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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Now enjoy this episode Today, I want to welcome Mel Madison.

(00:49):
He is a writer, founder, and fintech executive who explores
what he calls the deep economic state. He brings real
world authenticity to his finalecial narratives and combines this insider
knowledge with a critical eye towards the economic forces that
shape all our lives. Mel, welcome, how you doing doing wonderful?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Thanks so much for coming on. This is a very
important discussion. We're going to talk about the state of
our national and global economies and the unfortunate reality that
a group of powerful lizard people have always been in
control of our global financial systems, and that leads to
some ideas about how to avoid being assimilated into the

(01:38):
BORG and becoming victims of some sort of global economic collapse.
Now there's a lot that could happen in the future.
There's a lot that's happening right now, which we're going
to get into. But before we get into any of it,
this is your first time on tell us a little
bit more about yourself, your background, and what led you
to this work.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Sure so, as you mentioned, my name is Madison and
I come from a financial services background. Is this frozen
the camera a little bit?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Is that all right?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, it looks frozen, but that's okay. Hopefully it'll catch
back up. All right, technical difficulties, that's all good, we're back.
We're going to do this audio only, and we were
starting out with a little bit about yourself, your background,
and what led you to your work.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Sure, so, my background is in financial services. I've worked
in the financial industry for over twenty years, working for
asset managers like Rustle Investments, people that manage other people's money.
I've worked for small small broker dealers and companies that
I've had instrumental roles in founding and getting started, serving

(02:52):
as the CEO for three different finra SEC registered broker dealers. Basically,
venture capital Fund did startups that help people fund their
stock options if they worked at companies like an Uber
Airbnb before they went public, and so I've tried to

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do things to help out people where I can in
the industry. However, what I noticed from the very beginning,
and you couldn't really shake, was just the mechanics, the plumbing,
what was going on behind the scenes with the bigger picture.
And when I'm talking about the bigger picture, I'm really

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talking about what I sometimes called the deep economic state,
and what that is really is the monetary the fiscal
policies that are put in place that affect everybody's life.
I'm talking about things as basic as like the US dollar,
what our currency really is, what central banks really do.

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And so at a certain point I decided that I
wanted to explore that more. I had always had a
curio natural curiosity. I studied, you know, philosophy as an
undergraduate at Loyola University, Chicago. I later went back to
school and got an MBA from Duke University. But the

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whole underpinnings of kind of questioning society, questioning the big picture,
questioning reality really has never left me despite twenty plus
years working in a practical field like finance, and so
a couple of years ago I decided to take a
lot of what I've been learning and researching and thinking

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about and put it into a novel which I wrote
and was fortunate enough to get published called Quas. It's
a financial thriller, and basically what it does is it
explores a lot of the machinations with things like central
bank digital currencies, the debasement of the dollar and inflation,

(05:00):
the dollars, reserve status, international organizations like the Bank for
International Settlements which is the central bank for central banks,
which we might get into later. And so these were
just all kinds of ideas that I decided that I
could take my natural inquisitiveness and you know, questioning of
the world, combine it with some of my finance background,

(05:23):
and try to put it into a thriller, which I
happen to also be a big fan and love to read.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Perfect great introduction, I think we should start out with
one of the biggest catchy terms that really float around
in this community, about the deepest levels of what we're
looking at in the sense of control, and that's what
we call the deep state or deep economic state. What

(05:52):
is your definition of this?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, so I think you know, almost to kind of
you know, get to a little bit of the punt
and then you know, we can explore and flesh it
out from there. Really is you know, I listen to
a lot of great minds and thinkers in a lot
of the areas that your show explores, and a lot
of the times, you know, what they're doing is they're

(06:15):
putting together, whether it be with the accult or from
a biblical perspective, they're looking at this kind of global
or really maybe universal battle that is upon us, and
they're looking at it from that high level, from the
overall level stretching back thousands of years. And what I

(06:37):
really focus on in my work is I kind of
take it down one more level. I hear a lot
of people talk about, like, you know, an economic collapse
will be part of this, or a global currency or
global government, new world order will be part of this
ultimate kind of armagaddon battle that we're all believe is
coming one day or the other. And I think what

(07:01):
I try to do is to flesh out sort of
the nuts and bolts on the economic side of this
and how that could play in to what else is
going on on a larger global scale. So when I
look at things like the deep economic state and what's
happening there, what I'm really looking at is the nexus
of economic power and where that is truly centered, where

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it's centered on an international basis, and international organizations like
the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the Bank for
International Settlements, what these organizations do, what they've been doing
post World War Two and the Breton Woods Economic Conference,
and what that resulted in, and how that intersects with

(07:47):
the large moneyed interests of the world, from the more
private sector, which i'm talking here about banking cartels, the
modern day predecessors to like Rothschilds and the people that
have been kind of using armies and wars as their
chess pieces as they amass more and more wealth and power.

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And so that's really what I'm focusing in on, and
not only what have they done and what's their history,
but what are they doing now and what do they
kind of have, you know, rolled up their sleeves and
are looking to roll out in the not too dis
in future.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Maybe we could go through a little bit of that
history that you just mentioned so that we can get
a good idea of where this is all coming from
and ultimately have a better idea where it's going too.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Sure, So I think a good place to start is
probably around sixteen ninety four and with William the Third,
who was the King of England at the time. And
you know, up until this point in time, really western civilization,
wealth was centered around land, and ownership of land was wealth,

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and this began a transition at this timeframe of wealth
transferring from the land to money. And in the way
that this really began and how this all started was
William was, as a lot of sovereigns were at the time,
involved in a lot of wars. But he had gotten
to a point where he had taxed his people so

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much that he could no longer increase their taxes. And
he also borrowed money from wealthy individuals bankers if you will,
of the day, and he had defaulted and so he
could not borrow anymore. His credit was no good. And
yet he wanted or needed, in his mind, one point
five million pounds to build a fleet to attack France,

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but he didn't have the money. And basically what happened
was he got together with the bankers and they said,
we have a way to get you the gold to
buy your fleet. We'll get that gold from the people,
We'll get it into your treasury and that way we
as the bankers, don't have to put our money at
risk and you don't have to tax the people. And

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what he did in sixteen ninety four was he created
what is really the first modern central bank, the Bank
of England. This is the central bank that, in one
way or another, all modern central banks are based upon.
And the whole purpose of a central bank is to
siphon money from the people to the government through the
hands of bankers who profit on this activity. And what

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he did was he gave these bankers the right to
print money, and the bankers would go out and they
would collect gold from the people, give them paper notes
in return, and then funnel that goal to the treasury
in terms of debt that was not being financed by
the bankers, but rather by this central bank, which is

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siphoning the money from the people. And that that whole
system has over the last three hundred and thirty years
or what have you. Since it was put into place,
it has grown, it has morphed, it has metastasized. But
at its core that is the role of the central
bank to siphon money from the people to the government

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to carry out their aims while at the same time
enriching the people that facilitate this.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
One of the big questions that often comes up is
if the government is indeed just printing money out of
an air, then institutions like the FED, who really owns this?
And is this just a private corporation.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, so it's funny you mentioned that, but you know,
if you go to let's say, the Federal Reserve Bank
of Saint Louis, so just to take one step back
from there. So what happened was there was a at
least some sense of a control mechanism in place until

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basically the nineteen seventies because of the fact that there
was gold behind that. As I'm sure all your listeners
are aware, you know, we have not been on a
gold standard. We our money is pure fiat money basically
since nineteen seventy one, when when Nixon removed us from
the gold standard. And there's a whole lot of you know,
things involved with that and the groundwork being laid for that.

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Post World War two CIA influences and all of this
a lot of overlap between the CIA and a lot
of these organizations that kind of run the monetary world.
You know, you had you had guys like Dullest, you know,
the father almost if you will. The CIA located and

(12:54):
burned Switzerland, the same location as the Bank for International
Settlements during World War Two. We're seeing not only CIA activities,
but ways in which these central banks, you know, funded
the Third Reich and funded Nazi Germany with money from
Wall Street. And so you had all of these things
happened between sixteen ninety four and let's call it seventy

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one when the gold standard came off. But basically what
our Federal Reserve does, and it's our the United States
third Central Bank. There was a first central Bank that
Alexander Hamilton put in place. Thomas Jefferson was very much
against it. It had a twenty year charter by Congress,
and that charter was never renewed. They tried it again

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with a second central bank that again there were political
forces against this, and eventually Andrew Jackson decided, you know,
I'm going to pay off the national debt and this
bank is going to be over and the second central
bank ended that was around eighteen thirty six, and so
there was a period of time where we didn't have
a central bank. But the Federal Reserve came in place

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in nineteen thirteen, and they realized that they needed to
structure it in such a way as to camouflage, you know,
the bankers behind it, and so it's a two tiered bank.
There's what we call the Board of Governors. This is
the face of the Federal Reserve, people like Jerome Powell
that are appointed by the president. But underneath it you

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have twelve regional federal banks. You have a Federal Bank,
a Reserve Bank of New York, a Federal Reserve Bank
of Saint Louis, a Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco,
a Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, basically the twelve of
the biggest cities back in the early part of the
nineteen hundreds. And that's why you have places like Richmond
FED and a Cleveland FED. But you don't have like

