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show Lindsay Sharman. She is host of Rogueway's podcast, author

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of several books, educator and National Board certified teacher with
a master's in teaching. She is also a spiritualist and
experiencer of other realms via astral travel, dream walking, visions,
and interaction with other dimensional entities. Lindsey, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
How you doing fantastic? Chris. Is awesome to be here
with you in your exceptional audience.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Having always awesome to have you here. This is going
to be fun as usual. Today we're going to discuss
past lives and past life trum and up until a
few years ago, I had no idea that our past
lives could carry so much over and so much information
and baggage into this incarnation. And apparently it can cause

(02:13):
major mental, emotional, and even physical manifestations in this life.
So there's so much to this. There's a lot we
could get into before we do. For those out there
that may not be familiar with you, just tell us
a little bit about yourself, your content, and your spiritual work.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah. I am Lindsay Sharmon. I do the show Rogue Ways.
I'm a spiritual healer, spiritual teacher, and I came to
all of this begrudgingly. I would say, I've always been,
you know, into the spiritual and whatever, but as an
actual sort of I guess, you know, business or occupation
that was like very foreign to me, and but here
I am anyways doing it, and I'm so grateful because

(02:54):
I get to receive actually so much from doing this,
and I get to watch people transform their lives and
that's really great. I also write. I do channeled writings
through entities I've been interacting with my whole life, which
I call the spiritual ancestors, or sometimes I refer to
them as the wogis. And those beings might seem to

(03:15):
other people as though they're extraterrestrial. They present often, as
you know, lights in the sky and things that people
would call UFOs. So I have that relationship and what else.
That's good enough, I guess for now. I do a
lot as you do too. I know you're you can relate.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh yeah, a, it's good stuff. That's some of you
do some amazing work. Before we get too deep into this,
since you mentioned the wogies, maybe could you elaborate a
little bit on what you believe these beings are because
later on I want to circle back to this.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, so these you know, I started experiencing these these
lights in the sky, and so I assumed, as I
think most people would that this was alien craft and
you know, UFOs extraterrestrials. And it became obvious to me
eventually that they were could communicate and that they could
read my thoughts at they're telepathic whatever and whoever and
wherever they were from, and so I started trying to

(04:13):
interact with them on that level. And I don't really
consider myself psychic psychic, like it's not really clear to
me you know, what someone's thinking or you know, anything
like that. But I do consider myself empathic and as
sort of psychic. I receive images, impressions, and ideas, and
so as I was sort of like sending them, you know, questions,

(04:34):
I started to get like blinks in response. That was
the easiest way to receive information because it's visual, it's
like happening actually right in front of me. But years
into this process, I then started receiving you know, those
sorts of impressions and understandings and messages more clearly, and
really I had always been receiving that. But I think,
like a lot of us, we pack up a lot

(04:55):
of sort of like baggage and blockage between ourselves and
that side of ourselves. A our logical self and our
sort of right brained, maybe intuitive side of ourselves. So
as this relationship developed, I not only was growing my
skills and abilities, but I was coming to understand these
beings more. And to me, they're they're not physical. They

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we could call them. I think interdimensional would be a
best the best word for them. They're of consciousness might
be another good way of understanding it, or spiritual beings
some people might call them because of all of that.
So I understand them in all of those ways, and
I I have then also experienced, you know, intergalactic journeying

(05:38):
with them, which I think we've talked about on a
previous episode, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, these beings are would you consider them separate
from what you understand is your spiritual ancestors or spirit guides.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I do call them a spiritual ancestors, and they are
my spirit guides.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, so it is, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
But I don't I think that you could say that
about like Jesus or archangel Michael as well, right like
that could be a guide for somebody. And so I
see them as both really.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Right on, right on.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Now to get into the past lives and past life trauma,
how did you first become interested in start looking into
past lives and have realizations about that?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, it's it's really cool. Because I did not go
looking for it. I don't remember if I even believed
in it or not. I don't think I had like
an understanding of past lives. I have somewhat of a
Christian background, really loosely, and so if anything, I probably
had the idea that we just live once and go
to heaven or hell, right, if anything, if I had

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thought about it too deeply, and that didn't really ever
seem right to me. But I still don't think I
had like pondered past lives. But I had this, you know,
And it was during a dream. And people understand dreams
in various ways, and I understand dreaming as just another
layer of our consciousness, and that all of us go
traveling astrally every night. And some dreams are sort of
more mundane, and some are more profound, like actual experiences

(07:11):
we're having on a on a spiritual or a different
layer of conscious sort of level. So this was one
of those for me. And I always called these sort
of my power dreams, because I didn't I just needed
a way to differentiate them. From like the dreams we
have where we're just going through what happened in the day,
or you know, our fears or those types of things.
So I had this power dream you might want to
call it. I had this experience and it was really clear,

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as these dreams often are, it's almost lucid in a way.
And in this experience, I was watching cars go by
a random road I was just sitting on and all
of a sudden, like a window of Cepia tone opened
and as the cars would drive, they were like modern cars,

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but as they hit the Sepia toned window, they become
like horse drawn buggies, right, and like just I was
like what, And then they'd go through the other side
and be a modern car again. And so I understood
this cpatone window was like another time. And then I
moved into that cpatone window myself, so I understood I
was now in another time. And then I sort of
went into a building, and then I went into like

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a body, and I was in this body, and I
was looking in the mirror, and I understood myself, as lindsay,
having come to this time and into this body. But
I also then instantly like sort of almost lost that
understanding of myself and understood myself as this person looking
in the mirror, totally different person. This is like Western times. I'm,
you know, brushing my hair or something. My name is

(08:40):
like Elizabeth, like I just have my whole history is
like part of my consciousness, and I am this person
and someone walks up behind me, some small part of
myself almost saw them in my current life as lindsay,
as someone who's in my extended family. But I instantly
then also saw them as my husban in that life,

(09:01):
and I knew, and I was scared for some reason,
and I understood. I was scared because I was wondering
if my husband had learned about my lover. And I
don't even think I had actually engaged sexually with this
lover yet, but that we were like flirting and we
were connecting, and maybe I was thinking about leaving him
or I knew I had cheated on some level at least,

(09:21):
and I was scared that he had found out because
he was a very violent man. And it turns out
as he came up to me, he was sort of
lovingly caressing my neck and then he grabbed a knife
and cut it, So yeah, he had found out. And
then I died, and I died horribly and painfully and
suddenly and someone unexpectedly, And it had started with this

(09:43):
sort of light loving touch of my neck, right, And
then I left that realm and that understanding and that time,
and I came back to this and I woke up
and I was like, that was a crazy dream. That
was an insane dream. But I started to wonder, like
what really was that? Because I that person, and I
had all the memories and I understood everything about this life,

(10:04):
and I understood who that person the husband was and
all these things that had happened in our social you know,
all of this stuff, and I was like, maybe that
was me, Like maybe that was a life, and people
have talked about past lives and maybe we do have
past lives, and maybe this is it. And then I
started thinking more and I started understanding I had come
into this life with a hatred of anyone touching my neck,

(10:26):
Like if anyone came near my neck, I would like
freak out and like throw them away, you know, like
try to like escape almost like a traumatic response like PTSD, Yeah,
like a trigger. I started thinking like, well, that must
be what this is from right, because there was no explanation.
I'd never been like choked in this life or had
any sort of neck trauma, as lindsay, but I clearly

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did as Elizabeth in the Western Times, right, and it
and even you know, in my conception then, and I
still have some of this conception now, like even if
you don't want to think of that as a past life,
if you know, maybe there was some other level of
trauma or ancestral trauma that kind of was being triggered
and therefore then able to heal in this experience of

(11:10):
myself as this other person, I really believe and understand
it as my past life and that my soul has
gone through all of these incarnations. But I accept that,
you know, we have this collective memory, and we have
ancestral memory, and we have these other sorts of ways
that we might be able to understand this in a
different way if we want to. And I don't think
it matters too much, right, because in the end, the

(11:32):
results is the same. And the result for me was
that in experiencing that again and understanding that this is
where my own neck issues came from, I was able
to then release that and heal it. And now people
can touch my neck like you know, I don't have
that anymore, and whatever was stored in the physically, you know,

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has had been released. And I did forgiveness with that
person and that soul and that life and with myself
in that life and with myself in this life, and
just sort of allowed all of that to release. And
I think that's what any trauma requires, is that we
see it, we understand it, we accept it, and we
just allow it to be what it is. And that
understanding and allowance allows it to finally leave us and

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we can become healed and whole. So that was my
very first experience of a past life memory, and that
was the healing that it brought me. And it may
seem sort of simple, and you know, it's just a neck,
it's not that big of a deal. But there were
more profound experiences to come and more profound healings to
come in time. That was just sort of my intro.

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(14:04):
if you explored any further your own past life experiences,
but apparently you did.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah. Well, like everything for me, I didn't go seeking it,
but it definitely came. And you know, one of the
that one was pretty dark. And I think I've had
like eight or nine past lives come back to me
at this point. It just keeps growing.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And did they always come in dreams?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
No, I that one came in a dream, and maybe
maybe a few others have, but a lot more now
have come in what you know, sort of like a
trance or a spiritual state that I go into. You know,
I'm a shamanic healer and I do a lot of
spiritual work, and so I spend a lot of time
in meditation and that sort of space, and a lot

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of times when I'm just doing healing with myself, things
like that will sort of come forward. And one of
the most profound and I think experiences I've recall I
had was I remembered being a person in I'm going
to say, like the Middle Ages, I'm real bad with time,

(15:11):
and I'm really bad also with names. And it's so
funny because I am in conscious, waking life and always
have been, and it turns out that I'm also bad
at those things in the spiritual realm. So you know,
it does a change in that level. But you know,
if I'm going to say medieval times, the buildings were
all stone. I felt like we had like horses and
armies that had like lances and swords, things that I

(15:32):
right now would call medievals. So I was in this time,
and I was a man in this life, and I
was actually really horrifyingly experiencing this life as a torturer.
It was like my job to torture people. And if
I weren't so immersed in being that person, I would

(15:53):
have fled from that life and that memory instantly. If
I were more of like Lindsay consciousness, I would not
have even allowed myself to experience se because it's so
repulsive to me and reprehensible to me. And in this
current life, as Lindsay, it's one of my main like
moral questions is like how do people torture each other?

(16:14):
But like, how do you get to this point where
you would ever do that to something? This most heinous, awful,
just psychopathic thing, right Like I just can't even understand it.
And so if I would have had any of this
level of consciousness, I would not have been able to
even experience this life. But because in these memories and
these recalls. I'm so fully immersed in that life as

(16:37):
that person identifying as this. I was able to experience
it and live through it because in that life I
didn't have a problem with it. I was like, Yeah,
this is my job. This is what I do. And
not only is it my job what I do, I
kind of like it and I'm like honored by people
for it. It's like, you know, not everyone's capable of this,
So I mean I was like proud of myself. I

(17:00):
felt like I was doing this duty to my I
don't know if it was like a king or a
you know, duke orse, I have no idea, but whoever
the leader of you know, my army or my military,
my country was in that in that life, I felt
really happy for that, Like I'm doing this duty and
we need this in society, and we're purging the filth
and we're getting information we need and all of this.

