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is a private investigator, citizen journalist, and an active Canadian

(01:25):
disclosure uthologist.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
He is also a.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Private paranormal psychogenic investigator and creator of the Ultra Spectrum
classification system and founder of the Experiencer Support Association. Ryan, Welcome,
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I'm great? How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm excellent. It's great to have you on.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Your work involves some of my favorite topics and phenomena.
You collect data to assist in helping experiences understand why
they're experiencing this crazy and unexplained phenomena. This work is
very important for this community, and you're helping a lot
of people to gain an understanding of this unexplained phenomena

(02:07):
and things that they've experienced that maybe something that is
explainable or something that we may never even come close
to understanding. Now this is your first time on. Tell
us a little bit more about your background and what
led you to do this work.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Okay, well, I'm a private investigator. I own an operator
private investigating company called black Light invesigating surveillance services. We
also do private security alarm response and things like that.
So I've been doing that since two thousand and fifteen.
But I've been an investigator since two thousand and nine,
so I've always been involved with investigations. So growing up

(02:48):
as a child, you know, I was you know, a
typical fan of the X Files and you know and
all that other stuff I think with it, you know,
in Star Trek and whatnot. So I always always had
an interest in and you know, the but I was
more of a paranormal person. It was more paranormal ghosts, uh,
you know, and what than aliens. Now today I'm kind

(03:08):
of involved in the uthology disclosure movement, mainly, uh because
I think it's a scam welled in and then that
later the I guess the way I got sucked into
this is when I started my company. I was kind
of looking for something to do to keep my skills

(03:28):
sharpened or tools sharpened, if you will. And I am,
you know, I enjoying mouf on so the mutual UF
phone networks and I'm joy so skip you know, the
skipped the version on how I kind of found found
them untild that many times. But essentially with with with
move On Canada, I I I went as a field investigator,

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became the chief investigator for mouf On Canada Ontario, and
then I was the provincial director. Then I was the
national chief investor from move On Canada, and then I
became the national field trainer for MoveOn in general did
that for a little bit, and then I learned some

(04:10):
of the information about Jan harzan Uh and I was involved,
which led to you know, involved in passing information onto
the police, which eventually led to his arrest. So then
I left the organization, and well, I got pushed out
of the organization, and then what I decided to do
from there is create my own organization and try to

(04:33):
help everyone outside, like all all things on what we
call the ultra spectrum, so everything within all realms, so
not just aliens and UFOs or machines, government machines, you know,
like everything that's like strange and weird. So so I
kind of gave you like a boring, condensed version of

(04:54):
that because I'm like, I'm not I'm trying to move
away from from the history, but it is part of
history as to why I'm doing what I'm doing. But
I mean, it's dark, it's it's it's dingy, it's it's horrible,
like a whole horrible experience, but I mean it led
me to led me to helping more people. And where
that is coming from now with the experience or support
association is essentially put in the experiences first, because I

(05:17):
have hands on experience, knowing that it's the data that
they want, it's the clickbait that they want, it's the
marketing that they want. It's a money making machine. They
don't give a shit about the you know, about the
experience or they give it. They care about the experience, So,
you know, and there's a lot of being an investigator
still doing it on a daily basis. My job is to,

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you know, make sure that the evidence is the right evidence,
and the right people go to the right people go
to jail, and the right people are out of jail,
you know, things like that. Like I mean, like I
often review police evidence, you know, like I get in
very controversial situations. But my job is very important in
making sure that what you think you believe or what

(05:59):
you think has happened is what actually happened. And by
doing that along the way with all those groups and organizations,
I have yet to find any significant evidence that would
suggest that this UFO disclosure movement has anything to do
with aliens, ghosts, and consciousness. It's something human, it's something

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like normal, but for some reason we're getting drawn into
it and sucking to us. So I'm trying to separate
that to have an understanding. I do believe the phenomenon exists.
I do believe there's something happening. But this, this mainstream
game that I'm like stuck in, is not good for it.

(06:45):
I think it's part of the cover up or distraction
and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I agree with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
In fact, when you said that you know this whole
mainstream UFO thing is a scam, I got excited. This
is gonna be a good conversation. Now, let's what led
you to this. Let's start there. Like myself, I started
out looking for little green men coming through different from
different universes on tin cans, and my perception has changed vastly,

(07:13):
especially since I've had my own experiences, and I do
not believe that this is what we're experiencing. I think
it's much more of a spiritual or paranormal phenomenon. Like
you say, But I'd like to know what led you
to hit that point of understanding.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, I'm still learning, I am. I am. It is
a learning curve, I tell you, especially with in the
real job, the day job, I have to have physical evidence,
and in order to convey the point, A lot of
this stuff is impure, like is theory and speculative and
opinionated evidence. Mind you. By the way, I think for me,

(07:56):
the defining well not the defining moment, but the first
moment would be while working with mouf On when I
started to notice characteristics between the shadow figure phenomenon and
the alien abduction phenomenon. So there I started to normal

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notice commonalities between the captives in the sense that you know,
the the the experience or the witness or the victim
however you want to identify. You know, isn't a safe
confined area or what they believe to be a safe
confined area, and then all of a sudden, there's a
being or an entity inside their room. So I started

(08:38):
thinking in terms of like suspect put on the criminology hat.
You know, why would these guys do this? Why would
they why would they Why would they be so clumsy?
Why would they be so obvious? Well, like there's a
lot of careless mistakes. That's why I started to see
this kind of like this connection where maybe the there's
this underlying misunderstanding or interpretation of what is actually happening

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because of propaganda with media and all this other stuff too.
So perhaps the event is happening, but it's it's not
a ghost, it's not an alien, it's not a shadow figure.
It's just the beings are the sort of the people
are unable to interpret what's happening because they're in a
state of fear or a state of unknown, or maybe

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a state of unconsciousness because they're in because they're sleeping.
So what they end up doing is they end up
associating that event with something that they seem to be
interested in, which is not entirely accurate. Because when I
get into and then I started getting into regression hippotherapist therapy,
excuse me to try and repress enemy, sorry enemy, and

(09:47):
repress memories, and then I end up learning through regression
that sometimes in these experiences, these were human beings that
and they were victim of rape actually like from from normal,
like not normal, but like like human beings. So so
through their trauma, you know, something in the brain had

(10:08):
activated this this idea that it's better to live with
this understanding that it's a it's an extraterrestrial or a ghost,
instead of believing, you know, my stepfather did this and
or stepmother. You know, it goes both ways. So as
I started to deep dive into this, I started to
realize like, okay, well this is this no matter what
we call it. But there's not enough evidence to say

(10:29):
was the stepfather or or an alien or a ghost
or a shadow figure? Not not enough evidence to confirm
that through the through the witness testimony. But there's so
many people experiencing this intrusion and safe areas, and they
have a varius of descriptions for the for the captor.

(10:50):
So I've been trying to figure out, Okay, what are
these people have in common, and what's common? You know,
obviously is you know, sexual abuse, but I mean and
then that does happen with reptilians and all those theories too,
So there's something going on where something is happening. So my, my,
what I'm trying to do now with the what I

(11:11):
call the ultra spectrum classification system is to regroup and
recategorize the phenomenon so that way we can maybe properly
understand what it is we're looking for so we can
properly investigate. So if if the visitation occurs in the room,

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then we're looking for entry points to get into the room,
and that could be you know, physical, that can also
be spiritual or mental because now we have you know,
we have evidence of remote viewing, and what else do
we have, you know, psychic attacks, Like there's a lot
of you know, there's a you know, mk ultra, So
there's a lot of evidence of side evidence, the possibilities

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the technology is being used to manipulate the mind. So
something is happened to these specific people for a certain reason,
And that's where I'm starting to I'm trying to recategorize that.
So I wouldn't call that event an abduction. I would
call that a visitation, and then we would have to
The reason why I call it visitation is because we

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also have to look at so I'm a backup. I
have a background of criminology, so a lot of that
is trying to understand why the crime, why the person
committed the crime. Okay, so if if it was an
extraterrestial or if it was a ghost, you know, there's

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a lot of mistakes. There's a lot of stops and
hinders and things like that that could you know, that
kind of prevent them from being free from what we ununderstand.
There seems to be these confinements that that are usually
present with human beings. So there's commonalities with that and
to elaborate more on that. Essentially, we don't know if

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the beings that we're seeing, whether it's human or extraterrestrial
or paranormal, are aware that we're there, so we don't
actually have the testimony from the alien or from the
from the entity. So a lot of people are afraid
and fearful because they're in a place of safety, like
in their home. Those are locked all alone and make up,

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and there's something there that's terrifying. Right. But then yet again,
we don't know if these people are just there at
a happenstance and don't even realizing knowledge that we're there too,
unless you get into the aperientcial part where there's there's interactions,
So that's different altogether. So if through my studies, I'm
starting to kind of develop this theory where it's possible

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that the spiritual ones, the good ones, the divine ones,
they're able to make contact whenever they want to make contact.
They don't need these machines, they don't need these these constraints,
they don't need these uh, these functions in order to manipulate.
Whereas where I feel like the negative experiences seem to
be or project them to be more human interaction, so

(14:13):
government trying to do it or uh, you know, something
like that, and that's what makes the most sense to
me now either or not enough evidence to prove empirically
that that that they that that's what happens. But that's
what's common with people that I talk to, and that's
how I can try to normalize it. So it kind

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of went off in a in a in a different
direction there, but I hope that.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, no, that was great.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I want to because you there's a lot to unpac
in which you said, and I want to explore some
of these aspects of it first. The actual beings or
entities themselves. One of the most common that's always been uh,
you know, described as the great beings with the big eyes,
a little short ones or tall ones, and this is
a common kind of citing or experience with people who

(15:02):
have experienced this phenomenon. I wanted to get your take
on this because some have reported very physical interactions with this,
you know, the probing or and beyond that, of course,
you know, meeting hybrid children and experiments where they're on
a table and they can't move and they're being operated
on with the you know, equipment and things of that
nature and high technology, advanced technology everywhere. I want to

(15:23):
get your take on what this could possibly be if
not a genuine physical experience.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, so, I mean there's lots of layers there. I mean,
we have to it either all exists or not. If
it exists, some of it can't exist, Like it has
to all be there. So I always try to normalize this, Like,
in order for that to happen without anyone being able

(15:52):
to prove it, there's got to be a lot of
people in on it. So if extraterrestrials are capable of
hijacking us physically and mentally, you know, I'm sure the
government would have figured out by that because maybe why
if I was an extraterrestial race and that's what I
needed to do and that's how I did it to
take control of a host, I would control the government

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because the government's in charge of the people, so like
you know, strategically thinking so, so the government would have
to be in on it to allow it or perhaps
not be able to do anything about it, and to
protect us or prevent us from learning that, which is
why we get into that disclosure stuff, thinking that they
know the secret, don't what shape is the earth and

(16:33):
all these other weird things that that that happened in conspiracies.
But so you know, there's there's that element too, there's
the faith element where you know there's aliens in the Bible,
there's ghosts in the Bible. You know, there's even you
should go far back to some Marian times that there's

(16:54):
evidence and antipity of these things happening. There's things that
we don't understand, but they understood it then, so there's
interpretation and speculation. But then we want to know that
there's life outside of our own. We want to know
that when we die, either we go somewhere else, there
is another place. So there's a lot of other things
that kind of go on in the mind and kind
of we almost believe it because we want it. We
don't want to know that when we die nothing happens,

(17:16):
or we don't want to know that if we are
actually in a matrix like some of these realities maybe
actually be reality, but they're terrifying. So there's a bit
of massaging put into place so that way we can
live in harmony. But when we're living in harmony, are
these truth truth? Or is it just control, and it's
really hard to trust it because we really don't know

(17:38):
until we check out right, and and and so that's
why we get this exploration of trying to test all
these other things. So the the constant thing that I
can only I can agree upon when talking to an
a variance of experiencers is I may not be able

(17:58):
to believe that the event as you described it is
what had actually happened. However, I'm able to tell definitively
through conversation with my training that you believe that that
event occurred. So that's enough for me. Because there's anxiety,
there's PDSD, there's there's trauma, there are all bunch of

(18:21):
symptoms of being affected by something. And with that I
have to de escalate. Then I have to you know,
recommend to refer them to for treatment to to bring
their anxiety and down because in in the UH security industry,
you know, we have to de escalate at you know,
at events or UH you know, in airports and things

(18:44):
like that too. We can't just make the arrest right away.
We have to talk deescalate before we talk to them,
especially when they're in a panic, there's a missing child,
you know, the mother is losing it. You got to
talk her down before she can tell you where the
kid is or where she last saw the kid. So
there's a bit of that de escalator process that needs
to happen. But the trauma and and the excitement and
the and the fear all real, and at that point

(19:07):
it doesn't really matter if we believe in something different.
What I can prove is that they're affected by it,
and that's what interests me because there's there's that belief
that something happened to them. And then we start this
conversation where like, Okay, let's let's try and work this

(19:28):
out to see if you actually were you know, taken
by an extraterrestrial on board this ship and you were
you know, and you were you know, violently harassed and
all these other things. And when we break it down
and unpackage it and try to rationalize things, then sometimes
we end with this, you know, the odd descriptions of
things that you know are unfiliar, unfamiliar to me, unfamiliar

(19:51):
to other members of the team, things like that, And
then we have the small percentage where we're like, okay,
someone has to explain that because you know, you got
a lot to lose. You've got a lot of you know,
a lot weighing out on your sorry, a lot on
the line, willing to come forward. You believe it to
your heart's content. I mean, that is no different than