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a Seattle FED because it really wasn't a player back then.
And if you actually go to the Saint Louis Fed website.
There's a question there and it says, you know, FAQ
who owns Federal Reserve bank banks? And they tell you
straight up, they say, this is a quote from the website.
While the Board of Governors is an independent government agency,

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the Federal Reserve banks, these are these twelve regional banks
are set up like private corporations member banks, and by
member banks, they're talking about city banks, JP, Morgan, Bank
of America. Member banks hold stock in the Federal Reserve
banks and earn dividends. So when people try to talk
to you and say, oh, well, the Federal Reserve you

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know it's kind of government run or you know, it's
like kind of a non for profit thing and stuff,
they're really talking about the overall Board of Governors. But
underneath that, when you get into these regional banks, this
is where the member banks, the moneyed interests, the heirs
to the rothschilds, exert their power. So not only do

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they own the stock in these banks, but they also
elect six of the nine board members of each of
these banks. So each of the Federal Reserve banks has
nine board members and the bank members get to pick
those and so this is where the control comes in
and when you go and you look and you say, well,
who are these board members that the banks are picking

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to You know, for example, on the New York Fed website,
you can say who did the banks pick to represent
the public? And you have people like our Vid Krishna
chairman and CEO IBN Dna Friedman, President, chief of Officer
of NASDAC. And when you look at these people, you
can see connections to Lockheed Martin. You see. So who

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is really controlling the Federal Reserve is these board governors
I board governors. These board members are the reserve banks,
which are essentially CEOs of Wall Street banks, CEOs of
global international corporations. And just like any corporation, it's there
to serve the stockholders and it's there to do the

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bidding of the board. In the case of Federal Reserve banks,
the reserve the regional banks, those stockholders are banks themselves,
and the board members are basically international globalist corporate and
banking titans. So that's who the Federal Reserve serves.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right now. While we're still in the historical realms, let's
take a look at the importance of the events of
World War two and how they paid the way for
this globalization plan. There were plans before made by the
Third Reich that really resembled some of the events that

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we're seeing playing out right now, along with everything connected
to Project paper Clip, the Nazis that we brought over
involved when CIA and how this all came together to
really form this plan for what we're seeing right.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now exactly so they have been And when I say they,
I'm talking about the money that leads the type of
people you know that I just mentioned, the people that
are the you know, thousand, two thousand families in the
world that essentially control and manipulate society for whatever kind

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of benefits and suits their aims. And you know, like
I said, it's not my area expertise of what is
actually behind these people, what type of you know, demonic
or you know, biblical type forces are there. But I
do know, and I haven't spent a lot of time
researching into it, but you do see a lot of

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these people having these types of occult type belief systems
in place, you know, the worshiping of certain gods and
certain pagan type ritual activities. You also have a lot
of sexual perversion, You have a lot of incestuous relationships

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in families such as the Rothschilds, you know, the roth Child's,
you know they there was the founder mayor Rothschild out
of Frankfurt, Germany. He had five sons who essentially set
up offices around Europe in London and Naples and Paris,

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and all of these their children essentially married cousins or
they married nieces, you know. They they made royal families
in breeding look like nothing. They took things to a
new level. And so this is really where these people

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what the heritage is. And with the Rothschilds in particular,
they in the in the eighteen hundreds were already starting
to think about couldn't we you know, facilitate all of
our goals a lot easier if we didn't have these
things like national sovereignty and multiple currencies and trade tariffs.

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And so there was already this impetus for a global government,
a global society because they saw the nationalistic borders and
so on as impediments to increasing their profits. And what
happened eventually was in nineteen thirty, as a result of

(20:33):
a need to get reparation payments from Germany to the
victors of World War One, they set up this international
organization in Basel, Switzerland called the Bank for International Settlements,
and the idea of this bank was that it would facilitate,
you know, central bank activity from one central bank to another.

(20:55):
It would essentially form a service not too different than
the Knights Templar, where the Knights Templar would hold gold
and people on one end of the known world could
send money to the other end by just telling a
Knights Templar in Europe to hand over x amount of

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gold bars in Jerusalem, and the gold didn't really need
to move. And so the idea was that this bank
would become the central bank for central banks, and a
central bank like Czechoslovakia could just have its gold in
a account under the name of the Bank for International Settlements,
and if Czechoslovakia wanted to send money to England, you know,

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it could just tell the BIS to make the book
entry and the gold gets transferred. And so essentially what
happened was was this reparation payments, and the whole initial
idea very quickly fell apart the stock market crash in
nineteen twenty nine. The Bank for International Settlements was found
in nineteen thirty and the world entered into a great

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depression and Germany was unable to do reparation payments. So
the BIS, as it's called the Bank for International Settlements,
needed to find a way to preserve its bureaucracy, preserve
its ability to function, which by the way, is extraordinary.
So the BIS is founded under international treaty. Its territory

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in Basel, Switzerland. Its headquarters, known as the Tower of Basel,
very similar to the Tower of Babel, happens to be
semi sovereign ground. Swiss authorities cannot go on there. It
has embassy like status. The managers of the Bank for
International Settlements can travel internationally with diplomatic pouches. They have

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immunity from prosecution the Bank for International Settlements. Their assets
cannot be seized by any foreign government. They have all
kinds of these international protections, the likes of which you
know no other bank has, and really almost no It's
almost like a vacant city of bankers, if you will.

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In every two months to this day, the leaders of
sixty three central banks come to Basel, Switzerland to meet
in secret. This is Jerome Powell, this is Christina Leguard,
who runs the European Central Bank, They also meet with
adversaries like the governor of the People's Bank of China.
The whole world's central bankers come to meet every two

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months in secret, and the media never talks about it.
The press never talks about it. The BIS does not
allow cameras, They do not release minutes of the meeting.
They don't even take minutes of the meeting. They don't want.
They want the ability for these bankers to essentially talk
about what they're going to do with the global economy

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and complete and complete comfort and secrecy. They have gourmet
meals on the eighteenth floor dining room with a fancy,
elaborate chefs, and that the dining room was designed by
the same architects that did the birds Nest Stadium in China.
There's a private country club on the outscourts of Basel.
This is basically a central bank retreat where these interests come.

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And it's a little bit of a rothschild wet dream,
because this is what the Rothschilds really did. The Rothschilds
were not, you know, taking deposits from the average Joe
and loaning people money to buy a house or a car.
The Rothschilds were bankers to countries. They were bankers to kings.

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You know, it was said during the time that the
you know, you know, our kings are now kneeling to
the Rothschilds. Because if a king wanted to do something,
if a king wanted to have a war, if the
king wanted to do an infrastructure project in his country,
whatever a king wanted to do back and we're talking
around the eighteen hundreds, they essentially needed to go to

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the Rothschilds to get the money and the gold to
do it. And so this whole process which started with
the Rothschilds, which started to come into place during the thirties,
was really hijacked in a sense by Nazi folks and
people as part of the Third Reich. By the time

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World War two had started, you know, about half of
the board of the Bank for International Settlements were Germans.
They were people with strong ties to Hitler. There was
one of the board members. And in this organization, the
Bank for International Settlements, it still exists, it's still going on.
All this is still going on. And yet this was

(25:38):
a bank that during World War two facilitated UH gold
transfers from the countries like Czechoslovakia, after Hitler invaded it.
Because Czechoslovakia had given the gold to the BIS, the
BIS transferred this gold to Berlin to fuel the Nazi
war machine. As I mentioned, half of their board of
directors were Germans Nazi members. One of their guy's name

(26:01):
I think that emt Pool. He was in charge of
gold confiscation at concentration camps, taking the teeth of Jews.
These people were pretty much as disreputable as they come.
And yet after the war, when five of the board
members of the BIS were arrested for war crimes, they
somehow all got off with probation or off on appeals.

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None of them were hung, none of them were taken
out to the woodshed, as were a lot of people
with these types of ties to the Third Reich. And
so you see that all of this was left into
place to essentially continue what had already started from an
economic perspective back in the twenties and thirties, with Wall
Street funding, these large German conglomerates like ig Farbin, which

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were just simply broken up and given new names, and
then they became Bear Pharmaceuticals or whatever, these companies that
we still have today, and this Nazi Third right plan,
which this was the plan that you know Hitler had
okayed during the war, was post war, we're going to
get rid of European borders. We're going to institute a

(27:13):
pan European currency. We're going to have it all headquartered
out of Frankfurt, Germany, the ancestral home of the Rothschilds
and the people at the BIS, the people in these
international financial elites. Once they realized the war was going
to be over, they said, there's no reason we can't
continue with our economic plan. And so they're like, we're

(27:34):
going to lose the military war, but we can still
do the same thing. And that's why today you have
an a the euro currency, you have the entire you know,
no trade borders, no work and labor borders in Western Europe,
and you have it all being run out of the
European Central Bank, which is of course headquartered in Frankfurt, Germany.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Now I want to get into our modern economic situation
a bit, starting with the era of COVID and the
level of orchestration we saw behind the steering of these
agendas and where we are now. What are your thoughts
on everything that is unfolded and how integral were those

(28:20):
events to create the economic situation we're in.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, well, I think, I mean, I think COVID, whether
it was created for this person or just seized upon
as an opportunity, it gave the powers the opportunity to
do what I call like a military feint. You know,
so a general wants as an attack plan, he doesn't
want to send his whole army in. He wants to

