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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Today.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm want to welcome Nicole Magic. She has a bachelor's
degree in biology chemistry and a master's in metaphysics.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
As well as.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Having experience as a financial advisor, she has created a
highly effective life transforming empowerment program, the Alchemy of Transformation,
which awakens your true potential by erasing limiting beliefs and
showing you how to live a life you deserve without
compromising who you are or what you love.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Nicole, welcome. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I'm doing well, Chris? How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm excellent. It's great to have you on. We're gonna
have a good time today. We're going to talk about
the many metaphysical and paranormal experiences you've had along your journey,
as well as how you're helping others to access their
true potential as a creator, become aware of how our
beliefs become reality, and much much more.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
But before we.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Get into any of this is your first time on,
let the audience know a little bit more about yourself,
your background, and what led you down your path.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well. My background is in biology and chemistry and worked
in chemistry for over sixteen years. I also have a
master's in metaphysics. I worked in finances well when I
left chemistry due to mercury poisoning. I've had four children
and they're all beautiful and most two of them are

(02:12):
all grown up. One is also just entering adulthood, and
I've got one one left here. I'm a mom who
is an Air Force mom when my kids is in
the Air Force, and just living my life the way
that I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Excellent. What really was it that brought you to your
awakening and down the current path that you're on. Was
there any specific events, anything profound that happened.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
I've seen auras, energy and spirits all my life. However,
when I had a near death experience in two thousand
and six. It just fast tracked and amplified everything, so
it completely changed where I was at and the trajectory
of where I was going.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
If possible, would you be able to tell us a
little bit about that experience and how it led to everything.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I was. I had left my job in
chemistry for the day and I was traveling down the
Massachusetts Turnpike. It was rush hour traffic because I got
out of work later than I usually did. And it
was funny because I remember all of these little details,
so just let me know if I get too much

(03:34):
in the weeds for you. But tool Stinkfist was playing
on the radio. I cranked it up because it's rush
hour traffic, and I just there was this static energy
that was in the air. There was all kinds of
weird stuff that was going on. There was like a
car that was smoking down in a ditch and some
people that had stopped to help the people that were

(03:56):
down there. So we were only going about thirty miles
an hour on the high It was right around the Framingham,
Massachusetts area, and then all of a sudden, I felt
like I was directed to look on the other side
of the highway and I saw this woman just swaying
from the impact, beautiful black, curly hair. I couldn't see

(04:16):
her face because her hair was in her face. She
had on this, I think, white buttoned down shirt, and
I looked at her door and it was all smashed in.
And I'm saying to myself, how did that even happen?
And where is the car that did that? Because it's
such a weird spot to be. You know, she's in
the high speed lane on her side and the car

(04:38):
is smashed in on her driver's side. So then I
was kind of directed to look through my windshield and
I saw a guy that had come up over the
Jersey barrier and was going to land right on my car,
and his face was completely contorted, screaming and panic and
all of the things. And I just was looking at

(05:01):
him and their eyes locked for a split second. Everything
was in this super slow motion, like a frame by
frame of slow motion, and in that instance where our
eyes met, I saw him land on my car, his
car topple over on top of mine, crushing the hood

(05:22):
of my car down onto my neck and my neck snapping,
and I'm dead. At that instance, my consciousness went into
this other space where I had these conversations with my kids,
who were really young at the time, so that these

(05:44):
entire conversations I had with them was kind of like
my big goodbye. And then when that was done, I
ended up just turning to this energy that was present
and saying, okay, I'm ready, and this piece, this massive
amount of love vibration came over me, and then everything

(06:04):
went black. Next thing I know, I'm high velocity through
this tunnel. Geometry is coming at me, lights coming at me,
and then I'm all of a sudden out on the
other side, and I'm holding my steering wheel of my car,
gasping for air like.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Dude like that.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And then in this space of my consciousness is now
coming back too, and I'm saying to myself, oh my god,
I almost just died, and looking ahead of me, no
cars in front of me, Oh my god, I almost
I should have been dead, and looking in my rear
view and there's no cars behind me, and then saying,
oh my god, am I could I be? Am I dead?

(06:49):
And I'm looking at the other side of the highway
and there's one loan car coming up. And then so
I'm sitting there wondering this thing and freaking out because
I can't even comprehend what's happening. Massachusetts Turnpike alone, no
cars on it, I'm during rush hour traffic is insane.
That doesn't happen. I'm wondering, am I actually dead? And

(07:13):
this is like one of those weird things that you
don't know that you're dead. And I ended up calling
my mom. So I called my mom and she said, oh,
my god, Nikki, I was just praying for you. Usually
I pray for you in the morning, but I had
this feeling that you needed prayer, so I was and
she was going on and on and on, and I

(07:34):
just said, Mom, can you just be quiet for a second.
Can you just tell me if I'm dead? And She's like, what,
You're not dead. You're talking to me on the phone.
What are you talking about. I'm like, well, I don't know.
I think it might be dead. And I was kind
of I joke about it, saying, you know, I'm looking
around on this highway saying, well, which side of the
highway am I on the Highway to Heaven or the
Highway to Hell? Right? So, and it was just craziness

(08:02):
because previous to this accident, which I think really happened.
But then I jumped dimensions. So my consciousness left that
scene when my next snapped and got crushed or whatever,
and I projected forward into another dimension because there's still
stuff for me to carry, so to bring this knowledge

(08:22):
of that life into the life that I ended up
going into another aspect of myself, another version of myself
in another dimension. That is because it is yeah, well,
there's just so much stuff, so please, if you have
a question, just go ahead and.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Hour I will, but go ahead and finish everything that
pertains to this one.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Okay. So coming into this dimension, I carried information that
will help me to progress, right, because in that other dimension,
I didn't want to live anymore. I was obsessed with
how I could die. I wanted out so bad I

(09:05):
was I had. I was super depressed because I had
undiagnosed postpartum depression that spiraled into more of a depression,
and then I would obsess about how I could die
any chance that I got during the day. But because
I had at the time three small little boys at home,

(09:26):
one still a baby, I would tell myself that these
kids need me around, they need me to be there
for them, and So my whole mantra throughout the day
was just hold on a little bit longer, just a
little bit longer, just a little bit longer. So I'd
go through this hole, Oh, I could die this way,

(09:48):
and then fantasize about the death or how I could
cause my death, and then immediately after but just hold
on a little bit longer, a little bit longer. Host
that experience, all of that depression was dissolved, completely gone,

(10:08):
a fervor for life, that love for life, and just
I wanted to experience whatever I wanted, whatever I wanted,
and create positive impact in the world. So it would
just cascaded into a whole bunch of visions, tapping into

(10:29):
energies and guides on the other side ets even as well,
and also just being in this space of wanting to
help people access their true potential, unlock their authenticity, and
just live the life that they want to live without
compromising who they are or what they love. So that's

(10:52):
pretty much it in a nutshell, and there's just so
much stuff that happened afterwards that.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, I want to get your insights into a few things,
especially when you said you think that you quantum leaped
into this new consciousness or this reality. And it goes
along the lines with the theory of multiverse, that there
are multiple we're living multiple existences at the same time.

(11:18):
And I used to give this consideration, but not as
much as until recently. I had a very profound plant
medicine experience, and I know it's nothing compared to a
near death experience, but I'm able to make contact with
my guides whenever I have these experiences. And I was
told that I had this desire to shift to a

(11:41):
better reality. And there's been a lot of work that
I've been doing to heal trauma and various things to
get myself to a better space through these plant medicine experiences,
and I actually felt like I was shifting into a
new reality. And I was told that I wouldn't be
able to really tell the difference other than it would

(12:02):
be a better reality.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
And the very next day, I.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Just started noticing these these little things that were just
occurring that were really propelling me forward, and these very
profound experiences that were changing my trajectory and occurring that
I'd never expected, and there were very good things and
they continue to this day. But do you think that

(12:27):
it's possible that this could happen to maybe all of us,
if we perceivably die in this reality, that we could
be transferred to another What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes, yes, yes, and yes yes, yes yes, So I
think that there are different levels of it. So if
I can explain some of that. I love that you
brought that up because I don't know if you could
see me, but just I want to leap out of
my skin right now because it's exactly a conversation that
I wanted to have on a podcast with somebody who

(13:01):
understands some little things there. So on that slight level
that you're talking about right where you have the opportunity
to make the changes you were making changes in your
life getting through some trauma and shifting your beliefs, because
that's what going through and releasing that trauma is is

(13:25):
you're shifting your belief away from what you assigned meaning
to that trauma before and now the growth that you
have through the release of that stuff, So you are
changing your mindset. And because everything, yes, thank you, Tesla,
is energy, vibration, frequency, all of the words that we use,

(13:48):
all of the feelings that we have, the emotions, all
of the stuff that's locked in our DNA and our
cells that are toxic to us and that are not
toxic to us. Everything has its own vibration frequency, the energy,
and when we amp it up and have it go higher,
great things happen. Greater things the more positive trajectory that

(14:09):
we're on. When we hold onto the negative stuff, we're
in a different space and we can just get stuck
and stay in this space too. When we choose to
move forward like you did, you are choosing to move
into a different reality because of that. So you're going

(14:30):
to shift into whatever reality that that new belief system allows.
So the more work that we do, the faster and
more we will shift. And the fun part is this,
when we look at the difference between that, it's yeah,
you may not even really notice a difference. If you're
paying attention, you're going to notice the things that you

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notice that, oh, this weird thing happened all of a sudden,
and this now is setting me in motion down this
path and it can kind of make you take a
curve way off into another space that is so beneficial
for you. When we look at the other extreme and

(15:12):
like way like big jumps, those near death experiences, catapult
us into a completely different space. Because what happens if
we die in one dimension, so we no longer exist there,
if our consciousness then can jump into another aspect of
us in another dimension. We're taking memories and codes and

(15:34):
information from that life to bring it into this new life.
So all of those adversities and pains and depression and
all the things that I experienced in that life that
I wasn't experiencing in this other life are now merging
into this space to help me connects with people that

(15:58):
are in that space and I have. And then there's
all this other stuff in the middle right where we
can have larger jumps if we do more intense work,
So you get to a bigger, you know, a higher
I call them diving boards. So the higher diving board
that we go on, the deeper the inner dive that

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we have. So when you dive intoto the water, you're
diving deeper every single time. And as you get good
at working that diving board, you then get the kahunas
to go up to the next higher one, right, And
so that's what happens. So the as we go into
so let's say you're in the middle of in that

(16:41):
space where it's a big enough shift that there's something
that you can identify that is different because this is
these are the things that would happen to me. I
didn't have the same memories as those around me because
I was carrying memories from a different version of me too,

(17:02):
so some wiped each other out as very confusing. And
that's where things that you don't really remember anymore and
they're super vague and it's like it's fuzzy, but I
can't pull it out because they're too conflicting that your
mind can't grasp one or the other. So they kind
of cancel each other out, and there's like this vagueness
of yeah, I remember being there, but I really don't

(17:23):
remember what happened. And then there's this sense of things
are also out of place. There was a picture on
the wall that was supposed to be somewhere else in
my mind, but no, according to everybody else around me,
that picture was placed there by me and has always
been there. There was a missing lamp that was never

(17:45):
in our possession, that kind of stuff. So you're gonna
see these weird things. And then you have those minor shifts,
where where did the heck this come from. I had
bought a brand new pocketbook from like Kate Spade or whatever,
use it a couple of times. I pretty much just
put a few things that I need when I'm going
somewhere and my wallet and I was going through it

(18:11):
to change it over into a different purse, and all
of a sudden, I have this weird Haitian coin in
my pocketbook. I don't know where that came from, how
it got there. Nobody knows where it came from or
how it got there. It's just a weird thing that
that's still a puzzle piece in that I'm carrying around

(18:34):
with me right now. So I don't know where what
that means. And maybe it will never even matter, because
I feel like there are things that don't matter, but
the big things that do matter you're going to remember,
you know, having watched a movie or something like that.
This just happens with me and my boyfriend where he

(18:56):
had to jump. We had to jump at the same
night and the next day. So he's telling me, well,
this is weird because this patch was always on this
side of my pants. I'm like, no, it wasn't. And
I'm like, oh, I know, what's happening. So then he's saying,
you know, we watched this movie together. We've tried to
watch this movie three times. I'm like, I've never seen
this movie before in my life. I've never even used

(19:16):
this app on my TV. I didn't even know that
app was there. And he's like, come on, we tried
to what. We had all these conversations and all this stuff,
and then he picked out something that was different in
the end, and he's like, I said something the same,
but then I did something different and he's like, well
that's different, and I go what he goes. The two
other times that we attempted to watch this movie, at
this exact moment, you said that thing right there, just

(19:39):
like you said, oh, come on, this is ridiculous or
something like that, and I continue to watch the movie
at that point. But in the other versions, it was
I picked up the remote and five minutes before a
movie was ending, I'm like, I'm not watching this, which
I never do. This version of me would never do.

