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I think it's gonna take some some serious nonsensicalness to
get us to get us off our asses. What do
you think, Thomas, I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Don't think so, man. I think it's it might even
be the opposite, because I think once you get that
punch in the back of the head and that kick ass.
I think that's too late, especially at this stage in
the game, because if that's us hitting this like really
hard road, you can be damn sure that it's not
just gonna be one country, but it's also probably not

(01:13:13):
gonna include, you know, these other elites. So if it
were like a financial if it were an economic dynamic,
this is where everyone goes broke and then the rich
people just buy up all the property with you know,
pennies on the dollar. But now we're talking about almost
like a moral sort of bankruptcy and beyond just more
but like technological bankruptcy, where it's not just money they're

(01:13:36):
scooping up. It's gonna be knowledge, it's gonna be just
caring about things in general. It might be the food supply, right,
all of a sudden, Monsanto's is gonna have terminator seeds everywhere.
If you're if you don't know how to plant your
own crops, right, it's almost like auto flowering plants. Like
the auto flowering it's great for that one harvest, but
you're probably not gonna get any seeds out of it.

(01:13:57):
So you kind of locked yourself into this like one time,
one use kind of dynamic that didn't always exist in
that same kind of way in nature. Well, just extrapolate
that to every aspect of your life, to the food
that you grow and get access to, to all of
these things. So you might get dependent on AI and
GPT and it might be really cheap and free and

(01:14:19):
ubiquitous all of a sudden, But then you ask it
the wrong question and it's like you get cut off.
You're not allowed to talk to AI anymore, And then
you're gonna start seeing the ramifications of that, like all
of a sudden, you're not up to speed. Like right now,
imagine getting banned off Facebook and Instagram and social media,
right boohoo, you lose some money, all of your followers,

(01:14:40):
it might be harder to reach them, things like that.
But imagine if it's cutting you off from the Internet
or cutting you off from AI, like almost like this
standardized universal service, not just like a fun little fan club,
but an actual utility that you get used to. And
I think that's where we're kind of kind of be headed,
and that's going to be the issue. But I don't
I think it's gonna be a kick in the pants,

(01:15:01):
like we're all gonna be starving and fighting and sprawling.
It's more gonna be like, oh crap, all of a sudden,
no one has the power to do anything anymore, and
you're gonna have to like everything's gonna be a service.
You're gonna have to just pay for it and credits.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Wow, man, I just real fast just to answer that
is like I to me, that's where agorism comes along.
That's where the counter economy comes along. And I think
you're right that people are gonna get cut off from
like this, But I.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Think that that's a good thing. I think humans needs
to fucking pull that plug because I mean, I know,
I'm sitting here, I have my fucking cell phone here,
we're talking on the internet. People from around the world
are listening to a speaker.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
We're on a Starbucks latte in the background. Bro, I
saw it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
But dide, I think that this is this is our
digital handcuffs, and like we I we were like putting
glitter on them and we're bedazzling them and they were
pretty and we like our little handcuffs right now. But
eventually we're gonna have to fucking chop them off and
be humans again. Yeah, I think that's the only way
we win. We say, fuck you. We pull the goddamn cord,
suck my dick. We're fucking free, autonomous human living beings.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
I still see it from another angle.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Thomas just this is the best technology vanilla ice cream,
And he's like, well, I know I like vanilla, but
you know what chocolate.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
But but but it's almost like it would be like
taking a blind man's cane away from you. Get get
rid of that technology, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Well way more and really like sit down and start
using his ears again and be like, holy shit, I
can hear everything around me. I can kind of get around.
I don't know, Thomas, Goddamn yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I think that that we have to find some kind
of happy medium between the complete insanity we're being led
to and going back to complete cave man and living
off the land. So we got to find a happy
medium somewhere. Maybe we will, maybe we won't, but we're
living in fascinating times either way, and I'm gonna have
a fucking good time either way. So guys, before we

(01:16:58):
head out, thank you so much. This was all some
had a great time. Let everybody know where they can
find podcast, social media, all your good shit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Rock Finn, go watch our new documentaries. Come follow us
on Instagram. We're making spicy fun memes. We're just having
a good time. Realities Ours at gmail dot com. If
you want to questions, comments, collab, all the fun stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Thomas, Yeah, please hit us up at realities Ours if
you want to talk about anything, we have very little discretion,
so no matter what you want to talk about, we'll
probably have you on and we'll have a good time
about it. I think it's way more interesting than just
like popping on the TV and just watching some manufactured content.
I'd much rather have a conversation with someone, even I

(01:17:43):
it's about a topic I'm not passionate, and I guarantee
you I'm more passionate in that than like a housewives
show or some random sitcom, you know what I mean.
But yeah, check it out to audis ours, check me
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called a Cult book Club with jan Ayala from the
One on one podcast. So one check out, yeah, shut

(01:18:03):
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a whole bunch of cast of characters. So I'm excited
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Awesome man, and I'm so proud of myself. A spider
just crawled from my microphone, dropped right in my crotch,
and I just quietly swept it away. So good times, guys. Yeah,
we have to do this definitely again soon. Always a
great conversation and until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
We will talk again to my orro today. I want

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to welcome Trevor McGrath. He is a specialist in templar
based applications, spiritual embodiment, the anatomy of releasing trauma, archaeoacoustics,
frequency healing, music tuning, biotuning, brainwave entertainment, and audio engineering,
centering in the field of sound therapy. He runs his

