Psychic Agent: Real Life Stranger Things, Remote Viewing, MK-Ultra, GATE & More | Ryder Lee - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on. It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

(00:23):
The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew.
Today my guest is writer Lee. First, I got two
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to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledgenews at gmail
dot com. Today, I want to welcome back to the
show writer Lee. He is a filmmaker and producer and
host of Raised by Giants, podcast writer, Welcome back. How
you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'm doing great, Chris. Thanks for having me on again.
It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Has and it's wonderful to have you back. It has
been a wild few years. You've been a busy dude.
We both have two films released, one in the works,
A Clockwork Shining with super Badass my friend can't wait
for the new one. Right now is an amazing time
for filmmakers because we can do everything ourselves, including distribution.

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It's a shit ton of work, but it can be done.
You and I are examples of that. And today we're
going to talk about your new film in the works
about psychic spies. We're all about this here. Before we
get into it, though, remind the audience a little bit
about yourself and let them know how they can find
out more.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm writer Lee. I am a director podcast host of
Raised by a Giants. You can find me on YouTube
and in and all podcast platforms and on the Forbidden
Knowledge News Network. Yeah, the psychic spy stuff is really
interesting to me. I got interested in it going through
the mk Ultra programs. So I found out that the

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CIA was actually funding the Rockefeller Foundation for Behavioral Science,
which is psychology, and a few of those studies were
on gifted people. This was back in the fifties. They
were funding work into Duke University, Harvard and things like that.
And that's where things get really weird because mk Ultra

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also had subprojects studying gifted people, more specifically Subproject eighty
three in Subproject one thirty six, which was dedicated to
the research and development of ESP and psychic abilities. There's
actually a document on the CIA's website called Hypnosis and
Control Behavior that says, if there's a situation where hypnosis

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can be applied on a target individuals or groups, this
is from the CIA. Okay, you can guarantee that it
will be used. The CIA was also fundering SRI International
for Developmental Research into a ESP and psychic abilities called
remote viewing. The CIA chief at that time, Stansfield Turner,

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said that the agency found a man who could see
what was going on anywhere in the world through his
psychic powers. Turner said the CIA scientists and officials would
show the man a picture of any place and he
would then describe the activity that was going on there.
At that time, seems pretty important thing to have, especially

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for the CIA at that time, in.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
The same time as the mk Ultra experiments are relatively
the same time.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well arguably mk Ultra could have been started in the
fifties or in the sixties. It ran for about twenty
five to thirty years, officially stopping and officially in nineteen
seventy five. So the studies go, I mean, we have

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psychic people going back decades and decades and even centuries.
You know, they were called shamans. They were you know,
only supposed to be imbued upon the enlightened people. But
it's essentially all the same thing. There's different labels to
all of this stuff. And remote viewing kind of was
an SRI coined term that supposedly came from the Chinese

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study into remote viewing and psychic abilities and children. So
when Stansfield turned said that they had found this man
that could see what was going on anywhere in the world.
That man's name was Pat Price. But the CIA cut
ties with SRI in seventy five when Pat Price suspiciously

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died he was found in a hotel room in Vegas.
Russell Targan Hall put Off then went to the Foreign
Technology Division at RYE. Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton,
Ohio to try and get funding for SRI through the
Air Force. Now dell Graf worked there and eventually became
the operations manager for the DIA Stargate program at Fort Mead, Maryland.

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Later on and around the early nineties nineteen ninety to
nineteen ninety one, but the Air Force picked up the
funding to SRI. To continue this investigation into remote viewing
his psychic abilities in ESP dell Graf put together a
small remote viewing unit at RYE. Patterson Air Force Base.

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They received tasking to find a missing Russian airplane that
down somewhere in Africa. Rosemary Smith, which was part of
the remote Viewing unit at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
This was like an unofficial small unit that dell Graph
had put together. He gave her a map, like a

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large area map, and said can you find this EU
twenty two down Russian airplane? And then she put an
X on the map where she had seen the visions
and the psychic impressions of where she believed that it was.
He then turned that into the CIA and they converted
where she put that X on a map into a coordinate.

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They then went to where she said that she thought
that it was, which was in Africa, and then they
found the missing airplane exactly where she said that it was.
President Jimmy Carter then talked about this mission an interview
in nineteen ninety five. It's very difficult to find that interview,
but it's on my YouTube channel raised by Giants End.

