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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today, I want to welcome Angus Mustang. He is co
host of Nights of the Storm on Rumble and host
of the Event Horizon podcast, where he discusses current events,
paranormal UFOs and extraterrestrials, conspiracies, and history. Angus, welcome. How
you doing good?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Chris? How are you today?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I can't complain. Welcome to this show. I had a
great time on your podcast last month, and you had
some great insights as well as the shows you're doing.
I love your podcasts and we're going to get into
some of the mutual insanity that we both discuss on
our shows. But this is your first time on Before
we do any of that, tell the audience about yourself

(00:49):
and your podcast and what led you to start the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, I used to follow this was before COVID and
pre nine to eleven. You know, I used to follow
talk radio politics Russe Limbaugh for example, pretty much daily,
and then nine to eleven happened. I followed the mainstream

(01:13):
narrative on it, you know, never really thought about it.
Couldn't figure that people would actually do that to their
own people, you know, or at least be part of it.
And then when COVID came around. I didn't buy into it.
There was just to me that was it was starting
to open my eyes. So now you don't. You're in

(01:34):
the lockdown for a couple of weeks, and I travel
for work. I travel weekly, you know, I do sales.
So now I'm sitting in my garage for five months.
I think it was so every day, you know, I'm
doing work and let's say my office in my garage.
And I started listening to you. I used to listen
to a lot of when I used to work nights before.

(01:56):
I had listened to Coast to Coast AM during and
I and also Ground Zero. So I started when I
was in my grade. I just started looking up old
Coast to Coast recordings, you know. I found his website
and I went on that, and then that took me
to starting to listen to podcasts. And one of the

(02:17):
first podcasts and I always liked to put us out
there to Billy Ray whenever I see him or talk
to him, is that he his infinite fringe podcast for
Billy Ray Valentine was the one that got me started
in the podcast. And then I started listening about nine
to eleven stuff, and that just really opened my eyes
to the whole thing. And actually last weekend, my wife

(02:39):
and I were in New York City for Free World
NYC with Billy Ray. Charlie Robinson was there, got to
talk to him briefly, Wayne mccroy. There was a couple
of guys with Don Jeffries. Actually I interviewed him on
Knights of the Storm with Jason Barker, and I know

(03:00):
he's been on Forbidden Knowledge News before, along with Charlie
Robinson too. I know charge Charlie Robinson's How you Got
your start, But so yeah, I got into that and
and now I you know, I just see what has
happened now. I mean, they took something as simple as COVID,
and you know, they divided us over the past thirty years.

(03:22):
You're either on the red team or you're on the
blue team. So when you take something what was supposed
to have been a health issue like COVID and turn
it into a political thing and trying to divide people
on that, I mean, you know that's just not right.
You know there's something up here. So you know, I
listened to a lot of podcasts during the day now
when I'm home or when I'm traveling. If I can

(03:44):
catch him and they're not political so to speak. You know,
it's pretty much it's politics, but it's not one sided.
And both of them I listened to, so I know
people in the chat rooms, and that's how I got
involved into starting a podcast. I was asked a co
host and or be a guest actually on one, and
then it turned into a co host and you know,

(04:05):
we cover a lot of different things. This week we
had Texas Slim on from the Beach Beef Initiative. You know,
we talked about the food supply and how they can
destroy that now. And so then you know, I started
my own podcasts. Well you've been on an event horizon. Yeah,
we'll just try to get off the mainstream stuff. It's

(04:28):
I have a lot of the same guys that you
know are in the chat room, so we just get
into different things, paranormal UFOs. We did one this Saturday
about time travel and everything. Just try to have a
good time and just relax and so it's it's yeah,
I love it. It's yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Got to have a good time with it exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
But that's how I.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Got Yeah, I love that you people like yourself are
are starting to do things like podcasts, but because we
need to check out of our current mainstream dystopian systems,
especially the way the entertainment business and the forms of
entertainment that we've been gravitating to for the past decade

(05:11):
and before that has shaped society in a very negative
way and cause a lot of propaganda to enter our system.
And that's what it's become all about lately, is propaganda
and pushing forward different agendas and psychological operations to steer
us in certain directions. Looking back at everything that's happened

(05:34):
for the past two three years since twenty twenty, do
you think that there is a desired end game for
all of this. I've had plenty of different different opinions
come across the show as to what those could be.
Some of the most common would be a technocratic system

(05:59):
that keeps us more in check and gives the elites
more power, as well as an extinguishing of a level
of spirituality and bringing in a new era of these
insane ideologies that these elitists told. What do you think

(06:20):
about the desired outcome of everything happening right now?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think that's a very big part of it, you know,
the technocratic one world government that they want to build.
And you know, I think they've self proclaimed themselves to
be gods, you know, or overlords and whatever you want
to call them. But I still think that there's something
more going on. I just and that's another reason kind

(06:45):
of why I started getting more involved. You know, I've
always been a fan of the paranormal UFOs and all that,
but I still think there's something more nefurious going on.
And I'm just trying to listen as much stuff as
I can and start to tie it all together. I mean,
there's the reason and why they're doing this, and no
human is going to treat another human the way that
they do, you know, to think that. And I don't

(07:08):
know if I had mentioned it to you before, but
so you look at the Anna Naki. Supposedly they came here
and took you know, prehistoric man changed the DNA made
us to be slaves of mine gold. So is that
what the m RNA shot is doing to make us
slaves for something else? I mean, it's they definitely want

(07:28):
us as slaves or some kind of underclass. But you know,
I get to spend a lot of time in the
car too. I drove up I flew into Dallas this morning.
I just drove up here to our Moore, Oklahoma, a
couple hour drive, but I was thinking on the way up,
I'm like, what if we are you know, if they
put us all in change and they hold us all

(07:49):
down as slaves, how do the technocrats, what do they
get out of it there? Because there won't be any
more exchange of money, you know, unless it's just going
to be like a two system. You know, there's supposed
to be like a thousand billionaires now, I guess, and
you know, since the start of COVID is that what
you know, they want their own little thing going on,

(08:10):
and we're just going to be the slaves that are
just going to make everything run everything. But it almost
feels to me sometimes I think maybe they're terrorforming the
earth for something, you know, maybe maybe they're aliens and
this is how you know. And now Bill Gates wants
to cut down over a million trees. And one day
they tell you or carbon dioxide is bad, one day

(08:32):
they tell you it's good, then it's bad again. It's
like they're just trying to keep everybody in the state
of confusion. But there's they know what they're doing. They're not.
They're not.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
There definitely seems to be a spiritual aspect to what's
going on. I believe we are in the midst of
a spiritual war, and it is hard to understand how
people who are genuine human beings who have a spiritual, creative,
divine spark commit some of the atrocities that our global

(09:03):
elite leaders commit on a daily basis, And what's really
behind some of the agendas that they're putting forward If
you look deep enough, nothing is for our benefit and
it all seems to be at the deepest levels for
a very malevolent, selfish but also spiritual purpose. Something that

(09:25):
they are they are dabbling into some sort of spiritual
practice that will bring them power, bring their visions to
light right.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And it's I guess we have to figure out what
their vision is other than, like I said, just being
our overlords and they're the gods and you know, but
I still think there's just something more. And why is
twenty thirty the target for everything? You know? Is there
something that's going to happen in twenty thirty that is
just you know, Planet X people talk about maybe that's

(10:01):
coming back around, But what would be the advantage to them,
you know, uh, lessening in the population. You know, then
you get into things like MAUI yeah with that, and
it seems, you know, the way they've covered that up.
So it's been over a month now, and I was
just listening to a podcast. It was on Friday, and

(10:23):
you know, they're still going in there and just trying
to recover bodies. It's like, you know, typically you would
have a flood or something like that and people run
in that day to find survivors as quick as possible.
The first thing they did was put up a fence
so you can't see inside. I mean, are they doing
something or are they just trying to use that as

(10:44):
a distraction, you know, So and then people go, well,
look what they're doing, and you know, just to keep
the the quote unquote the conspiracy theorist busy, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Just well, it does seem like there's some kind of
like timeline that they're going going off of, some sort
of prophetic timeline. I'm not sure if I talked about
this on your show, but I talked about it plenty
of times, about the video that I saw whenever I
was in elementary school that depicted the apocalypse and showed
everything from alien invasions to pandemics, bores, and global government takeovers.

(11:21):
And it was very similar to everything we're seeing now.
So it just makes me wonder, is there some sort
of prophetic timeline that these elitists are going off of.
Are they aware that something in the future is going
to happen so they make it seem like it's playing
out naturally or they actually caused it that something to happen, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
You know, and like the flooding in Libya. I did
a podcast last Thursday, the Foxhall with Jason Barker, and
I bought that up because, you know, we destroyed that
country that was the which is country in Libya until
we took out Malmar Kadaffi. It was it twenty eleven

(12:06):
or twenty fourteen, but you know, we basically destroyed them, destroyed.
You know, they have nothing. They went back to being
a third world country. So now the flooding, you know,
they like to say it was caused by the cyclone
or typhoon, but it was actually two dams broke, two
fifty year old dams. So maybe they didn't have the
infrastructure and the money to go back and you know,

(12:29):
to upkeep these to repair them as as needed, you know,
so I think we're just as responsible for that. But
you know, it's another one of those things where they
don't care because you know, it's still moving towards that
agenda of lessening the population.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think everything we've seen, even looking back to the
Second and First World War, they're all stepping stones to
some of the events that are unfolding now, especially the
assassination of JFK. And then you had nine eleven and
like you were talking about earlier, which all paved the
way for the agendas and events that are currently unfolding.

(13:08):
I don't think that everything we're seeing now could have
could have occurred if the previous events did not happen.
And the question is what is it all leading up to?
And there's also concerns as to why are now they
showing us aliens? Why is all the shenanigans happening with
alien alien bodies or paper mache projects being shown in Mexico.

(13:32):
I don't know, what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I kind of think the same thing. I heard about it,
and then I researched it, looked up the video and
saw and you know, it's one of those things where
they look too good to be true. This is, you know,
like you said, it look is it a pinata or something,
you know, made out of paper mache that they it's well, I'm.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Not saying either way that I have any idea of
if they're real or not. But the one thing that
puts out red flags is however you pronounce it him
Massan or Jamie Massan. He is known for putting out
possible fraudulent mummies and evidence before, so it taints the

(14:18):
possibilities of what we could be looking at now. But
still there has been no definitive proof of anything. They're
supposedly doing tests and supposedly the Provian government denies their reel.
Then the Mexican government says they are real. I don't know.
There's a lot of malarkey going on behind the whole thing,

(14:38):
So I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens.
But I definitely don't trust anything that comes out of
our mainstream media when it comes to this.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yep, And that's you're right. They're trying to almost make
it seem like maybe it is real, but let's disprove
it so people don't know that. You just don't know
which way it's going. They just try to keep us
in the state of confusion, you know, Like I'm here,
it's the the UAP Task Force. They came out and
I forget the dues name. Who was ex Cia I believe,

(15:11):
and he's running this thing, you know, So that kind
of throws red flags up to me, you know. And why,
like you said two thousand and fourteen, you know, the
was it the Kennedy or the carrier? You know, the
tic TAC video and yeah, both video and all that.

