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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Today.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
My guest is Ben Joseph Stewart. He is a filmmaker, musician, producer,
artist and father, and he's creator of several documentaries including
DMT Quest, Esoteric Agenda, and Limitless. He is also creator
of the Ben Stewart podcast and the Waking Infinity series.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Ben.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Welcome, How you doing doing excellent? Man? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, I've been looking forward to this. Like what I
was telling you before, I love your work. You have
so many amazing documentaries and projects in general that cover
all the topics that are really nearest and dearest to
my heart. You know, psychedelics, esoteric, the occult, the true
nature of our hidden reality, all my favorite stuff. And
there's so many directions we can go and that I

(01:33):
really want to go. But first let's start with more
about yourself, more about your your background and what led
you to start your research and ultimately making films.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah. Well, I mean, man, I've done this since you
so many times that it's like I can go all
the way back to the beginning where I was an
army brat. I was traveling the world NonStop. I can't
remember the exact amount of places that I lived before
I hit high school, but it was just ridiculous, so
constantly moving in and out of the country, Hawaii, quadling

(02:11):
in the Marshall Islands, which is a tiny grouping of
islands with the Marshal Eese culture, their matriarchal culture, shamanic culture.
They invented the bikinis. So I lived amongst some interesting
groups growing up. And then all of a sudden, once

(02:31):
I got back to the main forty eight, started getting
into sports, started getting into medicine, and when I say
medicine was really psychedelic medicine. At like age fourteen, I
started getting into that, got into music heavy, and then
right around the time I was getting out of high school,
I was still seventeen, I decided to enlist in the military,

(02:53):
which was an interesting move for me, but I was
in the military for six years, and in that time
I really got to just see what the military was
all about. And then also it kind of opened my
not that I had a small mind about the world
because I had traveled a lot, but I didn't really
understand the United States and the military industrial complexes role

(03:15):
in foreign politics and just in the world at large.
And it really started to hit me when I was
in the military. And when you're in the military, whether
you're in uniform or not, you represent the military. So
you can't go on podcasts, not that there were them
back then, but you can't go out and be outspoken
about what is happening in the military when you're in

(03:37):
the military. So as soon as I got out in
two thousand and six, that was when I really started
in my music. I was in a band. We're touring,
we played Lollapalooza, We're NonStop touring the country, and I
finally just started getting really vocal about what I saw
was going on in the world. And then people started

(03:58):
asking me, like, what's what is what's driving all this
lyrical content. We can tell that you're really passionate about this.
So I decided in proper artistic fashion too, instead of
just answering their question with words, I made a film.
Never did any demo reels, never did any video editing before.
I just hopped straight into making this film. And that's

(04:21):
what got me into researching, was I realized I wanted
to talk about what I was seeing in the world.
But as I was researching, in the course of making
the film, everything I researched expanded my mind more and
more and more. So I was in this kind of
like the Fool and the Tarot at the beginning of
a journey, you know, like I was consuming as much

(04:44):
content as I possibly could. And I made a film
called Esoteric Agenda that came out in two thousand late
two thousand and seven, and around the launch of that
so many people had seen it, like millions of people
had seen it. And this before YouTube. It was all
in Google videos that launched people into emailing me saying like,

(05:08):
please make another film, Like the very last ten to
fifteen minutes of that film and that film was primarily
it was talking about conspiracy. It was talking about the
distortion of time. It was talking about mainstream media and
corporate media and how they use logos and sound and visuals,
you know, as hypnotic entrainment. And that was But the

(05:29):
very last fifteen minutes is when I told people like, listen,
this whole esoteric agenda, the real conspirator is you. The
real power is inside of you. And people were like,
I love that point. Can you drive it home deeper
in another film? So I drove it home in this
film called Chaimatica, and that was really my number one
film that one New York Independent Film Festival for Best

(05:53):
Scientific Film. It was a lot about the psyche, It
was a lot about who think, who's really doing the thinking?
And so I started just kind of laying out that
really the ailments and the problems that we see in
the world, we love it when we can point the

(06:14):
finger outside and purely say, oh, it's their fault, it's
their fault, it's their fault. And then I think the
next step up from that is really taking personal responsibility
and saying like, despite the fact that all these things
were present before I was born, That doesn't mean that
I need to sit in this downward spiral of Oh
the world is shit. Look at all these people, they're

(06:34):
making it worse. If you focus on what is my part?
How can I leave this world a better place? Even
if I may not save the entire world from its demise?
What can I do to add beauty and goodness to
this world? Now? Is what that film was really about,
And that point was really the pivotal point when I realized,

(06:56):
this is what I've been put on planet Earth to do,
is to build bridges. Is not just to scare people
with conspiracy content, and not just to like puff people
up or stroke them off with a lot of New
Age content. It was really to use art to bridge
the gap between those the aspects of reality we wish
weren't true, with the aspects of reality we wish were

(07:20):
true and really are true, but we don't believe it
because we've been told that there's a limit to human
potential and that we are just these minuscule one in
seven billion specs on a floating rock in space, you know,
blah blah blah. And I started realizing that everything that
we were told you can break down. I'm not going
to say everything's a lie. I think that's a little

(07:42):
bit much, But I do believe that if you treat
everything as a potential lie, then you will look deeply
into it and use your own powers of discernment and
your own consciousness to really look at something rather than
just pass it off with somebody else's explanation of it.
So to me, that's what set me on the path

(08:03):
that I'm on now. I'm constantly making film, I'm constantly
making news content, podcasts, what have you that really circle
around that let's not ignore what's going wrong in the world,
but let's not ignore the fact that science has not
closed the book on human potential. There's so much more
to human potential than we've ever given ourselves credit for.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And I think that this is kind of intentional in
this community to get people lost in the conspiratorial waters
and get so into and deep into some of these
rabbit holes that they're not focusing on the solutions and
what can be done to counter the problems. They're just
getting stuck in this. And it's a kind of a
repeating pattern that is rampant in you know, I hate

(08:49):
to say this community, but it is, you know, a
lot of people just focus on all these negative things
and they bring themselves down because there's two loss and
all the troubles that are in the world, instead of
kind of analyzing it and making it understandable and making
it better for yourself. And I think that's one of
the huge things that's lost now for me, one of

(09:12):
the huge parts of my journey when it comes to
that self realization with psychedelics. And I want to get
your take on this. I know you're a film DMT
quest was amazing, and I've.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Not done DMT yet.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I've had plenty of psychedelic experiences with LSD, magic mushrooms
and a couple of others and very profound experiences. I
do look forward to to having an ayahuasca journey one day.
I just haven't had the chance to. But for you,
how crucial was psychedelics to your journey?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh? Man, it was pivotal. It was pivotal. My good
friend Dan Engel, he's a concussion repair guy, he said
it best. He's like, there's life before Aya, and there's
life after Aya. And the thing about Iowa wuasca that
doesn't sum up all psychedelics. All psychedelics seem to have
the same ability to reliably break apart your preconceived notions

(10:12):
of what reality actually is. Everyone that I know, whether
you're an atheist, whether you're spiritual, whether you're religious, doesn't
matter what background you're coming from. Psychedelics seem to show
you that you were wrong about a lot you know,
and that also there's this thing inside you that has

(10:33):
always known we're connected in some way, and I just
I was worried to say it because it sounded too
new age, But now I realize, now that I've done
psychedelics that no, we really are. There's this pattern underlying
all phenomena in the universe. And so it was pivotal
for me, and actually it was pivotal for me in

(10:56):
filmmaking as well. And everything you said about this conspiracy
community as it's the same as every community. I'm just
going to tangent real quick. Every community has the squeakiest
wheel is like the bottom five percent. And I don't

(11:16):
say this in a derogatory fashion, because even college has this.
The kids who just get out of college, they have
a ton of knowledge and not a lot of wisdom. Right,
It's a lot of book smarts, but it's not applied
it's not battle tested. And what I notice is they
have to be the squeakiest wheels, they have to be

(11:36):
the loudest advocates for it. But it's the people who
just get into conspiracy that are the loudest. They're screaming
into megaphones on the street. They are, you know, yelling
and trolling people's social media accounts. And the same goes
for psychedelic communities. When people just get into the psychedelic community,

(11:57):
a lot of what I see happen, some of the
pitfall that people go into is this It can bring
on this messianic complex, this oh my god, I'm a shaman.
Oh you just did mushrooms once and it's like, I know,
but I got this download and it's just like okay.
But anybody who has been in this space for a
while knows that if you get a download, don't take

(12:19):
it so literally that you feel like it was a
message from God, because it could just be a very
very clear message from part of your higher intelligence. But
then you cut off transmission and you say, well, I
just am that now that I've had this experience, I
just am that Messiah's like, no, that is the peak
of your potential, and it's like, I'm five nine, I

(12:43):
could potentially slam dunk if I really really tried, right,
that's the peak of my potential slam dunk a ten
foot rim. But I can't do it yet. But if
I were to see in psychedelics, like whoa, I have
the power to slam dunk, right, And then I go
around telling people that I can slam dunk and they're like,

(13:04):
all right, prove it right, and I wouldn't be able
to do it. And then I say, well, I don't
know what's wrong today, but I am I am. And
this is what I notice is that there's this introductory
phase where people get into things like conspiracy and psychedelics,
and they have to go through this trial phase, this
initiation or rite of passage, if you will. And what's

(13:26):
actually the most important thing is the integration process, not
getting your mind blown out by psychedelics, but battle testing
what you've learned in the face of people who haven't
had your experience. So this is what I noticed when
I got into conspiracy is I wanted to be the
guy at the I didn't want to be the guy

(13:47):
at the party. I just turned into the guy at
the party. Where everyone else is telling dick and fart
jokes and here I am talking about building seven and
nine to eleven, you know, and like I'm the guy
with the buggy eyes and everyone else is just looking
for a way out of the converse. It didn't take
me very long because I was in a band at
the time, and my band wasn't into the stuff that
I was talking about. They still loved me dearly, but

(14:09):
they were like, yo, Ben, you need to stop talking sometimes.
And that was when it really hit me, like, whoa, Okay,
there's a way to do this, and there's a way
not to do this. It's not just about like barking
out everything you've learned to people, so you can be
this like hi, almighty nowhere. And that's kind of what
That's the link between psychedelics and conspiracy that I've come

(14:31):
to realize is both can help crack open your worldview.
Both can send you down a negative spiral. Both can
actually send you up a very positive spiral. And I'm
sure maybe some listeners would be how the hell would
conspiracy send you on this positive inspiring spiral. It's happened

(14:53):
to me, It's happened to a ton of people. Who've
seen my films where if you see it and you really, oh, man,
this definitely explains a lot. But it you know, it
doesn't type cast me. It doesn't make me this one
in seven billion people. I'm just a number. When I

(15:13):
saw Zeitgeist, I saw Zeitgeist on mushrooms and it woke
me up. And the combination of psychedelics in a conspiracy
film made me into a filmmaker. And it made me
focus on human potential, not what's going wrong like all
the time, but focus on human potential. So I think
psychedelics I think their power lies in breaking down some

(15:40):
of the preconceived notions that lock us out of the
higher realms of our potential. I think the problem with
psychedelics is the same as the problem with conspiracy is
sometimes it can lock us into a belief structure that
the world is just this amorphous blob and all this

(16:01):
other stuff, and none of the stuff we used to
believe has any validity. Right when people start believing, oh, well,
like I can fly and did you know time is
just to construct? And like, oh this isn't real, It's
just an illusion, right, walk out into oncoming traffic and
tell me this is just an illusion. Stick your hand
in a fire for thirty seconds and tell me time
is just a construct of your imagination. It still has

(16:24):
its impact. And psychedelics and conspiracy they can lock you
into realms or they can crack you out of realms.
And it all comes down to your intention. Do you
intend to be taught or do you intend to become
the messiah that teaches. That's the main It's a very wobbly,
nice edge that people stand on. Sometimes they come out

(16:47):
of conspiracy and psychedelics and they're like, I know everything
now I have to teach everybody. And sometimes they go
into it and their mind is blown and they're like,
oh man, I want to read every book under the sun,
listen to every podcast, watch every documentary. I just want
to talk to people. I want to hear their feelings.
I want to hear it resonating in their in their voice.

