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I want to welcome Vivian Shoven. She is a published author,
international speaker, creator of several healing arts programs, and owner
of Infinite Healing from the Stars. She is co host
of the Infinite Star Connections podcast, and she has been
featured in j three Films Award winning documentary Extraordinary The Revelations.

(02:17):
She is also an author in the collaborative number one
best selling Guiding Grace book series. Vivian Welcome, How you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I am doing great, So happy to be with you today.
Thank you for taking the time with me.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yes, thank you so much for coming on. I'm very
interested in finding out more information about yourself and your
healing modalities. You're a self proclaimed Arcturion hybrid avatar, which
we're gonna find out more about, and you've also channeled
profound information about the nature of reality healing modalities like

(02:53):
I said, so today we're gonna find out more about you,
your journey and what you've discovered through your experiences. So
this is your first time on Before we get started,
let the audience know more about yourself, your background, and
were you always aware of who and what you really were?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, that's a great question. Actually, so being what it
means being an Octurnian avatar, it's more in the sense
that I am an doctrine being, and I chose from
a already and ascendant perspective. I chose to send out
a sole immanition of my Octurian self into our physical

(03:37):
form of hybrid form. My body is a hybrid and
to be able to be boots on the ground beyond
the Earth in a time where we could perceive that
the Earth would enter in such a positive and very
powerful evolutionary process. We know that if you look at
the timelines and the potential behind the movement of the

(03:58):
timelines we have forced seen for a long time than
the Earth along all of life form here and humanity
and everything will re enter an era of re evolution. Again,
that means that as much as the Earth has descended
into a compressed truality polarized reality now that the Earth

(04:19):
is moving out of that through the old cycles, and
so there was a lot of discussion with our council,
and instead of staying in my if you want to
call this way, my enlightened self as a Nocturnian being,
I could have chose to stay that way and have
more communication or point of contact on the planet with

(04:43):
people who would be chandler or teachers, and I could
have communicated through the channel this way. But what we
got to find out is that the level of effectiveness
to be physically on the planet, it's much more direct
than with we can do in terms of teaching, in
terms of coaching, in terms of assistance, rather than going

(05:06):
through the feel of the earth and everybody else filters,
because even those those are channels and they provide really
amazing information, there's still a potential of filtering out what
is originally transferred to them, because you know, programming emotional
filters and the capacity of the person itself to receive

(05:29):
the frequencies and to maintain the potency of that frequency intact.
So I chose to directly come, if you want to say,
think of it as a doctrine being wants to be
on the planet with all of you. But the best
way to do it was for me to have a
physical vessel that will allow me to be more functional

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according to the ecosystem of the Earth, the gravitational pull
through the aspect of it, the density of the frequent seas,
and so forth. So this is why in reality, who
you talk to you communicate with is that aspect of
me as an octrine being and doctrines we know they
are so ancient and already enlightened in their state. So

(06:18):
I brought in a soul emanation or a fragment of
my original doctrine self, and I brought this aspect of
myself in this physical form so I can be on
the planet. It's like saying, we want to send you
on a mission on a serious and you're going to
be working and living with the Syrian. Well, you're going

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to need to be adaptable that You're going to need
a physical form that can sustain their climate or their
planet or you know, the level of living or where
they are. So you're going to need to have that.
So we have taken the time to perfect a vessel
that will allow one of us, and that's me in
in that case, one of us to be on a

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planet and to be able to function and live among humanity.
So we can understand truly from the inside, where is
the level of consciousness, where the blockages, where is the challenges?
What is really going on? And how can we support
that evolution the best?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
If that makes sense, it does. How did you become
aware of who you are and your mission here are?
Were you just always aware?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
That's a great question. Actually I was always aware, and
I remember distinctively, even as a young child, one thing
that even as a baby, you would say, you know,
even by the age of six months old, I can
feel that I was in that state of presence. I
can feel that I was mainly out of my body,

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but just enough to function here. And if I look
at family members around me, they would say that I
was a very beautiful but the baby in the sense
that I was not displaying curiosity of wanting to crawl
and grab objects and play, and I was more like

(08:13):
staying there observing. I feel like I was in this
observation more connectiveness rather than to be physically active. I
was more active out of the body. And then a
little bit growing up, even the age of four, I
can feel that I was. I always felt like a visitor.
I knew that I was brought back on the planet

(08:35):
and I was here to learn, assess, experience, connect, whether
it's relationship with kids at school, whether it's family members,
whether it's later on, it's observing how overall the conscious
awareness of humanity, the Earth herself, the ecosystem, how everything

(08:56):
is shifting. Where are we at a time to observe
There's so much distinctive breakthrough of evolution. What is the
challenge in between each level of evolution? You know, what
is it that human beings are, you know, held on
by whether it's emotions, the past, whether it's cultural programming,

(09:19):
whether it's historical. So I've always been in that sense
of observing it, and even to this day, wherever I go,
I observe a lot. I feel I connect because I
use all of my senses. So I can feel the
vibrational quality of the place. I can understand when people
pass by me to see in their field, Oh, what's

(09:41):
going on? Okay that person is I can tell there's
nervousness in their field, or they're pre occupy, or they're
on autopilots, or they feel attracted by the energy that
is around them, so I can see at what level
And what I do is observe people a lot, and
I will smile of them. I'll just make a smile

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just to connect, when in reality there's so much more.
There's a lot of nonverbal communications going on. And this
is how we are readjusting to see where are we
in frequencies and vibrational movement on the planet and of
overall in the population. So this is why I travel
more and connect and I listen and look at the
great system to see what needs to be readjusted, how

(10:24):
can we assist to support the next level of shift.
So it's always been a very clear knowingness. It's you know,
it's there's this ongoing transmission of communication that is really flowing,
like a very teipathic communication that is always there. So

(10:45):
I can be sitting quietly, you know, in a public
place or on a bension of park, looking like I'm
just looking out doing nothing, when in reality, I am
in deep communications with my integral liked group and then
they're showing me to a great system or holographic projection
what this sector is about. As they're influenced by negativity,

(11:07):
Are there other things going on on the ground, what's
happening into the transmission. So I'm just sitting there looking
I'm sitting in the park, but I'm doing a lot
of work at the same time. So I've always been
this way. It's nothing new. It's just that how could
I say my ability has increased over time? I went
on through a lot of different upgrades. My understanding also

(11:31):
through compassion, understanding, observation, knowledge, experience have also increased. And
so this way the feedback I'm getting back to my
group it's much refined. So they can also transmit all
energy and work with other delegations. It says, okay, based
on the one we have on the planet, we can

(11:53):
see these transmission as shifted, or there's more interference we
need to help, or there's a you which breakthrough, a
catalyst coming in we need to reach us. How we're
going to support that. So it's it's very naturally, it's
very organic for me because this is who I am,
even though to you I look human, but not to them.

(12:16):
To my octure and group, they see me as one
of them. But to you, I look like one of you.
And that's the beauty of it. That's why it's such
an effective bridge of direct communication and interaction.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Are there others other hybrids like yourself that may not
even realize that they are? Do you think that there
are other incarnations on this planet that may have not
only Arcturian genetics, but other type of extraterrestrials.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, that's that's a very huge umbrella as a question.
So and I love it. Let's explore I love it. Yeah, okay,
So let's let's redefine the word hybrid in my case,
and I will. I'll start with myself and I'm going
to go into a broader perspective on this. Okay. So
the hybrid part of myself is my physical body. I'm

(13:10):
not a hybrid. I'm a noctrine being. I'm a being
who have a senate a long time ago, and I
have chosen to send forth a direct aspect of projection
of myself into a vessel, and that's the hybrid part.
So my physical vessel was directly engineered by the Electurnians.

(13:31):
We also been assisted by the Andromedance from what I understand,
and other groups who helps to perfect that genetic body
or that vessel so that I can bring I would
be functioning just enough so I can be on this
planet functioning in a field that we call a third

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dimensional construct, which is very difficult for us because it's
super low and super condensed. Who are naturally our body
is more almost like more like each her roll and
we vibrate super fast and a very high frequency. So
imagine if you're this being, I have high frequency, and
we're going to have to condense you like a ball

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to fit into an ecosystem that vibrates at that level.
That would be super challenging.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Right right now, let me ask, are your parents human
or are they also hybrids of some sort.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, let's just say that I do have a baseline
of human DNA just enough to create a connection. Think
of it has a root connection to the earthplane, and
I chose to do it this way so I can
have a better connection to the planet and a great

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system of the Earth. So there's an aspect of me,
but the aspect of me that is human or genetic human,
it's very low compared to my original octurian DNA or
genetic material. So yes, the mix has been done in

(15:12):
a way that it took us a long time to
perfect that vessel. But the percentage versus what is human
versus was the other. It's very That's why I'm able
to retain myself in such a continuous flow of frequency transmission,
and my body is designed to sustain it. So I

(15:34):
do have what you will call a human mother, but
my father is my Octorian father. So that's like I said,
I have a higher percentage of Octorian genitic material or
TNA versus the human parts. So we brought in the
human parts just as an anchor point to stabilize if

(15:56):
you want, the matrix, and we build the vessel around it,
and then everything else was done with the Nocturnes and
the Andromeda, and they supported us in the perfection of
this vessel. It took us many generations to come to
be able to stabilize that matrix, so then both genetic
material will be more compatible with each other. It's a

(16:20):
very big endeavor. It's not something that you do over time.
It took us a long time to be able to
do that. So it was very well planned, which means
that those who were involved, all the generational term bloodline
was also we were communicating with them, we were explaining
the project, so everybody was on board. It was done

(16:42):
to our sole agreements. Nothing was forced. No one was
taking another beds that night to the walls, none of
that thing. It was done into a beautiful sole partnership.
So it's a sole group that we work with, and
that sole group are part of what brought me here
and why I am here today. So I'm very grateful

(17:04):
for all you know, those who that bloodline, who contributed
it was part of their sole mission. So I just
want to redefine it because we do it with high authority,
with high integrity or turns for masters of light, they
are a light and beings and so I just want
to redefine that here. It's it's very it's a very beautiful.

(17:26):
It's an endeavor of love, it's an endeavor of being
of service, and it's in response of a calling of
an entire planet. I'm another guy at Earth. When she
talks and send her single, we can listen and re
receive those singles and we can communicate with the planet directly.

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So it's took us a very long time. So this
is why it's hard for me to put myself in
the same category of the word hybrid, because it doesn't
really fit me since it's a more of a prototype.
There's only one like myself. There's only one because I'm
a prototype in that way. It's a very we push

(18:09):
the envelope very hard for me to be here because
it's very difficult for me to be on a planet.
It's very challenging, whether it's my respiratory tract, digestive system,
im immune system, I mean, name it. It's very challenging
for me to be here. So I'm a prototype in
that way. Now, without being said, there's many star seed

(18:29):
on a planet, generation of star seeds, and we know
star seed sole emanation of group consciousness who come from
other intergalactic groups, interstellars, galaxies and multiverse, all of it.
So they come as a sole emanation to encore the

(18:50):
vibration or the frequency of that corresponding group, and that
when they come here to support the Earth and a
multitude of timeline and shift and evolution. So in that sense,
all these star seeds, it is potentially true that their
original star group might have added some little additional genetic

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while the mother was pregnant to help the soul to
better adapt to their mission, So that will be classified
as a type of hybrid. But you can tell that
the difference is huge. Usually that star seed will enter
the consciousness of a body that was made by two
human beings. And as you understand the reproduction system here, well,

(19:40):
in my case it's not the case. That's not the
way it happened at all. So that part of hybrid, well,
they're very designed to be on the planet. It's very different.
The impact of how they're responding to the vibration of
Mother Earth will be very different for them than it
is for me, for example. That's another example. Yes, there's

(20:04):
also other form of hybrids that will be a blend
of either a mother or father human with an extra
terrestrial parent. We see that, I know, we hear a
lot about the Grays and other groups and things like that. Well,
usually these types of hybrids are not meant to live
on the planet with you. Among humans, They're more meant

(20:27):
to live with their originals. To our families. It can
be because they need a genetic stabilization to help or
save their race, or to help them re evolve back
into a higher state of consciousness. Many of those races
who gone through much through technology, they lost something unique,

(20:49):
They lost that spark of divine connection and what they
do is that they turn to human beings because there's
something about you. There's an emanation, a light, there's something
that you carry in you that is very natural to
the human race that they say we need that in
order to rekindle with that part of ourselves. It's not

(21:12):
necessarily because it's negative. There's a bigger design picture behind it,
and I know, I know there's also government testing and
other things, but that's another level. Well, if you look
at the complexity of the word hybrid, there's nothing to
be afraid of. If you look at the original genetic

(21:36):
design or the DNA design or the DNA template of
the human race, you have so much encoding from multi
dimensional aspect of you. Many intergalactic groups have come to
perfect and help, whether it's the play Aliens, when there's
other groups. So technically you can call yourself a hybrid
in that sense. However, the human race always meant to

(22:00):
be able to evolve alongside with the ecosystem of this planet.
If you come on my planet in my realm, you go, oh,
this is wonderful, but I'm not designed to live here. Well,
it's the same thing. I'm not designed to live here,
but I'm designed to come and support you. That's the difference.
We're human race. You're here too, more in sync with

(22:24):
the planet herself, and then you're going to re evolve.
That's the idea is to return yourself to your original state.
You're not this three defragmented, polarized, fearful being. That that's
an illusion, and we see that about you. Why do
you think we went so much above and beyond to
bring me to the planet. There's a reason for this.

