Microdosing For Healing Trauma, Emotional Wellness, Spiritual Connection & More | Kayse Gehret - Forbidden Knowledge News

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at gmail dot com. Today I want to welcome Casey Garrett.
She is founder of Microdosing for Healing, a global movement

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helping thousands safely explore personal growth and emotional well being
through intentional microdosing. Casey, Welcome, How you.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Doing, I'm great, how are you excellent?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Thank you for joining us today. We're going to share
your story of healing through microdosing and microdosing for Healing,
which is a global movement empowering thousands to explore emotional
and spiritual wellness through which you call Earth medicine. I
owe much of where I am now to the use
of psilocybin, although I did go the Macrodos route, but

(02:29):
I know so many that have achieved profound healing, mental
and physical from microdosing. Very much looking forward to hearing
your story before we do. This is your first time
on tell the audience just a little bit about yourself
and let them know how they can find out more
about you.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. So I
am very easy to find online under Casey Garrett. Our
platform is at microdoscene forhealing dot com. And my background
in brief, I came into healing at a very young age.
My first modality was reiki. I was introduced to reiki
and energy work went into body work. I thought at

(03:08):
the outset I would be a doctor, and spirit thankfully
brought me in another direction and I started working with
the body somatics as well as energy work. Had my
own practice for many many years open studios, focusing on
body mind body work, and then with that background, it
came across the idea of microdosing, which was appealing to me,

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particularly because I had had a grandma seizure disorder most
of my life since I was a teenager, so I
very much a seeker and explorer. But I never touched drugs,
particularly psychedelic drugs, because my mind was already unstable the
way it was. I felt I didn't need to push
my lug there. But when I was introduced to the

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idea of micro dosing, I could get behind that. I
was like, I'm not going to really destabilize my mind
by going anywhere too far, too fast. And once I
started by grod dosing, my hazure seizures stopped, and a
whole lot of other gifts came in. And then over time,
my micro dicing practice really laid the foundation for deeper work,

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which is what I see with a lot of people
these days. I work with a lot of beginners. I
work with a whole lot of people who never in
a million years thought that they would be working with
psychedelics in this lifetime. And it's really beautiful to have
this modality introduce people in in bite sized ways because
it gives people the ability to dip their toe in,

(04:38):
learn connect with the medicine, and then work their way
up as they developed trust in the medicine, trust in
themselves to higher doses, which, as you know, can be
pretty profound and life changing.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So you no longer have the seizures at all. Wow,
tell us a little bit about that progression. Once you
started microdosing.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
It was really interesting because I'd had them since I
was a teenager. And I was medicated. They did all
the things, I got all the tests. They never found
a biological physical cause for them, but treated it as
epilepsy as they do. So I was medicated with several
different medications that suppressed them. I had less of them,

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but they never completely caused them to go away completely.
I always, from the outset thought they had nothing to
do with something physically wrong with me. I felt like
it was tied somehow to having a very very sensitive
nervous system, a highly dysregulated nervous system. So I never
when I went into microdocene, I really wasn't doing it

(05:44):
with the thought that I could heal them right. I
just was the way it was presented to me was
this is going to be something that you have to
live with the rest of your life. When I brought
it up to my doctors at the time, I'd like
to go off my medication. I would like to try
natural medicines. They were very, very opposed to it. However,

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once I started microtosing, it was probably two or three
months before I realized I haven't had an aura. Sometimes
if people who have nervous system disorders, sometimes you don't
you have a seizure sometimes you have what's called an aura,
which is like you feel like what is going to
come on? And I realized I hadn't had even one

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of those slight sensations in sometime and then months past,
years past, and at this point, whether I'm actively microdosing
or not, I feel like my nervous system is reset
to such a state that it's not something that's part
of my life anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Wow, you said you also unlocked other gifts during this experience.
Tell us about that.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, so I experienced what a lot. What I've now
come to find a lot of people experiences when they
first start is nature just comes alive. So within the
first day or two, people notice like they kind of
describe it as my life was in black and white,
and now it's in color again. So while you're not
distorted and you're not altered, it's just everything is brighter

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and lighter, and kind of the light catches differently. You
notice the sun, you notice the light, You notice the
animal world, you notice the plant world, you notice tastes
and textures, and your senses come alive, your instincts come
back to life. So it's really a reconnection to this
instinctual you know, wild part of ourselves. So we've become
very domesticated.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
And for the audience, just to clarify, we're utilizing psilocybin. Correct, Yes,
in my.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Case, the psilocybin. Yeah, Psilocybin is the primary medicine I
have worked with throughout my life. It's the medicine I
focus on with our community. However, I encourage people, each person,
A lot of times they'll ask, like, how do I
know which is the medicine for me? It'll call you,
It'll call you that. Mushrooms are often people's first medicines,