(28:45):
send a small amount of troops to see how the
enemy reacts. And I think COVID gave them the perfect
opportunity to see how do the people react when we
lock them up in their homes, when we forced them
to get shots, when we tell them they can't see
each other, they can't celebrate their holidays together. They when
we essentially, you know, put the clamps on the people

(29:09):
for for absolute control, which which is their ultimate aim.
And so I think that COVID was used as a
dry run. It was to see how people react. It
was to figure out, you know, what should we do
next time when we're going to do this on a larger,
more permanent scale. How do we need to handle cities,
how do we need to handle riots, how do we

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need to handle looting? And so it gave them the
opportunity on a temporary and relatively small scale basis to
see what it looks like when you literally lock down
the world. And and they they took notes, and they're
and they're getting ready, ready for the next chapter. And
I think part of it is is is really centered

(29:51):
around an economic collapse that they are engineering, that they're
aware is coming, and that they are going to once
again seize upon as an opportunity to further their aims, which,
similar to COVID being a small step, I think the

(30:11):
actions taken post World War Two in Europe were a
small step of how do we globalize the world, how
do we put in this new world order? How do
we essentially dissolve sovereign nations, dissolve the rights of countries
to control their own money supply. And you know, it's

(30:32):
like Mayor Rothschild said his famous quote, you know, if
give me the power to print and coin a nation's money,
I care not who makes its laws. And you know,
right now you have this in all of Europe. You know,
the people don't have any say in who makes and
coins their money. It's it's a European central bank that's
under the auspices of the European Parliament, and it's dominated

(30:57):
by the Deutsche Bank, the German the German Central Bank,
because they they're by far the largest economy in Europe.
There they've always been a massive manufacturing hub. They've always
been the the engine of European economy. And and and
the rest of the states have become you know, surf
like states, and it's it's moving towards that direction on

(31:19):
a global basis to say, Okay, here, here's what we're
going to do for the globe, and we're going to
use this economic collapse that I believe is coming to
put into place, you know, our global currency. And that's
the step towards you know, the dissolution of global sovereignty
and the one world order. I think that there are

(31:40):
emerging tentacles of the beast, if you will, that are
not you know, part of this Western bloodline pack that
don't like it, you know. And this is really kind
of Russia and China and India in particular, who I
think are lining up on the other end end of
this and have their own, uh game plan for international control.

(32:08):
And so what it is is we're leading up to
this era of you know, the Western bloodlines with these
packs between the other bloodlines, you know, fighting it out
to see who is going to take over the entire planet.
And this this is essentially the lead up to, you know,
basically an armageddon and apocalypse however you want to refer

(32:31):
to it, and end times and a lot of you know,
biblical prophecy and things that you know are in whether
it's the Book of Revelation or other scripture. You know,
you see a lot of these things coming into place,
and I think the economic side of it is going
to be a big part of it, and it's going
to be part of the collapse and calamity that can

(32:54):
then dissolve and spiral into an actual hot war, in
which case, you know, the final battle comes.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Let's learn a little bit more about what CBDCs really are.
Central Bank Digital Currencies and the BIS Blueprint for the
Future Monetary System. Tell us a little bit about this.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, So the Bank for International Settlements, which has always
been a key player in all of these globalization moves,
what they've recently done in the last i'd say ten
or fifteen years is they've taken the lead on the
construction of the technology and the rails if you will

(33:40):
to put into place central bank digital currencies, which essentially
cbdc's as they're called, is a digital version of paper money.
I call it sometimes like they're like marked bills on steroids.
So you know, you watch a movie and they use

(34:00):
mark bills because they can see where they're going, find
out what the criminal is up to. But with CBDCs,
not only can they know exactly what every single transaction
is taking place, who's giving money to whom, who's buying what,
but CBDCs have this added benefit which they refer to
in their white papers of called programmability. And what that

(34:24):
is is that's, you know, a non threatening term for
a very threatening aspect of a central bank digital currency,
which is that it can be programmed by the people
that issue it in the central bank. It can be
programmed to turn on and turn off. It can be
programmed to allow transfers only to the people that it
wants those transfers to go to. It can be allowed to, oh,

(34:47):
you know, you've expended your fossil fuel allowance for the month,
or you've bought enough ammunition for the month, or and
so this programmability component is a big part of the
push for central bank digital current excuse. The other big
push for CBDCs comes from the fact that there's now
a threat to the entire you know, economic system from

(35:09):
digital assets, you know, from things like bitcoin and things
like stable coins. So even if you don't get into bitcoin,
but even if you look at something as basic as
a stable coin, which is essentially a digital dollar that's
issued by a private company, Like the biggest one is Circle.
They have a coin usd C, and what they do

(35:31):
is they take money from the user. They buy US treasuries,
like short term debt like one to threem treasuries, and
that backs this digital asset. And what that does is
that cuts out the bankers from the banking system. And
so the user is able to get a form of

(35:53):
currency essentially directly from the debt created by the government,
without it going through through the central bank, which is
controlled by the member banks, which are the bankers. And
why does it need to go through a central bank?
Why has a stable coined such a threat? Because when
banks go out and they buy US debt, they're then

(36:16):
able to put that on their balance sheet and say, oh,
I have a million dollars in US debt. Therefore I
can go and loan out nine hundred thousand dollars, and
then you know, fractional reserve banking is the term. And
in this way, these banks essentially print money themselves. So
the central bank can print money by simply entering ones

(36:36):
and zeros on a computer and buying US debt and
that creates money. But commercial banks can print money too
by fractional reserve banking. And so they take that million
dollars they loan out nine hundred thousand, they keep a
ten percent reserve. That nine hundred thousand goes into the system,
perhaps to another commercial bank. That commercial bank can then

(36:58):
lend out ninety percent of that nine hundred thousand, and
so on and so forth. And the interest that the
banking conglomerates make by essentially buying US debt and then
loaning it out in multiples of what they buy basically leverage.
The stable coin cuts that out. And so what the

(37:20):
bank central bankers are doing is they're coming up with
a central bank digital currency. It's going to be programmable,
and there's going to be two levels of it. There's
going to be a retail level that people use, and
then there's going to be a wholesale central bank digital
currency that is for banks to trade amongst themselves and

(37:41):
between central banks. And in this way you get the
benefits of like a stable coin, which would be like
instantaneous payment, but it has to go through the banking
system and allow these bankers to continue their fractional reserve banking.
And so this threat and who's leading the charge on
all of the nuts and bolts, because it is extremely

(38:03):
complicated to do on a global scale with different currencies,
different central banks. Everything that's happening before it would get
to a global central bank digital currency is the Bank
for International Settlement. They published long papers. They came out
not too long ago with a paper called the Blueprint
for the Future Monetary System. And not only does it

(38:23):
have central bank digital currencies in the programmability, but they
also want to do what they call the tokenization of assets.
So they want to take you know, your car, the
title to your home, everything that you own and create
a digital asset basic a token that they also can control.
So not only can they control the money, they can

(38:44):
control the transfer of ownership of goods and throughout throughout
the world economy. And so this central bank digital currency,
and why a lot of people you know, are really
starting to try to get educated about it and don't
like it is because because it's essentially handing to the
bankers and the global olibitis probably the greatest control mechanism

(39:07):
in the history of humanity. The ability to control money transaction,
to the data to see every transaction, the ability to
program that money, and then to take it a level further,
the ability to have control and essentially custody over the
world's assets.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Where do you think Biggoing falls into all of this.
I have some friends that believe this is going to
be something that we can gravitate towards to escape this
this system, or this could be something that could be
tied to the system in the future.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
What do you think, Well, I think if barring you know,
some unforeseen circumstance, that bitcoin certainly has the ability to
be the world's digital goal. I just think that it's
only been around for a little more than a decade,
whereas with things like gold and silver you have thousands

(40:03):
of years of history. And but the premise, the idea
behind bitcoin is essentially to create a digital goal. I mean,
the determinology is the same. There's bitcoin miners like there's
gold miners. And you know Toshi Nakamoto, the you know,
unknown creator of bitcoin. You know, he referenced in his

(40:24):
initial white paper this digital gold. And so the idea
behind it is that there's this digital you know, essentially
asset that it takes work to get. You know, it
has to be mine. It costs money. You know, a
lot of electricity is going into bitcoin miners to mine this.

