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I want to welcome Ryan Bledsoe. He has had experiences
with supernatural phenomenon UFOs and intelligence agencies following an entity
encounter in two thousand and seven, known as one of

(02:07):
the most publicly documented cases.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Of all time.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
He also hosts a podcast with his best friend Nick
discussing the paranormal spirituality, UFOs, consciousness, and all things weird
Beyond the Veil. Bledsoe said, So, Ryan, welcome. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm doing good. How about yourself?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm doing great, man. And like I told you before,
this has been really long overdue, but I'm looking forward
to this. You're in your family's experiences with this unexplained
phenomena is very incredible and like I said in your intro,
it's one of the most documented cases in history and
it demonstrates the multiple layers of this phenomenon. From paranormal

(02:48):
activity to UFOs and interdimensional entities. It has it all.
So it's really amazing and this is actually your first
time on, so i'd love to start. Let's start from
the beginning. Man, For those that aren't familiar with your case,
what do you remember from the earliest occurrences?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Sure, and thank you for having me on. First of all,
that's incredibly kind of you. I suppose it was a
long time overdue. So yeah, So the earliest thing I remember,
I was thirteen years old and my dad, he's a
pretty well known guy by the name of Chris Bledsoe,
was fishing out on the Cape Fair River with my

(03:29):
oldest brother, Chris Jr. And three of their coworkers slash contractors.
At the time. They had like a like a housing contracting,
you know, like carpentry kind of thing, and they finished
a job and Friday evening, I'm pretty sure it was Friday,
and they wanted to go out and go fishing. So

(03:50):
they go to the Cape River, really isolated place, and
what happened there ended up being one of the most
documented cases of all time. They did a whole tea
documentary on it. So how deep do you want me
to go into.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
That well, I was hoping that you could give for
the audience that may not be as familiar with the case,
some of the highlights of it, some of the most
profound occurrences that happened throughout that period.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Okay, sure, it's about I don't know, four thirty five
pm in the evening, and that's important because in January,
as you know, it gets dark around five five thirty
at least in North Carolina. So they get there in
the evening and they're fishing, and my dad is in
a super just dark place in his life. He had

(04:38):
sold his multimillion dollar like housing development business, and you know,
just extremeal circumstances in our personal life. He had to
settle for more of like a smaller contracting gig, and
he was just really down and out. And you know,
I was thirteen at the time. I have another brother
and another sister. They were only like fifteen and ten.

(04:58):
And then our oldest brother, Chris Junior, he's out of
school at the time. That's important as well. He's working
with my dad, So he's there that night and they
get there, they're fishing for a little bit. My dad
is just not really feeling it. You know, but he
doesn't want to ruin the fund. So just for a
little context, the river is a very secluded area about
a half mile off the road down a very narrow

(05:21):
wooded trail. The only one vehicle can go in and
out at a time. But when you get down the trail,
it's this big clearing kind of like you know, like
a Culda sac formation, like a large circleish clearing on
the Cape Fair River, which is a huge river that
goes almost all the way through North Carolina and anyway.
So Dad walks up the trail that you know, the

(05:43):
truck drives down, and he just just takes a stroll.
It's about a finn minute walk, you know, like I said,
it's about half a mile. And when he's walking along
the trail, he hears things in the woods that are
just really creeping him out and giving him the shivers.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
He's he's been a hunter his whole life, hunted bear, deer, anything,
and this sound just really unsettled him. And he would
get down on his hands and knees and try to
like look in the brush, you know, look down and
you know, literally in the dirt, trying to figure out
what this noise was you can never figure it out.
And when he would stop, the sound would stop. When
he would start walking again, the sound and the bushes

(06:18):
and then the trees would you know, start making the
rustling sound again. And my father to this day tells
me that was the scariest part of the whole thing,
was not knowing.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
What it was in the woods.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
It was freaking him out. So he gets to the
top of the clearing and when he gets there, excuse me,
he sees on the horizon up in the sky across
a massive field, so it's just you know, like a
football size and a half at least trees on the
other side, so you can clearly see the horizon. There's
two massive, fiery orange balls. At first he thought it

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was the sun, you know, it's that evening time, five,
five thirty whatever. But then he realized, wait, there's two
of them. And about by the time he realized it
wasn't the sun, a third one shoots up beside them.
My dad's freaking out, Oh my god, I know what's
going on. You know, it's obviously something out of this world.
Turns around, it runs back down that same trail. It's
nighttime now. When he gets there. My brother Chris Junior

(07:12):
is freaking out, and the other three contractors are freaking
out to They're all like, where have you been? Where
have you been? The truck is in a different spot,
it's moved, which you know, indicates that it's the time
had gone by. But in my dad's perspective, he was
only gone about fifteen to twenty minutes, so you know
the length of time it takes to go up and
back the trail on foot. And my brother was explaining

(07:34):
to my dad that he had seen these little things
in the woods with red eyes, and you know, in
the heat of the moment, they couldn't really understand what
they were communicating. It was just pure chaos. They all
get back in the well. Actually, let me slow down.
One of them says, look, and they look up and
they see what looks like stars in the sky scrambling

(07:54):
around like white lights. And then they shoot down and
one of these things lands on the other side of
the river, just from the sky, look like a star
and boom, now it's on the other side of the river,
just a very bright white light. So now they all
get in the truck. They rush out of there down
that you know, narrow wooded trail, and several of the
guys said that they saw something running on all fours

(08:18):
up to the truck and hop on the back of it.
My dad didn't see that. He was driving anyway. So
they get through this top of the clearing, and when
they're at the clearing out of the woods, about to
like you know, hit the dirt road back to the highway,
there's another one of those things blocking their path. Like
it's the way I would describe it as like a light.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's like a.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Brilliant, you know, kind of round, ovalish white light.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It moves.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
They rush home, they get everybody home. They're all fighting
about who gets to go home first. They're freaking out.
They are literally thinking it's the end of the world.
And when my dad and my brother get home, they
start freaking out. They're locking the doors, turning all the lights,
and at some point throughout the night, the dogs start

(09:04):
barking really rough in the backyard, you know, like something's
going on. My brother is very upset, you know, don't
go out there, don't go out there, lock the doors.
My dad goes out there. He has to figure out
what's going on, and he follows our dog to the woods.
We lived on a six acre lot out in the country,
so we had a lot of woods on our property.

(09:24):
I used to play in these woods growing up, so
you know, we know them very well. And anyway, so
Dad's out in these woods. He follows the dog. He
sends the dog, he says, you know, go go get
him Rose, And the dog runs through the bushes and
my dad runs around the bushes trying to see what's
in there. And he gets to a clearing in the
woods in our backyard and he sees standing under this tree,

(09:47):
there's this three to four foot tall glowing entity with
red eyes, which you know, they later understood that that's
what Chris Junior was seeing in the woods earlier that
night at the Cape Fur River. And then I believe
it was the next night, or it was very soon after,
there was another incident where my dad saw a light
in the backyard. Again, my brother's very upset and at

(10:11):
the time, my mother, my sister, and my brother Jeremy.
This was over a weekend. We were staying at my
grandmother's house across town, so we were not there. It
was my dad and my brother. They were the only
ones home. Luck of the draw right, and anyway, so
Dad goes out to the backyard again, he sees another
one and I don't understand how this works, but it's
somehow put in his head. You don't understand. You know,

(10:33):
you have nothing to fear. We're not here to hurt you,
We're here to help you. And anyway, So for ten
months that happened January two thousand and seven, and for
ten months, my dad sat on these events, fighting with
my mom, fighting with his family. No believed him except
his kids and a few other people. You know. Everyone

(10:55):
thought he was crazy, he was demon possessed, he was
on drugs, you name it. They thought it. And he
sat on this for about ten months, and then finally
October of two thousand and seven, he actually my dad
and I and some of my other siblings I can't
remember who, but we were watching like Ufo Files or something,
one of those like Chezufo shows in the early two thousands,

(11:15):
and it said moufon, if you have a sighting, report
to moufon. So we went on moufon dot com. Dad
typed up his report and like I said, ten months
after the initial encounter, he finally sent it and it
was very shortly after that, Moufon responded and said, Hey,
we're going to send you a packet in the mail.
Can you give a more detailed description and some drawings

(11:36):
of what you experienced? So he did. Dad obliged Very
shortly after that, I'm talking within weeks or a month
or two. It was not long at all. They sent
an investigator out to our house. Investigator comes I believe
he was a guy named Steve McGee at first, and
then you know, Steve McGee found some evidence that it

(11:58):
was a very like hands on I guess they call
it contact of the fourth kind, like meaning you see
something face to face, not just like in the sky.
They kicked him to the curb. They got another investigator
named Norm Gagnon. He you know, gets more data, finds
some radiation type stuff in the yard. They get Hollywood

(12:19):
involved in the Discovery Channel. By the next year of
two thousand and eight, they're out on our properties shooting
a Discovery Channel documentary with the actual head and director
of MUFAN and another investigator who was also Homeland security
at the time. Documentary comes out later I believe in

(12:40):
two thousand and eight. It was either two thousand and
eight or two thousand and nine. I don't know, but
it's on the internet, and we were shocked at the
way that we were portrayed so stupid, so like not
telling the truth, just a bunch of bumpkins. And after
that the story in a way it kind of like
gain trend, you know, people on the they saw it

(13:02):
on the TV that a lot of people believed it.
But the people in our town gave us extreme ridicule
and just pure hatred, just treated us like we were trashed,
like we were crazy, really just vilified us. And so
five years goes by. Meanwhile us kids, the Bloodsie kids,

(13:22):
are growing up and we're still seeing these things on
a weekly basis. We're seeing lights in the sky, We're
having a lot of Poulter Guy's type activity in the house.
You know, things like my mom was shoved one time,
something some invisible entity just pushed her. It didn't hurt her,
it just pushed her to get her attention. Things like that.
Things like music would randomly start playing on my speaker sometimes,

(13:44):
or things would crash, light bulbs would go unscrewed. We'd
be walking in the room, the lights on, walk out,
walk back in. The light bulb is unscrewed, that kind
of thing, just crazy things. Five years of this passes
and we're just, you know, like living in a very
dark time where we're on TV made to look bad.
It's still happening. Then in twenty twelve, my dad's another

(14:06):
encounter with an entity who appeared to be human. She
was a female with blonde hair, lies, she floated off
the ground about four feet. She appeared as a bull,
tackled my dad, knocked him over and basically told him, Hey,
you know, this whole story, this whole experience you've had,
this is your burden. You got to go tell the world.
And ever since he's been out on the internet telling

(14:27):
it to as many people will listen. And now I'm
kind of helping out with it and you know, doing
the same. And ever since then, we just we keep
seeing them, you know, keep having interactions. I've seen entities
with myself, most of my siblings have, my mom has,
We've we've pretty much all seen them.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
And could you maybe tell us a little bit about
the entities that you've seen for yourself some of those experiences.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
The one in particular that I'm referencing, I was hanging
out bedroom with one of my really good friends and
we're just chatting. It's really late at night. We're both
in college at the time, in our early twenties, so
you know how, I'm not sure if you went to college,
but you know, in summer, you don't necessarily have anything
to do, might not have a job. You just stay
up late, hang out. We would just stay up late

(15:17):
all the time. And it was one of those nights
and we're probably up two or three in the morning chatting.
He really believes this stuff, so we would privately talk
about it a lot. And he comes from a family
of experiencers of different things like haunted houses and stuff,
and we're talking about this, and one way or another,

(15:38):
we kind of got each other's attention that we saw
this happen. At the same time. Something touched me on
the ribs. It was invisible, just touched me. I can't
really explain it. It felt like kind of like warm electricity.
It wasn't really painful, but it touched me. I lifted
my shirt and I showed him like, oh my god,
there's a little red mark on my ribs, like something

(15:59):
actually just touched me. And his eyes are really wide.
He's freaked out and then I look in the corner
and I see a three to four foot tall entity
with a little round head. It wasn't fully visible. It
was kind of like translucent like glass. Like, it wasn't
full of color, you know, if you could describe glass
as a color. That's how it looked like. It was

(16:20):
kind of like trying to be invisible, but it was
shimmering so you could see it, you know. And it
flashed out before I could even speak or think. And
then I looked over at my friend and he looks
over at me really quick, and it was like we
both knew we just saw that. And he said, did
you see that too? And I said, yeah, I did,
I really did. And anyway, so that was a pretty
profound encounter. I've seen things up close, i'd say about

(16:43):
ten fifteen feet like balls of light that are just intelligent,
moving around the yard on their own with long streaks,
ten twenty foot long streaks, just zipping around the yard.
I've seen them come down, go into the ground and
disperse and then poof there in another you know, location
ten feet away from me, and they're just flying all around.

