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regular writer and contributor to La Morzouli's monthly newsletter Politics prophecy,
and the supernatural. She is a wife, mother, and grandmother.
She worked in the software industry for many years before
leaving to raise her family. For as early as she
can remember, she has been abducted by non human alien entities,

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possibly hundreds of times, and has seen many UFOs and
UAPs throughout her lifetime. Karen, welcome, How you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hi, Chris, thank you's doing great. Thanks for having me.
I'm very very happy to be here with you. Day.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, I'm happy to here. I'm very excited to get
into today's discussion. We're going to get into your experiences
and provide your insight to the activities and motives of
certain extraterrestrial beings. And you have unfortunately had some extremely
unpleasant and traumatic experiences from this phenomena, and I know

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that it's very important that we explore all sides of this,
and that's what we do here on this show. That's
what this show is all about. Now, before we get
into your experiences, this is your first time on tell
the audience a little bit about yourself and how this
all started for you.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Great, well, Chris, I'm just an average everyday wife, mom, grandma,
you know, working and I really never expected any of
this to happen. But what's not average about me is
that I've been taken by non human alien entities from

(03:06):
my earliest memories, from as early as I can remember.
And so it started, like I said, from as early
as I can remember. And I never really expected that
I would be sharing this information, But here I am today,
and God really put me on the path. And so

(03:27):
that's my general information in that show.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Great Now, from what you can remember from the earliest experiences,
tell us about your recall.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
From that, right, I've always had these memories. It's not
like some kind of memory that just suddenly appeared later
in life, or that I went through any kind of
there regression or anything like that. These memories just were
always with me. I was remembering a lot of what
was happening to me, obviously not every time, but many times.
And so I from my earliest memories, I would wake

(04:05):
up at night and just feel a change in the
room and they would be there. There would appear usually two,
sometimes four of the typical what you call gray alien
entities that most people are familiar with, the bulbous heads,

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the big black vacuus screen looking eyes, and that's where
the abduction experiences would start. You know, I was so little,
and I didn't understand what was happening to me. I
didn't understand who and what they were. We didn't have
the things we have today, you know, we didn't have

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the books and the movies and the podcasts and things
to explain it. So for me, it was just such
a terrifying and confusing experience. And I was just always
looking for a way to hide, a place to hide
from them. And you know, I am even in my
book I write about you know, when I was little,

(05:07):
I thought maybe if I could find a suitcase that
was big enough and get it under the bed and
get in it and zip it up, because my Grandma
had zip up suitcases, that they wouldn't be able to
find me there. You know, I was just anything I
could do to try to get out of their reach
because it was terrifying and I didn't know what it was.
I didn't realize who and what they were.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Now, how did your understanding of what was happening begin
to evolve and unfold? And how did you become aware
of the motives of these beings?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Sure, you know, I think that came much later in life.
But as I was growing older and as more information
was coming out, I realized, you know, I do much
later in life when I realized kind of what they were.
And it still didn't know for sure, because you know,
every time I would see even until just recently, every

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time I would see a picture, a book with a
picture on it, or a movie or a television show
or something like that, I could not watch or read
anything about this because it was too scary and too
triggering for me. You know, this thing has been in
my life all my life. And what happened is I
had a near death experience. I call it in the

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book a near life experience because it was closer to
life than death. And I really feel like my life
kind of started over at that point where I was
in a hospital and I was given a paralytic instead
of a sedative. No one was around me. I was
just in an operating room waiting for the surgery to start,
and I died on the operating table. And it was

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an amazing experience. I mean, I just it was the
most peace and love I've ever felt my life. It
was just a beautiful sense of love and peace, and
you know, it struck me the most is it. I
was still me, I still had my personality. I still
felt like myself without you know, the body, but just
who you are to yourself was still with me. And

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after that, though, I went through some PTSD therapy because
the fact that I was paralyzed and just lay there
and dying and died on the table was like drowning
without water, and I just had terrible PTSD from it.
So that therapy actually helped me deal with the other
things that had been twigging me my whole life, these

(07:30):
experiences that I had had with these non human entities.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now just have to ask real quick, you were under
a paralytic Were you also aware of the pain and
the sensations that were occurring.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, absolutely until and so yeah, my body felt like
cement and I couldn't breathe, And I think that just
overtook more than anything else, because I realized, oh, no,
you know, I can't breathe. I can't signal to anyone.
There's no one around me. I wasn't hooked up to

(08:05):
anything yet. There were some nurses messing around with things
in the room. My doctor was in another room because
once I had I'll get to that, But so all
of a sudden and I'm just like, God help me.
It was and all of a sudden, I heard a
voice this clear day in my head say it's okay,
you can let go now, which sounds kind of corny,
but it's exactly what the voice said. And just in

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the instant, like in a blink of an eye, not
even I was out of my body and there was
no pain, there was no fear, it wasn't there was
just nothing. It was just happy and blissful and peaceful
and beautiful and lovely. And I could see everything happening
in all the rooms around the room I was in.
It's like you, walls didn't stop me from seeing. I

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could see the doctor getting ready, and I saw the
nerse run in and tell him that I wasn't breathing,
and he comes running in yelling bagger bagger, And you know,
I watched them to revive me, and eventually they intubated me,
and then they got me breathing again and everything went black.
So I'm assuming at that point I popped back into
my body and the recovery process was really difficult. I've

(09:14):
had many surgeries from what has happened to my body
is they can't just explain why. And they were trying
to bring me out of the anesthesia and recovery. Every
time they would, I was screaming and paining so badly.
I'm thinking, you know, coming back into this body was
not an easy jump. And every time they tried to

(09:38):
bring me out of anesthesia, they had to put me
back to under because in sedatea because they didn't want
me to have a heart attack or a stroke. What
already had a stroke at that point, which is why
this side of my face doesn't move very much, just
in case anyone's wondering. But about three and a half
hours into that, I just I remember them bringing me.

(10:00):
I'm screaming in pain, and I'm just like, God, help
me again, and all of a sudden, too orderly shove
the foot of my bed and they helped me through it.
They calmed me down. I felt love and peace from them,
just like you remind me and my kids. Oh you
remind me and my sons. You're just so sweet, so beautiful,
Thank you. I was just thanking them profusely. We get

(10:20):
up to the room and I want to introduce my
husband and my daughter in law to them, and they're
not there. And nobody knows who I'm talking about. So
I had an angelic experience with these guys. You know,
they didn't have any and I realized thinking about it, Yeah,
they were just two young men wearing scrubs. They look
like orderlies, but they didn't have any badges. They didn't

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have anything, you know, like that stethoscopes around their neck,
nothing like that. And they were just gone and nobody
you know, And they were with me all the way
up to the room. And so I'm like saying to
the nurse, well, they were right here in the elevator
with us. They came down the hall with this where
they go, nobody knew who I was talking about. They're like, honey,
there was no one else with you. You must be
you know. So that was a really amazing So, you know,

(11:03):
there are amazing experiences that happen too. There are really good,
beautiful angelic experiences out there. And I put those things
in the book because I don't want it to be
just this awful, scary account of what's happened in my life,
because they've got things too.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I've only experienced the positive, beautiful angelic side of this,
and that's all I can frame my references from experiences
from So that's how I love to hear the other
side because it's so important, because there is this other
side that so many people, probably just as many people experience.

(11:41):
So apologies for cutting you off where where we were.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, No, you're fine. That's that's good. And yeah, I
mean beautiful experiences and experiences with good, angelic, nonfallen, non
evil beings. You know, that's that's wonderful. We need to
share more of those stories because I feel like everyone
gets really hung up on the scary stuff. I get it,
I understand. But after that, when I had that PSD therapy,

(12:07):
it actually helped me deal with this to the point
that I'm like, I have to now that I'm dealing
with it, you know. I talked to my husband about it,
talked him through it, and I'm like, I'm not sure
what to do with this, And God led me to
La Marzouli. I met him at a conference and shared
my story and it became a part of his fourth

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movie in the UFO series on abductions, on the abduction Phenomenon,
And I was terrified when that came out because here
I was putting my testimony out there, telling my story,
my face, my words were out there like thank you
for being brave enough, and I'm just like, I'm not sure,
I'm not brave. But it was out there, and people

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started coming out to me and thanking me for sharing
that story because they had similar stories and just didn't
feel like there be anyone that could share that with
any way to deal with it, anyway to work through it.
And so it led me to write the book because
I wanted to share more more about what happened, and

(13:13):
more about to stop it too. If someone's in one
of these positions where they're being taken against their will
and it's not a good situation and they're not benevolent creatures,
then I wanted to share how to stop it as well,
and share the truth about what going on my whole life,
because this is just like this ugly little secret that
that isn't out there and needs to be out there,

(13:34):
because it's not just these alien entities. There were humans
there too the whole time, from the time I was little,
there were the other children there, There were other humans there.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now were these humans seemingly in military garbs, not all.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Of them, some of them were you could tell someone
were kind of like guards and things like that. But
the funny thing is the military uniforms weren't weren't well,
I guess they were pretty similar, but that there were
people that were in like lab coats or people that
were in like street clothes, and then there were people
that were in these like weird, really benign kind of

(14:15):
beige looking smocks and pants kind of outfits that didn't
that were just all the same, you know, so like
they didn't stand out there just as a really kind
of unisex benign outfit some people had on. And yeah,
from the time I was little, these people were there.
And I realized later in life that some of these

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people I don't think had any idea what they were
getting into and didn't really want to be there. But
at that point, I think, once you're in there, you're
you know, you're in a program that you're threatened not
to stop. I know they were threatening people because they
utilized me as part of the threat process. So yeah,
from the time I was little, there and I wanted

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to I want to share that because you know, our
starting to talk about it, but they're not still not
talking about their involvement in it.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Were these experiences physical or would you consider them a
inner consciousness experience?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
These were physical, tactile experiences. I was physically taken from
my home, physically abused, physically sexually abused, physically physically abused.
You know, I had tests done on me. I had
you know, anything you can imagine, blood taken, checking every
part of my body, physical examinations, internal examinations, very things

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that are very intrusive throughout my whole life. You know,
I marked. I'd come home, wake up with marks on
my body. I'd wake up with my pajamas inside out.
When I was little and they'd show up, I would
wet the bed, things like that, just because I was
as scared when they were coming, you know, and I
didn't know how to stop it. I mean, I couldn't
stop them from taking me. And there was a short

(16:02):
reprieve for a little while in my late teens early
twenties when I was going to a faithful church with
my friends, and I had really found my faith in
my studying the Bible and found that. But then I
fell away from that, and when I did, it started
up again, just like it had little.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Warm Interesting could you possibly go over some of the
most profound experiences to your best ability to tell us
what was happening, what they were doing, and then we'll
get into the y after are.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I can go through like a typical scenario as far
as when they would take me sure usually, like I said,
I would feel the room. I just feel change in
the atmosphere, you know, And sometimes there would be a
very low home. Sometimes a bright light would come through
the window or be outside the window. When we were

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in the country, sometimes the all the crickets and toiketas
and night noises would just stop and go silent. And
when these gray entities would show up, they would switch
me into a state of sleep paralysis where I could
still see and hear everything going on, but I couldn't move,

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I couldn't do anything to fight back or to defend myself,
and they would levitate me off the bed and I
would literally go up through a ceiling or out a
closed window. And I know that sounds impossible, but you know,
the feeling my body would be like this intense vibratory
feeling where it felt like I was made out of

(17:40):
a million bazillion ball bearings or little pieces or something.
And you know, as you're going as I would be
going through. It was just the strangest sensation. I don't
have anything here I can compare it to very well.
And so that would and sometimes at that point too,
I would be kind of switched off, like turn to sleep.