(17:10):
Those are the people that like, I jam well with
those people. They they realize that no matter what, even
if you're a sage, even if you've read every book
you could possibly read on a topic, you're still the student.
You You're not above listening and listening well and learning
how to listen. Ever More, presently, So I hope I

(17:31):
answered your question about psychedelics with that.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I've I've witnessed it myself, and I've gone through the
experience of, you know, of growing and having a new
understanding of what the what my experience is on this
earth and my role, however small, it is, amongst the
role of the masses in our collective consciousness. And I
realized that after you know, a couple of psych grid

(17:58):
psychedelic experiences is how you know, I fit into a
small piece of a larger, much larger picture. And it's
the same with everybody. And I'm here to learn, and
that's like, that's the main thing I'm always wanting to,
you know, absorb new things. And the main thing that
I always say is, you know, if I believe, if
I have a theory or I think something may be

(18:20):
some way, it's probably gonna change. And it's you know,
I'm always definitely open to new ideas and I'm ready
to have my paradigm shifted if it is indeed you know,
what needs to be happening, and the information resonates with me.
So I'm constantly shifting my paradigm when it comes to

(18:41):
stuff like that. Now, as far as psychedelics and their
role today and in the future, and why those in
charge kind of give gave it a bad name and
shunned it from society. Let's go back a little bit
to the history. Do you think that psychedelics had a
large role in human evolution?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, man, dude, I mean, I could take us through
a lot of history. It looks like seventy thousand years ago,
psychotropic berries in a cave where cave paintings were found
might be some of the earliest remnants of altering our
state of consciousness in order to access different information. And

(19:27):
this isn't just psychedelics. We've done this historically with all
kinds of rites of passages. I mean, you probably know
if you were to go a couple of days without eating,
even one day without eating, you're going to alter your
consciousness because your brain has neurology that changes the way
you feel, and the way you feel changes the way
that you think and the things that you think about.

(19:48):
Throughout history, tribes have used rites of passages where down
in Brazil they'll stick their hands into these gloves that
have these bullet ants and they'll get bit by fifty
to one hundred bullet ants that alters their consciousness. They'll
go out and do a vision quest naked in the
woods for days and they can't come back to the

(20:11):
tribe until they catch something or kill a predator. They'll
you know, the sun Dance festival of the Lakota, where
they will go days dancing in the heat of the sun,
no water. They'll put spikes through their chest tied to
a tree and run and then this will rip the
muscles of their chest out like grotesque stuff. But if

(20:34):
you think about it, what is the purpose of it?
Getting beyond the mutilation and getting beyond the why would
you starve yourself? Why would you go naked into the
woods looking for an animal to kill. It's the same
thing with psychedelics altering our consciousness. It alters the environment
inside of our body, and the environment inside of our

(20:56):
body has an electromagnetic signature that bleeds outside of our body.
And we know that with plants, animals, and humans that
the environment shapes not just our you know, it shapes
our genes in a phenotypic way, which means like if
you were to, you know, take seeds of a plant

(21:16):
plant one in one country and one in another country,
they'll grow differently phenotypically because of the region, because of
the minerals, because of the climate, all that kind of stuff. So, yes,
everything we've done with our minds, with psychedelics, with rights
of passages, they've changed who we are as humans. War
changes who we are. So now lead it all the

(21:39):
way up into the nineteen hundreds. I'm skipping a lot
because there there was a lot of persecution for specific plants.
Even cannabis was at the origin of almost every major
religion today and is shunned by those major religions today,
even though it was likely the core impetus for the

(22:00):
religions to actually have some of their major stories. So
all the way up into today, the world starts becoming
more global. In the nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, there
were ethnobotanists from Europe that were going down into South
America all throughout the rest of the world and finding

(22:21):
ibogaine in Africa, ayahuasca and South America, mushrooms in Oajaca, Mexico,
different kinds of mushrooms for the Siberians out in the
Siberian Plateau. And once there was this understanding where all
this information like data, think of data collection. Today, the

(22:43):
data of all these psychedelic plants were finally starting to
circle in the scientific communities, and the scientific communities were
in bed with the Rockefellers, the rothschild some of the
biggest financial interests, and at that time it started to
be realized that there are these very powerful class of

(23:04):
plants called psychedelics, and we need to understand them more.
So the first thing that I believe was done was
in It was even before the nineteen seventies, but nineteen
seventy one was when Richard Nixon passed the Controlled Substances Act.
This made all psychedelics more illegal than some of the

(23:26):
most damaging drugs out there, Like you know, cannabis became
more illegal than cocaine. And I think the reason for
this was because not for care of our mental health
or you know, because we might become addicts. I think
it's because it's understood that these were very powerful healing modalities.

(23:48):
And the roth or the Rockefellers had just taken homeopathy
and turned it into allopathic medicine just a few decades before.
So there's all of a sudden, these magic class of
plants that we need to study before people get their
hands on it, and it gets out of our hand,
it gets out of our control, so they lock it

(24:08):
down for a while. And I guarantee you it was
being studied by the Department of the Army, the Navy.
It was, you know, being studied by the CIA. It
was definitely being sprayed over France by the CIA here
in the United States, over a town in France where
LSD was sprayed over them. They thought they were going insane.
Many people were hospitalized. Then it was declassified later that

(24:32):
the CIA had done it. So they were testing this
out to see how could this be weaponized, how could
this be not just weaponized as in the military, we'll
use it. But once things become weaponized and then it's
it's so well crafted, then you can turn it into
the nineteen eighty four and brave New World kind of

(24:54):
weapon where it's commercialized, weaponized, then commercialized, and then brought
to market as a safe thing that we all can do.
It wasn't safe before when the indigenous We're doing it
for up to five, ten, fifteen thousand years with very
low casualty rate, very high success rate, and in like

(25:18):
massive generations of empirical wisdom. But now it's safe because
white people in white lab coats have studied it for
the past thirty years, right, And so now I bring
you through this history to tell you where psychedelics are going.
If people haven't asked themselves why psychedelics have been picked

(25:39):
up by IPOs publicly traded companies for the past five
ten years. Same thing with cannabis, but psychedelics, all these
companies started becoming IPOs publicly traded psychedelic companies where they're
trying to refine the molecule, amplify it, put it into

(25:59):
a or put it into a pill, and then basically say,
look what we discovered even though the indigenous discovered it
long ago, we performed genocide, we took all their resources,
and now we're repackaging it to say, look at this great,
brand new psychological psychological mental health medicine that we have now.
So the future of it, I brought you through a

(26:20):
lot of history. Now the future of it is the metaverse.
And I sent you an article right before we got on,
and it's this.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Article that's that in the description for anybody that wants
to see that while listening.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Perfect and this is just one article. I was calling
this out on the Tim Tim Poole or timcast Irl
show a while ago, and then I start seeing articles
about it. The metaverse is more than just virtual reality.
It's virtual town squares where you get to hang out,
so you're not just in it with you know, non

(26:57):
player characters where everybody is literally programmed by a human.
Many of them can be humans, and you can be anywhere.
You can be on Mars, you can be in the
Grand Canyon, you can be wherever you want. You can
be in fantasy worlds fully immersed with not just heads
up display you know, these goggles that you put on,

(27:20):
but also in the ears as well, and then haptic suits,
which are these vibratory suits that make it feel like
if somebody hits you, the haptic suit can send a
signal to that very spot on your body so it
feels more real. And then on top of that, now
enter in these patches that you can put on somebody's

(27:42):
arm that is a cocktail of MDMA, ketamine and a
little bit of mushrooms and you put this transdermal patch
and it goes into your system and it says about
fifteen minutes after you put the patch on, put the
headphones on, put you know, put the the the virtual
reality goggles on, put your haptic suit on, and lay back,

(28:02):
and then you have this wild psychedelic experience in a
world that's not real. So now you've just changed what
you were asking me. If psychedelics have been any kind
of an impetus for human evolution, Yes, because psychedelics and
psychotropics make you more suggestible to input. When you're more

(28:24):
suggestible to input, you're less likely to reject something as
not real. You know, if you were to get an
ear piercing. Sometimes people's bodies can reject it. Sometimes people's
bodies accept it. In that same scenario, if the virtual
reality world you're in, you're like, yeah, this is almost real.

(28:44):
It's better than Nintendo way back when this is a
lot more real. But I'm still not buying it. Oh
you haven't put on the haptic suit and the MDMA
patch to make you feel like, oh fuck, I don't
care if this is real, this is better than the
real world. And then all of a sudden, people start
having the these peak moments, these transcendental, mystical types of

(29:04):
experiences not in nature. So that is now changing potentially
seventy thousand plus years of evolution where we have done
these plants in the womb of nature, where nature is
all around us. We're hearing the crickets, those frequencies that
they give off, the frogs, the animals, the wind on us.

(29:29):
Now take all that away. You're in a controlled climate environment.
You just have all this gadgetry hooked up to you
sounding like the matrix, isn't it, And you have this
patch that changes your hormonal and neurological makeup in order
for it to be more real. That's where I'll leave it,
because I'm sure everyone can tell where I'm going with this.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
That's absolutely terrifying. Now I want to bring it a
few steps further and maybe branch out into some different
directions from there. All right, So I was we're going
to ask you about your thoughts on entity contact and
psychedelics and whether these entities you kind of touched on
it earlier would be our higher selves are something outside
of that. Now, if it is something outside of that,

(30:12):
add in everything you're saying, and what could be the
possibilities in that scenario, what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
That was a very interesting question.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I believe that.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
At a certain level, everything is connected, So everything you encounter,
and this is going to like you know, Taoism all
the way to the deepest philosophies of what reality is
my deep understanding through experience. And I'm not saying that
means it's right, That just means it's been fortified by

(30:46):
decades of experience with this philosophy. Is that the deeper
I look at this philosophy, it may change cloaks or garments,
but it really starts getting deep, deeper and deeper that
we are all connected. So let's say you were to
do DMT and you have this experience that many people
have had insectoid types of beings, clockwork, elves, different kinds

(31:11):
of entities that seem vastly more intelligent. Sorry, if you
can hear that, that's they just started mowing the lawn
right outside. Really okay, good, vastly higher intelligence. These beings
seem to have and reliably brought about by smoking DMT,
sometimes by ingesting DMT with an maoi like ayahuasca that

(31:36):
allows it to pass through the liver without breaking down
the DMT, so it can make it to the brain
and give you that DMT experience stretched out. Sometimes on ayahuasca,
which the very last time I had ayahuasca, I did
have experience with some insectoid, praying manthis types of beings.
The way that I perceive that is on some level

(31:59):
there they are separate from me, because I get to
witness them as separate beings. But on the truest, most
fundamental level, they're not separate from me. So it is
an aspect of my higher self, because my higher self
is the one phenomena that's happening in the universe. There's
only one thing, and that's my truest, deepest belief. Now,

(32:22):
with that, the contact with these beings is getting pretty interesting,
all the way to the fact that Imperial College London
is they've already conducted several studies. But it's called extended
state DMT, where people are injected infused with an anesthesiology machine.

(32:44):
I think it's called the Henry Boyle machine, and it
infuses you with a certain dosage, a loading dose at
first and then a maintenance dose afterwards to keep you
in the DMT state for as long as you want
to be there. Now, for those who don't understand, DMT

(33:05):
has like a fifteen minute duration. Sometimes for people who
are super sensitive, maybe twenty minute duration. And a lot
of people who have had these experiences with these entities
and these beings they come to find that it's like,
just as I start establishing contact, I'm ripped out of
the experience because the DMT experience is so short. So

(33:29):
for a while people have been documenting this. There's trip reports,
thousands and thousands of trip reports online on erwid and
on other I think trip report dot com, where you
can see people are saying this is more real than real.
And I'm coming back with information even just like little
tidbits of information that there's no way I could have known,

(33:51):
and then I battle test it and it really seems like, yeah,
this information is factual in a philosophical sense, so almost
like remote viewing, but you know, not about like specific details.
So thousands and thousands of people are talking about this
all the way to where Imperial College London and Johns
Hopkins University are stepping into this kind of research. Now

(34:15):
I have to preface this by saying that I'm sure
that many of them are very interested in the potential
reality that there are beings that we're actually connecting to.
So Johns Hopkins, Imperial College London, they want to know
for sure, and they're doing this extended state DMT to
keep people in DMT for long periods of time so

(34:37):
they can come back with more information. There's two elements
to this. One is this idea that there is a fixed, concrete,
external reality that we're all independent consciousnesses and if we
can come into contact, then it's like, oh, you found
their phone number, You connected with the manted beings from
you know, whatever constellation. We need that information because it's

(35:02):
specific and concrete and external to us, meaning it exists
regardless of whether we exist. That's one world view and philosophy.
I believe there's a simultaneous philosophy at these very universities
that believes that it doesn't matter whether these are actual
beings or just a consistent archetypal phenomena that a lot

(35:24):
of people are having. We can use it. We can
use this information. So if a bunch of people are
having these archetypal insectoid or light beings that are talking
to them, if a lot of people are having similar experiences,
that means we can use whatever they come back with
and tell us as a way to mold and shape

(35:46):
human psychology. Because the more we understand human psychology regardless
of its factual basis in an external, concrete reality, if
a lot of people are having the experience, we can
use it. We can put in an algorithm around it
to extract all the data and all the connections we
can find from it and potentially weaponize it. And then

(36:07):
once we refine it even more, then we can commercialize it.
You notice I keep coming back to the stepping stone process. First,
you shut shit down. Nobody's allowed to look at this
because it's bad for you. Oh, but we're going to
study it. And then what are we going to do
when we study it? And I'm talking about elite control groups.
I'm not just talking about governments. I'm talking about elite powers.

