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welcome back to the show La Marzouli. He's the author, lecturer,
and filmmaker. He has penned eight books, including the Nefhlum Trilogy.
He has taken on the Trail of the Nephlim and
created a film series that continues his research with interviews
from people in their specific field of knowledge. Today, we'll

(01:08):
be discussing his new film series, UFO Disclosure, a seventy
year cover up exposed.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
La. Welcome back. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I'm good? Thanks for having me back on. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, it's amazing to have you back on. I can't
wait to get into this new film series you're working on,
UFO Disclosure. You have very similar views to myself when
it comes to this entire modern disclosure movement. First of all,
our government, mainstream media don't have the best track record
of being honest about anything, so I don't think that
this is any different. Now since twenty seventeen, we're gradually

(01:43):
seeing more and more interest from the Pentagon seemingly about UFOs,
and now the global consciousness has been altered whenever it
comes to their perception, everyone's perception of what's going on
with UFOs. And this is mainly due to a lot
of the stuff we're seeing in our mainstream media, social media,
all this stuff, and we also have infiltration from different

(02:05):
interests within the UFO community. So we've got tons of
just misinformation, bogus information, intentional misinformation, Lots to talk about
with this whole UFO thing. Let's start with what brought
you to make this UFO Disclosure series.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, I've been, you know, researching the whole UFO phenomenon
for decades. This is my wheelhouse. I've talked about it
the first, the first book I ever wrote was called Nepholine,
which deals with the whole UFO phenomena. It was a
fictional work. It was published by Zondervin as well as
number two and number three, so we call it the
Nephilene trilogy, but it deals specifically with the whole UFO phenomenon.

(02:44):
It was based on the work of my mentor, doctor
id E. Thomas, and this goes way back in nineteen
ninety so it's probably you know, I've been researching this
with all due respect, longer than you've been alive r
seventy two in December, So.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
The UFO Disclosure series itself was this the catalyst, like
everything that we've been seeing in the mainstream to actually
make this particular one absolutely.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Twenty seventeen is when I fell out of my chair.
Even though the initial show number one was actually released
in twenty sixteen, but I went back and re edited
it last year in twenty twenty one and was released
it for free. So it's you can go to my
YouTube channel La Marzouli, open up any of the textboxes

(03:34):
and there it is right there, so you can watch
both one and two for free. We're working on number three,
of course that will not be for free. Can't keep
giving away the farm as it were. But what happened
the nexus behind it was Tucker Carlson's reveal with David
Commander David Fravor on his nightly show. This goes back

(03:57):
to twenty seventeen when Fraverer is asked Commanda, David favor
is asked by Chuck Ercarlson, in your opinion, what do
you think this tic tac shape object was that you
encountered over the Pacific Ocean which sped away from you,
quote like a bullet from a gun. And Fravor looks
right at the camera and said, whatever this was was
not from this earth. I fell out on my chair

(04:20):
and so I said, you know, we need I need
to re edit this film. It was the first film
that I did independently. There were a lot of mistakes
in it. It was an hour and thirty seven minutes long.
We parsed it down, got rid of a lot of fluff,
a lot of stuff, and just you know, got into
the meat. So it's now about an hour long. That
is a free film. If you're interested in it, you

(04:41):
can you can stream it for free right on YouTube,
or you can go to our U screen which is
LA streaming dot Lamarzoli dot net streaming dot Lamarzouli dot net.
Or you want to buy the dvd, of course, you
can go to the website. A lot of people are
buying the DVDs just because now they've got hard they
can show it whenever they want. It's in their collection.

(05:03):
And I realize, you know, sort of old school, but
you know, when you stream stuff, it's that's it. You know,
it's unless you purchase it forever. But you can only
stream it for so long and then it's gone. So yeah,
I mean, that was the nexus behind the whole thing.
Since then, we've had lots of disclosure happened on Tucker
Cross and as well as other mainstream media outlets. But

(05:26):
you're right, they lie. The mainstream media lies. They do
so habitually. Our government lies, they do so habitually. And
in fact, on one of these one of the shows,
i think it's number two, with Francisco Correra and Preston Data,
it's called UFO posters right behind me UFO disclosure. The

(05:49):
experts way in and both of the we were talking
about Roswell, and all three of us agree. Even though
I'm interviewing the guys at different times that until the
govern You know, the government needs to come clean on
what happened at Roswell. We all know it was not
a weather balloon. Quit lying to us, you know, stop lying,

(06:10):
stop the nonsense. Come clean, face up, you got egg
on your face. You know, we all know what happened
and it wasn't a weather balloon. I have an interesting
email that I came across my desk recently, and I
think it's a man I do not remember because they
got way too many emails. I have not had contact

(06:32):
with this person yet, but this person told me that
their mother worked at right Patterson since nineteen forty three
and she knows all about the aflien bodies that came
from Roswell, and she told her child and said, you know,

(06:53):
you can't say anything, so on dead for three years
and then you can. So they reached out to me
fairly recently, so I'll be using that in some some
way shape, for I can only imagine it. Look, I mean,
they've got to they've got to come clean. And I
get that. Well, we've been lying for so long. What
are we gonna do? The people will never trust us exactly.

(07:15):
We already don't trust you. Trump said it when he
was running for president the first he said that, you know,
the American people don't trust you, and I don't trust you.
We sat down with some goofy talking head you know
that just rates off a tele proctor blah blah blah
blah blah. Yeah, so you know, it's it is what
it is, uh, and until they come clean. Look, we

(07:35):
had in the show, the first show, which which didn't
make it into the second show, but we sat down
with these these pastors who basically spent a number of
years in ministry working with people who were at the
end of their lives. So they would meet up with
these people and they would manage their affairs, sell off

(07:57):
you know, houses, cars, things, whatever, and and and that
way they were able to facilitate end of life closure
to these folks. And so they had this one man
that they interviewed. This is uh Carolyn Raskin, And and
they were with with this gentleman for months and the

(08:18):
last the last month of this man's life, he spilled
the beans about Roswell. He was in the OSS, which
is the precursor to the c i A. He was
flown from I believe it was either either Dallas, Fort
Worth or Austin. I forget which I have to go
back and look look at the film. But no matter.
He was flowing into Roswell make contact with the live

(08:43):
so called idian body that was there. He attempted to
do so, could not make on talk with it. He
had six fingers, very large, He had big black almond eyes.
It had six fingers, not four, which was sort of interesting.
And he says point blank that the body was flown

(09:04):
to and all the records was flown up to right
pat Right Patterson Field, And of course Right Patterson is
named after you know, the Right Brothers. That's why it's
you know, it's like it's it's sacristunt in military parlance.
I mean it's it's it's ground zero, if I could
use that, I mean the Right brothers. We most of

(09:26):
us know the story. But you know that's why we're
flying in airplanes from point A to point B. Now,
the Right Brothers hadn't invent it, that somebody else would have,
but they were the first kindty hawk. That was the first,
the first flight, which is just there's a picture that's
in the Oklahoma City Airport.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Fet Things Project Bluebeam that's been going on in our past.
It seems like we cyclically kind of revisit the UO
phenomenon in the mainstream, but we've had groups also associated
in our past that have learned about doing this very thing,
such as the Collins Elite and certain clandestine groups that

(10:07):
believe that what we're dealing with is something that we
shouldn't then be tampering with and it's way beyond our understanding.
What do you think about those early warnings about this
dabbling with this phenomena?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Well, I completely concur If you watch Taken Spielberg's mini
TV series, which unbelievable. You know, when I saw that,
I just went this guy, you know, they have all
the info and they're they're rolling it out. It's a
fictional TV series, but it's based on everything that I know.

(10:41):
And there's this one scene where the government is is,
you know, researching this stuff up to their eyeballs, and
it goes south on them. The whole thing goes south
on them. And what I mean by that people just
just die. This alien entity, you know, basically kills everybody. Look,

(11:06):
this is an nefarious agenda. I spoke recently at a
UFO conference in Utah, and most of the people that
were there there were experiences. There were people that had
had encounters the penol the other speakers, which I was
sort of taken back. I mean, Jimi Massam was there
and him he's been a great researcher and also a

(11:28):
good friend for years. We've interviewed himI in our own
Watchers series and himI had up to the date UFO
picks which were just incredible, absolutely incredible, and we uh,
I mean I himI came on the record for you know,
one of our shows after I actually interviewed him at

(11:48):
the airport as he was getting ready to take off,
so you know him. He's a good friend. But there
are two schools of thought. There is one that these
are our space brothers who are here to help us,
and the other paradigm, which I tenaciously hold to, is
the fact that they are not our space. They have
in the farious agenda. The breeding program has been going

(12:11):
on for decades, catamutilation for decades, the abduction phenomenon for decades.
People are taken against their will, They are terrified. A
sperm is taken from the men of them is taken
from the women, and hybrids are being created, and we
have reports of people that have seen hybrids. So there,

(12:32):
in my opinion, this is the work of the dragon.
It's been prophesied for thousands of years. Is Shua tells
us to be like the days of Noah when he returns,
which immediately begs the question, well, what differentiates the days
of Noah for many of her time in history? And
of course it is the presence of these angelic watcher

(12:55):
entities which have an nefarious agenda. When Graham Hank is
taking hyahuasca and he is beamed up into what I
would call the Second Heaven, He's meeting these entities there
and he realizes that what the heck are the Grays
doing here? Well, that's where they reside. That's an interdimensional portal.
It's an intermensal gateway. And Hancock, through the through the

(13:19):
use of ayahuasca, is breaking into that particular dimension because
it's an inter dimensional portal that he's going through. And
at the very end of the book Supernatural, Hancock poses
the question to the reader, you know, whoever these entities are,
they're obsessed with making a hybrid with us. That's my wheelhouse.

(13:39):
I've been saying that for decades for decades, and you know,
you can arrive at that however you want. But people
have seen hybrids. Alan Matthews, who's the centerpiece of the
first film in Our in Our UFO series, and he's
also a riveting interview recently actually Friday for Our Abduction,

(14:02):
because that's what that's another film on the UFO abduction phenomenon,
and Al comes in and discusses all of that. So
you know, this is real. Something is going on, and
it's either extraterre in dimensional. There's a book I'm reading
from a Catholic theologian that's basically championing the idea of

(14:23):
the plurality of worlds. In other words, that there is
more life on other planets just because there's you know,
millions of galaxies and all this stuff. That doesn't impress
me that there's millions of galaxies. You're just reading into that.
You're just saying, well, there's got a big And then
you get it to the Defermi paradox, which basically says, well,

(14:46):
if there's you know, why haven't we heard from them?
If there's all this life out there, why are they
so stink and silent? Hm, Well, they are so stink
and silent. We don't hear anything. So you know, it's
up to someone to change my particular paradigm of worldview.
I do not believe in the polarity of worlds. I

(15:08):
think this is it. I think when the Biblical prophetic
narrative tells us that at some point in time, the
God of Creation, the one who spoke everything into existence,
will roll up to heavens like a scroll. So does
that mean like a recreation, a new heaven and a
new Earth. So some people believe that, some people believe
it's a recreation. So the new Jerusalem, according to the

(15:32):
Biblical prophetic narrative, descends on planet Earth. I spoke at
Dave Hodges about this over the weekend. We did an
interview together, and Dave, you know, when you think about
what's written in the Biblical prophetic narratives, specifically in the
Book of Revelation where it talks about I saw a
new city of Jerusalem, descending fifteen hundred miles wide, fifteen

(15:55):
hundred miles in length, fifteen hundred miles high. The cube
could be also could be a pyramid. We don't know
what it is. I lean towards pyramid just because of
Giza and everything else. But I digressed. So the bottom
line is that is some sort of a structure. It's
some sort of a construct. You can't you can't create

(16:16):
and build a structure that's fifteen hundred miles wide unless
you know what you're doing, you know, I mean, just
think about that. Fifteen hundred miles wide, fifteen hundred miles high,
fifteen hundred miles of length. This thing is huge, and
it descends on planet Earth. I mean it, it actually
descends over the planet. I mean, how, how the heck

(16:40):
does that work. It's just it's just mind boggling when
you think about it. When you.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Go ahead, yeah, no, no, you got well, you mentioned
the inner dimensional aspects of this and the possibilities that
there are different realities, are different types of frequencies that
we that are around us at all times. These entities
could possibly be always surrounding us, just in different realities,
and that would make a lot of sense. When you

(17:07):
look at a lot of the abduction or contact phenomena
where the people don't even you know, seem to be
leaving their homes. It seems to be happening on an
astral realm or a different plane of consciousness right.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, it can happen in both ways. When people are
taking Al Matthews is a cojin example of that. He's taken.
He's got three or four hours of missing time. He
winds up coming. He awakens in his car bathe in
complete white, brilliant light. He is vibrating all over his
body like this. The car is floating down and touches

(17:45):
the road. It starts on its own and drives on
its own until Al's conscious of to get his hands
on the wheel. He's a hundred and twenty kilometers away
from where he lasts was conscious. So it's both. It's
not even or. Some people are taken asterly, but most
are taken physically. There's a physical physicality to this, where

(18:06):
people are removed from you know, an area and you know,
off they go. I've been in contact with with people
and our our third film, we interviewed this this man
who presented his story and he's taken at a very
young age and three grays show up in his room.

