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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today, I want to welcome Curvin Oakwin. He is a
highly experienced intelligence professional with an impressive background in both
the public and private sectors. He's had fifteen years of
service as an Army intelligence analyst and over twenty years
of intelligence experience. He has provided critical intelligence support to

(00:26):
special operations teams in some of the most challenging and
demanding missions. Motivated by a desire to share his expertise
with a wider audience, he founded his own private intelligence company,
oakun Analytics. Curvin, welcome, How are you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm doing great, man, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I can't complain. Every new day is a blessing and man,
it's going to be fun. Today. We're going to get
your insights into some of the quote unquote disclosures that
have come to light recently about UFOs now branded UAPs,
and this is based on your previous experiences working in
Army intelligence as well as we're going to also get

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into some other events that have unfolded and continue to
unfold in our strange reality. So we got a lot
we can get to. But before we get to our discussion,
this is your first time on tell us more about yourself,
your background and what led you to start your own company.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, sure. So I was Army for fifteen years as
an intelligence analyst to deployed multiple times, multiple austere locations,
some very fun locations. We'll probably get into some of
those locations during this discussion. But so started the company
in twenty eighteen just as an avenue to do consulting

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up in DC. I worked within the DoD realm, the
Department of Defense, and I wanted to branch out and
start using my background and intel leigence and the travel
that I have done to do what's called protective intelligence
or travel security. And I linked up with another intelligence
officer that we were going to start doing that kind

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of things for Fortune five hundred, Fortune one thousand type companies.
When cego, when CEOs go to travel overseas, they kind
of need a brief on what to expect when they're there.
You know, if things get hairy like we're seeing in
Israel and Palestine within Ukraine, these kind of CEOs need
to know how to get out. That was our plan,

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but that was going to launch April of twenty twenty.
We all know what happened in April of twenty twenty.
That was really when everything's shut down, no more travel,
So I had to pivot. And within that pivot, I
kind of, you know, being at home alone with the family,
just reading news every day and you kind of see

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five or six different opinions from major news sources and
what going on, and people who go against the narrative
or deemed conspiracy theorists or you know, their counterculture, and
they're not really they're not up to date on what's
actually going on. What I actually saw was that that
journalists were taking their own biases and presenting their biases

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as facts within various news sources. And I said, hey,
hold on. You know, I spent fifteen years military intelligence
kind of fighting back against this narrative but also understanding
information operation campaigns and syops, and I said, this looks
to me like an IO campaign from multiple governments or

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you know, syops from other governments that are kind of
presenting what's going on. So I said, hey, let's just
start to redevelop this company to present geopolitical news within
a way that is logical, fact based, and multi source,

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so that when we get we butt heads about what's
a conspiracy theory, what's not a conspiracy theory, let's look
at the facts, at all of the facts and what
maybe you're trying to hide that you don't want to
put out. And that's what we started doing here at
Oaklan Analytics. We started putting that stuff out through Instagram,
through our Instagram account. It's gotten pretty big. I would

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consider as somebody who didn't see this actually expanding as
much as it has. We've got the podcast This Week Explained,
which just explains things you're not probably gonna hear within
the news media. It's explaining these geopolitical events in a
way that's logical and that's fact based. And I think
that's where I differ in attacking these things of like

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UAPs and alien existence and supernatural things that occur. I
come from a very logical, logical background. It it kind
of confused a lot of people as I grew up
as a you know, in a conservative Christian area in
southern Louisiana, and I was a went to church and
was a religious person, believed in a God. And it's

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but you're very logical, how do you do that? Well,
I've taken the logical things that it just doesn't make
sense that it came from nothing and now here we
are and so I've taken that same thing with UAPs
and alien existence and the existence of maybe ghosts and
things like that, look at it from a logical sense,
and I think that's where this conversation is going to go.

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Some of my experiences and how my views have changed,
and also how we can look at it through a
logical sense and through a fact based sense and stop
just calling people conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Hundred percent. You said you were from Louisiana. Whereabout.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yes, I was in the Lafayette area. I was born
in a little town called Well, I was born in
a hospital in Eunice, Louisiana, but I grew up in Mamu, Louisiana.
Well that's what I've never heard of. There you go,
it's going to say it's one maybe no one's ever
heard of, but we're about fourteen hundred strong.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, I got born and raised in Homa.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So that's where my wife was born. Well, she was
born in Oklahoma City, but she was raised in Homa, Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, that's my that's my neck of the woods there.
That is where I just recently got back from my trip.
So awesome from around the same parts. Let's get into
some of the experiences you were just mentioning that that
shaped your insights and outlook into these conspiratorial realms. In
your first email, you had mentioned an experience with a

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mission during the anti Russian aggression in Poland that had
some very interesting encounters and experiences you'd like to discuss.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I would call them anomalies, just you know, things
that you can't discount, but you can't also prove factually.
And that's so everything that I'm going to speak about
is open source. It's things that have happened to me.
I don't have an NDA on any of this stuff.
So that actual mission was an overt, and you have

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covert and overt covert. A lot of what the CIA
does that you never hear about until about forty five
years later, those are covert. The mission I had was overt.
We wanted the Russians to know we were there. The
United States military is there. We're protecting the Polish people
from an invasion from Russia. This was twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

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and now look at where we are. But I digress
of it. So we're out in Poland, and so let
me give it just a little bit of background on
what I was doing out there. The field that I
was in was what's called Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance. It's ISR.
What fits in that is UAVs, so onmanned aeronautical vehicles

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that you drones. We also deal in manned aircraft, and
we have what's considered This was especially true in my
time at Fort Bragg from two thousand and nine to
twenty sixteen. We have what's called the Unblinking Eye. That's
really what we call these drones and these manned ISR assets.

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So we have a twenty four to seven coverage of
any particular area at any given time. And so what
that has opened up is anomalies, things that we may
have never seen from two thousand and three before then.
And one of those things that happened and was caught

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on r UAV footage was very similar to the tic
TAC videos. So you have you have this anomaly in
the shape of a tic TAC and the sensor, the
camera which we call a sensor can kind of go
tail in onto it, look at it, and kind of

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follow it around. And with that, if you are if
you're good at your job, which I'm looking at this
video feed day in and day out for hours and
hours and hours. You kind of can identify how fast
something is moving based off of the way, you know,
the speed of the aircraft at the time, the way
that the sensor is looking at, and the way the

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sensor is moving. So what we saw this a little
it was a mission coming back and we're just waiting
for it to land. Now, this this was an m
Q nine, which is known as a reaper. It goes
about one hundred and twenty to one hundred and sixty
five one hundred and sixty miles per hour. The reason
they call them drones is because they're more they're slower
than your other aircraft that can get up to, you know,

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upwards to five six hundred miles per hour. We were
talking commercial, So these drone along. So it's a very
slow craft. Well, the person operating the sensor we call
a sensor operator, he has this anomaly within the center
of the video feed and he's starting to move it

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around and you can kind of see he's focusing in
on it. So that really in that situation that stops
all of us because we're going, what what does he
think he's seeing? What does he or she think that
they're seeing and what are we looking at. So we
kind of all stopped and took a look at it,

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and you can kind of notice that this tic tac
is going pretty quickly upwards to I would say, one
to two thousand miles per hour if you're basing it
off of the speed of the aircraft and the movement
of the sensor, and we kind of just you know,
blew it off at the time. We looked at it,

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and then kind of said, well, that's an anomaly. It's
probably you know, the reflection of the sun off of
water beaming into the sensor, and now it's moving, it's
moving around. And at that time, one of the so
one of the maintenance people for this aircraft, he could

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also see the feed and he runs into the tent
and he says, hey, tell him to move away from that,
Like what's going on. He's like, well, I've seen a
very similar thing in Nevada when we were doing tests
on some sensor stuff. And then two hours later, a
bunch of people in black suits came in and took
all of our stuff, deleted all of our videos, and

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walked out and we never heard anything of it again.
And I said, well, Okay, I'll tell him to move off.
We kind of want him to move off anyway, because
it's just wasting his sensor capabilities and we don't really
need it. So we had him close it up and
kind of sat there and thought about it for a
second and said, wow, you know, that did seem like

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an anomaly. That did seem like something that. Yeah, we
logically looking at it. It could have been it could
have been just reflection off of the wall. However, it
when the sensor moved, it didn't move all the time.
So we finished it right, So we said, okay, we

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won't talk about it. We won't talk about it anymore.
I can say nobody came out. I don't think anybody
that high was looking up at it. But it really
got me thinking about, ma'am, what other anomalies have been seen?
And you know a few years later, we have what
we're seeing now with the tic TAC videos with the Pentagon.

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The premiere site for the Department of Defense is doing.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
That.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
They have an entire UAP branch now to investigate these anomalies.
So why is that That's the first thing that I
focus on, especially as an intelligence analyst. Why is the Pentagon.
If the US government says there's no basis behind this,
we don't know anything about it, why would the Pentagon
say set up a UAP investigation. And it's simple, we

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don't know. We absolutely do not know. But if you
think logically, we just had the James Webb telescope right
that saw billions of years, billions of light years away.
We saw how much, how many planets, how many galaxies
are within just everything that exists, And it's illogical to

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me to suspect that with all of that out there,
that we are it that we're the only ones that
have I don't know, been enlightened enough to be where
we are now. And so if that's illogical, it's also
illogical to me that we are the furthest along. So
there's got to be something else that's further along.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Now, did you have any other experiences along their way
with your army intelligence experiences that may have pointed to
any other evidence that they may know more than there
letting on about the technologies that they have when it
comes to reverse engineered craft and exotic technologies and things

(14:17):
of that nature.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't have anything that I have seen physically, and
I would expect that. You know, I was not one
of the top leaders of any of these programs, So
that to me makes sense. Now, if you think about,
let's go to a site like Area fifty one, I

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won't you know, we're not gonna mention any names of
where it's at or anything like that. But if you
kind of look at Area fifty one and what it is,
what it is is a testing ground. It's a training
and testing ground, and it's been the testing ground for
some of the top US aircrafts. It has been the
top testing ground for nuclear devices and for other dirty bombs.

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So why would would that area be a place where
a lot of people see maybe UAP or alien activity.
So there's two there's two reasons why. One would be well,
go look at the F one to seventeen Nighthawk that
was created in the eighties. Even look at that aircraft.
That looks a lot like what we consider an alien aircraft.

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So some of those can be pushed to the side
to say, well, it's it's probably a testing aircraft. The
other thing is the use of nuclear weapons. So that's
the one side of it you could just say, oh,
it's it's a bunch of bs. Because it's just these
aircraft and that's why we're seeing these kind of things now.
On the flip side of it is, if it's a

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nuclear testing ground and you are a highly advanced alien race,
would not that be the area you go to to
view what these silly humans are doing to each other
and maybe try to impact that. And so I could
see both sides of that. And I've actually been in

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that area and had a you know, soon training with
the guy in one of the pilots that was there,
and he was had he'd been doing some survival stuff,
so he had been with minimal food and water and
nobody around him for about seventy two hours, and he
talks about he told me about this this time. He

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was out one night sitting there doing nothing because he
was just doing his survival stuff and he had gotten
such just such a low point. He was out of food,
minimal water, and he wasn't getting anything back from his
higher headquarters on when he was going to get picked up,
so he was kind of in a bad mental state.
But he told me, he is that, you know, there

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there was a moment where I really think I saw
a UAP. Well, what do you mean? And he goes
he was just sitting there and he's looking off in
the distance. And now where this is at in the desert,
you can see from miles and the only and we're
talking hundreds of miles from Las Vegas, Nevada, So the

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only light you can see is those Vegas lights. So
there's no there's no that light pollution, there's no noise pollution.
And he looks off into the distance and he sees
a light and it comes rushing towards him, and he's like,
whoa man, you know, those F thirty fives are coming
in pretty fast. This is an F thirty five pilot.

