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Today.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
My guesst is Phantom Phil. He started Unexplained, Inc. In
March of twenty twenty. The show started out as the
Friday Night Fright and evolved to where the unknown connects
with the empowered. Phil saw that the subjects of the paranormal, metaphysical, unexplained, conspiracy,
and spirituality all weave together like a web. Digging into

(01:41):
the truth of the unknown needed to be aided by
aspects of spiritual healing and the ascension of consciousness. Phil,
welcome back. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Very good, Chris, very good to be back here. First
things first, I just want to wish yourself and everybody
tuning in the belated fourth of July Independence Day holiday.
Hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, man didn't get obliterated by aliens or anything. So
it's a good day, you know. But thanks for coming back.
We're gonna have a good time today. Today we're going
to talk about some of your new projects you're working on,
so I'm involving the Vancouver par Normal Society I understand,
as well as some of your own high strained shamanic

(02:26):
psychopomp experiences and much more. But before we get into anything,
remind the audience about yourself, your content, and everything you're
working on.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Your thing. My name is Phantom Phil. I host the
Unexplained Incorporated podcast, and if you're watching video you can
see my logo where the unknown connects with the empowered.
It's a nice little hodgepodge of excuse me, paranormal Unexplained, conspiracy,
and spirituality all molded into one. I run on a

(03:00):
seasonal schedule, so my last season just ended from March
to June. My next one will be firing up from
mid to late September until the second week of December.
So I basically run in the spring and the fall.
But this summer is special because it is the first
one that I will be uploading bonus content via the

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brand new Patreon page Patreon dot com slash Unexplained Incorporated.
I'm going to get into that a bit later on.
As for right now, though, for the summer, I'm just
I'm on a bit of a break right now. I'm
going to start firing up bookings and recordings for the
next season in mid August. Got a lot of personal

(03:46):
day to day stuff to deal with, so right now
it's just all about getting patrons and building up that
community for the show and the Patreon page itself right on.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Excellent, man, So tell us about what you have upcoming
with the Vancouver Paranormal Society.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Absolutely, if I didn't get to this right away, I
might have a small mutiny on my hands because there's
some people in my circle who are very upset with
me because I didn't tell them this announcement before coming
on here. So I got some people anxiously awaiting. A
small backstory. Back in twenty twenty one, I had the

(04:31):
president of the Vancouver Paranormal Society, Kelly clair Berg, on
my show. She was a phenomenal guest and she has
become a good friend ever since. And in an act
of synchronicity, which I'm sure is beyond my understanding, I
had her on the show literally just a few days

(04:52):
after I completed my shamanic psychopomp training, and you and
I talked about that a little bit the last time
I I was on here. And for those who don't know,
psychopomp is, to put it simply, is an act of
crossing over lost souls to the other side so they
can either reside over there for eternity or they can

(05:15):
be reborn into their next life. And that's what that
lines up with. So another thing I'm going to get
into is that this work psychopomp, it doesn't look like much,
but it is extremely exhausting mentally and fizzlely believe it
or not. So when I had Kelly on for the
first time, she had just gotten over in illness and

(05:37):
I was days after the psychopomp training, plus in the
middle of my busy season at my job, and we
were both extremely burned out and tired. But we had
an interview that just lit up both of us and
a lot of it started talking about in your death experiences,
the psychopomp experience, and it really piqued her curiosity. Fast

(05:59):
forward to this past spring, Kelly returns to the show
as a guest for the first time since then. I
had her on in late April and we pick up
right where we left off and have another great episode
with her in the archive. When we finished the recording,
she asks a favor for me. Somebody who was a

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distant connection of hers unfortunately committed suicide in the middle
of February of twenty twenty three, and from what she
knew about my training and her curiosity, she cinally asked
me if I could go into those realms with shamanic
psychopomp and to see if this individual had crossed over

(06:48):
her not, so they could get some peace and the
family could get some peace. I'm going to get to
that momentarily, but when all that came together in the
initial success of this work I ended up doing. Kelly
and I have both come to an agreement that on
a volunteer basis, I will now be working side to

(07:08):
side with the Vancouver Panormal Society doing shamanic psychopomp work
on their cases when necessary.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Interesting, well, could you give us example of what that
would entail, especially with a paranormal society?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely so, when I got Mike Graining in November of
twenty twenty one, I don't have the material directly in
front of me, but my teacher was going through it
and explaining what it was all about, and I had
to stop and say, have paranormal teams or investigators ever
thought about enlisting someone with these services? Because I think

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it would solve an awful lot of hauntings and cases
of unwanted entities, Because so many of those ghost entities,
whatever you want to call them, they're earth bound, They're
stuck here, they're haunting for a specific reason, and a
lot of them just need that guidance to cross over.

(08:11):
And to answer your question about a specific example, I'll
talk about what happens with the individual that was connected
to Kelly, so on maybe the first of twenty twenty three,
not too long after I appeared on here for the
first time, I was able to go and perform the ceremony.

(08:33):
And what's really neat about this work is since in
the outer realms, the spirit realms, time and space don't
matter the way they matter to us here on Earth.
In the three D, I can do this work from
pretty much anywhere. I'm not bound to physical location because

(08:56):
I'm in southern Ontario. Kelly and people involved with this
are all the way out in suburban Vancouver, so I'm
halfway across the country. All I need to do put
on a pair of headphones, find the right drumming track,
shamanic drumming track, which of course acts almost like a

(09:17):
hypnotic sound if you will, to put you in an
altered state or a meditative state. And I journey into
the Middle world, I believe. When I was last on
I briefly broke down the differences of the lower, middle,
and upper worlds. I think anyway, and the middle world
will take you to I guess what I'll call an

(09:40):
alternate dimension. And before going in, all I needed from
Kelly was a photograph in individual's full name, and she
was able to send me a screenshot of the individual's
obituary that had both So I meditated on that brief

(10:01):
and then I went in. I got into the middle worlds.
And when you go in to do this work, you're
entering a dimension where from what I can see, and
just remember, my vision's a little bird like, it's not
as clear as say, how we're looking at each other
right now, So like there's probably hundreds to thousands of

(10:24):
souls in this realm from what I can tell anyway,
just by briefly looking, and I found after looking for
a little while, it seems like I found my spirit animal,
my main totem, the morning dove. It flew to me
and it guided me to this person. Now in this realm,

(10:48):
what I'm seeing is this person as they looked in
this photograph. Otherwise I would probably miss them and I
wouldn't recognize them. And I assumed the photograph was fairly recent.
So I saw a person in the age in the photo,
which was quite an older age. And while I'm in

(11:11):
this realm, I asked, are you so and so? And
the answer I got was yes, And the individual was
very sad very remorseful and very sorry. And I think
as soon as they took their own life, they realized
they made a mistake and they wanted to do it

(11:33):
all over again. And what I remember saying in this
realm was, doesn't work that way. The life you had
is over and you can't go back. And of course
that caused more upset and grief. And remember this was
a suicide victim, so there's going to be a lot

(11:55):
of sadness and grief upon meeting them in this realm,
and I wanted to know why they did it, Okay,
and I'm not going to get into the specifics on
that for confidentiality reasons. I got my answer, and at

(12:17):
least two or three times I asked this individual if
they wanted to cross over, and I had to explain,
when you cross over, very good chance you'll be reborn
into a different body with a different life. And because
your life ended via suicide, you didn't learn the lessons

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you needed to learn here on earth. And after that
sunk in, they agreed. So I performed the ceremony cross
them over, and just to give you a lucid visual
interpretation of what that looks like in this realm, once again,

(12:58):
this is the spirit realms, so I'm not bound to
physical limitations like here in the three D, I just
kind of open a portal and I want to say
there was white light behind the portal, don't remember one
hundred percent. And then the soul crosses in and you
close the portal back up. The entire time I'm doing

(13:21):
it here in this realm, I'm just sitting with my
eyes closed, like I'm not even moving, like I am
in the spirit realm. And then it closes up.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And then.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Once the callback, the end of the drumming track happens,
I come back, come back ground into my body, and
that's it. So, yeah, did you want to ask something.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Like, yeah, I love it if you could remind the
audience that may not have heard your first appearance, remind
them a little bit about the process you use, the
drumming and what occurs to put you into this altered state,
and a little bit of what you experience while in
that state.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Sure so, anybody who has done meditation of any sort
will understand this very quickly. Meditation is almost like working
out a muscle. It's a discipline. You try your best
to shut down your thoughts and if you are able
to shut down your thoughts the monkey mind, as they

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call it. You can enter altered states of consciousness with
shamanic journeying. You can enter altered states of consciousness through
a sonic driver, which is known as either a drum
or a rattle or both or even or whatever works

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for you, and you just relax, let your body real
the same way as a meditation, and to eliminate your thoughts,
you more or less tune in to the beat of
the drum or the tempo of the rattle, and you
can end up in these altered states of consciousness. And
like I said on my first appearance on here, before

(15:06):
you do the journey, you set intentions with specific questions
and you will be guided to the lower realm or
the upper realm. And after you journey UF you can
go to whatever realm you need to and you can
travel between them very quickly in the middle world or
the middle realm. Like I said before, it's for more

(15:31):
advanced journeyers or practitioners to do specific work like psychopomp.
There are other kinds, so anyone just doing this as
a hobby or in their spare time probably won't journey
to the middle world so much. But the process is
real simple. You just shut down, you meditate. The lower

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world you can enter through visioning a place of nature,
and the upper world is the same, but instead of
going down into the ground, you ascend up towards the sky,
and that can be with a tree, ladder, an escalator,
whatever works for you and whatever comes to you.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
And the purpose of these journeys for you primarily is
the psychopomp experience.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
That's one of them. Okay, the purpose the purpose of
the journeys in general are to get clues or answers
to day to day problems or questions that are hindering
your growth. And you get answers from spirits, spirit animals

(16:38):
and divine sources. So it's a way of just kind
of plugging into the unconscious and the divine. But someone
like me who has gone through training to eventually become
a healer has to learn the different methods that are used,
like we discussed these in the previous show. Just an example,
Psychopomp is one to crossovers, dream time is one two

(17:03):
and this is so wild to me still. You can
journey into past recurring dreams to get further meaning on them,
further understanding. Those are just a couple of them, but
there are many different ones psychopompe I would use just
for this purpose. And I'll just conclude on this story
right here. It was funny. Pretty much the rest of

(17:26):
the first week of May, I was exhausted, and a
lot of it was just from doing that one ceremony.
So if you ever choose to do that sort of warning,
don't bite off more than you can chew. Only do
say one or two at a time will completely fry
your circuits and wear you out. I had a friend

(17:49):
who did this training very recently, and I think they
crossed maybe five or six in one session, and I said,
what are you doing? And then they were complaining about
how how tired they were the following few days. I said, well,
that's why you're not meant to do that much. Our
body and mind they're not meant to handle that type
of capacity. So I only did this one individual and

(18:13):
that was it. Later, I'm gonna say about a week later,
I got on Zoom with Kelly and a friend who
knew this individual. And I also want to add two
that I was also asked to do this because Kelly
and her team had done an investigation at this family's
residence and had some pretty profound activity which made them

(18:36):
believe maybe this person was still there. And after having
a similar discussion like you and I are having now
and explaining it to this person who doesn't know anything
about this, I shared my results about talking to the
spirit version of this person and they were bang on

(18:59):
with what I in the spirit realm. So we all
had that moment where our jaws all kind of hit
the floor. And then I think after that it was
official that Kelly said, if we need your aid and investigations,
you can do this from home, and I said absolutely,
and I don't want any money or anything for it.

(19:19):
I'm just doing that on a volunteer basis to be
of service.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Excellent. Yeah, I can't wait to hear more about this
in the future as well. Now, I want to get
your further insights into what we're encountering with entities in
these different realms. Some believe that there are indeed spirits
of past loved ones. Some believe that these are just
energetic thought forms or aggrigores that we created, and it

(19:47):
could be both. It could be a mix of spirits
and aggrigors. I'd like to get your thoughts if you
have encountered either or both of these, and how can
you tell the difference.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
It's a very interesting question. Put me in the camp
that thinks that they're both, and I'll explain why. I
believe this experience in the within the human experience might
be as close as we can as we're allowed to
get to say source or God or the Creator, however

(20:23):
you want to phrase it, because I think the source
of creation is so far beyond our understanding that even
if we were to encounter it, we wouldn't even begin
to know how to perceive it. That's how I look
at things. So in the lower worlds, I'll explain this again,
and lower world does not mean that you're going to

(20:45):
Hell or somewhere of punishment and damnation where there's bad spirits.
It just means lower into your subconscious, and it takes
you into your subconscious through nature. And you have to remember.
These practices throughout the world pretty much pre date every

(21:07):
organized religion that's up there, like long before they were
texts of any kind. And a lot of people don't
know this, but the term shamanism is actually from Siberia,
and many Siberian tribes originated and popularized these practices that
we know in the West, and that's something not a

(21:30):
lot of people want to know. So, like I said,
it's it's an ancient form of communication to spirit. In
the lower worlds, I've only ever communicated with spirit animals
or power animals, and you have to ask them whether
you're where you're power animal or not. Empower animals are

(21:52):
there to guide you to eventually what will be the
answers to your questions orbles in Different animals will appear
as they have many different ones have with me. And
animal guidebooks and spirit guidebooks by say like the author
Ted Andrews are a really good reference. Figure out references.