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And often there would be screen memories given to me.
So I would be there, I'd wake up on a table,
they'd be doing examinations. I'd be very unhappy with that,
and so all of a sudden it would looked like
I was somewhere else, you know, like a happy place,
like and walking around the farm in the field or
something like that. You know, they try to mask what's happening,

(18:22):
or just switch you back off, put you back to sleep,
like they would for surgery or something like that. So
for me, there are times when I have a lot
of memories of just walking around, walking around the hallways.
Generally I was underground in a facility, because we would
get in these elevators that would just go straight down

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and it seemed like a long way. They were cold,
and then I would get on. What I would describe
and what felt like to me is another elevator that
went side to side, and I always described it as
an elevator when I was little thinking about it too,
because it didn't have any noise and it didn't bump
like a vehicle wood or a train or something. But

(19:05):
now I realized that it was most likely like a
high speed rail type system that I was being put on,
because there were seats, it was larger than a normal elevator,
and it was It was also very cold. I just
remember always being cold when I was little. I would
try to go to sleep and clutch my blanket, and
I called it my cold blanket. Not because the blanket

(19:27):
was cold, but because I wanted it, because I knew
it was going to be cold, and I would just
if I thought if I clutched it, i could when
they got me, it would stay with me and i'd
have something to keep me warmer. But you know, so
a lot of things like that. A lot of times
I would have needles, you know, put into my chest
or into my neck or different. You know, I don't

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know if they were inserting. I don't know what they
were doing. Honestly, Sometimes it seemed like X ray machines,
machines and things I didn't understand when I was younger.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Definitely, was there any particular of event that prompted you
to come out with this information.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
The event that prompted me to come out with it
was after I had done the PTSD therapy and I
was dealing with it. I realized and I had all
these missing pregnancies where I knew that they were taking
the baby. They would I would get pregnant, I would
have the pregnancies verified by a doctor. I would be,

(20:26):
you know, very pregnant, like in the first trimester, and
it will be verified, you know, all the tests and
go to the doctor and everything. And then in some
time at the end of the first trimester, I would
have terrible pain, but I wouldn't pass anything, you know,
nothing comes out. And then I would so go into

(20:46):
emergency room, see a doctor and they would do an
ultrasound or the thing and no heartbeat, no baby, have
a DNC, no fetal tissue. Baby just going no fetal tissue.
If you have as normal miscarriage, there's going to be
something lapped inside. Nothing. It was clean. And I knew
that they were what they were doing because I had

(21:08):
had instances where I was taken and given a baby
to hold a hybrid.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I was just about to ask you that.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, and that was really I mean, just losing these
pregnancies alone was so heartbreaking because I didn't get to
mourn those babies. I didn't know what happened to them.
I didn't know what was going on, and I was
just it was so hard. And then they give me
this baby to hold. So I'm going down this hallway.
So in this instance, I'm going down this hallway right,

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and it's just lined with what looks like aquariums in
the wall. I don't know if you've ever been to
a pet store or the walls like lined with aquariums,
but that's what it looked like.

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Speaker 2 (23:14):
Only there weren't fishing them, they were fetuses in them.
And the hallway and the aquariums was lit like red,
like backlit kind of red. So it was really dark,
like almost in a when you're doing photo development kind
of thing like that kind of red. So there's a
real dark, darkly lit back that kind of red color,

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kind of a red purple color. And at the end
of the hallway they took me into a room. There's
a small room like the size of a big closet,
and there was another woman in there with a baby,
and they one of these. It's a gray. There's a
different kind of gray than the kind that come would
come to pick me up when you're in the facilities
or on a ship or wherever you are with them.

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There's one that's They're taller, they look different, they have
more wrinkled skin in their eyes, move side, decide, they
have mouths that open, they have a lot more features
to them. They're more, they have a lot more, they're more,
have more normal build to them than the more. Yeah,
they look more more physically accurate than the types of

(24:17):
grays that people see. I have a lot. I've written
a lot about the bays that come to get people
because I really believe they're like an avatar, like a
skin suit. Anyway, this one, this gray looked like a woman. Man,
it's so hard to tell. You can't tell they's there.
Androgeness really hands me this little baby, and it's very small,

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and it's very reddish purple in color, and it's very
curled up into itself. Its head is big, bigger than
a normal baby's head would be. Its eyes were very large,
and I held held it up to me, but it
wouldn't cuddle into my body. It was just like holding
an empty, you know, sack of flower or something up

(25:01):
about it. It just wouldn't cuddle into me. And it
was alive, but it just didn't respond to me. And
I'm holding it against me trying to you know, I
knew it was mine. I could tell just by looking
at it. There's some instinct that you know, moms have, Well,
we know which babies are so we can pick them
out of crowd. You know, I knew that was my baby.
And I held it up to me, it just went

(25:21):
cuddle into me. And I was getting really upset because
I'm like, what's wrong with my baby? And she kept
he it, kept telling me it's a good baby. It's
a good baby. It's fine, just hold your baby. It's
a good baby. And I'm like, it's not. Something's wrong
with it. And then you know, they got want to
take it back, and I didn't want him to take
it back though I wanted to keep it. I'm like, no,

(25:42):
I want to take it home. I want to take
it with me. I want to keep it. No, you
can't keep it, you know, and then switched off just
because I was getting combative about it. I wasn't going
to let go of my baby, and it was that
was just, that was really just, it was really hard
to deal with. Like I said, once I had the

(26:02):
PTSD therapy, I was able to start to process these
really difficult events and feelings. And then I really I wanted.
I knew if those babies were still out there and
they were still alive, I wanted them. I wanted to
take care of them. I wanted to see them. I thought,

(26:24):
they're half me, They've got to be half good in
them or something. I can help them, I can raise them,
I can be a part of their life. I want those.
I mean, I have children. I love my children. They
are my life. I love them. I have children that
I've adopted. I have children that are natural born to us.
I love my children, and so I wanted these children too.

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And I woke up one night and there were three
beings standing by the end of my bed, and I
knew they were my kids. They weren't human, but they
were not human. They were somewhat human. They looked enough
like my kids to be my kids, because initially I
thought they were my other kids, and my other kids

(27:10):
are grown, but they're at home a lot. So I
said one of their names out loud, and I'm like,
what are you doing? And then I realized, oh, that's
not him, that's not them, that's and I was very
excited because all of a sudden, I realized these are
my kids. I wanted to jump off the bed and
just get them, you know. But as soon as I
you know, and I hit my husband, I'm like, wake up,

(27:32):
wake up, you know, and he's not moving and I'm like,
what are you doing here? And all of a sudden,
I get hit with sleep prowses, like a wall of water,
just m and they're like, come with us, come with us,
and so and I'm like no, no, you know, I'm had.
They're talking to me in my head now because now
I get sleep prowses. Now I can't even vocalize. I'm like,

(27:54):
now I can't, I can't come with you. But I
just feel this evil coming off of them. Right, should
have mentioned that too. I wanted to just jump up
and hug them, but they're looking at me like they
want to kill me. I'm like, what's wrong, you know?
And they just they had zero love for me. They
were just evil. It was just emanating off of them.

(28:15):
They were probably about four and a half feet tall.
Maybe they were really dark in color, like almost a
purplish color skin, and their eyes were very very dark,
and where they were standing, it was really dark around them,
Like I don't know if that had something to do with,
you know, if they were in another astral or something,

(28:36):
but they didn't look They looked as physically real as
you know, as someone else standing beside me, So it
didn't seem like that. But and they just they want
they so they started trying to levitate me off the bed,
and I felt that, and I felt that old familiar terror,
and I'm like, no, you can't just take me. I mean,
if I was going to go, I was gonna go

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of my own, will you know. And all sudden I'm like, no,
you can't just take me in Jesus name no. And
as soon as I said the name Jesus, they were gone,
and my husband sat up. It was like, what like
he had just heard me And it had been like
five minutes, you know, or ten minutes or however long
it had been for the interaction between us, and I'm like, wow, okay,

(29:23):
I guess there isn't anything there for me with them.
You know, they didn't really want to love me, they
didn't want they were just it just it was just
there was nothing kind there, there was no love there.
And I felt like God gave me that experience so
I could see that I hadn't lost anything that you know,

(29:49):
I had not done anything that I was supposed to do.
Let'spow it that way, because I had lost something. I've
lost children and it's devastating and I'm literally just getting
to the point where I can talk about this without crying,
and because it's then, I'll probably cry later about it,
but it's just still so devastated. But so that happened
and that's when I thought, I got I have to

(30:10):
talk to somebody about this, and I'm like, who do
I talk to? And I heard an interview with Elie
Marzuli on somebody's show, and so I reached out to
him and he told me to meet him at this
conference that was nearby us if I wanted to talk
and share my story. So I did, and that's how
an interview can be. I really didn't I did not

(30:31):
know I was going to sit down and tell him
my story. I really didn't think I was going to
go into all of that, but I did, and that's
what led to then you know, that coming out and
everything and just and the whole thing went from there.
Then I was running it. After that came out. Then

