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Steve is a chemist and material scientist with over twenty

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years of industrial experience and several patents for industrial processes
relating to nanotechnology. He is currently working in the area
of carbon nanotubes and working to start a nanotech company.
In the UFO field. He does high tech analysis of
alien implants, UFO crash debris and instrument scans of clients

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for the presence of alien implants and other signs of
recent contact. Steve, thanks for joining us. How you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Great? Great, great to be here, very good.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Now you have a very interesting background, and you actually
worked with the late doctor Roger Lear. Tell us a
little bit more about your background and get what what
got you started doing this research.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I was doctor Larry's partner from from two thousand and
eight to when he died in early twenty fourteen, and
I've I've always been interested in in nanotechnology and chemistry,
microstructures had anything to do with with that sort of thing,

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and I've also been interested in UFOs all my life,
so it was natural that when I got the opportunity
to work with doctor Lear, I chose to do so.
I actually met doctor Lear after an object a period
in my toe, and I went over to him as
a patient and he removed it seven months later, and

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he didn't have anybody to analyze it. So I decided
to take it upon myself to analyze the piece of
the object, and the results were quite remarkable. It was
a sophisticated nanotechnological device. And I went on to analyze
several other implants that he had removed from other patients

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that had not been analyzed completely.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now it's interesting you said you had, you know, uffo
contact or possible abduction experiences, you said earlier in your life.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, now, and I find it interesting that you're also
a material scientist working with these carbon nanotubes that could
possibly also be part of the technology being used in
the implants you researched. Did you start doing your research,
you know, be because of these occurrences. No.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I happen to be working on carbon down tubes at
my old job and we worked on those for about
seven years, and I have several patents in the carbon
down tube field, and it was just kind of a
synchronicity that it turned out that the alien devices apparently

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utilized carbon down tube electronics. That's something that we're working
on in birthly science but have not perfected yet, but
apparently it's a old technology to them, and the carbon
down tube electronics would be faster and more robust, and
the silicon electronics that we use there are three D

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networks of carbon. Unity was built right into the metal.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Apparently very interesting. Now, do you remember any of your
maybe your first contact experience. How old were you and
could you tell us a little bit about it.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
The first thing I remember was was seeing UFO hovering
over my parents' house when I was five years old,
like a fairly small scout craft, maybe fifty feet in
diameter or hovering right a bread at rooftop level. And
that was maybe four o'clock in the morning, before sunrise.
And then I blocked out and woke up like four

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hours later with blood all down in front of me,
and I remembered somebody putting something up my nose. And
Willie Streeber described a similar experience in the book Communion,
And I think that's standard procedure for aductees to have
an implant put in at that age.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
It's very interesting. Now, do you have any other memories
of any experiences after that?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I remembered a few things spontaneously and a lot
more under hip, not a progression after I found out
for sure that this was going on. After I met
doctor Leer, and it's just a lot of really strange stuff.
It's it's it's no wonder that people are having trouble

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believing in all this because it's completely counter what we're
taught in school about. You know, aliens can't possibly be
coming here, it's too far away and all that sort
of thing. Apparently they are.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Were your experiences, would you say a positive nature or
do you think they had possibly malevolent purposes?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I wouldn't say my experiences have been malevolent or or
or completely negative. But there's like a lots of control
and inherent in it because they use they do what
they do what they want with you, as if you're
an experimental animal, and they they use mindtroll and it
just it just introduces a strange feeling of a loss

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of control that's really disturbing. A lot of people have
commented on that.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Do you have any memories of being taking on a craft?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
H Yeah, most of them have recovered under a regression,
but yeah, I've got some memories of being on board,
and yeah, my memories are pretty pretty similar to a
lot of other abductee reports, especially I really related to
Katherina Wilson's book I forgot what I was supposed to remember.

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And Alien Jigsaw if readers or listeners want to read those,
that pretty much sums up a lot of my experiences too,
of mind, were very similar to hers.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now, do you know what types of beings that you
were interacting with?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
The standard grays that most people report as the ones
i've are the ones I've mostly seen, but I remembered
under regression seeing some tan grays on board an alien
mothership at one point, the ones that were on Willie
Streemer's book cover.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Now, let's get back to your first end plant. Can
you tell us about that experience, how that came about?
First actual removement?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I well, how I was put in is I
was at my house watering the plants and taking care
of the place after work. My wife was at her
parents' house after my daughter was born, and she'd just
staying there for a while to have her mom help
her out with the baby, and I called her up

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until her I was going to spend the night at
the house because getting tired, and I heard some noises
in the backyard. Went out in the backyard and there
were these two huge raccoons out there, and one was
about fifty pounds. Everyone was about seventy pounds, and I
didn't even know they got that big, so that was
pretty surprising. And they seemed fairly tame, so I put
some food out there for them so they wouldn't need

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our avocados. They were in our avocado tree. And I
watched the animals for a while and then went in
and went to bed. And when I woke up, there
has been a lot of strange stuff going on prior
to that, and when I woke up, I just realized
that the aliens had been there. And I had a
pain in the side of my head and a stinging

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pain in my left second toe, and I looked at
my toe. There are two puncture wounds there that disappeared
within a few hours, and the two puncture wounds lit
up green under ultraviolet light, and so the stinging pain
got worse and became an electric shock. Pained that that

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went all about all the way up my leg. About
four days after the incident, or every time I put
some weight on that toe, And so I went over
to see doctor Lear and I told him that to
possibility and implant And.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
How did you how did you get into contact with
the doctor lear well.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Of fernicity too. He worked only a few blocks from
where I worked in Camrio, California, and I had been
following his for a long time. Then all of a sudden,
got an implant myself and decided to go over and
see him. And I don't think he believed me at first,
but he gave me a prescription to you to get

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the tost rate, and the prescription said give a copy
of the patient, so they gave me a copy of
this X ray. And I knew intuitively I was going
to see something, but when I did, it would just
blew me away. I mean, there's a heck of a
difference between like I always hit. There's a heck of
difference between strongly suspecting that something like this occurs and

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knowing for sure. The object looked like a bent piece
of wire in my toe, and it was actually the
image on the extra was actually smaller then it turned
out to be in real life, which.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Was strange interesting. How did the removal process go?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
It went pretty well, it turned out, but the object
riddle and it broke into twelve pieces. On removal. They
instead of cutting it out, they tried to go in
through the side of the toe and pull it out,
and the object was brittle and broken to several pieces.
But that turned out to be a good thing because
it gave us some views of the interior without us

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having to cut the object up. And one weird thing
is that all the pieces arranged themselves and their order
when doctor Lear had a stored and in blood serum.
That was really remarkable. We've got pictures of that. And

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he gave me two pieces of the object to run
a series of tests on. I did light across, could
be scanning, electronic cross could be and ed x BOLK
elemental analysis and ic PMS trace element analysis, and we did.

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We did magnetic testing and Geiger counter testing and in
turn it was highly magnetic. That was one thing we'd
noticed that before we remove the object from my body,
it was at about a ten milia magnetic field. And
our associate doctor kuons that the magnetic field may have
may have had to do with its power store. He

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thought that it was powered by zero point energy by
the interaction between some phone on mode and the metal
and the magnetic field. Another in usual thing about the
object of the metallic portion was made of meteoric iron.
The trace element pattern and it exactly matched or almost
exactly matched a group of Nickelaaron meteorites like sahed rights

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and it produced no like all the other implants the
doctor lear researched, it produced no no inflammation in my
toe or nearly A foreign body will always produce inflammation
in the human body. So that's uh.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I've heard instances of the the nerves actually growing around
these objects.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, that's right, there were, There were There are appropriate
sceptor nerves growing into these objects from in every case
that we've seen, including the implant in my toe. And
that's that's the connection to the nervous system. That's that's
how they gather information apparently and also perhaps transmit information

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to the body. And there's some chemical cue to cause
the nerve cells to grow into them. And I think
that the pain I was experiencing and toe was probably
the nerve cells growing into the device.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
You said there's no immune response to the object.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Either, no, none whatsoever. It was highly unusual, and that's
that's been repeated like seventeen times now, and none of
them had any an immune response whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Now do you know the what the purposes of these
devices would be other than.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Cracking not for sure. We have we have abductee reports
on what the aliens say there for, and we have
some educated speculation on what they're for. But I'll just
run run that value, and you know, we may find
out that they do other things too. But logically that's

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they must be tracking devices. But a lot of them
are probably not primarily tracking devices. And the ones in
the extremities, like the ones in the toe or the wrist,
the leg or probably are are mainly physiological monitoring devices
to measure all kinds of physiological partners like blood, sugar,

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blood oxygen, of hormone levels, that sort of thing. And
we have reason to believe from what people have told
us that that they can. Most of the devices can
be used to implant suggestions that are hard to ignore
because the subject always thinks it's their idea. And doctor

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Kons thought that some of them could be used as
room bugs, could pick up airborne sounds. And they transmit
radio waves, but they're not always on, but they sometimes
they're transmitting, and uh so they're they're definitely transmitting that
information back to the people that put them.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
In the most I guess what areas of the body
are they mostly found in.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
They're mostly found in the extremities in the head. There's
typically on somebody that's got a lot of alien activity.
There's typically one one above each year, a tiny one
above each year below the scalp and above the skull,
and uh one at the back of the neck, and