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It will also be in the upcoming documentary Psychic Agent.
But the funding by the Air Force stopped to SRI
in nineteen eighty and then the Right Patterson Air Force
Base unofficial unit was disbanded, but Army Intelligence was forming
another remote viewing group at for ME called Grill Flame,

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which was to use psychic abilities with gifted people to
collect intelligence data on foreign targets. But then you also
have the Monroe Institute, which was founded by Robert Monroe
in nineteen seventy four, that created this technology called hemi
Sync to induce an out of body experience. This has
connections to the DIA Stargate program because when Grill Flame

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first opened up, which it changed its name a lot
of times, it changed it to Center Lane Sunstreak, and
then they finally landed upon Stargate in ninety one, Army
Intelligence sent their site gets to the Monroe Institute. They
paid Robert Monroe two thousand dollars to see if Robert

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Monroe's tapes would help the remote viewers be more accurate.
But it turns out that being outside of your body
while remote viewing is a pretty advanced form of It's
very advanced. It's called perfect site integration, where the viewer
can duplicate their physical body and travel in their astral

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body to anywhere in the world and then collect inform.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let me ask you, the Hemi Sink was allowing the
remote viewers to also leave their bodies, now, is what
you're saying.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, that's the thing is that that is the goal
with the Hemi Sink tapes is to induce an out
of body experience. But a lot of the remote viewers
had already been having out of body experiences. Specifically, Angela Ford.
She would have out of body experiences every time, all

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the time whenever she was young. Ingo Swan would also
have out of body experiences due to trauma from being
bullied whenever he was younger for being gay. So that's
like a part of it. But Ingoswan had developed this
terminology to be able to get outside of your body.

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That was called perfect side integration, where you could literally
go to another area of the world and your body
is physically duplicated into an astraol body, and then you
can feel the invit It's like it's like remote viewing
on steroids is essentially what you can. You can then

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affect the environment, you can move things around, like it's
almost like your physical body is also there, but it's
not quite your physical body. It's just like a duplicated
version of your physical body. But this is also it
really seems to me that trauma induces these types of abilities,

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and trauma also induces an out of body experience, like
if you go through enough trauma, you're inevitably going to
disassociate from your reality. And sometimes you know how people
whenever they go through trauma, they're like, oh, I've seen
this from a far distance. It was like I was
up in the corner of the room and I was

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looking down on myself. That's a forced out of body
experience through trauma. And with the MK Ultra programs what
they were doing, it seems as if the MK Ultra
programs were inadvertently creating gifted individuals, which is that would
be of course the ones that survived that didn't go

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catatonic and you know, weren't able to get over the
trauma or disassociate. They stayed within their physical body, like
you know a lot of the people at Ravens Crag
in Canada, which also the Rockefeller Foundation provided a grant

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to help found the Allen Memorial Institute aka Ravens Crag
Hospital that supported doctor Hugh and Cameron's MK Ultra experiments
and upwards of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a
year for five years. And then there was also grants
that happened after that as well.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Tell us again, who do you have in the film?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
All confirmed people within the DIA Army Intelligence Remote Viewing
Unit at Fort Mead, so Angela Ford Dell graf Graph
was the operations manager, which I was just mentioning that
had the small remove viewing unit at Ry Paterson Air
Force Base Limb Buchanan, which the movie The Minister It

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Goes is kind of semi based off of. And then
doctor David Moorehouse which was also in the remote viewing
unit at Fort Meadia. And then I'll have other people
that is also in the wasn't actually a part of
the unit, but was in Air Force Special Intelligence and

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D O D.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Did you get into any other types of applications for this,
maybe assassin work being used to cause harm in some
way remotely?

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yes, I have, and that is a that's kind of
where the whole thing is kind of well. With doctor
Hugh and Cameron, he's one of the ones that created
the technology of psyche driving. He would record all these
sessions with patients and he would have a patient listen
back to one of those tapes, and then he noticed

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that one of his patients had a visceral reaction to
hearing a certain part of this tape. So he started
making her listen to this tape over and over and
over again, day in and day out for months, and
it's pretty soon he was doing this with all of
his patients. Now, the people that were experimented on it,
Ravens Craig ended up getting together and sued the CIA
and they settled out of court for around eight hundred

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thousand dollars. Now, the psyche driving thing is essentially a programming, right,
so if you can there's three steps to it, so
it's called deep patterning. So he would essentially traumatize these
people through torture and you know, just filling in the blanks.

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Then he would drug them. And this was an array
of drugs. See a lot of people believe that mk
Ultra was just about LSD. They're just doing a little No.
There was over one hundred and fifty different drugs that
were tested on within the mk Ultra program, some of
them including caffeine, amphetamine, antidepressants, antipsychotics, marijuana, like, all of it.

