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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Today.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I want to welcome Tim Moon.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
He is a lifelong middle school and high school teacher
who enjoys occasionally sharing his lifelong fascination with the mysterious
cryptic monsters. His book, Tomato Fields has been ten years
in the writing, but prior to his recovery five years ago,
its completion would have been impossible. Tim welcome, How you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm good? Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'm excellent. It's great to have you. I am looking
forward to this. You research one of my favorite phenomena,
which I even recently included in my documentary that just
came out, which is mysterious cryptid creatures such as Bigfoot.
When I first started this show, I didn't cover bigfoot.
I actually kind of thought it was like a silly

(01:27):
topic until I started looking into it myself and speaking
with researchers like yourself and people who had actually experienced
this phenomena. And I really have come to think that
the existence of cryptids, especially bigfoot, to me, is probably
one of the most compelling probabilities, especially after speaking to

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people like I said, who have directly experienced this phenomena
and they believe it themselves, And that alone is compelling
enough for me to actually look into it myself. And
I've spoken with many people who really believe their stories.
So this is going to be very interesting. Before we
get into your work and your research, as your first

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time on, tell us about yourself and what led you
to delve into these topics and ultimately write your book.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well. I am a longtime teacher and administrator, and since
a child, I've been fascinated with the situation topic of bigfoot.
I saw the movie The Legend of Boggy Creek when
I was in the seventies. I was pretty young, and

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it just captivated me. I found it very scary and
also very interesting, and tended to think there was something
to it from then on. But about twenty years ago
I really started studying it and really started reading and
listening to the report and looking at the evidence. And

(03:04):
there's just so much evidence and so much smoke. There
has to be fires. It can't not exist, if I think,
you have to have your head in the sand to
deny completely that this exists. What it is we don't know,
but that the fact that all over the world, from

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a multiplicity of cultures, language groups, nations, that they have
millions of reports reporting many of the same things. You
just can't pull that off without without there being some
reality to it. I mean, I know, I study history,

(03:49):
I am a historian, and you can't get people to
agree on anything, let alone, let alone a monster that
exists all around the world and does pretty much the
same things to everybody it shows up to. How could
you you? No one could do that. I mean even
in Australia, there's different continents that are separated by oceans

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so that have these things. So it is very unusual,
It is very mysterious, but it is also very real
in my opinion, And I began to think that there's
a lot of nonfiction writing on Bigfoot there's just it's
all over the place. Every almost everybody who does it
writes about it nonfiction, and I started thinking, it's just

(04:34):
not working. It's not through people discount facts. They they
say they, but they do they. And so there's a
saying I heard once It says facts tell stories sell,
And I started thinking about ten fifteen, about fifteen years ago,
I thought maybe we should use fiction who to try

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to draw people to this mystery and to gain some
legitimacy in it through cool stories with cool people and
cool characters that are forced into situations they were not
wanting to be in. And then the whole idea was
I started thinking, if we could use nonfiction to have
an impact on people and draw more people and get

(05:21):
access maybe more belief in the mystery. So I started
toying with that idea. And then my brother and I
were helping my uncle do some work at his house
and a show came on, a bigfoot show. I can't
remember what it was, but I said, what's the strangest
thing you've ever seen out in the country because he

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lives out in the country, and he said he proceeded
to tell me a story of an encounter with Bigfoot.
That was just unbelievable. I mean that was checked off
all the boxes. I mean not very many of the
stories check off all the boxes. But he heard it,
he spelled it, it yelled at him. He ran from it.

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He thought he was going to have to shoot at it.
Just really a big story, and I was shocked. I
couldn't believe that I'd known him all my life and
I never knew that this had happened. But he didn't
want to tell anybody because he felt they'd laugh at him.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I'd love to hear a synopsis of the story as possible.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'll tell you. I can tell you right now. He
bought some property in Mason County, just above the Hood
Canal Hook, and he was a he's a builder, so
he was going to he worked in Seattle, but he
came home on the weekends and he was working on
building some houses on that property. And he was He

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lived in a small house that already existed on the property,
and then he built houses on the land adjacent to it.
But he had come home for the weekend and went outside.
I had to work on his trailer lights. It was
dusk and it was August, so it was warm. For
Seattle standards. For my standards, it's not warm, so but

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for Seattle standards, it was warm. And he walked outside.
It was playing with his trailer, and he smelled something
funny and he thought something had died, or there was
a skunk or something. So he started looking around to
see if he could see it. And up to his left,
about seventy yards and a light pole that held helped

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hold the power lines, still helps hold power lines. He
saw an animal standing there about nine and a half
ten feet tall, staring back at him, unhappy, and then
once they made eye contact, it started screaming at him.
And you know the scream where it starts high and

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then or starts low and then ends high and its ear.
He said, it's scared, scared him really bad. He it
just vibrates through you. And he he ran to his
house fast as he could to grab his shotgun, and
he there's had the little window in the door that
he was looking out, and he thought it was coming

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for him. He was pretty sure he was going to
look out that window and it was going to be
hitting his direction, and that his shotgun was not going
to be very useful. And it it looked it finished
screaming and looked at him for a little while longer,
and then it turned back into the woods where it
had come from. It was more than twenty seconds. Yeah,

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but it's you as you.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know, if you've talked, that's an intense twenty seconds though,
and that's.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
A ten twenty seconds that never leaves you, you know
from then on, Yeah, you always and you just don't
ever get away from it. So I personally never had
experience with that. I've had a couple UFO experiences that
still are pretty pretty strong in my mind, but I

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haven't had that with this creature. Although I've listened to thousands,
literally thousands and or read thousands of them, and I
just I love like every time I hear when I
was listening to an hour last night too, I just
I still want to I just fascinated by the whole thing.
So anyway, the whole idea was to try to write

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a book to bring this out, to maybe engage people
in and win them through stories, to at least getting
rid of some of their doubts, perhaps or suspending them
for a while and maybe saying, oh, maybe there's something
to this, and that's my hope. So kind of how
it came around, and then it took me a while

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to write it. I'd never written one before, so I
had to learn a lot. There's a lot to learn
to write a novel. But I think it's from the
first novel it's worked out well and I've got really
good reviews, and I've learned a lot of things to
do for the next one. So I'm already starting on that.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
The book is Tomato Fields. Could you give us a
synopsis of the book as well?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, it is. I were in it. I took it
back to the seventies. My brother said that there used
to be an area field that they dumped all their sewage.
They just took it down. The trucks would take it
out and just dump it all out there with a hose,
and as a result, a lot of vegetation grew because

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of seeds in human waste and fertilizer involved, and there
was a lot of vegetation grown. And he said there
was a lot of tomatoes. So he just started calling
the area the tomato fields. And it's just up the
hill and down the hill from his house. So he
turned he saw where the animal left when it left,
and he thinks, well, I think it was going back

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down toward that area because a lot of the local
game fed there. They went there to eat the deer
and the the the elk, and the bear and probably
and probably the bigfoot. So the whole story revolves around

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his house. It's even his house in the book, it's
still his address, and the Tomato Fields area, and then
there the town or the few people in the town
that have to deal with this thing suddenly and how
they try to resolve the issue, and so it revolves
around that area. But the Tomato Fields is itself a

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fictional name. No one ever really called the area that,
but we used it. A lot of the book is fiction,
but believe me, it's it's not fictional in the sense
that it describes things that actually have happened, because I
took a lot of the thousands of stories I read
and used my imagination and thought, well, what could possibly

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happen in this situation, and it was pretty realistic, even
though I made up the situations, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Right right right now.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
As far as the other experiences that you took from
that went into your book, is there any that really
stand out for you besides the story you just told us.
Any other encounters that really stand out that you'd like
to share.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
With us.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
In terms of things that I've.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
That other that others have told you that they've witnessed.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, the the things that mean the most, that I
get the most out of are the things that where
people do stuff that seems unusual. One of them always
comes to mind when people ask about this. There's one
where these campers in Washington State, these girl Scouts, were
having a camp at you know where they go out

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for church camps or something like that, and one of
these things showed up and all the girls ran, but
one of the girls started running around the animal in
a circle, just circling them, and the animal was as
dumbfounded as she was. And I thought, who would ever
make that up? No one would ever make that up,

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that someone would run around the animal in a circle.
And I tended some of the things that I look
for in the stories is people who are legitimately afraid
when they tell their story, and then when they do
kind of unusual things, because honestly, when people are put
under pressure, they tend to do unusual things, and you

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often go, why did they do that? Have you ever
had that experience and so I look for ironies like
that when I look for stories to see is there
some irony in it or is this just, you know,
predictable using the five basic things you know and predictability,
And because I think a lot of the stories you
have that you have to say they're not honest, you

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know a lot of them now because too many people
know too much, right, So you have to go into
these stories now almost looking for ways to discount them,
not because you don't believe in it, but just because
there's a lot of people just making stuff up. But
but I think the things I look for is legitimate
fear that's still psychologically effected, because you've got to be

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a pretty good actor to pretend you're afraid. If you're
still having fear and your voice is cracking and you
you're nervous, and you and you can't you need to
take a pause and a break. Those are things you
have to learn to do as an actor to pull off.
And most people aren't actors. So I look for I
look for stories that were the legitimate fear around the

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storyteller or the encounter teller, and then I look that
they did strange stuff, and those are that's the one
that comes to me. I really liked when I saw
on I heard on Wes this show about who is
the Star Wars character that was a Sasquatch type figure

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OCAs Chewbacca. There was one called Chewbacca Man. This this
boy made a relationship with what he called Chewbacco Man,
and it was a bigfoot and he brought his friend
down to see him, and the whole story was told
from the standpoint of his friend, and it was just
fascinating and scary and and tried to give him chuck.