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just because they're so universal, they're so accessible, They've been
used so in so many cultures across time, across history.
But a lot of times people once they connect with
the medicine, they connect with their intuition, their creativity, their instincts. Again,
they know intuitively what is the next medicine for them.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
How long did it take before you started to experience
those perception shifts and started to notice things that you
hadn't noticed before.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
The first day. The first day, which is really common,
especially for people, like the first day or two when
they're microdosing, A lot of times people come in knowing
it's really really subtle, and so they just kind of
started on a regular day. I always invite people to
plan a special day where you don't have to be,
you know, in your cubicle or in your office or

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kind of in your muggle world reality, because the first time,
the first time you connect with a medicine can be
really special just because you're not going to be altered
in any way again, but it's igniting kind of a
memory in you oftentimes, and things can be it's almost
like meeting a soulmate. You know, we all have those

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moments in life where we meet those handful of people
that are signposts in our life that were destined to meet.
It's kind of like that where you meet that person
and the first time you reconnect, you're like, I know you,
I have known you before. Over time connecting is that way,
and so oftentimes people have a dialed up, heightened experience,

(09:40):
even at a microdocene level, their first couple of days.
So I encourage people kind of have open time, be
in nature, put yourself in a place and a container
in space where you can feel a lot of context
and nuance because it'll even out after a few days.
But lots of times people notice differences within the first
twenty four to forty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Talk a little bit about your understanding of what this
substance is doing. I know that even science doesn't have
a good understanding of what is happening in the brain,
but possibly spiritually speaking, are on levels beyond our normal
everyday consciousness. What do you think is going on when

(10:23):
we are ingesting these substances?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I love this question, thanks. I mean, there's the scientific inquiry,
which is, you know, we know it. Silosin plays on
certain receptors, our serotonin receptors in the body. We know
it opens up windows of perception, a neuroplasticity, ability to
see things in a new way, in an expanded way.
But scientifically, like we know a teeny tiny fraction of

(10:50):
how these medicines work, the intelligence and wisdom therein is
so far beyond what we can understand I think scientifically
at this point, I think we're going to discover a
lot more. Spiritually speaking, what I have seen. The way
mushrooms specifically work is if you think of mushrooms in nature,

(11:11):
they remediate in the forest. They do the same to us. Really,
they work on our soul, they work on our aura,
They remediate us, so they heal at a level that
goes beyond the mind, It goes beyond the words. That's
why so many people come to practice that I work
with have done everything. They're like, I've done all the therapy,

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I know the things I've done, all the programs. I've
done lots of different work. But there's certain things that
we can't get to through the mind, we can't get
to through talking about it, and that's where mushrooms really shine.
So they remediate us on a physical level, on a
spiritual level, and as they kind of remediate that density

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which is in the human it's mostly fear and grief
the things that I see. And as we shed fear,
as we shed old, dense grief from the body, that's
when we become more open. We become more light filled.
We're more open to spiritual connection, our intuition, our psychic ability,

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our ability to perceive and relate to ourselves, the other
and the world. All of these things really open up
with more space that's created by kind of the purging
and metabolizing of these denser energies in the body.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Through my experience, I was able to facilitate what is
understood is contact with a higher intelligence. What I understand
is my higher self. There are others that make contact
with what they consider angels or extra terrestrials. But you
mentioned that psychic connection for you. Did you have any

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experiences along those lines or did you have that connection
before you started with the psychedelics.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh yes, oh yes, thank you. Yes, I mean, in hindsight,
now I have a connection to one one being that
I call my guide I have. Some people have more
than one. I have one primary and now, in hindsight,
it just makes me smile and laugh because it's so obvious.
Like it's so obvious. There's every sign of symbol and

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clue from childhood that she's always been there. But what
started off over time? I think as a kid it
was just intuition. And sometimes you would hear like a
knowing voice, you know, that would direct me. Like when
I grew up on the East Coast, I had a
very distinct voice say it's time to move to the
West Coast. And I listened to it, but I couldn't

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identify it as a being. It was just a voice
came through. So at pivotal times in my life I
would hear direct often very direct instructions, But it wasn't
until I started working with mushrooms that kind of this
intuition blossomed and became more consistent. It became a more

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distinct voice. And then once I evolved from microdosing into
higher dose work, this being my guide meets me on
the other side of every journey. So when I enter,
when I kind of leave this realm and go into
another realm, She's been my guide for every journey I
have done and takes me and at this point now

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I have a pretty consistent connection with her. She assists
me often.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
When you're saying into another realm, Could you expand on
what you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
M Yeah, I think everybody experiences this in a different way,
but we have different levels of reality always. I mean,
we see that playing out in the Earth realm quite
significantly right now. We all perceive and move through our plane,

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you know, this plane differently, and much like the dream world,
psychedelics give us access to these different states. Some people
can move in time and move in timelines. Other people
can move into mystical and spiritual realms that coexist with
our own timeline. So it's hard to articulate. We do

