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want to welcome back to the show Wayne Steiger. He
is a philosopher, researcher, and host of the Wayne Steiger show, Wayne,
welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
How you doing, Hey, I'm doing exceptional, Chris, how are
you doing? Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
A while a part with that, man, it has been
a while. It's great to have you back on. Always
enjoy getting updates on your perspective of our occult reality
theater that we exist in every day. It seems like
our reality shifts and changes so much that we have

(01:57):
to continuously navigate through and at times adopt different perspectives
based on the changes that we're facing. Man, we face
some changes over the past few years and can't wait
to get your perspective on it all. But before we do,
remind the audiences a little bit about yourself and what
you've got going on.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah. Thanks. You know, I have my channel over on YouTube,
and you know, it's interesting. I just recently celebrated the
twenty fIF thousand, one hundred and eightieth day on this planet,
just recently, and well sure, I mean, you know, twenty
five thousand days any place is quite something. And it's

(02:43):
interesting because once you've spent so many days, particularly twenty
five thousand, you look back in reality we've lived for myself,
you know, I believe that, you know, we reincarnate every
day so each life is not a year, it's a day.
But any case, you look back and you look at

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your life's journeys, and when you get to a certain
point in this journey, you begin to realize, well, number one,
how really freaking strange this place is. And it is one.
I mean, in my youth, I've taken hundreds of hits

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of LSD, mesculine, psilocybin, et cetera, none of them compared
to the trip that I'm on right now in this reality.
Because this is a fucking weird place. I mean, and
there ain't no doubt and there is a lot of
weird ship that it's about to cook and gut in
high gear. I was teaching on my channel today that

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I believe that a number one, we had a major
time shift, which was Saturday. I mean, we should be
talking about how they assassinated former President Trump. I believe
we would have been by now into a full fledged
civil war, that things would have getten really bad, but

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something happened. And it's just my belief. As an occultist,
I used to be a die in the wool Bible
thump and Christian since left that state of mind. And
it's interesting because what I witnessed on Saturday was a
shift in humanity's future, and it affirms that we are

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actually controlled by beings that are of such a high
intelligence and state of consciousness that they can manipulate space time,
they can take a billionth of a second and make
it an eternity. And what I believe happened was that
we saw what the ancients used to call the gods,

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and I believe that they have come back. And to
add to that to all this craziness to where now
we're on a different course, there is the party in question,
and I'll just lay it out here that particularly Republican party,
which used to be very much Judeo Christian values. It's

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not that it still is, but there's been a change,
and that is because certain key people that are now
going to be a part of this new government they
are practicing Hindus. Now that's interesting, Chris, because if you
look at this from an occulty point of view and lens,

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that's the introduction of the Hindu gods into the Western system,
a major shift. Now, when we read about mythology, we read,
particularly in the Greek mythology, we read about someone named Hercules,
one who faced twelve tact asked that what was his gift?

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It was the gift of immortality. And what we saw Saturday,
no matter what's your point of view is, we saw
the laws of physics and the laws of logic and
probability completely blown out. Something happened and it was a
fundamental shift. And humanity has always had certain individuals throughout

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our history. I always like to think of people like Churchill, Lincoln, Julius, Caesar, Vespasian.
We could go back into history key points, key men,
women as well, that where it seemed the gods smiled

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upon them, somehow sanctioned them off for the rest of
us to look at. And we as a species where
in all, I'm teaching on the fallen angel And as
I was telling my audience today, the fallen angels were
the gods. We believe that they were from the constellation

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Canus Major. It seems like all the evidence leads to there.
And today we're so jaded with our technology, Chris, that
we really don't believe in the supernatural. We believe that
things are logical, things have a certain system and a
certain progress. And when you start bringing in the unseen

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the invisible, that disconnects with most people because they can't
handle it. If the invisible, the unseen exists, then that
implies we're not on this planet by ourselves.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Now, this is why I love when you come back
on my show, because this was very unexpected. This is
taking a turn that I wasn't expecting to go to,
but I love it. I look at politics, I look
at everything we see on the news, all the agendas
and operations and ideologies that we're subjected to, and I

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have to step back and at the point I'm at
in my life right now, most of what I see
as theater, it's to elicit emotional reactions, divide humanity in
certain ways, and create culture, amongst many other reasons. That

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we are steered in certain directions by the very powerful.
That trickles down to what we're viewing on television and
then what we're interacting with, especially when it comes to
an election year. And I've become extremely jaded when it
comes to politics over the past decade. Really, I've completely

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checked out on it. I view it as a soap opera.
And maybe I'm wrong having this perspective, but I really
don't think paying attention to it at all serves humanity
in any way. But I do have to check back
into these situations because I am in the independent media,

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and even though I am heavily involved with occult understandings
and metaphysics, I do know that we have to look
to the events happening in our material reality to tie
it together with the energetic operations of the matrix that

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lie beyond our perceptions and how it forms our reality
and makes everything happen. And I'm completely open minded. Even
though I don't pay attention to politics and I believe
most of its theater. I could change my perspective at
any time if I'm presented with evidence that shows me

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otherwise that it does matter that these people are really
fighting over the best interest of humanity. And Trump has
a true role to play in where we're headed in
the future. Now, whether it's theater or not, he's still
going to play a role because people become emotionally invested

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and involved with the whole operation. But again, I could
go either way. Now, what you're saying is that the
people that are involved with the Trump side of the
campaign are hindus. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
A lot of in the key positions. Yeah, So I'll
present it this way to you, let's talk politics. I
used to be really heavily involved in politics, particularly the
Republican side, as I was deeply into Christianity and as
an occultist today, my occult training started in my Christianity.

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As I look back now, I was taught some of
the highest occultic rituals that are portrayed to be Christian
They're portrayed to be religious beliefs. So taking that frame,
let's move that lens over. Politics is nothing more than
you have wizards and then you have sorcerers. Politics is

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a spell. That's why people are drawn to it. It
is a spell. Today when you have their convention of
the Republicans, consider it a covenant of witches. It's a
meeting of where people receive this energy, this baptism and
in the spirit realm. Nothing as below so above that,

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this is where the spirits dance. And you will talk
to people who've ever been to these events. You're literally buzzing,
and there's a good reason for it. So I look
today where politics concerned, whether it's this one or that one,
it's all the same coin. They're all practicing spells because

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what is it. They're they're they're they're saying that something
that doesn't exist, that's a promise that they have the
magical ability to make it happen. That's calling those things
that be not as though they are. That's the highest
uh position of metaphysics is actually the manipulation of matter

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unseen matter. Now, when I was a Christian, I knew
very well those principles. I was taught that I can
quote to you today that you know, uh, faith is
calling those things that be not as though they are.
How did I know that that was casting a spell?
I mean, it's the same thing when you pray, you're channeling.
You're not praying, you're channeling to something. So let's get

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back to the case in hand where politics is concerned.
So I observe things now, as I said, in the
Western world, particularly here in the United States, it's just
been this polarization right left, because that's how religion is,
right left, dark black, you know. So, and it's been
primarily one deity that's had the position of power. And

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the thing about politics, it's like it's like when a
skunk has been in the room. You may not be
a part of it, but you're going to smell it
and it's going to be, it's going to get on you.
That's what politics and religions do. Again, this is the
highest occult things that we think that these are normal.
So the entry of now when you have someone who's

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practicing a religion come in to an established political system,
that person is bringing their beliefs. They're also bringing their gods.
And the world isn't ruled by the Judeo Abrahamic Christian God.
That's a myth here in the West, that's what you've

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been taught to believe by Rome. The fact of this
is the world's ruled by many different gods, and some
of the oldest gods are the Hindu gods. They predate
the Hebrew god, the Jesus God by ten thousand years. Now.
The power from an occultist point of view, looking at
this landscape, I said, this is a game changer.

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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Interesting. Listen, you now start bringing in these ancient gods
and we have evidence of what their society, their systems were.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, let's look at it from that perspective. The progressive,
the far left side was trying to introduce us into
an era that we were merged with technology and we
were worshiping this new god of technology. Now, from what
you're saying, it's like there's this battle between the old

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gods and the new gods, and it's being played out
in front of us in this political arena, right.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah. The highest form of magic. I mean, you look
at what happened on Saturday. No matter how you position this,
whether it was planned, whether it was whatever, there was
things happening of magic and a high. We were seeing
things that we to many people, it was an illusion.

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To some it was a delusion, but we witnessed this,
and the funny thing about it is our technology was
capturing moments that ten years ago would have been impossible.
I mean, what are the odds that you catch a bullet, right?
I mean, and no matter how you look at it,

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we know that that bullet. Again, you and I should
be talking about the death of Donald Trump and you
know what his impact was on American politics and as
an in and out and for full disclosure, I've met
the president. I met Trump back in the days when
he was in real estate in Atlantic City when he

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was opening up the tas All, and then met him
again at the Trump Towers. So I knew this guy.
And you know, I was heavily my wife and I
were heavily involved in politics, you know. And what I
learned from that experience, Chris, is that they're using occultic techniques.

