Portals to The Upside Down, Dimensional Slips, Orbs, Cryptids & Cubes, The Meadow | Trey Hudson - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on? It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

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The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
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(01:09):
Knowledge dot News. It's the home of the Forbidden Knowledge Network.
We feature some of your favorite podcasts and content creators Today,
I want to welcome back to the show Trey Hudson.
He is the director of the Oxford Paranormal Society and
its Anomalist Studies and Observation Group. He is an Eagle
Scout and former Army intelligence officer. He has a psychology

(01:32):
degree from the University of West Georgia and a thirty
plus year career as a US government security specialist specializing
in security of sensitive assets, anti terrorism, security of WMD,
emergency management, and other specialties. Trey, welcome back. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I'm doing great, man, doing great. You know, living the
dream every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You can see that.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You've been very busy since we last spoke. First, I
wanted to thank you again for being a part of
my film Doors of Perception, available on Amazon Prime. Thank
you so much. You did a great service to that.
And now you have a new documentary, The Meadow Project,
which you produce with our friend Tony Merkel. You also

(02:19):
have a short documentary, Helm and Lens. I'm really looking
forward to sharing these with the audience and hearing about
some of your new recent research from the Meadow. There's
a lot we can get to here before we do.
Remind the audience, just a little bit about yourself and
let them know how they can find out more.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah. I you know, what I tell people is basically
I'm a you know, a regular guy. But I've just
had some extraordinary opportunities in my life. I was an
Army intelligence officer, got injured early in my career, cycled
over to the civilian side with the Department of the
Army and basically jump right into the intelligence side of that.

(02:59):
You know, it continued with the thirty four year career.
Retired as a chief of Intelligence and Security management at
one of a Department of Defenses organic industrial bases. But
I've always been a student of the uh, this strange,
you know, the unusual, the weird. I guess that was,
you know, kind of a little maladaptive, you know, ten
year old sponge sitting in front of the TV watching

(03:20):
In Search of with Leonard Nimoy, and you know all
of those amazing stories and mysteries and so, you know,
as I became an adult, I went to the University
of West Georgia, studied under people like the famous parapsychologist
doctor William Roll. Bill Roll, and I just have a
natural interest in this stuff, and I started off kind
of as a ghost guy, you know, as a lot

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of us do. And then I started realizing that all
of this stuff is interrelated. I can't you know, partition
ghost stuff and bigfoot stuff and UFO stuff, It's all related.
So I went on a quest to really expand my
horizons become I became a mouff On field investigator, which
I still am. I've work with and studied under, you know,

(04:03):
some of the better known, uh crypto cryptozoologist. I just
did a week long expedition up in land between the
Lake with Adam Davies and Martin Groves, you know, two big,
two big names there. Uh yeah, a lot of laughing
and his silliness around the camp fire, but a lot
of serious work too. And uh and of course my
own work with the Meadow project, which is an area

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of high strangeness that the man who wrote the book
on Skinwalker Ranch, Ryan Skinner, says, in his opinion, parallels
and equals the famous Skinwalker Ranch right on.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I think that'd be a great place to start, is
just to give the audience a reminder about what you're
doing out at the Meadow. I know you can't give
out specific locations or anything. It's in the southern United States.
But tell us what you can about the project in general.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, you know, it started off as a, I know
of a crypt zoological project. I was working with Bob Wilson,
who some of your viewers might remember from the TV
show Bigfoot is Real known as Grumpy God Rest the Soul.
But we start kind of started off as a kind
of a cryptid outing and he had an amazing UFO

(05:17):
experience back at base Camp, you know, like a really
significant UFO experience, and so he thought, okay, well, let's
kind of focus around base camp and not you know,
venture too far off, because one of his teammates and
myself were about twenty miles off in another part of
this this huge nature preserve that we research at. And

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so we found probably about a half a mile on foot,
you know from base camp, this large meadow and it
was about an eight acre meadow, and we figured we
could set teams up around the periphery with night vision
and thermal We also it made a large nice track trap,
you know, you could see something walking across that would

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leave footprints, had a ridge to the south that we
could put teams up. But I could look down from
a high vantage point high ground and also had a
large expanse of open sky, so logistically it just really
made a lot of sense, you know, that this place
would be a good place to you know, set up
and research and kind of see what we could find.

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And we were not prepared even remotely for what we found.
And this this kind of becomes a theme, you know,
as the Meadow project evolves and matures, is it's continuously
throwing us these wild curve balls that we're not expecting.
So our first real outing, you know, in the Meadow,

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we had missing time. We had an individual witness by
two individuals, turned into an orb of energy and move
you know, about one hundred meters we had green orbs
hovering over base camp, you know, and that was the
first time, and it just got stranger and stranger from there.

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Of course, you know, probably the big apex that everybody's
heard about is the uh is the portal, you know,
and that that video is in the film, the new film,
and and along with the attempt to reconstruct it, which
we were not able to do. Uh So, uh, you know,
that's kind of the stuff we've been doing in the
phenomena and I you know, I strongly believe that the

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phenomena is not just occurrences. I think it's tied to
a non human intelligence in Nhi UH that we have
been able to, in my opinion, communicate with using the
estes method that's also in the film UH. And it's
interacted with us in very strange ways like dreams speak UH,

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physical interactional, actually tugging on us. And now it appears
that it's following us to other places of high strangeness
and having very strange interactions with some of our team
members where they have entered something that they just described
as the upside down and it was so disorientating to
this team member. The question was asked when the response

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team got to them, are we still? Are we real?
Are we real? Are you real? Because they were so disoriented?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That is crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
There's a lot to get to here.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I took some notes as you were talking just now,
but before we get to any of that new stuff,
you mentioned the portal, which was basically a manifestation of
this black cube out in the meadow that your team
members essentially stepped into and kind of disappeared and then
reappeared later. If anyone wants that full story, I highly

