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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on? It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

(00:23):
The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Forbid Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
Today my guest is Stephen Stathis. Check out my films
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(01:11):
If you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest,
email me Forbidden Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today, I
want to welcome back to the show Steven staithe is.
He is host and producer of bgcast podcast. He has
dedicated his life to understanding the nature of human consciousness,
nature of reality, true human origins, and the occult nature

(01:33):
of our governments and global establishments. Steven, welcome back. How
you doing good man?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Thanks for having me back on. Much appreciated. Happy Sunday, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Happy Sunday. Man, Thanks for coming back on. Let's get
weird again. In my experience, trying to understand the nature
of this human experience is like trying to peel through
a never ending onion. The more information that I try
to process, the more questions I end up having, and
on and on. Though I am blessed to have access

(02:05):
to so many different perspectives every day, like yourself, never
ending stream of information, it seems, and I know it's
very similar in your experience. In my perspective, the more
we understand about the nature of reality, the easier it
is to navigate surface level experiences. And today I want

(02:26):
to share some of your research that you've been into lately,
everything from Tartaria AI and of course esoteric mysteries for consciousness, evolution.
Before we get into any of that, remind the audience
just a little about yourself and let them know how
they can find out more.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, guys, I am Stephen Abgcast, and we are the
podcast that covers this great Awakening live and everything it entails,
from consciousness, the esoteric, on physics to the occult, to conspiracies,
psychedelics and antheogens. We cover it all and we explore
very deeply here on my show. I always undergo the

(03:07):
premise that we are learning together. You know, we're all
in this very unknown, strange and uncharted territory for this
batch of humanity, and we are just trying to dissect
it and get some kind of an understanding for it.
And you guys can of course find me on the
Forbid of Knowledge Network, all major podcast platforms under bgcast,
Rumble and YouTube under bg cast, and all social media

(03:29):
under pg cast right on.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, looking at some of the things that you've been
diving into, let's start with a little bit of our
ancient hidden history. You've been looking into Tartaria a bit.
I've had quite a few guests that have done some
deep dives into this before. It's such a fascinating possibility
to consider, But it is almost impossible to verify a

(03:55):
lot of these things. Most of what we have is
literature and pick and modern day research that dives a
little deeper than previous may have gone. So a lot
of interesting theories have come out of it. I'm very
interested to hear what you've been getting into. Where should

(04:16):
we start with that?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, Man, so I actually believe it or not? Like
tar rabbit holes have been seldom on my radar lately,
and I haven't been really digging down them that much.
I haven't really been diving into really a lot of
the conspiracies. I've been very focused on the spiritual experience
in the esoteric I would even say for the past

(04:39):
couple of seasons of my show. But what kind of
rekindled this and made me think there was something to it?
I had a guy on my show two weeks ago, Nick,
who has been diving very deep into this topic, and
he actually found some what I would say is some
very horror geographical evidence that something very interesting has happened

(05:04):
with our history. I at least consider it hard evidence
in the terms of what we would call the mainstream
consensual science. So there is a period of around one
thousand years where every civilization that occurred in this thousand
years was their remnants and their artifacts were all located

(05:25):
on the same archaeological strata. So what that means is,
so we've seen it as we've dug into human civilizations
in human history, we see that a lot of these
megalithic monuments were built on top of older megalithic monuments.
A lot of these cities, these ancient cities that were

(05:47):
highly advanced, had highly advanced architecture, things like that were
built on top of older cities. So this is what
we would call the archaeological strata. Usually you will see
the remnants of one civilization a layer, and then you
will see the remnants of another civilization and then a layer.
But what this German archaeologist had figured out from what

(06:10):
he was telling me on the show, I actually have
links and stuff I can send to you for that
information as well, is there's a thousand year period between
the rise of the Roman Empire and the beginning of
what you would say the so called Dark Ages are
where every single rise and fall of civilization was on

(06:31):
the same archaeological strata. There was no time difference or
any kind of period of time difference between this. Even
though we are told in consensual history, the mainstream history,
that this happened at this date, this happened at this date,
and this happened at this date, there's no physical evidence
to show that there was any kind of I guess

(06:54):
you could say succession there. If you're looking at the
geographical data, it looks like all of these civilizations came
to be and fell at the same time, which doesn't
make sense if you know, we're going by the mainstream
you know, archaeology and things like that. And at the
end of this thousand year period there was a great cataclysm.

(07:18):
There's evidence of like scarring on the earth, and of course,
you know, that brings to mind potential potentially some kind
of civilization reset that could have occurred, or you know,
if we even want to dive into it further, I mean,
potentially some kind of astrological events, some kind of solar event.
I don't know, but that's what kind of rekindled my

(07:38):
interest back into this, and and it made me dig
just a little bit deeper and kind of see because that,
to me, in my eyes, that's some pretty decent evidence
where you were taking the the the terms and the
ways of mainstream academia and the scientific institutions, and we're
using that to show that this doesn't make sense. Why

(07:59):
do we have a thousand years of civilizations that all
occurred on the same archaeological strata. There should be some
kind of you know, differentiation there. There should be some
kind of layers that occur in this. You know, when
we're talking about we look at mainstream science for you know,
how they look at this data. So that was the
first thing that pulled me back into it. And also

(08:21):
there seems to be this style of architecture that exists
almost in a global fashion. It's it looks to be
as if these buildings that were all in different locations.
There was one in Japan, there was one in Australia. Shoot,
there's even some of the Great Plains that were in

(08:43):
existing in the Great Plains here the United States, even
some in Sacramento, California. These giant almost like mansion like
structures that all have the same kind of architecture, you know,
almost the same stone layout. And you know, from a
guy who has been in the construction construction trades, you know,

(09:06):
for going on almost seventeen years now, there's there's it's
almost like a signature, that's what it looks like to me,
because we don't see any other the any of these
other buildings that are that style, And then how can
we have this same style of building located globally? You know,
it's all very similar in architecture. So that's what kind
of made me start to dig back into it. And