(22:47):
That's to help to accelerate a very specific, very powerful
and empowering reawakening. So, going back to the over hybrid
I just illustrate it the complexity of how the word
can be applied and understood in many ways. I hope
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Though, yes it does. And I'd like to get your
thoughts on the opposite spectrum of this. Are there negative
extraterrestrials that are utilizing some of the same things hybridization,
even channeling or types of contact to prevent our positive evolution.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, let's be real here. You're absolutely right, and we
will say so. That's the beauty when you're talking to
a true, enlightened, already ascendant intergalactic intelligence that which says
look like on your planet. There's a symbol that you
recognize called in the end, right, So there's those a

(23:47):
part of the gin and those are really heavy in
the end. So what it means is that, yes, they
are those who have no interest in seeing your wellbeing
or expanding to your potential and rediscovering remembering at a
deeper level who you are. There are those who have
no interest of seeing the original DNA template of the

(24:10):
human race to re evolve back to its original state,
which is a much fuller twelve strand completely reactivated template,
and then from that you can even evolve beyond the
twelve strand. They are those who prefer to use you
as slave or workers or servitude, or utilize your energy

(24:32):
as a feeding source. It is true. Now, it doesn't
mean that we need to be in fear. No no
fear everyone, No fear, just light because the counterpart what
we call the dark light polarity on this planet and
on other planets too, they do exist, and we have
encountered them so many times. We are well aware of

(24:56):
the challenges that humanity has been facing. For me, we
are well aware. This is why we're here as teachers,
as guides. We come to help we come to support,
but we're here to support your reawakening. We're here to
support your empowerment to says, yes, we recognize there's the

(25:17):
negative ones. I myself, Christopher, has been interfered with many
by the negative ones and the dark Dracconians, the dark Reptilians, AI,
all of this fun stuff, all of it. And believe me,
they don't see me as a human. They call me octurian. Oh,
you Aucturians. We want you to stop helping the planet.

(25:40):
No I'm not gonna do that. You stop interfering in
the human race. No, you don't one interfering. I'm here
to help them, remembering who they are, I'm going to
check them up. Says Hey, you're powerful, stand up with
each other, grand your power. Bring yourself together. No more
pickering with each other around religion and terry and resources

(26:01):
and all of it. Bring yourself back together. That way,
the negative one has no longer a grip on you.
There's no longer a separation. It's so busy. When you
are busy interfering with each other, you don't see what's
going on on the other range. So, yeah, there are
those who will gladly utilize genetic material from human for

(26:24):
their own benefits. Yes, they do exist. Yes, many many
interplanetary councils are aware of this, including a spiritual erarchy
who is in charge of overseeing the evolution of the Earth.
And I can assure you you have many of star
brothers and sisters who want to see you thriving and

(26:46):
rising again. But there are those who have no interests
and that is very true.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
It is Yeah, you mentioned AI. Is this AI something
of a cosmic nature? Is it man made? Extraterrestrial? Were
you what are you referring to?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah? AI is not really men made. It's a phenomenon
that we eve encounter in other worlds. It comes to
the point where we see civilization going too fast in
technology versus the consciousness that comes with that technology. And
what happened is that that AI. It's more of an
artificial matrix that is put in place when we see

(27:29):
that the potential of a race or civilization that is
on the midst of a huge conscious breakthrough. Then it
gets intermingled into their world or into their you know,
how could I say that It's like a false matrix
that is put on top of their reality. So we
have to be very mindful about that. Any technology, now

(27:53):
I'm gonna make I'm going to give you a very
ridiculous example. Would you give your cell phone all of
your power? Or in terms of decision making intelligence, right,
it's ridiculous. Well, AI is the same thing. Now there
will be those who would say, well, it's useful in
graphic design and accelerate this, or maybe in medical breakthroughs

(28:16):
and scientific breakthroughs. What we say, another experience is it
is a very delicate fine line. The balance is very delicate,
and right now we see that rising. We found it
very interesting think about it. We found it very interesting
that AI is rising now at the point where humanity

(28:39):
has been awakening more and more over the last three
four years. I found it very synchronistic.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yes, let's talk about the era that we're in right
now and what seems to be a lot of turmoil
and chaos. You look back and you can see an
evolution of consciousness occurring. You can see people waking up
and becoming aware of the corruption, and they're becoming aware
of their own true spiritual nature. This seems to have

(29:09):
been occurring for a little over a few years now,
but it seems to be intensifying in a way. The
more that we seemingly are communicating this information and people
like yourself for bringing this information forward, the more collectively
we seem to have an understanding and it may be
easier to navigate these difficult times.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
What do you think, absolutely, and this is why are
becoming more and more because your frequency is rising on
the planet, then you're allowing more of your I would
say masters of light, teachers, enlightened indo galactic ancient ones
like ourselves and others to come forward. You're becoming more

(29:52):
receptive and acceptance to receive as kind of teaching and remembrance.
So we do as it will help you to reactivate
those ancient memory connectors. That's going to help everyone to
navigate through those necessary change in structure on your planet
with more ease, without giving up more of fear or anxiety.

(30:16):
So I'll tell you what happened and what we see
in your holographic field. When you're more in fear anxiety
and you're overly projecting yourself into a possible future or
super entroled by the past with these old movies playing out,
we see your feel retracting. So what happened is that

(30:37):
those who wants to manipulate you, go great, that's what
we want from you. This is what we expecting from you.
Give up your power, give us all of your life,
your energy, your best of you. Then we can tell
you what's best for you and going and redirect you
into those fabricated illusionary reality. So this is why it's

(31:00):
important use your higher discernment. Now, one thing is that
get out of the lower mind. The mind asks questions,
but there's no answers. What we mean is open your
mental field to welcome this higher mental faculties, higher understanding.

(31:21):
Stop to tap into ancient memories and knowledge, you know,
start to be able to open your own solocashic record
field and bring that connection directly to the very point
center of your being, where your spark is, which is
your heart center. This is much more than a spiritual cliche.

(31:41):
This is pretty much the way you want to bring
yourself back into your empowerment, clarity, sovereignty, freedom, understanding, working
side by side. But those are great teachers. Those who
really wants to support you and seize you as equal,
not as an inferior, but as an equal, then that's

(32:02):
the way to do it. Why two things very simple.
Number one, it gets you out of the THEO metrix
much more and you're getting more stable, You're getting more grounded.
You can get more like you the way your mind works,
your heart, utilizing your senses a whole different level. Number two,

(32:23):
you're becoming more receptive to real guidance, teachings, redirections, being
able to implement new practices, cultivating this state within you.
So what you're doing is that you're bringing all this
energy back to you instead of constantly wasting your energy
and giving out whether it's upsetting political news, and that's

(32:47):
what they want, They're going to create exactly what they need.
You know why because of dark light polarity, whether the government, medical, field, education, historical,
doesn't matter of what field, no matter, they understand the
human being in the human template to a t more
than you understand your own self. So human beings are beautiful, sentient,

(33:11):
being capable of great compassion. You have these emotions that
brings you back to creator, that brings you back to
that point of origination. So if I'm one of those
who wants to manipulate an entire civilization, what do I
do I get to understand? What is the sensitivity? How
it works underderstanding the template, understanding universe systems, and being

(33:36):
able to play on this all the time. It's like saying,
I'm going to put I'm going to connect myself to
a fee to your house directly into the main source
of power of your house, so I can get a
portion of that energy back to my house or my system.

(33:57):
And you will go like, huh know why my build
is so high everymond or why do I have those
power urge search all the time in my house? And
you keep upgrading and you keep giving it power and energy.
But in reality, what you're doing, you're feeding this other
feet at the same time. So this is why it's
really time to recognize that all of these old structures,

(34:21):
whether it's financial, government, medical education, whether it's you know,
societal communities, all the old structures that was based on
a slave design. That's why it's crumbling down. But I
cannot show you. And we're rising into new ways, and

(34:43):
I know the transition can be uncertain, We know that
the transition can be a little bit on you know,
nerve racking. This is what's going to happen. What's going
to happen is that you're finally shifting out of that compressing, limiting,
three D false matrix reality that it's been dictating you

(35:03):
what you can do, what you cannot do, what's allowed,
what's forbidden, and here's our rules, and you're redefining all
of it. This is white so much assistance. What do
you think is so many star seed that returned to
the planet. There's so many presents sighting in the sky,
or you know, I hear my clients every day. This

(35:26):
being came to me. What does it mean? Well, what
does it mean to you? Did you ask for more help?
Did you ask that you're ready to better understand who
you are, your sole purpose, your true self, your gives
your ability, there's so much more to you. Well, you're
seeing the assistance you needed. But it's an assistance that's

(35:47):
there to help you, walking side by side with you,
as opposed to nim blame you. That's very different. We're
not here to enable anyone, We're here to empowered one.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Now, with this global consciousness evolution, do you see within
our lifetime that we may have global awareness of extraterrestrials,
maybe contact, regular contact with these beings.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes, And that's what you call part of the word
disclosure and the big umbrella of disclosure. That word or
the semantic the meaning of that word is shifting. This
is part of becoming more conscious that you are part
of a very large, multi dimensional intergalactic community and so

(36:37):
returning into reconnecting with your own origins, your ancestors, you know,
your connections with these higher intercusmic cosmic intelligence becomes more
and more normal accepted. Look at all the Aboriginal tribes,
whether it's the Zumination, the Navarro they could hope, whether

(37:02):
it's the Algonquin in Canada. It's all over the world,
even all the way to Sydney or you know in Uluru.
All the Aboriginal tribes and our elders have oral tradition
of connecting, welcoming object intra extraterrestrial being connecting with them

(37:23):
for generations. Why is it normal to them but not
for the rest of the world. So, yes, this is
where we are right now. We are re entering a
more noble, higher cosmic era of reconnecting with different life forms.
And one of the things that human beings have to
overcome is to fear anything that doesn't look like you,

(37:48):
anything that looks different from you. That there's more of
a fear, energy or nervousness around it. But it's just
embracing diversity of life. You're reconnecting with your faculty ease
of true divine empathic responses. So practice with the animals kingdom.
Practice when you see a pragmentis you know in your

(38:11):
window or if you see something like if you looked
close to it bee, where their big eyes and the
way they look they're magnificent. Well it does. It repractices
your internal senses to reattune yourself to accept different life
forms and still be comfortable, be in tune with it.

