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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today, I want to welcome Howdie mccowsky. He is a
renegade historian, author, and deeply spiritual question of reality. Howdy, welcome.
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mostly okay? It's been like minus twenty here for like
a week, so for today it's got to like almost zero,
although a lot of snow, but it's better without the
cold man.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
And I'm here complaining about five or ten degree weather.
I appreciate you being here, and I'm excited to get
into some of these concepts from your books, especially your
latest Exit the Cave, and explore those aspects of our
history and perceived reality that don't quite fit together, and
the possibility of being enclosed in a holographic simulated reality.

(00:49):
It becomes more and more likely the more you look.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
At some of this stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
But let's start with more about your background and some
of the most profound experiences that led you down your path.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, simple to simplify, because the stuff has been probably
it's been out there a lot of interviews. But had
a semi semi normal life, but not normal either, did
my university, most was a hockey player, was a stand
up comedian for a while, but went through some really
difficult traumas, and not to the level that other people

(01:27):
have gone through, but difficult enough for me, and those
traumas eventually, over the course of about seven or eight years,
pushed me into a really deep spiral or really deep
depression by about nineteen ninety seven, and at that time
I was ready to kill myself. Actually, I just didn't
feel there was any need to be here anymore. And
I didn't like I didn't like the person I was becoming.

(01:49):
So it was a combination of the two things. But
I just couldn't find a clean way of doing it,
you know, where the person wasn't going to have to
have a mess to deal with. And then on my birthday,
there was a documentary on Egyptian pyramid building. It was
a Nova documentary and it was it was an instantaneous
insight of this is what I'm supposed to do. Ancient

(02:11):
Egypt has a secret, and it's I've got to take
my time to go find it. My energy instantly came back.
I put about eight years into that process. I was
lucky enough to meet a Korean monk, several native medicine
men from Chigang, doctors from China, medicine people from the Amazon.

(02:32):
I was very very lucky with who I met over
a period of time. And during that while I was
writing my Egyptian book and going and spending time there
and learning alchemy and her medicism, I was testing reality.
I was being given exercises to test the validity of reality.
Was it real? Was it solid? And eventually all of
my tests showed that it wasn't and there was a

(02:54):
ton of experiences to show that reality is not actually
solid or transparent at all. At that point my book
had come out, I thought I was pretty smart. I
thought I knew a lot. And then I had a
death experience in two thousand and five where I fell
into a canyon and a river and a canyon, and
in that dying I realized, oh, yeah, I'm just as
unreal as the rest of reality, right, you know? I

(03:16):
had taken oh realities. Reality is an illusion, but I'm real,
And that experience showed me I'm just as unreal as reality.
The only thing that was real in that experience was
an awareness or an observing presence that was there when
everything else left. Everything else I could think of as
me just disintegrated and died went away. From there, I

(03:39):
went through a period of maybe seven or eight years
of at times clarity at times, confusion at times, illness
at times extreme difficulty trying to put that experience and
understanding into just being in this reality. I wrote a
book called Falling for Truth. It took quite a while
for it to come out. It took me eight years

(04:00):
to write it after that, and it took a while
more for it to get published. Just after it got published,
I got really interested in studying cathedrals, and I was
in Florence looking at how cathedrals are built as energy
energetic machines. And as soon as I came back from
that trip early twenty nineteen, I bumped into the Chicago

(04:22):
World's Fair. And as I started looking into the World's
Fairs and other expositions of that time, I knew this
was a book that needed to be written. So I
wrote my book on the Expositions in twenty nineteen, which
kind of changed a lot for me. That's how I
got my YouTube channel started. That's all of a sudden,
I started to do interviews and I started talking a
lot more about things that were from twenty years ago,

(04:43):
Plato's Cave, the nature of reality again, the trueness of
what's here. And in the course of that, I realized
it's time to write another book, and I called the
book Exit the Cave. It was really going to be
about the Plato's Cave, but as I began to write it,
I began to be pulled more into the recognition of

(05:05):
we're likely living in a type of energetic farm and
we're being tricked into a reincarnation trap that just happens
again and again and again, like we see in so
many movies, so many TV shows. So the book began
to change over the six months. It started at one
thing and started becoming something else, And when it finally

(05:26):
was ready in September, I think we got something pretty good.
And now we're kind of hitting a zeitgeist. This material
is starting to bubble up in a lot of different places.
So there's a short outline and you can go wherever
you want to go with that.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, you mentioned that in your past experiences, as you
were under certain teachers that were trying to help you
learn about the nature of reality, that you experienced exercises
to test reality.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Maybe you could talk.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
A little bit about some of those experiences.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, some of them, just some of them happened on
their own. I mean I say, I was a combination
of what these what the zen monk, what the medicine
teachers gave me. And I was reading like I was
probably reading twenty books a week. I mean, I'm not exaggerating.
I was just piling through material. And Carlos Castanetta had

(06:22):
I thought had some really interesting insights in his books
and a ton of things also to do. So I
did them. Like I didn't just read the books. I
did the books. I actually put them into practice, so recapitulation,
not doing dreaming exercises, walking exercises, on top of everything
else that the native medicine people were giving me. So

(06:43):
one of the first, one of the first major experiences
I had was in nineteen ninety nine. So I've been
doing this for about a year. And I was walking
down the street and I was replaying a conversation in
my head from the night before. Were uh and I'd
been on a bachelor auction date actually is what I'd

(07:05):
been on the night before, terrible date. Woman was a
was an alcoholic drunk, and it was a big part
of my stopping to drink. I actually stopped drinking like
that week because of that. How bad. The experience was.
But the next day I was I was reliving the
conversation in my mind, and she had said to me
something like, you know, being very very condescending, Why are

(07:26):
why are you studying all this material? Anyway? Sounds like
a waste of time? And that last night I didn't respond,
But on the street I responded in my head, and
the response was because if I didn't, I would be dead. Now.
At that moment, the street disappeared, so I was no
longer walking on the street. I was on a highway
and there'd been a crash between a car and a

(07:46):
large truck, and I saw that the man from the
truck who'd been driving, was kind of walking around a
bit dazed, you know, he was in He was in
a bit of a he was in shock. I looked
in the car and there was a woman with brunette hair,
and she was alive, but she was quite seriously injured.
And then I noticed there was a third car turned

(08:06):
over in the ditch. So I kind of floated over.
I can't say a walk. I was kind of floating
during this experience. I floated over to the car, looked inside,
and I saw there was somebody dead. In the car.
I looked closer, and I realized that it was me,
And it was an instantaneous realization that I've just died
in another reality at this exact moment, I have just

(08:30):
and so so right there began an exploration of parallel realities,
alternate realities. You know it was because now it wasn't just,
it wasn't words in a book. I just experienced it.
And then over time I began having more and more experiences.
I began looking into these potential but not potentially, I
know they are now parallel lives that are running concurrent

(08:50):
with this one, and I could I could see other
places I've lived, other careers, I've had, other people that
I've married, other things that I've done, times I've died
early time I have. And so that right away, that
just that one experience changed a ton of my work
because we get very blindered into this is me, this
is the only me. Whatever happens to me is important,

(09:12):
it's and when we realize there might be a thousand me's,
because if if as it's as some like to claim,
this is a place where some creator just wants experiences
from us, they just want data, then it would make
sense that you would have a million lives, not one.
If you're looking for data and experiences. If you just
have one life, you just have one round of experience.
That's over. Why not give them a million lives. You're

(09:34):
gonna have a million lives of experience. So it makes
sense that we've got this massive amount of lives. But
that change is so much of what we think and believe.
If we feel that starts to be true, because now
how important is my little tiny life that I'm living
here compared to the million others that are going on right.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Right, Well, let's look at some of the most profound
evidence that everything is not as it seems in our reality,
especially when it comes to our linear history and things
that have been documented. And I've heard you say this before.
We didn't have you know, technology one hundred years ago
to record some of these things. It was mainly off

(10:13):
of word of mouth or whoever was writing down these
instances at the time, mostly documented by very powerful world
leaders or people that were elites at the time. So
we have no idea what our history is ten twenty,
much less fifty, one hundred or one thousand years ago.
And there's evidence that what we're told in our linear

(10:36):
history doesn't really fit together correctly. Let's go over some
of those things that really you don't fit together that
could point to that our reality isn't as linear as
we think.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, we got too, You've got two problems. One you've
got because you get two totally different paths you can
walk on this on this examination. You've got one path
that says, Okay, history is a length of time, as
we've kind of been told it is, but everything that's
happened in it is nothing like we've been told. It
doesn't take long. It doesn't matter whether you're digging into
ancient Egyptian granite stones on the Giza Plateau or Abusir

(11:13):
or Sakara to see the kind of quality drill marks
and diamond tip drills and things that needed to be used,
and digging through various historical sources to see that history
as we know it is not true. So we've got
we've got this one side. Okay, we've got that could
be what we're dealing with, which is a lied historical narrative,

(11:35):
and we can and we can easily prove. And the
closer we get to the present moment, the easier it
is to prove the lie. Right, once we start getting photographs,
it becomes even easier to start once we hit the
eighteen fifties eighteen sixties, at least that's what we're told.
We're getting these photographs. We don't know. Again, it starts
to get easier to prove. So that's one one side
we got. Then we've got the other side of the
problem with the potential history, and that is, well, what

(11:58):
if we're living in a type of a type of
computer generated reality. If that's the case, then any computer
generated simulation has a start date. There's a particular day
that the simulation will have been turned on. That means
and let's just say for fun, it's March the nineteenth,
eighteen ten. Let's pretend that's a start date. Then that

(12:21):
would mean everything in our history before that start date
didn't actually happen. It's just programmed information into a computer.
It literally doesn't It literally doesn't exist from in our realm.
Now it's likely copied from a potentially other realm, or
it's produced from another realm. It's real ish, but not
real in our realm. So we have that problem as well.

(12:42):
And I know somebody wrote in a paper where they said,
the best way to tell if you're in a simulation
is look into your past. If your history is unable
to be understood, if there's holes in your history, if
history doesn't have a nice, proper linear narrative, that means
you're likely in a simulation. Because a programmer is going
to spend more time on the present and the future

(13:04):
where the simulation is going, where everything's going to happen,
They're going to spend less time putting it into the past.
So it could also mean we're West World rope. I mean,
I said eighteen ten, what if the simulation started in
two thousand and nine. That means even in our own lives,
everything that happened before two thousand and nine is literally
just backstory for robots in Westworld. And again, we don't

(13:27):
know because the robots in West World, they don't know
if the memories that are in their mind are real
memories or program memories. So we're in We're also in
this really difficult phase of because as soon as you're
trying to walk down one of these pathways, you're automatically
blocking out the other. Is not true, and I think
we have to hold on to both of those possibilities

(13:49):
as saying either one of them could be true. We
know our history as hold. We know our history is
just not what we're told it is. But why it's
not what we're told it is, that's the problem, right, Well.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Let's examine some of those aspects, such as some of
the things that we have seen historically with photographs and
evidence and exploration into what happened at.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
The world's fairs.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Why is this significant in possibly pointing out aspects that
don't fit in our history. What are some of the
most interesting things that you've come up that you've seen
when it comes to aspects of the world's fairs.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, again, the fairs for me were so interesting when
I bumped into it, it was it was here they
are from for sixty years, between eighteen fifty to nineteen fifteen,
they're building seven hundred thousand acre sites, supposedly building in
record times of two years. Times that have impossible. You
couldn't build that fast today, like you can't do it today.

(14:55):
I talked to building contractors and they were very clear
that how long it would take, why it would take
a certain amount of time, how many people they would need,
how much money they would need to do it. But
these things are always supposedly done in two years. Then
as soon as these fairs are done, they bring in
the dynamite, they blow it up and they throw them
into landfills. Every single fair loses money. Every single fare
has the most strange like everyone focuses on the buildings.

(15:18):
Everyone focus. That's kind of where it stops. They focus
on these magnificent buildings, and they are that's a story.
We can't explain where the buildings came from, really, where
they went, Why the domes, why the towers, why the ornamentation.
But more about the fairs is really the what's at
the event, All the technology they're displaying, all the historical
events they're displaying, the human zoos, they are displaying, strange

(15:40):
things like the baby incubators, the racial superiority. There's so
many of these bizarre, just nutty stuff that goes on
it every single World's Fair that my book gets into
the craziness of them that to me, I was using
I was using the word these these are the marker

(16:01):
points coming out of a reset. This was before this
word ever started to be used in our current last
three year cycle. So when it started to be used
in twenty twenty by the non elected, you know, non
elected influencers of our world. It hit me even harder
because I just wrote it in my book all about
how the world's fares are showing we just finished a reset.

(16:21):
We've gone through these bizarre photographs of cities with no
people in them, and that was so weird too, these
photos in the eighteen fifties, eighteen sixties of like, you know,
it doesn't San Francisco is the best one, but you
get Saint Petersburg, Moscow, Toronto. It doesn't matter where you go.
These cities with no not only no people, no horses,

(16:42):
there's no smoke coming out of chimneys, there's no like
garbage on the ground. The cities are now. People try
to try to finance, they try to explain it away,
but literally it's just there's nobody there. There's nobody in
these cities. And so we go from these cities the
city fires all the sudden, we have the world's fairs.
We add in the orphan trains, which again nobody can

(17:04):
explain where all these orphans are coming from and why
they're moving all across the country. And then you have
the insane asylums at the same time, these giant, massive
structures that are bigger than Medici palaces in Florence. Where
are all these insane people coming? And why do you
need this kind of place to build them? All happening
was in a really tight window of about twenty or
thirty years, and I think they were building our world.