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recommend going watch the film right now, but I'd like
to know it you do you have any updates to that?
Is there any new information that you found out about it,
any new research.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah. I did a lot of research into specifically black cubes.
And I've got my second book about now, which is
Returned to the Meadow, and it can be found on Amazon.
And I really started looking at cubes, okay, and I've
reached out and I've talked to other people, and one
of my favorite researchers out there is Katie Page, who
you know, she did the Colorado Ranch. And actually she

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was kind enough to actually take me to the Colorado Ranch.
I've actually been been on that piece of property, and
so she got me really intrigued with the cubes. Uh.
So I started digging into that and going all the
way back to you know, early history is the cube
has always been a shape that has had some sort
of mystical esoteric significance. Is you go back and you

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read in the Old Testament the tabernacle, which was the
original tent like structure that was carried by the Israelites
as they moved through the desert. The place where they
had the arc was was like a box. It was
a you know, a tent, but it was cubicle shaped.
And then when King Solomon built the first temple, the
Holy of Holy a sanctum sanctorium, was a perfect cube

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and inside of that cube was the Arc, which they
believe was a manifestation of God. And you can only
approach that being, you know, twice, I think twice a
year or once a year. You had to be prepared spiritually.
You had to be cleansed because you were entering into
another existence, another realm. Okay, you were entering into the

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realm of God. We can shift gears and go over
to Islam and Mecca, they have something called the Kaba okay,
which is a large black cube. That cube was actually
used for polytheistic worship prior to Islam becoming the predominant
religion of Saudi Arabia. So so the Kaba was significant

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even to polytheistic people. And it's interesting to note as
in the in the corner of the kaba there is
a space rock which is believed to be a meteorite
that part of the hodges. You know, you are supposed
to go by and rub that rock or rub the
enclosure where that rock is as they work their way
around this large black cube. Let's jump into the New Testament.

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When Saint John the Revelator said that he was given
the visions of the future of revelation, the new Jerusalem
would descend from the sky. And what did the New
Jerusalem look like? It was a crystalline cube, fourteen hundred
miles on each side. Once again, a cube. Move into
the Middle Ages and alchemy. There was something called the

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prima material, which was the prime material of all matter.
How did the alchemist represent the prima materia? Once again,
a black cube was the alkyml sacred shape of the
prime material. It became so important in archetypes that on

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the shore of the lake that Carl Young his cottage,
he had erected for some strange reason, a black cube.
And then we can go back into you know, more
modern sightings about cubes. You know, of course, the cube
siding at Skinwalker Ranch, that Chupatupas in Brazil, which would

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shoot incapacitating rays, the cube sidings at the Colorado Range
with Katie Page, cube sidings at Skinwalker Ranch, cube sidings,
and you're now hearing about from the Navy and others
as the up disclosure thing goes along. So there's something
about the cube. Now I'm going to tell you I
don't have the answer, not even know if I'm asking

(12:41):
the right questions, But there's something special about these cubes.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
That is so fascinating. Something else I thought of in
some sects of Judaism, the head pieces they wear have
the little black cube on it as well, which.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Has a sacred text on a scroll inside of it.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
One more thing I'd like to get any updates, if
you have any, is with the Monkey Bear Lady. I
remember you told us about the Monkey Bear Lady. You
did tell us that you found out a little bit
more about her last time you were on that she
went to the same university as you. But anything else.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Actually, I have in my new book, I have a
whole chapter on the Monkey Bear Lady. And it turns
out that this is kind of a weird, you know,
bit of synchronicity is I got in contact with a
psychotherapist and is stanbul Turkey of all places, who is
an American that went to the same university, University of

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West Georgia, and he knows the Monkey Bear Lady. So
they corresponded and the monkey bear lady actually reached out
to me, so I have communicated with her. She is
a real person, you know, She's a real flesh and
book blood person. And her account is that she was
driving through the forest and she saw drove by our

(14:01):
campsite and saw like a big footsticker of something on
somebody's vehicle, and thought she would come back later and
tell us about the monkey bears. Now take that for
what it's worth. She came back at ten thirty at night,
you know, dressed in business attire. You know. She said
she was driving through the forest unwind after a stressful day.

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So ten thirty at night, in business attire in February,
in an area so remote there's not even cell phone coverage.
She drives into a strange camp of people she doesn't
know and proceeds to tell us about the monkey bears.
You know. And when you know, I asked her about
the squatting down and urinating in front of everybody, she said, well,
you know, when you gotta go, you gotta go. I

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you know, it's it, so, you know, and she says she,
you know, she was not under the control of anything,
She was not under the influence of any outside entity
or force, and I kind of leave the chapter with
a big question mark. You know, I don't know. You know,
when I lay all of these cards out on the
table and I look at it, and I say, and

(15:06):
if I had to categorize this, it was a binary thing.
Is this a normal occurrence or an abnormal occurrence? I
would have to look at the cards and say, it's
an abnormal occurrence. Now what is the reason of that?
What's the cause and what's the significance? You know, I
don't know. And even my my friend in Istanbul he says,

(15:26):
you know, it's still it seems off to me. And
in his book My Cosmic Trigger, he talks about the
monkey Bear lady and her his interaction with her and
my interaction with her, and kind of his you know,
he's kind of scratching his head to you.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yes, I've had him on a couple of times recently.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
He brought up an interesting point about that that associated
with a lot of high strangeness, naturally seems to come synchronicity.
These events that fit together, these occurrences that seem to
be linked to the experiences you have synchronicity in your
everyday life. Somebody will call whenever you think about it,

(16:07):
or a song will come on. Something like that is
your normal synchronicity, but it seems to be at times
hypercharged with high strangeness events where things like the Monkey
Bear Lady might occur.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, and that was kind of It's kind of funny
because that's you know, once Matt and I started communicating,
I mean, it's like we ended up with a whole
basket of synchronicities by the time, you know, we we
kind of got into this. It's like, you know, we
went to the same university, we know the same people.
And then it's almost like, you know, he was talking
about you know, Cassandra, you know, and the you know,