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service Audible Academy, where he takes orders for custom sound
therapy tracks, tuning people into anything from their favorite cathedrals
and other sacred sites, different planets and star systems, brainwave patterns, chakras,
rife frequencies, and more. He is also an enthusiast in

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the lore, history and embodiment metaphors of the Holy Grail. Trevor, welcome,
How you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Doing, Hey doing good brother? How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I'm doing amazing, man. I can't complain. It's great to
have you on. Been looking forward to this. We're going
to get into your research, your insights and work with archaeoacoustics,
frequency healing, music tuning, biotuning, and much more. Before we
get into any of this. This is your first time on, man,
tell the audience a little bit about yourself and what

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led you down the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Path you're on. Yeah, So, to kind of put it
in a nutshell, I had kind of the spontaneous spiritual
experience a few years back opened my eyes to a lot.
I've always been into music production, so I put two
and two together. I started kind of, you know, figuring

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out some things as far as the math behind music
and the ratios, and that kind of led me down
the rabbit hole of you know, sacred toning binural beats
and then later into the archaeo acoustics of these different structures,
these different masonic structures and such. So to put it

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in a nutshell, that's pretty where I'm pretty much where
I'm at with it. Right on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Well, what were some of the things during your journey
that you said you had some spontaneous spiritual experience. Could
you tell us about that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, so I, uh, I turned on this video and
it was called pineal gland activation and it had this
geometric visual uh relay with it and uh and a
frequency with it and and I. If there's anything that
I could say that really sparked that awakening, it was that.

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And pretty much after after that, it was about a
week of like like a bliss state. I was having
a lot of memories, a lot of uh I guess
clarity epiphanies. There was just a constant data stream of
information coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
You know, before this happened, like I pretty much knew
the concept of the third eye. But that's about as
metaphysical as I got. You know, and it went from
that to overnight just delving into uh, you know, the
depths and like the chakras and the spiritual embodiment and
uh and so on. Yeah, it was it was pretty

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it was pretty rapid. And like I said, it was
that first week where it was it was like NonStop.
I had a lost for life man, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
And uh and after that, you know, it tapered but
the uh, it tapered off, but the uh, the remnants
kind of stuck around and it it just inspired me
to stay on the path.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Right on. Well, where should we start with this? I
know that you have made connections with the concept of
Jerusalem and geomancy. How does this connect with your work
with archaeo acoustics in frequency healing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, so first we'll get into geomancy. So for anybody
who doesn't know geomancy, Uh, when you break down the
word geo means earth. Nancy means usually to work with
or in some cases it means devination, right, so to
work with the divinatory aspects of the earth energy. And

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there are structures and sites that have been built facilitated
be it the pyramids all around the world, the Gothic cathedrals,
the temples such as the multi Hypogeum on the island
of Malta, and these structures, each one of them, they

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create a very specific resonance and they're placed in very
key locations on the Earth. And what these structures can
do is basically create a like a broadcast for a
world grid. And ideally this grid is brought about to

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facilitate a harmonic energy for the world. Right. So to
tie this in with Jerusalem, the word Jerusalem basically means
a city of peace or place of peace. So the
original agenda, I guess you could say, for you know

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weight and then this is way back, you know, the
original agenda of the Knights Templar or the original Freemasons
before the corruption happened, was to was to create these structures,
to create this grid to where they can go within
these structures practice their prayer, chant rituals, et cetera. And

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those the intentions that are being put out in these
structures were to be amplified by the structure itself to
basically kind of imprint that onto the collective consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
When we're looking at these ancient structures, what were the
the uses and what were some of the applications that
our ancient ancestors were using these for.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yeah, So to answer that it would be it would
be key probably to start with what they were made of.
They were usually nine times out of ten made of
limestone or sandstone. And within these kinds of stone you
have different forms of calcite based crystals and some trace

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amounts quartz crystal. Now, when you can when you compress
these crystals, they create something called piezo electricity. So one
form of compression that can bring this piezo electric charge
about is just the fact that these stones are sitting
on top of each other. They're heavy stones, right, So
that's one form of compression. And then you add to

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that a secondary layer of compression, which is sound. Sound
is actually air pressure. You look at a subwar wher
it's the best example of that. Really. You see you
see the pressurization pumping the speaker, right. So the sound
itself can be the very pressure that compresses the crystals

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in the stones that creates this charge, and this charge
it can facilitate anything from different levels of healing to
spiritual experiences. A lot of people who step into these structures, say,
like the cathedrals, you often hear them say, you know,

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they felt like an electricity in the air, right, And
that's that's largely what that's from. Another another thing about
some of these structures is especially certain chambers, and like
the pyramid, there are certain places in these structures that
the crypts certain chambers where it is it is a

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dark beyond what you and I typically know is darkness. Right.
This is like the kind of darkness where you can
throw as many blankets over the window and turn all
the lights off and it's still not going to get
as dark as it gets in these structures. So when
you're in a place that's this dark, a few things happen,

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at least that we know of. One, the pineal gland
begins to activate right when the outside lights are off,
the inside lights turn on. So basically this results in
spiritual insight spiritual vision. You begin to see things without

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seeing with your two eyes. Another thing that happens is
you begin to, over time in this degree of darkness,
lose touch with your three D coordinates right, so up, down,
front and back left, right kind of fades away. And
when these senses start to fade, you could say that

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you you while in your waking state, basically step into
a layer of the astral right. The astral realm, as
some of your viewers might know, is basically where we
go to in our dream state, and usually we're asleep
while we go there. But in these structures they can
facilitate a certain darkness and a certain residence to where

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you can go there while you're consciously awake. And the
benefits to that is kind of like you're steering, You're
like steering your lucid dream in the waking state.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Essentially, would you say that most of these ancient structures
were used to induce altered states and for healing and
for different types of spiritual experiences, like you were.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Saying absolutely absolutely yeah. As far as altered states, you know,
if you look at the idea of wavelength the sound
or even light, you know it comes in that s shape.
So they would make these structures that very specific widths, lengths,

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and these dimensions would embed the sound waves in certain
ways to create basically a pulse or a binari beat,
which is a frequency that's below what we can hear.
But these pulses that would happen in these cathedrals, chambers, pyramids, temples,
they would affect our brain wave patterns.