(30:52):
it's you know, it's on film. I'm out there. I'm
sharing that story and people are coming to me thanking
me for sharing testimony, and I didn't expect that, and
then wanting to tell me their stories, and I didn't
expect that, and then people had a lot of questions.
I didn't expect that. So that's when I really felt
compelled to write the book. And it was a very strong,

(31:13):
strong urge to write the book, and that's when I
started doing that.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Well, I'm glad you did. Sure there's many others that
are extremely happy that you did, because sharing your story
definitely helps others understand what's going on with them. And
I get a sense that this is happening to a
lot more people than we could ever realize, which I
want to get to in a minute, but before we do,
there's a few things that are happening behind what you

(31:40):
just discussed with the hybridization program that I want to
get to. And you believe that This is a very
important aspect of what could be unfolding in our reality
right now, as far as an extremely notarious extraterrestrial agenda.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right right, I really do, I really do. Yeah. I
think that the hybridization program as well underway. You know,
you see people being taken and have them you know,
sperm and owen ovum sorry, eggs, blood take in. You
see the cattle mutilations where they're draining these cattle of

(32:16):
blood and fluids, and cattle bovine blood is very compatible
with human blood, and I think they're utilizing that in
this whole process and utilizing blood and tissue for the
breeding processes. I think they're utilizing it for their own
selves as well. I think that they feed off of
that as well, And that's that's kind of another part

(32:42):
of the story. But and so, yeah, I do think
there's a breeding program. I think they're selecting people with
certain genetics. That's why they stay in family lineages, because
when they find someone who's genome is compatible enough to
be able to create a hybrid entity, they want to
stick within that genetic lineage and keep working with it.

(33:02):
So people also say, why do you think it runs
in family as well, you know, you that the genetics
are similar from one generation to the next, especially if
one person has the same blood type as the mother
and the grandmother or the grandfather or whatever whoever was
being taken.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Now, you alluded to this earlier, and I want to
explore this deeper, that the the understanding we have of
extraterrestrials is limited when it comes to what's really happening
in those realms, and it's more of a spiritual war, right.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I do think so? Yeah, I believe these entities that
I have been in contact with, not the good angelic
entities that I've had, like in my experience in the hospital,
but the ones that were taking me. And I had
a a gentleman with me my whole life, I call
I Taught. I write about him in the book and

(33:57):
describe him as my handler. He was with me my
whole life. He was every when I was taken, he
would be there. He would be there to keep me calm,
to guide me, to give me information, to teach me.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
And he seemed human too.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
He appeared as a human until later in life when
I really felt a great deal of affection and comfort
with him, and I asked him to you know, show
me what he really looked like, because I knew he
didn't really look like that, because I would see sometimes
when we were in the middle of certain activities it
was like static, and I would see him start to change,

(34:37):
and so I knew he looked different. And he showed
me his true identity. Sorry, I'm having trouble with my
throat today. He showed me his true identity, and he
was what you might call a reptilian. He I've looked
at pictures, I've looked for anything that might look like him.
I haven't seen anything that looks like him. There's some

(34:58):
that are kind of similar. He was truly beautiful. He
was very tall, very muscular, I mean like eight feet
tall at least. I'm not really good at judging, you
know that, but he was very very tall. When he
would show me that, it was like, I don't know
if I was seeing like a hologram image when I

(35:19):
was seeing the man, or if it was shape shifting
because he was too much, really tactilely a man to
not I don't think be changing his complete form. But
when he shifted into the reptilian form, I mean, he
was beautiful. He was absolutely stunning. I mean it was

(35:42):
the typical you know, flat ears back against the head.
His nose was a very flat and triangular to the
tip against his face, you know, kind of ridged eyebrows
and a very long, kind of ridged mouth. But he
had like these skit they weren't scales, but scales is
the best way I can describe it. And they were

(36:03):
like apoleescent like opals, like that blue green, kind of
beautiful opal kind of color, almost sparkly. He was beautiful,
I mean, and I was very attached to him. I mean,
he was with me, and he made me feel safe
because I saw terrible, you know, things happening in the
backgrounds where I could hear other bad things happening to
other people. I knew with him I was safe to

(36:25):
a degree, I mean, because still I was being raped,
I was being tortured. Were things that were happening to me.
But it was supposedly for the greater good, you know.
And but I believe that he was a fallen angelic entity.
And I believe that except for the grays that come

(36:46):
to the type of grays that would be in the room,
you know, the kind of grays that most people see,
the shorter grays that these and these entities that I
was in contact with on these ships were underground where
was mostly under These underground facilities are fallen angelic entities.

(37:06):
And I know that sounds kind of out there, but
they're not from another planet. I was never taken to
another planet. They never were coming in going from anywhere.
This is where they lived underground. They're right beneath our feet.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
These entities are smarter than we are. They're far more
advanced than we are. They understand going in and out
of different realms, different astral realms, and things that we
don't do. You know, they're far older than we are
there from a time they were created long before us.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
This is incredible. As far as the hybrids and possibly
these shape shifting beings, if they can shape shift into
a human at will to a believable enough degree that
they may be, they may be among us right now
as well as the Hybrid's correct.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
They could be. I personally, he never personally came into
my space outside of being the underground facilities. I don't
think that they can be in our sunlight or something
like that, because I never ever saw him in my

(38:26):
home or outside during the daylight, ever, and I think
there are a lot of limitations on them that we
don't understand. But I don't know what those limitations are.
All I know is where I've never seen them. And
the grays seem to always be the ones that people
run into, you know, as far as when they're being taken,

(38:47):
And the grays are basically an avatar, like a meat
suit for lack of a better word. I've seen the
empty gray suits, you know, stacked on the floor. Other
abductees have seen them hanging up on hangers or stacked
in drawers or in corners, and I believe that these

(39:08):
are just like avatar suits they use that either they
can get into, they can use AI to run them.
And I think they're also inhabited by demonic entities, by demons. Biblically,
we know and from the Book of Enoch that demons
are the disembodied spirits of the Nephileene. So they would
be these, you know, they would be a step below

(39:29):
the following angelic beings, and these guys would be you know,
able to order them around and that kind of thing.
And they're always looking for a body, so a gray
suit would make perfect sense for them. To be in,
especially the way they act too. They're just evil, but
they can't speak because that mouth doesn't open on the
gray suit, you know, and those things are like frail,

(39:49):
they're they're not very they're not they're it looks like
you could just break them in half.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Do you think what's happening with the mainstream disclosure and
all the information coming out of those areas that we
are going to within our lifetime have an experience where
humanity encounters these beings?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well, I mean you mean all of humanity, like they're
brought and just brought forth in in front of us.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, not necessarily, but maybe that there's something that may
occur that we have an understanding that they are real.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, oh okay, yeah, because I think a lot of
humanity is already having experiences and encounters these things. I
think more than we know. You know, most people don't
want to come forward with this because people will say crazy.
And I get that, I mean, I really do. I
understand that better than most. But it's really happening, and

(40:51):
it's really happening to so many people. I mean, you
have no idea how many people I hear on on
a daily basis about this thing. But so I think
people already have a lot of contact. I mean, we
know we've had crashed ships. We know our government has
admitted to having the ships, they admitted to having the
biologic the bodies. I don't think we'll ever get full disclosure,

(41:23):
not from our current leaders. And I say that because
they would have to admit to their involvement. And like
I said, there have been humans involved in this all along.
And we're not talking about just picking people up and
grabbing some genetic material and dropping them off. We're talking

(41:46):
about raping women in from crowds of people so that
they won't talk. We're talking about, you know, stealing fetuses
from when they're pregnant. These are just things that have
happened to me, you know, And I'm sure worse atrocities
have happened to other peop people. And I've talked to
other people who've had terrible things happen, but I won't
share the stories that aren't mine.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
But well, so you see a greater connection with the
agendas that have been unfolding recently, and the connections to
the shadow, the entities that are behind the scenes and
possibly working with our military industrial complex and three letter agencies.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
You know what I mean, right, right? Oh, definitely, yeah,
I mean I don't. I think that connection's been there
and I think that will continue to be there. And
the problem is it's getting harder and harder to hide
these things because we are living in an age where
we you know, if something happens in Australia, I can

(42:42):
see that in a second from someone, you know, they
can share that information in stantaneously. And we're all carrying
around these little computers in our pockets that can take
videos and pictures and we can all look things up.
And there's just so much information sharing now that instead
of things being old wives tales or folk tales or
written down and maybe someone might get a copy of

(43:04):
the book, we're sharing this information in real time. So
it's getting harder and harder to hide. Like if Oswell
happened today, all those people would have had all of
that on their phones and that would be all over
the internet. Right they can't stop them all. You know,
someone's going to have a copy of it somewhere. So

(43:24):
I think that it's just getting harder and harder not
to have some form of disclosure. And I think we
will continue to see more information come out, just because
I think the more information that accidentally comes out, I
think that's what's going to dictate how much we're given
and how much we're let how much, how much is

(43:46):
released to the general public, because unless they have to,
unless the powers that be, the three letter agencies that
people doing these things, unless they have to, they don't
seem like they want to let go of anything. Because
we have these whistleblowers and all these people who are
trying and trying to talk, but it still be they're
still being gag they're still being muzzled, they're still not

(44:08):
allowed to share, and there are still deathbed confessions going on,
and there are still people who are trying to talk
but then constantly being attacked, people like me, people like
La Marzelli. You know, there's a lot of people out
there that trying to share, people like you, trying to
share good information, and they get they get stopped at

(44:29):
every turn because they don't want all this information out there.
So but I think the more information that comes out,
the more they'll have to share. I don't think that
the public is going to have a problem with it.
There was like, oh, people will panic, It'll be like
War of the world's again. You know, they need to
give people more credit. I think people are really able
to handle that information and make their own choices and

(44:52):
make their own choices as to what they believe these
entities are and what they believe their purposes. I don't
believe them to be our benevolent space others. I'm not
asking everyone to believe the way I do, and I'm
not discounting anyone else's thoughts or accounts of things that
have happened to them. I think anyone coming forward should
be applauded, supported and listened to. And I think people

(45:14):
should just make their own decisions and choices based on
the information they have and the information they can find,
and then they need to just pray about it and
choose how they want to believe personally. The things that
happened to me, they weren't benevolent. Kidnapping a small child
that's not good behavior, Raping women that's not good behavior,
Stealing babies that's not good behavior. You know, unwanted medical examinations,