(36:30):
So even private powers, they study it, they find out
how to weaponize it, they find out how to commercialize it,
as in products and stuff like that. But the weaponization
of it doesn't go away once it turns into the
psychedelics are the new mental health cure, Like it's the
new mental health revolution. That sounds like all these interests

(36:54):
are really trying to solve mental health, and a part
of that is true. But I would say the deepest
part of that is once you've weaponized it, you understand
the human psychemore. And now you get people on these
suggestible pills. You've dosed it right, so you know exactly
how much they're taking. And now let me just take

(37:14):
it one step further. Have you heard of the Internet
of bodies?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
No? I have not.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Okay, So the Internet of things is the connection between
like your phone, your tablet, your computer, the cloud, other
people's computers. That's the Internet of things, like everything through
the five G grid connected and communicating in real time
to the point where people's catch up bottles or their
refrigerators are monitoring what's in the refrigerator all the way

(37:43):
to this thing called the Internet of bodies, which are
wearables like fitbits, Apple watches that kind of like check
on your vital statistics and send that to the cloud,
or wearables like let's say, a device that connects your
head in transcranial magnetic stimulation that connects with your neurology

(38:07):
or pills that you take a pill and it has
a little device inside of it that once you've swallowed it,
it signals out to your doctor to tell your doctor
you've you know, this patient has taken his medicine or
her medicine. And there's people in the World Economic Forum
that are really really pushing for this. So that's the
Internet of bodies to make sure that you've taken your medicine,

(38:30):
to send your vital statistics without you having to do
anything to the cloud, to an external data congregating industry.
With that, there's one other element of this smart pacemakers.
Pacemaker of this guy in Ohio, he lit his house

(38:52):
on fire and to collect insurance, and his pacemaker was
able to telly against him in the court to show
that he was the arsonist. Holy shit, it's in his
body and it's testifying against him. This is a brand
new world that we're living in. So now go back
to this what I was saying about psychedelics. Imagine these

(39:15):
multi billion and one day multi trillion dollar psychedelic companies
publicly traded companies. And when I say publicly traded, do
you know what that means? That means about thirteen companies
own the dominant share. Thirteen companies with maybe about one
hundred two hundred people making the decisions for everything that's
publicly traded. Thirteen to seventeen companies. So with that being said,

(39:41):
now the financial class, the predominant financial class is able
to tell if you've taken your psychedelic medicine or not,
and if you haven't, next time you go to the doctor,
the ducks says, why haven't you been taking your medicine
and tries to encourage you to get onto a regular skee.
The biggest problem that I see with this is just

(40:04):
read nineteen eighty four, read Brave New World. Watch the
movie is It The Island with Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson,
where they're like they're they're clones grown underground and then
when they think, oh, we get to get out of here,
We're going to the Island, but they're really just being
harvested for their parts. So every time Ewan McGregor would

(40:29):
go and take a piss, the smart toilet, which Stanford
University is working on now and just about has it
ready for market. Every time Ewan McGregor would piss into
the smart toilet, the smart toilet would talk back to
him and be like, it looks like you're eating a
bit too much sodium. It looks like you didn't take
your pills yesterday. It looks like blah blah blah blah blah.

(40:49):
So now you have AI reporting on you if you
don't take your medicine. So this is this is the
direction I feel like that we're getting into, especially with
the World Economic Forum and where they're headed into this.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy about it. That's
really the subscription based model. Everyone has Spotify now barely

(41:11):
anyone buys their music. Meaning if at any point Spotify
decides to cancel you, which if you think, oh, they
would never do that, think again. All companies that are
subscription based models, meaning they own everything of theirs. You
get access to it if you pay monthly, but as
soon as they decide you're not worthy, they can cancel you.

(41:33):
All that money you paid, you don't get any of
that product. You only get the memory of the experience
you had with them. So now we're stepping into this
world where everything's subscription based. Everything is controlled by the
financial class, monitored through data and monitored through the five
G grid and the Internet of things, all the way
down to the Internet of bio nano things which get

(41:54):
inside your body and report on you from a nanostructure
inside your body. You know, I took that from psychedelics
all the way down to the nanostructure of the body.
But this is where colonization is headed. Colonization isn't just
white people came over to the New World and exterminated
you know, brown and red people. This is getting all

(42:15):
the way down to your psyche and the nanostructure of
your DNA and your cellular biology is being colonized. Psychedelics
are helping you become suggestible. And I am a firm
advocate of psychedelics done in their indigenous, original container. I
am not a fan of what I'm seeing happening with

(42:35):
psychedelics through IPOs because they're not respecting any of the history,
and in fact, they want to erase the history. They
want to make it seem And I'm making a blanket
statement here, so I want to be honest about that.
I haven't researched every single company, but I would hazard
to say that it doesn't matter what company you go

(42:55):
to and what their ethos is, they're under the thumb
of those seventeen you know, thirteen to seventeen companies that
control the entire financial class. That's the world that we're
finding ourselves in. Psychedelics are no psychedelics. I'm trying to
get people to wake up to this without what we
were talking about at the beginning, this conspiracy thing, thinking,

(43:19):
Oh my god, the world and the problems of the
world are too big for me. I'm just this little
one and seven billion, little speck of dust. I'm trying
to get people to wake up to what's actually happening
in the world, so then we can step up into
our potential. And there's reason to do it. Like if

(43:40):
you're comfy, if you're fat and lazy on your sofa,
netflixing and chilling all the time, there's nothing that's pressuring
you to step into your potential. So I'm actually saying
that all these things I'm talking about, the conspiracy in
the world is a good thing, but only if we
utilize it for the potential that it holds. If we
ignowre knowledge, shit, something must be done. This is something

(44:03):
that we need to wake up to and then we
step up into our potential because there's a reason we
want future generations to have more freedom than we have today.
We don't want this general trend towards an erosion of
our freedoms to where everything is a subscription based model.
We don't want that for our children. That's my inspiration

(44:24):
to step into my higher potential for my children and
their children and their children.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Right on, man one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Now I want to get to the connections to human
health and pharmaceuticals in our whole medical industry and how
it's basically kind of grooming us to this metaverse age
that you're talking about, this transhuman age that we're going to.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
But first you.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Mentioned how you know that the natural psychedelics, well, for me,
the natural psychedelics have a major I notice a major
difference between them. So say magic mushrooms, you know, those
have always been like go to because it's a spiritual experience.
For me. Every time I feel like it's a spiritual experience,
I learn something. Whenever I get in touch with.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
My higher self.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
It actually encourages me to take care of childhood trauma,
to research things that have happened in my past, to
you know, work on myself, and it's a much more
spiritual experience. And say LSD, when I've taken LSD in
the past, it's like, you know, makes me want to
go out and party or two like, you know, hang
out with friends or to a dance.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Club or something stupid.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
You know, something that kind of connects me into the
material world. And you know, I'm wondering these new kind
of cocktails that you're talking about that they're wanting to
implement what that could do to the human psyche as
far as maybe pulling us away from the spiritual aspects
that we seek in nature when we're doing these more
natural psychedelics like ayahuasca or magic mushrooms.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, you know, this is a really interesting territory to
get into because there's two elements this. I totally agree.
You know, LSD does not have the same depth to
it that mushrooms or ayahuasca does. However, it's not that
it can't. Like I've had, I've had profoundly transformative experiences

(46:17):
on LSD, but I was ready for it, and it's
not always. You can't always get there. The one thing
that I want to say is there is this thing
about the passage of time where the old world we
are rapidly leaving the old world, and it breaks my
heart that if you look at what spirituality has almost

(46:43):
throughout time been connected with nature, the elements, the earth,
the trees, the plants, the animals, their meaning, their significance.
And what we're talking about is when you do a psychedelic,
you're really looking at things in a novel way, and
you really like, let's say our ancestors, they would, you know,

(47:05):
take some psilocybin mushrooms and I mean this could even
been like one hundred thousand years ago. Takes some psilocybin
mushrooms and then all of a sudden they see an eagle, right,
a bald eagle, and this eagle swoops down and it
picks up a fish from the water, and it goes
up to a tree and it sits there and it
perches and it starts eating that fish. Under the influence

(47:30):
of a psychedelic you can look into that and being like, whoa,
I understand this in the whole new level that these
creatures from the sky, you know, you know, can move
down into the water to catch their food. And the
water element like what is it? It's always flowing, it's
always taking the form of whatever vessel that it's in,

(47:51):
and the same with the air on the outside, and like,
you know, there's these creatures that their wings back the
air and they come down and they eat these these
creatures that their fins flap the water, but not the
other way around. You're not seeing fish eat birds like,
this is an interesting phenomenon. They're breaking down the meaning.

(48:11):
You see. What's happening is a psychological process of teasing
apart the meaning of an event that that individual witnessed.
And this gives rise to all these totem meanings of
animals or animal cards or divination and ways of teasing
apart meaning that's already in front of us, Like taro.

(48:33):
I don't know if you know this, but taro is
not predictive of the future. It's reflective of your consciousness.
So if you do a taro spread, yeah, like it's
a lot of people, will you know dismiss taro thinking
that it's just it doesn't have any intelligence. Well, intelligent
people made this, and these are archetypal aspects of this

(48:55):
multi dimensional prism called life. And when you take these
cars words and you reflect upon the symbols and you
read the meaning of it, you're discerning it based upon
your context. So I need to give that kind of
preface to say that when you take psychedelics and then
you go into the metaverse, you can still go through

(49:17):
that process. Being detached from nature doesn't mean that your
process of discernment is down or offline. You can still
go into that process of discernment, but there's a difference.
The difference is you see an eagle in the metaverse
come and pick up this fish and go and eat it,

(49:39):
same exact experience, And some part of you knows a
human programmed this, right, it's not a mystery. A human
programm to this. Now, maybe one hundred thousand years in
the future we come, we forget that, you know, the
metaverse and all these things didn't just happen, didn't just
grow out of nature. Humans built it, which I guess

(50:01):
could be looked at has grown out of nature. So
the interesting thing about it is is like we are
separating ourselves from nature, and with the five G grid
going up, we're going to start seeing a lot more
problems with nature because trees have to be cut down
because it's blocking the five D signals, rain is absorbing it.

(50:23):
It's also causing massive health problems, not just in humans,
but also in bees, migratory birds, butterflies. So we're already
witnessing an extinction event in slow motion. That's what you know.
Humanity in the nineteen hundreds all the way up to
today is experiencing is an extinction event. In slow motion.

(50:44):
We have enough time to where we can talk about
it and we can say we need to stop this,
or we need to change this, and we're pointing the
finger around. But the bottom line is is the psychedelics.
I've heard a lot of people from Terrence m Terrence
McKenna all the way to his brother Dennis McKenna say,
I think psychedelics are causing us to want to help

(51:06):
nature out because nature is dying. And then I've also
heard people say I think psychedelics are here just in
time for this extinction event to help us adapt to
the future that we're about to step into. That's a
horrifying thought that psychedelics aren't here to save the day
and we're going to go back to a world with

(51:28):
all these all this biodiversity and incredible nature, that it
might be there to help our DNA mutate and to
help us adapt to stressors, Like you know, it's not
just the sun giving off radiation anymore. It's every five
G tower and satellite up in the sky that's bombarding

(51:51):
our systems. And the psychedelics may be here to help
us adapt to this new technotronic future. Humans are fusing
with technology psychedelics may actually help that along. I want
to end this rant on this. It's very easy for
us to Marshall mclewin has this quote, we drive into

(52:11):
the future using our rear view mirrors only, meaning the
way that we dictate how we should move into the
future is predicated upon what we believe and what we've
learned by looking into the rear view mirrors into the past.
And so we have this human way of saying this
is good, this is bad, this is right, this is wrong.

