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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is a clip from Raised by Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You can access the entire episode now on our website
and all podcast platforms.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You've heard of ghosts, paranormal activity, poltergeist activity, cattle mutilations, aliens,
extraterrestrial abductions, But have you heard of alien phone calls? Well,
this is the case of the Sudbrink family. The Subbrink
phone Calls of nineteen ninety three. Gary Sudbrink was an
(00:32):
Air Force captain living in San Antonio, Texas. He flew
to Long Island, New York to visit his friends and family.
While there, he experienced many strange and unsettling phone calls
on a landline of his father's home. This case is
very intriguing and has Doppelginger activity UFO cases in this
(00:55):
alien phone calls, and here to discuss it with US
is former THEO in US Army Military Intelligence Security Specialist
Anti terrorism counterintelligence, Trey Hudson. Welcome back to the show.
How's it going, Hey, doing great? Doing great.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Had a bad group of storms that move through here
this morning, but everybody survived and you know we're doing good.
I'm really looking forward to this one, le like I
was telling you before. The show. This one is this
is an enigma. This is going to be kind of
tough to you know, to wrap with a you know,
a nice bow and send it off to the easy
(01:31):
to explain or easy to pass off as you know,
a misunderstanding or a misidentification. So this was really cool.
So I appreciate you know, having me on today, and
I think this is going to be a fun show.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah. I was really intrigued by this.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
See.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I followed this channel called Bedtime Stories and I followed
it for about six years now. I've been following it
and they have like a lot of weird and strange
stories and they put artwork, They make all the artwork,
and then they tell the story through a narrator. And
that's where I've found a lot of really strange and
(02:08):
weird stories. And I sent it to you and I
was like, what do you think of this thing? And
that's what inspired the show today. And we also had
done the Kamar Duban incident in Russia, which was also
in nineteen ninety three, and then we did the Stephen
Kubacki episode of the guy that went missing and then reappeared.
(02:32):
How long was it after that, like five to ten years,
was it two years or it was a while he
disappeared and then he reappeared, and so now we're on
this mysterious alien phone calls. Now I had heard of
and we have some clips that we're gonna play of
the three phone calls that he received, him and his
(02:53):
family received. But I've heard of like paranormal phone calls before,
of like ghost and sometimes they get warning from like
ghosts and things like that, Like if a family member dies,
they'll receive a phone call from that family member. I've
heard of that, and that's really interesting. And also I've
heard of like strange paranormal phone calls that will like
(03:16):
warn them of something in the future, like the death
of like a family member or death of a friend,
or some disaster. Had you heard of those before?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah? Actually I had. I you know, I went to
the University of West Georgia and studied under doctor William
Roll and one incident, doctor Role invited me to go
with him to a kind of a very intimate kind
of gathering of people in Atlanta, and one of the
people there was Scott Rogo who wrote the book Phone
(03:47):
Calls from the Debt, and that goes into you know,
my personal opinion, the paranormal, the UFO and all that
I think is all part of one one thing. And so,
you know, Rugo wrote a lot about, uh, you know, people,
as you talked about earlier, receiving phone calls from you know,
deceased relatives or you know, people that were friends that
(04:10):
had passed on, you know, either recently or years and
years and years ago. And this phenomena, you know, isn't
really that unusual.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
The idea of using a machine to communicate with the
other side, you know, the others, isn't new.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's the technical term for it. It's called instrumental transcommunication.
And we can go all the way back to the Bible, uh,
where the uh, the Arc of the Covenant was built
and was used as a communication device with got you know,
it was a machine, and it had certain elements to it,
and it had to be built in a certain way,
(04:48):
and that actually was an instrument used to communicate with
another dimension. So that was one of the first you know,
written examples in the Talmud of uh instrumental transcommunication. And
then we move forward, you know, into the twenty first
century and we have telephones, VR or VCRs, I'm showing
my age. I remember VCRs, Yeah, videos, and you know
(05:11):
now computers. Everybody's heard of electronic voice phenomena EVP. So
you know, this is just another facet of using instrumentation
to communicate with something else, something beyond our three dimensions.
John Keele called him a ultra terrestrials. I call them
paired dimensionals, but you know, communicating with something else.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, I think it's important to set up this. So
as I mentioned this gentleman Sudbrink, Gary Sudbrink, he lived
in Antonio, Texas. He worked for the Air Force. He
was an Air Force officer. And the strange part of
it is like leading up to it. So in nineteen
(05:53):
ninety two he decided to go to Long Island. He
had this really strange encounter on this airplane where this
guy was asking him all these questions and he's in
his military uniform and this guy is basically not leaving
him alone. And then he goes to his brother's reception
in Long Island, New York. And whenever he gets there,
(06:14):
he hadn't talked to his brother yet. And then when
his brother came up to him, he was like hey,
Like that was really weird of you. Earlier, I saw
you at a traffic light. You pulled up in your
car and you were making like all these weird and
strange faces at me, and then you just sped off,
And Gary Suidbrink was like, well, that's impossible. That couldn't
(06:35):
have been me because I flew in. It wasn't my car.