(18:29):
He's terrified, absolutely terrified, and they give him something to
eat and the next thing he remember is well, you know,
he's back in his room, but he's not sure where
they're left. But he has vivid memories, vivid memories of
being about one hundred feet over his home and going
towards the west. Why would he have those Why would

(18:52):
he have those vivid memories. See, they're able to switch
you off. They're also able to implant in your memory
false memories. So you can you'll you'll say, well, nothing happened.
Like with Al, he doesn't remember being on the ship.
He doesn't, but he remembers being taken, being switched off,

(19:14):
and then coming back and awakened, awakening. He remembers that,
but he doesn't remember being switched off. Other people the same.
Robert Sallas, who we interviewed in our Watchers series, remembers
the whole stinking thing. It depends on who you talk to.
Salas is taken. Uh. He goes to the window and

(19:36):
he's wondering are they going to open the window. They
don't open the window. He goes through the window and
doctor David Jacobs, who we've interviewed numerous times. Jacob says
that that standard procedure, people are taken through the window.
So these entities defy and are able to manipulate space, time, matter,
and energy in ways that the five our sense of

(19:59):
reality and our grasp of physics. So it's absolutely astounding.
Sallas is there, he's on the metal table, He's surrounded
by grays. They promptly take a nice, big long needle
and inserted in his manhood. Why why do they need
to do this? You know, Josh Lay says Jay Allen

(20:20):
Heineck basically echoes his thinking that you know, you're coming
here with this type of technology and you're doing the
same goofy is so called sadistic medical experiments over and
over and over again. For why, for what reason are
you doing this? Because they get off on the fear.
I spoke to someone in the last twenty four hours

(20:43):
who was telling me that, you know, I'm terrified and
these entities seem to feed off the fear. And I go,
that's exactly what they do. They feed off the fear.
That's what they feed off of. And this person said
the moment they just went, oh you again, and I'm
not buying into this. They were able to break the

(21:03):
cycle that and evoked the name of Jesus. Call upon
there are Christians, call upon the name of Jesus, and
they broke the phenomena. They broke the chain.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
What do you think about the implications that abductees have
reported military personnel during their experiences or on the ship
or you know what look like very much humans in
military outfits participating in some of the horrific things that
are being done to them. It makes me think, of course,
that we have a lot more involvement with these things

(21:35):
at certain levels than they would ever let us know.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Right, yeah, we've heard this. It's in all UFO literature
where people are taken and they and they were in
the presence of military people working side by side. I
had an eyewitness, a whistleblower, actually two come on the
record with me and tell me that this particular there,

(22:01):
this guy was in in the service. Okay, and what
you know, once oss O alas oss one Cia always see,
he never leave. And so his buddy, he's overwatching a
football game with his buddy, was also in the service.
And his buddy blurts out that his son, you know,
is working in an underground base with aliens, with aliens,

(22:26):
working side by side with aliens. Another man told me
exactly the same thing. They know, you see, this is
this is what the American people don't get. What we
see is is what uh some people call kabuki theater.
It's what what we're what they want us to see.
But it's not. It's not the reality. It's not what's

(22:47):
going on. There are deep underground bases, and your congressman,
if it's in let's say New Mexico, your centator from
New Mexico has no access to it. Okay, the President
of the United States has no access to it. There
is a shadow government, there is a deep state. I'm
not making this stuff up and I'm not the first

(23:08):
person to talk about it. So all this information is
kept from the American people. And this is what's problematic.
They realize they the deep state that they're in over
their heads. At this point, they're in way over their
heads and they don't know how to stop it. They've
lost control of the whole thing they have. Originally, and

(23:32):
I believe this is UFO literature. Originally, when they granted
permission for the so called aliens to abduct people, the
so called aliens were supposed to take you know, name, address,
phone number of who they were taking and only take
a select a group of people that that went right
out the window, right out the window.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
So they're not going to the Eisenhower supposed deal that
was made.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I believe. In our second film, right there right behind you,
you can go to YouTube and watch it, folks, for free.
You know you can't. I can't. I can't make you
watch it, you know, but you know, you know, actually
going to your YouTube channel and it's just so much
work to click that now, so much. Well, the third
one was not going to be free, snowflake, so get

(24:19):
used to it as well. Not four, five, six, and seven.
You know, we need to make a living here and
wake up. But I did the first two for free,
you know, because I needed to get the information out,
because it's that important. It's vital, it's vital. So in
our in our second film, you know, we sit down
with again with Francisco Carrera and and Preston Denner and others.

(24:43):
We were talking about you know, Roswell and the abduction
phenomena and this cat and mouse game and all of this,
and one of the one of the points I sort
of pose it to Francisco, I said, you know, the
the the Old Guard is dead. Those who were there

(25:04):
in forty seven, you know, they were thirty years old then,
or forty years old or fifty years old. Most of
them have died off, right, So the new guard has
come up, and a new guard is going we we've
lost control of this thing. The so called aliens are
in complete control of this thing. They've given us technology.

(25:26):
But you know, give me a break. So this goes
back to the Eisenhower Halloman Force based stuff. And I
sat down with Preston and Dennett and in Preston and
I both believe, Yeah, Eisenhower made the deal at Holloman
Air Force Base. There's no doubt in my mind that
that's what happened. Otherwise it wouldn't have been leaked out
like that. It's part of UFO, you know, conspiracy theory.

(25:50):
Remember I was called a conspiracy theorist right with UFOs.
Oh but wait now, now it's uapsified aerial phenomena. And
I'm no longer a tinfoil hat wearing guy, even though
I've been talking about it for you know, fifty years whatever,
I mean, give me a break. But professionally, I've been
talking about it for over thirty because that's when I

(26:11):
got the book deal and the research and all the
other stuff. And now we publish our own books and
you know, you're gonna want this woman on. It's our
first book that we actually published under Spiral of Life.
It's a good segue. It's called they only come out
at Night. This is right in your wheelhouse, my friend,

(26:31):
and it's on sleep paralysis. And she's great on camera,
incredibly articulate, and I can you know, send you an
email and introduce Your name is Vicky Joy Anderson. She's
great on camera, incredibly articulate, she talks quickly, she's just
really good. And it's on sleep paralysis. And again it's

(26:53):
we're proud to publish your books. So when we're done,
I'll shoot you her contact.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah. Great.

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speaking of one of the things that you've been talking
about for a long time that I want to get
into tonight is the coming deception when it comes to
UoS and what we're seeing in the mainstream and where
it's all leading or where it possibly could be leading.
Many people have discussed the possibilities of a deception in

(28:27):
the sky like Project Bluebean, Same or that going to
portray the aliens as either a major threat that will
unite everybody or as the saviors of humanity. There's there's
different ideas of what could possibly be going on behind
all this.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
What are your thoughts, Well, it will be the it
will be the right deception. When they show up, everything
will change. And you know that's what people don't understand.
When they show up, it is revolution. You think COVID
changed everything, or you know, when the grid was up
for the Fukushima disaster, when we all watched their real

(29:04):
time the Tyler wave come in, we all saw it.
The entire globe saw it because the grid was switched on.
What I mean by that they control of the grid.
No matter where you turned, Bam, you were watching Fukushima.
The grid was lit up. When they show up, all
bets are off. COVID changed everything. COVID changed the entire planet.

(29:24):
You know, we all we're gonna lock down, you know. Yeah,
And now we find out from doctor Burks that guess what,
we didn't have to lock down, and guess what the
efficacy of the mask is nonsense? And guess what, you know,
the vaccines are not as efficacious as we thought they were.
But they withheld all this. Now she's coming clean. Maybe
she's you know, maybe she's where her consciences is bothering her.

(29:47):
I don't know, but she's distanced herself from doctor Falci.
Like azy, I used those points of COVID and Fukushima
to illustrate that when they show up, it will be
absolutely dramatic, so dramatic that the world will stop. People
will just stop work. I mean, people would just go
not coming in today, I gotta I gotta find out

(30:09):
what's going on, and they will say ET so called
ET will state that we created all life on this planet.
We genetically animulated early man, we started the world's civilizations
and religions, and now at this critical juncture in humanistry,
we ET are back to usher in magkind into a
time of a golden age. Now, what's going to trigger them,

(30:32):
in my opinion, will be some sort of nuclear event
on this planet. Now that's conjecture on my part. But
when when a nuke happens somewhere right, the grid will
be lit up, the grid will be totally lit up,
and every single eye on this planet will be looking

(30:53):
at ground zero where that nuke just went off. We'll
be looking at pictures of the aftermath. What's going on?
You know, the United Nations emergency meetings. All these people
will be oh my gosh, we've got to stop this.
You can't have this. People will be cowering, runs on
the banks, runs on food, mass panic. Are we looking
at World War three? Are they going to annihilate the planet?

(31:16):
What's going on here? Right? That's when they show up.
When the climate of planet Earth is producing the greatest
collective fear. That's when they show up. They feed off
the fear. They feed off the fear, and from that
springboard of the nuclear event, that's when they know, hey,

(31:38):
we're here, we're your savers. And remember et It goes
back to Robert Sallas. He's working at the Malstrom Air
Force Base, right, and he's working forty sixty feet below
the surface. He gets the top a fall from topside,
which is the surface, saying, hey, there's a sixty foot
orange UFO floating over the gate. What do we do?

(31:59):
And the miss turned off all of his intercontinental ballistic
missiles just like that, just turn them. How is that possible? Right?
So you know we're looking at high stranges, we're looking
at stuff that is the cats out of the bag
were on the ninth rung of the ladder of disclosure.