(45:37):
that's not good behavior. And look at the poor little
cows in the fields and things like that. So you know,
you can't deny that some of it is definitely not benevolent,
not at all.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, it seems based on my own experiences and the
experiences of others who had who has have benevolent contact,
most of these experiences are not physical at all. Most
of the benelovolent experiences are through dream states, astral states,
meditative states. They will have visions, but all these visions

(46:11):
will be beautiful. Are near death experiences like yourself. This
is the most common experiences where people will have contact
with these benevolent angelic beings. And you believe that the
good side of this is those benevolent angelic beings. The
dark side are these interdimensional extraterrestrial beings. And this is

(46:33):
something that I've believed for a long time, that we're
not really dealing with space aliens, that they're not coming
from different planets across the Solar System, that they're right here,
just beyond the spectrum of our our perception and vision,
right right.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I agree with you one hundred percent. These are not
space aliens from Alpha Beta, Zeta, whatever planet you know. Yeah, no,
And that those people who believe that, I'm like, well,
where's that information coming from? Did one of these come
and tell you or you know? And can you vet
your source, because because even something in an astral plane,

(47:11):
you don't know if it's lying to you right or
want us to. So, but I can tell you what
I've seen personally and what other people have physically seen personally,
is that they're right under our feet. They're underground, and
they are in the skies too, because that's how they
get around, that's how they travel. And I think it,
you know, for me as a Christian, I do believe

(47:33):
that there are fallen angelic entities and then there are
non fallen because when Satan Phily took a third of
the angels with him, right, So I believe that that
third that's fallen, those are the malevolent, the bad ones
that are doing the bad things to people. But I've
also had encounters with the good, benevolent angelic entities. Those

(47:54):
you know, when they when I might encounter with them,
they didn't take anything from me, They didn't do anything
bad to me. They came and they helped me in
answer to a prayer that I prayed to God and
he sent them to do that. And it was just
good and it was just love and there was no
you know, it wasn't taken against my will, and nothing
bad happened to me. It was just a beautiful, loving experience.

(48:15):
So you know, I can't you know, I can easily
separate those two events and say, yes, this was good
and this one was bad. And I can easily say
that there are good angelic beings and they are fallen
or bad angelic beings. Now as far as being able
to tell the difference if there was a good one
and a bad one staying in front of us and
we asked them, which one of you is the good

(48:37):
and which one is the bad, because they're probably going
to look exactly the same, are they going to tell us?
They're probably both going to say they're the good one? Right,
because the fallen one is going to want to get
whatever it is that one is after. It's going to
have his own or her own purposes or what have
you as well. So, you know, if we don't have
the discernment, and especially when we're going into astral realms

(48:59):
and things like that, you know, if we're not sure
that we have the discernment that we know for sure
good from evil, because these fallen ones, they're really here
to deceive, and they're much much better at it than
we are. They're much stronger, they're much smarter, and they're
much more capable because there they are as superior being

(49:22):
in that respect. So you know, I caution anyone you know,
to be careful because yeah, there's beautiful. You absolutely have
an experience with a really lovely, good, benevolent being like
you say you've had, and I think that's amazing, But
you never know what you're going to get, right, and

(49:43):
trust me, they can come across as good until they're not,
and then then you'll know, you know, at some point
you'll know for sure. But so hopefully that answers your question.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yes, of our questions, Oh that's all good. Are you
still having experiences of any kind?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
They are not taking me anymore, and they know that
they can't because I understand the hierarchy. Now you know
there are There is a hierarchy. There is a pecking order,
and Jesus is at the top of that. He's the savior.
I can call on him and when I do, his
authority is greater than theirs, and they back off. I mean,
you call the name of Jesus, They're like, okay, yeah,

(50:20):
we know, you know, they don't like it. They'll they've
still come like outside the window, they'll still be out there.
I know when they're out there. I feel it. I
can still feel their presence from time to time. I
had an astral encounter about a month ago with the handler.
He doesn't I don't have a name for him because

(50:41):
we he we didn't use names. We had an imprint
on each other kind of animals do. So I knew
him and he knew me, but they didn't use names.
So when he just asked me, what was his name,
and it's like we didn't have a name because I
didn't need one. It's it's the harder I can't really
describe it, but it's the only thing that comes close

(51:03):
the way animals know each other in nature. Anyway, I
had an encounter with him. He took me into an
astral We were back in the underground and the older
part of it. There's an older part in the underground
where you can still see the tunnels carved out and
it's very darkly lit, and he wanted me to come

(51:23):
back and offered me basically the world. You know, I
could take away your pain. I can give you everything
you want, and can you know, make everything good? I
can make every you know, just I can fix all
the problems. Blah blah blah. You know, knew everything that
was wrong in my life, everything that was harsh or
bad or difficult. You know, I have a lot of
physical pain. And I said no. And the thing is,

(51:47):
you know, and he's really try, really trying to be convincing,
and he's this far from my face, I mean right
up in my face. And the weirdest thing about it
was he didn't look healthy. He didn't look like he
did before. He was more of an ashy gray green.

(52:09):
We've got flat color. I've never seen him look that
way before. He always was almost shiny and beautiful and
just glowing. It was gone. It looked like he was dying.
I don't know, but I could tell something was wrong.
I could tell he was sick or something. So I
don't know if it's just him, of its other ones too.

(52:32):
I heard recently someone else had the same as similar experience,
and similar thing happened. I have a lot of abductee
friends who had handlers as well like that, so it's
not an uncommon thing that we have this one that
was always with us. So something's going on in that realm.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
It would be wonderful if they are all dying and
losing the power from the dark.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Side, right, wouldn't that be great? Yes? But I say
make sure you yeah, just just watch out, because the
thing is, if there is something like that happening, then
they will get they'll get more aggressive, they'll get more frantic,
because well.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
If you look at everything that's happened since twenty twenty,
and if we're connecting these horrible events to these beings,
which I most likely would, oh that's been it seems
that they're in an antique panic mode right now that
they are already losing and they know.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
This, They know they're losing it, and they know that
their team is going to lose in the end, but
they somehow still think and I think sometimes it's if
you know you're losing, you're still going to do as
much damage as you can on the way down.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, And when.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
You're getting towards the end and your time is short,
you're really going to start doing damage. So you know,
I think it's it's going to become a more dangerous
world that we live in. Just if that's the case,
it's it's going to be very dangerous, and people need
to really get themselves right with where they want to
be in their faith and walk in their journey in
their life. Just be comfortable with who you are and

(54:03):
where you stand, because you know the end could be
just around the corner. We just don't know, but these
things something's going on. And I do feel the veil
getting thinner, really do. I have seen I have seen
what looks like windows opening up in front of me

(54:25):
and it's either someone trying to remote view on me
or it's a portal opening up right in front of me.
And I've seen it in the past, but it's never
been just like in the room, in just a random
room in the house or somewhere. And this is happening
more and more, and I'm like, it's got to be
the veil getting thinner. It really does, because there's just

(54:45):
I think there must be just so much activity right now.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, it is. We're in very interesting times, to say
the least. Now for the last few minutes. I want
to go back to what you were saying earlier, how
there's most likely more people that are having these experiences.
Then we realize maybe even more people that are having
their memories block that might be experiencing these very same
things but aren't able to recall them for whatever reason.

(55:13):
Do you think that that is the case.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I do, because it's very traumatic. I mean I had
my first kind of mini breakdown when I was about
six years old because it was just so I was
so traumatic, you know, and I kind of found a
way to separate the two so that I could have
my life here and then what was going on with
them here and not allow myself to even think about

(55:39):
it when I was just going through you know, going
to school, having dinner, going to that kind of thing.
I think that one of the things that they pride
themselves on is the ability to turn switch people off
to get people screen memories. But the more information that
it's out there and people be like, oh, yeah, I

(55:59):
have this nights where I'm walking out in the field
with all the giant bunny rabbits or where you know,
it's just like it doesn't make any sense because then
I can you know, people are starting to put the
pieces together. I think it's a lot more people than
we realize, because the number of people that I have
talked to have said, well, just never want to talk
about it, But I had this happen. I had this happen.

(56:21):
They're everyday people. They're just your neighbor, your friend, your cousin,
your you know, your dentist, just it's everybody. Any as
soon as someone hears that I've written this book, they
have a story to tell me. I haven't yet met
someone who didn't, so that has to say something about

(56:41):
how many people have had experiences.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
What advice would you give folks who may be starting
to recall unusual memories, may be aware that something unusual
is happening, but they don't understand it or even have
memories of being taking like yourself, what advice would you
give them?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Right I would say you're not alone and that if
you can, and that you can stop these abductions can
be stopped. If it's unwanted, you can stop it. And
you're not alone. There's a lot of people out there
in the same boat. In my book, I talk about
how to stop it. That you can call on Jesus

(57:25):
you that there is authority, that our creator is at
the top of that authority. There are a lot of
amazing people out there and a lot of resources. You
can just go search on the web. You can get
therapy for PTSD that worked for me. But I'm not
a doctor, so I can't give anyone that kind of advice.
As far as you know how to deal with the
emotional problems, people can reach out to me on my website.

(57:48):
I do get a lot of messages. I do get
back to everybody. It does take some time, so please
be patient because I do get a lot of messages,
but I will get back to you. If you want
to just share a star, sometimes there's just comfort and
sharing your story. You can reach out to people like
La Marzoli. They can reach out to you know, like
like your website. There's so many good resources out there.

(58:09):
My friend Vicki Joy Anderson, she has a book. Yeah,
she's like, she's my sister. She her book They only
come out at night, as an amazing resource. I highly
recommend that book. You can find hers at vickijoyauthor dot com.
You can find mine Karen Wilkinson author dot com, and
our books are for sale, both of them exclusively right

(58:32):
now at Lamarzouli dot net. So either one her book
is amazing if someone needs a resource, you know, I
highly recommend, like she and I could just do these
together because I can talk about what's happening and she
talks about how to stop it, and she's been an
amazing resource and amazing help for me, so I highly

(58:54):
recommend that too.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah, you're all great resources. Thank you so much for
coming out with this information. And we really barely scratch
the surface on some of this stuff, so I'd love
to have you back on in the future. We'll dive
even deeper. Now, I'll have your links in the description
one more time. Where can folks go to find you?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Sir? You can find me on Facebook at Karen Wilkinson
just my name k A r I N w I
l k I N s O N all eyes in there,
and on Instagram at Karen Wilkinson Author. You can find
my website Karen Wilkinson author dot com and the book
is exclusively right now at l A Marzouli. That's l

(59:35):
A m A r z U l l I dot net.
You can find the store there, or you can just
type forward slash store and it'll take you directly to
the store. That's the easiest way to find me. And
you can send me a message on my website and
I will absolutely get back to you as soon as possible.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Excellent, Karen, Thank you so much. We will definitely do
this again and until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
We'll talk again tomorrow see y all. Then, today I
want to welcome Athan Chimenti. He is an astrologer, educator,
and leading expert in the field of true sideial astrology.