(40:45):
It gets harder and harder to mine as time goes by.
We're coming up on another having where half of the
bitcoins will be available. And the idea is that you know,
it's not in any way connected to or under the
control of a government, So all of those things I love.
It sounds like an amazing idea. If it can fulfill

(41:05):
that promise, it has the potential to be the new
digital goal. And I think there will be a place
for gold, and there'll be a place for silver, and
there can be a place for bitcoin. I think right
now the marketplace is full of a lot of people
who are affecting the price of it on pure speculation
for short, short term profits. And so it's what you know,

(41:29):
we would call in market terminology, it's going through a
process of price discovery. What should this asset really be worth,
and that's creating volatility, and that's why last year it
might have traded down to twenty thousand. Now it's a
fifty thousand two years ago with sixty nine thousand, so
it's going all over the place, which doesn't make it
a very good source of wealth preservation at this point

(41:50):
in time. It's still a speculative asset in my mind,
whereas assets like gold and silver are truly wealth preservation assets.
You can essentially take one ounce of gold today and
it's worth two thousand dollars and buy a nice suit,
a nice pair of shoes, a nice shirt, a nice tie,
and two thousand years ago, in ancient Rome, you could

(42:12):
take one ounce of gold and you could buy a
nice pair of sandals and a nice toga, and that
one ounce of gold could could suit up a man
nicely two thousand years ago, and one ounce of gold
can suit up a man nicely today, whereas obviously that's
not the case with a dollar, right. You know, for
ten dollars, you know you could suit up nicely in
eighteen eighty and now you know it costs two thousand,

(42:34):
So the dollar is an absolutely you know, it's an
asset heading to on a constant path to zero, and
everybody recognizes that, and you know, it's evident in the facts.
And what's happening now is that, given the departure from

(42:55):
a gold backed system in the nineteen seventies, is that
things are beginning to spiral out of control. And this
is what's laying the seeds of this pending collapse. And
what really is the issue is that the United States government,
the issuer of the dollar through the Federal Reserve, has
over extended itself in a way that is just absolutely unsustainable. So,

(43:21):
you know, we we have had large debts and deficits
for a long time, but following the financial crisis in
eight oh nine and then following COVID, the amount of
you know, social spending just it went up exponentially. So
if you look at the world's total amount of debt

(43:42):
in twenty twelve, it was around one hundred percent of GDP,
that the total economic activity of the world. In ten years,
more or less, it's gone from one hundred percent of
GDP to three hundred and thirty six percent of GDP.
And so there's just if it's like a hockey stick
chart of debt and to make matters worse, it's not

(44:02):
only the money that we're spending just to get by.
We're also now spending a lot more on interest expense
on the debt. So the interest rates have gone up
because of inflation, forcing the Fed to raise rates. And
then the big sign post that I think could be
the trigger event for this global collapse is that in

(44:25):
twenty thirty three or thereabouts, the largest expenditures of the government,
which are Social Security and Medicare, those trust funds are
going to go bankrupt. And this is not like my theory,
this is what the Congressional Budget Office releases in their
annual reports that we essentially in twenty twenty we hit

(44:47):
a high water mark in Social Security Trust Fund assets
and it's just decreasing, decreasing, decreasing. And the thing about
the Social Security Trust Fund is when it runs dry,
the national debt of the United States is something like
thirty four trillion, but we have two hundred trillion in

(45:09):
unfunded liabilities from Social Security and Medicare, and so this
is just going to be so unsustainable, and it's right
around the corner. One of the largest bond traders in
the world, Jeffrey Gunlock, said the other week, he said,
you know, the US debt and deficit will not be

(45:29):
a major issue in the twenty twenty four election. It
will be the only issue that really matters in the
twenty twenty eight election because we are heading to bankruptcy
as a nation. The world is on the same path
as we are. China is in a horrible economic situation,
Europe is in a horrible economic all this whole house

(45:51):
of cards of this central bank OLIGAPI and the Fiat
money global economic system post World War two, Breton Woods,
it is. It is collapsing. And this is where you know,
people are starting to talk about an economic reset is
going to be necessary of Breton Woods two point zero.

(46:13):
And these are the type of events that if you
look at the last major war, World War two, what
preceded it was an economic collapse. There's a boom time
in the twenties and then a collapse in the thirties.
And I think we're having another boom time in the twenties.
The stock market's not far from time highs, but we
are going to pay the price in the thirties and

(46:36):
this is going to set the stage for this, you know,
epic World War battle to take place, I believe sometime
in the thirties and forties. Replaying history as often happens.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Do you think that it's inevitable that we are going
to see the role out of universal basic income on
a certain level.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yes, I do think that their plan and a lot
of the things that you look at in the media
today and you think this doesn't make sense, but when
you look at it from the deep economic state perspective,
it makes perfect sense. So you look at things like
immigration in the United States and you say, why in
the world would anyone want seven or eight million people

(47:22):
to just rush across our borders. Well, what has happened
is the Baby Boomers were a huge generation and the
Gen X was a much smaller generation. And when the
baby Boomers started retiring, combine with a lower fertility rate,
combined with the fact that a lot of especially males,

(47:45):
have literally dropped out of the workforce, we are in
the midst of a labor crisis in this country. And
that's why, even though you have the Federal Reserve raising
interest rates, and you have all these immigrants coming, we still,
at least upon the reported numbers, have a three point
six percent or three point seven percent unemployment rate, a
very low unemployment rate because there's this need for workers.

(48:08):
If the free market were allowed to work without this
influx of millions of workers who are willing to work
for low wages, what would happen is we'd start to
see power shift from the corporations and the banks to
the average worker. And you know, you saw certain things
like you know, Ups negotiating thirty percent raises, the Boeing

(48:30):
workers are getting ready to negotiate, you know, expected to
be a thirty forty percent raise, and all this would
hurt the profit margins of these global corporations. And so
the global corporate elites, in order to keep the balance
of power with the management and not with labor, said
we need an influx of workers into this country. And

(48:52):
and you know, especially after COVID and the Trump efforts
to shut down the border, combined with all those demographic
issues like baby boomer's retirement, we were around eight to
ten million workers short at the time that Biden came
into office, and that's about exactly what he's let in
so far. And so what what's happening with immigration is

(49:16):
they're they're putting their waving their hand over here. These Uh,
these so called you know, conservatives who are really shills
for the corporate interests, and they're saying this is a
demograph a democrat you know, ployed to reporters, but in secret,
they're actually very happy that this is going on. And
that's why it continues, because it's serving the corporate interest

(49:38):
and it will continue to serve the corporate interests until
it gets to a point where, you know, uh, the
the unemployment rate goes up and then the jobs, you know,
all the jobs are filled at low wages. And I
mean they even they even talk about it, like you
can listen to some of these people talk about, well,

(49:59):
you know, from the time a child is born until
he enters the workforce. You know, state and local governments
and federal governments spend around three hundred thousand per child
in the US to get to a worker. Well, if
you let in an illegal immigrant, even if you spend
thirty thousand dollars to get them set up somewhere, eventually,
once they start working, you just got a worker for

(50:20):
thirty thousand immediately instead of three hundred thousand, and it
takes twenty years. And so they're bringing in cheap labor
and the states that need cheap labor the most are
states like California, because no American really wants to work
there because unless you make a million dollars a year,
your standard of living sucks because everything is so expensive.

(50:42):
And so, you know, bring in people from China, give
them things like universal basic income to get started, get
them under control, get them used to sucking from the
government teeth. All of these things are part of you know,
breeding the sheep and in taking away the natural inclinations

(51:04):
towards liberty and freedom that the American people represent as
essentially one of the last strongholds before this globalist agenda
can happen. And so that's why the American sovereignty and
spirit has to be broken for these plans to be
put into place. And I believe the way they're planning
to dat is by an economic collapse of this country

(51:27):
and then that will allow people to say, look, America,
you need to enter this global organization or you're screwed.
And now they've got us where they want us. So
they're engineering this collapse. They want the collapse to happen,
and it's going to be used as the pretext for
entering into this global new world.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Order.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Well, for the last few minutes we have, let's talk
a little bit about how you see this collapse unfolding
and what we could possibly do to prepare for this.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Sure So, I think one thing that is inevitable is
the massive decline in the dollar. So on a very
basic level, you know, I think people that hold any
savings simply in dollars need to find a way to
put it into something that even if a bredon Woods

(52:22):
two point zero happens and you know, the dollar is replaced,
that you know they have an asset that actually can
retain some value. And I know that's hard for some people,
but for those that have the means to have money
in things like you know, a rental property or some
sort of income producing asset stream, it could be these

(52:47):
are more sophisticated investments, but things like you know, oil
and gas partnerships or different type of real estate investment trusts.
And so I think for the sophisticated investor who's looking at, well,
what how do I weather this coming storm, I think
that you know, you need to look at diversifying your
assets away from you know, savings or bonds, because the

(53:11):
dollar itself is just is just going to plummet. I
think the stock market ultimately will crash, and so you
want to remove your assets from the stock market before
that occurs. I personally think that because of the timing
that I'm using, based upon the running out of the
Social Security Trust Fund, that we can continue to have

(53:33):
a few good years ahead in the stock market. I'm
thinking the stock market will start to sniff this out
sometime between twenty twenty six and twenty thirty, so the
stock market will start to understand this collapse is coming eventually.
But you know, five seven years in advance is not
how the stock market works. The stock market looks at

(53:54):
what's happening in the next two or three quarters. They
don't look at what's going to be happening in twenty
thirty and so I think the stock market can be
good now. But for people that are getting ready for retirement,
that are thinking, oh, I want to you know, you know,
I don't want to lose all my savings, you know,
start looking at ways to get out of the market

(54:15):
in the coming years, but and ways to put it
into real assets, things like like I said, property homes,
income stream, purdusing assets. Now, those those are for the
people that are fortunate enough to have to worry about
what to do with their net worth. For people, and
the vast majority of Americans have relatively little net worth.