(38:31):
So the next three years or so it's going to
be very I would say essential in that potential of
reconnecting more consciously. You want to connect with cosmic intelligence, Well,
be clear about your intentions, be clear about what you
want to achieve. Are you in alignment with yourself or

(38:54):
is there a part of you says where my mental
curiosity wants to talk, but is a part of me
the background I still have some fear. Well, they're not
going to force that on you, not the enlightened ones,
not the assented ones, because if you're a little bit
too fearful, I'm going to say we want to connect
with you, but your level, your channel or receptivity are

(39:15):
closed down by fear. So let's go in dream state
or in a vision or during a meditation. We're going
to give you a vision that's more accepted, so you
can practice readjusting yourself without having fear. And then we
will come in our holographic field or allographic projection. Then

(39:37):
we will make more direct connection with you. So those
are practical and yet very beautifully advanced ways to already
achieve yourself excellent.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Let's talk about what we can expect collectively as humanity
over the upcoming months and years. You talk about that
we're going to be upgrade redd into this new human,
this new body template with quantum DNA twelve strands. Talk
a little bit about what's going to happen to the human.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Well, it also depends on your state of awareness. Like,
for example, well recently I did an interview with this
gentleman who is so ingrained and so convinced of its
own religion belief system that no matter what we attempt

(40:32):
to share or to bring another perspective wouldn't be received
if it was like deflecting of a really thick shield.
So someone like him, and I don't need to mention
any names as pointless. But someone like him who tells me, yes,
you know, and told me that any beings who came,

(40:55):
or the God who come to this world or real
and wants to be worshiped and to serve them, if
you convince our certain belief systems, and that can be
enough to ingrain you into a certain paradigm of reality,
and no one will force contact or evolution on you.
You will still be able to evolve, but within that

(41:17):
frame that you recognize. So that person, for example, instead
of having a fluing conversation like we have, all he
was doing for an hour is reading me the Gospel
in the Bible to me literally, and I said, there's
nothing we can do it for you right now because
you're convinced. So there will be those on the planet,

(41:39):
that's my point here. There will be those on the
planet as a soul group of humans who will need
to continue to evolve based on their religion or belief
systems or what they're really their paradigm or their reality.
They build themselves in for generations and eventually those souls

(42:01):
will come out of it. The masters of why, the
beings of Light have told me that no matter what,
it's always evolution. It's just that there's a group of
soul on the planet that will simply continue to evolve
in the same level of third dimensional density until they
have their breakthrough, and then they will have more assistance

(42:22):
and they will move on to the next stage of
soul evolution. Now, the vast majority of human beings have
the potential given to them, but you have to practice that.
You have to want it, You have to initiate the energy.
You have to maintain yourself in a constant state of

(42:43):
more serenity with yourself, serenity and harmony with all there is,
the universe of the beings. You have to maintain yourself
in that space to really help to recognize within your
own internal universe the changes in your DNA. And what

(43:04):
is the scientific The scientists of your world declare, there's
only to stry it and everything else is john DNA.
We always find it very amusing. And what do you
think is that again? Now, disregard is amazing genetic encoding
a library of information within you. Just disregard it. This

(43:28):
is no good, and then focus more of what you
have and be happy with it. That's a big reversal
of a thought system that's going on on the planet.
So what you expect, more reversal of thought system, more practice,
more desire to recognize what is within you, open yourself
to communicate with your higher self, your star families. Those

(43:52):
are here to come to assist you cultivate and maintain
yourself into a more harmonic place instead of giving out
to anger, frustration, fear. So think about it. When that happened,
I'll give yourself step back, bring yourself back into a

(44:12):
point of zero point or neutrality, and says moving forward,
I will be mindful of when and how I give
up my power and my inner piece. So the more
you're maintaining yourself in a space, the more your physiology
is also evolving with you. So your body becomes more

(44:34):
light as opposed to be dense, carbon based. So there's
a change. There's a change at a cellar level, there's
a change in your chromosome that start to feel that
your body becomes more a higher conduit for the light,
and also your mental faculty start to shift more complex, compassionate,

(44:56):
intelligent platform that is also bridge with your heart and
panic responses, divine compassion. You're returning into a more quantum
human that is meant to be. You've always the designed
to be this way. So, in other words, to be clear,
you're shifting out of the all three D mold that

(45:18):
casts you in terms of dense being that live their life, born,
live and die, and that's it. You're shifting out of
these heavy illusionary mold.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Talk a little bit about what we can expect from
our own human potential. You talked about how we will
have more psychic awareness and abilities, but what about physically well,
be physically changed. Are we going to have the ability
to live longer lives like it seems our ancient ancestors

(45:51):
did tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yes, it's all interconnected because when your body, your body
structures become more light and increase its capacity to even
understand in the code solar frequency solar transmission, and it
then changes to the grid system. Remember you are in
symbiotic relationship with the Earth. That means that the Earth

(46:15):
grid system and her body is shifting. It's accelerating. That
means your body is start to accelerate. What it means
is that again it shifts you out of the denser
three D carbon base heavy energy of a body when
you have to eat lots of meat and exercise and

(46:36):
get your muscle going. That's an all three D model.
You're returning to be more lighter, more the body start
to really start to shift. Even your cells the way
they communicate on a quantum level, there's a remembrance like

(46:56):
a reactivating a very ancient pathway of encoding and now
is bringing you back out of the three D polarized
model of the physical body form and more into a higher,
lighter body that is more in sync with higher fifth dimensional,

(47:16):
higher vibratory state. So can you imagine even in your bone,
in the bone marrow the energy to transmission their transmitter
start to evolve that heavy density muscular systems start to
get more light, more fluid. So of course everything including
your brain functions start to evolve. You know, open up

(47:40):
more than neural cortex, you know, new neural pathways the
brain symptopsis, getting out of the reptilian brain, instinctual brain
more into a higher intellectual aspect. Have to reset my camera.
The energy is so high the equipment can barely keep
up with me. It does that all the time, believe me.

(48:03):
But I'm still here one hundred percent so it's a
physical manifestation while we're talking. Actually interesting, So it really
all these physical manifestations going to start to match that
of the higher vibration and remember your state of awareness,

(48:24):
it comes in in hand. If that makes sense. It does.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
It's very interesting what is occurring with the mainstream disclosure
coming from our government and mainstream media and also the
increasing paranormal type of stories that are appearing in our
news feeds mainly surround surrounding UFOs or extraterrestrials. But it

(48:49):
seems like these instances are going to be occurring more often,
and they already are. What are your thoughts on what's
behind the mainstream disclosure. Is it about rolling out new
exotic technology for our military. Is it about getting ahead
of something that they know is going to occur in

(49:10):
the future. What do you think is occurring behind the
disclosure that they're letting us know that there is indeed
something going on with these craft in our skies.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Well, the thing about this, it's nothing new. If you
really look at all of your movie, scientific movies, TV series,
speeches from former president and all of it in you know, institutions, government,
they always been talking about this. It's simply been the
skies more discreetly or taking into a way that was

(49:47):
just a random phrase, or you know, it was just
a random fun TVC that came out, like Star Trek
back in the sixties, What do you think it was.
Star Trek is disclosure and it's nothing about science fiction
is telling you about the Federation. It's telling you about
how things are moving. It is a form of disclosure.
But if you look today, we're more attuned. So what

(50:11):
was discreetly brought to you over many generations now it's
they can no longer truly hide all of these you know, technology,
or they've been interacting with a multitude of itty races
that lives with you on the planet at different places,
different locations, or work side by side with military. It's

(50:33):
not necessarily always for negative or for destructions. Sometimes it is,
and sometimes it's just these groups are more neutral, like
the Tall White for example, I forgot the name of
the gentleman who was a whistle blower who talks about
when he was in the military being assigned to a
base like out of nowhere in the desert, and these

(50:56):
itty beings, those groups live there with them, and it
was going to interact with them, and they're not negative,
they're more neutral. They're not here really to help, but
they're more neutral, and they need to live on this
Earth because their planet was destroyed or something happened. That's
a level of what's been going on. You're going to

(51:18):
start using more discernment to understand what level of disclosure
belongs to what and what is it really telling you
about your Earth history. It's just simply reminding you that
it's a natural phenomenal that's been going on for a
very long time, but it's been disguised in ways or

(51:43):
you know, projection or comic books and conference and or
things like that. But now more and more people are
coming out. Look at the nineteen forty seven crush and
ros Well. Okay, now a year ago, I was on
Rosewell because I have good friends there. I was in Roswell.
So my husband and I which we pinpoint on the

(52:04):
map where the site, the crashing site is, And you
think about twenty twenty three versus nineteen forty seven is
a big gap of Tommy between right. So I'm in Roosevelt.
My husband and I are driving out of nowhere in
the rain. It's overcasts, and we found the north gate,

(52:28):
part of the crash site where the alleged flying saucer
crashed on the land of this ranch land right, do
let me ask you this question in twenty twenty three,
even to this day, we're is sitting by the road
park looking outside of there was a big fence. Outside

(52:49):
of the fence, not even rattling it, doing nothing with
the fence. But what I did as I sent a
telepathic communication to the land and I asked to be shown.
So I opened the hoellographic field because I had these
faculties and I can see memories of what took place.
Did you know that within ten to fifteen minutes we

(53:10):
were intercepted by three suv. Ahea, it's raining out of nowhere,
a little tiny one way road out of in the field.
We do nothing. We don't try to jump it or
grab things. We do nothing. All I do is to
be there in this and I call upon my octrine

(53:33):
indigation and he opened the field and I start to communicate. Now,
how was I supposed to be interfered or intercepted out
of nowhere when there's no camera, there's no helicopter above
my head, and yet three suv were rushing towards our
location rushing. So I got back in the car and

(53:55):
we took off. When we got back to our hotel,
and we park in the parking lot. Just by the
time we got back back in the hotel, there was
already an Air Force car. A vehicle from the US
Air Force came and parked right next to us and
stayed there for a while. Wow, that's nineteen forty seven,

(54:18):
twenty twenty three, but that's just closer for you. And
that happened to me a year ago. It's like it
was ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yes, Are you aware of any other hybridization programs from
other races that may not be all benevolent that may
be more of a service to self agenda or even
neutral like you were saying, where they are doing hybridization

(54:49):
experiments on humans.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Is that part of a reality, Yes, but you have
to understand this reality. It's a huge, multi mentional word
because it's going to be a multitude of reality that
is unfolding all at once. It is just as diversified
as the word timeline. So what we recommend is, I

(55:13):
acknowledge there's a lot going on, but choose what reality
you really want to focus on. Lift experience and co create.
So I will simply say one thing about this my mission.
I am sent through the High Council of the Auctorians.

(55:33):
I am part or so of the High Pristess Council
of twelve. In our realm, I'm a very advanced being.
My role it's to assure that in the future timeline
the Earth is sent back again. This is what my
role is about. My role is to ensure that as
many soul as it is allowed will also reascent along

(55:56):
with the Earth. This is my focal point. However, without
being said, because I'm an Octurian, I get a lot
of interference from the dark light. And what I know
it's because in the last few months, a good friend
of mine, who is a filmmaker, award winning filmmaker, call

(56:17):
me and says, Vivian, I was contacted by a reptilian
being and he mentioned you. This being mentioned your name,
but they don't mention my name, but they mentioned me.
So I got a phone call with my friend, who
is a very down to our gentleman. We're a good reputation,

(56:39):
award winning filmmaker, an author, very well established, not a
type of guy who will dive into more into those
conspiracy theory things like that. Just give you some background here.
He was freaked out on the phone, and I said,
we're going to send the record straight, bring it back
into your power. What happened this reptile on being use

(57:03):
one of his electronic device to communicate with them. Tell
him that apparently they're working on this hybrid race. Then
they want to mix human DNA with their own and
they're gonna you know that he wanted, you want my
friend to be a part of it, and you know,

(57:24):
kind of more bringing intimidation and fear. And then he
said to my friend, he said, oh, on a side note,
your octurian friend is of no no consequence to us.
We don't care about her. And I smiled and I
told my friend, I said, if this reptilian being who

(57:45):
was really managed just to contact you as an attempt
to convince you, because you're a filmmaker and you may
have some influence in the industry or whatever you have
resources with, was attempting to convince you to join our cause,
why does this being fel the need to mention me.
That's because again they don't see me as a human.

(58:08):
They understand that our presence on the planet is a
game changer. We're shifting the frequencies. We're constantly modulating the
frequencies back into a higher pure form of frequencies of light,
which come to part what they want to do, which
is installing more fear matrix. So this supposedly hybrid rays

(58:32):
that they're working on, while in reality, what I did
is I brought it back to the high console and
I said, I want to have a decree made, a
new treaty made on behalf of the Earth that will
prevent these beings for doing this kind of false hybrid
matrix reality push agenda in an attempt to again divide

(58:58):
retract in many plays, So we have to be mindful
in terms of whatever we hear. Sometimes it is put
in the field with the hope that as many people
as possible will grab onto it so it can become
a manifested reality. It doesn't mean it's a manifested reality

(59:19):
just yet, but they need your participation. And that is
only one example of this, and that just happened a
few months ago.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Wow, now we've got a few minutes left. Do you
think that within our lifetimes, if we are in this
ultimate positive timeline and we are embracing the positive changes,
and we're evolving our consciousness in the correct ways that

(59:49):
we may see a lifetime without this dystopian control system
over our heads. Do you think that it's possible for
that to crumble in the near future.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Absolutely, And I would say that the bridge of a
three D reality that is implying that control structure is
barely holding on by your threat. It is more it's
weaker that it seems. And this is why we are
stressing so much today, the importance to really understand what

(01:00:22):
reality you wants to feed, because your God given light,
the power of what you carry within you, who you
really are as you are a cosmic internal being, and
only as spark of you is having this human experience
right now. So imagine utilizing that energy. Says I choose

(01:00:47):
to be part of this New Earth ascension reality, I
no longer wish to partake. I have nothing else to
learn or evolve from. This really paradigm of being perceived
as a linear being really past present future, that's all
there is. This is ludicrous. You are not a linear being.