(20:13):
me telling you, uh, you know, believe in the Lord
Jesus Grace. You know, you know, you can't tell me,
you know, And I'm not Christian, but I'm using that
for as an example. You know, you can't, you can't
tell me, you know, not to believe in my God.
And then and then a lot and different. Then we
start fighting and all these other you know, fighting over
the same deity. So it's no different in that, and

(20:33):
that belief is so real and intense and I will
never be able to talk them out of it. So
the problem that we have when I'll get into that
scam part, is that is the media company is just
looking for that story so they can repackage it and
make it pretty, put it on the TV, have people
watch it and go, oh my god, that's amazing. Meanwhile,

(20:55):
not realizing that this person's suffering. So they're so they're
taking advantage of a a you know, of people living
in an abuse. Sometimes it's positive. There are positive experiences too,
but I mean it's because I kind of started with
the negative. I'm kind of stuck in this negative one.
But you know, but people are taking advant revictimizing if

(21:18):
you will. You know, that's no different than like I mean,
look at the Johnny's Depp and Amber herdcase. That's all
over the place. But I mean it's done, it's over with.
But then now there's means all over the place, like
both of them on either side are being revictimized because
you know, it's it's opened its out to the public.
Right So there's a lot of experiences that I work
with in Project Keynote. I'm a private investigator, so I

(21:41):
do all this stuff privately. I don't put it out
on the internet yet. I'm working on finding a way
to share in information that they're both to kind of uh,
you know, I'll kind of show you that what I'm doing.
But it's kind of you know, it's kind of challenging
right now because experiences don't want the true genuine experiencers
I believe do not want exposure, They do not want

(22:04):
to be named, they do not want to go on podcasts,
so so so they look up to me and other
other people on the team to tell that story for them, right,
And the media companies come along and they're like, well, hey,
you've got you got connection to all these people. Can
you sell them? Like I certainly could, but let me
talk to the experiencer first, because it's their case, right.
So so so so the the the there's a lot

(22:27):
of there's a money making business here, there is a
healing business here. You can raikise, pseudo sciences and things
like that. There's a way to make money, there's a
way to heal, but the customer are still suffering, they're
in pain, and they're not getting validation and they're not

(22:47):
getting that help. So the experience of support association is
kind of designed and triaging to understand what kind of
that's why it's important to understand why they are the
way they are, why this experience instance affecting them. So
that way we can kind of guestimate and if you will,
what type of therapy we could recommend and what professional

(23:09):
partner we could connect them with, you know, and and
then also use that in a scientific way. So I
would want to get the information first and then and
then recommend like okay, go do reiki calm down, relax,
here's a nice person that we know or referral or
float tank. Come back and do another report and we'll
see what the what the stressed report looks like compared

(23:29):
to the not stress report, and see where we are
in the middle. Because you're stressed right now. You just
had terrible experience. I'm really sorry about that. You know,
let's let's let's take care of you first and then
we'll talk about it later. Whereas the journalists are like,
oh my god, tell me what happened. I need to know.
That's fascinating. That's great. Oh my god, I can make
so much money off it. No, no, no, So then
it goes and you're sitting there and you're watching on

(23:50):
TV and you're like, oh, that's cool, that's great, But
what about me. I'm still not getting help, right, So
so so that's what was doing going on with move on, uh,
you know, essentially with it and it still goes on.
But so apart from that. Now I represent the investigation unit.
There are healing elements. We have Serena Drasis on our

(24:15):
team CC as well and a few others that provide
healing services. If you will some some resources or some comfort.
One of the things we do is called Experiences Anonymous,
which is a zoom meeting that we are open to
anyone that wants to come in and just share their experience.
They don't have to make a report, they don't have

(24:36):
to document it ill I'm not there because I'm an investigator.
If I hear it, I'm going to be like, hey,
you know, asking all these questions. But sometimes you don't
want to be investigated, but you still need to get
it off your chest and you still need to talk
to others. So the other thing. So with the Experiences Anonymous,
if you're able to have that communication and open in
that community where you can talk to your neighbor and

(24:59):
be like, hey, that' happened to me too, then you
start to learn from each other and you start to understand,
you know, the experiences more. And then it's private. And
sure it's not documented, it's not in a book, it's
not on TV. But that's not the point. These people
are happier. These people are are are learning to live
with the experience, accepting the experience, and then they become

(25:20):
more susceptible to believing the possibility that maybe there is
no ghosts, maybe it's us. And what I mean by
that is, I was take the poultry guyst phenomenon for
an example. You know, you're han't a you know, nine
times out of ten there's stress. You know that, you
know you're stressed in that day, and then all of

(25:41):
a sudden, you come home and there's like, you know,
cupbags are moving and everything's going all over the place,
and you believe it to be a poultry guyst based
on the movies, based on what we see, based on
what we've been investigated. But then if you look at
the parapsychology and a spectrum and you're looking to telepathy
or telepathy characteristics, you know, of being able to move

(26:05):
objects with your mind through stressful situations, which has also
been shown as an example through the movie Carry. But
I mean it's still like these are still Hollywood movies,
but they kind of convey these points of different ways.
It's the same thing. So so in this environment where
you were raised to believe in ghosts, you would think
that these cupboards are moving because of ghosts, But in reality,

(26:29):
maybe you move them because you're stressed and you actually
possess psychic abilities and you're unaware of that. So when
we go through this process, and that's just changing changing
the thought. It's not an external source invading your house.
It's you projecting and you're doing in your and you're
causing a reaction in this reality. And then if we

(26:51):
can get you to understand that and accept that possibility,
own home that skill and use it for good, you know,
or use it to heal yourself and no longer be
afraid of it, then you start to evolve. So so
so kind of working more towards the concept and theory
that that we are evolving into, you know, psychic beings.

(27:17):
And there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there
to lead us to believe that we're less than what
we actually are. And there's an example of that and everything,
not just paranormal, not just UFO. You take any anything,
any subject, you know, they put a label on it, uh,

(27:39):
and then all of a sudden, it's lesser than all
this other stuff too, it's no different. So so so
one of my main focuses again is also to raise
awareness for mental health and things like that too, to
but to associate that with the phenomenon, because if we
can't prove that they exist in the government it won't

(28:00):
tell us that it doesn't exist. We need to at
least acknowledge that there's a group of people that are
affected by it and they need help. So that's know
that that's so. So that's that's not some bolts reason
for the experience to support association. That's what we're trying
to do is at least be that area that understands that.
And no matter what, we believe you and we will

(28:20):
try to match make you a match, make you and
connect you with the proper resources that we are aware
of and do our best you you know, understand because
someone's got to do it.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, man, you make some excellent points, and like I
said earlier, the work you're doing is super important for
people to understand what the hell's really going on, whether
it is a human or a ghost or an extraterrestrial
or whatever you want to call it, it is. It
is true that in this community we have a lot

(28:55):
of people that are just trying to cash in on this,
and that makes it harder for the genuine people to
really come out and have a good understanding of what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
So, yeah, thank you for everything you do. That's this
great work. Now I want to.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Unpack a couple of other things before we move into
you mentioned you know, we haven't been talking about positive experiences,
which I want to get to towards the end. But
before we get to that, I want to get to
what could possibly be what you consider the human element. Now,
we've had plenty of cases where people are actually coming

(29:32):
back from the experience with you know, implants or pieces
of metal inside of them. They have others where people
have witnessed military individuals along with the extraterrestrials on the
whatever possible craft that they've seen. And I pretty much
one hundred percent believe that most of the craft are unexplained.

(29:55):
Lights and things we're seeing in the sky is ours,
it's drones, it's military craft, experimental craft.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's my personal belief.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
This is a whole lot of people that listen, but
you know, that's what I believe to be true. And
I've witnessed this, and I've heard a lot of whistleblower
and research or testimony that agree with me, but they've
they've also had plenty that don't. So I want to
get your take on the physical aspects of this.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, So, as I said earlier, it everyone has to
be on it in order for it you exists. Because
if if the and we don't know the endgame, and
we can we can assume the endgame. But if if
Extra Thresh Shows was the only being that had the
end game, there wouldn't be we would know about it.
They would let us know about they would just take over. Uh,

(30:44):
you know, if the government is doing some manipulations of
some sort, then we're not going to know about it
because it's secret testing. So if they're you know, is
it possible that they're doing that with you know, the
Extra trest Shows. So so so we might be seeing
a combination of US reverse engineering or trying to learn
or trying to develop or building or doing other things elsewhere.

(31:09):
You know, somebody's got to know whether you know, and
all these other things too. So I mean the military
aspect would be the best source of information, like the
best people to answer, and they won't answer and they
can't answer. And it's not just UFO, it's anything anything

(31:30):
that is declassified, even if they're going overseas to you know,
to get a you know, one of their agents out right,
you know, we don't know about that, right, but they
have to be able to know where they are, they
have to be able to know, uh, you know, how
to communicate with them. So there would have to be
a system that exists within this system that allows them

(31:54):
to know where everything is because what we're observing, maybe
because we can check them and as a citizen scientist
or citizen journalism or citizen investigators, whatever you want to
call yourselves, we can check, you know, flight radar and
check we can do the declassified documents. We can do
all these things to fact check and verify the information

(32:15):
in accurate. But they're not going to tell us. They're
not going to give us the information from projects that
we don't know about. Right. So, just as an example,
so if you were to check if you were to
see a UFO or an unidentified find object which I
call an aerial activity submachine or sub level one machine,

(32:39):
and you were to check the flight radar data that
they talk to all these people and do all these
other things, and there's no information that shows that it's there.
That does not mean that someone doesn't know that it
was there. It just means that us, who have the
means to be able to fact check in our society,
do not have access to the data that could identify

(33:04):
or locate this someone does, so then you're going to
take that information, do a freedom of information request, ask
for information and guess what, these are the people that
know the secrets so so so they're going to release
information to you based on what they want us to know.
And at the same time, if you don't ask for

(33:26):
information from another product, then they can't. They're not going
to search that product, you know what I mean. So
so you can't just ask tell me ask for everything.
You got to ask you No, I need specifically flight
radar within this date range, and then they will do
these curies, they'll do these searchers and all these other things.

(33:46):
So the people, even in the civilian level, are doing
the best they can within all these all these parameters
to get the information and we're able to solve it,
but we're still missing the key. And the key h
you know, to unlock this puzzle has to belong to
someone higher up. They would have to. So removing the

(34:07):
UFO and paranormal concept from the table, all of that
concept still exists in war, still exists in trades and
secret blackop projects because we won't be able to as civilians,
be able to identify and using certain technologies that we

(34:27):
don't have access to. So if they're using government technology
already and it's private and it's secret, then it's possible
that they have advanced technology if that's what they're using.
So if this advanced technology somehow involves connecting with consciousness

(34:47):
or connecting with the people and telepathically or mentally or
however you want to psychogenically, it's the crime because we
can't prove it because it's mind. Now, it can be
proven if you can build a case through testimony witnesses

(35:08):
and a lot of people say, oh yeah, ten people
witness this, ten people saw this, as to group them
all together. But the other thing we don't have is
regulations of investigating the data. So in my career, so
I've met retired police officers, I've met retired you know, investigators.

(35:28):
I mean there's not very many active investigators, and there's
researchers and journalists. They all they all take the same
data and repackage it different ways depending on what message
it is they're trying to convey. But there's no regulation
between all of these little groups on how to investigate.

(35:50):
So move On has a bit of a system in place.
It's outdated.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I was.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I rewrote the book a manual, but they didn't accept it,
so I'm going to be using that with TESTA. By
the way, but I rewrote the Field Investigator's Manual, I
just haven't had a chance to publish it. But I'm
going to make it open source for everyone. But I mean,
the what we need is unity. We need more people
working together. So if the government is going to disclose

(36:21):
anything to us, they will when we're when they're ready
and when they able to have control. But in the meantime,
we can still get as close as we can with
the information we have. And you've got to pay attention
to those who have the experiences with no evidence and
a lot And what I mean by that is if

(36:42):
you know how to build a case, if you actually
learn how to prep thing for court or for procedure,
everything compounds on each other, everything matches up, then you'll
have stronger evidence eventually. So kind of what I'm also
building is is this this investigative portal where I understand
how everybody works, what everyone's useful for. Well, I'm trying

(37:03):
to regulate everything, but like we kind of need I guess, Well,
essentially what I'm doing I'm losing my train of thought here.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
No worries about though you were talking about what you
were trying to do with the the experience or association.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, no, I've completely lost it. Sometimes that happens, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I do want to know.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I do want to know this as far as the
human element goes, and the.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Nefarious possibilities with that.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like I mentioned earlier and you mentioned, you know, MK
ultra experiments things of that nature. We do know that
there have been nefarious military activities like this, and I've
heard plenty of testimony of individuals being subject to what
they believe is military abductions and experiments done on them.

(37:58):
And the question is there's two questions, so that why
are they deceiving us with the disclosure aspect? If you know,
the aliens aren't what we're being told, and what do
they know? And why are they doing these strange abductions
with humans?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well we need to capture one and interrogate one and
find out way you'll find out exactly what their motive
is because the only motive that you can interpret is
is the human element? Right, So, so I mean, what's
the purpose of life? We we do things on a
daily basis to earn revenue in order to buy things

(38:39):
so we can continue to live, you know, a various
spectrum of quality of life. So that is needed in
order to pay for other things that are needed to
keep the world going around and doing all these other things.
Blah blah blah blah. It's important for the infrastructure and
everything else. So if we were to all of a

(39:04):
sudden learn that there is a higher power or other
existence in that with that, would we stop doing what
we're doing? Is there a need if we find out
we have free energy? If we find out we have this,
so there's this control element that's there if it exists.
We know free energy doesn't exist, and we've had it
in the past, and for some reason we don't have now.