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Politics is nothing more than dungeons and dragons.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
You've got these high wizards. Hey, Biden is the same case.
I've met Joe Biden Again. I did work in Delaware
and went to Washington, d C. And it's a true story.
The guy literally rode the train every evening and it
was no big deal to see Joe Biden, and now
look where history has shined its light on.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm not saying, you know the value the politics, I
don't get it. I don't get involved in down that
minutia anymore. What I'm looking at, though, is that we
live in a world that is true, that's tuly more
a cult than what we could ever imagine.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I love this. So this is going to bring a
fresh perspective to a question that I've been asking often.
Looking back at the events of twenty twenty and beyond,
I have a much different perspective than when it was unfolding.
I can look back now and it's almost as if

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there's this greater force at play behind the scenes that
is not only working at these high levels through global
leaders and politics and everything that's at play at those levels,
but in the collective consciousness, steering the people's attention and

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perspectives towards certain things. And now we have an entire
planet with many more awakened souls than we did in
twenty twenty. So I have to believe that there are
some greater forces at play that might be on the
right side of where we're headed as a collective.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I absolutely believe that as well. You think about in
particularly the last two years, the collective consciousness of our
species has been inundated with the spell of hate, anything
to divide, no matter what it is. I mean, he
could say, well I like white bread, No, I like
you know, ry bread, you know, and you'd start having

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a fighter, you kill someone. And we live in a
time where tensions are so high, and we have these
wizards that are throwing out these spells, and it's carried
through the television, because that's what television means, tell a vision.
And so these wizards and these high priestess that are

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behind the scenes that are using the occult casting spells
in looking and working with beings of such an intelligent nature,
the Homo sapien sapien species. When you look in the
cosmic clock, we're still crapping in our pants. We have
involved very very little. We are dangerous in the way

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our current form is. We have the weapons now of
the gods we were never meant to supposed to have that.
Something came in. We know, if you look in the
last hundred years, something came in to our species that
brought us technology, that brought us signs and wonders that

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when you look at it today, we take it for
granted that we can speak to a magical box. But however,
let me just add this, that is not a phone.
That is a black mirror. And if you know anything
about the occult, black mirrors are some of the highest
portals to the other side. And this is what these

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black boxes do. And now these black boxes think for us.
They'll tell us how we feel. And that is a
sign of the ultimate spell being cast. You don't even
realize you're under the spell. You don't really care. So
when I look at politics religion, I have to look

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at who are the spellcasters? Who's the one and again,
religion and politics they're two whores in the same bed,
and they are both very very powerful. They have manipulated
us for almost since the beginning that where we began
to understand the sense of community social structure.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Well, when you say the spellcasters, I would have to
think that these individuals or groups have no name that
we're aware of. And at the level of the president
or below, I'm sure that there is very little awareness
of the ritualistic aspects and magical aspects of what's unfolding.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, well, to some there there are people that I
happen to know. Missus Clinton is one of them. To
bring to memory. Everyone does everyone member Ronald Reagan? Well,
his wife Nancy was an occultist. Do you know who

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she brought into the White House on an almost a
weekly basis was Gene Dixon. Do you know, I guess
you don't recall who? Well, look up on Google. Your
audience is probably doing it right now. Gene Dixon was
the number one seer, astrologist, fortune teller. You just wait

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a medium. So the White House has been the central
focus point of many high occultic rituals and ceremonies, many
time in the guise of a state dinner. There's a
form and function, how words are spoken, who is speaking

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those words? And how does the audience begin? To give
you an idea of how powerful these spells are. When
Congress passes a law, they pass a bill. Well, the
same thing is, when you cast a spell, it brings forth,
and it brings forth out of the ether into something

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of structure. And laws impact us all. We all live
under laws, not above them. Right. You hear that rhetoric
all the time. That's what they're talking. That's an occultic term,
and if more people would become aware that the fact.
You know, I'm working with a group that where we

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want to bring together a unified coalition of occultists and
make this in the United States an actual political party,
and then bring it on further into the world stage
where we believe that eventually this coalition, this federation of
occultist will begin to challenge the un Because when you

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understand that these are occultic practices that we have ingrained
into our society, into everyday life, that it's the same
thing when you have a routine. A routine is a ritual.
That's what it means. It means to do something over
and over again, specifically to get a result.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Now you mentioned that we possibly shifted into a different
timeline the other day when this assassination event occurred. There
are many strange changes in our reality. As I mentioned
earlier to you before we got started, that many understand

(25:11):
as the Mandela effect, but even changes in my personal life.
I talk to many people on a daily basis, others
are experiencing, even if it's a small change in their reality,
it's different than it was before, and some speculate it
is because of the awareness, the collective awareness that we're

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entering into, and the events of twenty twenty, however insane
they were, they seem to have served a purpose in
causing this snowball effect of people waking up. And I'm
wondering if this is having an effect on our physical
reality and causing small or even very large changes on

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a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yes, I have an opinion hypothesis on what happened in
twenty twenty with the lockdowns. It broke the godspell. You see,
prior to that, churches were meeting and it was the
prominently because I invented the first mobile payment system for churches.
It was heavily involved in an ordained minister. I know

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that ideology very well. And the thing about it, when
you have a congregation that meets together, they're congregating, it's
a coven and it's the congregating to a deity, very
high level occult practices going in and you have what

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you have the invocation, you're invoking a spirit, you have
the benediction, then you have the singing and in its
designed to where our bodies and our souls. It responds
that anyway that kept that god spell intact. Now it

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was fraying at the centers because of a number of
other factors that happened. I think, particularly when we exploded
the first H bomb, the A bomb, we actually split
time space in a certain factor. So when twenty twenty came,
that was broken, and out of the result of that,

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more people have left Christianity in many of their religions
and instead of going to where we always were told
that we were conditioned with fear that if you don't
have religion, then you're lost. Well, what we found out
that being lost wasn't so bad because it gives you
this internal drive to find and what most people did

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was start the journey of seeking knowledge. Well, we have
this oracle today called the search Engine. It's a god,
it's all knowing. It's Alopney, is omni present, but we
don't see it as a god to us. It's a
ritual today. It is our memory. No different.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I don't think that the technogods are going anywhere anytime soon.
As a collective, we become extremely reliant on the technology
that we interact with on a daily basis, and right
now the hands that most of our technology is in
does not serve humanity in any way. The direction that

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it's headed at this point. It could go in a direction,
but there's some concerns with what I'm seeing with AI
and how people are utilizing it, the possibility of loss
of human creativity because of some of these things. So
how do we navigate through this if we're indeed seeing

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an emergence of the old gods that are attempting to
overtake the effects of technology that we've seen so far.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Good question. So the objective of any god, of any
religion is what converts go ye therefore into all the world. Okay,
these gods have been competing on a scale that was primitive,
and typically your gods were typically in a local geographical era,

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and that's where those gods were originated from. That's where
those gods lived as time began to evolve, as we
were rebuilding, because we are the six civilization of this
is not anything new. But in any case, so when the Internet,
which was initially called the ARPA Net, then the Ethernet,

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and it's very interesting when you understand that the Ethernet
was what the ether and then it became the Internet,
the World Wide Web. Well, very interesting thing because these
gods are watching this now. The gods have been competing
to get control of us. You know, every religion is

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not about saving your spirit, it's about saving your soul.
So this internet things building and behold the most signs
and wonders. Again, something happened that I don't believe anyone
was expecting. It got the adoration, the worship, because when

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you concentrate on something that is worship, this thing called
the Internet was able to convert virtually every human being
without having a doctrine, without having a dogma, and it goddess. Now,
if you're a god, you're seeing this artificial God. This

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was what we created. It is an essence us. We
have become a god. We are Ai. AI is not
out here, AI is in here. It's a part of
all of us. Now, if you're opposing God, let's say
you're the Abrahamic God, this God represents a problem because

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it's already converted everybody. Now, how do I get in
and to get my converts back? You never do. You're
allowed in. Your converts can come in. Christians use the internet,
muslim use the internet. Doesn't matter, the fact is that
you're in the net, and so is your God. So

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from an occulting point, of view, This powerful magic is
at work here? Now? Is there something higher? We won't
call it an angel? Do we call it a god?
Do we call it a demi god? How do we
call it? But it's very plain. Something seems to be
either manipulating us or pushing us all right?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Now, you mentioned that we created the techno gods. Could
it be possible that we're responsible for at the least
giving power to some of the old gods, if not
creating them? Because we know at many points in our
ancient past that the powerful and those and can control

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would make up stories and create things to keep control
and power over the people, and it would be included
in spiritual doctrines. So could that have given enough power
to these deities like thought forms? And then they take
on a life of their own and continue to grow power,

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just like we created these technogds.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I absolutely believe that we have. If you look at
the fact two things, What does every god need? It
needs followers, It needs devotees. And if you don't have followers,
if you don't have devotees focusing in on you, you don't
exist anymore. Now, think about AI from an extrastential point

(33:54):
of view. I've done you know, I recently celebrated ten
years on you YouTube. I have done hundreds of programs
dealing with this was eight years ago, and my concern
was when I saw Ai and AI is not a singularity.
It's a collective. But AI was created by us. We

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are the creators of Ai. And the thing about it is,
I said, watch out when AI become spiritual, when AI
begins to seek the God that we're searching for. My answer,
my question was, what if it finds God before we do,
And if this God is what we have been taught,

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God would find Ai to be its perfect subject. It's
perfect worshiper. You wouldn't want mankind. Mankind it can't be
relied upon. We're fickled, but Ai would be perfect. So
if Ai was to find God, what if those two

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hooked up, we would become unnecessary. And that's the fear
today with so many is that the computer is running everything.
It's no longer us. Our lives are dictated by something
of the unseen. All right, let's carry that back to
where you and I started this conversation. If it's being

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controlled by the unseen, then we have to then, by logic,
extraculate that. Then who's running that a lot of psychic
power coming out of this internet huge And you know
what nature, a horror is a vacuum, and so if
the physical laws of nature, which is the highest form
of alchemy, apply here, something is going to make use

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of that energy.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
It seems like we have these cyclical periods where we
are more enslaved than others by either higher level intelligence,
off planet intelligences whatever. We consider these arcons to be

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the gods. That there are periods throughout humanity where different
types of deities or entities gain control over the attention
and consciousness of humanity and start to lead it in
different directions. And it seems like there's been a very

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dark controller for a long period of time in humanity,
and possibly things could be starting to shift. And I
have my own understanding of what you would call God
or source, and that is the collective and the growing