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the T three vertebrae, and a brain implant. The brain
implants are hard to attack because they're they're made of
a conductive polymer. I actually analyze one of those too,
that that fell out of somebody's nose, and it was
interesting because the alien, the aliens told somebody that that
they were made of a conduct dollmer, and that indeed

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was what the one I analyzed was made out of.
And they grow, they said, they grow tendrils throughout the brain.
And those implants can enable the aliens, according to what
they've said, to hear and see what the subject is

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hearing and seeing in real time and probably also hear
what they're thinking. And so that's getting that implant is
like connecting the person of the alien high of mind.
They're kind of a high of mind species, kind of
the border gun star trek.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
You've seen them, Yeah, And am I right in saying
that some of these have actually moved. When Trump been when.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes I was talking, I was speaking of this the
state of the station. All the ones that we've analyzed
right now, so far i've been up to now been
stationary ones. But there are moving ones too. We've never
had a chance to analyze ones. We can't them out,
and they're more rare than the stationary ones at any rate.
But I've had I've had contact with people say that

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they have movie ones and Whilly streamer out a moving
one in his ear. I think he still has it,
and doctor here I was going to take it out,
but he changed his mind at the last minute. Really
did that?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Is now you said they emit radio signals?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Absolutely, Yeah, about ten percent of the time they're active
emitting radio signals. That's all of the implants that we
know of, including the moving ones out the the moving ones.
The moving ones are probably also made of a conductive polymer,
and they have these like ccilia on them, like a

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like a micro organism would have. That enables them to
move under the skin. And some people report that it
hurts quite a bit when they move.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Wow. Yeah, I can't imagine having something moving under my skin. Now,
how many how many have you had removed from yourself?
Just the one?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Just the one? Yeah, have you.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Had any others that you know of that you know
may still be there?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I have actual evidence of that at least two more. I
think that. I think I have three or four more.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Would love.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
The ones above the years I've got those. And I
remember having a brain implant put in when I was five,
like I was telling you, and I think that standard
procedure for most abductees.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Now, when you're doing scans for these devices, what kind
of equipment are you using?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
The standard scans that might use on people that want
to find out if they're abductees or not, or a
stead finder scan to scan areas of concern and for implants,
so it's they're good at detecting metallic objects under the skin.
And then we do a gas meter scan to detect
weak magnetic fields and alien equipment can sometimes magnetize things,

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including human tissue. And if we get a gas meter
hit combined with a studfinder hit a high probability that's
an implant because the implants are almost always magnetic. And
then I use a got your counter to detect any
trace of radiation once in a while, or something left
behind and and I use an ultraviolet light to detect

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alien dyes that are left behind on the body to
stay up for a month, or indelible dyes that are
really hard to remove. And there's various colors orange, green, yellow, green,
and blue, and they shine very strongly under short wave
of ev elimination. And that's a that's a dead giveaway.

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If if if I see those, I know the person's
been been taken within the last month.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Now, if they want to have this remove, do you
do you refer them to a to someone to have
them removed.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Well, I've just been telling I don't have a doctor
working with me at this point in time, But I
just I just tell people to go to their GP
and say they have a foreign object that's bothering them
and try to get it removed. Insurance should cover it. Theoretically,
That's all I can do at the moment. But I'm
trying to find a doctor who will come forward and

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help me with this research.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Have you analyzed them any recently? Uh?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, not recently. The last the last stuff I analyzed
was actually some crish debrief from a UFO that crashed
in New Mexico during the Roswell time period.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Seven, what kind of results came from that?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I also analyzed Patient seventeen's implant to reanalyze part
of it about like three years ago. Oh, there were
mostly pieces of aluminum. There was one piece of ultrapure
aluminium that appeared to have some sort of different crystal
structure than regular aluminum, and it was very hard and

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would give off sparks when you when you put it
on a grinding wheel, which is not what aluminum typically does.
It was act even more like titanium or steel in
that regard, but it was incredibly strong, and that also
was the case with Patient sixteens implant that came out
of his wrist. It was a steel steel carbon nitude

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metal matrix composite with a little bit of meteoric iron
in it that was incredibly strong, and diamond tools would
even cut it. That'sn't heard of them. Tools are cut
just about anything.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Wow, that should Yeah, that's very fascinating.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
The other crash Debrie samples were aluminum with some strange
impurities in them that that would not be there in
earthly aluminum samples. A little guranium and thorium, rare earth
gallium and germanium stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Now, do you think it's possible that our government or
military industrial complex could be doing some of these implants?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I think it's possible. I heard a rumor not
too long ago actually that the aliens had had given
them a large quantity of their implants as part of
some deal. So I hope that's not true. That'll mean
that it'll be impossible to tell the difference between government
implants and alien implants. But there's some evidence that the

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government and the aliens are working together anyway. But up
to now, government implants have been distinguishable because they're usually
like like you know, little computer chips, like like a
standard computer chip under the skin. But alien implants are
very very smaller. They're a bit smaller. They're like the
one in my toe is like like one millimeter in

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diameter by like three and a half four millimeters long,
and they're much that the technology is much greater in them,
much more advanced. And I'm sorry, what was your question?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh no, well, I was going to ask. I was
going to go back to your contact experiences and ask
if you remember any direct communication with any of these beings.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Uh, yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean are any messages they told you.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Like when they told me, when they told me what
the what the brand implants were for? And uh, they'll
sometimes answer questions like that, not always, and there they
remind me of a high tech foreign military and a
lot of the stuff they do is secret on their
end too, And questions about what is your agenda? What

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do you plan to do at point A and point
b at this or that time. They won't answer questions
like that or early ever will, but they do sometimes
ask answer technical questions, and we'll see. I remember them
telling me what the what the implants were for? And
I remember telling me a lot of a lot of
teas report this that they're concerned about us screwing up

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the planet and possibly having a war that will be disastrous,
and we need to change our ways and become part
of the galactic community, and messages like that that's pre standard.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Have you in your regressions or any types of memories,
do you have memories of interacting with any reptilian beings
or insectoid beings.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I remember seeing some ones that look like praying maniss
that are like the bosses of the grays. You don't
see them very often, but I remember seeing them on
a couple occasions.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
No, I hear that a lot, that they're the bosses
of the grays, that there's something in control of them.
You think the Grays are just some type of biological
AI or something.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well, I think maybe some of them are, but in general,
in general, they are. They are races that in most
cases used to be more like us, and they've had
technology for so long that it's it's that it's changed them.
They've often, at least short grays, have altered themselves by
genetic engineering and over exposure to radiation and overuse of

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transporters and technologies like that, and now they're trying to
fix themselves. And the Grays are an alliance of like
seven similar species and they've all been changed by technology.
You don't want to extend another. But I think the
short grazer and and the worst shape, and that's that's

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part of the reason they're doing all these subductions. They
want people like us in their society, and they want
to fix themselves with human DNA or something like that.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Are there certain are there certain bloodlines that are actually
targeted more for these abductions and these plants.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh? Absolutely, it's a. It's a lineage thing. They've mapped
out all the bloodlines of humanity along ago, apparently, and
they know what characteristics they're interested in, and they hand
pick individuals to be part of their program based on
their bloodlines and and genetic makeup.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I've spoken with a lot of researchers that that tend
to believe that there's an ongoing hybridization program. Is that
something that you have heard of or encountered, or you know,
been told?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, they they They apparently genetically modify most of the
people that are involved in the program, and they also
have the people that are called that you're calling hybrids
or have a lot more alian DNA and are were
created in the program to tredy beings that that look

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like humans but have to call the grey abilities. And
apparently they've had to put so much human DNA and
into them to make them look human that the gray
abilities are quite diluted. But they're they're a lot more
psychic and and intuitive than normal humans, and they have
faster reflexes, they're stronger, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
So do you think that these these hybrids are dire
actly walking amongst us?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah? I think so. I don't know how. I don't
know how many, but I have reasonab believe it's at
least two thousand.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Now from your experiences these beings are they do they
have the ability to, I guess, travel interdimensionally? Are they
interdimensional beings? Or are are the are the have you
they been physical? The ones that you've encountered.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, I mean they have time trump and in that
sense they're interdimensional. They can travel between between alternate realities.
In fact, they told me that. The one thing they
did tell me is is that they don't like to
use time travel. It's more dangerous than space travel. You
can get into an alternate reality, and it would be
it might be difficult to got And but no, I

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don't think they're from from an alternate universe per se.
They told me there that they're from. Their races are
in general from planets within one hundred light years of here,
one of which one of which is they to articulate

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for and sixty one ers some majorist three is another one.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I find it interesting that you said they used to
be a lot more like us, and you know, all
these things that they've done to themselves have changed their
appearance for time. Do you think that they were very
much like humanoid beings, possibly humans, you know, and they're
they're us in the future.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I've heard some of them are. Yeah. Area fifty one
supposedly made contact with a group of grays that were
humans from the future, from like a million years from now.
And typically these beings start looking like grays when they've
had technology for well in excess of one hundred thousand
dollar years, usually like on the order of a millionaire.