(17:05):
My dad and I have sat in the yard recently
last year and watched orbs as close as ten feet away.
You know, we still regularly see this phenomenon, and there
are sometimes in the house and right in my front
yard that I've seen flashes of white light and little

(17:25):
It's very hard to describe. I mean, you know, the
best depiction you could give is like a Hollywood movie,
you know, even though it's fiction, but just like a
little flash of white light and it's like a little
figure just running, kind of like it's engulfed by the light.
I've seen things like that up close.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Man, that is insane. Okay, So I want to go
back to whenever this was first occurring and your dad
was trying to get your family to kind of see
what was going on. Was there anything in particular that
turned the tide and made the rest of your family
kind of realize that this was a real phenomenon occurring.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, that's actually a really good question. So me and
my sibs were young, you know. First of all, Chris
Junior was seventeen. He was there, so he didn't need convincing.
He saw it firsthand right away. Me and my other
older brother, Jeremy, and then my younger sister Emily. As
far as I'm concerned. I believed since day one. You know,

(18:23):
my dad comes home, tells me he sees this thing.
I believe him. I'm thirteen anyway, you know, thirteen year
olds tend to, you know, believe things a lot easier.
It scared my sister pretty bad in those early days.
She believed it. Jeremy he believed it as well. He
didn't much like to be so intimately involved with the

(18:44):
experiences because of the treatment we had at school. But
it was my mom. To answer your question, it was
my mom who took the convincing over months or years,
and she still does maintain to this day that she's
not really into it. She doesn't, I mean, she doesn't
necessarily feel thankful that it happened, but she knows that

(19:05):
something's happening. She's seen things crazier to me, even I
would say it took probably, I mean, I don't know,
because I was thirteen. Within the first year, she knew
something weird was going on, especially when that thing shoved
her in the kitchen. She's seen the red eyes out
in the yard walking around freaked her out. She's seen

(19:25):
like shadow people run around the house, and she saw
an entity outside the window my brother saw it too, right,
It was right behind me at like if you see
this photo here, if this was like a window, there
was one like walk right by my head, and she
saw it right behind me. So she's seen crazy things.
But she just lived in denial for many years, not

(19:45):
wanting to come to terms with it.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
But when the Discovery Channel came out and they started filming,
did they kind of portray that they were gonna put
it out in a certain way, and then when it
came out, it was com lead and just completely different
than anything that they were portraying that they were doing.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yes, pretty much. What they had told my dad was
that it was potentially the most important UFO case in
modern times. And they even went so far as to
tell us, like in nineteen fifty two there were government
reports of people seeing the same entities and craft. They
had diagrams drawn from witnesses at the time seeing the
same entities, the same craft described down to the square

(20:29):
inch of these things with accurate perfection, exactly what my
dad saw. They knew we were telling the truth from
the start, and they told us that they came and said,
this is why we know you're telling the truth. That
was before the filming. When the filming happened, they started
throwing curveballs, like putting my dad in a four hour
long what's the thing called light detector test, asking him

(20:52):
a series of over thirty questions over and over and
over until I mean, my dad was so stressed out
during the lighted sector test because it was four hours.
At one point he literally fell asleep, just bored out
of his mind, sitting there like when is this going
to end? When is this going to end? Finally, after
four hours, my dad gets an inconclusive answer. They show
that one to the world that he was not telling

(21:15):
the truth and that he was being deceptive. And there
were some other things too, like the way that they
treated us off camera was not in any manner I
would consider like professional. They use tricks, like, for example,
they would say, we're going to be at your house
at nine am tomorrow morning. We're going to begin filming.
Nine comes around. Hey, something happened. We need you at

(21:37):
the hotel off I ninety five. This is where we're
staying right now. Please, you know, as soon as you
can get here, get here, okay, great. My mom and
dad are thinking, you know, we got the house ready.
They're supposed to come to us and come film next thing.
You know, my dad's going to the hotel ten twenty
minutes away, and when he gets there, they whisk him
into a room. They're like, come in here. They whisk
him into a room, sit him down. In the first

(21:57):
part of the entire documentary filming was they put the
cameras and the lights in his face and they sit
him down and he takes a light detector test and yep,
not even like the hey, how are you nice to
meet you kind of thing. It was just like boom
light detector tests, and then they put that at the end,
you know. So it's just the editing they did was deceptive.
They cut a couple of my mom's words to make

(22:20):
her look like she was saying things she wasn't really saying,
and all around just bad vibe. Brought a lot of
harassment and ridicule to our family.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
And yeah, well luckily, you know, this is kind of
off topic, but you know, the the mainstream entertainment in
Hollywood and these TV shows are kind of falling by
the wayside lately in the past couple of years, and
people are looking at, you know, real stuff like podcasting now,
so you know, that's becoming the mainstream entertainment. So that's

(22:51):
what I you know, see as encouraging about that whole situation,
because you know, that's trash anyway. But I want to
go back to some of the sferrences that happened to
you with let's say, intelligence agency. I know you've had
quite a few run ins with some maybe unknown or
three letter agencies. Could you talk about some of those?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yes, sure. So when I was I would say, fifteen
years old, So this is two years after the initial experience.
It could have been two and a half, you know,
I don't know, but it was. It was a couple
of years. And I'm home one day again, summer break.
I'm in high school. My dad's out about in the
town whatever, my mom's home doing something, and you know,

(23:34):
we're just all doing different things at summer whatever. And
I'm home for some reason, and I hear the doorbell,
and when I go answer the doorbell, it's this six
foot plus really tall guy with white hair and really
beady eyes. You know from looking at a telescope his
whole life, he kind of had eyes like this, like
his eye was permanently you know. Yeah, And he was
just a really intimidating looking guy, and I'm like, Hi,

(23:55):
how can I help you? Hanging around his neck, he
has a it's not a badge, but it's like a
lanyard with like an identity past thing in it, you know,
like a lam in it with an identity thing. And
it was NASA. He says, Hey, I'm you know, Harold Povnmeier.
I'm the press manager for NASA. I just drove all
the way from Cape Canaveral to see Chris bledsoe is

(24:16):
this the right address? I said, yeah, let me call
my dad. I call my dad and I said, hey, Dad,
there's a NASA guy at the front door. And he's like,
keep him occupied. I'll be home in an hour or
something like that. And from then on we've had the
government in our lives ever since I'm twenty eight now,
so this has been I don't know thirteen years. And anyway,
for the record, the people who made the Discovery Channel

(24:39):
with the documentary definitely had backgrounds in the intelligence agency.
So if you count that, it's spent the whole time,
and it started with NASA. He actually came around our
house multiple times a year and we would let him
stay in our house. You know, it's just southern hospitality thing.
Come on in here, stay in the guest room. And
he came dozens of times over eleven years until he

(25:02):
passed away. And that was the first. And I guess
in around twenty twelve, Dad started getting really heavily involved
with like CIA shooters. I guess you could call him,
you know, this guy's in the CIA. He wants to
meet you. This guy's in the CIA, he wants to
meet you too. And he's you know, the whole TTSA
to the Stars Academy thing. He's ran with them, other

(25:27):
CIA people, you know, like are you familiar with American
Cosmic Yeah, yeah, he's met those people as well. And
I don't know what kind of detail you want me
to go into, but well.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I'd love to because this is fascinating. I'd really love
to hear about what if you can kind of what
was what happened with the TTSA and his involvement there.
And you know, I know that there's a lot of
the players with that, you know, I wouldn't trust with
you know, my grandmother, but you know, there's it's very

(26:00):
interesting some of the things that played out since then
and have happened through the mainstream and they're still trying
to push which I don't. I don't trust any of
that mainstream narrative and what's coming out of our government
and the Pentagon and the media just because hey, they
don't have a good fucking track record for telling the
truth about things. Yeah, what was his experience like with

(26:21):
all this?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Okay, so let me just take a step back. So
in about twenty fifteen, I'm pretty sure it was twenty fifteen,
my dad and I and my now wife, who at
the time was just my girlfriend and my mom. The
four of us go to Philadelphia. We got in touch
with this guy who doesn't necessarily like his identity to

(26:44):
be so I'm just going to keep him nameless. It's
not like he's in the CIA. He's just a friend
of our CIA friends who kind of connected us all anyway.
Out of respect his privacy, I won't say his name.
But this individual flew us out, stayed at his had
us stay at his house out near Philly, and had
arranged for us to go to the bar mitzvah of

(27:07):
the grandson of Robin Leech, the millionaire, and the grandson
is just a wonderful young man, a very sweet child,
and he was having some health issues at the time,
and the word had gotten out that people coming to
our property and also seeing these entities up close and
seeing orbs and various phenomenon that happens around us, they

(27:30):
were being healed of life threatening diseases like cancer, some
people like strokes, tumors. They would come to our property
and they would leave, and then they'd have a doctor's
visit and every time, you know, the doctors are like,
I don't know what happened, but it's gone, you know.
And the Robin Leech's grandson was in need of some

(27:51):
sort of miracle, some sort of healing. He had a
serious disease at thirteen years old. So they flew us
out as bar Mitzvah just to kind of get to
know the family and be close. And God man, when
we got there, there was the deputy director of the
CIA was there, and uh, find out the kid's best
friend is Bo Biden's son. And I'm trying to think

(28:13):
the the are you familiar with Jim Simmy Van He's
like the the he's in TTSA. He's the CIA guy
in TTSA.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
And not not really, but I mean, it's the the
name is kind of ringing the bell a little bit.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
That's okay. So he was the CIA head of the
like clandestine services, like the spies. You know, he was there,
We met him involved with this, you know, all this
stuff going on out in this uh you know, went
from to flew out to Philly, drove to New York.
That's where we met the high level CIA officers was
in New York City and we became friends with Jim

(28:48):
Simmy Van who is now either he's like the president
or the vice president of Through the Stars Academy. He
like runs with Tom DeLong, very nice guy, but very
high level, highly connected individual who actually ran the spy
program for the CIA. And you know, it was pretty
surreal being in the same room as like him and
the director, the deputy director at the time of the CIA.

(29:12):
And uh, what what was your question again?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
To get me back on track, No, just tell us
about your your dad's experience with the TTSA and these
three letter agencies.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Right right, So, so I told the whole bar it's
the thing to set the stage of how he met them,
and then going forward, we stayed friends with Jim up
into this day. I think I think he and Dad
even chatted pretty recently, like in the last two or
three weeks, and again I maintained he's he's a very
nice guy. He's he's never said anything funnier off color
to us. I don't one hundred percent know what his

(29:44):
motivations are. I would like to think and hope that
he is exactly who he says he is and he's
doing what he says he's doing. I really have hope
for that. But then again, like you said earlier, it's like,
how do you trust these institutions. It's very hard. But
on my side of the coin, it's very hard when
you're actually meeting him face to face, it's like, damn,

(30:04):
what do I mean?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
So through meeting him, things progressed a little bit, and
then Dad got kind of in touch with Tom Belong,
and Dad flew out to the Hollywood area a few times,
hung out with him. You know, they got to know
each other pretty well. Things progressed to where Dad and
Loue Azondo, and which Loue Alexondo is. He's very active

(30:32):
right now in the UFO community. He is the former
director of the Pentagon Advanced Aerial Threat Identification program, and
that's a very fancy acronym for they basically tracked what
they thought might be UFOs and Loue Alezondo retired from that.
Now he well he's not in TTSCA anymore, but he was.