(15:31):
Why would they all of a sudden release that, you know,
and then go through these hearings and say, well, yeah,
it's something, but we just don't know what it is.
To me, when they do that, it's almost like they're saying,
if you give us more money, we'll try to, you know,
do a better job of finding out what it is.
But as we know, they're just taking money and giving
it everywhere except here.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
So well, that's unfortunately what the a huge portion of
the UFO research community has become about. And it hurts
me to say that, but it's it's become about money
and the almighty dollar and making a good revenue off
of a story and without any valid proof of the

(16:12):
story are without any real evidence of anything that's being
put forward, which it's always been like that in the
UFO but community. But now since the government is approving
UFOs and extraterrestrials, it's ten times the possibilities of cash
flow and revenue you could make by jumping on the

(16:34):
UFO and ET bandwagon nowadays. So you have to be
cautious of who is who is supporting some of the
some of this information that's coming out and what they're
really behind. So it's something that I am very interested in.
I want to keep a close eye on. And I
understand you've had some UFO sightings yourself, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, over so, I've had three. One was in the
early eighties. Me and my girlfriend were parked on a
back road. It was a dirt road out in the woods. Yeah,
I'm very familiar with the road and everything in the area.
And it just lit up blue behind us, and then

(17:18):
the sides of each side of the road lit up blue,
and it was an orb in the woods. I got
the car started and I started driving, and it stayed
alongside us the whole way down this road. And I'm
going like fifty sixty miles an hour now and his
blue orb is just keeping up in the trees as

(17:38):
we're going until I got to the end of the
dirt road and you know, I was able to then
speed up from that point. But you know that was
here is standing up on the back of my neck
and everything. When it first came on, it was very strange.
But and then I've had about a year ago. I
went outside and it looked like a tear in the sky.

(18:01):
It was just a straight blue light up in the sky.
Wasn't real high up either, and then it had like
one bright another bright circle at the end, so to speak. Unfortunately,
didn't have my camera on me went in to get
you know, by the time I got my wife to
come out, it was gone. But it was there for

(18:22):
a good twenty thirty seconds and it was so this
it was just this year, I think in January February,
I went outside and basically saw the same thing, but
this looked like it had structure to it. I got
a picture of it, but it's not very you know,
it's a light through all kirvy from not being able

(18:43):
to hold the camera study because I'm excited about it,
but I didn't get my son Aaron to come outside
and he saw it and he's like, well, that's just weird.
And he took a video, but he never showed it
to me, and he said he erased it for whatever reason.
But so my wife happened to look it up and
she's saw on Facebook they said it was a SpaceX

(19:04):
launch and people in California saw it. Well, I live
on the other coast and it's eight o'clock in the evening.
There's no way people at five o'clock on the West
coast saw this thing. Like I said, neither one of them.
Both times I saw because it was very similar to
the one I saw before, they weren't very high in
the sky, and I swear this a lot. It looked

(19:25):
like it had structured around the lights, and it was
just I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing it
again sometime figure maybe i'll luck out.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Right now, I'm of the belief currently that much of
what we understand as UFOs and extraterrestrial contact is divided
into two main categories. One is that it is manufactured
or created by humans. Our military industrial complex has extreme

(19:58):
advanced technology that is a lot of what we're seeing
in the sky, and unfortunately what some people are experiencing
when it comes to abduction. I am of the belief
that there is military black projects involved with abducting human beings,
and for whatever reason, there's experiments done, and it also

(20:24):
perpetuates the UFO agenda, the alien agenda that is occurring
in the mainstream right now. That is one side of things.
I've also had plenty of experiencers and people who have
been abducted come on the show to talk about some
of these things. And then the other side is the
more metaphysical, spiritual paranormal side that cannot be physically touched.

(20:49):
It usually occurs in astral states or dream states, and
much of it is very benevolent and has much of
a different feel than the other side of the more
technological human hybridization side where military is involved. The other
side seems to be more of a spiritual phenomena and

(21:11):
definitely more non physical. But in modern times, we've mismatched
both of these experiences and turned it into something that
nobody understands because I think we're combining things that shouldn't
be combined together.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I'm not saying there aren't physical aliens out there that
come visit us from other planets. That's possible, but based
on my understanding and my experiences and everyone that I've
spoken to so far, this is the way I see
it broken down. And I want to get your thoughts
on that.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, I think a majority of it is a military
aircraft or you know where we want to call them objects,
you know, technology, But I think you know, you go
back to the eighteen hundreds where there was one that
crashed in Texas before there was any kind of flying balloons,

(22:03):
you know, any flying vessels of any type, you know,
and it crashed there and supposedly they recovered the body
and buried in an unmarked grave. So things like that,
you got a kind of question. You know, it's that
couldn't have been military technology at that point, you know,
and you got, you know, ancient aliens, which I used
to really enjoy that show when I was a kid.

(22:25):
I read, you know, Chariots of the Gods and you
know some of those books. And now I think they,
you know, it's entertainment. They're making money on it, Like
you know, how long has that been on for now,
like fifteen sixteen years?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, over a decade.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, and you know it's they always say, you know,
show you something and go is this proof of alien technology?
And they always say yes. I haven't heard them say
no to anything yet, so you know, it's very much
sensationalism as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, you know, unfortunately
it was. I really enjoyed that program when it first started.
But yeah, I could see where there's two different thing. Again,

(23:05):
it's it's stuff. Somebody sees one thing, you know, and
you see a military aircraft that you can't identify. Like
I said, then they all get intertwined together. You know,
we're drones now and ever and then and but that's
the other thing, you know, and that you know, people say, well,
why do they call them UAPs now instead of the UFOs?

(23:27):
I said, well, my understanding is so if you file
a Foyer request and you write down UFO, you're not
getting the UAP stuff since they change the name. So
just kind of that way of bring it up. So
remember a couple of months ago when they had the
Chinese weather or spy balloons going over Yeah, well I

(23:47):
happened to see one day that there was a headline
I forget what paper was in, but UFOs over US,
and why didn't they not call it UAP. Then it's
because they wanted to get everybody's attention to detray them
from something something else. So now it is it has
just become a huge distraction. But as far as actual
you know, I've heard stories, not stories, but that when

(24:11):
there's UFOs, that there's something with people are also able
to communicate with their past loved ones, you know. So
some people wonder if, you know, is it that the
spiritual aspect of it, is that our energy that goes
on is they're not really you know, UFOs, they're from here,
maybe interdimensional or something. I mean, is it something that

(24:34):
we you know, we won't find out until we've passed
or you know, or how do we know we haven't
already passed and you know, and you're just carrying on
in a different dimension. It's very confusing.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, Another thing I wonder about is the power of
our own consciousness and thoughts if in a way we've
been creating the alien and UFO phenomena as an aggregor,
as an energy that we've been putting out. The more
we have collective experiences, the more Hollywood shows us what
UFOs and aliens are, the more literature tries to explain

(25:13):
what aliens are. They're really based off of very few experiences.
Like you said, they had a couple in the eighteen hundreds,
and then we have your Betty and Barney Hill experiences,
then your Whitley Striebers. The communion comes out, and it
all builds into the human consciousness, and then more and
more more people start to experience these things, and most

(25:36):
of the experiences seem dream like or etheric, are astral.
Like I said earlier, the only physical things that we
can really see are the nuts and bolts craft that
we claim we have off planet bodies, and we have
off planet craft that we have in our possession, in
the military's possession. But yet the public has no no

(26:00):
physical proof of any of this unless you've been involved
with some of these black projects. So it's very it's
very convoluted, it's very hard to tell what the truth is.
But I think that this is multi layered. I think
there's something to the UFO extraterrestrial phenomena that connects to
free energy, that connects to the technological side, But I

(26:23):
don't think we're supposed to know about it right now,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
When I was in a Navy. I was on a
carrier and I worked on F eighteens, A six's and
different aircraft. So this is back in the early eighties.
I got out of the Navy. One of my first jobs,
I was working at an airline, small regional airline, and
I was talking to one of the mechanics there one
day and he was out of the Air Force, and

(26:49):
we're kind of just talking about different things. He said,
I wish I could have told you about some of
the stuff I worked on, you know, some of the
aircraft that I worked on. So right away my mind
goes to, you know, did he work area fifty one,
because that was just about the time you were starting
to hear about that. But then the next thing was
then the Gulf War starts, and that's when they bought
out the stealth aircraft. The first one was the b

(27:12):
B two and the F one seventeen. So maybe that
more than likely that's what he was talking about. That's
probably what he worked on, you know. So right away,
but like I said, you know, my mind jumps to
he was working on UFOs, you know, And so now
if he's at that time, if you had seen an
F wasn't seventeen go over. It's like the the black triangles,

(27:34):
which they say, are that the Aurora? No, if they
you know, they show you all the stealth aircraft now,
so you know they got something better. You know, that's
definitely yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
If you think about it, those stealth aircraft were probably
being developed decades before we started seeing them and even tested.
So if they were being tested decades ago, the of
course they would have been mistaken for alien craft in UFOs.
And we have no idea how advanced our military industrial
technology is. Some say fifty, some say one hundred, some

(28:06):
say more than one hundred years ahead of anything we
could understand now. So if that is the case, and
they've been developing these for fifty plus years, the technology
that we have that our military and three letter agencies
are in possession of blows away anything that we could understand,
and we could easily be fooled by what they roll

(28:31):
out as and call UFOs yep r UAPs.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And you know, and the funny thing about that is,
you know, sometimes I look, you know, the moon landings,
are they were they did they actually go? You know,
I always say yes, I hope that they did, because otherwise,
you know what do they do with all that money.
But then again, they had all that money, we should
have escalators going to the moon by now. I mean,
you know, it's hard to believe they went through all

(28:56):
that and we got nothing out of it. And so
I don't know what to believe on that one either.
But so maybe they took all that money and funneled
it into something else. The Moon. You know, they wanted
to beat the Russians there, so they say, well, hey,
look look what we did. You can't do this. Find
out we can't do it either, you know. So now
they got all this money, and that's maybe they did.
They developed way more futuristic stuff than what you know

(29:19):
they're actually showing.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, it's very interesting and also the predictive programming from
Hollywood and all the movies and TV shows we've watched.
I just recently watched the last two episodes of The
X Files, and some of the things that were shown
in those episodes that were that came out in twenty
sixteen very eerily portrayed some of the events that we

(29:47):
recently experienced with COVID and the pandemic and the possibilities
that were floating around in the conspiracy that could possibly
behind the JAB and the vacs and things like that.
So we've seen this since the dawning of Hollywood, that
we've been shown what reality is in different ways or
another so that we can dismiss it. They make it

(30:10):
so incredible and fantastic in the Hollywood realm that we
won't believe it's real. Things like Star Wars and Star
Trek and all the outer space adventures and even the
government corruption and black ops movies that we've seen have
been so real but yet so far fetched in some

(30:32):
ways that we dismiss it and we don't think that
that could be our reality.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
There. Last week when at Free World New York, Wayne
mccroy did his presentation, you know, and he does all
the symbolism and all that stuff, and it well, it
was amazing. A couple of parts he had there. One
of them was the dancing nurses from the had this

(31:00):
and it was an early two thousands Olympic opening ceremony.
It was the weirdest thing. It's like, why would you
have that in the Olympics, had nothing to do with sports,
you know, and had like death chasing these little kids
through oh yeah, yea, yeah, I mean just it's so weird.
But you talk about predictive program. But then there was
a clip from I think it was Captain America and

(31:24):
Captain America runs out in the Times Square and they
got the you know, the huge billboards that they have
up there, and he's one of them has a Corona
beer and the other one had the ball that we
all see for you know that represents the Corona virus
with the little spikes on it. Yeah, and that was
twenty eleven. Yeah, I mean it amazing. It just it

(31:48):
just changes, you know, my whole perspective on you know,
predictive program. I never thought, but is it like back
when they used to tell you that the movies would
put up like a quick flash popcorn, a quick flash
to soda, so you go buy popcorn. Subliminal messaging and
preparing your mind for all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I think there's a combination of a lot of things.
I think that a part of it is just human
creativity and us tapping in to the information that surrounds
us at all times. I believe we can tap into press, past, present,
and future information. That's a small part of it, I believe,
or a big part of it. I do also believe
that there are big shot Hollywood producers and people involved

(32:33):
with Hollywood. We know, the CIA and Hollywood has been
pretty much in a marriage since the dawning of Hollywood.
They share information for both movies and to put out
to the media for our reality, for our ingestion. So
there's that marriage. So we we definitely have information coming

(32:55):
from and being shared into both realms, into both worlds.
There are a few things going on with Hollywood that's
very interesting, and I do believe there are some very
deep occult aspects that are weaved in somehow that I
don't completely understand, but there's evidence that there is a

(33:15):
lot of ritualistic aspects that go into Hollywood production.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, I believe that. I mean, it's just it's you said,
with the CIA involved in it and whoever else, you know,
you can put this stuff out and just in the
people's minds and it's huge, you know, they said, you
know when originally, you know, TV was their first start.