I don't have my car here with me. I flew
into Long Island. And then that kind of plays a
role later on with these phone calls, and the doppelganger
aspect is really interesting as well.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, if I recall when he was at the airport
getting ready to go to Long Eye, and I think
he was initially approached by somebody in the gate area
with with a spiral bound pad and was asking him
a whole lot of questions like you know, what's your name?
Where you're going instead it was part of a survey, uh.
(07:17):
And then he got onto the plane and there was
an individual sitting in the seat across the aisle from
him who had longish hair, was Mail and likewise was
asking him about uh, you know, you know a lot
of really personal questions. And the stewardess you said you're
in somebody's seat. You need to you know, you need
to move so that the strange long haired guy moves
(07:38):
like two rows back, you know, still trying to strike
up a conversation with Captain Sudbrink. And then the steward said, no, no,
you're way in the back of the airplane. So this
you have, you know, two people, you know really kind
of you know picking at this guy asking a lot
of information. And the first thing that popped into me
in my mind was, uh, you know, of course, old
(07:59):
counter intelligence guy. I was thinking, you know, could this
be some sort of elicitation attempt, you know, by you know,
either a test uh you know, to see if he
would disclose information or if it was you know, an
elicitation from a you know, a uh another uh country
or something. And so I spared digging a little bit
back into Sidbrink. And he was a pharmacist, so he
(08:21):
while he may have some access to sensitive information, he
wasn't really in the sensitive information business, you know, unless
you know, you're getting your arrehethromycin is sensitive data. Uh,
so you know, it's it was really weird and it
kind of set you know, kind of set the whole
you know, the whole crooks for this thing. You know,
(08:42):
the kind of set you know, lift of fuse of
high strangeness for this. So it was, uh yeah, started
off with a bang. I started off with you know,
some really really weird stuff that kind of made my
you know, my skin kind of creep out a little
bit when I was reading about the airport encounters. And then,
like you said, it only got worse when he landed
there in New York and went and met with his
family in Long Island.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And the really strange part about this is the second
time that he goes back. So he goes back a year.
He had a big brick from being in the Air Force.
He had like a little bit of a vacation. I
think it was like a four day off thing. And
when you're in the military, you're supposed to, well, from
my understanding, you can tell me if I'm wrong on this,
but you're supposed to alert your officers and your superior
(09:26):
officers and the people that you're leaving the state or
if you're going out of town. So he decided not
to let the Air Force know or his superior officers
that he was going to go back to New York City.
So nobody knew that he was leaving Texas to go
back home to visit Long Island. Right, And whenever he
(09:49):
gets to Long Island to visit with his father, they
get this mysterious phone call.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah,
This is a clip from Raised by Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You can access the entire episode now on our website
and all podcast platforms.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You've heard of ghosts, paranormal activity, poltergeist activity, cattle mutilations, aliens,
extraterrestrial abductions, But have you heard of alien phone calls? Well,
this is the case of the Sudbrink family. The Subbrink
phone Calls of nineteen ninety three. Gary Sudbrink was an
(00:32):
Air Force captain living in San Antonio, Texas. He flew
to Long Island, New York to visit his friends and family.
While there, he experienced many strange and unsettling phone calls
on a landline of his father's home. This case is
very intriguing and has Doppelginger activity UFO cases in this
(00:55):
alien phone calls, and here to discuss it with US
is former THEO in US Army Military Intelligence Security Specialist
Anti terrorism counterintelligence, Trey Hudson. Welcome back to the show.
How's it going, Hey, doing great? Doing great.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Had a bad group of storms that move through here
this morning, but everybody survived and you know we're doing good.
I'm really looking forward to this one, le like I
was telling you before. The show. This one is this
is an enigma. This is going to be kind of
tough to you know, to wrap with a you know,
a nice bow and send it off to the easy
(01:31):
to explain or easy to pass off as you know,
a misunderstanding or a misidentification. So this was really cool.
So I appreciate you know, having me on today, and
I think this is going to be a fun show.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah. I was really intrigued by this.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
See.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I followed this channel called Bedtime Stories and I followed
it for about six years now. I've been following it
and they have like a lot of weird and strange
stories and they put artwork, They make all the artwork,
and then they tell the story through a narrator. And
that's where I've found a lot of really strange and
(02:08):
weird stories. And I sent it to you and I
was like, what do you think of this thing? And
that's what inspired the show today. And we also had
done the Kamar Duban incident in Russia, which was also
in nineteen ninety three, and then we did the Stephen
Kubacki episode of the guy that went missing and then reappeared.