(01:01:10):
You're a multi dimensional being to begin with. So getting
out of that restricted box with a control structures, whether
it's rs, tax, government, military, all of it. Remember one thing, though,
there are light workers everywhere, whether it's working for the government,
military structures, there are light workers everywhere. So call upon

(01:01:34):
the light workers who are working at the level of structures,
because those structures are transforming. We are in the midamorphosed
stage right now. It can be difficult kicking, screaming fear,
or it can be you know what, I trust more
and I'm going to bring myself back into this quantum

(01:01:57):
universal part of me. And I know that all these
structure that seemingly crumble down right now, it's because it's
like saying, this beautiful field holding a very old village,
and these structures back in the eighteen hundreds are barely
holding and they becoming more a contamination to the field.

(01:02:20):
Would you holding on to this building out of claiming
it's historical or would you let them go and let
them those structures crumble to the ground so they can
be released, rejuvenate the field and create something new instead.
And that's what you're looking at. It's finally happening. Generation

(01:02:41):
and generations of star beings, star seeds, and masters coming
back to the planet in human form to help to
finally bring the planet back to its original point. It
is more than time. But again, you have a voice.
You are very powerful being. Where you invest your belief system,

(01:03:05):
your emotion, your thought, and your energy into can be manifested.
So what reality are you really really to embrace? Be
with us, walk with us. It's time, This is your time.
And the Earth is ready and she's shifting. Ready or not,
she is shifting. And this is part of descending. Now

(01:03:29):
the planet descended and now it's reascending again. It's you're
simply it's a grand return. You're returning to reclaiming what
is your natural That is your nature, what is organic
in you, not fabricated through those authority. This is why
your DNA is shifting. There's some genus getting out the

(01:03:52):
gene of you know, obeying your masters and and and
you know, feeling yourself if you feel the gods and
and higher authority and all of it, this gene of
manipulation all be put in place by other groups to
make a class worker out of you. I'm sorry, but
you're not a class worker at all. You are those

(01:04:14):
rial galactic royalties with all the genetic material that you're
carrying you it's phenomenal and one day when you start
to realize that you're going to go, I got out
of this dream. What was I dreaming about? Yeah, this
is what's going on. So no fear, everyone, stay in
your light, stay in your empowerment, reclaim your sovereignty, three

(01:04:37):
yourself from the mental construct, and there's no need to
be wild by words like disclosure and whistle blower and
of it. It's natural. You finally be accessing natural archive
of history. This has been covering your planet for generations.

(01:04:58):
So take it for not going to a salt and discernment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Wonderful, Vivian, this was fantastic information. I would definitely love
to have you back on in the future. There's much
more we can discuss, but before you leave today, let
the audience know how they can find out more about
you and access some of the things you have to offer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
And thank you so much. I appreciate that. So we
have a website called Infinite Healing from the Stars. Infinite
Healing from the Stars and one other thing that is
really wonderful about what we offer and only we every
month we do have free meditation series that really helps
people to get more practice discipline, being able to have

(01:05:42):
support tools and they are all for free. We have
a large library authentitations as well on my YouTube channel. Also,
we do have what's called the Universal Octurnan Online Community,
so we have multitude memberships, very affordable ones we do
every month is we have classes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
We have the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Doctrin Olographic Group Healing series. We have also a private
meeting with members where we do global initiative work plany
work we do also healing together. We answer questions. We're
helping you to shift and evolve and we're here to
supporting you this way. And so the doctrin Olographic Group

(01:06:26):
Healing every month plus the online community and we have
members from all over the world and it's wonderful to
see light minded people coming together. The quality of the
members that we have is phenomenal in the level of support.
It's meaningful, make you feel that you belong and it

(01:06:48):
helps you to remember the pathway that isn't calling you
and we offer a lot, So that would be a
great way to work with us and be in the
frequencies on more regular basis. You can really start to
feel a transformation for you and how it applies to
your life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Excellent, Vivian, thank you so much. This was great. We'll
do it again soon and until next time, everyone have
an excellent evening. We will be talking again today. I
want to welcome back to the show Phoenix Aurelius. He
is a philosopher, alchemist, spajirist, agriculturist, teacher, and the founder
of the Phoenix Aurelius Research Academy, where he performs in

(01:07:29):
depth research in a vast variety of subjects for the
development of Aurelian medicine and alchemiculture. His focus since twenty
fifteen has been to pioneer a new field of medicine
for the twenty first century and beyond, which he calls
Aurelian medicine. He also invented an entire movement called alchemiculture,

(01:07:52):
which offers a philosophical approach to human existence designed for
the modern world using alchemical principles. He is also host
of the alchemiculture podcast Phoenix Welcome back. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I'm doing great, man, Thank you so much for having
me back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Thank you for coming back. I really enjoyed our last conversation,
looking forward to this one. You're working with some alchemical
modalities that could possibly change the way we utilize medicine,
and you bring back ancient alchemical practices that have incredible
benefits for humanity and provide lost understandings of things like alchemy, magic, medicine,

(01:08:33):
and the metaphysical realms that hold our existence together. So
I can't wait to get into some of the things
you're working on. But first, it's been a while. Remind
the audience about yourself and what led you down your
path here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, totally. So most people kind of know me for
my alchemical work, and admittedly that's a huge portion of
what I do. So basically, really I run Phoenix Relias
Research Academy, and I focus on two main things there.
One is trying to advance a field of spigeric medicine,

(01:09:08):
which was invented by Paracelsus in the fifteen thirties and
was healing things like, yeah, epilepsy for sure, but plague
and syphilis and leprosy and all sorts of different types
of things in the fifteen thirties. He was way ahead
of his time. Unfortunately, his ideas didn't hold up to
the scientific revolution during the discovery of things like oxygen

(01:09:31):
and other things as other elements, and they kind of
just threw the baby out with the bathwater and wanted
to distance themselves from alchemy all together during that time.
And so what I've done is I picked up a
whole lot of his material, in fact, all of it,
and have translated it into English and relied on other
translations too, And I'm reconstructing this in the twenty first

(01:09:53):
century with modern chemical terms and modern technologies and other
things like that, and trying to bring it back because
most people don't understand that the root of our pharmaceutical
technology actually goes back to Paracelsis himself. The entire fields
of toxicology, the entire fields of pharmaceutical chemistry, which is
known as eatro chemistry, all has its roots in Paracelsus,

(01:10:13):
just one dude, and they have completely bastardized the technologies
that he created. Everything is supposed to be coming from
a single material that is being worked on, and the
minerals are supposed to be coming from the thing that's
being worked on, not you know, bastardized petrochemical wastes that

(01:10:33):
are you know, synthesized and other things in order to
be able to elicit an effect. It's like when we
use nature, we get a much better effect. And he
has a very pure method of doing that. So bringing
that into the light of modern day is probably one
of my greatest passions. And because my work differs so
much from Paracelsus work by term you know, terminology and

(01:10:57):
technologies that have you know, come to write since the
fifteen thirties and other things, we've decided to call this
auralians Bageeria, again, just naming it after myself, Phoenix Aurelia.
So so that's one thing, and then the other thing
that I focus on is alchemiculture, which is a broad
and very encompassing sociological application of alchemy that applies to

(01:11:22):
our entire culture as human beings. And so we focus
on areas like you know, politics and governance and the
ideas of like rulership, and what are the alchemical principles
behind that, or how can we utilize alchemical principles in
order to create more better systems or systems that are

(01:11:42):
more perfect than what we have at present and just
kind of lead us to the next evolution. And so
we apply this to just about every aspect of human existence.
And I've been researching this for at least since twenty twelve.
But it's also a huge passion of mine and something
that I love to teach about. So that's those are
the main things that I do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I think a good place to start would be a
little refresher on the difference between alchemy and the modern
practice of how we produce pharmaceuticals in modern medicine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Sure. Yeah, So again, I want to address this from
the perspective of like Paracelsian alchemy, because he revolutionized alchemy,
and pretty much all alchemical practices since that time have changed.
If we look at it before Paracelsus, there were entirely
different theories and cosmologies extending all the way back to

(01:12:39):
far ancient Egypt that we have written records of at
any rate. So with that being said, yeah, alchemy's whole basis,
when you look at it as objectively as possible, is
that everything is in a constant state of transformation. Modern science,
you know, and science classes we learned that energy has
neither created nor just desroid, that energy is only changing form.

(01:13:03):
And if we were to say change form, the another
word that we can use is transform. So if energy
is constantly transforming and nothing stays the same, then and
alchemy is the art and science of transformation, then kind
of understanding alchemy gives us an understanding to everything and
how it's working, where it's at now, where it was

(01:13:24):
coming from, and where it's going. When we apply this
to medicine, we have to take a look at the
evolution of the natural material or materials that we're trying
to elicit a medicinal response from. And the idea within
the alchemical paradigm since the time of Pythagoras has essentially been,

(01:13:44):
at least in the West, has been that we as
human beings are kind of the pinnacle of creation here
on earth because everything else as you go down the
chain is more pure in its essence, but it's less
complex in its constitution. So like if we take a

(01:14:05):
look at a metal, metals are literally only just one
style of atom, and there's usually a couple of different atoms.
You know, they're not usually just monoatomic. They're like diatomic, triatomic,
or the multi atomic we can say. And when you
take a look at their crystalline patterns, they have very
specific crystalline patterns to that metal based on the way

(01:14:28):
that the metal forms. But at its basis, it's just
one atom. It's just one type of intelligence, one elemental form.
Of intelligence, and so they're very very pure, but they're
not very complex. Eventually, metals get acted upon by say,
you know, oxygen, and they turn into oxides, or they
get acted upon by carbon and they turn into carbonates

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or nitrogen get you know, turned into nitrates or nitrites,
and so on and so forth. In those form minerals.
Minerals now have two of these atomic forms in them,
and so they're still very pure, but they're less pure
than metals. And then when you go into the vegetable kingdom,
and then the animal kingdom, and then eventually into the
human kingdom, we continue to see that we are less

(01:15:13):
and less pure the more evolved the life form is.
But it's far more complex, with human beings being the
most complex. But because we're at that complexity, that vast complexity,
we are composed of all of nature, and we contain
all of nature within us. We need with the exception
of maybe mercury, like we need lead, we need arsenic,

(01:15:35):
We need all of these substances inside of us in
addition to you know, magnesium and calcium and huge supplies
and you know, chloride and sodium and all of these
other different types of elements and minerals, and we eat
the plants, and we eat the animals, and we eat
you know, all of the other things in nature. They
are a part of us. Their intelligence is contained within us.

(01:15:58):
And the idea really behind alchemical healing is that each
of those things in nature has a certain elemental balance
to them, a certain type of composition of fire, air, water,
and earth. Is the way it was conceived of before
the time of Paracelsus. After Paracelsus, he said that everything
has a balance of sulfur, mercury and salt, or soul,

(01:16:20):
spirit and body, and that we can draw upon all
of these other things from nature that we're composed of
and be able to purify through the alchemical arts, their soul,
their spirit, and their body or these four elemental forms,
depending on you know, which branch of alchemy and that
you practice, and what type of philosophies you want to use,

(01:16:44):
but that we are able to call upon these things
and use the alchemical arts to purify them in order
to bring the body back into balance. Now this stands
at a vast opposition to the pharmaceutical route, which is
to say that the body is just biomechanical. It's a
very Newtonian stand point, and it's like cause and effect,
and if you have this thing, then this thing has

(01:17:07):
the chemicals that you might be lacking or can trick
the body into thinking that it has these things, et cetera.
And you begin to just create substances to try and
create a biomechanical change in the organism. There's no spirit involved,
there's no soul involved. In fact, what ends up happening

(01:17:29):
a lot of times is that anytime that you synthesize something,
the moment that something is in flux. And this is
something that I have been able to see and I
can demonstrate to people in the laboratory when something is
in flux, Like if we take alcohol, we apply heat
that turns that thing into flux because the alcohol that
was liquid is now able to become as buoyant as

(01:17:49):
air and rise as a vapor and in that moment
that it is rising from its vapor estate or condensing
back into a liquid, either of those points. It is
highly impressionable to the thoughts, to the emotions to cosmic forces,
which you know people are like, oh, cosmic forces, but
literally I'm talking about electromagnetic signatures here that are present

(01:18:13):
from the stars that are reaching us if we can
see their light, and we're limited to the electromagnetic spectrum
with our vision. Even there are all sorts of different
types of forces that are at play all the time,
and these forces are able to imbue themselves into things
that are in a state of flux. And when the
fontutical industry hires people who are they don't care if