(22:12):
There's many good websites. That's all I've experienced in the
lower worlds. Now the upper world is something totally different.
Many people, I'm sure Chris you've come across, have said
they have encountered higher self or they've had direct contact, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
One of my most memorable remborable guests when it comes
to these astral states is doctor Bruce Goldberg, who give
a very thorough explanation of each of these different layers
and realms as he experienced them through astral states, but
that is as close to the are the most thorough
that I've had on this show.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's interesting. So I think if you and I'm talking
only on my experience, everybody's experiences are different. But the
more you journey to the upper realms and the upper
meaning more divine, and it'll give you insights with more
of a big picture angle to them, because you're ascending

(23:19):
to higher levels of consciousness which will connect you to
the divine. My main guide up there is my higher self,
and I know this because I connected with my higher
self in a couple of different exercises and meditations I
did in twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen, and then when

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I started doing this in twenty twenty one on a
very regular basis, it was the same guide, or that's
how it appeared to me. Now this is where it
gets interesting. I believe since this is such a close
connection to source or you know, the Creator, however you
want to phrase it, it can manifest anything or anyone

(24:04):
for you. Because it had that ability, and because you're
in that realm that is so close to where creation happens,
things will appear to you. Now a couple of examples
I At times I've asked my higher self for guidance

(24:27):
or questions or healing, and then somebody I know, either
say as a celebrity or a deceased family member or
someone I know in the present day modern life will
appear to me and we can have full conversations back

(24:48):
and forth and even give and received healings if need be.
And it's come so far.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm a big music guy. I'm a big metal guy.
I have a lot of favorite bands, but one of
them happens to be Motorhead. Okay, and I was having
a very specific personal issue. I won't say what it
is here, but I asked my higher self to, you know,
show me someone who can help me with it. He

(25:17):
manifests Lemmy from Motorhead. And I'm having a conversation with
this ethereal spirit. Now, is it actually Lemmy? No, I
don't think so. However, it is probably the closest thing
I will ever see to him, because these forces can

(25:39):
manifest these spirits for your highest good in order to
help you. And I know it was him because every
second or third word he said to me, he took
a drag from a cigarette, which is something I think
he would have done here on Earth from what I understand,
so I hope that answers it. And one other thing
I'll add is that I'm really interested about the theory

(26:02):
about this being an eggregor from your subconscious. I don't
think that's entirely wrong because throughout this year I've also
been studying spiritual hypnotherapy, which is about going straight into
the subconscious from a spiritual angle, and I think the
subconscious mind is your direct pipeline to source or God.

(26:26):
It's your pipeline too, higher consciousness and divine thoughts and
actions and feelings. So I don't think that's wrong either.
I think it's all connected. And I think manifestations I
told you about, like Lemmy, are presented to me this
way because my subconscious will understand it and maybe it

(26:47):
came from there. Because it's like, Okay, if you want
advice from some other person, some other rock star, it's
probably not gonna it's not gonna connect with you, it's
not going to resonate with you. But if I do
it with this guy for this issue, you're going to
get it. You're going to get the message, and then
when you return to the three D realm, it's to
you on how to use it it.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
So many of these experiences seem like we are being
presented with what we can understand, something that we wouldn't
have feed over it. Even paranormal experiences. People who are
having extraterrestrial experiences, meditative experiences, the encounters they have, the
seeming non human entities that they encounter, most of the

(27:30):
time appear as something familiar to them that makes them
feel comfortable with the information being presented. And it makes
me wonder about the simulation theory that we are somehow
accessing or hacking into the construct of this reality, messing
with the programming in a way to where it's it

(27:55):
can present us with informat and easier if it interfaces
with a us in a way that's more familiar with us.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. And I
want to share a quick story with some recent happenings
with me. So we went pretty in depth on my
last appearance on Animal Totems and Spirit Animals, and I've
alluded to that here. Since I was last on here,
I've had something very strange happen and it almost backs

(28:24):
to like the theory of a simulation or some type
of divine programming. So I've told you that my main
spirit animal is the morning dove, and there's others here
and there, and that I've had some power animals I've
connected with in the shamanic realms manifest here in the
three D to deliver me specific messages, like spiders in

(28:46):
that big fat June beetle I saw in my apartment
two years ago and haven't seen since you know, stuff
like that. Well, I'm not going to get into like
super in depth details because this, I feel is the
beginning of a larger story ready to unfold, So I'm
not quite ready to get into the whole thing. But
what I can tell you is is I read a

(29:07):
book since I was last on the show, and the
book had a theme connected to a very specific tote
map animal or animal totem, i should say, and that
animal was the great horned owl. Even before I finished
reading the book, I finished it on June first. I

(29:29):
have seen owls everywhere, and I'm not even talking about
an actual owl. It's like I'm on my Instagram or
I see them on products we sell it my workplace.
I was out to lunch with a friend the other
weekend and the server had an owl necklace on like

(29:51):
it's connected to a very scific theme and I don't
want to reveal it just yet because I feel it's
leading me to something made But consciously I didn't ask
for this, but there are some forces at work that
have connected me to this totem and have had it
appear very weird and random places. And the thing that

(30:13):
follows it, it happens like clockwork, if not the same day,
the day after, and I'm just like, I feel like
I'm being fed read crumbs onto a greater So once
that purpose is revealed, I'm more than happy to share
the full free It's just I don't know, I almost
feel like I'm going to jinx it, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I completely understand and following sancities got me exactly
where I am right now, and I have to I
have to feel kind of bad of people who are
unaware of this concept of the universe providing bread comes
for them and synchronicities and other metaphysical aspects that they

(30:53):
probably don't even lise, especially if they have a more
materialistic viewpoint. But this is so important for people to
really align with their true path, with what the universe
can lead you on really incredible places if you just
pay attention to what it's showing you, right.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, And I want to say this on that note,
I think the power that be, the dark controllers, the elites,
whatever you want to call them. I think this connection
that you know, the average person or the average distin
has to this, and the more and more people who
get connected to this sort of thing, I think that

(31:35):
really scares them because I think one of their endgames
just generally speaking, and Sam Ripley has said this on
his show, that they want to separate you from your eyes,
your ears, and your heart. They want the fear, They
want that reptilian brain to send you into overdrive and

(31:57):
making this decision or hasty decisions. And when you're in
tune with your heart and your intuition, you know, you
receive all these signs you're connected to the universe. You
can go on your own empowered path like you said
that you've been on that I'm currently on, and I'm
sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are on now.
That really scares them that they're going to step into

(32:19):
their own sovereignty and their own power, don't you think?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah? I would imagine it does, and it does seem
like there is this last ditch effort to try and
prevent that from occurring. It's a very interesting time we're in,
and speaking of interesting times, you wanted to give some
insights into some of the strangeness happening with UFOs and
disclosure and what we understand is extra tresh reels, especially

(32:44):
coming out of our mainstream and beyond. So what are
your thoughts on some of that.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I have a couple of thoughts, first off being is, uh,
don't believe everything you see in here, especially comes from
military intelligence sources or that are spun through the mainstream media.
I find all of that very suspect. We also had

(33:11):
that video very recently of the crash in Vegas on
a residential property and juries out on that one with me,
I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
This result is if you have to if you think
about it this way, it's all part of approved reality.
If you're seeing a TV, if the government is telling
you about it, if the media is saying this is true,
this is something. This is always a distraction. Anything you're shown,
whether it's UFOs, politics, global events, pandemics, wars, it's all

(33:43):
a distraction from something else that we've something more important
that we should be paying attention to always. It's always
going to be within ourselves. But that's the secret that
they don't want. You're looking at is within yourself. So
they're going to keep you distracted in every fantastic way possible.
And what bigger way than UFOs and aliens out there

(34:05):
in the sky right.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Oh, one hundred percent. And just to add to that,
I had a conversation with someone about this a while
back as to how, like a big reason I think
why I eventually started Unexplained was watching Unsolved Mysteries with
Robert Stack with my brother growing up, and it was
so interacting. How I've rewatched some of these older episodes

(34:28):
on YouTube and when they have cases on the paranormal
or UFOs or Unexplained phenomenon, they're looking at it through
a very heavily skeptic lens and almost kind of like, yeah,
we don't really believe this, and to tell you anyway,
like there's a lot of ridicule behind what they showed
you on those stories, but there's been just such a fanaticism,

(34:52):
if you will, and an acceptance of this that I
think those dark trollers realize, HM, we can take the
eyes off, what's really going going on if we, you know,
create these freies and sell these stories. And Chris, this
is something I want to talk to you about in
depth when you come on Unexplained in the Fall. Is
that I heard you share a story once about the

(35:13):
possible projections of paranormal phenomenon on certain people by intelligence agencies.
So if there is going to be some mass alien
encounter or UFO events, it could easily be a holographic
projection by one of these companies or agencies. Right.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, if you think about it, all the technology that
we are presented and familiar with that is acceptable, even
the most amazing to us, and the most high tech
military technology that we are aware of is still I believe,
at least fifty maybe one hundred years behind anything that

(35:52):
is in the military industrial sector, in the black ops sector.
That is, that's already being implemented in ways that we
would never know about, but it's also being implemented against us.
And there's plenty of examples of this throughout the past

(36:13):
few decades, like the Cameleo story, like other witnesses I've
had on my shows that have experienced either gangstogging or harassment,
or illegal surveillance from our government that included implementation of
very high tech technologies that are not supposed to exist yet.

(36:34):
And if you think if they're using that on such
a large scale already to provide a narrative of specific
paranormal or UFO activity target at people, then it could
definitely be implemented on a large scale for purposes of
deceiving the whole planet as well.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, like I said earlier, they want to separate you
from your eyes, your ears, and your heart. That would
be one hell of a way to do that. And
one more thing I'd like to add is I think
this chat actually may have inspired me to do something
differently in my shamanic journeying because and I think we've

(37:16):
talked about this before. How I don't believe I've ever
ran into any negative entities, bad spirits, or even extra terrestrials.
You have to say that's not out there. Like, for example,
if you do shamanic extraction work, which is a more
ampt up version of reiki, you need to journey and
do protection for that one as well as other aspects

(37:40):
of shamanic healing, because yeah, you could allow some bad
attachments or entities in it's definitely out there. But I
think maybe on some of my journeys to the upper realms,
I may ask my guide some quizzes about extraterrestrials, or
see if you can even summon some for me and
see if I can get any answers. Because the other

(38:02):
thing I wanted to say on this is that, throughout unexplained,
within the past like six months to a year, I've
connected with some really wonderful people, high vibing, spiritual people
who claim to have direct contact with extraterrest reels, or
who shown me exercises to do meditations and journeys into

(38:29):
higher dimensional versions of myself, because the three D dimensions
of ourselves I think are only one aspect of our existence,
and I think higher you go, you'll find there are
versions of you that are not human. So I don't
believe there's going to be this massive disclosure event that's

(38:50):
going to bring everybody together and say they stamp it here,
here's what we're all going to accept this now. I
think these aliens, these racist entities, are already here if
you know how to connect with them. And that's another thing.
If they were to stage an invasion or what have you,
or a fake alien encounter. It's once again separating you

(39:13):
from your real power, because most of us likely have
the real power to connect with these entities or aliens
one way or another, you know what I mean. It
was just it would just be one more further strangulation
of control.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
It seems like it's something we're not supposed to completely understand.
I was talking about this with a fuel recently that
whenever it's approached scientifically to try and understand what's happening,
a lot of paranormal or metaphysical phenomena that even may
connected to what we understand is extraterrestrials. When when we're

(39:49):
trying to scientifically explain it and we approach it in
a disrespectful type of way. And I've seen this done
many times where it's purely materialistic and they want to
find out that there is something completely explainable by science
going on, and they approach it that way and they

(40:10):
don't get the results that they intended, and usually it
they get have more questions than answers come out of
any type of experiment that's performed. The other group of
people that just approach it from a spiritual standpoint and
aren't trying to really understand it per se, but more
just interact with it and learn from it, and that

(40:32):
is where the best results are achieved. It also seems
to be five to ten steps ahead of anything we're
ever trying to understand about it. So it seems like
there's always supposed to be this mystery that we're not
supposed to understand, which makes me why why is there
always a mystery? Is this phenomena that we consider extraterrestrial

(40:54):
that also seems to be highly connected to paranormal? Is
this us interacting with ourselves in a way that we're
not supposed to know to help ourselves grow and evolve
in some way?