(30:53):
So Louie Alezondo and Tom DeLong flew my dad out
to Ohio. So my dad get them medals because through
another CIAIA contact, Sorry I'm having a hard time. Through
one of our other CIA contacts, Dad knew where he
could get his hands on some medals. And I'll go
back to that guy in a little bit. Goes out

(31:16):
and gets some medals. And then things progressed even further,
and they wanted Dad to be like a core member
of TTSA, and unfortunately he did have to decline. It
just wasn't Dad's you know, personal interest or advantage or
what have you to tell his story one hundred percent
as truthfully as he desires to and be a core
member of TTSA. So he did have to decline. That

(31:38):
talks of a movie, they wanted to fund a project.
It just didn't go. And so then back to twenty twelve,
I'm going backwards in time a little bit because I
skipped over a CIA guy. And there's this guy named
Timothy Taylor. He's kind of mythologized in this popular UFO

(31:58):
book called American Cosmic. Given the pseudonym and you know
is Tyler Dirden, and he's made out to be like
a billionaire boy who has like all this experimental technology
and reality, at least my experience of him, he came
to our house and started asking us questions like how
do you know this stuff? And he he had these

(32:19):
pieces of metal with him. You are familiar with what
I'm talking about, right, yeah, yeah, okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
So he had these pieces of metal with him, put
them in our hands one by one are family members,
and when we touched the pieces of metal, they would
send electricity through our bodies, you know, So just weird things.
He did these kind of like little experiments like that,
and he did show us a PowerPoint slide about like
area fifty one and other things of that nature, and

(32:46):
basically said at the time, we would really prefer if
you didn't go talk about this in any public capacity.
But me, I mean, I'm quite the rebellious type and
I feel like the world does deserve the truth. So
here I am don't here trying to share what I know.
But yeah, so go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, finish.

(33:08):
I was gonna say, if anybody wants to know about
that guy, they can just read American Cosmic. And they
didn't write about my dad in the book, unfortunately. But anyway,
so that guy is the one I'm talking about who
came to our property, brought the metals, and we don't
really talk to him much anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Now did did he or any of these three later
agency guys give you any indication of what they thought
was really going on with this whole phenomenon?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, so post moffon documentary, right, because those people were deceptive.
They told us they believe us, and then to the
world they portrayed us another way. So the Timothy Taylor
individual the like the Gym Simmi Vans and that crowd,
those CIA individuals one hundred percent in private were tell
oh In louisl Asando as well in private communicated some

(33:59):
of them to I never met Luel Azando face to face,
so I just haven't had that opportunity to speak to him,
but I do know he told my father in private
as well as the other guys that they know without
a doubt that the way that we're experiencing the phenomenon,
what's happening to us is true. It's truly true, it's
really happening. We were told that most of the stuff

(34:22):
on the Internet is fake regarding UFO stuff, which is
why I maintain this position so strongly on like my
show and my podcast. I do one hundred percent based
on my experiences, the people I've met, and just what
I've observed. You know, everybody knows about Operation mocking Bird.
I mean everybody knows by now. I would hope that

(34:42):
you know, there's a lot of propaganda out there in
the Internet. But anyway, so the majority of UFO stuff
out there is fake, and in reality, it's a more spiritual,
interdimensional phenomenon. It's not necessarily so nuts and bolts like
we're led to believe by this, you know, this whole
Hollywood operation going on, and they tell that, They tell
us like Jim Simmidan told me on the phone, he
told me in my backyard a separate time. He tells

(35:05):
my dad they're still email and he maintains you you're
the guy, like you're the most studied experiencer in the world.
People want peace of you, and they just gass us
up and tell us like they're so honored to meet us. Now,
why they don't go talk about us publicly and vindicate
us and back us up? I'm not sure. I couldn't
tell you. I wish I knew the answer. But in private,

(35:28):
they're all about us, and they're all, you're, you're, you're legit.
I can't believe we're here. And you know, what do
they tell you? We really want to know. And one
thing is particularly that was communicated to my dad was
that they really don't have contact with these entities that
they're that they're not particularly so friendly with these government
organizations that specifically referring to the entities now entities go ahead,

(35:53):
and I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, no, it's okay. I find it interesting that that,
you know, behind closed doors, they're saying, oh, yeah, it's
an inter dimensional spiritual phenomena, which I agree with. You know,
I've had spiritual contact myself, and I wholeheartedly believe there's
there's so much more to this. It's like an interdimensional
onion that's going to take you know, you can unpeel
in ten lifetimes. But there's that that's interesting that he

(36:15):
says that behind closed doors and in the mainstream, it's
you know, all nuts and bolts, and we want to
you know, it's a threat. We got to figure out
what's going on with this. Uh So what I mean,
what is your understanding of the phenomena? How is it?
You know, how is your understanding kind of evolved since
you started dealing with it.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know how
deep you want.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
To go, but let's go deep.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
The brother we can go deep.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, Okay, So, like I said, this started happening when
I was thirteen and I'm twenty eight now, so that's
fifteen years that I've had time to reflect, absorb everything
I could absorb, meet and greet all these CIA people,
get some classified documents, some other conversations, you know, and
and just really like kind of feel the heartbeat of

(36:59):
this UFO phenomen on. I mean, you know, you see
the family on like a fictional TV who's seen in
the UFO, Well, that was my family in real life.
You know, like thousands of people chomping at the bits
to come poke us apart and figure out what's the craft, Like,
what's the big We were the alien family on TV.
And I've had a lot of time to really reflect
about this from a very personal perspective, and what I've

(37:23):
come to understand is that the ancient mythologies, in one
way or another are true in the sense that you know,
in Middle Eastern cultures they had genies, you know, and
in Irish culture they called them fairies, and the Bible
they called them angels. Well, in Egypt they called them

(37:47):
the nette or the netarub, you know, the nature spirits
that animate our reality. And I've kind of come to
understand that this is it's not necessarily a religious phenomenon,
but if you study the ancient myths, especially the esoteric mans,
you come to understand it. This this phenomenon is very spiritual.
They've been written about, seen interacted with, communicated to, and

(38:10):
about since humanity's been here. It's only in the last
hundred years that mankind is a stupid that we believe
everything we see on the TV. Who's putting that stuff
on the TV? Well, it's it's the top of the pyramid.
It's the What are there like six media companies like Disney, Fox, exet.
I don't even know them all. I can't name them
off the top of my head. And we're so stupid

(38:32):
as a species now that we just believe what our
masters at the top of society tell us. Oh, they're aliens.
I've seen it in Star Wars. I've seen it in
Star Trek. It's been around these little ships, and this
guy who's retired from the CIA or he's in the government,
he's going on the Internet and he's saying that too.
So it must be true because an authority figure told me.
But in reality, I believe that the consciousness of humanity

(38:55):
has kind of fallen away from the wisdom that once
had and has now been ignorantly stupidly just dumbed down
and locked into a purely materialistic view when in reality,
the truth, in my opinion, lies between like the spiritual
studies and phenomenon fully blending with science, you know, cutting

(39:19):
edge science that quantum mechanics, things like that. So yeah,
I mean, I'm one hundred percent on board. I would
bet my life savings on it. I've seen it, I've
interacted with it. My dad has had face to face
conversations with these entities. They are spiritual beings. They come
from another dimension and an eternal dimension that that is
not physical and when they come here, they vibrate at

(39:40):
such a fast rate that they appear to be light.
That's why they are light in the first place. And anyway,
that's my two cents on what they are and where
they come from.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
What do you think their relationship to humans is? I mean,
we've heard speculation and theories from everything that you know,
we're a DNA creation between a hama in an interdimensional
being too that they're just like you said, you know,
angels and spirit guides and they've always been a part
of our reality, which I kind of lean towards. But

(40:10):
I don't know, you know, my view on this stuff
is shifting constantly, just as you know, the more I
learn about it, the more out I don't really know
anything about this stuff. But what do you think is
the relationship between humans and these entities?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
That's a really good question. What the female entity hold?
My dad referring to the twenty twelve experience, she's popularly
known as the Lady. The name she gave was half Hoor,
like the Egyptian deity. She appeared as a bull and
everything and ethereal bull. It wasn't like a real physical
bull in the yard, you know, it was kind of
like like a ghost. But anyway, so she appeared as

(40:49):
a bull charged to my dad, knocked him over. It
felt like a very strong blast of wind. He rolls over,
gets up and looks at her. And she's a very
beautiful woman with a long white gown from meck to feet.
The gown is twinkling like the stars, bright blonde hair,
bright blue eyes, and she's looking at him and she says,
you know why I'm here, you know, and this is

(41:11):
your burden. You got to tell your story. If you
don't anything bad that happens to humanity, there could be
blood on your hands, like Joel the Watchman. And she
basically told my dad this, this reality is like a game.
It's she didn't use the word matrix, but that's you know,
just synonyms. I mean, if you use it reasoning, you
can kind of into it. That that's what she's getting at.

(41:31):
She said, it's a game. Your soul comes here on
a journey to evolve and to go to that higher place,
that eternal world where these you know, interdimensional entities and
the orbs and the like, where they come from. So
what I understand, based on what she told my father
is that consciousness is constantly evolving, you know, and I

(41:52):
mean like your consciousness, my consciousness. I don't just mean that.
I just mean like the collective consciousness humanity as a whole,
you know. And I believe that as we evolve and
reach that next level, well maybe we'll become as they
are in another lifetime. Well, well we'll be able to
come back here and guide the next people. And you know,

(42:12):
we might be those beings of light in millions of
years in the future. I think it's just very complicated.
I don't I don't think they just come from another
planet and you know, they age and die like we do.
I think they're invincible, eternal beings literally made of light
that comes to guide us.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Now, it sounds like, you know a good portion of
your experiences weren't necessarily negative. Uh did you have any
experiences that were frightening or negative? And you know, do
you think there's a duality in this just like everything
to where there's negative entities that are part of this
multiverse as well.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yes, I've seen shadow figures in my home. I mean
I've met people who were, you know, as you would say,
like maybe demonically possessed. I mean, we've had some people
come to our home. You know, Dad was on TV.
So we have thousands of people over the years through Facebook,
through look us up in the yellow Pages back in
the day when that was a thing, and we would

(43:09):
let them all come, every one of them in those days.
Now we don't hardly let anyone come because it's been
draining for fifteen years, you know. I mean, man, there
was a time when a dozen people were kempt out
in the yard, you know, intense and literally camping. It
kind of became like a tourist attraction just to come
to our house. And we have met some very very

(43:31):
bizarre and I you know, unfortunately, I would say crazy
individuals who I would argue could be like a true
blue demonic possession. I mean, we've had people come to
our house wailing about shouting and strange, weird things, and
you know, after that, we're like, we don't want these

(43:51):
people around anymore. Like I said, I've seen the shadows,
that's really it. I mean, I haven't had any like
Hence the negative experiences they've they've mostly been positive. I
do know that I know personally some other people who
have had negative experiences but might have mostly been very positive.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Do you think that there's a kind of a technology
or physicality involved in this at all? You know, we
hear about the grays which seem to sometimes be physical,
and they sometimes seem to be like biological androids or something,
some kind of robots. And of course the pieces of
craft that have been recovered, the very physical craft that