(32:21):
I can go through all those rungs of a ladder.
I use the ladder for as an analogy. Or in
the ninth rung. From my take, other people may disagree
with that. They may be on the tenth or eleventh,
or you know, they well, it's we're on the fourth throng.
Well that's you can believe what you want to believe.
But I've been watching this ever since twenty seventeen with
commanded David Fravor like a hawk or on the ninth

(32:44):
rung of a ladder.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Of disclosure, and out of how many would you say.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Don't know? Okay, now they speculate.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Right, Well, when we have to take a look at
the relationship are the this supposed desire that they have
from humanity, whether it's for our energy like you were saying,
to siphon off of our fears, or to harvest us
or like a high program. We look back at ancient
history and seeming we have been involved with these entities

(33:17):
for a very long time. When you look at your
work with elongated skulls and there are spaceiens that our
royalty and even members of royal families, and these ancient
bloodlines that go back are somehow connected with these beings
as well.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Already due to the hybridization that's.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Been going on on the planet for maybe thousands of years.
Do you think that there are certain bloodlines that still
carry this kind of alien DNA and they're the ones
at the very top here.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well, that's certainly conjecture. We had your wortch for people
who have encounters with hybrid entities. So there's no doubt
in my mind. I'll quote doctor David Jacob's book Walking
amongst Us, there's no doubt. But here I'll tell you
one story that came across the desk, and this is
people go, why didn't anybody do anything? L a well,

(34:06):
because when you encounter this, you have what I call
UFO brain fog. You're not thinking clearly, you're not and
it takes you a while for your brain to actually clear.
This woman comes on the record with me and she's
in a Walmart. Now Walmart is the place, and this

(34:28):
according to doctor David Jacobs, when the handlers are with
the hybrids, they will bring them into Walmart and show
them how to integrate, show them what products are, show
them at a shop, showed them how to interact with people.
So she's in an aisle at Walmart. There are two

(34:48):
or three other people in the same aisle that she's in. Okay,
it's three o'clock in the afternoon, which is abnormal. Usually
it takes place very late at night. They show up
with the handlers. This woman begins to walk down the aisle,
except she's twelve feet tall. The woman who was telling

(35:14):
me the story, said, she came up to the woman's
waist and she's five foot six, so the woman's at
least twelve feet tall. I said, well, are you sure
it's not a guy on drag and drag and filts. Nope,
she said. You could see the leg the legs, the boots,

(35:34):
the hair. She was a pretty gal, very well proportioned,
totally female in every way, dressed nicely, oddly, but nicely.
And she walked down this aisle. I said, did anybody
do anything? She said, dumb, We just we went back

(35:54):
to shopping after she left. That's classics, classic, because you're
not thinking and straight. Most people would go cell phound, click, click,
click click. Nope, didn't happen, she said. When she checked
out right, she never saw the woman again. She waited
in the parking lot to see her, never came out

(36:14):
of the store. They are walking amongst us. They are
walking amongst us, and I find that alarming.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It is well, what we talked about the Luciferian in game,
I think is going to be the actual in game
which is occurring here.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
We seem to be.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
In the midst of a spiritual war that's been going
on for a long time, and we're just actually having
people realize it right now and come around and see
the corruption everything that's going on behind the scenes. On
top of that, there seems to be this transhuman agenda
to try and merge humanity with machines. And this also
could be, you know, interpreted as some type of alien agenda,

(36:59):
because at that point we're not humans anymore, we're something else.
What do you think about that in this in game
Luciferian agenda?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Well, that is let me go get a prop here,
because I want to. I just want to, you know,
give myself a Shables blog. Yeah, because people need to know.
People need to get the book, they need to read it.
It was and I wrote this right after seeing Commander
David Frewer on Tucker Carlson Show. I mean that you

(37:28):
quoted the title of it. You know, it's seventy year
old cover up with Roswell and manage a gender obscure
of the truth. You know, this is the Luciferian endgame,
And I mean that's exactly what it is. Number one
in this series is the coming Great Deception and the
Luciferian Endgame. And that's exactly where we are. The coming
great deception of a Luciferian endgame. This has been prophesied

(37:50):
in the Bible for thousands of years. It's it's like
right there, you know, we know that that Jesus warns
us that men would faint from fear from what's coming
upon the earth. That's a two thousand year old of prophecy.
Men will faint from fear from what's coming upon the earth.

(38:10):
Right that, do not be deceived. Many will come in
my name saying I am the Christ. I mean, what
an absurd statement to make, unless, of course, he is
who is who he says he is, and all the
prophecies point to him, and all the prophecies point to
his second coming, which I think is close. I think

(38:30):
we're very close, closer than most things. He also says.
Jesus also tells us that it would be like days
of Noah in our return. But why is he pointing
him the daze of Noah? What is so important? It's
because the fallen watcher angels are manifesting and creating hybrid entities. Welcome,
Welcome to my wheelhouse. Welcome to you know this book,

(38:54):
these films and everything else that we do. This is
what's going on. These are the days of We are
living in the days of Noah. Hybrids. Men are taken,
they are abductive and are abducted. Sperm mis taken from
the men, ovi mis taken from the women. They are
making hybrid entities. Alan Matthews in our film had an

(39:14):
encounter with one Diane Kelly I shape shifted. I mean
she was a hybrid entity. There's no doubt about that
in my mind. Other people have had and encounters. We're
interviewing more and more people that have had encounters. People
are coming on the record, specifically because of our new
show Supernatural Confrontation, which is on our YouTube channel. We
do two of those a week, two on a trail

(39:37):
of a Nephelme a week, as well as one up
UFO Update, So you do three different shows in the
span of a week's time, which is really kind of
cool when you think about it. But Supernatural Confrontation is
blowing up our inbox and people send emails with their
supernatural encounter and then I do a zoom Chattel we

(39:57):
interview them and it gives people a platform to took
about what happened to them. And we're getting people that
have encounters with highbred entities. So the fomine is real
version and not going away. That's a tagline I've used
literally for decades now, but it's here. And the endgame
is to usher in the Antichrist. The endgame is is

(40:19):
to and this is prophecy. It says that you will
not be able to buy, sell, or trade unless you
take the mark, so the mark of the Beast. So
then it as anyone who takes the mark winds up
in the lake of fire. Wait a minute, wait, why
what is so nefarious about this mark that you wind
up in the lake of fire. That's not a good

(40:41):
place to wind up. And it's because this mark that
the people will take will change their DNA. Now the
job right, we've already there was a report that came
out yesterday out of Switzerland that apparently that when you
take the jab the stuff whatever it is, the teams
go into the liver and begins to change or alter

(41:04):
in some way the human host the DNA. Now, is
the jab the mark of the Beast? No, it's not,
there's no way in my opinion. But is it a
precursor to it? Absolutely? Are we in the window of
time where we may see the rise of the Antichrist.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Absolutely, well, they're talking about the digital ID now where
you cannot by accelerate unless you're going to have this
implanted thing inside of you. And yes, that is one
of the first things I thought about, is the JAB
where you know, it is altering people's DNA to where
who knows what kind of control they could have over

(41:40):
our own autonomy.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
You know, Oh, I completely concur So we are moving
into a window of time that is unprecedented in all
of human history COVID nineteen and the draconian measures still
implemented and implemented in places like Canada. You don't want
to go to Canada whatever you do. Now, they're already
they're already full blown COMI. That's where they are. That's

(42:04):
exactly where they are, and it's it's unfortunate, but that's
where they are. And uh, the current administration in this
country is also very draconian. Watch for lockdowns again. Watch
watch for the lockdowns to happen right before the midterm elections.
Lots of monkey business going on. They are systematically destroying
our country big by beric. It's it's a managed agenda

(42:27):
and they're doing it. You can't let millions of people
across the southern border and expect the country, know the
country on the planet would allow that, no other country.
But if you say something, you're a racist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Man, it's incredible what's happening. But I'll go back to
hybrids for a second. Do you think, based on all
the research you've done in interviews and people that you've
spoken with, that these hybrids that some of them may
not even know their hybrids and have just been kind
of going off of whatever type of DNA or it
gend of their program too.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
No, not at all. They know exactly who they are.
They know exactly who they are, and they're integrated. They
know who they are. They're in a fixed state. There
is no redemption because they're solace. They are literally soless.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
They have do you think they're being placed in key
positions here to where they have more power than normal people.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I've heard interesting stories. You can't bet them, and I
won't go public with anything, but I have heard interesting
stories along the lines of David Ike. But because you
can't vet it. I mean, look, I could tell you,
you know a story, just make it up out of
my head, without without any without any provenance, without any
a second witness without or even a second and the

(43:43):
third witness without some sort of hardcore evidence. It's you know,
very very difficult to you know, go out on a
limit and say, you know, ex Prime minister from whatever
country is it is a hybrid. Jesus can't now. Other
their authors do say that and bully for them, but
I'm not. You know, I will go with something unless

(44:06):
I can vet it, and if I can't vet it,
I will give my readers and my followers a caveat.
I said, I haven't been able to vet this, but
I think it's important do with it what you will.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Something else we've been seeing coinciding with this disclosure movement
is arise in interest or government interest in high strange
places or locations like Skinwalker Ranch. There's another one, blind
Frog Ranches. They're popping up all over the place in there.
They're sending in paranormal and guest investigation teams. But not

(44:39):
only that, the government and these three letter agencies are
very interested in these places and seem to be studying
them as well. What is your take on what could
be happening at these locations that has a concentration of
mix of paranormal and UFOs and just a bunch of
high strange activity.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
These are gateways. They are in my opinion, they are
open portals into a second heaven. And that's why when
you see that spiral like that, that in my opinion,
is a gateway. That's showing that there's a gateway. That's
why you see that spiral from all the umbons, whether
you're in Peru where they're in the Middle East, whether

(45:19):
you're at gilgl a Fayim in the Middle East, it's
concentric rings that that huge, huge it's called Gilgli Ralfayim,
the wheel of a giants. Well, it's five concentric circles.
It's essentially, in my opinion, signaling that this is this
is a gateway. This is where the gateway, and of
course Mount Hermone is right in the back, and that

(45:39):
was the gateway to these these entities. We'll be leading
a what I call armateurl of a Nepheline tour in
Israel in twenty twenty three. We will be going to
Mount Hermone. I will be lecturing there and reading from
the Book of Enoch. So it's very interesting that the
United Nations are all over Mount Hermone and we will

(45:59):
go up there and lead the tour, and then from
there we go into Gilgal Ralfayim and we elect lecture there,
show the people forty two thousand tons of assault rock
keeped up into five consent circles. But to your point,
blind Frog and all these places are just there's nothing
more of an interdimensional gateways. They can be sealed up.

(46:21):
But in order to do that, you need you need
help from the good guys. You know, you need you
need Michael and the angels to come and help you
seal that gateway up. And Native Americans know exactly who
it is that's coming through there. We have reports from
Native Americans who are in sweat lodges now and they

(46:41):
are calling the Star people down and the Grays show up.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Now when we're talking about good versus evil entities in
this whole UFO community, we have a split.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
You were telling them earlier.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
There's some that believe that they're here for the advancement
of humanity, for to advance us our consciousness and help
us evolve. And then there's like yourself, others believe that
they are not here, that this has been en earious
agend the whole time. But people have been taken advantage
of this idea. In the UFO community. We've had plenty

(47:16):
of people gain notoriety and become what you call guru
spiritual gurus because they're telling people about the love and
light and the awesome power of these extraterrestrials and how
they're here to save us. Well, I mean, the longer
you follow most of people, they seem to just fall
off and their true colors eventually shine through. But we

(47:37):
still have this is run rampant throughout the community, where
I think people they may have an experience they can't explain,
and all of a sudden they turn into a spiritual
guru that talks to aliens. And that's another problem I
think we're having here.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
And I won't mention any names, but there are there
are exactly right, there's one individual who created this whole movement,
changed his name and you know, off he goes, and
he's going to tell you all about you know, the brotherhood,
and and in fact, he actually claims that he and
Jesus had the same father. It's right right out of prophecy.

(48:14):
Many will come in my name, right. Oh, so now
you know this guy has got the same Jesus and
our brothers. Oh what a con they No, you're not, sir,
you know, isn't it funny how it's it's never Buddha
and it's always Jesus. They do all cults and and
the dragon always do two things. They negate the deity

(48:35):
of Jesus the Messiah, and they negate the work of
the cross. They always go after two things, tooth and nail.
They negate his deity, and they try to negate the
work of the cross. And of course you can't do
that because you know, he is the King. The King
is coming back, because all things were created by him,
and without him, nothing that was not made that was made.

(48:56):
So he's he's there. He holds all things together, He's
before all things, and he holds all things together. He
holds you together, he holds me together. And that's a
three hour conversation. But yeah, these you know, these people
that have these encounters, they are lied to. They believe
the lie. I interviewed a woman who's twenty one years old,

(49:20):
been a contact teet most of her life. Very smart gal.
I haven't done anything with the interview yet. I'm not
sure what I'm going to do with the interview. I
may may contact her again and have her come back
on she claims to get hybrid. She's not. In my opinion,
she's not a hybrid. But she has been taken numerous times.