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He knows the he knows his vehicle. So man, it's
coming in really quick and really low. This is this
is kind of concerning. I need to kind of let
maybe shoot off a flare and let him know that
someone's in this area before they do something, Before he
could do anything, it flies, you know, just a few

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feet would seemed like a few feet for his head,
and it's gone and it no sound, didn't hear anything,
and and so a lot of people chalked it up
to you know, the mental state that he was in
or the because there's no noise or light pollution. It
can kind of play tricks on you, and at night

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in the desert, things to play tricks on you. But
it's yet another anomaly. And if you keep you know,
putting those up next to each other, it goes from oh, well,
this is just a one off thing. Too Well, now
we're talking about multiple things. Now we're talking about people
who are coming out who were pretty high level within
the intelligence community, who said that they have seen sort

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of the same things.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
This is a big question in this community as far
as how much of what we're seeing in the skies
is truly anomalous or off planet non human technology versus
what has been reverse engineered or developed by our military
industrial complex. Let's start with your thoughts on how many

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years ahead do you think the military technology at its
highest levels is compared to what we have access to
in the private sector.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Oh, light years. I mean, it is so far, it's
so far advanced. So I'll go back to the F
one seventeen Nighthawk. You know that started in nineteen eighty one.
It didn't come into combat use till two thousand and eight,
so you're talking decades. It went I believe over a

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decade before anyone even knew about the program. That's how
highly classified these these programs Areteen nineteen fifty six was
when the site that we know is Area fifty one
was established for the for the military use for the CIA,
and it was I guess in the sixties it started

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to become part of the space program. You know, we
were fighting Russia to get to the Moon. We wanted
to get into space. We wanted to beat the Soviet
Union to get out there, to show that, you know,
communism is dead and the US and capitalism wins. And
it's a lot of development went on there, and it's

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a lot of things that we didn't know about for decades,
and so that still happens today, even with the rate
of information as we have it. I can attest there
are things that are going on right now within the
Department of Defense that I have no idea about that
would just blow people's minds as far as space and

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weaponry that we were attempting to use. And there's a reason,
there is a reason, a legitimate reason for that, and
why the population doesn't know and should not know about
those advances. The main it's all it's all based around
national security. Anytime you say national security, that's people are
gonna get, You're gonna get people's vote. Just keep me safe,

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that's all I want the government to do. So for
an ad from a national security perspective, what we're developing,
if it gets into the wrong hands, could be developed
by an adversary like Russia or China or Iran, and
that would be devastating for the US. So that's why
it's it's kept highly classified. But another question that really

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gets to me, that that I would really love to
tackle is how do we make those advancements right? What
kind of view all those advancements through science and technology?
Everything's done in research and development, science and technology, But
we have advanced so far from nineteen seventy to today,

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that is it plausible that just through the evolution of
research and development that we have reached where we are
right now, where we are at a capacity where we're
talking about a simulation. This isn't even human life. We
could be a simulation. And so if you're going to
say maybe it wasn't research and development, maybe it wasn't

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science and technology, what really was it then? And you know,
there are so many stories, through religious stories, through historical
stories of people being brought, you know, people having somebody
come to them and improve what's going on. They see
the human races about to die off, and they said,

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we're not going to let that happen. Look at the
flood stories. Every major religion has a flood story. Every
culture from from you know, the Jews, the Christians, the Mesopotamians,
American Native Americans have flood stories. You know a lot
of these flood stories. How do they survive? Well, they

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have a god, a being that tells them, hey, you
kind of need to get ready, we're going to have
a flood or a being or a god that ushers
them out of the flood zone. Well, what does that
sound like if you take you know, religion out, if
you say, okay, there's no god, nothing like that, what
does that sound like? It sounds like somebody from another

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galaxy has come over. Why so, logically, thinking, why does
every single culture have that. It can't be all these
cultures that were far apart from each other, didn't exist together,
had the same stories around the same time. What does
that mean, Well, it means logically it probably happened. There

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is you know, there is evidence of floods that have
happened at the same time across the world, and so
logically it means something in that story is true. So
all of these having this godly figure that comes in
and ushers them into a new human lifestyle. We talk
about ancient ancient aliens or ancient civilizations being ushered in

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to a new civilization. It just logically makes sense that
there has to be something else that did that.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
You know what's very interesting, and I want to get
your thoughts on military industrial research and some of these
high level departments and black operations that we're looking into
exotic technologies, how much they were really dabbling in occult

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or metaphysical research. You look at characters like Michael Akino,
who was deeply into the Luciferian or Satanic ritualistic aspects
of a lot of stuff, trying to implement psychic warfare
and things of that nature all the way to you
hear the stories of Hitler's channelers that were channeling this

(25:04):
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Speaker 2 (25:40):
As far as the military is concern, I think it's
very little. But when you talk about and I try
not to get like to consider certain intelligence agencies as
shadier things like that. But when you're an intelligence agency
and your goal is to protect your country, you're going
to use readvantage that you can find. And and I

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can't speak for other intelligence agents, but I could tell
you for the CIA, they've looked into everything, right, They've
they have looked into dark magic, they have looked into witchcraft,
and how can you can we utilize this thing? There
were programs within the CIA that tried to use psychics,

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they tried to use telepathy. Can we see if it exists,
if it does exist, if we if we as humans
are able to use that, how does that how do
we use that to our advantage? And so you're the
audience may go we probably, I would say, your audience
is pretty well read up on these, so they probably

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understand it. But others may say, yeah, but we don't
hear about it. It doesn't get out well there's a
reason for Then it goes back to the same reason
that I just talked about. You want the advantage. So
if you if you publish that advantage, who else gets
that advantage? Your adversary, So then they start developing it.

(27:07):
So can I confirm that this stuff has been used? No,
but understanding Going back to the logical aspect of all this,
if you were using every single type of advantage, you
are going to go into the very minutia, the biggest
conspiracy theory you can think of, and you're going to see,

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first of all, it does it work? If it works,
how can we utilize this? And then if we're utilizing this,
how do we keep that under wraps?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Do you think that there is more collaboration with military
and what could be considered extraterrestrials than we would ever
understand as far as reports of people being taken military
abductions where they is witness military personnel along with extra terrestrials.

(28:04):
Do you think that we have some sort of collaboration
with off planet entities?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, I can't. Like I said, I can't tell you
for sure. Even if I could'd be highly classified and
I wouldn't be here talking to you right now. But
let's look at it from is it possible, Yes, it's
it's possible. Why would that be effective? Welp, how would
we advance as a military. What's the best way to

(28:33):
advance is to have another military, a more advanced military,
teach us how to you know, first of all, how
to create these things, how to design it, and then
how to utilize it. You know that that's just how
all these weapons systems, these weapon systems, these aircraft, that's
always how they work. How do you create it, develop it,

(28:56):
and then train how to use it. Well, you're not
going to just give well let's say we're just going
to give the US military. We are, you know, from
somewhere else. We're going to give the US military this
piece of device and just hand it to them. Well,
they're not gonna We're not going to know what's going
to happen. So they would have to then train the

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pilots to use it, train the sciences to develop it,
where to find the material to create it? Uh? I
know what we what we don't have right now is
different types of material that are being used at this
moment within missiles and aircrafts that aren't Uh that aren't terrestrial,

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So every everything we have is terrestrial. So a big
red flag would be something comes up and something that
you know during these these Pentagon discussions that came out
is that we've reverse engineered it and there are non
terrestrial things that we have within within the government. That's huge.
If that is true, that's huge, and that's part of

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the reason why the Pentagon wants to discuss this because
if that is going on, first of all, we've got
to stop putting it out there, put it under wrap
so that it's just us that keeps in and each
country's government is looking because they see they have seen
how far the US has advanced militarily, and they're wondering

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how did this happen? And there are some of those
discussions going on. Was it because of another something else
that handed this to us or showed us how to
develop it? So yeah, that's why logically thinking, yeah, that
would be a very logical explanation for getting having US

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military that have been which you would consider, you know, abducted.
I would consider that just you know, what we call
TDY temporary duty, So you're not really abduct him, you're
just telling this is where you're gonna go, and we're
gonna We're gonna be the ones that take you there.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Do you think with all our advances in the exotic
technologies that we have, as far as our own UAPs
and the exotic weaponry capabilities that we have, that we
would ever see any type of what we would thought
once thought of as conventional warfare in the future or

(31:25):
do you think it would all be this exotic kind
of drone warfare?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, I think the push that we're getting to now
so that there was a great book by a lieutenant
colonel from the Marine Corps is one of the first
operators of UAVs within a combat zone, and and he
basically wrote a book talking about the history of war

(31:50):
and how we've evolved through our war and through this
history of war, what we have done as humans is
try to further ourselves away from the battlefield. You know,
it starts with with you know, first wars, hand to
hand combat, knives, swords, and then we have spears, throwing spears.
Then you have guns, you have mortars. Now you have

(32:14):
unmanned vehicles. And started with UAVs, drones, unmanned aerial vehicles.
Now we're seeing unmanned sea vehicles. We're getting to where
cars are driving themselves. We're doing all of this autonomously
to keep soldiers out of the battlefield. That's the future

(32:35):
of military warfare. There's gonna be a lot of a
lot of cyber a lot of space battles. Now, when
I'm talking about space, I'm not talking what we would
think in maybe like star Wars or something like that.
We're not talking about just flying space space ships into

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space and fighting each other, but satellites fighting against each
other on one country downing another satellite. That's the future
of warfare, and it's going to be these unmanned vehicles.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Some have speculated, with all the insanity that has happened,
especially since twenty twenty, that we have some sort of
split within our own government and even within our own military,
that they have formed these factions based on disagreements on
outcomes of agendas and things of that nature, where we

(33:33):
have groups in the military that don't agree with the
way some things are unfolding, and that these factions are
having these this infighting, and it trickles out from everything
to this UAP disclosure, to what could possibly be happening
in the Middle East, to everything else that we see

(33:54):
broadcasted in the media. What are your thoughts about that?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, so first first, my initial reaction to all of
it is I would like, not everything is a conspiracy.
Everything since COVID seems to come out and somebody says
it's a conspiracy one way or another, just based off
of their worldview. This is this is how they see it.
Now saying that that doesn't mean that there are no

(34:21):
true conspiracies. Well, we have found since COVID is a
lot of things that we once believed were conspiracies have
come out and become true. And so are there there
is there infighting? Yes, there's there's definitely in fighting. Listen,
within the US alone, the two we have a two
party system, even though there are multiple different parties, but

(34:43):
as far as controlling the federal government, we have a
two party system, and at this moment in our history,
we are the furthest apart than we've ever been in
those two Between those two factions and within the to
there are definitely people, you know, fighting what they would

(35:04):
consider the good fight to stay in power. It's all
it's all about power. What that leads us to is
how we see our media, because how does how does
the media get its reporting for military or intelligence things, Well,
they get it from people within the military. They get

(35:25):
it from people within the intelligence community, and when they
have a narrative that they want to push, they find
the right person that they want to talk to to
put that narrative out there, and that continues the fight.
So is there this is the fight between you know,
Democrats and Republicans. That's not really the fight. I see

(35:48):
the fight as being between an elite group of people
who want to stay in power regardless of their political factions,
political leaning, and then the rest of us who are
just sitting here going and I just want to survive.
I want to be able to buy a house. I
want to be able to give my kids a good life,
and what we're seeing is that's being destroyed.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Could it be possible that why the disclosure, the UAP
disclosure has been ramped up, is because we are wanting
to roll out more exotic technologies because of all the
escalations in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
It definitely could be, But it's very interesting to me
that it was disclosed and it made zero It made
headlines for a day. The government basically said we believe
that there could be UFOs UAPs and no one said

(36:46):
anything because we were so distracted with all of the
other I think that was the real reason why they
disclosed it now. And the reason I say that is
because you were talking about these high level because and
people who kind of guide these high level leaders. It's
all guided off of data. They do a bunch of

(37:07):
data analysis on okay, and the news media does it
as well. Right, if you have a story that is
a big news story but it goes against your worldview
as the news media, you're going to publish it on
Friday afternoon, it's going to do about ten minutes on
the Friday evening news and then everybody forgets it by Monday.