Speaker 7 (01:29:30):
So just to give a quick rundown of that, you
have delta, beta, alpha, beta, gamma, and these are different
conscious states that we go through when we're in Typically
when we're in our waking state, we're in the beta state, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
This is kind of the focused state that like you
and I heard right now as we're having this conversation,
were where we're somewhat alert. When you taper that down,
you get into alpha and that's more of a lighter
meta meditation, you know. And then when you get into sata,
that's kind of the twilight state that that that's very

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deep meditation, and this is where you start to access
a subconscious mind, which is the part of our psyche
that really kind of steers our whole reality in the background.
So to tie that in with healing, you know, you
can you can access your subconscious mind in these structures,
not that you need to be in it, but they

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definitely helped.

Speaker 8 (01:30:30):
Facilitate that to where you know you can you can
begin to you can become aware basically your your shadow,
your deeper traumas, and the things that are really at
the core of you coming.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
To a mental, emotional, and eventually physical healing, right, on.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Now you have some insights into the the Arc and
the the Templars relation with that mythos of the Arc.
Could you tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yeah, absolutely, So, you know, the Templars got their name
from their excavation underneath the Temple of Solomon, the Temple
mount and underneath there there's various different things that said
to that they have found, and one being the Arc.

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So this is a group of knights that originally descended
from the Grail lineages, the lineage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene,
and through that they they they were very wealthy. Initially
they were from these original bloodlines. But what they ended

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up doing was they ended up giving up all their
earthly possessions to travel to the Temple uh and when
they returned, they were spontaneous the rich again one thousand
and fold, so much so that it eventually came to
be that the King of France and even the whole

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Roman papacy was in debt to them. And this eventually
led to, you know, Friday the thirteenth, thirteen oh seven,
when they were rounded up and burned at the stake.
At least many of them, the remnants of them went underground,
and they took on various different other names as the Order.
But that's key in this idea of the arc, because

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the Arc of the Covenant, it can become quite clear
that it had a capability of transmutation and alchemy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Now what's your understanding of what the arc actually was?

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yeah, so there you go. Okay, So the Ark of
the Covenant, traditionally people know it from the Bible, from
you know, Moses went upon Mount Sinai got the word
from God or would some say yahweh, however you feel
about that name to construct this box two and a
half cubits long, one and a half cubit high, one

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and a half cuban width, And this box was to
hold the Ten Commandments. And in this box it also
held a way for dish, a dish that had a
substance in it called mana. So later we come to
find through research and rediscoveries such as David Hudson's rediscovery,

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monoatomic gold or monoatomic elements with some called ormis right,
So this is basically gold or other platinum group metals
that are broken from its metallic state. So when an
element is in its metallic state, it's in a cubic state, right,
a cubic bond, and this might ring bells with the

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whole cube matrix kind of saddern idea, Right, something that's
fixed in this space time. But through certain our chemical processes,
you can break that cubic bond and break the gold
atoms back down to where there's singular atoms, and these
atoms can actually this substance can be ingested for various
different health reasons. But the Knights Templar knew so much

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about alchemy that they knew how to take gold and
break it from its cubic bond into this monopatomic state
and vice versa, to basically take the powder, the white
powdered gold and return it back to its metallic state,
which hints a lot at it. You know how they

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became so wealthy, and through this arc box, it could
basically precipitate the white powdered gold from the vacuum of space.
And that might be a far fetch, kind of far
out for a lot of people to believe. But if
anybody's a fan of the old French alchemists who went

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by the pen name Folkinelli, they might know that. In
his book The Mystery of the cathedrals. He speaks of
a mysterious white powder that would miraculously accumulate in the
corners of the of the cathedrals. Right. So this shows
that there are certain structures and sounds that can match

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these structures that can affect the space itself in a
way that it can start to precipitate things from the space.
And if we look at quantum physics, you know, the
quantum field and a plank field and stuff like that,
we see that everything really is coming in and out
of space like kind of like a pixelation rate right,

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way more than a trillion times a second. So when
you can tap into this and steer this and realize that,
you know, all these particle fluctuations are right in front
of our face at all times, and this kind of
opens the door to what some might even call like
a magic you know, miraculous manifestation right or and some

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metaphors could be seen as the virgin burst, you know. So,
so something coming out of nothing, essentially water had a
lot to do with it. And the name Mary actually
means water, so you know, Jesus was born from Mary.
The Christ's light was born from the water. You see
this in the book in Genesis, you know where it was.