(44:32):
we seem to see sometimes appeared the Rendellsham Forest incident.
I mean all these things that I mean, we have
apparently reverse engineered some pretty interesting stuff from our own
government and military. So what is with the how is this,
you know, both interdimensional and physical? Do you think that
there is also maybe aliens out there coming from different planets?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
That's a very complex question, to be honest with you,
I don't know. All I do know is that there's
an interdimensional phenomenon coming and interactive with humanity. Are there
other planets out there with other aliens? Maybe? I honestly
don't know. Do I believe it? No, I haven't experienced it.
But my take on that is, you know, these beings

(45:20):
come into our reality. I don't necessarily think that they
play by the same rules as we do. I mean,
I've had things unscrewed light bulbs and in my backyard
on the porch, you know, just walk out, the lights on,
walk in, right back out, and the light bulbs unscrewed
inside of a glass casing. I think they can do
things that we can't understand. They can make things happen.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Probably shift our perception, would you say.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Maybe make pections yep, or manifest material things and so
that we could understand that this is something of a
higher nature. I truly don't know, but I can tell
you that the phenomenon that I have constantly interacted with
and seen is not physical. Could it become physical? Who

(46:01):
am I to say that it could? You know, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Well, what are your thoughts on this? On you know,
individuals that claim that they're part of a secret space
program that they have off planet operations that we've gone
to Mars, that were fighting mantis beings on these plants
and all this crazy Star Wars stuff like you were
saying earlier. You know, I've had I've had individuals on
show they and I it to me. They it seems

(46:27):
that they personally believe that they've experienced this. But then
it could also go back to some kind of MK
ultra programming where they were programmed to believe this or
planeted with these false memories for some reason, maybe to
get this secret space narrative out there or this, you know,
the alien narrative that we were talking about earlier out there,
and maybe get these individuals, you know, to believe that

(46:51):
they this has occurred so much, and get them out
on the interview circuit and having their own shows to
where they're out there getting this misinformation out there. I
don't know. I mean, it's it's so deep. What do
you think about that.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I don't mean any disrespect to any of your previous guests,
but I don't believe a single shred of any of that.
I don't know them. That helps me say that a
little easier about the fear of offending anybody, But don't
I don't believe a single freaking word of any of that.
That just goes right back to what I was saying earlier.
You know, I've personally personally chatted with very high level

(47:27):
officers of the CIA. I mean, just for frame of reference,
one of the figures I mentioned earlier is a GS nineteen.
The highest rank from what I was told is GS
twenty one. Now we're talking contractor ranks like special forces,
intelligence agencies. They don't just have like a private and
a captain and a general and what have you. They
have gs contract or ranks. GS nineteen is like a

(47:47):
two star general equivalent in the army. You know, we
were dealing with very high powered basically generals. I mean
when you when you put it that way, and were
they lying to me?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
But to me it makes more sense that in this
case they were telling the truth and they flat out
told us, like most of the stuff you read out
there on the internet is garbage. We believe your family.
We want to know why they're coming to you. They're
not coming to us, they're not communicating with us. Why
are they're communicating to you? We believe you, you know.
So it's like I just I don't buy this is
gonna sound bad, but it's almost like the way I've

(48:20):
grown up, it's it's beneath me to give into such
baseless internet conspiracies that are completely ridiculous and fly in
the face of my entire life, you know what I mean?
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
It does? And you mentioned something that is kind of
a big question. Why your family, why your dad? Why
are these these this phenomenon concentrated on your property, in
these events happening there. And you know it's not just
it's not only you. They have places like skin Walker Ranch, no,
all these places of super high strangeness, but it also

(48:57):
can be seemingly attached to people or a person and right,
so what do you think is going on with maybe
your family in particular.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I have no clue. I suspect that I'll never find
the answer. I for the love of God, I wish
I knew the answer. I truly wish. I mean, ever
since I was a child, I wondered, like, why is
this happening to us? I still wonder. Well, what I
do know is that the beings told my dad, and
I just remembered something important from earlier that I'm going
to come back to in a second. But what the

(49:26):
beings told my dad was you your soul was brought
from another place and put here to tell this story.
That's what I know. I mean, that's you know from
what they said. What I just remembered was when I
made the point at the very beginning of this conversation,

(49:47):
when I was saying, he's walking up the path going
back to the capfer river, he's walking up the path.
It was like four thirty five o'clock something like that,
and he walks back at night, right. I forgot to
mention that's import because through the investigation they found out
that my dad had four hours of missing time, So
he was literally physically missing for four hours. Whereas from

(50:10):
my dad's perspective, he walked up the path and he
came right back down, So that first night he actually
did have four hours of missing time. He had an
incredibly profound hypnotic regression. And yeah, so I just wanted
to fill that gap.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Sorry, Oh yeah, no worries at all. I want to
get your thoughts on some of the things that we're
experiencing as a collective right now. We all know since
twenty twenty that many can you know, what we thought
of conspiracies have actually become true. It's just a reality now.
And there's a lot of deception involved in all aspects

(50:47):
of our reality, from our history to our politics, to
economics and everything. But there's been a shift education, of course, yeah,
everything now, it has been a shift lately where people
are starting to realize this, and not only that, there's
become a renewed interest in what paranormal UFO spirituality and

(51:08):
people looking at things that were hidden from them because
they're realizing, Hey, there were things hidden I've been lied to?
What else have I been lied to? What are your
thoughts about this era that we're heading into as a collective?
Do you you know? One side on one side, the
mainstream is trying to shut down this seeking of knowledge

(51:29):
with the censorship and everything that is happening. But I
don't think it can be stopped. I think that once
this can of worms has been opened, it's just going
to keep going, and we're going to keep waking up
and keep chasing that truth.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
What do you think I personally believe maybe beginning in
twenty twelve, I mean I couldn't possibly know for sure,
but I believe the beginning in twenty twelve signaled the
shift into the Age of Aquarius. And I'm sure you remember,
I mean, anybody our age or relatively close to us
in age, you know, outside of high school, you know,

(52:01):
conscious adults. We all remember the year twenty twelve. We
all remember everyone thought the world was going to end,
or at least talked about it. You know, you didn't.
It's necessarily not everybody believed it. But there was some
sort of ritualistic programming happening to the masses in the
year twenty twelve, and they even made a movie called
twenty twelve, and everybody was talking about the Mayan calendar.

(52:24):
There were countless documentaries about it, and nothing happened. Me.
I believe what really happened is we entered the age
of Aquarius, and as we're shifting deeper into the Age
of Aquarius, we're going to find that older mechanisms of
control are going to be on the way out. But

(52:44):
before they died, they're going to go out kicking and screaming,
you know, like they got us with all this stuff
in the last few years. I'm praying that they're not
about to get us with war, you know, because it
really looks right now that they're going to war with Russia.
This is just by speculation. They always get us these
big things in the public and trick us and deceive
us and kind of like whip us into shape to

(53:04):
do what they want us to do.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I think it's about maybe keeping us in this fear
state so we don't look at the real enemy and
look at what we really should be looking at, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Right, which is the one percent. It's the top. It's
you know, the abrations, the media, the big tech, big pharma,
et cetera, et cetera. It's not aliens. Aliens are not
the enemy. Have actually been very kind to my family
and hundreds of people that have come to our property,
the very benevolent beings anyway. So yeah, I believe it's
about the Age of Aquarius. And I believe that because

(53:35):
that is another key thing that this female entity who
called herself half to her told my dad in twenty twelve.
She said that the humankind or mankind or whatever is
going to shift into the Age of Aquarius, and when
a particular astrological alignment happens, that we will come into
a new knowledge, like an awakening. And that alignment was

(53:57):
when the red star Regulus aligned with the gaze of
the Sphinx just before dawn in the constellation Leo. There
will be a new knowledge. Now, some of our NASA
friends ran that through a simulation, they got the date
for that particular alignment to be September twenty third, twenty
twenty six, which is the fall equinox. In the last year.

(54:19):
Some of our other researcher friends ran it through a simulation,
and they came back and said, hey, wait, I'm actually
getting the date March twenty third, twenty twenty six. This
is speculation. Do I know for sure that anything's going
to happen in twenty twenty six? No, but I do
know that that alignment is supposed to happen in twenty
twenty six. The entity never gave a date. She just said,
when you know, when that alignment happens, we'll enter a

(54:41):
new knowledge. Yeah. So I hope that answered your question.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah it does. And as we enter this new asiers fere,
you know, like you said, fears of war, fears of
all these horrible things that are being put upon us
by the one percent, by the elites. But I see
that the old system's crumbling. I don't think it to
be sustainable anymore. I think people are losing their fear,
and I don't think they can throw much more at

(55:06):
us that'll keep us in fear besides like a vision
or something. I don't know, but world war exactly, or
world war.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
But I have hopes.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I hope, you know, we were just not gonna play
the play by their rules anymore, and that a new
system will emerge after this old one is crumbled. I'm
sure it's gonna be some tough times going through it. Uh,
But I know that in I have a knowing that
in our ancient past, we had a better understanding of
our spirituality and the multiverse and these entities interacting with us,

(55:38):
and we probably had better communication and relationships with these entities.
And do you think going forward, maybe in our future,
we may once again have a relationship with uh, the
these spirits, these entities, with our planet and everything that's
surrounding us that's unseen.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
See, that's that's something I think about quite often. I
don't necessarily know that the way that our physiology and
our biology is at the moment that we could handle
constant interaction with these entities. I mean, they're pure beings
of energy. You know, it definitely takes a toll on
you being around them. Like my dad has rheumatoid arthritis.

(56:18):
Do I know this for sure that it's because he
interacted with these entities so much all these years? No,
But that's one thing that the CIA and the Vatican.
I didn't even get to the Vatican part, but the
Vatican and the CIA indicated that my dad's rheumatoid might
be from constant entity interaction. Could they be lying, yeah,
you got to get to the Vatican now that you
miss Okay, we'll get there. Just yeah, we'll definitely get there.

(56:40):
Because that's quite a story in and of itself. But
do I think that we'll get to the point to
where on a global level, we'll like see them more
and understand them and be able to in some fashion
communicate with them. Yes, I do. Do I think they're
going to be like walking around like we are, and
we're just like holding hands and buddy, buddy, and like
my light being friend is in a class with me. No,

(57:00):
I don't think that's possible. I think I think the
name of the game here is evolution and the whole
reason that these and I mean like evolution in total,
not just of the body like we're taught in the
Rockefeller school system. Not just that like crony Darwinian evolution.
I mean the real evolution, which is consciousness is evolving,
and over time life is reflecting that as a mirror image.