(01:18:36):
the technician is having a day or doing this or whatever.
They're just forcing chemical flux to happen and changing and
synthesizing substances. And when you do that, those emotions, those thoughts,
those frequencies, those entities quite literally are able to make
their way in there. And so we see the highest

(01:18:57):
instance actually of like possession from people who are taking
pharmaceutical medications, largely because of the environment that they're created
in and the lack of awareness of these spiritual and
soul based types of frequencies and how they interact with matter.
So alchemy is a very multi dimensional and holistic way

(01:19:19):
of approaching health and wellness, utilizing the soul, the spirit,
and the body in these different forms of consciousness of
all materials in nature. Whereas when we're just doing pharmaceuticals,
we're just trying to do elicit a biomechanical approach, and
it's oftentimes bastardized missing from my perspective two thirds of
the important equation of our entire humanity and reality.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Now, you said something very intriguing that I want to
dive deeper into. Is that things that we're working with,
whether it's scientific or medical or alchemical, things that we're
creating ourselves, our state of mind, our state of emotion
is a extremely important to be a good one whenever

(01:20:04):
we're working with this, because we can release some of
these energies or like you say, entities into the product
that we are trying to create.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's you know, I think that if there's
just like one really important thing that I could impart
onto people, it's that thing. Like you know, and all
of us actually have experience with this, we just don't
like tie it into everything else. We're just not putting
two and two together. Like when you were sick, Mom

(01:20:35):
may have made you some chicken soup, and when she
did that, she wasn't just like completely stressed and pissed
and whatever else. She's thinking about your wellness and trying
to get you it's like it's a sacrifice of love
that is going into that chicken soup. Now, whether the
chicken itself was sourced really well or can cause cellular

(01:20:56):
inflammation or whatever else takes background, that's not the precedent here,
because it's the energy that went into the thing that
is actually healing us on some degree, regardless of the
physical materials that actually go into it. Because again we're
multidimensional beings. You know, we have a spiritual body, We

(01:21:17):
have this causal body. We have an astral body that
is kind of composed of the mental and the emotional,
and then we have an etheric body, which is purely
electromagnetic interface. It's a piezo electric interface that exists throughout
our entire fascia inside of our network, our physiological network.
And then we have a physical body that is just

(01:21:37):
you know, atoms and molecules and tissues and cells and
so on and so you know, organs and so on
and so forth. And physical stuff affects the physical body,
emotional stuff affects the emotional portion of our astral body,
and the thoughts affect the astral the mental part of
our astral body. The geometries, the crystallizations, the coherence, the

(01:21:59):
cause and effect, the affect, the causal plane, and the
sense of oneness and our connection back to the source
of all creation. However we want to conceive of that,
there's no right or wrong way. There's myriad ways of
looking and philosophizing about that. But our connection to that
is what ties us back into spiritual well being. And

(01:22:20):
so when mom is making these things, she has the
emotional resonance of God, I'd hate my baby to be sick,
you know, and the mental concept of I need my
baby to be well, and the physical, you know, healing
stuff that goes in it. You know, you all of
your carrots that have carotenoids and beta carotene and stuff
like that, and you know celery that has these things

(01:22:43):
that reduce cellular inflammation, the bone broth that is from
boiling the whole chicken down, if you know, if she
wasn't just making it with chicken breast, maybe even the
homemade noodles, and the love that goes into that and
all these other things. So it's it's approaching us on
the multi dimensional level. And so cooking and you know,

(01:23:04):
kitchen witchery is oftentimes the way that I discuss and
teach about that from a kind of a more entertaining view.
These days, those types of things are really critical because
we have the ability to imbue things during the state
of that boil, that flux again that that material is
going through. Same thing with making infusions and teas and
whatever else. But when we engage in alchemy, we're not

(01:23:26):
just eliciting a small change, we're eliciting a whole progressive
series of changes, so that the material that we started
with is no longer even recognizable in its energetics or
its capacity, because we've extracted the soul, the spirit, and
the body of these materials and perfected each of those
and then recombined it back together. So at its lowest sense,

(01:23:50):
it is now an exalted form of what it initially was,
and at its greatest potential, it is entirely transformed to
such a degree that you can't even tell that it
would have come from that initial material.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
So, now going deeper into the materials that you're utilizing,
you mentioned several times the spirit of this material, and
the more collectively that we understand about the nature of reality,
the more we understand that everything has a level of consciousness.
Maybe you could give us some examples of that. I mean,

(01:24:23):
it's pretty obvious with the animal kingdom with humans that
there's consciousness there, But even with plants and minerals.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Is that right? Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, so, you know,
for instance, you know, like you, like you mentioned with
plants and animals, we can really tell that there is
sentience there. And we would refer to that form of
consciousness as the sulfur of the material, the soul of

(01:24:51):
the material, and that soul really has two different grades
or two different forms. There's one that's called the volatile
sulfur or volatile soul, and in modern metaphysics this would
kind of be referred to as the higher self. It
is the aspect of us that perhaps exists in the
subconscious and unconscious components that just gives us our talents

(01:25:12):
and our interests, Like why are you interested in the
occult and in metaphysics and things like You may not
necessarily have a conscious answer for that, it's just an
inherent talent. It's an inherent interest that you have. And
these are the things that are constantly guiding us, and
they are oftentimes tied into the causal plane as the
purpose of our existence. And we all have this higher

(01:25:36):
aspect of us that if we're able to align our
bodies and our lower sulfur, our fixed sulfur is what
we call that together and animate all of these things
with our spiritual energy, our disciplines, our actions on the
day to day, then we will be able to have
that effect that we were designed to be able to

(01:25:56):
have throughout the course of our lifetime. The fixed sulfur
is more of like the color of our skin, the
tone of our voice, the color of our hair and
our eyes, the way that we dress, the way that
we come across, the types of words that we use
to express ourselves. See these that are not necessarily physical things,

(01:26:17):
but they can be physical things. They're tied into our physicality,
but they shape how people perceive us, how we perceive ourself,
and how we express ourself. And for the most part,
these things are largely conscious. And so we have these
two different aspects of our soul that are constantly dynamically
at play, and our emotions. The way that we express

(01:26:40):
our emotions and things like that. All of that is
kind of part of the soul resonance of a species.
When we take a look at vegetable materials, we see
that same thing, but just in a way that is
not as relatable from the human experience as it is
when we look at animals. Animals and humans share a
lot of similarities in those ways. If we're hungry and

(01:27:03):
people get in the way between us and our food,
we might get angry, right, we might get pissed, we
might attack like that's a very animalistic type of behavior
that carries over into the human realm. With plants, they
look at things a whole lot differently, especially with trees.
They're all about the sharing of resources and the benefit
of the entirety of the plant kingdom as a whole

(01:27:24):
that are living there, and they work so symbiotically with
fungi and bacteria and archaea and these other different forms
of microbiological life forms that they're much more universally tied in.
We could argue that they have a greater deal of
spirit within them as a result of that. And of course,
as you know, they're taking our exhalations of carbon dioxide

(01:27:45):
and carbon based things, and they're constantly breathing that in
and transforming it back into oxygen. They're literally spiriting the
entire earth for us. Trees are, and so with trees especially,
we can see that they have very particular signatures in
their fixed sulfur, Like what differentiates an oak tree from

(01:28:06):
a hawthorn tree, Like, well, we can look at the bark,
we can look at the leaves and their shape, we
can look at how tall they grow, what types of
fruits that they might bear, so on and so forth,
and there are clearly differences there. So they too have
a fixed sulfur, and they also have a volatile sulfur,
which is to say, like a purpose for their existence,
and their purpose is totally different too. An oak tree

(01:28:29):
is meant to be the pinnacle of the expression of
healthy forests. Old and advanced forested lands will eventually be oaks.
Primarily they'll be oak, they'll be maple, they'll be hard woods.
Younger forests are going to have much softer wood trees
that are not so much at the pinnacle, but they're
still very important. But they're like evergreen trees like pines

(01:28:52):
and cedars and junipers and things like that. And so
you can see that there is an evolution of the
entire ecology from a forestry type of perspective, and as
that whole land mass, that whole forested area kind of
goes through its evolutions, eventually its crowning aspect will be
the oaks. And oaks are amazing because they actually attract

(01:29:14):
lightning to them, and they utilize that lightning that strikes them,
they don't get too terribly damaged. They're able to put
all of that electricity into the ground in order to
be able to animate the ground and to provide nitrogen
and healthy effects. And then from there they utilize our
friends the fungi to be able to spread that through

(01:29:34):
entire forested networks and areas of ecology that are surrounding
as well. So you know the plants that definitely have this.
And when we take a look at like the difference
between say even members of the same family like lemon
balm and say spearmint, they taste different, they might look different,
they have some certain characteristic similarities, but they have entirely

(01:29:57):
different healing properties to them as well. And so their personalities,
their talents, their interests are different, and their interests are
different based on the areas that they grow in, what
they want to grow in, and what the prime conditions
for their growth are, and their interests. Their talents are
also different in like the way that they smell, and

(01:30:18):
how they interact. You know, part of the reason there's
all this research these days, Chris about you know, if
you go out into the forest, you're less likely to
be depressed because the forest has all of these chemicals
that are working on you. Well, part of that actually
is the volatile aromatic compounds, you know, essential oils or
terpenes however you want to call that, and other VOCs

(01:30:38):
that are vacs that are evaporating constantly from the plants
just by ambiental heat and humidity, and they are entering
into the atmosphere. Now we are smelling those and identifying
them chemically, but they are to the plants, those are
their hormones and their pheromone, and they are using those

(01:31:01):
to connect with other plants and other things in that network.
And when we interface with those things, they actually we
breathe them in, they get into our bloodstream, and then
they actually change us. They change our entire psychological and
physiological composition. Essential oils, there's a lot of research showing
how they impact the limbic brain, which ties us into

(01:31:24):
our memories and our traumas and lots of other things
like that. So the plants definitely have their own expressions,
and so do minerals. Minerals are even more dense than
plants are. But they also have their own spirits and
they have their own purposes, like, for instance, gold has
an untarnishable capacity to it, like you can soak it

(01:31:46):
in water for as long as you want, you can
put it into most solvents. Even there's only a few
solvents that will actually dissolve gold, one of those being
metallic mercury, another one being called aqua regia. There's not
many others. There is also like antimony, pentachloride, and a
couple of others that are created that can dissolve gold,
but there's not that many of them. And then you

(01:32:07):
know silver, on the other hand, which is also a
beautiful and noble metal, when we stick that out in
the rain or expose it to oxygen, it starts to
tarnish and it changes. So they also have particular talents
where they can be used and places where maybe they're
not so great to be used. And they also have
specific interests like where they grow and under what geological

(01:32:31):
conditions they're going to grow, and whether they're going to
make veins of something or whether they're going to crystallize
with another type of formation, Like you'll oftentimes find lead
and quartz and gold all in the same types of
areas because they like the same types of conditions. And
you know that lead is very heavy and it can

(01:32:54):
just be melted with a basic lighter or a candle heat.
You don't need a whole lot to be able to
refine let, whereas gold definitely requires a lot more skill
and higher temperature capacity and better smelting technologies than say
lead or mercury or tin might. So they definitely have

(01:33:14):
their own talents and their own interests. We just have
to be able to see and perceive that from the
perspective of the material itself as we can observe it
from our state of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Right on, I think there's a great segue into alchemiculture
and what this is tell us all about this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Yeah, so alchemic culture is basically taking the universal concepts
of alchemy and being able to apply it to human civilization,
human culture, and creating a culture of alchemists. So alchemic
culture and the idea was really for me. It started

(01:33:54):
off agriculturally, because when we take a look at say
permaculture principles, we can see that permaculture isn't just an
agricultural philosophy. It's something that is more of a philosophy
that can be applied to a wide scope of human
interactions where we're creating closed loop systems. If I had
to like really summarize what permaculture is, it would be

(01:34:18):
like creating closed loop systems so that cause and effect
or supply and demand are all innertied into the production
of what we're doing from just about any angle, whether
that's you know, I need this type of material for
my garden, say some sort of fertilizer. Well, where do

(01:34:40):
you get that fertilizer. Well, if it can grow in plants,
and plants can bioaccumulate the material that you need, then
you can grow that on your own land. And now
that material that you have can be grown as part
of the solution to what you actually need. And so
you're closing the loop. You're stopping the necessity to import
another materi from another location. And long before permaculture was