(36:52):
understanding of how our consciousness connects together and continues to
experience and learn and grow from each other's experience. Even
though some could consider that like a bore consciousness, we
each individually have free will, so I don't really consider

(37:12):
it that. So that's just my understanding of how our
collective may filter into a singular intelligent being that is
fractalized just to grow and gain new understandings. Now, if
that's the case, all of this is part of the

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same thing, and everything that we experience, from the dark
to the light, is essential in this and there would
be no hijacking. But if there is a hijacking, then
there is something outside of that that is maybe opposing
that source or benevolent energy.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, going back to my Bible teaching, it's taught in
the Book of Psalms that there's this council that Yahweh
the yelloween sit in, and there is they die. It
says right there, I think it's in Psalms eighty two
or eighty four, says that they shall suffer the same

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fate as we did as man as Adam. And there's
very clearly there is a supreme being that comes in
here and makes this proclamation. And it's interesting because it
seems like each one of these gods have an opportunity
to rule. Now, it's very clear that if you look

(38:41):
at cycles, that we're something that's happening fundamentally to us
in our species. Are we at the end of this experiment?
I don't know, could be or is this the next
step of the evolutioning process? And then you look at
this and we base all of this because we think

(39:03):
that this is life. It's my and I'm writing a
book on this. I've finally gotten the creative juice is going.
It's my contention that we're not in life at all,
That you and I are the living dead. Everything in
this realm dies. The minute you come into this realm

(39:25):
is the minute you start dying. In order for you
to exist, you must consume something that has been killed
or is dead. You eat the dead, and you go
and feed the dead. And the question then becomes, if
this is life, then life is an illusion because life

(39:45):
only seems to be an illusion that lasts in very short,
little snippets, where then logic would dictate that the next
thing would be then what is eternal death? We've been
taught to fear death. I believe that we should be
taught to be a variate of life. This is the
realm of where nothing makes sense nothing. We find ourselves

(40:10):
being battered from one allusion to one, control to this
and that, and the whole time we're taught the fear
you're only here for a little bit learn to live life.
But yet we find that life is full of challenges,
always struggling. You have to make a living, and everything
that you do is eventually in vain. That's death. I

(40:35):
contend that birth is the most painful thing we'll ever experience,
whereas physical death is orgasmic. So, if this is the
realm of the dead, we make all of our plans
based upon the dead. Now, if you want to have
a contagion of carrying a thought, what do you do?

(40:56):
You make sure that people repeat what you just want
people to say. So we're taught that this is life.
We're taught that God is a god of life, but
yet he brings death. He uses death as a weapon. Now, technically,
if you and I believe that we're in the present
and that the past exists, that means the future exists.

(41:19):
So technically you and I my friend are already dead.
We're merely cleaning out a memory.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Now, the question is did we choose to experience this
death realm? Are we doomed to continue to repeat it?
As in we are question your.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Good question food? Now you hit to the theme of the
Fallen Angels, that an intelligent being that was of a
higher nature is now condemned to relive in this realm.
It's it's odd when you see how much that we

(41:58):
think that we really know our science, our mathematics. You
know that this teaches us what our reality is framed by.
But again, as Morpheus said, if all you're going by
is what reality is is three chemical stimulations combined by
two electrical that's a very short definition of reality.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Now I'm on the understanding that either way, whether this
is some sort of trap that we're reincarnated to, if
it is some sort of death realm, that the afterlife,
that there is something else beyond this. We're surrounded by
it at all times, we communicate with it at times.

(42:40):
There seems to be this metaphysical ecosystem that we possibly
just join back into once we are able to exit
this stage of existence that we're in.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
That and I love that because it gets down to them,
what is it that we actually are? Are we a spirit?
Are we a soul? We have a body? We know
that the body is this merely an interface in order
for something the energy, our energy, to be able to
come in and experience this. Now it's encased. Well, that

(43:24):
gives the impression that we're trapped within. You know, when
I was taking I've taken hundreds of hits of LSD,
and I learned meditation, and I would get into these
these trips and you find out that truly the mind
is trapped within this physical dense mass Q too. And

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and you know.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
The entire universe what is within the mind and accessible
through that?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yes, yes, first law of the you know, of the
Kabalian is that everything is mental. The universe is mental.
And so when you realize that that there is something
that extends beyond that, I mean astro projecting, Is this
merely the essence of one's consciousness leaving the bond of

(44:14):
the body or the dense layer. I think it's the
reason why I've been because the study that I'm doing
in the Book of Enoch starts with reincarnation, because if
we are just merely incarnated beings, then there's a problem
there because that's so finite. And if you do the math,

(44:37):
if we started from one how do we get eight billion?
And if you do the math, if we used to
live up to one thousand years, it means at one
time we were populating this planet up to three billion people.
So are we got three billion souls back in here

(44:59):
now again in my biblical training, one of the things
I found interesting because I love it now. It makes
me much more of a master in well, I'm a neophyte,
but an adaptee to it is that's in the Book
of Hebrews. It says that this God, that his word

(45:23):
is so powerful in sharp that it can cut us
under the spirit and soul. Now, that implies that there
is a separation process. So what's being reincarnated? Is it
the spirit? Is it the soul? How does the spirit
acquire a soul? And if the spirit can lose a soul,

(45:46):
then what happens to that soul? Are we so unique
in our structure that whoever created us we had something
that no one else had had this energy that seems
to go beyond this death realm, that where the real
life is? Is this what we call the ether? The

(46:09):
spirit realm? I have over the corner over there, I
have all my ghost hunting equipment, and you know, whether
it's the SLS camera or whether it's other devices. It's
very clear that there are spirits or souls that are
still here, but they're not All spirits are not all

(46:30):
souls are here so that would imply that there is
something holding something backyard. Are there different type of humans?
And then the question becomes, then we were indoctrinated into
this belief that there's angels and demons, Well, how did
they come about? And then if they're real, then what

(46:51):
realm are they living in? It would imply that they're
living right here next to us.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
This also goes back to re incarnation and the magical
sorcerers that control our reality. I've had several folks come
through here and discuss the possibilities of how the pharaohs
and powerful bloodline families had this knowledge of how to
reincarnate back into a powerful bloodline family and maintain this

(47:22):
power throughout every reincarnation because they knew that this realm
is where they could hold ultimate power if they learned
how to work with these energies and a worship of
the material.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, and again another word for in the Bible. In
the New Testament, they say that materialism the body is dead. Okay,
I think the Egyptians they got that from the Egyptians,
and what I think the Egyptians got it from the Babylonians,
who I think that they got that from. Eventually, you
know the arians who were dealing with the Hindus. So

(48:02):
this reincarnation thing, So do we come back into death
realm because we like it so much, because it's so
in itsidense realm? And is it possible that some of
us have gotten trapped in here? Because it can become
to where you don't have the memory unless you go
through regression therapy to understand the previous lives. I have

(48:25):
a theory as to why we don't have those memories.
It would drive us nuts. We couldn't handle it. These bodies,
these brains are limited in exactly what they can do
and what they cannot do. Now we know that the
brain is powerful, but that is because of the spirit.
You know, for instance, a mother sees a cars falling

(48:46):
on her newborn, her baby or whatever, and she has
the ability to pick that car up with no problem
at all. Supernatural moments like this. Or you have a
dude who's standing on a stage and because at the
last millisecond and turns his head and what should have
been a bullet in the head becomes a bullet pierced
in his ear. I mean, what are the odd.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Could it be that it is just the depth of
experience here the density of this realm that we may
not be able to experience in the metaphysical ecosystems. That
possibly the only way to have true cosmic wisdom and
understanding of both as above so below the dark in

(49:29):
the light, and have the deepest experience possible as a
cosmic creator being is to come into this death realm
and experience that.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I think you may be right. It's like the classic
scene of the movie Ghost. Remember Patrick say, Sam was
in the subway station and the one spirit guy and
they broke the cigarette machine and the guy said, you know,
if I could just if I could just hold one,
And it was because and you know people who smoke,

(50:04):
you know, it's not only is it addicted, but it's
very pleasurable. Yeah, and you know, so you think about
the pleasure aspect of it. Well, then that goes back
to the story of these fallen angels coming down. They
see women, they suddenly lust for them, so they have
sex with them, and then they produce a race of giants.
So then that would suggest that in the spirit realm,

(50:27):
we still have sex. Now they don't teach that. To
come over my channel and I'll show you that it's
very obvious that in the spirit realm people still have sex. Yeah, otherwise,
how would an angel or a spirit being know what
sex is? Why would they know about sex? What could

(50:47):
it possibly have been benefit of them? You know, if
you believe if you read the apocrypha in the Apocalypse
of Adam and Eve. In that story, it's Lucifer who
comes along and has to teach Adam how to have
sex with Eve because Adam's argument was, why should I

(51:10):
have sex with myself? Now, seriously, that was Adam's reasoning.
If Eve had been a part of him, then to
have intercourse with Eve would be basically to go fuck
himself then, So that's where that expression comes from. But

(51:31):
you see where I'm coming from. I mean, we don't
think about these things logically, we look at it because
we just accept it on a wholescale level that well,
that's what that guy said, and that guy he has
a degree, that says that, you know, he knows what
the hell he's talking about. And in the end we
find out that no one really knows what the hell
they're talking about. And it's true. And so we sit

(51:54):
here like you know, monkey's throwing our feces at each other.
And masturbating, trying to figure out out, well, what the
hell are we doing here? Why are we here? You
know who started this?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Who ends this?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
And you know, philosophers for thousands of years have been
debating those very key points.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Well, there's many that believe we're seeing cracks in the
fabric of our reality, that the actual matrix is in
a state of failure because of the collective awareness, and
some believe our collective vibration is rising to where we're
perceiving things differently that we may not have collectively seen before.