(49:40):
And so you know, we either have the biblical prophetic
narrative and what it states, what is the truth? I
say that often what is the truth? So we have
the truth of the Gospels. We have the truth of
the Biblical prophetic narrative, who, unlike Nostradamus, unlike any other
book on the planet, has the threat of prophecy from

(50:01):
the Book of Genesis into the Book of Revelation, all
through calling out with great specificity events. There is no
other book like it. And when you I was spoke
at a UFO conference just recently again in Utah, and
I just you know, I was greeted. Some of the
speakers accepted me. Many of them did not. They did

(50:23):
not like the paradigm I was I was discussing. They
would look at me as a religious paradigm. It's not
really this at all. It's supernatural. It's supernatural. It's a
supernatural worldview. It's a supernatural paradigm. There is a supernatural
world and sometimes it manifested people like you and people
like me, And so what we're looking at because these

(50:43):
entities can manipulate spacetime, matter and energy in ways that
the fi are physics, as they said earlier, But they are,
they are here, they are breeding, they are creating hybrids.
And this is the coming great deception. And what UFR
researchers need to understand that unless unless you plumb the

(51:04):
depths of this book and understand what's written in it
and have a personal relationship with the author of it,
you will never ever get to the truth. In my opinion.
And I realize that sounds la. That sounds incredibly prejudicial
on your and you know what you're saying. It sounds
very narrow minded. It sounds like, you know, you're really

(51:25):
is fanatic. It's like, oh, la, really, yeah really. And
what's amazing is most people have never read Oh yeah
the Bible, Yeah, I wear that. Or are you aware
of their prophetic threat? Are you aware of it? Jesus
warns us to be like the days of Noah. Know
the differentiation between the Days of Noah and any every

(51:45):
time of history? Do you know in the Book of
Daniel when it says their seed will mingle with the
seed of men, but they will not cleave to them.
Speaks of the ongoing abduction phenomena which is happening right now.
How do we know that because the Angel tells Daniel, hey, Dan,
seal up the words of this book until the time
of the end. Men will run to and fro over
the face of the earth, and knowledge will increase. That

(52:08):
is unbelievable, because you when you plot on a graph,
this is Jack Missler. You know, here's mankind. Here's the
historic timeline from the days of Daniel when he writes
that prophecy to Gutenberg. It's flatline, folks, nothing happens. People
ride around on horses. They use quill pens to write
the word. You know. They've got people that live their

(52:31):
lives in a scriptorium, copying word for word, you know,
in a book or whatever. And that's it. That's how
it is. It's agrarian economy. Get Gutenberg. He events the
printing press boom. All of a sudden, the graph goes
up like this. Coming to the Industrial Revolution, the graph
really starts to take off. Now you come into modernity.
Every six months, knowledge increases, and it does so exponentially.

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What does that prophecy say twenty five hundred years ago,
roughly men and women will run to and fro over
the face of the earth, and knowledge will increase. Here
we are Geo. I didn't know it was in the Bible. Oh,
but you just told them that you were reading it,
that you knew about it, that you read it. Oh wait,

(53:14):
you've never really read it. You've never really studied it.
And you know, I've been studying it for forty two years.
I'm a babe in the wilderness. Seriously, there is so
much There is so much information. And you know, if
you don't like the word Bible, you know what I
call it. I call it the guide Book to the supernatural,
because that's exactly what it is. It's the guidebook to

(53:35):
the supernatural. And that's why these folks who are secular
and their reasoning secular, and their paradigm and their worldview,
they never, they never, they never can put it together.
But see, I look at the the elongated skulls and
I look at the modern day UFO phenomena, and they're

(53:56):
connected because there's a unified theory that encompass all of it.
And that unified theory comes from the Guidebook of a supernatural.
That's how I got there without it, no way.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, I definitely agree, one hundred percent. There's a huge
connection between the supernatural and what we call aliens. In UFOs,
they were talking about those exponential jumps in technology that
we've experienced. Do you think this could also be attributed
to our relationship with these entities?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Well, but Nazi's talked about that that helped from them.
Certainly there's been back engineering. Philip so wrote a book
before he passed away talking about how he disseminated through
different private industrial companies certain parts that they got from
the so called roswell crash. Isn't interesting? Wow, So you

(54:48):
know he's controversial. We really don't know all that's there,
but it's, in my opinion some of it. Some of
it we got from them. But you know, when you
get when you get the right, there's no help there.
They're ripe brothers are are you know? Making that plane
and flying that baby at KINNEIOC. You know a little

(55:08):
different with with von Braun and and the V two
and all that. A little bit different maybe with the
computer chip. Maybe with certainly some of the technology that
we have in modernity. Don't know don't know. But the
bottom line is this that a lot of it was

(55:29):
mankind figuring stuff out. On the other hand, it's there's
as von Braun says, we had help from them.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Now, when you look at them and the possibilities of
how many different types of them or aliens there could
be from just from the different accounts alone, it seems
like they're a different species of these things. Do you
think that they are all have not the best interest
for humanity in mind? Do you think that any of you?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I do? I don't. First of all, I don't believe
in the specization that people say these entities have the
ability to shape shift. The word in Greek is called
Metascitt's monocy. They're from my good friend rust is dar.
So they have the ability to appear as an angel
of light. That's why you have to test the spirits
in order to decide and discern what is that you're

(56:18):
looking at. But they can appear as anything they want to,
you know, lizard shape, priantis. The grays are different. The
grays are biological construct to house the spirits of the
Nephilem which were destroyed in the flood. And I realized
that's a huge jump for people, which is another three

(56:38):
hour conversation.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
So it could be that these a lot of these
are non physical in our reality. They are just using
things like the grays and then using our perception and
shifting our perception to be whatever they want us them
us to see them as right.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, they can. They can manipulate their appearance to appear
as you know, goddesses, men, women. They they are they
are literally transgender, interdimensional transgender identities because that's what they are.
They can appeal as male, appear as male or female.
They can appear half like a like a chimera, part

(57:19):
part human, part animal. I mean, it's just all over
the map. But their true form I believe is that
of a reptilian. But that's who they're. The guy that
they the dragon, that's who they sided with.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
And do you think this this whole hybridization program is
to have a future population where it's all hybrids, where
we're all part of these these different beings that.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Will never happen. See, that's that's they're gonna hear. They're
gonna be here, they're gonna have their their day in court,
at work, and then the ride around the white Horse
Revelation nineteen kicks in the ride around. The white horse
comes back and he kicks some major boute at that
particular point. So I'm we're winding up to an hour.
I've got to get going after another.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, oh, one more thing before you head out. Do
you see that there is any any large scale faction
or group that does know about this but is on
our side and maybe helping humanity, uh prepare for some
of this?

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, people like me, But there's there's really no group.
I mean, there's a bunch of us in Alborino shouting
a warning. Mondo Gonzalez, Gary Steerman, Bob Ulrick, Derrek Gilbert,
Josh Peck. There's a there's a bunch of us, Tom Horn.
There's there's a group. You know, there's there's a group
that's that's doing saying Mike Heiser, doctor Mike Kaiser. Another one.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, pretty much like I always thought, we're gonna save us.
We all have to save ourselves, especially when it comes
to something as a huge uh, as a spiritual nature.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Is this right? Well? I disagree. I think that Jesus
is coming to save us. He is we have been.
We are not appointed to wrath. We are the right
of Christ, and at some point we will greet him
in the air, which is a in essence, the greatest
supernatural event short of the Resurrection and the Second Coming.

(59:12):
That's got to be number three, you know, the rapture
of the church, rapture of the believers, that will happen.
That will happen because the one that created the heavens
is able to do stuff like this. That's his mo
o right.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Always a fascinating conversation, LA, before you head out, let
everyone know where they can find your films, books, all
the good stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Lamarzuli dot net. Lamarzoli dot net. There are the films
on the Trail of Nephel and the books. Everything is
right there, lamar Zuli dot net. And I would pray
that you would go and and you know, when you
buy something, whether it's a film or book, you're gonna
get educated, You're gonna learn. Trust me. Thanks so much

(59:53):
for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk
again tomorrow. You're now listening to to War by Drogably. Today,
I want to welcome Kevin Moore. He is producer and
host of the More show, which provides the platform from
which some of the world's greatest philosophers, paranormal researchers, life coaches,

(01:00:16):
spiritual teachers and authors can communicate their work, research, observations
and reflections and infuse into our common knowledge their understanding
of life and the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Kevin, welcome, How you doing, Chris?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Thank you so so much for giving us the time
to tell the alternative side to this very convoluted and
you know, important story. So I thank you so much
for leving us on for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Man, it's great to have you on. I've really been
looking forward to this. We're going to be discussing your
new documentary about the tragic saga of Captain Mark Richards
and I hate to giggle about it, but it's just
so inside saying. Once you hear the details of this, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It's mind boggling.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I first heard about this back in I believe twenty fifteen, sixteen,
somewhere around there, and it was around the same time
I got started with Forbidden Knowledge News. At the time,
I was a listener of Project Camelot with Carry Cassidy.
I've even had Carrie on a couple of times, and
I've even had joe Ann Richards Mark spouse on back

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in the day. Now, I came to find out very
soon after airing those shows that everything was really not
as we were told by Carrie and Project Camelot and
Mark and joe Ane and the crew. So I also
learned very quickly that this community is full of fraudulent characters.

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But to be not only that, but to be extremely
careful with what you believe and especially what you report
to a large audience, and then not only that, stick
with your ridiculory for years until this very day, despite
the profound evidence presented as proof against it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Some of these.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
People, I believe, are scared of losing the spotlight, the
ones that are reporting this. They stick with these insane
conspiracies and tales just because they get those views and
clicks from it. Honestly, and I've really learned never to
commit ultimate belief in much of anything presented in this reality.
Discernment in using my gut feeling was the key for

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me to survive in this community. But this, like I said,
this is a very important story to get out before
we get into this twisted story. This is your first
time on tell Us for the audience that may not
be familiar, tell us about yourself, your show, and ultimately
would lead to do this documentary about this story.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Sure. Well, I've always had an interest in the alternative,
in the spiritual subjects, and that was really from our
bell watching a lot of coast to coast or listening
to a lot of coast to coast back in the
UK many years ago. And when I went to university,

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I decided that I was going to go and do
something in broadcasting. So I started off as a radio
degree and just transferred a couple of years later on
the final year to television, got some experience in producing
a local based, satellite based TV show, did that for

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about half a year, and then when that came to
an end, I just decided to go full pelt into
concentrating online, I guess, and producing my show online. And
it went from from doing that to where it is
right now. And I suppose I've been doing the same
thing for a long time. I've decided to sort of

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change what I'm doing. I'm now going to be branded
on the under the International Spiritual News Network the ISNN,
and one of the things for the network is not
only taking other people's content, but obviously doing the news
from a spiritual perspective, a deeper comic perspective. So it's
not about Ronald, right, it's trying to look at the

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news from a perspective, reporting it as is and then
looking at you know, is there a deeper reason why
this is going on. That's the idea right now for
the ISNA. I mean, it's it's bound to change. It's
bound to change. So with the docuseries, I was approached
by any man called Jeff and he lived in the

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Bay Area, probably about four years ago now, and I
had just interviewed Kerry Cassidy and I've mentioned the guy's name,
Jeff in that interview and about what he had to
say about the opposing opinion to the Mark Richards story.
I then met up with Jeff a couple of weeks
later in just outside well actually no, it was Paradise

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where they had the fires, and yeah, he starts telling
us about this alternative side, and you know, he showed
us a lot of bat links to the alternative side
as well, and it was a complete you know r
at that moment that oh my god, there's an alternative
side to the Captain Mark Richards story, which I always
knew there there possibly was. I mean, I had Joanne

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back on I think it was in twenty fifteen, and
it was, you know, quite a trending story right then,
and it still was even up to this day. Really
I approached Kerry Cassidy with some of the the you know,
ideas of that there's an alternative side to this. She
knew well about it, but she wasn't prepared to release

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anything like that or put anything out. You know, she
had vetted this guy with intuition, with looking at the
case itself, and you know, as she said to me
on the phone, and that phone conversation is out there
in many interviews right now that you you know, you
can't trust court testimony. My my question was, well, what
if not if it's true? And she's like, well, you

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know what if it's not true. You know, people put
themselves to back a certain you know cause, and you
know she's in it for the long run. So at
that point I realized, you know, we you know, this
is not just about me putting out Jeff's interview that
I did in California, but you know, there's a whole

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documentary here and it just really you know, sort of
turned into a whole documentary on discernment. I guess right,
and I haven't released it yet. I think it's more
of a docu series, but there's a few ways this
could go. I haven't released it because there is just
so much to it. I said this to you off air.
It's so convoluted, right, there's so many strands. I mean