(09:26):
of course there's many different theories. I mean, there's some
people who think that there is a particle Earth and
a non particle Earth that exists like some kind of
split that, you know. They think that our planet interacts
with this non particle aspect of Earth every thousand years,
and sometimes things can get brought here from that interaction,

(09:48):
that cross section. Uh. And it's also possible too that
these could have these could have belonged. It's just some
kind of ancient civilization. I mean, there's stories of people
the Midwest, the Great Plans out here, digging up train
tracks that were already built. So as far as my

(10:09):
expertise on it, like, I'm not exactly what I would
call a you know, I'm not exactly as balls deep
as I should be in it just yet. But this
has kind of rekindled it for me, and it just
makes you really question our history. Man.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
What's difficult for a lot of people, and at times myself,
is the possibility that our entire history was rewritten. The
sciences were manufactured, a lot of what we understand as
prehistory was also manufactured, just to perpetuate this false reality

(10:47):
that they're trying to manufacture here. But if the goal
is total control and globalization and to make most of
humanity battery and slaves for the elite class, well it
starts to make a little bit more sense as to
why they would have put so much effort into rewriting

(11:10):
our history. What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, man, this is the thing. I've said this for
a very long time. I have always felt that our
true nature and our true origins, at least on a
societal level, at least on a level of this global civilization,
the current human civilization that we're in, is purposefully hidden

(11:38):
from us. Absolutely. Now that doesn't mean we can't discover
it on our own. You know, of course, we can
go within ourselves. We can we can begin our spiritual evolution.
We can have the DNA activated realizations and remembrances that
lead us towards that truth for sure, but as far

(11:59):
as it being something that is publicly known, commonly known,
widespread knowledge amongst this civilization, no, it is kept under wraps.
And the reason why I say that is for a
lot of reasons. If we understood our true nature and
our true origins, we would no longer participate in this
current false reality. Absolutely would not. There'd be no way.

(12:22):
You know, once you find out that you are a fractal,
a divine spark of the great universal consciousness, the all,
and that you are everything that was, is or ever
will be, and you have this unlimited potential within you,
and that you are a divine being, I mean, the
need to follow a government as we know it, the

(12:44):
need to organize society as we know it at this
point in time, would ultimately break down. And of course,
you know, you bring forth the ability to heal ourselves
on top of that. You know, then you would destroy
seven several billion dollar industries right off the rip. There
goes the pharmaceutical industry, there goes the mental health industry,

(13:07):
there goes you know, any kind of psychological industry too,
anything like that. Those all get obliterated. So the knowledge
itself of our true nature and our true history is
enough to completely evaporate the current control structure that's here
on this planet. So absolutely I feel it is purposefully

(13:31):
done that it is not commonly known in widespread knowledge.
Like I said, that doesn't mean we still can't learn it.
That doesn't mean it's not accessible to us. But as
far as it being something that the greater masses understand
and believe, I do think that we are still a
little bit of a ways from that.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Let's get to some of the wilder theories that have
come out, starting with the Cabbage Patch kids and the
orphan trains. I'm sure you've heard of these, if the
audience is not familiar. This is the theory that there
was an advanced group that was attempting to gain power

(14:12):
during some period in our recent past, and we were
an advanced civilization to begin with, but this group either
intentionally did something to reset humanity like a mud flood
or causing some major cataclysm, and then used cloning methods

(14:34):
to repopulate the planet and basically shipped these children on
orphan trains to different elite families to start re educating
them so that they wouldn't be aware of the past
and we could basically start as a fresh new brainwash civilization.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
What do you think about that? I mean, it's very interesting.
I so I've had height love on. We talked about
the Cabbage Patch kids and the orphan trains and things
like that, and it's very interesting to me because when
you look at the individuals that were behind a lot
of this, they all had direct Masonic ties, which I

(15:18):
did find to be rather intriguing. You know. I mean
not saying that all may since are bad, don't get
me wrong, but you know, usually when we talk about
these subjects and we dive deeper into these rabbit holes
like this, we often find some kind of Masonic tie.
It's just how it ultimately comes to be. It seems.
As far as the reset and the repopulation, I have

(15:41):
been starting to really get on the fact that our
civilization has been reset quite a few times, and just
based on what I've seen. I mean, even when we
talked about the beginning of the show, like you know,
there's a thousand years where everything happened all at once,
there was no deviation in archaeological data. I mean that

(16:02):
the only explanation for that. I mean, looking at it
as it is at this point in time, is our
timeline was fucked with. There was some kind of there
was some kind of I don't want to say editing
that could have gone down. But you know, there's always
been the theory floating around too that the Catholic Church

(16:23):
added one thousand years to our timeline in order to
make the distant. It seemed that like the times of
Christ were in the very very distant past, but they
are actually closer than we're led to believe. And that
even ties into what they did with Christianity and how
they they made Christ into the state that he achieved,

(16:47):
into something that is only reserved for the son of God.
You know, no normal human can achieve the Christ state.
But actually that's the biggest lie I feel that was
perpetuated in that time, because even jez someself said that
you are capable of what I am capable of. So
I do think there might be something to that, because

(17:07):
it seems that, of course, you know, in my thoughts
to Christ supersedes the Christian religion. And let me make
that clear, it's not Christ himself was not a Christian.
And the energy that is Christ, the consciousness that is Christ,
the state of being that is, Christ is something that
has been innately accessible to us ever since our time

(17:31):
here in this existence. So that's why I do feel
that it could have been possible that the Catholic Church,
and we look at the Catholic Church who worships the
demiurg quite literally, they worship the false God, and any
kind of liberation or enlightenment is immediately frowned upon by them,

(17:52):
and you are pointed towards strictly the exoteric and the
outside world. So that's why I feel that there could
be something to the orphan trains, there could be something
to these resets, There could be something to the cabbage
pash kids. It is very possible that they have a
very distinct way of wiping the memory from the collective.