(17:25):
I think they were literally the world we've come to
know in like in the last one hundred and fifty
years was built during this time period, and the fairs
were just a part of it. So as you dig
apart the narrative of the fairs, you start to dig
apart the narrative of everything of the late eighteen hundreds,
and as you dig apart everything you see, oh yeah,
history is a lot okay.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right, yeah, I want to talk a little bit.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I want to get a little deeper into the orphan
trains and the insane asylum aspects of this. For those
that may be familiar, could you explain a little bit
about the known history of what supposedly are the mainstream
history of what was suposedly going on with the orphan
trains as opposed to you know, your own research.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Well, that's one of the problems. A lot of these
areas don't have really good explanations. They're very simplistic explanations.
Like you can do a Google search and you'll get
a Wikipedia page on orphan trains. You can go read
it that supposedly there's a whole bunch of orphans, all
of a sudden, just with no real explanation, just no
parents are around, and you get a lot of these
photographs of just kids, like kids on a city street,

(18:28):
like a thousand kids and like one adult. And that supposedly,
then these overflocks of all of a sudden orphans in
the late eighteen hundreds needed to be put on these
trains and shipped out west so that they could start
populating the boom cities of Pioneer United States or Pioneer

(18:48):
Canada or and but these orphan trains were happening in
Europe as well. They were also moving around massive orphanages
happening in Europe at the same time. So we have
and we have this issue of photographs of you know
this when kids are working in mind, this is when
kids are working in in uh in farms, this is
when kids are doing hard labor, and it almost is
like there are any adults, Like it's it's literally when

(19:12):
you start looking at this and then you get these
weird I just saw them recently on this Mind on
Veiled channel, these these cabbage patch baby postcards from the
late eighteen eighties eighteen nineties, where literally it's they're presenting
like the like babies are being grown out of the ground,
like they're being grown in cabbage patches, just like they're

(19:34):
being yeah, like they're being manufactured. And that's as good
explanation as anything, because I'm starting to look and this
is just a theory, right. We can't I can't know history.
Like I say, I don't know what's going to happen
after we die. We're going to talk about the death state.
I don't know for sure who or what created the
simulation why. I don't know. I can't say for sure
what happened in history. All we can do is present

(19:56):
what's normally presented to us and show why that's probably
not true. It's all I can share with people. You
have to take the work on your own after that.
But to me, it seems like from all that research,
there was a massive die off from one way or another.
There was a huge distraction of the human population sometime
in the eighteen hundreds worldwide, and what they had left

(20:17):
was a lot of kids. Whether they just killed off
the adults and kept the kids, or they were somehow
manufacturing kids somehow, I don't know, but that's a great
way to start, you might say, after reset, because you've
got one. You've got children who will believe whatever you
tell them, particularly coming out of a trauma. So if
you're seeming to give them any kind of support, they
will they will trust you even more within one generation.

(20:40):
Whatever narrative you want to present, it'll be worldwide. There'll
be no one questioning it. So from that sense, it
makes total clarity. If you're going to repopulate, you want
to repopulate with children, if you're going to have an agenda,
if you're going to have something that you're going to
want everyone believing, and without television, without movies, without the

(21:02):
internet at the time, things like the Worldfair is a
perfect place to present your message to the world because
these things were everywhere, they were all over the world,
and you have them a few adults who are going
to these things teaching a majority of children lo and
behold with twenty years time, you've got the story you
want worldwide that's my that's my thesis on it, but

(21:22):
of course I can't prove it right, And this well,
and then you've got the insane asylum, and then you've
got the insane asylums. That if you didn't, if you
weren't going to go along with the story, well we'll
just throw you in the insane asylum until you either
decide to go along with it or we just lock
you up forever.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And this is possibly what could have been happening to
all the you know, the remaining adults that were around
during that period, Right during.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That period, I would assume that's you know, why, all
of a sudden in eighteen eighty would you have an
influx of insane people all over the world with no explanation,
you know, doesn't it doesn't make sense. So something like
that is that, yeah, you're you're classified as insane if
you don't if you're not going along with the news,
or if you believe the old story. And of course

(22:05):
you can say that the same thing happened to primitive civilizations,
right to Native Indians, to Aboriginals, to the tribe of Africa.
They weren't put in insane asylums. They were put in reservation.
Same thing. They were locked away from the world, and
you were only allowed out if you were going to
start following the rules and the belief structures. And part
of part of the process of doing that was tearing

(22:28):
away their old system, tearing away their old beliefs. I mean,
to be quite honest, when I was one of one
time was in one of my sweat lodges, and I
was talking about just because I've seen some amazing things
in sweat lodgers, I can be quite honest. I've seen
the things that have happened there that are are beyond explanation.
And one time when I was talking to the medicine man,

(22:49):
he said, yeah, but still it's it pales. I'm paraphrasing,
of course, but you say, like it pales in comparison
to what the medicine people five hundred years could do.
Like we have we just a tiny bit of what
was here five hundred years ago. You know, we have
what we have and we do with what we have,
but we lost so much. So when you consider when

(23:09):
I when I can see what like native medicine people
can do today, and they're telling me, hey, this is
nothing compared to what was like a five hundred thousand
years ago. I'm like, how much did we lose? How much?
How much unbelievable knowledge have we lost because of these
of this process of eliminating those who still want to
remember it. And to me, this is important because we're

(23:32):
going through this now. We're going through the same whatever
happened then, we're going through it now we're in the
process of it. The reset is happening, and the world
you've known is gone. It's over. It's it's not going
to exist anymore. It's gone. And whatever's coming next is
being shaped by this group, and one of the ways
they're shaping it is to have to get rid of

(23:53):
everything we remember and everything the way it's been done,
and almost like the way some of these natives had
to under extreme situations keep some of that knowledge alive
through the whole process. You might say, some of us
are going to have to do the same thing. Some
of us are going to have to take it on
our back to not forget the last two hundred years

(24:15):
we've lived through.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Right now, I know you say simulation because it's an
easier way for everybody to delve into this, to this
topic and maybe have a base understanding of this as
far as what we're when we're looking at if this
is some sort of simulation and there is maybe gatekeepers
or something within it in charge of this, let's let's

(24:39):
explore that a little bit. Do you think that there
are groups of people that are actually in charge of
maybe maintaining aspects of this simulated reality.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, they're called arkans in the agnostic terminology. We may
call them aliens, demonic beings, whatever you want to call them,
because we have I'll start moving into the issues of
when we start looking at things. Honestly, if you're going
to start looking at the world and this reality on
and that's what Exit the Cave now is trying to do.
It's like, okay, let's let let's let's stop playing games,

(25:13):
and it's it's going to sound it will sound negative
to a lot of people what I say. They're going
to say, you sound you sound so negative when you
make these comments. It's like, yes, it does sound negative,
because where we want to get to is ultimate truth.
And the problem ultimate truth is covered by so many
belief layers, so many walls, that as long as those

(25:35):
walls are up, whatever is really going on here will
never actually be able to be seen. So it's it's
difficult and it can be painful to have to go
through some of those walls. The biggest wall I think
I found that we all are living under and we
get this early in our life one way or another,
that the reality we live in was built by a

(25:56):
loving creator who cares about us, who built a place
for us to learn and grow and experience and perfect
ourselves and have difficult challenges so that we can overcome
them and become better, perfect beings and then eventually go
and join this creator in some wonderful, happy afterlife. That's
the story we've been given. But there are a few

(26:16):
groups out there, mainly the groups that the Church of
Rome decided needed to be exterminated. People like the Gnostics
from two thousand years ago, people like the Cathars in
southern France, people like the native native peoples around the world.
They had a very they have a very different story
for this creation. This this creation to them is there
is a an absolute totality there is They always call

(26:39):
it a father or usually a father mother. It's always
male female combined. But they're not two separate beings. It's
one being that's you know, combines everything, But this being
didn't create our reality. The thing that created our reality
was some kind of mistake, some kind of some kind
of escape, some kind of thief, some kind of whatever.
They call the demiurge, gnostics rex Monday to Catholic, our

(27:00):
Native Indians have their own terms for it. But they
created a copy of these original realms, and this copy
or simulation called Hell and gnosticism is a place that
is really just a suffering pit of hell, that's all
it is. And they've built this place as as a
suffering pit of hell because the Demiurge doesn't have power

(27:23):
to run the simulation itself. I mean, that's why this
if we use simulation, I'm not saying it is a
simulation exactly. I'm not saying it is a computer. But
it's a nice metaphor to talk about where we are
because it just happens to be our technology at this
moment in time. It was you know, they used a
dream two hundred two thousand years ago and use something else.
But so when we say it's it's a it's a

(27:43):
computer simulation. So when I talk about Plato's cave, we
talk about the matrix that's just not this reality that's
this reality. That's the etherch reality, that's the it's the
astral realm, that's the mental realm. It's every realm, every
realm you can think of. It's all part of the simulation.
Imagine the computer power that that requires to run that.

(28:04):
Now it would make sense if this is like a
brilliant thing. I think that that the the evil creator
Lucifer what eeveryone call it created in this world was
it's generating the power from the from the characters in
the video game. We are the ones who are creating
the power for the game to keep running. And the
Demiurge has an issue. The Demiurge knows that we us,

(28:27):
we were tricked to come in here. We were not
necessarily created specifically, we were We come from outside this realm.
We're known as a divine spark or or an ie
am consciousness, and that was tricked into coming in here.
And therefore we have all of this power, and the
Demiurge is using the power that we naturally have to
pull it back out and be used in the system

(28:49):
as opposed. And this is this is the whole point,
once you get through the negativity of my message, it's
that The whole point is the divine spark within the
whole point is this unbelievable power that each one of
us as a as an individual soul has the problem
is we become tricked and focused on everything out there.
We become tricked and focused on living a particular life

(29:12):
that suits the what the system wants, as opposed to
just seeing, actually, we have all the power. We don't
have to go anywhere, we don't need anything outside of ourselves,
we don't need any saviors. We're our own savior, and
all we have to do is turn our power within
and reconnect with that. So that's kind of the overview
where we're headed. It can be difficult material to see this,
but once once I finally acknowledge that, things have become

(29:36):
much easier to understand our realm and what's going on
and what has been going on here.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
So do you think at some point in either our
history or our universe or our reality that we were
sovereign beings that either like you said, were tricked to
come into this overlaid reality or they hijacked it and
put their own kind of overlay over this a false reality.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, some that's that's the that's the other path. Some
can go, some can some can try to say this
was a completely different reality and then some beings came
in and hijacked it, took it over and changed it
and that and that's that's a totally fair level of Actually,
it still gets you to the same place, it still
gets you to hear, you know, with similar pathway. For me,

(30:23):
it just it just matches the mythology better. It's that
it seems like we actually come from completely outside of it,
that whatever this entire matrix is, none of it is
our home. And I think that's a feeling everybody who
starts to have they talk about I haven't I've had
an awakening. I've had a realization. And usually one of
the first realizations is this place is insane. This this

(30:45):
place is actually nuts, and I don't fit in here.
The more you begin to see how crazy the world is,
the more we that person will feel and I don't
belong here. I don't know where I'm from, but I'm
not from here, you know. And I think that's pretty
common to a lot of people. And I think that's
there's an inner truth in that that, yes, we actually

(31:06):
don't belong here. We were tricked to come in here,
and we continue to be tricked and deceived constantly into
staying here, and a big part of our job. There's
not much and not much we have to do. We
have to learn anything. It's not a school, it's not
a place where you're going to grow. All you have
to do is see through a few some of the
deceptions and that's it. But the deceptions are so big

(31:27):
it takes quite a while to see through them.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Man, it's like a never ending onion you're trying to
peel through.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Do you think that what we understand as Mandela effects
are part of this glitches in the simulation. Are us
seeing through the simulation in a certain way.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I don't think it's us seeing through it. I think
it goes back to like when I was when I
had these parallel reality experiences. I think there's somehow these
experiences where the parallel realities start one. They either start
that that's two possibility, they start to bleed in and
they start to move from one to the other. Like
I don't know, I've had this many times. You've probably
had it yourself, where you have a dream, something happens
in your dream. You get up and you realize, oh,

(32:06):
I dreamt about that thing that happened fit ten years
ago that I remember now I remember. Then you get
up stair, then you start think, wait a minute, that
didn't happen. I didn't. That didn't, but it did, you
know now, And you're caught in this no man's land
of you've just had a dream, an experience that you
know you've had, but you can't verify it. You have
no photos of it if you call your friends on it,

(32:28):
and no, we never did that, but you know you did.
And I think that's part of this potential bleed of
these various parallel realities we have coming together. Now, that's
one side of possibility. The other side, when you're talking
Mandel effects, is that it's something that the system itself
is doing. That the system itself is somehow manipulating the realities,

(32:48):
whether they're trying to merge them together themselves, or they're
opening doorways or portals or whatever they're doing, and that
somehow changing things is part of the portal. Because I'm
sure you've noticed this yourself. Really huge things are not
the things that are changing. In the Mendel effect. It's
a word in a song. It's a it's a small
piece of a movie. It's it's little things that are

(33:11):
enough that are you could you would you can notice
it if you if you've had any kind of like awareness.
If you watch what's the what's the James Bond movie
with the with the brace of the girl with the
braces Moon Raker, the people watching well know, but yeah,
so that's a perfect example. I mean, it's obvious she
has to have braces on or the scene just doesn't
make any sense. And when you watch all of the

(33:33):
offshoots from that scene, when you watch like a Saturday
Night Live sketch that was done, or any sketches, there's
always the the person who is in the scene will
also have braces on. So it's indicating that that's the original.
So they they met, they could, but they could change
that scene, and they I think they've chosen it. I
think it's a These are purposeful choices in some cases.