(37:30):
Same is true when if you're a boss and you're
firing somebody, the data suggests you fire a person on Friday,
because while they'll be disgruntled on Friday the weekend, they'll
kind of recover from that. Monday you never hear from
them again. You do that on Monday, you're going to
hear Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. It's going to become a problem.

(37:53):
So I do think somebody had done the data analysis
on it and said, hey, if we release this today,
when they released it. With everything else that's going on
in the world and all of the fighting going on
around the world, I don't think anybody's going to care.
And it was true. There's only very few people I

(38:16):
know you're one of them, but very few people who
are trying to keep that within the media cycle. Try
to keep talking about it because it is important.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's very interesting that they've reached this level of disclosure,
especially with this Grush character coming out and talking about
the physical evidence that we have of this phenomena, including
non human biologics as they call this. Do you see
it continuing? I see this back and forth sort of

(38:51):
They'll throw out some breadcrumbs and then reel it back
in for a little bit. Time will pass, and then
the bread crumbs will get and this seems to be
an ongoing pattern.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I hope, so, I really do. I think what the
the powers that be would hope is that we just
forget about it, you know, Grush, like you said, he
did his big Pentagon speech, went to the Senate, talked
to the Senate. He had a bunch of pretty high
level a journalist freelance journalists that were with him. That

(39:26):
kind of what I look for when I'm looking at
the facts of things is I want multi sourced, so
I want multiple people talking about the same thing, and
then you can kind of piece together what would happen
and figure out the truth. The truth is never completely
out there. You have to read between the lines, and

(39:48):
so he's had quite a few really good journalists that
have been with him to kind of piece that together,
get other eyewitness and I hope that it continues. It
can only do good to continue the conversation, you know,
stop stop calling people just conspiracy heads and foil hat

(40:10):
tin hat wearing people, and have the conversation. And if
it comes out that none of this actually happened, then
that can be part of the conversation. But most likely
it's going to be, oh, this is very interesting, through
our through our analysis of the situation, this is what
we think has happened, and we won't know completely what.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
It was.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So I don't think we'll ever get to the point
where in my lifetime that will know exactly what those
things are and what they were here to do. So
you think about it from that logical sense, is you
don't you know, you don't just drive from your location
to Chicago, Illinois for no reason. You're not just driving

(40:59):
around for no reason. You have a reason for it.
And I say that to say this. If we're visited
by something, there's a reason for it. It's it's not
just oh, there's a pretty little planet there, let's go
look at it. You know, if the abduction stories are real,
think about it from a logical sense. You don't just
pick up a person and say how to do put

(41:22):
them back down and then go away. There's that that
takes money, resources, even from from that high up level
that it from something that could be completely out of
our head, we don't understand. It still takes money, resources
and those two things you're gonna need to be able
to do something.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
What are your thoughts on the bodies that were recently
revealed by the Mexican government from this character, Jime Massan.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I I do not like the bodies. I mean I
look at the bodies and they look to me like
a fifth grade paper machere, and I think we do
a disservice to the community when we continue to highlight that.
For sure, investigate for sure, you know, get some respectable

(42:14):
people within the scientific community to look at it and
identify it in a public setting. But to just latch
onto that after seeing what did that look like it?
I felt like that was a down moment in the community.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
We've reached a very interesting point in this quote unquote community.
It's like you said earlier, not everything is a conspiracy.
Some folks are taking it so far as to believe
that this has all been made up by our government,
the entire alien phenomena to perpetuate some sort of new

(42:53):
mass event that'll instill fear in the public, to achieve
some sort of global outcome. To me, I don't see
that as a possibility, just because of all the history,
ancient history and beyond that indicates that we've been visited

(43:15):
and there is something whether you want to call it supernatural, metaphysical, interdimensional,
or even extraterrestrial, that has been interacting with us. To me,
I see the evidence long before we had any type
of technology to fake it. But what are your thoughts
on that?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, so I can say from personal experience and working
in the government and with government people, I don't know
of anyone that is smart enough to do any of that.
I know the bureaucracy of the US government, even from
the level of covert operations that to do that and

(43:59):
to get it signed off by anybody, and then to
keep it under wraps for years and years is humanly impossible. Because,
especially in DC, what do people love to do. They
love to talk, They love to talk about themselves. Things
are going to leak out. I do think, like you

(44:19):
that that's a little far fetched, just understanding the bureaucracy
that happens here.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Do you think that in any way there are factions
of our government any type of deep black projects that
could still be doing on some level some sort of
human experimentation along the same lines as the my lab experimentation,

(44:49):
but with different types of exotic technologies frequencies. I'm not
sure if you are familiar with the Cameleo story by
David Guffey, where this gentleman was being legally surveiled and
harassed by our military industrial complex and they were sending
drones to his house, dosing him with some psychedelic drugs

(45:11):
and faking alien experiences things of that nature. Do you
think it's possible that there are factions of our military
still doing some of this stuff?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, definitely, if not, if not in the I said,
if I'm in the military and we're talking about very
covert operations. So to be like, well, do you know
of any No, I don't, because yeah, I have a clearance,
I have access to a lot of things. But this
is this is on the level of something totally different.

(45:43):
If I had that kind of access, like I said,
I wouldn't be here right here, I'd be under a
close hold. But let's that you bring up an interesting
concept there, because you talk about frequencies and utilizing frequencies
to affect an individual, and those happen, And is it

(46:07):
going on right now where the US military is targeting
certain people? I don't know. But have you heard of
Havana syndrome?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, So even that is seen by some as a
conspiracy because we're saying that the Russians are using certain
frequencies to attack high level diplomats, make them sick, various
CIA operatives. And the way that they would do that,
if you believe that they are doing that, is through
different frequencies. And we understand significant scientifically that different frequencies

(46:39):
affect people. And if you get it to a certain level,
you can have you don't know, you can't hear it,
you can't really feel it, except the fact that you're
uncomfortable and you can't hear it, you can't smell it.
It has none of the affects, none of your senses.
But all of a sudden, you're in a location and

(47:01):
a group of you start getting sick. And if you
if if you were exposed to radiation for any extended
period of time, you're going to start to get sick.
You're not going to know the radiation is there. You're
not going to know that there is a frequency that
may be going. So it's a very easy concept to

(47:24):
affect change on an individual level when you're having these
diplomatic meetings.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Have you heard of exotic technologies like voice to skull
where they can project either voices or imageries or instructions
into someone's mind.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I mean that this has come out that the
CIA was doing this for many years. They are that's
part of their trying to understand if telepathy works, trying
to understand, you know, psychics and and what psychic abilities
people have. And in doing all of that, they've understood

(48:05):
the way different frequencies work, just understand how the human
mind works, and how you can sort of project onto people.
That there's some tests on projecting ideas onto people. It's
not even your concept or your idea. It was placed
into your brain from another device, and now you're starting

(48:26):
to push a different narrative and you have no idea
why you've always you think, oh, I've always thought that way,
just because someone else is changing that in your own mind.
And look, Elon Musk is working on all kinds of
things that we don't know about that and it's not

(48:46):
like deep state dark kind of things. He's just a
very highly intellectual person that loves what we would consider
science fiction, and he wants to understand if these things
that we want science fiction are actually can become a reality.
And you do get a lot of people within the
intelligence community, within the military that have that same mental

(49:09):
concept of I really love this kind of stuff and
I want to know if it's real. I want to
know if we can really do it and get you
apply for a grant and you could spend millions of
dollars trying to identify if this works and if you
find out that it does work. Now we're talking about
a classified piece of information that any government is going

(49:31):
to want to have their hands on and keep under wraps.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I remember years ago when I used to live in
a sort of lower vibrational state. I'd always be worried
about cyber warfare and the possibilities with this, and I
would think that the individuals working on our behalf in
the military and the cyber warfare departments must be constantly

(49:57):
battling against hackers and forces that are trying to infiltrate,
and that has to be an extremely stressful job. I
would imagine, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, I mean, there there was a time when that
was going on, but everything now is automated. Our whole terrifying.
We could get into that conversation because I'm on both
sides of the AI conversation. I love it. Listen, I'm
a technology guy and I'll answer your question. But but

(50:30):
I'm I'm a technology guy. And so the first concepts
of artificial intelligence or just to me or wonderful, what
can what can we do as a human race with AI?
That could help us so much? And then on the
flip side, understanding war, understanding the military, understanding that you know,
governments are adversarial and they want the upper hand, how

(50:51):
can that be used in a negative aspect? And so
you got both those. But getting back to the automation,
so it's it's become a lot less stressful on these
guys on what we would So in the US we
have what we consider like a white hat hacker or
you know, like an ethical hacker. Where it used to

(51:14):
be where you were sitting there and you were identifying things.
Now it's everything's automated. You get an alert, oh, something
something is off here, and so then you get into
the code and you kind of try to figure out
what's going on. Then you reverse that to see where
it actually came from. And so that's a lot of
the warfare that's going on now. But that's within you know,

(51:36):
a military community orin the intelligence community. The fear and
your fear is very valid. The fear is from the
private sector because the private sector does not have all
of the capabilities that an entire government would have. I
mean recently, in the last couple of years, we had,

(51:59):
you know, the water systems Florida attacked by an unknown hacker.
We still don't know, some point to Russia, some point
to China, but it was it was very interesting because
it was a small town in Florida. It you know,
the water system only went to a few thousand houses,

(52:19):
or whatnot, and and it affected it and it became
a problem. They had to shut down, figure out where
it was coming from, and then restart the infrastructure. Think
about that in a city like New York or Washington,
d C. It completely if you shut down the infrastructure there,
it completely shuts down a major global city, a major economy.