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It was it was just the coolest story, and that
that kind of stuff just wouldn't you just wouldn't be
able to make it up like as good as it
came out. And that's what I was just going to
ask you.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Were most of the encounters that you've heard about more
of a scary or terrifying experience as opposed to something
that just elicits more of wonder or is even more
of a benevolent experience.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's just because of the nature of the human being
and the nature of the encounter being so sudden and
out of nowhere for most people didn't know anything about
it going in. That's another thing I look for if
they were big bigfoot fans going into the encounter, I
start to discount it a little bit. Not that they're

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lying necessarily, but you know, what are the chances. I mean,
I've been out a lot, I've never seen one, and
I've hunted, I've done. What are the chances that you
could also be a big proponent of bigfoot and see one.
I think it's pretty rare. But anyway, regardless, I think

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most people coming from normal situations where they're suddenly faced
with this creature that they've never seen before, and it's
pretty opposing, imposing, I think they're going to be scared.
So most of the time it's fear. If they're caught,
If they're used to it and it's common to them

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and it's not something brand new, there's more likelihood that
it might not be based on fear. I've seen stories
where they came in people's houses and they fed them
cookies that may or may not be true. I don't know,
you know, I've seen stories where they they communicated with
each other in some way that may or may not
be true. I don't discount it, but most of them

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are people are afraid, they don't know what to do,
and a lot of times I think the bigfoot becomes
the victim of that because they don't know what to
do and they communicate in some way and then they
wind up getting shot. And so the ones that I've
heard of being killed, sometimes I think the person was

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probably in danger and needed to shoot them. But more
often than that, I think the person miss misinterpreted cues
because they were in a situation, they were afraid, and
they maybe killed them unnecessarily or shot at them unnecessarily.
So I have a lot of respect for the animals,
but they can be very dangerous, just like any animal,

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and I think they often we only hear the stories,
remember of the ones who return. We never hear the
stories of the ones who don't return, and I'm sure
there's a lot of those stories that we will never hear,
and they were probably not the most pleasant story.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Now you just called them animals, Do you think that
they are just flesh and blood hominids, Because there's so
much high strangeness surrounding encounters with these, especially the ones
that I've heard and that I've put into my documentary
with one of my primary witnesses his name in Scott Pace.
There's everything from these creatures being able to cloak and disappear,

(18:53):
possibly have a connection to UFOs and as well as
psychic communication at times. So there is something going on
with a consciousness connection, at least with some of these creatures, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I think it goes back to what I think. The
Bigfoot is a small microcosm of what our place is
in this universe, and we've, for some reason, our government
wants to cover that up. They've done it so much.
I don't believe them anymore, even when they try not to, right,

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because they just lie. They lie about everything. And so
I think though, that we live in a massively large universe,
that we're a very small planet in a very small
solar system of a relatively small galaxy, amongst billions of galaxies,
trillions of stars and trillions of planets, and somehow we're

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not the only things that are alive in this universe.
I think it's very possible, if you have to push
me say it is, there isn't if I had to
do that, And I don't know, so I can't say
for sure, but I would say that it's possible. These
things aren't. They aren't from here. I think somehow they've

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been either dropped off here or what is it when
you put someone out on an island and you make
them stay out there, what's the worst vanished?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Exiled?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yes, exiled here, maybe some other alien culture, shaid I
have had enough of these things. They're off of our
planet right now. I don't know what it is, but
you know how with Superman he has super strength here,
but in his own planets he didn't have super strength
because the Krypton helped keep him from having being too strong.

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I wonder sometimes because these things do things that you
shouldn't be able to do. They physiologically do things that
you shouldn't be able to do, including jumping, running, moving,
Their movements don't seem right. Something's just not earthly. When
when the people report what they've seen, believable reports from
real people that are believable people. And I think it

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might be that they just were their DNA and their
their physical physical abilities were developed with in areas where
the gravity was stronger, and and now they're on here,
and two of them they can jump a mile and
they can run super fast because they have less restraints

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than they than their their evolution built into them. So
I wonder if that's possible. I also think that the
world is a lot stranger than we wanted to believe.
We don't live in a materialistic world. We live in
a conceptual, immaterialistic, spiritual place. And science is beginning to
catch up in spite of the scientists. And we got

(22:02):
to stop thinking we have this all figured out, because
we do not. And there are things going on in
this world that don't make sense, and we can't keep
hiding from him, and the government has to quit hiding
us from it, or for whatever reason, they have to
stop doing it. Is grow up and be adults. And
there's things I think that there are quantum physics. These

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things might have some quantum things. They might they there
might be portals. I discounted that for a long time,
but there might be, and I'm seeing some evidence that
there are. Would people just disappear they know where they
are now, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm going to briefly just run through some of the
experiences that the witness that I feature in my documentary
Scott Pace, which I really encourage you to go to
watch I can. I'll actually I'll send you a screener
after so you can take a look. Because his experiences
are absolutely incredible. They're the most incredible that I've heard

(22:59):
from anybody who's had these types of experiences.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
He lives in South Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
It all started out with him witnessing a bigfoot, and
not only a bigfoot, a dog man within the same radius,
so a were wolf like creature, and they both started
psychically communicating because the were wolf creature was threatened and
was threatening him to come over to the deer blind
where he was and tear him apart. The bigfoot, in turn,

(23:25):
was trying to diffuse the situation, saying that he wasn't
that he was mentally speaking with the dog man teleopathically
saying that no, this guy's not trying to hurt us,
he's just looking at us. And it was an incredible
situation that terrified him.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So he took off.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Running out of the deer blind, and he said that
he looked back and sense that there were more of
these creatures following him out. Well after that experience, he
became more curious, of course, about the whole phenomena, and
he started seeing more of these things. They started actually
coming into his house at night, peeking in his windows,
and he eventually started having psychic communication in the in

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the swamp lands with these creatures. And like I said,
he believes this and he is just your normal every day.
He didn't know anything about this phenomenon before. He's not
looking for any attention. Hear it, and he's he's had
these but they eventually they eventually turned into what you
would understands contact or alien abduction experiences where he'd have
missing time and the next day he'd have memories of

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being escorted through catacomb like chambers with great extraterrestrials, mantis
looking beings, and a bigfoot accompanying them somehow, So his
experience has evolved. They continue to evolve more to a
more of an extraterrestrial nature as he as he gets
more involved in this, and it's incredible and I just

(24:51):
would love to get your insights further into that whole
extraterrestrial connection.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, I think that's I think that's where the answers are.
And when one we understand with better degree of ability
what's really going on out there, we will everything will
make sense about Bigfoot. Then we'll go, oh, geez, you

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know what you have those moments, Oh wow, that makes sense,
And it's like when you're you know, you're reading. You
read the end of a book and you go, how
did that happen? You know, you read the beginning and
the end, you go, how did that happen? And it
just doesn't seem real. But then you read the rest
of the book, and all of a sudden you see
all the points that connect. I think that's going to happen.

(25:40):
I think we're we might be close to it. It
might just be more distraction and fakery to keep us
off tracks. I honestly don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
What do you think about the possibility that instead of
off planet, that these beings are more of an interdimensional nature,
or they are from here, just in a different frequency
or density to where we cannot perceive that, or they
can fade in and out of our perception at any time.
But these beings may have originated here, along with other

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types of extraterrestrials that may not necessarily be coming from space,
but from different types of dimensional realms here on what
we consider Earth.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
What could be I think that dimensionality for a physical object,
there's there got to be some density. Even with quantum
physics and the measurement problem and all of that, there's
still some degree of the physical existence. It's dense. There's

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a density about physical objects that complicates the idea of measurement.
We know photons do what you think they're going to
do when you see them doing it. We know that
that's a reality, and that photons can change certain realities
by just by observing them, by measuring them. It's the

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measurement effect. And there's some implications to our physical reality
that are affected by measurement, by attitudes, and things we
believe are going to be true they tend to happen,
and things we believe aren't going to happen tend not
to happen. So that we do have some some measurable
we can collapse reality to some degree into things we

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want it to be. But I think ultimately our physical
reality is pretty dense. So the think of coming in
and out of existence because we want to come in
and out of existence, I'm not sure if that's possible.
I know we're not doing it right. It's maybe an
object could do it well.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
I believe that our each and ancestors most likely had
these abilities and capabilities of this. It's just we've been
so dampered by everything that we're exposed to you know.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, I think that we used to be more telepathic.
We use to have to be telepathic, and we used
to also have to be sense seeing things around us,
just telepathically and not by our hearing them or seeing
them or touching them. Because the threats were graver, you

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didn't have a lot of time. Now we have tools,
and we have fire, and we have lights, and we
have all these things that we're dependent on in computers,
and we stop depending on the things we probably organically
dependent on when we were older or of newer. Maybe
there is a way to say it so, And I

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think we used to communicate telepathically more with each other
and with just like these animals do. And these animals
clearly do so, But I don't know. I tend to
think more along the lines of the portals, yeah, and
going in and out of different realities via portals, which
is pretty consistent with intent and understanding quantum physics. There

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could be it's it's at least theoretically possible for you
to step into a portal in one galaxy and end
in a portal in another galaxy, because based on the
measurement problem and understanding entanglements, I don't know if you
can do it or not.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't think we can do it, but it's possible.
Other cultures and other aliens have been able to do
it and take advantage of it. And maybe these are
an aspect of that. Yeah, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, and earlier you mentioned there is most likely a
cover up of these beings. I believe that government and
from our three letter agencies, I believe that they very
well know are aware of Bigfoot in some of these
cryptid creatures. And there's some that speculate that there is

(29:51):
a branch somewhat like a big footman in black that
focuses on sightings and areas where these these creatures seem
to frequent and be frequently spotted, and there seems to
be a cover up of some sort. I've heard witnesses
that talk about two men or two officers or agents

(30:13):
going visit their home after a siding and trying to
get them to believe that they saw a bear or
not to talk about.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
The event, or something like that. If you heard any
stories like.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
These, Oh, there's elements of that in my book, So
read chapter thirty. Yes, it is part of that. That'll
be what helps us with a sequel. So yeah, I
believe that. I just like I said, I think they're
covering up a lot. I think that power corrupts, and

(30:47):
absolute power corrupts absolutely, and our government is way too big,
too honestly serve the people, and now we're become a
servant of them instead of vice versa, and to do
and for whatever reason they're covering up, even if it's
just to protect us from things we have no control over,

(31:07):
and why be afraid of something you can't control, I
can kind of see that if the government's doing that.
But by this time now it's time to get over
the charade. We're adult people. Tell us the truth. If
we need to stay out of the forest or be
more careful in the forest, why not tell us? And

(31:28):
unless it threatens their capacity to rule, which is also
possible now. I don't think it's the lumberjacks. I don't
think it's saving the trees. I don't think they can
give a crap about the trees. Okay, I don't think
they care about it.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
If we're talking about these ability.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Troy industries overnight and they don't seem to care. They
can destroy industries and they don't seem to care, But
why do they care about them? I think it's other
things related to their own power. It is.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's yeah, I believe you. I think that that's exactly
what it is. If there's implications of consciousness abilities or
understanding of how to manipulate energy in any ways, there's
free energy implications there and.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Want and I think there's a lot to do that.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, so there's some implications for that as well as
far as evidence, as far as physical evidence, do you
think that that could be a reason why we're not
able to collect that much physical evidence, is because it's
being covered up? Or have you heard of more types
of physical evidence besides just the footprints. Have you heard
of big foot poop or more types of hair being found?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Well, I'll give you I'll give you an example. My
brother and I in that area where the book was written,
we went out just went out to the lumber road
one day. He took me out and there was this
lumber road that went connected from the highway and it
was it was it was arranged, not arranged, but it existed.

(32:59):
In a normal game trail there there's a place for
the game to cross from one side of the highway
to the other side of the highway, and then there's
a trail up into the lumber area for them to
use if they wanted to. And it was in close
proximity to the power lines which I often mentioned in
the book. And so we got out and we looked around.