(16:42):
the the the Oracle of Delphi, and I said, that's
really strange that you're mentioning that because on my office
door I have a very small picture of Cassandra as
the Oracle of Delphi because professionally I would warn people
about things were coming and they would ignore me and
they invite them in the butt. So as a joke,
I had a little picture taped on my door, you know,

(17:03):
like all these weird synchronicities between Matt and I. So, uh, yeah,
his Uh. His his book is fascinating. I highly recommended anybody, uh,
you know, looking at a kind of an interesting uh
optic on high stream.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Right on, I'd like to go over a few things
from the film that you highlighted, starting with the radiation
factor that sometimes shows up and pretty strong at times.
I understand.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, the radiation. Uh it's not only just you know,
the meadow, but it's seems to be a kind of
a common occurrence in other places. I talked to Eric
Bard a little bit about that, and he says, that's
you know, that's something that they're seeing as a signature
or indicator, you know, at Skinwalker Ranch, and it certainly
is the case at our place. Uh. You know, we
have had uh radiation encounters. During one of my incidences

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where I personally had extreme extreme disorientation, very bad disorientation,
is we had an occurrence of a point three to
three micro sivert per hour radiation spike, which is not
dangerously high, but it was significant, you know, over the baseline.
Another incident, and this is this gets a little weird,

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is we were in the meadow doing a CE five
protocol and we left. Once again, Bob Wilson was back
at base camp, and he heard a craft or a
vessel of some sort come down the road adjacent to
base camp and he could hear the crunch. We said,
it sounded like the crunching of gravel, but he couldn't
see anything, so you know, I'm not going to call

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it a car. I don't know what it was. And
when that occurred, he looked at as Geiger counter and
he had a point sixty six microceiverts per hour spike
of radiation. Now we were able to go back before
he passed away and do a hypnotic regression. We have
a psychotherapist now on our staff with ASOG, and we
were able to regress him back to that night and

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what he recounts in his mind. He remembers a jeep. Now,
remember he said he didn't see anything, but he remembers
a jeep and this jeep was piloted by two shadow people,
completely black, black heads, black arms, black Everything that got
out of the jeep mandered around, got in and left.

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And talking to the psychotherapist, he and I believe that
that jeep might have been a screen memory, you know,
or or his mind, either a plant implanted screen memory
or his mind trying to deal with a very traumatic
situation and paint kind of a more understandable picture on it. So, oh,
it was a jeep. But you know, when he was
interviewed after it, you know, visually, you know, he didn't

(19:43):
see anything. And unfortunately Bob passed away before we were
able to dig any deeper into that, uh, into that event.
But it's strange that, you know, he had these strange
all black figures at the same time he had this
radiation spike. So interesting, and we've done experiments with a
dowsing rods. We will go to the meadow with a

(20:03):
set of dowsing rods and start asking you know, binary
questions yes or no. And one of the things we
had a Geiger counter and said, can you make this
instrument read point one three? It's very kind of an
odd number, and actually the Geiger counter went up to
point one to three and held there.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
So you know, I you know, in my opinion, you know,
I'm not going to you know, make anybody else's mind
up for them. That's up to them. But in my opinion,
we are actually interacting with a non human intelligence. And
where it starts to get really interesting is, like I said,
I've reached out two different analysts now and one of
the top photo analysts, remufon Seth Feinstein, has actually used

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some quantum analysis and looked at some of the footage
from the film, especially the slinker video and you probably
remember that that low slinking thing, and on his analysis
of some of the still frames from that, he says
that there is still a black cube. Wow, They're embedded

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in the quantum state of the imagery and it's exactly
where the cube was in that February twenty seventeen evenings.
So what it looks like to me is the cube
is always there in a quantum state. Now, you go
back and you look at other anecdotal and other reports
of portals forming things coming out of the portal creatures

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that really lined up with what we encountered that night.
You know, with Tony Merkle on his team in November of.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Last year, you mentioned making contact with an intelligence in
the film. You were doing an experiment and I forget
the exact name of it, where the gentleman wore the headphone.
You were asking questions. He couldn't hear what you were asking,
but EVP I believe was coming through the headphones, and

(22:09):
it was pretty profound the answers that he was relaying
to you.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, that's the SDS protocol. And what you do on
that is take a standard We use an SB seven,
you can use an SB eleven ghost box, you know,
and it just you know, goes to all the radio
bands and randomly. And the the person we call the
receiver that has on the he has on a set
of earbuds job site earbuds that cancel sound. Then with

(22:36):
shooting muffs over that, and he's blindfolded. And his instructions
are if you hear an intelligible word in that static,
just repeat it. If you hear rudabega, as stupid as
that sounds, just verbally say rudebega. And I was the
interrogator and Darryl Nice, my friend, was the receiver, and

(22:57):
uh it appears to me. And once again that's you know,
for people to make up their minds that we were
engaged in a two way communication. And what gets really
interesting about that communication is when I start questioning the
other the NHI about specific phenomenologies, especially plasma and gravity,

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which there's some thoughts that plasma and gravity could be
some of the forms of singularities, micro singularities. It becomes
very agitated, like it does not want to go down
that route of questioning. It wants us to stop and
go away. So, you know, I thought that was very profound.
And every time I present that and I asked the audience,

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do you think that you know we were in communication
with something else? Almost everybody raises their hand and say, yes,
it appears that you know you were in a meaningful
two way dialogue with a non human intelligence.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Is that something that you've done often, that particular experiment, Yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Do it from time to time. It was really profound
that evening. And you know, we have had some pretty
good responses on other experiments. I think in my first book,
I have another transcript of another session we did which
was pretty good. It was pretty profound. But we're really

(24:21):
excited and this is yielding amazing results. Is the it's
groundbreaking what we're coming up with the God helmet.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
I highly recommend everyone check out this short documentary, Helm
and Lens, which is about this very particular thing. But
please tell us about this experiment because it's not just
the god helmet. There is video technology being used to
render images along with it.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, and I'll start all basically with the God helmet
is It was developed by Stanley Coren and Michael Persinger
in Laurellian Universe in Canada, and the idea was, the
theory was, if you stimulate certain parts of the brain,
can you recreate mystic experiences much like people who have
had a religious epiphany? Can we recreate that in the lab?