(15:25):
our best to describe these states. But each of my
journeys has taken place while I'm aware of an earthly existence,
has taken place in another realm.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
And is this due to your microdosing.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think I would not have had the journey experiences
that I have now if I hadn't laid a foundation
of twenty plus years of contemplative practice, yoga, bodywork, energy work,
and then microdosin as well. I think it enable me
to access it in the way that I have and

(16:03):
have the clarity of experience. But it's not necessary, certainly
for all people.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
In your talking points, you are working with something called
trauma informed integration and somatic healing. Tell us about what
this is.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
M Yeah, I have a soft spot because I thankfully,
at a very young age, I started working with energy
in the body, and today I see the way I
see how mushrooms heal so much as complementary with those practices.
It's really understanding and perceiving energy in the body. And

(16:41):
I believe that all, pretty much all of our illnesses,
mental and physical, are created by energy, right the flow
of energy, the blocked energy, dense energy, traumatic energy, it's
all that's the nucleus of underlying the root cause of
most things, and so having that foundation, I like to

(17:03):
bring that into people's lives as they're practicing. So, for example,
I have a lot of people who have very stubborn
chronic health stuff and going on, autoimmune disorders, chronic headaches,
often nervous deep nervous system regulation. Mushrooms really help get
at it, bring that energy up and forth. But it's bodywork,

(17:26):
it's the somatic practices. It's the energetic practices that help
people really get in touch with that energy and move
that energy out of the body or sometimes redistribute it
within the body from a very kind of incoherent energy
to a very aligned, coherent clarity.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Could you give us an example of somatic healing.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh gosh, yes, have so many of them. It's really
common for people to have, you know, specific pain, specific pressure,
specific energetic clustering in certain parts of the body. And
it's really fascinating because as you zoom out and I

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want to watch people heal, it's the body's best effort
at communicating. Right. Oftentimes it's the body trying to protect
us in some way. It's trying to set the energy
apart from our existence, right, And so working with people.
I've had many, many people they've had these long term

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chronic health things, and once they start microdosing, they pair
it with movement practice, they pair it with body work,
and many many people it's in the movement of the thing.
It's in whether they're doing it themselves, you know, through
movement practices, exercise, or a body worker is working on
them energy worker. They can feel this energy lift and

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move out. And I've heard so so many examples of
that where people have had this pain or this injury,
or this this problem, this symptom for nine twenty thirty
years and it seems to miraculously heal.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So something that's not talked about often. It's more looked
at for the mental, emotional, and spiritual purposes of healing,
less that it could actually heal the body and have
those kind of profound effects. But I've experienced that myself,
and I know many others who've had these lifelong ailments

(19:32):
just disappear after the use of psychedelics for a prolonged time.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yes, yeah, it's it's unamazing to people when you go
through it. I mean, you and I have both personally
experienced that, so we know it's incredible, it's exhilarating, it's
wonderful and joyful. But it can also be really, really
tender and heartbreaking because so many people I work with
like they have spent so much of their life that

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this ailment, or this symptom or this condition was such
a big part of their identity and or restricted their
capacity to enjoy their life and live fully. And it
can be tender and justifiably angry that these medicines have
been kept from us, very intentionally for so long.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
What are most people approaching you to help them with
as far as their needs. If they're approaching you more
for trauma, emotional healing, physical healing, what do you get
most of.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's definitely definitely evolved over the last five years. So
we founded our community back in twenty twenty and so
back then it was primarily, you know, the height of
the pandemic. It was a lot of mental health, it
was a lot of physical symptoms, it was a lot
of you know, I've been leaning on alcohol a little

(21:06):
too hard to kind of the coping mechanisms that we
rely on. Fast forward now, though by far and away
this year, I mean recording this now in twenty twenty five,
now it's the ability to cope with a rapidly changing society,
trying to kind of keep up with the changes, to

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handle this anxiety that people can't put their finger on.
It's been really interesting and it's been remarkable how quickly
it's happened. So now I feel like more than ever,
these medicines working people are coming to the medicines Now.
It's really helping us evolve truly into the people that

(21:52):
were becoming. And we're in this kind of inflection point
now where we're you know, in times past we kind
of branch off, right, species branch off into different types
of species. I think we're in this moment now, and
so I'm seeing that reflected and interesting ways on people's
intake forms, for example, increased neurodivergencies or different way of

(22:16):
experiencing life through they say ADHD, But underneath ADHD is
this underlying like redistribution of energy in our word. So
I think now I'm seeing all the signs that I'm
seeing now, underlying them are evolving spiritually, mentally, physically to
a rapidly evolving Earth world.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Now understand that people who are on SSRIs shouldn't try
and combine psilocybin or psychedelics, that it may not have
any effect, or it could have a very negative effect
on them if they are utilizing that.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Thank you, no, thank you so much for bringing this side.
There's so much misinformation about this and so much needless
suffering around this. So I'd love to speak to this topic.
So we've worked with many, many men and many people
who are on antidepressants. The issue with antidepressants are particularly