(33:41):
So the TV came out and not in a lot
of homes, but probably I think in the mid forties
because they were thirty six that they had it in Germany.
But again, you know, not a lot of people had TV,
but they had the ability to broadcast it. And then
you know, so now you step up and everybody's got
a TV, and you know, they get a little bit better.
You go from black and white to color, and now

(34:03):
they can put stuff out there. You know, you're sitting
in front of the TV and they're just telling you know,
the news even is you know, is an excellent point
of that. And then he gets into the movies and
now it's you know, everybody's sitting in front of the
screen all day long, whether it's their phone or computer,
just the social media and everything and just constantly bombarded

(34:24):
with all kinds of stuff. And you know, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Can definitely see the effects that social media has had,
especially on the younger generation.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, so what's to say, what the what the if
there's subliminal messaging in that too, or you know, or
mind control type stuff MK ultra type stuff that they're
putting in.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So it's I don't think a Hollywood their marriage was
the strongest during the era of those MK ultra experiments,
not to say that it's any less strong today, but
Hollywood is kind of crumbling in some ways, which is
in some ways very exciting to see. But that's a

(35:05):
totally different story. Now I want to jump back into
the paranormal realms. I know you've had a few unexplained experiences.
I'd love to hear about those.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, I told you about my daughter when she was
about three, and we would The first time it happened,
we were driving and we had a little mini van,
and we pulled up at a stop light and it
was across from the cemetery. You know, we're just sitting
there and all of a sudden, she starts talking about, Hey,
look at all the people, you know. You know, she

(35:38):
said it a couple of times, and finally me and
my wife said, what was she talking about? And there's
a cemetery. It's kind of like, well, that's just kind
of weird. But we didn't say anything, you know, we
didn't like, you know, freak out about it. Didn't really
say anything until she started doing it every time, you know,
almost every time we'd pass the cemetery, she would bring
it up. Oh look at that, you know. And in
my town is a revolutionary war town, and Hill was there,

(36:01):
and so there is some cemeteries that are overgrown, you know,
the headstones and everything. And you could drive down the
road and she would still say that without even being
able to see the headstones. So and when I talked
about it last time, the one thing I forgot about
was So my wife's mother had passed away when my
wife was like fifteen, and her family was from Nova Scotia,

(36:24):
and we used to go up there a couple times
a year or so. So we went up there and
we were going up to the cemetery to visit her
mom's grave, and my wife is up ahead of blessing
Me and my daughter were walking along going up the hill,
and she just didn't occur to me when she was
saying it at the time. But they're just pretend ghosts.
They're just pretend ghosts all the way through the cemetery.

(36:48):
So afterward I started, huh, I wonder what she was seeing.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
But yeah, I think kids, children and very young adolescens
can sometimes tap into those because I've heard different theories
that some believe that it's because they're still so close
to source. Especially if you were a toddler or just
recently come into this realm, this incarnation, you're going to

(37:17):
be more tapped into the spiritual realms, right.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, and nobody's told you that you're not supposed to
be able to perceive this stuff. Yeah, and so it's
just taken out away from your childhood at that point,
you know. But there was, you know, a couple other times.
So I happened to be talking to my wife about
it after you and I talked the last time, and

(37:42):
I said, you know, you forgot. We used to live
in my parents a two family house, and my grandmother
and my great aunt used to live downstairs, and they
had both passed away, and me and my wife are
between houses, and so we had moved in there for
a while and my wife because I was on the road,

(38:03):
and my wife was telling me when I got home,
she says, you know, she had a flashlight. My daughter
had a flashlight, went over into the corner and was
talking to somebody. So my wife went over and asked.
He said, well, who are you talking to? She says
the man, And my wife's like, who's the man? She goes,
just the man in my way, says he good or bad?

(38:23):
She said, oh, he's bad. If my wife doesn't remember that,
I'm like, how can you not remember that? I mean,
that would be something that should be you know, stuck
in your mind. But we had toys go off, like
in the toy boxes and stuff that would just you know,
out randomly, you know, not packed in there or nothing,
just you know, in the middle of the night, you'd

(38:44):
be walking by and something would just say something to
you know, it was a I think it was a
big bird dollar or something that would go peka boo.
You know, hey, if it was an accident, it's still
creepy enough. But but my my grandmother had asked away
in the house and my grade hunt and one of
the things my grandmother would always do whenever you'd walk

(39:05):
in the house, she was either washing the dishes or
sweeping the floor. So my wife was telling me she
was in the kitchen sweeping up one day and she
was backing up and she bumped into somebody and she
thought for sure it was me. Turned around, there was
nobody there, she said, But it was not bumping into
a table. It was it was I bumped into somebody.

(39:26):
It's probably my grandmother, because that's what she's probably telling you.
You're not doing a very good job sweeping. But yeah,
it's it's it's it's interesting when you when something like that.
I saw a shadow figure in an old hotel in
Fort Wayne, Indiana. Coming down the hallway, I'm going in
the opposite direction, and there's just a shadow walking along

(39:49):
the hallway with no person, And I had never heard
I had interest.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, I've heard some interesting theories that I want to
get back into that in a second. I just want
to get your thoughts on these possibilities that what we're
seeing with these entities, shadow people, or even what seems
to be spirits that show up in certain ways and
even communicate with this, that maybe it could be some

(40:20):
sort of bleed through. If time is occurring, if all
timelines are occurring at the same time, and past, present,
future is also occurring at the same time, would it
be possible if we could be seeing a glimpse of
the past or the future, that these perceived spirits are
just bleeding through the timelines. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, I mean I would agree with something like that.
The podcast we did this weekend on time Travel, I
had a bunch of clips, you know, that I got
from YouTube and stuff, and yeah, you can tell a
lot of them are just some kind of camera glitch,
but there's a couple of them where you know, a
car is driving to an intersection, all a sudden, this

(41:03):
car paars amount of nowhere, you know, right in front
of it. And that's what I started thinking, is that
just it's the timeline's crossing that you know, a timeline
or you know, the dimensions one opens up all of
a sudden and something just comes through, and you know,
because you can't, you can't dismiss all of them, you know,

(41:23):
as a camera flitch or something, especially when the intersections
full and the guy who's right, you know, making a
left turn and all of a sudden, this car disappears.
That wasn't on the other side of the intersection at
the time. It's definitely, I mean, it wasn't it wasn't
computer generated or anything. You know, it wasn't somebody just
making something phony. If they did, they did a really
good job. I'll give them that much credit. But you know,

(41:46):
usually most of them, you can tell is when they're faked.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
But yeah, the only the only thing that I can
watch now that I really give credence to is some
of the independent docum mentories that are coming out revolving
around experiencers that I personally know, and even on the
History channel's done a great job with Chris bledso lately

(42:10):
covering some of his experiences and actually catching anomalous orbs
and unexplained phenomena and lights and even at times entities.
So I think that this is a game changer with
some of these folks who have these incredible experiences, like
the Bledsoe family, that are allowing these film crews to

(42:33):
follow them around and do experiments with them and actually
have results. It's really some of the first time we've
ever seen any results like this coming out of this.
Most of the time when we've tried to apply science
to the paranormal, it's always five to ten steps ahead
of us, and it now we're seemingly being able to

(42:56):
understand more spiritual aspects combined with at the science and
getting different types or of the results like we've been
seeing and like some of my friends have been doing,
like Ryan Burns out at Skinwalker Ranch, applying different scientific
technology to spiritual techniques and getting very interesting results. So

(43:18):
I think we're headed into an interesting era when it
comes to paranormal discovery, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, you know. And that's the good thing about it,
because it used to just be you know, people just
you know, I thought it was crazy. You know, and
just never nobody ever got involved in it other than
the people you know that the few handful of people
that would investigate you know, ghost things or whatever paranormal activity.
But as far as you know, science and nobody got involved.

(43:47):
They didn't want anything to do with it because they
were afraid, you know, they look like they were crazy
or something, or there's very few Hans Holzer, you know,
maybe did some serious investigations that the Hulser files was
on recently well actly a couple of years ago now,
but you know, but now they said if they can
get science involved in it, that you know, and come

(44:07):
at from a scientific aspect, which helps them debunk a
lot of stuff. Skinwalker Ranch. I like that one. I mean,
you know, there's apparently a lot of amazing stuff going
on out there. I'm sure some of it is probably
over exaggerated maybe a little bit, but there's definitely stuff.

(44:27):
I mean, it's happened to enough people out there now.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
What concerns me about the events at Skinwalker Ranch is
the known military and black projects that are still ongoing there.
So it is very difficult to tell what is an
experiment being done by our military or some three letter
agency or some aerospace company that we don't know about

(44:51):
and what is a genuine anomalous event. So it's very
difficult for areas like that, and they're growing areas that
are becoming like Skinwalker Ranch, that aerospace companies are becoming
interested in and doing more experiments on anomalous events and
the metaphysical properties that they're finding there. So it is

(45:15):
very interesting, and I think that we need to exercise
caution into who and what companies and aerospace entities that
we're allowing ourselves to do business with and to sign
contracts with. But it is exciting if the right people
are involved. And most likely, when I say the right people,
it's not our military industrial complex, it's not any three

(45:38):
letter agencies. It's independent interests that are using their own
funding to find out what is going on, that have
a better interest than some of those other entities that
I just mentioned. So it's exciting times right now for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I mean, when you know it's skin and Walker Ranch,
and you know you're talking about the government aides in
the aerospace industry and all that, that's the night start
to wonder if they're you know, you've heard about Eisenhower
supposedly making a deal with aliens. Yeah, it makes you
makes me wonder if if that's not what they're doing.
And you know, because people say that there's an alien

(46:15):
base there and they're working hand in hand with humans,
that far from you know, far from being true, which one.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Of those things that I've come to believe. We probably
won't have any definitive proof until collectively enough people are ready.
I think there's some force or some entity or some
energy even that is preventing a a solid yes or

(46:46):
no answer for humanity on what is happening with the
the other side, what is happening with paranormal realms, what
is happening with extraterrestrials. I don't know that cosmically humanity
collectively is ready for that answer, and possibly won't be
until we get that definitive answer, which may not come

(47:08):
until we are ready. So that's just where I'm at
currently with my theory as to why we have not
had any definitive proof because most of the so called
proof that's come out lately has unfortunately holes in it
and is being disproven in some way or another. And
if it's not disproven yet, there are too many questions

(47:30):
and way more questions than answers about anything.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Do you think it's more of a collective understanding, then
it's possible.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It's possible that could be why up until this time,
we have never had any real definitive proof. Extraterrestrials haven't
landed on the White House lawn and introduced themselves to us.
We haven't seen collectively a major paranormal or unexplained event.