(52:43):
And as far as from an adversary, that's that's a
wonderful thing for an adversary because it takes very few resources,
takes very little manpower to actually do that. So I
think that is something that that we're going to have
to look to and if we want to go he
continue the conversation about extraterrestrial that would be, in my opinion,

(53:05):
where we would see if an extraterrestrial says, hey, we
got to get rid of this human race. It's not
gonna be bombs being dropped and blown up. They're just
going to shut down the infrastructure and put us back
to the first civilization. So then you think of ancient civilizations.
I'm very I'm very passionate about like ancient civilizations, and

(53:29):
maybe we know less. We just know so little about history,
about our own personal history, that we could have been
far more advanced than we ever thought and still to
this day do not know about it. And there are
certain logical reasons for that, and one of those I
consider is having something else that's not terrestrial either come

(53:54):
in and destroy it to start it all over again,
or to guide along into a new civilization.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
And everything that we look at in all areas of research,
there's evidence of both of those things. We can go
down each of those rabbit holes and see the possibilities
where we've either been guided by some other types of
intelligences and they weren't happy with the outcome, so they

(54:26):
had a reset. And it makes me wonder if we
could be possibly heading towards one of those ages again.
Earlier you said that you don't think we will have
this understanding of what's really happening in our lifetime. How
far do you see us getting with our understanding of
extraterrestrials in the next twenty thirty years.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
That's going to be the key to that. I'll go
back to Elon Musk. It's what he's doing, it's what
Bezos is doing. So we can need to talk now
negatively about these big powerful players within the US economy
and how they're trying to take power and control things

(55:09):
and control the narrative. They're also trying to expand outside
of terrestrial Earth. And I think once that happens, once
we identify a place to settle for a few humans
and that's happening, these are pioneers. These are the same
as you would think of people circumnavigating the Earth. It's

(55:29):
the same type of pioneers finding the Americas for the
first time from a sort of European mindset. We'll get
onto place like Mars or something like that, settle, have
a settlement, and begin to identify different aspects of that planet,

(55:52):
kind of identify the different resources that are there. But
when you identify a resource, that resource came from something.
So if you can trace that back, you can identify if, oh,
is there something more out there? Does this planet have
something more somewhere. It's not an outlandish thing, that's not
a conspiracy, that's just a fact. We know a lot

(56:15):
about our own cultures based off of the resources that
are under the ground at this time through the passage
of time, so we understand a lot, you know, that's archaeology,
one on one understanding culture through what they left behind.
So something was left behind. It could be found that
can be then reverse engineered maybe and then understand, Oh

(56:37):
where did this come from? Oh is there something on
here that understanding everything about the planet is not natural
to this planet. Where did that come from? Let's identify
where that could have come from. Another big thing is
talked about the James Webb telescope. That was huge to
be able to see billions of light years away and

(56:58):
to understand it. If you're looking billions of light years away,
you are looking back in time billions of years, and
so you're seeing a planet from eight billion years ago.
Oh well, the human population is only millions of years old.
You know, human sentient beings are only a few million

(57:20):
years old. The language talking back and forth is a
very recent development on Earth. Now we're seeing these planets
at eight billion years ago. What sort of developments have
happened in the eight billion years since that we we
cannot see now because it's too far away that we
don't understand. And so that's why I say light years

(57:41):
difference in what we know and what is actually there.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Excellent thought to leave us on, Kerwin.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
This was awesome. We're gonna have to talk more in
the future. Before you head out, let the audience know
how they can find out more about you, your services,
and anything else you got going on.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yes, we're oquan analytics on on Instagram. That's a U
C O I N A N A L y T
I c s. We're we're definitely geopolitical forward, everything from
a logical base. We also do the podcast this week
explain where we tackle everything that's going on in the
week of geopolitics through an intelligence base. I think your

(58:24):
your audience would fit right in there because we don't
take everything and just blow it, blow it off and
say that didn't happen, that doesn't exist. Everything that's put
out we will tackle it, we will talk about it.
If it seems far an outlandish to other people, we're
going to discuss it, and we're going to try to
come to either a logical factual sense of what happened

(58:47):
or get as close to it as we can.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Excellent Carolin, Thank you again. Like I said, we'll talk
again in the future for sure, And until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. Oh see y'all.
Then today I want to welcome back to the show

(59:14):
Robert Khalil. He is host of The Typical Skeptic podcast,
which is a non biased exploration of ufology, secret space,
hidden history, conspiracy, and the nature of reality. Robert, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
How you doing, Hey, Chris, Good to see you, man.
I'm so happy to be back. I love these shows
we do together, and I'm really excited to get into
you know whatever we're going to get talk about.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Oh yes, Man, always a fun discussion. Today is another
delicious conspiracy buffet, and I guarantee, in a world of rancid,
dirty conspiracies, that this buffet is prepared with many years
of research, experience, common sense, and without being tainted by

(01:00:01):
the glamorous world of doom and gloom, sensationalism and your
everyday bullshit. At least we will tell you straight up
we know nothing here. We're not here to provide the answers,
but maybe serve up some information that might lead you
to question everything. Now, before we dig into this delicious information, Robert,

(01:00:23):
remind the audience all about yourself and your show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I'm the Typical Skeptic podcast everywhere, mostly on YouTube and Rumble,
and then I have a small presence on Rockman too,
but mostly I post on YouTube and Rumble, and then
I'm trying to build up my audio presence as well,
because for some reason, audio is a lot better, you know,
monetization wise, it seems like. So I'm really trying to
hammer the audio that's on Spreaker, like I know you're

(01:00:49):
on Spreaker as well, and then I'm also on like
Spotify and Apple Podcasts and all that. So I'm really
trying to drive home the audio for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah, that's what That's exactly what we ended up doing,
especially when we saw the censorship coming on YouTube. We're
not on YouTube anymore. I made a new channel that
has a small following that we put clips on, but
we keep it as safe as possible. But we saw
the writing on the wall, so we started just pushing
everybody to the audio podcast. So far, it hasn't been

(01:01:20):
messed with, I believe to a scale that the video
platforms have been, and I'm hopeful that it won't be.
But we'll see. But how is YouTube treating you? Are
still monetized on the everything? Still are you getting dinged?

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Now? I mean it's it's I've always call it, I'm
walking the YouTube type rope. Like I post some shows
that I feel. If I get a feeling from them,
I'll take them down right away and I'll post them
on Rumble. It's kind of weird, like because I'm not
even sure what exactly they're looking for. Oh, I know
that it's something goes like real deep into conspiracy or

(01:01:54):
if it's real like bad or something like not bad
like we would think. But I'm trying to think than
the eyes of how YouTube would think that I'll I'll
automatically take it down and then I'll post it on Rumble.
You know, I'm trying to. Like I said, it's like
walking a tightrope and and you don't you can't see
what's ahead of you. You just kind of have to
guess at what they're gonna try to strike and what

(01:02:15):
they're not, you know. And so far it's been good,
but I mean, you never know. I could be taken
down tomorrow, you know. I know, I know what I'm
dealing with, you know what I mean, it's a it's
a monster, you know, it's I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Don't know what's happened is it seems like they've started
to allow certain types of conspiratorial content more on YouTube,
and they're still censoring the quote unquote medical misinformation and
things about COVID. Probably political things are getting censored heavily

(01:02:49):
right now, but there are certain woo woo and conspiratorial
topics that are being allowed more than others, I believe
because it's the landscape now. Everything has been flooded with
so much bogus information and people presenting the quote unquote
conspiracies that are coming out new every day have become

(01:03:14):
very troublesome, to say the least. We're in a land
of doom and gloom, scrolling to the max. This is
what attracts attention, This is what gets people popular. This
is where people are going to find a lot of
the information is the darkest and doomiest content creators putting

(01:03:34):
out information that they went and watched someone else's video
and repeated. And this is an unfortunate trend that we're
seeing right now in this landscape. A lot there's people
that aren't doing their due diligence and their research. They're
just bouncing off of other people's ideas and research, and
it's becoming this horrible game of telephone. In a very

(01:03:57):
short amount of time, all they need is one or
two voices that have a lot of popularity that carry
a lot of weight, and then the rest of the
quote unquote community does the rest. It spreads like wildfire,
and before you know it, there's so much badation being
spread in this community that it just becomes irrelevant and

(01:04:19):
the battles won on their side. So we're in a
very dangerous time when it comes to information and how
it's being presented. And it's unfortunate that people are focusing
on such of the dark side of things right now
and still being drug into material aspects that will never
matter in their lives, like politics. How do you feel

(01:04:42):
about everything?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Unfailing? No, No, I feel the same way, And I
feel like what I'm seeing in like the like if
you want to call it like the UFO or star
Seed or you know whatever, spirituality. Uh, you know, it's
I guess that message with aspiracy community, but you know,
like the star c UFO commit it seems like they
pick out certain people that they want to have a voice,

(01:05:03):
and the know, let those people get to like one
hundred thousand subscribers and then next thing you know, these
people are saying they're their channel and stuff from the
Galactic Federation, and it's like and then people like like
glean onto that stuff and they believe it. And meanwhile
there's like channels like Journey to Truth just got taken
down off YouTube. They no longer have a YouTube. I
can tell her he's like a channel er. He got

(01:05:25):
taken down off YouTube, you know. So it's like it's
it's really it's really it's you know, it's really strange,
like it's uh, I don't know, I don't know how
to battle it or what, you know. I try to
put out people who have good information, like people like
Laura Eisenhower, Tony rod Riggs, like you know, but you know,
I also get people sometimes who are like they're kind

(01:05:47):
of like, you know, it's like iffy. But it's like
it's hard to tell because I don't vet everybody that
put on my show. But I try to do my
due diligence, you know what I mean. But but one
one person I noticed that this real good ist, Brider,
I like writers information. He seems to do a lot
of good research.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Oh yeah, writer's great. He's very skeptical when it comes
to a lot of this information, which keeps him very grounded.
I don't agree with a lot of the directions that
he is headed recently, but I do think that he
is overall bringing a lot of information to light that
needs to be brought to light. And when it comes
to people in this secret space community, I tend to

(01:06:27):
shy away from this community just because of the amount
of people who have infiltrated it for their own monetary gain,
for their own fame, to get notoriety, whatever reasons. And
I don't normally call out anyone in these realms, but

(01:06:48):
I just saw a post on Facebook the other day
that was so blatantly faked and obvious, and it was
from one of these individuals. I'll say it. Have you
had Ishmael Perez on your show?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I have a story about that. I did have him
on back in the day, but that was when I
was interviewing like the Alena Dunand people. Again, they got mad,
and I I so like that was a point. I
just I stopped interviewing both of them. I stopped having
Alana Danana on my show. I stopped having Ishmael Press
on my show because like they were fighting each other
and I was like, neither of you can prove what

(01:07:25):
you're saying. And then what I was thinking was I
was thinking like that the ousts them, and then there's
like the David Wilcox and the forty Goods too. Yeah,
I mean they didn't do anybody favors for like the SS.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Well, there's some there's some very interesting information coming out
on that side as well about the Wilcox Crew and
some of the things that he was involved with. But
with Ishmael, I never trusted the guy. I always thought
that the information he was regurgitating was always has always
been out there. He just adds little details to try

(01:07:59):
and personalize it. But what I saw the other day
pushed me over the edge. He put a post on Facebook.
I forgot what country he's in, but it's a picture
out of a obviously out of a hotel window, and
he's framing it as UFOs in the skies and they're
very uniform aligned. And then they have this other picture
with this huge, massive, I mean, the whole city would

(01:08:21):
have been freaking out if it was real, like it
would have been all over the news. It was this
massive like saucer thing out of the window. But to
the trained eye, when you really look at it, you
can see that it's just reflections of the inner lights
of whatever hotel he's at. That he is saying is UFOs,
and it's so obvious. The more you look at it,

(01:08:42):
it becomes more and more obvious. He is trying to
tell us that the reflection of the lights behind him
in a hotel that he is at is an invasion
of UFOs coming in. And he had I don't know
how many thousands of likes and common It's like, oh
my god, thank you for this information. This is amazing.