(33:21):
The first thing I saw was a broken branch. It
was about twelve feet high. We took measurements of it
and everything twelve feet high, and it was just cracked.
And there's no snow there. It's not from snow wade
or it's not that much wind, and it was just
broken like a toothpick broken. And about the top fourth

(33:42):
of it, or maybe a top eighth of it was
just broken, and it was facing downward. And I looked
at that. I said, well, that's unusual. But if I
had not read all the stories that I've read and
listened to all the people, I wouldn't even have acknowledged
that would have meant nothing to me. Okay, but what
it was was at least possible evidence. Then I found

(34:05):
some scat on the ground that was pretty big. It
wasn't a bear, and if it was a human, it
was a big human. And my brother said, oh, it's
just some squatter. I mean he was it was a
pun but it was also true because there's a lot
there's some squatters in that area. But I looked at
it and I said, well, it's kind of big for

(34:26):
a person. So but I took pictures of it. And
that was the second thing. And then I started thinking, Okay,
so this is if this thing is here, I want
to see I want to find where it would have walked.
And lo and behold, I found a track. It wasn't
a track as good as some of the tracks because
it was fairly dry ground. It was hard ground, but

(34:49):
I saw something that looked like a scuff mark that
was pretty long. And then I started looking, well, I
don't see any marks before it, so it must have
come in off of off of the woodline, onto the trail,
onto the road. So I started looking and I found
a place where it would have stepped to get on
the thing. And then further ahead I found more scuff marks,

(35:11):
which means that it was about five five feet in
between steps. And we measured the scuff marks with our
feet and it was about you know, it was probably
a fifty sixteen seventeen foot foot. It was a big,
big foot, much bigger than ours. So I think there's

(35:35):
there's at least possibility that this was evidence, that this
was all circumstantial evidence for the existence of these things.
If that thing was broken for a reason, why be
the natural place to break a tree would be to
mark a game trail to degerstating, go to where you
see the broken tree and wait for a deer to
run across, right this, So I thought, maybe that's it.

(35:57):
Now this is I can't prove this. If I if
I had to throw some money on a table and
make a bet, you know, I would probably say, yes,
there's something to it, but it's just circumstantial evidence. But
I would not have even have noticed it. Have I
not been aware of what's in the different reports? And

(36:19):
most people miss it because they don't know what they're
looking for. And they often say, well, I've never seen one,
but I bet you they've seen them, right, And they
didn't even know they were looking at them because they
don't even know what to look for. And so I
think if I was out in the woods enough, and
I'm not I'm not a hunter, and i'm not a
lumber person, and I'm not a National forest person. But

(36:43):
if I was, I would see one because I would
know what to look for. I might not see it great,
I might not see it long, but I bet you
eventually i'd catch my something. But I'm just not I
don't have time to do all that.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
So in your research, did you ever come across a
story where there were not just bigfoots, but other type
of cryptid creatures in proximity or involved in the story.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well, I've heard the stories of them. I've heard them
where Bigfoot protected somebody from a dog man. I think
dog man or my sense is that there's some demonic
nature to that. Okay, I can't prove it, but I
did do a little research and I looked where the

(37:33):
dog man occurrences occur, and they tend to occur in
rural or even city in cities. Well, the big You
never see bigfoot in cities, very very very rare, and
it would only be in a suburb on the edge
of a forest. Okay, and even then it's going to

(37:54):
be super rare. But you see these often in areas
where you would never see a bigfoot, So they obviously
don't need the forest to hide. I think bigfoot uses
the forest for the purpose of protecting their ability to
blend in and it's a protection for them. But I

(38:16):
don't think these things do and I they show up
in unusual places and then they scare. They they tend
to do it for the purpose of making people afraid.
They're very threatening. Sometimes the Bigfoot are two. So I'm
not saying they don't, but I think it seems like

(38:36):
that's the purpose of these things. So and for a
long time I discounted them because I felt like they
were delegitimizing the thing I'd been fighting for for years,
which was legitimizing.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I was there with you for a while too, and I.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Said, why are you bringing these things up? I mean,
don't we have enough problems with this thing? But now
I've kind of there's a same situation. There must be
something going on. So I don't discount it, and I
don't fight against it. But in my limited study of
the subject, I think it's probably demonic, or it's it's

(39:11):
possibly maybe I should say possibly demonic.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Now let's get into the spiritual possibilities with these creatures.
I to believe that there is a nefarious nature to
the dog Man, although I've heard of just a couple
of stories where it was not necessarily a malevolent encounter,
just a curious, curious encounter. But most of the stories
I've heard dog Man is not a good.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Character to come across.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
But big on the other hand, I have heard many
more stories of positive experiences than negative experiences. And I
have heard plenty of negative experience terrifying experiences with Bigfoot,
but I'm starting to hear more of the positive experiences
as I have more witnesses and experiencers on. It's about

(39:58):
almost half and half now as far as the ones
that have had positive experiences, These experiences have changed these
people's life for the better in incredible ways. And this
is almost across the board with people who have had
these positive experiences, and even with the witness Scott Pace,

(40:18):
he says his psychic communication with these beings is very benevolent.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
They seem to be teaching him.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I've had a guest on that was talking about Native
American lord that calls these creatures the Sabe and in
their legend, they send out their young warriors into the
wilderness to become a man basically, and they have this
spiritual vision quest while they're out there, and they're supposed
to encounter these Bigfoot creatures who give them spiritual guidance

(40:48):
and help them to achieve their accomplishment of becoming a
man and send them back to the village. And I
think that there is a very spiritual nature about these beings.
And I've heard a lot of people who have had,
like I said, very incredible spiritual encounters where it seems
like it's enhancing or giving them some sort of information

(41:10):
that upgrades their spiritual evolution in a way.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
What do you think about that.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I think that the experiences from the tribe to tribe
with the natives are different. Some of them they see
them as a demonic type figure. Some of them see
them like you've mentioned there, some of them just see
them as people from a different tribe that we don't understand,

(41:39):
or that we're just separate. We leave them alone, they
leave us alone. So it varies as much between native
tribes as these things as it does with us, with
our experiences with them. And I think it's very possible
that there's more than one kind. And it's also possible,
just like with people, that some of them are bad

(42:03):
and unkind and maybe malevolent, and some of them are
just normal creatures trying to make it through life and
not necessarily trying to cause any pretty problems. But when
we do come into conflict and they have hunger needs
and we have food or our food, we might become

(42:25):
the victim of that.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
So if you think about it, just like groups of
different groups of people, some of us have concern over
what some other groups of people are even lesser life forms.
If you look at the way we treat animals, some
of us don't care, some of us want to experiment
on the animals, some of us want to help save
the animals. So it could be the same with these creatures.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Today. It's much more dangerous running into a person in
the woods than and so not to say I want
to run into a bigfoot, but I would. I would
be more scared of a human with a gun than
a bigfoot, you know, so especially if I wasn't armed.

(43:07):
In fact, if I had to not be armed and
it wasn't a hunter, I would rather run into the
bigfoot than the person with the gun.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
M Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So, but that's just because of all the crazy stuff
going on with drugs and everything.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
There's been a lot happening in our mainstream revelations about
extraterrestrials and UFOs, which I don't trust. I don't trust
anything our government or the mainstream media is telling us
about this. I believe that they're not some sort of
psychological operation behind it. But what do you think do
you think that there is connection to what could be

(43:45):
UFOs and what they are actually telling us.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Well, if let's just ask this. If they found they
said they found twelve twelve saucers and have re engineered,
and they talk about all that, what's the question that's begging,
that's just screaming from the rooftops that they aren't saying

(44:10):
that is who made them? That there's people, there's aliens,
there's some kind of creatures out there that have the
capacity of traveling thousands and millions and billions of miles
and being on this planet. However they're able to do it.
That's a big story that should be still, that should
be just going all through the media. The media has

(44:30):
just shut up about it. They there, they lie there,
They never tell the truth. Nothing they say is honest.
In my opinion, I'm sorry if I'm offending anybody, but
I do not trust anything they do or say anymore.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
No, this is the great, the right place to have
that viewpoint.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
So I'm telling you I'm done. I'm done with it.
That should be that should still be headline news from
two weeks ago. The guy comes forward and says, we
have saucers that were created by another culture off planet. Okay, really,
so can we talk about that culture now? All we're
going to do is focus on the saucer that we've
re engineered. If there's other cultures that are more powerful

(45:09):
than us, that affect us, that affects us, whether we
want it to or not, we should know. Common sense
would require how can people not ask those questions? What
is wrong with us? Well?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, it does seem like if this is not just
some sort of new psychological operation from the government to
roll out new toys or cause a fake alien invasion,
it seems like people would be raising more questions about
these events and some of the whistleblowers that have come
out with this information lately.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Right, Yeah, Some of it might just be that we're
so used to it from watching sci fi on television
that it's not a surprise to us. Oh yeah, tell
us something new. But think about the implications. What do
we know about these creatures that seem to have power
over us? You'd think you'd want to know that. I
would kind of like to know that. That would would

(46:04):
if they're gonna come and take my wife and you know,
make me so I can't work, you know, I'd like
to know, you know that. There's just I just don't
understand how those questions aren't just driving the news, but
the news I don't trust anymore. It's nothing but propaganda.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Now now I want to go back to Bigfoot. For
the last few minutes we have, there have been a
lot of researchers that have been delving into different types
or initiating different types of possible communication with these creatures
what you'd call gifting, communicating in different ways with different means.

(46:43):
Even by gifting different types of foods or artwork to
these creatures, some have had results where the creatures will
communicate back with them. What should be the techniques that
we're using to go and try and initiate some sort
of contact or to find out more about these creatures.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I don't know. I'd be reticent to feed them. I
think they are wild animals or at least should be
approached like that. I think that I kind of admire
people who try to communicate with them by talking or

(47:28):
by through meditation or teleopathic ways. I think our likelihood
of doing succeeding with that is greater than finding one.
You're not going to catch one. You know, you don't
want to kill one. I mean, I would never want
to kill one unless they were trying to kill me.