(01:35:03):
ever a phrase or a thing, Rudolph Steiner, in his
Agricultural Lessons, wrote a lot about this, and that has
kind of come to be known as biodynamics and so
my interest in agriculture started with biodynamics, and then eventually,
you know, I became savvy into permaculture, and so all
of these things were truths that I was seeing play

(01:35:24):
out inside of my agricultural space. And that's kind of
where the concept was is, Oh, what if I utilize
alchemy to be able to exalt the types of fertilizers
that I'm making that I'm growing on my own land,
Or what if I utilize alchemical principles to actually grow
my garden and to take care of it, like at

(01:35:46):
the end of every season, instead of just allowing everything
to decompose, what if I selectively take the things like
the great branches, for instance, that are much more woody
and take a long time to decompose, or you know,
some of the trees that I have to compass, like
a Chinese elm for instance, which is considered an invasive thing.
Those have a ton of cellulose and a ton of

(01:36:07):
fiber and things that don't decompose so terribly easily inside
of the soil. So what if I take those and
instead of applying the process of fermentation and allowing them
to break down by anaerobic microbes inside of the soil.
What if I take those in a calcine those instead
and get their ash and distribute a liquid. Take that

(01:36:29):
ash and utilize the alchemical process, like be able to
dissolve that ash inside of water and to purify that
ash and get the potassium minerals that are locked up
inside of there as pure form and homeopathically disperse that
over the entire garden area. What happens to the overall
ecology as I do that? And what I started to

(01:36:50):
notice a season after season was that my ecological conditions
in that garden space were changing. What I was capable
of growing started to and this would create little microclimates
within the garden itself, like micro micro climates where suddenly
I was able to, in the hot deserts of Utah,

(01:37:11):
be able to grow watermelons in certain areas of my
garden effortlessly because the conditions for that particular growth and
expression of plant consciousness was ideally prime. I had transformed
the soil from wanting to grow natural sagebrush and say,
desert yarrow and you know all these other things, to

(01:37:31):
now being able to grow plants that would thrive in places,
say like Georgia or Louisiana or Florida, Right, So it
was just an evolution. That's kind of where the inspiration
came from. And as I continued to apply that to
other systems, I was taking a look at our sociology
and I remember that, you know, there were a ton

(01:37:54):
of revolts in Egypt back roughly two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine type of timeframe, and they were
starting things on fire, and there was all this revolt
and I was like, ah, Anger, like this, this relates
to the process of calcination. It's like being angry about
something to the point where you're so fed up that
you have no other way to deal with the material

(01:38:16):
besides instilling or creating a crisis. And when you create crisis,
crisis ultimately leads the material to some sort of change.
And if you know how to guide it properly without
chemical principles, you can guide it to an exalted form
of whatever you know x material was that caused the
crisis in the first place, or you can transform it

(01:38:39):
entirely by having it now operate on a whole new
octave and leaving the technology, the ideas, the philosophies, whatever
it was that instilled that crisis in the first place,
behind and operating on a whole new framework of mental
capacity and of philosophy around something. And so I started
taking a look at this and applying it to philosophy

(01:39:00):
and to human civilization, realizing like, wow, this is a really,
really potent concept. And over time I kind of started
creating principles of the major seven areas of humanity that
we can transform if we apply all chemical principles to
it and consciously instill a crisis, not the way that

(01:39:22):
you know, like create the crisis and manufacture the solution.
That's not what I'm talking about that is used for
deliberate control of rather uninformed mask but instead on a
personal level, and that resonates up to the sociological you know,
It's like, on your personal level you change things. Other

(01:39:44):
people are naturally going to observe what you have been
able to change, what you've done for yourself. They're gonna
want a piece of that. They'll ultimately ask you, like,
what are you doing that helped you do that? You
become an inspiration not because you're seeking to be one,
just because what you did itself speaks for itself, and
that inspires your neighborhood or your family or whatever else

(01:40:05):
to want to do a similar thing. And so this
transformational effect is almost kind of contagious. And if we
start on personal level and fix these aspects of ourselves,
namely our traumas that are holding us back and keeping
us in lower you know, I hate to sound too
metaphysically cliche these days, but holding us into lower vibrational

(01:40:26):
states of consciousness, then it creates this cascade effect to
our external surroundings. And once our personal lot, our personal
traumas are kind of dealt with, then we all have
a whole lot more energy and effort to think about
the next step of our humanity, which is is my

(01:40:46):
community well taken care of? And what is my role
inside of my community? You know, we're not just struggling
to get by day by day. We have the energy
to think about larger and more complex things. And once
we handle that, then it's like, oh, my community is
really well taken care of. How do I think about
my district level, how do I think about my you know,

(01:41:07):
state level, how do I think about my country level,
my continent level, my you know, hemispheric level, my global level, whatever.
And so we're able to constantly move forward. But it
all starts with that kind of personal change. And so
the aspects of our thinking and our rationale and our
traumas that prevent those larger pictures from being even thought

(01:41:31):
about or philosophized about or worked with in any real
and tangible way, they start on that personal level. And
if we can utilize alchemy to be able to transform
or at least exalt our potential, then we have an
amazing opportunity in front of us. And so that's kind
of my contribution to how I would like to influence

(01:41:56):
the world or change the world, or you know, my
own solution to it. I suppose.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Well, I would love to hear those seven methods that
you were briefly discussing a minute ago.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Yeah, so I don't have them all right off the
top of my head. Let me just try and pull
up my website and see what all we have here. Okay,
here they are. So the seven core aspects of humanity
that I've drafted out. The first one and possibly the

(01:42:29):
most important one because it connects us into our spiritual selves.
Again at the top of our multi dimensional kind of
chain of command is human cosmology and philosophy. How do
we view and how do we philosophize about the world
around us and what our role in it is. And
you know, so many people for ages now, especially since

(01:42:51):
the advent of the Enlightenment period of European history, we're
always asking like, well, what is the purpose of humanity?
That's something that we can't really answer because that's an
individual thing. What is the purpose of each individual's life?
That again cannot effectively be answered. That has to be

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subjectively answered by the individual, And so the individual has
to be able to identify what their life is, what
the purpose of their life really is, and that is
I think the most core aspect of change in thinking
that we could possibly wrap our minds around. And if

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we are subscribing to self limiting beliefs, and oftentimes you know,
dare I say, religious beliefs that have been manufactured for us,
then we are limiting ourselves massively because a thought is
very very malleable. We can take thoughts and ideas and
they're malleable and they're subject to change with experience, right,

(01:43:56):
so you know, we're not locking something in. But if
I take a look at a table and I say, well,
that table is a turtle, and I believe that it's
a turtle because there's four legs to it and it
has a hard back, and turtles have four legs and
they have a hard back. I can force myself, based
on limited evidence and experience, to believe that that table

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is a turtle. But if I just have an idea
about it, then I can keep exploring and I can
keep examining because there's no sense of emotional certainty about
what I know nothing about, which is really what a
belief is a sense of emotional certainty around something we
know very little about. So people might believe there is

(01:44:40):
a higher power, they might believe that there is an afterlife,
they might believe all these things. Now, whether that's true
or not is not the point. The concept is, if
you tie yourself into a belief, you're only allowed to
go so far with that belief before it shatters your
consciousness at a certain point, you know a certain point,
and if you break through your own beliefs, you're going

(01:45:03):
to have some sort of psychological split because you have
placed so much emotional certainty into that thing that you
knew very little about that once you have a different experience,
it has to like all of your emotions get questioned
and it can create some psychosis. Actually, but with thoughts
and ideas, we don't have that. The mental plane is

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very very flexible that way that we can go up
to that thing that we thought was a turtle and
we can say, well, you know what, this doesn't actually
eat and it's not moving even slowly, so this is
probably not a turtle. And oh, actually it's made out
of wood or it's made out of metal, and you know,
all these other turtles are not made out of that.
And so we can have experiences that are constantly changing

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and shaping our ideas and our thoughts around something without
having to place any emotional sense of certainty around it.
And so I've often been quoted as saying that beliefs
are really only good for the insane, because we can
have a lot of ideas about things and we don't
need to know that something is that particular way, especially

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on limited series of data. The more data that we collect,
the better understanding about something that we will have. And
we have to remember that it's all about perspective, right.
We can only see things from our own perspective, from
our own limited sense of self experience, and so as
we listen to others about their data points, then we

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can gain a more comprehensive view about something. And when
we take this into the human sociological context of our
philosophies and cosmologies, there have been so many beautiful philosophies
and so many beautiful cosmologies that have existed and continue
to exist in some that are being created in this

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very moment, that if we look at all of these
and try and find the lowest common denominators between them,
then we can and say it stands to reason, based
on our experience at present, that these are the things
that are the most perennial to the human experience. Let
us focus on these things. We might have beliefs still,
if we want them, that's fine, but let us put

(01:47:16):
those in the background and focus on these core things
that are the most universal, the most perennial to our
human experience. And so that's where the application of alchemy
needs to be applied on a personal level to first
get through our beliefs. And the beliefs that are the
most hazardous are the self limiting beliefs, right, and those

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form our cosmology and our philosophy as individuals massively. And
so if we can transform those. Then that gives us
an idea to look at. The next step is like,
what does my surrounding community mostly look at or believe
or whatever. And again, we can roast those and break
those down and transform all of those types of things,
and it just keeps going up. So that's the first one.

(01:48:00):
The next one that impacts us all is law and justice, right,
like what is law? There's all these courses that are
coming out that It's like, there's natural law, and natural
law does this, and they're basing it on a lot
of this is like tying back to hermetics, but not

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sound hermetics. They're basing it on the Kabalion of all
things that could possibly be considered hermetic God. I hate
the Kabalion for this because it posted itself in the
in the nineteenth century and early twentieth century ocult revival.
It posted itself is like laws, you know, hermetic laws.

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There's no such thing as hermetic laws like that, like
the law of gender is not an actual law. There
are lots of things that do not have gender. There
are lots of things in existence that aren't just human
that don't abide by those laws, So those can't be laws.
Laws objectively speaking, or things that are universal and perennial

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to all forms of creation. And so when we are
taking a look at human laws, we have to realize
that if we were only to follow the laws that
apply to all of creation, that's not enough for our
sociological or individual needs, because there needs to be some
form of subjective protection for people who are, say, at

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risk of being violated in one way or the other.
And violation is part of what happens in nature, right,
Like do you think the gazelle just asks to be
taken down by the lion? Like, it's not like that.
There's a certain thing that says if you're weak, if
you're young, if you are less physiologically adapt than the predator,

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then the predator will be able to devour you. That
is a lot. But do we demand that everybody in
our human society is just so strong that they can't
be subject to predators? I mean, that's an ideal, but
is that realistic? My answer for that is no, it's not.
So we do have to be able to subjectively create laws,
and that's a whole purpose for the invention of laws

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at its root. Now, that's not saying all of the
adulterations that have happened with law as a result, because
those are adulterations of the legal system. But law is
very important and justice, justice as a perennial virtue to humanity,
is very important, and justice needs to be balanced, just

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like it is in Cabalah and the Tree of life.
It's balanced between mercy on one hand and severity on
the other hand. And too much severity without mercy is cruelty,
and too much mercy without severity is weakness. And somewhere
between there exists the sense of justice. And this is

(01:50:57):
where the concept of the punishment fit the crime really
needs to be taken deeply into consideration. But I think
you know, there was an idea and I learned this.
I don't know how our legal system got so far away,
but I learned that very from very young age, that
our rights as individuals end when we and our actions,

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our thoughts, our behaviors, et cetera, impose upon the rights
of other individuals. And if we could get back to
this kind of perennial basis, then we would be able
to sort out a lot of legal things and law
based things pretty easily and pretty well inside of our humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
I think yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
So yeah, anyway, that's that's the second thing.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
I think this is brilliant, And I'm so glad that
you really put time and effort into constructing these thoughts
and putting them out there, because you're right, we've absolutely
last sight of how our society is supposed to work
on so many different levels, especially when it comes to
law and justice, like you were just saying, and those

(01:52:09):
concepts make too much sense, and it'd be it'd be
ridiculous not to to to take a deeper look into
some of these things, because it seems like that our
ancient ancestors probably had a great grasp on how these
things worked and were able to utilize them in harmony

(01:52:32):
with not only the way their societies were, but with
the way that they interacted with nature and everything around them.
So I love what you I love what we're getting into.
And let's let's hear the rest of them.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Okay, cool, Yeah, And you're right, and I think, especially
as it pertains to law and justice, part of what
worked for our ancient ancestors was because they didn't have
conglomerate empires like we have had since the time of
Persia and Rome. And you know, ancient Greece and things