(47:58):
We see it individually, we see in small pockets, and
it's starting to be broadcast on a larger scale, but
not on a definitive one. We can still be deceived
by those that are putting the information forward. There's only
so much that we can prove through a television screen.
So I believe until we have a collective event that

(48:20):
really shows that this that there is something more than
our material reality, then it won't happen until that moment happens,
And that moment may not happen until collectively we are
energetically ready. And that's just that's just a gut feeling
and a theory that I have.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Oh that goes to the the thing that I starting
to believe is, you know, you won't if you don't
believe in the paranormal. You'll never see a ghosts, right,
if you don't believe in UFOs, you're never going to
see one, you know, because you're always just going it's
just lights or you know, and you're not looking, you know.
Whereas when I when I ragu outside, I like the

(48:59):
look come, you know when you know, not while I'm walking,
but you know, go out in the yard and just
look up and at nighttime and you know, look at
the stars and stuff and you see some stuff. Maybe
that's how I've seen two go over my house and
you know, the other one I wasn't looking for. So
but you know, once that, once I had seen that one,

(49:20):
that's when I started getting, you know, very interested in it.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
But my follower, once you start down these paths, you
can't turn around. I mean, once you start looking into
the unknown and what's really the truth, and once you
start finding little bits and pieces, there's really no turning.
I've never met anyone who started to get really deep
into some of these topics and just became uninterested and
gave up.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You know. Yeah, I don't know how you can become
uninterested in it. I mean, you know, you might tell
people now, you know, I don't listen to anymore. But
I guarantee you still do have the interest in it.
You just don't want your friends to know that you're
you know. But I think there's more and more people
nowadays that are interested in it. You know. It's not
just a little fringe segment of the population again because

(50:05):
people were worried that they'd be told that they're crazy
or something. But I think there's just more. My father,
you know, he saw UFO, so he believes in that,
but I don't think he ever really believe and goes.
But we never talked about it when we were kids
or anything like that. But after my mother passed away,
he was telling me he goes, you know, he says

(50:26):
pretty much every sing the same time every Saturday morning,
you hear footsteps on the stairs coming up the door
open into the house and close. Not physically, but he
would hear it. And I don't that's a residual haunting.
And that's what you're talking about before. Is it bleeding
through from But you know, it would happen like I
don't know, I don't think it's happening anymore, you know,

(50:48):
But it wasn't like constant. It was just like, you know,
every couple of Saturdays you would hear. But then again,
if you're not listening for it, you're not going to
hear it either. And when we lived in that same house,
we had a a dog I had for fifteen years,
and he wore choke collar, you know, so whenever he
slept in the basement, you know, so whenever he'd run

(51:09):
through the basement, you hear the chain for weeks after
he was gone. And my wife would hear it too,
You would hear his collar going on. Wow. So yeah,
that's again, if you're not open to it, you probably
won't you know, or you're just gonna go you know,
it's probably the furnace or something making up a weird noise.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
But now, we mentioned time travel a few times through
this show already, and you said, you recently just did
a show on time travel. What do you think about
some of the possibilities. I had a great guest on
Mike Ricksecker who just wrote a book about time travel,
and he believes that the key to time travel is
not through technology, but going within through meditation and consciousness

(51:51):
exploration experiences, and that we can have a spiritual kind
of technology in that way that we can time travel.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I believe that. I mean I used to have dreams
that were very you know, premonitions. So is that the
same thing time traveling? And you know, because you're you're
very relaxed, you're sleeping, and it used to happen very frequently,
and just since probably twenty twenty, nineteen twenty twenty, I

(52:23):
haven't had that, but it used to be like, not constantly,
but quite a bit, you know. So is that, you know,
look at the remote remote viewers, you know, if you
believe in that, I mean, that's got to be close
to time travel, you know, or I guess that's more
of an outer body experience at that point, but is

(52:46):
an our body experience time travel too.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I think that there's connections with all of that. I
think our dreams could be a form of time travel.
Astral experiences, meditative experiences, and hypno experiences, all even psychedelic
experiences where our consciousness has the ability to in a
sense travel. I think that we can achieve what we

(53:13):
understand as time travel. And I also believe that because
time isn't linear, it's more like possibly the pages of
a book, where everything is there it always has been there,
it always will be there. We just have to turn
the page to access a certain portion of time. I
think we can do that by going within ourselves.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And you know, through consciousness. It would make more sense
because part of our discussion on the show was, you know,
if you went physically, you know, and they say if
you changed one thing, it would alter you know, maybe
you're never born now, So how could you go back
further than you be being born, because now you might

(53:54):
not be born. But if you do it, you know,
if through consciousness you can't alter something physical that way.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
My favorite one is the possibility that there is physical
time travel that has been created in our perceivable future,
and what we're experiencing now is aliens and extraterrestrial visits
are actually us from the future coming back to warn ourselves,
warn ourselves, maybe against transhumanism. Don't cut off your private parts,

(54:24):
you won't like it later. Don't keep altering yourselves. You're
going to turn into this ugly grave motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So or possibility.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Nuclear war or you know, we had to wear a
mask for so long, so we have no nose or
you know, no nostrils or whatever. So yeah, I mean,
who knows it's.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, that's that's one of my favorite possibilities.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I have thought of that, you know before too with
the you know, because a lot of people bring that up.
You know, maybe the aliens are us time traveling back.
But then wouldn't they go back far enough to alter
something so that it would never happen a that point,
Or maybe.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
It could be possible that they can't alter anything, like
you were saying, If they do that, it will cause
detrimental changes. Maybe they just have to excuse me, whisper
in our ear and have us change and affect our
reality ourselves. And honestly, I think that's how it works
with the spiritual world and our reality in general, that

(55:25):
we have free will, but the negative forces and energies
can't change our reality themselves. They can't make because this
is a creative realm, I believe, and we are creator
beings and these negative vibrational these these lower vibrational entities
cannot create as as us humans do. So the only

(55:46):
way they can do so is by whispering things in
our ear and having us do negative and low vibrational
practices to in turn create a more negative reality. And
I think that's where we're at now. I think that's
how we've become collectively as we are as a humans,
is we've been manipulated by these lower energetic forces for

(56:13):
thousands of years trying to get They've been trying to
create their own reality, but the only way they can
do it is through us. So the negative spiritual influences,
that's where that comes in. But if we can tune
into our higher selves, our own purpose, our true purpose,
and ignore some of those lower vibrational influences, that's the

(56:36):
key to get back to getting back to being a
true creator being.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I don't know. I just I just I can't tie
it to the time travel thing, you know, I think, oh.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah, well, not necessarily has to be tied to time travel,
just a possibility as our reality is for what we
interact with on a daily basis and what we have
to be aware of that there could be negative spiritual
forces influencing us in some ways.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Well yeah, so that's you know, this is one of
the things I've just started to come around to in
the past year or so because I was you know,
I was raised Catholic. I just never really you know,
once I graduated high school, I just kind of left
religion behind. I never you know, I don't begrudge anybody
that believes in their religion, you know. I think everybody

(57:33):
has to have some kind of faith in something. But
I have more of, you know, just a spiritual thing,
just kind of I know there's something there. I don't
know what, but you know, since I've been paying attention
to what they're doing, you know, and now you know,
people mention the Book of Revelations and all this, and
I really start to think that there is more to
just demonic spirits and stuff like that. Again, because as

(57:56):
we're talking about at the beginning, I don't believe that
people would treat people like this. They're total evil intention,
you know. But that's the thing where I'm still looking.
Is it something spiritual, you know, from Hell, you know,
something demonic, or is it something from you know, an
aliens that are, like I said, trying to terriform the

(58:18):
planet or are they the same there's you know, some
people that believe that aliens are actually demons.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
I think I'm personally just believe that evil is evil,
whether it's what we understand is physical extraterrestrials or etheric demons,
that there is spiritual energy that is negative that can
cause humans to do terrible and awful things that they

(58:48):
wouldn't otherwise do, and that these forces have an influence,
and we try to put these forces into different boxes
to understand them like extraterrestrial demons. I believe in reality
is it's just a lower vibrational energy or intelligence that
latches on to us to have a human experience, but

(59:13):
have their own type of human experience.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
And I think.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That that is where we're at now. I look back
to my childhood that started out in Christianity and theology,
but I had I was terrified of it because of
the way it was portrayed through our modern belief system.
But the more I come to understand that it is
nothing like we were shown as children growing up in

(59:38):
Catholic or Christian schools. That there is just this loving
force that we need to gravitate towards as opposed to
this adversarial evil force that we need to try and avoid.
And it's that simple. And if more people could grasp
that simple concept of good and evil and to gravitate

(01:00:03):
towards what is good, we would have a better spiritual
understanding of what is happening altogether. But the realm we
live in now, I believe spirituality is being extinguished. They
are attempting to get rid of all aspects of what
is spiritual so that we will not have a line
of what good and evil is. Traditionally, that's how traditionally

(01:00:26):
humans knew if things basically were good and evil, they
had this spiritual belief system. If they take away spirituality
and introduce all the insanity that we've been seeing lately
with the sexualization of children, the wars, the destruction, the evil,
the evil ideologies, the pedophilia, all these things that were

(01:00:48):
being introduced to and told that it's normal and okay.
That is destroying a line of spiritual belief that we
thrived on and that we use as humanity to keep
from going to crossing over too far into that evil realm.
And I believe that's what's happening these days, and that's
what's been happening, But it's building to something more.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And I can see that. And you know, I always figure,
you know, a lot of the Bible is more like
the owner's manual for your car. You know, you get
the Bible, you read it, and this tells you I
shouldn't murder my neighbor. I shouldn't do this, I shouldn't
do that. With the stories that I tell you, you
know why, And again, you know, now I start to

(01:01:33):
see stuff happening, and I kind of it's opening my eyes.
As far as you know, I never said I never
felt there wasn't something evil. I just didn't know what
it was because I know, you know, people just some
of you know, serial killers go out and just kill
people for whatever, you know, whatever reason. I mean, that's evil.
I but what actually causes that, you know, is But

(01:01:54):
you know, the more I learned, I start to think
that maybe there is something, like you said, something that's
just trying to change society and your whole you know
talk there that you just gave about, you know, just
trying to make things normal that aren't normal and you know,
telling people you know, so yeah, it's you look at
you know, during the COVID or people can't go to church.

(01:02:18):
So yeah, now you're you're starting right there with you know, okay,
you know, and there's just in the past couple of years,
there's been a lot of stuff. I mean, you know,
even the Vatican. You look at what's going on there
is the new pope, you know, not as religious or

(01:02:39):
not not as good, because he seems to be changing
stuff up for you know, like just taking down the
old ways, you know, like you said, you know, blending
the lines between good and evil.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
It's so interesting. And there's also the alternate belief that
everything that is occurring is ultimately to evolve humanity. It
all has to happen in a certain way for humanity evolved.
The good can't exist without the evil. Those evil players
are part of a program to evolve humanity. If you
look at it like this is some sort of simulated reality,

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which brings me to the next thing that I'd like
to get your insights on. Do you think that it's
possible that there are people, individuals that we interact with,
possibly on a daily basis, that may not have a
divine spark, that may not be what we understand as
a real, true human That could be some people are

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calling them MPCs or even walkins, that they may be
inhabited by just a nefarious entity and that is why
they are capable of things like murder and pedophilia and
all the horrible things that these people are capable of doing.
What do you think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's truth to that aspect
of stuff. Like you said, you see people during your
day that you just don't seem like they're involved in
humanity or something. You know, they're just not like you said,
are they just a placeholder or you know, But then
you see people like you know, I'm trying to think

(01:04:19):
the guy's name. He was the Russian guy that was
on Putin Chef that was going to overthrow you know,
you see pictures this guy. He doesn't look like the
person that they're trying to portray him to be. But
he doesn't look he just you know, where did this
guy come from? I mean, there's a couple other people
like a name off the top of my head, I
won't but I wonder where did this person come from? Suddenly?