(54:39):
The media networth in this country is around one hundred
thousand dollars, and for most people that's kind of been
a home and a car for those people, I think
what really needs to be focused upon is, you know,
looking at the control mechanisms that things like central bank
digital currencies are going to put into place, and how

(55:01):
can we fight against that? And not just for the
people with the lower media net worth, but essentially for
all of us who want you know, freedom, who want
you know, to have a say in our destiny, who
want the you know, the good forces to eventually triumph.
Is to resist these mechanisms of control. And so there

(55:22):
are things like stable coins that can be used to
transact just as easily and cheaply as central bank digital currencies.
So there are elected leaders who are talking about this.
Certain states like North Carolina and Florida have passed laws

(55:42):
saying they'll never accept central bank digital currencies you know,
as payment for taxes and so on, and so anyway
you can support these types of initiatives and put up
roadblocks so that it's not an easy path for them.
The only thing I would say, and why there's a
little bit of inevitability, is I think that they want
this to happen so badly that they're they're they're going

(56:05):
to figure out ways to essentially shove it down to
people's throat even though they don't want it, you know,
And they will use things like universal basic income, They'll
use things like stimulus money where you're not going to
get it unless you set up a central bank digital wallet,
and they'll they'll make it very hard for people to
resist the temptation. But at least if people are aware

(56:25):
of this, you know, it makes it more difficult. Excuse me,
it makes it more difficult, and it makes it you know,
you know, maybe just maybe there's a chance to kind
of halt this. But I am a little bit afraid,
like this is a path we're going down, and being
prepared for it and having assets, you know, like I said,
not stuck all in the stock market five years from now,

(56:48):
having if you're able to do some prepping. I don't
think those are bad, bad things to do in the
coming years. And so I think a lot of the
things that you know a lot of people I've been
talking about for a long time about this is you know,
the big one is coming, or the collapse is coming.
As from my economic work, I think what's different about

(57:11):
now from sday twenty years ago, when some people were
saying the same sorts of things, is that I can
see the writing on the wall from the demographic trends
and from the debt levels of that countries are holding
that this economic system is due for a collapse, as
I say, sometime in the next seven to ten years.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Right on.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Well, we are in very critical times right now. That
is some great information, Meil, Thank you so much. We
definitely have to explore this again in the future. See
where we're at, a little bit down the road, see
where we're headed, and we'll revisit some of these topics.
Before you head out, though, let the audience know once
again where they can find your book and anything else

(57:56):
you have out there.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Sure so, if any of this is of interest to you,
I think you would probably like to read my book.
It's it's called quas q u o Z, a financial thriller.
It's a little bit of a play on the Wizard
of Oz, which isn't itself an allegory for money, the
yellow brick road being the gold standard. In the book,

(58:18):
Dorothy ware silver shoes, not ruby slippers, and it's the
silver and gold. And the Emerald City is like the dollar,
which is essentially run by a fraudulent wizard. And so
quas is a little bit of a monetary thriller and
it's available wherever books are sold. If you google quas
Quoz Financial Thriller, it'll come up and tons of places

(58:42):
to buy it in paperback or ebook or hardcover. And
then there's also my website where you can learn more
about me or sign up for the newsletter and learn
more about some of these topics, which is Melmadison dot com,
M E L M A T t ISLN dot com.
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Perfect, Mel, Thank you so much again. Like I said,
we'll have you back on in the future see where
we're at during that time. And until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
We'll see y'all.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Then today I want to welcome back to the show
doctor Scott Taylor. He is president of the Expanded Awareness Institute,
which helps people curious about near death experiences explore what
that experience means to them and to our culture as
a whole. He is author and voice of six best

(59:37):
selling CDs of guided meditations on near death experiences in
his Into the Light series. He is also a spiritual teacher, speaker,
and researcher. Doctor Scott Welcome back. How are you doing.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I am wonderful. Thank you Chris for having me, and
I so look forward to being on Forbidden Knowledge News.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yes, sir, it's great to have you back. I really
enjoyed our discussion last time. Today we're gonna once again
dive deep into the nature of reality, life after death,
near death experiences, maybe the intelligences we encounter during these experiences,
as well as the state of society today and how

(01:00:22):
that can relate to near death experiences, and we can
also learn from that. We're talking about that a little
bit before we got started, So looking forward to all
of that. The more I learn about all these realms,
I'm really reminded the less I know overall, because there
seems to be endless amounts of information we could learn
from this. Now, before we dive into this, it's been

(01:00:44):
a little while since you've been on. Remind the audience
just a little bit about yourself and what led you
down your path.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Sure, So in nineteen eighty one, I had a shared
death experience. Would you like me just to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Do kind of a something that gives us a little
recap of that, please?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Thank you so. And I was in love with a woman.
Her name was Mary Francis Randall, and she and her son, Nolan,
had been out sailing a beautiful summer day in southern Minnesota,
and on their way home, they were in this horrific

(01:01:27):
car accident and Mary Fran was killed outright and Nolan,
her son, who just turned seven, had this mortal head wounded,
and it took him six days to make his transition. Luckily,
we were in southern Minnesota, and you know, Mayo was

(01:01:48):
just down the road, and they went there and they
received fabulous care. But Nolan's injuries were such that if
he just he just his body couldn't survive. So all
of us had gathered over the intervening six days between

(01:02:08):
the accident and when he made his final transition, and
we were there a bedside when he left his body
for the last time. And when he left his body, Chris,
what I experienced was Mary Fran coming across the veil,

(01:02:28):
reminding that she had died six days before. So Mary
fran came across the veil and scooped Nolan up out
of his physical body, and they had this rip. It
was a remarkable, exquisite embrace, and it surprised me in

(01:02:51):
that I was able to feel what that reunion was like.
It was like I was part of that of that reunion,
and you can only imagine what that would be like
between a mother and child. So they embraced, and then

(01:03:13):
even more to my surprise, they turned to me and
came over to where I was sitting on a windowsill
and embraced me. And then the three of us left
and went to the light. And when we entered into
the light, it was as if I had been immersed

(01:03:36):
in the love of God, into the love of the universe.
I was merged with everything that was. It was kind
and gentle and connected. It was like I was connected
to everything. But that recognition only came after, because really

(01:04:03):
what was important was that the three of us had
a chance to be together. And since I was at
work when the accident happened, you know, we didn't have
a chance to say our goodbyes, and we and we did.
We had that chance to say our goodbyes and to

(01:04:26):
reaffirm our love and affection for each other, and we
got a chance just to hang out for a while
and just just be with each other. And then at
some point it was clear that we had said what
needed to be said, we had expressed what we needed

(01:04:50):
to express, and it was complete. And then the two
of them, Mary Fran and Nolan turned and went further
into the light. And I then had a chance to
come back to my physical body, which was in the

(01:05:10):
in the hospital room. So that's that's part A of
the story. Anything you want to pick up on there, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Well, before you had this experience, had you ever been
interested in life after death, metaphysics, the paranormal things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
No, no, I really, I really hadn't. I I grew
up in like I said, in southern Minnesota. I attended
a mainline Presbyterian church my whole life. They don't talk
about things like life after death, and they don't talk

(01:05:51):
about the ability to witness what happens at the moment
of transition, let alone the ability to go with somebody
when they are making their transition. It's just it's just
not part of the lexicon of that church, and you know,
small town Minnesota. It's just you know, I was interested

(01:06:15):
in in being on the swim team, and I was
working in our family's retail store, and you know, life
was full. It's just just normal day to day things.
So it was immersion into a world that that I
didn't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
It took me a long time to be able to
put it into context because that experience, I didn't know
what to do with it. And you know, having done
a lot of research on near death experiences, you know,
when you take a look at the lists of of

(01:06:58):
you know, what are the comps or the common elements
of a near death experience, Usually the first one on
the list is ineffable, which is a great English word
meaning we don't have words for it. And that's how
I felt it was. It was an experience beyond description.

(01:07:20):
And it's taken me a long time to even be
able to describe what happened in a way that makes
sense and is linear and fits the English language, because
it's it's not like that, well it's not true. It's
sort of like that. You know, I do the best
I can.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Yeah, So now they have a second part to this,
let's hear about that before we move forward.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Sure, So what happened then is that there were there
was another part of the story that I think is
really quite extraordinary, and that's that when I was in

(01:08:09):
my body and Nolan and Mary fran invited me to
go with them into the light, I did that, and
one hundred percent of my consciousness went with them into
the light. And at the same time, one hundred percent
of my consciousness was in the room with the grieving

(01:08:32):
relatives that were gathered around the bed. So I had
the split of my consciousness. I didn't have a word
for it then. Now I call it by location where
I was with them, absolutely with Mary fran and Nolan,
and I was absolutely with the relatives that were in

(01:08:53):
that room. And I know this because I as I'm
experiencing this love of the universe, there's this expression of
joy and adoration, and this loving presence had infused my

(01:09:20):
body and it showed on my face. I mean, I
was just just grinning with this this ecstasy, and it
was entirely inappropriate for the room. Just moments before, you know,
they'd lost me Mary Franz six days before, and Nolan

(01:09:41):
had just left his physical body for the last time,
you know, and there's people are crying and hugging each other,
and I'm grinning because it's just so wonderful. Anyway, So
I'm in the room and the only thing I could
think of to do is to put my hands in
front of my face because if anybody had looked at