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All of it was essentially tested on. And a lot
of people don't know that Sidney Gottlieb, which was ahead
of the mk Ultra programs, I'm pretty much the only
person that's ever brought this up before. He had a
brother named David Gottlieb, which was a plant biologist. So
it stands to reason that Sidney Gottlieb was probably getting

(14:52):
some of these compounds of these drugs from his brother,
which was a plant biologist. I think think that you
would do all of these experiments with all these types
of drugs and have a brother that's a plant biologist
and not utilize what he would be concocting in some
sort of CIA design or drug. So with the psyche

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driving things, so it's aid deep patterning they remove all
of your normal thinking patterns, rational thought, cognitive beliefs, then
through traumatization, and then they drug you with an array
of drugs and then they psychically drive you. Now, the
psychic driving can be anything. It could be anything could

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be on the looped audio message that he was giving.
And then if you could take that a step further
and put in a TV, right, so you would not
only be getting looped audio messages, but you would also
be getting visual messages. Now, this isn't something that's a

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that they were actually doing, but I'm common sense says
that it developed that it turned into something even more.
That's just the official one. The looped audio message, right, Well,
you could take that a step further and you could
take it to know virtual reality. Right, you can take
a headset, put over the person, have them feeding audio

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into their brain and also a visual stimulus to make
them believe something that didn't even happen, or make them
believe something about themselves that wasn't even real, or something
that was real and make them believe that it wasn't real.
It works both ways. And we know that the military
has been using video games to training their soldiers for
decades now. They'll use simulations, They'll use video games. They'll

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take a gun that is just as heavy as a
real gun and have them shoot imaginary video game targets.
They'll use data simulations to do explosions and tanks and
all that. They've been doing that for a really long time,
So it only stands to reason that this is going

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to develop into something more and that would be the
next step of this MK Ultra program would be to
be pattern them right through trauma, drug them and then
have this stimulus of something on a TV or even

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a stuff. Further would be virtual reality. And then when
you look at our environment and how the world has shaped,
over fifty percent of the people in the United States
is on some form of pharmaceutical medication. We are constantly
being traumatized through the media and these events that are

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happening around us all the time, and then we're being
psychically driven through the TV, through social media, through programming
to get the same talking point over and over and
over again. I mean, there's this clip by George Bush
that is like George Bush Junior. I was like, I'm

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going to repeat it. I'm gonna repeat it a bunch
of times because you got to repeat it several times
for them to really drive home the narrative, to really
catapult the propaganda. Yeah, all right, so that's that's obviously
a technique that has carried over from these MK Ultra

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programs is just putting the same thing up on the
screen over and over and over and over again, regardless
if it's real or not. If you can make people
believe that it's real, it doesn't matter if it actually
is or not, as long as the perception is there
that it is.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Now, I want to ask you, I don't want to
get too far away from the MK ultra, but did
you look at all into the creation of alternate per personalities,
splitting of the consciousness to different personalities, things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely possible to do that. I mean,
it's known as multiple was known as multiple personality disorder,
but now as disassociative identity disorder is the modern term
for it. And I do believe that it is that
it is possible to do, but I don't believe that

(19:29):
it can be done to everyone. Right out of if
you had one hundred people, maybe ten of them or
five of them, could this could be done.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
To trauma based experiment that they were putting people through
severe trauma to achieve this, right.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, and that gets into the assassin territory and programming people.
I mean, the mk Ultra programs were wild, dude. They
were doing all kinds of wild They had so many
wild thoughts and crazy ideas. There was one that was
too during World War Two was to paint a bunch

(20:17):
of foxes with radio active material and throw them off
the ship of the coast of Japan, and that the
Japanese would see this as like an omen or a
sign from the gods, and that they would surrender. Like
wild stuff. They were going to poison the president of

(20:43):
Cuba at that time, what was his name, the guy, Yeah,
Fidel Castro. They were going to poison Fidel Castro with
put something in his cigars to poison him. They were
going to put some things in his shoes that would
make him lose his hair. Wild just wild stuff. But
there was this book that was written in nineteen seventy

(21:09):
eight by Walter H. Bowered, which was called Operation Mind Control,
that really exposed the entire alien and abduction phenomenon where
the military would get these kids to dress up as
gray aliens, and the military would abduct their target said