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you're talking about, you know, going over all of Joanne's
previous interviews, you know, all the edh which has her
non for profit organization, and the reports that she's puts
out there, which other reports that she uses for her
conferences as well. We've interviewed over twenty three people so far,
including the retired DA ed Barbarian who put Mark away

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back in nineteen eighty two. I don't know, you probably
have seen that interview. There is more than an overwhelming
evidence that the DA got it right back in the
day that Mark Richards murdered his friend Richard Ball went
for financial game. There is no forensic proof in a
sense to link him at the crime scene, except for

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the testimony of his crime partner who did the murder
for him, who was seventeen year old Crossing Hoover at
the time, who was manipulated by Mark, But there's much
forensic evidence that in the totality of it that links
him to the murder, not only the disposing of the body,
the buying of the boat to dispose of the body,

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the loans that he took out in his friend's name,
the forging of checks, the credit card debt that he
took out in his friend's name. I mean, obviously Juanne
Richards would just say, well, you know, these guys just
traded things out. So they did it because you could
just take a dead man's you know, signature, and you know,
get yourself ten thousand dollars worth back in the day,

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which is worth a lot back then of high fire
equipment and other stuff. There's the evidence that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
We get to more of the evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
I think it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Now it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I think it's important though, that the audience knows the
kind of synopsis of this story, maybe Marx version first,
and then we'll get into kind of what reality has
brought us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Right. Well, Mark's version is that the boys did the murder,
the boys being Andrew and Cross and Hoover, and that
he had, you know, nothing to do with it, and
that he's framed by the deep State for the time
spent in the secret space program. And it's a political angle,
CIA kind of angle. And you know he's been in

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contact with his connections. I guess you'd call them all
contacts within the military in the sense still to this day,
which is just not true. The truth is, after interviewing
Crossing Hoover for three months, right and visiting him in person,
Mark was six feet away as he gave the signal

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to murder Richard Baldwin And I've put the police interview out.
I don't know if you've heard it of Crossing his
confession nineteen ohight two confession. Yeah, where he it's brutal,
It's very brutal. I mean, that's not the Crossing Hoover
I met. Now, you know this is forty years ago.

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Why does this still matter? Why does a forty year
old murder matter in the case of Mark Richards, Well,
if he's going to lie back in the day about
his involvement, you know, and being just by his peers
that he was guilty, then everything he's saying right now
is absolutely not true. And when you speak to the
retired detectives, you know he's exactly where he needs to be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Now let's get to let's just talk about for a
second what Mark claimed to be. And you know, he
said he claimed to be in these clandestine kind of
three letter agencies and doing off planet operations for the
secret space program. Now, according to him, how long was
he involved, how long he had had he been involved

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with these you know, secret space program and clandestine ops.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Well, he talks about having his first sort of experience
when he was a young kid being taken to conferences
his dad was involved in the secret space program in
the sense, and you know, he talks about going to
Vietnam at thirteen. He talks about flying helicopters. He talks
about being a Navy captain, which is a higher rank

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than his father was. He talks about how his companies
would cover for his secret space program work. And they
were they I mean, Joanne's been on your show. She's
talked about how successful this company was. But that's far
from the truth. These were this was a fake. He
wasn't even a carpenter, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Well, was he in the military, is?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I know this is something absolutely not. I've done many
for requests and for everyone involved in this docum series.
He said they were serving they've all come back not
just to say that, well, you need permission for the living,
but what comes back is, yes, we have the records,
but you need the person's permission. With Mark's an absolute no.

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And I can't tell you how much I've delved into
the Navy to try to look into this. His only
claim to say that he it's been verified is obviously
he's now so called commander of the Veterans Association within
the prison walls. But we're speaking to the vets the
outlet program that that comes into the backable, and it's

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just not well, we're still in talks with them. But
the way they verify it is it's it's really word
of mouth. More will come out on that, but the
certificate that he's given so far, it's I actually see
Seed Joanna into the California State Assembly and we had
a long conversation with a chat there and these certificates

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that they've given to Mark, this one certificate they give
it out like candy. It's not verified. It's just, you know,
it's just for their Vets group. They have to verify
each other in a sense. Ryan and Duanne's well with
all this because she was see Seed into it. She's
actually given the option if for Ed Barbarian, we gave
her the option to come on to present her, you know,

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to talk to him. But you know she doesn't want
to know any certificates from school. Certificates he's got where
he's got degrees in this and that which are on
the timeline. None of them are true. We've already verified
a couple and they've come back as as unauthentic. The
only trusive degree certificate he's got, which was a BA

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in history, which he got to Dominica. So this, you know,
I'll just jump in here as well, because there's so
much I want to make sure I give you the history.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Yeah, his story, his version is so it's like a
Star Wars movie. It's so incredible, it's so fantastical. And
I've heard stories like this before. I've had so called
super soldiers on my show. You know, these people that
supposedly have gone on missions on planet. They're hired their
work for clandestine military groups. They have their consciousness removed

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from their body and put into clones and do these
weird twenty in back programs where they regressed and you know,
all this alleged stuff that we can't prove whatsoever. So
Mark was, you know, allegedly participating in this program the
whole time and being a good super soldier and killing
aliens off planet. But in reality, let's talk about why

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did he even commit this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Where was this whole murder for hire? About?

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah? And I'll just say his biggest Mark's biggest mistake
was actually saying that he was a serving vet, because
that can be easily traced to be as a lie. Right.
Had he not actually committed to that, this would have
been more difficult to disprove in some respects right, because
it would just have been here saying, right, that was
his biggest mistake. His father served, absolutely, but he did not.

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Even in the court case in nineteen eighty two to
ninety eighty four, his father came in in a very
frail condition. At that time. He was in a wheelchair.
So when Duanna says he was on these missions, well,
he was a survivor of a test crash, okay, and
he was almost well. He was certain parts of his

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body were paralyzed from the waist down. He couldn't have
any more kids, right, He was in failing health at
the time. So I've always said, unless Mark spaceship Minerva
had disabled facilities. It's just not it's just ridiculous. The
murder well Mark Mark had what was called I guess

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you'd well, let's just call it a court right now
in a sense right called dragon okay, and a cult.
You said, yes, a court called print pen Dragon and
pen Dragon. Its aims were to take over Marine County.
If you've read the pro board hearings on the one
here and I sent you for crossing Hoover, they do

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say that you know this was modern terrorism Cross. You're
you know you are aware of that, aren't you? Well?
Modern day terrorism Cross. He was going to be Duke
of Angel, Ireland. Many of the other boys associated with
the cult, we're going to have other given other titles.
But really, as I had, Barbarian said, the colt was
just there and use the court work loosely just to

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see which one of these boys would be most susceptible
to his will. Okay, So when he had already asked
a guy called Willy Robes, who actually joined the Navy
just before the murder too as murder for hire, to
murder his friend Dick, which is Richard Baldwin, and actually

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happened was that Willy obviously knew of crossing Hoover, and
he got crossing and crossing got Andrew to come in
to work for Mark. He wasn't employing these boys for
anything but murder because they had no skills in carpentry,
in house remodeling any houses that they touched. Because I've

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obviously got the three months worth of interviews Across and Hoover,
they destroyed the structures, do you know what I mean? Yep,
you didn't have an upstairs, but you got one, now,
do you know what I mean? Right? It's and we're
still going over those interviews transcribing, and there was so
many I did with him, right, and I just learned talk.
I just learned talk. And that's why in the end

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this may be actually Across and Hoovery Dog Across and
Hoover documentary as well. It could well be depending what
happens to his parole hearing in December, right, because I'm
sick to death of Mark. Right now, I'll be honest
with you, okay, but I know it's important. Right, So
crossy Ken and all the things that cross he hated, pedophiles, bagots,

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nutsis he got into cross his head to personify that
in Richard Baldwin. So there was so much set up
which is going to come out in the documentary leading
to this particular day, July sixth, nineteen eighty two. So
they Crossy, Andrew and Mark are at mister Bowen's house
just doing some work for Dick. One of the key

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witnesses there was Tom Mills. He had his kid there
with him and they were just having a meeting because
Baldwin actually was you know, his mother was a big
time real estate agent in the area and he was
He was also into that game as well. And Tom
works for him renovating some of his properties or just
doing them up. After tenants had left, the boys, Andrew

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and Crossy went out for lunch with Mark, and at
that lunch meeting, it was the orders were given from
Mark that this is the day we're going to kill Dick.
Why they went along with it? What was going on
in the head at the time, Well, I know that
Crossy was very highly manipulated by Mark. Crossy had learning disabilities,
came from a terrible by all that's going to come

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out of the Docku series because it's given his whole
life story. I actually met up with Yeah, I actually
met up with Andrew. I found him in the end,
and I've said this in many interviews. It took ages
to find him and a lot of pain as well
from for other people for me to do such a
thing right. And we spoke, and that was the last
thing I need. That that was the key to me,
because if his story matched up with everyone else's after

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all this time, that's all I needed. And I'm gonna
recall what he said in the docuseries. I was actually
parked outside another participant's bloody driveway at the time, you know,
and he was trying to get us to come in
because I'm once he sat outside for because I'm on
the phone to just you know, crazy. And then the
next thing, I'm doing an interview with this guy who

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knew Mark back in the day, back in Michigan, back
at you know, telling me the stories of Harry ripped
him off back in the day for money that he
lent him for a so called film project that never
saw the day of light. It was just another rip off.
But we're getting there's another story. So yes, they go
back to the house. I'm going to personify I think,
just really just keep it short right, But there were

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things that were done to Crossy in that house that
got him more agitated, that were done purposefully to agitate him.
Also done on the way to the garage as well.
So it was decided that you know, oh you know,
if I'm Crossy or mister Boorwen, can you show me
you're pushing your classic cars because you're only classic car
restoration shop. And yep, no problem. So Mark Crossy, mister

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Bolwyn head down to the garage and just left behind.
His orders are to ranset the place, find whatever you
can that's going to be easy to move, eaer to sell.
So they get to the garage, he's showing them the
cards and unfortunately, at that point the signal was given
by Mark, who stood six feet away, and mister Baldwin

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died horrifically, horrifically stamped on baseball badded screw driver as
a you know knife, and his last words were in
a gourgled sense as Crosses recorded, Why Mark, why I
remember the first time he told me how he murdered him.
I've never never interviewed a murderer before, and I just

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came off that cool feel friggin sick actually, and I'm
not saying that for any sympathy, you know, like, oh,
let's see how bad the story is. That's just how
it affects. I'm okay, now I've interviewed a few other
sens there, right, but it was, yeah, just just you know,
it's out of my reality, do you know what I mean?
Even the prison system is in the sense I mean

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going there, it's a different you know, different things. And
I was just going.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
To ask about that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
What was what was mark money motive? It's just purely money.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Money and his wife Karen Richards had no idea. They
had two mortgages against the house. There was they were
debted up to their eyeballs because he used to take
care of the money. So when mister Wan Richard says
that he was flush with money or he had money
in other projects, it's absolute bs. We'll get into that

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what I think of what's going on with Joanna in
a bit. So they then go back to the house.
Matt was in a bit of a state obviously, you know,
Andrew's like is it done? And there was obviously blood
splatter on the middle bit. They cleaned a lot of
the blood up at the garage, but you know, not
everything and uh and yeah for you know, a killing

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machine like Captain Mark Richards not is He was like,
it was just bloody awful. They then go in the
house Andrew shows them what he found, marijuana, guns, money
acrossy at the time, he's riding a bicycle outside or
some sort of moped. He's lost the plot. He's out
of his body almost, he's gone gone. And that day

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they go and purchase a boat. Johan won't speak about this,
she's got a round opinion like that. But when they
brought the boat, that was the first witness to be
brought in. Well, Tom Mills was one of them, but
the boat by owner who they saw the boat to
Andrew Mark Crossy buying the boat. They then take the

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boat Mark's truck. They put it out the driveway. They
clicked the body at some point sometime wrap it up
in plastic. Now the wrapping, I will say this, it
could have taken place with Mark and Crossy, but that
will be clear on the docks. I can't remember it

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or do you know what I mean? They wrap it
up in bamboo, in Qua's cable and in duct tape
that duc Tate was later analyzed to show that that
duc tate that was found in Mark's truck was had
the same exact same properties as that which wrapped the
body up. They then drive to Loch Lomond, which is