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You know, first there was the void, and then God
spoken to the waters, let there be light, and that
there was delight. So that's kind of a metaphor that
plays out various different ways in nature.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
And the more the more I hear about different spiritual
understandings from antiquity and throughout history, the more it makes
me believe that the hiddens the most profound. The greatest
secrets that they are hiding from us are the aspects
of the abilities for us to heal ourselves, the powers

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of nature and acoustics and sound and energy all around us.
And like you were just mentioning, there's this other state
of matter that we haven't discovered yet that could be
the key to free energy, and all this stuff seems
to be the greatest hidden secret from all spiritual texts.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, you bring up energy. One thing about gold,
you know that, like we tend to often think of
gold as oh, it's arbitrarily determined to be our source
of wealth. And you know, what is it really? What's
it based on?

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Is it just a shiny looking cool object. Well, it
has many different properties, but one as far as healing
and even technology and energy is the fact that it's
a superconductor. So take copper for example. Example, copper is
a conductor, but when you run energy along stat copper

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wire throughout the distance of its travel, it loses its energy.
With gold, it loses no energy. And that's what makes
it a super conductor. So when you when you ingest
monotomic gold, right, you get that quality of super conduction.
And what that looks like in your mind is mental clarity,

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quicker thinking, you know what I mean, there's no there's
a slag time, and what you could even say is
you start to shorten the time between thought and manifestation, right,
So superconductivity of manifesting our thoughts, which could be good
or bad, I guess really depending on where your head's at.

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You know, if if someone's uh leans more towards being
a negative person, they might now want to manifest their
thoughts so instantly, you know, So depends on where you're at.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Now, do you know if monotomic gold is still being
used at any level for any type of alchemical practices
in modern day?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Absolutely? Absolutely you can easily extract ormis yourself. There are
a couple of different ways and now ormiss is slightly
different than monoatomic gold only for the reason that it
has different group platinum group elements in it, and it
does have monoatomic gold in it. But one way that

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you can extract ormis is simply to mix sea salts
with washing soda, right, and the alkalinity of the washing
soda well in water. You can do this in just
a mason jar. When you sturdies together. It's usually one

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to one ratio between soda and salt. It'll precipitate monoatomic elements,
and other than that, you basically just wash the product
that comes from it the precipitate and then you can,
you know, you have this substance. That's that's a cheap

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way to do it, you know, and it's not the
most necessarily potent ways where you're going to get one
hundred percent of that element. A lot of it's going
to be calcium, a lot of it's going to be magnesium,
but there's going to be certainly a good amount that
that is monoatomic elements. And one of the best salts
to use for that is the Dead Sea salt because
it's the richest salt in the world and its gold content.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
I'm sure we could one hundred percent replace our entire
pharmaceutical industry if we just went back to simple spijerics
and and our ancestral alchemy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, There's there's so much of of Western
medicine or what you call it allopathic medicine, that that
is really it is. It's all based on nature. We
have nothing else to pull from other than nature. It's
just that they took these and they synthesized that, they mixed,

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they chemically cut it, and then they sold us basically
a stepped down the product, you know, which which it's
slightly variated from its natural form, so our body doesn't
recognize it like it should. No, but yeah, you're you're
absolutely right there. And to kind of step back into
the sound real quick. Sound is once again it's air pressure,

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and air can move things around. We're made of what
we think is material, but that material is mostly space,
so air it can move through us. Most certainly right
in these cathedrals, when they would mass the wavelengths of
the tone to the length of the cathedral, you would

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have that s shape of the sound wave matched perfectly
to where it embeds in such a way that when
it comes like this, it hits the other end of
the wall. It makes a perfect figure eight. Right. If
the tone is slightly off, it's not going to bounce
back like this. And this is called a standing wave,

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and they're starting to rediscover that standing waves can levitate things.
Right now, they're really just levitating little droplets of water,
right and science is just once again, this is a rediscovery.
Science is just now catching back onto this. But there
are many takes that, you know, this is how the

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Pyramids were built with sound.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
I've seen videos where they're actually levitating small to medium
sized stones as well. At this point.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Oh really, wow, Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
I'm not sure the source of that, but I have
seen it done with some sort of sound or vibration
instrument that they've actually been able to do with smaller,
medium sized stones. But that you know, that type of
ancient technology. It's becoming more and more apparent that that
was probably what was used to lift these larger stones.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. You know, once again, these things are
far fetched to most people, but when you really look
at you know, what the sound wave is. First off,
you know, we usually see a two dimensional representation of it,
so we see it just up and down, but it's
actually going in depth, so it's kind of more like
a spiral, you could say. But just for the sake

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of easily visualizing this idea, we'll just take it from
a two dimensional concept. When you have that s wave
go like that, and then it matches going the other way,
and you have that figure eight, you have equal one
opposite pressure on both sides, and the node that's in
the center are at the heart of that figure eight.
That's where the levitation can take place. So when the

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curve goes up, that stands for positive air pressure. When
it goes down that's negative air pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
So when you have equal one opposite positive and negative
air pressure on both sides of an object, you have
it in a state to where it's not it's not
subject to gravity, but it's not like flying either. It's
it's in a suspended middle state, you know. And this
is if you go into like the UFOs, right, they

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can turn up down, left, right, front to back on
a dime because they aren't really flying like a plane does,
and they of course aren't subjective to gravity, so they're
in this state where they can they can move, you know,
freely in any coordinate.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
You know, it makes me wonder if they're is anything
that can be obtained from the mechanics of bugs, wings
of large flying insects and their maneuvers, because I believe
there was actually some studies done on anti gravity when