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That's my understanding.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Anyway, Now, what are your thoughts on our secret space program?
Do you think that we have operations on the Moon,
on the Mars?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, I think we've had a secret space program for
a long time, according to my research. When the Air
Force announced they were getting out of the space business
back in nineteen fifty seven, I believe it was and
they formed NASA, that was for show. I mean, they
never did get out of the space business. They've had
a secret space program ever since then. NASA has always

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been a dog and pony show to occupy the public
and to get all the space scientists under one roof
where they can be controlled and what they say can
be controlled. And the Air Force has been trying to
advance in a space for ever since then, and they've

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had anti gravity powered craft. They're like, you know, primitive
versions or less sophisticated versions of what the aliens have
since the late sixties.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
From one to understand, how far ahead do you think
our military industrial complex is as far as technology. I mean,
I've heard up to fifty years.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, in general, it's about that in certain areas are
more than one hundred years ahead, but yeah, about fifty
years in general.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
And do you think that we will ever see any
of this possible free energy technology, you know, anti gravity
like that.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think we're probably going to see the anti gravity
before we see the free energy. I think in order
to see the free energy, we're going to have to
change how we how we govern this planet and and
you know, take the power out of the hands of
this this power elite that controls people that don't know
all the oil companies and the pharmaceutical companies and and

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the big in this reason, in general, the reason we
the reason we haven't gotten off oil is not because
there aren't better ways of generating power, but because, uh,
oil and so called fossil fuels are as good as
it gets as far as the profit margin for the
power elide. You need to burn megatons of the stuff
to generate any great amount of power, and it's a

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substance that occurs all over the place. That we're not
running out. That's a myth that we're running out. It's
generated from inorganic reactions deeper than the earth. There has
nothing to do with fossils, and specifically at the crust
out near the crust mantle boundary. That's why if any
place starts faulting, oil comes to the service. It's actually

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the liquid that the crystal plates float on. But in
any event, we're not running out, and you have to
burn megatons of the stuff, and you can charge a
hundred dollars a barrel for it, and it's difficult to
see any other way of generating power have a higher
profit margin than that. And they also control people that way.

(34:40):
You need their oil in order to generate power. If
we had free energy, then you could have a little
box that would power your house and everybody would be independent. Yeah,
they have. Even when they have things like nuclear power,
for example, they want to make huge megapower plants out

(35:01):
of it that everybody else to depend on, rather than
smaller units that would be safer, you know, that centralized.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
That brings me to my next point of I think that's,
you know, the reason why so many of us believe
that or want to believe that these elites are in
control from an off planet or a malevolent source, or
even some kind of demonic source. They don't want to
believe that humans just come up with this on their own,

(35:32):
and then they want to enslave humanity just for the
sake of power, just for the sake of money. But
you know, I'm still on the fence. Is it just
humanity and slaving itself or is there something out there that's,
you know, controlling them, pulling their strings. What are your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think it's a little of both. I think that
the the power lead are extremely corrupt, morally bankrupt individuals,
and I think they probably are being influenced by aliens
of some strike, probably reptilians like they say. And one reason,
one reason I think that there's some alien influence involved
is because there seems to be a very long term,

(36:14):
multi century plan to do all this enslaving of humanity,
and I just don't believe that the humans are capable
of planning much beyond a human lifetime. It just it
would be highly uncharacteristic anyway for individuals that corrupt give
two hoots about what happens after they die, So aliens

(36:36):
have a much longer lifespan. So that's that's why I
think that there probably is some alien alien influence involved
with us, but I don't think it's really the Grays.
I think if it is aliens, it probably is the repbillions.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah. I mean, there's so many aspects of our society
that is going I believe in the wrong direction. I mean,
we're seeing enhancements in technology, but what are we using
it for. I mean, most of the nation is staring
at their their smartphones and not producing anything, not giving
back to society, and you know, it's all about themselves

(37:14):
and their devices and just the nonsense that the media
is spewing out there. The agendas seem to get worse
every year, and people are just buying into it and
going along with it, and it doesn't seem to be
changing in any way. There's a few of us that

(37:34):
are waking up to this and and becoming aware and
spreading the word, but it doesn't seem to be enough
to be making a change that in the direction we
need to go.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, I think we're making it progress, but I hope
it's just not it's not too little, too late. I mean,
the Grays really do want us to wake up and
and do do things better and and things. There's really
a reason technologically why things can be getting better and
better on this planet instead of worse and worse. The
only reason they're getting worse and worse in mightin is

(38:09):
because the power elite want more and more and more
money out of us, more and more and more control.
And when you disempower people and and make and you know,
take all their money away and everything, then things are
definitely gonna get worse and worse. The type of system

(38:29):
that they that they have set up and that they
that they want to promulgate is and sustainable, and the
grades are concerned about that too. And all the technology
we we do have we use for or release governments
use for better ways of killing each other. And we
need to we need to, you know, do something instructive

(38:51):
as a race, whether then always destructive. I mean, there's
no reason why we ought to behave with every new
technology like a kid that's found his father's gun. I mean,
as it's you know, we needed, we need to be
more responsible than that.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Now you said that it's the Grays that they'd want
to help us. I hear so many contrady stories about
the Grays. Yeah, they're very misunderstood. I think some of
them actually are leveling, hyper robotic entities that may be
under control of reptilian races. But I hear some of

(39:30):
them are here to help us. So you've experienced primarily
the ones that are here to help or so they say.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well, yeah they're not they're not warm and fuzzy, but
and they're here. They're mainly here to help themselves to
our resources and such, but they are here condarily to
to help the planet and to help us become a
more more sane and responsible race. Definitely, But I disagree
with people say that they're total scum, sucking evil. I mean,

(40:00):
I just I just haven't really experienced that.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Do you think that there was an agreement with Eisenhower
and DZTS for technology in exchange for human abduction?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah? I think there was. I don't have any any
proof of that, but it certainly makes sense. I mean,
they had a they had a big, a big to
do with UFOs over the White House in nineteen eighty two,
and they were trying to shoot and shoot them down
prior to that big time, And it sort of makes

(40:36):
sense that that somebody would have requested a meeting, and
Eisenhower was actually missing during a couple of time periods
when people said they had a meeting with the Grays
at Bright Patterson Air Force Base, it said that Kennedy
out with them too, And I was kind of mad
that they about them selling us out at first, but

(40:57):
then I figured, well, but else, what else really could
they do that If they had not agreed to it,
the Grays would have just done it anyway, and they
wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. They wanted to
get technology out of it, at least.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
So what are your thoughts on what's happening now with disclosure?
There's i'd like to say, interesting things happening. I don't
know what direction they're trying to come with this. With
the Navy sidings and all the mainstream media talking about
UFOs and now this whole craze with storm Area fifty one,

(41:35):
it just seems like it's all happening at one time
more prevalent. Now, do you think that there's some sort
of agenda there.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, I think there always has There always has been
two conflicting agendas and government about disclosure. The intelligence agencies
want to keep the alien presence under wraps forever, and
a lot of other government agencies want to disclose or
at least in a controlled manner, after a certain amount
of time. And I think the Navy now believes that
that time has come and that we should we should

(42:07):
be seriously preparing the public for for disclosure, and they
have a lot hole and I think that that they
and maybe some other government agencies have instituted a push
for this and said told the intelligence community community that
enough is enough, We're going to do this. But yeah,

(42:28):
several people have told me that that there's more of
a push for disclosure right now than than ever before.
And it was really kind of abrupt because just like
two years ago, we were in the midst of another
crackdown on talking about UFO. So it goes in cycles,
but this this this cycle appears to be it appears
to be different according to what I've heard, and that

(42:49):
that we may actually get disclosure at the end of
it this time.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Do you think that we will see it within. I
don't know how to say the next five years.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, there's a good chance. I'm not going to say
for sure, but I think there's maybe a fifty good
de chance we'll see disclosure within five years.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Now. What are your thoughts on what's happening with Trump?
Do you You know, I don't really follow politics. I never
trusted the presidents. I always believe there are puppets. But
you know, like I tell people, I do see something
with Trump that I haven't seen before. I just don't
know if there's another agenda behind that, you know, a

(43:30):
hidden agenda behind the agenda. It's so hard to tell
with everything that's happened. What are your thoughts. Do you
think he's on our side and he's trying to get
the ball rolling in the right direction for us.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump Trump in part
started this latest push towards disclosure. I know his I
believe it was his father was heavily involved in in
UFO research from within the government, and he knows all
about all about this stuff, and I think that he's not.