(17:22):
I felt like I was leading this noble role. And
so I experienced all of that, experienced harming people, I
experienced enjoying it, I experienced, you know, feeling good about it.
And I also then experienced this really unexpected moment in
that life where I was torturing someone, and for some reason,
I like made eye contact with them, and I just
understood like what I was doing to people beyond the

(17:46):
physical right like on like a soul level. It was
like a spiritual experience, and it horrified me, and I
like lost my nerve for this, and I suddenly, have
you ever seen that is? I think it's a family
guy or the guys in prison, and he like stabs
himself and he's like, oh God, is that what I've
been doing to people this whole time? Like I belong
in here. It was kind of like that moment where

(18:08):
I was like, this is what I've been doing. This
is actually horrible, and something about me understood that the
harm like went beyond like I said, it was like
almost spiritual or like the emotional effect of it or
the mental effect of it. And I just had this
sort of like come to Jesus moment and I all
of a sudden, all of it hit me, like my
whole life and everything I'd done. And also some part

(18:30):
of this was the realization that perhaps the purpose for
which I thought I was doing this wasn't so noble,
wasn't so pure, My leaders weren't so you know, honest
or something. The cause wasn't so great after all. There
was something of that in it too, There was something
of seeing like the humanity in the person who I
was hurting. All of it sort of hit at once,
and I like lost myself and I became very scared

(18:53):
that I was going to be found out as like
a traitor right if I didn't keep torturing. But I
also like did not have the stomach anymore to keep torturing.
So I just went into this deep depression and rejection
of myself and I was going to kill myself in
that life. And it was so weird because at that
point I sort of left that consciousness of myself as

(19:14):
that person. I returned to my consciousness as Lindsay, and
I was there as Lindsay outside of this man who
I also was in that life, and I, as Lindsay,
was like telling him like, hey, it's okay, Like we
can actually forgive ourselves, like we can receive forgiveness, we
can heal this, we can release this, like you don't
have to kill yourself. And I know it's like overwhelming

(19:36):
right now, but it's going to be okay. And I
was trying so hard to help him see you know
that actually anything can be forgiven. And that was actually
kind of hard for me to even do because again,
as lindsay, I was like, I hate you, which means
I hate myself, which means like what does this mean? Right?
Like it's really really hard. I came back to this
consciousness and came out of that really deep maitation, and

(19:59):
I was like crying and upset, and because you know,
I don't know if people can relate unless they've experienced it,
but when you experience it as yourself, it's like it's
in you, just like if you did that in this life, right,
That's how it felt to me. So it was really
traumatic to even experience. And this has been how most
of my past life recalls have been really traumatic to

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experience and really negative things that I'm either doing or
that are being done to me, and that life, I
think the most out of all of them, was the
most horrific and traumatizing. So I kind of was, you know,
re traumatized. Again. It takes twenty days, I think, to
really deal with just that this had even happened. And

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then I started asking myself like why why did I
go back to that and why did I learn all
this again? And why did I re experience it? It
has to serve a purpose in this current life, or
else I wouldn't have done it. And I started thinking
about how my whole life I had had this sort
of preoccupation with trying to understand why people torture or

(21:03):
kill one another in horrible ways and what that really is.
And there I had experienced it, and I did understand it.
I understood how you could get to that point where
you felt like it was right or good. So I
still didn't understand I still didn't experience like the psychopathy
of it necessarily, like just doing it for the joy
of it, But I did understand that doing it for
what you thought was a cause or a purpose, or
that it was necessary or that the person deserved it.

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And I really did believe that. So I could actually
understand that now, which in itself is healing in a way,
because in a way, now I have some level of
compassion for people who are doing that in this world
to other people for similar reasons. I can understand how
you make the mistakes in your mind and your heart
to get to that point. I still can't relate to

(21:45):
doing it because I'm not in that place anymore, but
I can understand having been in that place is how
you could confuse yourself to that point and get to
that point. So that's kind of worthwhile in itself to
understand it, you know, someone else's experience that I couldn't
previously understand. But another part is I remembered. And this

(22:06):
is hard for people to understand sometimes too, but I
had never really forgotten, but I had just put it
out of my mind almost completely, that I had been
tortured as a small child in this life, as lindsay,
and this is actually the root of my own PTSD CPTSD,
to be precise. And I had sort of, like I said,

(22:29):
like not repressed it, but just put it out of mind.
There was nothing more to be done with it that
I thought I could do with it, and so I
put it out of mind until I went through my
own healing of CPTSD and other things. It just it
just stayed there. But at this moment I remembered, and
then that also unleashed all of this healing. Because I

(22:49):
was tortured by a dentist, which I have found since
many people were I don't know what that is. I
guess dentists are sometimes.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Right here actually or is it honestly yes, very much so, yeah, God.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
And it's awful because you're a child.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, that's why I help.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I have trouble going to the dinnis. I'm terrified, but
you know, something that happened.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, wow, I didn't know what happened to you, you know,
and it is I also can't. I shouldn't say I can't.
I have a really hard time going. Really goodness too,
like really yeah, because you know, and it's interesting too
because until I started healing from it, I could go
to the dentist super easily because I had put it
out of mind and I was really good at dissociating.
And then once I started healing all of this, I

(23:34):
was like, I can't go anymore because now it's like back,
it's in my consciousness and I like, I can't deal
with it. So it's really really hard. Well yeah, and
you know mine at least and probably yours too, Like
it was really obvious that he enjoyed it, you know,
and that he loved that I couldn't do anything about it,
and he loved prolonging it and it was awful, and

(23:55):
you know, my parents and maybe yours too, Like they
didn't believe me because I was so young. I just
thought I didn't understand.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
And also, this was one of my parents' kind of friends,
you know, they were acquaintances. So yeah, yeah, hell situation.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
They yeah, they choose their victims very intentionally. They're like,
here's a young one. And they're also like, yeah, their
parents are my friends or whatever. There's a reason mine was.
My mom this was the only dentist that would let
her make payments. We were very poor, and so we
had to go to that dentist and he knew it.
So yeah, So that all came back and I was like, well, man,

(24:33):
I mean like I also then understand. I'm still in
forgiveness of that dentist. That's a hard thing to forgive.
I have a little bit more understanding compassion because of
my own life as a torture in a totally different way,
for different reasons but somewhat similar. But I also had
this understanding because I always ask myself, why why did
this happen to me? Like I get the logical reasons why.

(24:56):
Like we just said, I was poor, my mom had
to go there all day. I was young enough. All
those things, but like, why as a soul did that
happen to me? Why did that have to go through
that in this life? And this helped me understand like, oh,
it's literally karma. I've I had been the torturer and
now I was the receiver of the torture. And it's
not like this punishment. It's not like this hard and

(25:17):
fast rule like you have to experience every single thing
you did, like in detailer, but there is something of
it that is like, yeah, your soul does want to
experience both sides of it actually, and we don't think
that in the moment. In the moment, it's hard to really,
I guess, except that your soul would even arrange that
for yourself, or that it would choose to experience such

(25:38):
a thing as torture. But for me, I started to
understand that my soul did actually choose that, and there
was a reason for it, and that it comes from something,
It was caused by something, and in this grand cosmic
sort of consciousness, higher level sort of way, it made sense.
And in the craziest way, that did help me release

(25:58):
a lot more of that trauma and really start to
deal with that more effectively. I can actually go to
the dentist. Now it's still very hard for me. I
have to work at it and really get myself through it,
and but I can do it, and it is easier
and easier as that heal. So there's another really extreme
example of a past life, you know, directly affecting this life,

(26:21):
causing experiences in this life, but also the recall of it,
allowing so much healing to take place.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Have you ever explored or is it possible do you
think to understand exactly how many lives we've have experienced?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
You know, there's this there's like which level of perception
are we are we going to look through? Right because
at the highest, highest, highest level, let's say, from whatever
we're going to call Source or God, we've experienced every
single life that exists in all of the multiple universes
and timelines, and right like we are all of that
r but as like this as this life is like lindsay, like,

(27:01):
how many lives has this aspect of source this soul experienced.
There's this conception that you have one hundred and eight
lives and you could be anywhere in that timeline of lives.
None of it's happening linearly though, So on another level
of conception, we're experiencing all one hundred and eight at

(27:22):
one time, which is also why we can remember them.
But you you know, some people might be if you
were looking at it more linearly on their like twelfth
life or you know, their five fiftieth life or their
ninety ninth life, or their like one hundred and six,
like you're almost done, right. And I think people who

(27:42):
are experiencing in linear consciousness closer to that one hundred
and eighth level are people who we look at and go, oh,
that's an old soul, this is a why soul, or
if this is a person who's really tapped in or
connected or really understands like who and what we are.
I think that's sort of true. And the people who
are at the other end, or the people were like,
oh my god, is that PERCEI even conscious? Are they
an NPC?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Like?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
What's happening over here now?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Is there a specific spiritual teaching that says that there
is one hundred and eight specific lifetimes?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, it's a it's like a Buddhist, Vedic sort of
Hindu It's it's over in those sorts of areas that
specific number has come up. Yeah, but it's not like
I don't I don't know a lot of people who
really get to like materialists or like, yes, it's exactly
one hundred and eight, and you know, I feel like

(28:32):
it's much more nebulous than this. So again, the way
I understand is like, right now, I'm Lindsay, and I
have this sort of string of lives that might be
one hundred and eight lives, and that specific stream is
like representing an aspect of the mass consciousness that is
creating itself and healing itself and discovering every aspect of itself,

(28:53):
But it is actually still just one strand of this
much larger consciousness too, right, and we're all sort of
moving that way or a part of that as well.
Is just again it's like which level do we want
to look at it from and what's actually helpful from
which to look.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
At Do you think that we have to experience lifetimes
as lower life forms like animals or insects and we
have to build ourselves up to humans that Oh.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I don't know if I believe that, but that is
part of that one hundred and eight okay, system of
why is it? Like you went through mineral and Amiba
and insect, and we have reptile and all of the
different things, and human is sort of the end result
of all of that, you know. And I would say,
at the very least, if that seems to be in

(29:46):
our genetic code, and so we would have memory of
it anyway, somewhere, we'd have experience of it somewhere within us.
I don't know. It's hard for me to conceive of
that as like a lifetime though. It feels more like
you would, like, I don't know, experience part of it
as like maybe each one of those is one lifetime,
like all the mineral consciousness is, like you experiences as

(30:09):
one or something. It's I haven't really looked too deeply
into it for myself, but that's sort of my feeling
about it.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Going through the experience of reliving a past life and
experiencing your own death, this is a form of energy
release to where it will help trigger the healing of
some of those traumas, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
It definitely brings healing of current life traumas, and just
even the understanding or the information of it can do that.
And that's why I started my guides and allies guided
me too offer past life readings and past life trauma
healing work because I don't necessarily I can't necessarily give

(31:00):
people that same type of reliving and immersive memory that
I've had, although anyone's capable of experiencing that, I can't
like trigger it for someone, but I can give them
the information and even the information I see people's lives
transforming just from receiving that, like you had this life
and here's how it was for you, and here's what
happened for you. And people receive that and they're like, oh,

(31:20):
I mean, this makes more sense now, and I understand
this aspect about myself. And I've always wondered where that
came from, and now I know. And that level of
healing is also really powerful. And so I think whether
it is triggered for people spontaneously like it has been
for me, whether you receive that information through like a
reading like I offer people, or I've received past life

(31:41):
readings from other people too that have been really helpful
for me, and just the understanding just the information can
can help you receive that healing or release some things
that you may have been holding on to, or unleash
some things that you were maybe repressing about yourself, right,
that can happen too, and all those types of healings
can be a part of this. I also think for me,

(32:03):
at least, you know, the spontaneous memories I've had, they've
come at pretty specific times, and when I look back,
I can see it's like they came at the moments
where I was ready to understand them and integrate them
and release what was ready to be released and do
that level of healing. So I know some people sometimes
are like, well, I want to do this and I
want to experience this, and I'm like, I don't know.