(52:34):
We should do this, we shouldn't do that right. We
have all these ways of shoulding and shouldn'ting life. One
thing that psychedelics has shown me is don't hold onto
your beliefs of what should or shouldn't be. The Taoism,
the Dowdy Ching even says this life is change. The

(52:54):
whole thing about life is change. And that doesn't mean
we should just go limp and say all right, whatever,
transhuman future, come on, I guess you're cool now that
Ben said that, Like, No, I don't think that's the
way I think we need to hold I think what
the awakening is. There's an awakening happening right now. Psychedelics
are part of it. But I think conspiracy is a

(53:16):
part of it. I think the fact that the world
is changing rapidly. I think this extinction event is part
of our awakening in slow motion as well. So we're
having this awakening and we're coming to terms with the
fact that it's almost like politics. Man, you stand for
what you believe in, and a lot of us are like,
I will not compromise on this, this, this, or this, Okay,

(53:39):
will you compromise on this? Ah? Man, that's that's too
close to grooming people for you know, like pedophilia and
stuff like that. And you know, I don't know if
you've heard in school, you know these kids, these influencers,
you young kids stripping on stage down to their underwear,
stripping on stage for money. And the people on the

(54:00):
right are like, that's grooming, And the people on the
left are like, come on, get over your prude, blah
blah blah. And it's like, okay, but where do you stand.
What if you're very against abortion, you're very against taking
the guns from the people, and you're fairly firm on
kids not stripping down to their underwear and you know,

(54:22):
getting paid money. I'm just hypothetical. If the left was
really this close to taking your guns away from you,
would you be a little bit lenient in grooming children?
This is what politics is all about. And don't worry
about answering that question. I'm bringing up a hypothetical because

(54:45):
this is what politics is all about, man, And this
is what I think a lot of people are starting
to wake up to. I don't live in a world
full of a bunch of altruistic people. When I was born,
I was a little kid, I thought humans are I
thought adults had their shit together. I thought they were intelligent.
Now I grow up and I realize that they're wounded

(55:05):
children that grew up but never grew up, if you will.
And a lot of them are into pedophilia. A lot
of them are into really really sick stuff, right. Some
of them are into killing children unborn. Some of them
are into killing children up to six hours or two
days after they're born.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Some of them, you know, by the way, the Spartans
did that if you were deformed, they would throw you
off a cliff. So we go through all these epochs
and cycles of what's right, what's wrong, what should we
be allowed to do, and who's going to enforce it?
There's all this gray area like people are like anarchy
would be great and more libertarian dream it would be great. Okay,

(55:44):
you do understand that that means that on the other
side of town, shit can get a little weirder and
it can go into a little bit more inhuman way
of going because you protect your own, you take care
of things on a local level, and you don't bother
yourself in so much foreign politics, even if it's on

(56:04):
the other side of town. You hear where I'm going
with this. That's the world that we're stepping into. And
I think psychedelics in the main IPO companies are here
to also get us to open up to the fact that, ah,
maybe we're going to have to make some political style
sacrifices and say, I believe firmly in this and this,

(56:26):
I kind of believe firmly in that, but I'm willing
to compromise in that so these don't get affected. And psychedelics,
I think, are here, not by the psychedelics themselves, not
the intelligence of the plants, but by the intelligence of
the financial class to say, listen, if we want to
be a one world, if we want a one world government,

(56:47):
if we want one world regulation. Guess what we need
to have. We need to have trace and track technology everywhere,
knowing what you're up to. But hey, if you're into
grooming and that's not illegal anymore in this part part
of town, go to that part of town and do
that creepy stuff over there. I think we're headed into
a world where the Hunger Games may not be far off.

(57:09):
And I'm being perfectly serious about that. That was almost
a vision I believe that had for Australia when they
started dropping off criminals in Australia like it was a
prison island. I think we're stepping into a weirder world
than we understand, and that's why psychedelics are now going
to be household pill bottles.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
That's so interesting, and you know, I have to agree
with so much of that. It's we live in fascinating
and terrifying times. At the same time, I want to
get to your ideas and maybe thoughts on solutions and
impossible individual accountability during these times. But I do want
to touch on the health and pharmaceutical aspects that have

(57:54):
been kind of grooming us to this transhuman era that
we're going too. It seems like with everything that we've
been fed all the food, all the medicines, all the pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It's changing us.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
On you know, a level of a DNA level, on
a biological level, to where we're not the same humans
that we used to be. And it makes me wonder
if we're being bred to be a part of this
you know, metaverse, to be a part of this technological
age to where we don't have to rely on our
you know, just traditional self, on our own bodies on
that you know, the way humans used to heal themselves naturally.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm of the belief and I'll
say this is because of all my research and then
also just you know, an intuition. The more I look
at it, the world is like this grand experiment right now,
and a lot of it is being run by the

(58:52):
financial class, and it comes from something that's you know,
a little bit older and may look a little bit
more like magic Inokian magic coming from the you know,
medieval times. I believe that what we're really seeing, especially
in health and in medicine and in agriculture with genetically

(59:14):
modified foods and stuff like that, if you look at
how genetic modification happens. It's not new. Humans didn't invent
genetic modification. Viruses have been doing it for you know,
hundreds of millions or billions of years, and probably before
that if there really is life on other planets, depending
on your viewpoint of what the planet is and all that. So,

(59:36):
viruses have been genetically and parasites and bacteria have been
genetically modifying other creatures. It's just it's something that's been
happening for quite some time. Now that human intelligence has
been mixed with it, it's on an accelerated path. So
much of what you'll get in a grocery store, which

(59:57):
is now the main way people get their food, which
is interesting, you know, like that's a blip in that's
a blink of an eye in historical terms, that we
go to the store and get our food primarily. And
you're lucky if you find a house that has a
garden and people that actually eat from their very own garden,
you're lucky. That's brand new in history. So you want

(01:00:19):
to talk about transhuman we were in it before any
technology had to be applied to us. You know, these
are the stepping stone processes of it, and now we're
eating in those grocery stores. To finish that point, we're
eating a lot of food that's genetically modified, whether we
know it or not, all the way to keto. You know,
my wife was just saying, like, man, everything's keto these days,

(01:00:42):
everything like keto bar. Buy this Keto bar and it's
got tons of sugar in it, And I was like,
you know why that works legally is because if that's
the only sugar you get for the day, you will
stay in ketosis. Meaning it's not a Keto bar, like
it's just a bar like most other bars, but they're
labeling it in a different way. So to stay on point,

(01:01:04):
the genetic modification of humans has been happening for quite
some time, recently since twenty twenty, and even before that
it's been part of the public zeitgeist. That's like, whoa
wait a minute, what if this was created in a lab? Now,
remember what I told you. Viruses have been changing DNA

(01:01:24):
for a long time, So if this was created in
a lab and was spread to millions of people, then
if you think about that, you could look at that
as a genetic modification experiment by a very small group
of people spread across the world. And now if there's
even signature and trainment, meaning it doesn't have to be

(01:01:46):
a piece of technology. But if you can detect remotely
who's had COVID and who hasn't, then you know exactly
where that technology is spread. You know whose genetic material
has been modified. So now we're getting into the point
where the technologies that are coming about in the Internet
of bodies, all the way to transcranial stimulation, to implants

(01:02:09):
in the brain, that can cause for potential let's say pedophiles,
to have those urges suppressed before they even emerge. Now
everyone's going to cheer for that, right, Oh well, of course,
do it to the pedophiles, right, But where does that
technology go from there? You think they're going to stop

(01:02:31):
at the pedophiles. They'll come up with a way. And
when I say they, there's a very specific day. It's
not just the general deep state. They will come up
with a way to make sure that this implanting or
transcranial stimulation can be even more remote and affect all demographics. Eventually,

(01:02:53):
that's the wet dream of the financial class is to
have everything data mind. Everything comes down to data and
information transfer. So that's where the transhuman agenda is really going.
Is again, we were stuck in this slow motion transition.
It's not just going to happen overnight. We're stuck in

(01:03:13):
this slow motion transition to where we can eventually be
hijacked remotely. And I do believe that the beam forming
technology inside five G will have an ability to be
able to tap into any let's say, chemtrails or you
know whatever that's dropped nanoparticles and you've breathed it in,

(01:03:34):
or you've somehow got it's in the water supply, you
got it into your body. You have nanoparticles inside you.
Now beam forming technology with five G will be able
to isolate you in space and time and affect the
frequency of your body. This isn't Star Trek or Star
Wars way way off in the future. This is already present.

(01:03:57):
You know, this is already present. In nineteen eighty three,
the Monroe Institute, Department of the Army was talking about
decoupling the brain hemispheres with vibration alone remotely. So this
is this is where I believe it's headed. I can
go deeply into like different offshoots of where I think
the transhuman agenda is going, but I believe that to

(01:04:19):
answer your question about personal accountability and what can we do.
I really believe that the you know, the deepest solution
we can find is we really need to start our
self our self discovery process, meaning we really need to

(01:04:40):
go and yes, meditation, but it's it's deeper than just
sitting down, closing your eyes and lotus position and meditating.
It's really deeply reflecting upon all of your behaviors, all
of your actions, all of your words, and understanding that
there's a driver that drives all these things before they

(01:05:01):
get to the point where you act. And the reason
I say that is most people they don't know why
they behave the way they behave And if I were
to ask you, why did you just do that? And
there are studies where if you actually decouple the brain
hemispheres and you let somebody with the right eye look
at a beautiful prairie and then like all of a sudden,

(01:05:24):
you know, on the left side you're showing pornography. They're
only aware of what they're seeing with their right eye,
but with the left eye it still picks it up somehow.
And in these studies, what they found was that all
of a sudden, the pornography will flash into their eyes

(01:05:46):
and the woman who's in doing the test will start
blushing and giggling, and the person will ask, Okay, why
did you just And by the way, the hemispheres were
surgically cut, so it's not communicating between the hemispheres, and
so the doctor would say, why did you just giggle?
Right there? Every single time, the patient would come up

(01:06:09):
with an excuse that wasn't true. Oh, it's because I
saw a butterfly. Because their their language center didn't register
the pornography. The language center only registered the prairie and
so like, oh, I guess it was the butterfly that
went by, and they'll state it as fact, not I
guess it was because of that butterfly. So this really

(01:06:30):
gets down to most people do not know why they
behave the way they behave. Now we're starting to get
into a world like the matrix, where it's going to
be more and more difficult to understand what's real reality
and what's fake news. What has been sent to my
phone for me and not to other people, you know,
like is this really reality or is this a contrived

(01:06:53):
reality to make me think a certain way? Because that's
where we're headed. So the only real personal accountability solution
that I can give to people that's free, not like
go to my seminar and dohah blah blah blah. No,
it's absolutely free. And it comes down to really acknowledging
and being present with all of your decisions and behaviors.

(01:07:16):
Because if you're able to introduce an intercept or a
little interrupt in between input and then output, meaning your behavior,
then you'll come to realize that it doesn't matter what
the input is, you can gracefully control the output. And
this is when you see a Buddhist monk pouring gasoline

(01:07:38):
over himself and lighting himself on fire and not then
screaming and trying to path the flames out, but just
sitting there almost looking like in bliss while all the
nerve endings are being burnt off the skin and he's
slowly dying, or like body satvas that have experience the deepest,

(01:08:01):
darkest realities, so they instead of just being in bliss
and living in an ashram, they go to Mexico City,
one of the most polluted, crime ridden places, and people
ask why you could live anywhere, you could live in
the most beautiful osherm why would you go there? Because
that's where help is needed the most. The point that
I'm driving at is they realize that pain and pleasure

(01:08:24):
are not the reasons that we're here. They're good, they're
they're great teachers, but they're not the actual focal point
of why we're here. We are here to learn, and
we're also here to serve. We're here to learn and
we're here to serve. So my grand point here is
the greatest thing that we can do is come to

(01:08:46):
realize that we're going to start getting a flood, a
tidal wave of false input. If we can't interrupt that
before it turns into a behavior, then we'll just justify it.
Oh you know, hey, why did you kill that guy? Oh?
Well it was because of blah blah blah, and I
don't even really know, because something was hijacking my neural

(01:09:07):
circuitry remotely, which the technology is being worked on and
perfected at this very moment. That's the point. We need
to understand that your behavior can be decoupled from the
input and you can sit in an altruistic, beautiful space

(01:09:28):
inside you regardless of the input that's coming in. And
by the way, all social media that comes through our
phones is input, and its input that, if you look
at it, predominantly is there to get your nervous system
aroused to feel that there's a threat in your environment
and point out who the boogeyman is, right, who's the boogeyman? Well,

(01:09:50):
it's all those people on the right that refuse the vaccine,
that's the boogeyman. Or it's all those people on the
left that are grooming kids for pedophilia. And it's all
this input, and it's all most of it is truth
mixed with lies. So we'll accept it because of the
eighty percent of truth, and then it'll keep us from

(01:10:12):
being able to see it for what it really is.
With the twenty percent of lives, we're stepping into a
brand new world. The matrix is real. We need self mastery,
self ownership.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
And you would, I would say add to that, I
just unplug yourself from from as much of the matrix
as possible. Uh, you know, don't don't participate in the
agendas and the bs and concentrate on your own sovereignty
and where your consciousness and spirituality is headed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
And that's why for me, Yeah, yeah, but but so unplug.
I want to add a caveat to what I believe
would work with that unplugged from it. But if it's
the direction that everything is headed and it's it is all,
it's informing you also, and here's the paradox of it.
It's not just informing you. It's trying to hijack you

(01:11:04):
at the same time as it's informing you of what
other people are being hijacked by. So if you unplug completely,
then you don't even really know what other people are
being hijacked by. So there's this thing about you want
to unplug from the full force of the danger. But

(01:11:26):
there's this thing to be said about disconnecting yourself so completely,
because I know a lot of people that are like
I just want to run off into the mountains, right
and avoid all of this, right, Well, then you're you're
just gonna die one day, maybe happy, that's fine, but
you will have never touched community again. You just hid
for the rest of your life. So there's something about

(01:11:47):
this unplug yourself to a certain extent, and then when
you're about to plug yourself back in, that's when your
mastery needs to come in. I'll just remind the audience
about when we're talking about psych delics, I said, integration
is huge. It's it's probably number one. It's not about
the mind blowing experience. It's about how you step back

(01:12:08):
into conventional reality. Right you go down to the Amazon,
your mind is blown out. You realize it's your diet,
it's TV, it's all this stuff that's toxifying your body
in your mind. And then you come back home and
everybody's just in it so naturally that you're like, ah,
there's this weird schism between that thing that I just
learned and this deep groove that makes me want to

(01:12:32):
just sit back down and watch the TV and eat
that same food again. So what I think is we
need to unplug to do the work of really mastering
the self. But how do you battle test that. It's
like the kid that came out with all this wisdom,
out of all this knowledge out of college, but hasn't

(01:12:52):
battle tested it. To plug yourself back in. That's the
way that you battle test what you've learned. Because real bodhisatva,
a real sage can go to the most dangerous territory
and still stay in their center. What I am saying
is that the metaverse is becoming the matrix, and people

(01:13:13):
are dying to plug themselves into it. They're dying to
plug themselves. So what those who understand what's happening need
to do is find your center and then bring your
center into some of those places. I'm not telling people
to go into the metaverse. I'm not telling, but I
am saying, if you find that there is a use

(01:13:34):
for your phone, if you find that there is a
use for your technology and there can be some good,
exploit the good. Go in and exploit the good. Find
your center to keep you from falling into the traps
of the not so good and the terrible. And that
is how you will use technology as a tool for

(01:13:56):
the awakening for good. But if you completely remove yourself
from it, then what you're doing is you're placing a
wall between you and many of your brothers and sisters
that are well intentioned, but they're actively in the matrix.
So it's the difference between exiting the matrix and never
going back and saying fuck that, or being neo and

(01:14:16):
being like, send me back in because we need to
rescue some more people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Yes, man, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Great stuff, And then there's so much more we could discuss.
I'm definitely gonna have to have you back on soon
in the future. We could hit so many amazing topics.
Before you go, let the audience know where they can
find you. Website, social media, all the good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, go to Benjosephstewart dot com. That's b E n
j O s E p H s T E w
ar t dot com. So Benjoseph Stewart dot com is
a storehouse for all my media. You can find all
my films there except for the stuff that I did
for Gaya, which is psychedelica and limitless. You'll find podcast there.