(47:51):
So that's probably a greater chance of a breakthrough with that,
as long as you're safe and you're not putting yourself
in stilly harm, you know. But I really think the
ultimate answer is finding out what's going on in space,
who we are with regard to what everything else in

(48:15):
reality is, where we fit and what really is going
on out there, and then I think the bigfoot thing
will kind of fall into place. So I think it's
the wrong search to just run around in the woods
and look for them. Not that I'm against people doing that.
It's an interesting thing to do, but I don't think

(48:36):
that's going to solve this mystery.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Now, there are other connections besides with just extraterrestrials and
these bigfoot, homited beings, encrypted beings. There seems to be
a connection with the paranormal in general, with what we
consider hauntings and spirit contact. If you look at I
mean I use this as an example as often, but
places like Skinwalker Ranch, places like the Meadow where they

(49:03):
have high concentration of not only cryptid being sightings and UFOs,
but also strange unexplained paranormal activity, there does seem to
be a connection with what we understand is hauntings or
ghosts and even extra terrestrials. And there have been attempts
lately to scientifically find out what is going on at

(49:25):
places like Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
But what I was talking with someone.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
About this the other day, what I find the most
interesting about that is the scientific approach tends to have
very negative results, and it tends to interact very very negatively,
sometimes even aggressively if not approached in the right manner,
if not approached respectively respectfully, and it doesn't seem to

(49:52):
respond well to scientific approaches. On the other hand, I
have different researchers that are approaching some of this phenomenon
like what's occurring at skin Marker Ranch and even UFOs
in general, with a more spiritual attitude and a more
spiritual approach and using techniques like rituals or magic. They
are getting a more positive result and not necessarily finding

(50:15):
out what's behind the phenomenon, but a more positive interaction
with it, which tells me it really doesn't want us
to know scientifically what's going on behind this?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
What do you think about it?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Or well, when we see paranormal, we're just saying beyond normal.
If we've been raised since the Enlightenment that everything is
is what you see, taste, touch, smell, and hear, that
we're materialistic objects in a materialistic universe with nothing else,

(50:48):
then you are going to resist any effort to say no.
To understand reality properly, you have to understand it in
an immaterial way, in a spiritual way, and science has
been bogged down in trying to understand it purely in
a materialistic way and define itself as purely materialistic. And

(51:10):
that's why we're not having the breakthroughs we should be
having and could be having. If we started looking at
it as energy, as immaterial and possibilities, the spiritual possibilities,
and started looking toward those things, we're going to have

(51:30):
more success. And we're not going to have it by
the same old, same old and protecting our turf and
not being willing to look beyond the material world to
explain the material world, the material world is the product
of the spiritual world, not vice versa. And we're stuck
right now in a world that says consciousness is a

(51:53):
product of the brain. It is not a product of
the brain. The brain is the product of consciousness existed
before our brain, and we're going to exist after our brain.
We are spiritual first and material second, and even the
material that we are are spiritual. It's it's connected all

(52:13):
together by spiritual forces. So I think that to resolve
any of these issues, we have to be willing to
look at that aspect that immaterial solutions, immaterial basis of material. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I think that's another reason for the cover up is
because these it is, these entities don't want us to
know who we are, the powers that we truly have,
where we come from, the energy that surrounds us at
all time, that can be used to fuel anything, to
power anything, to get us anywhere, and it binds everything

(52:50):
in our reality together. And if we understood that, we'd
have no more use for military industrial complex, Daddy government
and everything that holds control over us.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah. It may also be because there we're being harvested.
I mean, I don't want to think it's all good.
They could be harvesting us and ignorance is their tool.
I don't know, And maybe the government is protecting us
from knowledge that we're being harvested and they can't do
anything about it because there's too many people are just

(53:21):
disappearing out of nowhere. There's in Texas. There's just so
many people that just disappear and no one ever finds them.
And how I mean, some of that's nefarious criminal activity,
but all of it.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
That also leads to the possibility that this whole reality
is some sort of alien experiment, that we're just like
cattle for these beings.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
It might be, it might not be. It just I
don't know. I would just like to know whether I
can do anything about it or not. I would kind
of like to know, And I tend to hope. I
know in the long run, I oh that everything's created
by God and that He's in control somehow in all

(54:05):
of it. I don't know all the timing of that
and how much trouble and suffering is going to be
required in the eventual solution. So from a standpoint of spirituality,
I believe that we're in the long run fine, and
God's will will be done. But in the short run,

(54:26):
it could be some nightmares and these things may or
may not be or some of them may be pretty malevolent,
and some of them may be benevolent. We don't know,
but it would be nice to know.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
So that's all, Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
And I think that with the amount of people that
are becoming curious about reality and looking into this phenomenon more,
it won't matter within a short period of time what
our government and the military intustrial complex is hiding from us.
We'll be able to uncover the secrets of the universe eventually,

(55:03):
And that's my hopes as long as we remain as
curious as we are. And I see that there is
an awakening occurring that gives me hope for that.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, I hope it is too. And I'm tending I
tend to be positive about the future, even though I'm
very disappointed and angry about the present. Yeah, but I
do feel like it might be leading somewhere, and it
might be exposing some things that have been going on

(55:32):
a long time, like the pharmaceutical industry and the military
industrial complex and the food industry. I mean, there's a
lot of just corruption where too many people or too
few people have too much power and that's not a
good recipe. So and maybe that's finally getting exposed, I hope.

(55:56):
So maybe we have to blow up ourselves one more
time and start override on me.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Well, we wonder why these creatures don't want to make
contact with us?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Right? Yeah? I put a funny joke up on Instagram
and the aliens said now it showed them going toward
the Earth and one of them said to the other, now,
remember don't make eye contact. Yeah that's hilarious. So yeah,
who knows, I'd trure like to know.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Though, Well, Tim, this was great. We're gonna definitely have
to do this again. There's much more we can discuss.
Is there anything that you have coming down the pipeline
that you'd like to give a teaser about or anything
else you're working on.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Well, I'm in all the research mode right now. It'd
be great if I could have the second one done
by Christmas, but it's in the research mode right now.
So I want to say too much. But once I
get writing, I know how to do it all faster now. Yeah,
So it just I had to go through it once,
but now I kind of know what I'm doing and

(56:56):
how to do it quicker and get results quicker. So
if I could have something at least in a rough
form by Christmas, I could probably have it out by February.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Excellent.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Now I have the links to your book right in
the description Tomato Fields. But if the audience wants to
find it and they don't have an ability to click
right now, where can they find your book?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Just real simple, throw in a Google search, Tim, Moon
tomato fields and it's moon and it's like in the
sky and tomato and fields just like it sounds. So
you can do that. You can also, I'll send you
all my contact information if I haven't done it already,
h I've.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Got it there.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
I'll have it in the description, so they'll have all
that accessible.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
There's a lot of activity on Instagram. It's by far
the most effective social media I've come across, so there's
a lot of common interest there on paranormal stuff. So
I talk, I communicate a lot with people on that,
so they're free to contact me there or email me

(58:04):
whatever they're comfortable with. So I'll make sure that you
have all that.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Excellent, Tim, thank you once again, we'll do this again.
Thank you, and until next time, I'd love to. Yes,
it was great. Until next time, everyone, have an excellent
evening today. I want to welcome back to the show
Corey Hughes. He is an author, researcher, and host of
Bloody History, Understanding Propaganda and co host of Day Zero. Corey,

(58:30):
welcome back.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
How you doing excellent? Good to be back.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Yeah, it's great to have you.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
And you're putting the finishing touches on your book right now.
A Warning from History and this provides one of the
most in depth analysis not only of the events surrounding
the assassination of JFK, but even identification of some of
the most critical players involved. And you've been coming on
periodically and sharing pieces of the puzzle, breaking down the

(58:58):
event that really paved the way for what we now
know as a new World order.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
And I'm not.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Sure exactly where we left off last time, But where
should we begin with this today?

Speaker 6 (59:08):
Well, let me just give you a little bit of
I'll give you a little background in history on how
the book actually came along. I've actually been working on
the writing of the book for well. I wrote about
two chapters when you and I were living in Denver
about two years ago. But then I didn't write anything
else until March of last year, and so it's been

(59:31):
as it's been as NonStop as I could possibly make it,
because when you write a book, you have to go
back and you might know it all in your head,
but you have to go back and you have to
double check your research. You have to double check and
pull your references. You have to do a lot of
stuff that causes you to spend more time researching again
stuff you've already done than actually writing words on paper.

(59:52):
So that's been a very frustrating part for me, because
you think you have it in your head and you
can just oh, I can just go and write it
all out. No, there's so much too that you have
to actually go back and you have to double check yourself.
And there's been a lot of times when I'm like, well,
how do I know this? I know that I know this,
but how do I know this? And so then I'll
have to go back and I'll re research how I
know something. Right. So it's been a long process, but

(01:00:15):
in doing it the way I have, the book has
kind of written itself. It kind of went in its
own directions. When I sat down, I started to write
a book on I wanted to be the definitive book
on everything, and then I realized it's not possible. I mean,
you would have fifteen to twenty thousand pages on print
if you were to write a book that had everything right.

(01:00:35):
So you really need an encyclopedia for that. So then
I started to focus just on the shooters, and then
in doing that, I had to prove how I know
these were the shooters, and then from that it shows
the relationships back to all the key people because obviously
this is the largest conspiracy ever and that all of
these various paths from the shooters, reverse engineered, all merge

(01:00:56):
at a specific point, right. So that's one theme of
the book, And the other theme of the book is
showing that Oswald is mostly a construct. He is mostly
a figment of someone's imagination. Where they took a real
person who was working for intelligence who had defected to
the Soviet Union, probably under a program called Redskin. There

(01:01:20):
was a number of programs stretching from nineteen fifty five
through the assassination in nineteen sixty three. For the most part,
a lot of these programs came to an end. These
programs to try to get a spy into the Soviet Union.
They took a number of different paths. Right, Obviously Oswald
was a false effector they had other programs that would
involve legal travel. They would have other people who were

(01:01:42):
former residents of Lithuania and Latvia and some of these Estonia,
some of the Baltic regions. They would have people who
grew up there who left became American citizens. They would
have them go back to these countries and act as spies. Right,
So when you study this the Redskin program, you'll find
there's really a series of programs between fifty five and

(01:02:03):
sixty three that cover their attempts at getting spies into
the Soviet Union. And really it fell under about a
dozen different programs, AE Balcony, A Root, There were a
whole bunch of them, and so this came to a
screeching halt by the time of the assassination. It seems
like they started to wind this stuff down at the

(01:02:23):
end of June nineteen sixty two, and then what happened
a week later. A week later, after they wind down
these AE Balcony related programs and A Root related programs
and Redskin projects, one week after they end the program,
Oswald comes back from the Soviet Union. Right, So the
timing of his coming back coincides with the ending of
these programs. And when you come to understand the nature

(01:02:47):
of these programs and how in depth they were and
what they were doing, they were tracking US citizens who
were going to these countries. Right, So if you lived
in America and you travel to these countries, they knew
who you were and they were keeping tabs on you
under the guise of these what I would call redskin projects.
So the idea that Oswald would be able to go

(01:03:08):
there defect then and he wouldn't be under their watchful
eye going back till you know, nineteen fifty nine when
he got into the Marines and these programs were obviously
going on. It seems like he was groomed from day
one to be specifically a part of this redskin program.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Well, when you say Oswald, are you talking about the original,
the root Oswald? Okay, because I know there's plenty of
doubles that have come after.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Here's the problem. There probably is no root Oswald. There
probably isn't. And really, to come in on that, we
have alleged birth certificates saying he was born to Marguerite Oswald,
and Robert Lee Oswald. But there's only one picture has
ever shown up of Robert Lee Oswald, and he looks
almost identical to an FBI agent in Dallas named j.