(01:00:17):
He is dedicated to spreading the word about true sideial
and how powerful it is at bringing clarity and direction
to people's lives. Athen welcome. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Hey, pretty good. It's great to be on, Chris. Thanks
for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yes, great to have you on. I love astrology. It's
such an interesting topic and there's so much more I'd
love to learn about it, and today we're going to
get into that and the differences between sidereal, Classic Vedic
and Western astrology and how he can each utilize it
as tools for personal development and to have an understanding

(01:00:53):
of how the cosmic energies affect us as individuals as
well as the planet as a whole. So we've got
a lot to get to. But this is your first
time on. Let the audience know a little bit more
about yourself and how you got involved with astrology.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, absolutely so well. I started off pretty left brain,
very practical, person didn't really believe too much about the
hocus pocus of astrology, but started to get into meditation
and started to, you know, start to be aware that
maybe there's more than what the five senses are perceiving
here about this world and whatnot. So, yeah, meditation really

(01:01:30):
opened me up. I got really into personal developments, and
astrology really stuck with me because it's very grounding. Like
you know, with a lot of the beta physical stuff
can get a bit woo woo, but astrology is basically
just looking at the sky and seeing you know, what
time it is, and by knowing where we're at in
this cycle of life at a certain time, we can

(01:01:50):
see what the patterns are similar to the seasons and
some of the more kind of you know, Newtonian ways
of thinking about things in terms of cause and effect.
I don't think like the stars are having some effect
on us. I think it's just we're just using them
for a sort of calendar to tell what time it
is in this cycle of things. But yeah, very grounding
because you can go out and see exactly who everything
is and you know, reference it, and you know, you

(01:02:13):
can use intuition, but you have to stay you know,
grounded and what's there. And I think that's why I've
really gotten into Truce idear Ill, which we'll talk about today,
which is using the visible sky, you know, which is
very different from mainstream astrology.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Excellent. Was it a personal astrological reading or the telling
of possibilities with future events that really got you into
it or maybe a combination of both.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yeah, that's a great question. For me, it was personal
development mostly. I was using for myself, you know, trying
to understand myself more and who I am and what
I want, and it makes sense of my life experiences,
you know, And so that's that's stuck with me. That's
still how I recharge. That's how I think is the
best way to read astrology. You know, I don't read
in a way that's meant to predict the future or

(01:03:03):
you know, make predetermined, you know, outcomes of things. I
do believe life is somewhat predetermined, like the cycles, but
within that I believe free will is at play. It's
kind of like being delta handed cards and you know
how you you play those cards is important. So that's
how I like to approach the astrology is more from Okay,
here's here's what you, here's what your life path is,

(01:03:24):
here's just what you're working with, and here's perhaps the
most beneficial way of working with that energy. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Excellent, Let's go over the differences based on your understanding
of the different types of astrology. You mentioned Siderial, I've
heard of Western Vedic. What's the difference is here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yeah, So for the listeners, which is probably most of
them who are in the West, astrology doesn't actually use
the visible sky. So if you're you know, if you
know your sign, your son's sign, and it's like areas
or something, you know, the sun wasn't actually more than
likely wasn't actually in that constellation when you're born in

(01:04:09):
the West, they use what's called the seasonal system, and
this is a system that basically just uses the seasons,
I mean, just to be frank. So that's why, like
right at the spring equinox, it starts the sign of
Ares and for those you know, thirty days after that
it's areas and it stays fixed this way throughout the

(01:04:30):
Gregorian calendar. However, we the sky doesn't align with areas
like that, So in other words, during the spring equinox,
it's actually the sign of Pisces. So in other words,
if you go outside during the spring equinox, you look
at where the sun is, or use a telescope in
this case, you'll see that it is in Pisces. So

(01:04:53):
about two thousand years ago these did link up. And
this was about the time that Western astrology started to
get birthed in the way that we know it, and
so at the time it made sense to just link
up the stars with the seasons because they were already linked.
And so for simplicity's sake, when you're creating a chart,
especially back then when it's very complicated to do so,

(01:05:14):
it was much easier to just say, hey, you know,
let's just stick to the seasons and when it's you know, spring,
then near this, and you know, it's very straightforward like that.
But fast forward two thousand years and we're now using
a system that's a whole sign sometimes two signs different
than what's visible in the sky, in other words, where
the sun actually is or where some of the other

(01:05:36):
planets actually are. So so that's Western now, said Dario,
is the form of astrology that references the sky, and
this is very popular in India, and so they do
use the visible sky However, even in India, it doesn't
reference the actual like it doesn't use the actual sky,

(01:05:58):
it sort of references it. What I mean by that
is that they have an even thirty degrees system, and
so they give thirty degrees to all the signs. But
in truth, some signs are much larger and others are
smaller than each other. So although that what we might
call more mainstream site diial is closer to the visible
sky and that it uses it, but it's still kind

(01:06:21):
of approximating it, and it's still sort of simplifying it
into those thirty degrees. So I use what's called true saideurial,
which is basically like using a planetarium or going outside
and literally seeing where everything is. And yeah, and so
in this case, in my opinion, more fundamental, more accurate,

(01:06:43):
more accurate, Yeah, yeah, more accurate, and more of a
you know, I think, describing the essence and spiritual part
of the person. Whereas the Western or what by the way,
you know, technically it's called tropical astrology, seasonal astrology tropical
in the West, is I think still accate. I think
it just shows more of a physical part of the self,

(01:07:03):
because now you're dealing with the seasons, and so if
you think about the kind of wheels of life, wheels
of karma, more physical, more static energies, it does tend
to show those, especially for the sun sign, because I mean,
let's face it, if you're born during a certain season,
and if you believe in energy or patterns or connections
like that, then obviously you're going to exhibit some sort

(01:07:23):
of traits being born during that time of the year.
So seasonal astrologies definitely, you know, has its merits. But
I think for like a holistic view of the soul,
really I do prefer true, say Dariel.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Would you say it's possible to get a better perspective
of events of our past, even going back all the
way to our ancient past, looking at astrology and the
different cycles that have occurred in our reality. Could astrology
give us a better idea of why these have occurred,

(01:08:01):
the rises and falls of humanity and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah, I mean, because you know, we're dealing with the patterns, right,
So we have like ages for example, you know, and
like so like right now, we've been in the age
of Pisces ever since basically the birth of Christ as
we know it. In the West, which is much more
about finding more peace in life now and in it's
extreme it can be feeling lost, confused and certainty. This

(01:08:28):
is the challenges we're dealing with collectively at the moment,
have been since then. But in a grounded perspective, you know,
it's about having more peace in life, more spiritual development,
you know, in terms of more acceptance and more you know, receptivity.
And what we could say is all the christ of
teachings or even like the Buddhict teachings, because Buddha also emerged,
you know, a little bit before that, but you know

(01:08:49):
around the same time when we entered this age of Pisces.
Before that it was the age of ares where there
was you know, aris is about fighting and independence and action,
and so we saw with like Roman empire and nation
empire expansion and all that, even before that with the
Greeks all during the Age of Areas and so on.
So there's there definitely these cycles, and we can tell

(01:09:10):
a lot about what humanity, like I said before, it's learning,
because I think what the astrology is best for is
really however're growing and developing, and just like an individual,
we can look at the individual charts see how they're
growing and developing. We can do the same thing collectively,
and from that, of course extrapolate things like what is
maybe some likely things going on? Like for example, just

(01:09:33):
just came to mind, but you know, we had right
now recently Saturn and Aquarius and Aquarius is all about
technology and stuff. And it's literally as soon as Saturn
came into Aquarius this year, earlier this year in January February,
you know, all this stuff with the AI and all
this technology stuff started coming out. So we you know,
even with not only the large cycles, but even the

(01:09:53):
smaller cycles, we can we can gauge and kind of
make a prediction and based on what are the higher
probabilities of certain things happening at certain times and then
maybe how long they might happen, you know, what is
maybe the outcome of some of these things. But again,
how to work with it, I think is you know,

(01:10:13):
the best way of utilizing it, not in a predetermined sense,
but like, okay, here's the cards we've been given as humanity,
and here's how we can hopefully work with this energy
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
You know, do you think that those that utilize Western
classical astrology are innocence being led in the wrong direction,
and if so, could it be that that is somewhat
intentional that it was shifted in that direction.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I lean on that camp, you know. So I
don't have any direct proof of this, obviously, but I
have heard some very interesting things. But it's here, say,
you know, for example, that certain connections with people that
would say that the elites are still using the true
siddarial and stuff. But but no, I mean, you know,

(01:11:02):
to me, it makes total sense that there's, of course humans,
we're all in a sense we don't have to be,
but we are in a sense competing, and there's a
you know, an elite group of people out there who
certainly have a benefit in keeping well, let's just say,
in controlling information period or controlling perspective. Maybe is a

(01:11:23):
little bit more of a broader way of viewing that
and that can really benefit them a lot. So yeah,
why are we still using this system that doesn't reflect
a visual sky? Is very intriguing to say the least.
And then the other extreme concerning because you know, maybe
this is you know, separating us from you know, who

(01:11:44):
we really are, and an opportunity to learn more about
who we really are, and maybe starting to buy into
some of these facades or you know, surface level parts
of ourselves that maybe you know, aren't really the most
helpful for us in terms of growth. So yeah, but
you know, why are we still using this system from
two thousand years ago? It hasn't been updated to the

(01:12:05):
actual sky. It makes a lot of sense when you
look at it what happened just after that. So you know,
we're talking like two hundred a d. Is when tropical
western was birth, and again at the time it was linked.
But then we went into the you know, Middle Ages,
and you know, and then you're talking about elites there
that's just now in history we don't question It's like

(01:12:26):
obviously the Church and you know, the kingdoms and all
this were definitely controlling information and and astrology just kind
of stopped, you know, it was almost like it was
just exclusively used for the elite. And then and then
the Renaissance happened and then astrology started getting used again.