(20:02):
There's I think we are constantly jumping, and the amount
of anomalies that we might see in that has to
do with how big of a jump that we do.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
So I have a couple of questions related to that. First,
do you believe that there are infinite versions of ourselves
and multiverses that we could be jumping to that are
just slightly different from each other? And second, could this
be happening? Well, you kind of answered already. Could this
be happening on a collective basis, but on a much

(20:40):
larger scale, like the entire planet is shifts at times?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, that's a great question, Thanks for asking that. I
think personally, I think that yes, we're doing this constantly.
And whether there's infinite versions of us or not, I'm
not sure where if there's infinite versions, but I kind
of feel like there are. There can be infinite versions

(21:09):
of us. However, when we attain what we're supposed to attain,
whatever that is. So I don't know. If we reach
the level at which we gain enough consciousness that we
transcend the three D realm where we're at here right,

(21:29):
then we move on and then maybe if we are
contracted to come back to Earth, that's where we incarnate
a completely different body, a different life. So that's where
the past lives in this three D realm come into play.
Otherwise we transcend and we move into a different dimension

(21:53):
because the energy is the energy. Can we merge with
that energy? So I think that we're kind of like
looking to for ways in which we can graduate the Earth,
and in that individualization, get enough individuals. We're also working collectively,

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which is why you'll feel certain energy is happening in
your life, and you'll talk to people and they're like,
oh my god, the same thing is happening to me.
That is your individual working on the same energy pattern
as the collective, whatever collective that you are in. So
there can be collectives that are in victim mode, so

(22:37):
the victim triangle, so they're working on that collective, and
then you've got other people that are working on this
growth process and you know, eradicating the trauma and those
things and moving into an ascended pathway and higher vibrational pathway,
and that collective that's working. And then as the whole
totality of everybody on Earth on this planet, what is

(23:01):
happening in the collective there is whatever is going to
take precedence is going to shift. So if we get
to a place where enough people can get into a
higher vibration, yes the whole planet can and will shift.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You think that this could be related to what we
are calling the Mandela effect. And also my awakening started
around twenty twelve, and there are many, many, many others
that for some reason this was a pivotal year for
them as well. Do you think there's something related to that?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, well the Mayans predicted that the twenty twelve shift right.
And then we as humans have this little brain. It
can't hold all of this information or understand it's so
ineffable when you hop into the other side and you

(24:02):
probably experience that with your with your shamanic journeying, where
you go on the other side and you understand things
and you come back and there's certain things that you forget,
but there's other things that you inside know but you
cannot explain them and with these words, with anything, because

(24:24):
it's of a different dimension. So it just it can't
exist in that sense here. So you're knowing is your knowing,
and that's your energetic knowing, not the body, not this
three D. So when we look at that whole thing,
is there there are these times where enough people come

(24:46):
into a certain awareness. Twenty twelve, remember these things y
two K and twenty twelve were huge shifting times because
why a big freaking deal was made over what Then
people said, oh, that was nothing because people like fantasized

(25:08):
and amplified that like fantastical thing that, Oh my god,
the world's gonna end. So when people are focused on that,
some people are saying, oh my god. So the victim
triangle people are like, oh my god, scrambling, they're gonna
you know, hoarding and whatever they're doing, and oh my god,
we're all going to die, so I need to And

(25:30):
then there's the other people that are like, Okay, well,
let's focus the energy on a positive note that if
we if this is this thing, then let's focus on
transcending and amplifying that positive energy aspect because we want
it to go vibrationally up. So enough people were made

(25:51):
conscious at the same time to then shift a certain way,
because now it's taking in the total collective consciousness of
all of those people that are putting a focus on that.
Whatever that focus is. This is exactly what happens inside
the body with your limiting beliefs or your conflicting beliefs,

(26:11):
positive and negative beliefs. Whichever one that you believe more
is going to win out. Whichever one has the most
energy that you put into it is going to win out.
Subconscious is a thousand more times more conscious. The subconscious
is one thousand times more powerful than the conscious. So
we can try to do something all we want. But

(26:34):
if our subconscious program says, nope, this is what we're doing,
guess what we're doing that. So we want to program
that's subconscious to be in that positive elevating higher diving
board because it's now going to work a thousand times
for you. Would you rather be doing the work of

(26:54):
what you do or would you rather have a thousand
of you doing that work for you? Right?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Now, Earlier you said that during your experience you made
contact with your guides and even extraterrestrials. Tell us a
little bit about that. Do you know what kind of
extraterrestrials and what their role is in connection to humanity?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, that's a big one too. So I think when
it comes to the extraterrestrials, there are certain affinities. Right,
So if we're we have certain connections or our guides,
we may have had our energy was once entwined with

(27:43):
a certain extraterrestrial energy or something like that I can't
claim to be an expert at this. I can just
feel what I feel from my own experience. I've seen reptilians,
I've seen I've seen extraterrestrials that haven't been categorized yet.

(28:10):
I've seen Arcturians and Payadians and that stuff. I've seen.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
UFOs are these are these during sleep experience? Actual experiences
are just waking. You've you've seen these entities.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
All different types. So I remembered when I was a kid,
I would I had a really high bed, so it
was right where the window was. It was like a
high twin bed, and I'd watch the stars and I
used to call it I'd watched the stars dance, and
it was they'd move in all these erratic formations and whatnot.

(28:53):
So and I felt like I was talking to people
that I knew, So it was like telepathically having conversations
that was in my wake. I would also do the
same thing, like playing out in the back. I would
be like I'd go through these like little tests with
my friends. You know, I was playing by myself, but

(29:14):
I was playing with my friends where I was having
to like do these tests and get certain lights to
light up in these codes and whatever in a times fashion.
So it was like, I don't know, some weird tests
and I would see after my near death experience, there

(29:42):
was definitely an amplification in those types of contacts because
a lot of them were in meditation or I would
have a spontaneous vision things like that. That's when I
saw most of that. One was when I had I

(30:04):
had a surgery that was performed just a quick in
and out tubule ligation. After I had four kids. I
was like, tie it up, and I went into this surgery.
I was the only tubal ligation that day. And when
they went to go put me out, I saw this
mantis being that I had seen only a handful of times,

(30:30):
and he was standing there and I always associated him
as like a doctor medical and he was standing there
and they were starting to put me out. So he's
standing there and I was like, what are you doing here?
And he said to me, obviously telepathically, he said, I'm
here to protect you. And I was like, protect me

(30:52):
from what? And then I was out, So I didn't
know what he was protecting me from. But then when
I was waking up, I was my body was still paralyzed.
From the anesthetics, so I could only hear. I couldn't move,
I couldn't open my eyes, I couldn't let anyone know
that I was awake. And two nurses were behind me.

(31:15):
One was walking up and the other one was on
my other side, and the one was walking to the
other saying, what the heck happened in there? All concerned,
and the other one just kind of went ough, difficult lication,
a lot of blood and like all this stuff, and

(31:35):
I'm saying in my head are they talking about me?
And then I remembered I was the only one, And
then I'm like, do tell keep commenced talking again, like,
tell me more right at that moment. Now it's all
wearing off. I'm starting to cough, I'm drawing attention to myself,
and then this shooting pain is going down my leg

(31:57):
and I grab at my leg. I'm like, oh, Like
she's like, are you in pain? I said, yeah, like
excruciating pain. Why is my leg in so much pain?
And she said, oh, it's probably the position that the
doctor had you in. And I'm saying, what this was
a laparoscopic surgery that doesn't need any positioning, so what

(32:20):
are you talking about? And then she just bumped me
with some morphine and knocked me right back out. Oh wow,
So I think maybe something happened where maybe something got nicked,
and then it was like an emergency situation that nobody
ever really told me about because nobody would talk about
it after that point. So I was protected.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
That's crazy, and that's why I do not enjoy going
to the doctors. Now I want to hear about your
experience in the blue light room.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Oh that so kind of like what I was talking about,
with these like little training things with the lights and
all this stuff. I felt like I went through this
period of these few years where during my sleep in
that astral realm, I felt like I was brought into

(33:23):
my so my consciousness was brought into these weird places
that were like missions and training, and it was like
I constantly had to go through the mission in some
kind of time setting. It was like an obstacle course
all the time. And one of these times, or a

(33:45):
couple of these times, it was in this like this
blue light room. It was this really weird, electric, otherworldly
blue color and the whole place was that that blue color.
And it was just like these missions that were and

(34:09):
information and downloads and just all this stuff. And I
feel like when I get downloads of things, there's a
lot of times where those downloads kind of like that
shamanic journey. You get this information, you carry it with you,
but then when you need it, it just unlocks and
you know what to do. So it felt a lot like.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
That right now. I want to get to a little
bit more of your experiences before we get to what
you're doing in your practice. You had a shared experience
with a friend regarding the recent surgery.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, in June of twenty twenty three, I had gallbladder surgery,
and that is there's still stuff unfolding about that. So
here's the stuff that has happened during the surgery and before.

(35:08):
So before the surgery, which this is really important too
for everybody that's out there when we talk about energy
frequency and vibration and mapping out our path and our
free will. So before my surgery, I had this really
like growing sensation that I was going to have a

(35:30):
choice to either stay out there or come back, and
I had to make that decision. So I just kept
it as well, we'll see what happens. I'm gonna be
in the space of non judgment on myself, no expectations
with myself or this reality and.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Go.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I also had this sensation that if I told anybody
that I had that choice, I'm now giving up my
one hundred percent free will to whomever I told, and
am now co creating with them about my life. Because

(36:17):
and this is that important part I was telling you,
is if I were to say that to you, Chris, Hey, Chris,
I'm going in for the surgery and I might not
come back. If you are really close to me and
you have a fear that I'm not going to come back,
you are going to be creating the reality of I'm

(36:39):
not coming back, which takes away. So depending on whose
subconscious is going to be stronger on it is going
to co create that. So if I went and I
told ten people, and this is what happens when people
are in victim triangle and they they go and they're
looking for certain attention and it's anative attention, they're co

(37:01):
creating that and so they're amplifying that negative stuff that
they're experiencing that they really don't want. So if I
were to go and tell ten people that are close
to me, I'm not coming. I don't know if I'm
coming back. They're gonna think according to their fears, and
they're going to co create with me according to that.