(21:31):
individuals and the kid would then act as aliens, and
they would have the set all made up, and then
they would use these drugs and this weapon that was
called a stun gun, which would act as like a
memory suppressor. So then later on when the said individual
got that would it would make them like blackout right,

(21:53):
it would make them like kind of raise the thought
in the memory from their head. And then you know,
years later, or maybe a little bit of time later,
it would be like, oh, man, I guess i'm missing
times can really strange must have happened. Then these memories
will start kind of coming back to them of this
experience that they had with these aliens. Okay, but they

(22:14):
were really just kids dressed up in gray alien off.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I can only imagine where things like that have progressed
to in our modern age. But that's a whole other show.
So how long were they running these psychic spy programs.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Well, if you count it from the time that they
started funding SRI, the CIA funding SRI was from nineteen
seventy two, but if you're not then it would be
seventy eight, whenever the Army first started implementing the remote
viewing stuff in to Army Intelligence for me, which was

(22:58):
grow Flame. But then they shut down that program and
then they turned it into Sunstreak and Center Lane, and
then it eventually stuttered on Stargate. So officially, Army Intelligence
had a program from seventy eight to and then it
got transferred to the DIA, and it became a DIA

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under the umbrella of the DoD Special Access Program in
eighty five, and then it ran for ten more years
under the DIA and the DoD to nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Any thoughts on how they're integrating it other than what
you said earlier. Obviously with the drugs, social media, and
virtual reality basically that we live in seem to have
been experimentation to get us to a certain point and beyond.
But any thoughts on where where else these programs might

(24:02):
have been integrated into.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Well, I mean, every facet of our existence has essentially
been turned into some sort of MK ultra style program
style psyop. Right now when you talk about the the
type of stranger thing aspect of this, because people are
probably wondering, oh, well, this is interesting, this is cool,

(24:29):
but where does the where does the experimentation on kids
coming right, Well, we know that there were these programs
set up as Team Beyond Behavioral Modification schools Okay in Utah,
some in state New York, Okay, where kids would literally

(24:52):
be abducted from their home where their parents would pay
this company to come and abduct their kid, handcuffed them,
blindfold them, throw them in the back of a suv
sometimes on an airplane, a private airplane, and fly them
wherever they wherever this facility was Okay. So, some of

(25:15):
those first ones started in Utah, and then it kind
of spread out all over the United States and into
Arizona and into New York and one of those is
called Ivy Ridge in New York. So and a lot
of the people that were involved in these Team Behavioral
Health Modification schools described them as a form of mk ULTRA.

(25:39):
Some of the exact same techniques that were used on
them are the same types of techniques that you can
read about in these mk ULTRA documents one hundred and
forty nine subprojects of mk ULTRA. Now, if you get
into the Twilight Learner program, which was developed by a

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psychiatrist named Thomas H. Bodinski, it was a neurofeedback program
which was started in Colorado, which was dubbed Pink Noise
to supposedly help produce relaxation facilitate learning. And this one
is kind of a big one, which is the alter
mental states. Kind of sounds similar to the Monroe Institute. Right,

(26:23):
the Twilight Learner program is referred to as a sleep
state suggestion experiments. Now, it's possible that the tapes that
Thomas Badinsky used was some of the tapes that the
Monroe Institute was also using. Still doing research into this,

(26:46):
but I know somebody that was a part of the
Twilight Learner program in Colorado that has some of these tapes.
She can't play them yet because she doesn't have a
cassette tape recorder. But I do know someone that has
these tapes, So I'm trying to figure out a way

(27:08):
to play these tapes to see if they are any
way connected to the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, because this
is a very important connection because there's the school gate programs,
which were gifted individual public school programs, right, and there's

(27:29):
also the Gateway program. So there's the and then there's
a Stargate program. So all this stuff gets very convoluted
and kind of all mixed together because it all has
a gate at.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
The Roweyward Pines on Netflix. Yes, the abducting of kids
bringing them to this experimental school, That's exactly what that
show is about.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
That's exactly what the show is about. And there's also
another show called The Institute on MGM plus. It's a
show that's based off of Stephen King's bo at the
Institute where kids are abducted out of their home taken
to this facility because they have psychic capabilities and psyche patterns.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
That is crazy Man, which is a really good show.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I highly recommend it. And when I saw that, I
was like, holy shit, this is basically my documentary in
a nutshell. I mean, this is a you know, Hollywood
version of what I believe it was happening on some levels.