(25:13):
And so they started experimenting specifically with the uh, the
electromagnetic stimulation of the left amygdala. And yeah, there's a
whole lot of scientific theory I can really drill down
on that, but that's that's probably uh, that's probably a
little much. But basically, you're you're you're stimulating parts of
the brain with electromagnetism, with electromagnetic coils to recreate a

(25:34):
mystic experience. And some researchers, myself included, UH, believe that
perhaps you're not artificially creating a mystic experience, but you're
tuning the brain to receive mystic experiences that are already there.
And one of my theories, uh is that you know,

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using the god helmet, you can prime the pump for
encounters for high strangeness. And what we have found is
people that have a God Helmet session, not only are
they primed for high strangeness events, the people around them
are also tuned. It would kind of like if you
imagine a crowd of people and Joe comes over and

(26:16):
talks to me and says, hey, you know, I'm Joe.
I'd like to introduce myself, and we talk a little bit.
Then Joe goes back over to his group of friends.
Now I feel more comfortable approaching others in that groups
of friends because I know somebody there. And we surmise
that it's the same thing with this God Helmet experiment
is once somebody uses the God Helmet and they step

(26:36):
foot into that other realm, the otherness, it's whatever is
out there, is maybe more likely to encounter and interact
with other people in our group that have not gone
through the God Helmet experience. So that's basically, you know,
the God Helmet. And what we did last November is
we had one of our team members go through a

(26:59):
God Helmet session. You know, what we have found is
when we started doing the God Helmet, the sessions were
very kind of benign. And now Sean talks about that
in the documentary is He says you know, the first
time I went through it, I was kind of you
relaxed and calm, and you felt kind of good, not
really meaningful. The second time he went or several times
later he went through it, he had very distinct visions,

(27:21):
you know. He had visions of entities around them trying
to interact with him. He had visions of a long
hallway with a black cube, you know, at the end
of the hallway. And so Wardheinting, the director for the
Metal Project, recorded this and it didn't quite make it
in the film. We just didn't have the room for it.

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And you're a filmmaker, you know how that goes. You know,
sometimes really good stuff ends up on the cutting room floor.
And so he's like, this is just too cool. We
need to do something with So we made a documentary
and we added a little twist of this documentary. As
we reached out to I was put in contact with
Stephen Leah, who is the developer and owner of a

(28:05):
Hidden World's Quantum Imagery and people might have seen him
on a blind Frog Ranch, Skinwalker Ranch, and a lot
of the other shows. And his theory is that there
is data quantumly entangled in still imagery and video imagery
that can be extracted using a proprietary process that Hidden
World uses, and he graciously agreed to work with us

(28:28):
on this project. And so he started pulling data out
of still imagery. And now I remember this was double blind.
He had no idea what Sean's experience was. Sean had
no idea Steven was even working on this, so you know,
it's totally independent. And Steven started pulling out this information
and he I remember him saying, what is going on

(28:48):
with the left side of this guy's head. He goes,
I don't understand it. There's like this this energy that
I'm pulling out, you know, from the quantum layers. You know,
all you're doing is you know, measuring his brain activity, right,
And I said, no, we're pumping electromagnetic fields into his
left amigdala. And the first thing he said is, oh
my god, was he aware of this? And it's like, yes,

(29:10):
he was a volunteer and he's fine. Now you know,
he's not barking, you know, barking at cars or anything.
He's perfectly fine. And so he goes and now I'm
seeing like a toroidal field around his face, like energy
is coming in and being expelled, and then he says,
coming out of his right side, he goes, it's really weird.

(29:32):
I'm picking up these boxes, these cubes, and inside of
these cubes are faces of entities. And you know, when
we you know, did the debrief with him, was like,
you know, right over the area where the cube performing over,
you know, Sean's right shoulder was basically the entrance, you know,

(29:54):
the trail to the meadow, and the faces that you
were seeing coincide exactly with the entities that uh, you
know that he was describing. And some of the other
analysis that I show, uh Stephen has been so kind
to do for us, shows that these entities that present
themselves as uh malo facial constructs, I he faces, are

(30:20):
all over the metal.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Now, these faces were appearing to the gentleman that was
using the god helmet at the time in his mind's eye,
basically right.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
And they also appeared when they started getting quantum data
out of the still imagery. So basically both experiences validated
the other. And the cool thing is now that you know,
I've got uh seth you know, finding you know, cube
like structures and the quantum latest lattice work of the

(30:50):
still imagery of the experiences we've had at the meadow.
I've had these uh you know, these these entities, these
faces appearing, and you know, I'm proud to say it.
I'm happy to say our last nine years of research
have been validated, you know, which is very exciting and
very fulfilling for me.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It is so wild. I highly recommend everyone going check
that out, because it really doesn't do much justice unless
you see the imagery speaking a wild Let's get to
some of the more wild occurrences that have happened at
the meadow. You mentioned in the beginning that one of
your team members basically morphed into a ball of light

(31:36):
and was transported.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yes, yes, that was really crazy. That was the first
time we went out there in twenty seventeen, I think
it was January of twenty seventeen, and his goal. Let
me back up. The way we set it up is
we had multiple teams around the meadow equipped with thermals
and night vision. We were going to have a single
individual move across the top of the ridge to the

