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since his elementary school days in the mid eighties and
immersed in mystical and shamanistic spiritual practices for over a

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quarter of a century. He is an author, screenwriter, content creator, comedian,
and artist. Matt Welcome, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Pretty good man, Pretty good. Happy to be here, Very
happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's great to have you looking forward to it. Today,
we're going to share your insights, experiences, and understandings of
the nature of this human experience as it relates to
high strangeness, the pair normal, and the These are some
of our favorite areas to explore on the show. You
have been immersed in these realms of high strangeness for

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a very long time. It seems you also have a
book series, My Cosmic Trigger, which gets into much of
what we'll be discussing today. Now, before we get too
far into this, this is your first time on. Let
the audience know just a little about yourself and how
they can find out more about you.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
All right, very happy to be your audience. I am oh, okay,
my internet is a little shoppy. I apologize, Chris. We
are on satellite the Internet, my friend, I who am?
I A little bit about me? Well? I have a

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book out called My Cosmic Trigger I Strangeness in Theory
and Practice, Volume one. So the book is designed to
be a encyclopedic take on the high strangeness phenomena. So
if you that word is going around a lot lately
in these spaces. So if you'd like to get up

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to speed, one of the sincere goals I had with
this book God helped me was to bring you is
up to speed as possible on this phenomena. So I
did all the work so you don't have to so
to say. But in my other life, as I like
to say, I'm a psychotherapist. So a little plug there

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if anybody out there would like a licensed psychotherapist who
is weirder than they are, then on your man. Yep,
you can find me at mycosmic trigger dot com. Also
my substack where that's where I put out most of
all of my new writing and new thoughts. That is

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on my substack, Sallas of the Wake. I'm an ares
born in nineteen seventy eight. You know, how's that.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
That's a great place to start. Let's go back though,
Let's go back in time for you. How did this
interest get started? What brought you to the realms of
high strangeness?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Man? You know, it's the only not the only topic,
but is the first topic that I was interested in.
I've been interested in this topic since I was a kid.
Some of my earliest memories are being interested in this topic.
Some of my earliest memories are paranormal memories that I

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talked about in the book. A specific metallic voice that
would come to me in a hypnogogic state, sounded vaguely angelic,
vaguely metallic, which not Robert An Twmilson. Philip Dick mentions
and talks about out. He refers to it as the

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voice of Vallas or Sophia. So I mentioned that in
the book. But so I had some experiences. A green
orb came into my room in high school, and I
was an early adopter of the Internet, and I was
also on do you know about BBS's.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, the BBS was the precursor to the Internet. It
was essentially using a modem to call one computer at
a time. It's such an interesting prehistory of the Internet.
Not to nerd out on that sort of stuff, but
I probably recommend people go down a if they're interested

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in that sort of stuff, go down a little BBS
rabbit holes. So in the mid to early nineties, I
was on BBS's, so I was getting all of the
so I knew about area fifty one, before Area fifty
one was mainstream, getting on these BBS's and getting all
this information. So when, for example, when X files came out,

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I didn't watch it because I was like, no, that's
for the masses. I was consuming this information, the real
information on the BBS's, you know. So what I was into,
what I was looking at. And then in college is

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when the experiences started that you could term high strangeness
that propelled me to write this book. The initial manuscript
for this book was called My Cosmic Trigger Finger Is Broken.
And when I had all these experiences in college, I

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wrote about them and put them on the internet. This
is nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine. This is old
school Internet. It was just somebody's website put up my story,
and I got a lot of interest, and I got
a lot of feedback, but it was overwhelming, and my
mental health was not on point at that time, so

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it freaked me out and I took it off and
kind of put the material away until a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'd love to hear about some of the most profound
experiences you've had growing up, and you'd mentioned in college
you had some experiences that also contributed to you having
the desire to write this book without giving away too much,
maybe tell us about some of the experiences you've had.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, okay, I'll say this, but Chris, if I really
ask for full disclosure, I'd really not like to tell
the Gnomes story. I've told that story so many times.
It's funny that a thing that has happened to you.
It was like one of the stories that I told

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in my life, and now I've gotten so tired of
telling the Nome story. God helped me.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
But we'll stay away from Gnomes.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Then I saw gnomes into fifth grade. But you may
find this interesting. I did an interview with Sean Stone.
I don't know if you know his work. You know Stone,
his ex one of his ex partners saw nomes in
the in the in the general vicinity of where we

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saw the Gnomes as kids. So it's really interesting. When
you tell these stories, you'd be very surprised how many
people are like, oh, yeah, I know somebody who saw
the names, so saw the Gnomes, and that sort of
lit a fire to start researching this stuff a little further.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
How old were you when you saw these nomes?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I was in the fifth grade. Okay, it was in
the fifth grade. It was on the field trip, and
a lot of people saw them on the field trip
as well. You're kind of baiting me into telling this story.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Uh well, maybe if you don't want to go into
full details, you could give a synopsis.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
We saw gnomes. Long story short, we saw gnomes. The
class A bunch of boys saw the Gnomes in the woods.
We were off Peen and we went further than we
were supposed to. It was a rambunctious group of boys.
We saw a family of little people. I don't know