(02:32):
How long was it after that, like five to ten years,
was it two years or it was a while he
disappeared and then he reappeared, and so now we're on
this mysterious alien phone calls. Now I had heard of
and we have some clips that we're gonna play of
the three phone calls that he received, him and his
(02:53):
family received. But I've heard of like paranormal phone calls before,
of like ghost and sometimes they get warning from like
ghosts and things like that, Like if a family member dies,
they'll receive a phone call from that family member. I've
heard of that, and that's really interesting. And also I've
heard of like strange paranormal phone calls that will like
(03:16):
warn them of something in the future, like the death
of like a family member or death of a friend,
or some disaster. Had you heard of those before?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah? Actually I had. I you know, I went to
the University of West Georgia and studied under doctor William
Roll and one incident, doctor Role invited me to go
with him to a kind of a very intimate kind
of gathering of people in Atlanta, and one of the
people there was Scott Rogo who wrote the book Phone
(03:47):
Calls from the Debt, and that goes into you know,
my personal opinion, the paranormal, the UFO and all that
I think is all part of one one thing. And so,
you know, Rugo wrote a lot about, uh, you know, people,
as you talked about earlier, receiving phone calls from you know,
deceased relatives or you know, people that were friends that
(04:10):
had passed on, you know, either recently or years and
years and years ago. And this phenomena, you know, isn't
really that unusual.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
The idea of using a machine to communicate with the
other side, you know, the others, isn't new.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's the technical term for it. It's called instrumental transcommunication.
And we can go all the way back to the Bible, uh,
where the uh, the Arc of the Covenant was built
and was used as a communication device with got you know,
it was a machine, and it had certain elements to it,
and it had to be built in a certain way,
(04:48):
and that actually was an instrument used to communicate with
another dimension. So that was one of the first you know,
written examples in the Talmud of uh instrumental transcommunication. And
then we move forward, you know, into the twenty first
century and we have telephones, VR or VCRs, I'm showing
my age. I remember VCRs, Yeah, videos, and you know
(05:11):
now computers. Everybody's heard of electronic voice phenomena EVP. So
you know, this is just another facet of using instrumentation
to communicate with something else, something beyond our three dimensions.
John Keele called him a ultra terrestrials. I call them
paired dimensionals, but you know, communicating with something else.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, I think it's important to set up this. So
as I mentioned this gentleman Sudbrink, Gary Sudbrink, he lived
in Antonio, Texas. He worked for the Air Force. He
was an Air Force officer. And the strange part of
it is like leading up to it. So in nineteen
(05:53):
ninety two he decided to go to Long Island. He
had this really strange encounter on this airplane where this
guy was asking him all these questions and he's in
his military uniform and this guy is basically not leaving
him alone. And then he goes to his brother's reception
in Long Island, New York. And whenever he gets there,
(06:14):
he hadn't talked to his brother yet. And then when
his brother came up to him, he was like hey,
Like that was really weird of you. Earlier, I saw
you at a traffic light. You pulled up in your
car and you were making like all these weird and
strange faces at me, and then you just sped off,
And Gary Suidbrink was like, well, that's impossible. That couldn't
(06:35):
have been me because I flew in. It wasn't my car.
I don't have my car here with me. I flew
into Long Island. And then that kind of plays a
role later on with these phone calls, and the doppelganger
aspect is really interesting as well.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, if I recall when he was at the airport
getting ready to go to Long Eye, and I think
he was initially approached by somebody in the gate area
with with a spiral bound pad and was asking him
a whole lot of questions like you know, what's your name?
Where you're going instead it was part of a survey, uh.
(07:17):
And then he got onto the plane and there was
an individual sitting in the seat across the aisle from
him who had longish hair, was Mail and likewise was
asking him about uh, you know, you know a lot
of really personal questions. And the stewardess you said you're
in somebody's seat. You need to you know, you need
to move so that the strange long haired guy moves
(07:38):
like two rows back, you know, still trying to strike
up a conversation with Captain Sudbrink. And then the steward said, no, no,
you're way in the back of the airplane. So this
you have, you know, two people, you know really kind
of you know picking at this guy asking a lot
of information. And the first thing that popped into me
in my mind was, uh, you know, of course, old
(07:59):
counter intelligence guy. I was thinking, you know, could this
be some sort of elicitation attempt, you know, by you know,
either a test uh you know, to see if he
would disclose information or if it was you know, an
elicitation from a you know, a uh another uh country
or something. And so I spared digging a little bit
back into Sidbrink. And he was a pharmacist, so he
(08:21):
while he may have some access to sensitive information, he
wasn't really in the sensitive information business, you know, unless
you know, you're getting your arrehethromycin is sensitive data. Uh,
so you know, it's it was really weird and it
kind of set you know, kind of set the whole
you know, the whole crooks for this thing. You know,
(08:42):
the kind of set you know, lift of fuse of
high strangeness for this. So it was, uh yeah, started
off with a bang. I started off with you know,
some really really weird stuff that kind of made my
you know, my skin kind of creep out a little
bit when I was reading about the airport encounters. And then,
like you said, it only got worse when he landed
there in New York and went and met with his
family in Long Island.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And the really strange part about this is the second
time that he goes back. So he goes back a year.
He had a big brick from being in the Air Force.
He had like a little bit of a vacation. I
think it was like a four day off thing. And
when you're in the military, you're supposed to, well, from
my understanding, you can tell me if I'm wrong on this,
but you're supposed to alert your officers and your superior
(09:26):
officers and the people that you're leaving the state or
if you're going out of town. So he decided not
to let the Air Force know or his superior officers
that he was going to go back to New York City.
So nobody knew that he was leaving Texas to go
back home to visit Long Island. Right, And whenever he
(09:49):
gets to Long Island to visit with his father, they
get this mysterious phone call.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah,
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