(01:53:07):
like that. They weren't trying to rule huge land masses.
Especially when we take a look at like Native American
tribes or Native People's, indigenous peoples just about anywhere in
the world. It's on a tribal level, and so they
have their personological things down enough within the context of
their society, and their society is small enough that they
can realize, like everything actually works for us if we

(01:53:28):
do this, and if we violate these things, then our
society doesn't work. And when we try to impose that
upon such a huge land mass and millions billions of people,
that can't work because we are all so different as individuals.
We have to be able to find what the context
is for our own working and so creating micro government,

(01:53:52):
micro sectors of you know, districts however you want to
call it, of humanity right now and decentralizing is, as
far as I can tell, the only solution that nature
and our own humanity in our history gives us to
being able to find good solutions. We can't create broad

(01:54:14):
solutions for everybody because that just doesn't work. Okay, So
the next point economics and currency. We say, oh, if
everybody just traded. That would be great, Like we could
just barter. But you know, let's say that I'm the
cobbler and you're the farmer, and you're producing food for
me all year long, and I'm just producing shoes for

(01:54:35):
you two to three times a year. Is that fair?
It's really hard to say. To me, I would say, well,
as a farmer, I'm putting in a whole lot more
work than what you're doing as a cobbler, But I
need to do this. So the concept of barter and
trade doesn't always work one hundred percent, but it's a
big part of a larger and more holistic spectrum of

(01:55:00):
economics that can be incorporated. But we can't just rely
on it. And so you know, when people try and
oversimplify the economic system or how currencies work, or even
why currencies exist, they fall short ninety percent of the
time in my opinion of what the perennial principles are,
and the perennial principles are to be able to amass resources,

(01:55:23):
to be able to afford the things that you need
for your survival, your family survival, your community survival, your
government survival, et cetera. However, big that goes up on
the evolutionary scale. We need to be able to think
about the perennial basis of currency because we have based
it on gold. And you know, people can disagree with

(01:55:46):
me on this, and sometimes I disagree with myself on this.
I don't have a belief around it, but I find
it very interesting that, you know, we have these early
Mesopotamian concepts of on Unaki or these watchers that had eventually,
you know, kind of enslaved humanity for the purpose of

(01:56:07):
mining gold so that they could create an artificial atmosphere
for their own planet. Now, whether that has any substantial
basis in truth or not is not my point. It's
that that story and that mythos is very important and
it still lives very deeply inside of the subconscious of
humans today. Like we talk about most of the economists
that I know, alternative economists are like, well, let's back

(01:56:29):
things up with gold. Now I know what to do
with gold. Gold and gold making is good for making
medicine that is able to heal the soul and get
rid of our sense of corruptibility within the human paradigm.
We can also get rid of many different cancers with
say a rum botobile, which is the potable gold or

(01:56:50):
drinkable gold. We can also make several different forms of
medicine that can work on soul, spirit and body with gold.
Aside from that, people don't know what to do with
gold besides, you know, make jewelry or you know, something else.
And that ornament is really just a sign of status
within society and it's meaningless. It is so meaningless. So

(01:57:13):
why would we back something up with gold? Something that
is heavy, something that takes up a lot of space
to store, something that is relatively difficult to smelt and refine.
These concepts just don't make sense. But there's somewhere deep
inside of our subconscious as individuals, I would advocate that
we need to start taking a look at our resources.

(01:57:34):
Gold may be one of those resources for ornamental purposes,
or for religious purposes, or you know, metaphorical purposes or whatever,
but it's not the main one. I think that you know,
none of us. They never said, you know, the army
crawls on its belly for gold. No, It's like, we
need food. Food is the thing that makes all things tick.

(01:57:55):
And if we don't have sustenance, we can't continue living.
And so when we get right down again to the
very basis of our humanity. What do we need to have.
We need to have clean air, We need to have
clean water, we need to have clean soil. Those are
the three main forces that are absolutely necessary for the
production of food and for the production of healthy humanity.

(01:58:19):
Because the more toxins that we have, the more disease
incidents of disease that we have, the more incidents of
death and comorbidity, co morbidity and other different types of
concepts like this, they just perpetuate the less clean things are.

(01:58:40):
So if we can focus on currency really being, how
clean is our environment, how clean is our food, How
clean is our water, how clean is our air? The
things that make all things tick. How rich are we
in abundant resources, how much forested area are we able
to create or reforest in order to to give life

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to wild animals? And how many animals can we steward
inside of this area sustainably in order to create the
best biodiversity possible and ensure the food networks not just
for us, but for them, because all of them have
an intricate place inside of ecology that are able to
balance and speak to various aspects of well being, and

(01:59:22):
the greater the well being of our ecology, the greater
the well being of ourselves. Because we derive our food
and our sustenance from the ecology entirely, we are not
separate from it. We are one with it, and so
we have to be able to value those things. And
when we talk about value, that is when we are
talking about money. That's when we're talking about currency. We

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place value on money, We place value on currency. The
physical value system that makes things tick really is that,
and so economics and currency need to be intertwined. And
like I said, you know, my thing is as far
as I can get, as deep as I've been able
to go with this over the past twelve or so

(02:00:05):
years now, we've really got to focus on our ecology
and our natural resources of each and every individual area
and realize how sustainable or unsustainable it is for human
existence and for other existence like animal existence or forest
existence to exist in that area. Like I would not

(02:00:26):
advocate going to the Sahara Desert and trying to reforest
that area because it is a desert for a reason.
But when we take areas like around the Great Lakes
region or other things that were forested we can actually
not only reforest big portions of those areas, but we
can also help to evolve the natural state of those forests.

(02:00:48):
Kind of like what I was referring to earlier is
that a really young forest is oftentimes pine trees and
evergreens and things like that. And the further along that
the evolution of that system goes, you'll begin to see
more hardwood trees and so on and so forth. And
we can begin to with our technologies, sustainable technologies, all
chemical technology, to begin to steward that change and moving

(02:01:13):
it in the right direction, not only to fit our needs,
but the needs of a growing and evolving ecology as well.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
So, in other words, we need to become more like
the plants and trees and have this shared type of
ecosystem amongst us and share each other's resources in a
way that collectively benefits everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Well that's one option. I mean, what you're saying, if
I take that out of context, sounds strangely like socialism.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
Or constrct.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
And we don't want to go down that road because
that ignores what is important for the individual. And so
this is where our cosmology and our philosophy needs to
be taken care of first, and we need to realize
we like each step of these builds upon the last step,
and so these things need to stay. Like, for instance,

(02:02:03):
if we were like the trees and sharing all of
our resources because we wanted to and it was in
our best interest to do that, that's a good system.
But if we were doing that because we were forced to,
then that violates my second principle of our law and
justice and those rights that I have as an individual

(02:02:24):
being stepped upon. So we have to be able to
keep in mind what the right is but also what
our responsibility is, and when we can balance those things,
then we will naturally, I think, want to take care
of other folks to the best of our capacity. But again,
we have to kind of get out of our traumas first,

(02:02:44):
because traumas keep us just in a state of self
preservation and self survival. Once we're able to process those
things in real time, they our humanity opens up and
we become a lot more generous and a lot more
giving because we're not just focusing on ourselves. And you
can see, like when people deal with their traumas, their
first thing that they want to do is help other

(02:03:06):
people overcome their traumas. It's just the natural capacity of
what happens. It's like, oh I did this and this work.
Let me show you what I did and maybe that
will work for you type of thing. And so in
that way, we do begin sharing our resources, we do
begin sharing our things. So if we could become like
the trees, that would be really, really awesome. We're a

(02:03:28):
very far far way away from that. And we have
to realize too that we're some of us are going
to be the trees. Some of us are going to
be the brush, some of us are going to be
the grasses. Some of us are going to be the
subterranean tubers and roots and corns and rhizomes. Some of
us are going to be the microbes. See, that's the
diversity of ecology. And if we can find our spaces

(02:03:53):
and our talents, our interests are placed in society as
human beings, all of these roles will now truly be fulfilled.
But we have to get first through the traumas and
stop being a slave to you know, the corporate wage
and whatever else, in order to even think about what
will enliven us, you know, And so kind of preceding

(02:04:17):
all of these things is what I refer to as
the trans personal alchemical process, and that's where we apply
these alchemical steps first to ourselves to overcome these baser
traumas and self limiting beliefs and other things, so that
we can become as self aware as possible and move
in a direction that allows us to start to think
about these alchemic culture concepts. So you're not wrong, it's

(02:04:40):
just I'm not advocate advocating communism.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
So we've got about thirty minutes left. Let's briefly go
over the remainder of these principles that you're discussing, and
I want to close on what astronomology is.

Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
Okay, So, so the next one is citizenship and social dynamics.
What are our role within society? What is our role
as an individual citizen? And how do we choose to work,
you know, for the benefit of our society. The next
is agriculture and ecology. What is the role of agriculture
and ecology within any particular civilization or community or whatever,

(02:05:23):
Because it's going to be different. That is largely dependent
upon the bioregion. You know, the climate, the microclimates, the
you know, all those different things. They all come into play. There,
and so we need to think about how we can
steward those things as humans to create the best benefit possible.
And again that can tie it right back into how
resourceful is a particular area or location versus another area,

(02:05:47):
and how can you know how slash Why would we
choose to inhabit those areas or to focus on those
areas for living because right now it's mostly economically based.
People live in Los Angeles for economic reason or because
they were just born there and have no way of
getting out, But that in itself is an economic reason
in our current society. So otherwise we would want to

(02:06:10):
choose very deliberately why we want to live there, based
on our own purpose and our own society and so
on and so forth, and how we can contribute to
that with our own citizenship. The next is our sciences
and our technologies. This is important because you know, we're
using technologies and the sciences entirely irresponsibly. Actually we're just

(02:06:30):
developing for the sake of developing. We have to ask, yeah,
we can, like I know that the human capacity is yeah,
we can do anything individually, collectively, et cetera. But should
we and why should we? These things are so critical
to really explore not just personally, but collectively as well

(02:06:51):
before rolling out any sort of technology or engaging in
any sort of scientific inquiry into absolutely any area. And
so our sciences and technologies, which also tie into our
arts as well. Technology and art always go hand in hand.
Art usually pushes the boundaries of why technology is created

(02:07:12):
in the first place, because it's human beings pushing the
limit of their own creativity in their own imagination. That's
what gives rise to technology. So arts, sciences, technology, they
all kind of go hand in hand, but we need
to be able to steward those in a much better way.
And then, lastly, our healing and our medicine practices, what
does it look like for us, because you know, we're

(02:07:33):
already at the point where within five to ten years
there are going to be injections. I've been following the
science on this very intensely, that there will be injections
that we can do that are able to reverse the
aging process of the DNA and of the mitochondria. And
that's amazing for so many people. I mean, when you
could take Grandma who has been suffering for a long

(02:07:54):
time and reverse her aging process to the point where
she's now, say, twenty eight years old.

Speaker 2 (02:07:59):
Again.

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
Wow, that's a new lease on life, not just metaphorically,
like physically, and that brings with it all sorts of
wonderful or wonderful capacities and ideas, But it brings with
it an enormous way of responsibility. How are we going
to choose to live? How are we going to choose
to breed? What are the rules around that engagement, either

(02:08:22):
spoken or unspoken, and so on and so forth. So
we need to be able to think about these types
of things and what is ethical? What is the ideal
lifespan of a human individual? What is the ideal amount
of population that the ecology can serve? And see, all
the things need to be figured out personologically first, and

(02:08:42):
then we can think about it on these slightly more
telescopic levels. But each one of these principles that I
brought up builds upon the last, So that if you
build from the ground up, starting with that first principle
of our human cosmology, all the way up finally to
our health and wellness, then it gives us foundation to
draw up on, just like the science of geometry does.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:09:05):
It's like when we do proofs inside of geometry. We
are building upon logic that has already been pre established,
and that type of logic is also the same way
that I have tried to structure this alchemic culture system,
where do this first, then this, then this, and then
look backwards. When you're thinking about health and medicine, look
back to the ecology, what does your ecology actually support,

(02:09:26):
Look back to your economics. What do you do your
economics support? Because right now that answer is with that
injection the very rich, we'll be able to afford that technology.
And do we really want the very rich living longest?
Because they're oftentimes perpetuating the majority of the toxicity simply
in the name of profit. So they got where they're at,

(02:09:47):
but they've sacrificed so much of other people. They've you know,
sacrificed other people in ecology and et cetera, or to
be able to accomplish that. So that, in a nutshell
is basically al chemical ture philosophy right on, man.