(32:25):
I think you should just trust your soul as a plan,
because it's always been really hard for me. It's not
like what we just talked about. Those two lives were
easy to experience and they weren't easy to heal. You
know what was in this life, as lindsay, as a
result of either. So I'm not saying you want to
avoid it either. I'm just saying, like everything happens for
a reason. I think people should just trust themselves and

(32:48):
trust their soul in that. And same with if you're
called to do like a reading with myself or other
past life readers or healers, you know. I think you
trust that you feel called to that for a reason too.
It is time for you to learn something else, and
integrate something else and release something else.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Have you ever consciously gone in and attempted to extract
a past life memory.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
For myself?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yes, for yourself, No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I work with myself on a very just open ended way.
Like my way of working with myself is to go
into that state of you know, spiritual connection, deep meditation
or whatever people want to call it, and just say
to my GUIDs and allies like all right, like what now,
what do you want to do today? And I do
that for a really specific reason. It's because the times

(33:40):
in my life where I've tried to push something or
for something, it has not been as good. And the
times where it has just spontaneously sort of happened, it's
been profound over and over and over again. So I
have this ultimate level of trust in my guides and
allies and in my own soul that you know, what
needs to happen will happen, and that I don't have
to ever push it or guide it. It will just

(34:01):
occur when I give it space and time. And that's
actually the way I work as well with people. And
this is why some people will ask me like, oh,
can I come to you for medium ship stuff? Can
we contact you know, one of my past on loved
ones or whatnot? And I always say maybe, right, I
don't know, because I have had people who have passed

(34:22):
come through tarot readings and past life readings and you know,
guidance sessions that I do with people and different healings,
but I don't do it on purpose. And that's confusing
for some people because there's so many people who do
and they're like, I am a medium or I am
a past life reader, I am this and that, and
I'm like, I'll do this session with you. It'll be

(34:42):
this long, and I know healing and blessings and stuff
will happen, but I don't know exactly what it's going
to be. And sometimes we do see past lives for people,
and sometimes we see people who have passed on, and
sometimes there are spiritual guides and allies come through, and
sometimes a massive blessing will happen, and sometimes a physical
healing will happen. But the truth is is that I
don't know what's best for you, but your spiritual guides

(35:04):
and allies do, and my spiritual guides and allies do.
And so if we just open that space and go
in like exactly, the right thing will happen. Which is
not to say I don't get specific. You know, when
I do a past life reading, it's a past life reading.
We're going to see your past life. But what will
happen you know, because of that or in connection with that,
or what blessing energy or messages will come through, or

(35:24):
whether or not a past on love one will come
through along with that. That's all kind of up to
you and your soul and your spiritual guides and allies.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Have you experienced or helped anyone experience a level of
physical healing from a past life trauma.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Physical healing form passive trauma. I know that physical healing
has occurred for people, but I'm trying to remember like
a specific example that would be good.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I remember I had a guest talk about that in
one of they were helping someone that in their past
life they were or I believe, shot in the neck
or shoulder, and in this life they had extreme shoulder pain.
And when they did the regression and went through the
whole lifetime and death, they came back and the shoulder
pain was gone, which is pretty incredible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, it's so interesting because I'm not remembering at the
moment any specific people I've worked with, which isn't to
say it didn't happen. I just that's how my memory works.
But I am remembering one of my own. Another past
life resulted in a physical healing for me my right shoulder.
Speaking of shoulders, it's actually like under the shoulder blade,
so whatever that is right, like in the scapular sort

(36:37):
of area, like at the towards the spine and doubt anyway,
I have this really constricting mess of i'll say, like
fascia muscle and nerve that's just like all compacted or something.
And I have really severe back injuries and massive surgeries
and all sorts of stuff. So there's a you know,
good physical reason in this life. But I'm also like, why,

(36:57):
right there? Is it always so tense? It's always so constrict.
There is nothing specific of any of my injuries that
would put something right there, right, I had this another
past life memory came back, and I was an awful,
horrifyingly awful woman. This is like sixties seventies of you know,
nineteen sixties nineteen seventies. So this is linearly my last

(37:18):
life that I had before I came into this existence.
Horrifying woman, really beautiful, like very very beautiful, and like
power hungry. But I was a criminal too, and I
had this man who was like physically smaller than me
and not as attractive as me, and not as powerful
as me, and he was like my little like slave

(37:41):
like peon, like I treated him like garbage and he
would do whatever I wanted because I could make him
do whatever I wanted, and I loved that. I was
such a selfish, horrifying person. I'm disgusted by it. So
that's who I was. And the part of the life
that I went into and re experienced was again my death,
my murder. Actually I won't go into too much detail

(38:04):
because it was super graphic, but he stabbed. He started
off by literally stabbing me in the back in that
exact location. And it's funny because that area can be
an area where we hold pain in regards to like
self loathing and treating others with cruelty, So right exactly

(38:24):
there and that's where he stabbed me. So it's like
energetically it would get stuck there more easily it would
more easily manifest in the next life, because that's like
the exact spot to hold all those energies. But that wound, too,
was such a staggering blow to my ego. I didn't
even understand it for a few minutes of that experience.
I was like, what's even happening? Because I own him,

(38:48):
he would never just stab I mean, what's what's stabbing me?
And it took me a while to realize, like, oh,
he's stabbing me, you know, And then worst things happened
and then I died. But you know, I in that
life kind of understood like, wow, I kind of deserved this.
I mean like I just treated him like the worst

(39:09):
piece of garbage and used him in every way possible,
never gave him any respect or love or anything, and
just expected it for years and years and years. So
I kind of already started settling into that before I
even fully died in that life and apparently came into
this life with that pain. And when I started thinking
about it, I was like, the times it would hurt
most were the times where I in this life have

(39:30):
wanted to become like, you know, you do what I say,
and like kind of controlling and like egotistical and selfish,
and it would like flare up and tense and like
tighten and cause all this physical pain for me. And
I was like, that's so fascinating. So like in this life,
when I'm nearing the energy that caused that in the
past life to be done to me, that physical wound

(39:53):
will like reappear to remind me. Basically, it's almost like
a gift in a way. I mean, I don't want
to hurt, right, but part of means like, well, thank
you for reminding me, like why I don't want to
treat people like that ever again? Right? And this is
also like I mean, this is the journey of our soul,
like it is gathering information, gathering experience, learning what it
wants to do and doesn't want to do in order

(40:14):
to accomplish its goals. And like that's why we experience
anything we experience.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Really, are you ever the understanding that all of our
lifetimes are in a sense occurring at the same time,
because time doesn't truly occur linearly.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, And I think that's a beautiful way and reason
why we can access all of these past lives and
all of this information is it is really truly happening
all right now. And you know that's why it gets
hard sometimes are we seeing like the future actually or
the past? Because I've had some past life readings where
it seems like the life is is something you know,

(40:52):
like Atlantis we might say, right, or like pre history
like distant distant civilizations but on Earth. But then I
can kind of get confused and be like, well, is
this the far future then? I mean, I don't know,
and are we kind of just going in this loop?
I mean, we go from Golden Age to dark Age
to Golden Age to dark Age to Golden Age to
dark Age, Like it's not the same every time, but

(41:14):
it's very similar every time. So there's even some part
of me that I can get kind of confused about
time and space and like where are we and when
are we? And you know, like I said, I'm already
not good with that stuff in this life. So it
can get sort of hard. The more you have ego
death and you know, release of these linear conceptions of

(41:35):
time and space, it gets even weirder and weirder.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Do you think that we could experience lifetimes as non
human entities such as what we would understand as extraterrestrial
or interdimensional beings.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah. I had one past life that came back for
a guy. This was before I was doing past life
reading specifically, but I was doing a guidance session with
him and this energy sort of return and I understood
that it was him in another incarnation. And I didn't
really even have a conception of what this being was.
I knew it was physical. It seemed to me almost

(42:10):
like a beast, but it looked so weird. I just
I was like, I don't know exactly what this is
or how to describe it, but I understand your consciousness
in this life, and I understand what you're experiencing in
that life, and I can explain that and I could
share that with you, and that's the part that needs
to come back anyway. But it was super weird. The
flora and fauna was like different, the whole things were different.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Could you tell us a little bit about what that
experience was for that person.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, it was this deep like oneness with life, like
as emotion, as a movement. The consciousness was so vast.
But it's so interesting because it's a high level of consciousness.
But I feel like we would project onto it and
judge it as a low level of consciousness because it
was that I keep thinking, like beast like like it

(43:02):
was just not It couldn't have spoken with words or
like written numbers down right, It can't build like a
tower for you, but it like understands everything perfectly. And
so there was this powerful magic I want to say,
of this being that it just had. It could just
kind of change things and do things and be anything

(43:23):
and understand anything, and that was like its purpose in
its ecosystem. But there was something in it too that
was therefore i'll say, like uncontrollable in like reactivity, so
when other beings might like approach it, it would just
maybe sometimes like snap them and break them apart. So

(43:45):
like part of what was coming back to this person
was this understanding of the ability to connect with that
vast oneness energy, but also the warning to not get
like lost in it, because you kind of lose what
we talk about it is like being civilized or human.
When you go too deep into that, it's like a wildness.

(44:06):
So it's really really crazy. And for whatever reason that
person understood perfectly, they're like, oh my god, I get
like in my wherever they were at whatever they were
doing whatever they you know, we're experiencing and healing for themselves.
It was it was perfect for them. And it's funny
because I go into these things sometimes and I'm like,
am I supposed to like really say this to this

(44:27):
person right now? Because this seems ridiculous, like like what
is this thing I'm looking at? And like is this
even real? And you know, but then it comes true
in that person, Like all the people I work with,
I'm so grateful are are like, oh, yeah, I get it,
it's perfect. I'm like, well, good cause I kind of don't.
I mean I do, but I go.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Now, could you possibly help the audience visualize how you
assist people with recovering past life memories. Do the memories
show up in your consciousness in your mind? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
And so this is what again, my spiritual guides and
allies kind of forced me into this. They were like,
you know, you're going to start doing past life tarot
readings and I was like, I don't think that's a
thing that people do. And I don't think it's a
thing that people do. I actually think I'm like the
only person in the world who does past life tarot readings.
But I was like you know, I don't know how
to do that. I don't think it's a thing. And

(45:24):
they just kept like pushing it and pushing it and
pushing it, and finally I was like, oh god, I've
learned a long time ago that I just should do
what I'm told. Everything goes better for everyone that way.
And so I got some guinea pigs to let me
try it out on them, and you know, a layout
just kind of a formed in my mind, and I
started doing this reading, and I didn't really like trust

(45:47):
it at first. I was like, I don't understand how
a tarot card is going to show me someone's past life.
But I mean I understood since then, and I think
I understood this before then, truly, but that the card
is just like an access point. And really, anytime I'm
doing a reading, a life path reading, or an insight
vignette reading or these past life terre readings that I've
started been doing for a while now, but the card

(46:10):
is just an access point for the information to come
through a card, like doesn't even really matter. I could
do the same thing without cards, but the cards are
very helpful for me. Is a nice medium. So what
happens is I flip the first card over and I
usually sit for it with it for you know, a minute,
and for whatever reason, that card just allows me this

(46:31):
portal through and I start seeing this life and I
start seeing it. I start sensing like when or where
and what type of person, and you know, the sort
of background of the person and how they looked and
how they seem to me, and what their goals and
what their purposes were and why they were the way
they were, and all of this information comes through. And

(46:51):
we actually used three cards to just kind of get
a full complete picture of that life and what happened, specifically,
what happened that matters for this life currently, because not
everything we live through in every life matters right now,
but some of it does. And that's why it's coming
up in the reading. And you know, people will ask like,

(47:11):
why this life? Why does this life come up when
you did this reading for me? And the answer is
always like, that's the one that is the most helpful
for you right now. To receive this information and this
impression of yourself and that experience of yourself is going
to unlock something. It's going to unleash something, and it's
going to heal something. It's going to allow you to
understand something that right now you needed more than any

(47:32):
other life's lesson or karma. And so we look into that,
we see that, we look into some of the challenges
that are still going on in this current life because
of that life, and then we look into some of
the gifts because we also always have good things that
came from each of those lives too, even when it
doesn't always seem like that immediately. So we look at
some of the gifts karmically that have come. We look

(47:52):
into the future, like what's coming next in this current
life because of those karma patterns, And usually that's a
really good opportunity to continue or finish the healing or
the lessons from that life, so you can kind of
close that life and maybe move on to the next,
and then you know, we get some final messages. So

(48:13):
that is always really healing for people, and the reading
itself is awesome for anybody. Again, like I said, I
think people just know when they feel called like, oh
that sounds really interesting or I really want to do that,
there's probably a past life that's waiting to give you
some messages. But I've also learned that because of how
healing this can be and is that some people want

(48:34):
or need like a longer extended support through healing the
trauma that comes up from this. Some of the traumas
that come up are so powerful in this current life
that it's going to take more than just a quick
interaction with it to really help it unfold and release.
So I also offer a past life Tarot healing journey

(48:56):
in which we intentionally, you know, uproot some of this
old trauma and do past life readings and do guidance
sessions and do practices, and it's a longer extended support
to help people heal. Sometimes we get to do multiple
lives in that journey, and sometimes we just do one
because it's big enough to trant to work on the
whole time, you know, and it's just different for everyone.