(39:26):
And then just you know, whatever, whatever theory you want
to subscribe to you, we just don't don't use it now,
or some people do. Who knows. We're taxed for it.
We've got to pay for it. It's paying for something.
But because we're you know, slaves, if you will, there's
a use for us. We're useful. So so so the
extraterrestrial military kind of combination there there there there, I

(39:48):
would imagine there is some sort of use to do
that to either evolve us or to experiment or to
change us, to alter us, to prevent us from doing
things like when I lost my train of thought, maybe
they just zapp me, you know, Like there's there's reasons
for that to prevent you know, progression of things. And

(40:11):
and is that then you can grace that because they
can see into the future. Is that because they know
what's best for us? Is that because there's a bigger
plan coming. There's so many there's so many scenarios that
you could run. But out of all those scenarios, again,
like we're useful because they could also wipe us out
at any second. They can also turn it up at

(40:32):
any second and drive us into fear, you know, And
the government would have to be in on that because
the government would need us to vote. The government would
need us to agree. That's why they you know, they
start wars and other you know or threatened wars and
things like that so we can vote for it. So
that way, our tax payer, our taxes will pay for it.
We have to want to do it, otherwise we will revote.

(40:54):
So why do they need to keep us happy? Why
do they need to keep us. You know, why do
they need to make these changes whenever we're stressed? Right,
because there's control. Now is it humans controlling other humans
or is it humans working for extraterrestrials controlling the humans?
So the humans do certain things for these terrestrials. So

(41:17):
so and in the word extraterrestrial just means extra land.
So it doesn't necessarily mean the beings is in space.
It's just perhaps another piece of land that we don't
know about in this known world because we're being controlled
and manipulated and regulated to follow these But even if

(41:38):
that's not happening, we still have to work. We still
have to we follow, you know, we still have to
do all these constructs and and these indoctrinations with school
systems and things like that, based on these regulations of
things to do what work, pay taxes, raise kids, and
then diet and you know, like I mean, it's as
a repeat pattern.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
So if.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
We're evolving and they're constantly you know, you know the
looking glass and kind of take take an idea of
that to try to they're able to see it in
the future, it would make sense that they are trying
to adapt or evolve the race and this is the
way that they're doing it. Some people who have pleasant
experiences working with extraterrestrials, you know, they're taught, they're educated,

(42:26):
they learn things, and then all of a sudden they're
activating and then they have a better quality of life,
or they become teachers, they become healers. Like there's a
positive side of that. Typically the negative aspect is because
they're fearful and it's terrifying. They don't know what's going
on and they're not getting questions answered. That's usually where
the fear comes in. You know, you go in for
a surgery, right, and you see this big needle on

(42:47):
the table, right, and all of a sudden it goes
in your neck. You're afraid of that, even if that's
a human being doing that. But you'd be like, hey, doc,
what's that for? What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I'm not using that one for you, that's just there.
I'm using this small one. Oh okay, cool. Then you're
more comfortable because you're able to have that conversation, right,
unless he's a dick. Then he's like, psych, here's the
big one, and then you're done. But you know so,
so that's that's the game. I play in my mind
where I'm trying to be like, you know, if what
would the alien do? What would I do if I
was in this position? And when? And that's why it

(43:18):
always comes down to human controlling and perhaps divine influence.
But then there's also and there's also factions. So you
bring into you go back to the Bible. You got
angels and demons, you got demons and eels and Samerians,
you know, and and then and then so there's so
many there's mythology that has changed over the years. There's

(43:41):
there's there's control, there's needs, there are all these other things.
Now if you go back into interpreting, back to the
beginning where things were more peaceful. Uh, especially I like
to parallel use Samarian mythology as an example. So there
God en key and end lil, so God of the
sky and God of the land. If you were to
compare those two individuals to the modern day Christianity, that

(44:05):
is God and Satan. Now, if you were to remove
the titles and just look at the characteristics, the God
of the of the sky in some Marian terms, is
the one that punishes those those who do sin. The
God in the sky is the one that that kind

(44:29):
of like punishes and destroys everything. The God on the
ground is the guy that encouraged us to grow, to develop,
to expand to learn. The guy on the ground is
the one who told us about the flood when the
guy in the sky was like, the flood is coming,
you know, wipe them all out. So so if and

(44:50):
now you go to the Bible, the guy in the
sky is the one that told us about the flood
and wepe it all that, and the guy in the
ground is the one that pushes everybody it's flits. So
you remove these. So if you go back now and investigations,
you want to consider the source. So if the Bible
is an actual factual document of accounts, we can't use

(45:12):
the current version. We have to go back to the
first version. And the first civilization that's been documented so
far is the Samearans in Innaki. So if that was
the first, what we have today is an interpretation over
that that that vast of time that's been changed, manipulated

(45:33):
by human beings to control and remove and cherry pick
to altern in a new direction. But if you go
back to the source to understand the intentional reason behind everything,
then it all starts to make sense. We were created
to mine a gold mine which we call Eden, which
is in the center of the Arctic Ocean, which is

(45:56):
a place Hyperborea, you know, like not not you know
all these places too, so we we were it wasn't well,
you can go to some Marian times too. There's a
bit of a history lesson I'm kind of gonna skip,
but or geographics. But the point is is is this
was a military faction that was already that needed assistance.

(46:21):
So they genetically muified the perfect mold, which is the atom,
so the adapta the atom project, and then through that
mold they were able to manipulate and duplicate and create
many many aspects or many many human beings, and then
they to you know, tasks that charge them in order
to mine until the garden of Eden. So the garden

(46:45):
could be you know, a small place, or it could
be the entire place. We don't know where the garden is.
The garden could have been, you know, in the North Pole,
or the garden could be in in Iraq, or the
garden could be the entire earth. And then there's something
outside of the earth, you know that where that that
you know, where were we placed. Are we still in
the garden? Did we escape? All these other things too?

(47:06):
So so if you go back to the Samerian part,
is the God in the sky created us to make
their job easier, to minieralize and get these resources and
do all these things to help them get back to
their planet or do whatever then they needed. We weren't
created to live in peace. But the but what had

(47:26):
happened is when this this flood scenario happens, the great
deluge in the sense uh. According to Samerian, it's just basically,
you know, planets coming close and then causing the ties
and then there was something they knew about. So so
the god in the sky and they'll decided not to
tell the humans. But the guy on the ground, which
is you know, Satan, the bad guy thought ahead, was

(47:47):
just like, how are we gonna you know, how are
we going to eat? How are we going to survive?
How we're going to do all these other things? Right,
So they talked to an individual called Utinam Pishtam, which
is Noah, and encouraged him to build an arc which
was in actually an arc who was a submarine, you know,
a rocket ship perhaps Okay, which you know, so this
if you like, there's science and technology, there's aliens, there's
all this stuff in Samerian, which is old, old, right,

(48:10):
and then you can to Atlantis and all these other
things too, because if if you believe the Bible's true,
and you gotta believe that's true because that's where it
came from. So and then all of a sudden, the
flood happens. They're up there, you know, you know whatever
the day is, forty days, forty nights, I think, yeah,
and then uh, and then all of a sudden they're hungry, right,
they can't eat. They didn't think about packing food. But Noah,

(48:30):
who they pish them, you know, has food for them.
And we see that in the Bible that he fed
you know, you know, he had food and substance for
everybody after the flood ended. So that was something that
these military people didn't think of. And then at that
point it was kind of a realization, like you know, what,
there is a purpose for you, but you know, you know,
and but you know this guy here, you saytan, you know,

(48:53):
you disobey my order, so you need to stay here.
That's not that it's like he stood, you know, he's
there to take care of the people that are here.
So there's this bit of this understanding of we're doing
a very bad job explaining the parallels here. But the
point that I'm trying to get to is that if
you consider the source God has left, there is no

(49:16):
the absence of God is like he's gone, but the
or the guy in the sky, But the guy in
the ground never left. The angels had fallen, they stayed
with humans. So over years, where did they go? Did
they go on the ground? Are they working with the government?
Are they doing all these things that we talk about now,
maybe these are them. And then we have this whole

(49:38):
like second Coming of Christ and all these other things,
you know, ideas, which means that that they're coming back.
But here's the thing is people think that the ones
coming back are the good ones, but if you go
back to the Sumerian things, the ones that are coming
back are the bad ones. So when we get into
sub to the disclosure movement with you and now you know,

(50:01):
putting this fear in this threat and we need to
put weapons in space and this whole idea, when we
all know that it's the time is up, this is
the time where it's supposed to be coming. We're in
the age of Aquarius. The Book of Revelation is over.
The Bible is done, like we're living in the time
after the Bible was written. We need a new one.
So so so you know, all these things are developing.

(50:23):
So if we so you have these factions where there's
the good on the ground, bad on the ground, but
like they're waiting for the good to come, but the
good is actually bad or possibly right. So we have
these preconceived ideas that this savior is coming. But what
if the Savior's coming to destroy us? And then we're

(50:45):
going to need to Now who's going to defend that.
Now there's a lot of people trying to get on
to a different planet call a Nize, Marsinal, these other things,
and a lot of other stuff too. But if I
were to imagine if I was en Key, so so
that be that be the Samerian god of the Earth,
which is you know, considered Satan in the Bible. But

(51:09):
he's a scientist who created all this technology and things
in order to create the human being along with his wife.
What if he's still experimenting and he's still evolving us humans,
So that way we can be evolved and we can
be awoken, and we can understand, and we have developed
psychic abilities. So that way when his brother returns, we're

(51:31):
ready for warm Right. So so you always fear this
angels and demons, but we need to know who the
angels are and who the demons are. We don't really know.
But who's in the line with the demons we or
the angels. We as human beings also have to survive
this fight, so you know, you know, so what better

(51:53):
advantage you know with this this ancient scientists have than
to evolve the human beings to assist when the time comes.
Because if the if the solution is to go to
another planet, we can't go there. So we got to
live here. We got to survive. I've got to build
the future. Right, So so there's there's there's a whole

(52:15):
I'm going in a bit of a rabbit hole here.
But I mean, again, this is speculation, this is theory.
This is me just trying to normalize or rationalize the
possibility of the reality of what we live in. And
that's by considering the source. So if the Bible is
an accurate source of information, then the Samerian Bible or

(52:36):
Samerian tablet should be the one that you're studying, because
that is the first one. Now, was that translated it properly?
Was that you know, understood the lexicon and all those
other things. You can do a deeper dive to make
sure it's translated properly. But if that is factual, that
is the answers for everything, which means you know, space
and aliens and all those things, Atlantis and all exists

(53:00):
a way to go, right.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, Man, I love it and I'm glad you went there.
I'm gonna have to have you back on for for
a Hidden History episode. Man, that was great stuff. I
love the uh, the thought process and the theories that
are going on there. Uh, some things I've never heard
before and some things I am right right there with
you on.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
So a very fascinating stuff. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Now, I want to get to earlier we we touched on.
We need to talk about the positive experiences, which we
do because I've had my own contact experience whatever you
want to call it, through meditation and uh, from what
I my current understanding is, which could probably change tomorrow
or even in five minutes, is that I made contact

(53:41):
with my spirit guides or ancestors or something that is
with a human being, you know, for from the time
they're going to their die. Whatever you're understanding, is that
something that's helping you evolve and guide you along the way.
And that is my understanding, like I said at this point,
But for others, there's a various variety of positive contact

(54:04):
experiences that have occurred. And like you said, after these experiences,
many people they grow, they become more spiritual, they get
better at things, they kind of flourish in their life.
And the same thing happened for myself. You know, I
was like in a horrible job doing this you know,
podcasting thing part time. After my experience, I flipped that
around with that and I'm doing this you know time

(54:26):
in my life is a lot better. Is changed for
the better, which happens to a lot of experiencers that
I've spoken with and.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I've heard of.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
So what do you think is going on behind this.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Well, it's a feeling. People don't change or they feel different, right,
So if you're feeling ugly and you're feeling down, and
all of a sudden you start to feel great, You're
going to continue to do more of what you feel
is good. So so a lot of these experiences so
spare guys so that be psychogenic, some downloads, spiritual device,

(55:00):
you know, some some sort of connections there. You usually
come at dark times and they provide this this sense
of meaning and purpose and light, you know, to kind
of boost you back up, and then you realize, you know,
I'm meant to do other things and this is what
I want to do. I'm no longer afraid, you know,
I'm more because there's that those esteem issues because you're
in that you're in that state where you're believing what

(55:23):
everyone is telling you, but you're smart enough to understand
that it's not right. You know, there's something wrong here.
I feel it. I can't really explain it, but you know,
you know, I'm going to drop out of school because
they really don't feel like this is right. Doesn't mean
you're not educated, you just the school system doesn't feel
right from you. There's a lot of people that drop
out of school that are that are brilliant because they

(55:44):
self teach themselves based on the things that they feel
good about. They go where they want to.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
They don't get indoctrinated exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah. So so, so, I mean it starts with the feeling.
So once you start feeling good, you start doing good.
When you start doing good, you resonate more good starts
to come with you. Is kind of that that effect.
So there's there's this and be when you look at
your beforehand, what strengths were you know, what shackles did
you have? Was making you feel I feel negative? So

(56:11):
so with that, I think every experience has the ability
to be positive and negative at the same time, and
it's how we interpret it until me able to be
like I have confirmation and be like, hey, I decided
to probe you for no reason at all because I'm
having fun, you know, Okay, thanks, you know, Or we

(56:33):
decided to probe you in this way because it was
the quick thing because we discovered you had prostate cancer
and we just cured it. Okay, well thanks for doing that.
You know. Explanation is needed, validation, confirmation that would go
a long way bedside manner, right, that would be ideal.
So that's going to happen to me. I would like
to know, like, hey, why did you do that? You know? So,
so that also changes how I feel about the experience.