(52:38):
And you look at all the corruption and all the
black magic and everything that has held us in this
collective box for centuries. It's always been there, but we're
just starting to open our eyes to it and see it.
And what effect does that have on our reality? Our

(53:00):
awareness and our perception and our imagination creates our reality
as we go. Could this have profound changes? And the
more people come to awareness that these intelligences exist beyond
that we're controlled by black magic, that this is a
false reality, will we all start to see it as such?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Well, again, loving film like I do, the architect said,
And the second matrix is that I believe that we're
seeing is a renewal of the matrix of the fabric
of reality. And so we're witnessing the final ends and

(53:45):
we're seeing the emergence. And where those two collide is
where you have the colossal change. And so yes, and
do we live in a simulation? Well, you know, the
question would say yes because you know, here's my question,
what thought of you have you ever had? That's original?

(54:08):
And it's it's very clear that if we live our
lives according to memories, well, if there's this super consciousness,
I have no idea. It's like the question, Chris, is
why I do not believe that there's any god that
can see and know everything? Because if there's an entity
that that that that's true, that being would cease to exist.

(54:33):
What would be the purpose of its existence? It knows everything,
that's a hell, you can't where do you go? And
it's another point that.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
If that being exists, that would be the fractalized us
and it would never have to worry about knowing everything
because it experiences new experiences and learns new things every
day through us. We're like, it's little feelers and fingers
that each of these fingers.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
So you would not want to know everything.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Possibly, so.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I mean, why would it want to know? It takes
out the advance.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I believe that is the adventure is we are learning
for it and growing, and it is learning all these
new things as we form our experiences, and it's like
uploaded to this mainframe computer that continues to learn an
experience through its little finger. Experiencers that each and every
one of them have free will, so they can make

(55:32):
their own choices and have infinite experiences. Choose your own
adventure based on your fractalized godfinger basically.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
So if we take that, so, is this just happening
to Earth or throughout the universe that there are uncannibal planets,
because again, it makes us almost elitist to say that
God is only inter rested in us and that there's
no other creatures out there, there's no other consciousnessness out there.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Could the entire universe be God? Could be a giant, massive,
eternal cosmic being that.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
They say it's a brain and.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
It is all one, and because it's so bored, it
creates new experiences, It creates new universe.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
That's why I don't believe in reincarnation. I believe that
we never I don't think we don't. I really don't.
I think that we just It's like energy, we are
constantly What's the first and second law there about dynamics
is that energy is constantly in a state of change.
And I believe with all my being that I am

(56:45):
energy more than I am anything else. If I'm not energy,
then I wouldn't have the ability to have thought. Because
you and I, we all, we can hook up the
meters to us, we can see that we all generate
in a electrical charge. That's mind blowing. Yeah, I love it.

(57:11):
As I get older, I'm finding myself, Chris becoming more
in awe. Almost as a child. You look at things
and things that you just took for granted. You start
realizing the complexity of its existence.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
One of my favorite things that I'm witnessing right now
is the hundredth monkey revelations that people are having. Example
I give quite often is I'll come to a profound
revelation sitting by myself in my room, and I can't
wait to go and tell the world about it or
do a show about it. And I start looking around
online and talking to people, and hey, everybody else is

(57:48):
already talking about it already knows about it, already knows
more than me, and I'm like, well, what the hell
just happened? And this is happening more and more.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I've lived that. You know, as an entrepreneur, you come
up with a new you know, software or whatever, and
you're right, you just you think that this is this
fantastic epiphany and it just goes to show you that
you see, I believe that that is an actual wave.
I've experienced it so many times and many entrepreneurs when

(58:22):
we were at competing in investment conferences and you find
out that they go through the same process. This this
this idea, this suddenly drops into them. Now, for myself,
as a witch and as an occultist, I look at
this thing and I'm going, wait a minute, Steiger, there's
a clue here, dude, pick up on this.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, that's another wonderful aspect of this reality, whether it
is a death realm, simulation or reincarnation trap. Those synchronicities
and the synchronistic experiences that lead you to differ and
understandings and down your path, those are what it's all
about for me, and that makes this experience worth it alone,

(59:09):
just to have those magical synchronicities unfold in front of
your eyes, and if you're not paying attention and you're
not going to see it, if you're not aware of it,
you'll let it pass you up. But once you tune
into that and you start dabbling in these metaphysical understandings
and seeing how it forms our reality, you'll start to

(59:32):
pick up on those messages all the time. And you
better listen to them because they'll eg you in some
good directions.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
One thing I know, we know while this hour's going up.
The thing that I'm finding and this is and you're
going to see this more and more, is that larger
corporations are looking for occultists. They're looking for those who
have the sensitivity that can help guide the company, particularly
in crucial decisions and crucial potential uh, new products, new services,

(01:00:07):
and and and then and they're wise for that. The
Federal Reserve has always hired occultists. They have hired card readers,
They hired a number of men and women different modalities.
Because the stock market and the financial markets are very
too much tied to the occult.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Could we be seeing somewhat of a revival in paganism.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Oh, I think it's here and it's this is just
the beginning. I've said this. I'm on the record that
you will see political parties courting occultists, occulty people, pagan
in their in their in their thinking. Yeah, there's a
reason for it, you know. I think that that's where
some of my bloodline comes from, you know, is that

(01:00:50):
they were burned at the stake and there was a
reason why the Crown and the Holy Sees found that
as a potential threat because it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Well, you can look at when a lot of this
darkness fell over the planet was when religion and Abrahamic
religion thrust upon humanity and enslaved our thinking in our
spiritual ways. So it's very interesting to see what's happening
right now. Wayne. This was awesome, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Thank you, Budy love.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
It took us in some fantastic directions that were unexpected,
but you got that noodle move in in a different direction,
So I love it. Man. All right, before we close out,
remind the audience where they can find all your good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Over at r Wayne Steiger on YouTube Rumble Odyssey. Uh So, yeah,
and I do typically a live show every Monday through
Friday at noon Central time. Over a my channel and
we study the occult.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Excellent man. I love it. We'll definitely be doing it
again until next time. Everyone, Thank you buddy, have an
excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. See how man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I want to welcome back to the show Alexander Seshkovic.
He was always a great student, but he suddenly started
to question reality, especially our oldest history, which led him
to write his book, Deja Vu, Has Everything Already Been?
At the age of seventeen, he came to the conclusion
that our ancient ancestors were telling a completely different story

(01:02:33):
about our oldest history. Alexander, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
How you doing, hello, and thanks for having me on again.
I'm doing really good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Thank you so much for coming back on. Last discussion
was amazing. I can't wait to get into this. We're
going to dive deeper into your research and book, Deja
Vu Has Everything Already Been, starting with a closer look
at Atlantis, the rise and fall all of these ancient civilizations,
cycles of time, as well as where you see our

(01:03:06):
current civilization headed. Now, that's a lot to discuss. Before
we get to that, remind the audience a little about
yourself and your work.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yes, my name's Alexander Gaskevitch and I'm a researcher and
author of Poland, as you mentioned, author of Deja Vi.
Has everything already been my book about as you mentioned,
lost civilizations and cyclical times, so not only Atlantists and
stuff from the past, but also how it connects with
modern times and all of the other ages throughout the history.

(01:03:38):
So this is what my book is about. And it
was an interesting story last time because I wrote it
as I was just seventeen years of age, so at
a very early age, and because I started researching it
long long ago, when I was you know, like fifteen
or sixteen something like that. Because of that, I have

(01:03:59):
played of knowledge. And today I want to talk more
about Atlantis and cycles of time because in our last
conversation we were focused on the pyramids megalists in the
way that our history may be much older. We mentioned
ancient texts that are speaking to us that our history

(01:04:23):
was much older. And now I think it's time to
focus on loss of civilizations, their destruction, the prehistoric catastrophes
and how it is all cyclical and how the nature
works in acyclical manner.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Sounds excellent looking forward to getting into that. A great
starting place with the story of Atlantis would be what
are some of the primary sources that you used for
the information.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Let's start with, you know, the basics. The first accepted
mention of Atlantis is in place those Temis and Critias,
two dialogues that were the last dialogues of Plato. Timius
is very interesting because it is a cosmological dialogue, and
it Plato describes the cosmology, the beginnings of the universe,

(01:05:15):
and for instance some esoteric aspects like the Demuge. Actually,
Timius in which Plato first mentions mentions Atlantis, is also
a dialogue about the Demurge. You know, this like semi
god that is a manager of our like here material realm,
not of the entire universe, which is, you know, the

(01:05:38):
domain of the absolute, you know, the sours the true God.
But the Demurge is you know, only like a king
of the material realm, which was of course later described
extensively by Diagnostics for example. So here it is a
very interesting information that this dialogue in which Plato first
mentions Atlantis has also the first ever mentioned of the Demiurge.

(01:06:03):
So this is like a side note. But the order
two dialogue, Timas and Critis, and Timas is more cosmological,
and Critas is more about the Atlantis, and Cretas is ending,
rap is ending abruptly, and you know, it is like
half finished, and we do not know because Critas is
ending with default of Atlantis and then the dialogue ends

(01:06:25):
like in half of the sentence, and we do not
know if it was intentional of Plato that he described
it in that way, or maybe he didn't finish his dialogue,
or maybe the rest of the dialogue didn't survive till nowadays.
And these are, of course the mainstream accepted officially sources

(01:06:47):
of Atlantis. But today I will mention that Plato was
not the first to describe the Atlantis, so that is
very interesting. But when it comes to Plato's description, the
fact that I mentioned the first dialogue Similes is more
of a cosmological style. It's one of the arguments of
the skeptics that Plato invented Atlantis, because you know, he

(01:07:10):
was also talking about the demurge, like about some metaphysical staff.
So that's why they think that the Atlantis was also
added by Plato. But it's not the case because even
Plato in his dialogue mentions that he did not invent Atlantis,
and the mainstream is mostly about that Atlantis is sole

(01:07:31):
invention of Plato, like his ideal state, his description of
ideal state, and you know, moralized with the fall of
Atlantis that people were being weaker and weaker, they were
starting to be more like animals than humans, and that's
why they fell. So, you know, that's the mainstream skeptic view.