(57:22):
So the physical world is evolving to keep up with
the faculties of consciousness. Like I said, you know, the
truth is in spirit and science are one. They don't
exclude each other. That's a lie. If you if you
are a part of religious system that says don't believe
the science, they're lying. If you're part of a scientific
community that says don't believe the spirit they're liars to
you know, because reality is science and and uh, science

(57:45):
and spirituality are like the East and the West, like
there are these two paradoxical sides of you know, reality
that need each other too exist. But anyway, so that's
a little bit of a tingent.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
No, that was well said. Now let's let's hear about
what happened with the Vatican man.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Okay, Yeah, So that guy Timothy Taylor, he's the he's
the Department of Defence. He was in a group called
the NRO. It's Thentional Reconnaissance Office. It's a joint operation
between the CIA Air Force and NASA. He was a
high level member of this apparently. I mean when he
walked up to NASA, they called on the dragon and
he could wave his key card and take my dad

(58:23):
through all ten levels or whatever number low. I don't know.
I might have just made up the number ten off
the top of my head. But they took my dad
through all the levels of Cape Canaveral security because this guy,
the Dragon, said I'm going to do it. So he's
obviously you know, connected, influential, powerful, whatever. And again, if
you want to read more about this guy, there's a
book called American Cosmic. Anyway, so the author of American

(58:46):
Cosmic and Timothy Taylor, somehow or another got access to
the Vatican. She is actually a little context about the author.
She is a friend of ours and there was a
time years ago where her and death were in constant communication.
And she through her religious credentials. She's a PhD scholar

(59:07):
of philosophy and religion and was the chair of the
department at University of North Carolina, Wilmington. She used her
credentials gotten to the Vatican's secret archives. Timothy Taylor went
with her, or the dragon, you know, that's what he's
called a NASA. The Dragon goes with her, gets to
the gate. They don't let him in somehow another I

(59:27):
don't know, I think the story is in the book.
But he like makes a phone call or something there
shows his credentials and they let him in. Done, he's
in the secret archives. So they go in there they're
talking with all these Jesuit priests they have like a
ceremony in my dad's honor. They talked to like this
Jesuit astronomer guy, he's like Vatican's head astronomer, and a
lot of the conversation was about my dad. And one

(59:50):
thing they did was like they put a photo of
my dad in between the manuscripts of Galileo and Copernicus,
or at least they told us they did. And supposedly
they mentioned to my dad that the Pope set a
prayer for my dad or something like that, or like
in the papal hall, the Jesuits set a prayer for
my dad's with the toordarthritis. And long story short, they

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had communicated that they understood about the phenomenon that my
family was interacting with. They knew it was real. And
that's really all I got on the Vatican. I mean,
I don't know that much more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
But man, that's that's so interesting. You've you've been through
quite some fascinating instances, and Ryan, I want to thank
you so much for coming on tonight. This was fascinating.
We could keep going for hours. I'd love to have
you back on and discuss this some more before you
go tell everyone about what you got going on with

(01:00:46):
your podcast and anything else interesting upcoming.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah, so it's right behind me Bloodsoe said, So, well,
I guess it'll be in reverse. But I have started
a podcast where about the Drop, episode number thirty two.
It's going really well. It's me and a couple of
my best friends and we just sit back and we
just cut up and I go into like a lot
of pop culture and also like the esoteric occult stuff

(01:01:14):
in pop culture as well as like a lot of
my personal experiences, and we're just having fun with it.
Thanks for letting me mention it, And that's really all
I have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
You guys are on You guys are on rock Fan too, right,
Yes we are? Oh yeah, yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
You like it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Oh cool?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Rock Fin is great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
We just we haven't fully launched premium content yet, so
at the moment, we're qloating all of our episodes to
rock Fin. But we we haven't even like made a
Patreon yet. We're we're still getting into.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
The groove of babies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, we're still babies. We've been doing this eight months
and it's grown like hyper fast, Like we just hit
one hundred and sixty thousand downloads today, eight months in
and we're just like it is. But it's like we're
we're going through all these growing pains so that our
next step is trying to be more like official with
rock Fan and Patreon and being more like premium content.

(01:02:07):
We're just putting the main show on rock fin right now.
We don't like have a premium show yet, you know,
so I would feel guilty advertising that, and there's not
even premium content.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
On the right on far edef O, Ryan, thank you
so much for coming on. This was amazing and like
I said, well, we'll have to talk to you again
sometime in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Absolutely, thank you. You've been an incredible host actually like
one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Oh well, thank you so much, man, I appreciate it.
You're a great guest and I can't wait to talk.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening and
we will be talking again tomorrow. See you then. Today,
I want to welcome back to the show. Nathaniel Gillis.
He is a religious demonologist and author. After living in
a haunted house, he spent twenty years researching what it

(01:02:52):
was he encountered. He has sought to redefine the nature
of haunting phenomena, ghosts, and high strangeness. He's often quoted
for his concept of the demonic. The reason they're playing
by different rules is because they are playing a different game. Nathaniel,
welcome back. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Thanks for having me. I'm doing really good. How you
been brother, It's been a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, it's been a little bit, just a little but
it's always great to speak with you. And thank you
so much for coming on on short notice. Like I
just told you, I'm looking forward to tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Your work delves beyond the borders of paranormal and beyond
uthology and into demonology and mixed match them all, and
it's great that you kind of delve into all aspects
of this and you go as deep as you do.
That's why I love speaking with you. And with the
connections between all these phenomenon becoming more and more likely,

(01:03:47):
the more information and research that comes out between all aspects,
the more it makes me see that these connections are
there and they need to be explored. And you recently
did a pray at this year's Forbidden Knowledge and News
con which was awesome about entities you call the molts
Now where that's what we're going to delve a little

(01:04:08):
bit into tonight, and we're gonna see what areas we
can fall into from there. The first thing I want
to know is how long have you been looking into
paranormal topics?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Ever since I lived in that haunted house? I grew up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
In that first That was over twenty years ago, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, yeah, now, how I'm so old, I'm right there
with that old. Oh lord, oh god? Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Well, how is your understanding of the connections between these
phenomena and how they how they play out in reality?
How is your perception of this change since you first
started looking into this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Well, I think that as researchers, now that we have
more data to collect and more understanding of the phenomenon,
we're starting to realize that haunt tall again, uphology are
not dichotomies, their dualities. They are one and the same.
And so you apologists right now, especially those who are
investigating the Skinwalker ranch, now they're starting to call alltology.

(01:05:13):
They're starting to call it the the hitchhiker effect, which
I think is interesting. But you know, here's something we
need to think about. We don't need ufology to validate
our experiences, right, So even as people who grew up
in hunted house like myself, I didn't need upology. You
could tell me this was real. We knew it was real.

(01:05:34):
Now what's starting to happen is uthology is starting to
catch up and say, hey, guys, you know what, like
I said, it's not just nuts and bolts, It's not
just you know, these physical crafts. That there is something
deeply spiritual to this, and that that hauntings in and
of themselves are not limited to just okay, we see
apparitions according to the Skinwalker ranch and nids and all

(01:05:59):
you know, brand a few, all these guys. What they're
starting to realize is that there's a possibility that hantology
is a reconnaissance mission for whatever these entities are. Oh
my god. So if you look at hontology and that
lens and opens up many doors, it also brings to
light different theories. And I tend to lean this way.

(01:06:22):
Then again, it's not just that they're one and the same,
but they're different arms of the same beast. There's a
book out there by doctor Barry taff As I think
it was Aliens Above goes Below, and he talks about
his case studies and you know that he worked and
how like a lot of these people that he was
investigating hauntings and a level at hauntings had actually been abductees, right,

(01:06:45):
And so I think that as a researcher, it's incumbent
upon us to realize, hey, listen, this might be the
same phenomenon. And if it is, then uphology has a
lot to catch up on because US demonologists have been
recording this pretty much since the dawn of history and time.
So that's why I'm not right now. I think it's
the it's another arm of the same monster, which is

(01:07:08):
I don't know, I don't know what to think about that.
I don't want it to be real, but evidently in it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Man, it goes deep, and it's like an onion that
you keep trying to unpeel, and it goes deeper and deeper.
And you mentioned in your presentation the Collins Elite and
the you know, the military and the government has obviously
been looking at this stuff for a long time, as
well as private organizations and people trying to get answers

(01:07:35):
for this. That being said, just recently we've had more
in you know, pseudo information coming out from the Pentagon
and our own media, but I think they are still
pointing in the wrong direction, and it makes me wonder
how much do these powers at be you really know,
you know, when you were doing your presentation, like I said,

(01:07:56):
you mentioned the Colins Elite, and I find that aspect
very fascinating because even back then they had a kind
of deeper outlook on what was going on with this phenomenon,
just than just nuts and bolts and little green men
coming from different planets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Right, correct, correct, And what's really interesting is that the
Collins Elite, you know, as we all know what I
spoke about my lecture there, is that this was a
group in the government that were actually given permission and
finance to investigate the different occult rituals and occult connections

(01:08:33):
that people had to this phenomenon. And so they you know,
they reached out to people who were scholars of the engineeryes,
they reached out to demonologists, not to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Me, So that was pretty weird. I think they didn't
like what we were talking about. You were talking about
the Collins Elite and how they were actually going after
demonologists to get information.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Right correct, correct, and the research center around how people
were performing rituals esotericism to connect to the phenomenon. And
I'll tell you what it's not unlike your Invisible College
is doing today. I think it's very important, if you know,

(01:09:14):
if you follow my work and if you follow my Twitter,
which I just got, you'll see how much I'm referencing.
Diana Walsh Posuka, Diana Watsh Posuka. She's a religious scholar.
She just did a lecture at the Rice University for
the Archives The Possible. She says that the Invisible College
is employing un Office Guy's protocols of esotericism, I mean,

(01:09:35):
not rituals, pro to calls. Yeah, like they're the same thing.
It's Samanth tics at this point, and so she began
to talk about how you know, she even mentions Jack
Parsons and me, I'm looking at this thinking, Okay, you
cannot validate Jack Parsons as a man without validating his methods.

(01:09:57):
And if you're going to validate his method and the
ways that the ways that he connected to the phenomenon,
then you've got to get into Alistair Crowley. And if
you got to get into Alistair Crowley's work, you got
to get into Alifis Levi. If you get at Alfis LEVII.
You've got to get into a prominam in age. These
are all esoteric writers that at least the Invisible College

(01:10:21):
believes were and are in contact with the phenomenon. So
what I've been doing lately is saying, okay, guys, that
takes the conversation out of the hands up and notes
and boats researchers, because this is not just nuts and
boats now, it's hey, listen, we have majors and magi
magicians right sages throughout millennia that they believe have contacted

(01:10:46):
these entities. And let me get back to this point.
If we're going to validate Jack Parson's methods, then we
have a significant problem in the field because his methods
were not all great, you know what I mean. I mean,
we are dealing with sex magic, we are dealing with
chaos magic, some very dark and sinister things that we

(01:11:07):
have to consider, and yet the Invisible Call is just
willing to connect with him at all calls.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Oh God, So I had I had Chris Blitze on
that Chris Blitzo, Ryan Butzo, Yes, his son. I had
his son on recently, and he was talking about the
Invisible College as well. Now, for the audience that may
be may not be familiar. Could you maybe describe a

(01:11:37):
little bit about what they're about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, so, I think it was two thousand and seven.
Chris Bledsoe experienced this phenomenon while taking some of his company,
was piking some of his workers on a fishing trip.
They had finished up their contract, they had built some
things I believe it was, and they took him. He
took them on a field trip to go fishing, and

(01:12:02):
he encountered these planet looking like objects out by a lake.
And obviously I've heard Ryan's story, so I'm not gonna,
you know, get into much detail, but I will say
that he encountered entities that he believes one of them,
I mean one of us put it ways at one
of them, he believes his mother Mary, or at least
and Mary an apparition, the lady in white. And you know,

(01:12:26):
he encountered entities that were very real. What really is interesting,
and you know, this gets into Diana Posoka's work too,
is that there is a mediator between Bledsoe and the
Invisible College. And his name is Tyler Durton. Tyler Durton
was named accuoting Diana Posoka after the character out of

(01:12:48):
the fight club. The reason he calls himself Tyler Durton
is because, according to her, the number one role of
fight clubs what there's no fight club? Yeah right, that's
what she talks about. And it's very interesting. But that
that was Chris Bledsoe's story, and you know it, it's
very interesting to me, you know, I follow see what

(01:13:11):
happens a lot of times is that the experience or
themselves and many with many of them, it's not just
the experience that they're trying to tell people about, it's
also when that experience it evolves in the doctrine, and
when it starts creating doctrine. You know, that's literally it's
almost like a new religion with a new prophet, and

(01:13:31):
you have to come to me to get to them.
It's a very unique situation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
It is. And when you look at stories like Ryan
and Chris's and many others actually recently that are starting
to come out and tell their own contact stories, there
is an underlying theme it seems of good versus evil
or you know, trying to enlighten humanity to light or
get them to sink into darkness. Would do you agree

(01:14:00):
with any of that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I would. I would, and what I would steer away
from is individuals are individuals who would point to a
light in the s guy and say that's Jesus. Because
what happens is that it takes the argument out of
the hands of the experiencer. And here's what it does. Now,
we have to compare that Jesus to historical Jesus. You know,
it's not like you make up a new name. You're

(01:14:24):
literally relying on historical data. If that's Jesus, Jesus, which
that's who we think it is, that's the reason you chose,
you know, Jesus, then we have three thousand years of history.
You know, what did he ever what did he ever
manifest as this? Did he ever warn people about someone
saying they're Jesus? Right? All of these come into play here.
And I think it's very dangerous because if it is Jesus,

(01:14:48):
he's certainly not going to tell you raw is God.
That should be listen, that should be basic. One oh
one ah in Hebrew means evil. If it is telling
you evil is God, and Jesus is telling you, I
don't care what you believe, right, You've got to go

(01:15:10):
to the basics of this and again I'm telling you
that there's this. This seems like a program that has
often worked on people. It's no different than when people
and Muslims are abducted and they have Muhammad appear to
them and then Muhammad, you know, gives them a line
of just junk mail that Muhammad would have never said
you look at the Quran, never said it, never implied it.