(33:53):
They're not just random. They're chosen things that are there.
You can notice them, but they're not noticeable enough. Like
it's not like if they all of a sudden tried
to change the Mandela effect of like Roger Marris hit
sixty seven home runs in nineteen sixty one instead of
sixty one. Every baseball not in the world would catch

(34:14):
that in like four seconds. It's like this, he hit
sixty one home runs, one more than Babe Ruth. They
could tell you the date, they can tell you the
pitcher he hit it off. You know, it's like you know.
So they don't change that, and who knows, maybe they've
changed a score of a baseball game in March or
membrch in May nineteen twenty four. Now Washington Senators beat

(34:37):
the beat Boston four to two instead of three to two.
Like the chances of someone spotting that will be almost nil.
So I think that's also something to notice in the
Mandel effect, is that right now there's small little pieces,
But my guess is they're going to use those to
build the bigger and bigger ones so that they can
so when something big gets changed, you can say, yeah,

(34:57):
but remember you thought about this, about you thought about this,
and you thought about this, and you thought this song
said this, and you were wrong about all that, So
you must have been wrong about this bigger historical event.
So I get a sense it's something of these two avenues,
something with both the sides of that is true when
it comes to Mendel effect.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
That's so interesting now I've heard you allude to that,
the possibility that near death experiences, psychedelics, some of these
profound contact experiences or out of body experiences, the entities
or energies we come into contact could possibly be some
kind of trap or part of the system to keep

(35:39):
us in this understanding that we should keep coming back
to it.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, when you start talking about these experiences, when we
start going into any out of body experience or any
even dream, any experience we have in our dreams, even
we automatically take if it's particularly if it's something nice,
it's dead Grandma, it's Jesus, it's Buddha, it's my old friend.
It's like, that's who it is, and I instantly accept, Oh,
that must be who it is, because you know, I

(36:07):
feel good, it makes me feel good to be there.
And the standard near death experience, which I highly recommend
people looking into, but there's a standard experience most people.
If you say what's a near death experience, the average
person will say, oh, white light tunnel, maybe a bridge,
a life review, dead Grandma, Jesus, feelings of love, it's

(36:29):
being told it's not your time, you have to go back,
you have a mission. That's the usual near death experience.
And what's difficult about going through the near death experience
is when somebody who has one of those, and I
consider them very genuine experiences, they change, they transform, They
become better people generally, they become much more kind and loving.
They let go of a lot of their egoic self

(36:51):
and they become very selfish, selfless. And it's like, people say, well,
this is great. Here's the problem is the fifteen percent
of near death experiences that almost nobody wants to talk about.
The researchers try to ignore them. But it's like, these
are people who've gone a little bit farther than the
normal experience, and they tend to find out that dead
Grandma and Jesus wasn't dead Grandma and Jesus. It's an

(37:12):
alien being, an arconic being, using an overlay pretending that's
who they are firing out this love in order to
act almost like a drug in order to have the
newly deceased person or the newly deceased consciousness confused and
just feeling good and feeling and very easy to then

(37:34):
accept what's going on. So that's the first problem we
have is we're so used to just accepting anything outside
of ourselves and authority. We accept if there's something outside
of us that we think, oh, they know more than
I do, or they're more advanced than I am, or
they're one level up the ladder than me, then I
should just listen to them, because you know, I'm just
a poor little me, I'm poorly human guy, and I'm

(37:56):
just going to as opposed to starting to see, we
have unbelievable authority, we have unbelievable power. We should never
be turning our authority over to anything outside of ourselves.
We have everything within, so why do we need something
without to tell us what's going on, or what we
should do, or what we should think, or to judge
us in any way. So to me, that's a huge

(38:18):
part of working through all of these experiences to start
saying why are you automatically And I'm not saying not
to trust it, but I'm just saying, why are you
choosing to trust it even if it feels good. We
all know a lot of things that feel good don't
wind up being the best for us in the long run.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Do you think that it's possible that some of these
experience could could actually be positive energies or entities from
outside of what we call this simulation that are actually
trying to help us and might have our best interest.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Probably no, probably not. That's not to say there aren't
there are and there is an information from outside of
this realm, or or that you might say truth or
knowledge isn't being brought in here, or there isn't there
isn't like you know in the fifteen Chapel God pointing
his finger out just like an Adam needs to point

(39:13):
the finger back to reach. So I think there's information coming.
The problem becomes as soon as it tries to become
in any kind of solidified form. These beings do their
best to get rid of it very very quickly. So
my guess is, even if they try to solidify themselves,
not just in a material body, even in an astro body,

(39:35):
my guess is they're going to be under attack so
quickly that they last pretty they don't last long at all.
So for me, that doesn't mean there isn't there isn't
positive things out there. But we have to then really
make we have to really find ways to test what
we're dealing with. I talk about prayer in my book,
which is a big one. We've been taught for so

(39:57):
long to pray to something outside of ourselves, ask for something,
and it doesn't matter whether it's a spirit, whether it's God,
whether it's a power animal, whether it's an angel, whether
it's something outside us who's going to listen to us
and maybe maybe return our prayer. But we don't really
know who we're talking to. We don't really know what's happening.
There's an energy exchange. We're sending energy in the prayer.

(40:20):
We don't know what's happening with that energy. We don't
know why. Sometimes the energy is returned, sometimes it isn't.
We don't know. If I use this example, like if
a farmer's keeping sheep, and for the farmer, this farmer
is sending all the sheep to the slaughter at the
end of the season, so it's just money for the farmer,
that's all it is. But one of the sheep gets sick,

(40:42):
and of course the sheep is feeling off. This one
sheep is feeling awful, It feels terrible. They please, so
won't somebody help me in the And of course the
farmer sees the sick sheep. He goes to get the veterinarian.
The vet comes in, they give him some stuff. Within
a couple of days, the sheep is feeling great. The
sheep is thinking, Wow, this farmer cares about me. My
prayers were. He's like a god. He's looking after me.
Look how he cares about me. Then three weeks later,

(41:05):
the truck comes in, everybody gets loaded off, and off
they go to the slaughter. So we don't really know
how many levels we're playing with, how many exchanges, how
many contracts that's another good word, how many contracts and
agreements are going on? Because our whole realm here in
this material world is all contracts, contracts and agreements. Right,

(41:25):
It's like it's like the number one thing I wished
I studied when I was like fourteen or fifteen is law.
I wish I went through the legal system and the
way words mean in the legal system. I wish I
had studied, because that's our word. And of course, if
that's our realm here, then it must be a mirror
of the above as above so below. So that means
our entire realm must be a type of contract, must

(41:46):
be a type of agreement, and this leads to the
very important Star Trek Voyager episode called Coda, where Commander
Janeaway is dying and this being who disguises himself a
father takes her a while to figure out it's not
really her father. He's trying to get her to go
into the White Light, and he's trying everything to get

(42:07):
her to go in the white Light, and she keeps refusing,
and then finally she finally says, Oh, you can't force
me to go. I have to agree willingly to go.
And this is again, this is all. It's all, there's
these deceptions being happening in order for us to finally agree.
And one of the biggest, I mean, even at the
simplest term, there was a book that came out, wow,

(42:28):
twenty thirty years ago called the Four Agreements, I think
it was called something like that by Miguel Ruez, and
he talked about you make all these agreements in your
world without knowing it, and you need to break all
of these agreements that you've made, these subconscious connections. But
I'm saying it's not just in the way. It's like,
before you're even born, we're making soul contracts. Things are

(42:48):
being decided about our life, about not our life, but
what's going to happen, and we're agreeing to tons of garbage.
So to me, one of the things we have to
do is reject all of it, just say it's all fraudulent,
it's all been coming by deception, and we want to
I want to get rid of all of that stuff
so I can finally, like actually make a choice in
the moment, finally based on not a backload of contracts

(43:10):
and agreements, but just what I want to do right now.
That's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
So you think that what people could be experiencing and
near that experiences, well, from what they understand is like
a life review could be these entities or the system
just deceiving them and telling them that they have to
go back to help and experience this and have this
new experience and for however many lifetimes that they got
to do it because they are some kind of energetic

(43:36):
battery for this system.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it's when you start listening to people who
share their life reviews. It doesn't matter how good you were,
they're going to find a whole lot of stuff you did.
And I mean it could be the smallest thing somebody
dropped an apple on the street and you were really busy,
you had to get to work. You didn't have time
to pick up the apple. Well, didn't you know that

(43:59):
that woman because she had to go pick up that
apple herself, she got angry and then she went home
and then she she punched her her son, and then
the sun went out and got run over by a bus.
And it's your fault because you didn't pick up an apple.
I mean literally, they will get that nitpicky with you.
And who are they to judge? Because one of the
things I've come to find for I've done my own

(44:19):
life reviews, So it was a life recapitulation. It took
me four and a half years to do the first one,
which is to see your entire your life and its entirety.
One of the things I found in it is that
there were many choices that calling choices, I was being manipulated,
external beings, parasitic entities, whatever you want to call it.
We like to think, oh, there's something destined in my

(44:42):
life to happen. Oh, yes, an angel's moving me. It's
really painful this thing I had to go through, but
boy was sure glad I did it. No, it's parasitic
entities that are pushing me into all sorts of garbage,
especially right at times when you might start figuring something
out about this reality. Here's one for people to think
to look back in your past, look back to times

(45:03):
if you remember you were almost getting close to figuring
something out, you were almost kind of realizing, wait a minute,
I almost got something about what's going on here, and
then something goofy happens in your life, takes all of
your attention, all of your time, and you forget about it.
I mean, it's like I can think of one. I'm
not going to say what happened that turned me away

(45:23):
from it, but I'll tell you the experience that happened.
I was walking on a street in Calgary when I
was still living there, back in Canada, and there was
a homeless guy getting on a bus at a bus stop.
And so first of all was the way he was dressed.
You could obviously see so different from anybody else that
no one would be dressed like this guy. And he
was of course quite ragged, and he was walking in

(45:44):
a really weird particular way, and every so often he
shake his hands kind of you know, he's maybe you know,
having some treet to have his trouble, And of course
I felt some sympathy for the guy. I noticed him
and felt sympathy for him, and kind of like, I
kind of feel, I hope he puff he's going home,
or if he's going somewhere, so I hope he gets there.
That's what I thought. And it kept walking, and I
was walking at a regular pace, and of course the

(46:05):
bus went past me, so it was it was going
faster than I could walk. I got to the next
bus stop. The same guy was standing at the bus stop.
The same bus came and drove up, the same bus,
but I could see the driver, the same bus driver.
The same guy got on doing the exact same thing.
I remember, I just I stood there and I just

(46:26):
moved against the wall, and I'm like, I've just seen
a real glitch in the matrix. I've seen the glitch
in the matrix. And and then I was just about
to think about it, and I got a phone call
and it had to do something else. I had to
get focused on something. And it took me weeks to
even remember this story. It happened like I didn't write
it down at the time. You might notice if you
look into your past. How many times this has occurred,

(46:48):
where just when you were out an epiphany of something
strange about this reality, something just jumps in there. It's
like somebody is just screwed with your script, and all
of a sudden, you're busy with something and you forget
and you don't have the time to look at what
you need to look at. Right.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
It reminds me of a time that I'm driving on
the Interstate and I have the Colorado Rockies either it
was either the left or right of me, and I'm
looking over in the opposite direction, and for a couple
of split seconds, I saw the mountain range, but I
you know, I realized in my head that the mountain
ranger was the other side, and it just kind of
flickered away and disappeared. It makes me think if I

(47:24):
would have just went with it, just went with that
belief that that mountain range was on the other side,
what does it exist on that side?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Was that a glitch in the matrix?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
You know? It's very interesting, isn't it, Because and that's
the thing. How many times when this happens do we
just yeah, we we notice it, but we don't really
do anything we just oh, yeah, that's interesting, keep going,
and then it's gone. As opposed to That's another one
of my stories where I did stay focused. I got
up at four in the morning, had to go to
the bathroom. So I walked into the toilet, you know,

(47:52):
put the seat up, and started started, you know, peeing,
and I noticed a floating IPC barcode. There was enough
light that you could see. I didn't turn a light,
but I noticed the IPC barcode was just floating in
the air. And I thought to myself, IBC barcodes don't float.
They're usually attached. And you know, you're kind of like
four am, you're not thinking, right, They're usually attached to something.
All of a sudden, a bottle formed around the barcode,

(48:16):
and then two other three other bottles formed that normally
would sit on the shelf of the toilet. But now,
of course my peing is no longer interesting. I'm like,
what just happened there, right? And I start looking around,
and all of a sudden, I start realizing the bathroom
starts to manifest itself, and I'm realizing, my guess is
that four in the morning, I was just creating manifesting

(48:38):
like enough of the floor the toilet that was needed.
That was all I actually had to create at that
time to get what I needed to do done. The
rest of it just stayed in like a in a
holographic state. And only because I paid attention to the
weird holographic experience, the rest of reality kind of got
kind of got shooken up, better fill it all in?