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s nr I family and the SRI family. So the
popular ones are lexapro, the prozacs, the zolofts. They work
in such a way that they blunt the effect of psilocybin.
So I often encourage people like, pretend your receptor is
you know, there's a chair already sitting there, and there's
somebody in the chair, right, and psilocybin is coming to

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try to sit in the chair and someone's already sitting
in it. They can't get all the way there. So
that's how it works biologically. However, we are only scratching
the surface with what we know how mushrooms work. Right,
there's this whole entourage effect beyond just psilocybin, and so
that converts to soilocin, So there's all of these other

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compounds in the mushroom that even if you are blunted
to some extent with some effects of the medicine, you're
also benefiting by all of these other aspects also too.
They have proven that serotonin syndrome is one of the
fears that I see going around on the interwebs. Often.

(24:23):
Serotonin syndrome is when you have too many substances playing
on that receptor, and when you're microdosing, there is very
very very minimal risk. There's actually much more risk when
you're combining other SSRI type medications. So if you're someone
that's combining, maybe you're on three or four different medications

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and all of these medications play on that receptor, that's
actually more of a cause for that concern. So you
do get benefits. I've worked with many people in this process,
some who hope to taper right. They'll come and they'll say, Honestly,
the vast majority of people come to me say I'm
on the santi depressant. I don't say it's not not working,

(25:12):
like it's doing something because I don't feel like I'm
going to fall into a deep depression. But am I
happy no, So people kind of describe it as this
medicine keeps me from falling through the floor, but I
also has a very low ceiling to my life experience.
So they are afraid of feeling more depressed. But they

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also increasingly are more afraid of living the rest of
their life feeling the way they do now, and so
they're willing to try something new, and so a lot
of times we'll start people with microdocene, get them to
a new state. Then when if they feel confident and ready,
we'll enlist a prescriber. We have some psychedelic pharmacists in
our community who can support people with tapering plans to

(25:55):
help them taper off their antidepressant and a really thoughtful
tapered way, depending on which one they're on, how long
they've been on it, their dosage and mushrooms we find
can really help them through the process of tapering for
a couple of reasons. One, it kind of helps buffer
those really deep troughs that people go and side effects

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when people withdraw. Also to it gives people something to
aspire to, right, So a lot of times when people
start microdosing, they get inspired again in life. They start
to feel excited about life, they start to look forward
to things, they get drawn to work deeper with the medicine,

(26:39):
and so a lot of times people will go, you know,
I didn't know that I wanted to work deeper with mushrooms.
I didn't think I would ever want to do a journey,
but I think I do, and I want to set
this up like six months from now, and that gives
me something to look forward to, and I'll plant my
taper around that so that on the other side of that,
hopefully I can be either completely off or revert to

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much less use and reliance.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Now, before we started recording, you were saying that you
also recommend and occasionally work with other plant medicines or psychedelics.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yes. Yes, So we have a lot of different guides
from around the world in our community, and each of
them specializes in their own medicine. So as we have
grown over time, different people need different things, right, like
you might start off with psilocybin, and to use myself
as an example, like when I first started my nervous

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system healing was remarkable and paramount to my experience. Then
I started working with intuition and doing some deeper work.
Then last year it was funny. I never ever thought
that I would be drawn to working with LSD, and
out of the blow, I started getting drawn to work
with LSD, and I was like, what is going on

(27:55):
with that? And I realized in hindsight, I also oridipitously
met someone who was an LSD guide. It probably not
a coincidence enabled that to happen. And after a few
months of micro dosing with LSD and having that experience,
I realized that it was exactly the medicine that I

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needed during a very difficult last winter, was very difficult
for me personally, and it brought a sense of consistency
and levity into my life just at the right time.
And so I think different medicines. We all are supported
by different medicines over time, and in our community we

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have guides with deep personal direct experience supporting people to
help people answer questions, educate them, and help them feel
supported in both the similarities between the medicine experience and
also some of the unique differences between some of the
medicines as well.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Were you microdosing the LSD yes, maybe you could describe
the difference in some of the effects that that had
opposed to psilocybin.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh, for sure, for sure. So one of the things
I most appreciate about LSD that I have never found
with psilocybin is its consistency. All Right, it's a synthetic
and so you can dial in, like the dose is
always precise and exact, and I found that my experience
was always precise and exact. I followed the fatamin protocol

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named after Jim Fatimine, and his protocol is one day on,
two days off, and with perfect consistency. I knew exactly
how I was going to feel on my dose day,
exactly how I was going to feel on day two,
exactly how I was going to feel on day three,
and then start over again. It was really really interesting,
which I've never found with psilocybin. Is always different, yes,

(29:59):
and so that was pretty remarkable. LSC two it was
much more cerebral, right, It was very easy to stay
remarkably focused on work. I was exceptionally creative and consistently
so throughout the day, Like I remember being able to
work into the night just as I do have my

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morning energy I had in the evening too, So it
was longer, it was more consistent, and also there was
a levity to it. Mushrooms. Mushrooms to me are always wise.