(56:57):
So if you have an experience and you know nothing
or you only know what you've been, what you understand,
you'll be fearful and then you feel like you're you're cursed.
You'll feel like this is a burden. So a lot
of people have these psychic abilities or have the psychic intuitiveness,
but don't know how to use it because they're worried
about how what other people would think of them. They

(57:20):
worry about what society will do. Can I get a job,
can I lose my family? All these all these things
will go shambles, But then they have to do it
in order to realize that, you know, to be happy
if that's the way that they're being pulled, and it's
meant for them as they're purpose, but they need to
feel comfortable. So with the experience of support association, that's
part of that due being like you're not alone like
the other people have these types of symptoms and experiences.

(57:42):
We don't know what it is, but all we know
is that when we do this, we feel good and
we enjoy it because we're doing good. And what's wrong
with that other than the fact we never get paid
for it? But we're still doing good right because it
feels good, And a lot of people do a lot
of work for free because they feel good. You know,

(58:03):
people will work, will quit high paying jobs at a
high pay salary because they're treated like shit, and then
volunteer for an organization and make no money at all
and love it because they feel good. Right, So, what
we want to try and do is not ignore the emotions,

(58:27):
accept and understand why they feel negative about it, and
try to you know, do some cognitive behavioral therapies a
little bit of psychology there to to change the way
that they're thinking about the experience and turning that around
from being a problem to being maybe a misunderstanding, or
they were just passing group, or perhaps you're gifted and

(58:48):
if you had a choice to believe that your curse
versus gifted, I would choose gifted, you know, and then
start trying to figure out how I can do that.
And I take autism for an example. A lot of
people think that is a disability. Well it technically, you know,
it's it's it's a it's this stablement from what is
established as the norm. But who establishes the norm norm

(59:11):
for whom? Right, you know? So so so, But there
are a lot of autistic people that are brilliant and
a communicate but properly, or they get angry, they get frustrated,
you know, but that doesn't mean they can't like solve
complex problems. So you find a use for it, right So,
so so there's there's so many things. We can't be free.

(59:34):
We are free, book, We're not free, and the only
way we can be free is if we choose to
be free. Right, so, so there are I don't think
there are bad experiences. Now again, you know, being sexually
abused and and and that is a bad experience if
there's no consent, right obviously, you know I can't I

(59:57):
can't sugarcoat that one and can't be like well maybe no,
maybe you agree to it later on, Like there's no
conversation like that that could ever happen. That's just you're
dealing with the rape them and you need to you
need to be very cautious and careful with them, and
especially if it's possible that it's not an extra tractional
to human being, because that can lead to a criminal

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chart so so so some things can't be turned around,
but you acknowledge the trauma so that way they can
stop beating themselves up and put them through some sort
of programs to help them feel you know, maybe you know,
maybe this was meant to happen now. And what I

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mean by that and the paranormal UFO alien concept is
some of these abuse situations happened to females that are
unable to conceive. The positive comes later in life when
they realize that they can conceive. So at the time,
it was a negative and violent experience for them because

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you know, the way they look, the way they act,
the way you know, things like that. It's not comfortable.
No communication, right, but then maybe it's served a purpose.
But even even those two events are separate, and there's
no validation of communication with the whole the with with
the with the extraterrestrial to at least explain that I

(01:01:21):
did that so this could happen. And if we got that,
then we would feel better about these experiences, which is
why there's that need to get answers from the government.
But the government's not going to tell us if they're
in control, and if we fight them for it, they're
not going to give it to us. That shows us
that we're not able to handle it. So my tactic

(01:01:43):
with disclosure is not to fight for it, especially here
in Canada. I'm Canadian. Our disclosure is very easier here
because we don't fight for it. Were kind of just
asked for it and they give it to us. But
then we have kind of like an arrangement with the
United Sis where it gets passed off and stuff like that.
There's been a connection there, but I mean it's there's

(01:02:04):
no aggression, and because we're not being aggressive and we're
not fighting, they kind of release more because we're you know,
it's just the way our government is. And if we
rebel and fight, that shows a human behavior in which
would prevent people from giving the information to the wrong hands,

(01:02:25):
even if it's justified. What we need to focus on
is being more positive and enlightening the world, activating ourselves
and show that we are positive and being, you know,
in spiritual beings so that when the time comes and
a choice is made, they know that we are ready.

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So enough has happened for us to not believe in
it anymore. We know something has happened. We know, you know.
Is something I always say is we know, you know.
But in order for them to you know, give us
that treat, we have to show them that we're ready
and fighting is not the way that's going to do that,
and and and and sharing your experiences is part of that.

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I should also state that with the all investigations through
the Experience sup Board Association are done by my private
investigating company, not by Tessa. So it's done by it's insured,
it's modible, licensed private investigators. And through that we also
do investigations for crime and fraud. So if you're ever
you know, Charlottean someone robbing you for money or things

(01:03:29):
like that too, if you ever are harassed or victimized
as a result. Cyber building is a real thing, you know,
so so we assist with shutting those things down as well.
If you ever make an experience and then you're followed
by you know, by people, those are things that happened.
You know, if with enough information we can teach you
on how to get enough information and shut that down.

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You know, uh, you know, like it's you're still human,
you still have rights. And then a lot of these
the men in black phenomenon is kind of strange because
like you get this idea that you think you're being
followed and you may not actually be followed or they
may not be there. Being a private investigator, I mean
parking in somebody's neighborhood and then looking at the car,

(01:04:11):
but like, who's that car? Like, I'm always worried about that.
When I plan surveillance, you know, I take that into consideration.
So people don't think that. So I think about how
everybody thinks, so them to just park out side of
your freaking house for no reason, just to scare you.
In my in my professional opinion and with my career,
it's it's very unlikely that they're they're there for that purpose.

(01:04:33):
It might be a coincidence because it's very obvious because
you can your license plate, you can approach them, you
can do that, you can take photos. So like for me,
if I'm going to do surveillance, you're not going to
know them there. I'm in, I'm out, I'm gone. Like
it's it's not you know, unless it's an intimidation factor.
So that's why that's why I want to kind of
look into that too, so I can help with real things,

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because the the the brilliant part about that is those
real things we to criminal charges, those lead to arrests.
I just passed the information onto the proper authorities and
the jurisdiction and let them carry it on and just
build the case. And by doing that, you're not in
fear anymore. It kind of weeds it out, you know
what I'm saying. We got to be regulating, so I

(01:05:15):
don't I'm either here nor there, either for or against.
I just want to know the truth. In order to
get the truth, I got to weed through the ship.
And once I discovered that, you, once I know what
the ship is and how to get rid of the ship,
I get rid of the ship. So we see what's left.
And what's left is humans with potentially, you know, gifted
abilities to evolve, not seeing any aliens and not seeing

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any ghosts, but it doesn't mean they don't exist, right right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
It's so interesting, man, There's there's so many different directions
we could go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
That's why I said I'd love to have you back.
The extra land.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Thing is fascinating to me are hidden history, the possibility
that this could all be us in some way. It's
all it's all possibilities to me, and I love discussing
this stuff. It's my favorite stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Before you go, let's talk a little.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
You got so much going on, man, Let's talk about
what the the interstell What is interstellar the Academy of
Uthology and Paranormal Studies.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yeah, so the Interstellar in Koming of Apology and Paranormal
Studies is essentially my take on Mufon University. So it's
it's it's going to start with the course that I'm
I'm writing how to investigate anything if whether you're trying
to find a missing person, or you're trying to find

(01:06:33):
your keys, or you're trying to find out if an
alien came and visited you last night, the process and
the methods are all the same, and I feel the
reason why we're not getting these answers there's a lot
of effort. There's a lot of people trying. There's a
lot of people doing podcasts and it all helps a
lot of people do in radio. That all helps a

(01:06:54):
lot of people investigating, talking about it and doing talking
about it. There's a lot of people doing that. We're
not the only ones doing it, which is trying to
regulate it, so everyone does it the same. What's interesting though,
is the experience or they're the most important person for
the case. So when I go back earlier and say,
you know, take the case and then they make a

(01:07:16):
movie out of it, Well, if you work the experience
or the experience you can solve solve it and then
come to come to a conclusion. So we kind of
teach people how to think for themselves as well. Because
if it's a say it's a lens refraction or a
light refraction. If I were if I were to just
tell you it's that, are you gonna believe me? Probably not.
But if I walk you through and be like, hey,

(01:07:37):
you know what, take your cell phone out, go into
that room, take a picture, you know, hold your camera out,
don't take any picture, just let me know if you
see that orbit it you do see it perfect, That's
a light refraction, that's what. So when you took a picture,
you didn't see that, and then you went back later
and you flipped through your photos and then you saw
this light that was there. You believe the extra trrestal

(01:07:58):
I understand, right, but it's not see it's just machine
and you just didn't see it at the time because
you didn't notice it. So by doing that with the experiencer,
it teaches them how to investigate, and it also prevents
them from making another report to me about the same thing,
so they'll report to me better next time. Because for

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me to do a good job, I need the best evidence.
So the academy is to teach people how to do
what the roy are you doing better? Okay? So I
have a license to train. I teach private investigators. I
licensed private investigators here in Ontario also secure guards. And
what I'm trying to do is apply a way that

(01:08:39):
I can make a certificate in the sense you know,
obviously it's not accredited, but I mean a lot of
people are self claim professionals anyways, what's the certificate these days?
But I mean at least authenticize that you at least
know that you're doing the right thing, and contribute then
to a way that it matters. Then that will expand

(01:09:01):
to other other teachers. So I would teach a crash
course in neupology, someone else might teach a crash course
on on on paranormal uh unconsciousness or cryptozoology. You know,
the entities could be cryptids. So there's another you know,
we call them paracryptids. But I mean there's another thing
we didn't get into because it's all connected through us.

(01:09:22):
So so we kind of we're kinda I'm kind of
working on a correct curriculum too. Uh And looking for
professional partners that teach an extended course. Now that's paid for,
of course, because it's for those who want to extend
their learning. But anyone can google, anyone can ask questions,
anyone can do what we do for free on their own.
It's just kind of one of those like, hey, do

(01:09:43):
you want to take this serious? You want to you
want to sharpen your skills a little bit. Yeah, you
want to see if Ryan's like actually knows what he's
talking about or just talking on podcasts all the time.
You know, that's fine, I got your money, but you know,
you know things like that, right, So, because I believe
the reason we don't have confirmation or evidence is because

(01:10:04):
the people don't know how to obtain evidence. They know
enough to pull the phone out, but they don't know
enough about the phone how to use it and to
get me the best piece of evidence to build a case. Right,
And they don't realize that the picture says a thousand
words or certain things that can help if the evidence

(01:10:25):
and the experiencer has the connection to the source. I
don't need to travel halfway across the world and take
photographs of your bedroom and have a conversation with you
I just need to know that there's photos in that
bedroom that I need you to take, and I will
tell you to take them, and you send them to me.
That's it. So by teaching, by using the experience, you're

(01:10:46):
spending more time with him. Less is more. You don't
need to investigate thousands and thousands of cases. You just
need to investigate a few properly and thoroughly and compound
and stack them and build a case. And when you
build that case, you could write a book about it.
You can go on a podcast about it, you can
go on TV about it. But that's you need to

(01:11:08):
go to parliament about it. So I'm also going to
teach you how to build a case so that we
can go to court, so you can present it to
your parliament. Not ask a question do they exist? Ask
a proper question. Are you aware that on this on
this day, at this time, that this event happened? No,
I'm not aware. Okay, Well here's the evidence that shows

(01:11:30):
that it happened. Does this refresh your memory? No? Yes? Okay? Perfect?
Are we in danger? You just told me that you
don't know what this is and it's in our airspace?
Are we in danger? I'm not asking if it's alien.
I'm not asking if it's ghost. I'm just confirming that
there is something in our airspace that you just, you know,

(01:11:50):
confirm that you knew nothing about. And you're the Prime
Minister or you're the President of the United States. Why
don't you know about that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
You know? It could be it could be rushed with
to be China, all those things, doesn't matter. The fact
is it's here and you don't know about it. So
then we start to have it. So in order to
have that kind of conversation, it's like a coup to tat,
if you will. It requires a lot of Uh. I
need a lot of people reporting to me so I
can build these cases so I can peacefully protest, because

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that's what we do in Canada, mean peacefully protest.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Yeah, right on, man, while you're doing fantastic work. Like
I said, we got so much more we could talk about.
So we're definitely gonna have to do this again. Before
you head out, let the audience know where they can
find you, websites, everything that you offer, all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Yeah, So the best place to go would be to
the association. So the current website is ww dot Tessacan
dot org T E S A c A N dot orb.
You can find everything on there and stuff about me,
stuff about the other people on the team as well.
We have a YouTube, so YouTube dot com for its
last the experience to support association. We do have so

(01:13:08):
you do have a membership there where we we are
creating entertainment content if you will, just to just to
kind of help raise some money to keep majority of
it free for the public. So we just want to
get our expenses covered. But we're not we're not we're
not a not for profit. We're a business. But we
just want to make sure that we're you know, our
expenses are covered. But I mean on that point, I

(01:13:29):
just published before this a new episode of a program
called The Citizen Paranormal Report, and I actually went to
Norad uh and follow the lead of investigations of UFO
settings by military police. It was actually detained for about
thirteen minutes and I got it all on tape. But

(01:13:50):
that is for you know, that's for members only, So
you've become a member's only a YouTube member, you'll be
able to see that and go through the information that's
missing from that. It's just my journey, my walks and
all these other stuff and you know, bringing you through
these things a little bit of a TV show element.
But the fact is is I actually, you know, got
arrested that kind of detained, so it's kind of kind

