FKN Classics Double Feature! | Mike Ricksecker - Time Travelers | Bob Engel - Anunnaki - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Today.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I want to welcome back to the show Mike Ricksecker.
He is an author and researcher that has appeared on
multiple television shows and programs as a paranormal historian. He
also produces his own internet supernatural based shows on the
Haunted Road Media YouTube channel, and he is the producer
and director of the docuseries The Shadow Dimension, which is

(01:03):
available on several streaming platforms. Haunted Road Media is also
his own paranormal and supernatural book publishing and video production company,
representing a number of paranormal authors. Mike, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I'm doing pretty well. Thanks for having me back. Chris
always great talking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, always a fun conversation. This is going to be
super fun today. We're going to discuss your book, Travels
through Time, where you explore the nature of time dimensions,
the possibilities of time travel, and the more I come
to understand tiny pieces of the nature of reality, the
more I come aware that time is not linear and

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possibly more like the pages of a book, where every
single moment is always accessible and all the data from
start to finish is playing out at the same time,
therefore giving us access to possibly perceivable past, present, and
future all at the same time. But the rabbit hole
really goes much deeper and more incredible than we understand,

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and we've got a lot to get into. The book
is incredible. But before we get into this, for those
that may not be familiar, tell us a little bit
about yourself and your work.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
H yeah, yeah. Oh. My name's Mike Rick Sucker. I've
this book here Travis through Thomas my thirteenth. So it's
the beginning of the Connecting to the Universe series, which
is a new series that I'm putting together in which
we get into a lot of deep esoteric topics. But
I thought I would start with you know, kind of
the base of, you know, the inner workings of the cosmos.

(02:38):
I've been on a number of the television shows like
Ancient Aliens, The Unexplained, the Alaska Triangle, those sorts of
things to done, a few things with Gaya, and yeah,
you can find me at a lot of different events.
You know, I do a lot of public speaking engagements
and things like that as well.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Right on, now, what brought you to write this particular book.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, you know, I've always had an interest in time.
It's uh, yeah, I was always fascinated going back to
when I was a child and I saw the movie
Somewhere in Time with Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour, and
that's that movie kind of permeates in and out throughout
the book. So well. I do make a lot of
other pop culture references as well, because I think it's

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kind of I mean, this is a really deep topic,
so I think it helps to have those references back
to popular culture or something that you know, we've seen,
we've watched something we've been able to wrap our head around.
When we were talking about dimensions in the nature of time,
it doesn't it's a little bit more difficult if we're
just looking at from scientific point of view. But yeah,

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when I was a kid, I totally fell in love
with that movie and the idea that he was actually
able to will his consciousness to another point in time,
back to nineteen twelve because he wanted to meet this woman.
And it's something that you know, I actually attempted when
I was when I was fourteen years old, and we
had made a big move when I was thirteen, from

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where we had spent the last ten years in Massachusetts.
We moved back to Ohio and I was missing my friends,
you know, I was homesick, and remembering that particular movie,
I tried to actually do that, and what ended up
happening was I had put myself into such a meditative
state that, again I was fourteen, I had no idea

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what was doing that. I started feeling like this sensation
of undulating waves and then like a static electricity, and
that shocked me, so I snapped right out of the
state that I was in. But talking with people later on,
as I got older and some of the different circles
that I was running in, I came to find out
that I was actually on the verge of having and

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out of body experience. So this is something that has
stuck with me for a long long time. And as
I've done other research in other areas regarding supernatural, strange phenomenon,
the Alaska Triangle, things like this, it seems to have
always had some sort of time related element to it.
So I finally decided, Okay, I'm gonna sit down and

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write this book right on.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Now, let's dive right deep into it. Based on your understandings,
all the research you've done for the book, how does
the nature of time play out in your understanding? And
you actually introduce something called the stacked time theory, which
probably helps us understand this a little.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah, and I hope it does kind of gives us
a visual for it. So, you know, time doesn't really exist.
We've invented time humans and admitted the concept of time
really to keep track of our days, to know when
to plant the crops at the right time, to keep
track of the seasons, to know when to show up
to work at the right moment, so our supervisors don't

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get upset with us, that sort of thing. So it's
you know, it's a tool that we've created, but time
in and of itself doesn't really exist. And even Einstein
said just before he died that you know, time is
is just a stubbornly persistent illusion, doesn't really exist. And
we see in a lot of our ancient cultures that

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they also believe many of these same type of concepts.
So when we're talking about something like what I've come
up with here with stacked time theory, it incorporates that
notion that time doesn't exist. And it occurred to me
the twenty years ago as I was, you know, doing

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things like paranormal investigations and experiencing different phenomena and what
have you that Okay, you know, perhaps it's not that
river of time that you know, analogy that we've had
for a long long time that you know, every moment
that has happened, is happening, and will happen, are all
happening concurrently, and all of those moments are stacked on

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top of each other like a photograph. And there are
certain moments that will resonate the same frequency for just
you know, a brief period of time, and we'll get
a glimpse of the other one. So sometimes when somebody
says they've seen like an aggression or a ghost from
sometimes an entire scene will play out before them, and

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a lot of times we you know, call that like
a residual haunting or whatever. But many in many cases,
you know, those people in that scene will turn and
look at us as we're the ghosts. And this is
what we referred to as a time slip. But kind
of like you were saying the very very beginning, uh,
you know, everything is already here, all the information, all

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the data, all those moments are already here, and we're
kind of stuck within the rules that have been applied
to this universe. But sometimes those rules can be bent
and broken. We get glimpses of these other moments in time.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Now, there's a couple of experiences in phenomena that people
have such as deja vu. Are the Mandela effect that
I'm wondering if this could be indications of what you're discussing.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Now, Yeah, absolutely, something like the Mandela effect. This is
you know, actually time travelers have gone back. Something has
happened that has altered the timeline and so then, uh,
you know, the Mandela effect plays out where people have
memories of a different past. And that's not to say, uh,
you know, somebody went back with intention to create because

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a lot of times this happens with with branding, like
you know, fruit Loops, the Fruit of the Loom, Cornucopia,
Oscar Mayer. People remember it differently. It's not that somebody
intentionally went back in time to change those things. They
went back in time did something else in one of
the repercussions was that happening with deja vu? You know,

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this happens a lot. You know, after one has had
perhaps a dream of being a particular location, so it's
it's really kind of premonitory that you know, they've had
a dream of a location and they might have Remember
when we dream, a lot of times we don't remember
all the details. Sometimes you remember a vivid one, but
other times, you know, a little scant detail here or there.

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But all of a sudden we'll show up in a
place and it's like I've been here before, and so
you know, in that particular instance, uh, you know where
we are, you know, traveling within our dreams and we
actually get to see glimpses of other moments or if
we look at it from you know, like a past
life perspective with all time happening concurrently. That means all

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of your lives, past, present, and future are all here existing,
so you may be tapping into something. You walk into
a location that one of your other lives is actually
living within, and so it feels familiar to you.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
We're gonna get into some examples of time travel and
possible time slips, but before we do that, you also
touch on some ancient symbolism and alchemy that could point
to the nature of time and our reality.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, so the big one for me is the
our boros. It's that you know, snaking and it's detailing.
It was it's really our first alchemical symbol that we have,
and it was really the symbol for constant recycle and renewal.
Where we first see this was on the burial shrine
of King tut So within the shrine us where the

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sarcophaguy work, and it's actually encircles his head and his feet,
and people kind of realize also on the circle of
his feet. But it's interesting about this. We have to
keep in mind that this is the oldest representation that
we have found to date. It doesn't mean that's the
first time it was ever used. Most likely predated that,

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and this is something that they wanted, you know, to
be able to basically symbolize the renewal of his life
as he passed away, you want them to come back.
And so I actually, of all things, liken this to
something that we have recently discovered here in modern times.
One of our scientific research projects down in Antarctica, the

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in need of project and the ice Cube project, in
which they have basically discovered neutrinos working in a opposite
manner than what they're supposed to do. They were down
there at the South Pole studying these neutrinos coming from
space and they actually detected them running and reverse coming
up out of the Earth's core. So through their studies

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in this nature, and this is a scientific paper that
was that was published earlier this year, the scientists themselves
are saying, well, this actually is an indicative of a
parallel universe running in reverse time. And so when I
take that, okay, so we have then we would have

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two universes running one direction, one run in the or
in opposite way. So the beginning of one is the
end of the other, and the end of one is
the beginning of the other. So you know, it's really
the beginning in the hind the alpha and omega. And
we actually see this as well within different representations of
the Oro boros, where you know, you'll have the two colors,
like the red track the green track, and as they

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come back around they meet at the location where the
the mouth is eating the tail. And so for me,
this is indicative of the Big Bang and again constant
recycling renewals. So so then we get to the question, Okay,
what was before the universe? Well, the universe was, and

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we experience what we're experiencing, and as the beginning meets
the end, once again, the universe is recycled. So what
comes after the universe? Well, the universe, so it's it's
constantly recycling. We see this in our ancient symbolism.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
So it's possible that our ancient ancestors had quite a
better understanding of this and were possibly able to utilize
actual time travel in a sense.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah? I believe that they were. They that they knew
this knowledge, they were able to be able to move
back and forth throughout time. You know, we see things
like stargate symbolism and things like this all over the world,
and so you know we're they also using these targets
not just to travel across the cosmos, but also to
travel back and forth between different periods of time, and

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I believe that they were, that they actually had this
knowledge to be able to do so because you have
things like you look at. I'm gonna I'll probably end
up talking a lot about Egypt throughout this, but you
even look at other cultures like the Australian Aboriginals and
the Australian Aboriginal culture. This is like one of our
oldest religions in the world. We can date it back

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sixty thousand years and it probably goes back, of course
even further. But in their belief system it's that again,
time does not exist. Time is all concurrent, and so
their gods are still currently living with us right now
because time doesn't exist. It's all here right now.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Now, you mentioned Egypt. What are some of the clues
that you've gotten from looking at some of the artifacts, scriptures,
and texts from Egypt.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, well, we already talked about the Ora Boros. Another
big one is what we call the Egyptian Book of
the Dead, which it's not really the title of it.
It's the Book of going forth by day. But you know,
book of the Dead sounds a lot cooler, right, And
so what people don't really realize with this, it's not
just like one book. It's a series of spells that

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were used during the funerary rites. And you know, there's
like no one complete set of these. So you might
have a sarcophagus with a couple of spells written on it.
You might have a small scroll with a few things
written on it. The largest one that we have, the
most beautiful and ornate, is the Papyrus Ivani, which was

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discovered in his tomb. He was a royal scribe, which
was a position of great prominence. We don't know if
it was written by him or was written by you know,
maybe he had scribes commissioned after he passed away to
have this ring, so it might be his hand and
might not, we don't know. But it's a very large,
very beautiful, very ornate and within it it really just