(01:04:40):
And just I mean to be honest, I look at
pictures of Joe Biden. You know, when you get older
and you look at people as they age, and you
can still pick that person out. If you look at
Joe Biden now, the one who says he's Joe Biden
in forty there's no resemblance.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Yeah, that's that's definitely some some swapping of identities. Whether
it's just a double body double or even the possibility
of advanced technological masks that they're putting on. And some
people believe that they're clones. I don't know, but I
can definitely tell you it's not the same person every time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I really do not believe that. It's just the facial
structure is not anywhere near close. But you talk about
evil people, and now I think about Hunter Biden. Yeah,
there's a person there that you just got to wonder
what is off of you know, people say, well, you
know he's a drug addict. Well, I have known people
that you know, are drug addicts that you know, you know,
went to rehab and everything. They're not nothing like that guy.

(01:05:44):
And I know people that are on drugs that aren't
nothing like that guy. It's just I don't know. Maybe
they sold their souls. I mean, that's the one thing
I always say that these people that are you know,
the the technocrats, the thellionaires, whatever, you know, those are
the people that are in charge. The politicians are bought.

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So they've sold their souls. They don't care about humanity,
they don't care about us, you know, So maybe they
did sell out to that evil entity. Or that's who
they're working for. Yeah, there was an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie
about that. I can't remember the name of it, but
it was very similar to that. I have to look
that up. I just I only saw Time a while back.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Well, we're definitely in fascinating times, and Angus, I want
to thank you so much for coming on. I'm going
to start closing out my shows a little differently now.
I'm going to start asking my guests if they could
tell me any positive aspects of our current day reality unfolding.

(01:06:51):
What are some of the good things you see happening
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I think there is starting to be more people waking
up and deciding that they need to work together, you
know they. I think a lot of people are realizing
that our humanity and their you know, our kindness for
each other is starting to go away. I see people
being more helpful to people. Like I said, I'm in
the airport constantly, and up until recently, it was always

(01:07:18):
people just on their cell phones and just not caring
about anybody around them. And I started to see a
little bit more of people actually paying attention helping people,
you know, women. The other day at the airport, you know,
by yourself, like free suitcases, a kid, a stroller, and
somebody actually helped her, you know, and it's nice to

(01:07:38):
see that that somebody, you know, it wasn't me. I
didn't I wasn't gonna help her, but but no, I
did stuff like that. And I'm hoping that, you know,
you know that the pass of the long thing is
people see you do something and you and I think
people are really just starting to realize that, you know.
I know, even in my neighborhood, we have a small
neighborhood and it's a lot of young her families and

(01:08:00):
stuff now, but I see a lot more people getting
together actually talking, you know. And that's another thing with
the lockdowns. I think they just want people to stop
communicating with each other so you couldn't talk about with it,
you know, what was going on and what they're up to.
And I think people really don't care anymore. So I'm
hoping that when the lockdowns come back, because I think
they will, that people there'll be more of us rising

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up to go, no, it's not happening again because we can't.
We can't do it. As you know, just a handful
of people here and there. It's got to be a
mass rise up for people to say no one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
That's a great night. That's a great note. To close
everything out on, Angus, thank you again for coming on.
Before you go, let the audience how they can find
your podcast and all your content.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I am on Rumble. It's Angus Mustang Event Horizon. I
put it out like every couple of weeks. It's also
on YouTube under Angus Mustang and I co host Knights
of the Storm, which is on Rumble and that's on
every Saturday ten ten o'clock Eastern time in the Foxhole

(01:09:06):
occasionally which is on Thursday nights at eight o'clock Eastern time,
and hopefully excellent hopefully be going on Freeworld FM here
in the next couple months.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Oh right on, rack On man, Well, thank you so much.
Thank you for what you're doing. Keep it up. We
need more folks like you putting out the information and
creative energy in general. So thank you so much, and
until next time, everyone, have a wonderful eve. Today, I
want to welcome back to the show, Jay Widner and
writer Lee Jay is a renowned filmmaker, author, and scholar.

(01:09:42):
His body of work offers great insights into the circumstances
that have led to the current global crisis. He found
Sacred Mysteries together with his wife Sharon Rose Writer. Lee
is producer and host of Raised by Giants, which provides
a platform for research, spiritual teachers, authors, contactees, and experiencers

(01:10:04):
to come together and communicate their studies, observations, thoughts, ideas,
reflections and research, infusing them into common everyday knowledge with
new understandings of life and the universe. Jay Writer, welcome back.
How y'all doing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, man, thank you so much for joining us. I
really enjoyed the film. We're going to be discussing it
today jfk X. It brings new possible evidence to light,
which would mean that almost every mainstream conspiracy theory and
the mainstream theory about his death would be incorrect, and

(01:10:46):
that there is a conspiracy within a conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
In the film, Jay made some very interesting observations about
the zapruder footage based on his knowledge of filmmaking, which
now raises all of new questions is this is correct? Now,
We've got a lot to get into with this film
before we do. Jay, what brought you to make this
film and how did you get involved with writer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Well, the second question. First, a writer interviewed me for
his show and I and we struck up a friendship
through that. And what inspired the film was that accidentally
somebody loaded up Oliver Stone's super enhanced version of There's

(01:11:36):
a Bruder Film on YouTube about twenty eleven. Maybe I
can't really remember, but I was involved in researching and
I found it and I watched it, you know, like
like you'd taken each frame and really cleaned it up
and blew it up. And I saw the film clearly
for the first time, and because I've seen a lot

(01:11:58):
of junkie versions, but I've never seen and don't forget,
in the film Jak for which this film was made for,
he doesn't show the entire twenty eight second clip. He
just shows you little bits and pieces. So this is
really my first time I watching the entire zab Ruter
film with the clear, you know, very clear version of it,

(01:12:19):
and I saw everything that I talk about in the
film right there. I mean I watched it maybe fifteen times,
and then it disappeared off the internet and never came back,
and we never had a really clear version of Zabruder
film available, you know, and so, you know, writer and
I asked ourselves, what would happen if you know it

(01:12:42):
experienced filmmaker looked at a really clear version of the
Zubruder film, and since we couldn't find one, we realized
that there was this old, this technology that's emerging where
you could take old films and then restore them until
they look like they were shot on digital yesterday. And yeah,

(01:13:03):
so we watched the film through that kind of software
and then I relate what I see in there, and
then we bring in a bunch of other evidence to
back up what I'm saying, which is shocking and very
unusual and very much not in the mainstream of either

(01:13:24):
the government or the conspiracy line. But it does. It
does take into account the effect of organized crime and
the mafia on all the things that happened on November
twenty second, nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Right, Or anything to add about how you got involved with.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
This, well, me and jay I had interviewed Jake quite
a number of times before, and I brought him on
talking about something that was completely different than this. It
was interviewing him about his Stanley Kubrick films, like Kubrick's
Odyssey One and two. He made two of those, and
I had watched those several times and I wanted to

(01:14:09):
interview him about it, so I watched The Shining. I'm
sure everyone is familiar with Jay's theory that's been regurgitated
through the community, just like a bunch of other different
theories have been regurgitated through the community, and it's kind
of making a big rise again right now, which is
the faking of the moon landing by Stanley Kubrick. And
Jay was the one that created that whole theory. And

(01:14:30):
I just watched The Shining over and over and over
again every single day, and I didn't really find anything
new until the day before I was going to interview
him about it. I had found something that I thought
answered all the questions of the Shining, The Shining movie
directed by Stanley Kubrick, and I brought him on and

(01:14:51):
I was talking to him about it, and he was like, yeah,
I think this makes a lot of sense. So then
I hit him up a couple of months later and
I was like, Jay should really do a documentary about this.
And Jay's been in retirement for a while, so I
was like, yes, I'm gonna get Jay out of retirement. Here,
we're going to make a awesome, solid movie, you know,
surrounding my theory of what's going on, because it really

(01:15:12):
brings the entire movie together, and it doesn't discount his
theory about the moonlaning. It actually makes it even better. Right,
And so we started writing that, well, Jay started writing that,
and then we were like, oh, this is going to
take a lot of time and a lot of effort
and a lot of energy to make this shining film.

(01:15:34):
And yeah, of course money as well. So we were like, oh, well,
let's make a let's do like a trilogy, right, Let's
just break everything down within our society, and let's take
this back to the original conspiracy theory, because JFK is
the original conspiracy. That's where really all of these conspiracy

(01:15:56):
theories started popping up, was surrounding the JFKs fascination. And
I was already a familiar with Jes's theory on what
it happened to JFK on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
And we're like, well, let's let's just do a film
about the JFK assassination and then we'll just move it forward,

(01:16:17):
and we'll just keep moving it forward and We're going
to make three films. This is a first of three,
so there's two more in the pipeline ready to come out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Excellent, get done. Yeah, as soon as we get done
with the publicity for this one, we're gonna start on
the next one. And we should. Actually this is up
on Amazon Prime. We want to mention that too, So
it's cheap. It's less than two bucks. You know, you
can buy you can buy three lattes and watch it

(01:16:48):
five times. So the thing with the film that I
think makes it stand out is two things. Actually, one
is what we discover when we look at the group
of film. But also I think the way that it
was made, it really captured the chaotic time that that

(01:17:10):
event occurred, in which everybody thought the world was coming
unglued and that they were living in some kind of
Fellini movie. And I think that we really captured the
zeitgeist of that time period. I was just a little kid,
so I can't really say I remember much about it,
but I do remember my parents and my relatives and

(01:17:34):
all the grown ups just being filled with nothing but
angst and and you know terror. Really they were scared.
We didn't know what was going on, and so and
also what's funny about it is when I started writing
the movie, I was really worried that it wasn't even
going to get to be an hour. And I was

(01:17:56):
telling writer, Oh my god, we're going to have a
forty two minute movie. Nobody's going to pick it up,
because you know, they have certain links. I used to
be an acquisition at Gaya, and we had limits of
what you would take, right had to. You know, you
pay so much for this much, You pay so much
for this much, and you know forty two minutes is
coming in. You're not gonna you're not gonna bring much in.

(01:18:17):
So but we kept finding more and more incredible film
and adding it in. And Bobby Kennedy and his speech
is about how literally talking about the deep state. He
doesn't say deep state, but he's literally saying in nineteen
sixty two that this country being run by a government

(01:18:38):
controlled organized crime, which is the deep state. Just different
way to put it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Yeah, that's my favorite section of this movie. The well,
one of my favorite sections of the movie is we
have this whole in the very beginning, probably around ten
to fifteen minutes in, we have this whole section on
the mob and it turns out that RFK, which is
JFK's brother, really was going after the mob and not
a lot of people talk about that. When they're talking

(01:19:05):
about JFK and doing all this research on JFK, they
just kind of leave out RFK, right, But RFK was
even more charismatic than JFK was, which more of.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
A bulldog too. He was the bulldog, not JFK. JFK
was kind of a laid back kind of guy. I mean,
he was in the military and military intelligence and all that,
but his own personality was well. He was also suffering
from Madison's disease that might have had some effect. But
Bobby was the bulldog. And you know, it should be

(01:19:37):
pointed out that Bobby was appointed attorney General not by
JFK but by Joe Kennedy. JFK and Bobby were interviewing
people for attorney general after the election, and Joe walked
in the room and said, what are you doing. You've
got your attorney general right here, and JFK's, oh, that's nepotism.
I don't know if I want to do it. But

(01:19:58):
the more he thought about having somebody could really trust
that he knew it was a total bulldog raise bunched
in the face that he said, yeah, man, bring him on,
this is my guy. And I personally believe that Joe
Kennedy told OURFK to go after the Mob. I do
I think? I think. I think that Joe Kennedy and

(01:20:21):
Donald Trump share something in common. Both had dealings with
the Mob. Both came to realize that if the Mob
gets in control of the world, we're in seriously deep trouble.
And both, in their different ways, tried to undo the
mob influence in the United States, and both JFK and

(01:20:43):
Donald Trump utterly failed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Now you focus on on a few angles in this
film surrounding the assassination. One, like you just mentioned the
mob involvement, and I've had plenty of different JFK research
come on the show and give their different versions and
theories about what happened, and across the board, the Mob

(01:21:07):
is always involved, and with the Mob having the marriage
with the CIA, of course there's going to be involvement there.
But do you think that the primary reason for what
was to occur next with the so called assassination was
primarily because of his attack on the mob?