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of interesting. So apart from that, I'm I'm. I have
a podcast called Being a Tinfoil Hat that airs every
Thursday at a pm Stern time on that YouTube channel
where I interview I interview dry. I don't know who
my guest is until the until I'm there and I
and I learned. So if I don't, if I don't
know who they are, I don't know anything about it,
I'll call the bullshit or I'll try to figure it

(01:14:32):
all out. So I kind of do that off the cuff.
I also have another program that's coming back with their
new website. It's called Uncharted Case Files, where I'm actually
going to re declassified documents that I've retrieved from the
Canadian government and I have over nine thousand documents in
my files behind me, and I'm currently working on a
website that's going to come out hopefully supposed to come
out in April, but we're behind so I told them

(01:14:54):
May at the end of May at latest, but it'll
be a database in which you'll be able to see
are declassified documents, where they happen, who's involved, the timeline,
all these other things, and set the example on how
investigations actually carry out in an open source way. So
keep it simple. The Experiencer Support Association, Google that like

(01:15:18):
and follow everything you find and then go into that
find me and then like that perfect do some investigations.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yes, man, that was awesome and we will definitely do
this again soon. I look forward to it. Until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
We will definitely talk again. The more we'll see you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Then. Today, I want to welcome Sharon Delaruse. She is
an investigator, mythologist and GFO experiencer. She undertook what became
a mission to research and bring to light the Earth
extraterrestrial history. She believes that studying extra to rust real

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history may be the key to understanding our future. Sharon, welcome,
how you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
I'm doing great? Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah, it's great to have you on. I've been looking
forward to this. This is a very interesting, sometimes frightening,
but extremely important conversation that we're about to have.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
The important than people realize.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Oh yeah, so the end of days has been a
collective fear and global consciousness probably since the beginning of time.
We know that our planet has experienced multiple cataclysms that
may have wiped out large percentages of life multiple times.
But the question is are we due for another, what's
going to be the catalyst? And are there beings out

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there that may have an interest in keeping the planet
intact or maybe the opposite. Now we're going to explore
this through ancient prophecies that might shed light on the
possibilities of the end of days as well as possibilities
that there are beings in the cosmos that are directly
connected with these events. Now, before we get to any

(01:17:03):
of that, this is your first time on tell us
more about yourself and what led you to look into
and write about these fascinating topics.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Well, they extraterrestrials have been with me literally since I
was a toddler. I've been taken so many times I
couldn't even count it is. These go back to my
earliest memories, and so they've been with me. There were
several I'm from Upstate New York and I was born

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in the late nineteen fifties in the mid nineteen sixties.
There were several UFO major, major UFO events up there,
and a lot of my experiences coincide. I didn't know
at the time. I didn't know until I started researching
this just for the personal part of this, that a
lot of my really bizarre experiences coincided with these UFO waves.

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I had another series in nineteen eighties, mid nineteen eighties
to early nineteen nineties, which I later found out coincided
with another wave of UFOs around the world, the Gulf
Breeze Florida with Bill Virginia. They happened at the same time,
and if you drew a line between those cities, I

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was living in Atlanta, Georgia at the time, right right
along their flight path, and they've always been with me.
It goes up, it goes down. But that was part
of what has brought me into this topic. The other
part is when I started researching just for my own
personal I started discovering that this was a bigger, bigger picture,

(01:18:40):
and I came across the ferries of Ireland, the Tuatha
data on and they just drew me in the minute
I started reading about them, and I discovered that they
were I don't a lot of people don't know this
because they've been we've been told that they were little people, invisible,
little beings, tinker Bell. But what they were, they were
the original descriptions. They were Nordic aliens, just like the

(01:19:04):
Nordic aliens that are coming to Earth today. The descriptions
are identical, their activities are identical. I've researched the ancient Nordics.
That has that's been my passion. I've got nine books
just on the ancient Nordic extraterrestrials and it shows you
know today, and then nine books on it, and the

(01:19:25):
first book, Farries of Ireland. The paperback version is five
hundred and twelve pages just for that one book, and
the end of the book has twenty five pages of source,
you know, sourcing. This is where it came. I need
to pull it out of the sky. Everything is fully sourced.
So everything that I'm saying in the books that says, well,

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this is who said it, This is the historian, the
ancient Irish or whatever historian. It may have come out
of an encyclopedia wherever. This is where it came from.
And so that's what got me into It's just always
been there now one form or another.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Excellent These beings that you've personally encountered. What kind of
beings or entities were the these? Did you encounter the
Nordics as well?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
A few memories of the Nordics. The most vivid memories
of mine are of the grays. Those are the ones
that I remember from childhood. Those were my earliest visitors.
And as I said, I was born in the late fifties,
so back then everybody knows what they look like. Today,
it's all over the internet, it's all over TV. It
wasn't anywhere back then. And that's what I was encountering,

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long before any image ever went public of them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Now, were these the smaller ones or the taller grays?

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Smaller ones the smaller ones?

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Do you think that these gray beings are kind of
biological robots that are to interface between us and the
other extraterrestrials. Are they just different kinds of entities or
biological entities or maybe a mix of both.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Well, I think there's different ones, but the ones I
think that the ones I encountered may have been biological.
I know they had the ability to breathe air, out
of their mouths because one of the things that they
did was to breathe. It was very, very vivid to
just lean over. I'm laying there with my face up

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and this one gray, he's got his face just about
a foot over mine, looking down, and he opens his
mouth and he breathes on me, and everything goes dark.
And I wrote about and it seems really, really odd,
but I wrote it. The last book I published actually
went into the fact that this breathing thing breathing on people.
They talked about it in the Bible. There have been

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stories from ancient history of entities breathing on you and
the significance of that. So the last book I wrote,
Extraterrestrial Messages and Visions in it dream because a lot
of people remember their encounters as if they were dreams.
And we've been taught, well, hey, it's a dream. It
doesn't mean anything. You just had a dream. But this

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whole concept of remembering in a dream that goes back
thousands of years too, including all through the Bible. God
spoke to people in dreams with the Greek gods did
as well, the Celtic gods did as well. So this
is it's a thing and just for all of the
people like me who know I have waking memories, but
I have a lot of dream memories. And for all

(01:22:31):
of the people out there like me who think, oh
I just had a dream, it couldn't have been real.
It really could have been real. And that book explains
how and why in all of the history of that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Now, before we get into the topic of end of
Days and just kind of discussing these ancient texts, I
want to know for you, the Nordics are these what
are their interests in humanity?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Are these negative or positive entities?

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
The ones that I've researched. I believe there are maybe
more than one species, but the ones that have specifically researched,
they were friends of man. If they had not come
to Earth triering the Bronze Age all around the world,
not just one little group. This was worldwide for the Nordics.
They triggered the Bronze Age. But if they hadn't come

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humanity Homo sapiens would be extinct. They protected us from
a race of giants that were hunting us down, and
we would not have survived that. And they literally saved
our species, and they taught us they were peatures they
were mentors, They built schools, they built libraries, They brought

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civilization everything we know. We think we learned everything ourselves.
We just think we were so egotistical. We discovered fire,
we discovered how to build a road, how to plan
farm everything. We didn't do any of that. They taught
us literally every single aspect of civilization. And if you
look at the Smithsonian Institution interactive timeline of human evolution,

(01:24:09):
our maybe not Homo sapiens a couple hundred thousand some
odd years old, but the cominids go back for millions
of years that this timeline, and in all of that time,
we did never lift ourselves up ever, and then all
of a sudden they come down out of the sky
and we've got fire, we've got roads, we've got corn,

(01:24:30):
we've got wheat. Veterinary medicine. They taught us veterinary medicine.
That one's interesting because we've twisted those stories into animal sacrifice.
But I showed in one of the books that they
were teaching us veterinary medicine by you know, cutting open
an animal and studying its insights. And this was their

(01:24:51):
way of teach, just like we teach doctors today. So
everything that we're being taught about these beings has been
twisted by powerbrokers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
So right, well, now, based on your researcher, would this
be the same beings considered Theaki?

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Very likely. I have not studied the Ananaki in the
detail of their description outside of the fact that they
were giants, but as far as was their full description,
the same as the Nordic Aliens. But almost everywhere else
that I have studied the great gods, they were Nordic aliens,
the Celtic gods of the British Islands, they were Nordic

(01:25:32):
aliens of skin and Avian gods. I've also placed them
all throughout the Americas. I've placed them in Russia. I've
placed them literally all around the world, the Nordic Aliens specifically,
and they were all in India. They were all it related,
and it's just it's absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Well, let's get to the texts that indicate that we
have had these these prophecies around for a very long time,
from different from different errors, from different angles, from Biblical
to Norse to Hindu. That kind of predicts that we

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are headed towards a mass cataclysm that could wipe off
a good portion of the life on the planet. Now,
what could what ancient texts could we look at that
indicate this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Well, one of people think of revelation in the Bible.
But one of my favorites that I came across fairly
recently is the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament,
and the Book of Daniel spoke of four kingdoms at
the end of the world that would exist on Earth
at the end of the world. Now, you've got to understand,

(01:26:45):
the world back then was completely different. The borders, the kingdoms,
the kings, you know, there was there's no similarity. And
yet thousands of years ago before Christ, in the Book
of Daniel, he was a prophet, a biblical prophet. He
wrote about four kingdoms and he described them by emblems.
There were emblems. The one kingdom was represented as a

(01:27:08):
lion with the wings of an ego and the heart
of a man. That's the United States. We originated the
you know, the Thirteen Colonies originated from England, and England
is represented by a lion, or actually three lions, but
a lion. The United States is represented by a bald ego.

(01:27:32):
So we basically flew away from England to become a
lion with the wings of an egle in the heart
of a man. That's definitely got to be the United States.
The next big kingdom is represented by a bear that
devours much flesh. That's Russia. Russia is the emblem for Russia.

(01:27:53):
I don't think it's their official emblem, but everybody knows
them by the emblem a bear. I think it was
Ronald Reagan and when he was running for a re election,
had a television commercial out a bear lurking in the woods,
and it was supposed to be very frightening and you know,
very concerning to everyone. And he was basically representing Russia.

(01:28:14):
So that's the second kingdom that the Old Testament spoke of.
The third kingdom was represented by a four headed leopard.
Now everybody's expecting China in you know, these four kingdoms,
but if you study all of the countries around the world,
the one that matches that is India. India is represented

(01:28:39):
by four Allians standing back to back, so that would
be the closest thing to a four headed leopard. And
India is such a quiet count They're very peaceful. It's
one of the most peaceful, especially for the size. But
they have the second largest military in the world, and
they're a nuclear power. They remain peaceful, try to stay

(01:29:00):
on good terms with everyone, but if something were to change,
they would be a force to be reckoned with. And
at some point, you know, they're probably going to have
to get involved with whatever's you know, coming down the pike.
So that's the third Kingdom. The fourth Kingdom doesn't even
have an emblem, no emblem. Isis is represented with a

(01:29:27):
solid black flag. So if you take Isis and al
Qaia and all of the they're all related, they're all connected.
This would be, as far as I'm concerned, the fourth
Kingdom that the Book of Daniel spoke of. Now, this
kingdom wages war against the saints, and of course, being Biblical,

(01:29:49):
they're talking about the biblical saints. Well that would be
you know, that would be Isis. This kingdom wants to
change the laws, and it literally just stomps all over,
you know, the earth. And as we know, they've gone
into some of the ancient cities and just raised them
to the ground. Some of you know, the old a

(01:30:10):
lot of the ancient ancient a lot of them were
built by the Greek gods. So the Ananaki and They've
literally just destroyed those cities right down to the ground.
So I believe that that is the Those are the
fourth Kingdom, the four kingdoms that the Book of Daniel
says are going to exist at the end of days.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
But.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
There will be an Ancient of Days coming down out
of the sky. He's going to destroy the fourth Kingdom
and then he's going to take power away from the
other three kingdoms. So that's the Book of Daniel prophecy
relating to the end of day. You look at Ukraine
and Russia invading. Russia wants to take it used to

(01:30:52):
have I don't know, twelve thirteen, fourteen. You independent countries
that are independent now that broke away from Russia. It
wants them all back. So we're watching this play out
in real time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Now I want to get your thoughts on this aspect
that the United States military and shadow government, uh most
likely funds ISIS and created ISIS as a part of
our own shadow military.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
I want to get your thoughts in that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
It's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Uh, the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
We're into a lot of things. One could you know,
everybody hears of like George Soros and you know, all
the deep state and so forth. I think it goes
so much. I think there has to be something behind
all of you know, all of the people that we
see on the news and so forth. I think it
has to go much much deeper. And is I don't

(01:31:46):
understand this. In my lifetime, one lifetime, I have watched
so many things being invented, you know, computers, we didn't
have commune, we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have dishwashers, microwaves,
I mean, man on the moon, missions to Mars. All
of this is one lifetime that we have accomplished. And

(01:32:07):
in the same lifetime my lifetime, we're tearing it all down. Everything,
We're literally destroying everything. We are not you know, not God,
not extra treastural humans. And it's just I can't rap
my head around why unless and this is kind of

(01:32:29):
scary and it's really not a popular you will never
see this on mainstream media. But human population is you know,
exponentially expanding, expanding to and I've heard, I mean, from
what I've read, there's a tipping point and I think
we're going to get to that not too far in
the future. And once once you get there, there's nowhere