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it depicts his journey through the afterlife. So it's a
whole entire narrative of him. His wife Tudu is there
and throughout his journey the entire time he's dead, he's
passed away, but yet he has this, for example, a
scene there with Atom, which is the god or Netzer

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of creation created the universe, and he asked, Atom, you
know what will be the span of my life? I
remember it. He's already dead, he's already in the afterlife,
and he's asking what the span of his life will be.
Atom says it will be for millions of years and
for on millions on millions of years. So he's showing

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this really great length of time that he's going to
be alive. But I then he starts layering it, kind
of like what we were talking about with our stacked
time through so he has these layers of time that
are built in and then he starts talking about this.
In the same page, he starts talking about the renewal
of the earth, that the earth returned to the primordial

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waters and we will start again, and that Atoms himself
will turn into a serpent. So here again we're back
to our symbolism of the of the area Boros. So
we have a layering of time, and then we have
a constant recycling and renewal of the universe. So it's
a really beautiful piece.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It is.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Now I want to move forward into history to modern
times and get your insights into the possibilities that some
of our modern sciences and technologies extremely advanced quantum sciences
and possibly what we're doing at places like CERN could
affect the fabric of our time.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Well, yeah, they're doing kind of all kinds of interesting
experiments there at CERN. You have other places across the
globe where they are. Last year, last November, there was
a paper published in which, you know, they had stated
we've we've built a wormhole in the lab. It was
very it's very small on the quantum level. And we
had the report these reporters asking well, could you, you know,

(17:30):
put a dog through? It's never readed the article on
scratching my head. Why are we immediately going to can
we put a dog through this thing? You know, maybe
a probe, you know, something like that, at least, you know,
at least uh the old movie Stargate, you know, they
put a probe through first before the people went through.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
At least a robot dog, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Something, right, But they're like, you know, it's it's it's
very very small, it's at the quantum level, but they
have produced a wormhole. So basically that Einstein ross a
bridge in the lamb. And so you know, this is
just the very very beginning of it all. And so
really it's it's like our science is catching up to

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what the ancients knew, which I find fascinating. Uh. You
have these interesting studies by Roger Penrose. Uh, He's a
fantastic theoretical physicist. I've been around a long time people
that are familiar with the pinro stairs. Yet this was,
you know, coined after his h his studies, his work,
and he's and it's it's interesting to h to read

(18:33):
his interviews and watch some of his interviews because he'll say,
you know, religiously, I'm an atheist, you know, but you
know I believe in this is through his work that
after the body dies, the soul goes off to the cosmos.
And he can't explain where within the cosmos the soul goes,

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the consciousness goes, but he's like, it goes somewhere else
into the cosmo. So here again, this is something that
our ancient religions have been talking about for thousands and
thousands of years, and it's like our modern science is
just now catching up to it.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
You were talking earlier at the beginning, how you had
your own experience where you were trying to time travel
through a meditative state and you reach this vibratory state
and snapped out of it. Do you believe that this
is something that each and every person could achieve just
through self consciousness, exploration and meditation, that we could actually

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perceivably travel through time with these methods.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, I believe that. You know that when it comes
down to real time travel, it's it's not going to
be like a Dolorean and a flux capacitor, which would
be really fun. I love that you hop in one
and you know, speed up to eighty eight miles per
hour and watch the lightning encompass the car and zoom
off to another point in time. But yeah, it's probably

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not going to be that a machine. It most likely
will be uh, consciousness traveling, traveling via the consciousness because
we're all you know, we're all frequency resonance, vibration, we're
you know, our consciousness is on the on the fourth
dimension and every uh you know, we have access to

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all those dimensions below us, you know, third dimensional object,
you know, like this this cup of tea here as
I see you to nurse my throat plane which is
two D, a line which is first dimension. All those
are accessible to us, and the trick is trying to
access the other dimensions that are above us. So like
anything fifth dimension and beyond would have free access to time.

(20:47):
We are fascinating as as humans though, because you know,
our fourth dimensional consciousness is inside a third dimensional uh
piece of work, which is our which is our body,
So that makes us all multi dimensional being already. But
it's I believe it's a matter of trying to tune

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your own frequency, your own personal resonance, to the resonance
of another point in time. So it would it would
take what I believe, and we accidentally do it sometimes
this moment in time it has to resonate with the
frequency of another moment in time. And also you have
to get your body at those same that same frequency.

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So there's three different things going on here at the
same time. So it'll take a lot of a lot
of practice, a lot of ironically time to figure it out.
But I believe that that's that's what real time trove
will end up being.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yes, now you were just saying that these things could
just occur at times and we wouldn't realize it. Let's
get into some examples of time slips and the possibilities
that we are experiencing this maybe even on a daily
basis and not even realize. And there's different examples that

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you could give us of different kinds of time slips
right right exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
I include several within the book, you know. One of
the I'll talk about a couple here, one of the
fascinating ones for me because it involves a close personal
friend of mine, Andrea Parrin, who people recognize her from
the stories of the Conjuring House, which is the house
that the movie The Conjuring was based off of. Very

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very different what really happened there than what they portray
in the movie, because those hauntings extended out ten years
and the incident with the Warrens was really a seance
that had gone bad. It wasn't an exorcism, and it
was just a couple of weeks after that exorcism that
Andrea was up doing her homework. Her mother, Carolyn had

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woken up with hungary, want some coffee, that sort of thing.
So Andrew's helping out, and as Carolyn is sitting in
the parlor, she looks off into the dining room area,
which is where sance when bad happened. She was basically
knocked back from the table in the dining room to
the parlor. Also she sees morphing into existence. This you

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know family from from the seventeen hundreds. You know, there's
a woman cooking over the hearth. Now this is a
fireplace that had been closed at that point for like
one hundred years, but there she is cooking over the hearth.
A couple of kids are running around. Two gentlemen sitting
at a table with pewter Stein's and the one says
to the other, well, would you look at that? As

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they turn and look at Carolyn, and it was like
as if she was the ghost. So you know, you
have a moment here where she was actually able to
get a glimpse to another point in time, and that
other point in time was able to get a glimpse
of her. Of course, you know, the question then becomes, Okay,
what was the catalyst for that happening? And you know

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that particular house, that particular property, there's a lot that
has happened there over the years. But I believe that
one of the things that's helping to power that house. Uh.
There's a room in the basement. It's called the well
room because there's an open well with water in it.
They don't still use it to drink or anything. But
it's still open and there's still water the room itself.

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The walls are made of limestone and they're capped with
granite blocks. So this is like stuff that we see
in our you know, ancient structures, like in Egypt, our
ancient sites of power where they were harnessing the earth's
energy and using it for different purposes. And so here
we have this in the bottom of this house where
all these crazy things happened, and that timeslip happened just

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above that room. So that's one example. Another one that
I like to talk about is the famous the famous
poet Guta, and he includes his story in his work
Diktung and Vaheit or in English is Poetry and Truth.
And one day he's walking down the road. He said,
it's to Rosenheim, which is a city in Germany. He's

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been having an affair with a young woman there, and
and as he's walking down the road, he's just lost
in thought, you know, kind of you know, zoning out
like we do these days, like when we're driving down
the road and we're you know, zoning out and you know,
we miss our turn right, So he's kind of doing
the same thing. But he notices on the other side

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of the road, here is this man in a gold
trim gray suit, which you know, finds very usual. As
he turns to look at the man straight on, all
of a sudden he loses it. The guy disappears, he's gone.
He's like, what in the world happened there? He didn't
understand him at the time. He was very, very bizarre,
but of course he notes it because of what happened,

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and then continues on his way. A couple of years later,
walking down the same road in the opposite direction, and
as he passes into that location where he had had
that experience, all of a sudden he looks down at
himself and he's like, oh, my gosh, I was the
man of the gold trim gray suit, because that was
what he was wearing that second time as he's passed

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through there, and you know realizes, you know it was
it was myself the whole time. So this gets passed
off as a doppelganger incident, and you look up doppelgangers
on Google, you'll find this story. But it's it's not
really a doppelganger. It's really a time slip. And you know,
I believe what had happened here was he was that

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first time as he was walking down the road and
he was quote unquote zoning out. I mean he was
in a meditative state. It wasn't full meditation obviously, because
he's walking along, but it's it was enough of a
meditative state that he was able to tune into his
energy from another point in time in that same location
and get a glimpse of it. And when he started

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noticing that man and turned to look at him, he
broke that concentration because now he's focusing on this guy,
and and you know, that meditative state was broken and
he lost the connection there. But yeah, that's that's another
great example of a time set.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Now, having an understanding of these concepts could change the
way we look at hauntings and the paranormal in general.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Oh, absolutely. Now I'm not going to say that that
explains all hauntings, right, you know, they can be a
variety of different things. Yeah, some of these are going
to be human spirits that have not passed on and
what have you. But some of them, yes, would absolutely
be time slips, and we need to start looking at
some of these cases in a bit of a different light. Yeah, Right, on.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Now, let's get some examples of time travelers. This is
very interesting. They've had these interesting pictures throughout history. But
tell us some of the ones that you get into
in your book.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, there's the uh, there's the time traveling hipster. And
you know, I'm not going to sit here and say
whether or not. You know, they really are time travelers.
What have their fun photos? And they're interesting to look
at and you know kind of uh, you know, really
investigator the details of it, you know, like the time
traveling Hipster. So that's the one where the South Forks

(27:59):
Bridge is British Columbia. The photo was taken back in
the early nineteen forties, and you know, everybody in the
photo is pretty much dressed to that point in time.
But you have this one guy that they called the
hipster because he's got these wrap around sunglasses and he's
got what looks like a silkscreen shirt, and he has
a portable camera in his hand, and so he looks

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very very out of place. Now, technically speaking, there were
wrap around sunglasses that just started to come out, so yeah,
conceivably he could have gotten a pair. The shirt people say, well,
that was a Montreal Maroon's shirt. This was a hockey

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team in the NHL in the nineteen twenties. When you
look back at the Montreal Maroon photos of their uniforms
and everything, and it's like it would have to be
some sort of rare alternate uniform because that wasn't you know,
the color scheme for that particular uniform has done a
little bit differently, even though the font was the same.
And then the camera, Yeah, technically Kodak had a camera

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that would have been like that at that time. It
did just come out, So this he would have to
be like, really, you know, on top of his game, like,
you know, I'm getting the newest, greatest stuff, even though
I got this vintage shirt from the nineteen twenty some
alternate uniform, So it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Also,
the guy looks like our buddy Johnny Enoch, so I've
kind of I've kind of elbowed Johnny a couple of times, like, hey,