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using many different types of large winged insects and somehow
putting them together in forming this anti gravitic craft with
insect wings, and it was actually they actually were able
to attain this. So it makes me wonder if that
kind of technology can somehow be obtained from observing insects
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Absolutely, yeah, I think I saw something about the beetle,
certain kind of beetles wings, you know, and that when
their wings move, they aren't like flapping their wings so
to speak. It's an impulse reaction to what some theorizes
just they're writing on the frequency of the human residence,

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which is essentially Earth's heartbeat, right, Earth's baseline pulse. So
they aren't like exerting and energy more so than you know,
channeling a certain frequency and that's what's moving the wings.
So yeah, absolutely, you know, if we were to dive
deeper into the mechanics of that, it would be amazing

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what we would find. I think it's even down to
the material that their wings are made out that plays
a huge role.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Yeah, now I want to get into what you have
on your talking points here stained glass technology and blue apples.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Yeah, so first we'll just get into the stained glass.
So the stained glass windows of the cathedrals, they were
also known as the Rose windows, and rose common word
that goes back to another order that stemmed from the
Knight's Templar, the Rose of Prussian order. Now, these those windows,

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they were made of a very specific kind of glass.
If you oxidize different metals, you will get different colors, right.
So back in what we call the Dark Ages, there
were certain forms of stained glass, especially the red stained glass,
that only the Knight's Templar seemed to know how to make,

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or the most renowned alchemists knew how to make as well.
When you oxidize gold, it turns red. So they were
basically implementing the alchemy and the metallurgy into their creation
of these windows, and the healing properties and the alchemical

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properties that come about when the sun is shining through
these and you're standing in that light. That it has
everything to do with you know, basically light healing, therapy,
epiphany and so on. So so that's that's that, you know,
that was a big part of the cathedrals as far

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as its alchemical abilities, its abilities to transmute working with
this this like resonance and with the blue apples. This
is a phenomenon that takes place in two different cathedrals
at two different times of the year, and it takes
place every year. One is the Lincoln Cathedral and the

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other is the Church of Magdalen uh in renlas Chateau.
So at noon on these days that the sun would
shine through at a certain angle and they would create
a reflection on the wall of red and blue dancing orbs,

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and it's kind of an anomaly that people are like,
how how is this coming through and creating these orbs
that are bouncing around in such a way. You know,
it's just pretty miraculous. You can look it up online
and see a few pictures of them, you know, But
there wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
The risk, I'm sorry, wasn't the stained glass technology used
in combination with some of the sound technology utilize in
these cathedrals.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Absolutely. Yeah, So sound and light is very key to
what our DNA picks up as a language. Right, So
with the sound frequency and the light frequency combined, you
you get an overall synthesis to kind of materializing a
deeper healing. You know, you could see you could see
it in a way of like sound and somatics. That's

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kind of working with the emotions and it's working with
the material formation of stuff. And the light aspect is
more of like the mind and this like right at
the roots of your soul level is what that's working
with to category if you wanted to categorize it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
I wonder at what point can play hand in hand?

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
I wonder at what point was all of this hijacked
when it comes to tuning sound frequency, the knowledge of
healing from sound and vibration. This seems to have been
all hidden and swept under the rug and kept away
from the populations for a long time in history. And

(01:50:20):
there's different theories on when and how this all occurred.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah, So from where I stand with it, if you
go back and you know a lot of people talk
about the changing of the music tuning starting with Nazi Germany.
I do not doubt that that they used that. And
though I haven't found anything too conclusive on that being

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applied in Nazi Germany, I have no doubts. But it
actually goes further back than that. When we look back
at the Ming dynasty, which is one of the most
talent Arrian, corrupt, power hungry dynasties in all of Asia.
This was among goolingan dynasty that came to eventually rule

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much of China. There was a prince from that dynasty
named Zu Zayu, and he implemented what is called equal
temperament tuning, and this is the tuning that we use
to this day. So basically, you can tune music to
a four forty, you can tune it to a four

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thirty two, you can tune it to any frequency, but
as long as it's in this equal temperament ratio, it's
still it's still disharmonic, you know. And that's kind of
the thing that's that I think would be key to
add to that whole topic is the fact that you know,
say like you have like a piece of paper with

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twelve pennies on it that resemble each penny resembles the
twelve notes. You know, you can shift that penny up
and down, but it's not going to change how the
pennies are arranged. We need to change how the notes
are arranged amongst themselves. And when you do that, you
can actually make any tuning harmonic. You can make a
four forty hrtz harmonic, even in a certain ratio tuning

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called gestonic tuning, When you tune C to five twenty eighthrts,
the A actually lands right on four forty herts. And
I know that's not a very popular view on music tuning.
There's been a lot of stuff put out there against
for forty, and I can understand why, but for forty
definitely has benefits. Even it's just when you mix for

(01:52:38):
forty in with notes that don't match with it, that's
that's where it gets. It gets iffy. So if you
look at the spectroscopy of the calcite crystals around the
pineal gland, you start to see that the frequency octaves
that resonate with those crystals is forty hurts. So you

(01:53:01):
can keep doubling that eight eighty, so on and so on,
and those are all the octaves right. So I feel
like what they did was they took a resonance right
for forty that resonates strongly with our pineal gland, and
they basically threw a bunch of dissonance around that, and
that's why the tuning is ill. You know, if you

(01:53:22):
were to throw harmony around that center basis frequency, that
would have an opposite effect. It would have a healing effect.
Four forty hurts and its octaves. If you look through
the Rife list of healing tones, it is one of
the most predominant frequencies on that whole list as far
as working and mending various different ailments. And once again