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Mm hmm, Yeah, I agree, And I just wish there
would be a way we could kind of get science
and spirituality to like coexist and get along with each
other without having one ridicule the other. And one other
fascinating point on the scientific aspect is on Greg Carlwood's show,
He's brought on many researchers and authors who are loosely

(41:31):
tying paranoral and unexplained phenomenon levels of plasma, which I
think is very interesting, and it might be that might
deserve some deeper research. So you know, I just wish
the two of them would just stop butting heads with
each other and work more for a common good.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I I do see more of
that now than ever before. There still seems to be
the feuding camps of nuts and bolts versus more metaphysical
when looking into a lot of this stuff, But there
are a lot of connections being made. But again, I
don't think we're really supposed to understand a lot of this,

(42:13):
and I think we're approaching we may approaching it in
the wrong direction at times, but it is. It's a
very interesting time that we're living in, just because so
much is being revealed right now and the interest in
the people becoming aware of it. It seems to be
growing and expanding, which makes me very hopeful that in

(42:38):
our lifetime we could not understand, but maybe have a
better understanding of what's going on right.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, And that's just kind of life itself. I don't
think we're supposed to fully understand anything. We're here, we're
spirits having the human experience. We're supposed to be here
to learn lessons, learn from our mistakes and try and
do good with one another. I think life would in
fact be a little bit boring if we understood it all,

(43:07):
and shows like yours and mind probably wouldn't need to exist. Really.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Now, there's also those that are exploring the possibility that
the powers of our consciousness is so extremely powerful and
does indeed create every aspect of our reality, to a
point where this our mind, in our consciousness is creating

(43:31):
these experiences that we may see as poltergeist or haunted experiences. Example,
if someone is in a bad relationship and they have
these psychic or telepathic or telekinetic abilities that they're unaware of,
and there's a build up of stress, they may be

(43:52):
implementing these abilities on certain things and objects in the
house and causing an effect and blaming it on ghosts
or spirits, and that causes a whole new problem. But
it's a very interesting thing to consider the power of
our own consciousness.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, our minds are way more powerful than I think
they want us to believe. And I'll just give you
I'll share a real quick example of this right now. Monday.
Here in Canada, we have Canada Day on July first,
So Monday was an observed holiday because it was on
a weekend and I was home and I had a
couple of things that day that really didn't go my way,

(44:29):
and I was not in the best of moods and
kind of stressed out about other things. And I reached
a point sometime in the last couple of days where
I surrendered to it, and I found some content that
was really helpful for my emotional state and helped me
get it turned around. And earlier today, you've probably had

(44:50):
this happen before, But I entered like this flow state,
like a lot of things that were kind of stressing
me out and concerning me in my day to day life,
all of a sudden, in like an hour hour and
a half span, I found solutions to them, and more
and more solutions just started flowing to me. And I've
been having that kind of a day so far, and
I hope it continues. But like because I think I

(45:14):
watched certain content and had this flip in my mindset
from where I was a few days ago. The answers
and the solutions are finally coming to me because I'm
finally allowing them, and I really believe it's from the
power of the mind and the power of consciousness.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
We most likely block a huge portion of the awareness
and abilities that in the possibilities that we could implement
in our daily lives. And it's all because of the
programming and fear that prevents us from doing that very thing.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, absolutely, you said it.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I want to get into you had past memories triggered?
Is that right of some sort of experiences that could
have that could possibly have something to do with MK
ultra experience.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Well, I want your thoughts on this and for anybody
listening really, and they could come out and reach out
to me, because I think you've spoken with more people
in and around that subject or have been a victim
of it than I have. As you probably know, I'm
a big fan of you know, Tinfoil hat Sam TRIPLEI.

(46:27):
He had episode six hundred and sixty six a little
while ago with Stephen Snyder and then Chris I think
you were on there not too long after that, and
I know Snyder was on FKN as well. But in
his Tinfoil had appearance, he was talking a lot about
the relationship between the intelligence agencies and the Gifted program

(46:49):
and a lot of things. This is happening to me
in other forms of my life too. But someone will
bring up a conversation topic and then all these memories
from the past I just don't think about it anymore
will flood in, and this was one of those times.
So I have to be careful here because this is
all allegedly and I've lost touch with these people a
long time ago. So I don't want to like insinuate

(47:12):
that this is one hundred percent legit, but I'd like,
you know, some feedback, because the more I thought about it,
the more it bothered me. So I had a very
close friend growing up. Him and his brother both went
into the gifted program at our school for a couple
of years, and my elementary school was at the fringe

(47:34):
end of the county I grew up in. It was
like almost between two farmers fields, very small school, and
a lot of my friends lived out in the country.
So his family had a nice house in the country.
I went over there a bit. I was always looked after,
I always had fun, I was, you know, never afraid
of anything. Things were cool, but it seemed like the

(47:55):
family lived with this aura of tension. They just seemed
a little on edge and uneasy. And my friend's dad,
he traveled a lot for work, and he spent a
lot of time out in his garage, in his workshop,
and whenever we asked him what his dad did for
a living, we were told he was an inventor, which

(48:19):
it didn't seem so unusual back then because we watched
a lot of kid shows or whatever in the early
nineties that had like a lot of inventor types, mad
scientist types, so like we thought it was normal. But
when I look back on it, I'm like, that's really unusual.
And one thing I remember, we were in the cub
Scouts for a little while and we had a star
gazing mates and his dad brought out this telescope. This

(48:43):
thing it almost looked like a small spotlight or a
snare drum, and it was so much more powerful than
any other telescope at this even or any that like
I've ever seen him life, And I'm like, where the
hell did he get this? And past forward a few years,
we did the first year of high school together, and

(49:05):
then he had to move to West Texas for his
dad's work. Okay, and correct me if I'm wrong, but
I believe West Texas is very active with the US
Air Force and the military industrial complex. I think there's
a lot going on that out there in that part
of the world. I couldn't remember if it was Austin

(49:28):
or San Antonio. It was one of those cities. But
they moved a couple of times back and forth, and
this one time when they moved back to Ontario, my
friend like wasn't even the same person anymore, and I'd
been told that he'd been heavily traumatized from the high
school he went to down there. I guess it was

(49:50):
like a pretty rough part of whatever city they were
living in, and he had to go to a mental institution.
He took up smoking cigarettes, which is something he never
did before, gained a ton of weight, and was put
on medications which led to the weight game, and apparently
it also attempted his life more than once. And I

(50:11):
was like, what the hell, this is not the guy
I grew up with or the guy I knew. And
we hung out for a little bit after he moved
back here, but then we eventually just went our separate
ways because he wasn't the same person anymore. And when
I was just connecting all the dots with that. Stephen
Snyder interview talking about the Gifted program, the fact that

(50:35):
his dad identified as an inventor and seemed to have
really advanced technology like this telescope I'd never seen before,
moving to a part of the US which has a
heavy connection to the Air Force, and I don't know,
just the whole story just not adding up, and all
of a sudden, the guy becomes man depressive and even suicidal,

(50:58):
and he's just not the same person anymore.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Like am I And back then I knew nothing about
this type of thing like I do now, But it's
it troubled me the more I thought about it, and
I'm like, there was something way off about that situation.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
So I don't know if it was MK ultra or
some kind of mind control, but if he ended up
in a situation where he got experimented on like I
wouldn't be shocked that.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
A lot of those programs, like variations of the Gifted program,
were some sort of ways to sort individuals to see
if they fit in for either certain operations or experimentation.
And I also wonder if that's still being done as
much as much as on a large scale as it

(51:47):
was before we had the implementation of cell phones and
technology to the mass scale that we do, to the
point to where kids at the touch of a fingertip,
have not only access to everything that adults do online,
but they are able to interact with individuals that maybe

(52:08):
their parents don't know about. Maybe they're influenced a lot
easier by different things on social media. And my point
with all that is, I think that what we have
now with our experience with technology is a roll out
of everything that was being experimented with bring the MK
ultra days from the fifties, sixties and beyond until we

(52:34):
had the implementation of this technology that we have the
ease of access to now to where they probably don't
have to run those same types of programs anymore. They're
already implementing what the operations were supposed to be about.
They're implementing right now throughout our technology. Possibly.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, that's really interesting, And just to give context to that,
this downfall of this person happened in like the mid
to late nineties, so that's long before we have the
current fingertip touch technology that we have now. So that
does make a bit of sense to me, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
It just makes me wonder to what extent are we
being lead and manipulated, especially the younger generations by the
technology and the access that they have to this constantly,
and they walk around with it constantly in their hands,
They're staring at it all day, mesmerized by it. This

(53:35):
has to have an ongoing effect on altering not only
the personality and mental state of whoever's interesting with this
on a twenty four hour basis, but what they're interacting
with could be of an extremely dark nature, and their
parents wouldn't know about it. Any authority figures may not

(53:58):
know about it, and they could be being manipulated to
a great extent. And this could be at a very
large scale right now.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with all that. And just one
last thing to say on that aspect of things is
that I mean listen, moving for kids and switching schools
and even going to a different country and a bigger city.
That's all hard. That's really difficult and can bring its
own form of trauma. But I don't believe it swings

(54:29):
one person to that extreme like eyewitnessed throughout those years,
Like it just seems real, real fishy to me. And yeah,
it's just it just it doesn't quite sit right with me.
And just to relate to how we talked earlier about
acceptance of ETS and aliens in our relationships with them

(54:52):
and UFOs and all that, and more and more experiencers
are coming forward. I think another trend we're seeing is
we're going to be seeing more and more experiencers in
people who got on in mind control in nk ultra
to come forward and share their stories. I've been hearing
more of it in what I consume, and I assume
it's the same on your end, and it's really heartbreaking.

(55:14):
But I think it's one of those things we need
to explore because we need to know this stuff happened,
or as possibly still happened.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, there's I've had plenty of individuals that claim to
have some prior experience with what they thought at one
time was a genuine extraterrestrial experience, but after either regression
or just recalling of events, they realized that it was

(55:45):
something more of a dark military operation, which to me,
that would be much more terrifying and a much more
gloomy reality than if we were actually dealing with abduction
from non humanities. If this is all us in our
military industrial comics, to me, that's kind of depressing, but

(56:08):
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, very depressing, But once again, I believe both are possible,
and maybe the abductions were benign and weren't harmful, and
then the military industrial complex got word of it, and
then they had the mind control technology and said, oh,
we can make this harmful because they should be feared
and not respected, you know, Like it's there's so many

(56:31):
different angles and sides to that.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, we're definitely living in interesting times. Man, Well, is
there anything else that we didn't cover today that we'd
like to close on?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Just before we closed, if you don't mind, I'd like
to take a couple of minutes just to do a
rundown of my Patreon because I'm in like summer vacation
mode right now and it's the only thing I'm going
to have active, and I really feel if bonus content
is your thing, I feel this Patreon is being built

(57:02):
to really the top of the line and what you
get for your own value. So I just want to
run through that real quick. And actually, just before I
do that, I just thought of this. A clinical hypnotherapist
at a Toronto just down the highway from me came
into Orbit very recently and she specializes in working with

(57:27):
people who had abductions or dealings with ets. So I'm
going to try very hard get her on the show
in the fall if it align. So that's something I'm
definitely going to try and explore there.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
So I have.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Monthly uploads to the Patreon and I have quarterly uploads.
The monthly uploads are very quite consumer type of videos,
and the quarterly ones are like bonus shows, which is
going to include the Vancouver Paranormal Society, which I'll get
to you. So the monthly uploads as of right now,

(58:05):
I have something I call Motivational Metal. This used to
be a part of my website, but I decided to
put it into video format and make it more interactive
so to speak. It's basically a metal song I pick
that I feel is motivational and we'll move you in
a positive direction and a storymin the artist and how

(58:26):
I relate to the song. And I decided to start
a bit of a club as well, which will be
uploaded monthly. It's called Sacred Scribble. And I look at
books and I'm going to go either fiction or nonfiction.
I'm not going to discriminate there books that fall under
unexplained phenomenon, spirituality, conspiracy. I'm going to do a monthly