(01:15:31):
But now what you have as an authority figure trying
to tell you this so that you can propagate whatever
message it wants you to. And so I would encourage people.
If it is in fact Jesus and a ball of life,
then that Jesus better be the Hebrew Jesus. It better
know who the hell it is. It better be knowledgeable
about its own lineage, right, instead of giving us this

(01:15:52):
this fake narrative of I'm so much Jesus, I'm going
to teach you Egyptian literature because that's what Jesus. Did
you know what I mean? That's what it's not. I
know the other guys that you show stuff. Okay, we
talk about symols everything, we can talk about that all
day long. But if raw's God, you're talking about ra Hebrew,
it's an unclean spirit. So right, So what happens is

(01:16:16):
if that is the teaching that these beings are giving us,
then we're going to have to hold it to a standard.
And that standard evidently, if they're wanting to be religious
and talk about religious texts, let's hold them to the
state of the religious texts, right, because there is something,
there are hermeneutics that exists for us to interpret this,

(01:16:38):
because I do know a Jesus that said, if there's
another Jesus that comes to you in my name, right,
it's not me. And so we're happy are individuals who
are propagating. And I know, you know, there's a lot
of people like you know in my field, at least

(01:16:58):
not in demonology, but there are evangelical researchers who want
to make this all about the apocalypse. And I get
that a lot, but I'm more in tune with Hey, listen,
if you want to talk talk scripture, which is what
ra is, you know, literature mythologies, then there's a standard.
You can't just go out there blabbing your mouth off
and saying, hey, listen, this is raw, because the whole

(01:17:19):
purpose of you telling me it's raw is me knowing
who ri is. And the reason that who Ray is
is because there's texts. So what did the text say? Well,
the text say that's not wrong. So it's just a
convoluted there's blood in the water though. And I'm sorry
to get passionate, but what's happening again is you have

(01:17:40):
a lot of people who are inspired by manifestation and
then now they're teaching doctrine. They're saying Jesus is teaching Again,
we have history of Jesus. He never taught that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Now would you say? There is a kind of grand
deception going on in the community of channelers et contact ees,
people who claim to have conversations with celestial beings and
bring messages of you know, like do you know who
these people I'm talking about? And they tend to make

(01:18:17):
a lot of money sometimes bringing these said messages to people.
But it seems like there's a there's a not only infiltration,
but some of these people seem to genuinely be having
some sort of experience or getting some message from somewhere.
But it is it real? Is it true? Is a deception?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Well, well, I think that again, I think that a
lot of people are new manifestation And what do I
mean by that? What I mean is that when I
was growing up in that hunted house, it wasn't just
the opparitions that I witnessed that really haunted me. It

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was the impression it gave me. Like I could be
out eating dinner, any dinner, and I could just remember
that moment of witnessing that apparition, and I could feel
that entity arrived. Okay, the hair on the back of
my neck would stand up, and so it was almost
as if I could tap into that moment just by
remembering it. You know, it's very interesting. But it wasn't

(01:19:17):
just the image. It was the presence. It was the
feeling of otherness. The alienation that I experienced in that
end Ofy's presence was profound. And like I said, it's
not limited the manifestation, but what we have here are
people who've never experienced that kind of manifestation. And so
when these entities manifest again, it's it's it's uh. Grant

(01:19:40):
Camera calls it the wow factor, right, It's it's, oh
my god, they're so profound, they're so powerful. Rudolph Auto
was a great theologian. He wrote a book called The
Idea of a holy. He called these entities holy other
w h O L L y other, so completely alien
to us. And yet what these entities do, though is
again the manifest and then they will provide a message.

(01:20:03):
Now again, I don't want to measure manifestations. That's what
a lot of expiraitors get into. There's a lady on Twitter.
She invited people to go up to the Holy Mountain
and experienced these entities with her. Right, and you know
what she called them, her being interesting, very interesting. Right,
there's there's ownership here. These are mine being. And so

(01:20:26):
I'm gonna answer your question. So what I've learned to
do is I don't measure the manifestation. I measure the message.
So getting to the messages throughout history these entities will
give you enough truth and then a whole line. Case
in point, John d and Edward Kelly were given the
Anochian language. Okay, they were looking into a mirror, they

(01:20:48):
had a candle, they were performing their rituals. Edward Kelly
is communicating with this beautiful girl. Beautiful girl is telling
him things. And then she kept putting the car in
front of the horse. If you do a B and C,
I'll give you what you're heart seats. Finally, it was
all the way to the very end when he when
this entity tells Edward Kelly and John Dee, I'll give
you what you want, but I want you to swap

(01:21:10):
wives for a night. As soon as they did, the
next time they conjured her, she was an old lady,
completely different than the enity they thought they were talking to.
And it mocked them. Okay, let's go to let's go
to doctor color Turner's work. She was working with ted Rice.

(01:21:32):
Ted Rice had lived his whole life as a psychic medium,
encountering these guides that were giving him messages. And finally
he's abducted and I mentioned a lot of my lectures
and my shows. Abducted with a grandmother. And he realizes
that the guides that he thought was giving him all
these messages, these guides would have had intercourse with his grandmother. Right, So,

(01:21:56):
I mean, even the remote you, I mean, it's over
and over and over again. But it's the hook. And
what we're seeing now is we're seeing a mystical tradition
manifest And in North Carolina, we have people who are
not just saying we have access to the entities, we're
being taught how to access them. These entities are now

(01:22:18):
giving permission to the experience or I want you to
go into churches and lay hands on people. So regardless
rather or not we want to accept this reality, it
matters not these entities are wanting to push themselves into
the religious fear. They're not going to the bar and

(01:22:39):
they're going to churches, which, come on, guys, let's look
at it for what it is. This is freaking terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
It is, and there's so many it seemingly sexual themes
that these entities would like to get into or kind
of persuade you to get involved with. And you know,
to me, that's first red flag that I don't think
I want to be having anything to do with these
types of entities. But what do you think is it

(01:23:07):
often that people probably don't want to talk to about
their experiences because they've had these strange sexual themes to them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yes, yes, have that in my own case studies, even
by accident. You know, I've had people come to me.
This is really interesting. Some people have marriage issues. When
they talk to me, we uncover and I can buy spirit,
you know, a male or a spirit that appears male
that's been grooming the wife. I've had people who you know,

(01:23:40):
have experience being groomed by the entity and then it
calls marital problems. But these entities, I mean, my god, dude,
these entities know us on an organic level. Right, So
it's not just okay, like you know, we have case
studies that suggest the can hack our minds and hack
our belief systems. You know, it's just like the case
of North Carolina. It wasn't Mohammed that came to him.

(01:24:03):
It was Jesus. Why because he belonged to a church. Well,
of course, because he would have questioned Mohammed. Oh man.
It's getting deep, right, So it's not just the hacking
of our belief systems. It's it's what's what I call
the manufacturing of consent. I'm going to appear to you
as an authority figure. You know, just go the case

(01:24:24):
I had in India where the young lady reached out
to me, you know, at the enity had manifested to
her in the image of her lovers. Why because it
wanted intercourse? How do you know that? Because it was
a man that's home manifested a man. She had intercourse? Man?
You know it wasn't. It wasn't some other individual she
never had intercourse with. So these enadies know how to
to to to manifest according to our memories and according

(01:24:48):
to our belief systems. And what I'm seeing now, even
as I talk, I'm seeing an entire movement of people
who are saying, listen, it's not good enough that I
experienced something you didn't experience. Now I'm taking ownership of
my experience and the beings that manifested to me. These
are my beings. You don't have access to them. And

(01:25:09):
so there is a a an eighth. Oh, I ain't
gonna say that. There is a narcissistic tendency that is
inspired in some, not all, some that leans heavily on
you have no idea what I know because I experienced it. Now.
I had a cough. I don't even know if it
was this show, but somebody had called in and said,

(01:25:29):
you know, it's a good question. How are you Why
do you think you should say this stuff if you've
never experienced it? Well, I don't think you know. I don't.
I don't think experiencing it or not. I don't think
either of those are handicaps. Doctor color Turner was an experiencer,
and a lot of the academia at least said, you know,
if you're since you're an experiencer, it shapes your concept

(01:25:51):
of the phenomenon. And so they hated it for it,
and obviously I loved it the call turner. My point though,
is that we need to pay attention to this because
we're I need to. We need to start looking at
people who are placing themselves in a singularity of pet
prophetic unction. If there are people that are gonna say
I'm the mediator between you and the phenomenon, that's a religion.

(01:26:17):
That's a religion. And again, I just I fear for
that because God knows what's gonna happen when these beings
get done. And now they're starting to do what they
want to do, not what you think they want to do,
but what they really want to do. And it's, uh,
it's really interesting to me right now, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
That is super interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I've had a few researchers and a few guests that
kind of delve into the area that these some of
these entities, not all, but some may be kind of
like thought forms or aggregors something that we have manifested
into exact distance just from our own you know, either

(01:27:03):
emotions or energies or thoughts. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Well, I think that in order to understand that phenomenon,
we have to look at Tolpa's and of course we
have to go back to ancient necromancy and idolatry. So
so when these motors first started to realize, hey, listen,
I can be alive and possess thing, they then began
to influence the minds of idolators. So what idolators used

(01:27:29):
to do is they would go out and create a statue.
All the still get good. You don't love this. I
rarely talk about this. They would create a statue that
they thought came from their mind, and then the entity
would possess the statue. So watch this. They would mold
the image of the being while the being was molding

(01:27:52):
the mind of the man who was molding the image
for it. Right, whoa good stuff? Right? So what happened
was now we're now we're understanding. Listen, it's not just
I create a thought form that entity thinking for me,
and it's going to use my hands and what I've
created to step into and give it life. I just

(01:28:13):
got chills. That was crazy, man. So this is the
nature you know, the obviously I had questions like that,
and and other researchers, you know, we all talk about it.
But that's where I come from. Right, who molded the
mind that molded the image that entity did? Right? If
you get back into my work, the image is the

(01:28:35):
the image looks like the apparition that molds it. Right,
I want an image that looks like my apparition. That's
the moltor, that's the multi behavior pattern. Right on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Now, let's let's talk about the moltor since you just
mentioned it, and let's talk about some of the physical
manifestations that you've discussed, such as in your presentation, that
can appear on people after having interaction with these things.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, so yeah, I think it's so first skin second,
and you know, it's very interesting to me because we
see in the case studies of abduction where there are
people that are in two places at once. It's called bilocation.
And so in one abduction I was reading the other
day of rereading a book by Nick Redford. It was

(01:29:23):
one of the case studies that the Collins Elite was researching,
where a young woman saw a UFO outside of her car,
and she remembers walking out to her car and then
falling asleep, like outside of her car, touching the good
fall and sleep. Later on the next day, she tries
to remember what happened, and then she goes crazy. Man, fascinateing.