(01:12:48):
But the problem is is what they were fed in
the Renaissance was the same Ptolemy, which is the person
who came up with this you know tropical you know
systems like tropical systems, because that's really all they had,
and so in a sense, it's kind of innocent, Like
I get it, there's this huge gap in history and
and information and then you know we're kind of picking

(01:13:09):
up where we left off. But it just hasn't changed.
And yeah, you know, even since the you know, Renaissance,
we've still been using tropical when we could be using
you know, the visible sky. Now in India they've maintained that.
Like I said, so this whole time, during the Western
Middle Ages and all this, they maintain sideel and they
take astrology much more seriously. But in the West, yeah,

(01:13:31):
it's not very serious. You know, it's very western pop
pop astrology magazines.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
It's the same as Vedic astrology.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Well, like I said, Vedic uses Yeah, so Vetic is
when I say India, it's it's all Vedic over there.
I mean, very very few would use tropical over there,
but you know it's it's it's Vedic and they use
the form of sideel, which is the even thirty degrees
that I talked about earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah, you had some very interesting here in your talking
points that there is a missing link in the zodiac,
possibly a thirteenth sign. Could you tell us a little
bit about that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Yeah, so we all know the number thirteen. It's uh taboo,
it's it's beard, it's it's we remove it from elevators
and stuff. Again, you know, there's this this idea that
you know that perhaps this information was removed intentionally, but
you know, giving it the benefit of the doubts. Basically,

(01:14:33):
when we started to use astrology in the way that
we know it today, we can trace this back to
about two thousand BC, so about four thousand years ago.
For simplicity's sake, this is when we started to see
like the Babylonians using you know, we have you know,
the tablets of this, you know, using an even thirty

(01:14:56):
degree system. Okay. So what they were doing, though, and
this is extremely important and it doesn't get talked about enough,
is that these tablets were seeing they weren't meant for astrology.
They were meant for calendars. So what we saw birthed
four thousand years ago was the advent of calendars and clocks.
So basically starting to use a sort of system for

(01:15:22):
being able to tell time, but in a way that
it can be replicated and synergistic. So that's why you know, again,
even though the constellations are different sizes, you know, they've
been simplified to be thirty degrees. And this is likely
when they started to do that in astrology, right when
they started making these calendars and such. But there's a

(01:15:45):
thirteenth sign, so thirteen is not very divisible. It's tough
to make a calendar or a clock around the number thirteen.
So I get it why we removed it at the time.
And I have to also say that the A Fucus
constellation and we'll talk more about what it represents, but

(01:16:05):
this thirteenth sign is sharing the same part of the
sky as Scorpio, and so it's what you would call
the eighth part of the sky. So if you count
the constellations, both Scorpio and O Fucus share the same
part of the sky. So it makes sense to remove
it if you're just going to say, okay, oh that's

(01:16:26):
just going to be Scorpio then, right, and for a calendar,
for a calendar and for a clock, right, because you
need things to be easily divisible and stuff. But why
did we not, like, why did we use this simplified
system for astrology, Because astrology's concern is more astronomical, right,
I mean astrology by definition is we are using the

(01:16:47):
sky to determine, you know, whatever life events or what
have you. And so again there you know, maybe it's
been you know, intentionally support or continued to be used,
you know in modern day astrology in a way that
hasn't been considering it maybe you know, for you know,

(01:17:10):
the elite reasons or whatever. But but you know, giving
it the benefit of the doubt, it made sense to
remove for calendars, but I don't see any reason to
remove it for astrology itself. And it's not surprising why
this one was removed. So now getting a little into
what a fucus is. So it's where the center of

(01:17:32):
the galaxy is. So for those that have who are aware,
like the Milky Way band, you know, it's very bright,
very and it's it's the sun. It's the sun of
the galaxy. It's what the whole galaxy revolves around. Is
the center of the galaxy, extremely energetic, lots of concentration
of energy, super powerful. When you look at the sky,

(01:17:54):
it's just visually you can tell it's the most powerful
part of the sky. It's the galactic sun. And so
this is this is where a fucus is. And so
if we start to think about if we were to
want to keep things from society, I couldn't think of
a better sign to remove. I couldn't think of a

(01:18:16):
better way. If I was going to try to suppress information,
or try to control information, or try to prevent people
from growing and developing as souls, a Ficus would be
the perfect constellation to remove because it is literally in
that part of the sky where the transformation happens, where
the growth happens. And if we start to tie this
into mythology and lore in ancient history, it starts to

(01:18:38):
look very interesting because the number thirteen is extremely significant.
For example, I mentioned Christ, So Christ was the thirteenth,
you know, the twelfth, the twelfth Disciples and Christ, right,
and this is very symbolic for that. There's this if
you want to sort of transform from the twelve, the static,
the more cube, the more physical dimensions, you need the

(01:19:02):
number thirteen in order to transform from that, in order
to evolve to higher states of being, in higher states
of consciousness. Right, And this is what happens, This is
what we observe happens when planets pass over the galactic
center is the death and rebirth, the transformation that going
from a lower octave to the higher octave of life.
And yeah, so that's a fucus. That's the one that

(01:19:28):
was removed or ignored, and it's extremely important.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Could you possibly give us some examples of how a
fucus is used to predict and determine what's going on
in our lives and on the planet as a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Yeah, so it's just like another constellation. So first to
just make sure that it's known that it is very unique,
but at the same time, it is also just you know,
one of the many parts of this sky. So anytime
you have a planet that's in front of a part
of the sky, it symbolizes something. So for example, like
ares I mentioned earlier, when we have planets in areas

(01:20:08):
like right now we have year in uscenarios, it tends
to place more of a theme around the in this
case the collective, exhibiting more qualities around independence. This has
been the past few years, by the way, we've seen
a lot more independence movements. We've seen much more of
the people fighting, wanting change in their governments and all
this more fiery areas type of energy. So we're seeing
areas being embodied collectively. When a planet passes through it. Now,

(01:20:32):
we don't currently have any major outer planets like that
passing through a fucus, but of course every year the
Sun and the fast moving planets will pass through it, right,
And so when this happened, by the way, this is
you know, is basically it's the time as we get
closer to the solstice. By the way, so the solstice
just happens to align with a fucus. It's getting closer

(01:20:56):
to that every day because of a thing called procession
and what not. But we're literally moving into that fucus
energy now. So on December seventh, the Sun will start
to shift into a fucus. So this time of the year,
you know, it's really good for once we get to
it will be really good for like basically healing. Okay,
So when we start to think about what the christ

(01:21:18):
did teachings were, or the buddhiict teachings, or these ideas
of personal transformation, this is what the theme becomes. Now
when it's the faster movers, it's more of a cyclical
thing that happens every year, which is why you know,
arguably winter is such a good time, like right now,
such a good time for you know, spiritual development and

(01:21:40):
growth and maybe more yin energy, spending more time inward
and reflecting and things like this. But yeah, it's about
using the energies for what they're meant for at certain times.
This is what I was alluding to earlier about that
it's just good to be in alignment with the cycles
of life, to know where we're at in these cycles
and how to line with them at certain times. And

(01:22:01):
a fucus is the serpent bearer, it's the healer or
the redeemer, the one. It's the energy of life that
is symbolic of accepting all dimensions of life, particularly the shadow,
so the hidden, the parts of ourself we've rejected, the
parts we've exiled, not just of ourselves, but again projected

(01:22:24):
out into life as well. So the serpent bearer wields
the lower, the deeper, the instinctual, the exile, the non
ideal parts of the self. This is why the serpent's
always been this is the serpentine sign. So for those
that are aware of like how much the serpent's been

(01:22:45):
used in you know, in ancient times to represent healing,
this is really the symbol of what a fucus is.
So working with the deeper dimensions, working with the instinctual,
primal parts of life to redeem, to accept, and thus
to transfer M into higher states of consciousness is how
it symbolized this constellation, and anytime the planets are activating

(01:23:07):
that you can rest assured that that's the that's the
major theme for the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I've heard some describe the makeup of the Solar system
as some sort of energetic circuit board that we can
we can look to, and the more we understand how
the energies of the stars work, we can more understand
how it has effects on our reality and on ourselves.

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Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah. Yeah, that's how I see it as well, very similarly. Yeah,
I see it as that, you know, we're basically living
in a giant cog, you could say, and everything's interconnected
and we're already seeing this, isn't you know, wild because
we're already seeing this with quantum physics, So we're realizing
with quantum physics is everything is connected, and this whole
idea of like time and space and everything seeming to

(01:24:20):
be so far apart, there's a way that everything is
connected that transcends time and space, like for example, with
quantum entanglement, you wiggle one particle and then a particle
that's literally either on the other side of the world.
Usually is when we do these experiments, wiggles at literally
the exact same time, which means it's faster than the
speed of light if we were going to try to
use Newtonian physics. So obviously there's there's elements of the

(01:24:45):
universe that transcend this idea of cause and effect of
Newtonian physics, and we're discovering through quantum physics. And so
it's not crazy to me to think that, hey, maybe
we're living in a system or or an organism and
everything's connected, and if you can see what's happening on

(01:25:05):
one side of the organism or one side of the system,
then you can see what's happening on another because it's
all connected. And all we're doing with things like astrology
is just noticing patterns. That's all we've done with astrology.
We just said Hey, when this planet goes in front
of here, certain things are happening. We can speculate as
to why. You know, this is all theoretical what we're
talking about now, but you know, just so it's clear,

(01:25:28):
like all this was observable. All the symbolism of the constellations,
all the meanings, all the stuff that our agents have
been doing for tens of thousands of years, all come
from observable phenomenon that happened. And yeah, we're going to
try to describe it in you know, scientific terms or
modern day terms. Yeah, it's this idea that I think
the whole universe is connected time and space is in

(01:25:50):
a sense of kind of illusion and when one thing's
affected and other things affected, regardless of the amount of
space or time separates the two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Now, not to get too far off the astrological topic,
I just love to get your insights into what we've
been told as the true nature of space by our government, media, academia, NASA.
To me, I think that there's so much more that
they're not telling us, That what we understand as space

(01:26:24):
and beyond our atmosphere is something completely different than they've
tried to portray to us. And I think it's something that,
like you said, we have a closer connection to the
deepest parts of the Solar System than we could ever imagine, right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
I totally agree with that. Yeah, I think, Yeah, I
think there's like I said, I mean, from my perspective,
there's so much deception out there and so much of
a distortion of reality and so much of a battle
of perception. Really, I mean, you can think of that.
We're kind of in a war globally of perception, you know,
of belief of viewing things from a starting light and whatnot.