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So you have the Twilight Learner Program, which Thomas A.
Shbadinsky initially worked as an aerospace engineer in southern California,
including working on a top secret classified projects at Area
fifty one interest on the SR seventy one Blackbird, which

(28:56):
is so interesting. It's a tidbit of information how a
lot of these guys always seemed to work for some
sort of aerospace company and then switch into psychology an
experimentation on the human mind. Yeah, but you have the
gate programs in school. Now, this is how it's connected

(29:20):
to the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, because there's been this
flurry of online activity around the Gate programs because people
are thinking back to them and thinking, oh, that's that
was kind of freaking weird. I was being pulled out
of class. I was had these really strange I was
asked to do these really strange things like mess with ropes,

(29:42):
mess with blocks. There's a guy that was telling me
to say what's on the flash card without having to
see what's on the flash card. I had these really weird,
strange hearing tests. They would do really weird strange vision tests.
And this would happen periodically through my upbringing in public school.

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And what's triggering a lot of these people is this
clip of this hearing test that was done and a
lot of people remember this, which was you should be
hearing my voice in your right ear. And that's triggering
a lot of people to bring back this memory of
these hearing tests that was done in public school. Now

(30:25):
it turns out that that tape is the Monroe Institute
Gateway tapes. Who crazy? So how did the Monroe Institute
Gateway tapes end up in public school and why did
they end up in public school? And why were they

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using this as an experiment on children in the seventies,
the late seventies, eighties, and nineties.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
It is super interesting, man.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
And they've also a lot of people have said that
they were told to drink some pink type of substance,
pink drink, yellow drink, And depending on where they were
and where they lived in what state that they were in,

(31:21):
they were told it was for a different reason. Not
everybody got the same reason as to why they needed
to ingest this liquid. Some people was told it's for
that it was vitamins. Other people were told that it
was vaccines. Other people were told that it was asthma medication. Yeah,

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you know. And then some of the programs too, depending
on where you lived in the United States depended on
what the excuse was for why your kid needed to
be a part of the program. Some of them were Oh,
he's a genius, he needs uh or they need or

(32:08):
the girl or whoever it is, they're a genius, they
need to be put in inside of a special type
of program for advanced learning kids. Other people, it was
he's an unruly child, he has ADHD, he has all
these problems. He can't sit still, he needs to be

(32:30):
put in a special class. So if you were in
California during this period of time, you would probably be told, oh, well,
your kid needs special attention because he's a really he's

(32:53):
very smart, he's scoring very high on a lot of
these tests. We need to put him into a special class.
He needs a you put into And the parents were like, okay, yes,
do it, do it whatever. And then if you're in
I don't know, Ohio or Pennsylvania or some place northern

(33:13):
East coast, they were more likely that it would be
your kid is unruly. Your kid can't sit still, he's
got problems, he's being disruptive in class. He needs to
be put into a special class to where with other
kids that are like him. And the parents yes, yes,

(33:35):
but I mean so they're they're using different techniques and
different reasons for why the kids need to be put
into a gifted classroom, depending on what location you live
in during that time, and these ran from They had

(33:57):
to have started in the late seventies, in through the
eighties and probably ended in the late nineties, and a
lot of people remember these programs. They remember them very vividly.

(34:19):
Now there is a possibility that it didn't have anything
to do with psychic abilities. There is a possibility that
it had something to do with recruitment, that it had
to do with putting people in positions of powers.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I'm sure it's multi layered. All of these operations seem
to have multiple purposes going on at one time.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Well, a lot of people that I have talked to
personally that kind of finished out these types of programs
like the Gift of School gate programs or MGM Mentally
Gifted Minds, that's what it was known at as in California.

(35:13):
They all ended up in some form of military service
really or in I've talked to some people that knew
some family members that were a part of these programs
that are head writers for the New Post or you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Like it it's really kind of grooming program. It makes
me wonder if they're still doing this now with the
access of technology, and like you were saying earlier, the
ability to get kids hooked on prescriptions and constantly be

(35:52):
in a state where they are susceptible to hypnosis through technology. Now,
instead of having to actually bring the kid to a
specific class or kidnap them anymore, it may be just
easier to access through this stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, easily access through technology and meet the people with
the kids where they are online. Just like the most
recent Rockefeller collaboration with famous influencer mister Beast. That's what
they talked about is to help children really online, we

(36:38):
need to meet the kids where they are, and where
they are is online. So it's definitely a technology based
way now. And I really don't think except in maybe
a special scenario or a special case, that they would