(49:18):
So that's been really beautiful too. I've seen people really transform,
you know, career, physical health, mental health, emotional health, just
in this. It's usually about six months time, and it's incredible.
So all of that came from my guides and allies
being like, hey, you should do past life terror readings.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I'd love to get your insights into how to effectively
make contact with your guides make first contacts. I get
all the time folks asking me about how personally I've
made contact with my guides. Initially it was through meditation.

(49:58):
I oftentimes use plant medicines, and I don't ever want
to recommend anyone to use any other substances. So I'd
really love to hear about your experiences with how you
initially made contact with your guides, and maybe any recommendations
for folks that are looking to to find their guides

(50:19):
but have no idea on how to start with that.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, it's such a big question. And for me, I
really I the more I look back, the more I
see I like came into this life with like a
full contact already happening, and it's just been unfolding.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Me accepting that and understanding that is really the main
blockage to that ever being a part of my life.
So that's been ongoing all the time. But if you
want to, like, if anybody out there, what I always
emphasize is that this is all coming through your heart.
It's not coming through your mind, it's not coming through logic,
it's not coming through your thoughts. It's coming through your heart.

(50:57):
And when you know that and you focus on that
asking to be the fastest track and the safest track.
You know, there's all these different like things you can
do in sigils and whatever, blah blah blah. You can
do anything you feel called to. I would just always
focus on the love aspect of it, because the universal
source is love. God is love, whatever you want to

(51:17):
call all that. The spiritual ancestors are love. That highest
level of consciousness is love, and your heart is where
you access love, feel love right, transmit love. So all
the messages I get, all of the impressions, I get,
all the images I get, all of that is coming
through my heart, not through my mind. So when I
go into a spiritual space, I also then do it

(51:39):
through love, you know. And so I tell people sometimes
when they're like I don't know like how to get
into that vibe or how to raise my vibration or
how to like get like deeper into that, I'm like,
just lay down, close your eyes, hold your heart, and
just go love love love love love love love love
love love love, Like just sit there and say it
and feel it, right, Or maybe you imagine all the

(51:59):
things that remind you of love, like your dogs and
your cats and birds and the things that you love
in life and nature and like all the good stuff,
babies laughing, like whatever it is that you're calling that forward,
you're going to start feeling that in your heart. That's
going to start putting you in that space. But what
I also, you know, kind of warn people about is
that for a long time, you know, instead of connecting

(52:23):
really clearly with your own higher consciousness or your own
spiritual guides and allies, what you might do instead is
like cry a lot, because what you actually have to
do first sometimes is heal. And I always come back
to this, and you know, I have a lot of
students and a lot of different classes and healings and
readings and all these things I do, and I always
come back to, like, the reason we're healing emotionally, mentally, physically,

(52:47):
or any of these levels is because that is the
spiritual journey we've talked about, Right, this shoulder pain I
had is physical, but what was the root of it.
It was spiritual, It was emotional, it was energetic. So
all of this healing we're doing is actually clarifying all
the levels of our body and mind in order to
just be what we already are, which is this conduit
for love, which is the source of all things in

(53:10):
the universe and is the source of all of these messages,
visions and more So I would say those are the
best ways to sort of start that or get in
deeper connection. But I also you know, if you do
a guidance session with me, your guides and allies come through.
And so if you want to know who some of
them are and you want to receive messages in that way,
that's something that I do too. But you know, the

(53:33):
other last thing I'll add to this is that all
of us have many, many, many spiritual guides and allies.
I think a lot of people think they have like
one or something. It's like, no, I'm going to say,
each of us has tens and tens of spiritual guides
and allies who are on our side, part of our team,
helping us out along the way.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
And the something else I've encountered since I've made contact
with my guides and started having my spiritual experiences is
the negative entities and spiritual attachments that I've had to
deal with myself. I've recently helped others deal with their
own spiritual attachments, and this is something that most people

(54:17):
will probably never realize they have unless they're seeking some
of these spiritual experiences.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Right, Yeah, I do, And I think that's another reason
why it's so important to be healing at any levels,
because those things can only access us through our wounds
and through our lower lower vibrations. You might think of it, right,
which is where, which is our wounds, and is our traumas,
and is those things. So there's yet another reason to

(54:46):
heal everything you can, whenever you can, like to be
the brightest you can be. It's because those types of
energies really love to feed off of us, and they
love to get their little hooks in wherever they can.
And it's also true that sometimes sometimes as you're healing,
and as you're opening your spiritual channels and as you're
connecting more with your guides and allies, that some of
these things seem to like come out of the woodwork

(55:07):
to like specifically target and attack you. And you know,
the way to understand that is to say, like, well,
you were a food source for them and their friends
until you started healing, and they don't like that, and
they want that brightness you're creating, but they want it
as food for themselves instead of for you. So they're
going to try to like maybe pull you back off

(55:27):
track or get through your defenses. And I think the
beautiful thing about that is we don't have to fear
any of it because we know that that isn't love, right,
and we are love and that's all we are. That's
another reason to come back to that heart space and
that energy, because they can't get through that.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I mean, I've had experiences getting rid of some of
these things just by busting out laughing very hard. They
like absolutely hate higher vibrational energy laughter love.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, well, you're just talking about this because I was
just at Walmart the other day and there was this
a woman who is demonically possessed. And you know, other
people would understand this as like someone who is really
just mentally unwell, it's the same difference to me, but
I see I see the possession instantly, and they usually
see me instantly too, because I'm like this blazing beacon

(56:16):
of light and they're like, ooh, what's that shiny thing?
All right, So we walk by this woman's you know,
woman form demon energy, and she was like standing there
right now. We had to like squeeze past her to
get through and she just like instantly like gloned onto
me right behind me and was like following me. And
I don't know what she was saying or doing because

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I don't care anymore because this happens to me like
all the time. That's really I have so many crazy
stories of really mentally on all people who demonic energies
just come through and like attack. In fact, the one
not that long ago, literally from across the street, it
was like, lindsay, you're gonna die.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I'm like, dude, whoa Okay, did you know who this
person was?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
No? I was.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I was an ash where I have never been before. Yeah, No,
I know. People don't. People don't always believe me. I'm like, no,
I'm targeted. I'm not a targeted individual from the government.
I'm a targeting suitual from the spiritual realm. But that
was a really crazy, wild experience. I have a I
have a video out about it that probably has Asheville

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somewhere in the title if people want to go listen
to that extended story on Rogueways. But this woman at
Walmart was just like, you know, she she targeted us.
She like globbed onto the back of me, and she
was like trying to. I mean, I feel it as
her trying to get through at the demon, trying to
get through my spiritual protection. And but again this has
happened to me so many times that I just have

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this unbreakable faith. I didn't even turn around. I didn't
look at her, I didn't do anything. I didn't respond
or acknowledge her even I just held that wall, that
spiritual light I call it, you know, calling in the
golden light, and that repelled her, but it also seemed
to make her angry, emn angry because it didn't get
what it wanted, and so I could tell it was

(58:03):
going to then go like attack other people, Whereas before
it had been kind of hanging out at the front,
like being mindless and just being a negative energy around,
but now it was going to start directing it at
people because I had like properly deflected it. So then
I understood that I had to have to, but I wanted
to make sure it didn't attack anyone else. So I

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was calling in the golden light to sort of protect
anyone who it might interact with, and just bring in
you know, the angelic or whatever spiritual guides and allies.
And it really is just that permission they need, like
an invitation. I mean, this is a public spot in
a way, right, We're all allowed to be there, but
someone has to invite them to come do their work there.
So it's really all I'm doing and they do the work,

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not meet me. And so I saw that just kind
of come around these people she was headed towards, and
that like stopped her again, and she started screaming because
she couldn't get through the light wall, and then you know,
she's upset, and eventually I realized, I just need to
put this around the whole store. She's just gonna hang
out here all day like trying to attack people, And
so I called and asked if it could be put
around the whole store. And she started leaving, and she

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got to the front door and there's you know, thirty
people she could possibly look back at. But she looks
back at me and it makes eye contact and like
sneers or whatever and wanders away. But you know, part
of me could feel like victimized by that, like why me,
why is this always happening? But another part of me
is like, I mean I really think that's like why
I went to Walmart today at this time, is because

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source and whoever was like, well, you can go in
and call in the light and help everyone get through
this demonic encounter. And I want everyone to also take
from that that I'm not special, you know, I'm not
like I don't have like a special level of clearance
from angelic energy or something. It's like anyone can call
on those energies and ask for them to come, and
they will always come. They never don't respond. And sometimes

(59:57):
I think some people don't really feel that necessarily right away,
but it is happening. Sometimes there's deeper layers of darkness
they have to come through to get to you, but
they're always there. They're always coming. So you know, if
you ever find yourself in any situation where the darkness
seems to be around, you can call in the light.
And I think one of the things too is people
don't believe like they believe they have to be like

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in a religion or of a specific belief or call
on a specific entity. And I don't think you do.
I think you just call them whatever. Again, what connects
to your heart? Like, what do you love most?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Do you love Jesus? Call on Jesus? Do you love Ganesh?
Call on ganesh, whoever you want, whoever you believe is
of the light and truly loving, ask them to come
in or just do what I did call in the
light itself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Is this something that you also help folks with, is
identifying and ridding spirits attachments?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yes, that's one of my favorite things to do, is
helping people brighten themselves in their space and rid themselves
of those dark attachments and energies. And you know, it's
one of my It just tends to be the people
who I work with. Honestly, It's like I don't even
necessarily go seeking it or advertising it, but most of
the people who come to me do have some level
of that darkness to clear out, and honestly, I think

(01:01:11):
most of us do. It's not always as intense as
what I just described, but you know it's around. So yeah,
I think the more we heal ourselves and the more
we clear those things, the better off we and everyone
else around us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Is awesome, Lindsay, this was fantastic as usual. If folks
want to find out more about you get some of
your services, how can they do so?