(37:22):
So the more people I tell, the less chance I
have of actually coming back if I want to come back.
So I didn't tell anyone. I didn't act any certain
different way. Even when I left that morning. I hugged
my daughter like I would always do, and not any differently,
even though for a split second I was like, maybe
I should just hug her a little extra, and I

(37:42):
was like, no, I'm not doing that, not disrupting this pattern.
So because I don't even know what I'm choosing yet.
So I went into this thing. And when I got
wheeled into the surgical room, I was watching the clock
because I was being moved in backwards, and I looked
above the door nine forty two turning nine forty three,

(38:05):
exactly as I'm walking through the being wheeled through the door.
When they positioned me and the gurney that I was on,
they said that they had to prep the table and
the robot arms and all that and get everything just situated.
At that moment, I went into trance mode and I

(38:27):
was telepathically speaking to a friend of mine saying, remember
these words, I have to come back. So there it was,
I made the decision that I was coming back. I
have to come back. There's a lot of things that
I still have left to do in this world, so
I have to come back. And then I was being

(38:48):
moved over to the table and prepped for the surgery,
and I went under. At that moment that I went under,
what I remembered next in that state was it was
kind of like this domino effect of I connected with
a whole bunch of people I know energy and it

(39:10):
was just like it was like I visited them really quickly,
and then I was in this light burst of energy,
huge downloads coming. I was seeing pictures of things, getting information,
and I was trying to hold on to whatever I could,
But it was just like that whole thing so much.
It was like if I took a picture book and
just fanned it in front of you, you'd get glimpses

(39:33):
of pieces of pictures, but not the whole entirety. But
if I said, hey, do you remember seeing that apple
in that woman's hand, You'd be like, oh, yeah, I
remember seeing that. You'd piece it in, So what happened.
There was all this information and downloads divine spirit. I

(39:54):
felt like just that love vibration again, and then I
also felt this other energy of somebody. I knew that
was from a past life that I was merging energies with.
And then I was trying to come back a little
while after that, so it was super familiar. I was

(40:17):
trying to come back after and I kept coming to
my body and I'd have the nurse sitting there saying
to me, Nicole, I need you to take a deep
breath right now. And then i'd, you know, i'd see
her and i'd hear her say that, and I'd go
okay in my head and I'd take this tiny, little
barly any breath, and then when I took that breath in,

(40:40):
I was saying to myself, oh yeah, I wasn't breathing,
And then as soon as I let the air out,
I was back out again. And I kept doing this,
and it felt like about seven times that this happened.
So each time I would come back and she's like, Nicole,
I need you to take a deep breath right now,

(41:01):
and I'd do it again. I'd say the same thing
to myself and be back out there, and then when
I finally came back, it took for It seemed like
it took forever. The nurses like, you've been here way
longer than anybody else. I was supposed to be in
and out of there in the matter of a few hours.

(41:22):
I was in there at seven am. I didn't get
out of there until three three point thirty somewhere around there.
After that whole thing, my friend had called me and
she said, Nicole, I don't know what you were doing
at ten oh eight. It was exactly ten oh eight,
and I felt your presence in my car. I was driving,

(41:44):
and I felt like you were having a difficult time
figuring out if you wanted to stay or come back.
And all I said to you was you have to
come back. You have a lot of unfinished business, so
get your ass back there. And then she said, I

(42:05):
felt your presence go the other people that I felt
in that domino effect. Later on, there were about seven
people that all told me afterwards, Yeah, before you went
in there, I didn't know if you were coming back
or not. I've had this really weird feeling that you know,

(42:28):
you may or may not come back. So had I
told those people that those were all the people that
I would have said something to beforehand. And then the
biggest part of this is I did connect with a
past life energy. And at the same time that I

(42:48):
was under my surgery and trying to come in and out,
in and out, in and out, my current boyfriend had
like a heart attack and he was dying, and he
was like, when we figured it out, it was all
the timing is exact, and all the mean milestone timing

(43:15):
coincides with what he was going through, and he was saying,
you're the one that brought me back. Somebody brought me back,
and it was you, Because in that whole light burst,
there was this other part that I kept saying, and
I couldn't make sense of it for a while until
that moment that we figured this thing out where I
kept saying I came back for you. I came back

(43:37):
for you. I came back for you, like you gotta
go back. I came back for you, you gotta go back.
It was so weird, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Do you think we should generally be careful of who
and what we share anything with if this could have
such an energetic effect on our reality, especially if we're
going through something life threatening, right.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, which is why like you become like the five
people you hang around with the most, right, you become
whatever your energy pattern is. And it's also I mean
this if you think about it, because this made me
really think about things according to the energy vibration and

(44:25):
frequency of our words, our thoughts, our emotions, all of
the things, and who we're hanging around with and their words,
their thoughts, their things. Because if you're going to hang
around with somebody who really doesn't care about your well being,
and you give a piece of information about yourself and

(44:45):
you know you're saying it to them, let's say they're
gossipy or whatever, and you tell them something that's a
personal piece of information and they're out there spreading it
around like you're this bad person because you feel this
way about whatever it is. Who cares. They're propagating negative
energy towards you. So now you're combating all of that energy.

(45:08):
You're compounding the negative energy that's working against you because
it's projected onto you, which keeps you locked. So it's
like you've got to do the extra work to release it.
But if we are hanging around with or if we're
confiding in and consulting with people that can raise your vibration,

(45:32):
can hold a nice safe space for you to be authentically,
you to be real and raw and just work some
things out. Then that is going to work in your
favor and help you transcend faster, transform and transmute negative
energy into positive energy much faster. So yes, I believe

(45:54):
that it is important, and not to a point where
you become parent that I can't tell anyone anything because
that's not true either. That's a fear and that's going
to propagate negativity. So it's yes, you can share and
be authentic. It's the way that you're presenting it within

(46:15):
your own self that propagates that. So if you're sharing
with somebody that is known to be victim mode, why
are you doing that? What is it that you need
to release to stop your behavior in giving your power
away to somebody like that?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
That makes sense. So on that note, tell us a
little bit about your practice and how you are helping
people to achieve their full potential.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I help people move from that resistance into that resilience,
and I do that by helping them identify what their
blind spots are, help them define what they truly want
and align it with their sole purpose, their values, their integrity,
and the limiting beliefs that holds them in that bondage

(47:03):
and allow them to reprogram the beliefs to supportive, successful
ones that will help them catapults where they want to go.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Right now, you use alchemy in your practices. Tell us
a little bit about how that's integrated.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, So when we're looking at alchemy, we're looking at
the inner alchemy of aligning the body, mind, soul. So
your physical body, your spiritual body, your mental and emotional bodies.
So bringing all that stuff into alignment to then shift
into that space so that you can do that, And

(47:42):
there's the alchemy. The alchemizing process is about this internal
stuff to release so you become more aware. So you
create more conscious awareness within yourself that allows you to
see the things that need to be changed. It allows
you to choose how much you want to change who
you want to become, and then implement the things that

(48:06):
will get you there. In that process, there is that
there's certain deaths that happen, And by deaths, I mean
you know there are certain ego that gets sluffed off,
limiting beliefs that gets sleffed off. The traumas that you
release and those types of things. It brings you into
a new version of yourself that allows for you to

(48:30):
re define your identity. So there's that existential crisis that
can happen. So depending on what level that you go
through depends on you know, how profound that little crisis
might be. So it really helps because that's usually the
spot where everybody gives up and says, oh my god,

(48:53):
this isn't working. But really that's the sweet spot that
is your transition into the blissful state and that spiritual enlightenment.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right now, talk a little bit about how you were
using cognitive behavioral therapy and NLP in your practice.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Okay, I do things from multiple angles in order to
help people move as quickly as possible with as much
ease as possible, and because it doesn't feel like it's
so much work when you're tackling it from different angles.
The CBT cognitive behavioral therapy stuff, those are more coping

(49:35):
mechanisms that as we're working on limiting beliefs in the
subconscious space, you are able to consciously access coping mechanisms
that can help you in various situations that normally trigger
you while we're still working on working those things out.
The NLP helps us, also from a conscious point, work

(49:58):
with the uncon subconscious to release traumas at rapid rates
that you don't have to live through every single thing,
moving into ways in which you can create new behavioral patterns.
So if we're working at releasing subconscious beliefs and restructuring
the conscious behaviors, that catapults you so much quicker and

(50:23):
makes everything easy. So it just feels like I take
a step and the floor rises to meet me. So
everything becomes in a flow, and the more flow that
you create in that regards the faster you're going to
manifest what you want. I was an analytical chemist. I
was all about results, data and getting the thing done.

(50:46):
So that's kind of how I operate in.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
This awesome Now, for the audience that may not be familiar,
could you tell us a little bit more about what
NLP is and how you're utilizing it.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Yes, neuralinguistic programming is a form of it's a science
that you're working with the subconscious. It's not hypnosis. A
lot of people go through NLP and hypnosis training, so
those always go hand in hand, and hypnosis isn't about,

(51:19):
you know, putting you out into a trance and you know,
making you do stupid things. NLP is about accessing your
subconscious and changing timelines, changing the things. So we're actually
creating those little jumps for you by erasing those traumatic experiences,

(51:42):
keeping the lessons that you learned along the way, but
erasing the trauma that's stuck and creating toxins.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Now, we talked a little bit earlier about how our
beliefs create our reality. You also help people make fear
their friend. Talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, so fear is if we really look at everything
again as energy frequency vibration, fear is just an alert system.
It's an energetic alarm that says, hey, we're not in
a comfort zone here, you know, danger, Will Robinson, We're
just in this space where caution is necessary. And if

(52:29):
we look at it just as data as a scientist
looks at data, and if we break it down, fear
is just telling us something. So a fear can can
be irrational, it can be an illusion, or it can
be a real caution that needs to be attended to.

(52:49):
Most of the time, we're just making this stuff up
because we assigned meaning to it, and we don't want
to be hurt emotionally physically. You know, if you get
bitten by a dog, people develop fear of all dogs
because I got bit by one once, Like you're gonna
like every dog is out to bite you. That's an
irrational fear. So if that fear could be taken away,

(53:12):
the same thing goes with anything that you've experienced in
life that you've assigned a negative meaning that you're not
going to move forward in what you want in your
success because of this old fear. But if we look
at it as making fear your friend, as the data
that it is, all it is is indicating something be acknowledged,

(53:32):
and if we acknowledge it, analyze it and decide does
it need to be released or is it something that
is generating an actual caution. So we can go through
life not feeling fear because we have an autonomic nervous
system that tells us when our bodies are in danger physically.

(53:58):
The fear comes into play emotionally and mentally based on
what we believe. So we need to just take a
look at it and see is this something that just
needs to be acknowledged and released or is this real
and most of the time acknowledged and release.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Now I want to talk a little bit about manifestation.
And oftentimes when you get into this, there's plenty of
people who check out, think it's too woo woo. I
think you're talking about some form of crazy magic. But
I've experienced this in my own life many, so many times,
and it still is a reoccurring phenomenon that things that

(54:40):
if I'm on the right path, if I am putting
my heart and creativity and energy into the things that
I feel are my sole mission and purpose, that I'm
I continually propelled to do better, and good things happen
in my life and I can manifest certain outcomes as
strange as it sounds. Tell us a little bit about

(55:02):
how you can, as you put it, demystify manifestation.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
So there are a lot of components that cause a manifestation,
and when these components come together, I liken it to
baking a cake, because we can have all the components.
You can have the eggs, the flour, the sugar, the butter, whatever,
and you can throw all that stuff in a bowl,

(55:29):
mash those eggs around with the shells, and you know,
not measure out stuff and you're not going to have
a cake, and you really want that cake, so you
need to know how to take the actions to implement
what you need to have that cake. Right. So when
we look at it, it's more along the line of

(55:53):
there's a creative element to it, so we've got to
have our creative juices flowing. We also need to visualize
and feel there's an experiential component to it, so we've
got to step into that. So if you want to,
like an actor steps into a role, they put the

(56:15):
clothes on, they put the accent on, they talk like
this person, they walk like this person, and it's not
them now, but it is them when they step into that.
So what we're doing is kind of like assuming the
role and holding that space. Because what are we doing
We're holding a new vibration. So we're in training this

(56:37):
physical body to that vibration so that it shifts into
that vibration. So if we do that properly, we're going
to create that in our lives and it will seem
like magic. It's very very easy. There are times when
I when I say, well, I want to be on
this podcast, and then all of a sudden, I'm getting

(56:58):
a call be on this pod. I'm like, all right, yay, right.
And when when people access their own creativity, it's creating
the balance between you know, all the doing that we
do and the busyness and accessing the creative elements. So
we need that male and female energy flowing in harmony.

(57:22):
We want to experience because we have to bring that
into the now, the physical. So bringing that, we also
have to stop our minds from being so busy. We
have to allow for thought to come through without thinking.
That's a tough one for people, and have that focus

(57:42):
and not concentration like I'm trying to like, there's a trip.
There's there's this element that is we're focusing but not focusing.
We're thinking, but we're not thinking. We're we're allowing thought
to pass through, but we're not actually thinking about them.