(01:32:51):
to go. We can't fix it if we let it
get too far. I can't help, but wonder if some
of what they're doing is literally because you can't tell
people don't have kids, you can't tell. China tried and
then they ended up stopping.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
On the Georgia guidestones.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
You know, they want to yes population down to five
hundred yell.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
And I can't help, but wonder if that's because everything
that they say is wrong. Oh, we've got to you know,
fix the environment. We got to fix food, we got
to fix water, we got a fixed pollution. If you
go to the absolute nuggative source, what's the source? Too
many people? So I can't help, but wonder I can't help,
but wonder if China released COVID specifically for that, and

(01:33:35):
I'm sure there's going to be more just like it
coming down the pike. I can't help, but wonder if
this is their way to address that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah, I mean, with everything that we've learned in the
past few years, I don't trust any government or political
system or elitist or corporations that are telling me anything
about what I should know about the reality that we
live in. So I mean, we at least that the
one good thing is a lot of people have woken
up since this has happened. That's a good thing. Now

(01:34:02):
I want to get back to the possibilities that we're
living in what people may consider the end of days.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
And one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Large characters and that is, of course, the Antichrist, and
I want to get your take on this character, this individual.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
The Antichrist is here. Everybody you know is expecting some
men to come down out of the sky and stand
in a podium and you're going to know who he is.
I don't know who the Antichrist is or what the
Antichrist is. All I know is is it's here. Because
you know, the Antichrist is anti christ, anti Christian, and

(01:34:37):
Christianity is under attack from every single quadrant. And it's
always so innocent. It's like, okay, well, don't say merry
Christmas because not everybody you know celebrates, or don't say
uh Christmas. Cards, don't have a Nativity scene, you won't
have the Ten Commandments, don't do the and it's always
one little piece and it's always made to be well,

(01:34:58):
you want to be fair to everybody, and of course
we want to be fair to everybody, but this is
a back way around attacking Christianity on every single front
to bring it, literally destroy it. There's a story out
of ancient Ireland about King O'Brien, Mr Attack O'Brien. I

(01:35:18):
think this was an eleven oh one ad he told
he was in the middle of a war and he
told his soldiers, on attacking a particular castle, every one
of you has to take one stone away from this castle,
carry away one stone. At the end of all of
these soldiers, you see a soldier carrying a stone, you
don't think anything of it. By the time they were done,

(01:35:41):
that castle was gone and there was no evidence left.
That's what's happening to Christianity today. I mean, you can't
have a Christian business. You're under attack, You're under lawsuits Christians.
In some parts of the world it's illegal to be
a Christian. Christians are being killed, they're being beheaded. Christianity
is under attack worldwide, and there are millions of the Antichrist.

(01:36:05):
This isn't one person doing this, there's ordinary people doing this.
Because the Antichrist, the Bible says, if it were possible,
he will deceive the very elect and that's exactly what's happening.
There are millions of people who believe that it's okay,
let's attack this little piece or that little piece, so

(01:36:26):
that because it's no big deal, and so there's millions
of people doing his bidding and they're not even aware
of it. They don't even realize what the true purpose
of this is. And of course the destruction does not
end with Christianity, but I think it's all connected everything
going on today and the end of the world is

(01:36:49):
not a singular event that happens like that like an asteroid.
It's a very long drawn out process that takes years. Decades,
could be one hundred, could be two hundred years. I
mean that we've not been given a timeline, but it
has it has begun, is definitely begun.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Yeah, we've seen some very profound occasions since twenty twenty,
since twenty nineteen that have ramped up since then. You know,
first we have the COVID and everything surrounding that. Now
we're moving into the Russia situation. The fear is ramping
up there and it seems to be going off this

(01:37:29):
playbook from the Book of Revelations. Now, there's plenty of
things that we have to look at that our possibilities.
If we're looking at biblical texts such as one of
them is the rapture.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Let's get your take on this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
The rapture as it's described, and they don't even really
use the word rapture as far as I know, but
the rapture. There there are people that have already been raptured,
and I believe that the way it's going to happen,
it's very similar to the an alien abduction. It's two
people will be on a roof, one will get taken,

(01:38:08):
the other will get left behind. Two people will be
working in a field and one will get taken the
other will get left behind. To women grinding in a mill.
This is the description of what's going to happen and
what this is. It's an evacuation of people before things
get really bad. There's two different aspects of this. You
have people that are going to be removed from Earth

(01:38:30):
before things get really really bad so they don't have
to live through it. Everybody else stays here and lives
through it. But then there will be a final evacuation
off of the planet because at some point this planet
will become unloable and they literally will evacuate humans to
a new Earth. It's new Heavenworth. I believe so. The

(01:38:58):
You don't hear description a lot of descriptions of the
angels in the Bible, except that they were giants, they
were greater than the great the Watchers, the specifically in
the Book of Enoch, which is extra biblical, but it
is in some Bible. There is no one Bible you have.
Every Bible is different and the wording is different. Some
have more books than others. In the Book of Enoch

(01:39:20):
existed in some bibles Eastern Orthodox religion, and in that
he describes as the Watchers as greater than the great
giants in size, countless soldiers of human appearance, but he
doesn't describe them beyond that. However, when you get into
descriptions of Noah, the birth of Noah, Noah's arc and

(01:39:44):
this is also in the Book of Enoch. Noah was born,
he was said to look like the angels. His father
freaked out. His father said, this is not my child.
You had relations with one of the angels, because this
is not my child. Noah is born with skin as
white as snow, and hair as white as white wool.

(01:40:06):
And that was so unusual for that time and place.
And we think of white as like me Caucasian, but
the white whiter than snow. You take a piece of
copy paper and hold it up to any Caucasian that's
whiter than snow. Their their color is very very distinctive,
and it's very very pale. It's more like a person,

(01:40:26):
you know, like a dead person, just no color at all.
It's a very very white, just like Charles James Hall's
tall whites had that same description, very very very white.
But Noah, of Noah's Arc, that's the description, and he
was said to look like the angels, and that's what
his father thought. So that's a clue on the Biblical

(01:40:48):
angels that they must have been Nordic, because everybody else
around the world they were all Nordic Aliens, the you know, Scandinavian.
Even in India. There was a race called the Praise
Eye that lived in India. They were descended from the
Greek god Heracles. And throughout my books I show that
there are similarities between some of the Greek gods and

(01:41:11):
the Handu gods, and the gods of the Ireland, and
the Handu gods the gods of Ireland. They traveled to
India back and forth to India, you know, these people,
they traveled around the world, and we have the legends
that of how far they traveled, they knew each other.
They all knew each other, and so this is a
worldwide This was a worldwide arrival.

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what can we look at that indicates a cause or
a reason for these mass resets? If you look at
the Annunaki mythos, you have the two brothers in Lilaninkey,
one cared for humanity, one was not happy with their
experiment and wanted to wipe it out and start over. Well,
I don't know if that's what we're seeing again. Maybe

(01:43:59):
a disagreement between celestial or extraterrestrial beings, or if it's
a natural cycle, you know, a comet, a media, or
something cosmic that happens every twenty hundred thousand, or even
sooner every four hundred years, thirty six hundred years.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
By Zachariah Sitchen, he wrote about the twelfth planet, and
he talked about the thirty six hundred year cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Let's let's get into this. Let's into what we're seeing here.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
This the there's going to be a cosmic disaster has
nothing to do with wars. But there were wars between
the gods, especially the elders and the youngers went to
battle against one another. But there we are said to
be living in a binary star system with two sons.

(01:44:45):
Now what fascinates me is the Cherokee Indians spoke of this.
How could they have known unless someone told them. They
had a legend about a other son and a daughter son.
And there was a problem because you know, humans were

(01:45:05):
being injured by too much sunlight, and so they went
to the little men. I don't know who these little
men were. You know, they went to the little men
and asked them for help. The little men said that
one of the sons needed to be killed. Well, something

(01:45:26):
went wrong and the wrong son was killed or dimmed.
So extraterrestrials did something in our solar system to control
or dim one of the two sons in order to
protect humanity. This is an ancient Cherokee legend. We have

(01:45:46):
astronomers today that believe that we are in a binary
star system, that the second son, they call it Nemesis.
That's a dim sun, and it's so far away that
I don't know what the cycle is that it that
it would ever come into view. But there are astronomers
that believe that there is a second Sun, but we

(01:46:10):
have it. The descriptions of this cosmic event in the
New Testament, it says the sun will be darkened, the
moon will not give off its light, and the stars
will fall from heaven the Book of Ezra. In the
Old Testament, the sun will shine at night, the moon
will shine during the day, and the outgoings of the

(01:46:31):
stars will change. Ragnarok, the Norse Ragnarok speaks of now
this is another one anciently the Cherokee. It speaks of
the sun behind the Sun. Again, we have two sons,
and the second sun is called Venerous Wolf, and it
will swallow our sun. This is an ancient prophecy. But

(01:46:55):
extraterrestrials will come to our aid. They will come to
our rescue. There's also Merlin, the Celtic Merlin. Everybody you
knows Merlin the Wizard, and he's been treated as if
he was not a real entity, but he was a
genuine person. He said that the planets will deviate from

(01:47:16):
their orbits, including the moon. Bob Avanga, the Bulgarian Nostradamis.
I don't know if you've ever heard of her. She
it was read she died a number of years ago,
but she had like an eighty percent accuracy rate, and
world leaders went to this woman. Her prophecies were so accurate.

(01:47:37):
She said that our son will disappear. We will migrate
to another planet with the assistance of extraterrestrials, our creators,
and she named specifically the Aunaki, the Indias, Mahabarida. They
said that the stars and the stellar groups will lose
their light. The planetary conjunctions will be inauspicious, inauspicious, a

(01:48:02):
sun will appear with six other sons, whatever that means.
And Raho. Nobody knows what this exactly means, but Raho
will swallow our Sun, and the exact meaning of what
this rawho is, but this is across the board, this
Sun and the Second Sun, planets being thrown out of

(01:48:26):
their orbits. This is cosmic, and I think it's a
long way. I mean, I don't think it's going to
happen in my lifetime because there's a lot of things
that have to happen leading up to it. But that's
the end of this cycle. But extraterrestrials, we do not
have the ability to evacuate our planet and there's no
way to survive that. But you know, the the rapture

(01:48:50):
the extraterrestrials. We've been told that motherships are going to
appear at that point in time and take humans up
off of this planet, carry us to a new world
with new heavens. And when you hear heaven, you think
of this invisible realm with invisible people and you think
it's not real. But heaven used to mean sky cosmos.

(01:49:12):
That was the original definition of heaven sky cosmos. So
new Heavens means what you see in the sky will
be different than what we see now, the planets and
the stars and the constellations. It will be different because
it will either be on a different planet or we
will be on this planet after it's been rebooted, which

(01:49:33):
they have the power to do, and it may be
that both happen.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
This Cherokee mythos that you were discussing, and in combination
with the other ones around the globe, is very similar
to the Nibaru story from Zacharias Station and the story
of the Nukey like we were discussing earlier. But this
second son also has planets that are attached to it,
which could indicate the other suns that this prophecy was

(01:50:03):
talking about that you spoke of earlier. But it is
very interesting because we are seeing some major planetary changes
that can't be accounted for through normal what they call
climate change.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, and I've been looking at this a while.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
And increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity. The jet streams
are going crazy and there is something causing it, and
it's believed to be of cosmic nature.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
Yeah. We've been finding planets that have orbits that we
can't explain. They their orbits are so big that you know,
we're just now seeing them because you know, they weren't
here when we started to record history just a couple
hundred years ago. And these planets, you know, why do
they have such a wide orbit? I mean this that

(01:50:49):
it all comes together, and I think secarization in his
Twelfth Planet, didn't he say that the they lived, you know,
the entities came here, lived on a planet, you know
that planet that was Yeah, so that it all makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
You said that you believe that we have plenty of
time until this happens, and I believe so too. I
don't think that this is an overnight thing. And I
think everything that we've seen so far is a stepping
stone for the next event. This has seemingly been either
known about or planned for centuries, and it's fascinating to

(01:51:34):
see how it all plays out and the connections between
all the events that are happening right now that could
be connected something that we will never understand, mainly the
extraterrestrial phenomenon and their connection to this, and what do
you think that connection is. Do you think that they
actually had a hand in creating humans?

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Absolutely? In I want to say it might be Forbidden
Islands of the Gods Nordic aliens and Forbidden Islands of
the Gods that has a chapter or several actually on
the creation of humans. As I said, with the human
evolutionary timeline, we were basically ape like for millions of years.