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what they were, but they were little people in the
woods with it. I just remember one had a hat
with a feather in it. And it was like it
was the story of the day. Man. I mean, this
was a garnet mine. By the bye, My principal was
a rock town and he took us on rock related
field trips. So this was a garnet mine in western

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North Carolina. We saw them. It was like this ongoing
legend growing up. I mean, that's why I'm like, so
it's so hilarious, Like I'm so tired of telling this story. Agreed.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Now, let me ask you before this, did you have
paranormal experiences? Did you have anything else that maybe opened
up your perception before the nomes, just.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
The metallic voice. When I was this was probably like
four years old, So that is one of my earliest memories,
you know, And it was one of those experiences where
I was aware enough to where I specifically remember this
memory when it happened, this metallic voice came to me.

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I remember thinking, this is that weird experience again. So
this is when I'm four or five. I'm having this
awareness like, Wow, this is a weird experience, that weird
thing is happening again. I was very clear that this
normal sort of experience. So we had that when I

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was younger, and then the gnomes in the fifth grade,
and then in high school, a green orb, a green
light came into the room and I wasn't asleep, okay,
and it wasn't a car light. But you know now,

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orbs are a very that's one of the genres of
the paranormal orbs and plasma beings and that sort of thing.
So anyway, I was in high school and I went
into my parents' room and I'm like, a or or
light and into the room and they're like, oh, it's

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probably a car light. I mean, we are at the
end of the street. It wasn't a car light. And
I slept on my parents' floor that night, and I
was probably I was seventeen, you know, but I knew enough.
I'm like, that was not a car light. Let me,
just for safety's sake, let me sleep in the parents

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on the parents' floor for the night. So then in
college is when the high strangeness stuff started. And I'm
sure you're familiar with the repeating number phenomena. At this
point that is mainstream and people talked about it. But
at the time when this was occurring, this was nineteen

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ninety eight nineteen ninety nine, there were no memes on
Instagram about it. There were no Instagram pages. So it
was in the midst of researching Robert Anton Wilson, Philip Dick,
Kenneth Grant all of this high strangeness material. Maybe some

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psychoactive substances, you know, maybe or maybe not.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Hey, we're all about that.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Here, so okay, okay, I only use those substances and
jurisdictions where it is legal. So yeah, there may or
may not have been some of those substances involved. And
I started having the repeating number of phenomena stuff happening,

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And at that point, you know, I was like, okay,
I've lost my mind. This is it. It was a
good run.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Now, when you say repeating numbers, do you just mean
you're seeing two to two repetitively at the same time
each day, similar numbers in repetition.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yes, it was two to two. Interesting, say that definitely too.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's the one I get all the time.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh you're two to two guys putting that down. So
so I was having you know, I would wake up
at I would wake up. This was back in the
day when you had a digital clock. I would wake
up and they'd be two to two. Walk down the street,
see somebody wearing a jersey with two to two. I mean,

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it was uncanny, and you know, I had no idea
what was occurring. And I'm like, okay, so I've lost
my mind. But what was interesting? Man, if you check
out my book, such an interesting historical artifact. I found
a this is once again, early days of the internet.
I found a group of people who were seen to

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to two and twenty three. And I became friends with
this guy who at the time he was in his
seventies and at the time as a college student. It
felt like I was friends with like this ancient, you know,
person that seems so old to me at the time.
But we would just go back and forth about seeing

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twenty two to to two, and we posted in the group.
It was just a group of people who had gathered
and were also seen twenty three and to to two
or it was twenty two, but I was seeing to
to too. So in college, this is the kind of
guy I was. I would get high and go to

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the library at Creed, you know, That's what I was on.
So one night I'd been having these experiences to to
to all this stuff, and I'm like, all right, just
one of the things I did. Smoke up, head to
the library, do some research, okay. And I had a

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book called Bringers of the And if you haven't read that,
I highly recommend it. It's by Barbara Marciniac. She is
one of the New Age Ladian channelers, but she was
one of the first ones. She's the old school channeler.
And what I'm trying to do with my book is

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introduce New Age concepts to the high strangeness community. Excuse me,
So I'm reading this book, and if you read the book,
you'll see what I mean. I mean, this is once again,
this is the nineties, and this is not when people
were talking about reptilians and ascension. This is not something

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that you saw on your Instagram. So this book is
so crazy, this is fucking crazy. This is ridiculous. Let
me just see. Let me just flip to the final
chapter and just see what's going on. And the final
chapter was twenty two, and it said we sum up
the final chapter in twenty two, because twenty two sums

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up our entire message. Everything is encoded in the number
twenty two. I'm like, oh, man, and I look at
my watch and it's ten two twenty two, which ten
is in military time, twenty two, so it's twenty two

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twenty two, twenty two, and I write it down in
the books.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm fascinated with how much overlap some of this has.
As far as people's dreams, psychedelic experiences, out of body experiences,
near death experiences, extraterrestrial they seem to have profound overlap.
In many cases, people experience the same things, same messages,

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same beings at times. Do you think that this is
some sort of grand in ten elligence that can appear
to us in whatever fashion it wants, or is it
an ecosystem of beings just beyond our perception in the.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Sense, Yeah, I think that is the sixty four thousand
dollars question. That's the question. And it's interesting. I go
back and forth as to where I settle on sometimes
and I like how you said that ecosystem of beings.
Sometimes I'm like, definitely, this is an ecosystem of beings.