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
The best way would be to go to rogue ways
dot org. It's ways as in pathways, not as in
ocean Waves and Rogueways dot Org is the place you
can find the books that I've channeled through the links
to rogue ways if you want to listen or watch along,
and also the services. You can book any of them there.
I also have classes that I teach that you can
take that are self paced on your own time, or

(01:01:59):
we can always do that at one on one. I
teach people. I love to teach people what I do
or any level of the things we've been talking about,
and anyone can develop those gifts in themselves too, so
that's one of the things I do. I do events
every Soustice and Equinox. We just had one yesterday. Actually
it was one day of Brightness and so you can
get booked for the next one if you want to

(01:02:19):
come to that. It's a really powerful uplifting healing no
darkness there, no darkness could exist on one day of brightness.
And yeah, my Past Life Terror reading is the past
life Trauma healing journey and all of that is all
linked to from roguways dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Awesome, Lindsey, thank you once again, and we'll definitely do
this again of course, and until next time, everyone have
an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
See y'all day Today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I want to welcome back to the show Thomas aka
Paranoid American. He is a self taught programmer since mid
nineties that started out by hacking AOL. He joined the
United States Air at seventeen and later became a credited
musician with TV and movie credits, as well as a
Disney interactive designer and animator for ten years. Then he

(01:03:11):
became a conspiracy theory connoisseur for over twenty years. He
has also been a comic book publisher for over ten
years at Paranoid American dot com. Tomas, welcome back. How
you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I'm doing great man, How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I can't complain. I am enjoying life. It's good to
see you again.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
And you have some.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Very entertaining content in the works, comics, music, and much more,
all surrounding the insanity of the conspiracy community. Your content
is full of amazing surprises. I can't wait to get
into some of the stuff you have in the works.
But first, it's been a little while since you've been on.
Remind the audience a little bit about yourself, your content,

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and where they can find you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I am the ex military freemason and ex Disney maybe
MK mind control victim slash programmer who knows NLP trained
Richard Bandler, accredited weirdo that's been publishing comic books about
conspiracy theories and occult research since at least twenty twelve,

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although this has been a lifelong passion of mine since
before I can remember, I've always been interested in I mean,
I guess it started Bermuda Triangle and spontaneous combustion and Bigfoot.
Those were kind of like the big ones right off
the bat, but it never stopped from there. And I
feel like I've kind of dug my way into every

(01:04:38):
little nook and cranny and tried to find all of
the really cool interesting details and now putting those into
comic books and children's books and music and video games
and art and anything else I can try to find
and inject this stuff into culture. Awesome, man, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Since twenty twenty, how much has the events that it
has unfolded changed your perspective on conspiracy culture and how
much of it is actually real that's unfolded?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Oh? What A That's an interesting question. I almost feel like,
so let's let's This might be a bad analogy that's
very specific to like sports fans, even though I'm not
a sports fan. But imagine you're you live in Boston, right,
and you haven't won a World Series and I don't
know how long because of the curse, right, So all

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of a sudden, you win the World Series, and there's
just like floods of baseball fanatics that are like, yeah,
go Boston, you know what I mean. And you're sitting
around and you're like, like, welcome to the town, spend
your money here. You know, we appreciate all of the
you know, filling up the restaurants and the hotels, but
where the hell are you guys for the last you know,
one hundred years. So I don't know, I feel it.

(01:05:54):
I'm trying not to make it sound like a hipster.
I'd rather sound like a resident that is both welcoming
but also slightly annoyed by some of the new visitors
and the people that are kind of moving in and
gentrifying the place up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Right on, Well, before we get to some of the
stuff that you're directly working on, I want to get
your insights into some of the events that have been
unfolding recently, starting with the high strangeness in ufology and
paranormal realms, which is some of my favorite. We've had disclosure,

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if you want to call it that, coming from our
mainstream media government. And recently we had the Mexican government
unveiled would look like pay Premichet dolls, but they claimed
to be aliens. Oh ya. With everything that, especially since
twenty seventeen New York Times article, we've had a big

(01:06:49):
boom in extraterrestrial interest across the globe because of the
tic Tac incident. I'm sure in a few months we'll
have a new extraterrestrial or UFO event that supposedly to
be unveiling a craft soon in Mexican Congress or something
like that that I've heard. So it's very interesting times.
What do you what do you think about everything going

(01:07:10):
on in extraterrestrial world?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Your answer psyop full stop period, but slightly longer answer.
Imagine that hypothetical. Imagine that the government does know that
there's alien life out there, and let's assume that they're
not just incredibly hostile, otherwise we'd already be gone. You know,

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they're at least not so hostile that the second they
see us, they immediately start bombarding us or are taking
over our planet. So those two things, you know, might
be not even much exclusive. Let's assume that the government
knows that it feels like just an absolute waste of
political capital in general to announce that to the world,
even if they knew it right, because there's so much

(01:07:56):
value in capital in scaring people about this external who
in the right mind would just kind of like, oh, hey,
by the way, guys, there are aliens and they're nice,
and there's nothing to worry about, and everyone's just like,
oh man, you know, like one less thing to worry
about global warfare. You know, maybe we don't. And not
that that always go awy beause there always be someone
that's like they're lying about it, and you know, they're

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just making us fat and lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
But I think that all the psyop stuff that's been released,
especially I mean the Mexico thing, I kind of laugh at.
They're also the ones that said that that painting of
Jesus was Jesus, even though it just looked like a
like a crown drying, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, yeah, But we're in super interesting times, and while
we're on the vents unfolding as lately we've got wars,
rumors of wars, pandemics, and some believe we are in
a prophetic age. It seems like, in a sense, there
is a playbook that is being used to roll out

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these events on some level, whether it's us subconsciously putting
the energy out there because we grew up with the
Book of Revelations and all these Hollywood movies that are
telling us that we're entering this prophetic age, or that
there is an attempt to lead us into what seemingly

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this apocalyptic age. Do you get what I'm talking about there?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I do, and I honestly, outside of the woo woo
and spiritual aspect of it, you just look at it
as like a logical template to follow. I do see that,
like this Tree of Life and the Suffarrath and just
sort of these kind of like magical rituals. You can
even say the Tarot deck. I think a lot of
it kind of represents a cycle, and then if you

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understand the cycle, then you can kind of ride the
wave a little bit. It's kind of like a surfer
doesn't control the wave, like they have absolutely no impact
on the wave. Itself, right, But if they know how
to read it and they know how to navigate, they
can do a lot of cool tricks and fascinate people.
And you know, it almost looks magical, like they're walking
on water almost. But really they just kind of understand

(01:10:08):
the formula that the math behind it, maybe even at
like an inherent level, like they don't actually know numbers.
They just kind of understand the fixes of it, like
it just kind of like melts in with them. So
I think that there's an analogy for that among all
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Right on, Well, let's get into some of the fun
stuff you're working on. You got me a list ed,
I have to hit the Frazzle Drip funhouse comic. What
the hell you got going on here? I'm sure most
of the audience has heard about Frazzle Drip, but tell
us about this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
This one's a mixed bag. Man. So this was a
joint project with my friend from Winged Sun Comics, and
he came at me with an idea and he was
just like, hey, animatronic bear a Drena chrome ritual gone wrong?
What do we do? You know we can we turn
this into a comic, and you know, basically said, hell, yeah,
let's do this thing, because I've never heard of anyone

(01:11:04):
sort of fictionalizing the like Frazzle Drips specifically by name,
or having a comic book built around such a very niche,
you know, conspiracy theory. And I figure, if Paranoid American
is not the one that's going to do the Frazzle
Drip comic, no one's going to make that. So I
almost felt like that was, you know, it was something
that was just right to do. So it's basically kind

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of like a mix between five Night at Freddy's and
Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
The last time you were on, we had briefly touched
on that you were doing some research into a drenochrome
and some of the conspiracies and realities behind what this is.
Could you talk a little bit about what you came
up with with that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Yes, So, I think it's bs that people discount a
dream chrome is a psychedelic I think that's the headline
that I would really like to put forth first and foremost.
I don't think that there's any special, you know, way
that you can harvest adrenochrome from kids or people by
torturing them or fear or none of that. I think

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that if you just take the leftover adrenal glands from
a cow that was slaughtered for you know, McDonald's Hamburger's,
you could essentially turn that adrenaline gland into adrenochrome, the
same as anyone that you're trying to scare it out of.
So that part I'm a little bit you know, more
secular on. But what I do think is that there's

(01:12:30):
ample evidence that adrenochrome has a very specific psychological, psychomametic
effect on people, and that it could potentially be a
link to evolution in a way, a longer life longevity,
because just like you flex a muscle and you keep
breaking your muscle fibers to like, you know, make those
sick gains bruh, like, you can kind of do something

(01:12:52):
like that mentally, where if you keep bringing yourself to
the very edge of sanity, if you can pull yourself
back from it. In fact, if you can actually go
crazy and then pull yourself back from it, you've got
a way better chance of surviving future bouts of it
if it's in a controlled manner. And a long list
of other you know, ailments that I won't even get

(01:13:15):
into because it sounds silly trying to make like medical claims,
which I'm not, But the research says a lot of this,
So I think it's you know, the specific concept of
journey chrome. The Lady Duck protests a little too much
when it comes to like media and social media and
just not being able to say the word out loud.
I think that there's a little bit more to it

(01:13:36):
than just trying to you know, simmer down the QAnon crazies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Could it be possible that our elitists at the top
of the pyramid and globalists and some very high level
politicians are utilizing this as a super drug and maybe
even participating in these harvesting rituals.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
If it worked one hundred percent, they would be they
probably tried it. I don't think that it does the
thing that all of the conspiracy theories claim that it does,
but I one hundred percent of them on board that
they've tried it, Like of course they would have tried it.
There's nothing that's off the table for these people. I
just think I'm a little bit dubious as to that

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specific thing. I don't know if Lady Gaga, you know,
gets like enlightenment from you know, poking a straw into
a three year old and just like sucking their brains out. Nah, yeah,
who knows, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
It's interesting when you look at all the conspiracies with
what we've heard about celebrities and their engagement in some
of these occult activities, especially, and when you look at
what they actually portray of themselves with their music videos
and their public appearances and their performances, it's very interesting

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that they're putting that identity out there so outwardly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Now, right, well, I do have a theory. I'll give
you the crazy version of it. Just imagine that it's
I'm not in this deep, but this is the logical
conclusion of this particular line of thinking, is that, you know,
let's say Britney Spears, that's that's someone that's in the
media right now, and it's kind of you know, Disney
mk ultra. Maybe she's going crazy dance with knives. But

(01:15:24):
just imagine if a drenochrome or trying to bring yourself
to the brink of insanity were a real thing, and
it was an actual endeavor that you know, rich people
that have nothing else to do, when all the resources
could do, why wouldn't you want to invite all of
these celebrities and musicians and performers to your parties and
get them to engage in the same blood rituals that

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you're engaging in. And I mean, you know, taking to
the far extream, Like what if I get to take
Brittany Spears adrenochrome, Like maybe that's a little bit different
than you know, like Thomas Gorenst, you know, paranoid Americans
a drenachrome. It's different than your adrenochrome. Because I do
also understand like in the in the cannabis culture, right,

(01:16:07):
this concept of like full spectrum, bro, and this strain
is better than that strain. And even though it's just
THHC and CBD and CBG, like there's also ratios, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Also like diamonds versus wax.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, dude, And what people call like the Honorage effect, right,
the Honorage effect, I think is maybe not one hundred
percent in scientific but what it implies is that there's
other factors that we just haven't accounted for. So if
you just isolate everything into the distilled ingredients, you might
be missing the whole picture. You might be you know,

(01:16:40):
like missing the forest for the trees kind of a deal,
So I think there might be something with that and adrenochrome,
because there's also in adrenal lutin and adrenal luten was
rumored in some of these old fifties papers that when
they tried to test it, it wasn't easy to test
because of the effects would last two weeks or more. And
we're talking like heavy psychological This is associated off facts.

