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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
So let's go back to the very beginning, not necessarily
with your involvement with it, but from my understanding, this
property was purchased by the Mulligan family in nineteen oh seven.
Is that correct to your knowledge?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
So yeah, And researching the property the Mulligan stood own,
it was known as the Mulligan Homestead, and looking at
one of the gentlemen out there, Dick Mulligan was born
and raised on this property and he later in life
became the caretaker of Winnipark Ski Resort here in Colorado.
And it's interesting because he was really known he was
an Irish man born and raised on that property from

(00:48):
my childhood. And said that Dick Mulligan had the gift
of bold exaggeration and storytelling. And I was thinking, you know,
I can just imagine him trying to explain to people
what he's experienced seeing on that property and they just
kind of wrote it off as you know, him having
this bold exaggeration, which I don't think maybe he wasn't
exaggerating and he was just trying to communicate what was

(01:10):
going on, which leads to one of the questions I
always had in researching the property is how much of
this is black access government projects going on there and
how much of it is actual paranormal in nature. So,
and we can get into that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, it's close to a military base. You don't have
the name the military base, but it's a proximity to
an Air Force base.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, many Colorado springs.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
You know, we have Norad out there in the Air
Force Academy and Fort Carson big out there. So and
back in the mid to late seventies, you know, when
I was a young girl experiencing things out there, if
I pulled up the old maps of the area, and
the Air Force Academy owned a lot of property back
across I twenty five, through the Black Forest and up

(02:02):
through Elbert County, so you know, and that property did
it was sixty acres out there in Elbert County and
it sat vacant for the report, say seven to twelve years.
My records showed roughly around ten years it was vacant.
And so you know, back in seventy five, Linda Moulton
Howe got her start out there, investigating these strange animal deaths.

(02:23):
She was an investigative dentalist out here in Colorado, and
that was, you know, one of the big things that
was going on at investigated by the Colorado Bureau of Investigations.
The governor gotten involved. So that's kind of where it
started out there where the strange animal deaths all across
the Midwest.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Now, from my understanding, the property was the property owned
by the Mulligan family. Whenever, because the names have all
been changed, they're essentially all suit in them. So you're
gonna have to excuse me whenever mentioning their names because
you know them by different names, and I know them
by another set of names. So did John did John?

(03:08):
He goes by Priestley in the reports and in the
stories John basically did John buy the property from the
Mulligans or did the Mulligans saw the property to somebody
else and then John and his family buy it from
the other people.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, the Mulligan's basically abandoned the property left and that
was something really interesting. And pulling a lot of the
newspaper articles on the mutilations back in the day, I
started contacting some of these you know, local neighbors and
interviewing people in the town and because I was curious,
you know, had they seen anything unusual about the sixty

(03:45):
acre property and they would see lights flying on and
off of it, and there were rumors about this property.
There was even a rumor in the report of like
a building that disappeared and the truck keys were still
left in the ignition, you know, crazy things like that.
It's a very strange property. It feels kind of strange
when you're there, but the whole area of Elbert County

(04:09):
was hit hard. It wasn't just this one property.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So to back up, when I.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Was a young girl, the reason I knew when I
got hunt for the Skinwalker, that's the first time I
learned anybody knew anything about the ranch at all. Because
we were threatened and war never to talk about what
happened out there, and we'll talk about what that was,
what that looked like.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So I never wo police department that threatened you not
say anything or no.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
It was this.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
It was the scariest night I experienced on the ranch.
It was a strange electronic sounding voice.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
And in the APRO report.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
APRO was a Aerial phenomenon Research organization that I learned
actually investigated the property, and beknownst to me, I mean,
I'm nine, ten eleven years old, so I wouldn't have
known anyway. But basically, you know, they had reports. One
of the first things reported out there on the property
worthy strange hum that sounded a lot like the Taus hum.

(05:04):
And anytime this hum would start up, unusual things would happen.
So we were out there celebrating the boys' mom's birthday.
Let me set up what this looked like, because it's
kind of confusing. We moved to Colorado in nineteen seventy
from Illinois. My mom and my dad divorced in seventy three.
By nineteen seventy five, she started dating a gentleman from

(05:26):
her work. My mom worked for United Airlines as a
key punch operator in the Denver Tech Center. She meets
a gentleman by the name of Jack. I believe he
is Jim or John in the Apple Report. That's how
you know his real name is Jack, So my mom
is dating Jack. Jack is not officially divorced from his
wife in the report.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Her name is Barbara, but her real name is Betty.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
So Jack and Betty actually never get divorced. Now, Here's
where it gets interesting. Enter John, and I believe John
is Jim in the report. John is this character who
claims to have been part of the Air Force Command.
He comes from San Francisco, meets Betty. So Betty and

(06:11):
John are dating, and my mom and Jacker dating. Okay, desents,
so me and my older sister right.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Are there.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
And then Betty and Jack have three boys. So the
two younger boys live with us about forty five minutes
away from when the ranches, so we traveled back and
forth to the ranch, would spend weekends on the ranch.
I did not live on this property. I'm thank goodness
because I think I would have been scarred for life
had I've been. And I was kind of talking her

(06:43):
before the show that in retrospect, I look back and
I think, you know, the three the two younger boys
lived with us during the week for three years, and
I'm like, I bet not only did they want them
to attend Cherry Creek School District, which is a really
big school district here in Colorado, but I think they
wanted to protect him from the weird activity that was
going on at the ranch. So only the oldest son,

(07:06):
his name was Jack, junior or Jackie, we called him it.
During that those years, he lived on the ranch full time.
So that's kind of the setup. It's kind of weird.
And interestingly enough, Jack and Betty never did get divorced
and they recently passed, so they spent the rest of
their lives married. But for those three years of that

(07:26):
high strangeness, my mom was dating dating him, so you know,
it was a seventies free love piece. I don't know,
but the persons most interesting is John John Duke.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
He's very suspicious, so.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Because it's a little confusing because I have different names
for these people, so it's kind of difficult to distinguish
which one which ones are Which did the family's mother
ever live on She lived on the ranch, that's.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Barbara, Yeah, and the report she's Barbara.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
She she experienced a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Of things on that march and you know, seeing ets
being paralyzed, you know, all the so she was there
full time.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Then there's a report that she somehow got knocked down
by an unexplainable arb or like a saucer or like
a craft.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, So this is where, you know, one of the
big things I've been really looking into, like we talked
about is how much of this is you know, black
x as military, MPK, ultra things, and there's clues that
that was going on. Doctor Leo Sprinkle was one of
the APRO investigators and he was a psychologist and did
a lot of regressions out of the University of Wyoming.

(08:49):
There he is on the document are Leo Sprinkle, So
he was one of the main investigators. And when I
learned of his involvement in this case, you know, I
quickly wrote him a letter confirming this was the location
of my childhood. Went out there in three years, going
back and forth to the archives, digging into old documents,

(09:09):
and in his handwritten notes they talk about a soldier
by the name of Warren. His last name was redacted out,
but it basically basically said Warren from Camp Carson visits
the ranch.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Felt seemed wrong.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
He didn't want to go into the woods because there
was these ponderosa upon pines behind the ranch house. Something
took over his mind made him walk towards the woods
would release him. He would run back to the ranch house.
And this did this to him three times. So you know,
number one, why is there a soldier from Camp Carson?
Even at the ranch property number one. We know in

(09:48):
his handwritten notes with the under Sheriff Bill Waw and
George Arnell that they