(44:10):
Part of the reason that people are so against him
is that in the media is because he's he's not
a puppet, or at least he's not nearly as much
of a puppet as the last few presidents we've had,
and that worries him a lot. And these people in
the so called deep state are very worried about him
who he's, from their point of view, loose cannon, and
he wants to put things back the way they were.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
So do you see do you see a victory for him?
Do you think we're still going to keep going in
that same.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Direction as far as disclosure or.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
As far as the election, do you think that he
has a chance that we're going to keep moving in
that direction?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Do I think he's going to get re elected you mean?
Or yeah, yes, I believe it will get re elected.
I think that people, that the deep state people are
not going to be able to counter the groundswell of
positive public opinion about Trump improving the economy and trying
to stop this agenda of giving all power to illegal

(45:13):
aliens and and and all that sort of thing. They've
been this crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Now as far as all these other agendas, these you know,
these hidden agendas to you know, you see it, I'm
trying to dumb us down through the media very suspect
of five G. I don't believe that it's going to
be just for faster download speeds. I believe that there's
some malevolent purposes behind that. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Oh, I totally agree. I mean, I've seen indications from
what I've been from from my research that five G
can be weaponized and can be used to spy on people,
and can be used to do mind control and several
other things. And that's the reason the government is pushing

(46:08):
for it. So are it's not to download PDF files
faster than we can do now, Everybody, including Trump and government,
wants five years. They're just salivating for it, and to
the point where they're willing to launch like a trillion
dollars worth of Theodolites in order to support it. And

(46:29):
this is in spite of the fact that I'm it's
known for sure that radiation in that wave band is
terrible for you, and they're planning on bathing the planet
and low levels of high gigur its turrets radiation, and
nobody knows what effect that'll have.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
It can't be good, definitely. Now, as far as our
secret space program of the UFOs, that do you believe
that those are actual off planet crafts or do you
think that's a lot of our military.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I think most of them are alien. My my personal
opinion is that most of them are are alien, but
maybe a third of them or are ours. The percentage
of ones that are ours is probably going to continue
to increase increased. In the nineteen sixties and seventies, they

(47:32):
reportedly perfected the any gravity craft to the point where
it was pretty safe and can carry large loads such
around the n around the mid nineties, so they have
a now a fleet of any gravity powered spacecraft. And

(47:52):
a Congressman from Alaska during that that hearing on disclosure
that they that they that Steve Bass held in Washington,
d C. Actually admitted that during the proceedings.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Now, as far as the the alien species, the Grays
for instance, they they have an agreement that they can't
intervene with anything in our planet. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, I think there's a there's like an alien un
where all the powerful alien species in act, and I
think they've got got a rule that they cannot, you know,
interfere in primitive planets unless they have local government approval.
And the Grays now have local government approval to do

(48:45):
certain things, but I don't think they can do anything
they want down here. Even still, I think they're also
there's subject to the will of other powerful alien species.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Now, have you seen an increase in implants? Uh? Since
you first started researching this.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's hard to say. I know that that most people
that come to see me have implants, because that's a
that's a totally, very highly enriched, pre selected sample of
people towards having implants or abduction activity. But as far
as an increase in introduction and the prevalence of implants

(49:31):
in the general population, I think so, But I don't
I don't know. I don't know how to how to
prove that. We'd have to do a study involving a
large number of people to prove that. Certainly the number
of UFO sciens has gone up, and most likely most

(49:54):
most of those UFO sidings are abduction related. I mean,
I have reasonably they apply thus the sorties a day
for supporting the abduction program.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Now, do you think that it's possible that we will
have disclosure from them and not it won't come from us.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, it's possible. It's quite possible.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
I know.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I've been saying that for years that that the Aliens
are going to disclose themselves eventually if we don't. And
it's possible if the Aliens give an ultimatum that they've
they've got to disclose or or or we will, and
that would certainly get the ball rolling. I don't I
don't know that for a fact, but it's possible.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Very interesting now, Steve, I want to thank you again
so much for coming on tonight, and uh, could you
give everybody your websites before you head out?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah? Sure, it's it's www dot Alien Evidence, Inc. High
n C. Dot webs dot com. And it needs a
little work, but it's got a couple of papers on
it on my implant and patient sixteen's implant that I

(51:08):
think people that are scientifically minded would find very interesting.
Both of them were sophisticated nanotechnological devices with large amounts
of carbon nanotubes in the interior, and I urge everybody
to take a look at those and there's there'usly ample
evidence from my analysis that both the those pieces were

(51:31):
from off planet.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Very good, and I want to thank you so much
again for coming on tonight, Steve, and you have an
excellent rest of your night.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Okay, you too, and thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
All right, good night, Good that tonight, I want to
welcome Joe Garbin. He has worked for more than thirty
five years as an international industrial science consultant and educator
and as the inventor of several commercially successful technologies. He
is the President emeritus of the nonprofit New Energy Movement

(52:07):
and co author of the award winning book Breakthrough Power,
How Quantum Leap new energy Inventions can transform our World,
with chronicles the challenges, opportunities, and progress and the new
energy technology field. Joel, welcome, How are you tonight?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Hey, great Chris, happy to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, welcome. Tonight's going to be fascinating because we're going
to be discussing a little bit of a new topic
for you, and it's based on your research into the
famous Your Ranch Of book, and you're going to be
presenting this also at the upcoming UFO Mega Conference in Laughlin, Nevada,
this February. First, let's get more about you and your

(52:48):
background and you know what eventually brought you to this research.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Okay, Well, professionally, I'm a scientist and my work has
been in the industrial science field as a consultant mostly
to the chemical industry, pulp and paper industry, and water
treatment industries, and I travel around to various nations over
the last thirty five years doing consulting to help the

(53:18):
folks in those fields, particularly the engineers, help them optimize
their processes. And along the way, I had learned quite
a few things that gave insight to some new technologies
that I was able to invent that's contributed some good
things to those fields. So that's been very satisfying. But

(53:40):
I guess, kind of on a more fundamental level, I'll
give you some idea of my background. So I grew
up in a very large family, a farm family outside
of Cincinnati, Ohio, raised in a very devout Catholic family.
Had some interesting experiences as a youth. When I was

(54:04):
in my i'd say twelve thirteen years old in the
early nineteen seventies, my family had a sighting, very significant
sighting of a UFO on our farm. It lasted for
probably twenty minutes. Several of it was like a cluster
of these very bright colored objects that hung up there

(54:25):
in the sky for a while, and then they separated
into these individual spheres. Stayed like that for a little bit,
then they all departed in different directions very quickly. It
was really an amazing experience. And at that time in
the Ohio Valley, there were lots of UFO sidings being reported.
In fact, even on the front page of the newspapers

(54:48):
a lot of these accounts were being given, So there
was a real UFO flap going on at the time,
and that kind of stimulated some of my interest in this,
although I would say that was submerged for quite some time.
Then later in it was probably my junior year in
high school, I had a I was involved in a

(55:10):
very severe car accident that basically looked like it was
going to take my life, and I had a what
you would call a near death experience and a full
life review that went along with that. That was really
traumatizing to me, and I really couldn't make sense of it.

(55:33):
Tried to talk to my parents about it, but it
wasn't coming out right or they were dismissive of it,
and I just had to kind of again kind of
bury this thing in me for quite some time. And
you know, later as an adult, and I would say
probably around the late nineties, I started to really get

(55:55):
some impulses to start investigating some of these fields more extensively,
including more more interest in the ufology field and also
breakthrough energy technologies, and also an intense interest in world
religions and you know, what are some of the real

(56:18):
big questions on how are we addressing those right now?
And isn't there a better way to know what the
universe really is made of, how it came about, where
it's going, what our destiny is. I was very unsatisfied
with what I had found in my life to that point, where,

(56:39):
you know, being educated, as I said, in a devout
Catholic family, which I really appreciated because there was a
lot of really great stuff in there, and I do
have a lot of respect for Catholicism, but there are
a number of these big questions about origins and history
and destiny that were not rested well there. And I

(57:02):
found that that really none of the conventional religions on
our planet does a good job of addressing these and
other big questions in a way that is really complete, coherent,
and consistent. There's just so many gaps, and I think
anyone who really studies religion at all, and oftentimes folks

(57:26):
become quite disenchanted because these these basic impulses to know
the search for truth and understanding oftentimes just cannot be
satisfactorily addressed by these religions, and people oftentimes will fall
away as a result. And I think we're seeing that
in droves now with the younger people today. I would say,

(57:50):
in your generation, Chris, my observation has been that the
church is largely or empty of the younger people. And
I think a lot of it is because, hey, you know,
young folks are asking the hard questions and they want
to have answers in they're entitled to those answers, just
like I. You know, I had that thirst for understanding

(58:10):
and truth and I haven't found it in mainstream religion.
So my mind has always been very open since undertaking
this journey to try to see if there are other
sources of information that might explain this in greater depth.
That led to some interesting experiences along this kind of

(58:34):
blended path of you know, ufology, energy science, and interest
in religion and metaphysics. So in I would say about
nineteen ninety two, I was introduced to a book that's
fairly well known called A Course in Miracles, and of course,

(58:57):
of miracles was very found in my experience, and it
really opened up something inside me that that shifted what
I would call my own spiritual perception and where I
was having a lot of personally profound mystical experiences happening

(59:18):
that I don't you know, didn't speak too much of
to anyone else, and really never had any need for
anyone else to believe it or confirm it anyway, because
what I was experiencing myself was so profound and impactful
and was resulting in a transformation in my own life
where I really felt like, well, I felt like things