(58:48):
review of those as well. The July uploads are going
to be available, likely sometime early next week, so if
you stick to my socials, you'll see those and orderly
up dates, which are like the bonus shows. And this
is the stuff people are really gonna cling to, I
think is I have a show called Seasons of the

(59:09):
Fourth House. I join Ray and Geo, my new Jersey
buddies from the Intrinsic Minds podcast, as well as our
mutual friend and Unexplained alumni, Amananda Rose Camperro, who's a
professional astrologer. We take a look at all major current
events going on each season and we break down as

(59:31):
to what planetarian astrological trans are going on with those.
So we're doing that show quarterly and uploading at the
beginning of every seasonal solstice. So we had one for
the springing, and we just did one on June twenty first,
and that one's funny. I didn't think we were going
to have much material for that show, and then the

(59:53):
first week of June happened where everything just went nuts
all at once, so that gave us a lot to
talk about. And those shows they're around two hours each minimum,
because we can't stop talking under that length. And this
one's for fun. It's the X Files watch Along, which
will be uploaded quarterly as well, where both my brother
who's another podcaster the trail went cold, him and I

(01:00:17):
sit down and we do running commentary over classic X
Files episodes. We have two up there on the site already.
That one's a lot of fun and finally this one
is going to debut near the end of July. We're
going to be doing a quarterly segment with the Vancouver
Paranormal Society. For those of you that listen to my

(01:00:38):
season finale on June ninth, Kelly and her team join
me for a quick segment to introduce themselves and explain
what we were doing. So probably the last week of
July that's going to upload, and in the debut episode.
One of the talking points of that at they are
working on a YouTube documentary with some folks called Cult Collectibles,

(01:01:01):
and they have done investigations on old items that used
to be possessed by serial killers and find out what
kind of spirits and entities are help to those. That's
going to be on the debut segment with the Vancouver VPS.
So you can find all that in Patriot dot com.
Slashed Unexplained inc all one word and of course you

(01:01:26):
can find me on explained inc dot com, also Phantom
Phil three on Twitter, unexplained inc on Facebook, and unexplained
fisial on Instagram. And you can listen to the show
the back episodes. There's you know, almost two hundred of
them on any podcasting platform.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Excellent, Phil, Thank you so much. Always a great conversation.
We'll have to do it definitely again in the future. Now,
just remind the audience what's the best way to get
all your content.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
All the content unexplained ink dot com is the hob
that looks up to everything. That's probably the best place
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Perfect. Phil will do it again soon and until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We will talk again Tomara, We'll
see y'all. Then. Today I want to welcome back to
the show, Phil Escott. He is a health and lifestyle consultant,

(01:02:30):
an eight year carnivore and drummer. His book Arthritis The
Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me gained a foreword
by doctor Jack Cruz and has become an Amazon Kindle bestseller.
It's now available in print. He now consults with clients
worldwide helping them to reverse their metabolic and autoimmune issues. Phil,

(01:02:52):
welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
How you doing. I'm doing great, Chris, thank you for
having me back again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yes, thank you so much for coming back on. We
had a great conversation last time, but looking forward to
this one. Last time you're on, we discussed how even
every aspect of what we're told about nutrition, diet, and
whether or not we're eating meat is completely It's not
only wrong, but it's extremely harmful to our human avatar

(01:03:21):
meat suits. Now today we're going to get into how
religion and spirituality has also deceived us about diet and
diverted us from our true nature. And before we get
into any of this, remind the audience just a little
about yourself and what led you down your path.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Sure, well, last time I was on, I went on
an awful lot about my story, I think, and where
I came from. But just briefly, I was very much
into Eastern spirituality for decades and behaved a bit like
a Yogi and was really into the whole sort of

(01:04:02):
vegetarian and vegan thing, thinking that helps you ascend and
get enlightened, all that sort of thing. And then I
got very, very sick with sorry how to arthritis in
about twenty ten and had to throw out everything I
thought I knew and ended up fully Carnival in twenty
fifteen and have been since then. And you know, it's
supposed to be the most dangerous food there is is

(01:04:24):
to eat nothing but fatty, ruminant animals with no plants whatsoever.
But miraculously, here I am still alive, no scurvy, no cancer,
no heart disease, and I must be a miracle of nature. Eh.
But then again, so of all the tribes that have
eaten like that. But yeah, so that was but a
lot of the time I think people people get dragged

(01:04:44):
into it through the spirituality thing. And recently, you know,
food has been weaponized so much. And my aim now,
particularly with what we're doing with the Big Fat Challenge
with my friend Ben Hunt, is to show people how
this food has been weaponized, how down the centuries we've
been fooled completely by all of this, and how with

(01:05:08):
the advent of agriculture and people being able to own
land or pretend they did own land and grow crops,
then it's sort of pretty much opened up the door
for psychopaths because then people with that kind of mentality
could exist. And now you see, you know, the people
who are controlling things these days, hopefully not for long,

(01:05:31):
are doing the same kind of thing. You know, Bill
Gates buying up all the farmland, and I'm sure he's
not going to use it for grass fed lamb and
beef and feed us all.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
But yeah, it's a division that's happened, I think a
lot through religion and spirituality, and it's not just on
a diet level, to actually keep us away from our
true nature.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
One hundred percent. And you've explored i'm assuming many different
types of religious and spiritual practices in your beginning of
your journey to try and find out the correct path.
We know that most of our especially the Abrahamic religions,

(01:06:13):
have been infiltrated to a certain extent to control the population,
to control our behavior, to control many different aspects of
our reality. And part of that is, of course, like
you said, our diet and the way that we are
supposedly being told to eat by the divine or by God.

(01:06:35):
What are some of the different diets based on the
different spiritual practices that you explored over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Well, I think the common thread really is that one
shouldn't kill animals, And of course this is all blown up.
I think I went into it last time about how
many crop deaths there are for you know, the crops
that get made into the processed foods and even into breads,
well that's a process food. And even the vegetables that
we eat. You know, a load of animals are killed
for that, whereas the fewest animals are killed for you know,

(01:07:06):
a fatty lamb and beef diet. I think that I
am eating probably the most vegan diet on the menu,
which is fatty beef and lamb, because it kills the
fewest animals, doesn't wreck the ecosystems all of that. And
I have an old podcast called Carnivor and Beyond. I
think I mentioned that before. It's only about ten episodes
with people who have really regained their health, their emotional balance,

(01:07:31):
their mental health too, and even their spiritual awareness by
dropping as many plants from the diet as possible. And
I think it just it just stabilizes, It stabilizes the body.
But I think, you know a lot of the stuff
that you talk about on your channel has really resonated
with me. Of the people who are on about how
history has been manipulated. I mean it's not only manipulated

(01:07:53):
through you know, rewriting the textbooks, but it's even manipulated
through you know, what we learn in schools at one
end of life, which is largely nonsense, and at the
other end of life, we don't respect our elders anymore,
so these traditions are not passed down. You know, in
the tribes, you'd sit around the camp fire listen to
the stories of the elders. But now these elders, most

(01:08:18):
of them, have got sort of Alzheimer's, and they're in
care homes and they're being fed you know, sugary tea
and biscuits and ice cream and god knows what all
day long, which keeps the Alzheimer's going, whereas it is
actually largely reversible when you go onto a high fout
diet with no carbo hydrates, because the body loses its
ability to use carbohydrates for the brain. It's more like

(01:08:42):
type three diabetes. So now our old folks are not
passing on the knowledge. And in schools we have we
have drag queens reading stories to kids, and the whole
thing has got completely absolutely upside down. And this is
this is stuff a lot, you know, through through the
spirituality and whatever. I mean. If you look at some

(01:09:05):
of the gurus, I mean a lot of them are fat.
They die from cancer and diabetes. Let's assume that these
gurus are totally emotionally balanced. Let's assume they're awakened. They
you know, a lot of them are out in their
ash rounds where they don't have artificial light, at least
they didn't used to. They've got their feet on the ground.

(01:09:26):
They're you know, they're living a healthy life. There's one
thing left really that would give them stuff like this,
and that's their whole sort of rice and doll diet
and whatever. You know. Look at Ramana Maharship obviously, are
often held up as one of the greatest gurus ever.
You know, by seventy years old, he was twisted up
and then died of cancer, elbow cancer. Weirdly, I think,
why did this happen? They're saying, well, he's taking on

(01:09:47):
all the karma from other people, But I'm not so sure.
You know, there's a guy, a friend of mine who
I've had on my podcast a couple of times, my
Red Pil Buddhi's podcasts, and he has a. He grew
up in the Muktanander tra His parents were well into
Mooktnander until he was done for kittie fiddling like a
lot of them are. And he said, now, are these

(01:10:09):
gurus actually enlightened or is it just malnutrition? And I
thought that was really helparious, because you know, when people
fast and vegetarianism, to be honest, nutrition wise, it is
a bit of a fast and you do get into
these spaced out dates that people confuse with a weakening.

(01:10:31):
I mean, if you look at the old text to
Buy Evader, you know, the Vaders, the Indian systems of knowledge,
and Iavader says that meat is the most nourishing food
for the body. It's like amrit, like nectar. And this
has been forgotten because in the West they co opted
Iavader and they're telling people, you know, to eat all
these plant foods, and it's not what the original text said.

(01:10:53):
And it's you know, when I think I mentioned briefly
last time, but I like to get into it a
bit more because it's relevant to a lot of the
sides of things that were probably going to get into today.
But there was a moment in two thousand and six,
I think, or two thousand and five. But I had
moved back to what is called the Dome site in
my local town, which is the transcendental meditation people's dome

(01:11:16):
where they go and they do their meditation and their comedy,
yogic flying, you know. And I thought I had a
sort of guilt because I've been really into it for
a long time, and I just didn't feel like going in.
I only lived about, you know, fifty yards from the dome.
I never felt like going in morning and evening. And
eventually I thought, look, I'm not going to strain against this.

(01:11:37):
I'm just going to give up. I'm going to let
go that whole yogi thing that I've had for years.
And in that moment everything came to me that I'd
ever wanted to see, just in the sense of knowing
that everything was one in whatever sense that is simulation,
you know, whatever you know, languages we have for it.

(01:11:58):
But then that never went away. A lot of the
spirituality is now to do with chasing bliss or you know,
you need to do this, you need an extra mantrain,
and you're never quite there. It's a kerat and a stick.
Whereas I believe this is always available in the moment
to anybody who just completely surrenders. And I had to

(01:12:19):
just sit down on that wall and I thought, my god,
it's beautiful that it's so simple and so natural. And
I think I mentioned last time that probably a load
of these tribes very connected with nature are in that state. Anyway,
we're just taken away from that state by enormous levels
of fear.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Well, I just wanted to add that I've had a
few guests even read just yesterday, that we're speaking to
the possibility that we used to have a universal spiritual
practice or what you might call religion, but I don't
think that's a good word for it, which is just
an astrological understanding of how the cosmos and the stars

(01:12:59):
connects to and affects our reality, if you want to
call astro theology. But there's evidence that are ancient ancestors
this was their spiritual practice, and it was for practical uses.
It was for farming, it was for how to live
your daily life, it was for how to understand how
the stars affect our reality. This has been altered and

(01:13:22):
twisted into our control system religions, and it's funny that
this used to be in an accurate and precise way
to encode aspects of reality that has just been twisted
into something that is our own prison now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Absolutely, I think a lot of the time, actual experiences
that come naturally are squashed down. They're told they're dangerous,
they're satanic, this and that. You know, if somebody gets
some great experience, they get burned at the stake or
something like that. They have through the centuries. But now

(01:14:02):
within the TM movement that I'm very familiar with, that
comes from the sort of East tradition, you know, the
Shankra Charia tradition. But I when I've had proper experience,
it's always like, yeah, you don't want to take any
notice of those. You don't want to do this, you
don't want to do that. I mentioned last time when
I was a kid that I used to have these
sort of experiences looking out the window in classes because
I was not particularly interested in what was going on,

(01:14:25):
and I just had these sort of oh, there it
is that the unity, Oh no, it's gone, and you'd
just not quite be able to grasp it. And in
then my first experience of that sort of unity consciousness,
if you like, was it was reading festival and it
must have been nineteen seventy nine, and we decided, right,
I was seventeen years old at the time, and I thought, right,

(01:14:46):
it's time to try some acid. And so we tried
some little red sort of star things and it turned out,
you know, get very nervous breaking off a little point
and taking it waiting half and now nothing happened. Eventually
we realized by somebody had been going on selling sort
of dyed cuscus and there wasn't anything. You know, then
the next day because we've got cocky by then, and

(01:15:07):
because somebody came around with these white micro dots that
weren't They were like macro dots. I don't know if
you have tictac mints in America, and they were like
that size. They were fucking massive things. Anyway, we took
one each and it was a beast of a trip.
I mean it was it was like eighteen hours full
bone and it was heaven. But the first bit of
it before you you know, you're looking for the effect

(01:15:27):
and you sort of used to maybe having had a
few drinks and you're thinking you're looking for that, and
you're so I don't know what's going on. We knew
some Hell's Angels from our local town, and somebody had
the bright idea of going round to their tent and
hanging out for a bit. So we went round there
and we sat there and they gave us a couple
of beers and they gave us some cigars.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
And that's hell of a company to have your first trip.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
And just next to us was this big petrol can. Anyway,
we're sitting there smoking these cigars and suddenly one of
the one of the angels comes in and he kicked
over the can, but a petrol can, and so there's
petrel everywhere, and we're all freaking out. We got these
cigars and we're holding them in the air. We're running
out of the tent. We can smell this petrel, about

(01:16:14):
five of us. And then one of the angels came out.
It wasn't tripping, it's going what are you doing so well?
Someone kicked the can over. He said, there's nothing in
the can, and it was just, you know, it was
just that all have that suggestion at exactly the same time,
and sometimes, you know, even individually or collectively, we can
see through. This is a story that you will, like,

(01:16:37):
I think, particularly in some of your recent episodes which
I didn't mention, didn't get the chance to get into
last time. We weren't really talking about that. But one time,
it was probably around nineteen eighty five maybe, and I
was traveling around Europe. I used to just you know,
stick out my thumb, take a ferry, stick out my
thumb and see where I ended up for the summer.