(58:03):
So there's this space of full presencing and experiencing. When
we bring it together in just the right proportions, you
have your cake and then you can eat it.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
That's a great way to put it. Now to close
out on for the last few minutes we have how
do you perceive this awakening that's occurring globally? Is it
just wishful thinking or a perception on our part those
that have become an aware that are having this evolution
of consciousness. Is it just wishful thinking that we're seeing

(58:41):
all our friends do it because they're in proximity of us,
or is it a larger phenomena that's really happening on
a global basis. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I think it's in order for it to happen on
the global basis, it definitely has to happen on the
individual basis, which is why we're seeing confirmation with the
people that we have around us one way or another.
So you're either awakening or you're not. So you're going
to see and live in those worlds, and they could
be separate. You can have overlapping circles like family for instance.

(59:16):
You may see some people in your family just being
in that space and other people evolving. So as all
the individuals come together, the collective will will move. So
I do think that this is something that is happening.
Some people will will liken it to their different cultural
and religious beliefs, like the rapture or things like that.

(59:42):
And I think as well, when we're looking on that
global scale, things are going to get weird. They're going
to be awkward. They're gonna you're not gonna be able
to explain some things. And remember, people are going to
go through that existential crisis of the inner alchemy, and
they're not going to understand why they can't comprehend what's happening,

(01:00:06):
like hey, where did this lamp come from? Or why
is the picture on the other side, or why is
the patch of on my pants on the right side
versus the left side? It's always on this side. No,
it's not. And when they're going to think that they're
going nuts a little bit, and it's okay, because you're

(01:00:27):
not going nuts. These are the things that are happening.
We're all jumping through these dimensions to reach where we're
collectively happening in a more harmonious vibration. So I think
that the two sections that if everybody doesn't, if this

(01:00:48):
flip isn't, if the switch is not flipped for everyone
to move forward, that there's going to be a split.
And those who are sending will move forward and those
who don't, I don't know what's happening with them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Before we close out, let the audience know how they
can find out about more about you and your services.
And anything else you have going on great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
My main website is just like my last name, M
A Jik. It's magiclc dot com. And my marketplace where
I have free resources and a bunch of different things
that you can check out is Nicolemagic dot com. And
if you want to schedule a call with me, check
out Nicolemagic dot as dot M.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
E perfect Nicole. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
This was great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I'd love to do this again in the future. And
until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We will
talk again tomorrow see ya. Then today I want to
welcome back to the show Phoenix Aurelius. He is a philosopher, alchemist, spajarist, agriculturist,
teacher and the founder of the Phoenix Aurelius Research Academy,

(01:02:02):
where he performs in depth research in a vast variety
of subjects for the development of Aurelian medicine and alchemiculture.
His focus since twenty fifteen has been to pioneer a
new field of medicine for the twenty first century and beyond,
which he calls Aurelian medicine. He also invented an entire

(01:02:23):
movement called alchemiculture, which offers a philosophical approach to human
existence designed for the modern world using alchemical principles. He
is also host of the alchemiculture podcast Phoenix Welcome Back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
How you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
I'm doing great, man, Thank you so much for having
me back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Thank you for coming back. I really enjoyed our last
conversation looking forward to this one. You're working with some
alchemical modalities that could possibly change the way we utilize medicine,
and you bring back ancient alchemical practices that have incredible
benefits for humanity and provide lost understandings of things like alchemy, magic, medicine,

(01:03:06):
and the metaphysical realms that hold our existence together. So
I can't wait to get into some of the things
you're working on. But first, it's been a while. Remind
the audience about yourself and what led you down your
path here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yeah, totally. So. Most people kind of know me for
my alchemical work, and admittedly that's a huge portion of
what I do. So basically I run the Phoenix Relis
Research Academy and I focus on two main things there.
One is trying to advance a field of spideric medicine,

(01:03:42):
which was invented by Paracelsis in the fifteen thirties and
was healing things like, yeah, epilepsy for sure, but plague
and syphilis and leprosy and all sorts of different types
of things. In the fifteen thirties. He was way ahead
of his time. Unfortunately, his ideas didn't hold up to
the scientific revolution during the discovery of things like oxygen

(01:04:05):
and other things as other elements, and they kind of
just threw the baby out with the bathwater and wanted
to distance themselves from alchemy all together during that time.
And so what I've done is I picked up a
whole lot of his material, in fact, all of it,
and have translated it into English and relied on other
translations too, And I'm reconstructing this in the twenty first

(01:04:26):
century with modern chemical terms and modern technologies and other
things like that, and trying to bring it back because
most people don't understand that the root of our pharmaceutical
technology actually goes back to Paracelsus himself. The entire fields
of toxicology, the entire fields of pharmaceutical chemistry, which is
known as eatro chemistry, all has its roots in Paracelsus,

(01:04:46):
just one dude, and they have completely bastardized the technologies
that he created. Everything is supposed to be coming from
a single material that is being worked on, and the
mineral are supposed to be coming from the thing that's
being worked on, not you know, bastardized petrochemical wastes that

(01:05:07):
are you know, synthesized and other things in order to
be able to elicit an effect. It's like when we
use nature, we get a much better effect, and he
has a very pure method of doing that. So bringing
that into the light of modern day is probably one
of my greatest passions. And because my work differs so
much from Paracelsus work by term you know, terminology and

(01:05:30):
technologies that have you know, come to rise since the
fifteen thirties and other things, we've decided to call this
Aurelian Spageeria, again, just naming it after myself, Phoenix Aurelia.
So so that's one thing, and then the other thing
that I focus on is alchemiculture, which is a broad
and very encompassing sociological application of alchemy that applies to

(01:05:55):
our entire culture as human beings. And so we focus
on areas like you know, politics and governance and the
ideas of like rulership and what are the alchemical principles
behind that, or how can we utilize alchemical principles in
order to create more better systems or systems that are

(01:06:16):
more perfect than what we have at present and just
kind of lead us to the next evolution. And so
we apply this to just about every aspect of human existence.
And I've been researching this for at least since twenty twelve.
But it's also a huge passion of mine and something
that I love to teach about. So that's those are
the main things that I do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
I think a good place to start would be a
little refresher on the difference between alchemy and the modern
practice of how we produce pharmaceuticals in modern medicine.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Sure. Yeah, So again, I want to address this from
the perspective of like Paracelsian alchemy, because revolutionized alchemy and
pretty much all alchemical practices since that time have change.
If we look at it before Paracelsus, there were entirely
different theories and cosmologies extending all the way back to

(01:07:13):
far ancient Egypt that we have written records of at
any rate. So with that being said, yeah, alchemy's whole
basis when you look at it as objectively as possible
is that everything is in a constant state of transformation.
Modern science. You know, in science classes we learned that
energy is neither created nor destroyed, that energy is only

(01:07:35):
changing form. And if we were to say change form,
another word that we can use is transform. So if
energy is constantly transforming and nothing stays the same, then
and alchemy is the art and science of transformation, then
kind of understanding alchemy gives us an understanding to everything
and how it's working, where it's at now, where it

(01:07:57):
was coming from, and where it's going. When we apply
this to medicine, we have to take a look at
the evolution of the natural material or materials that we're
trying to elicit a medicinal response from. And the idea
within the alchemical paradigm since the time of Pythagoras has
essentially been, at least in the West, has been that

(01:08:21):
we as human beings are kind of the pinnacle of
creation here on earth because everything else as you go
down the chain is more pure in its essence, but
it's less complex in its constitution. So like if we
take a look at a metal, metals are literally only

(01:08:41):
just one style of atom, and there's usually a couple
of different atoms. You know, they're not usually just monoatomic.
They're like diatomic, triatomic, or multi atomic, we can say.
And when you take a look at their crystalline patterns,
they have very specific crystalline patterns to that metal based
on the way that the metal forms. But at its basis,

(01:09:05):
it's just one atom. It's just one type of intelligence,
one elemental form of intelligence, and so they're very very pure,
but they're not very complex. Eventually, metals get acted upon
by say, you know, oxygen, and they turn into oxides,
or they get acted upon by carbon and they turn
into carbonates or nitrogen get you know, turned into nitrates

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or nitrites, and so on and so forth. In those
form minerals. Minerals now have two of these atomic forms
in them, and so they're still very pure, but they're
less pure than metals. And then when you go into
the vegetable kingdom, and then the animal kingdom, and then
eventually into the human kingdom, we continue to see that
we are less and less pure the more evolved the

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life form is, but it's far more complex, with human
beings being the most complex. But because we're at that complexity,
that vast complexity. We are composed of all of nature,
and we contain all of nature within us. We need
with the exception of maybe mercury, like we need lead,
we need arsenic, We need all of these substances inside

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of us in addition to you know, magnesium and calcium
and huge supplies, and you know chloride and sodium and
all of these other different types of elements and minerals.
And we eat the plants, and we eat the animals,
and we eat you know, all of the other things
in nature. They are a part of us. Their intelligence
is contained within us. And the idea really behind alchemical

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healing is that each of those things in nature has
a certain elemental balance to them, a certain type of
composition of fire, air, water, and earth. Is the way
it was conceived of before the time of Paracelsus. After Paracelsus,
he said that everything has a balance of sulfur, mercury,
and salt, or soul, spirit and body, and that we

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can draw upon all of these other things from nature
that we're posed of and be able to purify through
the alchemical arts, their soul, their spirit, and their body,
or these four elemental forms, depending on you know, which
branch of alchemy and that you practice and what type
of philosophies you want to use, but that we are

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able to call upon these things and use the alchemical
arts to purify them in order to bring the body
back into balance. Now this stands at a vast opposition
to the pharmaceutical route, which is to say that the
body is just biomechanical. It's a very Newtonian standpoint, and
it's like cause and effect. And if you have this thing,

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then this thing has the chemicals that you might be lacking,
or can trick the body into thinking that it has
these things, et cetera. And you begin to just create
substances to try and create a biomechanical change in the organism.
There's no spirit involved, there's no soul in. In fact,

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what ends up happening a lot of times is that
anytime that you synthesize something, the moment that something is
in flux. And this is something that I have been
able to see and I can demonstrate to people in
the laboratory when something is in flux, like if we
take alcohol, we apply heat that turns that thing into
flux because the alcohol that was liquid is now able
to become as buoyant as air and rise as a vapor,

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and in that moment that it is rising from its
vapor estate or condensing back into a liquid, either of
those points, it is highly impressionable to the thoughts, to
the emotions, to cosmic forces, which you know people are like, oh,
cosmic forces, but literally, I'm talking about electromagnetic signatures here

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that are present from the stars that are reaching us
if we can see their light, and we're limited to
the electromagnetic spectrum with our vision. Even there are all
sorts of different types of forces that are at play
all the time, and these forces are able to imbue
themselves into things that are in a state of flux.
And when the phontutical industry hires people who are they

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don't care if the technician is having a day or
doing this or what. They're just forcing chemical flux to
happen and changing and synthesizing substances. And when you do that,
those emotions, those thoughts, those frequencies, those entities quite literally
are able to make their way in there. And so

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we see the highest instance actually of possession from people
who are taking pharmaceutical medications, largely because of the environment
that they're created in and the lack of awareness of
these spiritual and soul based types of frequencies and how
they interact with matter. So alchemy is a very multi

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dimensional and holistic way of approaching health and wellness, utilizing
the soul, the spirit, and the body in these different
forms of consciousness of all materials nature. Whereas when we're
just doing pharmaceuticals, we're just trying to do elicit a
biomechanical approach, and it's oftentimes bastardized missing from my perspective

(01:14:11):
two thirds of the important equation of our entire humanity
and reality.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Now, you said something very intriguing that I want to
dive deeper into is that things that we're working with,
whether it's scientific or medical or al chemical, things that
we're creating ourselves, our state of mind, our state of
emotion is extremely important to be a good one whenever

(01:14:37):
we're working with this, because we can release some of
these energies or like you say, entities into the product
that we are trying to create.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's you know, I think that if there's
just like one really important thing that I could impart
onto people, it's that thing, like you know, and all
of us actually have experience with this, we just don't
like tie it into everything else. We're just not putting
two and two together. Like when you were sick, Mom

(01:15:08):
may have made you some chicken soup, and when she
did that, she wasn't just like completely stressed and pissed
and whatever else. She's thinking about your wellness and trying
to get you. It's like it's a sacrifice of love
that is going into that chicken soup. Now, whether the
chicken itself was sourced really well or can cause cellular