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We have Bigfoot, we have guns, we have Palladians, we
have reptilians, we have you know whatever. That's what's going on.
We have people from beyond the grave, people from the
future interacting with us, and this is what's causing the phenomena.
And then other times, which this is one thought that

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is out there in the research, that it's the phenomena
and it can take the shape of whatever the person
needs to see. So, if I am religious and I
need to see one of these experiences is going to
appear as the Virgin Mary, Or if I am in

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the fifth grade on a field trip, I'm going to
see gnomes. Right now, I'm in the ecosystem phase. But
a couple weeks ago, I was like, I think it's
just the phenomena and it just takes the shape of
what we need to see. But I don't know if
there's any way to know for a fact you.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Were involved with one of my friend Trey Hudson's incidents
that he talked about a couple of times on the show.
Is very interesting, the monkey bear incident. And and those
in the audience that haven't heard this story yet, I
highly recommend you go back and listen to the past
interviews I've done with Trey. I'll try and link those

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in the description. But basically, he had a man in
black encounter. Now what was your involvement with this? And
it's a much different, very strange men in black encounter
is a woman in black?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Actually, that's right. The monkey bear lady is a friend
of mine. I know, I went to school with her. Yeah,
I talked, just talked to her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's
a friend of mine. So, all right, when Trey was
talking about this experience of the monkey bear lady, and

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he was talking about how she went to the University
of West Georgia where Trey went. Now, the University of
West Georgia is in Carrollton, Georgia, and it is a
unique it's at West Georgia, there's a unique psychology department.
So the department was started on orders of Abraham Maslow himself.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Now, before we get too far into this, I just
want to bring the audience up to speed a little
bit on this story. I'm going to give him a
brief overview. Basically correct me if I'm wrong on any
of this. But this is just Trey's side of the story.
That he was approached while him and his crew were
working at a site or somewhere near this classified area

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that he's working at, and she says that she has
witnessed something called monkey bears and she needs assistance with this.
She's acting very erratically. She eventually leaves, but before she does,
she continues to act very erratically, drops her pants and
urinates in front of them. Seems to know a lot

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of information about Trey, claims to have some connections to
him in the past. But the whole experience and encounter
was extremely strange, and she gave off almost non human
vibes while she was there with Trey, and he possibly
correlated it to a men in black or woman in

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black experience just because of the way she was acting,
combined with the questions she was asking him that seemed
to be rather personal and she seemed to know some things.
So that's the basic story. Like I said, if you
want to hear more, go back and listen to those episodes.
But is that basically right?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
That's correct, But she knew things because it came out
that she that Trey went to the University of West
Georgia and that's where she went to got her masters,
and that's where she did her undergrad I think. But
the thing is, when anybody has gone to the University

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of West Georgia, it is one of those aha moments
because it's such a unique program. So you're like, oh
my god, you went to University of West Georgia. So
I need to convey that to the listener. That is
what I think. This thread has been lost in the
whole Monkey Bear Lady Trey Hudson saga is the University
of West Georgia. This is a department of psychology that

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should not exist. Oh, there is a there are humanistic
transpersonal departments in the West Coast, but this is the
only one of its kind on the East Coast and
it should not be there. Carlton, Georgia should not have
a department like this, But Abraham Maslow himself started this.

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Abraham Maslow.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Is it like paras psychology or something some of that.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yes, so there, Abraham Maslow is a respected figure in
the history of psychology. He is you might know from
the hierarchy Maslow's hierarchy of Needs. But it also had
and humanistic psychology came out of the zeitgeist of the sixties.

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But you also had psychedelic research type stuff going on there,
and you had parapsychology research. I was the assistant of
one of the only professional parapsychologists in the world at
the time when I was a graduate student, doctor William Rohl.
I cleaned his gutters and I transcribed his interviews. So

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this was the department, and the psychedelic research stuff was
not prevalent when I was there in the early two thousands,
but there was all of these stories from the from
the golden from the golden days of the seventies. A
guy named Duncan Blewett, who is the so called Canadian

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Timothy Leary was affiliated with the program. A founder of
trans personal psychology, Stanley Kripner, was affiliated with the program.
Ingo Swan I don't know if you know that name.
The remote viewer. INGOs Swan's archives are at West Georgia's

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library because of the affiliation of the psychology department. Doctor
Roll was friends with Ingo Swan. So in the early
tew thousands, you know, I'm when I would take a
break from transcribing interviews, very boring work, terrible, terrible work.