(37:00):
even need to use a psychic anymore. Because everything is
tracked online. Everybody has a phone. You can know the
location of where anybody is at any given moment, track
or IP address, you know exactly where they are. You know,
there's Pegasus software that could All you literally need to
do is have the person's phone number and you could

(37:23):
hack whatever. You can literally have a duplicate copy of
their phone exactly what they're doing every single day on
your computer. So the tracking and the data collection no
longer needs to be done through a psychic individual. Yeah,

(37:44):
it's not just technology.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I want to get your thoughts on some of the
things that I've heard over the years that may be
associated with these remote viewers or psychic spies. Many have
said that when you are out of body are your
remote viewing, that there may be some sort of psychic

(38:08):
block or someone else that is out in the astral
waiting for people to stop them from accessing certain information
certain areas. Do you think that's true.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I mean, they could be true in a sense, but
hiring people to do that seems kind of silly. Yeah,
you know what I mean, like, yeah, let's hire these
military astral travel people. It does because you can't really

(38:49):
be doing this while you're out just like doing everyday
normal life, Like you can't be outside of your body
while you're washing the dishes, like. You have to be
in a certain meditative state and a certain deep consciousness

(39:11):
level that allows you to get outside of your body,
and then to be able to even control that, to
know how to control to get outside of your body
is very difficult to do. I don't think that anybody
can actually do it verbatim every single time that they try.
It's normally something that just kind of happens. Now there's something.

(39:36):
There are ways to try and induce it. You can
try and do breath work really late at night, like
when you're melatonin is the most highest in your brain.
You might be able to get outside of your body
doing it that way, But it's not something that you
can just lay down and expect to immediately get outside
of your body. It's just not the way that it works,

(39:58):
so I highly doubt it. It seems like that if
people are saying that that's what's going on now, there
are ways to block remov viewing through certain materials, I believe.
I believe Uri Geller has talked about how the CIA

(40:24):
has or some intelligence agency or the military has some
sort of psychic energetic blocking room to where that because
they were afraid that the Soviets were spying on them
and that they were getting their intelligence data leaks, so

(40:45):
then they created this room where nothing could no psychic
could possibly get into. That's just rumor. I don't know
if that's true or not, but I highly doubt that
it would be. It would really be be possible.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
You mentioned Yuri Geller and Ingo Swan. In recent years,
they have been part of the quote unquote UFO disclosure movement.
You hear about remote viewing aliens on the moon and
extra terrestrials. They seem to be supporting this UFO narrative.

(41:25):
Of course they were working with the CIA. So how
much trust can you put into that? Right?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah? I don't necessarily believe a lot of the things
that you're a yaller size here, but I do believe
him on one thing, which I think is a really
important thing. When he talked about to Russell.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Targ on.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
The documentary Third Eyed Spies, and he said that in
a roundabout way, that Pat Price didn't die, that they
didn't that he wasn't murdered, and that his death was

(42:15):
essentially faked, and then he was taken into this black
budget underground program that the CIA was doing. Because it's
just a coincidence that after Pat Price died, even though
SRI had other psychics such as Ingo Swann and Hella

(42:35):
Hammond and a few others, whenever Pat died, the CIA
was almost immediate like, oh, yeah, we don't care anymore,
we're out of this cut The funny, SRI, the only
reason that you would do that is if you already

(42:59):
had another program, or you had, or that you had
the individual, the best individual for the job already, because
then you wouldn't need to fund them searching and looking
in studies and all that. For another thing, if you

(43:19):
already have the best guy that can already do it,
like the CIA said back whenever in the early seventies,
that they have someone they can see any anything, anywhere.
All they need to do is show him a picture
of that thing. So if they already have him, there's
no point in continuing funding for anybody else, right, So

(43:42):
that's what I believe happened. Because there's so many really
strange which is all going to be in the documentary
as well. There's a lot of very strange things that
surrounded Pat Price's death. There's very strange things like he
called his family members before the day before that he

(44:02):
was found dead in the hotel room and gave them
very cryptic goodbyes. He took out a very large life
in assurance policy right before he died the whenever he
was the family wasn't informed of his death until he
was already cremated. Wow. Interesting, they'd already cremated the man

(44:25):
before they ever called his wife and called his family
to say that he was dead. Whenever he died, the
a man came in with what could be described as
men in black, came in with briefcases and told everyone
to clear out of the clear out of the building
that they had under control.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
That's crazy man.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
And so there's a really and then mix that with
what Yuri Geller was saying that they do not kill
people that lay golden eggs. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Not to give away too much more from the film,
But is there anything else that we didn't cover yet
that you can give the audience a little sneak peek about.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Well, there's going to be a lot of The documentary
is going to run about an hour and forty minutes
that it's going to cover a lot of information really quickly,
the history of the remote viewing unit. It's going to
get into the gate programs, it's going to get into
the Monroe Institute gateway tapes, because that's another thing. Whenever