(01:16:57):
You know. I used to when I was like late teens,
early twenties, and I was traveling with this young lady
who had met on the road, and we ended up
camping somewhere outside Selisburg into Switzerland, and there was a
hill and it had this beautiful little cops of trees.
It was sort of like a circle, like a wood
circle as opposed to a stone circle. Looked like a

(01:17:19):
really magical place. Thought, well, this is a great lest
to spend the night. And so there was this electric
storm that he was very close, and there was thunder,
but there didn't seem to be any lightning, there was
no rain, very very still, and we'd meditate. Actually I
was quite a yogi in those days. We'd sat and
meditated together and suddenly we looked over when we finished,

(01:17:41):
and one branch was me and it was sort of
moving like this, like getting tugged. As we looked, this
little figure into it came into view, sort of materialized.
There was this little sort of like gremliny gobliny thing,
and he was tugging on this branch and looking at us,

(01:18:02):
and he was obviously trying to get our attention. And
then as we looked a load of other types of creatures,
some of them little humanoids, some of them not, almost
sort of like little moving columns of light, and they
seemed to be some aware of each other, some not,
some obeying different ground levels. It was almost like we

(01:18:23):
were looking through some kind of portal and we were
looking at different scenes in different dimensions, from different distances,
which might have made the ground levels look different. I
don't know. It's just i'm guessing to this day. And
then we had that for about twenty minutes or so.
None of them approached us, none of them were hostile

(01:18:44):
or anything. You know. The little original guy looked a
bit annoyed with us, you know, he looked a bit angry,
but he might not have been. He might just might
just have been his natural expression, I don't know, resting
goblin face or something. I don't know, but it was
seeing through that was extraordinary. And then I remember telling
some people about it in a TM movement. It was like, oh,
you just ignore that sort of thing. Don't have anything

(01:19:06):
to do with that, you know. And also later on,
probably early nineties, there was a lot of UFO sightings
around here in my local town, and one of the
most amazing ones was for me. I saw quite a few,
but we were in next to the dome, actually in
a friend's house who was a record producer, and he

(01:19:27):
had a big studio with sort of glass windows, and
we were looking out and over the dome there was
this sort of orange sphere I guess it may be
about twenty foot across something like that, and it was
moving really slowly against the wind. And then his kids
young at the time, ran downstairs and said, we just
saw this rocket blast off the other side and it

(01:19:47):
dropped something. So we didn't see that. We'd probably thought
there were nuts if we hadn't seen this thing, but
it passed across and it was definitely going very slowly
and against wind. Its funny. Everybody's going, wow, what is that?
What is that? And within minutes of it disappearing out
of view, they were saying, Oh, yeah, it was just
a weather balloon. I was saying, yeah, but it was

(01:20:09):
traveling against the wind. It was quite a windy day
and quite slowly against the wind. How would that be
if it was a weather balloon and that low and
just dead flat? And it's funny. We saw quite a
few of those things. And it was at a hill
where I was, where I lived, and I used to
go up mountain biking early in the morning and I
saw this thing and it was below me. It's not

(01:20:29):
very big hill, but I was actually looking down on it.
It went all the way across the flat ground all
the way out to Blackpool. As I watched it, and
it was almost like mirrored, like a mirror surface. It
was very strange. But anyway, there was quite a few
things like that, those orange things. I mean, I don't
know where they glowed at night, but there was quite
a few times where we would see them, several of them,

(01:20:50):
sort of swapping places and changing directions at night. And
you talk to people that is, and the people who
I saw it with, you know, when we saw it
up close, it was within minutes, so you know, oh
that didn't happen. Then it kind of goes out the consciousness.
It's funny, isn't it. How we're programmed not to think
about these things. But I'm not programmed not to think
about this thing. I always want to know what went on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Well, that is one of the things that I've I've
been very curious about when it comes to what we
are seeing with the mainstream disclosure, I guess you could
call it, and what's happening being reported in our mainstream
media quite often crash retrievals, UFOs, probability of extraterrestrials. Now

(01:21:36):
I understand looking at it from my viewpoint and everything
that that, all the guests that I've had, and the
theories that have come across this show that this is
probably a psychological operation of some sort. To what degree,
I don't know. The truth always to me lies in
the middle somewhere. I don't think that the government is
faking UFOs and extraterrestrials across the board, and I don't

(01:22:00):
think that a lot of what we're seeing in the
mainstream is what we would consider non human entities either.
But there is this strange reaction with the majority of
the people that seems to be like meh, nobody seems
to be having this reaction of curiosity or wonder or

(01:22:22):
even fear that there could possibly be either extraterrestrials or
an extraterrestrial threat. I just find the overall result of
the overall reaction from people a little interesting right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I think I think it's been
programmed into a lot of things indirectly over the millennia.
You had a guy on called Jason Brushers is it recently?
That interview I found really interesting because he was saying
that if there's this simulation and this whole sort of

(01:22:58):
existence is created away and that's part of the programming,
even a tree and whatever, and you know, crypt creatures
like you know, dog Man and Bigfoot, and they're coming
in and out of reality just a too program particularly
when people are expecting to see them and create them,
almost by the law of attraction kind of thing. I

(01:23:18):
it occurred to me that in the old sort of
yogic theories, if everybody gains enlightenment at the same time,
creation ceases to exist, and that's been said, and so
he was saying that, you know, they don't like whoever
it is controlling this or whatever it is, it doesn't
like it when people start really waking up and they

(01:23:40):
either sort of get murdered or deleted or something happens.
And that's interesting to me because I always thought that
i'd really go on from that that day that I
sat down on the wall, like in two thousand and
five or whatever, I thought, that's it. All I want
to be is some kind of non dual teacher's that's
my path in life, and it wasn't. I've ended up
this dude who bangs on about meat. I mean, it's

(01:24:03):
very bizarre how life changes. But it's almost like I'm
holding back on that side of it because I feel
like I've been thrust into this role to make a
big noise about the war on meat, which is all
part of this. But what Jason was saying was fascinating
to me because it really did tie in just in
different length. Well, my son. I was picked up my
son and I'm seeing him for four years. He's thirty

(01:24:25):
three and he's been off in Thailand Balley and we
were chatting about this on the way back and he
was saying, yeah, I was chatting about that interview and
he was saying, yeah, it's really basically all the things
that have been in those old yogic texts that have
been just given a different name. Now, you know, we
say this is a simulation, but before it was just

(01:24:48):
this is unity consciousness. Everything is all won and connected.
And when we find what did I find? It was
like when I research anything or was researching diet, and
everybody says different things. But the more common threads you
can find that people are saying, the more it's like, ah,
maybe that might be something. Have you done that way?
You could? You know, so you can find the most

(01:25:08):
brilliant things from somebody who ninety percent disagree with. And
that's the problem as well. And I think it also
a lot of it comes back to Tearian and vegan
diets to give people a very black and white thinking,
like you've said such and such, so I can never
take anything else you say seriously again, you know, like
a friend of mine came around a little while ago.

(01:25:30):
He's lovely guy who is my OGI buddy back in
the eighties, and I love him dearly, but we always
get into a bit of an argument about mean versus vegetarianism.
But they said, well, it's kind of like the climate hoax,
and you just went you've said that. Now I can't
take anything else. You say, seriously, yes, and yeah, it's
that black and white thing instead of seeing the gray

(01:25:50):
and just all of us a little sense organs of
the infinite that are processing the big computer in the
way that that we're intended to do, and all of
us have little parts of the truth. So totally discount
anybody they have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
They won't keep us divided in as many ways as possible,
from the religious aspects, to the racial aspects, to political,
economic everything, to keep us in completely opposite camps, because
if we come together, that's dangerous. That's the most dangerous

(01:26:23):
for them, because we start to figure out that it
is really a deception that we are being divided and
pushed away, that there is all this gray area in
the middle that is being hidden from us. And I
think what happening now is more and more people are
starting to open their eyes to that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I do hope. So, you know, I think that desire
is an interesting one to bring in here, because you know,
all the Eastern religions the sort of say you need
to be desireless. Any desire are evil, particularly sexual desires,
my God, and the desire for a nice, fat stake.
That's really evil.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
But we're given these desires as humans, so why would
we fight against them all the time? And even interests
and you know, don't do this, don't do that. All
these rules are brought in. I mean, when I think
of my own life, I've been a drummer for fifty
three years now, and even following that spiritual path, I thought, right,
I'm giving up drumming and I'm going to do that.

(01:27:28):
Why did I need to do that? Why could I
not run thember both at the same time. Because subtly
you're told, oh, you need to meditate morning and evening,
you need to go to bed early. You know, you
don't need loud music. You just need to listen to
gandharva music, sit on tableau and stuff like that, you know,
back in the day, back in the eighties. And eventually
I just I got sick of it and started playing
drums again. But in the area that I was, you know,

(01:27:50):
just about to go to music school and really study,
I'd probably be a far better drummer than I am now.
I get by, you know, but it sort of takes
away from people's lives, and I see, somebody, this is
not across the board, because, as my son pointed out
to me yesterday, there are a load of very very
successful meditators, but a lot of them who get into
it because the techniques are wonderful. You know, you sit there,

(01:28:13):
you meditate great. I don't have a problem with the techniques,
but it's all the other stuff that goes with it,
and it does turn some people into very snowvaky kind
of sheep, and it's sad. It's very sad. And then
there's sort of people go, oh, I need to be
in bed by nine every night. Nothing that there's wrong
with having your circadian rhythm sorted, but if your favorite

(01:28:33):
band comes to town, hey make an exception. I have
some fun. Not oh, I can't do that anymore because
I need it, you know what I mean. And they've
also ignored their careers. They've not done much. They've done
I've I've been victim to it myself, and I don't
blame that because it's all our own choice in the end.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Yeah, I mean, I have a perfect example of this.
I love my parents to death, they're amazing people. But
when I was growing up, I remember specifically my dad saying,
you have to become successful in either a job like
me or your uncle who was a doctor, or something
along those lines. If you're going to have any happiness

(01:29:12):
or success in your life, you're gonna have to go
with one of these choices, these jobs, these approved jobs,
society approved jobs, or you're not gonna be happy, You're
gonna be a degenerate. You get all these different things.
I grew up playing it or in different bands. Never
was that encourage In fact, it was always discouraged to

(01:29:35):
the point where you shouldn't be doing that. You should
be focusing on your studies, you should be focusing on
other things. That is never going to get you anywhere.
And like I said, I love my parents to death,
but I know this is just their mentality. They are
a product of the fifties, the forties and fifties. They're
from that generation, so they have that work ethic type

(01:29:59):
mentality drilled into their heads. But it is a perpetuating
thing for different generations to have experienced this lack of
support for creativity.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Basically, yeah, absolutely, And I think you only really realize
how many mistakes it's so easy to make when you
become a parent. You know, the mistakes I made with
myne my eldest son is thirty three. We're quite significant,
you know, on many levels, and I'm trying not to
make them again with my younger kids who are fourteen

(01:30:35):
and eight. But some strange things happen. You know, you
were mentioning an astrology and you know, the stars and
all that kind of thing, and if you get the
sort of pure knowledge of Joetish the Vada castrology, it
can be so incredibly accurate for seeing the trends in
your life, that kind of thing. And also I wonder

(01:30:57):
sometimes how how things go around. You know, everybody wonders
what happens after death, ever, and to me my view
of it, although I don't know any better than anybody
else obviously, but it's almost like you have a glass
of water and it gets it back into a pond
and then scooped out again, and then some people there

(01:31:19):
might be some of the same molecules of water, but
not many, which is maybe why so many people who
who presuming the ones who aren't just lying, say that
they were Joan of Arc or a Napoleon or something
like that in their past life. But some weird things happen.
It's like when my Missuss was pregnant with our youngest son.