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a local yard in place where people have their boats,
and there's a security guard there. The security guard was
in another witness that witnessed them all come in. They
were all loaded with guns at the time, so if
that security guard had done anything wrong, he was number
body two to go in. They put some money under

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the office door. The security guard witnessed this and then
he left. You know, they just want to go fishing
like you do midnight. And then disposing of the body
was another fatal error where they couldn't get it to sink.
They were banging it with oars trying to get it down,
and you know, it just kept raising. And I would

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say cross he was the only one that wanted to
then take care of it, because Andrew and we're just
what's the right word I would use? They were the
They found it to be disgusting, which said a lot
about Mark, right, So they instructed Crossy what to do that.
They used an outboard motor with a chain that was

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too long. They tied the chain to the body, whacked
it down across it did with a few with the
oars or whatever. I think it was alls, and the
body eventually sunk. It was around and again dates are
just a bit foggy, but around July thirteen or just

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before that when the body raced because the chain was
too long for the for the ties that had changed, right,
and had it been shorter, this would have been much
more difficult to get these guys. So when the body
came to it was identified by Mum and denial records.
I mean, it wasn't in a great shape because not

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you know, the salt water already composed it. And I
mean Joanne said to me that, you know, because I
had to say these stupid questions to edbar Barian.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
One of the stupid questions were, well, Dick doesn't wear
This was from Juanne. Dick doesn't wear trousers. And I've
got the autopsy photos because maybe she had Mark's case,
but this this becomes foggy with her and on the
autopsy photos it shows him wearing trousers. Anyone that knew
Dick Dick wears shorts. I mean, it's just so ridiculous

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as if they didn't identify the correct body, do you
know what I mean? But then she lost the autopsy photo,
so you know, it's just one of those stories that
you can never back up or verify. It's just you know,
And that then started the process off of a week's
process of the cops eventually arresting Mark, Crossy and Hoover
as they drove out of Mark's house to go to

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the dump to dispose of the items in the back
of the truck. That was the other forends that link.
Other forends that links were mister Baldwin's stuff and property
drilled out as safe, which was witnessed not to be
drilled out, but witnessed by Andrew's Mark's old business partner
when he went into the garage once, you know, he
said who had drilled this out? And you know, Mark
and Crossy were like, yeah, we did, you know, where'd

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you get it from? Or we just found it, just
found mister Bolbwin safe, do you know what I mean,
just appeared. Yeah. So there were much of friends that
link to him, which in the end, the totality of it,
and thank God for our legal system over here, right,
you know, because if it had been just I mean
that they had prince handprints of bloody handprints of crosses
at the garage, but not marks. But that's that's expected.

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He's going to be I mean, you can't imagine this.
You know, there's been a lot of blood splat, wouldn't it.
There's been a lot of blood come from that body.
And if he was the one handling it, and again
like Mark good old Cowardy is, you know, makes it
so that you know he's always gotten out.

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gmail dot com. So and his actual was his actual
alibi on record that he was off.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
Yeah, well he never he never stood on retrial at all.
His lawyer, Shapiro knew better for him to shut his
mouth because the ovisly he wasn't right in the head
some respects, right, But he did stand that. He did
stand on on on trial in the court case just
once where a lady called Linda Lyips, who was a
sand San Francisco native, I think she was. He was

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dating her during the trial. She had seen his picture
in the in the paper because it was all over
the place. It was a famous case, right, And we've
got so much paper newspaper art cup that took ages
to go down to the local library San Francisco and
Marine County to get all that because you have to
go back to the archives and do it all manual microfilm.
It was all good fun, but it was exciting when
we were finding it, right, and there's so much more

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we've got. And yes, she identified him as as a
Belizian ambassador Francisco. I'm going to say Ragazi, I want
to say. And when they had him on the stand,
he then admitted that he had used that name falsely,

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that he wasn't a believe in diplomat. And what was
really concerning to them was his mother's gun was in
the glove box, and that's that's what they were concerned about.
And so yeah, that's the only time I think he
ever told the truth stood the stand. But yeah, there's
way too much linking him to this basically. And yeah,

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I mean to say, so he's saying that he's saying
that he was off planet. Well, first of all, so
in the court case, it actually never came up where
he was Okay, but he wasn't there, right, But in
the journalist not carry Cassidy, she would say that his

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story changed from what Juanne put out there as to
be an off planet as if that's you know, acceptable,
to then having tea with his parents. So, and another
one of Juanne's excuses is that, you know, there were
you know, the boys, and then we're at a party
and they just they adored Mark and they just wanted

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to please him. What can we do to please you, Mark?
How can we how can we be you know, how
can we do anything more for you? It's like, we
know you hate Dick, we know you think he's a
faggot and a peace far and all that. Can we
just get rid of him? No, boys, don't do that.
Don't do that, you know that kind of thing. So,
and I just want to make a point about the
Peter fart Apart when interviewing the police officer that I

(01:31:14):
should just say this actually as they were escaping in
as they were coming out in the in the in
the car pulling the boat or yeah, I'll call it
a boat right now. And that boat's still out there
as well. Actually it still exists till today. Someone's got
the murder boat right and we are trying to trace it.
I'm gonna hate to make that phone call, but it'd

(01:31:35):
be great to get pictures of it. The police were
laying in wait, all guns are blazing, you know. There
was many officers that arrested them. And as cars as
as Mark's truck's going, Mark jumps out of the bloody
truck to get away. Cross he has to grab the
steering wheel and then they paus it to a stop.
I mean, this is marked, you know what I mean.
You don't talk about this. No one talks about this stuff.

(01:31:56):
It's just buried in you know. But actually Crossy Hoover
was the one that took just done. I do believe him. Anyway,
going back to the police officer, we asked him, you know,
Joanne on my interview and on many other shows, because
this is national and international. She's gone conferences and radio
shows where you know, mister Baldwin was pedapharm right, making

(01:32:17):
child porn in his house. Now, when asking the detectives,
they were like, hang on a minute, what kind of
reality are you in? Do you not think that that
would have been in the court case? You know that's
the cops answer when I put it to Berber and
he's like, our suspects coming all colors, all shades, and

(01:32:38):
we have to do background checks. And there was no
background There was a background check that he was not
in the in the services at all and absolutely was
not making child porn. Now, this was a thing that
Mark said in the as time went on. You know,
it was never said a court case. But Joanne, you
gotta watch it. And I keep saying this to you.
Just stop calling him a pedo. Soon some Baldwin's alive,

(01:33:01):
you know that, you know, you know she goes to
the parole hearings and she will know about this, and
it's up to you. But I think you're gonna stop
it because legally she's gonna go she's gonna go off Dea.
You know she is Johanna. You know she's shut the fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Up, right, oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Now I want to get into who Joanne was and
how she comes into this, because this is another just
insane part. But as far as Mark's version of the
story and the information that he was giving people, especially
Carrie Cassidy, about his experiences in the space program and
all his travels and all this, it's pretty incredible story.
And it seems it would take a pretty good imagination

(01:33:39):
to come up with this stuff. And I'm just wondering
for that time period in the eighties, how you know,
or even later nineties, you know, how did he how
do you think he came up with this grand story?

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
Well, he was went into Star Trek and Star Wars.
When the cops removed over twenty one thousand items of evidence,
he had written the book, well, the book serious seven
books series called Pendragon. It wasn't published, and in those
seven other volumes it does talk about the takeover and
succession of Marine. Of course, Juanne's published book one doesn't

(01:34:15):
talk about that at all, And then I mean I would,
I don't know. It's just not a very good it's
a difficult reader. It's not a very good book. So
it does make me think, how did he come up
with what he has done. But yeah, they removed that.
There was all sorts of paper clippings that he had
in these filing cabinets, files on people, files on George Lucas,

(01:34:38):
files on all sorts of people. Right and at that time,
you know, George Lucas ILM was just around the corner
from that area where he lived as well. He actually
in his seminary score he actually back in the day
had a thing called Future Castle that he was going
to set up with a guy called Ross Blam. Ross
Blum has been interviewed extensively and and you know they

(01:35:01):
had the idea of inviting, you know, George Lucas, that
George Lucas was going to be a part of this
future saw and when people investigated it and asked George
Lucas eventually because he was a protapolo guests back at
that time, Yeah, it was just nonsense, you know, just
you know, everything's a fantasy with Mark, everything's a fantasy
just to gain money. I don't think he's had a

(01:35:21):
proper job in his whole life, to be quite honest
with you. Well he does now in prison, he works
in the optics and he was working in.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
There seems to be a pretty good con artist. I mean,
playing off ambassadors and secret space soldiers.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, not that good at murder, let
me just say that, right, or covering up for himself,
but yes, that fantasy side. He waited till his mother
and father were dead. The year is and I might
be off here just by a year, but the year
his mother eventually passed away with dementia. Joanne had met

(01:35:56):
him in ninety seven, and she'd become like she had
I'm going to use the wrong word here, but it's
it's almost like a power attorney. But it's it's not
that word at all, but it's it's she mom had dementia,
so she had the power to you know, control her money.

(01:36:17):
She came onto the trust for the house.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
And how did Joanne actually, you know, discover Mark and
get involved with him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
She doesn't really want to go into that too much.
I know, I never feel she does, right, But she
had already been talking and being friends with a number
of inmates, and which is a little bit odd, right.
She was into, uh, I guess advocate kind of things
for other inmates, right, And the person Connie who she

(01:36:47):
was living with at the time, Connie knew what Connie was.
Dayed someone in the jail that Mark was at, and
Connie was introduced to Mark's mum in one of the
meetings and went back to Joanne and said, hey, look,
you know through this Mark's mum, I've met Mark and
he's intelligent, he's everything you know, you should go see him.

(01:37:08):
And she initially started writing to him. And what Mark does,
he's very good at is he Camellias. He he's everything
that you are, everything that that that you know, he.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Wanted to be yeah, yeah, yeah, and he.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
Pulled her in. I you know, I'm not saying that
there wasn't some love there, but I think he needed
someone to look after mum. I think he would rather
have given a portion of the house away to to give,
you know, to make him look credible to be married.
I think getting married hill look credible in the eyes
of other people, and it gave him more rights inside

(01:37:44):
to be married because the wives, the wives of a
of a inmate, you know, have certain rights or can
do certain things for them. So it just it just
propelled from there. And then they started they started some newsletters,
mainly on prisoners rights or I want to say environmental issues,

(01:38:13):
snake bites, really weird stuff, right, wrote book on snake bites.
I believe whether that's we're going to confirm that with Joanne,
even though she's not talking to us. She actually today
is talking to us by email. But I don't, I
don't say there's no future there. I don't. I don't feel.
And at some point, many years after the marriage, he

(01:38:34):
then drip feeds her his secret space program stuff and
having that Mormonism background, because in that in the Mormon religion,
there there there there is an astral sort of space
element to the religion, right, so it wouldn't have been
completely too far off for her, and I think she is.

(01:38:55):
She was absolutely besmittened by him. Absolutely. She is now
the new cross in Hoover two point zero. She's replaced
Crossy of nineteen eighty two. And for her, nineteen eighty
two never happened. I guess that's got to be a
merchandise T shirt for this Docky series, right right, you know?