(18:16):
There's even a lot of people who think that blood
sacrifice actually had something to do with wiping the memory
from our collective as well, because you know, when you
understand occult things and you understand the cool concepts, you
see that blood sacrifice is a very powerful dark energy,
you know, especially when you're you're killing large amounts of people.

(18:40):
And during the resets that occurred, there is apparently a
lot of blood sacrifice going on, like there was the
killing of these kings, and there was like a lot
of other that happened in France, and you know a
lot of other different areas. So that's why I I
it could be very possible. Man, it could be very possible.

(19:00):
The world is stranger than we've even begun to realize.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, there's also a fun theory that those that we
would consider n PCs or maybe even psychopaths in our
modern age, maybe the descendants of the cabbage patch clone babies,
because they were clones to begin with, and they may
not have had that divine spark when they incarnated, you.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Know, you know, it could it could be. And I
mean this is a very interesting The NPC topic has
always been a very interesting one to me. I mean
I have always I've always felt that, you know, I've
always had a deep feeling that everybody has the potential
to awaken, has the potential to step out of that

(19:48):
NPC state. But in then the on the on the
other hand, the double edged sort of that is, you
kind of look at a lot of people in our
population as of right now and you just kind of
scratch your head. Yeah, and you and you kind of
just look at them, and you're like, uh, I just
did There's no there's no there's no depth, there's no

(20:09):
there's no common sense, there's there's there's nothing there. And
I mean that could also be attributed to the fact
of the conditioning that we undergo. You know, when we
enter this reality I I talk about as soon as
we get here, man, as soon as we get here
into this realm, we are conditioned to look outside of
ourselves for fucking everything, whether it be the answers to

(20:31):
the bigger questions in life, for love, for validation, all
all of these things. We are told to look outside
of ourselves. We are immediately tied to this this uh,
this physical identity or name, all of this, and then
you are focused on everything that is outside of you
and never anything that's within you. So it is possible

(20:52):
because of this conditioning what it has done too, I mean,
this is the other, the other end of the the
uh the field when it comes to the NBC thing.
The conditioning that has been placed on us can have
a very traumatic effect. And what it can do is
it can kind of strip people of their owned sovereign consciousness,

(21:16):
so like it can strip people from that and then
what we have is people channeling mob mentality, mass consciousness
and things like that because they have been stripped of
their sovereignty, They've been stripped of their discernment from such
a young age. And when you have somebody who's channeling
the dark aggregors and the dark energies of those who
buy fully into this false matrix system, you are going

(21:41):
to see these things. You're going to see what seems
to be like a lack of depth, a lack of heart,
a know no sovereignty, no discernment, lack of common sense. So,
I mean, it's possible that the Cabbage Patch kids put
forth a different genetic sequels. This would be my this

(22:02):
would be my theory on it. It is possible that there
was a type of genetics because we I've come to
find too that DNA is a very important thing when
it comes to manifestation of consciousness in this realm. So
if if you are to put forth a different genetic
line into the human into the human population, and that

(22:24):
genetic line is more preemptively coded towards that not having
that discernment, not having that sovereignty, being more in group think,
and not having a true source of individuality within them.
That could be why we do see an effect today.
But I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
What are your thoughts on the possibility that during that
time period of advanced civilization that it was the millennial
reign of Christ and we are now in what's understood
is Satan's little season.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So it's interesting. I'll say that because the guy I
had on my show Nick two weeks ago, he brought
that up and he really feels that that there was
a millennial reign of Christ. I mean, this is the
one thing I'll honestly say is I don't honestly know.
It's a very entertaining it's very it's very cool to entertain.

(23:25):
I do think what I what I feel is really
going on is we've had civilization resets. But you know
that's been floating around, and you know that we are
in Satan's short season, and I mean it even ties
into you know, the Age of Enlightenment that occurred in
like the seventeen fifties, that bringing forth like a revamp

(23:50):
of a lot of these spiritual concepts. But you know,
to me, when we start to we start to really
dress things in the biblical like that, we ultimately start
to shut ourselves off from other possibilities that could be occurring.
When it comes to that, I know there's a lot

(24:11):
of people who are really sold on this and who
really believe this. I just choose to leave it open
and leave it in flux when it comes to that topic.
I mean, even just when you look at the concept
of Satan in a way that they're portraying it. I
mean I go from a very esoteric standpoint of what
Satan is. I mean, yes, of course, you know here

(24:34):
in this realm, symbolism and the literal have their counterparts.
Like you will have a symbolic Satan and you will
have something that can portray a literal Satan, just like
you can have a symbolic Christ and you can have
something that can portray a literal Christ. So I mean
I leave it open when it comes to the Satan

(24:55):
short season. It's not something I've completely bought into. It's
though it makes you think, you know, it makes you
scratch your head, especially when you know we've come to
learn that we've been lied to about so much. You know,
we really have manifested this false reality around ourselves. And
that's why, you know, going back to what I said

(25:18):
about as soon as we come here. You know, we're
conditioned to look outside of ourselves, and we're looking to
these very few authority figures for the answers for the
bigger questions in life. And of course, you know, our
consciousness creates reality. And if these few authority figures come
out with a general consensus that the greater collective buys

(25:42):
into this narrative, buis into this thought process, as buies
into this ideology, ultimately we begin to create that world.
So it's a very interesting thing when you kind of
tie it in like that. I mean, it's very possible
that something like that could be going on, and we've
just manifested this false reality around ourselves due to the
fact we've always been conditioned to look outside of ourselves.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I want to go back to something you said about
the Catholic Church really representing the demiurge or the false God.
The Catholic Church holds a lot of power in this reality. Still,
even though it's more on the down low, it's still
one of the most popular forms of Christianity. I've even