(01:31:41):
I said, let's call him Peter, after my dad. Now
I've never been into that sort of thing, and he
was and she said, yeah, cool, okay. And I don't
why I said it, really, naming people after people, I've
never really thought. I just thought about it in the moment.
And then when he was born. My missus is in Tanzania,

(01:32:02):
her mum is still in Tanzania. And when my daughter
was born, we phoned up and said, have you got
a middle name, you know? And she made up some
nice thing about sort of you know, Sammayo, sort of
little bits of some other people's name. It was cool.
We thought, all right, we'll get her to make up
Pieter a nice middle name, and she said, yeah, Charles,

(01:32:24):
And I said, well, that's weird because it's an English name.
But the weirdest thing is it was my dad's middle name.
Out of all the millions of names that she could
have picked, she picked that. So it's kind of Peter
Charles scot the second. And there's so many little characteristics
about him. And I wonder. Somebody said to me once
that that he is your dad. He is your dad

(01:32:45):
who's come back whether he's my whole dad or a
little bits of my dad, who knows. But this time
I think he's got it a bit differently because you
look at his Jota's chart, and it's like, this kid's amazing.
I mean, not only has he only ever eaten sort
of breast milk and meat, really, and so he's all
muscly and incredibly fit and dinse and you know, real healthy,

(01:33:06):
like a little bodybuilder. But he's extremely bright and loving.
But also he has a Jog's chart that he is
wonderful with all sort of planets in all the right places,
and so I'm fascinated to see what he's going to
be when he grows up. Sometimes I think maybe I
was just here to bring my kids into the world,
because they're all absolutely brilliant, and we try not to

(01:33:28):
make these mistakes, and I try to encourage them in
certain ways of what they desire, you know, and deprogram
them when they come back from school, and encourage them
in the way they desire, but also maybe to make
sure that it does it does offer them some kind
of career. Because my dad was the opposite of yours.
He was so supportive and just paid for everything and

(01:33:50):
molly coddled me that I ended up kind of emotionally
retarded by a certain age, you know, when I should
have been a lot more grown up trying to figure
things out. You know, you need a new drum kit. Yeah,
I have a new dru don't. Oh, you're just playing
music now. You can't pay your electricity bill. I'll pay that,
you know what I mean. I mean it was he
was very supportively, wonderful, wonderful guy, my dad. But again,

(01:34:11):
you can go on way or the other. So I'm
trying to fall kind of in the middle with my kids.
But I think it's so important. Why also I do
bang on about the whole diet thing is that I
think if they do have some of the genetics I
have to have this sort of crippling arthritis or some
other kind of autoimmunity, they do not need cricket flower
and beyond burgers, you know, they don't need rice, and

(01:34:32):
now they need meat, and they're trying to ban it now.
And I think it's a fundamental thing for us to
to get rid of the division. You know, Ben and
I did our food conspiracy talk live the other day
at a at a at a sort of group called
new Horizons that are very much into conspiracies, UFOs, all

(01:34:52):
kinds of things, and he's had me on a few
times talking about everything from spiritual awakening to diet and autoimmunity,
and it was easing afterwards. There was a lot of
vegetarians in the audience, and we were pitching this talk
at the people who had woken up about everything else
but were still stuck in the vegetarian and vegan thing,
and apart from one very militant vegan and I know

(01:35:12):
her and nothing's going to change her mind, it was
glaring at us all the way through. You know. There
were a lot of other ones who came up afterwards
and said, we're shocked you've presented that so well. I'm
blown away. And we got a bunch of people signing
up to our Big Fat Challenge and whatever to you know,
to have more of these ancestral disconnects. Explained, it's not
just meat that we go on about, you know, and

(01:35:36):
it was it was lovely to see them seeing through
it and taking that last bit of a leap, because
it is so much, so many people are caught up
in that, you know, without saying, without seeing for me,
it would be so easy. Let's look at what the
elites are pushing and then go the other way. But
it isn't that obvious for so many people because a

(01:35:56):
lot of the time, the sort of moral superiority and
spirit virtuality has caught up with it and with them
and trapped them in this whole plant based thing. I mean,
and the aggression that happens supposed to be compassionate, but
to me, I think very often, when the brain isn't
fueled by the natural fats and cholesterol anginance, you know

(01:36:18):
that it's actually made of and that it needs. The
people progressive and their bodies are almost in hunting mode.
I mean, the things that people have said to me
on my YouTube channel, you know, death threats. I hope
your kids get taken away. I hope you die of
you know. I used to get horrific things like that,
and it's gone down a bit now, but quite often,

(01:36:41):
you know, a couple of years later, they'll come to
me for some help and say, you know this has
gone wrong. That's gone wrong. My joints have gone my
thu's gone wrong, my ass has exploded. You know, something's
gone wrong, and they come for some help, and very
much you see these people say, Wow, how is I
so militant? How could I not see this? How was
I so stuck on that viewpoint? And I think, you know,

(01:37:03):
we go into this very deeply in our new Red
Pill Food Revolution book that's that's just coming out that
I wrote with Ben and a couple of other guys,
a couple of other great authors, and and honestly it
was it was eye opening to look through the history
of how this has happened and how every time, you know,

(01:37:24):
the elites have eaten meat and then fed the slaves
a slave diet, some kind of grain. And I mean
even back with the Gladiators. People think that they look
like they do in the Hollywood films of Gladiators, but
they didn't. They were kind of they were fat guys,
you know, and they'd feed them up with all these
these grains. And they were owned. They were slaves. And

(01:37:48):
so if you're fat, you take a few more sword
cuts before it gets to somewhere, you know, some vital organ.
And it's it's fascinating to look back and see how
this has been done because they're expendable, uselessly as they
call us.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Now, now I want to get your thoughts on the
modern humans' ability to absorb the nutrients that is in
the food that we're eating. I hear from different sources
and different researchers talk about that the bacteria in our
mouths and in our stomach is not allowing a lot

(01:38:23):
of the nutrients that our bodies need to be absorbed correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
What do you think about that? Well, I think the
whole theory of the microbiome is a very new science.
There are trillions of bacteria in there that change day
to day depending on the sunlight you get, the stress
you get, the food you eat. Nobody understands it. So
what I like to think about it in terms more
of is gut permeability. I have a great thing called

(01:38:52):
doctor Sopia Clemens, and she runs Paleo mediciner in Hungary,
and the clinical results they're getting with what they call
their PKD dietithic paetogenic diet is miraculous. I mean, they're
reversing all kinds of cancer, all sort of stuff. And
as somebody who suffers with autoimmunity myself, the difference even
between eating a regular carnival diet that has eggs, dairy, pork,

(01:39:15):
chicken in that kind of thing and going to just
fatty beef and lamb is enormous. Once the gut and
it will have a microbiome component. Once the gut's really
not absorbing anything. When you're really strong, you can eat
anything and you see your body seems to absorb the
nutrients from it. But this is the magical thing about
the Actually, if you look on my YouTube channel or whatever,

(01:39:38):
I just did a full interview. If anybody's watching this
with any autoimmunity, go and watch that one I just
did with Sofia Clemence. We go really deep into all
of this stuff and she's amazing. But once the gut's leaky,
which is often the root of autoimmunity because the proteins
can get through and then it confuses a body, then
it appears to attack its certain tissue. Once the gut's leaky,

(01:40:00):
really you have to go back to that fatty beef
and lamb and have no plant toxins because I think
I mentioned last time. You know, forget all the seed
oils and grains that everybody pretty much knows are bad now,
but you know one hundred and thirty six carcinogens in
an organic Brussels sprout sixty and the least toxic vegs.
You know, and you see that in y over the
over the years, in the decades, that the microbiome gets

(01:40:22):
readjusted in the wrong way. That not that we understand
which way exactly, but the gut becomes leaky, and then
you don't absorb food. Now the body has to deal
with these plant toxins so much that, for example, if
you eat a steak and a salad, you're going to
get far more nutrients if you eat that same steak

(01:40:45):
without the salad, because they have anti nutrients in them.
They did a study a while ago with oysters that
really demonstrated this. They took a group of people, split
it and split them into three. They want to see
whether if the zinc levels increased, So they they gave
them the first group just oysters. They gave the second

(01:41:08):
group oysters and black beans, the third group oysters and tortillas.
The group that just ate the oysters, the zinc levels
in the in the body shot up. In the in
the the group who ate the black beans, the zinc
levels didn't go up much. And if you eat it
ate it with tortillas, there was no increase in the
zinc levels. So even the people who say, yeah, meat
is quite healthy, but you need your five a day
and you need your carbohydrates, you're not getting the nutrition

(01:41:31):
out of that meat. This this explains to me the
incredible healing we're seeing by eating absolutely nothing but the
foods that they say are the most dangerous and are
causing Greta Thumberg to get really upset with the global
I mean it, it is nonsense, but if you if

(01:41:51):
you look into how it's happening, you know where it's
like when vegetarians add a little bit of a little
bit of fish, a little bit of chicken, a little
bit of eggs, and they think, you know, someone's told
them they're getting a bit weedy, a bit sick, they
need to add that, and then it doesn't work, you know.
But I think we went into that a bit last time.
That the absorption depends on the gut integrity. So the

(01:42:14):
more the gut is sealed up and the more the
microbion becomes readjusted, and the better you can absorb food.
And then if you're I would say, would anybody not
say that the ideal diet for a human is the
one that has the most nutrients and the fewest toxins,
and there is only one thing that ticks those boxes,

(01:42:34):
and that's meat. Now again I've got to say I'm
not militant. I think everybody should have the choice to
do exactly what they want. But if they understand this
stuff and then they get into trouble, then they know
what to do instead of being like me. It took
me three years to figure that out, you know, going
first raw vegan and then this, then that, and then
thinking plants were essential, and then you know, all of

(01:42:55):
that kind of thing until I landed on carniv and
then suddenly there was kind of miraculous healing. And I
only did it as most of us do as as
a real last resort, you know, we everything else has failed.
Whereas vegans and vegetarians, it's very often their first experiment,
you know, they see a couple of those propaganda films

(01:43:15):
that are criminal misinformation, and they'll they'll jump on the
vegan bandwagon and then they say that they know everything
because all through those vegan propaganda films they say this
is science, that's science, and as we know, science is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
That word has been weaponized, weaponized.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Totally, and all of these studies are just nonsense. My
friend Anthony CHAFEI he's a you know, he look him
up on YouTube as a carnival neurocerona looks like a
Greek god, you know, and he just he just says,
you know, when they say studies show that vegetarianism is
more healthy, it's just simple compared to what compared to
people eating twinkie bars and pizzas all day long. You know,

(01:43:55):
you compare it to a carnivore diet, and it's then
it's going to really show something up. I mean, half
did some study recently there doesn't seem to be corrupt,
and they you know, about two thousand people and they
gave them carnival diet and the amount of conditions it
reverse was amazing. Soctly they will do more studies. But
these things never get on the mainstream. You know. Everybody
does get on the mainstream saying meets okay, then somebody

(01:44:17):
else will pop them and go well, as long as
you only eat a few ounces a week and still
eat if I other day and I'm standing there in
front of the television going fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Well for the audience that may not have seen your
last period appearance, maybe we could touch on the actual
dangers of consuming only vegetables, but if you are a vegetarian.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Yeah, well you know, to me, I think sometimes look
back at those thirty years of study I did in
diet and got it wrong for all of those years,
and I think, well, why didn't I just look at
a cave painting. You know, there's there's there's one one dude,
one spear, one mammoth, no rock, none of that stuff.
It isn't there. And even if you look in the

(01:45:04):
old text, you know in a Bible, they didn't celebrate
coming home with the fattid turnip. Today it was a
fatid calf. And this is what we have always prized
above thing else. And so the dangers of coming off
that diet too much are well, it's the ingestion of