(01:15:01):
You'll find the Waking Infinity news show that I do
every single Monday. So if you go to YouTube, backslash,
by Chance or Fate, you will find my On my
YouTube channel, I have Monday content comes out every single
Monday and it's basically news. It's talking about some of
the hottest topics of the day of the week. And

(01:15:23):
then on Tuesdays, I have a subscriber section where I
do exclusive content just for the exclusive members, So you
can sign up on Benjosphstewart dot com. Every Thursday at
five pm Eastern, I go live on YouTube and Twitch
on my podcast, so that's where you can find me
and I encourage everybody to get involved on the discord chat,

(01:15:45):
which is free, and that's the whole greater community talking
about all the topics that I bring.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Up right on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Man, Well, thank you so much. This was fantastic and
like I said, we'll definitely have to do this again
in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Beautiful. Yeah, I appreciate it, man, I appreciate you bringing
me on good podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Thank you so much. Yeah, we'll definitely do it again.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
be talking again Sunday, I think so. If not Monday,
we'll see it then. Today I want to welcome Kathy O'Brien.
She is a nationally and internationally recognized US government whistleblower

(01:16:22):
on the subject of MK ultra mind control and healing
from it in nineteen ninety five, when the US National
Security Act was invoked on her testimony for US Congressional
Permanent Select Committees on Intelligence Oversight. That testimony was released
through her book, Transformation of America, written with Mark Phillips.

(01:16:43):
The documentary movie Trance, the Kathy O'Brien Story of mind control,
human slavery, and Healing the Nation, was released this year
and provides comprehensive insight into how mind control affects us
all and how we can reclaim freedom, just as did Kathy. Welcome,
how you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Doing, wonderful? Thank you for this opportunity to bring truth
to light.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Yes, your testimony is I believe, one of the most
important accounts in history when it comes to these black
projects like MK Ultrah. Now we're going to be discussing
not only your experiences, but your documentary and book Trance,
as well as your insights regarding solutions on how to
eliminate these dark, cleandestine operations.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
But today I want to start from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
This is your first time on because it's so important
for the audience to understand the aspects of this. There's
been an unfortunate kind of woo woo stigma surrounding MK
Ultra at times, so and this is such a very
real thing, so it's very important. Let's start at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
How did this all start for you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Yes, I'm glad you said that about the woo woo part,
because knowledge is our defense against mind control, so it's
very It's been important from the very beginning to suppress
the knowledge and of course put misinformation out about it,
like that it's about LSD, when in fact it's about
MK ultra mind control that came over with Project paper Clip,

(01:18:18):
with the importation of Nazi and FACIAS scientists into the US.
So by the time I was born in nineteen fifty
seven in Misskegan, Michigan, and had already been determined through
the Hitler Himmler research that was brought over the CIA
was trying to make a more powerful form of mind control,
was already determined that pedophilia is the ultimate trauma base

(01:18:43):
for mind control. It's because of the way our brains
respond to trauma and sexual abuse of a child, especially
prior to age five while their brain is still For me,
is one of the most horrific traumatic things that can
possibly happen to the human brain. It's my father was
sexually abusing me from infancy. So it's not like I

(01:19:04):
could think to judge what he was doing was wrong,
you know, I mean, there wasn't any capacity for that.
But my brain knew that I was experiencing the pain
and suffocation of his abuse, so it actually physically shut
down neuron pathways in my brain to compartmentalize memory of
that event. That's also known as repress memory. But it's

(01:19:27):
just the way our brains respond and it actually physically
shuts down those neuron pathways so the rest of the
mind can function normally. This is a defense mechanism that
you know, we have been graced with this amazing ability
of our brains. We just need to understand it because
the pedaphology end to being pushed on our children has

(01:19:49):
a very deliberate mind control purpose. So the fact that
I was in a multi generational incests based fan family
is what made me a target for MK Ultra mind control.
And my father's sexual abuse of me exended into child pornography,

(01:20:11):
and he also was trafficking me at a very very
early age to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge. And the
Blue Masonic Lodge is where a lot of politicians were
hanging out and you know, police officers or whatever. So
when my father was caught sending child pornography of me

(01:20:31):
through the US Males, this was in the very early
nineteen sixties, he was granted immunity for prosecution if he
would agree to sell me into the CIA's MK Ultra
mind control project. That literally picked up where Adolf Hitler
left off. You know, my father thought it was a
great idea and sold me in. Well, the politician that

(01:20:56):
approached my father with that immunity option was a local
politician by the name of Gerald Ford, and Gerald Ford
went on to become the unelected president of the United States.
He investigated the so called investigated the Kennedy assassination, which

(01:21:17):
was just to cover up through the Warrant Commission, because
that was an event that traumatized the nation. And again,
trauma is the basis of mind control. And as Ford's
political career escalated, so tooted my victimization and ka ultra
mind control.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Well, now, when were you able to and how were
you able to break free from all of this?

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
I was in MK ultra mind control used on a
White House Pentagon level during the Reagan Bush administration. I
was trafficked in the human trafficking ops, which is a
funding mechanism of the global rese going on right now.
What Adolf Hitler, George Bush, and Joe Biden termed the

(01:22:06):
New World Order, because ultimately that's what it's about. It's
the New World Order agenda that came over with Project
paper Clip and has been infiltrated in the United States
for a long long, long time, so I was used
in those particular operations right up until nineteen eighty eight
when intelligence insider Mark Phillips, who is working the highest

(01:22:30):
levels of intelligence mind sciences, he was over the CIA.
He could wear whatever hat he needed to to be
where he wanted for whatever purpose that he was he
was carrying out. But ultimately he worked mind sciences, and
he was appalled to see that MK ultra mind control
was being used on individuals like myself who were targeted

(01:22:55):
for it, and on the population as a whole for
the take over of the United States, for the erosion
of our constitution and the selling us out into the
globalist slave society agenda. He was so outraged he decided
to do something about it. He rescued my daughter and

(01:23:16):
me right out of the Washington, DC human trafficking swamp
that was back in nineteen eighty eight, and he handed
me the keys to my mind because while he was
working mind sciences, he was disturbed to see that pertinent
information on mind brain function was being suppressed from society,
from mental health, and from education completely. It was being

(01:23:40):
suppressed because knowledge is are defense against mind control, and
that they didn't want us to have the knowledge of
our mind brain function, because when we have that information,
we can protect ourselves against the onslaught of subconscious manipulation.
In the wake of trauma, Mark wanted to get that

(01:24:01):
information out to the population. He knew that they were
going to be waking up to the reality of this
new world order, slave society agenda, and he wanted to
empower people with the sanctity of free thought. Everything that
Marked worked for and dedicated his life to was free thought.
And how important it is, and I know from my

(01:24:23):
own life's experience how crucial it is, because without free thought,
there's no free will, and with no free will, there's
no sole expression. There's no ability to stand for the
things that we believe in. There's no strength of the
human spirit, which is an infinite source of strength that
empowers us to be able to take a stand to
stop the pedophile agenda being pushed on our children, to

(01:24:45):
stop this take over our nation and the erosion of
our justice system. These are things that are sacred, and
yet all this was being deliberately rodd and people's minds
were being manipulated so that they couldn't think to take

(01:25:06):
a stand against it either. That's what the mind control
agenda is about, and that's what is being imposed on
society today. That's what Mark Phillips dedicated his life to
stopping and he made a huge, powerful impact, a real
hero to all to us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
All, yes, and I do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
I want to get into the mass scale of the
mind control, how it works on all of us. But
as far as individuals individual targeting, would you say that
they either it's either multi generational where they keep it,
you know, within certain families, or they target people with
like you said, mental illnesses.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Well, in my case, they knew that because I was
multi generational in saspace, that I would already be suffering
from a dissociative identity disorder. This dissociative disorder is where
the conscious mind takes flight and leaves the subconscious wide

(01:26:09):
open to being easily led. Our subconscious mind doesn't work
like our conscious mind. It has no ability to reason, question, critically,
analyze information, choose what it allows to force to respond to,
none of that. It just takes information in on a
very literal basis. And that's what we need to become

(01:26:31):
aware of, is that the vulnerability of our subconscious mind.
And after three generations, that vulnerability becomes autogenic. That's what
the Hitler Himmler research had found out. That's what was
brought over with Project paper Clip. And by nineteen forty seven,
when the CIA was formed in the National Security Act

(01:26:53):
and in place to cover up this globalist agenda and
the crimes against humanity that will be in p P traded
by them for the purposes of trauma based mind control,
then this form among control was already well known and
was being accentuated and used even stronger on the population.

(01:27:17):
But also, you know, we had technology coming in at
the time, and we had television and everything else that
was really having an impact. We had Disney, you know,
to already start putting this subliminal message into push the
pedophile agenda, you know, so it was becoming a much
more powerful form of mind control. But I was targeted
because I was multi generational. When we realized that if

(01:27:41):
they can target three generations like they have through our
education system, when the federal government started meddling in the
school system and made states reliant on federal funding, they
also pushed the agenda and they altered history. They wrote it.
Because mind control is a sliding scale from robotic mind

(01:28:06):
control like I experienced to information control because think about it,
we all formulate our thoughts, opinions, and actions based on
what we know, and we didn't know that knowledge base
has been deliberately altered for the purposes of ushering in
this new world order. And since the schools became dependent

(01:28:27):
on the federal government back in nineteen eighty four, we've
got generations now that are marching to new world orders
as per the knowledge base from within the school system.
So yes, the generations are important for targeting the people
for mind control and for conditioning the brain to be

(01:28:49):
more compliant and receptive. And it's also something that these
perpetry traders use in their own bloodlines to make sure
that they pass on the psychopathy the controls of this
new world order.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah, yeah, that yeah. Now what about mental illness? Do
you do you think that they outside of multi generational aspects,
do you think they just in certain ways target people
with mental illnesses.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Well, it depends on the if the illness is conducive
to mind controlled. Dissociative disorders are what is most conducive
to mind control, and then we need to consider the
pharmaceuticals that have been pushed on our children and everything
else to render them more compliant and easily led to.
That's another aspect of mind control. It's not as much

(01:29:47):
a mental illness at that time. We hear about people
who are bipolar or schizophrenic, and we need to look
a little further into some of those diagnoses because there
is no diagnosis of MK ultra mind control, you know
what I mean. So when we look at those we
see that they're often miss labeled and it's a misnomer

(01:30:09):
and oftentimes a diversion away from the reality of MK
ultra mind control. So, you know, like a presidential model
MK ultra mind control slave in Canada who was the
wife of Pierre Trudeau. Pierre Trudeau was one of the

(01:30:31):
most powerful and influential MK ultra mind control masters that
has has ever been and he uses a pedophile agenda.
I know that because he sexually abused me. That was
validated with national security on it in my testimony Transformation
of America. So you know, Pierre Trudeau was heavily involved,

(01:30:54):
and his wife, Margaret Trudeau, was supposedly l bipolar or whatever,
when in fact Gerald Ford made it very clear that
she was an mk ultra mind control sex slave, just
like I was working on a presidential level, which raises questions, Okay,
who is Justin's father? Is his father Castro like some

(01:31:17):
people think because she did, no Castro could be. The
fact is Pierre Trudeau raised him, That pedophile, controlling, horrible
perpetrator raised Justin Trudeau. So we're seeing the generational thing
happening here. And also how the women in positions like Maggie,

(01:31:43):
she couldn't do anything to protect that situation raises a
question to me, Okay, did Pierre pass on his propensity
for mind control to Justin or is he i'mkultra like
his mother? Which one is he? You know, we need

(01:32:03):
to know that we need to start factoring mk ultra
mind control into the equation on politics because it is
very heavily used creating Manchurian candidates and or people who
are conditioned from birth to be compliant and lead into
the new world order. So again we got the multi
generational aspect. We need to know about the importance of

(01:32:27):
our own genetics.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Yeah, well, let's talk a little bit about the history.
You were talking about, how this kind of originated from
the Nazi scientists we brought over from paper Clip. What
were some of the original blueprints for mind control that
they were using.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
Well in my case, since since I was sexually abused
at such an early age, I'm most familiar with that aspect.
And I was used as a sex like because sexual
abuse of a child confuses their sexual and that's what
you know, gender confusion really is. It's just a misnomer

(01:33:05):
for the effects of pedophilia on the human mind. But
this I also had a heightened sexuality, so that's why
I was used in a sexual way to different government
leaders that would put them in compromising positions for blackmail.