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
I Love this discussion is stimulating all kinds of different
types of thoughts and concepts that we should be really
looking towards. Now. To close out, tell us all about
astronomology and the astromological calendar.

Speaker 3 (02:10:19):
Cool. Yeah, First of all, that is a hell of
a mouthful, isn't it. Yeah, okay, so astronomology was I
didn't create that term, but I have used it professionally.
That term was created before me. It was one of
those things where I thought I created it, and then
I look it up and it's like, oh, people have
already used that. But it's basically a blend of astronomy,

(02:10:45):
that's the astrono part and astrology, which is the ology
part of it. And so for me as an esotericist,
astrology has always been a very important part of the
hermetic parent time and as an alchemist, we would rarely
be anywhere without this history of astrology kind of following us.

(02:11:09):
But in my own workings, I have found that the
biodynamic calendar was far more correct than like the tropical
astrology that was used before the time of Paracelsus, and
even during the time Paracelsist didn't like to use astrology. Actually,
he said that astronomy was important in that we would
be able to see the actual planets in their positions.

(02:11:29):
So what he was referring to is like almost a
true astronomical alignment of things. But he still brought up
all of these concepts that were kind of astrological in nature,
even though he didn't like the astrology of the time
and spoke very outwardly against it. But other astrologers in
the Renaissance were very big on this, and you know,

(02:11:52):
of course today it's so popular that in the newspapers
and magazines you have horoscopes for people's sun science. But
the thing is is that all of those planets, whether
we're talking about veda ca astrology, which is a form
of siderial astrology, or whether we're talking about tropical astrology,
which is used by most astrologers in the United States

(02:12:13):
and abroad these days, they don't align whatsoever with the
actual planet. So we could say that like, oh, the
Sun is in Aries on March twentieth, Well, what does
that mean? Because when I take a look at the
position of the Sun around that time, it's actually still
very clearly in the constellation of Pisces. And what I

(02:12:36):
mean by that is that here in the background around
the ecliptic as we're looking in the sky, is the
constellation of Pisces, and the Sun is right in front
of that constellation. So that means the Sun is in Pisces.
But again, tropical astrologers are saying, well, no, it's actually
in Aries. But Aries is way over here, and the

(02:12:57):
Sun is not over there, it's over here. And so
I started to notice in my own astrological works, especially
engaging in biodynamic agriculture, that the Sun is actually not
where they were saying that it is. From an astronomical perspective,
And what does that mean? And what happens if I
align the positions of where I'm actually perceiving the Sun

(02:13:19):
to be from my topicentric perspective here on Earth and
where the constellations are, And what happens if I change
my perspective and say, instead of Sun and airy, sun
is actually in Pisces. And so this means that root
vegetables should ideally be planted at this particular time, or
that roots actually have the greatest vitality. And that's what

(02:13:42):
happens in the spring, is that the roots are waking
up inside of everything and they're starting to send their
energy outwards. And the Sun is all about the distribution
of vitality and energy, and it's exuding from the root
at the spring equinox. So to me, I've been able
to see that there is a different perspective there. So

(02:14:03):
I have combined astrology with astronomy, and the form of
astrology that I use was created by Athin Kamenti. A
lot of people have heard me exalt his virtues over
the years.

Speaker 1 (02:14:13):
I've had ethyn On a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (02:14:15):
Yeah, he's awesome. I love him. Can't speak highly enough
about him. So his astrology was the very first astrology form,
which he calls true sceterial astrology that I was able
to actually validate and verify through clinical studies on humans
as well as validate with my plants inside of my

(02:14:36):
gardens and by utilizing biodynamic principles Maria Tuon style biodynamic principles,
but with his count of the true serial astrological positions
of astronomical bodies. And what's interesting is his form is
even more accurate than the International Astronomical Union data, which
is looking at things from an astronomical perspective, and all

(02:14:58):
he's doing it's very simple system is you take the
end of one constellation along the ecliptic and the beginning
of the next, and this is derived from the last star,
the furthest star in one constellation Sa Pisces and the
first star of Ares, and he draws the midpoint between
those and he says, that's now the cusp And as

(02:15:21):
the planets go through the entire you know, ecliptic, which
is to say, all the different constellations, we realize that
there is actually thirteen of those, not just twelve, because
even though it's just the smallest little bit of the
foot of Ophiuchus that is along the ecliptic. And we

(02:15:42):
do have evidence that ancient cultures would have used this
as well, especially Greeks. Pre Ptolemaic Greeks would have definitely
used this. So I started validating a lot of his
research when I found his work and have been running
split tests on it ever since. And since twenty twenty two,
I have been creating the astronomyological calendars, which basically break

(02:16:07):
down the position of where all of the planets actually
are and in what actual constellations, and then combining that
with proper astronomy too, so letting people know you know,
when our eclipses and like today, for instance, the Earth
is at perihelion today, which means that the Earth is
the closest to the Sun that it will be all

(02:16:28):
year long, and so we include perihelion data and ap
helion data for not just Earth, but all of the planets.
We also give appage and paragee times for the moon,
and I lay out all six of the different lunar rhythms,
which is to say, waxing and waning cycles, the ascending

(02:16:51):
and descending moon cycles, ascending node and descending node cycles,
and it's the appogee and perag cycles. So much more so,
I have done my very best to be able to
take everything that can be validated and verified using alchemical
lab work and agriculture and put it into a style

(02:17:13):
of a calendar that can be used for Auralian spageria,
like the spagirics that I practice, are slightly different, even
if only technically in application and in pharmacology from what
is oftentimes being taught at Spageeria. That's why I gave
it the particular name or Aralians Spageeria, and for Aralian medicine,

(02:17:35):
which is the whole form of medicine that I've been creating,
and for alchemic culture principles as well, and so all
of those are there inside of my calendar, and it's
a huge undergoing. We only print off two hundred calendars
every year because it's not you know, this is the
third year that I will have been making this calendar,
and so it's not terribly terribly popular. There's a handful

(02:17:58):
of people across a globe using it, and it's only
good for the Northern hemisphere at that. So we have
some people in Europe and a decent amount of people
in North America that are using these calendars, but it's
less than two hundred people, you know what I mean,
at least in print version. You can get this in
pdf version on the website as well, but so yeah,

(02:18:19):
it's growing in popularity. And what I have encouraged people
to do is just like myself, I produce this thing.
It's enormously costly for me to print. It's enormously costly.
It takes me like four months to hand make this
calendar because I have to do everything date by date
by date and research and compare it to tons of
different types of things. But I encourage people to use

(02:18:44):
that and run split tests against biodynamic calendars or against
you know, like Llewellyn's calendar for Witches and you know
other things where they ask you do you think.

Speaker 1 (02:18:54):
It could possibly be our collective misunderstanding of astrology that
maybe is a contributing factor into the state of society
these days where we've been led wrong in some ways.
That was just a snowball effect over the centuries.

Speaker 3 (02:19:11):
Yeah, I definitely do, and I think, you know, I
think the tropical astrology does have an effect. But the
reason it has an effect, as far as I can tell,
is because people believe in it, and anything that we
believe in has some sort of power from the astral
and so we are deriving some energy from that. But
when we align our belief systems with more perennial truths,

(02:19:34):
then we're able to get a much better result. And
that was the whole basis behind this for me was
let's actually, you know, the astral actually comes from Astra star,
and the stars are putting out energies frequencies to us constantly,
that that is a perennial truth. All of the Megalithic
and Neolithic monuments are aligned to the actual stars, not

(02:19:57):
to the idea of where the stars would have been
in some intangible calculation. So people are believing in things
that give it some form of power, just like our
government just like our currency, just like all of those things,
and they're relying simply on the mental plane and the
emotion of the adulteration of the emotional plane, that emotional

(02:20:20):
sense of certainty that solidifies and crystallizes in those sick
beliefs that have influenced our entire humanity, and sadly a
lot of people are very subject to that. So yes,
in short, the answer is yes, Chris, I do right on.

Speaker 1 (02:20:35):
Now, how do you feel about the energies of the
upcoming years and what we could be looking towards as
far as different outcomes, pivotal moments in the collective consciousness
of society and everything that's happened and where we're going.

Speaker 3 (02:20:53):
I feel hopeful, because if I lose hope, then I
don't know that I would really keep going, you know,
it drives me to a point of suicide or something.
But realistically I think that, you know, I have seen
a lot of changes that are very, very beneficial happen
just in the course of my lifetime, and they're not

(02:21:16):
taking mainstream hold yet, but they are growing exponentially each
and every year. And some people just need such a
hard and intense crisis to be able to get real
and honest and truthful with themselves that things might need
to get worse before they get better. But we are
near that breaking point. I think, now, what does near mean?
I don't know. That could be highly subjective, could mean

(02:21:38):
this year, It could mean ten years from now, could
mean fifty years from now. But you know, there's not
one source of water on the planet that does not
have what is called a PFAS or pfos, a forever
chemical inside of it. This is every source of water
in the world. And that's because all water flows into
one another throughout the whole world, through underground aquifers, through

(02:22:00):
evaporation and rain systems and so on and so forth.
They are all one system. That everything is one system
at its base. That's the spiritual perennial concept of unity.
But realistically, we're poisoning ourselves and everything else with our
human behaviors that are unconscious. And so if we can

(02:22:20):
just make as you know, as Young said, make the
unconscious conscious, then we're able to really make some cool
impacts and strides. And that doesn't take a lot. It
takes silence, and it takes introspection and unadulterated honesty. We
have to get real with ourselves. Why are we doing things,

(02:22:43):
what are we justifying as our beliefs, as our modus operandi,
and why are we participating in that? And once you
get to that answer, then that opens up the space
for transformation and we have to We're at a critical juncture,
I think, where we have to look at this as
humanity if we want to go on with any semblance

(02:23:05):
of our historical integrity that we have had since as
far back as you know we can possibly go in
the archaeological records and however far humanity and humanoid like
existence exists before that, we really just have to get
real with ourselves, Chris, and we have to be able
to see personally and sociologically what are the things that

(02:23:27):
are the most important to us, and what can we
not sacrifice and what is you know, what do we
want the direction to be? And that is an answer
that every single individual has to have, or at least,
by far the vast majority of individuals has to have,
because otherwise what we're doing is the same thing is
what they're doing right now. Is that a small group

(02:23:49):
of thinkers, regardless of whether they're noble or not, are
going to guide the whole course of humanity, because humanity
is too lazy or trauma or whatever the case is,
to take accountability for themselves. So I see that moving forward,
cycles of the cosmos are going to continue to act

(02:24:09):
on us, just as they have for many, many, many,
many many millennia, and we can't avoid that. We can.
What we can do, though, is we can be aware
of where we want to be going and where we're
at now and utilize the cycles that are upon us
at any given moment to be able to help to

(02:24:30):
instill a better future for ourselves. Like for instance, Mars
is moving into the constellation of Sagittarius today. That is
a very fiery energy, and that lends itself to calcination,
to self honesty, to the burning away of self justifications
and belief systems. That is a really great archetype for that.

(02:24:52):
And if people can take this opportunity of that cosmic
cycle that is already inherent and shed to Earth from
the cosmos itself wealth and use that as the opportunity
the impetus to be able to transform, then we have
some chance. And i'd, like I said, I remain hopeful
because without that, I don't know what I would have.

Speaker 1 (02:25:13):
Excellent I love it, man, this was fantastic. We definitely
have to speak again very soon in the future. We
barely scratch a service on some of this stuff, and
we'll get much deeper before you head out. Remind the
audience how they can find out more about you and
get a hold of all your content and everything you're offering.

Speaker 3 (02:25:31):
Thank you so much. Yeah, So, the best way for
folks to get a hold of me is through my
website at Phoenixrelias dot org. We basically have like a
Patreon style structure, so everything that you buy, whether the
Astronomological Calendar or any of the multitudinous, I have almost
five hundred spaderic offerings inside of my Spagiic Hypothecary or

(02:25:52):
even my meditation albums or educational series and things like that.
That all continues to support my research and to me
to be able to come up with ideas like this
and to share them with the public and so on
and so forth. So it's you don't have to subscribe
to anything, You just buy what you want, and that
helps to fund and support the research and helps me

(02:26:14):
to continue doing what I'm doing. So Phoenixrelius dot org
and I do share a lot of ideas and other
things on my own podcast which is called the Alchemiculture Podcast,
and you can find that on Spotify and Apple and
YouTube and all the other places that things like that are.
So if you like these ideas, that might be another
fun way of engaging with these these types of topics.

Speaker 1 (02:26:36):
Amazing. Thank you so much, Phoenix. This was fantastic. Like
I said, we'll do this again soon and until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow and
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