(01:17:01):
So there's way more to this rabbit hole than I
guess conventional science is published now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
They have to be given some of these guys some
pretty heavy drugs, especially if you look at if Joe
Biden is indeed a real human being, they have to
be pumping him up with some kind of crazy meth
amphetamines just to get him rolling out of bed and
going in the morning. And if you just take a
look at just a couple of his recent appearances and

(01:17:32):
his incoherency, it is baffling.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
That he is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
They're still allowing this person who has this much insanity
to appear in front of public and try and speak.
Wouldn't they just another place him with a clone already?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Well, I've got my theory on this is that they're
setting the bar low for either just like the best
AI that government employees can muster together. So if they
can just low the bar so low that they don't
have to present a coherent president that even looks the
same from interview to interview on the same day. Sometimes

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he's got balchin. Sometimes ear lobes are connected, sometimes they aren't.
Sometimes the nose is like straight, sometimes it's a little more.
You know, you've seen all the pictures and the memes, right, yeah,
So if they just lower the bar so much to
where people just kind of like just give them a
side eye, like, oh, yeah, it's old Biden again, he's
just you know, looks different again. That's just the thing.

(01:18:30):
It's different. This saces just melting today. That's all well.
And yeah, now, and now, like the lower sort of
paid government employees that are doing all the propaganda videos,
which might not be the high paid ones that know
all the tricks, they've got a lower bar to meet
for generating the AI versions that are gonna be coming out. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Speaking of AI, this is a fun one and we
touched on this a little bit last time, but AI
is exponentially growing and the possibilities are becoming more terrifying
by the day. The AI art is pretty hilarious still though,
some of the things that I'm seeing. But consider well
the possibilities of what we could be seeing in the

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very near futures, of the exponential growth of what's happening
with AI and chat, GBT and some of these technologies.
If you consider what is given to the public and
what we understand from our technology versus probably what the
military industrial complex and these super black projects are in

(01:19:31):
possession of is exponentially years ahead of anything we could
be aware of. So considering that, how advanced do you
think the super AI is that we'll never find out
about versus what we're getting right now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
I think I got it even better analogy. It's a
lot of people think of it right now in terms
of time, and I don't necessarily believe anymore. And if
we're talking nineties or early two thousands, yeah, i'd say
that the military areas like a couple decades ahead, if
not more so whatever you see in public is, you know,

(01:20:06):
two to three decades behind them. Yeah. That was true
up until I don't know, like the last two decades
or so, when like open source community started explode. The
rest of the world started to learn how to code,
and now you've got this new wave of coders and
you know, AI specialists. They even might be funded by
the government, but they're not necessarily on the same level

(01:20:28):
because they understand all the stuff, and the government guys
and the funders they just kind of know that this
is the next wave, but they don't actually know like
how the technology at a deep level works. I don't
you know, actually at a certain point, it's kind of
black box and I don't know if anyone knows how
it works. But but anyways, the analogy that I would
rather make is that what kind of laser can you

(01:20:50):
go and buy? Right now? Let's say you had one
thousand dollars, like, let's say you had, you know, ten
thousand dollars to spend on a laser. At what point
are you going to bump into the like, oh well,
you can't buy a laser that powerful, bud? Sorry, where
where's your license? Where's your you know? Now, think how
how powerful of a laser could government build? Are they

(01:21:12):
ever going to run into that particular block or the
only block they run into is one of their science nerds,
one of the CIA nerds or whatever is going to say,
you know, sorry, that breaks the laws of physics, or
we don't have you know, a special ruby of kryptonite
that's that's that powerful that can withstand the charge to
do what you're asking for. But they don't have a

(01:21:34):
limit on that. Yeah, that's kind of where they are
with AI, because right now the limitation and the consumer
field is how much RAM and how fast can I
do this thing? And how much information can I train
and how quickly can I train it? And how can
I get these huge sets of data that I would
need to train it, and the resources of people to

(01:21:56):
classify it, and you know all of those things. Government's
got that in spades. They got money, they got people,
they got resources, and if they want to, they can
have a monopoly on all of the GPU farms that
they would need to train whatever the heck they want.
And I remember in the late nineties and the early
two thousands where people were saying, you know, all your

(01:22:16):
cell phone conversations are being recorded, all the texts are
being recorded, and most people would just kind of the
most non conspiracy people be like, no one's got time
to read all of that, you know, no one's got
time to listen to all my messages, Like guess who
does have plenty of time to read all your messages,
you know, AI Like you can spin up a little

(01:22:37):
server and it could read everything that you've ever said
in your entire life, probably overnight, and give you an
analysis and everything. So that's kind of the analogy here.
It's not necessarily time anymore. It's like how big of
a laser do you think you can build? And how
big of a laser do you think Google can build?
And that's the real difference.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Well, speaking of Google, there's some that recently postulated that
what we're seeing with chat GPT is just a template
for what we're going to see with search engines in
the future, to where when we try and do some
our own research, quote unquote, it's just gonna provide government
and Daddy government approved information and only things that are

(01:23:19):
filtered through the approved lens, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no question, no doubt. That's not even
hyperbally is already happening now. I'm actually the book that
I've been writing on Adrenochrome, I have not been writing
any of it in Google Docs because I'm almost positive
that just them like seeing the word being written over
and over and over along with some of the other

(01:23:46):
context that I bring up. I'm sure it's going into
some AI cloud rating system at some point, so and
I'm just trying not to get that smoke right now, right, Yeah,
So I use like offline for a lot of that
that kind of research.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
That's before we move on from adrenochrome. Is there any
other concepts without giving away anything too much from your
book that we didn't really cover, that we could bring up.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
That it was just directly involved with all of the
original MK ultra research, LSD, mescaline, everything, and all of
this really kind of ties to the discovery of adrenaline,
which I think was in like nineteen oh one. This
Japanese guy basically his intern discovered how to synthesize adrenaline

(01:24:32):
or how to isolate it, and from that moment there
was a very immediate recognition between that and mescaline and
they realized there could be something to that and that
it kind of is where it's at. And I guess
the highlight here is just imagined the impact of finding
the first drug that can be sourced from a living animal.

(01:24:55):
Every other drug that we knew up until the discovery
of adrenaline, all came from plants or came from you know,
straight up chemicals. This is the first time you were
like you could just get any warm blooded animal and
be like, I can extract adrenaline from that and it's
interchangeable with me. I can just you know, inject it
and it would be an actual drug. So that's that's

(01:25:17):
mind blowing. It's world changing. There's still not a lot
of things. I mean, like there was toads that like
the guys that were like licking toads, But this we're
talking about like when the Rockefellers figured it out, when
the Rockefeller medicine industry figured out, oh, we can extract
drugs from living creatures. That's the real sort of the
headline that gets buried under the adrenochrome madness.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yeah, it's probably more likely that there are just these
lower level criminal organizations that may be experimenting with some
of this stuff and kidnapping people and trying to extract
the adrenochrome and make their own black market drugs or
something like that, rather than these high level politicians and

(01:26:01):
globalists that maybe just get it on a platter daily.
Who knows, or.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
I'd say that the high level politicians and celebrities are
involved with the trafficking part, but only like a small
niche ever went down the adreno chrome part and then
they did it and they were like, Okay, that's like
the meal that you only have to have once in
your life kind of deal. I don't know. Yeah, the hell, man,
it's a sick out there. It is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
It's sick man, It's it's fucking crazy. Now, I want
to go back to technologies for amendment for a minute.
What do you think about the possibilities that our exponential
growth in technologies after World War Two was due to
either channeling from off planet entities or interdimensional beings that

(01:26:47):
the Nazis did, and then after paper Clip we brought
over all these super technologies and that's when we had
all this this boom in advancement and that we are
indeed is still in contact with these these intelligences.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Can we classify like if you were to take psychedelics
and spoke to entities, would that be the in the
similar vein as this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Well, it depends on how they were doing. All we
know is what they were channeling through their their real society,
their beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Channel real society just uses magic and they're sitting down
on the ground. I'm pretty sure that the Oto and
Crowley were into mescal at this point. But let's say
there's the channel some spirit that gives them information versus
when the double strand helix came up, right, that was
from an LSD trip, and they never claimed that they

(01:27:41):
discovered it. It was more like it was given to
them in this vision, and that one I do believe.
I don't think they made that up. That they took
LSD and all of a sudden realized that DNA had
this double helix strand structure to it. So I would
kind of throw that into the same category and the
same really big net I guess as alien entities or

(01:28:03):
damons or maybe you know, like the clockwork, the DMT elves.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
I think you're right. I think psychedelics have a much
larger role to play in what we understand as contact
and especially previous contact in the eras of like what
you're talking about with Crowley and some of those old
elder societies, where they were most likely making this contact
through some sort of altered state, most likely psychedelics, and

(01:28:32):
that even the ancients probably may spiritual contact and had
these prophetic visions through most likely eating a bunch of
mushrooms or some other psychedelic right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Yeah, And there's another thing related to Hilta research something
called form constants. And form constants are kind of like
when people described seeing the same sort of fractal patterns
or repeating images or swirls. There's like a very specific
list of them that people tend to report when they're

(01:29:04):
on psychedelics. These just called form constants. There's another very
different one. If you've ever seen Beautiful Mind or any
of those memes from like the Hangover where they're doing
math and like numbers start showing up in front of
them and they can move them around. There's something like that.
It's also a form constant. I believe it's called a
number form. And this is some people without seeing the

(01:29:26):
number aspect. If you give them a formula or ratio,
they just visually see it and they don't have to
do the math. So like this is kind of like
a rain Man area where they're not like sitting down
and doing the calculation necessarily. They can just kind of
like move things around in space visually and kind of
put the answer together and then come up with the number.

(01:29:46):
I'm way over simplifying all of that, but like that
kind of shows that there's this like extra world or
this level that can be unlocked by people that is repeatable,
you know, demonstratable, provable. We just don't necessarily understand how
to like make someone do the thing, and we can't
you know, point to and here's how they do it,

(01:30:07):
and here's how I can just tweak my brain. It's
probably what neuralink will eventually figure out. A I might
figure it out after they do a bunch of cat
scans and then oh, here's the pattern you know that
you you stupid Americans or or you know, Chinese or
whoever you were, couldn't figure out AI, which transcends all
of these like petty ores. It'll figure it out, and

(01:30:28):
I guess the scary part is that we might not
realize it by the time it does.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Aren't they already doing this DMT mapping where they're putting
people in extended release states of DMT trips and like
trying to map out the landscapes and shit, right, yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
I'm I'm all for it. I don't know if I
would ever sign up for that particular role, but I mean,
whoever's out there donating their body to science to just
be on week long tea trips. More power to you
as long as it's voluntary.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
All right. That's that's pretty insane though. And they're also
reporting that there can document the interaction with the entities
that are showing up during these experiences, which is super crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
That should be an alternative of the chemo. I'll just
say that out loud. Yeah, like I've heard those this way,
or you can talk to aliens on your way out
and give us all information that comes back. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Yeah, I've had over almost a dozen people that have
went on ayahuasca retreats, have profound psychedelic experiences and come
back and said that some entity or mother ayahuasca told
them that they had cancer somewhere and they need to
do this to take care of it or some kind
of ailment, then that they would be healed if they
did this. So it's pretty incredible what can happen under

(01:31:50):
those altered states.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Yeah, and I'm not sure this is maybe slightly controversial
in some crowds. Still wondering if there's a huge difference
between going on a big Ayahuascar retreat where they sometimes
give you like an m AOI, you know, like a
an inhibitor, or just getting like a d MT pen
you know on the the shop in like La or something.