(59:42):
were making more sense and I and I felt like
I was becoming better, better as a better as a parent.
I'm the father of two daughters. I think I was
becoming a better friend, a better man, all these things.
It was was very tangible the fruits of what were
going on in this this investigation, and so so that

(01:00:03):
that particular book of course of miracles and the application
of what it teaches was very very helpful to me.
Then then a little bit later, I had become pretty
closely associated in the the early uh well, the beginnings
of the Disclosure project that many of your listeners would

(01:00:25):
be familiar with. That's doctor Stephen Greer's a group and
all the activity he's organized around the education about ufology.
And I had, you know a lot of a lot
of good interactions with other people associated with that and
some some real learning experiences there. A few years later,

(01:00:48):
as I had had come to also be closely associated
with the e Seti Ranch, James Gildin's Ranch, uh, And
I've been there many, many dozens of times over the years,
well going back to around two thousand and four, while
I was up up there, and I was very familiar

(01:01:09):
with the grounds at that time. But I you know,
it was late at night. I just you know, kind
of happened to be walking along this area and there
wasn't anybody around really, just kind of some you know,
large trees and bushes, and I heard these two male
voices speaking, and as I got up close, just walking by,
I heard one of them say to the other, have

(01:01:32):
you ever read a Course of Miracles? Well, that immediately
grabbed my attention because, as I mentioned that, the study
and practice of course miracles had been such a profound
impact on me. So I immediately just stopped and listened
very carefully. And then the other male voice said, yeah,
that's really great. Have you ever read the Ranchiop book?

(01:01:56):
And I thought, what a peculiar name, and I really
noted it like that, and and the other said something
very confirmative about yeah, that's that's something valuable about that book.
And then I just I just moved on. But that
that question, have you ever read to your Ancher book?
It really stuck with me. And and the next day

(01:02:18):
I went to see, you know, where that area was
where these two voices were, and and really all that's
there is just these really tangled bushes. It's not where
any any people would hang out to have a discussion,
because this is right right, you know, I don't know,
probably fifty yards or so from where most people gather

(01:02:39):
out in the sky watching field there at the city Ranch.
But this was a kind of not a not at
all place where you would expect to find two men
late at night, where you can't hardly see your hand
in front of your face because it's so dark. So
I didn't know what that all meant. But all all
I knew was that some type of message had been given.

(01:03:01):
I followed up by by, you know, getting a copy
of your Antier book and I start to read it,
and very quickly I was impressed by by the quality
of the information that was in there. Now, I'll let
you know, I study a lot of science topics, had

(01:03:22):
studied comparative religions for a long time. You know, generally,
you know, I'm reading things that are are you know,
fairly heady information. I don't read, you know, beach romances
and that type of thing. I'm usually reading some some
stuff that uh, you know requires some rigor, okay. And

(01:03:43):
one of the things that I immediately noticed in your
antier book was the level at which the writing was
stated is at a at least a collegiate maybe even
a master's level. Through through quite a bit of it,
and it was. It was extremely consistent and comprehensive, and

(01:04:05):
what I would say is coherent regarding a wide range
of topics that overall harmonize science and philosophy and religion.
And it's a thick book, maybe two thousand pages or so,
and goes into so much startling detail about each of

(01:04:29):
those topics science, philosophy, and religion that I just could
not fathom this coming from human sources. And indeed, there
is no claim for human authorship. The claim is that
there's a commission of celestial personalities from various planets who

(01:04:53):
came together to communicate this information to our planet in
the nineteen twenties to the mid thirties, and which you know,
at that time we were in between World War One
and World War two, but very interestingly, we were also
right in the midst of all these advances in nuclear

(01:05:17):
physics the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. Well, what's an
implication there, Well, obviously what we see, you know, a
decade later, is we've got nuclear weapons on this planet
and we all know who those who follow the uthology field,
there are so many accounts of contact experiences or observations

(01:05:42):
of UFOs around nuclear facilities things like this, or or
supposed communications to contact these where the beings expressed is
very deep and dire concern about our planet's unwise use
of technology, including you know, nuclear physics because of the

(01:06:03):
arm our destructive capacities that we've developed with it. So
it's very interesting about the timing when the ranch of
book information came along, because it was in advance of
what became well known as the Roswell incident. So many
of these other incidents there, so very very interesting. So

(01:06:24):
I'll just kind of kind of leave it at that
right now, and you know, you and I talk a
little more now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
The origins of the Urania book is very mysterious. I
know there's no real known author. Have you been able
to do any more research into the origins of the book?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Well, I have gone back to the headquarters of where
the Uranchia Foundation is located. So the book itself, as
I said, the information was communicated to a small group
of doctors and their associates in the nineteen twenties up
to about nineteen thirty five, and they had formed quite

(01:07:06):
a large what they called a forum of individuals from
from from a wide range of backgrounds and careers, men
and women, you know, kind of like from very professional
ranks down to you know, fairly common blue collar ranks
and others. And that forum group had quite a role

(01:07:27):
to play in reading the material as it was coming
out through those years, asking questions and then seeing what
comes from those questions. And it was kind of like
a back and forth exchange for quite a number of
years until the information had been communicated in completeness, and

(01:07:49):
then the the what was called the Urancha Foundation was
formed in nineteen fifty with the intention to publish this
information as a book. Nineteen fifty five it actually was
published and was first the first edition was released. So
that headquarters, where the Rancher Foundation is located and where

(01:08:10):
the communications occurred is in this small mansion in Chicago.
So a couple of years ago I went back there
for my first time to meet with the people who
were there, who maintained the property and who's still there's
a small group there who meets occasionally or maybe on
a weekly basis to discuss the information, and they were

(01:08:32):
able to give me a lot of information about the background.
I was able to see the library, a lot of
the photos and things of people who were early associated
with this, and just had an amazing time. It was really,
really great. I really welcomed the reception they gave me.
They knew I was intensely interested and serious about this,

(01:08:54):
and they rose to the occasion to give me the
type of tour and the information that they could They
could tell I was legitimately seeking, so uh, it was.
It was. It was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Now when you look back at all the the religious
texts and scriptures throughout the world. It seems to be
the same version of the story, just told differently, but
a diluted version throughout every every different ancient text and writing.

(01:09:28):
But the Rancho book seems to bring it all together
and brings so much detail into it and and gives
a greater understanding. And it seems that there was this,
I guess you could say, one world type of spiritual
practice or belief that used to that used to exist.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Yeah, that's a keen observation on your part here, Chris.
So I'm going to give you my perspective on this,
and I will try to differentiate and remember to differentiate
between what is you know, Joel Garvin's thoughts and opinions
versus what the the celestial authors of the material say. Okay, So,

(01:10:09):
as I mentioned, they claim to be, you know, these
celestial beings from many different planets, including beings from this planet,
who have been here ever since the beginning of human
civilization and even earlier. So they have been witnesses to

(01:10:31):
the history of this planet and the rise of humanity
from animal origins through the whole you know, evolutionary process,
and they have they have observed history as it's unfolded here,
including how primitive man practiced his original natural religion, which

(01:10:54):
they would call, let's see the word that they use
for that is evolutionary religion as opposed to revealed religion.
So as as the the evolutionary religions are happening, it's
it's it's pretty much unfolds the way we would expect.

(01:11:15):
You know, primitive man worshiped nature worship, you know, lightning, plants, animals, stones, mountains, volcanoes,
all these things in the natural world that were very
impressive and sometimes fear inspiring or awesome to them. They
also we were very curious and fearful of what happens

(01:11:37):
when when their family members and friends die and all
of a sudden, this animated body suddenly has no animation
at all, and it had an inherent sense that something
went out of it, you know, and they thought of
these things in terms of ghosts and at okay, where
did that go? And you know, is it still lingering around?