(29:29):
what the world were you doing there in the nineteen forties, right,
So it's a fun photo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Now let's get into what our dreams tell us about
the nature of time and the possibilities of time travel.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, there's a lot of things that we can do
in our dream state. You know, our our brain enters
into different states of being. It passes through you know, beta, delta, theta,
all these different brandwave states, and of course people are
familiar with like rim sleeping and dreaming and these sorts
of things, and in those different states we can access
different information. We talked a little bit before about the

(30:08):
ability to actually travel a bit in our dreams and
actually be able to get glimpses of the future. And
that's why, you know, we might have a dream of
being at a location, different things happen, and then all
of a sudden, a week or two down the road,
we're at that location, these different things happen. Oh my god,
I just had a dream about all of this at
a premonition. But there's other things that we can access

(30:30):
within our dreams, we can access within our meditation, and
that would be like the collective unconscious or the Acastak
records and these sorts of things. So this is you know,
eternal knowledge that is available to us. You know, things
in the past, present, future, it's all there. All the
knowledge of the universe currently exist, and we're able to

(30:53):
freely access these things. So when it comes to the
collective unconscious, you know, it's interesting how were the centuries
you notice that, especially like during the nineteenth century, during
the eighteen hundreds, where you know, all of a sudden
you would have you know, five different eventors all working
on the same thing, you know, when they're all in

(31:13):
different parts of the world, and it's like, how in
the world, you know, did they all start, you know,
trying to invent the same thing where they didn't really
have a connection with each other. And so things like
that are fascinating where something something's happened with the vibration
of the world that you know, this information was a
little bit more accessible to them. You know, you have

(31:35):
guys like Tesla, who you know, when he was younger,
he you know, he talked about being able to astro
project and things like this, so you know, he was
very much in tune with the knowledge of the universe.
And I believe that's why he was way ahead of
his time, is you know, he was getting those records
and bringing them back here to his current point in time,

(31:57):
but it was so far advanced, you know, would laugh
them out of the room for it. So, yeah, these
these things are definitely accessible to us, whether it's through
our dreams or through meditation.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Now, I've had a couple of guests that claim to
have been able to have these out of body or
astral experiences by putting themselves into altered states of consciousness
and be able to act not only access different timelines,
but change the timeline that they were on and the trajectory,
and they're in ways their entire reality. What do you

(32:31):
think about that?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, I mean, I believe it's possible. I believe that's
why we have different things like the Mandela effect play
out and all of a sudden something's changed where you know,
now we have different experiences where all kinds of people
from across the world are like, wait a second, that's
that's not the case. It was you know, this, this

(32:53):
other way, you know whatever it might be. So, yeah,
it's the question comes up when we start talking about this, uh,
you know, all time existing the idea of free will.
Some people don't like the idea that if if everything
is there, then that must mean my fate has been
written in the stone and everything's predestined and I have

(33:16):
no free will, And I don't believe that's the case.
I believe you still have the power to be able to,
you know, change and modify your life. And as we
move in and in and around through time, those changes
you have a repercausion to whether it's the future or
whether it's the past. So yes, the future can influence

(33:38):
the past. And I have a very personal story in
regards to this, in which and it's a cute story.
Excuse me again, I'm still nursing my here. I've done
I've done a lot of speaking here lately. Yeah. So,
when I was in first grade, current Beyonce Jennifer, you know,

(34:03):
we were We've known each other since then, and all
of a sudden, you know, we're in the library. I'm
just going through a stack of books, and we didn't
really have a lot of interaction to this point, but
all of a sudden, she just lays a kiss on
me on my cheek, and I'm like shock, what in
the world was that? I was just out of nowhere,

(34:24):
And I mean we were, we were friendly with each other, right,
continued to be so through that year we were in
fourth grade together, we kind of quote unquote dated for
a month and seventh grade and we're twelve year old.
How much do you really date when you're twelve, and
then I had moved at the beginning of eighth grade.
But you know, thanks to the marvels of social media,

(34:46):
years later we reconnected. And you know, we didn't really
establish a relationship, a romantic relationship until last year. We
just kind of, you know, caught up with each other.
How's your life going, that sort of thing pass cross
we'd get together, and during that time I had asked her, so,
what in the world was that kiss you laid on

(35:08):
my cheek, you know, back in first grade. And she
just kind of like, I don't know, you know, you
just had this chubby little cheek sitting out there and
something told me to kiss it. Okay. Cool. So last
year she came on my Ireland tour and we just,
you know, really hit it off, and that's where our
you know, relationship, a romantic relationship started. So we decided

(35:31):
when we got back to the States to go visit
our old haunts from uh when we were kids, and
her parents still living the same town. So we go
to the old our old elementary school, Junior Park, which
is now part of the college campus. Here's Performing Arts
Center now, and you know, walking around the grounds peeking
through windows, that sort of thing. Get to the library

(35:52):
and we're looking through the window and it set up
like a little music room now, and we're pointing at
the spot there it is. You know, that's that's where
you that's where you kissed me on the cheek. And
all of a sudden, Jennifer starts yelling through the window
very playfully, kiss him, kiss him. We're laughing about it. Oh,
that's cute, okay, But as you know, as we're leaving,

(36:13):
it kind of occurs to us, Wait a minute, there
was something she had said, There was something that had
told her to kiss my cheek in the first grade.
So was it her forty eight year old self calling
out across time to kiss my cheek? So here's an

(36:34):
instance here where the future was influencing the past. She
would not have kissed my cheek in first grade if
her forty eight year old self hadn't called out across
time for her to do it. So and it becomes
one of those you know, witch came first, So it's
like a bootstrap paradox.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh that's cool, now, let's get into you kind of
touched on the possibility that we have major influence over
this reality. Even though time is all occurring at the
same time and all the data is there, we can
still manipulate, manifest, and affect our reality in profound ways.

(37:13):
And this also goes to the possibility of some sort
of simulated reality. And I know that's a very simple
term to put what we're probably in right now, because
it's so much more, extremely sophisticated and incredible than that.
But I want to get your insights into that.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, absolutely, I definitely believe in the simulated universe. You know,
it's we relate it to something like a computer program
because that's the context of our current technology, and of
course the matrix movies were very big in pop culture,
so that's what we think of. But I think it's
going to be something more like organic, biological, something on

(37:55):
the molecular level, that sort of thing, rather than a
computer program. Right. You know, even our ancient religions talked
about us being in a simulation, even though they didn't
use that term. Like ancient Eastern traditions. When we talk
like reincarnation, you know, we're starting at some sort of
home world, essentially logging in for lack of a better term,

(38:17):
when we when we are born and we live out
a life, we learned some things along the way, we
pass away, and we go we go back home, and
then we do it all over again in a constant cycle.
And even you know Christian traditions, you know teachers that
you know, we're in this world right now preparing for
another world. So it's very very similar concepts. So when

(38:41):
we talk being within a simulation, again, it's not it's
not going to be a computer. And but we can
use that analogy because that's that's the way we think
these days. You think of mentioned him earlier, Tesla, So
you know, one hundred and thirty years ago, during the

(39:02):
Spanish American War, he had developed a basically a drone.
They called it a tele automaton back in the time,
and this was a little submarine that he had created
that would work on radio waves and you could launch
torpedoes and things like this. It was small, it wasn't large,
but it was really essentially our first drone. Now he

(39:26):
believed that he created like the first artificial cintient bean,
because this thing could, like you make its own decisions,
you know, where to go, where to fire at, that
sort of thing. And then he even went further and
told people, I can build an automaton of myself and
would be able to It would look like me, it
would act like me, would make decisions like I, would,

(39:47):
would be able to talk like me, all these sorts
of things. Right, So he's really talking about AI. He's
talking about building a robot and impregnating it with artificial intelligence.
It's one hundred and thirty years ago. This isn't something.
This is why they lacked him out of the room.
You wouldn't be able to do that now. In his context,
in his day, he's thinking, you know, this is going
to be like gears and wheels and radio waves and

(40:10):
things like that. Silicon microchip wasn't really invented until after
he had passed away. But that is the technology that
has enabled us to go down this road of being
able to create more sophisticated drilles, be able to create
artificial intelligence, be able to create the computers that all
of this runs on right now. It's a silicon microchip.

(40:32):
So he didn't have the technology back then, but he
had the concept. He had the understanding of it. And
I think the same is true when we talk like
simulated universe. We have the idea, we have the concept.
We're using our current technology to be able to wrap
our heads around it, but it's going to be far,
far different. And so when you have again, we're going
to use our context of a computer program, and you

(40:54):
can look at it like a computer game or something
like that. You know, take like your Take Super. You know,
everything was already there on the cartridge and plugged it
in right. All the information for the game was there.
But you, as the player who were basically stuck in
this linear progression, you could move out through the level

(41:16):
do the different things. You could run and jump, which
is similar to what you know our world. You could
do different things within this world though, where you know,
a bunch of brick and all of a sudden you
get a mushroom and you grow three times as tall
and stuff like that. So similar ideas, a lot things
different within the actual game world. But all the information

(41:39):
was there. Now the programmer, when they were putting all
of that together, they could move in and about, you know,
at their will. And so that's the idea that we're
looking at here when we talk about different dimensions and
we're plugging into a simulation, that sort of thing is
that we're coming from a higher level coming in from
a higher dimension, and if we could take ourselves up

(42:03):
to that other dimension, then we would be able to
see everything that is there. All the information is there
before we talking about collective unconsciously conscious records. That's where
it's all there. It's a matter of being able to
try to bend or break those rules to be able
to access it.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Do you think that synchronicities could be a form of
some of this phenomena like time slips where we get
these messages from the universe and these events happen in
our lives that lead us in certain directions if we
pay attention, and they can be either beneficial or highly
terrible depending on the direction that we take. But these

(42:42):
synchronicities are there to lead us in certain directions, and
could it be possibly ourselves sending ourselves a message from
the future past.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, absolutely good, because again it's all there in our consciousness,
you know, being broadcast into this war world. Well, you
have to think about this. Our all of our lives
are here, you know, all of our past lives, all
our future lives. If it's all here, then our consciousness
from the beyond, as being broadcast here, is aware of

(43:13):
all of these different things on some sort of levels.
All the information is there, So yeah, I believe there
are times where we kind of get that nudge h
and that familiarity of well this is this is the
road to go, or you know, two things line up
so succinctly. You know, Oh that was interesting. The information's
all there, it's a matter of recognizing it and being

(43:38):
being able to tune into it.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Do you think there could be any danger to exploring
the technological aspects as far as some of the more
powerful groups on this planet some uh, just like we
were talking earlier Cern, some of the technologies that's being developed.
Do you see that if we gain any understanding of