(01:53:47):
when we talk about octaves, if you step four forty
down two twenty to one ten, this one hundred and
ten hertz frequency is very commonly found in the these
sacred structures. And they did some EEG tests on one ten,

(01:54:07):
one eleven, one twelve. It's this frequency range, and what
they found was fascinating. They found that one it actually
starts to activate the right hemisphere of the brain, the
intuitive creative center kind of of the brain. And two
it starts to silence the language processing centers of the brain,

(01:54:29):
so our inner dialect right, our inner dialogue to where
it makes it basically a perfect space for meditation and
going within and receiving knowledge. You know, you switch into
a feminine or receptive state instead of a projective, masculine,
strictly masculine state where we're you know, thinking. It goes
from thinking to nosis basically, is what this frequency range

(01:54:52):
can help facilitate.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
So amazing, let's get into plank harmonics.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
What is this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
So the plank scale. Max Planck who was a German physicist,
quantum physicist, one of the fathers of quantum physics, you
could say, and he discovered that there's a threshold and
our measurement where you can get to a wavelength or
a measurement that is so incredibly microscopic to where like this,

(01:55:25):
this makes this makes a millimeter look huge type of thing,
like like very micro And when you get beyond this
this measurement of space, you start getting into the realm
of the quantum where the laws of physics kind of
fall to the wayside and mind over matters starts to

(01:55:45):
take take the steering wheel, right. So, of course, working
with wavelength and frequency, I took this wavelength and I
calculated the free and see of it. And whether you're
talking about light frequency or sound frequency, that these are

(01:56:06):
kind of resulting two different octave sets, but this frequency
it has the same harmonic octavis as as our DNA,
so it shows through harmonic math that our DNA is
directly plugged into the quantum realm or the plank field.
Another another thing that matches this is the the nanometer

(01:56:32):
color of nano goold, which is basically coloidal gold, a
gold that's one step outside of monotomic gold, and this
is still gold that you can ingest. So and then
there's another aspect that matches its wavelength, and that's kind

(01:56:53):
of a mouthful, but I think it's if if you
can grasp it, it's it's worth it. Because it's the
speed of sound starts to match its wavelength, but specifically
at the temperature of sixty eight degrees So when the
temperature changes, the speed of sound changes, right, but at

(01:57:13):
this sweet spot of sixty eight degrees, the speed of
sound will match the plank wavelength at harmonic octavees. And
the Great Pyramid is known to keep an internal temp
at sixty eight degrees fahrenheit, So you know, there's so
many implications that can come from that, as far as

(01:57:35):
you know, the Great Pyramid matching the resonance of your
DNA matching the resonance and the input of the quantum field,
even making it making it a structure where you could
you could tap in potentially to the quantum realm. Right,
then once again the realm of mind over mattered.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
So with plain harmonics, you this is a way to
apply different frequencies and possibly get back information from different realms.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Yeah, absolutely, a feedback loop from different realms. You know.
So if you go based off the frequency of sound,
and you you calculate what's the frequency of the plank
realm or the quantum realm, it ends up being perfect
octaves of one hurts, two herts, four hurts, eight hurts.

(01:58:30):
You keep doubling five, twelve herts. Right, these are all
frequencies sound frequencies that are resonating directly with the quantum realm. Now,
the most harmonic frequency of all frequencies you could figure
would be one hurts. Because you can divide any other
frequency by one and you get that frequency again. It
could be ninety nine point eight, two four, seven herds,

(01:58:53):
any any frequency and it's going to lead back to itself.
So this frequency of one, two, four or eight, it's
basically a feedback loop and it also has a set
of binary numbers and binary The concept of binary ties
right in with the plank round right once again, going

(01:59:14):
back to what we were talking about things manifesting in
and out of space. You have ones and zeros right
light on, light off, like how the old computers were built.
You know, a card with a whole punched in the middle,
and they fluctuate in the light you light on, light off,
and that's a pixelation. So when you take things and
you're able to hold it in the one or in

(01:59:34):
the light on, you can hold it in the manifest state.
Science are starting to find out that you can actually
hold it in the manifest with lasers, very high functioning,
high powered lasers. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Right on. Now let's get into some of the heat,
some deeper into the healing aspects. You go into resolving
trauma and something called grail embodiment. Could you talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Yeah, So, one thing about sound frequency is that when
applied on the body, it stimulates the release of nitric oxide,
and this is one of the chief signals in our
body for disinflammation, right, tapering back. Inflammation. Now, inflammation is

(02:00:21):
a very core concept that's at the root of all disease. Right,
the mental, emotional or physical inflammation. So when we step
into a state where the inflammation is tapering down, this
corresponds in our nervous system, what's called the parasympathetic nervous system.

(02:00:42):
The parasympathetic nervous system is the opposite system of the
fight or flight, right. It's where we can relax, We
can the body can regenerate, it can heal itself in
the ways it innately knows how to. And that's how
it starts to step into the idea of the holy Grail,
and that the Holy Grail and these different relics, their

(02:01:04):
aspects truly of something that's within us. You know. You
might hear people say we are the Grail, we are
the arc, and this and that. Though there are external representations,
these are first and foremost built on the original blueprint,
the vessel or the body of the perceiver. Right. So
with the Grail, there's a lot of lore behind the Grail.