(01:11:59):
They always sense it was still somehow associated with the body,
and so they were they're very afraid of this concept
of ghosts and spirits and things like that. So later
later religion evolved as a type of you know, ghost cults,
or spirit cults things like that, and just kind of

(01:12:21):
progressed on like that over a very long periods of times,
and we're talking hundreds of thousands of years. And what
the celestial authors of the Ranchibook say is that it
wasn't until about five hundred thousand years ago that the
first instances of revealed religion happened, and that that was

(01:12:44):
associated with the arrival on this planet of a planetary administrator,
a very high order being who was sent to this
planet along with a staff of of other beings with
the mission to teach human beings and advance human culture

(01:13:10):
on this planet in a lot of basic ways to
begin with. So that would be teaching agriculture, basic industry
like metalworking, pottery making, animal husbandry, the basics of hygiene,
the basics of home building, the basics of culture, from

(01:13:31):
the standpoint of governance, family, Uh, how do you how
do you live with civility instead of savagery? Things like this.
And then they also imparted the earliest teachings of revealed religion.
And this is coming from the the the understanding that

(01:13:53):
these advanced celestial beings have of the origin, nature, and
history of of you know, the universe at large, including
its creator. So they are bringing information about what we
might call God, and they imparted relatively simple teachings about

(01:14:18):
about God and the creative universe, and they were only
only enough to really make an impression on the the
you know, primitive man's mind. Basic things, but you might
say they were kind of like the rudiments of what
later became known as the Ten Commandments. So just kind

(01:14:41):
of simple instructions here and and that was about all
that could be handled at that time by the primitive man.
But they they that administration from that, that planetary administrative
being went along quite normally, because this is a normal
process that happens, they say, on any inhabited planet where

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the evolutionary life has resulted in the arise of human
beings from animal origins, that it is normal for at
a certain stage in the primitive human progress, there's the
arrival of this planetary administrator being and the staff that
goes along with that, and so on our planet. Apparently

(01:15:32):
that went along pretty well for about three hundred thousand years,
and it started from the headquarters world or the headquarters
capital of that administrative being in Staff, which they said
was located in the Persian Gulf. And what they would
do is they would bring to that headquarters city all

(01:15:56):
of the best and brightest from the surrounding tribes and races,
and they would educate them there at the headquarters. And
after they had imparted you know, a good deal, this
kind of kind of basic education for advancing culture, they
would send those those best and brightest humans back to
their tribes as ambassadors so that they could teach. And

(01:16:20):
then and then, you know, again, this kept going in
successive waves and started to radiate out to to you know,
a greater diameter of influence, uh, you know, of of
the the primitive human culture that was you know, surrounding
this this first capital on our planet. Then apparently something

(01:16:43):
went awry where they said there was a rebellion within
our local system of planets, and that the rebellion occurred
at a at a very high level. Basically the Admistrator
being of a whole system of nearly six hundred inhabited planets,

(01:17:07):
ours being only one of those six hundred some that
that being went into rebellion against the universal administration. And
there were devastating consequences that were, you know, that impinged
on that rebellion, and it resulted in the quarantine of

(01:17:31):
not only our planet, but apparently you know, more than
thirty other planets in our our local system of world.
So now now we were just essentially cut off from
what apparently are the normal lines of communication that exist
between inhabited planets, and and there's you know, as they

(01:17:55):
speak of it, there routinely is travel between veryious beings
to to all different kinds of planets. But under the
quarantine situation that all you know now was suddenly abridged
and not available. There was a lot of chaos that
went on, not only in the celestial realms here, but

(01:18:18):
but the great progress in culture that had been imparted
over those three hundred thousand years to the point where
there were there were you know, cities with you know,
megalithic structures and technology and and you know, humans were progressing,
you know, to a to a fairly high state of civilization.

(01:18:39):
All of that went into retrograde. And so now the
man who had become fairly uh sophisticated and noble went
back into a state of barbarism and savagery, and what
had been learned became lost. So there was a catastrol

(01:19:00):
loss of knowledge that had occurred with this rebellion, and
there's many, many other fascinating details that go along with it.
But it makes a lot of sense when we go
back and we find that increasingly archaeologists as they as
they go and they explore and they dig, they uncovered
their findings. Well, what keeps happening? They keep pushing back

(01:19:25):
the dates for when there apparently was sophisticated advanced human culture. Well,
if this, if this rebellion that we spoke of occurred
as they say, two hundred thousand years ago, and that
at that point two hundred thousand years ago there was

(01:19:46):
high culture among humans, including cities and technology and all this,
well that says you know, what we've been finding in
archaeology so far, which has kind of just taking us
back to maybe you know, ten thousand, you know, year
ten thousand BC, let's say, for for you know, go
Beckley Teppe, you know, in Turkey and some of these

(01:20:06):
other sites, you know, But but knowing of of earlier
human dwellings with much lesser sophistication going back some tens
of thousands of years, what it says is there's tons
more to uncover there's all kinds of archaeological opportunities that
are going to be out there, much of it supposedly
submerged beneath the eastern Mediterranean and in that Persian Gulf

(01:20:31):
area and and off the coast of India. That that's
where most of the you know, most of the most
incredible fines are likely going to be located.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Now, when you were speaking of the being that rebelled,
would this be the same story of Lucifer?

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yes, so, so they do give names, they don't hesitate
to give names and clarification for who these beings are.
So so, the way the authors of the rancherbook describe it,
Lucifer was a high level being who was essentially the
administrator of our local system of approximately six hundred planets.

(01:21:15):
And that his administration went along, you know, very well,
and very normally for someone who had his the trust
that had been imparted to him by the universe administrator.
And you know, but there came a time where things
were going awry in his mind. He was starting to

(01:21:39):
demonstrate a lot of what you might call signs of
insubordination and a degree of egoic pride and a real
restlessness with what they referred to as the divine plan
of of evolutionary progression, which a key element of that

(01:22:05):
plan for our level, for our human level, is that
despite us starting at these very low animal origin beginnings,
that we gradually evolve and ascend and progress to levels
of spiritual understanding and experiential glory that goes way past

(01:22:34):
the order of being at which Lucifer was, and at
this apparently aggravated him to such a degree he just
could not stand the thought of these lowly humans, pathetic
as we were and may still are, I guess that
we would somehow be part of a divine plan that

(01:22:57):
had us bypassing him and going on to much much
greater heights of universal understanding and experience. And there's good
reason for why why all that plan has art or
being doing that. But anyway, lucifer rebellion is what they
called it. They said it impacted this whole local system.

(01:23:19):
It occurred over over you know, not just in an instant,
but over some you know, fairly protracted period of years.
But basically what happened was that on thirty some inhabited planets,
the planetary administrator being also joined the rebellion, and you

(01:23:41):
know ours did from this planet as well, and they
give a name to that being. They say his name
was Calagastia. Now people also say, well, okay, so our
Lucifer and Satan, are they the same thing or what's
going on? And the authors are very clear and saying, Nope,

(01:24:01):
Lucifer Satan, those are two different beings. They they they
have a relationship from the standpoint that while Lucifer was
the head administrative being for our local system of six
hundred some worlds, his first lieutenant essentially was Satan, and
Satan had more in interaction with our planet because part

(01:24:24):
of his role was to go and to visit the
various inhabited planets on on on various assignments of administration
and things like that. So he was well acquainted with
our world and the celestial beings here were well acquainted
with him. But anyway, he was able to essentially recruit Calagastia,

(01:24:45):
our planetary administrator, to join the rebellion, under the promise
that Calagaskia would essentially be god of the Earth. And
they say the name, the celestial name or our planet
Earth is called Uranchia, and that the name itself means
our place in the heavens. But anyway, you know, this

(01:25:10):
is how they describe what happened here, and it resulted
in planetary havoc for the human race and for culture itself,
and caused a lot of problems for other celestial orders
who were essentially trapped here on our planet because because
of the quarantine, and there were rebellions that and defaults

(01:25:31):
that happened in those other celestial realms as well. For instance,
many of the angels effect that It's apparently the majority
of the angelic beings that were here also went into
the rebellion because they could not conceive of a brilliant
administrator like Caligastia of being able to make such a

(01:25:54):
gross error as to as to join something that was uh,
that was awry. So they trusted him basically, so they
and they went along and got pulled pulled into that uh.
And there were other orders of being too where there
was you know, quite a bit of losses due to

(01:26:16):
the rebellion. So it was a sad state of affairs
on all levels and and had had dire consequences to
human culture and was the primary reason for the loss
of all this knowledge that we had accumulated for three
hundred thousand years and that we have never recovered since.

(01:26:39):
And and the implications here and the consequences have been
you know, why we continue to have, you know, racial strife,
why we continue to be so ridiculously violent, Why we
have so many religions of various beliefs, so many of which,
if not all, that that are not consistent or coherent

(01:27:02):
or comprehensive as far as how they explain origin's history
and destiny. So there's a lot of clashes between religions
and all these things that we're so familiar with, and
not the least of which is the fact that the
human life span and our susceptibility to illness and things
like this, many of these things do not exist at

(01:27:25):
all on other planets that were not involved in the
rebellion and that have progressed, have continued to progress along
according to the normal plan Had we been one of
those planets, we would be so far in advance of
where we are right now that this planet would be
practically unrecognizable. So it's you know, it was a disastrous

(01:27:51):
undertaking that happened to us now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Also, a good portion of the book talks about the
life and teachings of Jesus. What can you tell us
about that that that differs from you know, the biblical
teachings of Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Yes, so so probably fully uh, well, more than a
fourth of the book is devoted to the life and
teachings of Jesus and who he is, what his role
and mission was, and and you know where, you know,
where do we come into play with with this being

(01:28:29):
called Jesus. You know, first thing they say is that
that part of the uh, the way the universal administration
of worlds occurs is that, uh, there are various levels
of creator beings and administrative beings. There's a level called

(01:28:54):
the Creator Sons and the Creator Mother spirits that are
jointly responsible for the creation and organization of what they
call a local universe. A local universe is a sector
of space time that has has millions of stars in

(01:29:18):
it and perhaps billions of planets, but that eventually is
to be inhabited, with up to about ten million inhabited planets.
And an inhabited planet is defined as a planet where
the evolutionary life has progressed to the point where humans

(01:29:40):
have arisen on it, so it's only considered inhabited when
the human order of life has arisen on the planet
and we are described our order being is described as
evolutionary will creatures, meaning that we have a free will
prerogati to make moral choices and to know God, to