(01:03:54):
Walton Moore. So it's really weird. I don't understand how
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Which Oswald is the most the most famous phase that
we all recognize, the one that we both have on
our T shirt, that we see mostly featured in the
mainstream media.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Is that the root the real Oswald?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
You think?

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Definitely not so from what I can tell, the original
real Oswald born to the original Marguerite Oswald, who had
a brother, Robert Oswald, who had a half brother named John.
Pick this person up through the age of twelve is

(01:04:31):
pretty standard. But once you get to the age of twelve,
you'll start to find duplicate records of Oswald having been
in different schools when like, for example, he went to
PS forty four in Manhattan. That is confirmed. He went
to PS forty four in Manhattan, and it was called
PS forty four because it was the forty fourth school

(01:04:51):
in that Manhattan district. Okay, there are teachers there who
knew him there. However, at some point in time the
record was obfuscated, and he then all of a sudden
appeared at PS forty four in another borough. I think
it was in Queens. So when you study the official record,
it says that he was at Queen's PS forty four,

(01:05:13):
but that's not but the other PS forty four is
where he really went to school. Right, So these kind
of shenanigans go back to the time Oswald was twelve
up in New York. They continue when he comes back
to New Orleans where when he goes to middle school
in the nineteen fifty four school year, he allegedly goes

(01:05:33):
to Beauregard, and we have eyewitnesses that knew him at Beauregard,
friends that knew him at Beauregard. We have well documented
in the official story that he went to Beauregard. However,
while he was going to Beauregard, there was a Lee
Harvey Oswald who went with a mother named Marguerite Oswald,
who went to Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth, Okay.

(01:05:56):
So we have the school. We have acknowledgment from the
vice principal of the school who handed the records off
of the FBI that yes, he saw with his own
eyes the records that Lee Harvey Oswell went to stripling
during the first six weeks of that school year, but
at the exact same time he was enrolled and never
missed the class while he was at Boreguard in New Orleans. Right,

(01:06:19):
So we have these like duplicate records starting in New
York continuing to New Orleans, showing that way before the assassination,
way before he was even in the Marines, there was
some kind of program designed to keep and maintain a
person under a two people under one identity, right now,

(01:06:41):
why would you want to do that? Why would you
have two people under one identity? Well, John Armstrong's theory
on this is that part of these programs that were
going on at this time, these a rout and a
balcony type programs, that they were trying to get a
spy in the Soviet Union, And however they were using

(01:07:01):
a child who had been plucked from an Eastern Bloc
country who spoke fluent Russian. Right, So, imagine you have
another child around twelve years old, you bring him to America,
he speaks both fluent Russian and fluent English, and you
raise him under the name of a child who already
exists all right, Then when you get to the Marines,

(01:07:27):
there is clear evidence that there's the same shenanigans going on.
Duplicate records of Oswald having been at the language school
in Monterey as having been in certain marine squadrons, but
then duplicate information about Oswald having been in other marine
squadrons and other classes at Monterey.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
So there's there's evidence that there were two Lee Harvey
Oswald's even in the Marines. Now, if you're talking now,
who's pulling one over on the Marines? Nobody? This is
an intelligence operation. To me, it's clearly an intelligence operation.
And then you have Lee Harvey Oswald eventually defect to
the Soviet Union. Right now, imagine this, They the original

(01:08:07):
child who they plucked from the Soviet Union or whom wherever,
who spoke the fluent Russian they now send back to
the Soviet Union as a spy. Right now. My theory
is that in a perfect world he would have just
disappeared into the Soviet Union somewhere, right and then the
Russians would have been like, where's Lee Harvey Oswald? And

(01:08:28):
then here in America they're like, what are you talking about?
We got Lee Harvey Oswald right here in America, while
the spy is out invisible because he's using a duplicate
identity in the Soviet Union.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
So that's my theory on what the plan was supposed
to be, but it didn't go that way.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
I want to ask you not to go off on
too much of a tangent here, but have you found
that it's been harder to find documentation and actually do
hard research into some of these topics surrounding the jfk
assassination and especially in the post COVID era.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Yes, yes, yes, for sure. So archive dot org, which
is what I used for most of my research for years,
is compromised. I don't know how else to put it.
When I first started, when I first started going there
five years ago or more, because I used it casually
before I started my hardcore research, it was easy. I

(01:09:27):
would put in a name of a subject like a
Na Kerrie Thornley or whatever, Jim Garrison. I'd put it
in there, and I would get a very good Google
algorithm based search of their site that would have all
the documents and all the stuff that it would come
up perfectly. Now it's virtually impossible to find stuff even
if I know where it is. I have to save
specific links of specific documents because if you try to

(01:09:48):
find them within their own search function, you can't. You
get drowned with nonsense. I've also found at newspapers dot com,
particularly when all the COVID stuff started, if you were
to search for COVID stuff, if you were to search
for like coronavirus stuff that was going back to the seventies,
right for the newspaper articles, what you would be. What

(01:10:09):
we would find is that you were drowned in clippings,
because you can go into newspapers dot com and cut clippings,
and then all those clippings become publicly available if you
allow them to be public available, and they would be
incorporated into search results. I found in the coronavirus stuff,
I would find hundreds of pages of clippings before it
ever even got to any of the original articles. So

(01:10:31):
there was an obvious intent to take the available search
engines out there that's you know, that are good for
one specific thing, and make them harder to use. Archive
dot Org is virtually impossible to use now, so I
just ended. What I ended up doing is I just
pulled the original batch documents from Garrison in Wisberg, and

(01:10:52):
I just pulled the original documents and keep them myself
and retitlement all that. But because trying to find them
is virtually it's become a needle in a haystacktor making
it harder intentionally to find this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I've spoken with a few guests over the past few
months that have similar theories about what's happening with these
search engines and the combination of this AI chat GPT
type technology, where it's just it's possibly being integrated with
the search engines to only bring up the information that

(01:11:26):
is approved by our authorities and government, and any other
type of research that goes against the agendas, that goes
against any type of narrative, that it won't show up
in the search engine.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
So I tell everybody when it comes to research, like
I only read certain particular books, like I try to
get the vast majority of my information direct from documents,
like forget about people's opinions, just go right to the
original root documents, and sorting through these documents has most

(01:12:00):
certainly become a lot harder. I will say that all
of the information that people need to come to conclusions,
especially in historical documents, like the ones that I deal with.
The answers are all there, it's just a matter of
being able to interpret it. Right. These documents are like

(01:12:21):
a three D puzzle, you know, and you can have
pieces in place and you can have big gaps. But
based on the positioning of certain pieces of the puzzle,
you can be like, oh, now that I understand this
relationship here, I can see what should fit over in
this piece over here that's missing. Right, And so that
the best way to really come to understand anything historically,

(01:12:45):
because all these things, all this stuff can be found
in genealogies. When you go through genealogies, you'll find relationships
between players in Kennedy that like you never thought would
be there, and that opens up whole new perspectives. Right,
So what I tell everybody is like the best the
best sources of information for any kind of research are
in the genealogy websites like like ancestry and all that stuff,

(01:13:10):
and wasarchive dot org and newspapers dot com. Newspapers dot
com is probably still the best because this is another
thing like a lot of people today they don't know
what to censor from fifty years ago, right, Like there
are certain big things that I can tell you. So
everyone freaks out over the Kennedy documents that are still withholding,

(01:13:31):
let me tell you this, The Kennedy documents they're withholding
are not a smoking gun for anything. They could give
you all of them, and most people would read them
and not have a goddamn clue what they are really
telling them. But I'll tell you what they're really telling them.
They're really telling them the story of a relationship between
Jack Valenti, David Morales, Charles the Blade Tourine, and a
guy named Harry Haller or Harry Hall. Those four personnel

(01:13:55):
records are the are the closest thing to smoking guns
that they're gonna find. I've looked at the list of
things that are withholding. All four of those things directly
connect to Jack Valenti's activities that were somewhat illicit. So
this guy, Harry Hall, who was a somewhat mob guy,
somewhat CIA guy. He was friends with Joe DiMaggio, and

(01:14:17):
there's an interesting story about him that he had told
one of his mob buddies that he was going to
be on TV because he was going to be at
the funeral of Marilyn Monroe, right, and they're like, yeah,
you're full of shit, right, So, and sure enough, at
the funeral of Marilyn Monroe, Harry hall shows up there

(01:14:38):
as a guest of Joe DiMaggio. Now, who's Harry Hall.
Harry hall is a fucking guy who was in tight
with all these Chicago guys. But he was such a lying,
scumbag grifter that what he did was he somehow he
got some letterhead from the White House with Jack Valente's

(01:15:00):
information on it, right, Jack Valente's printed letterhead from the
White House, and he used it to try to set
up a deal to buy some weapons and jeeps, some
sort of military surplus that he was trying to pull
some kind of scam and then like sell to Cuba
or something like that. Right, And so that led directly

(01:15:22):
to Jack Valente's aliases, right, one of the aliases Jack
Valenti used, I forget the last name, but was Pierre something, right,
And so then I find that Jack Valenti's letterhead is
connected to Harry Haller and Harry Haller was having this
deal with Pierre somebody, And I'm like, holy shit, Jack
Valenti and Harry Hall were involved in some kind of
scam while Jack Valenti was in the White House, unfucking believable. Right,

(01:15:45):
So all of the Harry Hall stuff is still withho
withheld in the Kennedy files. I wonder fucking why, because
it will show the relationship with Jack Valenti and that
whole incident, right, And so that'll out Jack Valenti is
not having been this saint that they made out to be.
Then you have the David Morales files. David Morales probably

(01:16:07):
the most hardcore, I mean, total shitbag human being, but
probably the most devastating. Like, like when you think hardcore
cia willing to do anything, kill anyone, kind of guy,
that was him. He was the epitome of the on
the ground, you know, mercenary thug. And he was on
the secret Service car with Jack Valenti when Jack Valenti
fled from Daly Plaza after shooting Kennedy from the grassy ole. Right.