(01:09:03):
They're coming so many people buying into it. They had
a few like me that are like, hey, guys, look,
this is a reflection of the lights in It's obvious.
You can see where the light is shining off of
the window. You can see that it's obviously a light
fixture and not a UFO. And these people are thousands

(01:09:25):
and thousands of people are buying into it, and I
just had to comment. I'm like, please just realize this
is a fraud. This guy is trying to feed you
fake information. All you have to do is study the
photo for five minutes objectively and you will see that
it is indeed just a reflection. So this and this

(01:09:49):
guy's still going on podcast and doing our long YouTube
videos about the Galactic Federation and secret space and all
these things he's involved in. Well, if he will intentionally
go to the links of faking UFOs in the sky
by framing it that these lights behind me are freaking UFOs.

(01:10:10):
If he goes to that links to do that, how
much else is this guy lying about and just feeding
a horrible bad information out because it gets him popularity,
it gets him notoriety, it gets him on podcasts, It
probably gets him paid for speaking at conferences and YouTube
monetization and everything else that's happening. These are the most

(01:10:32):
dangerous people in this community, man, These people that are
leading people to believe things because it benefits them and
no one else, no one else, Even though can I say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Something on peoples people blamb onto that stuff. They get
so defensive about it. If you try to tell them
it's wrong, they'll be like fuck, you know. And I'm like, oh, dude,
like you don't understand this is not real. And I
trust you more than I trust him, like I trust
your judgment, you know. And because I don't even know him,
to be honest, i'd like I had him on like
a year and a half ago or something, and I don't.

(01:11:06):
I just didn't really, you know, I didn't. I didn't.
I don't know. You know, it's something when they didn't
like quite better with me with one with him, so
I but yeah, it's like, I don't understand why people
glam onto this stuff and then they they fight for
it so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
I guess think one well, because there's a lot of
good information in it, because people are repeating and regurgitating
information that possibly has a level of truth to it.
And there are individuals that I do believe have genuine
experiences in these realms. And I'll go a little further
into my current understanding of what could be happening with

(01:11:41):
individuals that are having genuine experiences in the secret space realms,
mainly where they believe they are taken to different locations,
maybe off planet, and they have missions and tasks to
do for these secret clandestine military groups. Now, this is
very true to some of these people. I can tell
by talking to them that a lot of these people

(01:12:03):
really believe their stories. They're not in it just to
get some kind of notoriety, and they've had traumatic things
happen to them. Tony Rodriguez, I truly believe he's had
some very traumatic things happened to him he's had some
unexplainable things. To what degree is true, I could never
tell you, but I will tell you this that based

(01:12:24):
on the collective stories that I've heard from this and
insights from outsiders like writer and others who have done
some outside research into this. On top of that, my
own experiences with plant medicines, meditations, dream states, and contact
and different profound experiences that seemingly take place in other realms,

(01:12:50):
other layers of perception or awareness, And having experienced these
myself myself, I know how profound they can be. I
know how real they can be when you're in that event,
when you're in the vision, when you're in a plant
medicine state, when you're in a dream, probably when you're
in an abduction situation or a contact situation, it will

(01:13:13):
your entire reality becomes all encompassing with what this experience is,
and it is more real than real life. And I
think to a degree, our consciousness is interacting with something
else that we can't normally perceive during these situations. And
this is just my current theory on this, and it'll

(01:13:34):
it can change tomorrow based on new information, But I
believe what a lot of people are experiencing with this
are different astral realities. Most of these folks say that
a lot of these experience happen in dream states, or
they will go to bed and have missing time. I

(01:13:54):
believe that when a lot most of us, probably all
of us, go to sleep, we are entering different states
of awareness, even different states, different astral states, different dimensions,
if you will. Our consciousness is traveling, it's interacting, it's working,
And I think these people have a very profound ability
to be aware of these different realities as their consciousness

(01:14:18):
is traversing them, and they may have a level of
awareness to where it becomes that they can experience these
other realities in a way that we experience this material reality.
That they're indeed in a different realm and they're interacting

(01:14:38):
with different intelligences. But maybe not, maybe not because of them.
Oh that's okay, Just let me finish. Maybe not because
of the military. Maybe it has nothing to do with
the military. Maybe it is their own soul mission, maybe
it's their conscious mission and military entities somehow get involved.
Or if it is the military that brings in a
whole different level of deay, there, so great, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Yeah, I feel like something's definitely going on with like
the black Ops programs like reverse engineered UFOs, and then
like it seems like there was a lot of alien
abductions over time, like and and and and and a
lot of people reported them to be like negative, you
know what I mean, So it makes me think something
was going on and then and also with the Secret
Space people too. But but what I was going to

(01:15:23):
ask you was, do you feel like this is all
like a like a like a like an actual reality,
because I think it is really to a certain degree,
Like because I feel like when I when I go
to I think I've told you about this. When I
have dreams, like I'll dream about like that I'm I'm
living in a whole different place and I'm experiencing a
whole other world, and like I think I told you,
Like I'll have dreams like where I'm like working on

(01:15:44):
a farm and it'll be like for like honestly like
awake a week, you know what I mean. Like I'll
be doing like work on this farm and I'm like
I make building barns and milking college. Meanwhile in my
life now, I'm like a city slick grow you know,
Like it's in the suburbs, you know what I mean.
I live basically in the city my whole life. I've
never been on a farm or anything like that. And
then I'll have these other dream skips where I'm like

(01:16:05):
a criminal and I'm like being chased by someone, and
it all seems so real. So it makes me think,
do you think these are like actual other realities that
our consciousness occupies. And then if it is, what is
this reality? Because sometimes people say that this reality is
like more of a dream than what our dream world is.
I'm sure you've heard people say that, what do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Of you know, I'm with that one hundred percent. I
don't think this is our real reality. I think that
whatever's outside of our perception is our home, is the afterlife,
is what we would consider different dimensions and realities. What
we're experiencing now is for us to have experience, to
experience duality, to learn from the light and dark polarities

(01:16:50):
that exist in this density. I believe it was created
for us to experience that the good, the bad, and
the ugly is all part of this experience. But the
real existence that we have, our natural state, I believe,
is an astral form outside of this physical reality, and

(01:17:12):
when people are having these profound experiences where they're being
taken or they are living lives in different realities, I
think that they are. They really are experiencing these different
astral realms that probably surround us at all times. Now
getting to the military my lab side of this, I
one hundred percent believe this happens too. I think people

(01:17:34):
are being targeted by different clandestine groups. And I've kind
of had a checklist formed over the years from people's
experiences in these realms. They all seem to have very
early paranormal experiences in their lives from a very young age,

(01:17:54):
poltergeist apparitions, things moving around, also very powerful psychic consciousness abilities,
intuitive abilities. These people usually have military families or family
members that are high level in the military. Later on,
a lot of these people are offered, strangely enough, jobs

(01:18:16):
in high level positions in either aerospace companies or branches
of the military or three letter agencies. Somehow. That's not
across the board, but some of these people are that
I've spoken to. Some of them even join the military
for a period of time, have some level of involvement
with that, and then once they hit their teenage years,

(01:18:39):
later in life, they start to be taken, they start
to even younger, they remember younger memories where they're taken
to these like classrooms, these etheric classrooms where they're being
taught things. Some of them are being tortured and raped
and being used for DNA experiments. There's all a spectrum
of horrible to not so horrible things that are occurring

(01:19:04):
with these military types of inductions and interactions. But the
main theme is the folks can never truly remember what happened.
It's very dream like and there are often extraterrestrial beings
involved with some of these abductions and they seem to
be ongoing. So that's a very interesting aspect to all

(01:19:25):
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Yeah, I don't know what it is, crazy right? I
like one of the researchers I really like is James Bartley.
He seems he's pretty grounded, you know, and he talks
a lot about reptilians, but he brings it in a
way like where he ties it into the military and
stuff like that. You know. Eve Lorgan I think is
a good one too. I like having them on, But

(01:19:49):
where where was I go with this? It seems like, Yeah,
I don't know what people are accessing. You know, I wish,
I wish it's not like we're given like a blueprint
of this reality. So it's like we have to try
to figure all this stuff out. And I guess it's
what's so hard is like you know, like none of
us have proof, you know what I mean, Like we're
very rare people. Some people have proof, right, but like

(01:20:09):
it's very rare, Like they don't let you come back
from these astrails streams, and like they don't write you
bring proof, and if you get abducted, you're never allowed
to have proof, if you know what I mean. So
it's so hard, and I think that's what happens in
our community is like everybody's trying to prove that they're
right about something and then we and we not ays
have proofs that everybody ends up arguing with each other.
And I'm like, we were arguing is the wrong thing?

(01:20:32):
Like it's not getting us anywhere. You know, the people
who control us are aren't arguing. You know, they're very
uniform in the way that they control us and the
way that they make us are us to perceive our reality.
So you know, if we could be a little bit
more organized and we put in fight with each other.
Maybe we could present our ideas kind of like how

(01:20:53):
you and I are now. Maybe we could you know,
find out more about what's going on with this reality.
You know, you know, you know what I mean, like you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
That's all it is. If we could just come together
and share ideas without being ready to dismiss at at
any given moment, any other person's operative ideas. If we
could just compare notes, we could get so much further
because there is a level of truth in all of

(01:21:26):
these theories, and they all connect together very profoundly. I believe,
from extraterrestrial experiences to spiritual angelic these military abductions and
everything that's unfolding in our reality has this. It's all interconnected.

(01:21:46):
It's all part of this synchronistic puzzle that we're in.
I believe, and a lot of more spiritual or religious
people believe that we're it's supposed to remain a mystery
and we're never supposed to to figure out these things,
are supposed to shy away from it and just be timid,
little monkey humans that go about our lives. But I

(01:22:07):
don't think that's what we're here for. I think we're
more like cosmic detectives that are coming out to try
and figure out why we're here, what we're doing here.
To the best degree, we can make this place a
paradise on Earth, because I believe that it has the
possibility to be. It is just right now under the
control of dark energies and dark forces. Whether those energies

(01:22:32):
are there for us to destroy them or they're there
for us to attempt to keep us here. Either way,
there is this force of ultimate light, where you want
to call it god source that I believe is guiding
each and every one of us to wake the hell
up right now and find our purpose and find our path.