(44:00):
this that there could be dangers meddling with it?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Well? Always, you know, anything that you do like this,
really anything you do in life, it's going to have
some degree of danger to it, right especially you take
a place like you know, Cern where you smashing particles together,
a thing like things like that, I mean, and it
releases great quantities of energy. I mean there's always a
danger on something like that. You know, when we look
at you know, we talk about like great cataclysms that

(44:30):
have occurred, you know, are we somewhat to blame for
those different things happening. When you look at you know,
the Atlantean uh civilization, what really happened there? You know,
how did how did they actually uh become destroyed? You know,
was it a cataclysm from above? Was it themselves? There

(44:52):
are a lot of different theories on that particular thing.
Or you look at you look at some of the
technology that ancient Egyptians had and things like that, where
you know, they had devices that we can't find today.
You know, what what actually happened to them? You know
the you see a lot of the different freezes and

(45:12):
artwork where they're holding you know, these rods, Well, we
don't have the rods today. What happened to them? You
see the depiction of the of the jet pillar? O. Fine,
we see a lot of uh, you know, the depictions
in the wall. We see like trinkets that were made
depicting the jet pillar. We haven't actually recovered a jet pillar,
so what was it? Right? A lot of people liking
it too. It looks like a Tesla coil, So you know,

(45:35):
did you know, did they have some sort of technology
with these different devices that you know, maybe they weren't
using them properly. Maybe they got to I want to
say abusive, but you know, they got careless, I guess
is a better term. They got careless with some of
their technology and things happen. So, yeah, you know, we
need to take some care in how we utilized these

(45:57):
different types of technologies.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Now you also touch on the possibilities of what could
be occurring with abduction, extraterrestrials and time loss associated with those.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Absolutely, so, yeah, you extraterrestrials coming to our planet and
interacting with us. Some of them, yes, excuse me, some
of them. Yes, you know, a physical level might have
some downcraft, you might have some physical interaction for somebody
that has arrived here in a physical craft. It's hard
to believe that they would be using Newtonian physics because

(46:32):
of the great distances that they would have to travel.
But maybe they view the life some sort of you know, Einstein,
rose and bridge, some sort of wormhole, that sort of thing.
But many of these are traveling interdimensionally as well. Beings
and entities that they might reside somewhere else in the
cosmos and know how to use the different dimensions to
be able to travel to here. They may live in

(46:54):
another dimension. We tend to forget that with all of
the up to eleven hyperstential dimensions, there are other beings
and entities living within these dimensions, so they could be
traveling from there as well. Now, when they come here
and they abduct someone, whether it's for study or whatever
they're doing, if they take them back into that other

(47:18):
dimension from whence they came, time is going to work differently.
So again, everything above here, everything above this fourth dimension
that's outside of our perception of what time is, is
going to act very, very differently. So you have a
lot of these cases in which you know, it seemed
like maybe an hour went by, it was actually a
few days, and things like that. And that's because things

(47:39):
are happening in different intervals within these other dimensions. And
we have stories like this that go back and when
we look at like fairy lore and things like that,
that they were also having these different experiences like this,
they just related it to fairies rather than extraterrestrials. So
these are experiences that people have been having for a

(48:01):
long long time.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Well, it seems like this phenomena, whether it's what we
understood as fairies or now extraterrestrials. It seems to evolve
just based on our understanding and what we individually and
collectively experience based on this phenomena, and it seems to
be constantly changing and evolving. But it also seems like

(48:24):
most of these contact experiences are taking place during altered states,
sleep states, meditative states. Most commonly, people are having these
experiences when they're sleeping and they'll wake up with these
memories or like you said earlier, they'll have this missing time.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So what do you think.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Could be the possibilities that it is us again once
again communicating with ourselves in different ways that we can
understand and perceive just based on our own awareness at
the time.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, I mean that could be, and I do talk
about that within the book where some people have attributed
different UFOs u P sightings things like that as uh,
they're they're not extraterrestrials, they're time travelers from from the future.
They are us, they are ourselves. And sure, i'll uh,

(49:16):
you know, I'll agree that some of them are. I
guess what bothers me is when and in any of
my work and research it it bothers me when somebody says,
like you know all of this phenomena over here, it
is this one thing, and it's like, well, no, it's
a lot of different things that happen to be using

(49:39):
the same energetic modality. So sure, some of these UFO's
ups can be time travelers. Uh, they could be us
from the future or even very distant past. You know,
we talked about Hey, you know the Egyptians, Atlanteans, you know,
things like this, are you know, having that technology too.
But but again it's I think some of it is

(50:00):
also physical or traveling in other means. But us from
the future. Sure, but I'll throw this out there too.
Just because it's from the future from this planet does
not necessarily make it human, because you know, our plant's
been around for a long long time, four point five

(50:22):
billion years the Grant scheme of the universe, it's kind
of small because of the universe has been around almost
fourteen billion, but still a long time to think about.
The dinosaurs went extinct sixty five million years ago, and
that's just over one percent of the entire length of
the age of the planet. So these evolutionary processes occur

(50:45):
over vast periods of time. So humans have only been
around a very very short period of time in the
history of the planet. How much longer we remain well,
that remains to be seen. But let's take you know,
a million, two million, three million years from now sixty
five million years in a small period of time incurrent

(51:06):
in relation to the entire length of the planet, because
we're going to be around another five billion years until
the Sun takes us out. So let's fast forward to
that period of time. We really think humans are still
going to be here. May maybe we may have annihilated
ourselves by then. Enough things will have changed on the
planet to change the climate change, you know, the shape

(51:28):
of the continents, all that sort of thing. We may
have entered into another ice age. You know, we might
not be here and it conditions may have become as
such that we may have gone off somewhere else in
the column Cosmos to colonize another planet. Okay, so we
might not be here that long in the future, but

(51:51):
at some point there could be an extraterrestrial civilization that
finds our planet, deems it inhabitable for their race, sets
up shot and develops technology, and perhaps they developed that
time travel technology. They want to discover the history of
the planet, and they come back in time, So yes,
it could be indigenous, something indigenous to our planet. You know,

(52:15):
it could be something from Earth that has traveled back
in time here, but it might not be human. And
it could even be like another life form, another intelligent
life form that has evolved on this planet, long long form.
Now it develops technology, including time travel comes back. So yeah,
time travel is sure, but not necessarily human.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Now, while we're on aliens, we're in very interesting times,
to say the least, when it comes to disclosure and
some of the information that's coming out from our government,
mainstream media, and some of the strange events that have
been unfolding in different locations like the UFO crash landing
in Vegas and the humanoids being seen in South America

(53:00):
and all over the place. There's some very high strangeness
going on. There's a lot of skepticism. There's a lot
of folks calling for that there could be a fake
alien invasion by our government. There's all kinds of speculation
and theories and conspiracies going on right now. But it's
super interesting times because we've never experienced any sort of

(53:22):
information like this coming out from our own government. So
of course people's minds are going to run crazy with it,
especially because we really haven't had any physical proof or
evidence come out about any of this yet. It's all
based on what these people are saying, and we're just
supposed to blindly believe it. But it is interesting that

(53:44):
they're even saying it now, So I want to get
your thoughts into what could be happening.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, it's an interesting point in time, and you're right,
it's all anecdotal. It's just you know, we have to
trust what they are telling us, at least as far
as well. It was great about the hearing. What was
it last month now or very intig When was it?
It was some weeks ago now? Yeah, time has flown.
What's great about it is that at least the discussion

(54:11):
is happening. The government can no longer just cart blodge
deny everything like they have been for decades, because there's
too much technology at our disposal. Now. The common person
has a four K camera uh in their in their
hip pocket, right, so it just oh, there's something up there, boom,
and we get some video of it there it is,
so they can't continue to deny, deny, deny, So the

(54:31):
government is at least acknowledging Okay, something's going on now,
that doesn't mean they're going to give us full disclosure.
And they had the great uh you know here and
there you get crush, you got favor, et cetera. And
you know, the conversation is happening. So that in and
of itself is a good thing. But like the other
day here, you know, the the government, you know, post

(54:55):
their website and they've got some little videos on there,
but it's just a way for them to continue to
control the narrative. They're at least saying, here's some stuff
that you know, we can't make sense of, and it's
stuff that we're all aware of. You this is nothing new.
We've been aware of these stories for a long long time.
And they're just saying, Okay, we don't have an answer

(55:16):
for this. But there's still it's still them trying to
control the narrative with giving us a little a little
piece of acceptance for us on our party. Yes we're
not totally crazy now, which which that part is good,
but they're still trying to control as much as they can.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
It's so interesting going back to the possibility of sort
of a simulation theory. Could it be that we are
manifesting everything that's happening and in reality based on our
awareness and the events that unfold as we experience them,
and as perceivable time goes on, we're introduced to the

(55:55):
possibility of aliens and extraterrestrials more and more, and now
our authority figures are telling us that it's real and
that these entities exist out there. So the more we
absorb that into our consciousness, the more we have a
collective belief in it. Could it be that we are manifesting,
are creating these experiences in a way.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Well, in a way. So yeah, the more we become
accepting of something, the more we introduce something into our lives,
the more we're going to see of it. So, you know,
it used to be decades ago people really on the
fringe that we're accepting of this, but we've seen more
and more of it over the years. Of course, our
pop culture really helped for those things to happen, as

(56:40):
more movies and books and things like this came out
of the subject and began to intrigue people, and you know,
people were experiencing things and seeing things in the sky
or you know, the abduction cases. That's sort of so
it became more and more and more of our culture.
And so yeah, there's there is definitely a collective power

(57:00):
that has risen here and you know, kind of that
subconscious thing. So when we talk about again kind of
tapping into the collective unconscious, I mean there is you know,
intent behind all of that too. You know, you can
if we just take a meditation, you know, you usually
go into that meditation with some sort of intent, and

(57:21):
you know, if you're looking for information, it might not
happen during that meditation, it might happen several meditations down
the road, or even while you're not meditating, all of
a sudden, the thing manifests whatever it was that you
were looking for. So you take a collective ole of
all these people that are now trying to manifest these things,
then yeah, we're going to see more and more and

(57:44):
more of that. You know, we've seen experiments along the
way where you know, you have a mass group of
people concentrating on like lower crime in a city for
a day. Oh sudden, okay, there's lower crime there for
that day. So you know that's a type of manifestation.
So when we look at it for something, you know,
big or an external to happen. Yeah, that's true too,
because we're all tapped into the energy of the universe.