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inflammation or whatever else takes background, it's that's not the
precedent here, because it's the energy that went into the
thing that is actually healing us on some degree, regardless
of the physical materials that actually go into it. Because
again we're multi dimensional beings. You know, we have a
spiritual body, We have this causal body, We have an

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astral body that is kind of composed of the mental
and the emotional, and then we have an etheric body,
which is purely electromagnetic inner face. It's a piezoelectric interface
that exists throughout our entire fascia inside of our network,
our physiological network. And then we have a physical body
that is just you know, atoms and molecules and tissues

(01:16:13):
and cells and so on and so you know, organs
and so on and so forth. And physical stuff affects
the physical body. Emotional stuff affects the emotional portion of
our astral body, and the thoughts affect the astral the
mental part of our astral body. The geometries, the crystallizations,
the coherence, the cause and effect, those affect the causal

(01:16:34):
plane and the sense of oneness and our connection back
to the source of all creation. However we want to
conceive of that. There's no right or wrong way. There's
myriad ways of looking and philosophizing about that. But our
connection to that is what ties us back into spiritual
well being. And so when Mom is making these things,

(01:16:55):
she has the emotional resonance of God, I'd hate my
baby to be sick, you know, and the mental concept
of I need my baby to be well, and the physical,
you know, healing stuff that goes in it. You know,
you all of your carrots that have carotenoids and beta
carotene and stuff like that, and you know celery that
has these things that reduce cellular inflammation, the bone broth

(01:17:21):
that is from boiling the whole chicken down, if you know,
if she wasn't just making it with chicken breast, maybe
even the homemade noodles and the love that goes into
that and all these other things. So it's it's approaching
us on this multi dimensional level. And so cooking and
you know, kitchen witchery is oftentimes the way that I
discuss and teach about that from a kind of a

(01:17:43):
more entertaining view. These days, those types of things are
really critical because we have the ability to imbue things
during the state of that boil, that flux again that
that material is going through. Same thing with making infusions
and teas and whatever else. But when we engage in alchemy,
we're not just eliciting a small change, where eliciting a
whole progressive series of changes, so that the material that

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we started with is no longer even recognizable in its
energetics or its capacity, because we've extracted the soul, the spirit,
and the body of these materials and perfected each of
those and then recombined it back together. So at its
lowest sense, it is now an exalted form of what
it initially was, and at its greatest potential, it is

(01:18:29):
entirely transformed to such a degree that you can't even
tell that it would have come from that initial material.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
So, now going deeper into the materials that you're utilizing,
you mentioned several times the spirit of this material, and
the more collectively that we understand about the nature reality,
the more we understand that everything has a level of consciousness.
Maybe you could give us some examples of that. I mean,

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it's pretty obvious with the animal kingdom with humans that
there's consciousness there, But even with plants and minerals, is
that right?

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely absolutely, So you know, for instance, you know,
like you, like you mentioned, with plants and animals, we
can really tell that there is sentience there, and we
would refer to that form of consciousness as the sulfur
of the material, the soul of the material. And that

(01:19:27):
soul really has two different grades or two different forms.
There's one that's called the volatile sulfur, volatile soul, and
in modern metaphysics this would kind of be referred to
as the higher self. It is the aspect of us
that perhaps exists in the subconscious and unconscious components that
just gives us our talents and our interests like why

(01:19:47):
are you interested in the occult and in metaphysics and
things like like. You may not necessarily have a conscious
answer for that, it's just an inherent talent. It's an
inherent interest that you have. And these are the things
that are constantly guiding us, and they are oftentimes tied
into the causal plane as the purpose of our existence.

(01:20:08):
And we all have this higher aspect of us that
if we're able to align our bodies and our lower sulfur,
our fixed sulfur is what we call that together and
animate all of these things with our spiritual energy, our disciplines,
our actions on the day to day, then we will
be able to have that effect that we were designed

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to be able to have throughout the course of our lifetime.
The fixed sulfur is more of like the color of
our skin, the tone of our voice, the color of
our hair and our eyes, the way that we dress,
the way that we come across, the types of words
that we use to express ourselves. See these that are
not necessarily physical things, but they can be physical things.

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They're tied into our physicality, but they shape how people
perceive us, how we perceive ourself, and how we express ourselves,
and for the most part, these things are largely conscious,
and so we have these two different aspects of our
soul that are constantly dynamically at play, and our emotions.

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The way that we express our emotions and things like that.
All of that is kind of part of the soul
resonance of a species. When we take a look at
vegetable materials, we see that same thing, but just in
a way that is not as relatable from the human
experience as it is when we look at animals. Animals
and humans share a lot of similarities in those ways.

(01:21:35):
If we're hungry and people get in the way between
us and our food, we might get angry, right, we
might get pissed, we might attack like that's a very
animalistic type of behavior that carries over into the human realm.
With plants, they look at things a whole lot differently,
especially with trees. They're all about the sharing of resources
and the benefit of the entirety of the plant kingdom

(01:21:57):
as a whole that are living there. And they work
so symbiotically with fungi and bacteria and arcaea and these
other different forms of microbiological life forms that they're much
more universally tied in. We could argue that they have
a greater deal of spirit within them as a result
of that. And of course, as you know, they're taking
our exhalations of carbon dioxide and carbon based things and

(01:22:21):
they're constantly breathing that in and transforming it back into oxygen.
They're literally spiriting the entire earth for us. Trees are
and so with trees especially, we can see that they
have very particular signatures in their fixed sulfur, Like what
differentiates an oak tree from a hawthorn tree, Like, well,

(01:22:41):
we can look at the bark, we can look at
the leaves and their shape, we can look at how
tall they grow, what types of fruits that they might bear,
so on and so forth, and there are clearly differences there.
So they too have a fixed sulfur, and they also
have a volatile sulfur, which is to say, like a
purpose for their existence, and their purpose is totally different too.

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An oak tree is meant to be the pinnacle of
the expression of healthy forests. Old and advanced forested lands
will eventually be oaks. Primarily they'll be oak, they'll be maple,
they'll be hard woods. Younger forests are going to have
much softer wood trees that are not so much of
the pinnacle, but they're still very important, but they're like

(01:23:23):
evergreen trees like pines and cedars and junipers and things
like that. And so you can see that there is
an evolution of the entire ecology from a forestry type
of perspective. And as that whole land mass, that whole
forested area kind of goes through its evolutions, eventually its
crowning aspect will be the oaks. And oaks are amazing

(01:23:45):
because they actually attract lightning to them, and they utilize
that lightning that strikes them, they don't get too terribly damaged.
They're able to put all of that electricity into the
ground in order to be able to animate the the
ground and to provide nitrogen and healthy effects. And then
from there they utilize our friends the fungi to be

(01:24:07):
able to spread that through entire forested networks and areas
of ecology that are surrounding as well. So you know,
the plants that definitely have this. And when we take
a look at like the difference between say even members
of the same family like lemon balm and say spearmint,
they taste different they might look different. They have some

(01:24:27):
certain characteristic similarities, but they have entirely different healing properties
to them as well, And so their personalities, their talents,
their interests are different, and their interests are different based
on the areas that they grow in, what they want
to grow in, and what the prime conditions for their
growth are, and their interests. Their talents are also different

(01:24:50):
in like the way that they smell and how they interact.
You know, part of the reason there's all this research
these days, Chris about you know, if you go out
into the forest, you're less like to be depressed because
the forest has all of these chemicals that are working
on you. Well, part of that actually is the volatile
aromatic compounds you know, essential oils or terpenes however you

(01:25:10):
want to call that, and other VOCs that are vaces
that are evaporating constantly from the plants just by ambiental
heat and humidity, and they are entering into the atmosphere.
Now we are smelling those and identifying them chemically, but
they are to the plants. Those are their hormones and

(01:25:32):
their pheromones, and they are using those to connect with
other plants and other things in that network. And when
we interface with those things, they actually we breathe them in,
they get into our bloodstream, and then they actually change us.
They change our entire psychological and physiological composition. Essential oils,

(01:25:53):
there's a lot of research showing how they impact the
limbic brain, which ties us into our memories and our traumas,
and lots of other things like that. So the plants
definitely have their own expressions and so to minerals. Minerals
are even more dense than plants are, but they also
have their own spirits and they have their own purposes.

(01:26:14):
Like for instance, gold has an untarnishable capacity to it,
like you can soak it in water for as long
as you want, you can put it into most solvents.
Even there's only a few solvents that will actually dissolve gold,
one of those being metallic mercury, another one being called
aqua regia. There's not many others. There is also like antimony, pentachloride,

(01:26:35):
and a couple of others that are created that can
dissolve gold, but there's not that many of them. And
then you know silver, on the other hand, which is
also a beautiful and noble metal. When we stick that
out in the rain or expose it to oxygen, it
starts to tarnish and it changes. So they also have
particular talents where they can be used and places where

(01:26:57):
maybe they're not so great to be used. And they
also have specific interests like where they grow and under
what geological conditions they're going to grow, and whether they're
going to make veins of something or whether they're going
to crystallize with another type of formation. You'll oftentimes find
lead and quartz and gold all in the same types

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of areas because they like the same types of conditions.
And you know that lead is very heavy and it
can just be melted with a basic lighter or a
candle heat. You don't need a whole lot to be
able to refine lead, whereas gold definitely requires a lot
more skill and higher temperature capacity and better smelting technologies

(01:27:43):
than say lead or mercury or tin might. So they
definitely have their own talents and their own interests. We
just have to be able to see and perceive that
from the perspective of the material itself as we can
observe it from our state of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I think there's a great segue into alchemiculture and what
this is tell us all about this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Yeah, So alchemic culture. It's basically taking the universal concepts
of alchemy and being able to apply it to human civilization,
human culture, and creating a culture of alchemists. So alchemic culture,
and the idea was really for me. It started off agriculturally,

(01:28:30):
because when we take a look at say permaculture principles,
we can see that permaculture isn't just an agricultural philosophy.
It's something that is more of a philosophy that can
be applied to a wide scope of human interactions where
we're creating closed loop systems. If I had to like
really summarize what permaculture is, it would be like creating

(01:28:53):
closed loop systems so that cause and effect or supply
and demand are all innertied into the production of what
we're doing from just about any angle, whether that's you know,
I need this type of material from my garden, say
some sort of fertilizer. Well, where do you get that fertilizer. Well,

(01:29:14):
if it can grow in plants, and plants can bioaccumulate
the material that you need, then you can grow that
on your own land. And now that material that you
have can be grown as part of the solution to
what you actually need, and so you're closing the loop.
You're stopping the necessity to import another material from another location.

(01:29:35):
And long before permaculture was ever a phrase or a thing,
Rudolph Steiner, in his Agricultural Lessons, wrote a lot about this,
and that has kind of come to be known as biodynamics.
And so my interest in agriculture started with biodynamics, and
then eventually, you know, I became savvy into permaculture. And
so all of these things were truths that I was

(01:29:57):
seeing play out inside of my my agricultural space. And
that's kind of where the concept was, is, Oh, what
if I utilize alchemy to be able to exalt the
types of fertilizers that I'm making that I'm growing on
my own land, Or what if I utilize alchemical principles
to actually grow my garden and to take care of it,

(01:30:19):
like at the end of every season, instead of just
allowing everything to decompose, what if I selectively take the
things like the great branches, for instance, that are much
more woody and take a long time to decompose, or
you know, some of the trees that I have to
compass like a Chinese elm, for instance, which is considered
an invasive thing. Those have a ton of cellulose and

(01:30:40):
a ton of fiber and things that don't decompose so
terribly easily inside of the soil. So what if I
take those and instead of applying the process of fermentation
and allowing them to break down by anaerobic microbes inside
of the soil, what if I take those in a
calcine those instead and get their ash and you a

(01:31:01):
liquid ad you know, take that ash and utilize the
alchemical process like be able to dissolve that ash inside
of water and to purify that ash and get the
potassium minerals that are locked up inside of there as
pure form and homeopathically disperse that over the entire garden area.
What happens to the overall ecology as I do that?