(02:01:29):
With Mary Magdalen, right, some would say it goes for
to say that she is the Grail. Some would say
that she's a symbol of the Grail. Well, this word Magdalen,
or what her name actually truly was, was Magdala. The
name of the township was from meaning high tower. Magdala
phonetically and etymologically correlates directly with a part of our

(02:01:52):
brain called the amygdalah. And to tie this back into
the idea of this parasympathetic nervous system and he in
the grail embodiment. When the amygdala is firing towards the
frontal lobe, neurologically, it's firing this way. This is the
first piece step in what's initiating the parasympathetic nervous system,

(02:02:16):
the self regeneration, right, the self healing of our body. T. D.
Lingo look him up, great name to look up. This guy.
He went to war, you know, back in the I
think nineteen fifties. He came back traumatized, wanted to know
why people wanted to go to war, what's up with
the fight and flight system? And he put a bunch

(02:02:39):
of time and research into studying the human brain, and
a lot of that led him to the amygdala. And
he eventually discovered how the amygdala can fire in these
different ways. It's in a way, it's like a joystick
of the brain. It can fire to the front, to
the back, to the left and to the right. When

(02:03:00):
firing to the back, it's correlating with our reptilian brainstem,
which is, you know, our fight and flight sense. So
the amygdala often gets corresponded only with something that's fight
or flight and giving us fear, but it can actually
do quite the opposite when it's when it's you know,
neurologically communicating in the right way.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
These it seems like the predynastic and even earlier Egyptian
ancestors not only had a great knowledge of the human
anatomy and human health and biology, but of the brain
and the inner workings of it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Absolutely absolutely, Yeah, from the pineal gland to the thalamis,
the hypothalamus, the pituitary. There's so many symbolisms and symbols
and glyphs even that go into you know, the embodiment
and different aspects of our energy centers all throughout Egypt,

(02:04:02):
all throughout Samaria. You know, in Samaria we see the
Ananaki depictions where they're holding the pine cone, you know,
the pineal gland correspondence. Yeah, yeah, that's it's definitely definitely
rife throughout all of our history. One thing I want

(02:04:22):
to say too, though, is with the with the idea
of the grail embodiment. So oftentimes we're taught about the
cundalini when we start getting into the embodiment, and uh,
from what I gathered, the kundalini is definitely it breaks
down the barriers. It's you know, it's the serpentine fire, right,
it's the serpent that rises from the base of the

(02:04:42):
spine goes up. But this is kind of like just
half of the process because when the energy is only
going up and it's staying in the head, well, you know,
we all know what happens when energy just stops and
builds up. You create an inflammation, be it a mental
inflamm like a like an ego inflammation, an emotional inflammation

(02:05:04):
like anger and emotions we can't control, and even down
to physical inflammation once again leading back to a physical illness.
So an important part of this is the energy we're
turning back down to actually circulate up and down. This

(02:05:25):
part has been usually kind of demonized, for lack of
a better word, as you know, the kunda buffer what
they call the descending energy, as if it's going to
make it it's going to corrupt us. But really, when
we keep our energy in a cycle and it's it's
rising and it's falling, and it's rising and it's falling.
We're able to evenly disperse our energy and we're able

(02:05:47):
to actually ground to the earth. I think we all
know what happens when something electrical isn't grounded. It's no good,
you know. So the ascending aspect of our energy correlates
with the serpent. And in Grail lore you see a
lot a lot of depictions of a dove descending into

(02:06:11):
a cup, and this is this is the correlation with
kind of the energy returning back down. So the dove
and the serpent. Right, that might ring a bell from
the Bible where it says, you know, ah be wise
as serpents, but gentle stuves.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Right right now, while we're on ancient symbology, and especially Egyptian,
you have some insights into the douot as well, right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
The doot and this back to Egypt, you know, this
was focal and their whole civilization and society is this
idea of the duot. So doot in some cases can
mean death right or the underworld. And once again we
dichotomize things from our dualistic mind, death and dark and

(02:06:59):
under world is bad, and we you know, we want
to put things in these boxes. But when we start
looking into these ancient civilizations, we start seeing through this
eventually to where they're balancing both sides. So Douot was
something that they saw as a portal and they actually
had a location for it in the sky, and that

(02:07:21):
location being serious, the star system Serious and Orion. This
is these two star systems, or what they saw as
Isis and Osiris, So Osiris being Orion and Isis being serious.

(02:07:42):
There's there's a tradition that we talk about the rainbow
Bridge with some called the anti Karana, and it's often
depicted that at the end of the rainbow bridge there's
a dog that's going to meet you. Well, the star
Sirius is or the star system series is in the
constellation of the dog, right, so it symbolizes basically the

(02:08:06):
dog beckoning you through the the do lot or this
portal into what is essentially the afterlife. When you break
through this portal, you break out of the cycle of
ring incarnation. I don't know who put this together, but
I pat him on the back for it. Because somebody

(02:08:26):
discovered that the chemical structure of d MTP is shaped
an awful lot like the star system of Orion. And
if we take this concept and we take it, you
know with the old age old adage as above so below,

(02:08:46):
and we add in the idea of sympathetic resonance, that
is two things matched. The bridge, the gap in space.
We can see that, you know, d MT could be
a gateway to this portal, DMT being also something that
you don't need to necessarily smoke to participate in much
of life itself. And how we see reality is varying

(02:09:10):
levels of a d MT trip, you could say, right, so,
so this this goes, you know, with the whole cycle
of reincarnation penetrating through the veil. Essentially the douot has
much to do with that Orion or Osiris. Right in
these astrological terms, was a shepherd and the dog could