(58:05):
We're all interconnected from here to the planet, to the Sun,
the Solar System, to other galaxies, to the universe as
a whole. Everything is connected.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Excellent, right on, Mike, This book is incredible, great conversation
before you head out, tell us about anything that you
have and that's coming up.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, We've got a few different conferences coming up
here from I'm a connaut in Utah, got a Connecting
the Universe the event in Middleborough, Massachusetts. That's a four
part presentation that I put on getting into topics like
this time travel. We also get into like Stargates of
Ancient Egypt, Atlantis, these sorts of things, and then of

(58:47):
course we're going back to Egypt next April Stargates of
Ancient Egypt tour. It's sixth April sixteenth through the twenty eighth.
Also Conscious Life Expo in February. So yeah, I got
a lot of different things coming up here.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Excellent, Mike. Always love our conversations. We'll be doing it
again in the future for sure. Before you go, let
everyone know once again where they can find all your content.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yeah, absolutely, Mike Ricksecker dot com. That's my primary website.
You can find the links to all the books there,
to the tours, those sorts of things, my advent schedule,
and then connect to Universeportal dot com is my online
learning portal, so visit that as well.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Excellent. Thank you again, Mike, and until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow and we'll
see yell then. Today, I want to welcome Bob Ingle.
He owns and operates Exit the Matrix on Facebook, x,
Instagram and YouTube. He has been researching human origins, ancient history, spirituality,

(59:47):
and various mysteries.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Since high school.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
His aim is.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
To encourage people to expand their minds and to stand
strong against the world controllers and they're ever expanding tyranny
again to humanity. Bob, Welcome. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I'm doing great, Chris, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I'm doing wonderful looking forward to this conversation. It's time
once again to explore possibilities about our human origins and
hidden ancient past. And you've done some amazing research into
these realms and much more, including trying to understand the
hidden nature of the unseen forces surrounding us at all times,

(01:00:29):
and there's a lot we can get into and discuss
just based on some of the things that I've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
You working on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
But this is your first time on Go ahead and
introduce yourself to the audience. Tell us a little bit
about yourself, your background, and what led you to this work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Uh, well, my name's Bob. I started Exit the Matrix
the Facebook, Exit the Matrix. I've got a couple different
platforms I'm on now, but it was about seven years
ago and just been building it up over time, and
basically I just made the page about you know what,

(01:01:11):
I'm interested in all of the mysteries, all of the
research that I've been into my whole life. And I've
been doing this, geez since i was about fifteen, sixteen
years old. So I've always been interested in the unknown.
I've always wanted to understand human origins. I've always wanted

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to understand, you know, why are we here. You know,
I wasn't one of these people that just kind of
go through life just going with the flow and you know,
just kind of being programmed by the system. And I
was always one of those people that swam against the stream.
And I just really wanted to delve into this stuff myself.

(01:01:52):
When I was young. I was already in high school
reading like Nostra Damis. I dove down deep into Edgar Casey,
you know, the Sleeping Profit, and yeah, yeah, he's awesome,
and uh he did a lot of work on Atlantis,
a lot of readings, and so that really was interesting
to me. I was always into like the Bermuda Triangle.

(01:02:13):
I actually did a U my final English project on
the Bermuda Triangle when I was in high school, and
I put tons of time into it and I thought
it was just awesome. I loved it. And uh, the
funny thing was, I nobody else probably knew what I
was talking about, but you could tell they were interested,
but they never heard about it. And you know, dug

(01:02:37):
down into a Bible prophecy a lot. Was always interested
in the profits and you know, revelation and all that,
and then from there on it kind of went into
more spirituality, metaphysics, and of course now quantum physics is uh,
it's the science is starting to catch up now to
you know what those of us that have been delving

(01:02:59):
into the metal physics for a while, you know, it's
starting to catch out now the science, so you know
that's coming along, and uh yeah, and then I started
getting into the Ananaki and and that was because I
got tired of just kind of boxing myself into like
the Biblical narrative. So I started, you know, researching like

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the Nogamadi and the Vedic texts and Egyptian mythology, Greek
and Roman mythology, and Zoroastrianism, and then started really diving
deep into the Quineiform tablets. And then I started realizing,
holy smokes, like all these same stories in the Bible
are all in the quinea form. However, there's a lot

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more detail and background than what the Bible's kind of
like the reader's digest version of all of these ancient texts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, great introduction. I think that would be also a
good place to start is with human origins. Based on
everything that you've looked that it does seem that there
are major similarities to each of the theological and ancient
human origin stories, but like you said, there seems to

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be a lot more details in some of these older texts.
You also said that you've been looking into the Anunaki
a lot. I've had plenty of guests who've done deep
dives and written plenty of books into their understandings of
the Anunaki and how it relates to the possibilities of

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human creation, other worldly beings or interdimensional beings that may
have tinkered with human DNA. But I want to get
your understanding of this and the creation story in general.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Okay, Well, for one, I would like to tell anybody
if they haven't read the Enuma Lish, that's a good
place to start. That's the Babylonian sorry Bolonian creation story.
And actually the Babylonian version changed a little bit from
the original Akkadian version. The Akkadian version had Ankie as

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the hero in the story, but in the Babylonian version,
mar Duke was made the main god, you know, the
victor in the story. However, if you when you read
the New Malisha, you'll realize that it's about a cosmic
event that happened in our galaxy. It seems to explain

(01:05:34):
a battle in the heavens between the gods between you know,
Tiamot and her army, with Kanu as her main like
I guess, lieutenant you could call him, and there's this
whole battle between the gods and this Tiamot. Well, what
I've come to understand is that Tiamot was Earth in

(01:05:55):
its original form. Earth was much bigger than it is now.
But there was this that I don't know if there
was a planet that was brought into our orbit, or
if there was some kind of like asteroids or moons
that came out of orbit from other planets, but it's
what it seems like the story is explaining is that

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there was this cosmic battle and there were planetary objects
that were moved around out of orbit, and there was
collisions that happened. And if you look at the damage
on Mars that you can tell that something just plowed
right through Mars. And I guess it's like this gorge

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that was torn into Mars was like it's like a
hundred times like deeper than the Grand Canyon even. I mean,
it's a mess. So that couldn't have been just something
from like earthquakes or volcanoes. This had to be a
planetary collision that happened. And of course we have the
asteroid belt, well the Sumerians called it the hammered bracelet,

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so well, it's kind of interesting, you know that there's
a lot of similarities there but what happened was this
planet Tiamot was just torn asunder, and this is explained
in the Innuma lish how her, you know, her insides
were torn apart and sprayed across like the uh, you

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know space, I guess, or whatever you want to call it.
And that was the part, the part of the planet
that got torn apart was what became that hammered bracelet.
And then Earth reformed over time, and then so the
Earth that we're living on now was the remains of
that that Tiamot, that planet that was here before. And

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at one time Mars actually was a livable planet and
it was inhabited, but when that collision happened with it,
it lost its atmosphere. It became unlivable, well at least
as far as we're we know it's unlivable. However, I
questioned that that perhaps there's still water and atmosphere left there,

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that maybe anybody that's left still living their humanoids or
maybe are you know, the people that we came from,
They could be underground, maybe living in the core of
the planet. So it's hard to tell. However, when mar
Duke won this battle, the basically this Earth got re

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terraformed and and so that was really that's an ancient,
ancient story that goes back to you know, when the
earth was just forming and being reformed and all that
and re terraformed. And you'll notice too when you read
the numo Lish, it's very similar to the beginning of
Genesis when God was creating you know, Earth, and and

(01:08:51):
you know, separating the waters, you know, from below with
the waters from above and all of that. So and
then of course from Numa Lish, where I like to
take people to do their own research is in the
in the Autra Hasis or the outra Hasis. That is
an amazing tablet. I mean that is, it explains why

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Homo sapiens were made. And of course a lot of
times when you start talking about this, people will say
you're just regurgitating Sitchen. I just want to put out
a a something, you know, a disclaimer saying my theories
do not completely line up with Sitchens. He did some
amazing research. However, what Sitchen did is exactly what I've done.

(01:09:38):
He just went back and read translated tablets. He was
not the one who translated those tablets. He was studying
the tablets that were already translated by George Smith and
older linguists that were around mid eighteen hundreds and on.
So I just want to put that out there because
I've been getting gas lit a lot by people saying, oh,

(01:10:00):
you guys are just regurgitating Zacharai Sitchen. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Now, the first thing I hear lately whenever someone talks
about Zacharai Sitchen is that he was possibly some sort
of controlled opposition or may have been a CIA asset
of some sort. It's possible, who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Yeah, you know a lot of people point to the
fact that he was more likely a Mason. That could be.
That could be. However, what I seen Sichen did was
he took these these already translated tablets, you know that
some of the ones we've already mentioned here, and then
he took his He was a he was a linguist

(01:10:41):
and a researcher into the Hebrew and the Aramic texts
in the you know, the early Biblical text. So what
he was doing was he was taking the Egyptian mythology,
the Hebrew text, the Aramic, the the Greek version of
the Bible, and then he was taking these canaff and
then he was trying to like tie it all into

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one story, you know, And if you've ever listened to
or read the book, the Lost Book of Anki, that
is basically a culmination of all of his work, trying
to tie it all together into one story. He stylized
it in kind of a futuristic sense, as far as
I guess if you were looking at it from the

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Ananaki being this like technologically advanced race, and then you
know kind of how we would see that, like if
we were in a futuristic sense, if we had reached
their level of technology, and it kind of like if
we went to another planet and we did the same thing,
you know, we we started tinkering with the genetics of

(01:11:44):
that planet, and we started setting up bases and making
those hominids on that planet that maybe were less advanced,
and upgrading them to make them more of an advanced species,
however not a lot, allowing them to be at a
higher level than than we were, so that we could

(01:12:05):
control them, you know. And of course, as we know
from the Samaran Cana farm, it seems as if Anki
gave us a little bit more of an upgrade than
and Lil who is Yahweh in the Old Testament would
have liked.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So based on your understanding, these advanced beings, whether they're
extraterrestrials or humanoids from other planets or maybe inter dimensional realms,
came here and they did indeed use haminid DNA combined
with possibly their own to create what is now seen
as humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Absolutely. The outra Hasis explains that in detail, how there
was there was a worker class of Ananaki. They were
called the Gigy, and they they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Were announced a gigi or a GigE.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's just like the Otra sees it
can be you know, pronounced different ways. So they they
basically were the worker class of the Ananaki, and they
were they rebelled against Yahweh and Lil because they were
getting tired of doing all this rate i mean sorry,

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doing all this work. Their race was used to used
to using technology to do the hard labor. They came
from a more highly technological society and where they had
you know, probably robots and AI and all these different
systems that did their work for them. But they were
they were on a planet now where they had to

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use what was here, and they got stuck digging the canals,
mining the gold, building the city states the early you know,
buildings and such, and so they were the ones doing
all the hard labor. They were raising the animals, they
were raising the crops, and they rebelled against this work