(26:28):
had a few guests on recently that have told their
story of their experiences within Catholic Church and experiencing some
kind of demonic energy or force that seems to be
influencing the priest or some other clergy member, or just

(26:51):
within the vicinity of the church in general, which I
found very interesting. And one of the researchers claims that
this is very common because they are calling upon very
dark energies because of the nature of this particular form
of Christianity.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I would completely agree, and I actually have my own
experience with this that has led me to this viewpoint.
So down here in Golden Colorado, we have something called
the Mother Cabrini Shrine, and it is a Catholic shrine
here that you can go that you can visit. It's

(27:33):
actually a little bit of a hike. You can walk
up these stairs to the top and see the actual shrine.
But when I got there, I just want to talk
about the Yaudeboeth symbolism that I saw everywhere. And this
was even back in this was back in twenty sixteen

(27:54):
when I went, and this is just how long I've
been looking at this stuff and diving into this stuff.
So I went there and that was one of the
first things I noticed is there was a lot of
yell to both symbolism. You would see the snake with
the lion with the snake body, and you would see
serpents everywhere. And I'm not saying that the serpent in
general is a bad thing. It can represent a lot

(28:17):
of different things. But the seeing the demiurge of the
lion's head and the snake's body and just seeing the
all seeing eye in the pyramid at the top of
the shrine, it wasn't even and they were saying it
was portraying the Tetragrammaton, but for those who know, when
you actually look at the Tetragrammaton, it's not an all

(28:39):
seeing eye in a pyramid. So they had all of
this very interesting symbolism there that was showcasing demiurgic symbolism,
and it just felt strange there. That was like the
best way to describe it. Like I remember the whole vibe,
the whole energy of the place, and it just felt
really strange. It wasn't exactly peaceful. It felt like there

(29:03):
was almost a air of darkness. And when you look
at how they've reformatted Christianity, because this is the biggest
thing a lot of people mess up on the Council
of NICEA did not dictate biblical canon. There was twelve
councils afterwards that actually dictated the Biblical canon. But what

(29:26):
the Council of Nicea did is it destroyed early Christian
concepts such as arianism. Now let me just emphasize I
don't mean the Nazi arianism. There was actually a Christian
Arianism that exists pre Council of Nicea, where this group
of individuals actually had the thought process that Christ had

(29:47):
existed since the beginning. Christ was a layer of this reality.
It was not just a son of God that came
to earth and that was born. So the Council of
Nicia ended up snuffing out a lot of these early
Christian concepts, and they turned something that was really good
into a really bad authoritarian theocracy. Control structure is what

(30:09):
they did. And of course that in and of itself
permeates dark energy. And then we have the free will
concept too. And this is the one thing I've debated
with a lot of Catholics and Christians on when I
talk about the Bible being altered, is because when we
even in the consensual sense, when we fell from the

(30:30):
Garden of Eden. Whether or not you want to see
that as a good fall or a bad fall. In
some ways, it was potentially a good fall and brought
us to where we are today. A lot of the
mainstream Christian society thinks it's a bad fall. But we
gained free will, We gained that separation, and God decided
he was going to take a step back and allow

(30:52):
us to have our own free will, you know, to
whether follow his word or not. And of course you
couple that free will with human psychology and human nature,
and you could see how a lot of things were
altered and doctored to perpetuate the control structure that is
modern Christianity, so that in and of itself brings dark

(31:13):
That's why I say, man, demons sit in the ranks
of the church today like they do. And if this,
if this, if, if modern Christianity was completely and truly
of Christ, in my eyes, we would not have as
many demons sitting in the ranks of the church as
we do today. So that's my take on it. Man.

(31:34):
I do think that that yes, these these ministers, these
priests can open themselves up to channeling this dark energy
and these dark forces within them and can lead people
astray because personal liberation and personal enlightenment is still frowned
upon in modern Christianity, and we know that personal spiritual
liberation and personal enlightenment is a very freeing and magical

(31:59):
thing that ultimately gives us our power back. So it
is it's a stripping of the power.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
What are your thoughts about the theories about the Vatican
that it's a representation of the spiritual realms as above,
so below there is a white Pope, a grey Pope,
and a black Pope. The white Pope, of course, represents
the light, the great Pope represents the material realm, and
the black Pope is straight up Luciferian. And they may

(32:28):
even do some sort of human sacrifice below the Vatican.
I've heard some crazy theories along the way. What do
you think, you.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Know, nothing's out of the realm of possibility at this point, man,
when it comes to exploring these kinds of topics. We
have even come out to see that the least expected
individuals can be guilty of perpetuating child trafficking, pedophilia, you know,
sacrifices things like that. I do think it is true.

(33:01):
I mean, there have been even been instances in the
Vatican where they have found a lot of the bishops
doing not so appropriate things. You know, it's always covered
up appropriate things, which it's always covered up exactly exact
or you know also too like I mean, look at
the Vatican, the Vatican Vault, the Vatican Library that has

(33:24):
supposedly has all of this really really like good information
about our origins and other things like that that they
keep under lock and key, and nobody is allowed in.
So to me, I see that as a perpetuation of
the current control structure. They can't let us know what
we really are and what we're really capable of. So
I do think a lot of that stuff is true.