(49:00):
And I started to wonder, are we doing this all
the time? Like are we actually just constantly filling in
our reality all the time? And like so if I
look at my bookshelf, I think all the books are
always on the bookshelf, But how do I know? How
do I know the same twenty books are always on
the bookshelf. I don't check. Maybe there's only nineteen of

(49:21):
them one day, and there's eighteen another day, and then
there's two extra books another day. This is one of
the weird things because we take our reality for granted
so much, particularly the background stuff. We're not really fully
paying attention to what's there or what's not there. So
the more we can in a situation like but you
had there if possible, when you could just literally stop

(49:42):
the car, what the hell's going on? Like literally nothing
else is important? Now, what the hell's going on? These
are times when we get our best possibilities of opening
a door to seeing behind the Wizard of Owz, right,
But we have to take those opportunities when they come.
We can't kind of uh there there. If we go
past it, they're gone.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I want to go into the realm of dreams for
a few minutes I've had. This made me think of
a guest that I had that researches shadow people and
strange dream phenomenon and she did an experiment where she
she had a sleep mask on and she realized within
her dream that she could see the overlay of the

(50:25):
sleep mask, but beyond that there was something going on.
There was like activity, there was some kind of like
her dream was playing out beyond the sleep mask, but
she could just see the sleep mask. She was in
one of these between states. And that's very interesting, and
it makes me wonder what is happening to us in
these dream states?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Wow, isn't it interesting? Because so many times I've had
a dream, and usually it's with friends or family members
in the dream. So you're you're you're automatically you are
are drawn to them, right, You're you'reast and but and
I wake up from the dream, and I don't feel good.
I can feel very tired or drained, or there's no

(51:07):
reason to be tired or drained, or I have some
strange thoughts in my mind. But I have the dream fresh.
And then I start to cleue in that's not that.
That wasn't my friend. That was some entity getting into
my dream and playing, playing with my dreams. And when
we start to realize that we don't really know what's
going on in that time frame. We're told why we dream,

(51:30):
we're told why what we dream is important, but the
experience seems to tell completely otherwise. Something something bizarre is
going on in our dreams. It's almost like we're we're
entering another reality that we're actually I know some shamans
or medicine people I know that told me your dreams
are more are just as real or more real than
the life you're living now. And when we start to

(51:52):
realize that we can be very easily influenced subconsciously in
our dreams because so many of our of our normal
daily wall you might say, are blocking mechanisms go down
when we sleep, so things can get in our dream.
That's why I try to recommend to people to it's
good to have some sort of even just a small
affirmation to yourself which just says, yeah, I'm going to

(52:14):
sleep now, I'm going to sleep well, and I'm going
to be protected in my dreams. Nothing can enter in
my dreams that I don't want to enter. Like like
you say, there might be positive things, and lots of
people have had dreams with premonitions or key pieces of
information that have been important to their life. You don't
want to block those out right. You don't want to
block things out that are important, but you do want
to try to block out things that might steal your

(52:35):
energy and then wake up in the morning and you're exhausted.
So it's one of these things to always examine again,
always examine it. And that's I guess the idea of
writing that dream journal, which I haven't done for a
long time, I used to do it years ago, which
is to be able to go back and look at
the experience of Okay, here's here's because I used to
keep a dream journal and a regular journal so that

(52:56):
I could go back and track Okay, wait a minute, now,
this happened these couple of days. What did I dream
what was in my dreams in the days before that?
And often you can correlate when your world gets a
bit weird, it actually got weird first in your dreams,
not the other way around. We like to think, oh,
in the dream state, it's it's it's it's it's helping
your world, it's explaining your world, it's And I've often

(53:17):
thought it was the opposite. The weirdness first started in
the dream and then it manifested in the world. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah, that's so interesting. I noticed some of the same
some of those same things. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Now I want to get into the possibility of what
we could understand as non player character or people that
are just part of this program that don't have, like
you were saying earlier, the divine spark that you know,
might not have our best interest in mine.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Okay, so obviously, so you would you say you believe
that there's some non player characters.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
That will definitely do yes, for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
What percentage of the population would you say a non
player character is. I'm always curious.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
What people think because I think that we're being lied to,
first of all, about how many people exist on the planet.
There's no way we could ever know, and if you
travel from say Colorado to California, there's so much just emptiness.
It's hard to believe that in any way we're overpopulated.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
So there's that aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
And then there are several individuals that I just can't
believe that, even after everything that's happened since say twenty twenty,
that they're still on this same wavelength of being part
of the programming, going to work, coming home, watching the Kardashians,
maybe you know, watching some football, going to bed.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
And thinking that that's their life.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
So you know, there's there's plenty of different kind of
pointers to to there is something going on with people
that could possibly just be part of this.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, I didn't get a persuake. What was your percentage?
I've asked a lot of people, thought, man to give
a percentage just for fun, for.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
How many people that I think are actually in PCs. Yeah,
in the world, maybe thirty forty percent.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Okay, See that's interesting. If we asked this question probably
ten years ago, I bet you people would have said, yeah,
I think there are, but they might have said ten percent,
five percent. Right, everybody's numbers in the last two or
three years has exploded I'm almost thinking might be seventy
or eighty percent. That's my numbers. Now, I don't know,
but it's certain, like you say, it certainly showed that

(55:26):
because there can we know that there are people that okay,
they just get walcked into their life, but this is different.
We're seeing very robotic behavior. That's the best way of
describing extreme robotic behavior. That's and I noticed this like
fifteen or twenty years ago. I talked about this a
few times where I would have some people that I

(55:47):
was curious about, and we could have conversations on multitude
of subjects. So it wasn't that like they were limited
in subject matter that they would discuss. But when you
didn't matter what subject you had, they may be only
had fifty or eighty responses. Their responses were limited, So
it didn't matter whether you're talking about astronomy or a

(56:08):
baseball game, or your car or some bar you went to.
They kind of responded the same way to the same
things you're saying. And I kind of started to notice
other people didn't do that. Other people when I brought
up different subjects, they went on completely different tangents and
completely different things to talk about. And as I tested

(56:29):
it and started sort of watching this, I'm like, I'm
not sure this is a person because they're so limited.
And this brings us back to the idea of the simulation, right,
because if you're running a simulation, one of the things
you want to do, of course, is a do you
want to cut down your programming by not having a
billion options? If you have a billion options, that's a

(56:51):
massive amount of programming. So first of all, you want
to limit your options. So people like to talk about
we have unlimited free will, Well you don't for sure,
Like we can know that right away because you or
I cannot be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys this week.
It doesn't matter what we do, it's not gonna happen.
It's impossible. And if we had unlimited free will, we
could do anything. So we know that. Okay, so that's

(57:13):
not true. So we seem to have some interaction in
our reality. We don't know how much. We don't know
how much choice we really have. We have things where
people talk about destiny it was destined to happen. Well,
as soon as you throw destiny, that means free will
didn't exist because it was destined to happen. So now
we're playing this game of how much do we really have?
So I like to look at it this Yeah, I
look get it this way. So the simulation doesn't give

(57:35):
us a billion options in a moment, but it might
give us one hundred. It might give us one hundred
pathways or fifty pathways, and we are free to choose
one of the fifty pathways. But it's one of the
fifty pathways that the they might say the game has
chosen for us beforehand. So is that really free will?
It seems like free will, because yeah, I got do
have fifty choices here, I can take any one of

(57:57):
these fifty roads. But Road fifty one not allowed. It'll
block me instantaneously, there's no and it'll push me into
one of the other roads. So it's also and that
would make sense from a simulation perspective. It would make
sense from a simulation perspective that if you're going to
make the at least the appearance of a bigger and
bigger world, which if this is a farm of energy,

(58:17):
if if human souls are here to be farmed for
their energy, then obviously you want bigger and bigger things
going on. So you have more and more conflict, more
and more difficulty, more and more problems, more and more
interactions with its energy to get stolen. It also makes
sense then to well, let's not populate with a whole
bunch of beings that are running all these choices and

(58:37):
doing all this stuff, because that's going to put an
overload on the system. If it's again, if it's if
it's for, if it's for taking energy out of the system.
We don't want to We want to use as little
as possible being put into the system to make it run.
So it makes sense to have a number of characters
that just run as simply as possible that fill in there.
And I would here's what I'd be curious too, which

(58:58):
I never did this, I never test. But let's say
I think this person is a non player character. I
really think it is okay, So they walk around, they
do stuff, they go for lunch. But let's say they
live alone. What happens when they go home? Would they
be like a robot in Westworld that they would literally
just sit down and stop. Nothing would go on. Literally

(59:19):
they like shut off until the phone rings or there's
a knock at the door, or it's eight o'clock in
the morning and they have to go to work. I
don't know, but these are things I spend my time
actually wondering about, and because yeah, we don't know. Actually,
what do you.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Think is happening with other things? Others strange what we
call glitches in the matrix? Lately we've seen a lot
of videos of like planes stalled in the sky. I
don't know if these are fake or what, or if
they could.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Have some validity to them.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
And also what people think is paranormal activity. Is this
just the system messing with them or interacting with us
in certain ways?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Well? With paranormal activity, I mean that's so documented for
so long, so many people have had these experiences, so
I certainly couldn't say that it's not true. It's happening.
Obviously people have had the experiences. Where it's coming from
is the challenge? Right? Is it something in the environment
itself that is holding onto memories, holding onto energy, holding

(01:00:23):
on because normally paranormal activity is often something repeating, Right,
there's a loop often involved in the paranormal activity somehow,
or is it being sort of generated in some way
also by the person? Is the person sort of acting
like an antenna to call it forth. Like I know,
so many people go to a battlefield, for example, they

(01:00:43):
might go to Gettysburg, and they might go to World
War one battlefield and all of a sudden, soldiers will
be there, but not everybody sees the soldiers. So it's
a question of Okay, is it somehow the person themselves
is in the right energetic state or the right kind
of frequency that they can tap into the experience that's
going on. Is it just that we have crossed there's

(01:01:03):
certain doorways. I mean, I feel this at ancient sites
I've been lucky enough to have gone to, whether it
be Mexico, Egypt, all through stone circles and cathedrals and
things in Europe, and many of these sites, there are
places that you literally feel that you've just crossed the line,
that you've literally gone from one reality to another type

(01:01:24):
of reality, or like one universe to another universe. That
these ancient sites are like, yeah, there are multiple layers
on top of one another. So it might also be
that if you're at because I know people can go
to ancient sites and feel very little. Others will go
to ancient sites and they will have experiences to fill notebooks,
and I think it's a combination of the site and

(01:01:46):
the person where they're at when they're going to the experience.
But certainly the experiences are genuine, just like my experiences
at ancient sites I consider very genuine. But I can't
really explain what they are, but they're certainly strength.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah, yeah, these experiences seem to be so very personal,
and you know, very rarely are we having very profound
contact experiences or paranormal phenomena in a group setting. These
and they seem to be, like you said earlier, most
people who have had these experiences, especially very profound experiences

(01:02:21):
where they're communicating with something, where they're given some information,
their lives end up better in some ways. And I'm
not sure what that says. I mean, I've experienced this myself,
you know, through these profound, unexplained experiences and whatever communication
I've received, I've gotten information to make my life better,
and I've followed those paths and I followed those synchronicities

(01:02:44):
and messages and it ends up bringing me to better places.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
What do you think is happening there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I don't know, I mean, we all, I mean, I
was I can't say I was a new age kind
of guy. I wasn't really, But I mean I studied
a lot of areas twenty years ago if there was some,
and so I went through a lot of the mainstream
stuff at the time. I was just very lucky at
having these teachers who were kind of able to turn
me away from a lot of stuff that was Obviously

(01:03:13):
this is all about a spiritual marketplace, and they're just
trying to sell you happiness, and there's there's not truth
in that. You need to look in different places. But
the challenge comes in that sort of framework. When something
positive happens to us, we like to think, we want
to believe there's some being who's looking out for me,

(01:03:33):
who's caring for me, who's always looking out for me,
and we hold onto those But then when something bad
happens to us, we don't instantly say where was my
guardian angel? What was going on? And then we are
we try to spin it. Oh, I need I need
this suffering. I need this pain in order to grow.
I need this suffering to get better. Now. I don't

(01:03:55):
know about you, but the best learning I ever got
in school is when teachers were kind and took time
with me and help listen to my questions, and not
when they took a stick and started wrapping me over
the side of the head because I didn't have an answer.
So more suffering is usually not going to teach you
too much of anything. So we have to start wondering, then,

(01:04:16):
why sometimes would we get experiences that help us and
change our lives, and why other times do we not.
I don't want to say what it is or isn't
it just normally we answer that question really quickly and
we move on, Oh, I know what that is. That's
my power animal helping me. And okay, but how do
you know how do you know it is? And again,
how do you know it's not? It's not the it's

(01:04:37):
not the farmer saying, oh boy, my sheep's going to
die early. I'm not going to get any money off
my sheep when I take it to the slaughterhouse. I
better care and look after my sheep and help it
out for a while. So yeah, all we know is
sometimes really good things happen that do actually help our lives.
We then create a spin one way or another to
explain it. Usually that makes us feel good without ever saying,

(01:05:02):
but I don't know if any of that's true, And
it's like, can I wash the slate clean? And that's
kind of what the message I guess of my whole
book and what my stuff I present now is just
the best thing we can do is wash our slates
clean of all our belief structures and start fresh and say,
you know what, I really don't know what I believed
might be true, that might actually be the truth. How

(01:05:24):
can I find ways to test it? Because once someone
has tested something once, because it doesn't matter what I
believe or you know you believe, or what it's the
person the person watching this right now, it's and it's
not your belief it's what you've experienced and what your
experience and you've been able to test from that experience
it's able to give you an answer. That's the only
thing that matters. What I say doesn't. What you say does,

(01:05:48):
but it can take It can help if you take
the ideas that I'm sharing and say, okay, but how
did I come How did I come to the beliefs
that I have? How did I come to the experiences
and what I came from them? Maybe I should look
at them again and have other possibilities of answers, just
for your own examination to clear out all possibilities so

(01:06:10):
that when you can at least finally say, Okay, I
think I've got my answer now, And even if it's
the original one, you've looked at some others. I mean,
you didn't just jump at the first one or the
one that made you feel good, which is generally how
we operate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I was just talking with this very topic about
guests the other day. You get stuck in a certain
belief system and it becomes a trap for you, and
it becomes impossible at times to get out and see
the bigger picture of what's going on. Now, there's a
couple of other aspects about your work that I want
to get to before we close out. First thing is
the possibility that we are indeed going through a reset

(01:06:45):
right now. And what do you think that this possibly
could entail and what could we expect even in our
lifetime from this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I don't know. I mean some would suggest because it's
the word self right, they use it. They're using very
carefully chosen word reset and reset usually means returning to zero, right,
Like I if I had if I was running a
stopwatch and when I ended it, I would reset it
and it would go back to zero. So some would
say the reset means some sort of time loop and

(01:07:17):
we're literally going to hit a particular moment and we're
going to go back like one hundred, one thousand, five
hundred years whatever, that we're literally going to loop back
in time. That's that's one theory, highly possible. Another one,
of course, stip you. But that doesn't explain all the
work they're doing. They're doing a tremendous amount of work
now to prepare a new reality. Now, maybe there is

(01:07:39):
a time loop and there just this is just a
bonus that just in case the time loop gets broken,
they're ready. Or but it seems like what's going on
is twofold. It seems like one where there's going to
be a power upgrade. People are looking at the reset
and they're thinking of it in terms of finances or
government or but when you think of it in terms

(01:08:00):
of power and energy, the system probably is not getting
enough energy, and the reset is the system coming in
with a new way of getting more energy for its system.
That that seems like what I think we get a
better idea of what's going on, because what seems to
want to happen, is they want to merge humans and technology.