(32:00):
south see if anything could be flushed down into the
meadow or if he could see anything from his higher
vantage point, you know, and when we go out, we
have a tactical plan, and I don't mean tactical with
guns and stuff, but a tactical how we're actually going
to operate in the field. And we all understood exactly
what we were going to do. And so Bob once

(32:20):
again was going to be the ridge runner. And he
got about halfway to his kickoff point and said, wait,
I left a piece of gear back at camp. I'm
going to walk back and get it. You know, we're
in radio contact, and I'll let you know when I
get to the ridge and I'm ready to start. Okay, cool.
So Bob, you know, heads back to camp. We don't

(32:42):
hear from him, and then the next thing we hear
is him come on the radio and said, I'm at
the tree across the trail and people will see the
actual that actual tree in the film. I'm at the
tree across the trail and I don't know how I
got here, you know, and we're thinking maybe he had
like a medical event. So, you know, our medic gets

(33:04):
on the radio and starts questioning them, and you know,
he's like, no, I feel fine. You know, I know,
I don't my head doesn't hurt, you know, I'm not dizzy,
and so we're like, oh, well, maybe he just was
daydreaming and forgot about it. You know, we like to
put things, We like to rationalize things' that's one thing
that we as humans do amazingly. We can rationalize the

(33:25):
strange to make it appear normal when it's anything. But
so he gets up on top of the ridge, he
moves across the top of the ridge, drops down to
the west side, and he's working across. And I have
two individuals on one of my listening post operations pos
lpops see him. They see his light as headlight, they

(33:46):
see him on thermal and these two individuals give you
a little bit of background about them. One has a
dual bachelor's degrees in philosophy and physics from Georgia Tech.
Worked as a researcher for General motors using AI enhanced
transportation modes. Was a former special operator with the seventy

(34:10):
fifth Ranger Regiment. The other guy has a bachelor's degree
in management from Georgia Tech and a degree in public administration.
Master's degree in public administration, and was a career person
in emergency response. You know, first responder stuff. Very solid dudes,
you know, very solid dudes, and they're looking and they

(34:32):
see Bob's headlamp. Then all of a sudden, that headlamp
is replaced by a sphere of red energy like a plasma.
And you can go back and you know, read some
of doctor Simmy Hines stuff talking about you know, plasma
energy or exotic vacuum objects. That's what it appeared at.
And it moved at a very high rate of speed

(34:52):
across the field about one hundred meters, then winked out,
and they quickly brought their thermal up and they see
standing there the figure of a man, the heat signature
of a man. They get on the radio and they say, Bob,
are you okay? And as they're watching their heat this
heat signature, they see it bring its radio up to
its mouth, keep it and say yeah, I'm fine. Why, like, uh,

(35:15):
are you sure you're okay? Yes, we're fine, And you
can in the film you'll hear Darryl Niece, one of
the people actually talk about this. He's interviewed and hey,
come over to us, you know, we need to talk.
Says hey, dude, we just saw you turn into a
ball of energy. And he's like, no, I just walked
over here. No, we saw you turn into it and

(35:37):
run and he's like, I don't run. I'm too old
to run. And you know, so we argued back and forth,
you know, as a team, for about a year and
a half on that, and what actually happened is it
appeared that there were two realities existing at the same
time in the meadow. One reality where Bob just regular dude,

(35:57):
just walk through the meadow at a normal pace, nothing different,
in another reality where he appeared to turn into a
ball of energy and move at a high rate of
speed as witnessed by others. And you can start getting
into some of the quantum stuff like observer effects and
all of that, and so you have to ask yourself, well,
we seeing quantum events, quantum experiences actually happening at a

(36:22):
macro scale in not only this place of high strange,
but perhaps in other places of high strangeness around the world. Yeah,
so that was our very first time at the meadow,
and so it kind of set the stage, you know,
for bigger and better things, and you know, quite frankly,
we've had much bigger and better things after that.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Is something else you said towards the beginning that one
of your team members I'm not sure if it's after
they left the meadow or if this occurred on the
meadow that they slipped into a different realm or dimension
that you called the upside down. Tell us about that.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, that was that was really really unexpected, UH. And
I hate to say that we were not we were
not really prepared for that, you know, And that's that's
bad on us because we really try to, you know,
make sure that we can respond as well as we
can to any contingency. But there's another site in Georgia,
not the meadow. This is another site and over the

(37:25):
past few years we've had a lot of a lot
of things there. And there's another group that is kind
of a parallel group called Seekers Southeast Cryptid Research Society
UH that has a lot of the same team members
as ASOG and Seekers and Seekers had gone down there

(37:45):
with with a bunch of the ASOG members and we
were researching UH for the past few years and we've
seen cryptids. Except these cryptids aren't like what you would think,
is they Their heat signatures are only a few degrees
above the ambient temperature of the environment, so it's almost
like their cloak. Now you can see them, but they're

(38:08):
they're just barely visible through thermal so it makes me
think that maybe they're not completely manifested into this reality
that they're kind of right on the periphery of. So
that's kind of the background. So we've you know, and
we've seen, you know, shadows run across the road. We've
we've smelled them, we've heard them moving in the woods.
So it's a big, cryptied, very cryptied rich environment. So

(38:31):
in June, just last June, we decided we would go
back there and do a expedition. So our plan for
that night was we would have there's a place we
call Ambush Alley because there's a place where there's a
road that's cut kind of deep into a hillside and
you have high ground on one side and kind of
lower on the other and it would be a good
place for an ambush. We called Ambush Alley. So the

(38:52):
idea is we were going to have teams about a
quarter of a mile apart, and we were just going
to go in, set up with our equipment and see
what happened. And we kind of focused on an area
that has had a lot of activity. So the team
that was set up at Ambush Alley was as Sean
and Jamie. Now Jamie bless her heart. That's what we