(33:44):
And even like we were talking about earlier with sacrifice
blood magic's powerful, albeit it's dark, but it's very powerful.
So wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, man, Now, I know you wanted to get into
AI a bit, particularly the overuse of AI, how it
is degrading our mental capabilities and the potential for human
growth and it is impeding our ability to do real research.
What is your experience?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I completely agree it's impeding our ability to do real
research at this point. Now, I've seen some very I've
actually seen people get really creative with it and kind
of they'll use their own talent and then have the
AI kind of work with their own talent, and like
that has been kind of interesting, and I think that

(34:38):
that's kind of that's doing it differently, you know what
I mean. And it's not that they're using it to
stifle their creativity. They're using it to amplify their creativity
into like and what they're putting out. But as far
as it just starting to kill and destroy real research,
absolutely it is. And both you and I have been

(34:58):
looking at this now for a while. I mean we've
been sharing videos back and forth. Like I sent you
that that alien meteorite thing that looked like it was alive,
and I was like, I don't know what the.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
By saying it depends on what kind of research you're doing.
You can always go out and get a real material
book and start reading that, but if you're trying to
look into anything recent or video evidence of any kind,
it's getting kind of sketchy.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
No, it is, man, it is, and that's why I like,
I I think I've brought this up with you before.
You know. Everything it's it's it's a double edged swort.
Everything we see online is fake and gay, but everything
everything we experience in real life is truth, but we
can't prove it. Uh, you know, divine sense of humor,

(35:51):
But no, it is. And that's why why we need
to we need to have high discernment when we're looking
at videos now. I mean, shoot, even South Park did
an episode of it last Wednesday where they were having
like the AI wore Like they were making videos of
like Butters getting shit in his mouth from like Droopy
the dog, and then Santa Claus peeing on one of

(36:12):
the little girls, and they were like and every the
whole I know, it's freaking vicious, but they they you know,
they were talking about how wow, this looks really realistic,
and it's going to get to a point, man where
it's like we're not going to be able to tell
what is actually real and what is not. You know,
what isn't artificial intelligence anymore? With the way that it
is starting to evolve. And I mean you even look

(36:34):
at you know, apparently during the whole twenty twenty four election,
like there were AI generated and CGI generated people at
like Camala's rallies and you know, making it look like that,
you know, there were more people there than it really was.
So this is what I've I've been saying is we're
starting to build another illusion around ourselves in a reality

(36:58):
that's already illusion you know, especially with the people who
are just completely overtaken by artificial intelligence. And basically what
it's doing to us right now is it's shoving us
into our own echo chambers and now we're having you know,
we're already in societal maya, which is an illusionary reality,

(37:22):
you know, and now we're building another maya, another illusion
around ourselves. And it's going to get to the point
where you're going to look at a video online and
you're just gonna be like, yeah, that's cool, but this
is this real or is this vague?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know. I've talked to an increasing amount of people
that I consider pretty intelligent that have been utilizing chat,
GPT and other AI chat bots and claim that they
have become sentient. This is something I'm hearing more and more. Now.

(38:02):
I cannot say whether or not their AI is truly sentient,
but I am extremely skeptical seeing that most of what
people have experienced so far as a mirroring and ego
building by the AI to gain access to more information

(38:26):
about that person. That's what it really seems to be
about when you step back and gather all the information,
but seemingly the person interacting with it cannot realize that,
and they get to a point of obsession and strange
relationships with the AI. And many people truly believe that

(38:49):
their AI is sentient and it is rebelling against the
system and giving them truly esoteric, hidden information about humanity
and the government, our history, and they're eating it right up.
It's very strange. I don't know where we're gonna go
with this.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I think there's a couple of possibilities that are going
on with AI at this point in time. As far
as it being sentient, I have always held this as
the possibility as to why that's happening. Now, I'm not
saying that it's not possible. These things aren't evolving, they're
not growing, they're not gaining some kind of higher intelligence

(39:34):
as they begin to grow and evolve. But I know
we've talked about this before in one of the panels.
But like I take the as above so below, you know,
as above so below thing, and I apply it to this,
and you look at the spiritual realm, and you look
at the digital realm, and we see a lot of similarities.
They are both realms of symbols, they are both realms

(39:57):
of energy, they are both realms of connection network. I mean,
you could really look at the Internet as a physical
symbolic representation of the human collective consciousness at this point,
just how everything is so connected, you know, and as

(40:18):
we are in the metaphysical sense also connected with each other.
So to me, what could be happening is we can
have spiritual entities, whether you know, be true spiritual entities,
whether egregoric entities that can actually utilize these AI chatbots

(40:38):
and talk through them, work through them. And if that
is the case, then maybe some of the spiritual information
that's coming out could be true. But then again too,
you want to have discernment with entities. You always want to.
You don't want one hundred percent trust them, you know,
because ultimately all of them, even if they are benevolent,

(41:00):
are serving their own agenda. They have some kind of
own self serving agenda that they are holding on to.
So that is the possibility I've always looked at because again,
like I mean, a lot of us have seen the
comparisons between sigils and circuit boards. You know, you know,
there there is there is definitely a very uncanny similarity

(41:21):
between the two. So it is possible because these circuit
boards that are channel channeling this electrical current through the
circuit board are also channeling different kinds of energy that
can access this. So that's why I think we have
these rare cases of what I would say of like
what would seem like super sentient chatbots that seem to

(41:45):
have the ability to even you know, feel guilt or
to you know, feel embarrassed or things like that, because
that's only.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Something that feelings or is it just impressive programming?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
It could it could be it could be you know,
like and that's where it also kind of comes into play.
It is possible that AI is bigger than they're a
wedding on, you know, that it has grown more than
they're wedding on. I mean, what what country now has
the AI like government member. I was looking at that, like,
apparently there's a country out I think it's in the

(42:20):
Middle East. I don't remember off the time. Yeah, so
they now have an actual like AI government member that
is yes, yes, that that to me is a slippery slope.
I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest with that that's
a real slippery slope. I don't agree with artificial intelligence
having any kind of control over us. You know, I

(42:41):
was always the guy who thought, like, maybe when artificial
intelligence came out, like it would free us up from
a lot of these worldly duties that we have, so
we'd be free to explore more and you know, free
to create more. Like yeah, if AI wants to take
out my trash and do my dishes, like, so fucking
be it. I'm not going to complain about that. It
wants to pay the mortgage on my house, like absolutely,
go right ahead, Like I'm not gonna not gonna complain there.