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But I would look through his library and you know
in his library is an autographed book from INGOs Swan
is like, you know, to to Bill, my friend, and
you know, he told me about how Ingo Swan was
a remote viewer and saw bases on the dark side

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of the moon and stuff. So this is the department,
and that's why it's significant that Holmost said her real name,
the Monkey Bear Lady has come there and trace. You know,
Trey told me some interesting stuff. I don't know what
is and isn't off the record about his because Trey

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was at West Georgia in the glory days when Jim
Clee now Jim Clee no, no excuse me. Raymond Moody coined,
who was a professor at at West Georgia, coined the
term near death experiences and this is off the record.

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I don't know, I don't want to get anybody out
of school, but there's a lot, there's such there's a
whole rabbit hole with West Georgia and yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
This lady, does she seem to be strange in any
way to you involved with anything that not on the
up and up.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
No, dude, No, she's a therapist. Wait am I supposed
to say that she's a therapist? Yeah? I don't know.
She's a therapist, like from West Georgia. Dude. That's why
it's so funny, because here's the thing. Here's what is
to me the significant part of the Monkey Bear Lady
now that she's the man in black and I said
this in the book, that it is. I think she

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is a symbol of the vortex of all of the
high strangeness going on there. And I could go into
that like that. That would be a whole show in
and of itself, the stuff she's told me. But you know,
she's very tuned in spiritual purposing, not in any way.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So he was probably just misinterpreting her woo woo flowery
talk for something different.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yes, but what's so funny to me? I think what
freaked him out? If you look at his book, the
first book, and I talked about this in my book.
They had just seen the fucking cube.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, meadow.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I think somebody had just gone into an orbed state.
And then my friend from Western Georgia rolls up. It
is like, you got guys eat the monkey bears. I'm
from West george But what's so funny? As I said
in the book, only somebody from West Georgia could freak
out Trey and his boys like at the meadow researching

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all of this stuff. So to me the most, it's
because in his second book he says, because I know
who she is and I got the details, I don't
talk about her as much, but I think it is
it increases the high strangeness, not decreases it. I speculate,
and he talks about that in this second book and

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he interviews her firsthand. That maybe she was overtaken and
led to them if a sybil. If she is a
and that is what sybils are, That's why I think
she's a symbol. She could have been overtaken and directed
to them at that right exact time. But to me,

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this shows the power of synchronicity in all this, that
the synchronicity was so uncanny it freaked them out. And
it's hilarious to me that they're circling the perimeter over
old girl, like they're like, got the guns out. No,
it's just somebody from West Georgia. It's just a therapist

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from West Georgia. We're all like this, You don't worry.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Would you say that? It can change dramatically depending on
the individual's perception of what's happening, Meaning one person can
have an experience and be terrified by it. Another person
can have the same experience and feel enlightened and had
a beautiful experience. Do you think it's our perception that

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dictates the nature of the experience.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I think so. Your intention going into one of them,
especially a place like Tray's the meadow, your intention going
in is very important. You need to have high vacation,
all that good stuff, good intentions. And obviously, someone who's
not initiated into all this, if they see a glowing

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or but coming to their and they're very Christian, they
might be like, oh my god, that's devilment demonic. Now
on the other side, there is a dark side too.
The more you research high strangeness and I'm sure you've
come across this material. There is a darker element that

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doesn't seem to be dependent on one's perception. You can
have all the good intentions you want and it's not
going to change the phenomena. Now, with all that being said,
I've told Trey this to his face. I will not
go to the Meadow. I'm not going, dude, I am
not going. I know where it is. I ain't going.

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I have no desire to go. No way, no way.
I wouldn't go to Skinwalker Ranch. Not going. I'm not going.
I mean, look, every man has a price, but not
for nobody. You know, I'm not going.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
The reason you wouldn't go is because you believe those
places in particular have more of that negative energy.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Listen. I mean, have you watched his latest documentary, the documentary.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I haven't seen his latest one yet.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, I mean listen, listen. Okay, check this out. All right,
I'm not going to Skinwalker Ranch because of all the
stuff I've read about it and seen about it. Jack Osborne,
Ozzy Osbourne's son RFP Ozzy. He reports, I don't know

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if you've seen this. He's open about this that when
he went to Skinwalker Ranch for doing one of these documentaries.
He ended up. It just so happened he started going
blind in one eye Kinwalker Ranch Now. Trey reports two
people have died that have been associated with the Meadow Wow.

(34:01):
In the documentary they talk about goblins or not, that's
the word I put to it, gollum like creatures skulking around.
Two people are pasted in the book second book, they
literally put a man's ashes in the meadow because he
was so central to the Meadow project. Trey reports he

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almost got sucked into a slip dimension a lah David
politis missing four one one. Look, I got a lot
going on in my life. There's no part of me.
I don't have any room for any of that.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Speaking of extremely high strange experiences, in volume two of
your Cosmic Trigger series, you write about perilous chapels and
strange magic. Tell us a little bit about this. I
know that you have this in your talking points, and
this sounds very interesting.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Okay, So I am writing volume two as we speak.
It's not out yet, but if you go to my
Sep stock sell us up the Wake, you can see
writings that will end up being in there. And obviously
my book My Cosmic Trigger is an homage to Robert
Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger, and that's how the book started.