(39:15):
say in Southern East when we kind of pity somebody is,
you know, bless their heart. Jamie blessed her heart. This
was her first outing. Uh, you know, she was interested
in Bigfoot, so she wanted to go out and you know,
and seekers as a a you know, entry level group
that brings people in and that want to experience this stuff.
So she was with Sean got helmet Sean, you know,
who is a very experienced researcher, a retired law enforcement officer,

(39:38):
former marine, you know, really squared away god. So we're
sitting there and we're all set up in our different
you know, little areas, and Sean comes on the radio
and he says, we have activity. They're all around us.
And it's like, oh, okay, cool, you know, he's got

(39:58):
stuff going on. And we figured, you know, a quarter
of a mile we can you know, on foot, you
can't get there immediately, but you're relatively quick. And then
the next thing is Sean comes on the radio and says,
I don't know what's happening. And then the team leader

(40:21):
that night gets on the radio and says, are you okay,
and he says, I don't know. Immediately, teams start vectoring
into his location. Now, remember we're quarter of a mile.
The closest team is a quarter of a mile away.
We were about half a mile one way. So we
quickly load up our gear and we are hoofing it
just as fast as we can to get to Sean.

(40:43):
The first team that gets to him was made up
of two individuals, Kristen and Tony. Now Jamie was disoriented
and Sean was disoriented. And Jamie's first word to Tony
she reaches out, she touches him. She says, are you real?

(41:04):
Are you real? And he says, yes, I'm real. And
she feels them and once she starts getting that tactile
sense of another human being, she starts to become more grounded.
So during the after action review, what they described is
they were sitting there and they started hearing things going
on around them, things moving around them, and then they

(41:26):
said that the environment changed. Now I remember this is
after Sean had gone through the God Helmet, the previous
November that you saw in Helme and Lens. So they
said that the environment changed is like this fog came
in and trees that were there before were no longer there.

(41:51):
They were somewhere else, and Jamie described it as being
in somewhere much like the upside down in Strangers things.
And they actually were places on Jamie's phone that has

(42:14):
a track you tracking mechanism on it, that they don't
remember going to, like there was an open field that
it showed them going into this open field they were
never they don't recall being there, and it got so
disoriented that they actually reached out and held hands because
they thought they weren't going to come back. And what's

(42:35):
even stranger is the forty minutes of missing time.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Forty minutes, Yeah, how long did they perceive that they
were lost in this?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
They they they don't really recall. They just, you know,
there was such an intense experience. And so we got there.
Finally all the teams, you know, converged and these two solid, rational,
reasonable people were visibly upset, very very visibly upset, had

(43:12):
gone through something very traumatic. So it's on our slate,
you know, sometime in the future, you know, put them
through hypnotic aggression and see what we can pull out
of that. But you know, that's the curveball that the
meadow throws you is you know, we've got we're doing
this God Helmet stuff where we're reaching out there, we're
telling the phenomena or the Nhi or the other or

(43:35):
whatever you want to call it. Hey, we're here, you know,
we'd like to talk. And now, regardless of where people
are they're having these experiences. It's almost like distance doesn't matter.
You know, it doesn't matter if you're in the meadow
or somewhere else. If this thing wants to reach out
and touch you, it can. And you know, you can

(43:58):
look at that two ways. You can really be terrified
by that or you can be comforted by that. And
that's kind of an existential thing. How you take that.
And you know, it goes back to what you know
I said earlier before the show is I'm kind of
now saying we are not alone, Comma, we are never alone. Yeah,

(44:23):
this phenomena is always there. It's always around you. You know,
based on you know what what I've seen here from
the quantum of image analysis at the meadow and through
our Got Helmet session, that these things are continuously around us.
And you know, some of them want to talk to
you and make contacts. Some of them don't know what

(44:44):
their purpose is, you know, I really don't know. Are
they benign? Are they you know, benevolently?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, I'd like to get into some of the implications
in a bit. First, I'd like to hear more about
the team members being followed with the phenomena. You did
feature a story young lady that claimed she had orbs
and then felt something touch her, which is pretty terrifying.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yes, that's Kristen and she was actually the thermal operator
that recorded the famous portal footage. That's her footage, you know,
off of her thermal very talented young lady, emergency room nurse,
you know, science based person, really solid individual. Right after

(45:30):
the portal incident, she started having dreams of orbs coming
into her room, okay, And as these dreams progressed, she
started recalling things like entities standing at the foot of
her bed and pulling her and so bad that one

(45:53):
night she actually chipped the tooth wow, fighting with these things.
And she just vaguely, you know, initially, justaguely remembered this stuff.
And then under hypnotic regression, and I've got the whole
transcript of my second book, during hypnotic regression, she remembers
now this entity standing over her almost like a witch
or an old crone now, which is interesting because you

(46:16):
go back to the old Krone archetype and cultures all
over the world. The old crone is very very special,
so you can go back to the spearfinger witch of
the Cherokees, you know, the old Crone of Gaelic. You know,
the witch like motif is very very powerful throughout these cultures.
And she remembers that entity standing above her while these

(46:39):
other entities were grabbing her arms and legs. So you know,
you kind of parse all that out. What does that
sound like? Well, that sounded like something that John Mack
and Bud Hopkins write about in their various accounts of
the abduction phenomena. Now am I saying she's abducted? I
don't know, you know, but it's it's what it sounds like.