(01:10:03):
me in that moment, a it would have been inappropriate
and they wouldn't have understood. And so I kept my
hands in front of my face until my non physical
body came back, re emerged with my physical and I
was one consciousness again and then I came out. Okay,

(01:10:27):
So flash forward fifteen years. I'm at the University of
Saint Thomas and I am doing my research on near
death experiences for my doctoral program. And one of the
people that I had discovered had had a near death

(01:10:49):
experience was Mary Fran's sister, who would like to remain anonymous,
so I'll just call her the sister. And we were
having this interview and she told me of her near
death experience, and when the interview concluded, I was packing

(01:11:10):
up my gear, you know, the tape recorders and my
notepads and all that sort of things, and I looked
at the sister and I said, you know, I have
this thought, said, when Nolan made his final transition, something
really unusual happened to me, and I'm just wondering if

(01:11:34):
something unusual happened to you too, And her eyes got
just big as saucers, and taking that as a yes,
I hooked up my recording stuff again and I said,
tell you what, Why don't you tell me your story

(01:11:55):
first and then I'll tell you mine and we'll compare notes.
This is what she's told me, She said, Scott, I
remember it really well because I was standing bedside next
to Nolan and you were sitting on the windowsill across
from me on the other side of the bed. And

(01:12:15):
what I experienced, by meaning the sister, she said, what
I experienced was Nolan flatlining. And then when he did,
Mary fran came across the veil, scooped Nolan up out
of his physical body. They embraced, and then I was

(01:12:39):
able to participate in that, and at some point they
turned to me, embraced me, and the three of us
went into the light where we had a chance to
say our goodbyes and had a chance to express our
love and affection and when that was complete, I came
back to my physical body. Chris. She used almost the

(01:13:04):
exact same language as I just told you. It was
virtually the identical experience. And so in that instant, if
I had thought and I had some doubts about whether
this could be real, was it because I was, you know,

(01:13:26):
hoping something would happen, or was it just inspired by
grief or you know, name your your explanation for what
had happened to me? All that disappeared in an instant
because the sister had the same experience as I did.
And the difference is that the only difference that I

(01:13:49):
could figure out was that as we went to the light,
there were four of us, Mary, fran Nolan, Me and
the sister, but we didn't see each other in that space.
But we had the identical experience, and so it was

(01:14:10):
confirmed for me and I it was it was a
great relief to know that it wasn't crazy, and it
confirmed for me the nature of the non physical universe
and the nature of the experience that people have when

(01:14:31):
they when they cross over and began to describe what
happens to them in a shared death experience. So I
was profoundly moved that she shared that with me and
profoundly moved that we could confirm for each other that

(01:14:54):
this was real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Right now, this is a huge one. This may take
up most of the show. But after all of your
research and everyone that you've spoken to that has had
near death experience, and based on your own experience, what
do you think our overall purpose as humans are here.

(01:15:18):
I've had plenty of profound meditative and plant medicine experiences
where I got the overall sense that this entire reality
is for us to learn and experience love and compassion
and true spiritual understandings. But we have to sift through
all the material bs to get there, and that's part

(01:15:41):
of our experience here. But after everything that you've learned,
I'd love to get your insights into that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Wow. Yeah, that's a big one. And so yes, what's
our purpose in life? We agree it's it's to love,
and we choose very deliberately to come into a world
of duality. Remembering that you know, in this area of

(01:16:11):
life between lives, we live in this non physical state
that is unity. It's unified, it runs by different rules
than happens here in the physical universe. Case in point,
So when I describe when you leave your physical body

(01:16:33):
and you enter into the non physical world, it's governed
by the by the words both and so here in
the in the physical world, it's run by the words
either or, Like Chris, you are you, I am me,

(01:16:54):
and it's either you or me. We are separate human beings.
We live in separate locations. We have you know, the desk,
the microphone, everything is that's not me, right, But when
you're in the world of unity, that isn't the way.
It is that this is an artificial universe that is duality.

(01:17:19):
It's run by either or, but in the non physical
it's run by both. And so you are you, I
am me, and we are each other. So I get
to have my consciousness, my personality, and both of us.

(01:17:40):
In fact, all of us who are listening to this
program today, we are part of the human community, and
we are connected, and we are one human consciousness at
some level. And so what I have come to understand
is that when we come into this world, this idea

(01:18:05):
of duality is designed to help us understand the breadth
and depth of the non physical universe. It's designed to
help us to understand what love is and you know.
The best way that I can describe that is you're

(01:18:29):
a fish swimming in the ocean. Do you know that
you're in water? Well? Maybe maybe not. And the only
way that you really know that you're in water is
to jump out of it and go, oh, it's done.
Of again, there's that thing that I live in. It's
called water. Well, we're kind of in the same boat.

(01:18:51):
We live in this universe of eternal love and acceptance
and this loving conscientiousness that is the universe, and we
are part of that. But the only way that you
can understand it is to be able to pull back
from it to go, oh, By contrast, I get it now,

(01:19:15):
I get it. And So what I believe is happening
is it that this loving consciousness that is the universe
has created duality in order for it to look at
itself and to be able to fully understand what it
means to be conscious, what it means to be loving,

(01:19:39):
And what we're doing now is exploring that. So the
way that we do that is to be ourselves, is
to is to understand that we are here to learn
what our mission is in life, and to to live

(01:20:00):
that out in a way that can express our loving consciousness.
So that's my permer for.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
It's probable that we're that we all experience each other's lives.
We experience past, present, and future. It's all unfolding at
the same time in infinite different realities, but it's all
in a sense one. When we zoom out far enough,
it's all one experience, but it's broken down into fractals.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I guess right, yeah, I like that kind of broken
into fractals. So we love, we gain knowledge as we're
here and we are. The best way to contribute is

(01:20:54):
to lead an authentic life. I think that last part
needs a bit more explanation, if you don't mind me
jumping in a mat So I talked to a whole
bunch of people have had near death experiences, and some

(01:21:15):
of them described for me what it was like before
they came into their physical body, that they could have
conversation with that group of entities that help them design
their trip here on earth. And so as a result,

(01:21:36):
we have a better sense of what our purpose is
in life. And yes, it's to love, it's to experience it,
it's to give it to out and it's to live
our authentic cell. So we have a contract it's the

(01:21:57):
best I can describe it. It says, and we come
into this physical world, we're going to play a role.
You get to choose your parents, you get to choose
your physical body, your maladies that your physical body comes with.
You have a chance then to you know, choose your
brothers and sisters. And then everybody gets together and says, Okay,

(01:22:20):
you're going to play this role, and I'm going to
play this role, and I'm going to play this role,
and then we're going to switch when I'm a teenager,
because you know, I really got to be awful for
a while. And then we get you know, and and
so they kind of design the dance knowing that that's
kind of an overall framework. And then when we get
here into the physical world, we do the best we can.

(01:22:43):
And you know, because that framework isn't conscious, it's just
sitting out here, and you know, we have free will
and we can we can do it or not do it.
You know, part of me says that, you know, the
end ties that guide us, you know, they're kind of whispering.

(01:23:04):
Turn right now, go into that bookstore, talk to that woman,
say hello to that guy, say these words, and you
know it's kind of an intuitive hit. We just go
with the flow, and then sometimes we don't. We go, nah,
I don't think I'm going to do that. I'm going
to turn left instead it right, And I want to

(01:23:25):
try this thing out and you get to see what
dissonance looks like. So I think, you know, it's like
this big jigsaw puzzle and each of us are, you know,
is one little piece and our job is to take
our piece and plunk it into the jigsaw puzzle. So

(01:23:49):
as a whole, all of us humans, you know, we
get to create this tapestry that is the human experience,
and each of us have a very important role in
making sure that our puzzle piece fits. And so there

(01:24:10):
you go, say, wow, I have a purpose. And I've
got these little bumps, and I got these ridges, and
I got the little I don't know what you call those,
the in parts, and they all need to fit within
the human experience because you know, I, you know, I

(01:24:31):
I recently lost my father and that was a profound
experience for me to understand his passing. It was one
of those little bumps in my puzzle piece because it
has now shaped how I view the world. And it's

(01:24:54):
really an extraordinary thing that we get to play these
roles for each other and we get to support each
other and what it is that we're doing. So, you know,
for those of you who are of Christian orientation, I
like to explain it like this. You know, when I

(01:25:19):
leave this physical body, one of the people that I
most want to have a conversation with is Judas is Scariot.
You may remember that he's the person who betrayed Jesus.
And because what I know is that Jesus couldn't do

(01:25:41):
what he did without Judas is Scariot. He needed somebody
to betray him in order for him to fulfill his role.
Not an easy role. So who if you're Jesus and
you're up there negotiating how this is going to go,
you need somebody to play that role. Who is that

(01:26:04):
person who loves you so much that he will agree
to perform that role for you. I figure it has
to be Jesus' best friend, somebody who loved him so
much that he said, I will betray you and take
on the wrath of two thousand years of people thinking I'm,

(01:26:28):
you know, the devil incarnate or something. Because your role
is that important to the human experience. So you talked
about it before. It's it's like, how do you pull
back enough to see who we are and what role
we are to play in this world? And I think

(01:26:51):
that's one of the skills that near death experiencers teach us.
And it's people who who meditate who try to go
to those same places as near death experiencers go to
through meditation, as opposed to, you know, traumatizing your body