(01:16:29):
So the David Morales files, which I pray to God,
there's at least like one hundred thousand pages of files
on him, I fucking would I hope there's that much
because I would love to get my hands on that.
But that, again will show the relationship with Jack Valenti.
Same thing with Charles the Blade Touring. He was a
hit man for the mob and I have found his

(01:16:51):
name associated with some of Jack Valenti's aliases. But that's
all the information I have on him. But then when
you look at the JFK files, a bunch of stuff
on Charles the Blade Toring is still withheld, you know.
So to me, all this stuff just connects back to
Jack Valenti. They did release some of the Charles the
Blade Touring files just recently this year. It is a
two or three that they dropped, but none of those

(01:17:11):
had any real significance, nor did they connect to Jack
valente But the stuff that's being withheld, Like I said,
the study of the assassination is the study of relationships.
It is not the study of how many bullets there
were in Daily Plaza. You know, it's irrelevant the stuff
that happened in Daily Plaza. Yes, there's a lot of
evidence here, information there, but you can really come to
figure out everything that happened there when you understand the

(01:17:34):
major players, their relationships with each other, who was, what, where, when, why?
All that stuff and the events of Daily Plaza will
fall into place. All you got to know is who
knew who, And that's the most important stuff, and that's
what these files will show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Valente is so interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I can't wait till we actually get to do a
full show on this guy. This is such an interesting cat.
And he seems to have his hands all over this
this event.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
He's got his hands all over so much, it's unreal
he was involved. So here's the weird thing. Like, he's
only in the White So he shoots Kennedy on the
grassy Hole. He ends up leaving in Air Force one
with Lyndon Johnson on the plane. He's in the photograph,
the famous photograph on Air Force one, and he goes
on to stay in the White House, where, in my opinion,

(01:18:24):
he was Johnson's boss. It was not the other way around.
He was most certainly the highest connected guy to all
the you know, quote unquote Illuminati types of the day,
you know, all the Israeli stuff, all the Hollywood people,
every freaking senator and congress person. Before he even made

(01:18:44):
it to the White House, he was so plugged in
it was unbelievable. And when you're really come to understand
who Valenti is, like, I feel that everything that everyone
knows about Valenti is like his wearing a social mask,
like the Valenti we see on TV as a construct.
When you go into his file, he dated a girl
who he ended up. They didn't get along or they

(01:19:05):
didn't stay together for very long because they were of
different religions, which I'm still trying to figure out, you know,
because I'm pretty confident Jack Valenti was Jewish. Joe Valenti,
there's a indication that his family was Jewish, right, So
I'm pretty sure Jack Valenti was Jewish, but never ever
said that he's connected to everything. Posts Once he leaves
the White House in sixty six and takes over Hollywood

(01:19:26):
is the head of the MPAA. He then stays in
d C and runs Hollywood from d C. He never
moved to Hollywood. He lived in DC and he ran
the Motion Picture Association from DC if that tells you anything, right, Plus,
we have the documents showing that he was transferred to
White House payroll from another agency pre existing, meaning he
was CIA. Right. So, but after he gets out of

(01:19:46):
the White House, he had two points of contact in government.
One was Richard Helms, who was the head of the
CIA until he left to become the ambassador to Iran,
and Henry Kissinger, who's starting in sixty six, was in
the White House. So yeah, yeah, the biggest people in
the world handled Valenti after he left to go to Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
It's crazy now getting back to any new revelation. Since
we last spoke, you had started off by telling me
telling us a little bit about Oswald. What else have
we not gotten into yet?

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
Yeah, well, we talked a little bit about Kerry Thornley,
and the thing I want to talk about with Carrie
Thornley is that Carrie Thornley looked a lot like Oswald.
He knew Oswald's from the time he was in the
Marines and he was recruited. It must have been recruited
into intelligence about the same time at Oswald, because I
can trace him back to at Zugi, Japan when Oswald
was there at the same time using an alias. Right,

(01:20:38):
So I have Carrie Thornley in early nineteen sixty and
at Zugi, Japan, where Oswald had been but then had
just left to go back to the States, and he
was there gathering information on Oswald, and he used the
name of Rick Thornley. So to me it was obvious
by nineteen sixty he was A already recruited into intelligence
and b already assigned to Oswald some kind of friend

(01:21:02):
slash handler. And that continued. So I've really come to
understand that a lot of the information that we have,
like there were various aliases used throughout the setup of
the assassination. Right, so we all know that Oswald allegedly
used the alias of Alec Hidell. Okay, so Alec Hidell,
there is no Alec Hidell. But the name Hidell was

(01:21:25):
actually the nickname of another marine that he knew named
whose real name was Heindel H G I N d
E L. But everyone called them called them Hidell just
because they were you know, it was mistaken or they
were lazy. But he just kind of got used to
it as a nickname. Another incident in New Orleans, where
Carrie Thornley gives an alias attempting to set up Oswald.

(01:21:46):
He gives an alias of Osborne Leon Osbourne. Well guess what,
Oswald had another marine in his unit named Osborne. Right,
So I started to find that the aliases that were
allegedly used by Ozone were also the names of men
in his units in the Marines, and Oswald was getting

(01:22:06):
set up. He didn't use it. But who else would
know this? Only Carrie Thornley, Because Carrie Thornley was there
shadowing Oswald, getting information on his alleged activities starting in
sixty in Atsugi and I promise continuing throughout the rest
of their career in the Marines. Once Oswald goes off
to the Soviet Union, Kerry Thornley goes back to New

(01:22:26):
Orleans where he ends up, you know, associating with David
Ferry and Guy Banister and Clay Shaw and all the
guys at five forty four Camp Street where Oswald is
alleged to have associated. But I'm telling you a certainty,
Oswald didn't associate with these people. He was being handled
by Clay Shaw and Carrie Thornley. But all of the
incidents where Oswald is associated with David Ferry and five

(01:22:48):
forty four Camp Street, that is one hundred percent carry Thornley.
So I came to understand that Kerry Thornley played a
much bigger role in the assassination than anybody has ever realized.
He was directly involved in the setup of Oswald. He
was the one who came up with the aliases or
assigned to Oswald and names that were used in part
of the lead up to the assassination because it wasn't Oswald,
and the only other person who would know the names

(01:23:08):
of the people in the marine unit was Carrie Thornley
because he was there, So it became very obvious to
me Carry Thornley played much bigger part in the setup,
and then once I realized his connection to Marina Oswald,
that he had a relationship with Marina Oswald in New
Orleans and had a relationship with Marina Oswald in Dallas
where they were setting Oswald up, like shooting at bales

(01:23:29):
of hay off the highway and stuff like that, where
Oswald was seen driving a car, yet Oswald never drove
like Once I made the connection that Marina was married
to Lee Harvey Oswald, but also was a scene associating
with Carry Thornley, that filled in a dozen blanks for me,
and then I realized, oh my god, Carrie Thornley was
the major force behind the setup of Oswald as this

(01:23:54):
violent communist dissident. So of course there are several incidents
where William Seymour was impersonating him at the rifle range
and a couple other places, and particularly at the schoolook Depository,
you have these two men impersonating Oswald.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
So yeah, So in the researching this krie Thornley chapter,
I'm going over some David Ferry stuff and this is
one of the biggest revelations. And I don't know the
significance of it at all. I don't know if it
has anything to do with the assassination at all, But
no one has ever pointed this out. I have discovered
that David Ferry was actually married and had a child

(01:24:31):
in nineteen forty nine. He lived in Tampa. On his taxes,
he had two dependents, and in Garrison's filed I found
a handwritten note that says they located information that stated
David Ferry had been married in nineteen forty nine and
had two dependents. Then he's investigated for being a child

(01:24:51):
molestor by Eastern Airlines in early nineteen sixties, like sixty
one sixty two. They set up an investigator to spy
on his head to keep tabs of who's coming and
going from David Ferry's place. This is Eastern Airlines, not
the police. And so they take down a whole bunch
of license plates one of the license plates they come
up with that went to David Ferri's house in nineteen

(01:25:13):
sixty two came back to David W. Ferry Junior, and
it was registered to an Alexandria, Louisiana address. When they
dug into it, they found that David Ferry Junior, who
lived in Alexandria, was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps
in nineteen sixty three. David Ferry Junior has never ever

(01:25:35):
been part of the Kennedy assassination story, and no one
has ever discussed his existence until this moment here today
on this show. So I don't even know where to
begin to put together his role in any potential anything, right, So, yeah,

(01:25:57):
that was another mind blowing discovery for me. And I
don't know the implications of that. Well, I know it
means David Ferry wasn't totally gay. He was just a
weird freak, you know. But yeah, So those are some
of the more recent connections that I've made.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Well, just the fact that there could be someone still
alive with more information than most about what could have
possibly happened in that event, that's pretty reminds me.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
Yeah, you bring me to like the biggest discovery of all.
And I have to thank my boy Antonio, who works
on my website and is in my Kennedy Chat, a
fantastic supporter of mine. He found out that William Seymour,
the man who impersonated Oswald at the gun Range and
a number of places at Sylvia Odio's and ultimately at
the Book Depository where he worked there as the Harvey

(01:26:44):
Oswald because Oswald didn't work at the Book Depository. This
man is still alive and he's living in Phoenix, Arizona,
and I have his address and phone number. He started,
he started a surveying company. He's only he's eighty six
and so so he has children and grandchildren, and I'm
sure he's probably not working at this company that he

(01:27:05):
had started. His kids are probably running it, or somebody's
running it. But I have the information on William Seymour.
It's a Seymour well Drilling, Seymour Surveying and well Drilling
or something like that in Houston. And uh yeah, that's
that is shocking to me. And I don't even know
how to go about doing anything with it, because that's
a guy who was involved directly with the setup and

(01:27:25):
he's eighty six years old, he might be ready to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say, he's eighty six. If
you're gonna do anything, you might want to do something soon.
He's got some limited time there.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
Yeah, So I don't even know what to do with that.
I've had contacts with other investigators who are interested in
this stuff, who like this kind of thing, who like
to go out and contact people, and so I think
I'm gonna hand it off to one of them. But yeah,
it's fascinating that guy. You could sit down with him,
because I have a picture of him in Deely Plaza
where he's wearing the light brown jacket that he was

(01:27:57):
stopped inside the books story wearing by Baker and True,
who allegedly stopped Oswald in the building. But they didn't
stop Oswald in the building. The whole Oswald drinking a
coke on the second floor story as a joke. It's
a total myth. Never happened. The incident with Baker and
Truly stopping Oswald happened between the third and fourth floor
and the stairwell, And it was not Oswald. It was
William Seymour and he was wearing a light brown jacket
and a light blue shirt, and I have a photograph

(01:28:19):
of him in Daily Plaza moments before before he re
entered the book depository and went back up to the
sixth floor and then was stopped on the way down.
So I have photographic proof I could present to him
and be like, that's you in Daly Plaza. What happened?
And so it's weird because it's he's eighty six years old,
he's never talked this whole time. But he actually did

(01:28:40):
show up once at a JFK convention, believe it or not.
And there's a photograph of him sitting at a booth
at a JFK convention. Wow, So yeah, wild stuff the guy.
I mean, if come on, if you had a secret
like that, your whole life, the most important thing in
world history, wouldn't you want to tell somebody at some point? Yeah,
wouldn't you want to spill the beans?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
I mean, well, it's not like we're gonna hear it
from anyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
All the prior major JFK researchers seem to have just
been going off of the previous formula that whatever detective
or researcher left for them to follow. But they didn't
dig any deeper, and we've got a more clear picture
with your research than ever before.