(01:31:23):
And what I started to notice a season after season
was that my ecological conditions in that garden space were changing.
What I was capable of growing started to change, and
this would create little microclimates within the garden itself, like
micro microclimates where suddenly I was able to, in the
hot deserts of Utah be able to grow watermelons in

(01:31:46):
certain areas of my garden effortlessly because the conditions for
that particular growth and expression of plant consciousness was ideally prime.
I had transformed the soil from wanting to row natural
sagebrush and say desert yarrow and you know all these
other things to now being able to grow plants that

(01:32:08):
would thrive in places, say like Georgia or Louisiana or Florida. Right,
So it was just an evolution. That's kind of where
the inspiration came from. And as I continued to apply
that to other systems, I was taking a look at
our sociology and I remember that, you know, there were
a ton of revolts in Egypt back here roughly two

(01:32:31):
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine type of timeframe,
and they were starting things on fire, and there was
all this revolt and I was like, ah, Anger, like
this this relates to the process of calcination. It's like
being angry about something to the point where you're so
fed up that you have no other way to deal
with the material besides instilling or creating a crisis. And

(01:32:53):
when you create crisis, crisis ultimately leads the material to
some sort of change, and if you know how to
go it properly with al chemical principles, you can guide
it to an exalted form of whatever you know x
material was that caused the crisis in the first place,
or you can transform it entirely by having it now

(01:33:15):
operate on a whole new octave and leaving the technology,
the ideas, the philosophies, whatever it was that instilled that
crisis in the first place behind and operating on a
whole new framework of mental capacity and of philosophy around something.
And so I started taking a look at this and
applying it to philosophy and to human civilization, realizing like, wow,

(01:33:37):
this is a really really potent concept. And over time
I kind of started creating principles of the major seven
areas of humanity that we can transform if we apply
al chemical principles to it and consciously instill a crisis,
not the way that you know, like create the crisis

(01:33:58):
and manufacture the solution. And that's not what I'm talking
about that is used for deliberate control of rather uninformed masks,
but instead on a personal level, and that resonates up
to the sociological you know, it's like on your personal
level you change things, other people are naturally going to

(01:34:19):
observe what you have been able to change, what you've
done for yourself, They're going to want a piece of that.
They'll ultimately ask you, like, what are you doing that
helped you do that? You become an inspiration not because
you're seeking to be one, just because what you did
itself speaks for itself and that inspires your neighborhood or
your family or whatever else to want to do a

(01:34:40):
similar thing. And so this transformational effect is almost kind
of contagious. And if we start on personal level and
fix these aspects of ourselves, namely our traumas that are
holding us back and keeping us in lower you know,
I hate to sound too metaphysically cliche these days, but
holding us into lower vibration states of consciousness, then it

(01:35:04):
creates this cascade effect to our external surroundings. And once
our personal or our personal traumas are kind of dealt with,
then we all have a whole lot more energy and
effort to think about the next step of our humanity,
which is is my community well taken care of? And
what is my role inside of my community? You know,

(01:35:24):
we're not just struggling to get by day by day,
we have the energy to think about larger and more
complex things. And once we handle that, then it's like, oh,
my community is really well taken care of. How do
I think about my district level, how do I think
about my you know, state level, how do I think
about my country level, my continent level, my you know,

(01:35:45):
hemispheric level, my global level, whatever. And so we're able
to constantly move forward, But it all starts with that
kind of personal change. And so the aspects of our
thinking and our rationale and our trauma that prevent those
larger pictures from being even thought about or philosophized about,

(01:36:07):
or or worked with in any real and tangible way,
they start on that personal level. And if we can
utilize alchemy to be able to transform or at least
exalt our potential, then we have an amazing opportunity in
front of us. And so that's kind of my contribution
to how I would like to influence the world or

(01:36:30):
change the world, or you know, my own my own
solution to it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
I suppose, well, I would love to hear those seven
methods that you were briefly discussing a minute ago.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
Yeah, so I don't have them all right off the
top of my head. Let me just try and pull
up my website and see what all we have here. Okay,
here they are. So the seven core aspects of humanity
that I've drafted out. The first one and possibly the

(01:37:02):
most important one because it connects us into our spiritual selves.
Again at the top of our multi dimensional kind of
chain of command is human cosmology and philosophy. How do
we view and how do we philosophize about the world
around us and what our role in it is? And
you know, so many people for ages now, especially since

(01:37:25):
the advent of the Enlightenment period of European history, we're
always asking like, well, what is the purpose of humanity?
That's something that we can't really answer because that's an
individual thing. What is the purpose of each individual's life?
That again cannot actively be answered, that has to be

(01:37:47):
subjectively answered by the individual, And so the individual has
to be able to identify what their life is, what
the purpose of their life really is, and that is
I think the most core aspect of change in thinking
that we could possibly wrap our minds around. And if

(01:38:08):
we are subscribing to self limiting beliefs and oftentimes you know,
dare I say religious beliefs that have been manufactured for us,
Then we are limiting ourselves massively because a thought is very,
very malleable. We can take thoughts and ideas and they're
malleable and they're subject to change with experience. Right, So

(01:38:30):
you know we're not locking something in. But if I
take a look at a table and I say, well,
that table is a turtle, and I say, I believe
that it's a turtle because there's four legs to it
and it has a hard back, and turtles have four
legs and they have a hard back. I can force myself,
based on limited evidence and experience, to believe that that

(01:38:51):
table is a turtle. But if I just have an
idea about it, then I can keep exploring and I
can keep examining because there's no sense of emotional certainty
about what I know nothing about, which is really what
a belief is a sense of emotional certainty around something
we know very little about. So people might believe there

(01:39:13):
is a higher power, they might believe that there is
an afterlife, they might believe all these things. Now, whether
that's true or not is not the point. The concept is,
if you tie yourself into a belief. You're only allowed
to go so far with that belief before it shatters
your consciousness at a certain point, you know, a certain point.
If you break through your own beliefs, you're going to

(01:39:37):
have some sort of psychological split because you have placed
so much emotional certainty into that thing that you knew
very little about that. Once you have a different experience,
it has to like all of your emotions get questioned
and it can create some psychosis. Actually, but with thoughts
and ideas, we don't have that. The mental plane is

(01:39:58):
very very flexible way that we can go up to
that thing that we thought was a turtle and we
can say, well, you know what, this doesn't actually eat
and it's not moving even slowly, so this is probably
not a turtle. And oh, actually it's made out of
wood or it's made out of metal, and you know,
all these other turtles are not made out of that.
And so we can have experiences that are constantly changing

(01:40:21):
and shaping our ideas and our thoughts around something without
having to place an emotional sense of certainty around it.
And so I've often been quoted as saying that beliefs
are really only good for the insane. Because we can
have a lot of ideas about things and we don't
need to know that something is that particular way, especially

(01:40:45):
on limited series of data. The more data that we collect,
the better understanding about something that we will have. And
we have to remember that it's all about perspective, right.
We can only see things from our own perspective, from
our own limited sense of self experience, and so as
we listen to others about their data points, then we

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can gain a more comprehensive view about something. And when
we take this into the human sociological context of our
philosophies and cosmologies, there have been so many beautiful philosophies
and so many beautiful cosmologies that have existed and continue
to exist in some that are being created in this

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very moment, that if we look at all of these
and try and find the lowest common denominators between them,
then we can say it stands to reason, based on
our experience at present, that these are the things that
are the most perennial to the human experience. Let us
focus on these things. We might have beliefs still, if
we want them, that's fine, but let us put those

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in the background and focus on these core things that
are the most universal, the most perennial to our human experience.
And so that's where the apple cation of alchemy needs
to be applied on a personal level to first get
through our beliefs. And the beliefs that are the most
hazardous are the self limiting beliefs, right, and those form

(01:42:12):
our cosmology and our philosophy as individuals massively, and so
if we can transform those, then that gives us an
idea to look at the next step is like, what
does my surrounding community mostly look at or believe or whatever.
And again, we can roast those and break those down
and transform all of those types of things, and it
just keeps going up. So that's the first one. The

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next one that impacts us all is law and justice, right,
like what is law? There's all these courses that are
coming out that it's like, there's natural law, and natural
law does this, and they're basing it on a lot
of this is like tying back to hermetics, but not

(01:42:54):
sound hermetics. They're basing it on the Kabalion of all
things that could possibly be considered hermetic God. I hate
the Kabalian for this because it posted itself in the
in the nineteenth century and early twentieth century occult revival.
It posted itself is like laws, you know, hermetic laws.

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There's no such thing as hermetic laws like that, Like
the law of gender is not an actual law. There
are lots of things that do not have gender. There
are lots of things in existence that aren't just human
that don't abide by those laws, So those can't be laws. Laws,
objectively speaking, are things that are universal and perennial to

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all forms of creation. And so when we are taking
a look at human laws, we have to realize that
if we were only to follow the laws that apply
to all of creation, that's not enough for our sociological
or individual needs, because there needs to be some form
of subjective protection for people who are, say, at risk

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of being violated in one way or the other. And
violation is part of what happens in nature, right, Like
do you think the gazelle just asks to be taken
down by the lion? Like, it's not like that. There's
a certain thing that says if you're weak, if you're young,
if you are less physiologically adapt than the predator, then

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the predator will be able to devour you. That is
a lot. But do we demand that everybody in our
human society is just so strong that they can't be
subject to predators. I mean, that's an ideal, but is
that realistic. My answer for that is no, it's not.
So we do have to be able to subjectively create laws,
and that's a whole purpose for the invention of laws

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at its root. Now that's not saying all of the
adulterations that have happened with law as a result, because
those are adulterations of the legal system. But law is
very important and justice, justice as a perennial virtue to humanity,
is very important. And justice needs to be balanced, just

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like it is in Cabalah and the Tree of Life.
It's balanced between mercy on one hand and severity on
the other hand. And too much severity without mercy is cruelty,
and too much mercy without severity is weakness. And somewhere
between there exists the sense of justice. And this is

(01:45:31):
where the concept of let the punishment fit the crime
really needs to be taken deeply into consideration. But I think,
you know, there was an idea and I learned this.
I don't know how our legal system got so far
away but I learned that very from a very young age,
that our rights as individuals end when we and our actions,

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our thoughts, our behaviors, et cetera, impose upon the rights
of are individuals. And if we could get back to
this kind of perennial basis, then we would be able
to sort out a lot of legal things and law
based things pretty easily and pretty well inside of our humanity.
I think, yeah, So yeah, anyway, that's that's the second thing.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
I think this is this is brilliant, And I'm so
glad that you really put time and effort into constructing
these thoughts and putting them out there, because you're right,
we've absolutely lost sight of how our society is supposed
to work on so many different levels, especially when it
comes to law and justice, like you were just saying,

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and those concepts make too much sense, and it'd be
it'd be ridiculous not to to take a deeper look
into some of these things, because it seems like that
our ancient ancestors probably had a great graph on how
these things worked and were able to utilize them in

(01:47:05):
harmony with not only the way their societies were, but
with the way that they interacted with nature and everything
around them. So I love what you I love what
we're getting into, and let's let's hear the rest of them.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Okay, cool, Yeah, And you're right. And I think, especially
as it pertains to law and justice, part of what
worked for our ancient ancestors was because they didn't have
conglomerate empires like we have had since the time of
Persia and Rome and you know, ancient Greece and things

(01:47:41):
like that. They weren't trying to rule huge land masses.
Especially when we take a look at like Native American
tribes or Native People's, indigenous peoples just about anywhere in
the world. It's on a tribal level, and so they
have their personological things down enough within the context of
their society, and their society is small enough that they
can realize is like everything actually works for us if

(01:48:02):
we do this, and if we violate these things, then
our society doesn't work. And when we try to impose
that upon such a huge land mass and millions billions
of people, that can't work. Because we are all so
different as individuals. We have to be able to find
what the context is for our own working and so

(01:48:24):
creating micro government, micro sectors of districts, however you want
to call it of humanity right now, and decentralizing is,
as far as I can tell, the only solution that
nature and our own humanity in our history gives us
to being able to find good solutions. We can't create

(01:48:47):
broad solutions for everybody because that just doesn't work. Okay,
So the next point economics and currency. We say, oh,
if everybody just traded, that would be great, Like we
could just bar But you know, let's say that I'm
the cobbler and you're the farmer, and you're producing food
for me all year long, and I'm just producing shoes

(01:49:08):
for you two to three times a year. Is that fair?
It's really hard to say. To me, I would say, well,
as a farmer, I'm putting in a whole lot more
work than what you're doing as a cobbler, But I
need to do this. So the concept of barter and
trade doesn't always work one hundred percent, but it's a
big part of a larger and more holistic spectrum of

(01:49:34):
economics that can be incorporated. But we can't just rely
on it. And so you know, when people try and
oversimplify the economic system or how currencies work, or even
why currencies exist. They fall short ninety percent of the
time in my opinion of what the perennial principles are,
and the perennial principles are to be able to amass resources,

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to be able to afford the things that you need
for your survival, your family survival, your community survival, your
government survival, et cetera. However big that goes up on
the evolutionary scale. We need to be able to think
about the perennial basis of currency because we have based
it on gold. And you know, people can disagree with

(01:50:19):
me on this, and sometimes I disagree with myself on this.
I don't have a belief around it, but I find
it very interesting that, you know, we have these early
Mesopotamian concepts of on Unaki or these watchers that had eventually,
you know, kind of enslaved humanity for the purpose of

(01:50:41):
mining gold so that they could create an artificial atmosphere
for their own planet. Now, whether that has any substantial
basis in truth or not is not my point. It's
that that story and that mythos is very important and
it still lives very deeply inside of the subconscious of humans. Today,
like we talk about most of the econ that I know,
alternative economists are like, well, let's back things up with gold.