(01:27:13):
so much that it dies, which is a really bad plan,
by the way, Yeah, just don't do that. It's it's
not the way to have a spiritual experience, no way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
It seems that we're born into this reality and when
we come in we seemingly retain a little bit of
this knowledge, but it shows through in energies. A newborn
baby has this certain energy and love, and as it grows,
you get these little glimpses of wisdom that seemingly come

(01:27:51):
out of nowhere in a two year old and then
it dissipates and they become part of the material world,
and then they get lost in it and have to
relearn everything. And it seems like it's a series of remembering.
We have these synchronicities, and we have these occurrences in
our lives that seemingly try to remind us and lead

(01:28:14):
us on the path so that we can remember, like
you said, we have a mission here. And some people
get so lost in us material realm through whatever negative
experiences they have, and they keep going deeper into these
dark experiences that they can't find their path. But everyone
has this ability to do so, and we're all here

(01:28:36):
to attempt to do so. And like you said, maybe
we chose the role of going down the dark path
so that we could have that experience. And we have
to look at even those in this world that we
consider the most quote unquote evil, powerful people that are
supposedly controlling our reality and dictating all these horrible things,

(01:28:57):
starting wars, they're playing the roles as well. And it's
all about a collective learning experience basically.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Yeah, it's And boy isn't it hard to know the difference?
You know, It's like you meet people and you go, wow,
that person is a first class jerk and you're going,
is it because they're off their path or is it
because they're playing a role for me to be able

(01:29:29):
to recognize jerkness? And I don't want to do that,
And I don't think we get to know that for
a long time, and so it's incumbent upon us too
to play the role we think that we are designed
to do. Caveat We have guides, they're all, you know,

(01:29:52):
and they look after us, and they've got mission control
board there and they know what Scott's supposed to be
doing when in a broad in broad strokes, it's up
to me to fill in the details. Well, at some point,
you know, they can look at me and go, you know,

(01:30:14):
he we have been whispering in his ear. We actually
have been yelling in his ear. We have been bringing
him experiences to correct his path, and he's just not listening. Therefore,
we're going to take out these spiritual two by four
and whack him alongside the head. And at this point

(01:30:38):
maybe he'll get it. And so you see that with
the research on near death experiences, because there's a percentage
of them that when they leave their physical body, you know,
they're confronted by some spiritual entity who you know, in
broad strokes, sits and down and goes. It got your

(01:31:00):
being a jerk, and you know I keep telling you
to turn right, I tell you to turn left, and
you don't do anything. You just keep plowing ahead with
this stupid thing that you're doing. It is you are
so far off your mission. Let's get back on path.
Are you willing to agree to that?

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
And yeah, it's and I'm being nice. Some of these
discussions aren't as gentle as that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Right, I've had those discussions. I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Yeah, you know. And but they're doing this out of
the love for us. And you know, like we were
talking about before, you know, the conditions of our life
may have put us into this box that we haven't
been able to figure out how to break out of yet.
To see the broader picture, to see the path that

(01:31:52):
we're supposed to be on, and guides help us to
do that. And sometimes they can do that gently, and
sometimes times two by fours are involved, and you know,
and it's you know, that's a really drastic thing to
have a near death experience, your your body is crushed

(01:32:13):
or as a heart attack or something, you know that's
so dramatic that it dies in order for them to
come up and have, you know, have a chance to
have a conversation and you know, put you on the
straight and narrow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
And a little later I want to get into how
you mentioned earlier you don't have to die or go
through these traumatic experiences to have these types of experiences.
But before we get into that, you were were discussing
something before you came on about the current state of
society and division that we're seeing, and how we can

(01:32:48):
learn from people's near death experiences during these modern times
based on their life experiences and all the turmoil that's
on unfolding right now, how the near death experience has
changed and what we can learn from it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
And isn't that a wonderful question that we can even
ask ourselves that I think it's where a stage in
the development of the human species that we get a
chance to reflect on who we are and what we
can be. I have this sense that the whole human

(01:33:30):
experience to this point has allowed us, excuse me, to
get into a place where we can say, we can
step back from the consciousness that you know exists in
consensus society and say, how about we not do that
or how do we you know, navigate that path? And

(01:33:55):
what near death experiencers will tell us is that we
get a chance to choose our actions. We don't have
to do anything. We have the ability to choose who
we are at any particular point in time. Art B

(01:34:19):
of that is that we also have the ability to
choose what is the nature of the universe and how
can we plug into the nature of the universe such
that we get to live out our lives in a
more fulfilled way. Well, near death experiencers tell us over

(01:34:41):
and over and over again. The research is resplendent with
stories about the true nature of the universe is of
a loving consciousness, and that we are all united where
they'll call it the unity universe, where you know, the

(01:35:04):
true nature of the universe is that we are all connected,
not only as a human species, but we are connected
to every rock and tree and sky. And you know
the dirt below our feet, you know, it's made up
all of the same stuff that from this loving consciousness

(01:35:25):
comes all things that are physical. So literally we are
one with the everything that is in the universe. So
that was a long introduction to your question, which is
we when we take a look at what's going around us,

(01:35:46):
we get to choose do we choose divisiveness or are
we going to choose actions that foster unity? And so
when we hear political speeches or we hear how we
treat the person at the grocery store, or when we're
talking to our children. Every moment we get to choose.

(01:36:10):
So are we choosing to reinforce loving nature that we
come from or are we choosing something else? And we
get a chance to make that decision in every moment
that is out there. And I chose the well being

(01:36:35):
of myself and others a long time ago, and it
was out of my experience, and it was about the
thousands of people that I have interviewed and read about.
That's what they're telling me is how to live. Let
me tell you, that's harder than it looks. You know,

(01:37:01):
where every moment you decide that you will be a
loving human being and you will love freely, and that
you will love without expectation and to be able to
to some people call it, you know, love with abandon Well,

(01:37:24):
that's all well and good, except when somebody says, well
I don't want that, or you're being silly, or that
doesn't work with my political worldview, or or I mean
there's all kinds of reasons that they could. You know,
you would catch blowback. And what's incumbent upon us is

(01:37:44):
to develop the maturity, the confidence in ourselves to be
able to say I will love you, Chris, and whatever
you do with it, I don't care. It's it's a
gift to you and you can do with it what
you will and I'm perfectly fine with that. Wow, let's

(01:38:10):
just say, I'm also human and I grew up in
a culture, and you know, part of me, part of
me cares that, you know, people don't give me a
hard time or they look at me and go, you're nuts.
You know. I don't like that at times, so I
have to catch myself. That's that ego part that goes,

(01:38:30):
you know, what I know stuff, Well, no, you don't.
Just getting a handle on what is the universe and
how it's constructed and how we want to be in
this space is it's it's an absolute joy to try

(01:38:53):
to put it into practice, and it's the most challenging
game it's out there. I think it's the pinnacle of uh,
how to live in this dualistic universe. It's it's the game,
and it winds up having all kinds of twists and

(01:39:18):
turns and and how do you choose a path that
may not be evident right away? So that that's where
that's kind of the broad overview.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Now, have you noticed any specific changes overall in people's
experiences as time progresses.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
How you're talking about, like near death experiences. Yes, yeah, yeah,
I have. And this was my hat's off to p. M. A.
Chat Water. She's a researcher in the world of near

(01:39:59):
death experience. Was my mentor as I was learning to
interview people, and she said, Scott, I want you to
pay attention to how people grow over time, and he
gave them a couple of hints. But this is what
I have found out is that when people have a

(01:40:22):
shared death experience, for a near death experience, they're virtually identical,
small small little changes, but the matter. What happens is
that the experience, the experience of having a near death
experience or a shared death experience, becomes more central, more

(01:40:47):
important over time. So I can remember exactly what happened
when Mary, fran and Nolan invited me to go with
them to to the light, but now here forty years later,
I know so much more about that experience because it's

(01:41:10):
like an onion, You just you keep peeling it back
and you begin to go, oh, oh, there's a metaphor here.
I understand that energy. I understand how they communicated with me,
because you know, it wasn't in words, and why the
English language is so restrictive when it comes to all

(01:41:33):
things spiritual anyway. And so yes, people understand the experience more.
It becomes central to their lives. It is the cornerstone
from which they begin to live in the physical world.
You know. It's like we all live from a place

(01:41:55):
and most of it's it's defined by society in our history. Well,
near death experiences. Replace that with the experience itself and
they begin to live from that heart space that says,
I now understand what happened to me. That's a little strong.
Let's try that again. I understand better, and I keep

(01:42:21):
unraveling the experience itself, and I become better at things
like your intuition might be. You know, you go, wow,
I'm paying attention to that, and it's it gets better
over time and to be able to open up and
go you know that that I didn't figure this one

(01:42:46):
out for a really long time. I'm sorry, guides, but
I didn't. It's like, you know, you meet somebody and
you have this emotional response or you're thinking about something
and you know, your body react in a in a
physical way about what you're thinking or about the situation
that you're in. That is the loving Universe communicating to

(01:43:10):
you in something other than your five senses. And it
has taken a long time for me to be able
to figure out that. You know, it's they, don't they?
Whatever that means? You know, the the universe is communicating
to me in more than the five physical senses. It's

(01:43:32):
you know, it communicates to me in intuition and emotion
and synchronicity, you know, those coincidences that happen in your
life when all of a sudden, you know, you hear
a song lyric and it's just the right information you
need right then, Like, how does that work? You know?