(01:30:03):
know our Creator. So the the creator son, the creative
spirit who organize create the beings that inhabit their local universe.
There are certain things that are required of the creator
son before he can take will have what they would

(01:30:25):
call complete sovereignty over the universe of his own making,
and one of those requirements is that he is required
to essentially incarnate on seven different orders of his beings,

(01:30:45):
of the beings that he's created. So, for instance, a
creator some would be required to essentially appear as an
angel on an angelic level, on the level of the
administrator beings like what Lucifer and Satan reat and other

(01:31:06):
orders as well, but he's required to have these actual
life experiences as a being on seven different orders of being.
The final and lowest experience is the incarnation as a
human being, and that each Creator son is required to

(01:31:30):
do this and when he completes that seventh what they
call a bestow. Each of these are our seven bestows
that after the final bestow in the in the a
life as a flesh and blood human being, and he
completes that mission successfully, then he is granted sovereignty over

(01:31:52):
the local universe of his own making. They say that
the creator, son of our local universe, incarnated on this
planet as Jesus of Nazareth. There's a lot of detail
that goes into the the narrative about this uh such

(01:32:14):
such startling detail. Essentially gives a history of the life
of Jesus from the from even before he was born.
It gives kind of the genealogy of his parents, what
the what the times were like on our planet, especially
in the eastern Mediterranean area, you know, and through in
Palestine and all that, what the the the Jewish culture

(01:32:38):
was like at the time in great, great detail. And
then it details essentially his life as a you know,
as an infant, and each year, all the way through
his whole life in just amazing detail. And it provides
so much, so much of a consistent, coherent tapestry of

(01:33:03):
who this person was and is, what his role and
mission was, what his teachings were and what they were
meant to result in. It makes sense, It makes such
profound sense to anyone who reads it, you know, studiously
and seriously, you know, as I have, I know many

(01:33:25):
others have, and it's you know, it's interesting, Chris. You
know when I'm I'm going to go speak at this
uf OMEGA conference in Laflin in next month, in February,
and the topic of my presentation is is there a

(01:33:46):
universal religion among the advanced inhabited planets? And much of
that talk is going to be based on the information
that's contained in the Your Antier book. And one of
the challenging things in speaking to an audience of many
hundreds face to phase on the topic of religion is

(01:34:08):
that religion just strikes the nerves in just about everybody
for one reason or another, you know, and the name
Jesus strikes a lot of those nerves as well, and
even more deeply for various reasons. But the Urantia book

(01:34:32):
just unabashably calls it out from the standpoint of the
celestial beings, who are just saying, like, look, we've witnessed
all of this from the beginning history of your own
planet and through the beginning of human human beings appearing
on the planet, and all through your civilization's history. We

(01:34:55):
were there, We saw it, and we're giving you our
account and we're giving you our understanding of what this
all is. And it's it's it's just done in such
an articulate and I would say, as I said, a
pretty pretty high level way. This isn't you know, a

(01:35:16):
little kind of fairy tale stuff that you read to
your kids. This is written at a you know, a
collegiate or master's level.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
And it's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Anyway, it's really impressed me from the standpoint of the
comprehensiveness of the material, and it's it's consistency, and as
I said, it's it's coherence. It makes sense. It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
When you look back at ancient human history. We used
to have open contact with these celestial beings. It seemed
we had a lot more open contact and things like
you said, just stop. We lost all this knowledge at
some point. Do you see this ever returning. Do you

(01:36:05):
see us ever getting back to an age where we
can communicate with these beings again and we will get
back some of this lost knowledge that we used to have.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Well, it appears that some of that is happening now
right with all the contact testimonies that there are, and
I believe that many have had actual contact with various
celestial beings. The material in the your answer book, it

(01:36:36):
says itself, says, yeah, absolutely, there will be increasing interaction
between beings from other planets on a visible level, on
a relational level, and at that is part of the
normal transaction of culture and commerce. You know in the
universe that things aren't you know, the way things are

(01:37:00):
so disordered on our planet are not the norm. You know,
we were taken off track to such a serious degree
and we are now such a confused, beleaguered little world
that we can't even comprehend the way things have progressed
on normal worlds. And where where interaction and actual like

(01:37:23):
daily broadcasts from the universe headquarters to each planet and
kind of like what's going on on the much larger
stage that that's commonplace. And what it leads to is
this breakdown of judgment. Uh, not only within our own

(01:37:43):
order of being. You know that that on this world
we have so many judgments between ourselves and people of
of you know who you know live in other countries
or speak another language, or have a different skin color
or different religion, or they might just be our neighbor.
We don't like the way wash their car. You know,
we have so many different different judgments, but you know,

(01:38:05):
on these other planets they have they have been educated
and andculturated to see a brotherhood among first their own
order a being, the human order. They come to understand
and experience and live authentically the brotherhood of man, and

(01:38:26):
then they extend that increasingly to the brotherhood of all
created beings. That we are all the children of God.
And of course this was a primary message of Jesus.
His primary message was to be a representative, to be

(01:38:47):
a the incarnation of the love and mercy of God,
and to teach the reality of the brotherhood of man,
because we are all children of the Divine, and we
have a divine inheritance awaiting us as part of our

(01:39:07):
divine destiny, should we choose it. It's not automatic, it's
not imposed on us. There's nothing at all about how
the divine relates to our order being. There's nothing at
all about it that is coercive or that compels us

(01:39:28):
or commands us. It is simply offered to us. And
we have various celestial influences, including guardian angels who are
with us, who they say are very real and extremely important,
and the human life and the human progression forward, you know,

(01:39:50):
being such as those angels, they're continuously nudging us to
experience and embrace true youth and beauty and goodness, which
they describe as the divine qualities. And that is we
we more consistently and more frequently choose these experiences of truth,

(01:40:13):
beauty and goodness, that we will start to grow a
reality of our own, that is the human soul. That
it's actually an evolving reality that becomes increasingly real with
those choices of truth, beauty and goodness. And which is
to say that those same choices are identical with choosing

(01:40:35):
the will of God. It's not like there's some big
bearded being up here who's beating on us that you know,
you've got to obey me, obey me, obey me. It's
not at all like that. It's consistent choices of truth
and beauty and goodness which which move us forward. They
progress us in our own reality. We become more real,

(01:40:57):
and we become much more endowed with spiritual reception, much
more likely to receive direct communication from from spirit, from
deity to us in a very personal way. And it's
it's what you encounter when you see people who who

(01:41:20):
you might say that person is spirit touched. You know,
they they really have something going on. You can tell
it by the person. And these people are good people.
You could tell they're good people. They they're they're they're
just tremendously motivated to to discover uncover more truth. They

(01:41:41):
want to have understanding. They want to be of high
service on this planet. You know, they are loving people.
They're trying to to to minister. They believe that that
there is there is a loving, beneficent God. They believe
that it makes sense that there's a brotherhood and sister
of humanity. And it's not surprising that their spiritual perception

(01:42:07):
and receptivity has blossomed along with that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
So now you know, when you're talking about angels and
spirituality and then you look at UFO research. I'm very
disappointed in some of this UFO research lately because I
don't think they're connecting dots. I believe that the metaphysical, paranormal, UFOs, extraterrestrials,

(01:42:34):
you know, spiritual beings, angels, I think it's all connected.
And you know, these fields of research, they keep each
other separated. They don't communicate with each other enough. And
I think that if they came together and started researching
this as a whole phenomenon that we could learn so
much more about it. What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Well, yeah, I think that that's a great insight, Chris.
There there is a lot of terf for in the
ufology field, just like in any field of research. And
you know, the the development of ego is on fertile territory,
you know, and any any realm or research. And I

(01:43:16):
would say, uh, it's very typical in human observation. That is,
people become more expert, more recognized, that there is a
temptation toward becoming you know, more prideful, maybe even more arrogant,
and very defense of about one's own research. And I

(01:43:39):
see this in the science field all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
I've dealt with with with hundreds and hundreds of very
very uh, very knowledgeable scientists, some some of some renown
as well and have observed these traits. And I've always
been very curious that, you know, uh, people who are
very very intelligent, who aren't willing to look at the

(01:44:06):
data of somebody else, they become very closeted and dogmatic
about their own research. And I feel very threatened when
there's something else that essentially is a new discovery, and
I find that very intellectually dishonest from a science level anyway,
because of course science is meant to be the pursuit
of truth, and so when it happens in the field

(01:44:28):
of uthology, it's not surprising. This seems to be the
human nature here. One of the things that I love
about the Urantia material is it shows the harmony between
all of these orders you mentioned, you know, so whether
it's the angelic level, other spiritual beings, whether they are

(01:44:51):
they might just be advanced human beings on other planets
who have technology to travel the universe. It might be
beings in between, be beings that just are solely of
mind nature with no material nature at all, you know,
or in all kinds of things in between. The Ranch
of books speaks of all of that, and it speaks of,

(01:45:14):
you know, how they were created, It speaks of what
their roles and missions are. It speaks of, you know,
where do they hail from. There's so much intense detail
about this that I believe reading this material seriously, and
it's and it's a heavy study, you know, two thousand pages,

(01:45:37):
and it would take I would say, the average human
would take at least a year to read it all
with any type of comprehension at all. Then, like, I've
been reading it for fifteen years. Others who I study with,
you know, some of them up to fifty years, they've
been reading the material. So I'm just a neophyte at
fifteen years. But I but I have increasingly been encouraging

(01:46:00):
my contacts in the UFO research field to read the
Urantier book because I think it can help inform them
in their own field of research. And I just say
you will, and I just tell them, I say, you
will find it self evident if you were to do that,
because if you're doing the archaeological part, you'll find so

(01:46:22):
much information about the archaeology you might might even pinpoint
where you should be looking. You know, if you're looking
at how do you harmonize the philosophy that we're hearing
from the testimony of contact ees? You know, how we
harmonize that with the science aspect that's in there too?
How do we harmonize where are they coming from physically?