(01:08:21):
They want to put humans and the computer together. And
I thought, well, if you have the if this is
the device that pulls in the energy, and this is
the human being, there's a space between the two and
in that gap there will be energy loss. You'll get
most of the energy, but some just naturally will be
lost as you know heat radiation. But if you put
the human in the and the device together, there's no

(01:08:42):
energy loss. The energy would be fed directly into the system.
And it kind of makes sense that that would that
would be one of the reasons of doing it. You
would you would not have the same energy loss as
you would if there's space between the two. So if
we think that an energy I think that's one way
of maybe understanding what's going on. The other being, it
seems like they want to create a simulation. In the simulation,

(01:09:05):
another layer in the in the matrix. You might say
that that see, this is this is something that's bothered
me for a long time. We're told we're in the
three dimensional reality. This is what we're told, right the
material world, we're in three dimensions. Okay, The New Age
likes to tell us, but soon we're going to be
in the fifth dimension. They're going to be in five
D and we're going to be in a new Earth. Well,

(01:09:27):
what happened to four D? Do you just skip the
fourth dimension? And I started to realize, no, we're not
in three D, We're in four D. Now, this is
the fourth dimension. We are actually in the astral realm.
We're not. The material is not the three D world
we think we're in. That's that's the simulated reality. We're

(01:09:48):
really in an astral four dimensional realm. And now they're
building a fifth dimensional realm one level deeper in the system.
You're not rising as you go higher in the dimensions,
you're sinking lower, lower, lower. So obviously our goal is
we don't want to go into five D. We want
to get out and go to back to three D,
back to two D, back to one D, because one

(01:10:09):
dimension would be absolute reality totality. We would be fused
again with our divine self. Right, So the dream seems
to want to push us. We're pushing us deeper, making
us think we're rising, when we actually want to go
to the opposite. We want to go back, We want
to go back, We want to go backwards into the
totality of ourself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Well, I think that's a good place to discuss a
little bit about the possibilities of how we can escape
this overlaid reality, this false matrix that we're in. And
I know you've discussed this a little bit. What do
you think are the possibilities there can we get out
besides you know, death and not following the white light
and following some other kind of path or what do

(01:10:54):
you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Well, I mean, the first step has to be that
somebody deciding you don't want to come back. First step
is intention. The first step is no matter what is
intention and having your own power and authority that you're
going to make your own choices. So that's step one.
And I'm never not saying to anyone that you shouldn't
come back. I mean I'm not. I consider this this yeah,
suffering pit of hell, and I'm done with it, you know,

(01:11:18):
I'm finished with this reality not coming back, and everything
I'm doing is preparing to make sure that happens. But
that doesn't mean you might want to come back for
various reasons, and that's fine, it's important though, I think
you know that the choice was yours that weren't You
weren't tricked into it that it's like, yep, this is
what I want to do. So I think step one
is just be able to have your own authority and

(01:11:40):
make your own choice. So that's the first thing we
have to start building. Probably it seems like the best
chance to do this is after we die, but that
doesn't mean we have to wait. I'm pretty sure that
it could happen right now, that if somebody wanted to
exit the matrix and they had the right formula, let's say,
I think you could it right now. That formula is

(01:12:02):
probably much more challenging in a material world because once
we go to the astral right where one level, and
totally in the astral where one level, there's one less material,
the one less body, the material body's not here, so
easier to move around. But I think that's what happened
to groups like the Maya or the Anasazi, or the
pre Inca, or the whoever built the original pyramids in Egypt,

(01:12:25):
because they've all seemed to just vanished. Right. No, no
archaeologists can explain what happened to these populate No one
can explain what happened to the twenty million Mayans in
Central America. They try to come up with answers, but
they have none. One possible explanation is they decided as
a group, we're done, and they just left on mass

(01:12:47):
They just so. I think it is possible. It's maybe.
It's interesting because we talk about how this is all
the solo journey, this is all an individual journey, and
that may be true after we die. After we die,
it might very well be a totally individual journey. Who knows.
Maybe the journey, if you're going to try to do
it here out of it while you're still in this
part of the matrix. Maybe it does help to have

(01:13:09):
people or a group. Maybe a group does actually the
energy of the group together does actually help the process
of going. It makes me think about those who've had
the phenomenon of spontaneous human combustion, because it's such a
strange phenomena that a person just all of a sudden
burns up, And that could be an explanation. If somebody's

(01:13:31):
consciousness managed to leave the matrix, managed to find a
way to just get out, well, what would the body,
what would happen to the body that it might be
so overloading energetically to the body that catching fire might
be the result, and it might have told us that
maybe that's what happened. Is I don't know. I was

(01:13:51):
so fascinated by those stories when I was a teenager,
like what could this be? Because I knew it wasn't
just something. There wasn't a simple scientific explanation. Something was
going on with these people. And of course they're not
here now, so we can't ask them what might have
been going on. But I would have Wow, I would
have loved to have read like diaries and journals of
the months beforehand of what were these people going through,

(01:14:14):
what were they thinking about, what were they dealing with,
what were they challenge because it might tell us a
lot of what spontaneous combustion is. Because yeah, if con
or here's the other weird, the consciousness might leave and
you might be left as a non player character. So
maybe the non player character we'll call all these non
player characters. Maybe they were humans with souls at one time,

(01:14:34):
and they at one point in the time loop, they've left.
They've all left the matrix. We're we think we're advanced.
We're oh, yes, we're awakening. We're doing so well we're
seeing so much and these non player characters aren't getting
at it. Maybe the other way around, Maybe we're one
of the last ones to figure this out. All these
other non player characters figured it out eons ago, and
we're one of the last ones to finally and maybe

(01:14:55):
once we're all out, then the simulation ends. That's also
mentioned that there is an endpoint for the simulation, that
this reality will end, and any souls that are still
in it will automatically leave. But all of the beings,
all of the parts of the simulation, that all of
the archons, all of those types, they will just they

(01:15:15):
will end with the simulation. And that explains why they
do what they do, because they know they need to
keep the simulation running. If the simulation ends, they end
on the opposite Somewhere deep down, we know if the
simulation ends, we don't. We're not from the simulation. We
were brought into the simulation. So ending the simulation is

(01:15:37):
fine for us, it's not fine for all the characters
that are running it. I think it helps us, It
helps us understand more of their motivation why they behave
the way they behave, because they know if the system stops,
if the simulation stops they end to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Now what do you how do you feel about what
is happening with people seemingly having this awaken experience, having
access to all this information, the desire to learn about
the information, and also seemingly so a lot of large
groups of people, even individuals that I know, have switched
around and are not participating in some of these dystopian

(01:16:17):
systems that are placed around us and kind of seemingly
breaking free in some ways. Do you think that this
is part of what could be happening with the reset?
And also do you think that if there is an
individual that is an NPC, can it go the other
way around and can they have the divine spark come
in for whatever reason?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Maybe I don't know. I guess it could happen in theory.
I'd assume like on the other side of someone who
sold their soul to the devil, which I think is
a very real thing that can happen. I guess is
there a ways you could potentially buy it back? But boy,
that would be one heck of a contract negotiation. Yes,
it could go the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
You know, when it comes to how people to deal
with what's going on, I knows. It's been difficult for
a lot of people, and I've seen it in the
comment section of my my YouTube channel so often people
have said that, you know, my family won't talk to
me anymore, I don't have any friends anymore, I lost
my job, I'm completely alone. What should I do? And

(01:17:30):
my only suggestion is is, first of all, you're not
really alone. There's a whole lot of people just like
you who are going through the same experience just somewhere else.
You haven't had a chance to meet them yet, they're
right here in the comment section. Find a way to
contact and just say hi to them here in the comments.
They're they're probably just like you and feeling the same
way yours. You're not actually alone, you just think you are.

(01:17:51):
The other thing I've always said is right from the
beginning of this experience, I said, whenever I'm going to
get faced with a choice of what do I need
to do going forward, I'm going to choose the option
that I think is the most human choice. So whatever
I think, this is what a human would choose, this
is what I'm going to choose. So it made me
think really deep, what is a human? What does that mean?

(01:18:13):
What does that mean to be human? What are the
kind of things a human is supposed to do? But
it made things very easy because every time I came
to an option, you know, if someone says you need
to do this, I would just say, is is this
something a human would do? If the answer was yes, okay,
it's a human who no, then I just don't. And
it was very simple and I didn't have to worry
then about the ramifications or what was going to happen

(01:18:35):
because of it, because that was I simplified the choice
to that and that helped me a lot going through
the process.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I love that. Awdi, this was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
We're definitely going to have to have you back on
and get deeper into some of these topics before you
head out. Let the audience know where they can find
your book if you have anything else like website, social media,
all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Sure, yeah, all the books now the easiest place just
to get an overview of them, which is Google search
my name onto Amazon. You know, of course buy any
books from there if you don't want to. There's lots
of places that sell them all over the world. But
there's four eggsit the cave power then falling for truth
and exposing the expositions. My website is Egyptian Dash Wisdom,

(01:19:19):
dash Revealed dot com. Terrible name, I know, but you
can also get more information on the books I don't have.
I don't write much anymore now because most of everything
I do goes to video. It's still on YouTube, but
Howdie mccoskey talks. It's there on bit Shoot and Rumble
starting now as well. But those are the places they
get started and go check things out. And yeah, when
it comes to books, I'll leave this as as a

(01:19:40):
reminder for all of you. One of the reasons I
worked hard to get this book out in September. I
have it out as a PDF file that you can
get off my website or now as a print book
right that you can buy the bookstores. And I felt
this was important. I wanted to make sure that it
was beyond a digital book because we don't know what
the world's going to look like in six months. We
don't know, Oh, if anything that you think of as

(01:20:01):
digital material the internet will be available. We have no idea.
If there are things that you think are important, if
there's information that you think is important, if there's books
that you think might be important to your journey and
your knowledge and understanding. Get them now. Get them. If
it's information on the internet, print it out. If it's
really important, have it, have it actually on paper. If

(01:20:22):
everything is fine in six or eight months, no big deal.
You've got hard copies of everything you think is important.
But if it goes, if it disappears, you have what
you think is really really valuable and important. So it's
it's something I'm reminding. I'm not just saying that, oh,
buy my book, it's really important. I'm saying not just
what are the books you think are important that you
don't have Go get them because you might not have

(01:20:44):
the opportunity to do so in six months. We don't
know where this is going, so take advantage of every
opportunity we have right now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah, wonderful advice.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
We live in very interesting, fascinating and sometimes terrifying times,
but I'm very interested to see where it's all headed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Howdie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Thank you so much for coming on, and we'll definitely
do this again in the future. And until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
We'll talk again to today.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I want to welcome back to the show Becca Dickens.
She is a regenerative farmer and energy healer. She is
also co owner of Regenerative Life Form in rural central Illinois.
Her farm is a chemical free, no till, deep compost
market garden with magical soil, two hundred pastured chickens and cattle.