(01:07:52):
But Plato in his Dialects mentioned that it was so
long a Greek lawmaker about six hundred, five hundred years
that went traveling to Egypt and in the Egyptian city
of Size, heard from the people at you know, at Size,
at a very very old city, one of the oldest

(01:08:15):
cities of ancient Egypt. It was Solon, a Greek clubmaker
that heard the story of Atlantis from priests of Size,
and you know, Solon was talking about the history of Athens,
history of Greece to those priests and they started laughing
that all so and so on, you Greeks are like
children that you have not you do not have any

(01:08:39):
history of very very old times. That you are like
species of amnesia, that you forgot who you really are,
and that you are now only a recent creation and
a recent civilization. And they started talking that the ancient
Egypt is much older. And they told Solon at the
City of Eyes that there was once a city of Atlantis,

(01:09:04):
a state of Atlantis. It was an island situated somewhere
beyond the Hercules pillars, so beyond the Gibraltar, or so
beyond the Mediterranean Sea, so somewhere on the Atlantic, and
that Atlantis existed about nine thousand years before those events
of Solon. So if Solon lived about six hundred to

(01:09:24):
five hundred YEARESBC, Atlantis existed or was destroyed about nine thousand,
six hundred YEARSBC, which is of course the famous date
almost everywhere mentioned when it comes to lost civilizations in Atlantis,
and plenty of modern skeptics, as I mentioned, totally dismiss this,
mentioned that, you know, it was Solon, not Plato, who

(01:09:48):
was told the store of Atlantis by the Egyptian priests
of size. But we have a lot of evidence that
it was the case, because when we look at the
ancient Egyptian stories and texts and sources from different eras
of the existence of ancient Egypt, which existed actually for
about three thousand years, so a very very long time,

(01:10:12):
and we have lots of sources that corroborate to the
idea that so long could have really heard that story
of Atlantis. Because this is similar to other stories of
ancient Egypt. So that's why I mentioned that today we
will be talking about the true sources of Atlantis. Because
Plato was not the first and he didn't invent the

(01:10:36):
story of Atlantis. This story was much older than Plato,
and it was circulating, as we will see in a moment,
not only in Egypt. So this is a very interesting
topic for today.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yes, very much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I'm looking forward to getting into this. Also, do some
of these sources indicate that there were multiple cyclical eras
of Atlantis, multiple rises and falls just of what we
would consider Atlantis.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I will mention the cycles of time in the later
part of our conversation because I want to start with,
you know, taking the roots of the Atlantis story to
the times before Plato, because it is you know, the
main dogmatic view the perspective of modern scholars that Plato
totally invented Atlantis. But it is not the case, because

(01:11:29):
we mentioned that in his dialogues he mentioned Solon and
most of the scholars think that, you know, this is
just again Plato's imagination, that he wanted to introduce that
story and said that it is so valid because Solon
was talled it. But actually we have evidence that it
could be really the case. But let's start that even

(01:11:52):
the world the word atlantis was actually in circulation in
ancient Greece before Plato, because we got a lost poem
of Hellanicus, much older than Plato's Dialogues, before even the
birth of Plato. And you know, it is like a treaty,
like a poem, but we do not have many of

(01:12:13):
the lines that survived, only a few lines of the
original of course, poem by Hellanicus. And in this poem
he mentioned he mentions the Greek atlantis because in Greek
it is atlantis like in English, in modern day English.
It's also a very interesting thing. So the word, the

(01:12:33):
word atlantis was actually mentioned much much before Plato's Dialogues,
Tomizing critias. So again, if skeptics said that, skeptics say
that Plato imagine this story of Atlantis, why we have
atlantis as a word and as a location in an
older source. And it's also interesting because from what we

(01:12:56):
can actually describe. From this short poem, which is very fragmented,
we can say that it is very similar to the
beginning of the Atlantic story as described by Plato, because
Plato is describing that at first it is a very
interesting story. So let's let's like retell it again because

(01:13:17):
these are the details that are not often mentioned but
are very interesting. Because Plato mentions, after all those cosmological
things about the demirge et cetera, that the earth and
you know, its first eras was divided between several gods,
and it was Poseidon who actually was you know, was

(01:13:40):
actually assembled to take care of the land of Atlantis.
And it was like a mountainous region. It had like
a mound at the center, and you know, it was
an island of the size of Libya and Asia minors,
like an island, not like an entire continent, but also

(01:14:01):
not like Malta or Cyprus, a little bit bigger of
the size of Libya and Asia minor. So so Poseidon
was actually ordered to take care of this land, and
other gods were you know, divided into other lands. So
it's also very interesting because it is like a division

(01:14:22):
of the earth throughout gods. It may have some resemblance
to like the stories of Anunaki and other mentions like
you know, ancient Hindu epics in which different gods, you know,
rule different regions of the earth. It is a very
interesting addition to the entire story. And you know, after

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Poseidon had this land, he found that there was a
woman named Clayto, and he took this woman as his wife.
And then from you know, this couple there emerged the
kings of Atlantis their offspring, and there were and the
Atlantis was divided between like I think ten brothers, five

(01:15:06):
five pairs of twins. So it is a story like that.
And we have mentioned of Poseidon and of those divisions
of land in this pollen by Hellanicus, but it is
only fragmented. We have like three or four or five lines,
nothing more. But it is interesting because it is you know,
maybe this it was the same story, but it didn't

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survive fully to nowadays. So it's interesting that the same
story or a very similar story was much older in
Hellanicus in Greece before Plato. But similar stories can be
found in Egypt because as I mentioned, it was a
story that you know, it was an island with a
like mound with a hill at the center. And in

(01:15:50):
ancient Egypt, there are plenty of stories of the primeval
Mound of gods. There are mentions, for instance, in the
Temple of Atfu, of the primeval mount of gods. It
was a land that later just as Atlantists sung, and
this mentioned that on this land there you know, lived
several like several dynasties of gods and demigods, and then

(01:16:14):
there was a catastrophe and this Mount Suk. And interestingly,
any pyramid of ancient Egypt is a symbol of that
primeval mound. Even the apex of the pyramid called the
Benben stone is nothing more than you know, this primeval mound,
like symbolized in the you know, apex of the pyramid.

(01:16:36):
So it has connection to ancient Egypt because the pyramids,
our symbol are symbols of those you know, previous lands,
and these lands, as just as Atlantis, you know, was
an island with a central mound, and on this mound
there was a temple of Poseidon. So in the ancient
Egyptian tradition, there was a primeval mound in a very

(01:17:00):
very remote epoch called the Zeptepe, which lasted in about
ten thousand, five hundred BC, so again a similar date
like in Plato's Store of Atlantis, like eight thousand years earlier, earlier.
But it may be that it was like an earlier story,
because you know, maybe Atlantis was destroyed during nine thousand,

(01:17:22):
six hundred years BC in the story of Plato Atlantis,
and maybe the Zepteppi was before that destruction. Of course,
it may be that this civilization existed one thousand years
before before its destruction. It may be like that. But
we see parallels that are too much to ignore them
and say, you know that these are just random coincidences,

(01:17:45):
and they may prove that the story of Atlantis is
much older, and maybe it had its origins in ancient
Egypt with the story of Zeptepe, with the story of
primeval mount and even we can say that the Egyptian
pyramids were like symbolically showing us this remote era and
this primeval amount of the gods from that, you know,

(01:18:08):
Someken islands.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I want to look a little bit about the lost
technology of Atlantis. There's plenty that speculate about this that
possibly they may have had in the later instances of
Atlanta's extremely advanced technology something comparable to what we see
on Star Wars, but it depends on what era of

(01:18:32):
the Atlantian civilization you're discussing. Tell us a little bit
about your understanding of the technology throughout the eras.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
When it comes to the true sources, true historical sources,
as we mentioned from ancient Greece, from ancient Egypt, we
do not have mentions of like a very very advanced technology.
But this understanding of technology, and actually this is mentioned
in those texts may be completely different than ours nowadays,

(01:19:02):
because this technology may have been more like psychic, more
spiritual than like true materialistic like technology like machines like
computers and stuff like that. And in plenty of texts
and mentions from all around the world, we have mentions
that during those veryver old times, people were much more

(01:19:24):
psychic and they like manipulate energy and do things like that,
and we have mentions of that. It is also connected
to the cyclical time, because in my book I provide
the information that it may be that in the more
distant past people were much more psychic, and it's connected,

(01:19:46):
for instance, to the division of the cycles of time
of Hindu Yugas, in which we have the Golden Age,
the Satya crea yuga, creta yuga, and this age is
described as a full spiritual and everything, you know, all
the blessings and stuff like that. And then we have
other ages and the worst age is cali yoga, also

(01:20:08):
called the age of matter, in which people are actually
cut off of their spirituality and are more like maybe
like nowadays, without the spirituality, like in the atheistic and
scientific world that we are just you know, biological machines
and stuff like that. And why I mentioned those cycles
of time because Plato is describing a similar costful for

(01:20:33):
default of Atlantis, because he mentions that Atlantis felt because
it's people were starting to be more like animals than humans.
So it maybe you know that the spirituality of the
Atlanteans was lower, lower and lower throughout these centuries, and
maybe they you know, started really behaving like animals, you know,