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
Really, yes, And I figured out why. I figured out
that most Kennedy researchers they take things for granted, Like
every Kennedy researcher in the world has taken for granted
that Lee Harvey Oswald worked at the Book Depository. They
just assume that's such a fundamental fact of the case

(01:29:42):
it has to be true. They haven't even questioned that fact. Yeah,
I questioned it. You know why, because when I went
through the statements of the people who worked in the
book Depository, I found out that some of the more
up prevalent people in there, like Ovi Campbell that ran
the book Depository, he had never seen Oswald until Oswald

(01:30:02):
showed up on television. And Oswald had allegedly been there
for about six weeks, working there for six weeks. So
there were at least seven or eight people who had
been working in that building who had never ever seen
Lee Harvey Oswald ever, right, And nobody saw him there
that day except for a handful of people who were
on the fifth and sixth floor, you know, before and

(01:30:22):
during the assassination. Guys like Charles Gibbons, and Billy Lovelady
and guys who were obviously in on the cover up
on some low level. They are the only people who
ever identified Oswald as having been there. And then when
I found that I found a picture of William Seymour
out back of the text school depository, it just made
perfect sense that yes, Oswald was being impersonated all over

(01:30:43):
the place going back to the age of twelve, and
this was no different. Everyone took for granted he worked there.
He didn't work there, no evidence he worked there. You
have a job application and witnesses who said that he
worked there. But if I introduced you to somebody who
looked just like Oswald, told you his name was Lee
Harvey Oswald, and then later you see somebody else arrested
and put on television, what are you gonna think? What

(01:31:03):
are you gonna do? Imagine if all of a sudden
you realize you worked for a CIA front, are you
gonna tell anybody? No, You're gonna be scared out of
your mind and you're gonna go work somewhere else. That's
what you're gonna do, right, So, yeah, it was a
very well kept secret. The entire assassination story is a
series of well planned, scripted events much like a theatrical production,
but not inserted into a movie, played out is real

(01:31:25):
life and reported on the news. That was the Kennedy
assassination in a nutshell, a completely scripted, fabricated event from
start to finish that took years to assemble and involved
basically hundreds of what we would now today call crisis actors.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Right now, a lot of the individuals and events surrounding
the assassination actually took place in Louisiana and New Orleans.
There were ties to the major mob boss at the time,
Carlos Marcela. What are some of the major events that
really stick out for you that maybe we could go

(01:32:00):
over today.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:02):
Sure. So, like you have to understand that New Orleans
was a major, major mob town because of the port.
That's why it was so important, not necessarily because New
Orleans was great or anything like that. It had the port,
and because it had the port, it had smuggling. And
because it had smuggling, it had you know, all of
the security agencies there, customs, it had naval intelligence, it

(01:32:24):
had FBI, CIA, you know, you name it, Army intelligence,
you name it. It had intelligence operations going on there
to either a prevent or either a prevent or b
take part in these smuggling operations. Right, So that's what
you'll always find heavy concentrations of mafia and intelligence in

(01:32:45):
locations where there were ports, New York, the docks in
New York, New Jersey, Cleveland. You know. Yeah, the ports
are essential for smuggling, hence the need for intelligence and
mafia infrastructure. And so, like, the original mob boss was
silver Dollar Sam Corolla, and he was big into the

(01:33:05):
slot machines and stuff. Right, he came up with ways
to get around the slot machines. But uh, you know,
Bureau of Bureau of Narcotics and all that stuff, they
were onto that guy, and so he ends up going
the way of the Dodo. Marcello comes to power. Marcello
was like he was one of the big three. The
big three were Marcello, Giancanna and Traffic Coante. Those are
the three biggest mob bosses in the country and the

(01:33:28):
three of them basically worked directly for Mayor Lansky, who
ran the mafia. Now, most people won't acknowledge Mayor Lansky
as having ran the mafia. They'll say he was the
mob's accountant. But when you understand that he made all
the money for the mob. He set up all the
drug trafficking routes. He was the I mean, there was
nobody like him. He was light years beyond and Conna
and Trafficante and these guys. I mean, he started murder

(01:33:51):
inc in New York and he murdered salvatormarn Zano and
Joe Massarea, who are the top two mob bosses in
the country, who were sicili. Once he knocked them off
in nineteen thirty one, he became de facto mob boss
of the whole country. Not necessarily because anyone answered directly
to him. But when you established the infrastructure of how

(01:34:12):
the mafia works, and you set up the largest money
generating operations that there were, you get all the power,
you know what I mean. So the Five Families might
have sat on the throne in New York, but they
all bowed down to my Orlansky. That's how it was.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
A lot of the planning did take place in New
Orleans amongst David Ferry and these these mobsters.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Yeah, so originally I never believed that. I thought it
was too obvious, Like if Oliver Stone is talking about it,
saying it in his film that New Orleans was the key,
and I'm thinking it's some global international conspiracy involving the Israelis.
Then how does the two fit together? I never thought
they did, but they do because of a company called Permandex,

(01:34:55):
which is a Masad front company that had, you know,
the board of directors was all a CIA, mafia, Massad,
you know, like you name it. It was a who's
who of scumbags. And that was to me the absolute
proof that all these organizations were working together. And one
of the guys on the board of directors of Permandex
and CMC was Clay Shaw. And so that's where basically
the orders came down from. It came down from the

(01:35:19):
you know, the head of the Israeli government to the
Masad to Permandex, which is where the CIA becomes involved. Right,
So the CIA is a secondary player in the assassination,
primary in its execution. However, they have great plausible deniability
because one hundred percent of the shooters also worked for
the MOB. So the CIA can always go, these guys
work for the Mob, We don't know what you're talking about,

(01:35:40):
when it's documented all of them worked for the CIA
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Right, So.

Speaker 6 (01:35:45):
Yeah, there was an intricate relationship between the CIA, the mafia,
and the FBI that I never understood now makes perfect
sense because the CIA, but the FBI's job in America
is to cover for the CIA. That's it. That is
their number one priority above all else, cover for the CIA.
The CIA does stuff and the FBI has to go in,
investigate and cover it up. That's what they fucking do.

(01:36:07):
That's plain and simple what they do. So and it's
obvious when you go in and you read the Kennedy
stuff about how they the FBI lied in documents.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Well, dude, look at the stuff happening now with especially
January sixth a perfect example, but some of the other
psychological operations and falls flags, it's exactly happening like that.
The FBI will come in and try and clean up
the mess that the CIA made, and it becomes even
more ridiculous because they end up outing themselves and they

(01:36:35):
don't know the right hand doesn't know what the left
hand doing. So FBI agents are arresting FBI agents and
it's complete chaos.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's a shit show the FBI. You can't
have a law enforcement organization that's dedicated to enforcing laws
and then covering up for those who break them. I mean,
you can't have those two things working together because, like
I promise you, like when you listen to some of
the FBI guys who were working on like the hunter
by in case who are trying to get Hunter Biden,

(01:37:02):
they were they came in and told them, yeah, stop
working on this case and you go work on something else, right, So,
like they were, the leadership takes good, good, honest you know,
law enforcement officers who want to do a good job,
and then you have the administration comes in and says, no,
go do this, and this sidetracks them and doesn't allow
them to do the job right. So that's what we're

(01:37:22):
getting with all these current whistleblowers, right with all the
modern day whistleblowers in the FBI, they're like, heyes, I
want to do my job, and they wouldn't let me
do it right. Same thing with the irs. And this
goes back to the weaponization of government. But like the
fucking Republicans today are talking about it like it's some
new thing. Shit, you shitn't me, what the fuck do
you call the Warrant Commission. That's how the weaponization to government.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Something else that has become a very apparent is that
the Five Eyes are indeed just one faction operating through
different jurisdictions. One will be able to perform actions that
the other one won't be able to do in certain countries.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
But they all answer to the same entities.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
Right yeah, they sure do. And but then you have
to think the intelligence agencies don't work for us, and
I don't believe the military works for us either, right
at all? They work for foreign corporate interests.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
So right on, now, let's get to some of the
other Is there any more revelations that we need to
cover that from your since the last time we spoke.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
You know, I do have a bunch in regards to
how the shooting on the Noah went down and how
the stuff as I the book depository went down, But
those I'm saving for the book. And speaking of the book,
let me talk about the book and his release date
and all this stuff. So I'm about halfway done with
this chapter on Kerry Thornley. Kerry Thornley, who I've said
impersonated Oswald all over the place. He was a handler
of Oswald. He definitely set up a lot of the

(01:38:46):
alias stuff involving Oswald, like heidel and Osbourne. He was
definitely the person seen at the party plotting to you know,
assassinate the president that Perry Russo saw him at that
was talked about in the JFK movie. I'm halfway through
with this chapter and it's moving along. This chapter will
be done, i'd say, at the latest this time next week,

(01:39:09):
and then the only chapter I have left is the
chapter on Jack valente And where I'm kind of conflicted
with the Jack Valenti chapter is because Jack Valenti deserves
a book unto himself, and unfortunately I don't have enough
information to write that book. But I have far more
information on Jack Valenti that I could explain in a
single chapter. So I have this kind of problem that
I have to summarize this chapter show Jack Valentti's involvement,

(01:39:31):
how he was the shooter on the Grassy Knoll, and
I have to do it, you know, in about ten
thousand words, whereas I really need about fifty thousand words
to do it, and I can't do that in his book.
So I'm same thing with Kerry Thornley. I need about
fifty thousand words just to write all the stuff on Thornley,
and I need to make it about ten thousand words, right,
so I'm sitting at about I need about fifteen thousand
words and then'le to finish this book, but I'll have

(01:39:53):
to edit down the information to enough to digestible people
and understand it. Make the point I need to make
without giving away everything, because it really deserves a book
onto itself. Right, So, right off the bat, as soon
as I'm done, I already have six seven chapters in
my head that I know will go into the next book.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
You know, it seems like it's it's getting very hard
to perfect and even carry out some of the psychological cooperations.
The same things that we would have seen during that
Kennedy era are being outed now because of technology, because
of the ease of access. The Internet was a big factor.

(01:40:34):
But now they're trying to reel back on it because
they realize that they're fucking up. Basically, that there's more
people that are realizing the game than ever and they
can't carry out these operations that they like they used to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
It seems you are.

Speaker 6 (01:40:49):
One correct, and the next step is outright censorship and
turning information into a crime. I want to screen share
something with you real quick because I just discovered this.
This has been out for three years already, but I
heard this mentioned in a government symposium recently, and so this,

(01:41:14):
I feel, is going to be the next big thing,
and this is going to be how let me see
where this is going to be, how they end up
achieving their ends? So can you see see what I'm sharing?