(01:39:16):
And yeah, and then as soon as momad passed, Bang
get to the UFO conference, and I think what she
did was when she reported back to him, he saw
the niche that he could fit into. And he you know,
he's done many quite a few books, and you know,
there's I've also spoke to other inmates who were science

(01:39:39):
fiction writers that knew him and Mark would comment on
their work, and they would comment on his. I think
it's been you know, this is a long term build. No,
why do it? Is it just Is it just a
piss take? Is it he knew he's so institutionalized, he's
never getting out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Is it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
He's bored? Is it a mental issue? Whatever it is,
it's not what Joanne thinks it is. And I've said
recently in other interviews that you know, I went through
my own mental abuse, right, and I just have started
to see it a little bit differently that I do
feel that she's mentally abused. She went through six well

(01:40:24):
so she cot seven including Mark we think, but six marriages,
and they were well, I can't think they were all abusive,
but there was a number of them that were abusive.
So she's just on abusive husband number seven. It doesn't
have to be physical. This is completely mental manipulation. You
speak to Cross and Hoover, which she will never do.
She doesn't want to know about it. I would if

(01:40:44):
I was going to marry someone I'd want to know
all the size. And she defends into the hill, and
I guess because she's got the house and maybe she
knows he's never going to get out, or maybe she
is so bersmitsted she wishes he could. He's got a chance.
He can get his sentence to twenty five to life. Okay, wait, yeah,
you can get it. On top of that, he's got

(01:41:04):
to still pass the parole board. He's got to say
he's guilty of what he did. He's got to show remorse. Now.
He's either going to act it out, which is fine
because he's still admitted to it. That's fine, or he's
not going to because his narcissism and sociopath aspect of
him is we're not we can't do that. Or he

(01:41:27):
gets so far and he's messed himself up completely. Because
this will come out in the pro board here. I
just know it well. The pro board know about me
for Crossy, they know about the docuseries. They've used it
against Crossy. You know in that pro board here, I
get what they're trying. I get it. It's their job
to make sure these people are safe to be back

(01:41:49):
into society and everything else. I get it right. They
can't go making mistakes. They know better than we do.
They've dealt with many cases. I mean, so many pro
board here in cases get heard throughout the week. It's
just incredible. It's incredible. Right we look at the probot.
I'm like, wow, this is another universe in its own right,
you know what I mean. It's really sick. That's the

(01:42:12):
way I find it right now, because God, yeah, well
I just find it that that people I went I
spoke to some of the event organizers for events that
she goes to the and they're like, yeah, I've got
it recorded. We don't care. That's boring, that's what they
said to me. That's boring to look into the truth
what malas is they're allowed freely to express their opinion

(01:42:34):
and we're not going to stop them. And that's not everyone,
but that's a small fraction of of the people out there.
Not everyone's in that same branch. There's lots of good
people in this industry. But I think if this is anything,
this docu series, it's the first docuseries and at least
a little bit of discernment that just because someone like

(01:42:56):
crazy carry Castley or swear carry Cassley has a big platform.
That does not mean that you should trust wackos right right,
you know, but it gives you that enticement that, well,
they must have done the homework, they must know what
they're talking about. I agree with them, and he says,
and these other whistle blowers will back them up. Well,
if you look at some of the whistle blowers that
Carry has had on a sight, let's just mention Bill

(01:43:18):
broock Brader and the raping anally of a young girl
that he was sent down for. Yeah, uh good one. Carry. Yeah,
I guess that don't matter, does it, because you get
the views anyway, don't you got the money for the videos. Next, well,
that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Next is Mark's other biggest fan and supporter, Carry Cassidy.
Like I said, I used to listen. I was intrigued
by Project Camerla for a long time. I was kind
of very interested in the information that was coming out,
always you know, very agnostic to it, and I used
a critical thinking. But this was an interesting story to me,
and I you know, I followed it for a long time.

(01:43:58):
I even had joining on back in the day. And
it was after that that it just you know, all
fell apart in my mind, I you know, had the
clarification and knowledge that this is you know, this was
not at all like they're being told and this guy
is definitely guilty of this. But as far as Carrie,
how did she get involved with Mark? And she she

(01:44:21):
got so deep into it that she defends it to
this day.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
Right, Well, she's done a book on it. You're gonna understand,
you know, not only she has done a book on Mark,
there's the next Mark Richard's show coming out soon, the
next Total Rico coming out. She's heavily invested in this guy.
This is her top whistle blower. Okay. And so when

(01:44:46):
I was baying the UK after first meeting Jeff, got
on the phone to her that phone calls out there.
At the end of the phone call, she told me
to go see someone called Julian Soul. Julian Sault was
in the UK. So I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna get get in the car and I'm going
to travel. Well, you know, it was a long distance.
I mean, even though the UK is tiiny, you know
compared to America, right, it was still a long journey.

(01:45:08):
And I was so ill when I got there, I
remember that, Oh my god, I was in a bad state.
I was. I forced myself to be in front of
Julian and it was incredible. He had gone to see Mark.
I think at least twice. I might be wrong there.
We'll have it right in the document series. And he
had been right into him for many years. This was
a scientist and he was blown away at this scientific

(01:45:31):
material that he was sending him. Well, unbeknown to Julian
that you know, Juanne Richards has a book publishing company,
and of course that is a way to get material
into the prisoner, right. And you know in other people
that I've met, you know, Mark talks about in letters
to them that he has a pluthura of so much
material around him, do you know what I mean. So

(01:45:52):
it's you know, unfortunately, you know, Julian was canned. He
Julian actually lost his relationship over this Mark Richards. He
told me that when I went there, because his wife
didn't want this anymore and he lost his wife and kids.
And you know, if you ever get to speak to me,
we will talk about that. I mean, he's it's you know,
there's nothing positive, Well, there is a positive side for
Julian here, actually he learned a lot from this, learn

(01:46:16):
a lot from this. There's always a positive side. Even
for Joanne, even though she's on the wrong side. That's
exactly where she needs to be because the lessons that
she's got to learn in this lifetime, there's no way
to learn him except for the path that she's on,
and she's on exactly the right path. So I'm with
Julian and he tells us the story of how he
met Kerry Cassley. I want to say, back in two

(01:46:38):
thousand and seven, she wasn't very approachable to him because
he was so unamored right with this guy that she
thought he was some crazy British guy trying to tell
you know. She was like, get to the point kind
of thing, do you know what I mean? You can
imagine an Yeah, And he tells her about Mark Richards
and that he is well worth going to see. So
it was him he actually funded a lot of this

(01:47:00):
serious to begin with, which is crazy because I think
he felt so betrayed that because he was actually going
to give Mark hundreds of thousands for a new new lawyer.
Mark did the right thing and taught him no. Because
Mark knew that if he started digging into it. One,
there's no help up in hell, right, there's no he's pasted.

(01:47:21):
All is habeas is. He's passed his appeals, right, and
you know it would expose the true story, right. So
that was the one good thing Mark did actually for Julian.
And so it was Julian that brought Kerry to him.
But the crazy thing about the whole Kerry thing is
she knew about the murder. I think that's why she
felt that he was a bit crazy because she'd heard.

(01:47:41):
She knew about this murder because she lived there back
in the day when she was younger, and it would
it was big news. It was even on TV. We're
trying to get the TV footash, but the eighties selection
that we're looking for is so such in a bad state.
But we're still trying. We're still even for radio broadcast.
We're still trying for the lives. So it's crazy that
the guy that funded heart fund well mostly funded it,
but I'm now funding it now and we've got to

(01:48:05):
arrange something that there's a you know, that money's got
to be paid back at some point and we are
over over time, you know, and everything else with this
right now. But yeah, she he introduced her, but also
that she knew about it. She then goes and checks
it out, and I guess she thought, oh my god,
we're on to a winner here. I totally believe the
intuitions kicking in. Yes, yes, it's all true. It's all true.

(01:48:25):
My intuition is telling me the court case is all
BS because you can't believe that because the nartists are
behind everything. I'm crazy carry Cassidy, this is great, right,
But why does she name it Project Camelot? That that's interesting?
That is you know, I know there's a because it
was all Martin was obsessed with Camelot back in the day.
This murder was all the cult pen Dragon. Pendragon's based

(01:48:49):
on the Artherian legend. Right, I think it's King Arthur's father.
Don't quote me, and the King Arthur stuff comes up
all the time in crosses par But if you look
back at the legacy court case files which we've got,
and we've got marks, habeas and everything else, right, it's
it's prevalent, right. It was even when we went to

(01:49:09):
the next door neighbor of Joan Richards and he showed
us looking through the sea through fence, the Wi mesh
fence between his house and Duans. Mark's original castles he
built as a kid, and then there's there was castles
in the next door neighbors garden from Mark as well.
I mean, he had a room called Tiny Town which
his mother decorated in the theme of King Arthur. It
was very prevalent, very prevalent. So you know, you mix

(01:49:33):
that with something else that's a disease of the mind,
which he currently is a disease of the mind for
Joanna in my opinion. But you mix up with the
disease of the mind of whatever Mark had going wrong
with him, whether that's through nurturing or nature whatever, right,
how this mental illness comes about whatever, this is associate
path definitely, but whatever whatever caused it, then you've got

(01:49:56):
a lovely concoction then and you've you've got a reason.
I have a cops thank god.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
So carry she has a huge following for Project Camelot
if you're not familiar, and what she's done with Marcus.
She goes to the actual prison and she somehow sits
down with him and I don't know what. She's not
allowed to record him or write, so she just kind
of recalls everything that they talked about, which probably isn't

(01:50:22):
the best if you're going to be presenting you know
this important.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
He won't go on the phone, But he won't go
on the phone. Just really going to say he won't
go on the phone because if it's ever brought up
in a parole here and if he gets a commutation,
then it's it's like he said it. See he's it's
all through the mouthpiece, which is his wife. It's hands off.
And if it came to pro he's going to say,
I don't know what my wife was doing. I never
I don't have a clue what she's up to. I

(01:50:47):
never said nothing. Prove it? Do I put my name
is Captain Mark Richards on the letters to curiosity? Don't
think so? Do I put it on my certificate that
was validated, you know by my other inmates, and I
put Captain Mark Richards. But I put Mark Richards. Sorry,
So I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Man, Red flag after red flag? Now, she said she
she even wrote a book about this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Right. Yes, needs all the corrections, and the people working
with me have already done the corrections for her. She
wants it, they'll send it in. They were just bored.
The grammar corections of her book is terrible for at
least And that's the really funny thing about Kerry Cassidy.
She talks about having a film degree, she talks about

(01:51:33):
other degrees, but then I think she's only got an
English degree. I do. I don't think she has a
film degree, and we're checking into that because she was
interviewed by a certain person and she gives a totally
different background on to what she's really got. I think
it was a slip. I don't think she's who she is. Well,

(01:51:56):
she used to be called carry On until she changed
the name to Kerry Cassidy because she felt that that
was more of a Hollywood kind of media kind of name.
Do you know what I mean, nothing wrong with that,
but well, she's an interesting one. She you know where
here's her discernment got Well she's doing right now with QAnon.

(01:52:18):
She's verified one O Savan and he's already been, you know,
properly verified as being an absolute fraud. I mean she's
verified him about four times. But she's on the qu'anon train.
Got to give it to the lady. I love women
to go out there and makeenance make it. She's she's
monetarized herself past YouTube. It must be a struggle offerer
because YouTube is where the actual traffic is because it's

(01:52:40):
all part of Google, right, She's doing it and she's
gone on the Quon train because that's where the money
is and that's where It's been a bit of a
rife between Joanne Mark and Kerry because of the support
for Trump, who she claims are still in power. And
then you've got Sion Parks who came along who included
himself on this document. Well done, Simon, Well done, bro.

(01:53:02):
But you know, don't you, Simon? You know, bro, you
know that that we're going to have a meeting. You
know it's going to happen, of course it is. Do
you think do you think we're not investigating you? Do
you think that we're that that you've not got your
own part in this and an edded added docuseries as well,
just for you because you have you have If you're

(01:53:23):
going to come on talk your ship where you say
that you met someone in m I six down in
London while drinking hot chocolate, I shouldn't forget that because
we need to know that. And he confirmed to you
that parts of the story from Mark Richards all right,
Oh dear, oh dear. See, all the whistleblowers are just
absolutely they've all got criminal histories. And I think she

(01:53:45):
gets off on that, but look at it. To me,
I can't work it out. But no, actually, i'll tell
you what it is. The more criminal history they've got,
the more believable they are.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
I don't know how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Look, I don't want to be too It just gets me,
does it gets me? And I should I tried not
to do this right, but I think doing it the
long and no one wanted to hear about it, and
people saying, well, it doesn't matter. It's such a small story.
No one cares about it. Guess what they're going to care?
But then I think to myself, shit, have I just
given him the airtime that he wants? And that's what
he wants. He enjoys this because where's Mark and all this?