(01:52:20):
You know, we weren't using tools, we weren't building, we
weren't doing anything for millions of years unchanged. Just like
you look at the apes today and the monkeys today.
You know, they're not evolving into us. And yet we
were supposedly came from them, and they're not changing. You know,
they're not you know, so we have ancestral legends. Our

(01:52:44):
ancestors told us this, and we like to dismiss it
and treat it as mythology, but all around the world,
our ancestors told us the same story, that these beings
came down out of the sky and they taught us everything,
literally everything. They taught us to read, they taught us
to write, they built libraries, they built They taught us

(01:53:04):
how to live in towns together and villages together. They
taught us to create family units. We didn't even have
family units that when they came down. The way we
treated each other was absolutely abominable. By our own legends.
This is what we're telling our you know, this is
what has come down through the ages they taught us

(01:53:27):
veterinary medicine. That's one of the most interesting things because
you know, we have stories of all of the bloody
rituals that we did, and they didn't do this. They
never told us to engage in human sacrifice or animal
they never did. We have that from it. Even the Aztecs,
the Incas nowhere they tried to start. We were doing it,

(01:53:51):
and they tried to stop it. They try to put
a stop to it. I've got everything is sourced throughout
the series. Everything is sourced. You know where this came.
You know where what I'm telling you came from. They
tried to get us to It's burned some incense, you know,
put a flower down, do anything, but do not kill animals,
and do not kill people, you know, for the sake

(01:54:12):
of a religious you know, sacrifice. But the whole thing
about killing animals, there was a thing where you would
kill an animal and read its entrails, its guts to
to predict something. When I started studying the exact wording
of that, I realized that what was happening with this

(01:54:33):
was veterinary medicine. Because they taught us how to keep cattle,
how to keep goats, and horses. They taught us how
to ride horses. Well, you can't do that without knowing
how to deal with them when they get sick, when
they get injured. So when you're teaching someone how to
keep cattle, you also have to teach them what to
do when there's a problem. That's veterinary medicine. So they

(01:54:55):
taught us that too. They taught us literally literally everything
we know. They taught us math.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
I mean, now, at some point, we as as a
human race, seem to have forgotten a lot of the
ancient wisdom and abilities that we've had in the past.
And that brings me to the aspect of a negative
extraterrestrial presence that have could have been interacting with humanity.
Lots of people say, you know, reptilians or dark entities

(01:55:23):
of that nature. Do you think that there is that
aspect where we have these negative reptilians whispering in our
ears and trying to get us in a different direction
and keep us in a closed or non energetic state
of mind.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Energetic.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
I do not know about the reptilians. I have not
studied them, but I do know that the ancient legends
spoke of a race of extraterrestrials giants. Now, the Nordics
were giants. They stood from seven to nine feet tall.
Their lifespan was about one thousand years, just like today,

(01:55:58):
they're said to be seven to nine feet tall. Their
lifespan is about a thousand years. They spoke a bird language.
This is interesting thing. But all around the world. We've
got this out of North America, South America, this bird language.
Then this brings all of these Nordic extraterrestrials together. I'll
talk about that a little bit later, But as far

(01:56:19):
as the negative aliens, the Nordics went to battle against
a race of giants that were attacking humans. There were
weight on Earth, heavy weight on Earth, and they may
Now here's the thing, I don't know who there were
extraterrestrial giants, but there were earth born giants and what

(01:56:43):
Because of the way we hide history, I don't know
if there were earth born giants and extraterrestrial giants, or
if all of the earth born giants were children of
hybrid children of the extraterrestrials. Well, whoever they were, they
were literally eating all the food. They were hunting us

(01:57:04):
as we hunt deer. They were hunting humans and they
may have been. Some of these giants were children of
extraterrestrials with humans. There were Nordic extraterrestrials that were tasked
with going after these giants, some of which were extraterrestrial,

(01:57:26):
to wipe them off of Earth, to eradicate them from Earth.
And we have stories of ancient wars between factions of extraterrestrials.
We have the Scandinavian legends talk about a race of
giants that you know Odin, he was friend of mankind,

(01:57:46):
you know him, and thor Frea. They protected humans against
a race of it almost seemed like they were related
kindred giants, as if they were all once. It almost
seemed as if they were all ones. And so there
were there were factions at play. We get this out
of Ireland. They also went to battle against a race

(01:58:09):
of giants known as Felmorians. And these giants do like
fifteen ten to fifteen feet tall. We have legends of
ancient technology that they used against the giants, but they
did not use this technology against humans, and that this
is really interesting to me. I'm sure you've heard of
the Vietnam incident where we shot at an extraterrestrial ship,

(01:58:35):
you know, during the war, and that ship returned a
missile that we shot at it. We have the serial
number it, you know, we shot at it. It took
that same missile and shot at one of the ships
that were you know, one of our ships and hid
it in the ocean. It had these extraterresturers. They have
the pot they could blow us out of the sky.

(01:58:55):
They could blow it, they could wipe us out. They
have advanced technology. But it used our missile as if
they say, hey, don't shoot at us, don't shoot it.
You can't win this, and we're not going to go
you know, we're not going to use our technology. We're
going to be on your level. We have a story
out of ancient Ireland identical to that. When the Tuatha
day din on the fairies of Ireland, arrived in Ireland

(01:59:18):
early on, they had to go to battle against the
race of giants that were there alongside humans that were
you know, with the giants. They were under the giants thumbs.
They before they would go into battle, they said, let's
compare weapons. You show me your weapons when we were
fighting with spears. So they showed that they were going

(01:59:38):
to fight with spears and so they fought us with spears,
these things out of the cosmos. They had flying machines
they came from the stars. They had on Earth. They
had transcontinental ships you know that sailed across the ocean
with GPS systems. They were self propelled, self navigating, voice activated.

(02:00:01):
You tell it where to go and it would take
you there. We're almost to that point, we've almost achieved
that technology that they had thousands of years ago. But
you know, they were they they did not fight humans
with extraterrestrial technology. They used our weapons then and they're

(02:00:22):
doing it now. And from what I can see when
they bring out the big guns, that is to fight
something else, usually on our behalf. So that's what.

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Well, that brings me to the aspect of are these
beings spiritual, our technological or a combination of both? Right now,
seems the human race is being split apart into two
different directions. Seems that we're they're trying to extinguish spirituality
in all forms and get us into this material technological

(02:00:57):
age where we all plug ourselves into something called the
metaverse and just stay there forever and don't experience our
natural lives anymore. And there's this group of people that
just want us to go there. But there's this other group,
which I consider myself to be a part of, that
wants to get back to a natural state, that knows
that we have these abilities to manifest and do very

(02:01:19):
powerful things and magic and things of that nature on
our own without the help of technology or machinery. But
it seems that there's different aspects to these beings. Some
seem technological, some seem spiritual, some seem both. I know
that after I had my contact experience with what I
now understand is my spirit guides, there was a major

(02:01:41):
spiritual aspect and no materialistic, no technological aspects to it
at all. But I want to get your take on
these beings and are there different types of more spiritual
beings besides the Nordics.

Speaker 4 (02:01:55):
Well, they're definitely more than one species of extraterrestrial and
they're all going to be different as far as you
know how they view us and you know how they
view Earth. But a lot of what's going on to
take away spirituality, I think that's humans. I think we're
doing that. I don't think there's a I mean, there

(02:02:15):
could be a race of extraterrestrial doing it, but it
seems to me that we're doing that to ourselves because
the ones that I've personally studied, they were very technological,
but they were also very very spiritual. Even in the Bible,
it spoke of the you know, the if you believe
you can do anything, supposedly, and this is in the Bible,

(02:02:38):
this is in the New Testament. This is what Jesus said,
everything that he did, all of his miracles. You me,
everybody should be able to do those same miracles. We
supposedly all have the ability, but for some reason it's
been taken. You know, it's we've been taught, not taught,

(02:03:01):
or you know, tamp down. But you know, he raised
the dead, he multiplied food, everything he did, and he
did it out of love. And he taught love. Everything
he taught and was love. And if you take the Noah,
you know, if if if, if this if the Biblical
was also the Nordic extraterrestrials. Everything they taught what you know,

(02:03:26):
they were trying to teach love from one another and
love for nature. You take the Native American religion, now
these beings were also in the Americas, and you take
the Native American absolute harmony with nature. I don't think
extraterrestrials took it, took it or taking it away. I
think humans are taking it away. I think the extraterrestrials

(02:03:50):
they one of the things with me, and I know
that a lot of other abductees contact these experiencers say
the same thing that you go on to their ships
and you know, forgetting people laying on a table being
poked and prodded. When I was on board the ships,
they were testing me, I was undergoing psychic testing. Uh

(02:04:13):
telekinesis remote viewing, just testing of you know, internal abilities
and so forth. And I think a lot of people
are undergoing that. They're also showing humans, you know, they
take us up there and then they show us. They
show us beautiful, beautiful places that you can't kind of
like the Avatar movies, the way everything glows. I've seen that,

(02:04:37):
and I think others have described seeing that too, where
things you have an aura that glow. They've showed they
show us beautiful, beautiful places that exist. And I believe
that I believe that they are very very spiritual, and
I know that from the ones I've studied, do believe
in higher power that is different from them, that they

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believe in that is benevolent.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Now, they've had plenty of accounts for people who claim
to have been abducted by various races that there are
human military personnel present during some of these instances. They'll
see humans mixed in with whatever extraterrestrial beings, and sometimes
it's not so pleasant. Was happening like you were talking
about earlier, people on a table being what they perceive

(02:05:25):
as done experiments. But you know, a lot of these instances,
I find when people are getting regressed and they find
out more about it, it ends up being something that
was for their benefit. They just didn't know it at
the time. But I want to get your take on
that and the possibility that there are levels and factions
of our military that know a lot more than Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
Absolutely. Well. First of all, we do know that there
are some extraterrestrials that look just like us. They're not
all gray, reptilian, nor whatever there are, and they and
they may be us having been taken.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
We have.

Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Civilizations that have just banished off of this planet and
we don't know what happened to him that. We don't
believe they died off. I believe that they may have
been relocated to another planet. In the cosmos, and that
might be what we're seeing with some of the human extraterrestrials.
I do personally believe that. Charles James Hall, he was

(02:06:24):
in the military in the nineteen sixties. He was in
the Air Force and he was out in Nevada, and
he has written several books on his own personal encounters
called the Millennial Hospitality Series, and he described a race
of beings known as the Tall Whites. This was another
race of Nordics that he personally encountered and interacted with.

(02:06:44):
But he also spoke of how the generals he called
him and these were the human generals, were in contact
with these beings as well. And he spoke of these
generals being taken on one of the spaceships out to
the moon or through the galaxy. I don't know where
they took them, and they came back laughing. They were
having a grand old time. They were taken on a
joy ride in a UFO. So there is definitely, you know,

(02:07:10):
we definitely know that human military does have some contact
with these and some relationship with at least one species
of extrater well. The Eisenhower Treaty where supposedly Eisenhower President
Eisenhower made an agreement with supposedly the Grade. Now it's

(02:07:33):
my understanding that he met with the Nordics and they
wanted us to go anti nuke, which you can't really
do that because you have to get every country on
Earth to agree to it. You can't just ask one
because it's not going to relate to everybody. But they
wanted us to go anti nuke, and they were going
to teach us like spirituality, just beautiful, beautiful things. And

(02:07:54):
I guess instead, and they told us not to trust
the Grades, and I guess he in my understand I
may be incorrect about this, but my understanding is he
made a deal with I believe it was the Grays
to abduct humans. That to allow them to abduct humans.
Now this is interesting because the fairies a violent that

(02:08:15):
to auth the day Dena on the Nordic aliens that
were here in the Bronze Age, they abducted humans. Well,
they actually abducted one another too, but only after receiving permission.
They would play usually play a game, I play, play
me a game of chess. If you win, you know
I will give you some advanced piece of technology, some

(02:08:37):
wondrous magical item if I win, me being the extra Trustrial,
I get to name my prize after the fact. I'm
not going to tell you what I want until you know,
unless I win. And of course, and it was always
a king that they were making so it would be
like a president today that they were making these agreements with. Well,
of course they would win and they would say okay,
and the king would say, you want gold, silver or jewels.

(02:08:58):
What do you want? I want your wife. I want
permission to take your wife. And that's what they would do.
They would take the man's wife. Now, in one of
the legends, they said, we're going to come back for
her in one year. So we had a whole year
and he planned to prevent them from taking his wife.
He had a castle, he threw a great party. He

(02:09:20):
knew the exact day they were going to come through
this great party. He had soldiers and people. The castle
was surrounded, he had at lockdown, nobody could get in there.
And yet this extraterrestrial just appears in the room, just
like they do today. Only the king and the queen
saw the Extra trustrall the other people in the room,
just like today. The king was rendered unable to move,

(02:09:46):
he was paralyzed. He could see, he could hear, but
he could not move. He could not shout out to
stop it. And he wanted the extraterrestrial go to his wife,
take her in his arm, and float up into the
air and out through the roof, just like they do today,
I mean the similarities. And he got his wife back.

(02:10:09):
And in these ancient abductions, they always seem to get
their families back. But unlike today, where it's just a
few hours, it was usually they were usually kept for
a year, and they appeared to have been kept for
cloning because in one of the abductions, when the king

(02:10:30):
was able to retrieve his wife, he knew where she
was and he went together there were fifty identical clones.
Now this is an extraterrestrial fortress on Earth underground. This
is another thing, and we've got these underground. They lived,
you know, they had underground fortresses around the world. This
extraterrestrial brought out fifty identical women to the king's wife

(02:10:52):
and said, okay, pick out your wife from these, and
he couldn't. He could not pick out his wife. They
were identical until he made some signal that he recognized,
oh that's my wife, and he got his wife back,
but they were cloning humans thousands of years ago. I mean,
it's just it's just amazing to me.

Speaker 1 (02:11:11):
Yeah, absolutely, that's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:11:13):
You say underground.

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
It brings me to the theory that, you know, possibly
many of these beings may not be coming from different
star systems across the galaxy, that maybe some of them
have always been here, or maybe just in a different spectrum,
a different dimension that is very close to our planet
but not in outer space per se. What are your

(02:11:37):
thoughts on that that these beings just kind of exist
beyond our perception.

Speaker 4 (02:11:41):
Well, there's two One, we have found the underground cities
all around the world. In Turkey, there's one of the
cities they found that was so big that it could
I want to say it's Sacramento, the entire city of Sacramento, California,
or one of those cities could fit could live in
this underground city that was found. And we've got them

(02:12:02):
all around the world. And at the same time, we
have legends that these the Greek gods, the Celtic gods,
that we have the legends in the Americas of them
living above ground and underground. So that's you know, one
set of legends, but we also have legends that sound
like they had wormhole technology and the ability to portals

(02:12:26):
on Earth, that you would step through this portal and
be transported to another location on Earth or possibly off planet.
We I love the Cherokee legends. I've really fall in
love with the Cherokee Indians and their history. It's just
absolutely beautiful to me. But there was a village in distress.
It was in danger from some outside I don't know

(02:12:50):
if it was Indian tribes or human and whoever it was.
And there was a supernatural race known as the Nunihi.
Now they're not described as Nordic aliens, but their activities
are identical. They went to this village and said, okay,
we live in peace and safety. We have plenty of food.