(01:22:55):
What we're seeing on the other side, on the dark
side is failure after failure. We're seeing the evidence of
corruption coming out, pedophilia, dark ritualistic activities amongst world leaders
and celebrities. Everything is coming out right now, and it's
to our benefit. All these things are happening for a reason,

(01:23:18):
because it's the I think it's the time for all
the darkness to die out and the light to start
being the dominant force in this reality.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
What do you think I think so? I think so.
One thing I wanted to ask you about when you
were kind of talking about like our reality and like
the whole reincarnation thing. Like I've had a couple of
people on about this. I'm sure you have two about
the soul trap theory, like and you know what's weird
is like that whole theory kind of started. I feel

(01:23:48):
like it has roots back to the Art Bell Show
because John Leer and Whitley Striver used to come on
Art Bell and they would talk about that the light
was a trick and that you know, they would say
not to go to the light. And and now and
more and more researchers you have, like Isabella Green and
I know Mark from Forever Conscious Research talks about it,
and there's there's a lot of other people that talk

(01:24:11):
about this soul trap that like we're here, that we're
trapped on like a prison planet, and that we're being
recycled and used as batteries and that it's like a
never ending thing, and and everybody seems to have like
a different idea as to how to get out or
people think some people think we're doomed, but like do
you have a do you have an idea? Do you
have a theory on the whole soul trap thing? And

(01:24:32):
do you think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Like a Do I have to go the positive route
on this? Just because of where I'm at in my life.
I used to heavily consider the soul trap, that we're
being recycled into this arconic loose form that negative entities
control the material reality and just feed off of and
that's how there is no I don't think so after

(01:24:53):
especially after the experiences I've had recently in my life
that were shown me that this reality is not a
soul trap loose form, that isn't an experiential realm for
us to learn and grow. And from what I've learned
through those experiences is that all is from source. That

(01:25:13):
source created everything, even the bad, even the good, and
it's all for us to learn and grow from. And
that reincarnation is definitely a thing. And I've seen my
past lives. I've seen how many thousands of times and
possibilities that I've been here trying to figure things out.
But what I also saw this time is the answer

(01:25:33):
to getting home, and that is your path. And my
path was through Jesus. My path is through God and
that was my ultimate birthright. But there's many paths is
you can get there through Booty, you can get there
through Krishna, you can get there through any of these.
But you have to have an ultimate belief in something
that is the afterlife. And if you don't have that,

(01:25:56):
then for me, I saw I didn't have that, and
I kept coming back looking for it, and I never
was able to find the answer for so long until
now I've found it. I found that God is the Father.
This is my home and I get to go home
now as long as I do this mission, stick with
my path and don't divert and don't lose this ultimate belief,

(01:26:18):
because this belief is the key to getting back home.
So being recycled here is all about learning what's your
path home. And hell doesn't exist, but it exists if
you make it. This realm can be hell. This realm
is hell if that's what you make it. If you
live your life negatively, that is the worst that it

(01:26:39):
will ever get for you. But it's all about your perception.
If you start to transmute things and live your life
in a positive way, this realm can be a paradise.
And I think that's what the idea is for all
of us to come to that realization. Stop participating with
the negative polarities turn towards the light, and even the

(01:27:00):
darkest of the lizard people have this ability to transmute
and do this. That's why I don't think that destroying
them all and killing all the pedophiles and evil people
around the world is the answer. I think that everyone
has the ability or should have the option to go home.
And yes, everyone should face consequences for all the evil

(01:27:25):
actions that they did, and they will. But what we're
experiencing now I've seen is an opportunity for the collective
to go home, at least those that are on the
right side, that are on the light side, that aren't
on the dark side, and even the scaly lizard people

(01:27:46):
have an opportunity if they change their ways and completely repent.
And I've seen all this through multiple visions, and I
truly believe that that this is not a soul trap.
This is our experiential realm, and it can be hell
on Earth if we make it that, but it can
also be a wonderful thing. But we have an option

(01:28:09):
to go home at any time, in all times, and
we have the option to come back and help others
go home at any time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I noticed you mentioned Jesus like what what what what
made you like starting or did you or do you
just like start embracing Jesus. I mean, I believe he
is a real person. I just have like I'm conflicted
about it, but I'd love to hear like when you've
thought about it, because I really like respect your opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Yeah, it's a long story, man, it's a if you.
If if the audience wants to hear the full complete story,
go listen to episode one of it happened May the fourth.
But I'll break it down very briefly and quickly for you.
I grew up in a very Catholic Christian dogmatic home. Uh.
I went to Catholic school. I was always terrified by

(01:28:52):
the dogma and the possibility of going to Hell because
I didn't follow a certain doctrine. I would read the
Bible back and forth in class because I didn't pay
attention to anything else and I was bored, so I'd
decided to read the Bible. The Old Testament was really
terrifying for me, and I'd read it over and over
just to try and get a sense of how this

(01:29:15):
can be a loving God that there is portrayed in
this And then we get to the New Testament. When
Jesus came in line. I really was drawn to this.
I was drawn to the Jesus character and what it
stood for and what it meant, and the Book of
Revelations as well, and the possibilities with this. So that
always stuck with me. I ended up falling out of

(01:29:36):
any spiritual or religious beliefs for the longest time and
fell into the matrix, into sleeping land for a very
long time because that dogma really terrified me and I
did want to have anything to do with it. Well,
we fast forward to my recent experiences, starting with meditation,
contacting my guides, being led to start doing the show,

(01:29:58):
having all these relations, realizations that everything in my life
has led to these moments. Well, what happened May the
fourth is I had a really conscious near death experience
where I truly thought I was dead and I was
led to I was led to God. It was a

(01:30:24):
very profound experience. Was I thought I was really thought
I had died. I was walking through my neighborhood and
everything was demonic around me. Like I said, go back
and listen to the full story to get a full
idea of this. But it was the most profound experience
I had in my life, and I was going through

(01:30:45):
a life review. I was asking I said, you know,
I guess that i'd never found God, so that's why
I'm not in heaven right now. So I started praying
to Jesus. I laid down in the middle of the
street and surrendered. And when I closed my eyes, all
I saw with these demons all around me, and I
heard this voice say, look, it's all about your perspective

(01:31:07):
even in the afterlife. And as I thought about that,
I looked at the stars and they were beautiful, and
I'm like, man, this can't be hell, because you know,
these stars are so beautiful. And I heard this voice say,
look for the light, but with your eyes closed. And
I got up and I'm looking around and I still
see these demon faces around. But I turn in a

(01:31:28):
certain direction. I see this bright light in the distance
as my eyes are closed, and I'm like, I guess
I gotta walk towards that light. And I start walking
in that direction and it brings me directly to a
house that had this massive welcome sign and it was
lit up more than any other houses in the neighborhood.
And I'm thinking, all right, I'm dead. This house is

(01:31:51):
either the doorway to heaven or I'm gonna knock on
this door and they're gonna bring me to Hell, the
authorities in Hell, and I'll talk to the devil about everything.
I'm gonna give him a peace of my mind. Either way,
I'm ready for it. So I decided to go knock
on this ring, this doorbell, and it ended up being

(01:32:12):
a preacher. And I didn't know this at the time,
and he asked to pray with me, and I told
him I think I'm dead. He's like, no, you're You're here,
shake my hand. You're not dead. And I'm like, well,
I must be in a coma or something. He's like, well,
why don't you just pray with me? And I didn't
know he was a preacher at the time. So I
start praying and I just start crying, man, and I
start feeling all these incredible feelings, and he ends up

(01:32:36):
taking me home and like I wasn't dead. I ended
up when I realized when I got home, I'm not dead.
Oh my God, And that changed everything in my life.
And I just had this realization that God led me,
that was God is real. He led me there. So
if that's real. What else is? And I spent the
next few days I met I met with this preacher

(01:32:57):
and I had two hour long conversations about every thing,
and I came to realize that, yeah, he saved me,
but I have some messages for the for the Christian
community that they need to hear. And that's basically the
dogma needs to go. The organization and the level that

(01:33:21):
of control that the church has needs to go. The
idea that we're going to hell when we die needs
to go. The idea that there's no reincarnation needs to go.
The ideas that keep a lot of Christian folks in
a box and experiencing the beauty of life, they really

(01:33:44):
have no place here because it's based on an old
control system, it's based on evil. And I just started
to get all these downloads and realizations of why I've
been doing this the whole time, why I've been doing
this show the messages that I'm supposed to be bringing
to people, and it has to what's that? And it

(01:34:04):
has to include now my knowing, my knowing that there
is a God and I was led to God, and
it doesn't have to be this whole dogmatic Hallelujah, Praise Jesus.
Ridiculous idea of what a connection to God is. A
connection to God is what we all have and we
don't realize it. That voice in all of our heads

(01:34:27):
saying don't touch that hot thing, be careful, that's God
talking to us at all times. We all have this connection,
and we try to make it so dogmatic and mysterious
and woo woo that people are afraid of it. But
there's nothing to be afraid of. It's all love. It
is pure love, and anything beyond that is what we
need to try and avoid at all costs and come

(01:34:50):
closer to that ultimate love. And like I said, if
you want to understand more about the series of events
that led to that, go listen to it happened the
fourth episode one. But I have more peace in my
life now than I ever had.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
That's amazing. That's an amazing story. That's an amazing experience
that you were able to have. Like one thing I
remember Gerald used to say that he thought that Jesus
was thought. You know that this being like stuck around
over time to like help humankind, you know, in different incarnation.
I can get down with that, man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I think that you know, this Christ consciousness appeared in
different beings throughout time. And the best part about all
of this. You've talked to Frankie Fearless, right, So I
like it how he has to say about this part,
and I say it all the time. People probably get
tired of me saying this, but he's like when j
C came down the first time, he tried to get

(01:35:47):
people to understand these concepts and he got killed for it.
But guess what, this time, God's gonna send down like
a million j C's and there ain't gonna be no
way to stop all of us because we're all all
going to have this Christ consciousness and we're all going
to bring that awareness and it will be impossible for
failure this time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Yeah, do you think that's what's happening with like the
spiritual awakening? Kinda like I do. Wow, this is an
amazing story. So you were you were you on like
a psychedelic.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
When this happened, and the psychedelic journeys were just a
part of everything I had been doing. I had started
being able to lucid dreaming, My meditations were going off
the charts. I'd be having these day visions. I no
longer do psychedelics anymore. That was the last experience I've
had besides my wedding, where we each had a little

(01:36:46):
bit of sacremonial tea with the whole wedding party, which
was a wonderful time. But I know I'm gonna be
growing mushrooms for other people to have, but I don't
need them anymore. Because my connection was solidified through this event.
I can now pull the information I need directly through
a conversation with Source, and I'm so very grateful for that.

(01:37:09):
And that's not to say occasionally I might not go
visit with a little bit of psilocybin journey in the future.
But as for this seeking that I was doing, there's
no longer any need for I've gotten the answers that
I need for now. There's always more answers. I'm never
gonna know at all. It's impossible for anyone to but

(01:37:30):
for this mission for where I'm going, I've got my
blueprint and I no longer need to go so deep
into these other realms to find the answers. I've found
what I've ultimately the main tool that I need to
navigate the rest of this physical reality and stick with
my mission and it's just two pieces of information. It's

(01:37:52):
just stick with your information. You're a messenger. You need
to bring awareness of all the things that I talk
about every day, but that God is love. Love is
the answer, and that is what we all need to
be heading towards, and that we need to stop focusing
on all the negative things that are trying to distract

(01:38:15):
us in this world. And there's nothing to fear. There
is no hell. We create our own hell, and we
stop giving. If we stop giving it power, there's nothing
left to fuel that misery, and we can start experiencing
things much differently in this reality. And I think that's
what this whole time period is about. We're gonna go

(01:38:37):
through some growing pains, it's gonna be tough, but the
main message is to stay strong and have no fear,
because this is the idea behind it all. You think
this COVID thing happened because the elites and globalists wanted
it to, No, sir, this was something much larger than
some evil people trying to take control of the world.