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They sell eggs and vegetables to their community and provide
education on food as medicine. As an energy worker, she
offers online sessions using intuition and divine guidance to help
people shift energy, heal emotionally and physically, and remember who
they are. Becca, Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
How you doing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
I'm good. It's great to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Yes, it's great to have you back. I enjoyed our
last discussion. This is going to be very interesting today.
You wanted to discuss spiritual attachments, how and why they
feed on us, how to release them, as well as
getting into the nature of our individual and collective experiences.
Are we in some kind of prison planet loose form

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or could we be the creators of this realm to
have infinite experiences? And you have plenty of other talking
points we're going to get to. We have lots to
discuss before we do that. Remind the audience a little
bit about yourself and what led you down your path.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
I'm a regenerative farmer and that I have two hundred
chickens and a great big garden. I sell vegetables and
eggs at farmers' markets and at a few stores locally,
and really into the regenerative farm, which basically means we
don't use any chemicals. We're trying to support the life

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in the soil and believe that all good health comes
from that. And I'm an educator in food as medicine,
and I'm also an energy healer. I do sessions with
people on the phone or zoom to just help them
heal their energy in using my intuitive gifts, and that

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business is really taking off as well. It's a long,
crazy story about what led me here, but just kind
of how life goes. I used to have a big
corporate lifestyle and used to be a big time alcoholic,
and getting free of both of those poisonous, toxic environments
really changed my life. I had a midlife complete change,

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and now I'm a farmer and energy healer and those
things are more connected than I might have thought.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Excellent. Excellent, So how has the form been doing anything
new on there since we last went.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Yeah, we you know, it's the end of the year.
Last time we spoke it was in October and the
season was wrapping up, but we still had lots of
vegetables for sale. The only thing produced that we're still
selling from the summer is carrots. They keep in the
cold room. Just precious, beautiful, orange, delicious carrots. I have
a great recipe for them that uses a little maple

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syrup roasted they're just like candy. So we're still selling carrots,
and then people still come to the farm once a
week for eggs. But we made a decision to go
bigger next summer. We've only been open two days a
week in the past. We're going to be open five
days a week, twenty hours a week at the farm,

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build a whole new station, market station with some refrigeration,
and just really fixing things up. So we're investing a
lot of money that we don't have in the hopes
that being more open will be more available and really
get to make an impact in our community and reach
more people and have them come here. It's a big

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change for me just thinking about having people coming into
my bubble, my safe space of my home. Because we
live on the farm as well, So twenty hours a
week with people coming. But I'm ready for that challenge
and to let more people in. And this is the
time of year where we're buying seed to just put

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in our seed order with Johnny's Seed Company, just a
wonderful company, and planning out what we're all what we're
going to plant for next summer. So it's a good plan.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Well, we're going to be discussing first, let's get into attachments,
the true nature of what we're dealing with here. I've
been speaking with quite a few guests about this topic lately.
What is the true nature of these entities that seem
to be feeding on us? There is all also what

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seems to be a physical aspect to this. You can
look at the microscopic layers of ourselves and we have
thousands and thousands of microorganisms that really kind of feed
on us at all times. We also have parasites. We
have physical microscopic parasites that are there, and we can

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experience spiritual entity spiritual parasites that also can feed on
our etheric energy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
And you talk.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
About how your alcoholism and recovery taught you about attachments
and how to protect yourself. Tell us a little bit
about your experience with this.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
Yeah, I've just I've started to really think a lot
about attachments lately, and it just it seems like something
you've been talking about on your podcast. It's been coming
up for me a lot lately. Energy healing customers are
asking me to remove them from them and so, yeah,
I really started thinking about it and I never believed

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in it or thought about it before. And let me
say everything I'm saying today, this is evolving thought. I've
changed my mind about a million things and I still
haven't figured it out. I'm so grateful to get to
talk to you about it, just because I'm trying to
figure it out. Maybe we can get a little bit closer.
But yeah, my alcoholism. For twenty years, I drank. I

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was able to kind of keep a life together and
have a career and stuff. But I basically drank to
blackout every night for twenty years. And blackout for me
was just going to sleep, passing out where I was.
Pretty much, I just didn't remember where I went to bed.
Luckily I didn't go out and end up in a
different state or you know, something crazy. I mostly stayed home,

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but there was a period of time from when I
remembered and when I went to bed, and I would
wake up not really remembering what had happened, but I
would feel a residue. Besides a hangover and all of
the physical and mental anguish that comes with a hangover,
I felt a presence. Looking back on it and the

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process of addiction, anyone who's ever had a serious addiction,
it does feel like you have a demon inside of you,
or there's something controlling you. Every day I would say today,
I'm not going to buy another bottle, And every night
when I would leave work and drive to one of
my you have to rotate your stores, drive to one

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of my stores and buy one and drink as if
it was as like it wasn't me. And so I
do feel like I never realized this until recently, when
I really started thinking about attachments. I just thought, it's
not something I'm bothered with, and just looking back on it,

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I thought, I know what those bastards feel like. I
know what it felt like inside of me when they
were in me. A very intimate corruption is the word
that comes to mind, and that I believe that there was.
This is how I'm working it out of my head.

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Those entities wanted me to black out because then they
could occupy my body. And you would say, like, well,
all you did was like sit on your couch watching TV.
That isn't very fun. Why didn't they take your body
out and go do real mischief, like go do demon
stuff and go, you know, shoot up a bunch of
people or cause mayhem. But I think there's something really

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great about being inside of a human body, and I
think they can probably control a lot of things interdimensionally,
but the human body is key for making contact. Like
you talked about the microbiome, there's universes inside of us.

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Perhaps there's consciousness inside of it. I don't know. I
think being inside of a human body allows an entity
to tap into some something that they can't do otherwise.
They want to be in a body, and the best
way they could get in my body is to make
me blackout so that I went away and I wouldn't

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mess with them, but my body was still conscious and
they would come in and do I don't know what,
but it poisoned my entire life, and I could feel
it in the morning. I could feel that it had
been there. And getting free of that, the fight that
they when they didn't get to do that to me

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anymore and didn't get to use my body that way anymore.
I feel like I'm still disentangling from it. And I
haven't had a drink since twenty thirteen. I don't know
what do you think? Does that resonate?

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
It does? It really does.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
And I've had my own experience with addiction, and even
after that, just depression and these nagging negative thoughts that
would be like this negative entity that would be berating
me with all these horrible thoughts and feelings that I

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wasn't worth something and I couldn't do anything. And it
wasn't until It was a very long process, and I
tribute a lot of my healing to meditation and plant
medicines for really helping me release a lot of those
attachments and thought forms that I carried with me for
a very long time. How did you ultimately realize that

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you had relieved yourself of these.

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
When I just had the crisis that led to me
stopping drinking, I really wanted to die very much, kill myself,
and I just decided I would if I could drink
again anytime I wanted, but that I would commit suicide.

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When if I drank again, and in a weird way,
that was a comfort to me and helped me stay sober.
I was like, you can drink anytime you want, and
then you're going to kill yourself, and then that'll be
this will all be over. But anyway, if you're struggling
with an addiction, it's possible to quit and your whole
life will be wonderful. But for me, it's a hard

(01:32:36):
sell because it really was miserable for six months, probably
just a NonStop misery, and I'd really thought, I don't know,
it was kind of a defiance of just I guess
I'm just going to see what happens, just see how
long I can bear this, and just see what happens
if I just just sit here and take it. And

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it was like a fight going on inside of me.
And I remember I was driving to work and I
drove kind of on a like an overpass and there's
a little bump in the road, and my car just
kind of I like driving over the bump. You know,
it's fun when you're going fast, you feel it, and
I just felt my heart lift up and it was
like I kind of stayed up in the air and

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didn't come back down from the bump, and it was like,
for five minutes, I felt free and that was the
first time I felt free from them, and it was
like joy. I was like, what is this what people
are talking about? And that little five minutes was enough.
I was like, Okay, I can do this. I'm going
to get back to that. And it continued to be

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a struggle, but I just found stuff, Like you know,
once you get on an awakening journey, you start meeting people,
you start podcasts start popping up into your view, you
walk into a bookstore and see the perfect book. Those
things just started happening to me. And I could feel
the difference of the clean, wholesomeness of that joy and

(01:34:05):
how different it felt from the corruption and infection of
those toxic entities and those toxic substances. And yeah, I
just got chased after that and kind of like I
will do anything to get that feeling again.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
It's incredible how we can become aware of the synchronicities
and the messages that the universe is sending us to
help us along our path. Whenever we're not under the
influence of drugs or alcohol, everything is completely dulled. It
would be impossible to notice some of those things, and

(01:34:43):
once you start coming out of it, they start to,
bit by bit slowly appear in your reality. And once
you start realizing that you have to follow those synchronicities
and follow those trails, it leads to something. That's when
the real magic begins. That's when you're healing begins. Before
we move on from attachments and microparasites, you have this

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talking point and you ask, are we in a beneficial
symbiotic relationship with the microorganisms and or entities? Are they vampiric?
Can we find a balance within that? Talk a little
bit about your understanding of that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
Yeah, this is I've really been trying to figure this out.
This is from my knowledge about soil health and how
soil works. The human microbiome shares thirty percent of the
organisms with soil. So if you like eat a carrot
that has some dirt on it, you are inoculating yourself
with healthy organisms like we share a gut biome with

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the soil. It's extremely beneficial. The way that plants are
able to convert sunlight and water and air into energy
is with the help of the microbiome that lives in
the soil and there's this beautiful micros micoorhizole zone around
the roots with these tiny little filaments that exchange. They

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take things from the soil and they give things back
to the soil, completely symbiotic, filled with microorganisms, and it's
beautiful and it's the only way that plants live and
the only way that we live. Yeah, but every things
can get out of balance very easily. Inside our own
bodies all the time, cells are dying or sick. Like

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you have some cells that are healthy and some cells
get old and are dying. There are all of the
lots of organisms within us that just eat the dead
cells and just and will attack the weak and dying cells.
So if one of my cells is still a little
bit damaged from alcohol or some other toxin that I
took in, I have bacteria that live inside me that

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that's their food and they will go eat that. And
if they didn't, I would have this build up of
dead cells inside of me that would kill me. So
extremely beneficial. They're eating something that is I need to
get rid of, and it's their favorite food. It works
out great, but again, things can get out of balance,

(01:37:15):
and I'm all I'm happy with these microorganisms that live
in me, they work it out. I think they're probably
a whole universe in there. But what something you mentioned?
What about these entities? Oh, I think the same thing
is happening in the spiritual realm or the multi in
a different dimension with entities, and some of them are

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clearing out some thought forms that are poisonous to me,
and maybe that's their favorite food and they go and
eat something that is a poisonous thought to me or
and then I don't have to deal. I don't have
it poisoning me anymore. But what if there are things
that entities that feed on my self hatred and my shame,

(01:38:03):
and they try to cause me to do things so
that they can get more of their favorite food. So
are they farming me? And you know, I don't really
want to be farmed. It feels a little bit weird.
But also I'm a farmer and I love my plants
and I love my chickens. I'm a good farmer. Maybe

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I don't mind if there's an entity that is farming me,
and what it eats is my joy, or what it
eats is the thought forms that I don't that are
negative that I don't need anymore. But if there's some
evil farmer who is making me hate myself, making me
hurt myself, making me hurt other people and cause chaos

(01:38:47):
in my life, making me, you know, watch the news
and get activated, making me spend hours scrolling just so
it can get its favorite food, which is my pain.
Like it's not cool. I need to break free of that,
and I don't know how to. I'm trying to figure

(01:39:08):
out this balance. I want that everything's eating. Everything has
to eat, and even those bad farmers who eat my pain,
I guess they have a right to exist too. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
While we're getting into this eating of energy, this loose harvesting,
this gets into the possibilities of what we are in
right now, why we're here. I've had plenty of different perspectives.
Two of the main perspectives that I really have been

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considering lately, and I lean towards the positive usually all
the time. But the negative side would be that we
are in some sort of prison planet, sort of energy
harvesting form, where these arconic entities keep us here, recycle us.
Our joy is to keep us in hopes that there's

(01:40:09):
something else so that they can keep perpetually harvesting our energy,
our negative energy, is just another form of food for them.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
So that's a.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Really dark perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
The other is based on experiences I've had through consciousness exploration,
psychedelic experiences, meditation, and especially a very profound experience recently
where my consciousness completely left my body and I was
able to see an etheric realm beyond our physical realm.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
And I went even further and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
I was able to see these endless would look like
machines that would come down with these little needles and
laser print reality into the etheric realm and beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
And then I went a realm high and saw who.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Created the machines, and it was us.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
It was me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
We created everything, and it goes back in an infinite loop.
And what we consider arcons or demons, they're there for us.
Once we face the demons or arcons, they're transmuted into
angels really And I was shown all this, and at
the same time, I was told to go back and

(01:41:25):
watch the movie Jacob's Ladder again and how that can
really explain a lot of what we're experiencing here. And
I did, and it was I had seen that movie
a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
But really didn't have the understanding of it that I
do now, and it was a really beautiful thing. So
that's where I'm at with everything. I'd love to hear
your perspective on that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
Yeah, gosh, I you it's that is so dark, and
you can get so tangled up in thinking, what if
my happiness is a trick and they are tricking me
and making me feel this love and this transcendent moment

(01:42:10):
because it's what keeps me going so they can keep
feeding on me. And if yeah, if that's true, then
it poisons even my most joyous moment because they're just
doing it to trick me, to make me stay in
this realm. Yeah maybe, but that is so dark as

(01:42:31):
far as creating our own reality. I mean, you can
prove this. You It's such a like a new age cliche,
but it is totally true. You get more of whatever
you pay attention to, Like every time. You can prove
it to yourself a million times. If you say, if
I say Honda Accord to you, and if you go

(01:42:54):
driving somewhere today, you're going to notice a bunch of
Honda Accords. Because I put that in your mind. You
can do it with the most stupid thing, blue blue butterfly.
I guarantee anybody who thinks about a blue butterfly for
two seconds, you're gonna see blue butterflies everywhere for a
couple of days. So our reality is created by our attention.

(01:43:14):
So if you focus on something, you'll get more of it.
And this is it's something that makes me think we
are the creators. I don't understand my own life. I
created kind of a hell for myself. I had a
fairly nice childhood, you know, I'm middle class, didn't have

(01:43:37):
huge hardship in my life. I tortured myself with alcoholism
for twenty years. Like what was the point? I wish?
I mean, no regrets, But why would I do that?
Why would I create that reality for myself? I probably
could have learned the lessons of alcoholism in five years,
Like how many times do you have to feel that pain?