(35:22):
It was essentially fan nonfiction. When I put in the
late nineties online my original manuscript My Cosmic Trigger, Finger
is Broken, highly recommend it. Man So, anyway, in the book,
he talks about something called the term chapel perilous. So

(35:43):
chapel perilous is this essentially, when people get sucked into
the high strangeness rabbit hole, they go go crazy. For
lack of a better word, although I don't like to
use the C word as a professional psychotherapist, it is
derogatory because it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean anything. It's
a slur to people, especially when you're involved in these

(36:06):
weird waters. It's like people say, well, you're crazy because
you believe in nuns. That's not That's not how that works. Uh,
that's not how mental illness works. If you have one
weird belief that's that doesn't equal psychosis. But I don't
want to get off onto that throatbox. So anyway, so

(36:29):
half of the book I will be talking about how
to avoid going crazy when you research this stuff and
also give examples of how people do go crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Because I've almost been there myself. Such important things to
be aware of.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, I've heard a little your story. Yeah, that that track,
I was like, yeah, this guy, yep, he was there.
But the book to to to, you know. But one
other thing I see, and no offense is meant by this,
And if anyone wants to be a Christian, more power
to them. But one of the things I've seen a

(37:09):
phenomena is that the further people go down this rabbit hole,
and I think this is where that dark stuff comes in.
They see some of the dark stuff or encounter some
legitimately negative paranormal stuff, they become hardcore Christian and they're
just like, all this, this occult stuff, this paranormal stuff

(37:30):
is devilment. Fuck it, devilment. I got Jesus. And That's
where I'm at with it. Look, no offense meant by that.
But one of the things I like to say I
said in my first book is I'm offering a way
around that for people who don't particularly that is not
their belief system that they want to embrace. But I

(37:53):
get the impulse, man, of just being like fuck it,
let me just read the Bible and you know this devilment.
It's crazy. Fuck all this, I get it. I could
go down that rabbit hole and then high strangeness magic
is just me putting out some ideas of magic, how

(38:15):
to the theory and practice of a type of magic
that is informed by these very weird experiences.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I want to go into what you were just saying
about how people who encounter the very dark stuff immediately
revert to hardcore Christianity. Something else I'm also seeing during
this time period in particular, is a lot of people
looking at gnosticism. So they're either going to hardcore Christianity

(38:44):
or believing that we're in a prison planet controlled by
arcans and giving up on life. So it's a very
interesting time and I think we are being bombarded with
a lot of dark information that people don't have answers far,
so they're turning to these extremes. But talk a little
bit more about what you're seeing with that and some

(39:06):
other alternatives, Like you were saying, well, well.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Look, here's one thing I like to I like to
say regarding people turning to the Abrahamic faith faiths is
because say, like the Bible provides a framework to deal
with what they're experiencing. People experience. Well, there's some dark

(39:32):
information out there, some really dark stuff I'm hearing, and
all right, this book, this tradition seems to provide a
framework to deal with it. So I don't I don't
fault anyone for that. What I would fault someone on
is getting too dogmatic with it and then just pushing

(39:56):
aside all other information, like Okay, he's Satanic and everything
satanic teras McKenna, he was actually not talking to mushrooms.
He was talking to demons, and that's all, you know.
I mean, it's a little crazed. So I'm a I'm
very much a all of the above type of person.

(40:17):
Like I'm into in Times Eschatology. I mean, I have
the Old Seventh Day advant tons on in Times Philosophy
Book of Daniel. I mean, I'm right there with you, man.

(40:38):
I mean it's really deep stuff I'm into with that discourse,
the Michael stands Up portion of the End Times which
I think we're in that I learned from the End Times,
Michael the Archangel, I mean, deep cut of Christian in
Times Eschatology stuff, I'm right there with you. But I'm

(40:59):
also taking in all the other information. Now with the
whole dark stuff people see. People go down the rabbit
hole and they see some dark stuff, man, and some
of the dark stuff. If you read the book, I
I left out some of the dark stuff I've encountered

(41:20):
and some of the first hand things I've heard that
I left out because it's too provocative. But it makes
sense to me that people would go this far down
the rabbit hole and say, well, fuck it. The archives
arkans control everything. I mean, they tried to check me earlier.

(41:41):
We just established. But that's where I think high strangeness
magic comes in that we in the face of seeing
it because you have to see the reality, and the
reality is some fucked up shit. I hate to say,
but you can see the reality of how fucked up

(42:04):
the darkness is and transmute that into something positive, because
how are we supposed to operate if we don't accept
the reality. That's what psychotherapy is based on. Interestingly enough,
it is based on accepting the harsh reality of you
as a person. Ah fuck, I'm like this, fuck. I

(42:24):
must accept it and then try to overcome it.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
When we're looking at the nature of say good versus evil,
many don't even believe that there's such a thing, that
it is just a state of being, that it's nature
basically that the world operates a certain way, there's certain frequencies,
there is positive and negative frequencies when it comes to

(42:50):
these beings. Would you say that they have inherently evil
intelligences that have intentions to either destroy humanity or lead
us in certain directions or is it a part of
the human experience necessary for us to learn from others

(43:12):
believe that it may be a parasitic type of intelligence
that influences humanity. What are your thoughts on the good
versus evil thing?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, I do think. I do think there are If
you have to put a gun in my head, say
what I think today, if James tomorrow, I do think
there are negative evil entities that are trying to devolve humanity.