(01:29:43):
I don't say crazy, you know, like in a weird way,
but it's fascinating, she says. She remembers falling asleep and
then she remembers looking down at her body as she's
floating into the ship or whatever you want to call it.
So what this does, though, is it points to fact
that they are not just abducting bodies, that are abducting souls,

(01:30:03):
and that they're doing something through the soul that's manifesting
in through the surface of the skin. Okay, so you
know I'm not the only researcher. I'll tell you what.
You have to get deep in the research and really
start working with his experiences to come to that behavioral pattern.
The only other person I've heard of, Jock Flay, didn't
had a case like that, and Steve Marhra has had

(01:30:24):
a case like that. A lot of people have. But
what it points to is the fact that the soul itself.
It's not as incorporeal or ethoic as we would want
to believe. It's not just an air, it's not just
a gas. You know. In antiquity, these motors, this consciousness,
this soul form was to believe to have tangibility to it, right,

(01:30:46):
there was a constitution to consciousness. It could be airlike
and whim like, but you could also touch it if
it materialized. Now, Ezekiel, chapter thirteen in the Bible mentions
a species of motives that I talk about, motors that
were dead people. They were necromancers and stuff. And what
they were doing is they were taking that image, that apparition, right,

(01:31:08):
and materializing it and taking the soul out of people,
but going to their bodies and cutting pieces of flesh
the Hebrew with scabs that need scabs, and taking that
skin and placing it over their materialized apparition. This is
very interesting. Now, if you guys look at leslie King's

(01:31:31):
lecture again Rash University, The Archives of the Impossible, leslie
King talks about apparitions and how there was a venom
she was working with who had apparition's manifest and they
were actually solidifying their soul consciousness body and solidifying it
and plunging their hands into a clay mold or a

(01:31:52):
wax mold.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
And as they were doing this, the motor said, I
can materialize and de materialize that will, but I want
to show you what my body.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
It looks like this material body. This gets very interesting. Man,
It materialized in the wax and then let the wax
harden and then de materialize, leaving the wax hands there.
This gids again. This gets into the constitution of consciousness.

(01:32:27):
This is I believe. Also why in entre hasis Epic
they say that the soul of a man is made
from the flesh of a god. Right, so it's not
just some kind of tangible memory. Believe for consciousness there's
something that you can touch. It's tangible. This would solve
the issue I believe of these aliens having the ability

(01:32:51):
to walk through the wall and then slidified in front
of us boom. Also how also why I believe that
the body acts like a mold for the soul. Right,
That's why I believe we have cases like Betty Luca
who was pulled out of her body. They did things

(01:33:13):
to the soul. And Bob's to this that you know
once she got back into her body, did her body
began to manifest through the skin to the surface what
these beings did to her soul, just like the mold.
So we're dealing with inodies who have intimate knowledge of
the god ghost version of ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Now do you think that there is a different I
guess you could say dimension or reality or spectrum of
existence that these exist in, maybe like a soul dimension
where our soul also exists absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
And like I was saying previously, you know, I don't
think it's just hauntlogy because you know, originally the the
apparitional theorists that you know, they came to fore in
hauntings and studying apparitions, and it was realizing that these
two phenomena are duality here. It is haunting in abductions,

(01:34:21):
haunting to abductions. They're both in a connected the same
entities that I think we as researchers, especially Twitter, needs
to go back to the writings in literature all the
way back to the first century even before that. L late,
I have to say, okay, listen, if these days are

(01:34:41):
in fact those two or if we interpret to them
as ghosts, then we have to look at other literatures here,
not just what Jock Folasten blessed my love. But we
have to go before, right, because I don't know, you know,
it's they're the same thing, and I think that we
have a labyrinth of infestations leading up to when you

(01:35:02):
a followed. You thinks that took it for breath first read.
We have a lot to look at here, you know,
there's a lot to look at it now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
I want to get your thoughts on people that have
claimed to have been taken and seen maybe their hybrid children,
maybe had some sort of strange medical experiments done on ships,
and then maybe they they're actually pregnant in real life
and they lose a child. I know that you had

(01:35:30):
speculated that these entities, these molts have a way of
kind of impregnating human soul in a way, is that right, right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Hatching consciousness, absolutely, hatching consciousness. You know, it's a very
very interesting phenomenon. And early on in our texts, the
earliest texts rather, we encountered that particular aspect of research
when we started encountering incubi inities. Matter of fact, in
the Dark Ages, we had demonologists who called the spawn

(01:36:03):
of incubie larva larva an early form of life. So
but they were creating literally they acted like it was
a species of parasites or something, right, And then they
would create larva and it would hatch in the womb,
and then the baby itself would be taken. What's really interesting, too,
is it's not just that they're interested in taking the

(01:36:26):
fetus itself. I was reading again doctor collat Turner's work.
She had a case where a woman was abducted, she
had intercourse with the being she was pregnant, told her husband, listen,
this child will not survive pregnancy full term. It's going
to die. When it died, she's abducted again, and they

(01:36:47):
hand her a hybrid baby with the consciousness of that
baby that died in it. So the baby she lost,
the soul, the consciousness that was acted in that fetus
was taken and then placed into a hybrid baby. That's
one case study. Another case study that the color Turner
had was a lady who was impregnated by these beings,

(01:37:09):
and she said that she was about two or three
months after the actual impregnation, she started having cramping, started bleeding,
and she goes into the bathroom when she passes a
job she says, And she tells me this is very interesting.
She says, I'm looking at this baby in my hands,
and its eyes are different. And she and so doctor

(01:37:32):
Colin Turner says, well, where is that child? Now? Where's
the fetus? She said? I was programmed to place it
in a glass jar at Buryer She says, I can't
tell you where it is now. This is troubling, troubling

(01:37:53):
because how many women out there who have encountered that phenomenon? Right?
So there, for some reason, they want us to remember
enough to do what they want us to do, and
then at the moment, at any moment when we stop remembering,
they stop wanting us to and they're gone.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Now do you think this could be a form of
possession in a way to where it's not really they're
impregnating you with a hybrid child, but maybe your actual
next child may have this sort of spiritual DNA of
this creature. I don't know, what do you think about.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
That it's possible? You know, it's crazy because he just
the six even researchers that have been doing this for
longer than I've been alive, they cannot. I don't know
what it is about them, but They always focus on
the hardware, right giants Johns Johns John's which had tonss.
We never focus on the consciousness that was in that war.

(01:38:53):
There's a reason why y'all would called them refine Why
because refye dead people. And so you know, you have
the software and the hardware. I think, at least my research,
the hardware is fascinating in and of itself. But the
software that was in the hardware, the dead person that

(01:39:14):
was possessing that body, that consciousness, right, that's what I'm
really after what it looks like to me. Let's get
back to you your question here. It's not just that
they're impregnating women to take the body, but I think
we really need to start asking the question and if
they're just if they're hatching consciousness, just like they're harvesting

(01:39:37):
consciousness out of living people that are around here driving cars,
it's way easier, right Boom, And I need to point
this out too, so it gets back and it's gonna
be a little ramp, But got helps. The word nethhaline
in the Paleo Hebrew was without vowels, and if you
look at the Hebrew word in Genesis sex for nepheline

(01:40:00):
without vows. It meant abortion and still birth. Now I'm
going to throw something at you real quick, and I've
never talked about another show. Okay, oh yeah. Look at
Genesis six, when men began to multiply boom, baby, baby, baby, baby,
baby nef full the word Hebrew word for still birth

(01:40:24):
were in the land. What's that say? They weren't after this,
They weren't after propagating their species. Just the sense of dead.
You know, bodies as soon as they were born, they
were dead. They multiplied, but the consciousness that was in
the fetus itself was harvested. Men begin to multiply in

(01:40:47):
the earth when ne fall, still birth was in the land.
So we need start looking at this phenomenon a little
bit differently, because I do believe there are markers here
that raise awareness. It wasn't just that saying hey, listen,
we have we're starting to see a lot of pregnant people.
Know what they're saying is they're pregnant, but the baby
itself is dead. Now I'm not I'm not saying I

(01:41:10):
don't want people to message me saying, oh my god,
you know I you know this is not These babies
were not born from husbands and wives. These Again, the
text says they were encountering these beings and the child
these beings were impregnating women with were dying. That's what
leads me to think it wasn't just about hey, I'm

(01:41:31):
going to harvest the body. It's I'm going to create
the bodies. Someone else is going to provide the consciousness
and I'm going to steal that consciousness and leave the body.
Aka what happened with doctor Colin Turner's case.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Right now, This could this could open doors in all
kinds of directions in the paranormal. When you look at hauntings,
it could even be looked at that. You know a
lot of maybe Poulter got cases or what people think is,
you know, human spirits may not be that at all.
It could be some of these molts, some of these

(01:42:07):
entities being you know, playing tricks on humans. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Well, the moultuals themselves were previously human. It gets back
into the mutation of the soul. You know, I think that,
you know, I forget it was. It's one of the
big researchers anyways, they said, you know, it's possible that
we need to rewrite our historic records, and they also
believe these different theologies. But I think it's really important

(01:42:42):
to look at our mortuary rights, you know, because I
think that if these beings did manifest and influence ancient culture,
we see it first in the way we would prepare
bodies for the afterlife. Right. See, mortuary rights began and
ended with the fact that they did not want the
soul to be harvested. Oh number two, they didn't want

(01:43:04):
it to go to the wrong place. And also they
did not want it to linger in this dimension because
they had a fear that if the soul linger in
this dimension, it would mutate to what they would call
a restless ghost, a ghost that cannot rest or sleep.
So why we get it. We get into Mesopotamia, we

(01:43:25):
see the Bible echo in the same sentiments. All right,
you see, you know Jesus in the New Testine when
an unclean spirit whoe thought of a man it seeks
what rest? That's not no horning, it's the hoofs demon.
He's telling you a ghost exists. Right, He's an unclean man,
he has an unclean spirit, he seeks rest. It's very interesting.
But if we look at this from the ancient lens

(01:43:47):
of mortuary rites. We do realize that Hey, guys, they
believed entities could mutate into ghosts, but malevol of entities,
and one hundred percent believe that's what we're dealing with.
You know, that's my two cents.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Do you think that there is any level of I
don't even know if we should call it technology involved
in what these entities are doing? But what do you
think about that? Do you think that there's some kind
of spiritual or even just something that we don't understand
yet that they're using to inface and interact and do
what they do to us on etheric levels?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Yep, Listen, Let's inspires a unique proposition here, because well,
I do believe that there are certain aspects of the
phenomenon that we can know. I think that there are
certain aspects of the phenomenon that we are physically, spiritually,

(01:44:46):
consciously unable to know. You know, if you create a matrix,
let's say a video game, there's only a certain amount
of information that video game character is able to process
about being allowed. It's literally created in that dimension. It's
not it doesn't even recognize any other it's literally it

(01:45:09):
physically cannot They mostly cannot understand it. And so I
believe it's that after life dimension that these beings existed.
It's just you know, like like that that case study
that I have where the motors carved into the remote
viewer of these symbols, right, those symbols make no sense
to us. We have no idea how they work in
that dimension, you know, And I'll tell you this much experiences,

(01:45:33):
these experiences are coming out here with revelations saying hey, listen,
we need to combine this amulet with this thing. You know,
we're not doing that. So you know, whatever they're doing,
they're operating in a state of being that I believe
it transcends the body. And uh, absolutely, I think they're
in the afterlife. And so did the call ins Elite.

(01:45:56):
And also, if we really want to get down to it,
I guarantee you, I guarantee the Invisible College believes that because,
whether we want to admit it or not, if they're
reaching these inities through esotericism, Alistair Croley thought these were
fallen angels, right, so we're starting to realize, hey, listen, said,
you know, they're not alien in the sense of the key.