(01:27:07):
And yeah, and it benefits, obviously some to have more
power than others. So yeah, I don't know, you know,
I I you know, I try to stay humble in
terms of what I know about, like, you know, life
from like the universe and outside of that, I've never
been to space or anything. I don't know, But I
don't I don't trust. I don't trust the you know,

(01:27:30):
the mainstream narratives. And in fact, if I'm told something,
I'm almost certainly gonna question it because I know that
there's no real purpose for them to expose the truth
unless it in very rare circumstances it benefits them but
that's very rare. So I always have a speculative of mine.
I question, you know anything that I can't, you know, verify,

(01:27:51):
try to verify as much as I can. But with
things like that, I have to be humble and say,
you know, I really don't know. I don't know what's
outside the atmosphere. I don't know, but I can observe
and from Earth I can observe these movements and these
stars and whatnot. And again, the astrology, for example, doesn't
lie because I mean, you know you're seeing it, you know,
seeing the movement, You're seeing it happen. What those planets

(01:28:14):
actually are, what those stars are, how far away they are,
all those nuances. I have no idea. But for me,
I don't really need to know that to practice this
being in alignments with the cycles and living in alignment
with nature, because I think all that is you can't
take that away. That's all available to all of us,
you know, in the whole world, regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Well to your best ability. Let's get into how astrology
can be used as a tool for personal development by
the individual.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Yeah, so basically, the astrology chart is just the snapshot
of the sky when you were born, Okay, So this
is kind of the idea that, like, you know, if
you have something growing as petrie dish, you know, and
it's growing out of that, you know, it's exhibit certain
certain qualities and stuff. So all we're saying is, okay,
you're born. Here's the snapshot of the sky when you're born. Now,

(01:29:08):
if you believe that there is cycles and that the
Earth was in a certain configuration of this cog or
this system at that time, then it would make sense
that anything born out of that time when that configuration
was happening, is going to exhibit those qualities of that time.
So that's how I view it. But essentially the natal

(01:29:30):
chart is just the sky when you're born, true ideial
is the literal sky when you're born. The other systems
would would not be the visible sky. And so from
seeing this sort of blueprint or this kind of like
you know, configuration, we can determine what the life energy
is going to be about, not how you're gonna work
with it. That's free will, not specifically what's gonna happen,

(01:29:51):
because there's free will that affects that. But here's the
card you've been dealt. I like to think of it
as the blueprint. Here's your blueprint, here's your major life lessons,
here's what could be potentially classified as your life path
if we get into like pop astrology and stuff. You know,
it's not meant to determine your personality, but here's the
elements that that you've been working with in your personality,

(01:30:12):
and what you make of that is up to you.
But there are fundamental elements of the personality that you're
working with, and so knowing what those are and again
how to work with them is tremendously helpful. So that's
what I spend you know, the bulk of my time on.
I've just recently released Reports, which is a print out
of the natal chart, going through everything one line at

(01:30:33):
a time. But yeah, it's essentially the blueprint showing what
is the potentiality and how can you work with it
in a way that you know leads to the most
fulfillment and growth for you as a person.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
What do you look at that's different when you're trying
to get a bigger picture of future events and energies
that are coming through, as opposed to the individual's astrological
chart exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yeah, So the astrological chart being what we call natal
chart or natal astrology. Then what you would be referencing
more would be predictive astrology, which is, okay, here's the
blueprints the natal chart, and then things have been moving
since then. Right so now in the sky it's a
different configuration than when you were born. But how does
this current configuration in the sky that we have now,

(01:31:22):
like the year in a scenarios I talked about, how
does that affect your individual chart? Is it in a
more challenging position with certain energies? Is it pushing you
in certain directions? Is it activating certain parts of your
natal chart right now? So that's where we can look
at like a yearly reading for example, and say, okay,
here's the temporary experiences that are going on, you know, collectively,

(01:31:46):
but more importantly, how is your chart configured to that?
And now this year is a temporary experience? How can
you grow learn same thing as the natal chart, but
as that temporary experience, and then more in the collective
you can read it. So that's called money Dane astrology,
where you can say, okay, maybe we think that this
presidential candidate's gonna win or this you know, you know,

(01:32:07):
you can start to you know, see certain you know,
trying to make these predictions on world events, which would
be mundane astrology. But yeah, like you're saying, so that
wouldn't reference the actual chart itself. That would just be
like the Uranus and areas predicting or the Saturn and
Aquarius predicting that maybe there'll be some technology advancements these
couple of years quite heavily, because Saturn's in Aquarius, and

(01:32:30):
last time we had Saturn in Aquarius was in the
early to mid nineties, and that's when we had the internet,
the Internet revolution, and so we can probably expect similar themes.
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, you know that expression,
and so it's the same thing with astrology. We've seen
this pattern, certain things happened at certain times, and based
on this pattern recognition, we can make some of these

(01:32:51):
predictions about what's what's likely collectively.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Right, Well, let's get into some of the events that
could possibly be upcoming based on astrological predictions. But first, ever,
since twenty twenty, we've had major shifts in global consciousness,
major events unfolding, huge changes globally, and they seem to
be intensifying in some ways, and a continuation of these

(01:33:20):
strange events seem to continue to unfold since twenty twenty.
What have you seen in the stars that could point
to some of these realities that are unfolding.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Yeah, So twenty twenty was a really big time astrologically.
It was the beginning of the Jupiter Saturn cycle, so
it's when Jupiter and Saturn can join. So Jupiter and
Saturn are very significance because these are considered in like
Gretic mythology, these were the gods of the gods that
we knew of. So it's Zeus and Chronos, okay, And

(01:33:52):
so that depiction in astrology is that they tend to
show what we're manifesting in the year collectively. Jupiter, the
more Zeus perspective is like what's possible opportunities Saturn and
the Chronos perspective is more denser, it's more of okay,
what can you work on and really see the reality

(01:34:12):
with and ground. But when they combine, it shows the
beginning of very important Basically, what is a twenty year cycle,
almost twenty year cycle between what we're manifesting collectively, So
we had that in twenty twenty, and just to put
it into perspective, the last time we had that was
in two thousand and one, and so you can start

(01:34:34):
to see and this is then you can go really
deep into the rabbit hole with this stuff, right and
start to maybe think about nine to eleven and how
similar all that new agenda and stuff was that came
out of that as the same as COVID and all. Okay,
can certainly go down that rabbit hole, but generally, you know,
these are new beginnings to what we're manifesting collectively. So
what we saw in twenty twenty is, you know, a

(01:34:55):
new paradigm and new shift just in that kind of
close twenty year time period. We're not talking about anything
too massive here. We do have some important things coming
up though that are you know, quite big as well.
But but yeah, that's what it was is how do
we want to manifest our world? And again, a new paradigm,
so new perspectives to be implemented, and again, how are

(01:35:16):
we going to choose to implement those perspectives? I think
is what it's really about. Are we going to have
these perspectives given to us? And again, maybe there are
a lead out there who are using astrology, because they
do tend to roll things out let's say during times
where you know it would be most ideal to do
so astrologically, like new paradigms, but you know, how what's

(01:35:40):
our perspective on life and how can we incorporate it
for the for the coming years. So it's really a
large cycle there. Now a lot of the shifts we
have coming up are are very interesting too, because we
do have basically Pluto, who is the slowest planet that
we use in astrology, so he's going into Capricorn. And

(01:36:03):
the last time Pluto went into Capricorn, because again we
have to do pattern recognition, the last time Pluto went
into Capricorn was the birth of the United States, so
around the late seventeen hundreds, and not just the United States,
but immediately after that we started to see the revolutions
in Europe and we basically so what Pluto represents is

(01:36:24):
transformation and endings and beginnings, and he's got to be somewhere,
so it's not like, you know, he's always somewhere, But
the fact that he's entering into Capricorn is very significant
because Capricorn is the sign that deals with structures, so
in a societal sense, it rules governments, it rules economic systems,

(01:36:45):
political systems. Basically, in a collective sense, it would be
the bedrocks of society in terms of the status quo
and the systems and structures in which we operate within.
So late seventeen hundreds, what happens, I mean, there's so
much there. The most at least apparent to me from
a collective standpoint is we basically restructured our governments. We

(01:37:11):
went from monarchs, basically monarchies into more republic and democratic
forms of governance. And this seems to oscillate, which is
very interesting because if you didn't extrapolate back to the
last time Pluto is Capricorn, you could definitely see a
move towards monarchy. So it's very interesting that there are

(01:37:34):
also this oscillating pattern. But my point here is, you know,
the last time this happened, it was a major transformation
in society and a major rebirth in terms of governments
and structures and even economic systems that came out of that.
So I'm expecting so this is basically starting next year.
It's not all at once, it's not all in one year.