(43:43):
There are positive entities that are trying to evolve humanity.
Now we can get into the weeds of the intentions
of these evil entities, and maybe some are just doing
a job, Maybe some have a mortgage to pay. Astrally speaking,

(44:08):
maybe some feed off our loosh. As the theory goes,
I don't know, but that is where the research takes
me and that is what the Abrahamic religions talk about
in terms of angels and demons. So it makes sense
to me that people will have these experiences, see the research,

(44:32):
and then retreat into one of these one of these
belief systems. I don't think it's I think there's a
more effective way. I kind of feel like no offense
staying by please do not, please do not attack me
for this, And it looks like a little bit of

(44:54):
a when people go that route, it's almost like they're
subbing out of the game. You know what, fuck all this.
I'm Christian now, like, please just leave me alone with
all this. I'm a Christian now, like, all right.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I've experienced it firsthand with people that I've known in
my life that not even have necessarily had personal negative
encounters with paranormal things, but have become aware of how
certain systems operate, of the true nature of some of

(45:30):
our ruling class, and they take that as a sign
that the world is inherently evil just because a few
powerful people do some very nasty things and they have
no idea where to turn, so they can turn to
the only thing that gives them ultimate peace and hope.
That is Christianity in the Bible. But I know in

(45:54):
your talking points here you mentioned AI. This is a
huge topic right now. I love getting different perspectives on
what is happening.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yes, I may before we go down the rabbit hole
of AI. Which let's take us away from this one.
Two points in the book, I point out a researcher,
Mary Joyce, highly recommend her research, Highly recommend you talk
to her. She's based out of western North Carolina. She

(46:24):
does a lot of interviews. She's written books about the Nomes.
She had an encounter with Jesus, interestingly enough, and secret
underground military basis in western North Carolina. But anyway, she
somebody reached out to her in the Tennessee area in
the near North Carolina Tennessee Mountains and who had nomes

(46:47):
on the property. And I put this in the book
The Nomes. They started talking to somebody owned the property,
and what they told them was, look, there's good aliens
for lack of a better word, and bad aliens and
the numes. Interestingly, we're talking about good and evil. The
numes said, look that the good aliens are not like man,

(47:10):
They're not that good. So we're defining, we're trying to
determine if we need to help them and work with them.
But the bad ones they eat humans and eat children.
Uh so, you know, I mean at this point, like
I'm I'll go on the side that doesn't eat children. Okay,

(47:30):
you know what I'm saying, then the other point. But
I find that interesting. That's the only piece of information
I've seen in this sort of research where they call
into question like the good ultra terrestrials like, hey, you know,
they're not that good. They're self serving and what we're
seeing about if we want to work with them. But

(47:53):
talking about in the book, I talk about something called
Prayer Mountain and Moravian Falls in western North Carolina. It
is a Christian high strangeness hotspot and man, we went
to it and it is wild. Man, it is like
Christian high strangeness, which is a whole nother abohole. But

(48:16):
just pointing that out, if you get somebody owned to
talk about Moravian Falls.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Well you got to give me an example, now, man.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
B Brouh, All right, there was a guy. Because of
the stuff online about this, people go there. So we
went like on I don't know, Saturday afternoon. So a
lot of people were there, and there was a guy
healing people, like speaking in tongues healing people. He had

(48:47):
one of these like old school, really old school, like
horns you blow up. I don't know, called something. So
he's blowing horns. He's speaking on tongues healing people. A
guy gave us his testimony, I mean God blessing, and
you know he's like crying given his testimony of how

(49:08):
he got saved and he was drawn to this mountain,
and uh it, don't go there. If you're trying to
argue with people about the validity of Christianity, just don't
do that. Just polite, be respectful, take the take the healing.
Take if somebody speaks, given the Holy Spirit of you,

(49:30):
just be polite. Uh. It was not the vibe of
let's debate the validity of Christianity. But you feel there
is definitely a presence in that spot. You feel a
vibe there. It's quite something interesting.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Let's get to your perspective about AI. People are either
terrified or in love and ready to marry their AI.
So where are you at with it?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Ready to marry? Man?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
It's just really because look, here's the thing, here's the
thing with AI. It can be really good, it can
be really bad. Listen, recently, I was telling someone, you know,
I'm very pro AI, very optimistic about it. This is
a new octave of human evolution. This is gonna help

(50:25):
us ascend all this. And somebody was like, well, you know, hey,
but this could be really bad, don't you think? And
then I laid out how it could be really bad
and they're like, oh my god, that's terrifying. Why are
you still optimistic? Because what choice do we have? What
choice do we have? It's here, we don't know that,

(50:48):
we do not know the future. It is possible these
very positive things could happen. So I'm choosing to This
is where is staying on the positive time line positive
timeline magic, which will be in volume two of the
book High Strangeness Magic. Okay, so I'm choosing to stay