(01:46:44):
You know, where are these planets located? Such and such,
you know, or such things as a planetary rebellion because
that's not a new theme either. You know, it's certainly
been bedded in the world religions for for you know,
thousands of years, not and I'm not just saying Judaism
or Christianity. You know, the the idea of a rebellion
is all over this. You know, demons and angels and

(01:47:07):
and and you know demi urges and you know beings
like all that kind of thing. I mean, it's all
over the place. So there's something for everybody to learn
and to and to advance their own research. I believe
in in reading this even if you just read it
like a I don't read it like a novel. But

(01:47:29):
as you read it like a novel, pretty quick you're
going to say, I don't know any human novelist of
this skill and this knowledge based and this wisdom. Because
even if you took out all of the science references
or anything about orders of being any of that stuff,
there is so much wisdom that hits you on the

(01:47:51):
side of the head and in the heart throughout the book.
It's it's just nothing like it I've I've found in
my experience that's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
I'm very much looking forward to your presentation for the
last few minutes that we have, why don't you tell
us more about the New Energy Movement and some of
the research and developments that are going on right now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
So, the New Energy Movement is a nonprofit that was
founded back in two thousand and three, and I was
part of that first group who came together to form
the organization and served as a second president and then
four eleven years and then a couple of years ago,
I handed over the reins to the new president, Susan Manowitch.

(01:48:39):
And what we have, you know, done with the organization
over all these years is execute a mission's that is
largely to educate about what's going on behind the scenes
and breakthrough energy technologies. And we also have served as
advocates for the inventor community who are working on these

(01:49:00):
these breakthrough UH technologies. Many of the inventors, if not
all of them, have labored for for very long times
and in UH well, what I would say are very
compromised conditions, both from the standpoint of funding for their
research or sometimes you know, even like trying to to

(01:49:25):
keep uh you know, destructive forces from disrupting their research
once once they demonstrate that they actually have something that's
that's uh, you know, of of significant impact and kind
of all things in between, you know, because being an
inventor and I am one, so I know what it.

(01:49:45):
You know, what it takes to go from the idea
on the back of a n appkin to a to
a fully successful commercial technology. There's so many stages in
between where to bring resources to the inventor community is
a very very valuable service and we we've tried to
perform that well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
So there's a number of inventors who who I've interacted
with over the years and continue to and a number
of discrete projects that I'm working on, uh, some in
confidence to to help with the resourcing of technologies of
promise and uh and to try to help help get

(01:50:23):
the the inventor on uh you know, on a tract
that is sustainable. So uh it's been a fascinating ride.
And I would say in some ways because of what
I've been able to witness over the years, it's it's
like we're you know, looking behind the wizard's curtain. You've
kind of seeing, you know, what's what's going on. And

(01:50:45):
it's been quite an education for me. Uh you know,
and there's been as I said, before about science in general.
It's been interesting to see how egos interplay. You know,
if suddenly you feel like from your research you've invented
something that will make oil obsolete, the temptations that go

(01:51:09):
along with that in the mind of an inventor are immense,
and I've watched some take themselves down because of the
personality distortion that occurred. And these are people who had
real working technologies, right, it's a real problem. One of
the things that I always try to do with the

(01:51:31):
inventors is to encourage them to rediscover their humble gene
and try to remind them. So many of them would
say that they were given a vision or a download
or what have you, so they know that the ideas

(01:51:51):
aren't originating in themselves. It's actually information that's come to them.
And I would say probably the majority of them definitely
believe there's extraterrestrial life and believe that you know that
it's been visiting here for some time, and that there
is technology and ideas and things like that that are
being seated here. So to have them remember that these

(01:52:17):
ideas have been gifted to them, to maintain the humility
about that experience, and don't all of a sudden think
that you know, you should be the bill gates of
free energy or something like that, because that's a that's
a pretty blind hat to go down, and it's taken

(01:52:37):
a number of folks down with it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Now, are there any new energy technologies that you can
talk about maybe something we could look forward to in
the near future.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Well, I think that there's a few classifications of technology
rather than speaking about any particular inventor. You know, the
the class of technology that's come to be known as
cold fusion does have some real promise to it. It's

(01:53:10):
been very slow in developing over the years because there's
been a lot of dissension about the theory of how
it actually occurs. How do you end up getting excess
heat from you know, these combinations of common materials. You know,
oftentimes you know, heavy water and you know, the application

(01:53:35):
of of some current through the water through electrolysis processes,
things like that, and other processes where they might be
be heating up hydrogen gas in the presence of various
catalysts like nickel and some other things. And a number
of those have been described, you know, in the literature,

(01:53:57):
and some of them even have gotten very high levels
of funding and things like that. But that ColdFusion field
in general, that will eventually result in some commercial technologies,
you know, something that's going to happen within you know,
three years, five years, a decade. But it has advanced
to the point where it's very repeatable and it's definitely

(01:54:21):
over unity and that you're you're getting more energy out
from the apparent energy input going into the process. That's
not to say energy is being created, it's just that,
you know, there are forms of energy that we're not
very good at measuring that become manifest in the process
in forms that we can readily use, like light or

(01:54:43):
heat or mechanical power or electrical power. You know. So
that's one that's one realm of technology. There are others
that are plasma based that show quite a bit of promise.
I had worked with you know, one researcher for a
few years on that and there's very exciting to see
some of that technology. So there'll be plasma based technologies.

(01:55:09):
There's some others that are based on on principles of magnetism, uh,
you know, magnetic motors. People might hear about that at times.
And also there's some solid state you know, magnetic devices
solid state, meaning there's no moving parts, but they're they're

(01:55:30):
using they might be using a type of switching of
current UH with a microprocessor in ways that that allows
UH electric electricity to be extracted from it. And you know,
there's and there's some other mechanical power type of devices

(01:55:50):
that are using novel applications of compressed air or or
or you know, compressed water that I have found that
there's principles of geometry and acceleration of fluid that can
result in an overunity effect as well. And like some

(01:56:14):
of those technologies trace their roots back to a well
known Austrian researcher named Victor Schauberger, So some of those
are going to be coming out too, perhaps even sooner
than the cold fusion technologies. So anyway, that's kind of
a handful, small handful of some of these, So there's

(01:56:35):
stuff going on. There definitely are quite a few different
overunity technologies on this planet right now that are in
processes of development and eventual commercialization of that. I can
say for a fact because I have seen experienced several
of those, so you know they're there. But of course

(01:56:57):
for every one of those, there's probably one hundred frauds
or hoaxes out there right be discerning.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Well, very good, Well, thank you so much. Don't for
coming by tonight before you head out, let everyone know
where they can find you work.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Well. I think that the what I would best recommend
right now is if you're interested in the new energy
field and those comments I made about that, go to
New Energymovement dot org. New Energymovement dot org and you
can see you know, things on that website and what
the mission is. There's also a lot of you know

(01:57:34):
videos and things, some conference presentations. You can also google
my name Joel Garbin and you can find some things there.
But I also for the folks who are interested in
the discussion about the urante material and what the value
of that is for I think all areas of human
study to increase understanding. You can go to a number

(01:57:57):
of different websites. The one I like the most it's
just simply called truthbook dot com. Truthbook dot com, and
you can you can listen online to the book being read.
You can find all different kinds of historical research about
the book and all different topics that it addresses. Uh,

(01:58:20):
there's there's a lot of really cool videos in there,
including videos about the cosmology that the book describes. Some
of them are really very professional and beautifully done. So
that's a great place to start truth truthbook dot com.
Or you can just go type in your ranch you
are a n T I A. You'll find all kinds

(01:58:43):
of things there. One thing I would caution you against, though,
because the material is very controversial, especially in the world
of conventional mainstream religion. You will find a lot of
naysayers of the Ranch material here. But what I have
found consistently is that those who are criticizing it, especially

(01:59:07):
the ones who criticize it most vehemently, have not read it.
It's just like getting a someone being a critic of
a movie who's never seen the movie. It's absurd, Okay,
So bear that in mind and do your own research
and come to your own conclusions.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
Very good. Well, thank you so much again, Joel. Look
forward to seeing you in February, and you have a
great rest of your night.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
Thank you too, brother. Take care, Chris.

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