(01:51:04):
Now I know what to do with gold. Gold and
gold making is good for making medicine that is able
to heal the soul and get rid of our sense
of corruptibility within the human paradigm. We can also get
rid of many different cancers with say al rum botobile,
which is a potable gold or drinkable gold. We can

(01:51:25):
also make several different forms of medicine that can work
on soul, spirit, and body with gold. Aside from that,
people don't know what to do with gold besides, you know,
make jewelry or you know, something else, and that ornament
is really just a sign of status within society and
it's meaningless. It is so meaningless. So why would we

(01:51:47):
back something up with gold? Something that is heavy, something
that takes up a lot of space to store, something
that is relatively difficult to smelt and refine. These concepts
just don't make sense. But there's somewhere deep inside of
our subconscious as individuals, I would advocate that we need
to start taking a look at our resources. Gold may

(01:52:08):
be one of those resources for ornamental purposes or for
religious purposes, or you know, metaphorical purposes or whatever. But
it's not the main one. I think that you know
none of us. They never said, you know, the army
crawls on its belly for gold. No, it's like, we
need food. Food is the thing that makes all things tick.

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And if we don't have sustenance, we can't continue living.
And so when we get right down again to the
very basis of our humanity, what do we need to have.
We need to have clean air, We need to have
clean water, we need to have clean soil. Those are
the three main forces that are absolutely necessary for the
production of food and for the production of healthy humanity.

(01:52:52):
Because the more toxins that we have, the more disease
incidents of disease that we have, the more incidents of
death and comorbidity, co morbidity and other different types of
concepts like this, they just perpetuate the less clean things are.

(01:53:14):
So if we can focus on currency really being, how
clean is our environment, how clean is our food, How
clean is our water, How clean is our air? The
things that make all things tick? How rich are we
in abundant resources, how much forested area are we able
to create or reforest in order to give life to

(01:53:35):
wild animals, and how many animals can we steward inside
of this area sustainably in order to create the best
biodiversity possible and ensure the food networks not just for us,
but for them, because all of them have an intricate
place inside of ecology that are able to balance and
speak to various aspects of well being. And the greater

(01:53:56):
the well being of our ecology, the greater the well
being of ourselves. Because we derive our food and our
sustenance from the ecology entirely, we are not separate from it.
We are one with it, and so we have to
be able to value those things. And when we talk
about value, that is when we are talking about money.
That's when we're talking about currency. We place value on money,

(01:54:19):
we place value on currency. The physical value system that
makes things tick really is that. And so economics and
currency need to be intertwined. And like I said, you know,
my thing is as far as I can get, as
deep as I've been able to go with this over
the past, you know, twelve or so years now, we've

(01:54:40):
really got to focus on our ecology and our natural
resources of each and every individual area and realize how
sustainable or unsustainable it is for human existence and for
other existence like animal existence or forest existence to exist
in that area. Like I would not add advocate going

(01:55:00):
to the Sahara Desert and trying to reforest that area,
because it is a desert for a reason. But when
we take areas like around the Great Lakes region or
other things that were forested, we can actually not only
reforest big portions of those areas, but we can also
help to evolve the natural state of those forests. Kind

(01:55:22):
of like what I was referring to earlier is that
a really young forest is oftentimes pine trees and evergreens
and things like that. And the further along that the
evolution of that system goes, you'll begin to see more
hardwood trees and so on and so forth, and we
can begin to with our technologies, sustainable technologies, all chemical technology,

(01:55:43):
to begin to steward that change and moving it in
the right direction not only to fit our needs, but
the needs of a growing and evolving ecology as well.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
So in other words, we need to become more like
the plants and trees and have this shared type of
ecosystem amongst us and share each other's resources in a
way that collectively benefits everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Well, that's one option. I mean, what you're saying, if
I take that out of context, sounds strangely like socialism
or contright, and we don't want to go down that
road because that ignores what is important for the individual.
And so this is where our cosmology and our philosophy
needs to be taken care of first, and we need
to realize each step of these builds upon the last step,

(01:56:33):
and so these things need to stay. Like, for instance,
if we were like the trees and sharing all of
our resources because we wanted to and it was in
our best interest to do that, that's a good system.
But if we were doing that because we were forced to,
then that violates my second principle of our law and

(01:56:54):
justice and those rights that I have as an individual
being stepped upon. Right. So we have to be able
to keep in mind what the right is but also
what our responsibility is. And when we can balance those things,
then we will naturally, I think, want to take care
of other folks to the best of our capacity. But again,

(01:57:15):
we have to kind of get out of our traumas first,
because traumas keep us just in a state of self
preservation and self survival. Once we're able to process those
things in real time, they our humanity opens up and
we become a lot more generous and a lot more
giving because we're not just focusing on ourselves. And you
can see, like when people deal with their traumas, their

(01:57:37):
first thing that they want to do is help other
people overcome their traumas. It's just the natural capacity of
what happens is like, oh I did this and this work.
Let me show you what I did and maybe that
will work for you type of thing. And so in
that way, we do begin sharing our resources, we do
begin sharing our things. So if we could become like

(01:57:57):
the trees, that would be really, really awesome. We're a
very far far way away from that. And we have
to realize too, that we're some of us are going
to be the trees. Some of us are going to
be the brush, some of us are going to be
the grasses. Some of us are going to be the
subterranean tubers and roots and corns and rhizomes. Some of
us are going to be the microbes. See, that's the

(01:58:20):
diversity of ecology. And if we can find our spaces
and our talents, our interests are placed in society. As
human beings, all of these roles will naturally be fulfilled,
but we have to get first through the traumas and
stop being a slave to you know, the corporate wage

(01:58:41):
and whatever else in order to even think about what
will enliven us, you know, And so kind of preceding
all of these things is what I refer to as
the trans personal alchemical process, and that's where we apply
these alchemical steps first to ourselves to overcome these base
or traumas and self limiting beliefs and other things, so

(01:59:03):
that we can become as self aware as possible and
move in a direction that allows us to start to
think about these alchemic culture concepts. So you're not wrong,
it's just I'm not advocate advocating communism.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
So we've got about thirty minutes left. Let's briefly go
over the remainder of these principles that you're discussing, and
I want to close on what astronomology is.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
Okay, So the next one is citizenship and social dynamics.
What are our role within society? What is our role
as an individual citizen and how do we choose to work,
you know, for the benefit of our society. The next
is agriculture and ecology. What is the role of agriculture
and ecology within any particular civilization or community or whatever,

(01:59:56):
because it's going to be different. That is largely dependent
upon the bioregion, you know, the climate, the microclimates, the
you know, all those different things. They all come into
play there, and so we need to think about how
we can steward those things as humans to create the
best benefit possible. And again that can tie it right
back into how resourceful is a particular area or location

(02:00:20):
versus another area, and how can you know how slash
why would we choose to inhabit those areas or to
focus on those areas for living, because right now it's
mostly economically based. People live in Los Angeles for economic reasons,
you know, or because they were just born there and
have no way of getting out. But that in itself
is an economic reason in our current society. So otherwise

(02:00:42):
we would want to choose very deliberately why we want
to live there, based on our own purpose and our
own society and so on and so forth, and how
how we can contribute to that with our own citizenship.
The next is our sciences and our technologies. This is
important because you know, we're using technologies and the sciences
entirely irresponsibly. Actually, we're just developing for the sake of developing.

(02:01:06):
We have to ask, yeah, we can, like I know
that the human capacity is yeah, we can do anything individually, collectively,
et cetera. But should we and why should we? These
things are so critical to really explore, not just personally,
but collectively as well before rolling out any sort of

(02:01:27):
technology or engaging in any sort of scientific inquiry into
absolutely any area. And so our sciences and technologies, which
also tie into our arts as well. Technology and art
always go hand in hand. Art usually pushes the boundaries
of why technology is created in the first place, because

(02:01:48):
it's human beings pushing the limit of their own creativity
in their own imagination. That's what gives rise to technology.
So arts, sciences, technology, they all kind of go hand
in hand, but we need to be able to steward
those in a much better way. And then, lastly, our
healing and our medicine practices, what does it look like
for us, Because you know, we're already at the point

(02:02:08):
where within five to ten years. There are going to
be injections. I've been following the science on this very
intensely that there will be injections that we can do
that are able to reverse the aging process of the
DNA and of the mitochondria. And that's amazing for so
many people. I mean, when you could take Grandma who
has been suffering for a long time and reverse her

(02:02:29):
aging process to the point where she's now, say twenty
eight years old, again, Wow, that's a new lease on life,
not just metaphorically, like physically, and that brings with it
all sorts of wonderful or wonderful capacities and ideas, but
it brings with it an enormous way of responsibility. How

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are we going to choose to live, How are we
going to choose to breed? What are the rules around
that engagement, either spoken or unspoken, and so on and
so forth. So we need to be able to think
about these types of things and what is ethical? What
is the ideal lifespan of a human individual, What is
the ideal amount of population that the ecology can serve?
And see, all the things need to be figured out

(02:03:14):
personologically first, and then we can think about it on
these slightly more telescopic levels. But each one of these
principles that I brought up builds upon the last, so
that if you build from the ground up, starting with
that first principle of our human cosmology, all the way
up finally to our health and wellness, then it gives
us a foundation to drop up on, just like the

(02:03:37):
science of geometry does. Right. It's like when we do
proofs inside of geometry, we are building upon logic that
has already been pre established. And that type of logic
is also the same way that I have tried to
structure this alchemic culture system, where do this first, then this,
then this, and then look backwards. When you're thinking about
health and medicine, look back to the ecology, what does

(02:03:58):
your ecology actually support? Look back to your economics. What
do you do your economics support? Because right now that
answer is with that injection the very rich, we'll be
able to afford that technology. And do we really want
the very rich living longest? Because they're oftentimes perpetuating the
majority of the toxicity simply in the name of profit.

(02:04:19):
So they got where they're at, but they've sacrificed so
much of other people. They've you know, sacrificed other people
in ecology and et cetera, or to be able to
accomplish that. So that, in a nutshell is basically al
chemical ture.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
Philosophy right on, man, I love this discussion is stimulating
all kinds of different types of thoughts and concepts that
we should be really looking towards.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
To close out, tell us all about astronomology and the
astromological calendar.

Speaker 4 (02:04:53):
Cool. Yeah, First of all, that is a hell of
a mouthful, isn't it. Yeah, okay, So, so astronomology was
I didn't create that term, but I have used it professionally.
That term was created before me. It was one of
those things where I thought I created it and then
I look it up and it's like, oh, people have
already used that. But it's basically a blend of astronomy,

(02:05:19):
that's the astrono part and astrology, which is the ology
part of it. And so for me, as an esotericist,
astrology has always been a very important part of the
hermetic paradigm, and as an alchemist, we would rarely be
anywhere without this history of astrology kind of following us.