(01:33:25):
The pedophile agenda is a blackmail agenda as well, because
it is used to compromise certain politicians and judges and
then hold them, you know, by that blackmail perversion. So
that is another aspect of it. And in MK Ultra
mind control project Monarch, which is the multi generational one,

(01:33:48):
another one that I was familiar with. It was being
raised in the project at the exact same time I
was just two hours down the road was Michael Jackson.
To see how Michael Jackson wasn't used as a sex slave.
And now all of a sudden, we're looking at males
because males are targeted just as much as females, and
they're used sexually or or in whatever capacity. And in

(01:34:13):
the case of Michael Jackson, he was used for his
talent because he was amazing talent. What what what a
gift to us? All his talent was, But nevertheless they
twisted it and used MK ultra mind control programming on
him to make him kind of a cash cow so
that the money that he generated wasn't really something that

(01:34:36):
he had so much control over, as fueled the New
World Order agenda that was using him. So now how
it's important you see.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Yeah, I was about to say, how prevalent is this
in Hollywood in celebrity circles, that they've been mind controlled
their whole lives to be this certain type of cash
cow star.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
Right, Yeah, it's very, very prevalent. We heard a lot
of people talking about it. Now there's so many MK
ultra mind control survivors coming out that the media is
freaking out. You know, that's the voice of the New
World Order that's there. That's how they amplify their voice.
That's like they're hiding behind the Wizard's curtain, pulling the

(01:35:20):
media levers to make it look like they're bigger and
more powerful than they are. But you know, so the
media is saying, oh, it was all just LSD and
these are just LSD hallucinations that people are talking about.
That is so not true. LSD was never used in
mk ultra mind control because it didn't work for mkulter

(01:35:40):
mind control, so you know that was that was done.
But look at all the stars who are talking about it.
It's so many that even the controlled media can't dilute
and suppress this information any further. And when we combine
it with what's happening with Disney, and look at anybody
who was raised in Disney, like the Britney spears of

(01:36:03):
our world, you know, and we look at that and
see all the mk ultra cries and please for help
that are affiliated with that. Disney is heavily involved in
mk ultra mind control, a pedophile agenda, end of it.
They also, I know from my own personal experience that's

(01:36:24):
validated again national security on it. National security protecting Disney's
pedophile mind control agenda. What the heck? You know, that's
just ridiculous. But they have an underground at Disney World.
This underworld at Disney World is a programming, a mind
control programming up a center, and another faction of our

(01:36:46):
brains is at around age thirty, we have these electrochemical
changes that naturally start opening those neuron pathways, are allowing
them to leak a little bit. It's when repress memory
starts to surface and on people and those who are
I'm k altr that's when they shave their head. That's
when they get institutionalized. That's when they're caught up in

(01:37:10):
different things and then flown to Disney World. Why are
they flown to Disney World because there's a reprogramming epicenter
under Disney World. We have military bases there because mkultra
is used on and by the US military, So we
have military bases in Disney. Think about that, you know,
I mean this is absurd. We need to just be

(01:37:31):
following the money. You can see, like even our mainstream LAK,
ABC and Disney are one and so we're getting bombarded
and with a lot of cover up and a lot
of misinformation, a lot of pedophilia promotion. That is all,
you know, going back to Disney. But my point in bringing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
That up not yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
But ultimately watches being to Disney. You know who's being
reprogrammed there? We saw it happen, you know, and the
ones who have come out of Disney. We need to
take a hard look at those people and see, you know,
if they're needing help, but if they're pleading for help.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Well, I mean, you know they should. They do show
us predictive programming all the time. They show us like
pornographic images and the cartoons and things that are trying
to lead kids to be more sexualized. And this has
been going on for years in Disney, so it's like
they have to kind of show us these little hints
on what they're doing. And I know that part of it,
part of even mass mind control is just Hollywood. It's

(01:38:36):
the movies, it's the media that we've been watching. It's
just it's brainwashing everybody on a mass gale.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
It is it is. And then the music too, you know,
we need to pay attention to harmonics, and now harmonics
vibrate the their own pathways of our brain to allow
information in, so you know, we need to choose our
lyrics very carefully and instead of having violent vitualization and
pedophilic promotion coming through music too. I think a really

(01:39:05):
good example on how the harmonics affect our neural pathways
is when people hear a song that they fell in
love to, you know, and they're like, they'll have a
squish moment together like like oh remember and we fell
in love and they have this this this, this moment
reactivated because of the song here in that hearing their
favorite song. But that's how our neurone pathways, you know,

(01:39:30):
open and close and keep this this particular kind of information.
And because of that, we need to be mindful of
what we allow into our brains because it's it comes
through TV too, it comes through video games especially, which
also promoting violence and pedophilia and is a form of

(01:39:52):
mind control. It comes through computerization. We need to just
pay attention to what we allow to go into our
brilliant minds. Our our free thought is sacred and we
need to start preserving the sanctity of it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Now, you were going over some of the applications for
for mind control when it comes to what they're having
people do in their lives, how they're controlling them. You
mentioned the the monarch and then the aspects of sexual control.
What else for an individual basis are we looking at
that they're that they're using mind control for what's the

(01:40:31):
desired agendas and outcomes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Well, I think that that brings to mind another basis
of mind control. When my father sold me into the project,
he was immediately flown to Boston, Massachusetts, where he was
trained by Cardinal Law of the Catholic Church. That's the
same Cardinal Law that was the head of the Catholic
Charlibut scandal that was finally exposed a few years back,

(01:40:57):
because of their sanctioning of pedophilia. Yeah, within the church,
it's because they wanted to be the one world church
in the New World Order, and they were allowing for
the promotion of pedophilia. But as soon as my father returned,
he had learned how to use the language of the
subconscious NLP near Old linguistic programming, which is something we

(01:41:20):
all need to armor ourselves with. That's pertinent information because
it manipulates our subconscious mind. And my father had a
sixth grade education and he learned it in two weeks
in Boston, you know, So it's not that complicated once
we understand the basis of it. My father also started

(01:41:41):
subjecting me to occult ritual Catholic Church was heavily involved
in mk ultra mind control and occult ritual that was
like the Satanism was like a reversal of the Catholic Mass,
and that horrible blood trauma is so horrifically tru that
it leaves people wide open to be an easily lad

(01:42:05):
through neuro linguistic programming, we're seeing a lot of Satanism
being sanctioned and a lot of Satanic images and attitudes
being promoted, which definitely includes the pedaphileogy under the two
merge very close.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
This is a very important aspect that you're bringing up
because very important researchers are looking into some of this stuff.
They hit the occult or satan worship or rituals and
they stop and they're like, nah, this can't be and
they just turn around.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
But this is one of the most important aspects.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
This is like a gateway to the real reality of
what these sick people are into, and that is a
dabbling in the occult and ritual magic. And you know,
this has been multi generational for them too.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
And people don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
To look at the aspects that this is involved. And
this is kind of where was the woo woo out?
This is where people stop looking. But this is one
of the most important parts because even if you don't
believe in uh Satanism or these occult rituals, they certainly
do and they are definitely participating.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Right, definitely. My primary mind control programmer was Lieutenant Colonel
Michael Aquino, the founder of the occult Templissat proliferating on
our military basis. And when Mark Phillips was studying a
mind sciences in the Psychological Warfare Division of the War College,
Michael Aquino was there studying too on how to use

(01:43:37):
Satanism to control the human mind. And it was my experience,
my experience having been around a Quino, that he didn't
believe in the power of satan per se. He believed
in himself more to be able to manipulate people with
blood trauma and murder and horrific you know, occult occultism.

(01:44:01):
If he could convince them that it was beyond their
realm to effect, that it was you know, a thearical,
then then that would just make people, you know, completely submissive.
And so that's why occultism is used that way. It's
they actually can't touch the human spirit, they can't possess

(01:44:21):
the human spirit because we have a safeguard mechanism there
It's like when I was being tortured so horrifically by
people like Aquino, my spirit would is always in a safe,
loving space. You know. We hear how when people are
like in an accident and see everything from above and
there's like a light that connects them, you know, down

(01:44:42):
below or whatever, and they're overseeing or whatever that is.
That was my experience in MK ultra mind control. My
spirit was always in a safe, loving space. So they
can't possess the spirit, but they fear the human spirit
because it's our strength. It's where we win, it's where
they lose. It's the the most powerful force in the universe.
It's what allows us to stand up against them. You know.

(01:45:05):
It's so it's such an amazing force that they wish
they could possess it, but they can't because that would
be like darkness creeping in on light. It doesn't work
that way. It's just not the scientific formula. So whether
they believe in it or whether they don't believe in it,
the fact that I know from having been around these

(01:45:26):
perpetrators in the swamp in Washington, d C. They are
very low vibration, they're very dark. They're evil energy force
that feeds off of negativity. They want to create division
in society. They want to create hatred. They feed off that.

(01:45:48):
They feed off the fear, they feed off the hate.
That's what they want to generate. That is their viration,
That's what they want, you know. So when I started
speaking out, when I regain my free thought, in my
free speech and was able to start exposing these perpetrators,
it wasn't vengeance or hatred for them that did it.

(01:46:10):
That compelled me. It was love for my own daughter.
It was love for humanity. It was concerned about the
plan that they had for humanity. So it was love.
So I've always lived the love. I am always shine love.
I live my strength of spirit, and I don't give
them anymore of my fear. They don't get any more hate,
they don't get any of that from me. They stole

(01:46:31):
enough of that long. I am not giving them anymore,
and I win, you know. So they only try to
appear more powerful than they are. But the fact is
they only have as much power as we give them,
you know it. Stop giving them fear, Stop caving into hate,

(01:46:54):
you know, stop letting them divide us, and rise above
all that and start living our lives purpose. We're all
here at this pivotal moment in time for a reason.
You know, this is this is an evolutionary time for humanity,
and we all have a purpose for being here, and
we need to live that purpose free above the storm,

(01:47:14):
you know, away from the fear, from their constant barrage.
We have been able to rise above it with a
great awakening to such a degree that they're like freaking out.
They're going all in, but they're being pretty wicked and
mean and violent.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Yeah, and then we're definitely I want to talk more
about this awakening and the grand plan that they're tempting
to do. I want to talk about that a little later, but.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
First I want to you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
You touched on this a little bit some of the
aspects of mind control, uh mind fracturing and creating of
different personalities or what's called alters. Maybe you could talk
a little bit about that and how fractured can a
person's mind be and how many, you know, kind of
alternate personalities can be created.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
That that's an excellent question. And PTSD tiny heel, which
is posted on my website, gives some insight into the
different aspects of my brain function like that and my
particular case, I was subjected to systematic ritualized trauma, the
systematic scientific formula that they have for creating like a

(01:48:26):
food deprivation to starve the brain, because our brains starve first,
you know which, when we look at how okay the
first thing they did when the schools said, no, you're
not going to be doing this pedophilogy, and in the
schools the federal government stepped in and said, okay, we're
taking away the kid lunch program. That's because they their

(01:48:46):
brains starve first if they're hungry. So they use that
kind of formula and a very deliberate, torturous formula to
create more and more and more compartment in the brain
which can then be programmed for NLP neurolinguistic programming or

(01:49:07):
the language of the subconscious. When my father had sexually
abused me as an infant, the part of my brain
that sectioned off every time my father would come to
sexually abuse me again, that part of my brain would
open back up to deal with his abuse again and
again is needed. And in a child who's just subjected

(01:49:28):
to various traumas, they do develop what appears to be
personalities and it's not multiple personalities. It's one personality that
shattered into these different compartments and these different projections because
that projection obviously was very sexual, because that's all that

(01:49:49):
compartment knew. Well. When the government put in the systematic
mk ultra programming, like what Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino was doing,
is taking the the trigger of that compartment. You know,
the trigger used to be my father's sexual abuse, and
they would put a verbal trigger in there instead, so
that it could be activated with a hand signal, it

(01:50:11):
could be activated with a harmonic tone, it could be
activated with a word, and that kind of activation is
something that is being used to activate a lot of
programmed sleepers or shooters, you know, for when they're wanting
to traumatize the nation with another school shooting or whatever.