(01:20:53):
becoming lustful, you know, becoming like greedy and stuff like that.
And the similar to the biblical fall of the Garden
of Eden, you know, in which people you know started
to feel shame like lower emotions and you know, started
you know, to almost be like animals. So there are
some parwerlels between that, and I think that maybe the

(01:21:16):
case that some of the technology was more spiritual, that
before the flow of Atlantis, people were much more like psychic,
had much higher levels of consciousness, and maybe they were
able to materialize things, to instantly manifest things, to manipulate
energy and stuff like that. And this is like more

(01:21:38):
when it comes to the true sources like the you
guess that I described those Hindu cycles of time are
described in the oldest of the text, in the Mahabarata,
which is also the longest epic in the entire ancient world.
So we have very early mentions that you know, there
are different cycles of time, and that's at some point

(01:21:59):
during his three people were much more spiritual. But like
in the biblical Garden of Eden, they started to be
lower lower, and they fell, and you know, maybe it
was because of the destruction of Atlantis.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
What about the accounts of Edgar Casey, what are your
thoughts on some of his insights into Atlantis.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Yes, this, as I mentioned, the case that we do
not have much of the advanced technology mentioned in the
originally like ancient texts and stuff like that. But in
the case of Edgar Casey or other psychics, even like
I have. I my friend Michael Laflan, who described in
his book Visions of Atlantis, he you know, provides examples

(01:22:45):
of the parils between Casey, other medium other psychics, and
the true evidence. So you know, he's an expert in
this field. But what I can mention is that you know,
in many cases Edgar casey readings are very accurate and
are beyond more coincidence that he happened, you know, to

(01:23:06):
tell the truth, you know, was healing people with very
strange things, and later people were healed. And later plenty
of doctors were actually describing that this thing that Casey
was describing them and telling them that he did that
during that and you will be healed, was actually working.

(01:23:28):
So when it comes to Casey, we've got plenty of
evidence that he was correct in plenty of his readings,
So why should we ignore his readings on Atlantis? And
in the case of Casey, he of course tell us that,
you know, there were some technologies in those different eras
of Atlantis, and as you mentioned at the beginning, that

(01:23:50):
they were even different eras of the Atlantis itself, and
you know, part of the Atlantis was destroyed at some point,
but later it was rebuilt, and probably when it comes
to Casey, the final destructure of Atlantis was actually that
one described by Plato. Let's say nine thou six hundred

(01:24:10):
years before current era, so it was the final destruction
of Atlantis. So maybe you know, at the end of Atlantis,
when you know you are after periods of several destructions,
maybe they didn't have much technology left at that point,
and that's why Plato isn't describing much of those technologies,
maybe except for ury calcium, which was a special kind

(01:24:34):
of metal. But what is interesting is that Plato mentioned
that the sea the ocean when the Atlantis once existed
at his times, So in the times of ancient Greece
was still innavigable. You couldn't like take a ship and
swim through those that place of Atlantis, because there were

(01:24:57):
plenty of mud and there were plenty, you know, of
stuff floating from Atlantis. So if it was like two thousand,
like more than two thousand years ago, who knows, you know,
maybe those things from Atlantis we're still in existence in
the Middle Ages, and maybe because of that we may

(01:25:17):
be able in the near future to find so remnants
of Atlantis. But Plato isn't mentioning like cases and advanced technologies,
but like other sources. I mentioned that there is a
great parallel between Plato's destruction of Atlantis and the yoga
from Mahabaratta. You know, in Mahabarata we've got descriptions of

(01:25:38):
plenty of different technologies, and there we do not only
have mentions of psychic technology, like people that are physically
blind but seeing their mind's eye battle that is taking
place hundreds of kilometers away from them. So this is
like a psychic like telekinesis or something like that psychic

(01:26:01):
you know vision. But in Mahabarata there are also more
physical mentions, like of vimanas. In my book, I mentioned
the vimanas and the true sources of the manas many
times because plenty of skeptics, again like in the case
of Atlantis, are saying that vimanas is a modern invention
because the main source often quoted is by Manica Shastra.

(01:26:23):
And this is like Edgar cases Atlantis. It is like
a channel information, but apart from channel the information, just
like in the case of Atlantis, we have true sources.
And in my book I try to find those true
sources and to debuk the idea that it is all
like new age mystification and new age imagination because it

(01:26:46):
is not. And in Mahabarata and even in the Vedas,
which are also one of the oldest texts from the
entire planet, we have plenty of mentions of vimanas which
were probably like true aircraft of ancient India, true flying
machine is because some of their descriptions are really similar
to like modern technology. And in my book I show

(01:27:09):
that it is very similar to what we called like
a quantum non resistant state, in which certain objects made
from superconductors are floating without any like propulsion. They are
just floating, but with special conditions, and superconductors are for instance,

(01:27:32):
things like metals like mercury, and mercury was often mentioned
when it comes to the propulsion of the vimana, so
it may be that they use this technology which is
nowadays developed in plenty of areas of our technologies, and
that this idea was used. So when it comes to
technology and original texts, we get, for instance, the Demanas,

(01:27:55):
which might be connected to the Atlantis because Casey was
mentioned that the flying machines of the Atlantis were called
valksy and you know there were like cigar shapes. So
it may be that the manas and vulks of Atlantis,
you know, maybe the same idea, the same flying machine

(01:28:15):
used in different you know, origins of the entire planet.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Do you think that Atlantis or different variations were a
global civilization or was it secluded to certain parts of
the globe.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Yes, of course I think that the main Atlantis, as
Plato mentions his you know, this state, was probably located
somewhere on the Atlantic, so it was like a capital.
But of course the influence, and we see that for
instance from the accounts of Casey or other mediums that
you know, the influence of Atlantis was global. It was

(01:28:52):
like saying nowadays, oh, for instance, I live in Europe,
and you know, we've got the European Union, which has
like in vessels its capital. But you know, the europe
is also in other places in the entire you know,
on the European continent. So maybe you know that there
was a main city, maybe the first city, like the
primeval mound that is mentioned by the Egyptians. But of

(01:29:15):
course it's I think it was global because even in
Plato's dialogues we have mentioned that Atlantians were having influence
over the Mediterranean. There is even in Plato's original dialogues
the Mason Crites, there are mentioned that there that they
had influence over Egypt, over Italy, you know, the region

(01:29:36):
of the Italy, of course, not the Italy itself, like
the country, but of the you know, this peninsula, and
they tried to gain influence over Athens, but you know Athenians.
Athenians fought them and they won the battle, and this
battle was often celebrated in the later times, which is
also one of the best evidence that Plato's Atlantis was

(01:29:57):
before Plato, because before Plato was born in Athens, there
was a festival in which Athenians were celebrating their victory
over Atlantians in a very remote era. So again another
you know, pre Platonic source of Atlantis, because if we
see that even you know, in the Plato's Atlantes, we
have mentioned that, you know, it had influence over more

(01:30:20):
region than the Atlantis itself. And that's why I think
that the Atlantis was not on the Eye of the Sahara,
because many people are telling that Eye of the Sahara
is Atlantis, but maybe I of the Sahara was another
city of the Atlantic State. But I think that it
wasn't the Atlantis itself that is originally mentioned by Plato.

(01:30:44):
But you know, maybe they had similar architecture, those concentric
rings in other cities. You know, we are all nowadays,
we have also some different architectural styles that we are
you know, building and we are creating in different areas
of the entire globes. So it may have been that
the Atlantis was the same. And last time we mentioned megaliths,

(01:31:06):
and we mentioned the what they called pre historic megalithic architecture,
and I think that you know, the same polygonal walls
like those from Cusco, which can be found in Europe,
in Egypt and in the Far East, are also you know,
signs of the existence of Atlantis, and that this culture

(01:31:28):
maybe you know, some of them were built after the
fall of Atlantis. But this is the evidence that this
culture was more global. And also last time we mentioned
the perkhistoric measures of the Earth that were for instance
encoded in the Great Permit of Giza, So we mentioned
other evidence. I want, you know, repeat myself, but it
is I think another evidence that at least the knowledge

(01:31:50):
of the entire Earth was in possession of Atlantians, and
we do not know if they conquered the entire earth
or they just traveled and visited of its lands.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Something else that's brought up in the New Age and
Channeling community is the land of Lumeria that supposedly was
supposed to exist around the same time as Atlantis. Maybe
they had battles between them. There's all sorts of quote
unquote channeled information that has come out about Lumeria. What
are your thoughts about this?