(02:13:12):
You know, we never grow old, we never grow sick.
You're welcome to come live with us, you know, leave
your village and come live with us, and you will
be safe. And some of them didn't want to. Some
of them didn't go, so they watched the others leave.
But they took them into a mountain, and what they
saw inside this mountain was as if they were stepping
through a portal into outdoors. There was like a valley,

(02:13:37):
and there was the sun and the sky, and there
were houses all around, and so it was as if
they went into a mountain and stepped through a portal
and went somewhere. Now, on the opposite end of this,
we have in I think it was the Ankle legends,
there's a legend of a mountain, a hill. There were
three windows in this hill, and people came out of

(02:14:01):
these windows as if they were portals. There was a
you know, a group of humans, unidentified group of humans
came out of one window, Another unidentified group of humans
came out another window, and then the gods came out
the third window, and it was as if they came
through a portal into Inca territory. So, you know, we
have the Cherokees going into a portal into a mountain,

(02:14:23):
vanishing somewhere. We have the Incas, you know, people coming
through a portal appearing they had this portal technology. So
we also have a legend out of ancient Ireland where
you had to have a piece of technology to travel
almost interdimensionally. This woman lost her I think it was

(02:14:46):
a necklace or ring of some item that she wore
on her body and she lost it, and all of
her people went through a portal into somewhere else and
she could not join them because she lost whatever item
allow her to travel that way. We have Cherokee legends
of stepping through portals, and you're on a mountain, You're

(02:15:08):
surrounded by trees on a path. The next thing you know,
you step through a portal and you don't even see
the portal. It's invisible unless you have a guide and
they know where to walk to go through. You step
through the portal and instead of mountains and trees, all
of a sudden, you've got cornfields and peach trees. It's
and just from stepping through this one portal.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
Well, that aspect where is so fascinating.

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
I've seen well it makes me the first think of
that the doors to nowhere on these ancient megalithic structures.
But then I've actually seen a video of a paranormal
investigative team at the new kind of paranormal hotspot called
the Meadow.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
It's in Alabama.

Speaker 1 (02:15:47):
My friend Trey Hudson was conducting this investigation where he
sent a team out to a field where a black
cube of manifested in the field and when they got there,
they disappeared from view they were on and they were gone,
and then they realized they were somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (02:16:03):
They're feeling around.

Speaker 1 (02:16:04):
There's picker bushes that didn't exist before.

Speaker 2 (02:16:06):
They can't see.

Speaker 1 (02:16:07):
They have to backtrack for many many feet till they
find out where the entrance or exit was to this
thing that they walked into, and then they appear right
back on camera, like about twenty feet, no, about twenty
feet further from where they entered. So it was the
most insane footage I've ever seen, but it was real.

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
It was absolutely real.

Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
And you hear of cryptid encounters where like Bigfoot will
step out of a portal or a dog man and
things like that. So I think there's definitely something to
portal technology and these beings having the ability to step
through two different dimensions.

Speaker 4 (02:16:41):
Different There's a lot on our planet that we do
not understand, and we have taught our children not to
believe in. I mean, you know, the Native Americans, they
taught their children this is real. All of this is real.
The extraterrestrials are real, the portals are real, and they
talk their children the truth. We teach our children it's

(02:17:05):
not real. It's a boogeyman. It doesn't exist. Oh there's
a monster, you know, coming and taking you out of
your bed. Oh, well, you know, that's just you know,
it's just it's not real. Don't believe in it, don't
believe in ghosts, don't believe in God, don't believe in anything.
You know, it's not real. And that's what we teach
our kids. And that's very, very sad, because there is
so much more to human existence and the planet in

(02:17:29):
the world than what we're being taught. It's just absolutely
I have interesting unrelated story of psychic you know, the
psychic ability. We adopted a dog a number of years ago,
and she was a yo yo dog, a shelter dog,
and she'd been bounced from home to home, and we

(02:17:49):
adopted her and my husband heard in his mind and
we weren't planning to rename her, but my husband heard
in his mind the name Pasha, and I heard in
my mind the name Sasha when she was in the
room with us shortly after we adopted her, and we

(02:18:10):
didn't talk about it for a couple of weeks, and
then we both realized, you know, it was almost we
don't know what her name. All of her names were,
and I would I try to get a hold of
the shelter to find out if she had ever been
named Pasha or Sasha, but they didn't want to talk
to us because she had been returned to them so
many times. I think they were afraid that we were
calling to return her again. But she stayed with us

(02:18:33):
for the rest of her life. But it was I
think it was a psychic from her, some memory that
she shared with us. And it's just amazing that we
just don't acknowledge the beauty of this world and the
plants and the animals and the abilities that exists everyone. Yes,

(02:18:56):
it's all connected. It's all connected, and we just don't
allow it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:01):
Now, I want to bring this back around to the
type of end of day's discussion to close this out.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
Do you think that we have.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
A possibility of changing our timeline or shifting this to
where we don't have to go through a global cataclysm,
that it could possibly be avoided somehow other than extraterrestrial intervention.

Speaker 4 (02:19:24):
I don't think we can stop it. I mean, because
it's cosmic, you can't. I don't, that's far. I don't
even think the extra trust rebels have the ability to
stop it. But one thing that I didn't mention before,
and you don't see this on the mainstream media, but
you can find it if you are looking for it.
Scientists claim that we are currently in what is known

(02:19:45):
as a sixth mass extinction event. Right now. Honeybees that
polony our food supply, are dying off at an alarming rate. Butterflies,
bats are dying by the millions. Analopes, tens of thousands
of anelotes just dropped dead and nobody knew why. Lions
and tigers and cheetahs, all the big cats, they are

(02:20:07):
facing extinction. They are literally facing extinction. Giraffes, There are
species of gorillas basing extinction. One news article I read
was Earth has lost half of its wildlife in the
past forty years. And this is they're calling this a

(02:20:27):
mass extinction event, and they're not talking about humans going extinct,
but it seems like everything else is on the verge,
and it were just so busy just quibbling over human
I don't know, they're not talking about it, and I
think they don't want to talk about it because there's

(02:20:48):
no good solution. They if you can't bring a good solution,
then they don't want to alarm people because look at
what we're doing now, I mean, look at the humanity.
And this is something was also predicted. The hand dou
Holy books in particular spoke of the humans at the

(02:21:09):
end of days, that we would lose seventy five percent
of our humanity, of our decency, of our morality when
the end of day, and I mean you just, oh,
my god, it's unbelievable watching how we have, what we're
doing to each other. Oh, it's crazy. But the Book

(02:21:30):
of Ezra in the Bible, it says that at the
end of days, friends will attack one another just suddenly,
intelligence will go into hiding, wisdom will withdraw from the earth,
wickedness and the lack of restraint. Restraint just multiplies. This
is the Book of Ezra, the Old Testament, the New

(02:21:50):
Testament speaks of nation rising against nation. Many show this
is weird, the wording is weird. Many show be offended
and hate one another, and then Christians, of course will
be hated most of all. But offended. I love that
word because look at you know today, you know, offend.

(02:22:11):
Everybody's offended. The Norse prophecies say the same things, humans
turning against each other. No one will have mercy. But
the Hindus say it best of all. They call this
age the kali yuga. This is the end, the last
cycle of a cycle of four. They call it an
age of depravity, unrestrained by any law, where every man

(02:22:33):
is against its neighbor. Truth is mistaken for lies. Lies
are mistaken for truth. Justice will be sought and not found.
This is an age of hardship for people who hold
true to their morals and ethics and values. We will

(02:22:54):
deceive each other by spreading the net of virtue. Is
this an ancient way of talking about virtue signaling?

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:23:05):
I mean this is warning from thousands of years ago.
I mean it just we will be This is another
good one, the Hindoo mahabarida. We will be quote deceived
by the false science of reasons. This is insane. When
you read these ancient prophecies that literally describe today exactly,

(02:23:31):
it's amazing to me.

Speaker 1 (02:23:33):
Yeah, it's it's very profound. Now to close out with
everything we're seeing right now occurring. You said that we
have you know, we have time to that everything plays out.
Do you think that there are those in control that
definitely know what is ahead and are possibly controlling agendas

(02:23:55):
and outcomes right now that could be directly linked to this.

Speaker 4 (02:24:01):
I don't know how they could not know. If an
ordinary person like me, like you, like you know, all
of there are so many of us, you know, studying
ancient history, if we can figure it out, I don't
know how they could not know. But you can't look
at this period of time, this end of days and
everything that's going to happen. It's just going to get

(02:24:23):
worse and worse. I mean until you know the end
and they come down. But there is light, and I
do want to end with that because we will be
to And I think this may be part of why
they're cloning, the cloning technology. I think this may be
part of the whole human alien hybrid. They've been doing

(02:24:44):
the hybrid thing for thousands of years. I've written about
that too, the whole human alien hybrid. A lot of
what I think they're doing is in order to prepare
us to live on another planet, because you have to think,
you know, they're not old. Even if it's Earth like,
there's going to be some diferences. And I think that
some of what they're doing when the Bible and some

(02:25:05):
of the other religious texts talk about we will live
there in our new bodies. And I'm not talking about
invisible spirit. I'm talking about physical, flesh and blood. Evacuation
of humans from Earth somewhere out into the cosmos onto
a new planet Earth. And this is what we've been

(02:25:26):
promised by extraterrestrials around the world is going to happen.
They are literally our taxi kit. The mother Well, I'm
going to talk about the mothership, the biblical mothership. It's
called New Jerusalem. The Bible predicts New Jerusalem. It is
a mothership. The size that we've been given in stadia

(02:25:49):
and furlongs how big it's going to be. The bottom
is square for equal sides, and the measurement of the
size is the same, and then the measurement of the
height is the same. So it could either be a
pyramid or it could be a cube like a board cube.
Then this mothership is so big that it if it
was hovering over the United States, it would cover over

(02:26:12):
sixty six percent of the continental US. This is a
mothership of multitudinous proportions that could take millions off the planet.
And this is just one prophecy of a mothership just one.
We have these motherships that have been here historically. The

(02:26:36):
Maha Brada had all sorts of descriptions of ancient flying
cities dron as flying car, which resembled a city coursing
through the skies. Salwa controlled an air ranging city that
scudded through the skies. The Dedeas race of beings supported
themselves on a sky ranging, unearthly aerial city which flew

(02:27:00):
anywhere it will, into the water, into the sky, and
maneuvered like a UFO. Today crooked like a UFO. The
car of Indra comes down out of the clouds and
it moves with such speed that the eye can barely
mark its progress, like a UFO shooting across the sky.

(02:27:21):
We have it, you know, We've got this in the
you know, ancient India. We've got it out of the Bible.
We've got the Norse techno, you know, the Norse skid
lad Neir, we have the Book of Enoch, we have
the Hudson Valley. UFOs, they said they, you know, they
describe some of the UFOs as flying cities. So this
concept of a mothership in the Bible coming down that

(02:27:42):
they call New Jerusalem, this is not new.

Speaker 3 (02:27:44):
It is not.

Speaker 4 (02:27:45):
You know, we've been talking about this for thousands of
years and it's all around the world. There is and
I don't want to just say that. You know, you
talk about Christianity because I study that, But christian are
not the only people who will be evacuated. So you've
got to be really, really careful on how you interpret these.

(02:28:06):
I believe it's kind of like if you've ever taken
a cruise on a cruise ship and everybody's allotted a
lifeboat and a person that leads that lifeboat, and it's like,
you know, if the ship starts thinking this is where
you go, this is your life boat. I believe that
that's what these prophecies are. Christianity is a singular life
voat series of life boats for a group of people.

(02:28:27):
But you have Norse lifeboats, You've got Hindu you've got
all around the world, Native America, You've got all around
the world. Everybody's got a lifeboat, one or more lifeboats,
and people piloting those lifeboats. This is not just for
one religion. There is not one religion that's going to
be saved. I think that more of us it is

(02:28:50):
going to I think it's going to be based on
you you know who you are as a person, because
not everyone. I don't think everyone is going to get
I don't think they're going to take everybody, but I
think it's going to be you know, a heart of
each person that determines who does and does not get taken.

Speaker 1 (02:29:10):
Well, we definitely are living in fascinating and profound times.
There's so much more we could discuss here and that
was fantastic. So I'd love to have you back on
in the future.

Speaker 4 (02:29:20):
Yeah, I'd love to come back for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:29:23):
Well, before you head out, let everyone know where they
can find your books, social media, website, all that good stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
You can find. All of my books are on Amazon there.
All of them exist in Kindle, some of them are
Enkindle Unlimited. Some of them are on Audible, you know
Audible for audiobooks. Most of them are also in paperback
form on Amazon. You just look for Sharon Dela Rose
on Amazon and you will find them. There are thirteen

(02:29:52):
i think nonfiction extraterrrestrial, and there's some other books as well,
and nature books. I've written some pretty cool nature books,
I think, and a dog book. You can find me.
I have a website Sharondelarrose dot com. My name it
will be simple. I'm on Facebook Sharon Dela Rose, so
it's I'm out there. Perfect, We'll share it, not hard

(02:30:15):
to find.

Speaker 2 (02:30:16):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:30:16):
Well, that was excellent and we will definitely have to
talk again in the future.

Speaker 4 (02:30:20):
I would love that. Perfect and I very much thank
you for being here.

Speaker 1 (02:30:25):
Oh, I thank you, thank you so much, and until
next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.

Speaker 2 (02:30:30):
We will be talking again tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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