(01:13:58):
because they weren't used to do this. They were like
soldiers basically, they were like meant to you know, they
they were they came within Lil, and Lil was the
commander of Earth, also known as the god of the
heir and Uh. He's also known as her Amazda in
the in the Zoroastrian But they they rebelled, and so

(01:14:20):
he went to his brother Ankie, who was more of
a scientist, and he said, fashion a man, fashion a
Lulu to replace, you know, to take over the work
of the gods the gigy. And so then the Atra
hasisk goes into detail how how Ankie with the help

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of his half sister Ninma. In fact, it just a
side note, Ninma, we actually get the name Mama like
your mother from Ninma and I can explain that later
why that is. But she's also called nin Herzag. Well,
Ninma and Anki they went and fashion the first a Damu,

(01:15:00):
who was called a Dappa, and they explained that this
was to be a a prototype that would replace the
ananaki the giggy from having to do the labors. And
then if you have ever read the quinev form tablet
Anki and Ninma, it's very interesting. They're like literally sitting

(01:15:22):
together in a kind of it's almost like a laboratory setting.
They're drinking beer together, kind of messing with each other,
joking around, and then they start working on fashioning this
a damu and they're you know, going through all these
different variations. Like yeah, it's really it's kind of creepy

(01:15:42):
when you when you read it, because you're like, what
in the heck am I reading? Because they're kind of
joking around about these like miss you know, these weird
creations they made that are missing limbs and that they
you know, all these oddities, you know, and it's because
they're going through that process, you know, working out the

(01:16:02):
kinks on this hybrid, on this fashion being. And that
was what was being explained through. That was how they
had to work through all that, you know, you know,
just like our genetic scientists have to do the same thing.
You have to keep tinkering with it until you get
it just right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
So do you think what has been termed the elohimn
may have also been the Anunaki.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
The Elohem has been misused by I'm not even to
say it's misused in the Bible the way it's translated,
because the Bible actually translated translates it correctly. It's the
churches and the religious orders that have taken it out
of context. What they've tried to Loheim l is singular god,

(01:16:53):
Elohem is multiple gods. In fact, it can mean the
shining ones, the powerful ones. There's different inflections of Eloheim,
and it even says in Genesis. I'm not I'm paraphrasing
it loosely, but it essentially says, you know, come let
us make man in our image after our likeness. I mean,

(01:17:15):
it tells you right there in the Bible. And then people,
the biblical scholars will try to say, well, that was
that was the trinity of the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit, and that's why Eloheim was plural. But
that's ridiculous because once you read the Caniform you realize
that those stories, that biblical narrative was taken from the

(01:17:39):
Canaiform stories.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Depending on what researcher you're speaking with, there have been
different versions of humanity and possibly different cataclysmic events and
resets that could have wiped us completely off the face
of the Earth, and we may have had to start
over multiple times throughout our ancient past. If that is

(01:18:06):
the case, could it be possible that there had been
versions of humanity before what we understand is the Innunaki
creation story, and is what you understand of Atlantis? Does
this come before or after the Babylonian creation story?

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Thanks Chris, while you read my mind, I did want
to segue into that, so wow, you set me up perfect.
So you know, how what you were mentioning earlier, these
extraterrestrial interdimensional or perhaps is it that they were Atlanteans?
That is actually factored into my theory on this because

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it makes sense it could be. You know, it would
be very hard for an extraterrestrial race to come here,
even with super advanced technology, you know. And of course
the Biblical narrative is that they're interdimensional, you know, that
they're falling angels, even though in the Bible it never

(01:19:12):
really totally explains what that means, you know, it just
gives you a loose sense of well, they come from heaven,
Well what is heaven? Is it? Space is it another dimension? However,
what you're saying is it actually can fit very well
into this puzzle piece. Because if the Atlantis at one
time was a super technologically advanced civilization that was on

(01:19:36):
Earth now just like now we in the United States,
Europe and Asia and a lot of other you know,
areas of the Earth. You know, countries on Earth are
technologically advanced. However, there are lesser advanced nations on Earth,
lesser advanced peoples on Earth. There are literally people still

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living in jungles, like living off the land, very primitive,
like I mean, they think a phone is like a
device of the gods. You know, so at during the
time of Atlantis, if you have read the Edgar Casey
like readings on that, and then of course Dolores Cannon
has also done a lot of work on Atlantis, you know,

(01:20:19):
when she was still here with us and we and
of course you had you know Plato and what he
said about Atlantis and then the he got that from
the Egyptians was passed down and then if you've read
the Emerald Tablets of both. Now, I don't want to
go into the yay or nay on that because some
people say, well, Dorian made it all up. It doesn't

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matter because if Dorian wrote that, he actually pulled from
the Mystery School teachings that would been passed down for
thousands of years. So whether that was from Thoth, Hermes
or Dorian wrote those, it doesn't matter. That wisdom has
been passed down for thousands of years. So according to
them Emerald Tablets, Thoth was an Atlantean priest and when

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Atlantis was destroyed, the what happened was is that the
ruling class, the priests class, and probably their scientific class
escaped that destruction, and then they after the things had
settled down, they went around the earth to start re

(01:21:25):
establishing civilization again once it had been destroyed completely worldwide.
And this makes a lot of sense because even in
Emerald Tablets it talks about how Egypt, of course that
was the land of cam pre Egypt time. They he
talks about how they had a civilization, but they got

(01:21:46):
destroyed and they went back to primitive living again and
they were like wild barbarians again. And then when Thoth
and his entourage showed up in cam in Egypt, these
barbarians came to see, you know, to attack them, but
they had this advanced weaponry that held them at bay,

(01:22:07):
and then they started worshiping both as a god and
both goes explains us all on the Emerald Tablets at
the beginning of it, and it's like I said, you know,
this is another gaslighting thing that comes up a lot
with people to just wipe it away, but we'll just
roll with it right now. And and all of it
goes hand in hand with Edgar Casey, with Dolores Cannon,

(01:22:30):
with what we've heard from Plato. So there is a
common thread of knowledge about Atlantis, and it would make
sense right that just like nowadays, let's say, right now,
God forbid, we have a worldwide conflagration, a cataclysm, whether
it's a cosmic one or like a nuclear war, that

(01:22:51):
sets us back into the Stone Age. What's going to happen.
The elite, they're you know, the the military heads, the
top priest class, the engineers, the scientists. They're gonna go
underground in bunkers, right, They're gonna survive the destruction. They're
gonna wait till like radiation levels settle, till the earth

(01:23:12):
kind of starts settling again. They're gonna come above ground,
and then they're gonna go start trying to find pockets
of humans that have survived on the surface or in
caves and such, and then they're gonna start rebuilding civilization
from that point on. And now at this point, after
years have gone by, people that are left are gonna

(01:23:35):
be primitive and then they're all sudden, depending on how
many generations have passed, they're gonna see these as gods,
you know, these people with technology, you know, with high technology.
And of course mankind always does something we are very
bad at this. When we have the chance to grab power,
we take it. And people crave power over others. So

(01:23:58):
then they're gonna love the fact that they're getting warshiped
as gods and they're going to take on that persona right.
And then you get these people to work for you,
collect the resources for you, mine for you, you know,
raise animals and bring you food, very similar to what
the Ananaki talk about in the you know, at least

(01:24:20):
what's talked about the Anonachi in the Kinea form.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Now, all the depictions that we see in our ancient
past of these Anunaki beings, whether it be the Babylonian
statues or otherwise, they are depicted usually as very large
with wings at times, and the large beard. They also
have what appears to be some sort of wristwatch and

(01:24:44):
carrying these bags. What is your interpretation of these depictions
of these beings.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Well, as far as the wings go, I believe personally
that it's symbolic. I believe that that it is symbolic
of them having the ability of fly, not that they're
fluttering around, you know like we you know, like angels
with wings, you know, like like Christians would imagine, but
that it's symbolic of the fact that they had this

(01:25:17):
technology to fly. Because a primitive person seeing them get
in a ship and fly off in the sky, well,
how else are they going to describe that they don't
have they They're not going to have the vocabulary in
the understanding of that technology to say, oh, no, it's
a flying ship. They're going to call it a chariot
of the God. They're going to say, you know that

(01:25:38):
they have the wings are going to denote that they
have the ability to fly, and then the bags what
it always talks about. The bags, oftentimes are called the
mes the Emmys, which there's still a major debate on this.
Nobody has truly unlocked this, however, what I think it
describes is the means to build civilization. It's almost like

(01:26:01):
having the bag of tricks of magic, right, like a
bag of magic. Like they understood engineering, mathematics, astronomy, they
understood you know, genetics, animal husbandry, even genetically modifying plants,
you know, producing plants that are edible to humans, that

(01:26:21):
have high yields. And if you read the Samarian kinet form,
there's many tablets dedicated to just like Anki and other
gods in that pantheon, teaching these skills to humanity. And
this is also shadowed by the Book of Enoch. The
Book of Enoch goes into detail about how the fallen

(01:26:42):
angels the Watchers, came to Earth and they taught mankind metallurgy,
you know, how to build, you know, how to mind,
how to mind metals, and how to or sorry, how
to mine ores and how to turn them into metals
and make weapons and tools and plows and such. The
Book of talks about how they even taught mankind how
to beautify themselves, how to put on makeup and all this.