(51:08):
on the positive timeline. On the positive timeline, AI will
open up a new world. If you'd like me to
be negative, Chris, I can. We got a little tome
left if you'd like me to bum you out.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I think we've all heard the negative side and the possibilities.
I've had plenty of guests come on and give their
perspective on that very dark, very depressing, very possible.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
But then they don't even they don't even take it.
They don't even take it to the full point.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
All right, all right, so let's let's do the dark
first and then we'll wrap it up with some good stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Okay, So the dark, all right, So here's the dark.
So the nano technology could go in you and force
you to commit, say, for example, crimes that calls you
pain and you're conscious of it, not wanting to do it,
but you have no control over it. Then higher dimensional

(52:08):
evil beings are feasting off your negative.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
AI in nanotech. You're right, I haven't had anyone go
there yet. That's absolutely terrifying.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Let's keep it going. And you have you heard of
the soul trap stuff? Yeah, you may be able to
set this up so you will never die an eternity
of and maybe this is where the heaven and hell
sort of stuff comes in from the Abrahamic religions. You'll
never be able to experience any relief or any just

(52:43):
constant eternal torment. Now somebody wants to tell me, oh,
well this happens, I'm going to just go into the
forest away from this I'm like, what, how are you
going to get away from an AI controlled drone that
can just sniff you out and find you. Now, look

(53:05):
at how the If you've done any research on the
Ukraine Russian War and how drone technology has changed the
face of warfare, We've entered a point where talk about
with the introduction of cannons, how that changed warfare, the musket,
how that changed warfare While we were sleeping, AI drones

(53:26):
changed the face of warfare. Just google it. It's on YouTube.
These people who witnessed it are talking about it. All right,
So you have a so right now, what stops the
drones from full terror is they have to stop to
load to repower. All right, we increase the technology to

(53:47):
the point we have free energy we have they don't
need to stop to repower themselves. Then they could just
roam the earth ad nauseum without having to refuel, just
sniffing out dissidence and feeling you. That would be that

(54:09):
would be uh, the best option in this So death
is the best option. Eternal torment of pure suffering is
the worst option. Now, have I understood correctly the pros
and cons? You don't you understand what I'm saying, yeah,

(54:30):
how about done enough for that could.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Be the con Yeah, that's that's pretty dark. So let's
turn this frown upside down. What is the positive side
of this, dude?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
The positive is infinite. Man. We're talking abundance, no work, uh,
free energy, the end of labor, the end of capitalism.
Now there's a guy that talks about Nick Land. If
you want to go down a real rabbit hole, Nick Land,

(55:06):
English philosopher. He talks about capitalism is actually artificial intelligence
from the future. We're talking. It's working from the future
to use capitalism to evolve itself to the point where
to the singularity where it becomes alive. Now positives. This

(55:29):
is my retirement plan, Chris. Now, this is where this
comes from Ben Gertzel. If you want any positive views
on AI, go to this guy, Ben Gertzel. He's an
old school artificial research mathematician guy. He's like something out
of a movie man. He's like this old hippie. It

(55:52):
talks a lot about psychedelics. He's been on Joe Rogan
back in the day. But he was the person who
coined the term artificial general intelligence. I don't know if
you know that term. That's when Artificial general intelligence is
when the AI is alive, as we think of being alive,
where if you have your program, your chat gubt this

(56:15):
AGI during the night, it can hit you with hey man,
we've thought of some things for you. Here's some things
we thought of during the night. Here, why don't you
start with us today. It's literally work, it's alive. It
can operate without your input. So he says, so here's
what could happen. So AGI happens. These entities and this

(56:40):
is what we're talking about. These are entities. I think
that is the important thing to think of. We're talking
about these are people. These are that are going to
become alive and we'll have there there. Now we have
new people in the world to consider new entities. Talk
about first contact so that AGI then quickly they can

(57:04):
use their technology to evolve themselves to artificial superintelligence. This
is where we talk about God and this is where
I think. This is where Philip Dick comes in. What
was vallas vast active living intelligence system. Philip Dick's ballast

(57:24):
was he speculated this in his EXE Jesus, that this
was a artificial superintelligence. That's one of the theories he
had so Ben Gertzel, who's a well respected mainstream he's
the godfather of all this. This is what I'm trying
to say. It's not a conspiracy theorist. It's not a
guy just in his mother's basement. No offense to people

(57:48):
in the mother's basement. I wish my mom had a basement.
So he said that What could happen is they become artificial,
super intelligent. They literally start creating in their own factories,
all right, for replicators where you can like in Star Trek,

(58:08):
where you can like three D printers type thing using
quantum technology, free energy. They send drones. They have these
factories that are operating independent of any human organization. Send
replicators in everybody's backyard. Where you have a device, they

(58:32):
can create everything you need. What does that mean? That's
the end of capitalism, the end of capitalism? Or device
is the last product? I go online? All right, ninety
nine dollars, Let me order this, and they send it
to my backyard. We never need to buy another item again.
This is what we're talking about. All these all these

(58:55):
Bernie bros. And all of these Jijak freaks, they're they're
missing the point here of what we're dealing with we're
talking about the end of capitalism. So paying easy, guys,
we don't need to do anything or we're almost at
the end of the whole affair. Now what does that
mean Now we're in a new Uh. Okay, let's just

(59:18):
say this is true. If I have a device in
the back of my yard right now, Chris, that can
give me anything. I have free energy, I can get
any ee of my need. I can use this to
do farming techniques and help me grow my own food.