(02:05:42):
But in my own workings I have found that the
biodynamic calendar was far more correct than like the tropical
astrology that was used before the time of Paracelsus, and
even during the time Paracelsist didn't like to use astrology.
Actually he said that astronomy was important in that we
would be able to see the actual planets in their positions.

(02:06:03):
So what he was referring to is like almost a
true astronomical alignment of things. But he still brought up
all of these concepts that were kind of astrological in nature,
even though he didn't like the astrology of the time
and spoke very outwardly against it. But other astrologers in
the Renaissance were very big on this, and you know,

(02:06:25):
of course today it's so popular that in the newspapers
and magazines you have horoscopes for people's sun science. But
the thing is is that all of those planets, whether
we're talking about veda astrology, which is a form of
siderial astrology, or whether we're talking about tropical astrology, which
is used by most astrologers in the United States and

(02:06:46):
abroad these days, they don't align whatsoever with the actual planet.
So we could say that like, oh, the sun is
in aries on March twentieth. Well, what does that mean?
Because when I take a look at the position of
the Sun around that time, it's actually still very clearly

(02:07:07):
in the constellation of Pisces. And what I mean by
that is that here in the background around the ecliptic
as we're looking in the sky, is the constellation of Pisces,
and the Sun is right in front of that constellation.
So that means the Sun is in Pisces. But again,
tropical astrologers are saying, well, no, it's actually an Aries.

(02:07:28):
But Aries is way over here, and the Sun is
not over there, it's over here. And so I started
to notice in my own astrological works, especially engaging in
biodynamic agriculture, that the Sun is actually not where they
were saying that it is. From an astronomical perspective, And
what does that mean? And what happens if I align

(02:07:49):
the positions of where I'm actually perceiving the Sun to
be from my topicentric perspective here on Earth and where
the constellations are, And what happens if I change my
perspective and say, instead of Son and Airy's sun is
actually in Pisces. And so this means that root vegetables
should ideally be planted at this particular time, or that

(02:08:12):
roots actually have the greatest vitality, and that's what happens
in the spring, is that the roots are waking up
inside of everything and they're starting to send their energy outwards.
And the sun is all about the distribution of vitality
and energy and it's exuding from the root at the
spring equinox. So to me, I've been able to see

(02:08:33):
that there is a different perspective there. So I have
combined astrology with astronomy, and the form of astrology that
I use was created by Athin Kamente. A lot of
people have heard me exalt his virtues over the years.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
Now I've had ethn on a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (02:08:49):
Yeah, he's awesome. I love him. Can't speak highly enough
about him. So his astrology was the very first astrology form,
which he calls true scenerialistorology that I was able to
actually validate and verify through clinical studies on humans as
well as validate with my plants inside of my gardens

(02:09:10):
and by utilizing biodynamic principles Maria tun style biodynamic principles,
but with his count of the true serial astrological positions
of astronomical bodies. And what's interesting is his form is
even more accurate than the International Astronomical Union data, which
is looking at things from an astronomical perspective, and all

(02:09:32):
he's doing it's a very simple system. Is you take
the end of one constellation along the ecliptic and the
beginning of the next, and this is derived from the
last star the furthest star in one constellation Sapisces, and
the first star of Varies. And he draws the midpoint
between those and he says that's now the cusp. And

(02:09:54):
as the planets go through the entire ecliptic, which is
to say, all the different constellations, we realize that there
is actually thirteen of those, not just twelve, because even
though it's just the smallest little bit of the foot
of Ophiuchus that is along the ecliptic. And we do

(02:10:15):
have evidence that ancient cultures would have used this as well,
especially Greeks. Pre Ptolemaic Greeks would have definitely used this.
So I started validating a lot of his research when
I found his work and have been running split tests
on it ever since, and since twenty twenty two, I
have been creating the astronomological calendars, which basically break down

(02:10:42):
the position of where all of the planets actually are
and in what actual constellations, and then combining that with
proper astronomy too, so letting people know, you know when
our eclipses and like today, for instance, the Earth is
at perihelion today, which means the Earth is the closest
to the Sun that it will be all year long.

(02:11:04):
And so we include perihelion data and ap helion data
for not just Earth, but all of the planets. We
also give appage and perigee times for the Moon, and
I lay out all six of the different lunar rhythms,
which is to say, waxing and waning cycles, the ascending

(02:11:25):
and descending moon cycles, ascending node and descending node cycles,
and it's the appage and perag cycles, and so much more.
So I have done my very best to be able
to take everything that can be validated and verified using
alchemical lab work and agriculture and put it into a

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style of a calendar that can be used for Auraelian spageria.
Like the spagirics that I practice are slightly different and
even if only technically in application and in pharmacology from
what is oftentimes being taughtest Bageeria. That's why I gave
it the particular name or Araelianspageeria, and for Aralian medicine,

(02:12:08):
which is the whole form of medicine that I've been creating,
and for alchemic culture principles as well, and so all
of those are there inside of my calendar, and it's
a huge undergoing. We only print off two hundred calendars
every year because it's not you know, this is the
third year that I will have been making this calendar,
and so it's not terribly terribly popular. There's a handful

(02:12:32):
of people across a globe who are using it, and
it's only good for the Northern hemisphere at that. So
we have some people in Europe and a decent amount
of people in North America that are using these calendars.
But it's less than two hundred people, you know what
I mean, at least in print version. You can get
this in PDF version on the website as well. But
so yeah, it's growing in popularity. And what I have

(02:12:55):
encouraged people to do is, just like myself, I produce
this thing enormously costly, for me to print. It's enormously costly.
It takes me like four months to hand make this
calendar because I have to do everything date by date
by date and research and compare it to tons of
different types of things. But it's I encourage people to

(02:13:17):
use that and run split tests against biodynamic calendars or
against you know, like Llewellyn's calendar for witches and you
know other things where.

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
They ask you, do you think it could possibly be
our collective misunderstanding of astrology that maybe is a contributing
factor into the state of society these days where we've
been led wrong in some ways that was just a
snowball effect over the centuries.

Speaker 4 (02:13:45):
Yeah, I definitely do, and I think, you know, I
think the tropical astrology does have an effect. But the
reason it has an effect, as far as I can tell,
is because people believe in it. And anything that we
believe in has some sort of power from the astral
and so so we are deriving some energy from that.
But when we align our belief systems with more perennial truths,

(02:14:08):
then we're able to get a much better result. And
that was the whole basis behind this for me, was
let's actually, you know, the astral actually comes from Astra star,
and the stars are putting out energies frequencies to us constantly.
That that is a perennial truth. All of the megalithic
and Neolithic monuments are aligned to the actual stars, not

(02:14:31):
to the idea of where the stars would have been
in some intangible calculation. So people are believing in things
that give it some form of power, just like our government,
just like our currency, just like all of those things.
And they're relying simply on the mental plane and the
emotion of the adulteration of the emotional plane, that emotional

(02:14:53):
sense of certainty that solidifies and crystallize in those sick
beliefs that have influenced our entire humanity, and sadly a
lot of people are very subject to that. So yes,
in short, the answer is yes, Chris, I do right.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
On now, how do you feel about the energies of
the upcoming years and what we could be looking towards
as far as different outcomes, pivotal moments in the collective
consciousness of society and everything that's happened and where we're going.

Speaker 4 (02:15:27):
I feel hopeful, because if I lose hope, then I
don't know that I would really keep going, you know,
it drive me to a point of suicide or something.
But realistically I think that, you know, I have seen
a lot of changes that are very, very beneficial happened
just in the course of my lifetime, and they're not

(02:15:49):
taking mainstream hold yet, but they're growing exponentially each and
every year. And some people just need such a hard
and intense crisis to be able to get and honest
and truthful with themselves that things might need to get
worse before they get better. But we are near that
breaking point. I think, now, what does near mean? I
don't know. That could be highly subjective, could mean this year,

(02:16:12):
It could mean ten years from now, could mean fifty
years from now. But you know, there's not one source
of water on the planet that does not have what
is called a PFAS or pfos, a forever chemical inside
of it. This is every source of water in the world.
And that's because all water flows into one another throughout
the whole world, through underground aquifers, through evaporation and rain

(02:16:34):
systems and so on and so forth. They are all
one system. That everything is one system at its base.
That's the spiritual perennial concept of unity, but realistically, we're
poisoning ourselves and everything else with our human behaviors that
are unconscious. And so if we can just make as

(02:16:55):
you know, as Young said, make the unconscious conscious, then
we're a able to really make some cool impacts and strides.
And that doesn't take a lot. It takes silence, and
it takes introspection and unadulterated honesty. We have to get
real with ourselves. Why are we doing things? What are

(02:17:17):
we justifying as our beliefs, as our modus operandi, and
why are we participating in that? And once you get
to that answer, then that opens up the space for
transformation and we have to we are at a critical juncture,
I think, where we have to look at this as
humanity if we want to go on with any semblance

(02:17:39):
of our historical integrity that we have had since as
far back as you know, we can possibly go in
the archaeological records and however far humanity and humanoid like
existence exists before that, we really just have to get
real with ourselves, Chris, and we have to be able
to see personally and sociologically, what are the things that

(02:18:00):
are the most important to us and what can we
not sacrifice and what is what do we want the
direction to be? And that is an answer that every
single individual has to have, or at least, by far
the vast majority of individuals has to have, because otherwise
what we're doing is the same thing is what they're

(02:18:20):
doing right now. Is that a small group of thinkers,
regardless of whether they're noble or not, are going to
guide the whole course of humanity because humanity is too
lazy or trauma ridden or whatever the case is to
take accountability for themselves. So I see that moving forward,

(02:18:40):
cycles of the cosmos are going to continue to act
on us, just as they have for many, many, many,
many many millennia, and we can't avoid that. We can.
What we can do, though, is we can be aware
of where we want to be going and where we're
at now and utilize the cycles that are us at

(02:19:01):
any given moment to be able to help to instill
a better future for ourselves. Like, for instance, Mars is
moving into the constellation of Sagittarius today. That is a
very fiery energy and that lends itself to calcination, to
self honesty, to the burning away of self justifications, and

(02:19:21):
belief systems. That is a really great archetype for that.
And if people can take this opportunity of that cosmic
cycle that is already inherent and shed to Earth from
the cosmos itself and use that as an opportunity the
impetus to be able to transform, then we have some chance.

(02:19:42):
And like I said, I remain hopeful because without that,
I don't know what I would have.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
Excellent. I love it, man, this was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
We definitely have to speak again very soon in the future.
We barely scratch a surface on some of this stuff,
and we'll.

Speaker 2 (02:19:55):
Get much deeper.

Speaker 1 (02:19:57):
Before you head out, remind the audience how they can
find out more about you and get a hold of
all your content and everything you're offering.

Speaker 4 (02:20:04):
Thank you so much. Yeah, So, the best way for
folks to get a hold of me is through my
website at Phoenixeralius dot org. We basically have like a
Patreon style structure, so everything that you buy, whether the
astronomological calendar or any of the multitudinous I have almost
five hundred spagiric offerings inside of my Spagiic apothecary or

(02:20:26):
even my meditation albums or educational series and things like that.
That all continues to support my research and to fund
me to be able to come up with ideas like
this and to share them with the public and so
on and so forth. So it's you don't have to
subscribe to anything. You just buy what you want, and
that helps to fund and support the research and helps

(02:20:47):
me to continue doing what I'm doing. So, phoenixrelius dot
org and I do share a lot of ideas and
other things on my own podcast, which is called the
Alchemiculture Podcast, and you can find that on Spotify and
Apple and you tube and all the other places that
things like that are. So if you like these ideas,
that might be another fun way of engaging with these

(02:21:08):
these types of topics.

Speaker 2 (02:21:10):
Amazing. Thank you so much, Phoenix. This was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:21:13):
Like I said, we'll do this again soon and until
next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We will talk
again tomorrow and we'll see y'all then.

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