(45:39):
Army Intelligence sent the Army personnel to the Monroe Institute
to study under Robber Monroe to see if being outside
of the body it could increase or make the remote
viewing more accurate, or the psychic ability is more accurate.
They also brought those tapes back to for Mead, Maryland,

(46:01):
so they had access to those tapes, and according to
Lim Buchanan and some other people that were actually there
said that they would use those tapes to like cool
down and like after a remote viewing session, to like
relax and like gather their thoughts back into it. Now,

(46:21):
I don't want people getting the wrong impression of remote
viewing and how remote viewing works. It's not one hundred
percent accurate. It's never been one hundred percent accurate. And
sometimes the people that are seeing these things aren't really

(46:42):
even seeing them, they're getting impressions. Okay, So how it
would work is did we get into the relaxed state,
we get into their what could be considered a meditative state.
Then they'll get a a piece of paper and a pen,

(47:03):
and then they will be assigned the coordinate. I mean,
there's different ways of remote viewing. There's extended remote viewing,
could coordinate remote viewing, long range remote there's many different
ways to do it. But with coordinate remote viewing, they
would be assigned the target. The person that is giving
the target to The individual is supposed to be blind

(47:24):
to the target because if they're not blind to the target,
then they can then influence the target. So the person
that's assigning the target essentially has to imbue what is
what the target is onto the coordinate. The coordinate literally
does not matter. The coordinate isn't a real coordinate, it's

(47:49):
a series of numbers. Yeah, So the person that's assigning
the target has to be highly trained in order to
not subliminally get things mixed up with the coordinate and
then in view things that aren't real and create their

(48:10):
perception so that the remote viewer can't see the thing
that they're supposed to be seen. It's a very complicated
and complex process when you get into the military remote
viewing stuff. It's not as easy as sitting down and

(48:32):
looking at a picture and then remote viewing the picture
nine times out of ten. If you're doing that, then
you're just using your imagination. You're just seeing things that
you want to see. That's the whole point of remote viewing.
It is to be blind to the target because then

(48:55):
the information and the things that you see is pure.
Because if you know what it is that you're supposed
to be viewing, then that gets subliminal, that messages into
your brain to trick your brain into seeing what you
think that you should see makes sense, So you need

(49:17):
to be blind. The person that's giving you the target
needs to be blind. So then there has to be
a middleman in between there. So the person that assigns
a target and the person that gives a target has
to be different people. Then you sit down, then you
take your pen and your piece of paper, and then

(49:39):
you view. You get impressions of what you think that
it is, and then you draw on a piece of
paper and any words or any thoughts that come to
mind on the piece of paper. That's what these military
or remote viewing sessions were, and that's how they operated,

(50:00):
and that's how they worked. And I think that with
you know, social media and these self proclaimed remote viewers
and self proclaimed psychics have the wrong impression or the
wrong idea of how remote viewing is. There's a difference

(50:21):
between being remote viewing and being psychics. There are two
separate things. If you can look at a picture and
see what's going on currently at that place in based

(50:41):
off of that picture, that means you're psychic. That's basically
what Pat Price was. Pat Price was a very powerful psychic.
Now you can argue that he was remote viewing or whatever.
That's what they would call it. It would be remote viewing.
But if you take a picture and you can describe

(51:04):
what's going on at that location, you are a psychic.
You're not a remote viewer. Remote viewing is a completely
separate protocol. There's a protocol to remote viewing. So people
are getting these things mixed up thinking that they're remote
viewing when they're not actually remote viewing. They're just they're
literally setting down and using their imagination to come up

(51:28):
with what their brain believes might possibly be going on
at that location.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Now, I know we went over the possibility of remote assassins,
but do you know if they were also able to say,
affect the environment of what they were trying to remote
view in any way?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Many experiments of that Ingo Swan would do that on
many occasions. That's one of the things that you did
that got the military and the CIA and interested in
the phenomenon. You know, he would be able to remotely
affect the environment and move things around where that he

(52:09):
wasn't even near. It's called remote perturbation. That's the official term,
which would translate to something like remote telekinesis where you
can move an object that is nowhere near you or
around you. Yeah, the Russians were also into remote perturbation,