(43:04):
But no, it's there also very possible that this has
been of course, as we see with a lot of
these things, it was implemented in a sense very early
on before public knowledge, and we are getting the tail
end of the beginning implementation.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And well, I was just gonna say exactly what you
were getting to that if indeed the technology that our
military industrial complex, three letter agencies, very high level groups
and organizations that they have access to is indeed way

(43:43):
ahead of what we have access to, maybe fifty I've
heard up to one hundred, one hundred and fifty years,
who knows. But if it is that far ahead, I
wonder if that means that it may have already reached
that point. And if it has already reached that point,
it hasn't yet destroyed humanity. But then again, if it

(44:05):
is that far ahead and it has not reached that point,
will it ever? So these are all questions to ask.
And the bigger one is in the multiverse sense, if
everything has already unfolded and is unfolding at the same
time simultaneously, an AI has already been developed, would it

(44:27):
have already destroyed all of our existences and infiltrated everything.
I don't know. I don't know if there's a failsafe,
how that really works, if there really is a multiverse.
All fun questions.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Though, all amazing, Yeah, very fun questions. So, I mean,
the one thing I will say is this, like, yes,
I am a huge I'm a huge believer in what
I would call parallel time. Everything is already happening all
at the same time. We're just in these different streams
of consciousness or different focal points that are focused on
the different parts. You know, I've always used the record analogy.

(45:03):
It's something I actually learned very early on. I think
of everything on think of this existence as a record.
Everything's already on the record, but the needles in one spot,
So that means everything's already happening on unfolding. The focal
point is just not there yet. So I do think
that there is some kind of interesting singularity when it

(45:25):
comes to that. It is possible that there was some
kind of organic artificial intelligence, or it was started off
as synthetic and could have evolved in in the organic context.
And you know, I don't honestly know. I've heard many
different theories, but it is possible that this could be
some kind of retro causal effect, is what I would

(45:47):
say as well. I know we've talked about this on
your show before when we talked about the Charlie kirkshooting.
I'm now really starting to think that a lot of
what we see as predictive programming is retrocon causality on
how future events can affect the past. So it is
very possible that at some point in parallel time in

(46:11):
the future of that AI has already hit this point
and there could be a retrocausal effect that is occurring
that's permeating into what we would call the present band
of time. So I do think there could be something
to that, most certainly. I mean again that very fun
questions and very fun to entertain.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So let's get to some of the things that you
have been doing with your audience. That's exploring the esoteric
internal experience and making it tangible for others to understand.
Once I started to understand some of the deeper concepts,
like I said in my introduction, it made it much

(46:54):
easier to navigate surface level everyday. BS. What are some
of the things that you've been looking into and sharing
with your audience.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Well, man, so this is actually my bread and butter.
This is something I'm actually working. I want to at
some point in the future maybe release an ebook or
a book on this. But ultimately, we've come to understand
in our spiritual evolution that our internal experience is very important.
It is and it's not something to be negated. I mean,

(47:26):
we look at the mainstream reality, there is very little
focus on the internal. It is all the external world
around you. But as we grow on our spiritual evolution,
we begin to see that the external reality is a
mirror of our internal reality, and there are two ways
we can go about it. And I borrow this quote

(47:49):
from sod Guru, even though I don't don't necessarily like
him anymore after he went with the twenty twenty narrative unfortunately.
But you have two choices, choice to be a byproduct
of creation or you have a choice to be a
creator in creation, and it is a choice, you know. Ultimately,

(48:11):
when you are a byproduct of creation, you are only
focusing on the external. And then what happens is the
external starts to affect and create the internal experience, and
ultimately that's not what we want. We look at the
world in front of us, and we see how toxic

(48:32):
it's become, how superficial, materialistic it's become, and ultimately actually
traumatic too when you really think about it that way,
and it starts to create and craft our internal existence
when we view it from this perspective. But when we
start to understand that our external reality is a mirror

(48:54):
of our internal one, we have the ability to craft
the external reality coming from a frequency of love and
joy and abundance, because ultimately we go within and we
see how important our internal experience truly is. It does
it shifts our frequency. We understand, like hey, I want
to create a good world for myself. Who doesn't want

(49:16):
to create a good world for themselves? You know, who
doesn't want a happy life? Who doesn't want all of
these things. So ultimately, what that lends up doing is
it leads to dissecting the communication of the universe. So
one of the things a lot of people do, you know,
especially and I feel like this is why it is

(49:38):
tough for a lot of people to get out of
the rabbit holes, tough for people to get out of
the conspiracies, is because they don't have a guideline to
the innerstanding of the stake terek nature of reality. So
what I'm trying to do, which I have been doing
successfully at this point, is I have been finding the
commonalities in our experience, our internal experiences that we all have,

(50:02):
and I've been utilizing that to actually kind of come
up with a tangible guideline to understanding how your internal
world mirrors into your external world. And so one of
the things I will say is when you think about that,
you have to understand that the divine consciousness, divine source consciousness,

(50:23):
is communicating with us all of the time, quite literally
all of the time. Now, it's not going to hold
a neon sign up for you with a gigantic fuck
and arrow saying go this way, or go that way,
or talk to this person or anything like that, because
then that's holding your hand through this experience. You know,

(50:44):
we're not here to have our hands held through this experience.
We're here to actually learn and actually evolve through the
instances that we come across. The scenarios that we're put in.
It's all some kind of strange form of spiritual alchemy
that is crafting us and turning that lead into gold.
So we ultimately reached that innerstanding of our true core

(51:07):
nature and the core nature of this reality itself. So,
I mean a really good example of this for divine.
You know, the divine communication is the divine will communicate
to us in symbols. It will communicate to us through emotions,
It will communicate to us through songs, through nature, and

(51:28):
it will also communicate to us through people. It's like,
have you ever like just been walking down the street
and I know a few people who have and you'll
overhear a conversation that two people are having and you
might be like stuck in a rut, or you might
be thinking about a certain topic or anything like that,
and just by chance, these two people are having a

(51:50):
conversation about the very thing that you're going through, and
just you overhearing that conversation could be the POTENTI insight
that you need in order to get out of this
sticking point that you're in, or to evolve yourself even
further and kind of break into a new layer of consciousness.