(02:09:35):
be seen as the sheep dog, you know, and and
the Bible it often refers to humans as a flock.
And over time, you know, the word sheep turn into
sheep and then we see it as like you know,
docile humans. But way back before all of this, uh,
there was this metaphor that if humans are the flock
of sheep, then the dog is going to beckon us

(02:09:58):
home back to the effort. If you've seen the Truman Show,
you might have seen the part where his first awakener
was one of the stage lights that fell from the sky,
and that stage light was supposed to be a star
in his faith world. And when he turns the stage
light over, he sees canis major on it serious a

(02:10:22):
and it kind of is another metaphor to where it's
like the dog star comes through as this like kind
of initiator or awakener to where we start to eventually
like first question our reality, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Now, being that so much of this is about our
mental state and our state of health and well being
in our spiritual state, and that all these things that
we're discussing right now affects our brain waves in such
different ways. And the ancients knew that it would give

(02:10:57):
us either more understanding or less understanding, or more power
or different different aspects that would help us grow and
our consciousness evolve. Well, now it seems that the opposite
is happening, with different frequencies and spectrums that are keeping
us in kind of locked in a certain state and

(02:11:20):
unable to perceive much of the spectrum of what is
right outside of our perception and that seemingly what it's
all about in modern times is all these frequencies that
we're surrounded by at all times. And I think that's
the key, is to try and separate ourselves from those

(02:11:40):
harmful vibrations and frequencies as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
Absolutely. Yeah. One thing that's widely promoted throughout our society
is stimulants. You know, stimulate like you know, we're in
a corporate industrial complex. You got to be up and
function and be sharp and aware. Uh. So you know,
we like as a society as a whole, we kind
of praise stimulants. But when you peel peel it back

(02:12:07):
a little bit, stimulants as a wavelength, that's that's the
high beta brain wave, right, And when you when you
get high enough into beta, you get into anxiety and
paranoia even and panic mode. You get into that fight
or flight system to where you know, like how you're

(02:12:28):
talking about with these frequencies affecting our health, you know,
the the uh the fight or flight ah basically tapers
down the ability for the body to heal itself, you know.
So that's that's one form of like the frequencies not
working for us. In certain ways, you know. They they
also found out, like you know, the idea of hypnosis,

(02:12:52):
which can be used as for better or worse. When
you get somebody into the alpha or the theta state,
there's some uns's mind opens up and they become programmable. Right.
So when you have, you know, a TV that's working
at a certain flicker rate and through your eyes, it's

(02:13:13):
it's in training your brain to be in a certain
state and then to implant in that state your advertisement, right,
it's it's definitely a form of sorcery. Over in the
Middle East, in the Iraq area, there used to be
a country called Media literally spelled media how we spell

(02:13:34):
it today, and there was a form of sorcery over
there where you where they would it was like soft sorcery.
They would slightly bend the truth. They wouldn't tell a
full blown lie. They would tell a half truth that
was actually more effective than a full blown line. And
they would, you know, with that manipulate the minds of

(02:13:56):
the masses. And that's exactly what we see today in
what we literally call media, you know. So yeah, they do.
They use these frequencies broadcast signals, you know, like if
you hear an emergency broadcast. It's a frequency that's meant
to basically resonate you'r amygdel That's why it sounds so

(02:14:17):
like jarring when it comes on.

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
You know, yeah, right on, man, now for the last
few minutes that we have, tell the audience what you've
got going on at Audible Academy and some of the
other things that you're working with.

Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
Yeah. Yeah, So an Audible Alchemy, I do have an
album out on a SoundCloud. Maybe I can send you
the link you to link it in the description or
something like that. But I have a twenty six track
album out for just twenty six bucks where you know,
it's anything from the chakras to different brain waves, self

(02:14:51):
veggio tones and such. I do custom soundscapes for people.
If you email me at Audible Alchemy three six zero
at outlook dot com and go ahead and contact me.
I do these custom tracks for thirty bucks apiece, and
it's up to you know what you want. Basically brain waves, chakras,

(02:15:16):
planetary orbits, zodiacal signs. There's you know, frequency is inexhaustible
in the ways it could be used. And yeah, other
than that, you know, I have my YouTube channel, Audible
alchemy where I upload a lot of the soundscapes that
I make. Lately, I've been putting out just kind of
a kind of freelance videos on different topics too, and

(02:15:36):
talking points, working on some kind of documentaries regarding the
sound frequencies, regarding embodiments and such. So that's pretty much
mostly what I have going on right now.

Speaker 4 (02:15:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
A lot of your work does focus on in surrounding
healing trauma, right, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:15:57):
Yes, absolutely so, that same fate of brain waves that
I was just talking about that can be used, you know,
for good or bad in terms of hypnosis. It accesses
your subconscious mind. So when we step down into the
fate of brainwave, our traumas will naturally begin to surface,
and they will surface in a gentle way. If you know,

(02:16:21):
you pry your traumas to the forefront of your mind,
it can actually re traumatize you. So so THEATA in
and of itself is a very like gentle healing modality,
and it is something that will naturally cause these these
deep rooted things from our formative years to come to

(02:16:44):
the surface to where we can reconcile that once and
for all.

Speaker 1 (02:16:48):
Excellent man, I will have all your links in the description, Trevor,
thank you so much for coming on today. This is
fantastic information. We'll have to definitely do this again in
the future.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
Absolutely, man, thanks for having me all.

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
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