(01:50:35):
Then they're activated, the people are traumatized, they show it
over and over and over on TV, and the then
the subconscious mind is manipulated, and of course right now
it's give up your guns, give up you Why are interested?

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
No, you're right. It's definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
One of the aspects I want to talk about is
assassins and a lot of the staged events that we
seen in the past decade to disarm us, just like
you were saying.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Right, yes, it's been. It's coming at us from a
lot of different directions. And the gun ones like that
are i think the most obvious and the most prolific
and the strongest used. And yet there's also been a
very slow erosion of a social engineering and the erosion

(01:51:29):
of masculinity, and this gender confusion is another aspect of that,
and approtion of transgendering of effeminate men and men and
women's sports and all like this is to try to
make the men more compliant, because men have that, you know,
that manliness that's going to stand up a little bit stronger.

(01:51:51):
But they've been conditioned through the modification of hormones in
our foods. We got to take back our foods from
the pharmaceutical companies and get them out of our lives.
We don't need that. We have amazing capabilities in our
own bodies. We don't need them meddling with our food

(01:52:11):
en hand sing it and creating all these artificial foods
to eat. And you know, we need to know that
men have been affected strongest, because they need to get
men to stand down and then turn over their guns.
So there is coming at them from different ways. Of course,

(01:52:32):
the so called feminist movement and everything else, which is
just you know, an excuse. I mean, I don't I'm
going to get in trouble with a lot of people
if I just keep going in a certain year.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
But this is all true. We need to hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Well, it's it's it's being socially engineered from a lot
of shoes, and we need to be aware of that
and start supporting the genetics that we're born with and
the masculine you know, it's not toxic, it's it's something
that's just needed in society. We need this balance. We

(01:53:08):
need it. We need it around us in so many ways.
But most of all, we need to hang onto our guns.
They want to take them away really bad. And wherever
people don't have guns is where the most violence is.
Look at the cities that have gun control laws. That's
where the violence in the US is. It's the Chicagos.
You know. We need to pay attention to that and

(01:53:29):
realize that they have no purpose in taking away our
guns other than to make us more helpless and submissive
to what they have planned for us. Because what they
have planned for us is horrific. We are just seeing
in the beginning of it. They are they have no
limits to the amount of trauma and pain that they
would inflict and generate, because again, that is their energy,

(01:53:52):
that is their vibration, It is what they need in
order to succeed and keep us compliant. We need to
stop complying.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
We just need to complying exactly one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
Now, if there's so many aspects I want want to
get to, but earlier talking about how you know even
at very local and you know, personal close levels, that
this is occurring, uh in every probably in every town,
in every state, in every city. Uh, that even your
your small time politicians could be involved in this.

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Right.

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Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Yes, yes, they could either be compromised and blackmailed into it,
or they're put in through rigged elections. And that's something
that I think we all got a strong taste of
when mind control masts, a virus was unleashed on the
global population to create the trauma so that they could
move forward with global resite new World order slave society

(01:55:50):
where a handful of big guys make all the money,
those of us who survive do all the work. That's
the plan, that's what they're moving towards. So when that
happened and they stole elections twenty twenty sublatantly and then
locked up anybody who said anything against it, you know,
and censored him and take him off their controlled media,

(01:56:13):
you know, I mean, it was just as ridiculous. What's
being done in that way. And yet my nineteen ninety
five testimony Transformation of America detailed who the plant, what
the plan was of who was going to be in
the office of president. It was be kept in the
Bush Clinton dynasties until Hillary Clinton ushered in the New

(01:56:33):
World Order. Twenty sixteen didn't happen that way, you know.
So it's because people are way waking up. We need
to pay attention to the fact that these electronic voting
machines which came in in the wake of the Kennedy assassination,
you know, and like I'm saying before, that's when this
global agenda took a stronghold on America, traumatized the nation.

(01:56:57):
They came into controlled media, you know, you look at
and Gerald Ford was heavily involved. That's why I have
such an up close personal thing on that. And the
electronic voting means came in right after that. And I
haven't been around these perpetrators in Washington, be I can
guarantee you they did worried one bit about elections because

(01:57:19):
they are going to be placed placed in position through
these rigged elections. Because they were so willing to be
a part of this agenda. So we need to pay
attention to that. We've got to clean up our elections.
We need to get back to paper ballots, monitor them.
Know that this isn't a conspiracy theory, you know, check

(01:57:41):
the machines, that the evidence is there. You know, we've
got all the evidence. We've got an eroded justice system
that has been compromised for a long long time. We've
got an FBI gestapo willing to lock up people who
are standing for their children or for their freedoms, you know.
And and we need to just realize that we share

(01:58:03):
this planet with some very evil people with a very
dark agenda. Then it's inexcusable that we allow them to
meddle in our minds and lives anymore. All we need
to do is just know the truth that makes us free.
Knowledge is our defense against mind control. We need to
arm ourselves with knowledge above all, and have that information

(01:58:28):
so that we can effectively start taking back our personal
and national sovereignty and restoring justice stem and be able
to live the lives that we were meant to live
and stead terror nonsense that we're being imposed on us
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
If people can't realize the evil being perpetrated, they have
their heads so far either in the sand or weigh
up their asses, either one that you know, they're not
seeing the truth here. But I am very hopeful to
seeing the amount of people that do see and that
are awakening during this time. So that's where my hope
is coming from right now if we can kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Collective get past this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
But tell us a little bit about what was the
result of your testestimony for the US Congressional permits permanent
Select Committees on Intelligence Oversight.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
Absolutely nothing national security vote on my testimony in the
whole thing was censored. The people in power at the
time were the very ones named in Trance. So at
that time Mark and I put it in book form
and released it to all members of Congress anyway, and
the watchdog groups, you know, the ones that were supposed

(01:59:44):
to be watching out for our justice and everything else.
And we put it out that way, and that actually
helped keep us alive. We had people like US Customs,
the head of US Customs, William Vaughn Robb. You know,
oh my gosh, what a hero to the American people
he was that he had validated the information and also

(02:00:06):
helped get it out to the border guards and all
because it's the border guards are seeing so much of
the human eficking and drug ops and every time they
make a bus, national securities invoked on it, you know,
And so the information just got out there, well because
national security was invoked on it in open court in
my daughter's has then then I would be able to

(02:00:29):
keep speaking out on anything that was validated by the
clean members of law enforcement and intelligence community, secret Service
or whatever in Transformation of America, and the perpetrators named
could not sue me because of National Security Act in
the way. And at the same time, here's the kicker.
It was suppressed completely for media from publicage and continues

(02:00:55):
to be. The National Security Act is being used to
cover some horrific rymes against you. It's just a blanket
of secrecy that came in with Project paper Clip. And
you know, we need to be aware that that when
Project paper Clip came in with their agenda and the
CIA was formed to enhance it. When the CIA was formed,
so too was national Security. So that was it's made

(02:01:19):
it very very difficult. Mark and I spoke out on
a global scale trying to bring us information to light.
It was to help my daughter in her situation. The
FBI was testifying against my epic daughter, and it was
absolutely horrific what was being done. So we did all
we could to bring information to light. And wherever we spoke,

(02:01:41):
wherever in the world we were, there was FEDS in
the back of the room making sure we didn't say
one thing that wasn't in the testimony, that we didn't
assert a perception that we didn't incite revolution, or we
never did. We were always proposents of abution. You know
that we need to evolve with the knowledge, and you

(02:02:04):
know again, knowledge is our defense against mind control, and
that's the evolutionary step that's needed around the world right now.
We don't need a revolution. There's only a handful of them.
There's really not much to fight that guard. We need
to evolve to be able to thankfully and stop complying
with their dark agendas. Absurd that we comply with that

(02:02:25):
at all.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
It is, it is very absurd.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Well, speaking of the dark agendas, and let's talk about
the desired end game for these scumbag psychopaths and what
has been happening, you know, especially since twenty twenty, it's
been happening our whole lives. It's been happening our whole existence.
As long as these guys have been in power, wherever
it's hundreds or thousands of years, we've always been subjected

(02:02:50):
to their mind control. But something special happened in twenty
twenty to where it's like they're you know, ramping up
this grand plan to have total domination in control over
the planet and along with other you know, the fairious
agenda's attached to it, which i'd like to get your team.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Well, twenty sixteen is really what made the difference, because
so many people were awake and aware then that the
sheer numbers overrrolled the algorithm of the rigged electronic voting machines.
Then sheer numbers actually just you know, cave that in
and we put in a president that the people elected

(02:03:31):
who was going to represent we the people and stand
strong for our sovereignty. This when Trump went, it was
in my experience back in mid eighties that these perpetrators
feared him back then because I had to do. I

(02:03:52):
was carrying out an operation in Atlantic City at the
at one of the casinos that Trump, and there was
a chance I might have run into and I was
told he's not one of us. And fact that I
was told somebody's not one of us. That was do
or die. If I had anything to do with that person,

(02:04:12):
I would be killed. So that's how important that was.
Then they were afraid of him. Then they knew he
was against human trafficking. They knew he was against drug
ops and their New World Order agenda. Back then, you know,
I didn't see Trump, didn't meet him, don't know. You know,
this is just all I know right there. And I

(02:04:33):
also knew that people wanted him in. In twenty sixteen,
Hillary Clinton was supposed to be put in place. That
was how it was rigged. That's what was supposed to happen.
They couldn't believe it when you have that, when you
look at that and see what happened when Trump won,
I mean, they freaked out. They totally freaked out. They

(02:04:53):
just they triggered violence. They just went all in. And
ever since then, we've had a good expose. While Trump
was in on the human trafficking operations. You know, when
he started building the wall and closing the border to
the human trafficking and exposing the pedophile agenda and and

(02:05:16):
all like that, that's amazing that was accomplished. That opened
a lot of eyes. So that by the time twenty
twenty came around, you know, we we would definitely, I
mean we we did elect them again, but that didn't
matter because they stole, blatantly stole the elections right right
in front of us. I've had people say, how did

(02:05:37):
the how do us uh you know international question, how
do US votes go down instead of up? Okay? When
we were watching that night and they were just going
down on you, and it was like, well, that's just
that's because it was rigged by the media and and
everything else at that time. So the elections were blatantly stolen,

(02:06:00):
and they had four years to make up for They
have one hundred year plan they were at the end
of it. Hillary was supposed to bring in this new
World Order agenda was supposed to go smooth. It didn't
through a monkey wreunch. And ever since here we are,
you know, they're exposing themselves at every turn. We see

(02:06:21):
what they're doing. Their wizard curtain has been pulled back.
We see exactly who's behind there, what they're doing. Follow
the money, you know, follow the science. It will take
you the same people, you know, Follow the money and
look at the trauma that is being used for mind
control purposes because mind control MK ultra. Mind control is

(02:06:44):
their ultimate weapons system for ushering in their slave society agenda.
They're freaking out, see what they're doing. They're just proceeding anyway.
We catch them and lie after lie after lie. They
don't care. They just keep going. They don't It doesn't
matter if they have a handful that's still listening. They

(02:07:06):
want to see how much they can divide us and
you know, keep people compliant through the traumas and then
repeating the same narrative over and over and over. Repetition
is a form of mind control.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
Now is this? Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
You know, we they have claims by our our three
letter agencies that you know, all MK Ultra projects were
discontinued and we know that's bold.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
Uh, how how.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
Involved with you know, not only mind control on the
like we were just talking about, but still targeting individuals
for things like uh, you know, the the honeypot like
assassinations like being a celebrity type of Manchurian candidate. You know,
how prevalent do you think this is still in these

(02:07:53):
modern times?

Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
Extremely provalent? You know, and look at Upstein Island, you
know that is a great example there because as the
human trafficking ops that I was forced to work back
in the in the eighties was already laying the ground
work for all that out of Saint Thomas and Haiti.
The Clinton UH trafficking ops and drug ops were running

(02:08:15):
through there, and it's a funding mechanism. So they've got
a lot of a lot of people targeted on so
many levels like that. And then you know, again mine
controls the sliding scale to information control, and there's a
lot of people that don't have that one piece of
the puzzle necessary for putting the all the pieces together,

(02:08:36):
you know, to pulling in the big picture to see
exactly going on. It's hard for him to do when
they're working, you know, two or three jobs just to
get food on the table or put gas in their car.
You know, it's it's really hard on people to do that.
So then boarding them with repetitive information keeps them more

(02:08:58):
you know, more compliant it and that is a form
of MK ultra mind control right there. So it's it's massive,
it's extensive, but it's definitely definitely lost its grip. We're
by far the majority people who are awake and aware
and rising above this nonsense are by far the majority,

(02:09:20):
but we need to get more people on board. We
need to arm them with the ability to reclaim and
maintain free thought because you know, it's anytime trauma occurs,
we need to safeguard our think. You know, pick up
a pen and right that was That was the primary
main thing that Mark Phillips taught me that was kept

(02:09:42):
from the population. It's just the importance of moving it.
What that does is it shifts information over to logic
part of the brain where it's critically analyzed. It's processed
in a different way because it takes that part of
the brain to move a pen not tight it doesn't
work the same way. It's the moving of a pad.