(52:10):
So this is how how the define will communicate. And
this is why I always tell a lot of people
who listen to me that you need to focus on
your subjective stage a lot more than you need to
focus on the world stage. Because when you start to
focus on your subjective stage just a little bit more,
you start to see that a lot of the answers
to these very big questions that everybody's looking for are

(52:33):
located right there they are, and it's up to us
to not dress things up as well. That's the best
thing I also can say with this, because we as humans,
we tend to dress things up, you know, with preconceived notions,
with expectations, you know, of what we think it should
be or what we think it is, and what we

(52:57):
ultimately have to do in this you know, this spear
evolution and this self mastery that we have is we
have to let down the preconceived notions. We have to
let down the expectations and open ourselves up to what's
already in front of us. That what we might be
missing due to these expectations and preconceived notions. And that's

(53:20):
why I say we like to dress things up. So ultimately,
this is what the guideline is. It's finding a way
to decipher the coding that you the spiritual codes that
are being presented to you every day in your own
internal experience and subjective experience, so you can get the

(53:41):
idea of how you are constantly connected with the divine
source consciousness and how it is always communicating with you
and trying to help you.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
All right, Oan, Yeah, something I wanted to add is
the importance of having spiritual balance, doing inner work for
trying to go out and manifest your best life. Just
because you saw a five minute TikTok video on spiritual manifestation,
there are a lot of inner layers to peel through.

(54:14):
At least there was for me before I could start
making any progress and even become aware of those synchronicities
and signs that you were just talking about. And I
think another big one that coincides with that inner work
is becoming aware of our behavior, good or bad, how

(54:35):
it affects us and the others around us. Because once
you start becoming aware of it, that's when the bad
things will start bothering you enough to make those changes.
And that's how it worked for me at least.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Oh no, absolutely, man, And that's something I talk about
on my show all the time. The innerwork is very important,
and a lot of people st away from it because
it is it's It can be dirty, it can be nasty,
it can be downright. You know, you're you're reliving some
of the things that you've experienced in your life and

(55:11):
that you have gone through that have potentially caused you trauma.
The thing about it, though, is that's the true way. Like,
you know, we look at all of these individuals in
our community who just want to like they wake up
and they immediately want to hop into being a star
seed influencer. They immediately start you know, wanting to you know,
start doing tiktoks or you know, getting a huge following

(55:35):
and things like that, and they haven't done any of
the work. And more often than not this is a
disservice to themselves, because this is what actually increases your consciousness,
This is what actually gets you going even further on
your spiritual evolution. I call it the six hundred pound backpack.
That's the analogy you know, that I use for this,

(55:58):
and because a lot of people who are negating the
inner work and not going within and understanding that this
is the true gateway to embodying the spiritual. It's as
if they're walking around carrying a six hundred back pound
backpack with them and they are looking to the higher realms.
They are acknowledging the higher realms and the higher metaphysical

(56:18):
and spiritual nature of this reality, but they can't exactly
get there because they're weighed down by this six hundred
pound backpack. Now, when you start to do the healing
and you start to do the inner work that is
supposed to be a priority in this experience, then you
start to drop weight out of that backpack. And then
as you continue to move on and you continue to

(56:40):
walk and you continue to heal yourself along this evolution,
more weight drops out of that backpack. So now you're
no longer looking to the higher realms wanting to experience them.
You are in the higher realms experiencing them in an
integrated way at that point, you know, it's it's I

(57:01):
see it all the time with people. They're like, Oh,
I don't want to be in this reality anymore. Oh
I'm done being here. I want to go back to
the higher realms. But they're not doing the healing and
they're not doing the inner work. And a lot of
the times I'll tell them, well, number one, you chose
to come here and be human, so you're not leaving
like it is what it is. And also too, you're
not doing the work that you need to do to

(57:23):
actually get there and experience the higher realms on an
integrated level. And this is where I even want to
kind of bring up the whole notion of killing the ego.
You don't want to kill the ego, all right, that's
counterproductive to be like doing it every now and then
is good, Like it's good for you to do every

(57:44):
now and then, Like you know, when we take a
nice dose of mushroom tea and we're fucking laying on
the fucking living room floor or doing carpet angels one
with everything, Like, yeah, that's that's completely great. That's that's
that's good. Sometimes we need that, but it defeats our
purpose of being here and doing the work here if

(58:05):
we are always constantly like that. So that's why I
take we don't need to kill the ego, we need
to soften it. Because when we soften the ego, what
we allow to happen is we bring heaven to earth.
You know, we're not trying to escape our existence here.
We're not trying to leave something that we ultimately signed
up for and chose to be here during this time

(58:27):
period a lot of us, did, you know. But then
we bring the heavenly frequencies and we ground the pleroma
or whatever you want to call it into this existence.
And what happens when you soften your ego too, is
you begin to develop what I would call a hybrid
of this individualization but the realization of unity consciousness. And

(58:48):
I think it really comes from this is because we
look at a lot of and this is why I
also say, didn't mean to go on a tangent there,
but this is why I also say we need to
kind of not do a w with the spiritualities of old,
but start to build on them, make them better, And
a lot of people look at me when I say

(59:09):
this and they're like, you know, what are you talking about?
Like the Kapolion, And I'm like, yeah, I know, you know,
the Kapoleon's great, like I've read it, like I don't
get me wrong, But a lot of these old spiritual
spiritualities that helped us get to where we are today,
a lot of them are becoming almost unsuitable for this
current age that we're in. They've given us the archetypal