(30:40):
You know, I'm always humbled like I never I've never
used mushrooms, microdofs, seen or otherwise that I'm not humbled
by their innate wisdom. And I said intentions, but they
always kind of surprised me on how they go about
meeting me there in the wisest way, and mushrooms to

(31:02):
have a very other worldly, more than human quality to
them that I think working with mushrooms, I always set
intentions and my hopes and desires for the experience, but
I also give over for them to have the space
to kind of do their do their magic.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
How do you feel about the rising psychedelic industries what's
happening there. I know that there's positive and negative in
all of it, but how do you see everything going?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think humans will human, humans so human. I think
one of the edges right now for me that I
talk about and see frequently in our community is five
even five years ago, the medicines were harder to find,
right and guidance was harder to find, and so you

(31:58):
had to kind of seek this work out. It was
a little forbidden, It was a little fringe and that
kind of kind of protected it in a way because
it wasn't known by a whole lot of people. And
so I really invite people when you're kind of stepping
into this world, really step into nature's world, like, don't

(32:20):
bring our human into the experience, Like be more like
nature as we interact with nature. So as humans do
and it becomes more mainstream, we are going to run into,
you know, the human elements of our modern society, which
is the consumerism, the capitalism, the buffet mentality. You know,

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humans love a buffet, and so I think part of
the access has exacerbated some of these qualities and people.
So for example, like five years ago, when we started,
there was just there was just one medicine to work with.
You grew your own, you know, we taught people to
grew their own. It was during the pandemic. People had
a lot of time on their hands to grow things,

(33:08):
bake bread or you name it. And so people grew
their own medicines frequently. And there was a beauty in
the simplicity of that. You know, people were cultivating a
relationship with their own medicines. They weren't distracted by lots
of different options lots of different medicines out there. Now,
I see it's much more easy to get distracted if

(33:28):
you're not getting an instantaneous result or the medicine's not
working with you exactly the way you had hoped it would.
There's a tendency for us to reach outside ourselves for
more or different or better right versus the simplicity of
working with life as it is. So I would say
that's what's up for me the most right now with

(33:50):
the psychedelic quote unquote industry as it is. Yeah, wellive,
but it seems.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
To be a double edged sword. There are a lot
of companies and individuals that are taking advantage of it
and probably putting it out there in the wrong way,
in a very harmful way. But there are also people
like you who are doing it the right way and
have a lot of knowledge and experience to bring to everything.

(34:21):
You also have in your talking points that you can
use microdosing as a tool for nervous system regulation. We
touched on that in just a second, but tell us
a little bit more about it.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I think this far and away is the biggest,
definitely most remarkable healing I've seen in all the people
that I've supported so psilocybin if someone comes to me
and it's anything that's rooted in nervous system dysregulation, which
can be tricky because some of them are obvious, like
a seizure disorder is obviously a nervous system. But a

(34:52):
lot of the conditions and disorders that we talk about
that we're medicated for are actually sourced from a disregulated
nervous systems. So any kind of addiction, any kind of
addictions outside of ourselves, is often rooted in a nervous
system dysregulation. Lots of our mental art headaches are migraines,

(35:13):
cluster headaches, anything to do with our nerve system. You know,
that's a lot, a lot of conditions, a lot of
pain conditions are that's underlying that. So Psilocybin is really
remarkable for healing our nervous systems at the root, kind
of resetting our nervous system, and so it's really beautiful.

(35:34):
I work with a lot of creatives, artist musicians who
tend to have a lot of nervous system disorders and
conditions that are linked. Because that's also tends to be
people who are very empathetic and very open, very sensitive,
So it's really beautiful to work with psilocybin if you're
one of those people, because you get to keep your

(35:54):
beautiful sensitivity, but you have a strength and a resilience
now to your system that you're not going to get
overwhelmed or lean into addictive substances or you know, to
balance yourself out by this rather kind of loud, noisy
input psychons, inputs of this very loud world. So nervous

(36:17):
system healing by far and away also too, there's a
strong link between. We have a lot of serotonin receptors
in our gut too, so lots of things that are
linked to gut health as well. People don't think of
being connected to, you know, our anxiety, and most people

(36:38):
walking around right now this year have some measure of anxiety,
and that tends to come out in various ways. Some
people have social anxiety, can't sleeping disorders, trouble connecting with
other people, trouble public speaking and presenting, expressing ourselves. So
all of those things too are and to be tied