(01:38:57):
This was a greater force that is trying to end
the world as we knew it. Not the entire world,
but the darkness to to destroy the darkness in this
world that has been feeding us and controlling us and
keeping us trapped within ourselves is dying right now, and
it's putting up a fight because it doesn't want to die.

(01:39:20):
And there's this wonderful there's this wonderful woman I'm having
coming on my show. I know her first name is Ola,
and forgive me, I forgot her last name. But yes, yes,
she has.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
This I've had on my showing three times.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Yes, her idea of what's happening right now, the the apocalypse,
the end of the old gods is exactly how I
see it. These old intelligences that controlled our material way
of thinking, that taught us how to live in this
material world, gave us metallurgy, mathematics, the Nephelim, the fallen angels,
those guys are going away now because we have no

(01:39:55):
We no longer have need for these material things. Where
we're going in this incarnation, I think it's all going
to fall away, This new earthing that a lot of
these spiritual people talk about man for the longest time,
I'm like, y'all are crazy. This is some woo woo bs.
But I see it now. I see the possibility of
us creating this utopian reality just because the old ways

(01:40:19):
are indeed dying.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
I agree. I agree one hundred percent. What I was
going to say, Where was I going with that? I
had a brain car, Oh did you speaking of the
old gods? Did you see Billy Carson was.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
On Dada and Billy's coming on my show in a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
That's amazing. And what that makes me think is that
like people are starting to take things that like, not
maybe me and you, but like things in our community
are being said more seriously, you know, And that's that
means a lot because if Rogan has a here open
to it. I used to think that Rogan might have
been like like an alter agent or something like that.
But I think he has good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
I think he plays the game well man, I don't. Yeah,
I think he does have He's really trying to get
some of this alternative information out there in the only
way that he can't. He's good. He's got to playball
some ways. But until I get further information, I do
dig what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. He I mean he's bringing
a lot of good UFO people on and stuff like that,
and it seems like he's generally interested in the phenomena
like we are, you know, and I guess he's had
an interest in it for a long time, you know.
So it's like did you watch did you happen to
catch Terrence Howard on there too? That was like I'm done,
And that was deep. That was past me, Like I'll admit,

(01:41:37):
like I wasn't aware. But like one thing that he
mentioned was that like that we're in like a Goldilocks
zone where there's life. It seems like like like where
a certain part of the universe creates it with the
sun creates a Goldilalk zone where it enables life to
be born or something like that. I thought that was interesting.
So that makes me think what was their life in
other parts of the world or you know, other parts

(01:41:59):
of the universe. Maybe that someplaces that don't need sun,
or you know, I wonder how other beings function on
other planets.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Well, this is the thing I struggle with, man, is
the physical life existing beyond Earth on other planets? So
far we have very little evidence of this. And how
can you trust anything that NASA says based on the
previous deception that we know about. How can you trust
anything our government is coming out with about UFOs. I

(01:42:27):
trust people's experiences, people's genuine experience. That's why I love
having experiencers abductees on. And it's half and half, Like
half will swear that this is a very physical thing.
These beings are real. They're coming here, and I feel
them touch me and stick things in my butter, whatever
they're doing. It's very fit. It's a very physical thing.

(01:42:49):
And then that the other half, No, it's a theory.
It's in our consciousness. We're being taken. And here's where
I'm at with that. I have to lean towards the
etheric because of my experiences. Whenever i have such a
profound experience where I'm interacting with this cosmic deity under
the effects of plant medicine or a deep meditative trance,
and I'm in it, it's more real than this reality.

(01:43:12):
It seems very physical. It seems like I could touch
this thing and I can feel it, and I can
feel everything around me. And when I'm experiencing that, that
is the ultimate reality to me. But when I wake
up or come back from the vision, it seems like
a dream and it seems very unreal and very mystical.
And it's hard even to remember at times, So I

(01:43:34):
wonder if that's what's happening. People in these experience it's
so real and physical, but when they come back it's
more of a dream state. And earlier you were talking
about the evidence physical evidence, Well, we do have implants.
We have the alien implants from folks, and oftentimes it's
very interesting what happens whenever we do surgically remove some

(01:43:56):
of these things. They appear to be just a morphous
pieces of unidentified metal at times, or it will have
identified pieces of metal mixed in with some elements that
may not be so common. But the interesting thing is
it looks like it just melted into something that has
no use or or not no longer tangibly available to

(01:44:22):
get any information from.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
And this, you know, it freaked me out when Darryl
Simms told me, I think it was Daryl Simms. He
said that some of these implants, like when they when
they look at them, they're they're they're they're encased by
a biological cocoon or something. There's like some com biological
agent housing the the implant thing, which I thought was strange.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
This is even more stream house. It seems the observer
effect affects these artifacts and the quote unquote evidence that
we could possibly have. So I've heard of folks that
have X rays or will look at it through some
sort of MRI machinery, sort of medical machinery in a
look a certain way, but when they actually take it out,

(01:45:04):
it turns into something different. Also, when people are having
these etheric experiences and they're having these surgeries done by
extraterrestrials and implants, they will show them the object and
it looks completely different. It's like this transmitter. It's got
all this technology in it, but when it's taken out,
it melts down in this little piece of rock. Well,

(01:45:24):
you think back at you think back at the ancient
tales of the fay and fairy experiences where they'd go
into these realms and be given fairy food and when
it comes out it sticks and dust, or the baby's
taken and when they go to check on their child,
it's just a collection of rocks and sticks, and these
things like transmute into different things, but they are no

(01:45:46):
longer what they originally were in these realms. So could
it be this just profound metaphysical experience where these intelligences
can shape shift and make you see what they want
to see. Or is it that we cannot bring what's
in these realms into this material room because it will

(01:46:09):
not be the same. It's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
One other thing I was going to say that we
have about physical evidence, and again I can't verify this
because it's never happened to me so and I've never
tried it on anybody either, So you know, take this
with a grain of salt. But when I had Darryl
sims on The Alien Hunter, he said that when he
was dealing with abductees, he found something called alien fluorescence.

(01:46:33):
And what it was was he said, when if someone's
touched by the grays within twenty four hours, they will
emit some kind of weird fluorescence on their skin. And
he said the way you find this out is you
run a black lad over their skin. And I was
amazed at this. And then he told me the story
that this woman found out that she had this fluorescence
all over her body, inside her private parts, like it

(01:46:56):
was like you know, and that freaked me out to
know it, and I was like, if that's real, I
don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I can't
say it is because again, it's never happened to me.
I don't have proof of this. It's just something he's
you know, he told me, but he's But what's weird
is he's had like years of like working with abductees,
so obviously I don't think he would. I don't know.

(01:47:17):
It's not like he's trying to sell No, I don't know.
What happens is a.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Lot of these folks get into an obsession point where
it's hard for them to see outside what they've already
focused on. Darryl he believes it's all a very negative,
malevolent experience that's happening, and he's laser focused on that,
so it's probably difficult for him to see any of
the other sides of this. But what's interesting about grays

(01:47:43):
and these physical seeming extraterrestrials, This is where the physical
part could come in for me, is that they are
some kind of biologically engineered creations for to house the
intelligence or conscious of these interdimensional beings. Maybe they're non
corporeal and the only way they can physically interact is

(01:48:05):
if they somehow construct these gray extraterrestrial or other types
of physical extraterrestrial beings. Now how do they do that
if they're non corporeal. Our military they get people in
high levels of our military black projects to develop these
biological entities, and then somehow they are able to house

(01:48:27):
these intelligences like walk ins or possession, if you will.
That's just where I'm at. I don't have any idea,
but it seems feasible that maybe that could be the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
I know, it would be really cool if there was
Realian Nordics and Reptilians, like I don't know if there is,
or I was wondering. I was like, how does a
brain man disply spaceship? You know what I mean? I mean,
if us they're dealing with their mind.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
You know, there's another interesting thing the tall Whites. You
hear about the Tall Whites a lot, right, Neil, also
hear about the ex stra land theory that this planet
could be a lot bigger, and maybe there's just different
species of humanoids beyond what we ice wall or whatever.
Maybe it's all humanoids. It's not you know, extra really

(01:49:12):
extra terrestrials. Just people are civilizations that evolve differently than
us or have always been around, and they come over
to our side every once in a while and we
are not as advanced as them, so they take advantage
of that they use control tactics over us. That's a

(01:49:33):
possibility too. I think that it's very possible that what
we're living on is just a lot bigger than we
could imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Oh there's this dude. His name's he's a flat eartherer,
but he's he shows a lot of what he calls proof.
His name is Italian PNC on I know that's it
saysn't sound like an but on YouTube, and he has
the flat earth maps. He always shows them. He'll show
a flat earth map and suppose these are all territories

(01:50:01):
outside of you know, this ice wall. But what was
weird was Brad Olson was on my show, but I'm
sure your show, but when he should he showed me
pictures of Antarctica and he said there's no ice wall.
But I don't I don't necessarily believe that completely because
I think Antarctica is so huge and Brad only.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Price article Rad saw like a little each like a
millimeter of Antarctica.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Yeah, yeah, So do you think that there's something that
could be there like that? Because I think it's weird
that there's a no flyover, right you can't fly over
it or something like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
That, and that is that is true. It's there's a
certain parts that, uh, we're not allowed to fly over
as far as I know, there's some sort of Atlantic
treaty or something like that. But again, this is one
of those things that unless we have someone that can
physically go there themselves, that is not controlled opposition in

(01:50:58):
any kind of way, we would never We would never know.
But you have to give some credence to the stories
like Admiral Bird's diary. I think that there may be
some levels of truth to this. Whether it was altered
anytime after it was written, I couldn't tell you, but

(01:51:19):
I think that there has to be some level of
truth when it comes to the technology that the Nazis
had access to and were utilizing, whether it was from
extraterrestrials or they just had some brilliant aerospace engineers that

(01:51:39):
were developing this stuff. I leaned towards more it was
probably channeled from other intelligences then that they were able
to reverse engineer and create some of this exotic technology.
Now I can't say for sure that Admiral Bird encountered
aliens or other beings at the entrance of the North Pole,

(01:52:00):
but the possibility that it encountered some sort of exotic
tech that was remnants from the Nazi regime is feasible,
especially when you see the UFO invasion type scenario that
occurred shortly after that over the White House, which is
very interesting. So yeah, right, it's it's all something that

(01:52:25):
it seems like we get bits and pieces of information
that lead us to only have more questions about everything,
and this is constantly occurring through our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Yeah, I know, it's insane. I wonder if we'll ever know,
we'll ever know if there's like what's in the Hall
of Earth, like I'd love them. That's another thing, like,
because what was strange about the Admiral birth thing is
there's the whole Nazi side of the Admiral birth thing.
Then there's another story of Admiral Bird where supposedly he
went the hallow Earth and he encountered some kind of
beings like so I don't know what he was doing, like,