(01:27:06):
And if you look at the depictions of the Ananaki,
they had even the men have mascara an eyeliner and stuff.
So even the men, the Ananaki, those you know, those
gods goes, you know God's quote unquote, were wearing makeup
and such, and they they believed in beautifying themselves. I mean,

(01:27:26):
look at the intricacy in their hair and the ringlets
in their beards, everything I mean down to that, like
the intricacy of their clothing. This was very highly advanced beings.
If you look at what mankind wore in ancient times,
it was very plain clothing, you know, I mean almost

(01:27:48):
like sackcloth, like very like very plain clothing. It wasn't
like really intricate until later on in the ages. But
this was going back as old as four thousand BC.
And they're showing these beings with these intricate like you know,
clothing on and intricate like ringlets in their beards and
in their hair, mascara on their eyes. You see that

(01:28:11):
with the Egyptians also makeup and such. This was advanced.
They taught this to us. To the homost safety, we
didn't have these skills. And so the other one you
were talking about the the the watch, the watch, right,
so it's not a watch. What that is symbolizing is

(01:28:35):
is the Flower of Life. Now, this is very interesting.
We'd tie in, but this is a really hot topic
right now, and you'll know what I'm talking about. I'm
assuming you watched it the interview of Joe Rogan with
Terren Power. Did you watch that? He goes in the
major detail about what that Flower of life design is, right,

(01:28:58):
and how that's a cross section of the human DNA,
and how that is an encoding of essentially the energetic
matrix of this realm of the quantum field and such
so highly advanced symbology within those ancient carvings and those
cylinder seal pictures, do you think these.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Beings may have been responsible for any large scale cataclysms
that may have wiped out large portions of humanity? As
written in some of these ancient texts, that they weren't
happy with their creation, so they decided to start over
with everything with either a flood or some sort of

(01:29:39):
massive weaponry.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
So I've got a couple answers to this one I
want to allude to. According to Edgar Casey and Delores
Cannon and some of these like channeled readings of people's
past lives, they explained how there was a struggle going
on in in Atlantis that they had these what they
used were these giant crystals. They used silicon as a

(01:30:06):
way to hold data, to use, you know, to communicate,
to also generate power. They had a different way of
power than we do. You know. They they weren't using
oils and you know, oil and gas and you know
all these other means. They were using crystals to generate
energy from the lay lines of the Earth, from the

(01:30:27):
energetic makeup of the Earth, kind of similar to what
Tesla was trying to do with his Tesla Tower. And
apparently there was a struggle going on between different sects
of religions. There was the Brotherhood of Darkness and the
Brotherhood of Light, and they were having a battle going on,
and that spilled over into their civilization. And I guess

(01:30:51):
something happened with the technologies with these power crystals, these
power devices they had, and there was a huge explosion
that caused a cataclysm that just wiped out their whole civilization.
It was like it probably was like all these devices
were probably connected, so it was probably like a chain reaction.
And so there's that alluded to now that was caused

(01:31:15):
by them. Maybe they didn't mean to do that. However,
we could look at the Hindu Vedic text too, and
what did they talk about in like the mahar Burata,
they talk about the gods warring in the heavens, in
their flying ships, in their vimanas, and literally describing missiles
and weapons they called them, like these giant javelins that

(01:31:38):
would explode and everything, and how these some of these
flying cities, these things were crashing to the ground. So
it could have been a worldwide war that happened. Also,
now I know what you're alluding to. You're probably talking
about the flood.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Right between in lillen Inky, how one was portrayed as
more of a benevolent ruler and aligning with humanity more
than the other, and one was more vengeful.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Yes. So so this is the one thing that even
like Sitchen and other people have delved into this have
not been able to totally answer. Everybody has their theories
on it. I personally don't think, just for my research,
that the Ananaki or that this god Yahweh brought the flood.

(01:32:38):
I don't believe that. I believe what happened was there
was some kind of a natural catastrophe that happened, and
that but the Ananachi knew it was coming, and so
they prepared for that. However, they did not prepare mankind
for that. And the reason being is because there was

(01:33:01):
a rivalry between Enki and in Lil and their families.
There was a power struggle, and in Lil wanted he
had wanted originally Adam and Eve were this prototype human
to be a simple worker slave. He didn't want them
to be advanced. He didn't want them to have the

(01:33:24):
capabilities of the mind and the spirit like the Ananaki had,
because he just he wanted simple workers that could be
easily controlled, kind of like similar to what we want
to do with Ai right now. However, and Gee upgraded
them more than in Lil thought he was going to.

(01:33:45):
He gave us a bigger brain, probably than in Lil wanted,
and he he was he This is kind of a
hard one to get for some people. But there's a
part in the Outraja see where it where Anki explains
how they have to sacrifice one of the Ananaki to

(01:34:08):
give essence life to the first human prototype, to the
first Damu. And so I think what they did was
they transferred the spirit of that of that Ananaki into
that avatar. So Ankie tried to. He had to figure

(01:34:28):
out a way to give life to these avatars, because
you can clone human bodies all day, every day, but
you have to have the life essence, the spirit, that
is what drives the avatar, that is what commands the avatar.
And so somehow these Ananaki figured out a way to

(01:34:51):
entice spirits from higher dimensions to come down into these
lower dimensional avatars. So I don't know on a multiple
on a multi dimensional level, if there was some way
that they were able to entice spirits to come here. Interesting,
but from what I've learned about out of body experiences

(01:35:14):
and near death experiences, we choose to come here. We
choose to come into the lower dimension. So it's almost
like they created these bodies and then they were like, hey, guys,
like in the universe, hey in creation, come down and
check out these bodies we created, come check out this dimension.
And they were somehow able to entice. But that first Edamu,

(01:35:38):
they used one of their own kind spirit, They killed
his body and were able to put his spirit in
that Edamu, and that was the Adappa, the first you know,
that was the first living one. So man, sorry, this
is hard to explain quickly because it is more. It's

(01:36:01):
a very complicated thing. But I hope I'm not losing
anybody here, Okay, But so you notice in Genesis, how
angry in Lil yahweh gets at Ankie the serpent forgetting
Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I believe that that was symbolic of this upgrade to
this avatar that they created to be their worker race,
this organic biological robot you could call the human body.
And in Lil thought Anki was just fashioning some kind

(01:36:45):
of you know, something they could control easily. And when
in Lil seening how advanced in intellect because Ankie was
teaching Adam and Eve all of these things, these secrets too,
when he's seen that, and Lil was infuriated because he
understood now at this point, Ankie had started a ball

(01:37:08):
rolling on something that could become greater than them, just
like our same fear. If you listen to Elon Musk,
he says the same thing about AI and robotics and
merging of that. What can happen if we allow we
don't control AI somehow, and it gets out of control

(01:37:31):
and it becomes self aware, and it has a way
to replicate. It could overcome us at some point, it
could be become smarter than us. That was the same
fear I believe in Lil had about humanity. And ANKI
was a scientist, so he was just like rolling with it.
He was like he was so into his research and

(01:37:52):
into his work, him and his sister Nima, that they
were upgrading the crap out of this. Adam and Eves.
I mean they were like given them, you know, given
us these amazing the two left and right brain hemispheres.
They were given us great empathy and great intellect. Of course,

(01:38:12):
the problem with most humanity is we have not found
violence between those two halves. We most of us are
pushed in polarity to the far right of the far left.
And because of that, we have so much division in
our society. And it makes you almost wonder if originally
we had one single huge brain and they purposely divided

(01:38:35):
the brain into two hemispheres to cause that division to
control us. Just the thought, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
You know, what do you think happened to these beings ultimately?
Or is it possible that they are still pulling strings
up until today?

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
So I believe there is a remnant of them here,
but I think most of them have been bred into humanity,
I think. And the reason I say this is because
if you look at like the Samerian kings List and
the Egyptian mythology, going back to the pre Pheronic lines,

(01:39:16):
you'll notice that the original gods lived for tens of
thousands of years. They ruled Earth for tens of thousands
of years, and then what you'll see is in the
Samiran kings List that it starts going down the lives
of the rulers. And you'll see that in the Egyptian too,
like when Thoth was ruling Egypt, he ruled for tens

(01:39:38):
of thousands of years, and then Raw took over rulership,
and then eventually it started getting passed down to their
demi god children and as those because they started interbreeding
with humanity later on. Not only did we get their
DNA at the beginning when we were hybridized, but then
they started intermixing with us later on down the line.

(01:40:00):
And of course that's where you get the stories in
the Bible of the Nephilum and in the Book of
Enoch with the watchers, you know, mating with human women
and then it caused monstrosities and all this stuff to happen.
So I think what happened was is that they passed
the lineage down to their half human children, and then

(01:40:21):
they were also eventually breeding in with humanity, and so
you've seen that bloodline get diluted and diluted and diluted
throughout time. Now, is there a remnant of them still
on Earth? I think there could be, the problem is,
we don't know how long they live, but according to
the Samerian tablets, they lived way longer than we did.

(01:40:42):
They lived for tens of thousands of years. So there
could be some of them still somewhere that never bred
with humans, that kept their bloodline peer and only breathe
with each other, and they could be pulling the strings
from behind the shadows, so to speak. But it could
be through their human agents that still carry their bloodline

(01:41:03):
from ancient times that got passed down. And we know
that there is a blood line on Earth that is protected.
It's they're called the Blue bloods. In fact, it's interesting
to note that they have copper based blood where most
of us have iron based blood, and that that's why
royal the royal bloodlines have always interbred with each other.

(01:41:26):
It's because they're trying to protect that specific blood, and
that's why they believe that they have a God says
that they should be, you know, the kings and queens
over humanity. You see this with the royal blood in
Britain and other European countries. They they have that's why

(01:41:48):
they call them the blue bloods because they're blue. Their
blood is slightly different than ours, or maybe they have
still more of that higher percentage of that Ananochi and
Nuna blood that's been passed down, you know, over thousands
of years.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
When I look at the ruling class and the level
of psychopathy that permeates throughout there, it's hard to imagine
that it's just strictly humans that are calling a lot
of the shots, especially at the higher levels. And what's
unfolding right now, there's a lot of people that speculate
that there is some sort of other worldly intelligence at

(01:42:27):
the top when it comes to some of these either
high level secret societies free Masonic orders that the ideologies
trickle out of that keeps us in this matrix control system.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Basically exactly, they've always see there are human beings on earth,
they're not given the full story, but they're given a
lot more than we are, like the common folk. And
those mysteries have been how down for thousands of years

(01:43:02):
through the mystery schools and the hermetic teachings and such.
Now a lot of there's been different splinter groups off
of those teachings, those original mystery schools, and the Masons
are one of them. You have other ones that have
continued to hoard this information from humanity because here's the

(01:43:24):
real deal. They can't let us as a society as
a whole figure this out. They can't because once humans
realize that that I'm not talking about our bodies now,
I'm talking about our spirits, our our true self, our

(01:43:44):
conscious energy. The fact that we interface directly in with
the quantum field, that the quantum field is the law,
is the law. It's the energetic matrix of this realm,
and it follows the u universal laws are which are
also called the hermatic loans. If you read the Hermatic laws,

(01:44:07):
that was thousands of years of teaching about the quantum field.
It's how to interface with that, how you manipulate it,
how you work with it. They don't want people knowing
that because you know, when all this talk about manifestation
and the secret and all these things. All that is
is little glimpses into how to interface in with the

(01:44:29):
quantum field. Magic. They've had this information.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Yeah, those has been to say, magic, manifestation, rituals, these
things are always to interact with that unseen force. And
I was gonna get into your insights into what's happening
in these academic realms. You were talking about how they're
starting to catch up with understandings in the fields of

(01:44:55):
quantum physics. What is your understanding of where we're current
at with our academic understandings and do you think that
it seems like so much is just out of the
bag right now that they're going to have to start
revealing these understandings and integrating it with technology, which is

(01:45:16):
very dangerous for people in power because that puts an
end to everything that we thought was our control system.
And what we understand is free energy. Zero point could
be a thing that changes our entire world, and it
collapses the control system. So it's very dangerous for some interests.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Look, I say this all the time on my videos.
We are still a slave race. Look, people need to
wake up to this. We are not free us, even Americans,
we are not free. The day you were born, you're
given a social Security number. That social security number ties