(37:00):
to our nervous system.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
To me, one of the most profound and simple examples
of the healing that psychedelics can do is what they
do for people who have addictions. Even microdosing within a
relatively short amount of time can make such a huge
difference to a person that is addicted to a substance.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right one percent. Yeah, I think I've worked with people
with cigarettes, with alcohol, with cannabis, probably most frequently alcohol.
Particularly five years ago, a lot of people were saying,
you know, I wouldn't call myself an alcoholic, but I'm
definitely dependent or I definitely reach for alcohol more than

(37:46):
I might want to. And it was it has been
consistently remarkable to see how quickly people are able to
move away from the substances that they hope for. But
they're so surprised by how effortless it is. As you said,
it's very easeful, and it's not in the past when
they have concentrated on whatever it was they were working on,

(38:10):
it was more willing themselves. It was more of a
mental exercise and a behavioral exercise. It becomes more energetic,
and they're like, I just don't think of it as
I just don't want it. I don't want it. And
when people do go back to it and they do
practice that behavior take in that substance, they notice it,

(38:32):
they feel it more in their body. So this just
came up on our community recently where someone had effortlessly
they just like to drink beer every once in a while,
wasn't a problem, but just found themselves after they started
microtising to just stop drinking it all together. Well, they
had gotten together socially with their friend group and had
a beer and they said they couldn't believe how much

(38:53):
they could feel the substance in their body for days after,
and they said it was remarkable. Felt heavy, they felt sluggish,
they felt more down, and they're like, wow, I used
to put this in my body four days a week, right,
and I didn't feel it as much as I do now.
So that's what mushrooms do. I think they help us

(39:15):
move away from certain behaviors more easefully, but also to
put us in more in touch with ourselves and how
things and practices and relationships make us feel.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Do you think there's certain people that should avoid psychedelics
all together.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yes, I would say The number one thing that I
counsel people on that I see real time in my
practice is when someone is coming and they are exceptionally desperate.
They're exceptionally desperate, they have a lot of urgency, and
they're kind of pinned at their emotional peak, right and

(39:57):
they're looking for escape. They're looking to help move something,
to move them through a really uncomfortable period. Because mushrooms
in particular are amplifiers, you know, they're enhancers and amplifiers.
So if someone is already quite raw, if someone's quite
really emotional, so someone who just lost someone they loved recently,

(40:22):
are in the think of a really emotional divorce or situation.
Those cases, I often tell people pause with psychedelics right now,
i'lso work with them, but we might do some nervous
system techniques and other lifestyle practices first to lay the
foundation to work with psychedelics later.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
What about people with certain mental disabilities or schizophrenia, things
like that?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Great question, So of the personality types and mental health concerns.
It's interesting because on a lot of the if you
do a psilocybin study, you know, and the academic research studies,
they list things that disqualify you from a study, I
would be disqualified like on every count. So I had seizures.

(41:16):
They won't. They don't accept people who have seizures. They
don't accept people who have schizophrenia in the family. They
don't accept people who have suicide in the family. I
have all of those things, and so I am like
a living example of someone who has all of those
things yet thrived, Like my life has been completely transformed

(41:39):
in the most positive way through working with psychedelics. So
it's not always a lot of it's driven by liability always,
But when you have these things, when you have mental
conditions or these certain things run inside your family, I say,
go slow is the most important thing. That's why I

(41:59):
love working with microdosing because it's so gentle, it's so subtle,
it's not going to highly destabilize you, and so you
get to see how your body and most importantly, your
brain is going to react to the medicine with guidance.
So if you have those things start there. The only
kind of personality type that I pause if I see

(42:22):
it is narcissism. Interesting, so we see some examples of
it on the world stage right now. Is when you
use a lot of psychedelics and you're already a narcissistic person,
you just become more megalomaniac, right, and so yes, it

(42:45):
just amplifies more of what you are. You know, I
have until people psychedelics are like money and they're like power.
It just makes more of what you already are. So
if you just automatically think psychedelics are going to make
people a better person, that's not always the case. It
just makes you more of what you already are. So

(43:06):
if I get someone who has a lot of narcissism
presents with a lot of narcissism, I pause when working
with psychedelics, I might try a different medicine.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Let's talk a little bit about the dosage as far
as microdosing. Like I said, I'm used to the macro
dose three grams or more, but that's not for everyone.
Would you recommend starting with.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, so most people, mainstream micro dosing is usually between
fifty milligrams and three hundred milligrams on the upper end.
Most people that I support, I start at fifty, which
is actually quite low. But I also work with a
lot of people who are really quite open. A lot