(01:32:19):
Just kind of like we were talking about the Honorage effect, right,
some people swear that if you just do THHC distill it,
then you're not gonna get the same experience. Well no,
but it might still be you know, similar enough to
where if you drink a Starbucks and someone else drinks
a dunkin Donuts, They're like, you're not going to get
the same experience. Man, Like, no you're not, but it's

(01:32:41):
still two cups of coffee, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah, Yeah, right on, let's get to some of the
other fun stuff that you're working on. Chaos Twins dot com.
It's a new series from our friends Sam True and yourself.
Tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
This one's been in the works for over year. Taken
our time with it, but it's basically a kid's friendly
comic that doesn't necessarily aimed just a kids. It's just
something that anyone can read, and it's about these two
girls that kind of move into a new town. Lot
draws a lot on Goosebumps and Eerie Indiana and a
lot of like the Kids, kind of creepy shows that

(01:33:19):
at least Sam and I grew up with. And they
have a group of cryptids that they can summon, and
they in the very first issue battle these reptilian shape
shifters that are also posing as ice cream salesmen, and
they're kind of using nostalgia against the town. So since
like the younger kids, they're not really affected by nostalgia,

(01:33:41):
they kind of have this ability to not be as
affected by it as the adults, you know, as just
like you know, Sam.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Oh, that's great, man, that's great. You said the magic
word cryptids. We're gonna have to talk a little bit
about these these fun creatures here. Let's start with Bigfoot,
the different insane abilities that are reported Bigfoot disappearing, psychic Bigfoot,
Bigfoot being able to give you gifts and appear in
your home but the doors locked, and move things around

(01:34:12):
and have all these supernatural, incredible abilities. Do you think
that this is something of a paranormal phenomenon. Do you
think that we are just misunderstanding what we're seeing, or
that these beings just have a very enhanced cloaking ability.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
I've also heard that men in black like they kind
of have them tracked. Like one of the best analogies
I've heard is if you kill like an endangered animal
that's been shipped, even it's if it's out in the
middle of nowhere, if it's actually been shipped and it's
under some kind of surveillance, they know that that animal
just died and they can kind of pinpoint it and
send the people over to it. So there might be

(01:34:52):
something where they're kind of tracking Bigfoot as one of
the examples, and that they'll just know when other people
come in contact because there are so few of them
and they're so highly monitored that the men in Black
just show up immediately and you get can cuss essentially,
you know, you don't get the fun little Tommy Lee
Jones life flash. They probably use some kind of like

(01:35:15):
huge air cannon. They're like a sound blast cannon that
just makes your brain hurt so bad that you forget
the last three days. So I've heard of the same
probably the most realistic version of cloaking.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Yeah, I've heard the same things with the dog men
that people will like hit one with their car or something,
and then within minutes, these men in Black type folks
will show up, take the creature away and just say
you didn't see anything and might as well get on
your way, Or even if they shot one of the

(01:35:47):
things similar, something similar would happen. So that's very probable
based on a lot of the accounts that I've heard,
that maybe they have these things tagged. And if that
is so, what are the possible abilities that maybe these
things are like lab created some kind of chimeras that
that our military industrial complex is creating. I don't know,

(01:36:08):
what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Well, we also have deep underground military bases, and there's
also the concept of the missing four to one one,
which where you overlay people that have gone missing in
national parks with bigfoot sightings with the underground cave systems.
Those three maps kind of like lay on top of
each other like it's you know, like like they each

(01:36:32):
one builds. You can kind of see this pattern form.
So if if you were the military and you've got
these deep underground military bases, I'm gonna guess that you've
probably run into a few of these cave systems over time,
and you probably have a much better mapping of them.
And this is definitely restricted area, you know, and even
if you're like some random bumpkin. You're not drilling, like,

(01:36:56):
you know, seven miles down into the earth in order
to get to some of these sort of deep underground
military bases, like you don't have the resources, and even
if you do, to get the equipment out there and
run the operation would attract the attention. And there's just
so many reason. It's kind of like the Antarctica, right,
like it's just so damn monitored, and also the resource

(01:37:16):
that it would take in order to pull some kind
of big operation off, like you don't really do it
in the middle of nowhere in a vacuum, like people
would kind of realize what was going on. So I
think that that's again, like we've already seen cloaking devices,
so it's not impossible to imagine that there's like some
little reserve out in the middle of Yosemite or you know,

(01:37:37):
pick your place. This is just kind of surrounded by
some cloaking prism, like plastic sort of sheets, right, and
that if they need to come up and do their
stuff out, like if they have like yard time, you
know what I mean, because I assume they're like prisoners.
I've also heard one of my favorite ones is that
the only times that humans see a bigfoot is it's

(01:37:59):
like a homeless It's.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Like have you seen the new Bigfoot documentary A Flash
of Beauty Part two recently?

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Yeah, I've been intentionally staying away from recent ones just
because I'm also working on a bigfoot pamphlet and I'm
to be like super influenced by like the latest research
coming out, because I don't want to step on any toes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Well, I just want to touch on a little bit
from this because this is so interesting. I just interviewed
one of the producers, Tob Johnson, and a guest star
in there, doctor Simmy and Heine. And in them film, yes,
doctor Sibby and Heine, isn't they? And in the film
they had a group of experiencers that have no regular

(01:38:48):
interactions with sasquatches, and some that had just started having
interactions and some that had never had some but were
experiencing crazy stuff and going out in these wooded areas well.
The common theme amongst a few of these experiencers is
they would be out there. One example is a gentleman

(01:39:09):
was out with his dog and he forgot out water
canteen and he had made previous contact with these sasquatches,
and he was like, man, I wish I had some
water for my dog. Now I have to leave and
go back. Before he could turn around and go back
on the ground, was laying a full water canteen right after,
like within thirty seconds of him thinking about that. Another

(01:39:31):
instance was a lady who also claimed to have telepathic
communication with the sasquatches in her wooded area. Was communicating
one day with one out there and she said, oh, man,
I need a notepad and pen to write down what
you're saying. I need to remember this, and she went
about thirty feet ahead or so, and then hanging in

(01:39:53):
the tree was a notepad and pin. According to this lady,
also there was other instances of gifting where the Bigfoot
would bring very obscure, obscure items like old cell phones
from the nineties and things like that and just drop
them off on people's porches with a pile of rocks

(01:40:13):
and things like that. So it's pretty interesting some of
the phenomena associated with that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Right, I like think that there might be like a
Bigfoot edition of the Life Alert, like the old lady
falls down and trank it up and she hits the button,
but like instead of ems, Bigfoot comes and like helps
her out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Away.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Just wish Bigfoot we're here. He could reach that soup
on the top shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
That's funny. I've heard people say that it's especially the
gentleman that I've spoken with, Scott Pays. He said that
if he'd leave, there was one instance where his wife
was sick, and he said that the Bigfoot communicated to
him telepathically that they'd be watching over her while he left.
So I guess we do have, you know, instances of
Bigfoot life alert already.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
That's pretty bad ass, man. I mean there's something to that.
I think someone can market that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
So Bigfoot, what do you think? Are these guys paranor
are these metaphysical? Are just are we misinterpreting the phenomena
surrounding this.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
I think that there could be a missing link. I
equally believe a missing link aspect, like there's a legit,
you know, literal humanoid slash ape thing. Maybe it's some
kind of Neanderthal or one of the other you know,
I don't have all the scientific names in front of me,
but one of those guys. It could be that, just

(01:41:41):
as much as it could be something paranormal. I think
my favorite ones lately that I've talked about with Nate
over and over again on Realities Ours Shout Out Nate,
is that there's so much overlap between Bigfoot and paranormal
and UFO and even ghost experiences. There's a particular place

(01:42:01):
here in Florida where there's a haunted house that has
also been claimed to have some kind of like alien
technology left behind, and the people that go there that
are researching it, they don't collaborate very well. Like the
ghost people stick to themselves and the alien people stick
to themselves, and they kind of don't respect each other's ground.
And I think that there's some similar stuff like that,

(01:42:22):
although there's been a lot of collaboration, I think in
the Bigfoot in UFO communities there's a lot like ever
go dating back to the seventies, there was lots of
reports of like glowing orbs and balls also cited with
you know, these Bigfoot creatures. So I think because of
those ones, there's a link between them. Now, is that

(01:42:43):
link because Bigfoot and UFOs kind of hang out and
they chill, or maybe Bigfoot knows how to drive the UFO,
or maybe just because people that like are really into
bigfoot and are really into UFOs. Tend to see that
kind of stuff when you know there's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
So interesting, man, just base on the hardcore experiencers that
I've had on and I'm not just talking about with
just bigfoots are just extraterrestrials, those that have the across
the board spectrum of experiences. Again like Scott Pace, but
I've had a couple of others. I've had a young
lady last month, I forget her name, but she's had

(01:43:21):
a lifetime of extraterrestrial contact and she goes out into
the forest and she has these kind of interdimensional time
slips where she will go into a different dimension and
hang out with a tribe of bigfoots. You know, are
these people insane? I don't know. They seem to believe
their stories, most of them. I know, Scot Pace doesn't

(01:43:45):
seem to be crazy. I know he's not on any
drugs that I'm aware of, So there is It's interesting
that these people really believe their experiences, and many of
them overlap in some interesting ways.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Ye, there's more than four, but there's kind of four
main options in my mind, and if I can even
remember them all as I get through them, it'll be
a miracle. But they're either absolutely correct and just special
as hell, and just no one else gets these experiences
for some unknown reason that seems totally valid, or it's

(01:44:21):
happening to all of us and just everyone else doesn't remember,
or everyone else is just like the ones that are different.
In another way, again, it's it makes group a this
group of like special snowflakes in a way.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Another option is that they're absolutely crazy and none off.
It's actually happening and they're making it all up. And
then I think the very last one is that they're
not crazy, but they're still making it up because of
a litany of reasons, you know, human nature. So any
of those seems pretty valid to me. I don't. I

(01:44:54):
don't really, I don't necessarily lean one way more than
the other. I would I would kind of throw a
dart behind me back, and if it hit any one
of those four quadrants, I'd be okay with it for
that day, and I'd throw the dart the next time
it came up.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
I exploring it is definitely fun either way.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
All right, let's continue with some of the fun stuff
you got while we're still on the Tinfoil Hat content.
You've got Tinfoil trap house mixtape?

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
What is this? Yeah? Man, So this this was originally
inspired by Nick Natoli shout out. He's the one that
had the number one rap song. It might even been
the number one song with the number one rap song
in the country for like a week or two. It
was called Boycott Target, along with a whole bunch of other,

(01:45:43):
you know, really talented people, and it was it was
about something very political and specific. But Nick's work goes
way beyond that. And he had this song called Tinfoil
Hat and it was just one of the best and
catchiest kind of conspiracy rap songs I'd heard in such
a long time, maybe even ever. So I reached out

(01:46:03):
to him and immediately because I was already working with
Sam on this this you know this book Chaos Twins,
and Nick I think shouts out Sam Tripley in the song.
So I was like, man, this will be perfect when
the comic book comes out. What if we had like
a mixtape to sort of also double down on the promotion.
You know, maybe if you back it, you get an
advanced copy of the mixtape, maybe you get your name

(01:46:25):
in the credits or something. I don't know exactly what's
going to be, maybe like AI Voice will like say
thank you in your name or something. But this has
already got a whole list of artists that have signed
up for it, a bunch that are, you know, fairly
big names. I'm not gonna just start dropping name. Obviously,
Nick's in on it, and it'll probably end up being
like ten to fifteen tracks. If anyone's interested, you can

(01:46:48):
email me at contact at Paranoid American dot com and
see if you've got the chops. The only requirement is
it just has to be about some kind of conspiracy
theory and it has to match the theme you know,
Tinfoil trap house.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Right on excellent and you mentioned a little bit about
this last time Chosen wand dot Com issue too, which
you got going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Issue two has been done for a while. We just
need the funds to make a print run of it,
so we want to get at least like five hundred
copies made to get the price. Like it's a whole
long story, but essentially as soon as one hundred people
sign up at Chosen wand dot com then we will.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
This is about our friend Juan Ayala.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Correct, This is about the one and only monkeyologist of
the nation. Yeah one Ayala, the expert on everything homuncular
i related. But even before he was the world's for
nown homunkeyologist, we had this Chosen Wand series where he's
a podcaster that gets endued with the supernatural abilities and

(01:47:53):
he joins a secret society of podcasters that ends up
going to Inner Earth. And issue two got some cameos
again by Sam Tripoli. It's got x G and Johnny
in there. It's got Alex Stein makes an appearance in there,
a whole bunch of people. Mark Steves from My Family
thinks I'm crazy, Uh is in there. Uh. It's it's

(01:48:14):
gonna be an incredibly fun to read for anyone that's
like into this specific podcast conspiracy community. It's just full
of inside jokes and references. So it's it's a hilarious
comic and you know, it's the kind of the kind
of content you would probably expect if you like Wan
at all. Uh. And even if you don't like them,
even if you hate them, you know, get it anyway

(01:48:34):
because it's still cool.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
All right, Well, tell us about the illumin Naughty adult
comic series.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
We got a whole checklist. This is an adult series.
This was inspired originally by two different stories. One of
them was between John D and Edward Kelly, and the
story was that they summoned an angel Uriel, and the
angel basically as told by Edward Kelly. Because so, so

(01:49:03):
John De's the old guy that's got all the old
books and he's got the scrying me and everything, but
he can't talk to angels directly, so he hires Edward
Kelly to come over this younger dude. And the younger
dude shows up and he sees John D's younger wife.
They're they're like the same age, right. John D's an old,
like really really old dude. So Edward Kelly and Jane Dy.