(02:10:02):
And that's why they took it out of the school
system too, because they don't want our kids critically analyzing information.
They just want to pump information in their head. They
want to teach them what to think, not how to think.
You know, and this is an important component of how
to think that we all can use it all should
use every single day. I still do, you know, just
vent out what the fear is, vent out what you're

(02:10:25):
being bombarded with negatively, and then add a solution. When
you add a solution and I spell soul. When you
add a solution, then you're opening around pathways in your
brain above and beyond the repetition programming or the trauma.
It lifts you above that. It makes your brain fire
and new directions. That empowers. Negativity is immobilizing, and we

(02:10:48):
need to be able to respond to what's going on.
The ability to respond, responsibility, it's a beautiful thing, you know,
it's a conscious awareness. And picking up a pen gives
us that and empowers us to be able to start
making a difference. Protect our own children, get out in
our community, secure elections, make sure we have a good

(02:11:11):
sheriff that we can rely on our sheriff as us
line of defense against federal overreach. It's in our constitution.
They're amazing the power they have, so make sure that
we have a good sheriff. Make sure your sheriff knows
his power. It's amazing. CSPOA dot org is really empowering
a lot of sheriffs right now to stand up and

(02:11:33):
make a difference. But it begins with picking up a pen.
You know, something as simple as that. Write a letter
to your sheriff, write a letter to your congressman, or whatever.
Write it on paper first, then type it so they
can read it. You know, still do it on paper first,
because it's so important to be able to activate that

(02:11:54):
part of our brains. Again, that is only one simple
thing of the simple things that are in Peaple yes
day time to heal that everybody can apply to their
own lives to be empowered going forward.

Speaker 1 (02:12:06):
Yeah, let's talk a little bit more that while we're
discussing solutions for people. You know, like we recommended throughout this,
you have to remove yourself from these situations, not participate
in the trauma and mind control, and there's there's many
different ways of doing that. What do you think the
answers are on an individual level for people to kind

(02:12:29):
of start breaking free. I know, they've done such a
wonderful job through the media, through social media, through movies
in Hollywood, even destroying regular relationships, the family unit, relationships
between men and women. I mean, there's ridiculous expectations between
relationships between men and women a lot at the time

(02:12:50):
due to the mind can program that they've received from
Hollywood or the you know, any movies or even social media.
Now and that's even being warped even more with the
direction that they're taking it with the you know, the pedophilia,
all the other things we were talking about. Yes, So
what do you think are the best solutions for people,

(02:13:10):
like removing themselves from that, not being not watching TV
here than media, not participating in their agendas, and probably
just becoming as most self sufficient and whole as possible. Right,
what other solutions can we offer?

Speaker 4 (02:13:25):
Yes, with the nutrition and plenty of plenty of sleep
because they want to keep us working, so how we
don't get enough sleep that sleep deprivations of art of
mk ultra mind control. Get out in nature, Breathe the air,
reattached to the earth. Mother nature nurtures you know, it's
a beautiful thing. And now we're told to fear nature,

(02:13:45):
you know, like fear Oh my gosh. You know it's
the environ mutal onslaught that we're under right now. Mother
nature is resilient, you know, just like the strength of
the human spirit, and we need to just start taking
care of it by caring. That's how new Dot out
in nature, Listen to the birds, Listen to nature intercommunicating
with each other. Breathe in the air. You know, that's

(02:14:08):
an important one right there, because when we won't get sufficient
oxygen to our brain. It inhibits critical analysis and free thought.
That's why they're so hell bent onmasking the kids, you know,
and get the mask on the kids, keep it on
the kids in the schools. You know, that's that's got
to stop when people understand what masks actually do and

(02:14:30):
why they're used in mk ultru mind control. My own
daughter was trafficked in a mask.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:14:36):
Look at Michael Jesson, he had he had turned thirty
and you know, had some some things that were leaking.
They wanted to silent him through that process and put
a mask on it. And he wore a mask everywhere,
so he felt like he didn't have a voice. And
that's what it does. It muffles our voice, inhibits oxygen
to the brain necessary for critical analysis, free thought, and

(02:14:57):
depersonalizes the same way that all this gender confusion non
sense personalizes. They want to depersonalize to stop individuality, soul expression,
strength of spirit. You know, it goes right back to
that same thing. So when we become aware of that,
you know, go out breathe some mayor you know, inhale
it deeply. Pat your dog. You know, that's another one

(02:15:21):
you know, just their pets are amazing. There unconditional love,
you know, take them for a walk. It just it's
really it's really good to enjoy pets as well. So
you know, those are just a few small things that
we can do that really help us stay grounded and rejuvenated.

(02:15:45):
It's something I live by. I do it every day.
We have to take time for ourselves in order to
have time to give others.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
Yeah, and you said you believe that more people are
actually on the side of good, are actually waking up
that are not participate anymore. That is extremely you know,
most people won't be able to tell that because especially
if you're just paying attention to what the media is
telling you, they're going to start inside. So you have
to get out there and individually connect with people like

(02:16:13):
you and I are doing like I do everything else,
and that is how you can see where most people
are coming from. And I happen to believe too that
most people are on the side of reasonable thinking and
not marngenocide and mind control. So you know, I do
have hope that we are going in the right direction
as a collective.

Speaker 4 (02:16:35):
Yes, we are. On a global scale. It's exciting because
it's like knowledge is are defense against mind control, and
I certainly gained that knowledge. So I saw it being
imposed all around. I saw the components of MK ultra
being imposed. I see them now. You know, haven't been
around those perpetrators. I know how they think, and it's

(02:16:57):
shallow and it's wicked and it's mean. But they're so
free out right now that that's evidence in itself, the
fact that they know that people are waking up and
so they're imposing more and more trauma. We need to
make it through this curve and strengthen each other and
shut off their media voice and shut off the TV

(02:17:18):
and get away from that. That's a very important aspect
of it. But I could see mind control because of
my knowledge. I can see their reactions because of han't
been around them for all those years. And I also
it was my experience to heal and to wake up

(02:17:38):
from mind control. And when I first woke up from
mind control, I felt so insane. And right now, you know,
everybody is like, oh my gosh, this world is so crazy.
It all looks and so insane it is, you know
that part what they're doing is but we're gaining our sanity,

(02:17:58):
our clarity, our thought and moving forward. And so I'm
seeing this huge, great awakening happening. And as people reclaim
their free thought and their strength and spirit, you know,
they're getting out in their communities, they're talking with each other,
they're they're making a difference or standing up for their
values again, and they're not really as concerned with what

(02:18:21):
these globalists think they're imposing on us as they are
to just restructure their lives, grow their own food, you know,
and get their own nutrition, make sure their kids are protected,
and you know. So there's a huge movement that direction,
and it's a beautiful thing to see. It's easy for

(02:18:44):
me to smile all the time because I see this happening.
I've been watching it progress through the nineties to the
point where we are today, watching people wake up on
a global scale, and it's an exciting time to be alive.
You know, when we realize that we're just in this
curve and real scene for the first time, people are

(02:19:05):
seeing look so horrific. It's been going on my whole life.
They're just finally seeing it. And awareness is the first
step towards positive, necessary change. You know, it's not so
bad seeing it. We just need to realize this has
been going on a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:19:21):
That and and.

Speaker 4 (02:19:22):
Uproot it all the way to its its roots to
be able to stop this nonsense from affecting us and
creeping in on our lives any further.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:37):
Now, as far as Trump goes, or any politician or
person in that high of a position of power goes,
I remain agnostic. I don't I still don't trust anyone.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
You know. You know I don't trust Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
But I do appreciate the information that you're bringing forward
and your your thoughts about Trump. I think it adds
and lets people make their own decisions about it. I'm
going to remain agnosticy get this point, but I do
appreciate the information, and I want to know. Do you
think there are indeed good guys at high levels that
are working behind the scenes to correct this.

Speaker 4 (02:20:11):
Oh? Absolutely, there's good and bad in everything. But I
also agree with what said because I'm not. We need
to govern our own lives. We need to govern our
own lives. We need to get back to the low
levels to be able to There's something pressure is there.
We've got to get big government went out of our lives.
We need that anymore. We were shown a lot through Trump,

(02:20:36):
and I certainly do not agree with everything about Trump.
Why would I. He's a person, you know, that's not fair,
that's just not a We shouldn't do that to anybody,
and were with these politicians in that position and then
let them live our lives? What are we doing? You know,

(02:20:56):
that's just a ridiculous thing all together. We need to
governor our own minds, govern our own lives, pay attention
to who is in office by secure elections from a
local level, you know, on up. That's that's extremely important.
I'm forever grateful that Trump opens so many eyes to

(02:21:17):
human trafficking, to the pedophile agunda, to mind control. I'm
grateful that he was able to stand up against the
onslaught of these wicked, horrible perpetrators and not cave into
mind control himself from the traumas that he and his
family were subjected to. So I'm grateful for that, But

(02:21:39):
I don't have to take it any further than that. Why,
you know, he empowered us. You know, we are empowered,
and if if people to feel like he empowered them,
then they need to reclaim empower another direction, whatever it is.
We are aware now, and awareness is not towards positive,

(02:22:00):
necessary change, and we need to stop ruin leaders that
we didn't elect.

Speaker 1 (02:22:05):
Right, and you do believe that there are other people
like Mark Phillips out there that are kind of leading
the charge against this.

Speaker 4 (02:22:14):
Yes, there are many people, good people in hot positions.
They don't get voice anymore then, you know then than
some of us, do. You know. They they need to
get on your show. You know, they need to have
you amplify their voice to get it out there for
them too, because they're being shut down anytime they try

(02:22:35):
to take a stand too. But yeah, there's there's there's
really good people well in touched and the ones who
genuinely want to readore our national sovereignty, our constitutional values
of freedom and justice for all. You know, that's that's
what's that's what's beautiful, and that's our own personal responsibility

(02:22:58):
to when we find out who we are on the
base core energy of our being and gather that strength
of human spirit and live the love we are. Love
is the most powerful force in the universe. Strength of
the human spirit is infinite power for it. That is
what these perpetrators fear most. That's because it's where we

(02:23:19):
win where they lose. We need to claim our victory
and then choose our path forward with wisdom and realize
that politicians are just as vulnerable to mind control, technological
and otherwise as any of us are. And that's something
really important to be aware of and stop allowing for

(02:23:44):
such big government influence on our lives. What are they
doing in our school system anyway? You know what happened
to PTA Parent Teacher association where the parents went in
and said, you teach my child? You know, I mean,
we need that. Come on everybody, education system.

Speaker 2 (02:24:03):
Mind control is a whole other show we'd have to do.

Speaker 1 (02:24:05):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, thank you so much, Kathy.
This was fantastic. I love the funnel thoughts you put
in there. How before you head out, how can people
find your documentary, your books if they want to get
in touch with you, social media, all that good stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
All of it really is found on my website trance
dashformation dot com. That's t R a n CE hyphen
formation dot com. And the link to my movie is there.
The trance dot movie is absolutely amazing. You can also
just go direct to that website at trance dot movie.

(02:24:46):
You know, type that in t R a n CE
dot movie and the movie is just a phenomenal expose.
It's not. It says it's a Kathy O'Brien's story, but
it's about mind control, human slavery, and healing the nation,
really the world. It empowers with a lot of information

(02:25:09):
people can use for reclaiming our personal and national sovereignty.
But it all can be found on my website. My
books are secured there. Watch out for free ebooks that
they have been distorted to promote the New World Order.
Go to the source for information these days. And even

(02:25:29):
though at national security was invoked on my trans on
my testimony and trance research, it further. The more you know,
the more you see that it's inexcusable we have these
perpetrators to influence our brilliant minds anymore, and most importantly,
PTSD time to heal. All the methods I used to
heal are posted on my website with a pay what

(02:25:51):
you can, if you can option, so everyone can have
it now, regardless of income. Everybody around the world needs
us some information to just maintain free thought. To reclaim
it's gotten simple tips in it that are easy to selfly.
You can reclaim your your mind from absolute robotic mind
control like I did or from information control, whatever is

(02:26:14):
needed for empowerment, so it's there. We're all being bombarded
with another component of MT Ultra right now, financial control,
so it has the you know, the option to even
even pay for it. So it's there for everyone. It's
secured there with that button.

Speaker 2 (02:26:32):
Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
Well, thank you so much, Thank you for coming out
with this information, thank you for your strength, and thank
you so much for coming on today. This was fantastic
and I would definitely love to speak with you again
in the future.

Speaker 4 (02:26:45):
I hope, so I look forward to it. Thank you
so much. I appreciate what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:26:49):
Thank you, Kathy.

Speaker 1 (02:26:50):
All Right, till next time, everyone, have an excellent evening
and we will be talking again tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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