(01:43:53):
How is it that I turn on the car radio
and there's a song and there's a lyric and it
answers this question. It's been bugging me for a month,
you know, it's I. So the universe keeps talking to me,
and I begin to understand all the different ways that

(01:44:14):
it communicates, you know, to me, and how I begin
to understand that it's not just those things that are
related to my physical body. Cast in point, there's a
thing called synesthesia, which is the blending of faculties. So

(01:44:39):
sometimes when you're in a meditata state, you'll be able
to hear colors and you know, smell a sound. Well,
that's not something that is associated with the physical body,
because we don't do it that way. You smell sense
and you sea colors, and but in the non physical state,

(01:45:03):
it comes as a package. You know, it could have
two or three senses all mixed together to give you
the sense of that that rose also means something because
there's emotion connected with it, and you know, you get
that smell, and so you know, it's all a package.

(01:45:24):
And that's the delight of things happening over time is
that you allow yourself the freedom to go, oh, this
is fun. This is a really great thing that my
guides the universe, however you want to describe it. We're connected,

(01:45:47):
and we're now communicating with each other in a way
that is fuller and more readily understandable once you get
out of it having to be a visual sense or
an auditory sense or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
We're living in such an incredible time right now, and
I really was hesitant on seeing things that are really
unfolding the way they are because I myself had been
in a negative state for a long time. But looking
back at what's unfolded the past few years, I think
it's really shifted people's consciousness and shown them the directions

(01:46:28):
that they don't want to go. And I see this
really positive change happening in the global consciousness of a
lot of people, and I think it's unavoidable that we
are going to be collectively headed in the right direction
in a slow, kind of twisty turny way. But it
seems like more and more people are just becoming aware

(01:46:51):
of things and latching onto more of this spiritual outlook
of things, and it seems to be spreading. It seems
to be contagious in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
What do you think? So I love that because it's
about it's about agency, this idea that we have agency
to choose. This is who we are as human beings.
And we get to see a situation, say it's a
political debate and there's this divisiveness that's going on, and

(01:47:26):
you're saying, you know, my emotion, right communication, My emotion
says I don't like that. I don't want to participate
in that, and so I'm going to choose another path
and what I know now about this big puzzle piece
that we were talking about is that the best way

(01:47:49):
for the puzzle piece to be whole is for me
to do my part. It's up to me. I'm the
one who's going to mentor or what it's like to
be a human being that chooses unity versus divisiveness. And
I will do it well and sometimes I'll mess it up. Fine,

(01:48:14):
doesn't make any difference, But you're making steps towards that,
taking a stance that says I will choose this, because
you know, if you sit and listen to the media
and everybody knows, like in a political race, it's like
a horse, he's doing well, and he's the whole idea

(01:48:35):
is to jack you up, and you know, to get
all that adrenaline going because you'll listen more, you'll buy
more papers or whatever. Well, you can choose not to
participate in that, and you can choose something else. And
so that's the point where I think where we as

(01:48:56):
a species and we as a culture say I'm going
to mentor something else, and when people ask me, you know,
what do you think about this this horse breeze, and
you can say I'm choosing not to view it like that,
I'm going to use another lens and I'm viewing it

(01:49:20):
like this because this is my worldview, and I actually
it's been kind of a slow ramp up, but in
my mind and the kind of what i'm you know,
kind of what they tell me out here is that,
you know, once that gets going, it's an exponential curve. Actually,
it's this way, right that once people start showing people

(01:49:47):
what that looks like and they go, ah, I'm choosing that. No,
I don't like that over there. I like this more
people will choose it once it's being shown to the Oh, yeah,
this is what choice looks like. Yes, I understand that duality,

(01:50:08):
and I'm choosing another path. I recognize that contrast that
brings up, but I'm going to choose something else. And
I think that's a wonderful part of our human evolution
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yeah, I've come to learn that there's always another way.
We get stuck in these boxes of perception where we
think we have to do things this way. We've been
taught to do a certain thing a certain way for
our entire life. Our grandparents and their grandparents did it,
so we think that this is the only way we
can do things. But more and more people, like you said,
are starting to discover that there are plenty of different

(01:50:47):
ways to do things, and the more we open ourselves
to that, the better things overall are going to get.
And I love the progression that we're seeing right now.
Now for the last few minutes we have, let's talk
a little bit bit about how we can possibly reach
some of these profound states of awareness and consciousness without

(01:51:08):
going through severe trauma or almost dying.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Bless your heart, thank you for that. So one of
the things that we know is that meditation is used
to get to these various altered states of awareness, these
expanded states of awareness, and that we don't have to

(01:51:34):
be thrown into the deep end of the pool. That's
kind of my metaphor for what happens when people have
a near death experience. It's like you didn't know what
was coming, and all of a sudden, somebody just grabbed
you in the dark and threw you into a pool
that you didn't know was there. And you're in this
dark water and you don't know which way is up,
and you can't breathe, and you know, you know, you're confused,

(01:51:57):
and you're trying to figure this thing out. You don't
have to do that. You can gently wade into the
pool and learn these expanded states of awareness, and you
can learn how to navigate, in other words, to swim,
you know, first your dog paddle and then you know,
you do the back back. You know, there's all these

(01:52:20):
different skills that you can use to navigate this this
pool of consciousness and have it be gentle and be
really so you're able to pull from this consciousness the
kinds of information that you would like to make your

(01:52:42):
life here in the physical world more joyous and more complete.
And I happen to be a fan of binaurmal beats.
You know, I was involved with them in Roe Institute
for thirty five years. Bob and Roe, the founder of
that institute. He used binaural beats is a way of

(01:53:07):
entering into and holding these expanded states of awareness, so
you could be in them for enough time in order
to learn what it feels like, so it's easy to
come back and then to learn how to navigate in
those in those different states, and then over time, you know,
you get to learn all of the different types of

(01:53:30):
expanded awareness. And so you know, at the beginning, there
was only Bob Monroe in his technology called hemi sync. Well,
we have moved way beyond hemisync. Now there's lots of
binormal beat technologies out there. Somebody like, somebody don't, but

(01:53:50):
they're effective tools for entering into specific states of awareness,
holding that and then learning how to play in that
particular state of awareness because each one of them has
where it's easier to do some things than others. You know,
it's like anything else, and then you know, you learn
a new one, and then another new one, and you

(01:54:12):
begin to see how they cross over. And so I'm
a big fan of that, and for those of you
who are interested in entering the same states as near
death experiencers do and how to navigate those. So behind
me are six albums that you can pick up at Emisinc.

(01:54:33):
Dot com or I have a eighteen plus seven twenty
five module of course that's with the Shift Network and
the Shiftnetwork dot com. And it's on demand, so you

(01:54:53):
can go through and learn these states with the help
of me and my co trainer, And we've got a
bunch of Q and A videos and things so that
you can gently put your toe into the water, start
in the kiddie pool and then start wading out into
the deep end, and pretty soon you begin to realize, hey,

(01:55:18):
this is fun, it's easy, it's it has the potential
for so much learning. I'm sorry when you go back
to your word you used at the very beginning. It's
about remembering where we came from. So we are immersing

(01:55:39):
ourselves into those same states that we come from. When
we leave the non physical world and we choose to
enter into the physical, it's a you know, this vibration
down here is its own thing, and then we can
remember what it's like to be in the other physical plane.

(01:56:03):
The quick note on that is that when we enter
into the physical, we have an agreement to not remember.
There's a filter that we go through that says, hmm, nope,
you're not going to remember that anymore. Well, that filter
is shattered with things like near death experiences and shared
death experiences. It's not shattered so much as parted when

(01:56:28):
you do it with meditation. So again, it's easier, and
you go through this filter and it's all available to you,
and you know, frankly, all you need is a guide,
and you can do it through CDs, you can do
it through my video course. You can just do it

(01:56:49):
on your own with the intention of learning, and it'll
just take a little longer. It's nice having a guide.
They help you along that path, but it's gentler, it's comprehensive.
It gives you the tools, the techniques and the time
that you need in state in order to learn that.

(01:57:11):
And then and then it's just like everything else. You
remember what it felt like to be in that state,
boom right back there again. You can train your brain
to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Everybody should really attempt to explore their consciousness in some ways.
I owe everything to where I'm at today because I
took that leap and started fearlessly exploring my consciousness and
I owe everything to that. So Scott, thank you so much.
This was fantastic. We'll definitely speak again in the future.

(01:57:42):
Before you go, remind everyone where they can pick up
your CDs and everything else you have.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
So the easiest thing is to go to my website,
which is Near Death Meditations dot com, Near Death Meditations
Plural dot com and that will take you to Hemisinc.
Dot com and we'll take you to the Shift network,
you know, and it's pretty easy. It's a pretty simple sight.

(01:58:08):
So that's the easiest way Thank you, Chris. I appreciate
the ability to allow me to plug that a little
bit and the time to spend with you because we
do have a good time together.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
Yes, I love the conversations. I learned so much every time. Scott,
thank you so much. Again, We'll definitely talk in the future.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
talk again tomorrow. We'll see it then.

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