(01:45:26):
plant toxins is a real big one. But you know,
the big thing that people have mostly realized now is
the grains are not very good for humans. I always say,
you know, if you think that you're eating bread and
you're healthy, if you're adapted to grains, if you look
in the mirror and see whether you've got a beak
or an exoskeleton, and if you haven't you're probably not

(01:45:47):
adapted to grains, and they're going to hurt you sooner
or later. But what people don't realize as well is
all the toxins in the plants and the fruit and
vegs that we eat these days didn't exist more than
two hundred years ago. Wasn't in the shops. If you
took once some indigenous tribes person around a supermarket these days,

(01:46:08):
they wouldn't recognize any of that stuff. And they don't
eat the stalks and leaves. They know that they're toxic.
They use them for certain medications, and that's where a
lot of armications come from. But they didn't and normally,
actually more often than not, they used as sort of
external applications for affection, stuff like that. But they don't
eat that stuff. They'll eat tubers when they're starving when

(01:46:32):
the hunts failed. They'll eat some nuts and berries in
the autumn, depending on their latitude. Obviously, the Inuit eat
none of that, and they'll eat honey, you know, in
Africa they love it. We're all sugar addicts. They go
and bloat out on it every few weeks and they
don't have it every day. And so when there's this
constant onslaught and it's also I mean, my friend also

(01:46:52):
have another absolutely brilliant doctor, a neurosurgeon called Jack Cruse,
who wrote the foreword to my book. He has a
great phrase that he says, if the light that goes
into your eyes doesn't match the food that goes into
your stomach, there will be mitochondrial disruption. And you know
that points to eating seasonally in nature. When we ate

(01:47:15):
these things seasonally, when we ate fruits, when we ate berries,
stuff like that, there was no harm done to us
because we would have months in between to get rid
of any toxin we got in from them. And it
wasn't major toxins like grain, seed oils, you know, all
of that kind of thing, and the green veg which
is going to annoy a few people, but I consider
that to be you know, having had the kidney stones

(01:47:35):
myself from the oxalate build up from spinach smoothies, I
do know how dangerous they are. And loads of other
people have had this too. It's well documented one hundred
years ago or more that well, probably a couple of
hundred years now that oxalates, you know, they this is
one of the worst plass to plant toxins if not

(01:47:56):
the worst. Microscopically, they're like little glass shit and they
stick in every organ of the body. They stick in
the thyroid, they stick in the prostate, ovaries, stick in
the joints, and they're very difficult to get rid of.
And if you've had a big overload of them, like
I did, it can take literally decades to get rid
of them. And they can dump in waves. And if
anyone's stressed in that, just have a look at Sally K.

(01:48:19):
Norton's new book called Toxic Superfoods, and she was on
my past my Red Pill buddher podcast as well, which
you find on my YouTube channel too, but her talk,
you know, on oxalates there it's frightening where you get
them from. And basically they're really high in things like
dark chocolate that we think is so healthy. We we

(01:48:40):
eat a lot of almonds, turmeric, spinach, that kind of thing,
very high and in the grains, and these plant toxins lodge
in the body as well as the actual physical disruption
that they cause to the gut as they go down,
like swallowing a brillo pad. I mean, there's an old myth,
isn't there. Everybody thinks you need fiber, and this is

(01:49:01):
what a load of people ask. So you're a carnivore,
how do you ever have a dump? You must be
so constipated. As I was on Sean Baker, but he's
like the big sort of carnival doc dude, who's the
probably most famous carnival in the world. And I was
on his podcast and we were talking about this and
having a laugh. I said, look, my thirds could be
on the front of the Bristol stool chart Glamour calendar.

(01:49:22):
They're perfect. But whereas when I was a vegetarian, a vegan,
you know, I was going to the toilet like six
times a day. I had ibs with it, and so
many people do. And they find out when they come
into this that the gut heals up again and just
the gut symptoms go away. So we are we Yes,
we are omnivores in a way, but we are more
facultative carnivores. Our guts are more like a hyena. They're

(01:49:45):
nothing like a gorilla. Embarrassingly, I wrote that in my
first book. Well, yes we like the apes. No we're
not their hind gut fermentors. They are designed to eat
fifty pounds of dried vegetation a day and they're eating
pooh to get their victim and you know their their
B vitamin B twelve. And so when vega, yeah, I

(01:50:06):
that kind of a diet, I say, well, try it
like a gorilla. Try fifty pounds of dry vegetation today
and your own pooh. See how you get on and
he does. So we're not adapted. We're basically not very
well adapted to plants.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Everything we're presented is designed to keep us from reaching
our full human potential. And I want to talk to
you about the nature of disease and what we understand
is cancer. I had an interesting guest on the other day.
He goes by the Greek and it's of his opinion
that what we're seeing as cancer is our body just

(01:50:44):
warning us that there is something wrong and that we
need to change a behavior or our diet or something
that we're doing to our body that is causing these blockages.
But what we do in with modern medicine, as we
go see a doctor and they say we have cancer,
and then they give us the drugs that proceed to

(01:51:05):
kill us, when in reality, all we have to do
is change an aspect of our lifestyle. What do you
think about that, I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Think he's absolutely spot on. I mean, cancer is pretty
much a healing process. It's it can be you know,
there's there is confused cell replication, and this can be
down to several things, usually more than one thing at once.
It can be down to stress, it can be down
to lots of artificial light ruining our circadian rhythms. It

(01:51:39):
can be down to all the wrong foods. And not
only are you taking in these plant toxins that can
also trigger unusual cell replication, but you're also taking in deuterium.
And deuterium is is the you know, it's heavy water basically,
and the higher deuterium content of your water and your diet,
the more it blows up the nanomotors in the my chondrift.

(01:52:01):
I think we touched on that last time. But so
anything that causes that. So seed oil is very very dangerous,
very high in deuterium, and it doesn't come out if
you get via carbs. It's high in fruit, high in grains,
things like that. We would have only had a little
bit of it in the autumn, you know, at the
end of the summer, we'd have had some berries. We've
taken some deuterium in and that would have flushed out,

(01:52:22):
but now we're taking it in every single day, we're
under artificial light everything, So the unusual cell replication. And
a controversial thing that was that Sofia was talking about
Sofa Clement's and palium mediciner because I was at some
food conference with her a couple of weeks ago with
Ben and she mentioned something that kind of blew me away,
and she said raw dairy is worse than pasteurizeddairy. And

(01:52:47):
I said, wow, No one believes that what's going on?
But I have an open mind. I'm not going to
argue with that. I whant to hear what she says.
And it's very interesting because that with the growth futters
undamaged in the milk over time, that can cause unwanted
cell replication because milk is designed to make a small
animal into a large animal, right, but once you're a

(01:53:10):
large animal, you don't need it anymore. No species in
nature drinks milk. I'm with the vegans of that. Although
dairy is wonderful. It's absolutely delicious and if I could,
I'd eat it all day long, blocks of cheese, cream, everything,
and it's fantastic. It's gorgeous. But then a lot of
people say, well, oh, I have problems with dairy, but
don't have it now that I have raw dairy. But
those are the immediate symptoms. So if they have pasteurized

(01:53:34):
milk where they've destroyed the enzymes, then they travel their
lactose intolerant and they get some symptoms, whereas if they
eat milk they don't get those symptoms, but some of
the growth factors are more intact, which then down the
laws more problems with cell replication. So you know, lacto
over Vegetarians are also taking in the milk as well,

(01:53:55):
and a lot of people do great. I mean, if
somebody has diabetes or something, you can eat high fat
dairy meat, pork, chicken, eggs, everything, you will reverse your
diabetes really quickly. It's a very very very simple condition.
To reverse cancer is a little more difficult. So another
thing that I've seen, you know, as well as sofia's
research on cancer is you know where they're reversing it

(01:54:20):
on a very very high fat carnival diet, which you
could also point towards the deuterium because animal fats are
the lowest deuterium food as well as well as being
very nourishing and having all their essential fatty acids and
all the fat soluble vitamins which plant oils don't have.
They're also low in deuterium and they hydrate the body,

(01:54:40):
causing the body to create its own deuterium depleted water
within the cells, which will help the body not to
get things like tumors. However, if you do have cancer,
I mean I wouldn't. I'm not saying I recommend this,
but I've seen incredible results. There's a lot of research
from Russia on this is dry fast because another myth

(01:55:01):
at myth is that we die after three days with
no water. Now, maybe if you're walking around in the
desert you might that might happen if you're totally dehydrated
sweating all of that thing. But you know, I've done
I've not done much, but I've done a four day
dry fast. I wasn't even particularly thirsty after four days.
It goes away after a day, and if you do
there's a magical number apparently about eleven days. If you

(01:55:25):
do an eleven day dry fast, it pretty much blows
up any tumor because all you're doing is you're taking
away the onslaught that is in the body, because the
only thing that really heals cancer is the human body.
Because when you see cancer reversing, like I think I
went into my own mother's breast cancer reversing. You can
see a film of that on a video on my

(01:55:49):
YouTube channel about that, which is nicely shadow band because
they don't like that kind of thing on there. And
that was a cardimout and an id in protocol and
the breast cancer reversed. You can see all the skin
coming back to normal and everything where it was about
to ulcerrate through the skin. And you can do that
on a carnival diet, but you can also, I think,
probably do it quicker. I mean, I would say if

(01:56:10):
somebody is really panicked and they've been told they've got
a couple of months to live with pancreatic cancer, I
would say an eleven day dry fast is a very
very good option to try, because I've seen people come
out of that just that days with no tumors. When
they do reverse, they're very quick because Western medicine sometimes

(01:56:31):
they can blow up those tumors, but they don't blow
up the process that cause the problem in the first place,
and tumors are no big deal unless they're pressing on
an organ. If you've got a lump in the breast
and it's not ulcerating through the skin, it's not dangerous.
Use it as I to see if you're doing well,
and believe me, when it disappears, it can disappear very fast.
Very advanced case answer as well. But also, and this

(01:56:53):
very sadly, I've got a funeral next Tuesday of a
good musician friend of mine who was diagnosed with liver
cancer after finding out how hepatitis be and then they said, well,
the only time you can you can the only way
you can get rid of this tumor that we've also
found is to have a liver transplant. And then they said, oh,

(01:57:15):
we shouldn't have told you that, because if you've had
heap lightes B, you can't have a liver transplant. But
he was told, you know, he was given a certain
amount of time, but he died very very quickly. And
this often happens with people who are diagnosed with cancer.
They get given six months to live and they're dead
in a couple of weeks because of the fear I
mean also because of the crap that they pump them
full of, which they say, might or might not give

(01:57:37):
you an extra day of life and will make your
life a misery of vomiting and hair loss in the meantime.
But even if they get rid of those the tumors
and they're supposedly free of cancer, very often it comes
back more aggressively after five years because they've ruined the
bodily systems. And this also seems to happen on people
who reverse cancer on things gerson therapy, duicing. That's kind

(01:58:01):
of vegan thing when down the line the plant toxins
build up. But I think, yeah, the cancer is just
something where the body has become confused the cell replication
goes wrong. Even if it is going wrong, I mean,
there are theories that those tumors build up around areas
of high toxicity to encapsulate them and save the rest
of the body from them. But if the detox pathways

(01:58:24):
aren't working, then the body can't release it. But once
you get those detox pathways working again, then the body
can release those, so then the body will dissipate the
tumor and away go and the process will stop as well.
But we've all got cancer as cells in us. At
any given time, the body just mops them up. But

(01:58:45):
it's when it gets out of control. So what happens
we have to switch on that system again and that
nothing in western medicine does that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
Right, And it's if people would understand the connection to
like you said, fear in our emotional state and the
detriment that that can call on our body. Even if
we're eating the right foods. If we have all this
fear and stress, it's still not going to heal like
it should.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
Totally. This is why you know, in our Big Fact Challenge,
we we go through all of this and take take
people through it and support them day to day. And
we got videos on it and everything because I see
it like it sort of spoke of it, and they
are all these spokes to health, whether it's light magnetism,
the mfs that we're pummeled with, whatever they're firing out

(01:59:38):
of the planes in the sky, you know, the stresses
from financial issues, bad relationships, jobs that you hate that
you think you have to have to to sort of
get on in life, and and the diet and all
of this adds up. It's it's you can't take one thing.