(43:55):
of them have done medicine work before, and if not
medicine work, they've done a lot of contemplative practice before.
Lots of artists and creatives, pretty open, bendy people to
begin with, start at a lower dose, but I would
say the mainstream, it's very very common for people to
work at one hundred to one point fifty. I find
people who work at the higher range tend to be

(44:17):
people on medications, so you might have medications blunting some effect,
or people with kind of an older, more rigid brain.
So alphetize. In my first conversations with people, I'm like,
how habit oriented are you? Are you? Do you do
the same thing every day? Do you eat the same
thing every day? Do you go the same way to

(44:37):
work every day? And usually people will go, yeah, that's me,
that's me. They might need a slightly higher dose to
start with right now, though, I think this year in particular,
this moment that we're in right now today, people are
changing much more rapidly now, like we're in this little

(44:59):
interesting shoot for humanity that a little bit is going
a long way. So I've really been noticing in my
community people who used to dose at one one fifty
are like, I'm just seing at fifty and getting the
same results that I used to get. So our healing

(45:20):
it's a really powerful.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
It is interesting you say that because the recent experiences
that I have, I hadn't had them in a while,
but I was able to take a lot lower dose
and have such a very profound experience that I would
have had on three to five grams only on about
one to two grams. So it is very interesting. I've

(45:40):
noticed that as well, A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, and we're seeing that with both when people are
talking about micro dosne as well as journeys too.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Let's talk a little bit about what you see happening
in the collective right now. You mentioned it a couple
of times that there's something going on, and I've noticed
something since twenty twelve, but it really started picking up
in twenty twenty with all the events that were starting
to unfold, and people started to become aware that their

(46:13):
reality isn't exactly what they've been told. Some people went
off the deep end, some people got depressed. Some people
just started to wake up and wanted to learn more
and more, and I was one of those people. But
what do you think is going on with the collective
right now? There's a lot of chaos, There's a lot
of unsureness, people are angry, people are confused. They still

(46:37):
have a lot of folks awakening, but it seems like
a very chaotic time in your understanding, what do you
think is happening right now?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yes, yes to all of that. I mean, I think
as I as I alluded to earlier, like we're in
this inflection point of our evolution, and I think one
of the primary factors I see in people growing or

(47:13):
resisting is the amount of fear we hold in our bodies.
That is the determining factor. And the more fear we
hold in our bodies, I mean, we see playing out
right now a lot of the extreme reactions of wanting

(47:34):
to control, wanting to go back to the way it
used to be. These top down hierarchy power over dynamics
are rooted in fear, right and rooted in fear, and
perpetuated by making people feel feel fearful and having a
response to that fear, lots of projection, lots of blame,

(47:55):
lots of othering power over. However, those people who are
stepping into their healing, who are stepping into metabolizing these fear,
kind of cutting chords on their ancestral lineage, on their addictions,
on these long standing patterns of trauma and the body.

(48:20):
Right now, they're such enormous potential and momentum behind that
right now, it can happen so fast, like he said,
like such little medicine is required right now to heal quickly,
Like people are really going to heal long standing conditions
very quickly now. People are going to manifest things very

(48:40):
quickly right now and evolve very quickly and have different gifts,
whether it's psychicability or telepathy, or being able to see
things before they happen, read situations, read and be sensitive
to other people's energy. This is going to become more
commonplace and we're going to be greatly humbled by how

(49:02):
much we have not known up until now. And so
that's really deciding quality I think in people right now
is how willing are you to work with your own
fear to heal yourself and with that courage stepping into
this whole new level of awareness and possibility and potential

(49:27):
for human beings.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It does seem like there will be a split of
people who are going to stay in that fear based
mentality that enjoy the power syst of the top down
hierarchy of control, that they don't know how to survive

(49:49):
without that control, so they're going to opt to be
part of that matrix system, while the other half of
people are going to start gravitating to so what's more
natural in their reality and a more spiritual connection. And
I see that happening right now, and it seems like
that is just going to continue to be the polarizing factor.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes, agree, and thank you for what you're doing, because
I think what you're doing is so vital right now.
You know, we're seeing real time how manipulated our mainstream
media is and the narratives, the fear narratives that underwrite
and subsidize all of their work. And so it's really

(50:36):
independent journalism, which you are, whether I don't know if
that was your intention or not, but it's kind of
our independent media, our independent journalists and voices that offer
free sharing, the free population of ideas that aren't rooted
in fear, that are rooted in collaboration and curiosity and communion.

(51:03):
That's the that's the future.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
For the last few minutes, talk a little bit about
common misconceptions, maybe some safety tips.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Oh yeah, there's so many, so many. So, I mean,
lots of my clients are fellow gen xers, right, and
we grew up with, you know, the whole dare thing
and the stigma. So they all of the substances are
so much safer than we have been led to believe.