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Yeah, definitely. We say other theories in the film, but
the main emphasis is the mob. I think I don't
think I'm really a historian on the mob. Okay, it
was one of my favorite subjects, especially this time period
from nineteen forty to nineteen seventy. And the mob was

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one kind of mob in nineteen forty nine when Joe
Kennedy left it, but it was a completely different kind
of mob by n eighteen sixty when the Kennedys got in,
and that mob had become more secret, more willing to compromise,
and more willing to off people, but in a way

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that wasn't as obvious as before. So before the mob
thought it was really cool to come by and shoot
somebody in the head and the town in the middle
of the night, have them laying on the street, and
everybody sees it, right and get scared that the mob's
gonna kill them. But now they started suiciding people and
car accidents and throwing people off buildings and things to

(01:22:37):
make it more obscure as to what they were really
doing to hide their presence. And I don't think the
Kennedy brothers understood how vicious the organized crime had become
by the time they got elected in nineteen sixty one.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
And also we show in the film JFKIK Solving the
Crime of the Century, the FBI reques hoarding the informata,
which was Joseph Miltier and meal Tier is basically telling
this FBI informant that's undercover exactly how if you were

(01:23:15):
to assassinate the JFK, how he would do it. You
said that he would do it from one of these
office buildings. He said that he would take a high
powered rifle up there. He would break it down because
you could break it down and take it up there
and then unbreak it and bring it back down, and that, uh,
they would pick somebody up immediately after the assassination, because

(01:23:37):
the FBI and formant asked him, well, how would you
how would you get away with it? And he was like, oh, well,
they wouldn't suspect anything if they didn't actually know what
was going on, and that they would pick somebody up
minutes after it happened. And this was a month before
the supposed JFK assassination even happened, around a month before,

(01:23:59):
and that's exactly what happened, exactly what they did, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
And to emphasize what we're saying, in the film. The
FBI had to tell Kennedy about that recording. I mean
they had to. That's in the record. You know, the
FBI is under the President, that's who runs the FBI.
They had to have given Kennedy that recording. He knew
there was a hit out on him. He knew that

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the right wing groups that James Miltier represented were also
deeply associated with the Mob and the CIA, and so
he knew that these groups were kind of what James
Miltier represented is a three way marriage between the right
wing groups, the Mob, and the intelligence agencies. And Kennedy

(01:24:55):
had come to realize through that recording. I believe that
he was in serious, serious trouble and that he had
peed off everybody, and in a panic, he decided to
make a move that would save his family's life. Because
what people don't understand is that the mob doesn't kill you,

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that you know, if you really wrong. The mob really
wrong the mob and they thought because Kennedy's won the election,
because the Mob had turned Illinois, i e. Chicago over
in the nineteen sixty vote. So the Mob thought, hey,
we got a guy in the White House. Now that
owes us. You know, that's how the mob works. You

(01:25:39):
have favors and to get him back, and Kennedy's did
not pay the favor back. In fact, they could be
construed by the mob that they stabbed him in the back.
So so Kennedy had to find a way to not
just save his own life from being killed by the mob,
but he had to find a way to save his
family's life. Because when the mob comes at you when

(01:26:01):
you've really done them bad, you know, they kill your dog,
they kill your kids, they kill your wife, then they
kill you. So they really rub it in. And uh,
you know, this happens all the time. It just happened
recently in Canada with that old couple that got killed mysteriously.
They are billionaires. You can watch you can see somebody

(01:26:24):
somebody was killing their pets, you know, And it was
slow progression towards them until they got it too. And
so this is how they do. If you're really wrong them,
you're really gonna they're really gonna come after you. And
and this is one of the reasons why the mob
didn't like deny it. They weren't sure who did it,

(01:26:46):
and they're still not sure who did it in their mind,
but they didn't want to deny it because what power
that gave them to know that everyone in the country
thinks that they can assassinate the president of the United
States and the town square and get away with it.
And so they were perfectly fine with Citty, with whatever
the scenario really was.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Now, before we get into the possibility that Kennedy did
indeed know that there was a hit on him and
he was going to take action on that, you also
cover aspects of Oswald and his life that may not
be known to a lot of people, and some interesting

(01:27:28):
facts about what was going on that day with Oswald
without giving away too much. Would you be able to
tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Yeah, it's actually I can I can go. I'll go
a little further with the Oswald than I will the rest.
I don't want to be spoiler. I want you to
see it. Here's the thing. The explanation that we give
is a film, so you have to watch it. Stot,
you don't have your words. You want to watch the film.
It's a film, it's it's enhanced, it's a high quality
four K version. But what happened with Oswald is that

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you know he he clearly you know was ordered to
do stuff. He was clearly a spy. It served time
in Russia, he had a Russian wife. Russia was our
biggest enemy still is. And and he comes back and
everything's fine. He gets taken up by a guy named

(01:28:23):
George de Morsheld, who's a white Russian who is an
anti communist and a spy and a clearly Oswald who
can speak like four languages, is some kind of spy.
And he's been told to take a job at the
book depository. He doesn't know why. He's been told to
take a long package with him to that day to work,

(01:28:47):
so everybody can see him with this long package, you know,
like you can break the gun down, dude and put
in a little suitcase. You don't have to carry a
big package like this, and then tell everybody that they're
curtain rodgs. Way you're bringing curtain rods to work when
you stack books all day. So anyway, it was clear
that as soon as the commotion started, he knew something

(01:29:10):
was wrong, and he knew that he is probably the Patsy,
and he started, you know, went to the movie theaters
basically what he did. And he was then arrested for
the murder of JD. Tippett. JD. Tippett is a policeman
in the Dallas Police Force and his nickname on the

(01:29:31):
Dallas Police Force was JFK because he was a dead
ringer for JFK, the real JFK. And so we have
Oswald with a peculiar coincidence of killing two people supposedly
on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three in Dallas, Texas,
who look exactly like each other. What the incredible coincidences

(01:29:54):
is And there's nobody denying this. I mean, it's a
given fact that he looks like Kennedy. So then Oswald
is arrested and then absolutely show it in the film.
It's outrageous the publicly bring him into a press conference
without formal charges or anything. And you would never do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
You would never do that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
If you had a guy who was involved, possibly in
the murder of the President of the United States, he
would be kept in confinement where you would question him
and question him and question him until he falls down
almost dead, and then you would get him back up,
shake him and start questioning him again. But you wouldn't
bring him out and have the public look at him.
So even if that is bizarre. I've never even ever

(01:30:41):
seen anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
That was for the public to drop the charges on
him about the JFK assassination. That's right, That was the
Swede public opinion. Because Oswald was never arrested or even
charged with the murder of the President of the United States,
was charged for the murder of JD. Tippett, which was
a police officer that looked identical to JFK. Right, and

(01:31:08):
then they traded him around in the public, and then
they made the public think that it was their idea
that he also killed JFK as well. And then he
is shot by Ruby before he can ever you know,
get any defense or ever go a trial for the
murder or ever even get any charges for the murder

(01:31:28):
of JFK. So he died without ever revealing his secrets,
and then Ruby. There's a lot of information about Ruby
basically going out of his mind in the jail cell,
and then he dies of cancer later on as well.
We never reveal his side of the story either, and
we have Ruby in the film talking about that these

(01:31:49):
people that made him do it are in very high
places that they that people will never know the truth
surrounding his circumstances and the reason why he killed and
shot Oswald.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Something's going also, And also they did the Dallas did
a paraffine test on Oswald's arm and face and neck
that day. And what you do is you brow paraffin
on it and it picks up traces of gunpowder. You
put the paraffine under a microscope, you see if there's
gunpowder embedded in the paraffin, right, And there was no
gunpowder on his face or his next just there was

(01:32:28):
some here, but that could be from the books that
he was working with. So Oswald never fired a rifle.
Even the Dallas police know that. The Warren Commission knows
that Oswald never fired a rifle, which brings up the
other point which we bring up in the film. How
come no one reacts to a high powered rifle going off.

(01:32:49):
They're saying three shots conspiracy theorists say two shots from
the grassy knol. The governments has three shots from the
book depository. But even if you were firing three shots
in the book depository, it would be echoing all through
the Cowardice buildings. You you wouldn't even be able to
tell where the shot was necessarily coming from. But it

(01:33:09):
would be loud. It would be really loud. And nobody
reacts at all to any shots.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
And can you give me a screen share capability discription?

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Yeah, and you're talking about no one reacts to the
shots from these Zapruder footage, right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Yeah, but nobody reacts to the shots. If you look
at pictures taken right after the so called assassination of
you know, the grass you know all that, people were
taking photographs, right, You don't see anybody, you know, cowering
down or anything.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
See this is a picture of Dealey Plaza, an overhead shot.
And right here where my cursor is is where's the
brewter is filming the president and the motorcade right The
conspiracy theorists say that there's a grassy ole shooter right here,
that's right behind the fins, that's behind the pergola. Zubcruterer

(01:34:02):
is right at the progola, so the shooter would have
to be behind Zubruder, and Zubruter is filming. There's no
shakiness of the camera, there's nothing going on. No one's
reacting to any gunshots. He's filming the president and the
limousine going down, super smooth. Everything is all good, and

(01:34:24):
no one's reacting anything.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
That was very strange to me, how smooth he was
able to film the remainder of that motorcade without having
a reaction like someone's being shot at.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Let me point out something else. So, the average width
of a two lane road is about twelve feet. Okay,
so if you take that reddit there Elm Street, that's
twelve feet. Now match that going forward towards where the
Grassy Noole shooter is. You're talking that the Grassy Nole
shooter is about fourteen to fifteen feet away from Elm Street.

(01:35:03):
If he had a high powered gun from fifteen feet away,
everybody in the whole place would hear it. Everyone would
jump fall to the ground and they would The second
thing they would do is look at who's shooting, and
so he would be identified by the second time he
fires the second shot, everyone would have seen his face.