(52:34):
remote influence. Believe personally that it is possible to do
you can remotely. What you get then gives a whole
new definition to you know, haunted activity and spirits and ghosts.
Maybe it's not even Maybe it's not even ghosts. Maybe
it's not even spirits, dude, Maybe it's literally a living

(52:57):
person that's remote viewing you and affecting your environment.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, right on, man, I can't wait for this film
last few minutes. I know you've done some great work
in calling out BSUFO narratives, people who are involved that
are spreading disinformation. Some of the current happenings that tend
to involve UFOs or the narrative is pushed towards a

(53:26):
UFO or extraterrestrial. But as far as where we're at now,
we have at lists more congressional hearings that pop up
here and there. What are your thoughts on the state
of quote unquote disclosure?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Oh man, honestly, I haven't really been paying too much attention.
I kind of left that whole thing because I it's
almost like whenever you're when you're on to something too soon,
it almost feels like that you're wrong, you know what

(54:08):
I mean, Like you get you get attacked by all
kinds of people. You get you know, hate comments, hate messages,
and all kinds of nonsense and stupid ass, ridiculous emails,
you know, basically telling you that you're a propagandist and

(54:30):
that you're working for the government cover up the UFOs,
and that you're it's just ridiculous, dude. So that's what
it feels like when and I'm not the only one
that's experienced that. Several people have experienced that throughout, you know,
just in the past, you know, ten years, so often

(54:52):
being too soon on a topic often feels like that
you're wrong about the topic. And I felt like I
was really soon.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Well it was soon, but you were definitely onto something.
I agree with much of your thoughts on the matter.
We've been in a very interesting place when it comes
to the narratives that they're trying to push forward. And
like I said, you were doing a great job calling
that out. And I get it. People don't respond well
to things that they're not ready to let go of yet.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I mean, it's obviously an agenda, and where I think
that it's kind of heading is with AI. I think
that AI is going to be responsible for so much,
and they're going to pin a lot of things on me.
I mean, I know right now that they're already talking
about how that they want to what's that called whenever
you like, pardon that you would pardon all of these

(55:49):
different companies and holding all the secrets to the UFO technology.
We're gonna pardon them. We're not going to hold them
responsible for whenever all this information comes up. I think
that it's going to be used as an excuse for
defense in the name of an invisible boogeyman, just like

(56:09):
we've been led to believe the visible invisible boogeyman. It's
always been an invisible boogeyman. It's always been that thing
that no one can see, no one really has firsthand
knowledge of that it's you know, just happening, and we
need all this money to help protect you from the

(56:30):
invisible boogeyman. So I do one believe that it's going
to be used as a military budget the funnel more
money into to then protect us from the aliens.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Right, man, I think of all those YouTubers that for
years their content was about presenting video evidence. We're at
a point now where unfortunately it's gotten to look too
real and in many instances it's extremely difficult to tell

(57:07):
the difference. And that's only gonna get better. So it
seems like the era of any video evidence maybe did.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
It really is? And when you look at the history
of this stuff and you just like what I mentioned
with the man who wrote the book Operation Mind Control,
where the military would get these kids to dress up
in great alien costumes and abduct people and make them

(57:38):
believe that they had been abducted by aliens. They took
them to some kind of area that had a background
set that made them believe that they were on a
spaceship and stuff like that. If they're willing to go
that far, you just to pull something off like that.
If they're willing to go as far as to break
into Paul Benowitz's house in the early eighties to replace
his computer with an NSA modifi can to make him

(58:00):
believe that he's in contact with the aliens, while the
NSA it's posted up across the street be mean signals
into his house. Okay, if they're going to go that dialo,
What else are they willing to do? Man?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Have you read the book Cameleo heard about this story
Invisible People that were sitting we're sitting to this guy's house.
If they were doing shit like that back then, who
knows what they've got going on now? And you have
to question everything, even paranormal phenomena. We live in wild times. Brother.

(58:39):
Before I let you go, remind the audience where they
can find out more about you again.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
You'll find me on YouTube, any and all podcast platforms
Forbid Knowledge News Network on Facebook, Instagram, ex Twitter, and
you can watch my documentary as jfk X and Clockwork
Shining on Amazon Prime Video to b TV. And thanks
for having me on, and be looking forward to my

(59:06):
new documentary Psyche Agent Real Life Stranger Things, which is
hopefully going to be released soon, which we'll cover everything
that me and Chris talked about here today and much
much more.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Thank you for having on man, can't wait for that
to come out. Until next time. Everyone, have a wonderful evening.
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