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
All right, so I found this. This is an actual
paper written on what is called information disorder syndrome and
its management. Let me say that again, information disorder syndrome
and its management. I'll read some of this abstract.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Sounds like trus derangement syndrome or.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
Some correct correct, many of us may be unknowingly suffering
from information disorder syndrome. It is more prevalent due to
the digitized world, where the information flows to every individual's phone, tablet,
and computer in no time. Information disorder syndrome is the
sharing or developing of false information with or without the
intent of harming, as they are categorized as misinformation, disinformation,

(01:42:11):
and malinformation. The severity of the syndrome is categorized into
three grades. Grade one is a milder form which the
individual shares false information without the intent of harming others.
Grade two is a moderate form in which the individual
develops and shares false information with the intent of making
money and political gain, but not with the intent of
harming people, and Grade three is a severe form in

(01:42:33):
which the individual develops and shares false information with the
intent of harming others. The management of this disorder requires
the management of false information, which is rumor surveillance, targeted messaging,
and community engagement repeated sufferers at the grade one level.
All sufferers from grade two to three need psychosocial counseling

(01:42:53):
and sometimes require strong regulations and enforcement to control such
information disorder. The most critical intervention is to be mindful
of the fact that not all posts and social media
are news, and news are real and need to be
interpreted carefully. So the UH they're starting to turn us
pushing out factual information, they're turning that into a disorder
that they'll be able to lock us up for.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Well, this is scary because this coincides with the laws
that they're trying to pass regarding domestic terrorism and who
they can declare domestic terrorists. It I think this all
is going to go together as an attack on free
thinkers and on people who are questioning the narrative and
cause us and you.

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
Know what that's gonna lead to. That's gonna become a
self that's gonna become a self fulfilling prophecy, because at
some point in time, people are gonna say, if I'm
gonna do the crime, I might as if I'm gonna
do the time, I might as well do the crime.
That's the fucking attitude that people will will eventually lead to.
If people know that they're ultimately going to be thrown
in jail for publishing their word their information, knowing that

(01:43:58):
they'll go to jail eventually, they're just gonna turn to
blowing things up because that's the crime they're going to
go to jail for, so they might as well do
the crime, right. So, yeah, it's ridiculous what they're doing.
It's nonsensical. All this stuff will be overturning courts if
it ever gets that far, But it doesn't matter because
it will influence the mind of the population on a

(01:44:18):
large scale and it will become part of the the zeitgeist,
so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
You know, it seems like we're in a lull for
fear campaigns right now. We're in between the COVID jabs
and the next big thing. I thought for a while
we would see a fake UFO invasion, but I don't know.
It seems like they spent way too much time and
energy and money into these whole the whole jabs and

(01:44:45):
boosters and COVID agenda to let that just fall apart.
Do you see a pandemic too in the in the future.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
No, because nobody's gonna buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Yeah, like that.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
They're full They're like, you're full of shit, you know
what I mean. See, I'm black pilled. I'm the worst
person to ask about where's our future going because if
you ask me, everyone needs to get guns because they're
crventually gonna come for you, and you need to shoot
whoever comes for you. That's my opinion on it. And
that's what's gonna kick off a revolution in this country.
The cops are going to go for somebody they shouldn't

(01:45:17):
go for. Someone's gonna fight back and kill the cops.
There's gonna be a big standoff. It's going to hit
the news. That's going to be a big debate over
the civil rights violations of the cops trying to be
there in the first place, and a revolution will spark.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
What do you think about RFK. I want to get
your thoughts on this, dude. There's people that have still
have the political savior complex, like some muppet in office
is going to make a difference about anything.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
And that's just the way I feel about it.

Speaker 6 (01:45:43):
But what do you think I think he means well,
I think he's true in what he says. I think
it's historic that a Kennedy is running for president. People
don't understand, like people don't understand how historic it is,
how important it is for America, what it's saying about America,
and the implication in regards to the Kennedy assassination, Like
when you understand who the Kennedys were and why Kennedy

(01:46:05):
was fucking killed in the first place, and then you
see that all Kennedy's were killed or warned because Ed Kennedy.
Edward Kennedy a chap equittic. And the running off the road, Yeah,
he was run off the road. He wasn't drunk and
drove off the road. He was run off the road.
It was a warning to him to not step out
of line like his brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
So that being said, do you think there's any way
this dude, would ever possibly be allowed to get into
that position. I don't see that ever happening.

Speaker 6 (01:46:31):
Honestly, we're entering into uncharted territory. H I don't understand what.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:46:37):
I honestly, I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Well, there is a lot of crumbling of systems because
of the mistakes that are being made at these elite levels.
I think they tried to roll everything out too fast,
and there's a lot of these agendas that are crumbling
right in front of their faces. And this is causing
people to question every other narratives that they put forward.

(01:47:00):
So we are in a very interesting place right now.
There's with the amount of people that have raised an
eyebrow at at some of the stuff that's going on
just alone, it puts us in an interesting place.

Speaker 6 (01:47:13):
Yes, I'm oddly optimistic for the next election, but you know,
I'm just one of these guys who just wants to
see it all burned. So, like I said, I'm the
worst guy to give actual, you know, helpful commentary.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
I just think, you know, if they if they ever
would allow someone that has good intentions towards us the
people in there, that it would end up immediately like JFK.
But I don't think they do. I thought I think
they thought they had control over Trump and maybe he
got cocky and tried to do something, but again he

(01:47:50):
was shut down.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
But I don't think this.

Speaker 6 (01:47:51):
Is you know, real, If we were going to have anything,
any kind of success in this country, there would have
to be a coup, and it would have to involve
the military, and it would have to be like a
a benevolent coup, right like, because number one, you'd have
to shut down the CIA entirely, like entirely, even if
it was just a restructuring. Everybody needs to go. One
hundred percent of people, Like if you're hired at CIA,

(01:48:12):
you've got to go. And in order to do that,
you'd need to have massive amounts of people to detain
people at the building as you're shutting them down, unless
you were to do it slow and subtly. But then
if you do it slow and subtly, they'll catch on
to what you're doing and they'll come up with a
plan to sabotage you. Right, So you have to do
it all at once. So doing it all at once
requires people being taken into custody, requires the military and

(01:48:32):
if the military knows what you're doing, the leadership of
the military is going to not be along with it,
so they're going to have to go too. So you're
going to have to have a massive plan in place
that involves a military coup that will oust the current
military leadership, CIA leadership, atf all the government three letter agencies.
You would have to have a simultaneous fucking arrest of
the leadership all at once, which means you'd have to

(01:48:54):
have people in the US Army who were doing this
at a high level, who were in with you to
begin with, which means they'd be conspiring against their leadership. Right. Yeah,
it is no way around it. I mean, there's no
way around it. That's what would have to happen unless
you have an overt violent revolution where x Navy seals
storm the White House take control of the of everything. Right,
you'd have to have them take control all the law

(01:49:15):
enforcement two. So you'd need a math. You'd need an army, basically,
you know, an army. It's not possible, you know. The
best we can hope for is that we're defeated in
a war by Russia and that Russia allows us to
restructure in a way that is not horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Oh man, that.

Speaker 6 (01:49:32):
Is see, I don't see an alternative.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
That's that's pretty bleak, man. But hey, I I like
to have some hope in it. But if we are
gonna be invaded by Russians, it better be the hot
Russians and bikinis.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
That's all. That's all I gotta say.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
Man, my favorite kind.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
All right, let's any.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
In any other revelations we need to go over before
we close out?

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
Uh No, But the revelation that everyone at home should
have is that my book has been available for pre
order for a while now, and that pre order is
going to be coming to an end, probably in the
next month or so, because I'm going to leave a
little bit of there's going to be a couple of
week gap between the time the preorder is done and
the book is actually available for sale. So you probably
got about a month to do the pre order. For

(01:50:11):
twenty five bucks, you get four chapters, you get my
complete notes, and you get a pre order copy of
the e book when it's available, which I'll be just
mailing to everybody who pre orders it. Once that is
over with and the book is available for sale, you'll
be able to get the book for you know, the
same price, twenty twenty five bucks. I haven't decided to
pricing on that yet, but in order to get my
notes or any of the other perks and stuff, it's

(01:50:33):
going to cost a significant amount of money. More so,
anybody interested in getting my notes. My notes are really
the thing. My notes are worth. They're priceless. It's got
everything in there. Stuff that's not even in this book,
tons of stuff is not even it's probably the notes
for the next two books. Also, you know, you get
that for twenty five bucks when you pre order. When
the book actually comes out, you'll be able to get that,
but it's going to be significantly more expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
So right on, right on, Corey, thank you so much.
Let everyone know where they can find all your other stuff,
like your website and all the shows you host.

Speaker 6 (01:51:04):
Yeah, so go to coreyhues dot org. It's got everything.
But I've been I started about a month ago at Daily,
which I've actually done twenty five episodes in a month. Crazy.
It's about fifty hours, almost fifty out forty five hours
worth of minute detail on Kennedy. It's called core Hu's
Bloody History. It's on podcast platforms and Rockfin and Rumble
and all that stuff. But it is the absolute best

(01:51:27):
Kennedy show that's ever been It's the most explicit, meaning
detailed show that's ever been out on Kennedy. And if
you like my work on Kennedy, you got at least
forty to forty five hours of stuff waiting on that
new show. Corey hughes bloody history. So that's it, and
pre ordered the book.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
And every Sunday you got the most dangerous show on
the interwebs.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Day zero as well.

Speaker 6 (01:51:48):
Day zero as well.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Yes, awesome zero. All right, Corey, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
We'll do it again soon and until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
We'll talk again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
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Speaker 8 (01:57:44):
That was Cajun Country.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
You know the food's good.

Speaker 8 (01:57:47):
The ladies is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
It's a run and roll like the old folks says,
they love.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
You so much. Incredible occult and forgotten history.

Speaker 8 (01:57:56):
There's a lot to the ancient history and era that
we could be uncovering. Everybody is starting to really quit
pieces together.

Speaker 9 (01:58:05):
I've been writing books and doing research in the field
of Native American mounds and archaeology since the nineteen eighties.
The LSU campus mounds were redated, which is absolutely bizarmed.
This is all very, very strange, and it's just been
made more strange because all these old mounds are in Louisiana.

(01:58:30):
The Smithsonian dug into over two thousand mounds, finding seventeen
large skeletons.

Speaker 10 (01:58:38):
They saw a very tall humanoid being.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
We just have a rich history of paranormal type stuff.
New Orleans is considered to be the most haught in
city in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
The energy that's over the land, and that energy seems
to be stuck there.

Speaker 7 (01:58:58):
In twenty nineteen, a hive had an experience. It was
all black, had long black hair on it, a tall
creature that had a dog's head. Legendary things fiction become reality.

Speaker 11 (01:59:13):
When he's fifteen. This dog man chased him through the woods.

Speaker 10 (01:59:15):
He only survived because of his dog saving his life.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
Y'all may kill me today, I said, but I promise
you this. I'm gonna kill at least two or three
young I said, you will, for the pain was thirty
on six.

Speaker 11 (01:59:28):
It was so close that he could see down the
back of its throat.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
The vast swamps of Louisiana hold many secrets, from an
incredibly old, forgotten history to mythical creatures.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
There are no answers, there's only more questions.

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