(01:59:58):
I mean, the danger is that a lot people would
do something like, you know, take cannabis oil or something,
and some people take that and they say, oh, it
cured my cancer. Well, great that they might, but they're
very lucky. There's thousands of people that it doesn't. And
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. You know,
it's a hell of a lot better than pharmaceuticals. But again,

(02:00:18):
they kind of co opted it and they made it
into this CBD or a ligit tune for it. And
I say, you know, if you're going to try it,
go down to your local dodgy d doround the corner
and get some proper Rick Simpson oil, you know, get yeah, yeah,
and get the proper stuff. And that might well do
some good because the more we mess about with these things.
But it's only a polishing agent. And I have this

(02:00:40):
expression of like, hose the mud off the car before
you polish it. There's no point polishing your car if
it's money, So take all the things away, you know.
I have an autoimmunity course out there called the Subtraction Method,
and it's about finding out in each person's life what's
gone wrong. You know, what are you doing? Are you
up at nights staring into your phone? With no sort
of blue blocker of software on it or whatever. You're

(02:01:03):
doing that right through the night in the middle of
the winter, eating a load of fruit, thinking it's nice
and paleo, you know, and you're stressed out, you're not
sleeping at the right times, you have none of the
repair mechanisms going at night, and you're eating a load
of carbohydrates and junk food, and you know this is
not working. But you've got to look at all of
these things. And then when you've got all of those

(02:01:24):
obvious things, then the interesting stuff happens, which is stuff
that you've talked about as well, which is going back
to your fears and your stresses and your traumas in
childhood or in sort of past or parallel lives or
whatever it is, and going into that and that's when
the real detective work starts, and then it becomes fun.
But if you get the rest of them sorted, you're

(02:01:47):
going to find that you have far fewer symptoms and
far fewer issues while you work on that. Because I
remember thinking, when I was really sick and in tremendous pain,
oh yeah, I've got to go do all the sort
of spiritual thing. I'll meditate all the time. I'll do this,
and I'll do that. There isn't anything really that inspiring
in a spiritual level, being in that magany that you

(02:02:07):
can't really focus on anything. And so you know, if
that's why people say, you know, why do you recommend
the carnival diet because it might be the main cause.
Diet might not be the main cause of what's got
wrong with you. But if you're still taking in the
plant toxins, which you are now with a leaky gart
no longer particularly protected against. The quickest way to get

(02:02:31):
rid of those symptoms and to get everything to calm down,
it's just eat fatty meat. And then the symptoms calmed
down even before the gaps are properly And so then
you can say, right now, I can take a step back.
I'm not just sitting there going poor me, I'm in
terrible agony and am I going to die? And all
of that. Now things have calmed down, and you get
confidence to go on the way, you know, and then

(02:02:52):
look deeper and deeper. And I do say, you know,
some people get rid of the symptoms just with a
carnival diet, and that's great, But then I still say
to them, Well, what were the symptoms? Which part of
the body was it? Was it in get one of
these great books that relates the emotions to different parts
of the body, because you know, you say to her, rheumatologist,
why is it my right knee and not my left

(02:03:12):
knee or vice versa or something like that. They have
no idea. Oh, it's just luck, it's just this. It's
a bit, is it really? Or is it that certain
emotions go into the right hand side of the body
because it's more connected with the male energy, the left
side more to do with the female energy. All of
that kind of thing, and different parts of the body
to do with different fears, different different emotional imbalances, and

(02:03:34):
you get. I mean Louise Tay started sort of thing,
didn't she with her Well she didn't really. I mean
it's been probably every every shaman in every tribe is
known about this to some extent or another. But you know,
Louise hey made it popular. And there's another book by
in a Seagull called The Secret Language of Your Body,
which is beautiful as a reference book if anything goes wrong.

(02:03:55):
I mean she even goes down to individual vertebrae of
you know, if you had a problem and what that
might relate to emotions. And to me, that's a beautiful
study because then you can get deeper and even if
you've shut the symptoms off with the carnival diet, maybe
you're not completely healed yet. It's not a magic bullet.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
This dangerous information fail. You're a dangerous man. I'm glad
you're still on YouTube presenting this information that people need
to hear. Let's close on this. You were talking about
gurus earlier, and i'd like touch on the possible dangers
of becoming too entrenched in some of these spiritual practices

(02:04:37):
and following some of these gurus. I'd be hard pressed
to find any spiritual guru that has been around over
a couple of decades that hasn't had some major terrible
skeletons dug out of their closet, the revelations that they
are not at all what they seem. And this seems

(02:04:59):
to happen as time goes on. Many of these what
you would call spiritual gurus are outed as anything but that.
So what being that you have explored many of these practices,
what can you tell people are caution them about spiritual gurus?

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
Just don't put anyone on a pedestal. You know, these
people are just humans, just like you and me. There's
nobody who is incredibly special. Some people have wonderful skills
and they'll share them, wonderful abilities, that kind of thing.
But when it gets to sort of disciples kneeling in
front of them stuff, I think the age of the

(02:05:41):
guru is over. There's an expression that the next Buddha
is the sanger, you know, the sanger being the collective,
And that's how we need to think of it now.
We need to re enjoy our own sovereignty and our
own spiritual sovereignty and follow our own intuition. Intuition is
an incredible skill, and when people get too too wound

(02:06:03):
up with specific gurus, they tend to lose their intuition.
And you know, they start the sentence with so and
so whoever your guru is in this space says, you know,
it's not like, well, what do you think, what is
your experience? What have you discovered? Because you are a
part of that universal program that is just as valid

(02:06:24):
as somebody else, and you need to trust your own intuition,
your own visions, your own desires. All of this kind
of thing. Now. I don't think there's anything wrong with
a lot of the techniques. I mean, if you want
to take up yoga, if you want to do pranium
and breath work, and you want to do meditation, all
of these things are extremely valid and they're very, very useful.

(02:06:44):
But it's when you get stuck in that cult behavior.
And even these days, it can go wrong when the
cults are forming without even a guru at the top,
and you've got to watch them as well, like you know,
the whole sort of co enthusiasts and veganism and stuff
like that, which is causing tremendous division. And that's what

(02:07:08):
you have to watch out for, because you get you know,
some people in one spiritual group will well. Then even
though it brought home to me when you know, my my,
my missus meditates, and it's a slightly it's a different
guy who taught her to who taught me. You know,
it's a different tradition, different group of people, and it

(02:07:28):
comes from the same tradition. It's pretty much the same technique.
And yet I remember taking her into the dome and
somebody in there saying to her, oh, how long have
you been meditating? You said, oh, yeah, quite well, but
it's not tim and it was like, oh dear, oh,
it was like, you know, that's the wrong one. You've
got the wrong mantra or something. It's weird. And then
I went to one of her gatherings with her kind

(02:07:50):
of people and how long have you been meditating or
since the early ages? All, wow, you've been meditating a
long time. Yeah, yeah, but not this one. I do something.
Oh dear, you know, and you get you get that
kind of thing. It's ridiculous to me, It's absolutely ridiculous.
So I would say watch anything that causes division or
says this is the only way. You know, there are

(02:08:10):
many ways to do everything, And we're programming to be
unique individuals within that super consciousness, within that Cashik field,
and we need to we need to know, have confidence
in our own intuition. And could I could I just
finish with a little story that occurring to me since

(02:08:33):
the beginning of this these Covid times. And it was
the most lucid dream I've ever had, and I have
a lot of lucid dreams. I have some a lot particularly.
You can use that old Carlos Castaneda Don Juan technique
of finding your hands, you know, and solidifying your dream.
And that technique works very well for me, and it
has over the years. But before I knew that it

(02:08:55):
was again, probably around eighty five. I think I'd learned
to meditate, but I hadn't done what called the city
course powers where you learn these various powers that are
ascribed to humans in the old text of Potangeally's Yogurt suits.
And then the last one that you learn is the
flying where you know, you bounce around in lotus position,

(02:09:18):
on your on your on your bum in the in
on pham mattresses. And it's very strange and I'm not
sure it has the uses that they say it does,
but it's quite. It's quite. But I was totally caught
up in it. Then I wanted my flying course. Anyway,
I had this dream, and it was it was before
I ever had any UFO experience, But basically I was

(02:09:41):
in a place. It looked like burming. It looked like
some kind of spaghetti junction with a city, loads of roads,
load of overpasses and whatever. And suddenly everything went into
sort of rainbow colors and it was coming out the
sky and it was like it was being destroyed. It
was almost being wiped clean, it felt, but it felt
pretty dangerous. And suddenly this craft sort of next to me,

(02:10:01):
and I got on with a bunch of my friends,
and oddly one friend who is my very best friend
back then, who died a couple of years ago, and
I was surprised he wasn't on it, and I wondered why,
because I felt that these were people who had kind
of woken up to a lot of things and they
were on this craft, and we'd been lucky enough to
get on this craft. And there was some humanoid kind

(02:10:23):
of pilot and he was sitting in lotus and hovering.
That was probably just me thinking about my flying course
and being over optimistic that I was ever going to hover,
and he sort of hovering over the controls and it
went up in the air and we were watching as
the planet was completely rearranged, and I thought it's being distrayed,
and he said, no, this is kind of a creative thing.
I said, when's it going to stop? And he said, well,

(02:10:45):
just about now. And the whole thing calmed down, and
this craft landed in this fairly barren field with long
grass and a few people wandering around, but there was
a feeling that the whole of the earth had been
kind of purified. All the problem, all the satanic influences,
everything had been washed away. And I felt at the

(02:11:05):
time that that would be very relevant to something in
the future, but I didn't really see it at the
time how it would be unfolding. And I remember walking
around this field in the dream, and I walked up
to somebody and said, well where are we and said, well,
look everything's been reset. It's beautiful here are there are
no more problems. And I said, well, what about my
flying course? Where am I going to learn that? And

(02:11:25):
he said to me, why the fact would you need
that right now? And it's been occurring to me so much.
I've thought about this dream and it was like thirty
years ago or more, and I think about it more
and more, and I feel that it really relates to
this time, and I just this has kept me going
a lot during this whole time where where people are

(02:11:47):
sort of black pilled and thinking whole thing's going to
be horrific. And I feel that that dream for me personally,
which is the sort of thing that spirituality would say,
don't take much notice of dreams. A lot of the spirituality,
but for me it does and that is so it's
like I had that dream last night, and for me,
I think it's the sort of allegorical dream of saying

(02:12:07):
that everything's gonna be okay, and I believe it is.
And I think you know, you and I both say
there's going to be some dodgy times. There's going to
be some weird times. But I feel that some way
or another, something's going to get wiped on this planet.
There's going to be a reset, but not the one
that they want. I feel we're going to be okay.
But in the meantime, I've got to fight my little

(02:12:27):
battles about meat and stuff like that and see where
it goes.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
Right on, Well, I love it, Phil as great note
to end on keep on being dangerous and presenting the
dangerous information we all need to hear it before you
head out. Remind the audience where they can find out
about you and more your content.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Sure, well, yes, the content. If you just put phil
Escott into Google or YouTube, I'm sure you'll find it.
But as I was saying to Chris earlier on, I've
messed up my YouTube channel. It's deleted all of my comments.
So don't think I'm rude, and I don't. I don't
respond because I do hundreds thousands of comments. They've all
disappeared because I've messed it up today. But the channel
is still there. But my consults you can find me

(02:13:11):
through my link tree under this or whatever. If you
have autoimmune you fancy a console. I love love seeing
people's healing stories and I can save you the years
that I wasted taking wrong turns. There. The thing that
we're doing at the moment, our main, our main thing.
Well before that, I'll say that probably our two main
things are at the Red Pill Revolution tom which you

(02:13:34):
can find again from my link tree. This is our books,
our Read Pill Revolution book and the Red Pill Food
Revolution that's coming out, and our Big Fat Challenge at
www dot the Big Fat Challenge dot com. And we've
got all sorts of things. I think Chris might put
something some other link up underneath hope for that one.
We'll see, we'll chat about that. But we have, you know,

(02:13:56):
all the instructional VIDs. We've got our challenges every week
for thirteen weeks. That's recorded content, ninety hours of our
daily coaching calls with our original members and a Q
and a every week so you can come and ask
us stuff. But we've over delivered on this so much.
You can even get PDF for the audiobook of the

(02:14:18):
Red Pill Food Revolution before it comes out. It's beautifully
narrated by Ben and it's a It is a wonderful book.
I can say that because Ben did most of the words,
well all of the worst from stuff that we we collaborate,
collaborated on, and so get over there. And yeah, just
please do not believe anything that the elites are saying
about our diet. If you want to find out what

(02:14:41):
we're supposed to eat, look at everything they're saying is
the worst thing to eat, and you won't go far wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Excellent Bill, Thank you so much. We will definitely be
doing this again in the future. And until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. We'll see
y'all then, assass

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