(01:46:01):
you from day one to the national debt. And who
owns this who has this debt? There's a that they
That's how they control humanity. They use Banking is one
of the ways to control humanity. Religion and government are
the other. I call them the three pillars of control.
You know, religion, banking, and government. The day you're born,

(01:46:26):
you your your social Security numbers traded as a collateral
on the debt on the stock market. You are. That's
why they call you a human resource. The day you're born.
They don't see you as a sovereign, conscious energy being.
They see you as property. They and they they you know,

(01:46:47):
when they put your foot on the when you're a baby,
they put the soul of your foot on your birth certificate. Right,
that's symbolic that they own your soul, the soul of
your foot. It's magic.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Yeah, Jordan Maxwell explains this much better than I ever could.
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
I was very lucky enough to have Jordan on the
show a couple of times before he passed away. And
what a great man and great information that he brought
to the table.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Absolutely, man, what a what a loss. He is the
master at understanding symbology. But getting back to what you
were saying, So I just that's why I wanted to
set that foundation first. We are not free. We are
still slaves. We always have been. They've always seen us
as their property and the reason why they have always

(01:47:42):
divided us. They've done it since the beginning. See, there
was a time, it even tells us the story in
the Bible when humankind worked together under one mind, one voice,
in cooperation to try to overthrow the Ananachi, and that
was the Tower of Babel. Now what did they do

(01:48:04):
in the Bible? They manipulated that story and they tried
to make that a story about how evil mankind is? Right,
how dare mankind try to overthrow the gods? The god
which was the gods? Because it wasn't yahweh. Well, yeah,
it was a group of gods, okay, the Ananaki. The

(01:48:25):
Bible was never about one god. That the Tower of
Babel was symbolic of humankind working together against their tyranny
to overthrow them. See, they had these ships the vermanas
like in the Hindu text, that they hovered over the earth.

(01:48:45):
That that was their protective place, you know, kind of
watching the earth below, and that was kind of like
they probably had motherships or something or some kind of
like flying grand areas that they that they were in sometimes.
So I believe what the Tower Babbel was is they
we were trying to build humankind something that could reach

(01:49:05):
up to their ships, because I think humans thought if
we could get to them, we can we can like
put an end of their rule, we can overthrow them.
And that's why Yahweh had to in the Sumerian it
was and Lil had his son Ninerta destroyed the Tower
of Babbel with with you know, technology, And then what

(01:49:29):
the Ananaki did was they spread human kind out more
on the earth. Instead instead of us being in a
centralized location, they spread us out around the earth. And
then they put genetic markers on us races Asians, black, white,
the red man, you know, uh, you know, different hues

(01:49:53):
a man human. They put genetic markers so that they
could say, okay, this is my race, my chosen people. Okay,
that's yours. Well, this is my chosen people, you know,
and that they started setting up civilization all around the
world and that's where you start seeing the pyramids popping

(01:50:14):
up all around the earth. And then what they did
then was what that caused, was that caused people to
start new languages and new writings. Now, what did they
do to us? They did the age old military tactic
of divide and conquerment. Now, all of a sudden, you
got everybody separated all around. And then eventually, like we see,

(01:50:38):
now you're gonna have divisions and you're gonna have war
between those separated peoples. And so they've always been doing
this to us since the beginning. We got to we
got so many of us, we got we advanced to
a point where they can no longer, you know, completely
control us. So their their tech their technique was to

(01:51:02):
separate and divide us. And then they started up religions.
Religion was a fantastic way to get humanity in line.
Now they had us worshiping them as gods. And it's
interesting because of Mesopotamia, each one of the city states

(01:51:24):
was dedicated to one of these Inuna gods, one was
dedicated to Anana, one was dedicated to Enki, one was
dedicated to in Lil, one to Marduke, and so on.
So that they were smart. They got like they They
basically got humanity to bring them the food, bring them
the riches. And not only that, because of how we

(01:51:47):
interface them with the quantum field, they got humans to
pray in their name, to give their power to them,
so that they were human human humanity was going to
their temples, worshipping them, pushing our energy into them, and
they were absorbing us our energy on a multi dimensional level.

(01:52:08):
Interesting through the quantum field. Wow, and the power of
prayer is real, folks. The problem is is that it's
not the god doing the power. It's you doing the
power because you are a fractal of the source of
all creation. And when you pray to other gods, you're
just giving them your power. That's all you're doing. And

(01:52:30):
they understood this. They didn't want humans figuring all this out.
They wanted to try to keep us ignorant, and that's
why the Mystery School teachings have been protected and only
allowed initiates to get that information. However, the magic of
the Internet is is that it's turned humanity into a

(01:52:51):
high mind and it's allowed us all to start connecting
and sharing all this ancient teachings and share all these
ancient tablets and books and all of this stuff. It
was Pandora's box has been open. The Internet is Pandora's box,
and now they're losing control of us like they did before.

(01:53:13):
So what are they going to start doing now? I'm
not going to go into details because I don't want
to get your page in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
You're oh, I'm off YouTube already. I've done get got
kicked off there, so might as well go into it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Okay, cool? Well what are they going to do now?
What we're seeing them doing? Putting things in the air
and the water and the food in the medicine, messing
with our genetics, transhumanism, to build a matrix within a matrix,
Because this is the diabolical thing of these people. And
I've gone into great detail explaining what the beast system

(01:53:49):
is in Revelation. They plan on trying to trap your
spirit in this dimension, in a matrix within the matrix.
They want to trap you in a technological cube, in
the what you would call the metaverse or whatever they
want to call you the Internet of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
I see that, man. You can if you take a
step back and you've been looking at this long enough,
you can see how everything fits together, the attempted disconnection
from source and the reconnection to this artificial intelligence matrix
metaverse universe that they're trying to get us trapped in.

(01:54:33):
So it's very obvious once you really look, take a
step back and look at it all. Now, for the
last few minutes, we have fast forward to today with
quote unquote disclosure and our government and media discussing UFOs
more openly. And I know that it's always been in
the background, and we've had our ups and downs with

(01:54:56):
more or less interest in the public and more or
less disclosure from our government at all times. But now
it seems to be really ramping up, and there seems
to be agendas behind the revelations. As usual, there's propaganda,

(01:55:16):
there is psychological operations going on. But what is it
leading to and why now with the extraterrestrial UAP revelations,
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
It's just them spinning magic around us like usual. What
they're see, what they're going to allude to is that yes,
there was a extraterrestrial race that came to Earth in
the distant past, and that they created us and all
they are going to start letting that out of the bag. However,
they're not going to tell us about the whole interdimensional

(01:55:57):
they're not going to tell us about the how we
interface with the quantum field. They're not gonna tell us
that this is not the realm we come from. They're
not gonna tell us that we're born slaves when we
come and incarnate into this realm. They're gonna they're gonna
twist it just enough so that they're gonna be made
to look like the good guys and all this. They're

(01:56:17):
gonna be saying, like, look, guys, we've been working with
these things for a long time, and we didn't want
to tell you guys because we were protecting you. Okay,
we've known they're here. We've been working with them, you know,
to help our planet and to do that. They're gonna
spin this so that they become the good guys, and
that these extraterrestrials become the good guys. Now, I do

(01:56:40):
want to think say one thing. I do believe there
could be Ananaki that are working on our behalf too.
I'm not saying they're all evil, Okay, I'm not. I've
never like wanted that to be what anybody's getting from this.
They're like us, They it's obvious like they're very similar
to us because we are them, they're us. They have

(01:57:00):
the propensity for good and for bad. They when they're
in this realm, they're in the same polarity that we are.
So but I think what's going to happen is is
there's going to have to be more of us that
come forth with some of the good ones. Help about
the truth of all this because government has never been

(01:57:22):
in the right. Government has always been designed to control
and manipulate us. So I can guarantee you the ones
that they are aligned with is not for our good.
And you can see that by what they're doing to
us right now that they plan on dismissing a lot
of the world's population. If you get my meaning well, and.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Once again you look back at everything we've discussed, if
indeed this is the way it unfolded. We were created
as some sort of slave race, but somehow got a
divine spark that wasn't originally intended. We start to get
out of control, and through some means that is greater

(01:58:04):
than humanity, we get controlled again. And it seems cyclical,
and that right now there seems to be another new
awakening in humanity We're starting to become aware of a
lot of things that it seems like maybe we weren't
supposed to become aware of, and a lot of things
are starting to unfold now, so very interesting times we're

(01:58:26):
in with all of this. Man now to close out
any final words and also let the audience know about
everything that you're working with and where they can find
all your content.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
Awesome. First off, I just want to tell people, Look, guys,
I'm just a regular guy. I'm not a specialist. I'm
not a linguist. I'm not from some university or MIT
or something. I'm just a regular persons. I want everybody
to understand you can look this stuff up yourself. You
can do this research. That's all I've done. I've just
connected the dots. That's it. But what a positive message

(01:59:04):
I want to leave everybody on is this. Look, we
are all fractals of the divine. We're all fractals of
the source of all creation, and because of that, we
have dominion over this realm, over the quantum field. We
come from a higher vibratory realm than this. When we
are in that higher realm, we are directly connected into

(01:59:27):
all of the knowledge of the universe. We are super powerful.
We manifest instantaneously. Now in this realm. There are limits
in this realm, and there is a wait time between
for with manifestations. The work, however, all it takes is
five percent of us start planning the seeds and waking
humanity up, and that five percent always starts a revolution.

(01:59:49):
So we have the power to overcome all of this.
We are the saviors We've been waiting for. Religion has
tried to lie to you. Yesua tried to tell us
the truth. Don't you know, year gods, don't you know
you can cast out spirit or demons? Don't you know
you can heal? You can even do move mountains. You
can do greater than I Yes you. Al was trying

(02:00:09):
to teach us the truth, and his teachings got put
into a box and we all got dumbed down because
of that. You are great, You are wonderful, You are powerful.
You need to wake up and you need to take
your power, and you need to work together and wake
others up. It man, and and we're right what I'm doing.
If anybody wants to find me, I'm on YouTube, Exit

(02:00:30):
the Matrix, I'm on Facebook is my largest following one
hundred and forty k followers. They mess with me a lot,
but we were still growing there and getting the word out.
I'm on x and on Instagram also, and those are
all under Exit the Matrix. You can find me. And yeah,
I just I'm continuing, just to try to wake up

(02:00:52):
my brothers and sisters, because we are all brothers and sisters.
It doesn't matter what race or creed you come from,
what religious background, we are all the same. We're all
from the One, the true creator of all, the source
of all creation. I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Man, you're doing great work. Thank you so much. And Bob,
there's much more we could discuss. Love to have you
back on in the future. We'll definitely do this again.
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