(01:49:24):
It's funny John and Jane. He sees her and he
just basically says, as he's scrying, He's like, oh, I'm
talking to the angel Uriel. Uriel says that we must
share our wives together. Oh wow, this is crazy. I
wasn't expecting this. Well, you know, and it and it happens.
They actually from the the Diaries, this actually happens. They

(01:49:46):
you know, John D shares his wife with Edward Kelly.
So I thought, man, like, this is such a little
known but awesome story. It needs to be in a comic,
and it's hard to do it, just as like a regular,
you know, safe for everywhere comic.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Time, my distributor was telling me that the comics that
we were selling are doing great in like headshops and
adult shops and you know, places that aren't necessarily marketing
to kids. Yeah, there's this whole other, you know, sort
of customer base out there that they don't need to
be catered to without bad words and you know, everything
being safe. So he kind of told he was implying, like, dude,

(01:50:25):
if you've got some crazy ideas like Pedal to the Metal,
just put them out there. They might actually sell. So
long story short, I've got four issues over eighty pages
total of I think eight different comic stories that are
all taking place in this. One of them is also
Alistair Crowley banging Barbara Bush's mom. That's in there, and

(01:50:50):
all of it's glory that you would imagine in an
adult comic that features.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Oh how naughty are we talking? Give us an idea.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Full penetration, full nudity. There we go. Yeah, I mean,
I don't know if there's any like I don't know
what words that I'm a you're okay with me saying, Hey,
it's all I don't think there's any cumshots, but everything
outside of that. Also here that I've got a panel
with a statue of Liberty that is sitting on top

(01:51:21):
of the Washington Monument. I'll just say, but like it's
going all the way down.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Yes, you got to pick up your copies and where
can where can they find these? Once again just on
your website.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Yeah, so these ones are gonna be I don't know
how I'm gonna release them yet, man, Like this is
gonna be an advance released. I got around like one
hundred copies of each, and I haven't figured out how
I want to release Illuminati yet. There's gonna be a
much bigger wide release coming up soon, but these might
trickle through as like special limited releases during special times

(01:51:56):
of the year. I'm not totally sure yet, but if
people joined the Patreon, I will be posting digital previews
of maybe some of those stories in full, along with
advanced links on how to get the printed ones before
Uh you know again, I don't know. I really really
think that these ones can do well. So I'm hoping
that eventually I can get like thousands printed of each copy.

(01:52:18):
But we'll start out of each and see how they do.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Hell yeah, all right, we got a few more to
go over. Tell us about Mold comic series.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Mold is a story based on a lunch lady I
knew in high school. Nate, Well, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna put her name out there sure by now
like very dead, but I just felt so bad for her,
and I paired up with this writer, Michael Patrick Rogers,
who's already a very credited comic writer. He's done a

(01:52:50):
comic called Cold, which actually came out after we started Mold,
so that there's like the Cold Mold thing wasn't intentional
Called Cold, it sold out almost immediately. That was really good.
But this is about a tortured lunch lady that has
a sentient toenail fungus, and a toenail fungus ends up
talking to her and convince her to get revenge on

(01:53:12):
these kids that have been tormenting her all throughout the
school year, and she tries to resist it as much
as she can until they do something so horrendous that
I don't even want to repeat it. It's so such.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Let me ask you this, what did this lunch do
to you? As a kid?

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
She was good? The lunch lady was a good She
was just tortured by the kids at school. And I
remember just like the look in her eyes was just
absolute sadness and defeat, like why am I here? So
so that that was the inspiration I developed this whole
fictional backstory as to like why the lunch lady I
knew might have been sad. And it's a sad backstory,

(01:53:47):
but and it's it's kind of a sad comic, although
it's juxtaposed with the fact that there's this toenail fungus
that comes to life and talks to her and eventually
pulls her into this mold men where you learn that
my celium and mold is the actual scentian alien that
lives on the planet and they're just using humans for

(01:54:08):
their disposal. They essentially are letting humans evolve to the
point where they can travel the outer space, because humans
traveling the outer space is the best chance that mold
has to also spread to another planet. And we are
just convinced that we're the smart ones. But really it's
this universal conglomeration of mold. So that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
Hey, after doing the amount of mushrooms I did in
my lifetime, I kind of dig that. I can believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Right on, Well, let's talk a little bit about the
Satanic Panic pamphlets you got coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
What's going on there? That one just finished this month,
and this is by the same artist that's doing Sam's
Chaos Twins, although it's totally different demographics. In a way,
this is a pamphlet because the Satanic Panic just comes
up NonStop. I mean I went through it as a kid.
I grew up in the early eighties and nineties. Yea,

(01:55:02):
So I remember the actual police and ship reports and
making passwords with your parents, you know, if someone were
to pick you up in all of that stranger danger stuff.
I remember one hundred percent of it, and it shaped me.
It shaped you know, our entire nation, whether you wanted
to or not. So for that reason, it's always been
a fascination of mine. But it's also kind of been

(01:55:23):
coming up a lot more often back you know, back
to the adrenochrome and Quan Han and everything. In my mind,
that's just a natural extension of adrenochrome and Satanic panic.
And but it goes back so much farther because I
always wondered in my mind, like where did it come from?
Where was it before you know, the nineteen sixties, you know,
before like Richard Ramirez and before Dahmer and before like

(01:55:46):
all the Serial Killers? Where was Satanic panic at that point? Uh?
And before all of the grindhouse movies? Right, because at
some point it was almost like the movie industry and
the comic industry and the music industry, they were so
kind of pure tanical in a way that they didn't
really talk about Satan. Right, Well, that's not true at all.
In fact, Thomas Sedisen's first movie in the US featured Satan.

(01:56:10):
It was Marguerite and Mephisto, which is retelling of Faust
in the Faustian Bargain. That's kind of you know, just
the tiny little edge points of it. And then we've
got Leo Taxil who wrote this, you know, lay Mysteries
of Masonry, where he claims that the Freemasons were sacrificing
people and worshiping Baphomet and it was all Satanic. And

(01:56:32):
this triggered into like this not only an anti Mason
fervor in the early nineteen hundreds, but this like another
satanic panic that had kind of just died down. And
when I say just died down, the last person that
was actually in court for being accused of a warlock
was in like the seventeen eighties, so it hasn't been
that long since people were actually being accused in the

(01:56:56):
legal court of law of magic. I mean, he was
acquitted because it was so far beyond but apparently that
county just had that in the books at the time,
so someone was able to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
But like, we have never been removed from any sort
of satanic panic at any point. It's always waiting, it's
always coming back, and it's just like that ever green
fountain of money that media and politics and everyone can
just keep tapping into. So I do believe that there's
something to it, but I don't necessarily think it goes
through these huge waves that indicate panic. Like it's a constant.

(01:57:29):
Even even when the Clinton legacy goes away, there'll be
another family to replace, some taking all the adrenachrome.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
So yeah, right on, all right, Well, let's close on this.
You got a couple of more pamphlets you're working on
about Bigfoot, kup brick, the Titanic, tell us a little
bit about those.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
Yeah, it's so much going on the Bigfoot pamphlet I'm
doing with Nate from Reality is Ours, although we've consulted
with a number of you know, quote unquote bigfoot experts
in the field, so it includes absolutely every theory that
we've come across, except for some more adult ones that
maybe I can share. If you want to hear something, Yeah, man,

(01:58:07):
there's okay, I'll just skip right to it because this
one it's silly. But Nate said that he's heard it
from more than one person, so I'm going to repeat it,
and let's just make it a thing. But that bigfoot
has a cock that is so unbelievably big and beautiful
that apparently you just orgasm on site from seeing it.
And this might even conflate with the men in black effect, right,

(01:58:32):
maybe it's not the men in black with a little
wand maybe it's just the bigfoot wand and you see
it and you pass out and you wake up and
like just your ego can't ever recall seeing something so
majestic that was also so similar.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
So like, did I use my pants?

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
What's going on here? Right, yeah, exactly to have a
wet dream. What's going on? I thought I was hunting,
so I don't know. That's the only seriously, it is
the only theory that hasn't made it into the pamphlet.
But again, the pamphlet is really just meant to like
wet your taste, buds. It's to say like, oh, I've
heard Bigfoot before, I've seen Harry and the header sins,
I've seen you know, the Powderson good one footage. I
know everything is to know, and then you en it

(01:59:12):
up and you're like, wait, what's this about interdimensional Bigfoot?
What's this about homeless Bigfoot? What's this about you know,
alien encounters? Okay, maybe I don't know everything about Bigfoot.
So it really does aim to hit every single cultural
reference and historical reporend. It's got Harry Mary in there,
you know, it's got like every version of Bigfoot you
may have ever heard, and that's the goal. So that

(01:59:33):
one's going to be really fun. It's in production right now.
I just got the first two pages done from the artists,
so I'm hoping that'll be uh out or announced by
the end of the year. Hell yeah, awesome, man, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
You got some fantastic stuff going on before you head out.
Once again, let the audience know where to find all
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Yep, Paranoid American dot com, Chaos Twins dot com, rappel Drip,
funhouse dot com. Uh, you see a sort of a
pattern going here, and then if you want to really
get the latest up to date info, where the stuff's
coming out, the advanced options to get some of it,
like a Yeah, I got I got two little quick ones.

(02:00:17):
This is my Hunter bike. They're all handmade. They've all
got a little like dime back, got a little beer guns,
some panties. They're all hand numbered, they're handmade. They're all different,
just like the The thing says, every party is different,
and it's got this cool little like nutrition or a
nepotism facts, not nutritional facts, all about Hunter. So these

(02:00:41):
are gonna be coming out. It'll be first, you know,
drop on my on my Patreon, and then some one's
just a prototype. This is not the final version, trust me.
It's gonna look just as professionals all my other stuff.
So the background says the Hillary Clinton super Predator playset,
but uh, the toys inside are actually from another thing.
I'm working on, which is the Stanley Kubrick Apollo Landing set.

(02:01:05):
And if you can't really see it right now because
I got to get it up. We've got Stanley Kubrick
with a camera, We've got two spacemen, and then we've
got a little moon rock with the letters C on it.
So this will be a whole series of different kind
of like playsets and action figures. And I'm trying to
branch out, man, I'm trying to branch out and all

(02:01:25):
of the things.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
This is fantastic. I wish I had this stuff around
when I was growing up.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
This is great, all right man.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
We will definitely do this again. Thank you so much.
Always a great conversation. And until next time, everyone, have
an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. See y'all then,

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