(01:46:18):
They're alien to us in the sense that we just right,
we don't know what they are. You know, maybe we
need to start looking at this differently than just be
an alien.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
I definitely agree, And it is encouraging that more people
are branching out into different thoughts about this, and they
have researchers kind of crossing over and looking at different aspects,
which is encouraging. And you mentioned places like skim Walker
Ranch where there's an undeniable crossover of all this stuff
going on. What do you think is going on in

(01:46:51):
areas of high concentrated high strangeness. I guess you could say,
do you think it's just maybe that there's an element
in that area? Are just a thinner reality? I don't know,
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
I think the phenomenon's present everywhere, but I think that
there are certain places that it is present more so
than everywhere. You know, can be everywhere at once and manifesting,
but there are certain locations that are manifesting more. But
I think that the negative hitchhiker effect is a control mechanism.

(01:47:30):
Oh God, So that means, okay, let's let's look at
what happened. We'll just Skinwalker manage stayed there for two hours,
gotten the back of his car, drove home. Phenomenon did
not take this presence lightly. On the way home, this man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Now breaking up. When you're saying that, who is breaking up?

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
What you're saying is this is this is This is
a Pentagon official that visited Skinwalker Ranch. He was there
for two hours and the phenomenon did not take a
liking to him. And so on his way home after
two hours, he gets back in his car. On his
way home, he's driving and he gets a phone call
from his wife. You know, hey, baby, I put you know,

(01:48:15):
the kids to sleep, and I'm downstairs and I look
out the kitchen window and there's this wolfman looking at me.
Next thing, you know, the kids see it. And later
on they went outside and saw that the actual entity
had claw marks on the tree where it climbed up
the tree and scraped the bark off of it. Now

(01:48:36):
this gets very interesting here. We can have bigfoot sightings,
and we can have conferences on these, you know, cryptozoological
beings up until we need to realize that it's possible.
Those are control mechanisms and we're getting too close to it, right,
and so what do they do? They don't want you there.

(01:48:58):
We'll show you a being never seen before to get
you out. Very interesting hypothesia. I'm not saying that's what's
going on, but absolutely yeah, curtain Skinwalker Ranch, the phenomenon
did not like this man, and so what it did?
What did it do? It released the cryptos, crypts who
lodge quanity to let him know. Hey, listen, you want

(01:49:20):
to you want to mess with us, all right, fine,
we'll give you something you can't figure out, and it's
going to be at your doorstep. So it's possible again,
if we if it's all interconnected, you know, if it's
one phenomenon, it's very possible that we even start making markers.
I mean, we obviously are, but for different reasons. We
just start making markers as to where we're seeing Bigfoot

(01:49:40):
and seeing all these other entities, because it may very
well be that's where these motors are in just like
a Skinwalker Ranch. It's a it's a control mechanism. You know.
It's very interesting, But that's what I believe they are.
I know that there's a lot of people that believe
they are portals. I think that cannot be argued because

(01:50:00):
solved portal. I'm not gonna argue with that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Now seeing it as this is all very much obviously
connected in some way. And if it is one phenomenon
that's connected in some way, are we able to trust
it if it's saying that it has our best interests
in mind, or if it's coming at us with you know,
love and light or all these messages of goodness, you know,

(01:50:29):
if it's all connected to the same thing. And now,
on one hand it's evil, on the other hand, it's
showing us these messages of love and light. How can
we trust the phenomenon at all?

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
And what is it? You know, Oh, let's get this rappable,
gets flinty. Let me say this. We don't know what
to trust. And it doesn't just beginning end with their attentions,
because you know, they they could be one hundred percent
moral in their eyes and evil to us. They don't

(01:51:03):
have to be horns and the hooks out there and
slaying everything in sight to be a threat to us.
It's like, Okay, we're never going to go kill all cows.
We need food, but don't you ever think that we're
not a threat to cows. Yeah, we'll milk them and
then whenever we get ready, yeah, have a kid. We're good,
you know, but we're an absolute threat and we too

(01:51:26):
have controlled mechanisms, you know. But I think this is
a little bit silber similar, but a lot a lot different.
But getting into the idea of what we can trust, man.
I mean, even in the sixteenth century, you know, the
debuke phenomenon, it wasn't just possession, It wasn't just pregnancy.
It also consisted of people being possessed by the entity's memories.

(01:51:47):
So imagine someone who's possessed and so they're living their life,
you know, they're working at a checkout isle or something,
you know, a city of work at Rogers or a target,
and they're talking to people and immediately they start remembering
something they had actually never experienced, right, And so what
they started realizing was that it was a stage of
possession because they were remembering whatever that entity wanted them

(01:52:12):
to remember very interesting, and so they didn't know which
thoughts to trust. And so it gets even down too.
Are observing uapes and UFOs, don call it. Turner had
a case where a family was on a highway. Sixteen
cars stopped a highway looking at a UFO. When his

(01:52:33):
family got back through the house, they got home. Down
called one of the house said, Okay, what did you
guys see? Three out of the five saw UFO, the
other two didn't, And out of three only two of
them agreed on what they saw. The third one saw
something completely different than what the other two saw. Right, So, this,

(01:52:54):
this phenomenon does not It's not limited to their ability
to to hack our systems, to step into images that
they pluck out of our minds. It's not just that
they know our history of intercourse with other humans. It's
even deeper. Perhaps what we think we're seeing is not

(01:53:15):
even what's really there, you know what I mean? So
do I believe we can trust it? I don't trust them.
I mean, you know, I just I don't. I have
my own reasons for that, And it's that's the whole
other show.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Well, it's very interesting whenever you hear people like lu
Alizondo coming out even more recently and admitting that it's
more of a spiritual phenomenon and saying something along the
lines that if humanity founds out what's really going on,
it would be a very sobering thing for them. Sombering, yes,

(01:53:49):
sober either way, which you know, that's that to me
kind of shivers up my spine wondering what's really going
on with this, But it also makes me think that
they already know, uh that at the highest level, they
know exactly what's going on, and they know that if
they let us know on a mass level, that maybe
some of us might not take it so well. I

(01:54:09):
don't know, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
I think that's very much true, very true, and I
think that you know, I did a show forget what
it was, but I talked about why ufology. It's not
my hatred for your apology because there is none. I
have no hatred for theopology in me. I love yourthology,
but I think that that most of youuthology is based
upon nuts and bolts, and I think the phenomenon is
proving itself to be beyond them. You know, I think

(01:54:35):
it's not just nuts and bolts. We have to start
asking ourselves some serious questions. You know, they're pulling souls
out of bodies. There's no nuts and bolts there. You know,
it's not you know, they may be traveling in some
metallic objects, but they're in treads. You know, their behavioral
patterns and hatching consciousness and doctor Kulik Turner had a
case where a lady is just sleeping in a day

(01:54:57):
dream on her couch and it's lucent beings. Aparitional, by
the way, it's everywhere. Aparitional walks in and they rape her.
What's love and light about that? Okay? And these in
of these if you look at their translucent nature, it's apparitional. Okay.

(01:55:18):
That solves these. You see that. You apology at a
big problem. How can they pull people through walls? It's
physically impossible because they're not pulling people through walls, they're
pulling souls out of walls. And like in my lecture,
we have a lot of experiencers who thought they were
abducted bodily until they became physical again, and then they
realized it was not my body they were operating on.

(01:55:41):
It was my apparition, all right. Goes back to the autre.
The soul of a man's made from the flesh of
a god. They know that, right we're looking at the body,
the tangible, the nuts and bolts aspect of it. They're
looking at the non physical aspect of the soul and
how it materialize. It's very interesting they know this. They

(01:56:02):
know this, and I think that that if there's a
bit of threats of humanity. It's the species that can
pull you out of yourself without your permission, without your knowledge,
and without many times your ability to remember that is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
It's interesting that in the mainstream mostly the stories we
hear about are the love and light and happy abductions
from these beings of light and how they showed them,
you know, everything going on with the world and reach
five D ascension soon and we're all going to be
taken on hips and all this is being pushed into
the mainstream while you have to dig for some of

(01:56:43):
the darker stories, for some of the more traumatizing stories
that it seems they don't want to put out there
along with the narrative. Uh that's being pushed with the mainstream. UFOU.
Do you see that as being the case or where
they're kind of pushing the you know, lighter stuff to
the warfront and keeping the darker stuff to themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Yes, open, But there are abduct these experiences that have
reached me, and they've said that they were contacted research groups,
the researchers. There were contacts about productions. You know, they
were working with the researcher telling them the story and

(01:57:27):
this research group heard about it. You tell us more
about your story. We want to include you in our book.
Until this individual, this individual started telling their story was
too negative. I had one experience to saying, they threw
my body in a pool of corpses and told me
to resurrect them. Won't hear that on ancient aliens? No?

(01:57:50):
Oh my goodness, Yes, yes, corpses, she said. I know
their necromancers, she said, because I've watched them as a
rector dead body. So these are not individuals that are
being promoted. They're not going to get a book deal.
So now we have to realize and think about. Okay, guys,

(01:58:10):
who's really creating this narrative here? Who is fabricating this reality?
You know what I mean? Because there are plenty of
case studies just in my own peripheral vision, even people
that are reaching out to me saying, hey, listen, they're
not even going to include me in their book because
they don't want my story. Hurd. Now, who doesn't want
your story? Heard them? Right? Why are they putting lipstick

(01:58:35):
on a pig here? It's not working, and you know
it's just wild. But the more shows you do and
more people reach out to you start to see that
there's a narrative being crafted and people are following suit,
but it's not really reality.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Now, let's close on this. Do you think that beyond
the negative entities and the negative aspects of this, that
there is an aspect of the afterlife that we could
look forward to, something that is pure love, something that
is pure happiness that goes beyond, transcends all the negative
stuff we're just discussing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
I believe there is. I believe there is, and I
think that ancient more Traya rites prepared at least their
people for going into that next dimension of life. I
just ordered a book. It's called Disembodied Souls. It's by
Richard Steiner. It's incredible, unlibu, I would suggest that for everyone.

(01:59:35):
I don't know what that next dimension is, you know,
I don't. I know that in antiquity we have people
who witness these entities harvesting consciousness from people. And so
what they started doing is when somebody died, they would
have a seven day period where they would prepare that

(01:59:55):
soul for the next life because they did not want
these multors to take it. It's creepy, I mean, when
you get it's creepy as well. It really is, you know,
pre carrying somebody so that they don't get stolen. But
I mean, if we get into this, you know, I
don't know, I don't know what that next dimension would
be good. I mean for us, I don't know. I

(02:00:17):
don't know what what happened with good people. I just
I do believe that abduction is not just the abduction
of the body. We see that Whitley Streeper saw a
dead person there. He recognized them immediately. So I do
believe that there are souls that we that will be
returned to us. And I also believe that it's not
just bodily abduction. How many people have had their souls harvested.

(02:00:40):
We think they're dead because we buried the body. Their
soul is alive. Their soul is with them. Guys with
Collins the lead this again, we started out this this
talk tonight. You cannot validate Jack Parson as a name
without validating his methods, and he wrote in his journals
he told them basically said that I'm performing this ritual

(02:01:01):
in hopes that these in these harvest my soul that
I will be on as ship with him. Now again,
you're not going to validate this. This is is the
man without validatings methods. If you're validating his methods, what
did he believe they were doing. They believed he committed suicide,

(02:01:22):
so they would pluck his soul out. And that's the
way the Invisible College is going to approach this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
Oh my god, Yes, we love super fascinating times, my friend.
A lot going on, all right, Nathaniel, this was great.
I'm so glad you could join us tonight the last
minutes notice, and it's definitely going to be talking to
you again in the future. Before you head out, let
everybody know where they can find your books, social media, website,

(02:01:52):
any all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
Sure so, and on the website, I do have a
YouTube channel. I'm on Twitter now, yeah, right now, Twitter
and YouTube. I'm on Instagram and Facebook. Just look me
up in Thethaniel J. Gillis And you know, thanks for
having me. It's a realiant honor always awesome man.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
That was great and we'll definitely be talking again soon.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
be talking again tomorrow.

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