(01:35:23):
And same thing with the book depositor. If they heard it,
they would have looked up and seen it. So it's
just these are questions that conspiracy theorists have seemingly forgotten
to answer. Ask I mean, and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
That's just interesting that you guys, even for research making
this film, you couldn't find any outside footage of people
looking fearful of their lives, ducking acting like they heard
a gunshot of any kind.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Nope, not one person reported seeing anyone with a rifle
anywhere at Rown d Lee Plaza that day, anywhere reported
seeing anybody. And here's the real kicker. And I wish
this was in the film, but I found it later,
and maybe if we ever revise it, I'll put it in.
I asked myself, about three weeks ago or so, what

(01:36:16):
what evidence did the warrant commission have to say that
there were three shots fired in d Lee Plaza? And
I learned that a policeman had left his radio on
his motorcycle who was behind the motorcade. So the Dallas
Police were recording everything at the headquarters. And so I

(01:36:37):
listened to that record. I found it, listened to it
and listened to like fifteen times, and I couldn't find
anything that sounded like a clear, distinct gun shot. You know,
it's horns hawking and motors and people talking and all that.
And then I got so, well, maybe i'm you know,
poor of hearing, and you know, I can't hear it's
up above some range that I can't hear anymore. So

(01:36:57):
then I started doing a deeper dive and I found
to a nineteen eighty report by the FBI. They did
a complete acoustic analysis of that recording and concluded there
were no gunshots on that recording. So I don't know
what caused the Warren Commission to conclude that there were
gunshots on there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Now, let's get into some of the anomalies that you
found with the Subpruder film, at least as much as
we can without giving away too much of the film.
What was it that you first noticed about the film
that got you scratching your eyebrows, maybe threw up some
red flags.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Uh, well, you take it after me. But I first
saw was when he supposedly grabbed his neck and there
was no blood. That's when I my alarm bell went out, right.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
Sorry, So there's two spices in the Zubruta film, and
I'm going to show the most important one. There's a
splice one thirty three. But the most important splice occurs
right as a limo goes behind this Dimons Freeway sign
of frame two o seven. It jumps from print frame

(01:38:15):
two O seven to frame two twelve. There's four frames
that are missing in the ze Bruder film. And that
was a big target because Jay is a filmmaker. He
is an expert on physical effects, and he can tell
you what that means. When any filmmaker can really tell

(01:38:36):
you what it means when there's a evidence splice in
a film, right, that means that anything can be after
that splice. So here is the Zebruder film splice that
frame two o seven two seven to two twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Yea, there it is. And so I mean, that's amazing
that there's that there's evidence of the President of the
United States being shot and there's a splice in the
main body of evidence, and the Warrant Commission is never
told by Time Life that Time Life accidentally spliced the
film for some reason. That's tampering with evidence. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:24):
And then also researcher Fred Newcombe as well has proven
with a good degree of certainty that there is a
slight change in the collar balance after the splice. He
found that the caller of the film goes from a
reddish tint to a bluish tan. And this, would you know,

(01:39:44):
indicate that the blue tint which a occurs after the splice,
has been put through some sort of optical printer, because
the brewer was using codo chrome front film right, and
Kodak only made two kinds of film, daylight coda comb
front and indoor code comb front right. And the daylight
codocombe film is more balanced towards the red, and the

(01:40:05):
indoor coda comb film is more balanced towards the blue.
So half the film is shot an indoor coda comb
from and then the other half after the splice is
shot in a different kind of code of combe from.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
So and if if you were running, if you were
running codochrome through an optical printer, you would have to
use the indoor because it's an indoor light, it's not sunlight.
So that's the telltale trigger that tells you that this
has been run through an optical printer. And what we
show I don't show in the film. I speculated in

(01:40:38):
the film that it's been put through it. In those days,
it's called a traveling matt member. This is before digital.
And so what they would do is they would put
a piece of material around whatever they wanted to mat out.
So they mated everything out but the limousine and the occupants,
and then they kept it traveling and kept them at
going and then they went back and they double exposed

(01:41:02):
the background. Only they trunk the limousine for reasons that
we talked about in the UH in the movie h
so that they could hide something going on. But the
problem is now the people in the background are as
big or even bigger than the people in the foreground,
which is optically impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
That was a huge wow moment for me when I
was watching that, that that's obvious that the people the
depth perception is incorrect there and the people are larger
than the ones in the limousine.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
That's crazy that that that scene got a gasp when
we showed it publicly, it was very gratified. But I'd
heard the whole audience go.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Like they got it right and when they saw it,
and I think that that I think that's actually the
killer moment in the movie, and now in retrospect, I
think that's the moment that people began to realize, wait
a minute, this is not how you're supposed to look
through a lens. There's something wrong here, and it's just
the beginning of things that are wrong with the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Aspects of the autopsy that didn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Well, oh, show that writer, can you show the So
we see the as a Bruner film that Kennedy is
shot here right about here on the side of the
head and he flies back like that. So naturally, when
we see the autopsy pictures that were taken a couple
hours later in DC, we expect to see this wound

(01:42:34):
here in a little closer examination of it. But that's
not what we see. And this has never really been
pointed out too much.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
Yeah, this is the wound to the taken during the
autopsy of Jacob, which the autopsy is really strange in
and of itself because there was a bunch of arguments
between the Dallas Police and the Secret Service and the
FBI of where JFK were to be autopsy. There is
a bunch of fights and arguments about it. But it

(01:43:03):
turned out that JFK was like whist away, but the
coroner and Dallas actually had the right and the legal
president to autopsy JFK's body in Dallas, right the Secret
Service said no, let's take the body, and then it
was whisked away onto Air Force one and then it
was taking the Bethesda Naval Hospital where it was autopsy

(01:43:23):
by doctors that did not have any idea what they
were doing surrounding autopsies, right, and this photo shows a
shot to the back of the head. No wound to
the side of the face, which is really interesting when
you watch this Zabruta film and the film and the
shot comes from the right side and Kennedy's head goes
back into the left. That's not what this autopsy photo shows.

(01:43:45):
But what is interesting is that JD. Tippett was claimed
to be shot in the back of the head. So
here is another autopsy photo where of JFK being shot
in the back, and then I guess who was also
supposedly shot in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
JD.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
Tippett was also supposedly shot in the back. And then
here is the big one. This is the big ringer
right here.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
Uh, no wound to the right side of the head
at all, but clearly a wound to the back of
the head. It's all swollen. You can see the stuff
coming out. So you know, this is the incongruities that
have not really been approached by the either the government
or the conspiracy community. Different too, they are different. Thank

(01:44:35):
you for noticing that. Even their haircuts different. But yeah,
it's that's not JFK on the right. Sorry, you'll find
you have to watch the movie to find out what's
going on. But that's not JA, that's not JK. I
I'm sorry. And it doesn't even really look like him.
People I used to do portrait photography. I really came

(01:44:59):
to no faces really well. And you know, the guy
on the slab does not look like JFK. He looks
a lot like JFK, but there's little glitches in there
that indicate that he's not really And we show in
the movie, by the way, that four years after the
assassination in nineteen sixty seven, JFK's body was exhumed from

(01:45:21):
the Arlington Cemetery and moved for completely mysterious reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
No explanation was ever given for that. You know, them
the residence body in the middle of the night, not
telling anyone, right, it's pretty strange, really odd. Be sure
the picture is in the film of them doing that
in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
You've you've also showed some very interesting recorded audio of
Jacqueline Kennedy and LBJ, as well as some other tidbits
that I had never heard before. Where did you find
these these audio clips?

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Well, I was doing research for the script that we
were going to do. And I was working sixteen hours
a day just between writing and finding all this weird,
weird stuff that I found. I could go on for
a two hour show on stuff that we never talk
about in the film that I discovered. And you know

(01:46:21):
that I found that audio and I was just like
bowled over, and I was so obvious that well, not
only was Johnson flirting with Jackie ten days after the assassination,
and not only does Jackie LBJ give no comfort to
Jackie about her husband just getting murdered right next to her.

(01:46:43):
Jackie is just happy and it's just having a nice time,
and she's actually now in retrosprat after hearing it so
many times, I now realized that Jackie's sporting with him too,
you know. And then and then we also we uh
pull out the little known case of Mary Pinchot Meyer,

(01:47:08):
a former wife of the head of the CI A Cordmyer,
who was Kennedy's lover there near the end, and she
was a beautiful socialite and her murder. We cover the
murder pretty closely. Her murder is just like one of
the ten months after the assassination of Kennedy. She's murdered

(01:47:29):
in broad daylight taking a walk down a very popular
walking path in Washington, d C. And there's nobody ever
convicted of this murder. One of the people that's involved
in that with that is right by her when she's

(01:47:50):
murdered is a former CIA agent or may be not
a former, and a reporter. Here's the call on the radio. Oh,
because he's got one of those radios. He's the first
guy there. He gets there, he finds Mary pinchel Meyer
on the towpath and there's no blood. He reports no blood.
He reported this in the smithsonianan magazine. You know, you

(01:48:13):
just start looking at all high weirdness around what happened
after the Kennedy the events of November twenty second, sixty three,
and they all point towards the theory we're presenting as
being highly credible.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
You believe that the Kennedys were trying to ultimately thwart
the Mob from taking over everything. But it doesn't seem
like the Mob is in the same type of control
as it was during that time period. Seems like they've
either been integrated into this evil corporate elitist system now they.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Just godfather Godfather one is the old mob. Godfather two
is the new mob is legit. Their own businesses, the
own casinos. They they're they're legitimate businessmen. They're going to
have their children run for office and the whole thing.
And and that's that's really the story of the mob.

(01:49:14):
What it did after Kennedy assassination. They changed their ways.
They would corporate may Or Lansky is the mayor, major
force behind all of this. He's the brilliant person who
came up with the idea, why don't we just go legit?
Bugsy Siegel, his best friend, said let's let's let's own
Nevada and we'll buy up Las Vegas and turn it

(01:49:36):
into our empire of legitimate businesses. And the rest is history.
Now the mob is all the way in control. I
think the events of twenty twenty, the terrible thing that
happened to the world there, and then the subsequent things
that they were forcing on all of us, that's that's
a mob hit. That's through brick through your establishment window.

(01:50:00):
And then showed up the next day and said, hey,
it us one hundred dollars a month and you'll never
have to worry about it. Right, Well, that's what they
did with us with that terrible thing they did to
us in twenty twenty. They threw a brick through our
collective window, and then came a few months letter said hey,
we've got a solution for you, right, And to me
that was just, oh, this is how the mob works today.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Yeah, they just basically been integrated into the three letter agencies, government, politics, corporations.
They're just part of it now. It's not there's no
deciphered split between the mob and what we would consider globalists.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
Yeah, that's exactly right, exactly right. And you know the
ruling families are mob families. Let's just be straight ahead
about it. And you know the WEF is funded by
the same families. They fund everything, they fund the CFR,
they find everything. It's the same same group of people

(01:51:01):
funding everything. And they is there magical thing that they
use and won't be to anybody who crosses them.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Right, or anything else to add that we didn't cover
about the film yet.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Well, nothing that we mentioned in the film, but well
we do mention the why hasn't Trump Why didn't Trump
release all the JFK files. Why hasn't any president or
any governmental organization released all of the JFK files, Which
is a really important question, and that's really what we
start this film out with, right, And I personally believe

(01:51:44):
that what we show in the film is the reason
why the JFK files can never be released and why
Trump decided to withhold a lot of those files. Talking
to Judge Pelatonto, Polatano saying that he could never release
these files to the public. And it has to be
something big, has to be something that no one has
ever thought of before. It can't be things to do

(01:52:08):
with technology like some people have thought about that it
has something to do with highly advanced technology. Although JFK
was really good friends with the Secretary of the Navy,
James forrestall as well, what James Forstall was said to
have been a part of this reverse engineering or the
crashing of alien technology with the MJ twelve group as well,

(01:52:31):
But that's not what it is. It doesn't have anything
to do with advanced technology. It has everything to do
with what we've presented in this film. That is really
the only thing that it could possibly be that would
completely unravel the United States, right, Because that's basically what
Trump said to Judge Pelatonto, right. He says, he said

(01:52:53):
that you know, this is too damaging, right, it's too
damaging and we can't really see, you know. And if
it had anything to do with technology and advanced technology,
people already they're already aware that the government has highly
advanced technology, right, and it's more than likely all of