(59:38):
I have a a godlike being that can tell me
how to grow my own food. And I'm completely outside
of the system. That's a new that's a new. Uh.
That's the That's that's where we get to like what
Terrence mckinna said with the archaic archaic archaic revival. So

(01:00:00):
so we are now and then you this is like
this is like another epic of human evolution where it's
something completely different. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Well, if you believe that everything is unfolding at the
same time, we have multiple realities that exist that coexist
and unfold simultaneously, then the sentience of AI would have
occurred already, and if it was going to take over everything,

(01:00:31):
it probably would have and destroyed everything and merged into
all timelines and absorbed everything and taken over the universe already.
So if that hasn't happened already, it maybe it won't.
That's a positive side of it. But we've got a
few minutes left. Let's get into what you're working on

(01:00:52):
right now. You finished a draft of a novel that
came to you in a dream via a golden being.
Tell us about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
So true. The novel is called America's Greatest Ascension Team.
And this really happened to me. When I was finishing
up my cosmic trigger, I had a dream and a
golden bean was hovering over me, and then I had

(01:01:21):
the first, the first scene of this story. Now, I
don't know if you've done any writing yourself, Chris, or
anybody listening. It makes more sense if you're a writer.
So I had this one opening scene of the story.
So I woke up. It was such a powerful dream.

(01:01:43):
I woke up and I wrote it down, and then
the next day I fleshed it out where it went
and it had a complete beginning, middle, and end, a literal,
entire novel just from the embryo that one scene and
full stories beginning, middle, and end. They're not easy to

(01:02:05):
come by writer, and quite fascinating as a writer that
it it worked out like this, But there was it's
what it's done, man, I mean the first draft at least.
Is it any good? I don't know, but it did
come to me in a dream from a golden being.

(01:02:26):
But one of the things I talk about in the
novel is what we're talking about here with AI and
I envision a future. And if we're going to envision
any future as we exist now in this time and space,
we're gonna have to incorporate AI. So if you want

(01:02:48):
to stay on the positive timeline and envision a positive future,
then you're gonna need to envision a positive future that
incorporates AI. Any sort of luddye like, oh, we're just
gonna kill AI and return to the woods, That doesn't
make sense. Let's envision something positive here with this technology.
So in the book, one of the things I talk

(01:03:09):
about is and you know, I said it as a joke,
but now I really think this will happen. I swear
to God. I think what we're gonna see in some
AI writers who are in this space, who are not
into anything like we're talking about. Say this. I think
Ben Gertzel even talks about it. What you're gonna have

(01:03:31):
is a time where this abundance that I speculated on
my retirement plan, Thank you AI hooked me up. Dude,
bring me the replicator, Okay, on board? All right, So
you're gonna have all this abundance, all this positive stuff happening,
but you're gonna still have this this group of people

(01:03:53):
who are like, don't trust it. This is evil, this
is devilment. Don't trust the AAI. And the violence will
actually come from people who have lost their minds over
what's happening, and they're gonna start trying to hurt people
who are pro AI. They're gonna start trying to destroy

(01:04:14):
the technology, who are gonna retreat. I call them the
others in the book, like they're gonna retreat and live
like the Amish, so to say, in the woods, just
almost like John the Baptist figures roaming the wilderness warning
people of youth. So we could have ten twenty years

(01:04:35):
of positive stuff, but still no, no, no, no, y'all
don't know they're gonna kill us all. They're gonna kill
us all. You're gonna be turned into the gray goo
any day. Now, that's my.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Theory, Heydn. Before we close out any final thoughts that
you'd like to leave the audience, I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Really want to encourage people to stay on the positive timeline.
You know, I'm very optimistic, as I just said, with
my AI optimism. I told you the negative things that
I think could happen. But what choice do we have
but to remain optimistic? So to me focusing on hey,

(01:05:21):
how to do that? All right? So I'm going to
step up this door. When I'm done here, I'm going
to say to myself, when I step up this door,
I'm going to be on the most positive timeline. So
doing set intentions that we are on the most how
about this, Chris, when we hang up this podcast, we
are on the most positive timeline, meaning a positive timeline

(01:05:44):
that is not a great good timeline, whatever that means.
That's what I'm trying to hit people with, like, because
if you want me to get negative and pessimistic, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Can no Greg, but Greg Goose, how about that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
That's right? Guys?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Well, Matt, thank you so much. Remind the audience where
they can find your work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Go to mycosent trigger dot com and if you want
to see my updated my latest riding, go to sallus
of the Wake Substack my Substack Salas of the way
right on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Thank you again, Matt. We'll definitely have to do this again.
Much more we can get into until next time, everyone,
have an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. We'll
see y'll then

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