(47:01):
So that's the kind of stuff that the metal project
or whatever it is in the meadow is now following
people home. My personal experience, forty meters from where I'm
sitting right now, I was outside in my I have
eight acres. I was out cruising around forty acres from
our forty meters from my little cabin here and I

(47:25):
found a set of footprints K nine footprints, except that
these footprints were six inches in diameter. They were huge,
They were about that big, and they started in a
distinct place, went for a distance and looked by pedal
and then disappeared. Now you go and you start looking

(47:47):
at some history of this kind of stuff. Is there's
a very rich history of lincolnthropes, you know, were wolves,
you throughout medieval Europe and all of that. You come
over here into the twentieth first century. People that were
investigating Skinwalker Ranch under the auspices of Robert Bigelow in
the National Institute for Discovery Science. One of the individuals,

(48:11):
I think his name was Axelrod. When he got done
and went back to his suburban Virginia home, his family
started seeing large upright canines in their backyard. You go
to Marley Woods and you start talking to you know,
some of the stuff with Tom Fierro and Ted Phillips
their accounts of large upright canines in that area. So

(48:34):
there's something about these dog men in high strangeness or
people that encounter high strangeness. So you know, if you
think the meadow phenomena is is you know, somehow held
only in the meadow. You're really kidding yourself, because it
will follow you around, and once you think you have
it figured out, and once you think you know all

(48:55):
of its modalities, it's going to throw you a curveball,
like taking you to the upside down in a place
in Georgia that traditionally doesn't have that kind of Right.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
If all that isn't concerning enough, they have actually had
some deaths occur from a couple of your team members. Yeah,
there's no definite proof that the meadow may have been
the cause of it in any way, but it is
very interesting that they were the ones that entered.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
The portal, right, yeah, right, that was the two people
that have passed away, or Bob Wilson and Tim Jilarden,
And they were four people entered into the portal. Two
of those people are dead. You're looking at one of
the four. I'm obviously still alive, and Darryl Nice is

(49:47):
the other one, you know. And can I say correlation
is causality? No, I would be a fool to say that,
But it is interesting that they are now documented correlations
between encounters with high strangeness in very real physical manifestations.
I have. That's another chapter in my second book, is

(50:09):
I explored this stuff, you know, reading some of the
stuff that you know, doctor Gary Nolan talks about in
others and how uh you know, these encounters with extreme
high strangeness results in uh, you know, physical ailments.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
One of the most famous cases, of course is the
cash landrum case, you know in Texas. So you know
how this possibly could be non ionizing radiation. You know,
what are the modalities of this? And it seems like
a lot of people that have these encounters do start
having a misunderstood and uh you know, not understood health

(50:47):
ailments you know, later on in their lives.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You also said that many of the team members were
having disturbing dreams. Did you experience this as well?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
You know, not so much. I'm a lucid dreamer.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
You know, it's kind of funny. My wife teases me
about that as I dream and I actually, you know,
had this whole story and I can tell you about
everything that happened in the morning, but uh, you know, uh,
probably the most profound disturbing dreams was of course Christen
you know, in the orbs coming into her rooms and
then we look at that in retrospect, you know, through
the optics of hypnotic regression, they don't appear to be dreams.

(51:26):
So you always wonder, you know what about the rest
of the team members that maybe don't recall these experiences. Nevertheless,
the experiences are still there, so you know, like I said,
that's why we have a psychotherapist with training on hypnotic
regression on our staff, you know, so we can A
we have that tool you know, in our toolbox, and

(51:47):
b you know, if somebody encounters something very very strange
and they're starting to suffer, uh, you know what we
think is the own set of a post traumatic stress syndrome, Uh,
that we can you know, actually go and post crisis
counseling and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I'd like to explore the possible implications of this a bit.
I find it interesting that quite a few traditional nuts
and bolts UFO researchers are now looking at the phenomenon
much differently, even bringing in theological implications into this. Many

(52:26):
people believe that what we're dealing with may be a negative,
demonic force that can influence and have, like you were saying,
physical effects on us. Although many people have very positive
experiences if you look at the fact that this phenomenon

(52:47):
can shift into whatever it wants and appears whatever it wants,
and there has been deception noted in the past by
these entities appearing as something positive and not ending up
being that. So to me, I have to question all
of it. But I'd love to get your thoughts into

(53:08):
the possible maybe theological implications.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a great that's a great question. Uh.
You know, only one side of the demonic thing is
I don't know, if you've ever heard of the Collins Elite.
Oh yeah, you know, Okay, so that's you know, that's
one theory that these are actually demonic manifestations and should
be treated as such. The other side of it is

(53:35):
these are angelic apparitions and experiences. And the best, uh
probably example of that is Chris Bledsoe, you know, looks
at this as very positive, very enlightening. Uh. And then
you have people like me, you know, kind of in
the middle. They go, well, you know, I don't know,
you know, I have my own religious optics that I
look at things through.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
You know, so I have to understand that that is,
you know, that the that that you know, preconception is
already there that that uh, you know exists in my
own understanding of it. But here's how I kind of
look at it is. You know, if if you read
the Bible, and if you're of that, you know vein
it talks about the fruits of the spirit. You know

(54:18):
that things of God will have fruits of the spirit
that reflect God. You know, they'll they'll be kind, they'll
be loving, they'll be helpful, you know, things like that.
They say to look at that in people. So to me,
the other side of that coin is things that were
demonic of the devil, i e. Satan, Lucifer, whatever, would

(54:39):
all would have negative things. And I think you have
to take it as it comes. You know, everything I've encountered,
you know, with the Meadow project and its ancillary tentacles,
as you know goes, nothing has been in my opinion
evil or gave that the the appearance of being evil.
And I'm very be careful, and you know, I tell

(55:03):
people be very very wary of always labeling something you
don't understand as evil, because that's a dangerous road to
go down. And an analogy I use is this, You're
walking through the forest and you come up to a
cabin in the forest, and you knock on the door
of the cabin and a voice says who's there, And

(55:23):
it's like, hey, you know, I'm I'm Chris or I'm Trey,
and I just I'm walking through here. Now, your cabin
looks really cool. I was wondering if you'd like to
talk for a moment. Uh, And the voice on the
other side of the door says, yes, that sounds great.
I say what, we can sit out here on the porch,
and the voice says, you know, I'm not really comfortable
with opening up the door. Can we talk through the door? Yeah,
that's cool, And you sit there and you have a conversation.