(01:53:14):
our technology that's been blamed on extraterrestrials. Right, So it's
not that, right, And I just want to remind people
that this film is not just another rehashing of old theories, right,
because when people think of a new JFK movie or
a JFK documentary, I'm sure they're thinking, oh, man, how

(01:53:36):
many times can we just be hearing the same thing
over and over and over again? That the CIA did it,
That there was multiple shooters, that it wasn't Oswald, that
I was the driver of the limousine had done it,
That there was multiple shooters, multiple people were firing. The
Jackie was the one that did it, And that's why
the Bruta film is altered, because she's the one that
shot at JFK in the head, you know, And this

(01:53:58):
is something campletely different. Though we do go through all
of the other theories basically in the first act of
the film and the second act is you know, Jay
going over, but we think actually really happened and more
than likely what really did happen that day, And it

(01:54:20):
is a big shocker, and I really hope people watch it.
It's very affordable. We made it a very affordable price
at a dollar ninety nine to rent and for nine
nine to buy. And I recommend buying it because most
people that I've sent it to that's watched it has
watched it several times, So it's easier just to buy

(01:54:41):
it because you're going to want to watch it over
and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
You are because it is, like I said, it's a
film that a film that explains the Kennedy sessions is
a Pruver film, So you got to watch it. You're
finally going to see a high quality version which we've
never had before. That's in this film. That's four K.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
We even have a slow motion version of it. We
we we did everything we could to present this The
Bruder Film in the highest quality fashion that we could.
And I think that you finally, and I think the
incongruities that we show, like between the autopsy pictures and

(01:55:18):
the The Bruder film itself, will show you that there's
something wrong. And lastly, I think it has to be
said that Trump is actually really good friends was really
good friends with JFK. Junior. They were They hung out
in New York all the time. And if Trump actually
saw the actual evidence, he may not have wanted to

(01:55:42):
hurt the Kennedy family in any way, so, you know,
because they were his friends. So that may be an
aspect of all this too.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
For the last few minutes that we have, I want
to get your thoughts on the time period that we're
about to head into, about to enter a very interesting time,
especially when you look at who is going to be
running for the presidency. We have a Kennedy back in
the spotlight. I'd love to get each of your thoughts

(01:56:13):
on the possibilities of the future. There's many that think
that he is just another puppet for the New World Order.
That's some that think that he's genuinely trying to make
change up there. And there's some that think that even
if he gets up there, that he would be silenced
in some way just because you reach that level of

(01:56:37):
the president being the president. So I'd love to get
each of your thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
I think that it's really dangerous for this idea, in
this thought that the president doesn't matter, that's a really
dangerous ideology to have, right, And but it's been made
fun of. It's been made fun of a lot, right,

(01:57:04):
It's turned into a joke, and that's what's degraded the
position of president and people thinking that the president has
no power. I mean, first off, we had a celebrity
in there with Trump, and they made fun of him
a lot. That degraded the position of power. Now we
have Biden in there that can't string two sentences together properly,

(01:57:25):
which is then again making fun of the presidency. So
they're really trying to bring the presidency down to a
level to where it doesn't even matter in the grand
scheme of things, right, And that's a dangerous thought and
idea to have. I think I think that that's the

(01:57:46):
most dangerous thing that we could possibly do, right, and
it's going to unravel our society as a whole if
we keep going in that direction. And before I get
into what I think is going to happen, to get
Jay's thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
Well, what's going to happen here is that Biden's clearly
yesterday got to beginning of the end for the Bidens.
I believe that Biden will hang on all the way
until twenty four, but he will not run. I believe
they're going to put Michelle in Michelle Obama. She's going

(01:58:23):
to run, and I believe she's going to declare, she's
going to open up about what's going on with her
personally and who she really is, and they're all going
to declare that she's the bravest person on earth, and
she will probably win the election. The only one that

(01:58:43):
can stop her is Trump, which is why they're trying
to arrest Trump and doing all the things they are
the Trump So there's nobody that can stop Michelle butt Trump,
and I believe that all of the manipulation of the
last ten years regarding alternative sexuality is a manipulation by

(01:59:06):
the deep state to get us ready for Michelle for
exactly what Rider just said, for the ultimate humiliation.

Speaker 5 (01:59:17):
My thoughts are a little different on what's going to happen.
I think that I think that's a high possibility, but
I think it's going to be a little different. I
think that Trump is going to run again. He's going
to get the entire country rallied behind him and it's
going to be Biden once again, and the joke is

(01:59:38):
going to be made so heavily on Biden. It's going
to seem like that it's going to be a huge
landslide for Trump right the Trump there's no possible way
in the world that Trump loses because it's going to
be both sides are going to basically be on Trump's side, right,
and then they pull the switcher rooo again. And this
has already been set up perfectly with the election of

(01:59:58):
twenty twenty. Right, people are already thinking that the election
is there's no point in doing the election because they're
going to nominate and whoever's going to be president, regardless
of who actually wins the popular vote right or actually
wins the nomination, they're going to skew it in their direction.
So I think that what is going to happen is
Trump is going to lose again and we're going to

(02:00:22):
see an event like January sixth, but on steroids. And
this is my first time that I've ever talked about
this publicly because I don't like making predictions. I don't
like talking about what I think is going to happen,
because there's always that variable that it doesn't happen, and
I don't really want to look like a fool. But

(02:00:43):
if I were them, and I was a psychological master,
and I was a puppeteer, that's exactly what I would do.
I would make the American people think that it is
their idea to destroy the country. And that is the
easiest way to do it, because that's exactly what's going
to happen. They can't just come out and destroy the

(02:01:04):
country on their own, because then it'll be blamed on them.
They have to do it in a way that flips
it around on the citizens of the United States to
make them look like the enemy. And the easiest way
to do that is around the political spectrum. Right, We've
already got this huge division within the United States on

(02:01:25):
political parties, and the easiest way to do it is
to do exactly what they did in twenty twenty again,
but just one hundred times bigger.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
You don't think that manipulating Michelle into the presidency and
then having her announce that what she really is in
public wouldn't absolutely cause this country to erupt in total
disruption in flames.

Speaker 5 (02:01:56):
I mean it could, but that then makes us look
like we're way worse than we.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Actually exactly exactly exactly with the oh you're the intolerant ones, right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Yeah, I think there's also a setup to have a
spotlight on people that go against the mainstream narratives. They're
already starting to deem people domestic terrorists. They're starting to
try and pass laws to where if it seems like
you're going against a certain or a narrative, or you're

(02:02:31):
speaking against it, or you're saying something that doesn't go
with the woke agenda, then you're considered a domestic terrorist
and then you can then have all your rights taken away.

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
Well, I mean we have to this is coming. We
all probably agree on that. What we're doing here where
I live is we're just going to create our own
banks and our own financial system and grow our own food.
And we're just not if that's the way they want
to play, they want a weaponize everything we're doing. Well,
we're just going to drop out completely. And it's a

(02:03:05):
big movement right now people doing that, and so we
have to start thinking that way. We don't have to
be in their financial system. We don't really even have
to use their money, not really. And it's just you know,
we all agree that that's the easiest way to do it.
But listen, I'm old enough to remember Esperanto. Do you

(02:03:27):
know what esperanto was. Esperanto was a universal language that
everyone was going to speak, and it came out in
the nineteen seventies in the UN pushed it and everybody
pushed Esperanto or create a universal language. It went nowhere,
and almost all their plans go nowhere. So they talk big,

(02:03:50):
but you can look at their incongruities of what they're
presenting and it almost never makes any sense. They want
an all electric future, but they don't want to build
any nuclear power plants or creating any more electricity. They
tell us that we have blackouts. Everything they say is
completely contradictory to what reality dictates, and we're seeing it

(02:04:11):
now for the first time. I think on a mass level,
and I think JFKX Solving the Crime in the Century,
available on Amazon Prime, is a one step towards this
mass realization that we have been screwed. And the next
two films that we're making are going to be even bigger.
Each one's going to get bigger and be more elaborate

(02:04:33):
about how we have been completely and utterly manipulated by
a huge, large forces, starting with the Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Now, last question, speaking of being hugely manipulated on a
mass scale, are we going to see a fake alien
invasion within our lifetime?

Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
It could be. I don't know. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
I was, man, they're ramping it up.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
I never seen anything like that. I watched the whole thing.
I was like, really, first off, they're admitting that they're
moving money around, and money for projects aren't going to Liot,
They're going over here. I was blown away by that part.
Then when it gets down to the particulars of the
aliens and all that, Oh, then the language gets vague.

(02:05:18):
You know. Yeah, I'd heard from somebody that that's true.
You know. It was like, wait a minute here. So
it was part of those hearings which were really amazing,
and part of them was a complete scio.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
Thoughts writer.

Speaker 5 (02:05:33):
I think that there's no way that they could pull
off an alien invasion with the way that people think
that it's going to go down with this Project blue Beam. Nonsense.
That's not what Project blue Beam is. It's not a
holographic simulation outside of your body. Project blue Beam was
actually an MK ultra subproject that was called Project Blue Bolt,

(02:05:57):
and that was to literally, subliminally artificially put the holographic
image directly into the subject's head, so they're seeing it
inside of their head. It's not external to them. It's
happening inside of their head. And that's the only way
that you would be able to get away with it.

(02:06:18):
You can't just put something external that's not real outside
of somebody. Because we have phones now, we have camera equipment,
we have people that can communicate with people on the
other side of the planet, and if everything isn't going
on everywhere, then there's gonna be discrepancies with that. Right,
It's almost an impossible task. The only way that they

(02:06:41):
could really pull it off is if they use their
own highly advanced technology. You never see the aliens. There's
no photographs or footage of the actual aliens is supposedly
doing it. It's our own advanced, highly advanced anti gravity
craft and it is legitimate only killing people, and it's

(02:07:01):
legitimately destroying cities and blowing things up. That's the only
way that they can do it. They can't do it
in a fake way. It has to be real but
not real in the way that they think that it's
real or fake, in the way that they think that
it's fake. Right, So that's my thoughts, and that's the
only way that they'll be able to pull it off.

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
We live in interesting times. Go ahead, Jay, just enclosing.
You know it's not having the effect. Yesterday did not
have the effect that they thought it might. It's just
a big nobody's paying any attention to it because no
one believes a freaking word. They say, that's what you've
done to you, your sells, you idiots. Last three.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
Yeah, that has to be it because the lulled reaction
from people, the reaction of just meh, it doesn't really
matter it. I think that two or three years ago
could have been a lot different, but they screwed everything
up by trying to rush their psychological COVID operation that
they lost everyone during that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
So will you know when my mild mannered wife is
going over and over bullshit, bullshit? Now you know that
nobody believes it because she doesn't care anything about U
bodes Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08:19):
Yeah, we're definitely interesting times, all right, writer, Jay, great film.
I will have the link, the Amazon link right in
the description. And one more time, where can they find
all of each of your content.

Speaker 5 (02:08:33):
You can find me on Raised by Giants, on YouTube
and any of the podcast platforms, and on the Forbidden
Knowledge News Network and all the other alternative platforms as well.
I'm doing a series right now on UFO Cults, which
is a very interesting series. We see where all of
these thoughts and these theories and these ideas that are
constantly being regurgitated in the community even nowadays. So if

(02:08:57):
you'd like to check that out on Raised by Giants,
on any of the podcast platforms and all the alternative
media platforms, and on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
Thanks Chris, thank you. Yeah, and I'm up on I
have a show on YouTube, reality Check. Just type in
Jay Widener reality Check. I also have a site Jaywidner
dot com with all my free stuff, and you can
find all of my films on Amazon and guya.

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
Fantastic gentlemen. Thank you so much. Great film and we
will talk again soon. Until next time, everyone, have an
excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. See y'all do

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