(01:37:56):
Pluto's going to be in Capricorn for a good solid
like you know, fifteen years. So it's a process just
like the late seventeen hundreds into the early eighteen hundreds
was the process for the world to transform. But I'm
expecting not in the same way as in it being
so primal back then. You know, more deaths and things
like that, just inherent for a more primal life back

(01:38:18):
then compared to now. So I'm not saying it's going
to be you know, it's bloody or anything like that,
but definitely it's time for transformations to our systems and structures.
And how we go about that, again, it's up to
us as society. I know there's an agenda out there
who would certainly like to see that structure go a
certain way, but we can certainly expect that it's the time,

(01:38:42):
you know, to do that. And so yeah, more than
likely what we'll see is probably any existing monarchies that
are still around might start to transform. For example, like
in the UK, they're still running you know, most of
the world, like a lot of the world, they're still
running monarch versions, and so you know, I'm expecting a
lot of those to probably go more republic or democratic

(01:39:05):
or just maybe just removing the monarch entirely. And then
those like that are maybe already in the republic sense.
You know, I don't know what the next evolution is.
I don't know if it's going to swing back to
a more monarch kind of situation or controlled situation, but
definitely a restructuring of society, you know, in that sense.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
With that one, something very interesting that I'd love to
get your insights on is the technocratic direction that humanity
was seemingly headed without any interruptions, just a straight path,
possibly off a cliff who knows, to this technocratic age.
But after twenty twenty, it seems we had this sort

(01:39:44):
of awakening that started occurring in a global consciousness where
people were questioning some of the narratives and some of
the agendas coming out and if this total technocratic direction
is the right way to go. We have a group
of people who who are reforming back to different spiritual practices,

(01:40:04):
getting back to nature, connecting with their true spiritual ideologies
and themselves, and it goes against this technocratic direction that
society is attempted to be headed in. But what do
you see as far as what the Age of Aquarius
will bring for this whole paradigm.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
So that's an interesting point because like I said, a
lot of this using the true sidarial changes things. So
we've all heard this entering the age of Aquarius, but
the truth is is that we're not actually going to
enter the Age of Aquarius for another seven hundred years.
WHOA roughly yeah, okay, so yeah, so that's so we're

(01:40:48):
still in the age of Pisces. Now. Again, Pisces is
more about unity and wholeness against the stuff we were
talking about earlier there. So I think that's still the
major themes to the growth what you just are observing, though,
would the last major shift with that would be when
the spring equinox started to enter into the eleventh house.

(01:41:08):
Now the eleventh house is the Aquarius house, but this
happened back during the late eighteen hundreds, basically when we
started the Industrial Revolution. So the Industrial Revolution energy, we
would say it's a two thousand, five hundred year process, okay,
if we're really looking at this large cycle stuff. Okay,
So more basically my point in saying it that way

(01:41:30):
is that it's just more of an advancement of what's
already started for humanity since the Industrial Revolution. Okay, So
we're still obviously going to expect you know, lots of
advancements and stuff like that. But yeah, in terms of
like incorporating more of the Aquarius qualities, which would be
more of the not the what's like the house is,
so the what's our technology itself, the things of life

(01:41:52):
we've already seen that we're going to continue to see
that Aquarius will will lead to more unity sort of
collection again, you know, kind of community and technology that
is in a way that kind of unites and still
on ours individualism and things like that. Right now, we're
still in the battle of the Pisces, you know, the

(01:42:15):
same with unity, but you know, not getting lost and
not getting caught up into dreams, ideals and fantasies and
all this kind of thing, which would be the extreme.
It's what we're trying to not do personal growth wise
right now with Pisces, and to trust more of our
intuition and maybe God and whatever your soul is connected
to and in this kind of life. But to answer

(01:42:37):
to your question though, yeah, so, I mean what we've
been seeing will continue right now with a Saturn and Aquarius.
I think again next year, in the following year, we'll
see a lot of advancements technologically. I think what you've
said about this new parad this new awakening I think
is part of the paradigm with Saturn Jupiter again about
a twenty year process that's certainly going to continue to develop.

(01:43:00):
We are seeing changes also on the horizon against starting
next year with money and value, what we find valuable
in life, and then also probably the monetary system. This
is gonna really start to move things into the technology.
So to answer your point about the technological advancements, that

(01:43:21):
planet of technology, Uranus or the technocratic kind of energies
is going into Taurus, and Taurus rolls money and stuff.
So we're likely to see over in this case about
eight years nine years, a lot of technological advancements there.
So we've always already been seeing as a prelude with
things like crypto and stuff. But we're talking more in

(01:43:42):
terms of maybe probably you know, again this incorporated more
in the status quo, so CBDC, so central bank digital currencies,
maybe revolutions with finance in terms of you know, how
everything's structured, and again there's probably agendas to try to
skew it in one direction or another. Hopefully it's for
towards more freedom and you know, personal power and stuff.

(01:44:05):
But yeah, when it comes to money, value resources, I
think that's where there's going to be a lot of
that advancement, you know, in these upcoming years there what.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Time periods should we I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
And I was just gonnadd one more thing Toaurus can
also symbolize like nature and so on this whole idea
of like community. I think it's going to be a
really good time to start to link up with community
and start to become more self reliant, I think, And
we're gonna see a lot of advancements there. So it's
a great time for like, you know, cultivating the earth,
so agriculture, food, natural resources, minerals, you know those and

(01:44:47):
even like those assets. So starting to get more there's
definitely a shift into more of the natural values and
natural resources. And if we bring in Aquarius with it,
which Acquius tends to be more community based, you know,
it's very likely that we might see more self reliance
and you know, more community oriented type of stuff going

(01:45:07):
on with our food and you know, and our self
reliance on you know, natural resources and things of this nature.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
You know, is there any time period in the near
future that we should be paying extra close attention to
when it comes to dangerous events that could be possibly unfolding,
things that could affect us globally in a very negative way.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yeah, it's these ships because again, whether anyone's doing it
intentionally or not, it is definitely a pattern that the
powers that be things things, things get rolled out during
these ideal times. And so that is that's starting next year.
And you know, I've been talking about this for a

(01:45:54):
few years now, and I don't want to blow next
year out of proportion, but you know, starting in the springtime,
we're starting to see a lot of what we just
talked about there with the Pluto and Capricorn, the restructuring
there and then the financial and resource stuff. But again
it's a process. So I would say, so with these shifts,
it's like there's no, it's not a conjunction, like when
I said we had Saturday and Jupiter conjunct. That's like

(01:46:15):
that's a very specific that's like a very specific time
that happens. When we talk about these shifts. These are
the planets that are going into constellations, and there's no
real definitive start and end to these constellations. So we
have these boundaries which are basically approximations, and so the
closer the planet gets to the new sign, the more
we're going to feel the energy. So, but there's no

(01:46:36):
exact point, at least not with the sky. With truth said,
there's no line between the stars. So it's important to
realize that although the energy is starting next year, I
would say over the next two years to answer your question,
I would say over the next two years. In general,
it's very significant in terms of how are we going
to take this direction? Where are we going to turn

(01:47:00):
the ship, and to be less mindful and aware of,
you know, potentially things that could lead us down the
wrong direction, and to be you know, not only aware
of that, but maybe even again work with this constructively
used the energies for the humanities benefit to prevent those
kinds of things from happening.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
You know. Recently, I've had different researchers, independent researchers and
guests that have postulated that different spiritual ancient texts, even
the Bible, is written based on astrological principles, that anytime
an animal is mentioned, that it's really talking about a constellation,

(01:47:42):
a constellation in the sky, and that these are all
linked to different astrological principles, different stories and parables in
the Bible. What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Yeah, I actually believe that. You know, if you think
about what our ancestors did. We just sat in front
of the fire at night. You know, we didn't have
these boxes we live in now. We certainly didn't have
these lights or these computer screens. And so you have
to realize that the entire human existence at night was
basically just the stars. And you know, and so you know,

(01:48:18):
you're sitting, you know, around the fire, you're looking at
the stars. I mean, everyone's probably telling stories and it's
all connected, you know, and not just with story, but
I think also with scripture and like you said, the
Bible and stuff. I mean, my point is is that
we've lost touch with the stars completely and it was
such an integral part of humanity. And there's no doubt

(01:48:41):
in my mind that texts like the Bible and stuff
are referencing this stuff. And you know, just to make
a side point, you know, like for example, the Bible
might say like, you know, don't don't use divination, right,
but like so then you know, you could go to
the extreme and say, okay, astrology is divination, and so
astrology is evil. But if you look deeper and you

(01:49:04):
see the divation means what I was saying earlier about
what I what I don't think it's good to do
with astrology. It's about making predictions and using the stars
in a way that it's going to lead to you
having some sort of thinking. You can have some sort
of omniscience or you know, foresight and be able to predict,

(01:49:25):
you know, and predict someone's future and then get caught
up into living your life around it. So I really
really do my very best to make sure that astrology
is not used in this way or this difinative divination
sort of way. But you have that little part of
the Bible, but then like almost almost you know, every
part of the Bible, they're referencing the stars or the
sun and like all these associations and stuff. So I

(01:49:49):
think that these stars are best used as guideposts. They can,
you know, for tell generally, like I said, time periods
and the coming of things and what's good to develop
at certain times. But but yeah, you know, it's very
different from divination. I wanted to make that point, but
also that, yeah, I think all these scriptures have their

(01:50:13):
roots in astrology because I mean, the night is the
spiritual time. You know, anything spiritual, I could almost guarantee
you it comes out of the stars in some way.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
There are times that are better than others for us
to pursue certain relationships and goals, business deals, certain things
that we're doing in our life. There's there's better times
to do them than others.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
Right, I mean, you know so again, like I don't
like to live my life around or advocate anyone live
their life around, you know, making specific decisions at certain times.
But it's like telling the weather. If I was my
job is to tell, you know, a person I'm doing
reading for whatever, what the weather looks like. So if
I was doing a reading for you, I might say,

(01:51:02):
you know, hey, so it's looking it's looking, just to
put in weather terms, it's looking a bit rainy next year.
So maybe it's not a good time to go play sports.
Maybe it's a better time to spend more time indoors
and maybe do your productive stuff instead. Now you can
go and do your sports and have a fabulous time,

(01:51:23):
and that can be an enriching and very empowering productive time,
you know, very great time of your life. But at
least you would know from a weather standpoint, what you're
kind of getting into, you know what I mean, And
so maybe by knowing that it's raining, it can help you,
you know, plan your life and make sense of your
life and you know, do certain things at certain times
that might be more conducive. Right. So a lot of

(01:51:45):
what we talked about earlier, like how Pluto's going into Capricorn,
we talked about it collectively with the restructuring of foundations,
but this means that all of us individually, it's a
great time to start to restructure any foundations that we've
built in our life and any status quos that we
have personally, challenge them, disrupt them constructively intentionally. So you know,

(01:52:08):
so all this stuff is, you know, showing what's good
to do at certain times. And yeah, you know, absolutely
certain times are more conducive for productive life, others for
personal life, some for more ego driven identity, you know, goals,
and then other times for more spiritual stuff, you know,
And so knowing where we're at these cycles absolutely can

(01:52:30):
help us determine what's the best time for these things.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Excellent Athin, thank you so much. This was fantastic. We
learned a lot today Before you head out, let the
audience know if they're interested in getting a reading, finding
out more about you, what's the best way that they
can do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
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But I did want to extend a discount to all
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(01:53:29):
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We have much more we could discuss, so I'd love
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