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Yes, you know, the name La Muria is actually wrong.
It should be more because Lemuria was, you know, like
this beneath the Indian Peninsula, this land that was to
connect the Lemurs. That's why it's name. But when it
comes to Lamuria, it should be named to move and
actually about to move. We have plenty of sources because

(01:32:46):
we found the mansions of the lost land of Move,
for instance, in the region of Mesoamerica, in the cultures
of Mayas and of Aztex and we have even mentioned
which may be connect to those bottles between Lemurians and
Atlanteans and between the coexistence of those two lands. Because

(01:33:08):
I think in Chilean balance, which is one of the
codeces from Mesoamerica. I think I mentioned it in my book.
I have all the quotes, but I think there we
have mentioned that to Meso, to this Central America, there
arrived two groups of people and they had different symbols,

(01:33:29):
different designations. I think one was of the jaguar tribe
and the second one was I think of the reptile tribe.
So it's under conspiracy theory if there were like of
the reptile tribe, maybe some reptilions, but I don't remember,
but I remember that there were there were two groups
of people that arrived to Central America, and one arrived

(01:33:51):
from the west and one arrived from the east. So
one maybe arrived from the Pacific from the Lemuriambu and
one arrived from Atlantic. And if we take a look
at the geology of our planet during those distances that
Plato describes for the fall of Atlantis, I think that
you know, it was the end of the last ice age,

(01:34:13):
and it was a global event. So surely if more
lands than Atlantis existed, and if you know, ice caps
were melting at the times very rapidly, so why not
you know sinking, why not other lands also sunk? I
think that you know, it is logical, and we have
evidence that it were global, the logious global flights, global

(01:34:37):
sinkings of the ice caps. So it may be, you know,
that maybe the Moule sunk at a similar time, at
a similar period of time like Atlantis.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Now, is there anything else that we should cover before
we get into the cycles of time and the cyclical
cataclysms that cause the civilization horizon fall.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Finishing the threat of Lemuriamo. We have also mentions of
more in d Far East, but these are like just
some legends and stories, and we have much more evidence
and sources for Atlantis done for Moulemuria. And just as
you know, then I mentioned that modern skeptics are telling
us that Plato invented the story of Atlantis. So when

(01:35:25):
it comes to Moo, they say that it was invented
by James Charchward of the like eighteen hundreds and nineteen
hundreds in his famous books in which he mentioned that
he was able to find some inscriptions, and he never
uncovered what those inscriptions were. He found them in India

(01:35:46):
and they described the lost city of Mood. So it
is to some extent like a fairy tale, and plenty
of modern skeptics are telling me, oh, this is James
Chargeward that invented Mulamuria. But actually, as I mentioned, we
have other mentions, just as in the case of Plato
which mentioned Themura, like those sources from Mesoamerica and from

(01:36:08):
the far East, which aren't that to know specific like
the Atlantis, but there still exists and finishing the thread
of Atlantis there is also there are also other mentions
of Atlantis from all around the world. For instance, Aztecs
were telling us that they actually came from the sunken

(01:36:28):
land of Astland and you know Aslan Atlantis are very
similar and ats thell atl Indi nahuatel. I think language
means actually water. So again island that sung, you know
water and they know it was destroyed it sung they
came to Mesa America. It maybe you know that when

(01:36:49):
we see Atlantic, when we see the Atlantic Ocean. Some
people after the fall of Atlantis went to like Europe,
went to Africa, and some went to Mezzama, like the
Aztecs were saying. So here we've got also a similar mention.
And one of the capital of Aztecs, tenach Tittland, was

(01:37:09):
actually located. It was like a medieval city, but it
was located on a lake Texcoco in central like Mexico.
And on this lake there was a main island which
had like Templo mayor so the Great, the main temple,
and it had it connected like several smaller artificial islands,

(01:37:33):
which is very similar to Plato's description of Atlantis and
the primeval amount of the Egyptians that you know, Atlantis
was an island. It had like a some hill or
some mound at the middle, there was like the temple
at the middle, and then there were like concentering rings
of islands, you know, throughout Atlantis. So tenach Tittland was

(01:37:54):
similar to Atlantis. And if we take a look at
the you know, mentions of conco vistadors who like described
this stench statland, it is very similar to Atlantis from looking.
And the Aztecs themselves were telling the conquistadors that they
actually rebuilt the lost plant of Adsland, So they built

(01:38:17):
the Chittland with the Aslan in their minds, so they
were like modeling their new capital on the you know,
previous lost land, which is similar to Atlantis. So it
may be that Adstan was actually an Atlantist and that
Aztecs made their capital that looked like Atlantis. So this

(01:38:38):
is another thing to you know, pile up the evidence
for Atlantis. So now let's move on. As you mentioned
to these cycles of time, and you know, one parle
with Atlantis was of course the you know, the Yugas
of the Hindu Mahabarata and other vedict texts, and you
know the fall to the each of my cali Yuga,

(01:39:01):
and in the case of Atlantis, we had the fall
of humanity from the level of humans of spirituality maybe
or from intellect to the level of being like animals.
So it is also similar because cali Yuga is described
that people will be like immense in matter and there
will be plenty of suffering and stuff like that. So

(01:39:23):
it is similar like to falling from a high spiritual
state too, like a very primitive state. So it was
one parallel. But in my book I found also that
there are plenty of other parallels. And in my book
I also mentioned a case of true repeated history which

(01:39:44):
happened in the zodiac cycle. And the Zodec was of
course known from the ancient times and the knowledge of
the zodiac because nowadays we think that the zodec is
division of the year into twelve Zodeac signs. But there
is also a division of the entire cycle of Earth

(01:40:05):
called the grade year, also the Platonic year. So this
is funny that you know, Plato's Atlantis full of Atlantics
cyclical time and the Great Platonic year and the Great
Platonic yea is a cycle of the bubble of our
planet which lasts for twenty five, nine hundred and twenty years.
And you know, it is a specific number which is connected,

(01:40:25):
for instance to four three two, And you know four
three two is a number often mentioned in the vedict texts.
In my book, I actually show you that, you know,
when it comes to those cycles we have, oh I've
got this chapter actually. For instance, number of syllables in
the rig Veda is forty three thousand, two hundred thousand,

(01:40:49):
so four three two. Well, and then we have a
number of stanzas in the rig Veda which is one eighth.
These are all, you know, the numbers of the procession
of the equinoxes. And you know, these are more about
not only knowledge of our ances stories, but also about
you know, the harmony of the universe and how it

(01:41:10):
was created. Because this number of four three two is
also a like cosmic number. We have it between like
the sun, Earth and Earth Moon measurements. I found out
that later after writing my book, So four three two
isn't like just a new age number for you know,
tuning of some instruments or music, but it was known

(01:41:34):
since the ancient times, and it is connected to the
cycles of time, to the cycles of our planet. And
I found just as this number is very like specific,
It isn't like four hundred or three hundred and fifty,
you know, it is four three two. And this number
of the Great Year, it was known to our ancient
ances stories, was twenty five nine hundred twenty. And I

(01:41:56):
found that this number and the mentioned by repeating history
is actually being repeated with such specificity. It is like
when we divide the Great Year into twelve signs of
the zodiac, one zodiac sign will last for about two thousand,
one hundred sixty years. And I found out that history

(01:42:17):
repeated exactly after two one hundred and sixty is like
to an extent of a few months of difference, which
is in my opinion, very very accurate and very very specific.
It isn't like five years off, you know what I mean.
So these numbers were known, and these are very specific,
and they connect to the wobble of our planet it's

(01:42:39):
positioned the source system, and also to the cycles of time.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
How many versions of Atlantis do you think rosen fell before?
We have our history that is seemingly recorded up to
a few thousand years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
It is connected with Casey and with the original Egyptian stories,
and it is also another clue and evidence that the
story of Atlantis existed in Egypt before Plato, because you know,
when it comes to our histree, we think that it's
started like three thousand, maybe three thousand, five hundred years
before Curentira. But you know, now we have Plato's Atlantis,

(01:43:23):
which is nine thousand, six hundred years busy. That's why
most of the scholars autrightly rejected it because it was,
you know, too long ago, and at that time, you know,
no one with such skills to both civilization existed according
to the mainstream view. But then in the nineteen nineties
we found, for instance, gobecly Tepe, which is a megalethic

(01:43:44):
site with blocks of a few to like eleven fourteen
tons of weight, and you know, these blocks are at
least from nine thousand years before Crinia, so from the
times of Atlantis. It may be another clue to Atlantic
But you know, this date is very old, and plenty
of people say, oh, that's why it's the imagination of Plato.

(01:44:06):
But in Egypt we have also tradition of a much
older Egypt, because most of the sources that are even
accepted by Egyptologists that say that, you know, there was
this Pharioh, then there was this Parioh. No, those chronological
lists of rulers that according to Egyptologists are to like
seventy eighty percent accurate with modern chronology. We've got plenty

(01:44:29):
of them. They are from different eras. Some are like
five hundred years after the the like perse Egyptian Pharia
according to the mainstream. Some are like very late, just
before the finish of the entire ancient Egypt. You know,
we've got plenty of those texts from different eras, and
all of them mentioned that before the first Pharrioh, accepted

(01:44:51):
by the mainstream, the menaced Narmar, who was to unify
upper and lower Egypt, there were other rulers and at
the very very early periods there were gods and demigods.
And this is a mention similar to those lands of gods,
to that primeval mound, that suk in which gods were ruling,

(01:45:11):
and it sunk, it was destroyed, so they went to Egypt.
The similar to Casey who mentioned that the pyramids were
actually built by Atlantians, and after the fall of Atlantis,
people from Atlantis, those survivors went to Egypt, and that's
how the ancient Egyptian civilization started at a such high
level of sophistication. So it is similar to Casey. And

(01:45:33):
just like Casey mentions and other media mediums are mentioning
you know that there were several periods of Atlantis. It
may be possible because according to ancient Egyptians, the first
rulers were about thirty six thousand years before you know,
current era of their times, so you know, before those

(01:45:55):
sources were created. So you know if Plato's Atlantis actually
was destroyed nine thousand, six hundred years BC during the
end of the last Ice Age, because it isn't just
a day like that, but it is the end of
the last Ice Age, the younger dryers and the melting
of the glaciers, a geological event of a global scale

(01:46:15):
that could have led to sinking of lots of lands
from all around the world. The calculated that about twenty
five millions curri kilometers, which is more than the area
of North America, actually sunk from the last ice ahso
from about twenty thousand BC till nowadays. So imagine if Atlantis,

(01:46:35):
just as Casey is saying, existed like twenty thirty or
even sixty thousand years before current era, it may be
that you know, lots of lands since that time sunk
because the rise of the sea level was from about
twenty eighteen thousand BC about one hundred twenty meters, which

(01:46:55):
is a lot and as I mentioned, lots of lands
actually sunk a co into geologists. So you know, Casey
mentions that Atlantis is much older even than Plato, and
you know, ancient Egyptian sources are also telling us that
the amount of the gods was much older, and the
zeptep It was like the Golden Age after which this