(01:44:00):
Maybe I'm a very very slow learner. It is provable
from my experience that I'm creating reality.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:44:15):
I'm aware of so much beauty and wholeness all around
me in the farm, looking at the garden, being with
the chickens, feeling being with people that I love. I
don't think I don't know, don't I guess. I don't
care if it's not real, if it's just a trick.

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And I look at my chickens who get to live
in chicken Heaven and they get to go to fresh
pasture every day. I feed them, well, I give them
the best life I can give them. But from their perspective,
they could think that they are in a prison because
there is a fence around them, and once in a

(01:44:57):
while one of them gets out and I'll kind of
chase them, and they don't want to get caught. And
there's a kind of like a witch who lives down
the road from me, about a mile away and has
a bunch of wild chickens that get hit by cars
and eaten by coyotes all the time. But if one
of my chickens thought she could run away and run

(01:45:18):
a mile down the road and somehow survive and go
join those renegade chickens who live at the witch's house,
I would never want that to happen, because I would
I'm trying to protect my chickens, But at the same time,
for that chicken, it might think I finally made it.
I finally got away from that demon who steals my

(01:45:38):
eggs and kills me when I stop laying eggs, and
kills me and eats me when I stop laying eggs.
So like, if I try to look at their from
their perspective, maybe that is my perspective when I look
at the chickens life and her experience and her spiritual life,
Like the best thing she could do in that situation

(01:45:59):
is to be in the present moment, notice the beauty
all around her, lay beautiful eggs, enjoy her wonderful food,
walk out of the eggmobile in the morning and see
the fresh grass and the sun, feel the sunshine on
her feathers, and just like, love the present moment and
love all of the miracles of her life, and not

(01:46:23):
torture herself with thoughts of running away and getting away
from the evil farmer and even loving the farmer. So
this is what I'm struggling with. I don't know how
much I should fight them, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great analogy. Now let's go even deeper.
How much do you think belief plays a role in
our perception and our creation of everything?

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Is it everything?

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Could it be that we only live a certain out
of time because we believe that because we were told
that for centuries, and this is what our grandparents and
our great grandparents believed. Also, that we can get sick

(01:47:15):
from certain things. The pharmaceutical companies have been perpetually pounding
into our minds that all these sicknesses occur if we
do X, Y, and Z. But we're starting to see
that a lot of that stuff is illusionary. How much
of it is illusionary? Is everything we've been told illusionary?

(01:47:37):
Can there be infinite possibilities with our experience here based
on our belief and the limits of our belief? What
do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
Definitely. The I feel like I've been programmed since birth
to keep me from finding out, even the fact that
some statement like that I've heard since I was a child,
war is inevitable. There will always be.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
War, right, Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Why? You know how a little kid just always says
why why?

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
Why? And the people around the kid like, I can't
wait till he gets out of this stage, because if
you really stopped and explained to the kid why you
have to go to school right now? Why? If you
really sat down and explained why you have to go
to school, It's like because otherwise you can't fit into
this society, and you're not going to know how to live.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
You won't be indoctrinated.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
You won't be indoctrinated, and you'll be really hard to
deal with. And you can sit there and explain why.
But those little kids who are asking why, like yeah, really,
why why do you have to go to school? And
you are it is to indoctrinate you. Free energy, I'm sure,
Nikola tesla had, I'm sure that there is free energy.

(01:48:59):
Plants are able to pull energy out of the sky,
out of the air, air and water and create all
the food that we eat. Everything that we eat is
from plants, is from air and water and the minerals
in the soil. I mean, yeah, I think there's free

(01:49:21):
energy everywhere. I think we're indoctrinated. I'm a believer in
terrain theory as opposed to germ theory. As I'm sure
you could imagine. The human body is not a sterile
it's not meant to be a sterile environment.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
All our sickness essentially starts energetically, right.

Speaker 5 (01:49:43):
Yes, I believe all. I believe all sickness is a
healing process. If my nose gets stuffy, it's because it's created.
My body is creating snot to try to wash out
some toxin that I breathed in, and so yeah, it's
and it's all starts energetically probably, Yeah, it's all in sync.

(01:50:05):
It's something my body is doing. And if you're saying
we're creating, it all me getting sick or yeah, it's
me trying to clean out something that is not serving me.
It's my body doing something good to go through a
healing process and to get rid of something. It's a

(01:50:27):
lot of responsibility when you realize that you create everything,
because it's a lot of Yeah, it's a lot of responsibility.
You kind of have to take ownership for the things
that have happened in your life and your brain. It's
like programming. Immediately your brain comes in and goes, yeah,

(01:50:49):
well what about an innocent child who gets abused? Did
they really choose that? And it's like, no, it's not
like that. But it's you know, radical rat acceptance of
what has happened in your life and realizing the agency
that you have. Don't think about all the bad stuff
that happened in the past. What if you could create

(01:51:12):
what happens in the next five minutes, Because you totally can.
And it's about your reaction to it. Are you going
to fight everything all of the reality that manifests in
front of your eyes or are you going to accept
it or like try to hack it and work with it?
Like stuff is just coming towards us. What if we

(01:51:32):
could just like start working with it and just like, Okay,
you know what am I going to make out of this?

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Even though we can be in a very good place
spiritually and emotionally and even physically, others around us may
not be, and their energy can affect ours, and it
can even have these energetic attacks that follow them that

(01:52:02):
may even attach themselves just through proximity. Just by being
empathetic to that person, just by connecting with them on
some level, you might absorb some of that energy. So
you also talk about how to protect ourselves from some
of this?

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
How do you do that?

Speaker 5 (01:52:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to learn more discernment about the people
that I give my attention to, because you're going to
get more of whatever you pay attention to. I'm recognizing
a lot of addictive patterns in my relationships with people

(01:52:43):
in my past. I don't have presently. I don't have
a huge amount of friends. I would like to have
more friends than I have. In the past, I had
more friends, and in my past, like fifteen years ago,
I would say a lot of my friendships were based
on gossip. It sounds kind of silly. It's something dumb

(01:53:09):
that what women do is gossip about each other a lot,
But it's an extremely poisonous place to be tearing other
people down. But I got a charge from it. So
when I would gossip about other people that we knew
with someone, I got some kind of dopamine hit and

(01:53:30):
it made me feel better shortly, briefly for a brief
amount of time, and as soon as I walked away
from the person, I would feel much worse, and so
it poisoned me. And so I just stopped doing things
like that, Like I'm just not going to go there
with some people. I have to have strong boundaries. I'm

(01:53:50):
not going to talk bad about other people. I have
a friend right now who has a lot of physical ailments,
and she's real, I would say, from my perspective, trapped
in being a victim of all of her physical problems,
chronic disease and autoimmune disorders, and I'm trying to find
a way to talk with her, being compassionate and helping

(01:54:15):
her and hearing her talk about the ailments, but at
the same time not buying into this story. So I
always try to see her as whole and healthy and
see all of the healing that her body is doing.
So and I ask people who talk to me about
their ailments a lot. I will ask them, what's something

(01:54:35):
you love about your body? It's just you guys should
ask people the question what do you love about your body?
A lot of people can't tell you, like they have
to think about it for a minute. Love the fact
that if you cut your finger, it heals, It starts healing.
By the next day, you can notice that it is healing.
Love the fact that you can digest food and get

(01:54:56):
energy from it. Love sleeping, Love that you're body can
feel the sunlight when the sun shines on you. I'm
really sun deprived right now, can you tell? I keep
talking about the sun. It's so cloudy. So But also
it does seem that things in twenty twenty four, or

(01:55:16):
I don't know, after the last five years, maybe since
twenty twelve, things are coming to a head. And I'm
sure most of you know what I'm talking about. Things
are feel like they're speeding up and the I don't
want to say battle lines are being drawn. But I'm
not anymore trying to make everybody awaken. I'm spending a

(01:55:41):
lot of time with people who are working on themselves
and trying to awaken and trying to raise the vibration,
and I'm not spending time with people who aren't. And
so I do think it may be a time to
cut some people loose from your life. And I know
it's complicated in a lot of cases, but I'm having

(01:56:03):
a very light relationship with some people, keeping it very
surface level and not opening up too much to them.
It's possible to show compassion and love to someone without
getting sucked into the story of the negativity. The best
thing that I feel like I can do is to

(01:56:24):
love my life and work on myself and try to
raise my own vibration, and like attracts like and just
people come are drawn to me. But I also do
a lot of meditations and a lot of ceremony and
spell to set protections around myself. And so as simple

(01:56:47):
as imagining a bubble of pink light, a beautiful pink light,
and a bubble around myself, and I practice making the
bubble bigger. I do something periodically with Jared, my partner.
We go walk around the perimeter of our farm, and
it's about twelve acres, so it's kind of a long walk,

(01:57:09):
and at each of the four corners, I think there's
more than four corners, it's kind of an odd shape.
But anyway, at every corner, I stop and say a
prayer and do a little ceremony to protect the farm
and all the living beings within it. And so doing
ceremony or doing a spell, I mean, it's very simple.

(01:57:29):
You can do it just as simple as lighting a
candle or closing your eyes and setting an intention or
doing something more elaborate. But I am able. I feel
like I'm pretty able to protect myself. But I also
live a very extreme life of I don't eat processed food,

(01:57:50):
I don't eat sugar. I obviously don't drink alcohol. I
don't watch TV. I don't go on social media except
for Facebook once a week and that doesn't count. You know,
no movies, no, no, I don't watch video at all.
And so I'm doing all of these things also to

(01:58:12):
protect myself. And I think you can find your own
level of there's a lot of ways that things get
their hooks in us, and it is possible to protect.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
Go ahead, No, I'm sorry, go ahead, finish.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
Oh. I was just going to say, I'm trying to
learn how to hold that protective space for other people,
and it's also something I'm trying to work out. I
can't pull people into my protective bubble because that might
not be where they are. But I do want to
protect people. And when I see people that I love,

(01:58:50):
or even people that I like, in a dangerous place,
I want to send them. I feel my own power
and I acknowledge my own power, and I'd like to
send them protection and support them energetically. I mean, just
like you, Chris. I've meditated thinking about talking to you

(01:59:11):
today and the work that you're doing and putting yourself
out there and all of the people that you talk to,
all the crazy people like me that you talk to
every day for your podcast, and just wishing just holding
a protect imagining protection around you and blessings falling on you.
It's something I do when I encounter someone, and I

(01:59:34):
acknowledged my own power and that I'm helping. I'm actually
helping you when I do that, And I would just
urge people listening, like, don't undervalue your own power. So
offer that to other people, offer them your protection and support.
And if you see them getting attacked by entities, you

(01:59:54):
can see it pretty clearly in other people. It's harder
to see it in yourself. Wish them help with struggling
with that and figuring out how to let it go.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
While we're in the realms of magic and creation, everything
we do has this level of magic has an energetic
effect on everything else that occurs, from the way we speak,
to the words we use, to what we're cooking, our imagination,

(02:00:27):
what we're creating, what we're interacting with, it all has
an energetic effect.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
Oh, she throws up, Hello, Hey, you're back.

Speaker 5 (02:01:37):
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
It's actually it happens. It happens.

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
I remember what you're about. What I remember what we
were talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:01:46):
Perfect?

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
Perfect, Yes, magical energy that we expel every day by
anything we're doing. So yeah, we'll just pick up from there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (02:01:56):
Yeah, I would love to invite people do There's so
much magic you can do, Like a spell is just
as simple as setting an intention. You don't have to
do anything fancy, but I love kitchen magic. I love cooking.
But so it just adds so much to the experience
of making a meal. If I consider that I'm a

(02:02:16):
witch in the kitchen and that I'm putting magic into it,
what a nice thing to do for myself and for
other people to put good intentions on the food that
we're going to eat. Something as simple as water. I
have a really nice burky water filter filters out all

(02:02:36):
of the glyfe estate from the farms around here that
go into the water. It filters out the fluoride, and
I write magical words on the filter to infuse the
water that I'm going to drink with the So that's
something you can do. If you have a glass of water.
If there's something that you want more of in your life,
right abundance, write the word abundance on a little piece

(02:03:01):
of tape and put it on your glass of water,
and drinking the water then will fill you with abundance
and it brings that more into your life. You can.
We do magic spells all the time. Every word that
we say is a magic spell. If you think about
marriage when you're promising, it's like, why is that anything?

(02:03:23):
Why do we still get married, Like, what does that
even mean. It's a weird legal contract. Well, it's a
magic spell. It doesn't work that well anymore, it doesn't
last very long. But it's promising to marry someone as
you're making a contract with them, a magical contract. So yeah,

(02:03:43):
food carries energy, Water carries energy. Everything that we take
into our bodies through our eyes, or through our ears,
or through our mouth is carrying energy. And so when
you make a meal for someone, someone that you love,
or if you're ever getting chance to cook for somebody
that you're mad at, try to think about how the

(02:04:05):
food will delight them, Cook it as carefully as you can,
and just repeat positive affirmations for that person, sending them
well wishes as you're cooking it. The food will taste
amazing and it will be beneficial for the person. If
you're cooking for somebody who's sick, just infuse the food

(02:04:28):
with healing energy. I think every word that we say
is a spell. I think language is casting spells. And
so if I say a harsh word to somebody, every
time you send out an arrow of a harsh word,
the arrow has two sides, and it shoots back into
your own heart and so anything that you put out

(02:04:52):
that is negative. If I have a mean thought about someone,
an angry thought, that comes back twice to me and
into my own heart and poisons me. But if I
send out a love, especially if I can bring myself
to send out love to somebody that I don't love

(02:05:12):
at that moment, it comes back to me. You can
transform relationships with people by cooking for them, by sending
them well wishes. Don't discount your own power, is the
message that I'm saying. We all have great magical power.
There's nothing special about me. All the magic that I

(02:05:34):
do and the healing that I'm able to help people
bring about, there's nothing special about me. I just figured
out how to do what all of us can do,
and that we can do it for each other.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
If only the lizard people, the globalists, the elitists could
adopt that ideology, which I doubt that would ever occur.
Even the worst of people are creators in this world,
and they have the power to create reality. They also
have a lot of money and a lot of power

(02:06:07):
behind doing that. So they're going to have some of
the loudest voices in their creation techniques. But it's not
for our benefit. It's for their benefit. And the sooner
we realize that they are trying to create our realities
for us and it's only to make their reality better,

(02:06:28):
we can then pull ourselves out of that and begin
to concentrate on creating our own reality more.