(01:54:19):
He ain't here today, He's not, He's no, he's We're
doing all this talking for a guy that's never once
committed anything anywhere. It's all through Joanne, right, and and
you know, yes, I've been nasty towards I'm sorry for that,
I'm not saying something that I don't mean. I just
see it differently as I've gone on this process. I
shouldn't have done that. I lost my temple with her

(01:54:41):
a few times. Yes, I did turn up undercover at
a conference. As if I'm going to attack you on stage.
What I've got a well that's not me anyway. But
I've got no interest in getting arrested. I mean, for
you to say that that I, you know, was almost
gonna charge towards you or whatever it is you said,

(01:55:03):
that's nonsense. No one stopped me coming towards Yeah, yes,
I shouted and everything else, and yes I left. But
then you called the cops because it's just that little
thing just to you know, to say, look, I've tried
something to shut them up. Do you know what I mean?
I mean the cops. I mean I contacted the car
she's got. I've got the record, which is gonna go
on the docu series as well. It doesn't it's it's
all good. I mean. Should I have gone to that conference,

(01:55:24):
probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
We got to talk about the conferences and the kind
of deception and the people infiltrating the UFO community because
I talk about this a lot, and it's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
I stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
I used to cover conferences. I used to cover the
UFO Mega Conference. They you know, they used to compensate
me to go and help out written and interview people. Well,
I can't do it anymore because I've seen the fraudulent
nature of what goes on there and the people that
they just let, they just allowed without vetting, with finding
out anything, just allowed them to go on stage and

(01:55:58):
spit out such nonsense to people.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
I can't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
You know, I don't go to conferences, and I'm very
careful about some of the people in the UFO community
that I've been interviewing lately, just because it's gotten I've
just realized how much fraudulent activity is going on here,
how much nonsense, misinformation, people being inserted in the UFO
community just to cause misinformation, People from three letter agencies

(01:56:26):
that are just trying to make this whole thing even
even worse and muddier. So it's a very like you said,
it's convoluted this whole subject, and there are players in
here that are very predator like and you have to
watch out for, and you have to watch out who
you're getting involved with and what you're reporting the UFO
community has become pretty disappointing lately to me.

Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
Yeah, that's sad, isn't it. I mean, back in the
day when I started, I shouldn't use it. But it
wasn't even that long ago, right, But I don't there wasn't.
There was the old boys there, and a lot of
them were really good, really good, And I think there's
a lot of really good ones there now, I really do.
I think we're all we all deserve a second chance. Right.

(01:57:10):
Some of the people walking into eupology have all got
a background, so have I. Right, you know, we've all
we've all done things that we're not proud of. And
you know, I mean, look, if we're gonna I don't
think it's see. I don't want this to come over
and I'll say this, this is not this is what
I'm doing here, and it's sort of got connects to

(01:57:30):
what you're saying. I'm not out to attack anyone. It's
just what it's called as accountability, that's all. I know.
I sounded very attacking there to Simon Parks. But we've
got some personal things to sort out, right, But it's
not attack I'm not coming after Simon with it's accountability, right.
And I think if you're going to have the the

(01:57:52):
honor of creating an audience, no matter how big, right,
and and you're gonna go up there and and tell
FIBs these people love you, where's the love back to
them for doing that? But they're not thinking like that, right.
I think some people with mental health issues it's it's

(01:58:16):
you know, you're dealing with something else said, do you
know what I mean? I hope there's not that many
in this field, right, But I'm sure, as you say,
the agencies and stuff do put disinformation purposely into the field.
I get that, right, of course. Let's just hope there's
a I'm sure there is more genuine people then there is,

(01:58:41):
you know that are out there for other.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
Reasons, unless with mental illnesses as well, that are trying
to just come out there and give lead, live their
fantasies on stage.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
Well, I think we can all suffer from mental illness.
But you know, myself and you and other people have
got the ability to self correct, right, Yeah, yes, I
agree with you. Yeah what you just said. There as well,
there's egos as well. There is another side to the
ego side, the egotistic side, and the money train as

(01:59:12):
well for some people. Yeah, I think doing the job
that you do as well, where you're interviewing people, it's
very difficult. It is because you know, you don't have
much time preparation work. You're doing everything from uploading to
editing to getting the next guests you guess on maybe
you know whatever it is right and problems and trying

(01:59:36):
to make a living from it, right, which is what
you should be doing. Yeah, and or balancing workload as
well if you've got a family. For some of us, right,
it's a lot. So I get it that how you know,
you know, how can you you know, as you did
with Joanna, you know, you do the best job you
can do. You're polite to them and you you know,
you let them tell their story. But with my with

(01:59:58):
this now to a point where people are interviewing and
there's so much out there for what I've done, I'm like,
how can these people possibly not come across just one
video of just typing Captain Matt Richards. You gotta see something,
surely that's a red and if you haven't fair enough, okay,
But I you know, I do tend to think that

(02:00:18):
it's a difficult one, isn't it. You know where I'm
coming from.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Yeah, Well, we're living in uh, pretty incredible times right now,
where it seems the truth about everything about our reality
is slowly seeping out and we're just we're in a
kind of age of awareness and awakening and people are
looking for the real truth behind everything, and this this
whole thing that we're talking about falls into that. You know,

(02:00:43):
this has been going on for many years, decades, this
this kind of false lie, and people in this community
are they're tied to this story. They're emotionally involved with
it if they believe it. And you know, there's people
that honestly believe in a lot of this secret space
program stuff, which man, some of it is so incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
I'm sure we.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
Have extremely advanced technology, we may even have off planet operations,
but some of the stuff is so incredible and being
put out there, and people are becoming emotionally involved and
just misled, I think, and it's important that we have
to let people know about that, right I think?

Speaker 4 (02:01:20):
So, I absolutely, you know, and I guess that's why
I see myself going with the I and end to
be to do to continue that work as well as
my other work. I mean, look, it's a two edged
sword for me. You know, I do a lot of
challenging stuff right Just recently I've done more and more
and more, and that will come to an end at
some point. And you could say, well, okay, if you look,
I mean channeling, that's that's the fringe of any subject

(02:01:43):
right within this field. Yeah. But the one thing that
you know, that that I always try to get across
is that I try to get I try to get
the interviews from from a motivational point of like to
try to be the best you can do. And if
this is just one way to express asion of yourself,
that's the best best you. And to also know that
actually you don't need any channelers or anyone really, you know,

(02:02:06):
all answers lie within. But it's always nice to have
someone else to help you clean your house sometimes if
you're a bit stuck, right without any addictions to that,
because that can happen as well. Right, So I understand
my position and where I'm coming out. You know, people
can look at my stud and say him, do you
know what I mean? After doing that, I get it.
I get it. But I think we have a number
of purposes as well, and you know that that that

(02:02:27):
side is just just just one side. And it's been
very helpful to me, to be quite honest. But but
they're not asking you to start a colt or some
of them maybe, right, but majority you know that that
our genuine are are just there to get you to,
you know, see your potential within you, that everything that you,
everything lies within you are the answer in a sense.

(02:02:48):
Even in these times are great change right now. And
it's funny you mentioned that earlier on. These are times
of change and what's going on in the world. You
are right, the unraveling, but they're you know, just going
back to someone Parks when you and I don't mean
to make it all about him at all, but you
know he runs a big organization called Connecting Consciousness, and
there's so many lovely people in that group. I mean,

(02:03:12):
we're talking a lot, right that are completely misled by
false information. You think to yourself, well, you're so pro Russia,
You're so you know about you know, Russia is doing
a great thing. And you know there's people killed. I
guess you know they're just actors, you know, or you know,
or whatever it is or whatever is said, and you

(02:03:34):
do think to yourself, why would anyone want to promote
what you're promoting? And but people believe because a large platform.
Going back to Joanne Richards, I really am confused with her.
I can't work out if she's well, I know she's
I feel she's a victim of mental abuse. I don't

(02:03:55):
know if she's also a minute pulator and narcissist. I
don't know. I know Mark is the largest manipulator out
of their relationship. She would not think so. She thinks
I'm totally wrong about the mental abuse she she is
as a Mormon, when you marry, you marry forever, right,

(02:04:15):
so she as she says, she has to believe him. Well,
that's what you've got to do then, and maybe, you know,
maybe one day you'll be able to get her on
and she should be allowed to tell the opposing opinion.
But can you yes, you can? But what can really

(02:04:37):
be said when you know? And and to say that
everything none of this is factual? You know that the
interview I did with Ed Barbarian, the only comment she
had on it was that's interesting about the hears. I
didn't know that. Oh my god, how about all the
other stuff that he said as well in that video,
and I'll link the video down below as well. Yes,

(02:04:57):
I mean you know what that's all you took from it? Wow? Wow,
wow wow. How indoctrinated are you if that is the case.
And there's that side of me that Caesar is like
because she's I think she really believes what she's doing,
whether it's about helping you with it with his reports,
you know, filling in the blanks and everything else. How

(02:05:19):
culparable is she. I think she's happy where she is.
To be honest, she didn't want to be I mean,
no one marries someone inside unless you don't want an
normal relationship. And there's certain aspects of that relationship you
don't want. Yeah, there's all. And did she marry him
partly as well? Because she wanted to help him, like
she wanted to fix him in a sense. I don't know.
She'll never admit to that. I hope not, but it

(02:05:40):
can happen. We've all been there in some ways. I
kind of feel sorry for.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
Her, definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Yeah, I mean this is so incredible. It's such an
incredible story. I do want you to send me any
links you want me to leave in the description for
people that, you know, to catch up on the story
a little bit. Now do you know when you actually
plan on releasing the Dark And how much longer you got?

Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
Yeah, twenty twenty three, it's the latter part of twenty
twenty three. Ye were not going to twenty twenty four.
I have no ambition to doing that. We might be
doing a bit of actor recreation if we try to
set it to a larger platform. If we're not going
to go down that road, and we just release it
on the ice, and then so be it. That's so
it's going to go. There may be another documentary afterwards,

(02:06:28):
maybe depending what has with Crossing Hoover. But twenty twenty
three and it's been it's been long overdue, and I'm
going to do the best I can. I mean, really,
I'd love to get act to recreation because it just
adds that element to it where it just brings it's
a different value to it. Do you know what I mean?
It's it would bring it to life more. But do
we have the time. We're still stuck in post production

(02:06:49):
pre productionist shall I say? Or we're close because there's
just so much to it to get that timeline right,
even the timeline I sent you today isn't quite right,
so so yes, so there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
Anyway anyone the audience can help out or you know,
maybe donate or anything like that if they wanted to.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
Well if yeah, I mean, if they wanted to donate,
My PayPal is I want to say, Kevin at themoorshow
dot com. I will put the link in the description
just in case I've got that wrong. I should know
my own payper But there is one for Mark Riches
as well. There is a website coming up right now.
The website is captain Mark Riches dot com. That's all

(02:07:29):
about to change it as well. The website address won't.
But yeah, I mean, if people wanted to donate, then
please just get in contact with me. Yeah, that would
help so much right now, because you know, there's in
the post production editing stage. I mean, yeah, things cost,
don't they after affects music, color, creates, and there's a

(02:07:51):
lot to do with it still, so yeah, thank you
for that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
Yeah, I understand. I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
I'm trying to start my own docuseries. It's going to
be a travel and I can't even get started because
of gas prices, so I know exactly, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:08:02):
Yes, yeah, yeah, good luck with that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
Yeah, thank you so yeah. Hopefully we'll get started soon. Kevin,
this was fantastic, such important information for this community to know.
I'd love to definitely talk with you more in the future.
There's a lot more topics that we could definitely talk
about before you head out. Let the audience know where
they can find you, your social media, website, all the
good stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:08:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
If you just go to just to YouTube right now,
you're just typing the Kevin the More Show. Shall let's
say what you can type in the Kevin Moore Show
as well, but we've now put it back to the
More Show. Or if you just type in the ISNN
dot com you'll also see all the social media links there,
or just go to for this particular docuseres captain Mark

(02:08:44):
Richards dot com and keep an eye out for the
website updates.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Great, and I'll also have all those links for everyone
in the description so they can just click on it
as we go. Thank you so much, Kevin. Like I said,
we'll definitely have to do this again in the future.

Speaker 4 (02:08:57):
Thank you so so much.

Speaker 3 (02:08:58):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:08:58):
I really appreciate your your interfering skills and just giving
us your time. It means a lot, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
All right everyone, until next time, have an excellent evening.
We'll talk again tomorrow and we'll see yelled then

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