(51:34):
You know, they are so magnanimous and gentle, and especially
when we're working with nature's medicines, right, But it's it's
I think my biggest harm reduction tip is to be
honoring and reverential of nature. Don't be human, don't be

(51:56):
overly human, which is always needing more, always needing the extreme,
always to wanting to take more. The more we kind
of sit in a seat of honor and reverence with
these substances, the more we're going to get back tenfold,
one hundredfold from them. I work with a very diverse audience. Yeah,

(52:18):
I want to say our age range now is nineteen
to ninety one and men and women, probably primarily women
because women come to the stuff first, always have right
look at any yoga class. But yeah, it's a really broad,

(52:38):
diverse group of practitioners at this point.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
For those that are looking for healing modality like psilocybin,
what would you suggest to them to start to educate
themselves about it And tell us any final thoughts that
you have for this discussion, anything that you feel important

(53:04):
for the audience to know that relates to what we discussed.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Ah, thank you for the opportunity. Yeah, absolutely. I think
what I would encourage people to do is listen to podcasts,
educate yourself. I'd say, tuned down the mainstream messaging you're
getting because a lot of it is very biased, and

(53:32):
pharma has a big bank roll, right and a vested
interest in people not healing themselves and people staying sick.
So listen to the independent voices out there to educate yourself.
Step into psychedelic communities. So it's really beautiful, it's very
my celial, much like the mushrooms. There's different psychedelic communities

(53:53):
that are popping up all over the country and world
that you can tap into and be connected with other
minded spirits and bring connection and community into your practice too,
which is so lovely right now. So we have a
global microtosin community that is from people over thirty countries
that is all virtual, all online. So if you're living

(54:16):
in a place where you're like, I don't know who
I can talk to about this. Here where I live,
we have a lot of that you can come and
step in with us. We gather two or three times
every month and we have microdocene guides there to help
coach you, bring you education, answer your questions about practice.
So that's a nice way to dip your toes into excellent.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Well, Casey, thank you so much. This was fantastic information.
Before I let you go, let everyone know the best
way to find out more about your community and more
about yourself.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, thank you so so much. Yes, the best way
to reach us is at micro dooscene for Healing dot com.
I'm also on all of the social media platforms. I'm
very accessible, so encourage and invite everybody to connect with
me there. If you have any questions, let me know.
But on microdosing for Healing dot com, there's lots of
information from our community programs to upcoming immersion and group programs,

(55:10):
as well as a training program. If you're a healer, coach, therapist,
doctor who would like to incorporate microdosne into your professional life,
we have programs for that too.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Do you find that many doctors and medical professionals are
starting to integrate that more?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yes, I see them, absolutely. That has really changed over
the last few years. Yeah, it was remarkable. I noticed
about two or three years ago they would hover. I
would see them following the work and kind of checking
it out, dipping their toes in. But it's really been
this year that they are now and a lot of

(55:51):
them honestly, when I talk to them and say, well,
what changed your mind? What brought you here? Two things
they say myself, you know, I had a really life
changing personal experience. I did a journey. It changed my life.
I'm microdosed. It changed my life. I need to bring
this to the world. Also to they say, my clients

(56:11):
are asking for it. My patients are asking me for it,
and I feel like to serve them. I need to
get educated around this thing that they if they're asking, that.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Is excellent that they are trying to unplug from that
indoctrination in programming that the doctors have received. So that's
very encouraging to heal to hear as well. Casey, thank
you so much. This was fantastic. Love to talk again
in the future. I'll have all your links in the
description so everyone can easily access it. Until next time, everyone,

(56:41):
have an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. We'll
see y'all.

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be just beyond the reach of our science, technology and

(58:11):
consciousness collective.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
There's layers upon layers upon layers. Does add such an
element of mystery to this place?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Why are we here?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
We're getting closer to the truth now.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities. I'm
focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Dreams involve interactions with real entities. People are waking up
paralyzed their sensing, or seeing something very evil in the room.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I have experienced sleep paralysis, shadow people start to appear.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I was taken from my earliest memories by non human
alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk
about these things.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in
our paranormal research, which.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
They don't have to gost.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Well, what if it's all of those things and none
of those things.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
The entities, the intelligence that were just beyond our understanding.
There seems to be something a little extra that can
take forms of anything. I can't believe what I've seen,
but it continues on.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
A daily basis.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
We're definitely not alone.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
UFOs, UAPs portals opening up.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I live with all this supernatural stuff. You kind of
grow up with that. Around here, you see a lot
of strange things. I don't like to talk about skinwalkers
too much.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
People they would say they were transform into bears, into wolves,
there's these bad things that occur, ghost UFOs and all
types of things coming from somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seemed to
heavily influence the nature of these experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
There is so much more that we just don't have
time for in this busy, loud, and noisy life that
we lead. All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.
There's so much more out there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
We really are picking up such a small small percentage
of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
The world is an amazing place.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
It feels like we're God's in training.

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