Speaker 5 (02:06:37):
Yeah, totally, So much of my programming, I have just
learned that it is there to not to serve me.
So just think of I wanted my whole life, I've
wanted to be thought of as a hard worker. And
I really every teacher that I had when I was

(02:06:57):
in grade school and every boss I've ever had, I
wanted them to like me, and I wanted them to
think I was the hardest worker in the class or
the hardest worker at the job. And I worked so
hard and cared so much about the opinion of these
let's get into the corporate world, these corporations, the boss

(02:07:20):
who was the representative of the corporation. Most of that
did not serve me at all. It didn't it didn't
do anything good for me. It made me a slave
to that corporation and made them more money. And all
of that that I when if I would be lazy
or do something or slack off at work or daydream
during a meeting, I would think I was a bad

(02:07:44):
person and that programming was in place to make me. Yeah,
be this this awakening process is making me be an anarchist.
Like it's these corporations, don't I don't understand. Yes, we

(02:08:04):
can all create reality, and I don't understand these lizards
creating a negative reality. When I try to imagine it,
even with all the money and luxury that they might
have access to, it just feels disgusting. Their like their
daily life. I just picture that that same corruption that

(02:08:28):
I felt when I would drink alcohol and feel that
evil presence inside of me. That's what I picture, Like
somebody on a on a private jet flying to Epstein
Island or something like, in the most luxury, the most
beautiful surroundings. It just seems like, you know, I'm not

(02:08:49):
even that scared of great evil as I used to be.
I'm more disgusted by it. It just it may it
has a bad smell, and I think they if there's
any humanity left in them, they must feel that self
hatred and disgust with themselves. And they just think that

(02:09:10):
they have more money, or torture more people or whatever
that they're somehow going to get get rid of it.
And yeah, this stuff that they're trying to do to
the world destroyed all the farmers, make us all eat bugs.
You know whatever. What world do they think they're going

(02:09:34):
to live in if they succeeded in all of these things,
like there need to be some farmers left who can
grow nice food for them. I don't know. I don't
know what's going on with them.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
I have to get to one of your talking points.
You have a theory about why aliens are sticking things
in our butts all the time. I'd love to hear it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:58):
Okay, kind of goes along with what we've been talking about.
I just I know it's maybe not. I don't know.
Alien experiences change over time, abduction experiences kind of people,
and even sightings. They used to say flying saucers, and
now more people are seeing orbs rather than saucers. Anyway,

(02:10:18):
it has been common through most of my life that
a lot of times when people are abducted, they get
things stuck in their butts, and it's always like, it's
kind of funny, but it's also like why and why
would why that? And they are is and you know
that somebody from another planet is sophisticated enough to get

(02:10:40):
here and to take me from my room, you know,
onto their ship, and they the best way they can
like investigate me is to put something in my butt.
They haven't gotten anything more sophisticated. So anyway, no no
shape to anyone who has been abducted and had things

(02:11:02):
put in their butt that I'm sure that really happened.
But this is just my theory about not to discount
your experience. It's something about like those what I felt
from those entities that got into me when I drank alcohol,
how personal it felt, how unpleasant and like to my soul,

(02:11:29):
the invasion, the violation was so personal. It was the
most physically and emotionally horrible violation I have ever felt.
And I think it's evil entities are doing something. They were, yeah,
drinking my luche. I don't I'm learning what that word means,

(02:11:52):
but yeah, they were drink sucking my energy out of me.
I don't know, something really bad. So I think if
somebody has an abduction, we don't have words to talk
about a lot of things because there's no language for them.
It's just like when I say to an energy healing client,

(02:12:13):
I see a spirit standing beside you. I'm not seeing
it with my eyeballs, but I say see because it's
the only word I have for what I'm doing. It's
not seeing, it's some other sense organ but I don't
know what it's called. Anyway. When people get abducted, taken
in their mind's eye or physically or whatever, onto a

(02:12:35):
ship or the structure, and those I don't think they're nice.
I don't think they have our best interests at heart.
They are taking it, those people, and they are getting
inside of them and violating them in some horrible way.
Most people have not had things stuck in there. But luckily,

(02:12:59):
hopefully most peopleeople have not had something stuck in their
butt non consensually. They've only had it if they agree
to it or want it. And it's like the worst
thing that most people could imagine happening to their body.
I think it's the most personal and unpleasant and scary
and horrifying thing that could happen. So my theory is,

(02:13:21):
if it seems like you have this experience, your mind
is just trying to find the words to describe the
violation and unpleasantness of what you have experienced. While these
entities were with you. I don't know what they're doing exactly,
but it's some kind of they put their soule finger

(02:13:41):
in your soul butt that it's not your actual butt,
but that's just what we call it, right, And does
that make sense?

Speaker 3 (02:13:49):
Yes it does.

Speaker 1 (02:13:50):
You're theoric butt, Yes you're etheric.

Speaker 3 (02:13:53):
But yeah, it could be that.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
Whatever we're experiencing as these extraterrestrials could be the same
as any other nefarious or negative entity. Whether they are
really there to feed on us or they're there to
help us learn, that's the big question that we kind
of struggle with. I like to lean towards more they

(02:14:20):
are here to help us learn in certain ways, we
might have agreed to be put through that type of trauma, right.

Speaker 5 (02:14:29):
Yeah, I think we might have. And there may be
that it's always things trying to come back into balance.
You might have agreed to go through a certain kind
of trauma to learn something, or to work off some
karma from your past, from past lives, or for unknown reasons,

(02:14:54):
you might have agreed to it. It makes a lot
of sense, but I think sometimes things are out of balance,
and these you kind of get stuck at a stage,
just like me getting stuck at being an alcoholic for
twenty years when I probably didn't need that long to
learn the lesson. And so there's things that you can

(02:15:15):
do to I don't know, you kind of have to
realize you're done with this stage. For me, with food,
I used to eat really low vibration food, lots of
processed food, lots of sugar, which is toxic, completely toxic
to my body. And I wasn't ready to give it
up until I was ready to give it up. When

(02:15:36):
I let it go, I was at a higher vibration.
I think if a person who had a really unhealthy
diet ate what I ate for one day, it would
probably make them sick because they're probably not ready for
that yet. And so you have to It has to
happen in its own time, and there may be a

(02:15:58):
progression that you have to go through things, and you're
just not going to be ready to rise above until
you're ready. But there's something about we do have agency.
We are able to raise our own vibration, whatever that
means for you. For me, I don't know. I'm on
a frequency. I can just I can feel if I'm

(02:16:20):
at a low vibration or a high vibration. Again, that's
the best word I have to talk about it. And
sometimes when I get stuck in some old thought patterns,
I just can do things to try to raise my vibration,
and those people, or those events or those challenges, they
just kind of drop away. When I raise my own vibration,

(02:16:46):
they don't come at me anymore, and I can kind
of get out, and you kind of get out of
situations more easily than you think that you could. Just
people just fall away, or you just get laid off
from your job and then you don't have to have
that poisonous, toxic job anymore, or you know, things just happen.

(02:17:08):
So I do think there's the best thing that you
can do is try to raise your own vibration, however
that looks for you. If it's like working out, eating
healthier food, you know, being around people who uplift you,
I think that's a really great one. Listening to podcasts
that uplift you, going on a fast from negative people

(02:17:31):
or negative media, laughing anything that you can do to laugh.
Don't always try to like confront demons and the hard
things of your life head on and fight against them,
but rather try to raise your vibrations so that you'll
kind of just rise above them and they I think

(02:17:56):
it's possible. I'm still learning.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, we're up. We're all still learning very much.
I don't think I'll ever be done learning any of
this stuff. Earlier, you mentioned that you believe, and I
have this intuitive feeling as well, that we're on some
sort of precipice that there is going to be a
paradigm shifting event that will change the consciousness of everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:18:20):
On the planet.

Speaker 1 (02:18:21):
And it could be that we have to go through
dark times before and it's a transmuting experience, or it
could be just this massive event that changes everything. Nobody
really knows, but a lot of us have the feeling
that something big is on the horizon. Tell us a

(02:18:43):
little bit about your feelings on that and how we
could essentially prepare for anything like this.

Speaker 5 (02:18:52):
Yeah, this has changed a lot. I am in I've
always been a very lucky person. In twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen,
I was living in a city, I had a corporate job,
and I didn't know anything about pharmaceuticals or health or anything.

(02:19:17):
And I've gone through a huge awakening process where I
left my corporate job and left the city. I live
in a very rural area. I'm a homesteader. I have
a farm. I know how to grow my own food.
I'm self sufficient. And there's been a pandemic happened during
that time where we really saw about supply chain issues,

(02:19:41):
how authoritarianism could possibly come about. We saw people's rights
taken away, we saw lockdown's horrible things. A lot of
people have told me like, how did you know? How
did you know to get out of the city and
go become a homesteader. I'm just lucky. I've always just

(02:20:02):
things have worked out for me that way. I didn't
plan it at all. It was kind of half assed.
I just fell into it, fell into being a farmer.
But here I am, and I am self sufficient. I
have tons of stored freeze dried food. We would be okay.
But I don't really want to tell people when I
talk do sessions with people who are living in a city,

(02:20:25):
and they go, well, what should I do? I feel
it coming? Should I try to buy a farm? I
think the time is past. And I don't mean that
it's too late for you, but I mean I have
this wonderful farm. Literally, I could get hit by an
asteroid or that East Palestine railway accident. I live close
to a railroad something full of diocs and could fall

(02:20:46):
over and I couldn't live here anymore and my farm
would be ruined, and it could happen that I'm I
can almost see it in my head that I'm standing
on a road alone and I'm in the same position
as somebody in a city, in an apartment with no
stored food. That's a horrifying thought. And a part of

(02:21:08):
me wishes to be more of a prepper and like
try to imagine every possible terrible thing that could happen
and be prepared for it. Get more ammo, like like
how to defend and have enough food for five years.
I don't think that matters anymore, and I think it's
too late even for me. I like homesteading. I'm gonna
I'm gonna prep as much as I can, But what

(02:21:31):
I need to do is be ready in my heart.
I need to work on my own energy, clean up
my own energy, like hold the vision of the world
that could be, and stop being afraid of war and authoritarianism,
like stop being scared of the Rectilian people like they're
they're they're foolish that that's you know, find the I

(02:21:55):
think I have what I need inside my heart and
in my hands right now, if with nothing totally alone,
but I don't have to be alone. I'm finding other people.
I'm talking to you. I've met a lot of your
listeners who booked sessions with me. There are amazing people
out there, and so I just would say, if you

(02:22:20):
feel it coming, work on yourself. It's the best best
thing that you can do. Prep and do whatever you
can that's fun and enjoyable and that you're able to
do with the resources that you have right now. But
mostly clean up your own energy, and you know what
that means to you. Don't be dependent on things that

(02:22:40):
drag you down. Get free, free yourself from as many
things that you can. Use cash as much as you can,
because when you use cash, you have to look another
person in the eye, and you can exchange that energy
for real. Develop the discernment so that when you look someone,

(02:23:01):
when you meet a stranger, you can see right away
if they're one of your people or not. There are
more of us than you think. That cashier at the
grocery store could be a witch. She could be looking
for a friend to talk about her visions that she has.
People light up differently for you when you have eyes

(02:23:21):
to see. I'm sure you've just met someone and you
feel like you know them. Talk to those people. We
need to find each other and learn how to recognize
each other. And don't waste time with the people that
are that look blurry or dark to you. Just let
them go. The time is short, so but you have

(02:23:43):
everything that you need right now.

Speaker 3 (02:23:46):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:47):
Great note to end on Becca, thank you so much.
Before we close out, remind the audience how they can
book a session with you. Find out more about you
all the good stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:23:58):
Yeah, if you go to reach out enerativelifefarm dot com
that you can read all about the farm there. But
there's also a page called energy Healing. You can book
a session there. They're very inexpensive. I do them on
the phone or over zoom and just try it. If
you go to my page. If you go to that

(02:24:20):
energy healing page at Regenerative Lifefarm dot com and just
read it and just if you feel something, if you
feel drawn to it, if you feel like it might
be for you, just book and I have put spells
on there to make sure that it will be beneficial
for both of us. If you go to it and
you just go, huh, what is all this, it won't

(02:24:40):
be beneficial and don't even bother. But if you will
just visit there, I think you'll know right away if
we should talk or not. And yes, I would love
to talk to any of you. Anybody who listens to
this is an on a one awakening journey, and you're
one of my people I can tell. And so thank

(02:25:01):
you so much Chris for getting to talk about work
out these ideas with you. It really helps me refine
my thinking and try to figure it all out. I
think we solved it all, don't you.

Speaker 3 (02:25:10):
Oh, we got another piece of it. At least we'll
say that. I'll say that much. Becca, Thank you so much.
This was fantastic.

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