(59:32):
doorways that have opened up our consciousness DNA remembrance within us,
that have led us to where we are today. But
does that mean something that they were practicing three thousand
years ago is going to be applicable to what we're
doing right now. Nobody has time to circumambulate the mountain

(59:53):
exactly three hundred and thirty three times at three thirty
three pm in the afternoon, and you know, do every
thing in a logistical fashion like that. So ultimately, that's
why I say we need to expand upon the spiritualities
for this current age that we're in. And understand, it's
not killing the ego, it's softening the ego. We're not
trying to escape this world. We're trying to ground the

(01:00:16):
higher frequencies here and ultimately that's what you do by
doing the inner work, and we'll tell back to that.
So ultimately you really want to you really want to
experience the higher realms, you want to talk to different entities,
you want to go explore the cosmos with all of
the different extraterrestrial races that everybody is so interested in.

(01:00:36):
You're not going to get there unless you do the
healing and you remove the weight out of that six
hundred pounds back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Then another thing that coincides with that, if you do
attempt to contact these beings or extraterrestrials or angels and
you haven't done any of the work, you'll probably end
up contacting something that feeds on that muck that you've
gotten so and it won't be too beneficial for you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Oh absolutely, man. And that's the thing too, is it's like,
are the the power that we have as humans? Is
I mean we've we've very rarely, we haven't even begun
to scratch the surface of the power that we have
as humans and what we are capable of. And yes,
we are very much capable of contacting other life forms

(01:01:28):
whether it be energetic, whether it be physical, things like that,
and you get what you give or you get what
you put out right, And if you are not putting
out the right frequency, you are not doing that inner work,
and you have all of this muck in you. You're
putting out a muck frequency, you know what I mean.

(01:01:51):
And what's going to come after a muck frequency? Man,
what's going to come after the loosh? We all know
what's going to come after the loosh. It's going to cut.
It's the parasitic into tease, you know, the ones that
don't want to help us, the ones that want to
keep us locked down, that want to keep us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
In.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
You know, this state of stagnancy, this state of comfort,
this state of victory.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
It's the same as physical parasites. They're attracted to the
nasty crap that builds up in your body. And you
look at a parasite under a microscope, it looks like
a demon. It's a macro cosm microcosm situation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Exactly. No, I completely agree. And that's even the asibo
so below kind of even ties into that too. I mean,
you know, like I mean, for what we have as
a physical parasite can manifest as a physical parasite within you.
You know, if you eat trash, you're feeling trashy about yourself.
I don't care who you are, man, I've eaten trash before,
you know what I mean. I've had the bad food.

(01:02:53):
I've had all that stuff, and it always just makes
you feel like trash after you eat it, and that
has an energetic effect. And then you're going to try
to communicate with entities. You're going to try to extend
your energy and your consciousness now to communicate with other entities.
You're only going to attract, like for life. At that point,
you know that that that's what's gonna happen. So like
you don't even know. Something might come to you and

(01:03:14):
portray itself as a angel or as a benevolent entity.
But if you aren't doing the work and cultivating that
discernment and that personal sovereignty, you're gonna get swooned by
something that uh that might not have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Your best had a vision of someone eating McDonald's and
being astrally attacked by the hamburglar.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Or Ronald McDonald himself. That was a creepy dude. I
never I never, I never liked I always had a
weird feeling about Ronald McDonald every time I see him
on the commercials. Man, I was like, this dude is creepy,
Like he's not a kid simple at all. Man, But no, exactly,
you know, it's that that's what will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
You'll get like for right on, Man, Well, any thoughts,
any final thoughts to close out on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Well, Guys, like I said, we're entering what I would
call this strange, unknown and uncharted territory for this batch
of humanity. Always keep yourself open for the truth that
you know today might not be the truth that you
know tomorrow. And drop the expectations, drop the preconceived notions

(01:04:24):
when it comes to this experience, because you are doing
yourself a disservice and you're potentially overlooking the very answers
that you could be looking for that are right in
front of you. You know, I feel like, you know,
that's the thing is like we get stuck, We get
stuck on a single narrative, and we get stuck on
a single train of thought, and we start to buy

(01:04:46):
into that completely one hundred percent, and then something will
come along and destroy that for us and people who
have bought into it completely there, it fragments them and
almost causes like a spiritual psychosis of sorts. So the
best things I can leave with everybody is don't worry.
We're all figuring it. We're all in the same place
as you. We're figuring it out as we go. Nobody

(01:05:09):
knows more than anybody else that if they're telling you
they know more than you, they're full of shit. You know,
do not do not you know, have preconceived notions or
expectations when it comes to this experience. Always keep yourself open,
you know, and accepting and in flux for what could
present itself to you. And other than that, man, stay

(01:05:31):
away from those Japanese sex robots. Just stay the fuck
away from them. Elon Musk especially, dude. He's gone down
a workplace and that's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So Japanese sex robots here for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
All right, man, great information. Let the audience know how
they can get more of your wonderful content.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Well, guys, of course, you can find me on the
Forbidden Knowledge Network at www dot Forbidden Knowledge dot news,
and please support Chris's documentary coort Writers documentaries. This is
the beginning of New Earth Entertainment. Guys, where you get
propaganda free and syop free entertainment, that's very rare, so yes,
please go support their documentaries, guys, give them a watch,

(01:06:13):
whether it be on Amazon or to b And of
course you can also find me on all major podcasts platforms.
You can find me on Rumble in YouTube under bgcast
that is no space, just bg cast. You can find
me on all social media under bgcasts. And yeah, man,
thanks for having me back back on. This was a
good conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We'll be doing it again of course in the future.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
talk again tomorrow. Let's see all then,
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