(01:53:00):
but maybe he did all that, Maybe he encountered Nazis
and then he went the whole earth too, or you know,
he was definitely an Antarctica, so who knows, right, But
I mean, I'd love to know if there was a
what's what's in and on Earth? I'm fascinated with it.
I remember there was this guy that came on art
Bell back in the day. His name was Dallas Thompson,
and what he was going to do is he had

(01:53:22):
this like like many helicopter type vehicle and he was
going to use it to fly into the whole Earth.
He was trying to get like sponsorship money on the
Art Bell Show about it never worked out. But because
I tried to fall up to see if he ever
did an excursion to whole Earth and never.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
These things never handed out. Man, there there, Brad's been
trying to organize another expedition. I know other people who
attempt after attempt, tried to go to places like Antarctica
and are never able to make it through different various
red tape reasons or whatever. But I don't know, man,
there's a lot of mysteries that's around that. Now. I

(01:54:00):
want to go back to what we're experiencing now in
this period of time, and depending who you talk to,
this is the worst time period we're in that we're
in the apocalypse and it's all falling apart and everything
is doom and gloom, And I asked the question, is

(01:54:21):
it really Can we look back fifty one hundred two
hundred one thousand years and honestly say that things were
better then? I mean, are we still actively just going
around killing people for their land? And I'm not talking

(01:54:43):
about our military. Of course, our military and our governments
do that. But you're normal, everyday people. We are a
little bit more civilized than that. We are not conquering countries,
we are not torturing people anymore on a regular basis.
We have a greater level of understanding and compassion than

(01:55:08):
we did hundreds of years ago. So there is a
level of humanity that is evolving to a better place. Now.
I'm not gonna say that things are perfect or wonderful,
because we've got a lot of work to do. But
what we're seeing is the darkness coming out, and it's
always been there, we just haven't paid attention to it.

(01:55:28):
We've been happy in our own little matrix boxes that
they provided for us. I look back at the eighties
and nineties and there was really no cares in the
world besides what I was going to be watching on
TV that day, or what I was gonna wear to
work the next day. Really, so you look back and
it was a simpler time. Now we're worried about arcons

(01:55:52):
and the matrix folding in on itself, and World War
IIIE and pandemics and plagues and all these things are manufactured.
They're all created out of the imaginations of the lizard
people to make us think that things are worse than ever.
But if you just step outside, go walk around and

(01:56:15):
talk to your neighbors, go for a hike, none of
that shit exists out there. It's all manufactured to get
us to believe that we are in this apocalyptic state
and the world is ending, and we have to turn
to the globalists and lizard people to save us because
they're the only ones that can do that. We're just

(01:56:36):
mindless monkeys. We can't do anything for ourselves. We have
to rely on them. But in reality, this period of
time is about us coming into our own and cutting
off our reliance to those dark forces that constantly feed
our fear and everything that keeps us where we are

(01:56:59):
right now. So I repeat, this is a very special time.
And the more that we can come out of that
grip of fear and the concern for anything in this
material realm that doesn't serve us, the better things are
gonna get collectively. And it's happening. It may not be
happening at the speed that some of y'all wanted to,

(01:57:20):
but it's happening, and I have hope for it. What
do you think I was gonna say?

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
Do you think there's a place where we can exist
with like technology and embrace technology, but at the same
time be like spiritual.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
And like And we'll think about it. If our friends
were computer programmers that had the knowledge to the an
ability that some of the best mainstream programmers in control
of this technology. Now, if we could get our people
in there to reteach ai, to reprogram all the things

(01:57:56):
that don't serve us, because most of the technology we
interact with now does not serve humanity at all. It
is for the glory and to bring power and wealth
to those that are already in power and wealth, and
keep us stupid as fuck, to keep us confused and

(01:58:16):
buried in information that does not serve us. So if
we could take over technology, imagine what we could do.
We could have those med beds, we could have all
these things, the instantaneous travel, we could have healing modalities.
We could be able to understand aspects of ourselves in

(01:58:37):
the universe that are kept from us through technology right now.
So I do believe that technology is there for the
right side to horn us and we could do amazing
things with it. It's just it's in the in the
hands of some shitty people right now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
I agree. I agree. There's one guy, I'm sure you
kind of had him on your show. I mean his
name's is working with post scalar energy. I think there's
some promise to that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
It seems like, you know, all of this, the quantum realms,
the frequencies, sound healing, sound modalities, all of this is
keys to our future. It's keys to unlocking what these
energies and intelligences and everything that surrounds us that we
can't perceive, I believe is sound, frequency and vibration, and

(01:59:29):
this is the key to zero point energy as well.
And where there's people that are starting to see it, man,
I think it's already out there. That's why we don't
hear as much about people being oft for presenting some
of this information. I mean, Terrence Howard was just on
Rogan talking about this stuff. And I know a lot
of y'all are hating on Terrence for whatever reason. I

(01:59:50):
don't I don't even understand the reasons some of y'all
are given for hating on this man and his information.
But that's okay. We each have our own ideas and
understand But I think that there's something to what he's saying,
and that we each, each and every one of us
have a piece of this cosmic puzzle that we got
to bring to the table. We just got to start

(02:00:11):
presenting it and stop blocking off each other's ideas and understandings,
and just start coming together, like you said earlier.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
Yeah, because I think, like it's, like you said, we're
in a mass awakening. I heard you talk about this,
and I've witnessed it too from my show. Like the
people that are coming on, it's like people are becoming psychic,
people are becoming hearers the veil standing. People are just
experimented with plan medicine. People are, you know, starting to
work outside that's normal twenty four to seven matrix, you know,

(02:00:42):
type of reality. You know, people are having more ET
experiences or you know, interdimensional experience, astro experiences, whatever you
want to call it. People are having UFOs fly above
their how I mean, like it seems like it's all
happening and it seems like it was meant to be
now or something like there's like this is a you said,
a special time on Earth. You know, It's really like

(02:01:04):
it if you look back twenty years it was no
and I were near like this, like got the stuff
that our bell was covering, which is like, I know,
things kind of progress over time, but I still think
there's something more special, Like things have like really ramped
up over the past twenty years. It seems like, you know,
like the paranormal and all that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
I think we are in the apocalypse, just not the
biblical understanding of it. It's just an unveiling of the
realities and everything that lies beyond our perception. Even the
darkest of what we face on a daily basis that

(02:01:44):
we didn't even realize ten years ago is just being
shown to us. It was always there. All this stuff
has always been there. We're just realizing it now. We're
becoming aware of it more and more. And it's like
I said, I think the more darkness we become aware of,
it's going to be difficult for people to navigate through it.

(02:02:06):
But like I said, you just have to have that
faith in that there's something on the other side, there's
something guiding us all to this place where we can
exit the quote unquote matrix, and like Ola says, we
can get rid of those old gods that have us
trapped in these old materialistic ways of thinking. I think

(02:02:29):
it's a new error we're coming into.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
I like that. I like that a lot well, But
real quick, before we go, I was gonna say to
Get did you want to I wanted to ask you
about your wedding. I saw the pictures on Baseball. It
was an amazing day. I saw you were with Brandon
with your beautiful wife, and then you were with Brandon
from Expanding Reality, and I think Stephen from BG casts
and some other friends, can you talk about it? It

(02:02:53):
just seemed like it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
Was really it was. It was. We didn't want to
have in any way your ordnary wedding, so we decided
to go to the top of a mountain in wilderness,
invite some of our closest friends and have a beautiful
ceremony in the river with our feet in the river,
and the wonderful Brandon Thomas officiated. We had Ken Schwartz,

(02:03:18):
CEO of C sixty out there, Steven from BG Cast,
Corey Hughes. Oh, there was a few others that I'm
probably not able to recall right now. But it was
a wonderful experience. All of Jennifer's wonderful friends and family
were there and we ended with a ceremonial plant medicine

(02:03:42):
psilocybin tea experience that about eight people had wonderful realizations
and it was a It was a beautiful experience overall.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
That's awesome. That's really cool. Wow, that's really cool. Now,
I just gotta say, like, how do you make the
psilocybin tea? Like, I gotta try this, Like is it
do you just extract the mushroom from Then.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
I just grind up the mushrooms and a coffee grinder.
Then I put them in a little uh, I don't
know what it's called, these little balls you put your
tea in. I don't know tea balls. Someone's gonna yell
at me. Is it like a tea bag? Yeah, kind of,
but it's a little middle mesh ball that you put
it in. I put up my grind ground up mushrooms
in that and I put the water to boil. After

(02:04:31):
it's boiling. I throw. I use like a half ounce
in like about six cups of water this time, so
it's super potent.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
Up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
Yeah, so I boil, let the water boil, and you
just turn the water off, put a lid on it,
and steep it for about fifteen minutes fifteen minutes or so,
and then add your sugars or flavorings and blast off.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
Oh that's amazing, man. I wish rooms were legal here
in Pennsylvany. There's still there's still. I think it's only
medical use only, so I have got people give me
them illegally or whatever. But I mean I still take
the chance because like it's it's it's I feel like
it should be legal, you know what I mean. It's
it's it should be it should be legal everywhere, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
I think this is another one of those hidden hand things, man.
I think that there's plant medicines out there that are
the cheat codes to the matrix that help you see
through certain things and become aware and heal yourself in
certain ways. And one of these is psilocybin. I believe
that marijuana is another one. It strengthens your connection to source,

(02:05:39):
and these things were placed here for us to discover
and utilize. And because of the special time we're in,
I think that it's being utilized more and it's being
brought to light more into the collective consciousness awareness and
people are starting to utilize it, at least those who
are called to utilize it, and it is helping with
these collective realizations of what's really going on.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I remember every time I've taken psilocybin and
it's made me feel more emotional in a good way
where it's made me more sincere, more caring, more, it
makes me realize more of what I'm doing. It makes
me take a step back and be like, okay, let
me analyze the situation. And you know, I believe they
can be used for like close state like creative endeavors too,

(02:06:24):
you know, where that you can really hone in on
a project, like I've taken them before podcasts, you know,
and like I've been fund not huge doses, more like
microdoses and just just to be more aware and stuff.
And they they're amazing. I feel like they have so
many benefits, you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
Know, man, Yes, And the amount of people who are
not only utilizing things like plant medicines, but meditation and
just having a spiritual awareness overall is an amazing thing
right now, and I'm very encouraged by all of it,
and I think we just got to keep going. I

(02:07:00):
think we're headed in the right direction. We just have
to keep it going, especially with what you and me
are doing people in this space. Bringing information and not
just doom scrolling to the table, I think is a
very important and essential job that we have to do
right now. So Robert, thank you so much. This was awesome.

(02:07:23):
Before we close out, remind everybody how they can find
Typical Skeptic and all your content.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
YouTube all right for right now at YouTube. I don't
know how that one. That's gonna last. Rumble and audio
and a little bit on rock on rocking, but more
Rumble audio, I would say, following me on Rumble on audio.
That's the best place, you know. And thanks Chris. It's
always I love these conversations. They are awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:07:47):
Always a fantastic conversation. We hope that at least one
of you got something out of this. If that's the case,
that is amazing, and we thank you all for listening,
and we will see y'all again tomorrow. You'll have a
wonderful evening.

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