(55:45):
Now you really don't know what's on the other side
of that door, right, We're preconditioned to assume it's human,
but we really don't know. So if we don't know
what's on the other side of the door, should we
automatic assume it's evil because we don't understand it. To me,
that just seems stupid and very arrogant. So that's kind

(56:07):
of the way I look at these things is until
it presents itself as evil or interacts as evil, I'm
not going to label it as evil. So that's so
I'm kind of neutral on that. I don't take the angelic,
you know, approach. I don't take the demonic approach. I
just take it as it comes on.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
One thing that seems to be becoming more and more
clear is, at the least there is much more to
our reality than we could understand, and possibly an entire
realm or ecosystem of intelligences that we just can't normally
perceive but is always there.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Right absolutely, That's that's that's what's really becoming a parent
in our research is these things are always around us,
and you can start to see them, you know, by
extracting quantum data, you know, out of imagery and things
like that, you know, and the and the you know.

(57:07):
The theory is that in a quantum state, everything that is,
was or will be does exist in a quantum state.
That includes other realms our realm. That's how we do
remote viewing and things like that. So I think that's
becoming more and more apparent. Uh. I think that, you know,
we have to realize that these things are always around us,
you know, kind of like Santa Claus always watching you
so you don't be naughty. Uh, And you know what

(57:32):
do we do with that information. Do we find that
terrifying or do we find that comforting? Well, I, for
one find it comforting because, uh, if I look at
it through that optic that you know, I am not
just merely a brain driving a meat suit, you know,
through the universe. And when this meat suit dies, that's it.

(57:52):
Now there's another realm. Human beings are multi dimensional creatures.
You know. Our brain is not that squishy thing inside
of our head that's part of it. That's a that's
a three dimensional shadow or representation of a multi dimensional
organ which is our brain. And our brain, our real brain,
exists in multiple dimensions. And I think that can be

(58:13):
borne out through you know, scientific study, And so that
means what we perceive here is not it. We're like
the prisoner in the uh in the analogy of Plato's cave.
When the chains are released and we come out of
that cave, we're going to see a very bright and
wonderful world. It's going to be well beyond what we perceive.

(58:36):
And I find comfort in that, and that makes.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Me glad whenever you approach some of these high strangeness
areas that you know, very profound phenomena has manifested there
like portals, and people have seemingly entered into different what
you can only describe as dimensions at this point, looking

(59:00):
at that, do you approach this with the possibility that
maybe one of you might disappear forever with one of
these experiences, like a missing four one one experience.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, that's why we always take a couple of shots
at Bergon before we go out. No, I'm kidding, Uh,
you know that is that's a very poignant point, and
it kind of goes into something I always tell people
if you are going to get into this business seriously,
and I'm not talking about, you know, going out in
the woods with some of your buddies with a voice recorder,

(59:34):
and I'm talking about really seriously. And there's a lot
of people that think they want to get into this
is it can be dangerous, you know, and you've you've
got to be okay with that, you know, and your
family has to be okay with that. H David Polides
has stacks of files of people that went out and

(59:55):
never came back. My own experience of extreme this orientation,
if I hadn't had a team member with me, I
might have ended up as a chapter in one of
David Polidi's books, Jamie and Sean. If that hadn't ha
gone the way it did, they might not have come

(01:00:17):
back because it appeared to me that they were somewhere else.
So that's always a possibility, now, you know, is this
other place that people would go to? Is it somewhere
really cool you know and kind of kind of groovy,
you know, or is it somewhere kind of horrifying? I
don't know, but you never know. Every time you step

(01:00:39):
foot out your front door, you're taking a chance, you know,
And all it takes is a head on collision for
you to quite literally enter into a different realm, the
realm of death. So you know, you can you can
go through your research life or your life in general,
you know, fearing that, or you can just take things
as they come and be happy for the time the
people in the experiences we're given.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
On well tray. This was fascinating. I highly recommend everyone
going check out the films before we let you go.
Is there anything upcoming that you'd like to let us
know about?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeah, let me preface that I'm going to kind of
the film. You can find that at merkelefilms dot com.
My two books you can find on Amazon. I always
recommend that people want the full Meadow experience, get the books,
read the book, and see the film Helm and the Lens.
As you said, fascinating groundbreaking research. I'm very proud to

(01:01:37):
be part of that. What's upcoming is I am going
to be speaking at the Colorado Mouffon meeting in March
in not Colorado, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I was like, I could go see that one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yeah, no, yeah, I'll be in Phoenix in March. We'll
be screening the film and doing Q and A afterwards,
so that should be pretty cool. I will be I
might be speaking somewhere in July. I'm not at liberty
to say where, but it's somewhere pretty cool if that
works out. I had somebody from a board of directors

(01:02:17):
of a very well known organization sitting on one of
my lectures. I wasn't where they were there and I
was kind of being screened, So hopefully that will come
to fruition. I will be in May at the Contact
Modalities Expo in Wisconsin, and then I'm waiting to see
what shakes out for the rest of the summer. So
I'm going to be I'm going to be all around,

(01:02:40):
you know, doing stuff. Understand that I might have a
cameo in an upcoming film, maybe more and more coming
up on that. So I've got another film that I
was working on a couple of weeks ago, which is
a cryptic Encounters Making Contact that I was actually out
with Adam Davies, Martin Groves and Mother in the Land

(01:03:00):
between the Lakes. Had some crazy stuff going there. We
actually did some got helmet stuff and with some amazing stuff.
So that film hopefully will be coming out yeah, maybe
in about nine months. So just a lot going on,
you know, just really busy. You can go and find
me at Trey Hudson Research dot com. I try to
update that web page, you know, try to keep it

(01:03:23):
current and always. You can find me at Trey Hudson
Dash author on our.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Face excellent, Trey, thank you so much. I'll have the
links easily accessible for everyone, and we'll definitely have to
do this again. Until next time, everyone, have a wonderful evening.
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