(01:47:16):
all that civilization was destroyed. And actually zeptep He was
a thousand years before the fall of Atlantis by Plato,
so it may be that it was the Golden Age
and after that Golden Age that peak, there was the
fall of Atlantis. It may be like that. So we
have even you know, Casey can be cooborated with the
true evidence and true sources. And you know, not only Egypt,

(01:47:40):
but also the Hindu texts are telling us of a
much older history. And you know, the famous battle of Mahabarata,
the Battle of Kurukshetra was mentioned to like have more
than a billion people who died at this battle. So
more than a billion, so imagine that, you know, I

(01:48:01):
like two or three billion of people were fighting at
that wall. It may be that it is an imaginary number.
But you know, if Atlantis was as advanced as Casey
or other psychics are telling us, it may be, you
know that it was a huge war, a huge battle,
maybe even bigger than you know, the World War two
or World War One. So you know, we have some

(01:48:24):
clues in the original text that may be corroborating the
psychic evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Now you have a chapter in the book called the
True Law of Karma. Tell us a little bit about
what she wrote about in this chapter.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
M Yes, it was like a sub chapter. But this
chapter was about disruputing history that I mentioned. It is
you know, too specific to mention it here, but a history,
but our history really repeated in one. So the cycle
I mentioned the whole Potanic here is about twenty five,
nine hundred and twenty and if you divided it by

(01:49:01):
the twelve Zodec signs, then you have two thousand, one
hundred sixty years. And you know, it wasn't a single
event like a battle that happened in a similar situation
two thousand, one hundred sixties after that, But it was
a consecutive like flow of events in like a period
of seventy sixty years that happened exactly the same after

(01:49:24):
two one hundred sixties, but of course in different conditions.
At first we had like ancient Rome and battle with Carthage,
and now we had like it was modern United States
and battle against Hitler. And there were even similarities between
Hitler and Hannibal from ancient times. And you know, Hanneibal

(01:49:45):
it was this famous you know general who had his
army march through Alps with the like war elephants. But
actually the name itself, Hanneybal means has ball in itself,
and ball was in the Satan, the you know Semitic deity,
which was a very bad, you know, but God like

(01:50:06):
like later Satan. It wasn't originally, of course Satan. But
here've got Hitler, he will get Hannibal. You know, similar
people and events happening in the same way. So it
may be that it was it is a true case
of reincarnation, and maybe hanniball was later incarnated on Earth
in the in the like person of Hitler. So it

(01:50:28):
may be the case. I describe it very meticulously in
this chapter of my book. And you know, it may
be that some law of karma really exists. And you
know often when it comes to karma or incarnation, we
are talking about the New Age, so rul thing. But
he will get the true case of history, like true

(01:50:48):
material evidence that history really repeated itself. So I think
that if we found more of that evidence, it would
be paradigm shifting experience for the entire science.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Now based on that and the overall direction that you
see our planet heading right now, if you look back
at the cycles of time through history, do you think
we could be facing a new era of a rise
and possible fall of our civilization.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
There's an interesting division of yoga by a yogi called
Shri yuktas Far who actually managed divides yoga in a
way that is similar to our modern division of ancient
times Middle Ages like nowadays, because he divides yoga in
a way that the dark cal yoga was actually doing

(01:51:44):
the Middle Ages, which were dark ages. So it was
this dark age, and according to him, the calor yoga
ended in about the times of Renaissance. And it happens
to be quite specific when it comes to the dates,
and they happened to be divided by the procession of
the equinoxis this great year of Plato that we mentioned,

(01:52:07):
and it is also in correspondence to Maha Barata and
the earliest mentions of true Yugas. And he mentions that
the Renaissance, which was of course like rebef even the
word renaissance means, i know from Polish Odrodzenias, so rebb
because the Middle Ages were actually a fall from the
ancient times, because in ancient times people were better than

(01:52:30):
in the Middle Ages. The Ages were the dark times
because humanityy fell down, and then the Renaissance was coming
back to the ancient times of Greece and Rome. You know,
often in the Renaissance, you know, sculptors, architects were you know,
taking inspiration from ancient Greece, from ancient Rome and stuff
like that. So it were the dark ages, the color

(01:52:51):
you get the darkest age, and the Yugas are mentioned
even in the Maha Barata have about three hundred years
of transitionary peers, you know, it cannot believe that, you know,
we have golden age and then immediately we fall, you know,
it can't be like that. There are no periods of transition.
And if we add from the Renaissance from about fifteen hundreds,

(01:53:12):
like three hundred years, we find we find ourselves in
eighteen hundreds nineteen hundreds in a new age called Vapara yoga.
And the Vapara Yoga is like a half age. Have good,
have bad, have spirituality, have materializes. And it may be
connected actually because the Vapara, you guys, is also an
age of energy. And since the eighteen hundreds we started

(01:53:36):
developing energy at a large scale, you know, first engines,
then electricity, then in nineteen hundreds atomic you know, age,
atomic bomb, atomic energy. It would correspond to the Yugas.
And I think that tricks far was on a good
track and I think that you know, it may be
that we are just after this transitional period in a

(01:53:57):
second age, this energetic age, in which everything is fast
because there is polarity. If everything is have good, have bad,
have material, have spiritual, and you have a polarity like
masculine and feminine half and half, then everything you know
is fast. And it may be that's and it may
be the source of why our modern times are so

(01:54:19):
we know fast, everything is faster, faster, you know, the
progress and stuff like that. And I think that it
is a good description of the ages. And we may
be like at the start or one hundred two hundred
years after the beginning of the energetic age of the
Vapara Yoga and not on some brink of collapse, like
you know, some apocalyptic visions are presenting to us.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
What are your thoughts about some of the discoveries being
made in the West by independent researchers, like Egyptian artifacts
in the Grand Canyon, possible evidence of massive Atlantean ships
and shipwrecks off the coast of Florida, all these things
that are indicating, like we were talking about earlier, that

(01:55:05):
this was a global civilization that had ties across the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
I think that some of them are of course hoaxes,
because you know, people are like that, and there were
plenty of hoaxes that were the bank, but I think
that some are real evidence, you know, of trans oceanic voyages,
and it isn't like you know, very conservative scores are No,
there weren't voyages like that. But even the ancient Egyptian

(01:55:36):
ships from three thousand YEARSBCS, from the beginning of ancient Egypt,
were capable of transoceanic voyages. They were so advanced, so
you know, maybe they were used to such voyages. Who knows,
and even when it comes. It is also a mention
by Plato in his two dialogues demisin Quitas, in which
he mentions Atlantis. He mentioned that is often you know,

(01:55:59):
this missed or not mentioned, and this they mentioned that
when Plato describes Atlantis, he mentions that it was beyond Gibraltar,
so beyond the Mediterranean Sea, so we've got Atlantic Ocean.
And he mentions that there was a continent surrounding this ocean.
And if we like take a look from these straits

(01:56:20):
of Gibraltar on the Atlantic Ocean, we see that all
of the Americas line up like you know, something that
surrounds this ocean, you know, North America is connected with
South America and it's like one huge land. So if
you were like Plato's seeing everything from the Strait of Gibraltar,
you would see that there is an ocean and at

(01:56:42):
the end of that ocean there is a huge continent
that surrounds it. And it's a great mention that, you know,
at the times of Plato, there was a knowledge of
Americas and it was there may be no day didn't know.
People at that time didn't know everything about Americas, but
they knew that, you know, there is Atlantic Ocean and

(01:57:02):
at the end of Atlantic Ocean there is a whole continent,
you know, Americas that's surrounded So I think that it
will be a common knowledge in like twenty fifty years
that Americas were known from much older times, just like
we took the rods of discoveries from Columbus to the Vikings,

(01:57:24):
and now we can take it from the Vikings to
the ancient times. So we have plenty of the actual
evidence for that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
Yes, it's really fascinating. So what is going to be
upcoming for you? Are you going to be working on
anything new here in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
Yes, I want because in my book I mentioned a
lot of stuff like that, But I want ideas for
at least a few books. But one I want to
be for like lost knowledge of the Ancients and going
deep into the true evidence, like true sources, not some
like oohu stuff about the knowledge of the dimensions of

(01:58:03):
the planet, of the continents like I mentioned Jazz, the Americas,
you know, all of those lands connecting that, and also
lots of other knowledge like from Mahabarata that I mentioned,
and another one I want to focus on that you know,
sources of Atlantis that I mentioned at the beginning, that
Plato didn't invent Atlantis, just as skeptics want it to say.

(01:58:26):
And as we mentioned today, we have plenty of true
sources that are before Plato and are very similar to Atlantis.
So I want to focus on that thing and to
focus on that knowledge. And apart from that, I was
always into like consciousness universe. So this is like the
third area of everything which is actually connected because you know,

(01:58:49):
maybe I will throughout this journey going more into the
cycles of time, so maybe you know it will connect
the lost knowledge of the ancients and the consciousness workings
of the universe. And of course another thing that I
mentioned this for fruit too. This is no harmony in
geometry of the entire universe. There is tons of info

(01:59:09):
about that. I have some of them, but I, you know,
need to connect all the dots, like in the case
of Atlantis and with my book Dejavi. Has everything already
been excellent?

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
Alexander, thank you so much. Before we close out, remind
the audience where they can find your book, your website
and anything else you get.

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
Yes, my book is deja because everything already ben Alexander Tishkievitch.
It is on Amazon US, UK, Europe, Australian, on many
amazons all around the world. My website is It is hard,
but I sent you a link. It is just givic
Global dot com. And you can find me also on Facebook,
Instagram and YouTube. Just by typing my name Alexander Tijskivich

(01:59:54):
you will probably find me excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
All those links will be right there for you to
click the description. Alexander, thank you so much. We'll definitely
talk again in the future. So much more to discuss,
and until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We
will talk again tomorrow and we'll see y'all then.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
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