Reclaiming Hijacked Perception, Endangered Parasite Class & Fading Illusions | Dawn Lester - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on? It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

(00:23):
The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
Today my guest is Don Lester. Be sure and check
out my film's Doors of Perception on Amazon Prime. I
called Louisiana is on to be Roku, Apple and many more.
We're booking guests Virginia. If you have suggestions or you'd
like to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledge Neews
at gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome back

(01:07):
to the show Don Lester. She is a cancer survivor,
author and researcher looking into a variety of topics, including
metaphysics and the nature of reality. Don welcome back. How
you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Thank you for having me again. Yeah, I know, I'm good.
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
How are you excellent? It is great to have you
back on Last time we discussed your journey and research
surrounding health and wellness. Today, you wanted to take a
look under reality's hood, discuss the mechanics of the matrix.
What is this strange realm? Why are we here? What's
happening now? This has been the center of my journey

(01:47):
for a long time, and knowing that I will probably
never have all the answers, but maybe better questions and
a more rewarding journey through this incarnation. But this leaves
a lot to get too. Before we do, remind the
audience just a little about yourself and let them know
how they can find out more.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
All right, thank you? Yeah, I mean there are great topics. Yes,
I am co althor I suppose, mainly known for co
authoring What Really Makes You Will, a rather large tone
about the problems with the health system. I also cothroed
a book about the nature of reality, which is another

(02:29):
reason why it's something that I am still curious about,
because again, it helps us to get a clearer idea
of what this is all about. And as you say,
the more we look, the more we find it's it
leaves us with more questions and it keeps opening up,

(02:49):
which is exciting. It can unsettle some people at the
same time. I if I just find it exciting, So
I mean, my journey has taken me kind of through
health and also understanding that there's more to this physical
being that we are, and that makes such a difference

(03:13):
to how we approach life. And that's the point that
it's not that we are escaping the physical body to
go off and be something else. It's understanding that we
are that's something else, and how we then live life,
because spirituality isn't about being somewhere else. It's about recognizing

(03:36):
how to be here in this realm, which is increasingly
interesting and puzzling and exciting as well. I mean, it
certainly doesn't work the way we've been told it works.
And again, it's so much that's going on at the moment,

(03:59):
lots of weird stuff that can be unsettling. At the
same time, when you have an understanding understanding of us
being more than this physical being that we are, then
we could say okay, well what can we do with this?
And it's also about interpretation and how we see things,
and there's a lot of fear mungering to keep us

(04:21):
in a place where we're going down the wrong interpretations,
and of course knowing that how we think affects our
experiences because how we think translates into words words, and
we know like words as spells, and how we use
our language and what we can do. And it's not

(04:44):
to make people think, oh, you know, I can't say anything.
It's to say, well, okay, just be aware. And when
you're aware, you think, oh right, okay, I can shift
how I see things. And you know, just using examples,
I mean, just the simple one is whenever you say
I am something, you know you're giving that out as

(05:08):
an instruction that your body can then kind of take on.
And that's why it's important in the health side of things,
which is one area I've gone down that there's so
many labels that people are given, you know, the diagnoses.
And again I'm not giving health advice here, I don't.
I'm sharing information your disclaim like throw out. Yeah. It's

(05:33):
more the labels than people say, oh I have or
I am or myy this and they own it and
then not realizing that they're then taking that information. So
I mean that's a that's like an overview, really, but
I mean you can dive into so many parts of that,
and really with the what's going on at the moment

(05:56):
is it is being interpreted in various different ways, and
some of them are more fear MAAE. Yeah, and I
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
When trying to understand the nature of reality and what
we're doing here. I've had so many different perspectives. I
explore this pretty much every day with different individuals and
guests that I've had on and I'm blessed to be
able to do that and get as many perspectives as
I do. But as we said already, that just opens

(06:30):
up more questions. I've heard everything from we are on
a prison planet to a simulation to training ground of
some sort. I do consider everything, and I enjoy hearing
these different perspectives. But I think since this is such

(06:50):
a big topic to explore, maybe we could start with,
like you said, what's happening now your understanding of what
we've been going through, Especially the past few years, people
are becoming aware of things, asking more questions than ever,
where do you want to start there?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, I see what's going on as and you know,
we have a mutual friend, Brandon Thomas, and I listen
to his podcast episode with You a month ago, and
I have a very similar view to him that what
is going on at the moment is actually to help

(07:32):
us become more aware of who we are and what
we can do, rather than scaring us. And this is
where I think now, I'm not just saying, oh, you know,
to be love and light and ignore what's going on.
It's not. It's that balance of that way of approaching
and understanding what's going on, and it's being interpreted in

(07:56):
various different ways that you know, there's a air quotes
who are in charge, and that immediately takes agency away
from us in terms of how we live our lives.
And that certainly was evident from the twenty twenty nonsense
because it was about encouraging people to do things based

(08:22):
on something that has been proven to be untrue to
you know, because that's where I've done a lot of
research in that area. So whatever was going on, there
wasn't a thing going around affecting people. There was nothing nasty,
no invisible enemy, but a lot of people believe that

(08:47):
and acted as if that was true, which you know,
when you actually stop looking at it, it isn't true
or hasn't been proven to be true. You know, this
whole idea of what these invisible enemies are. So that
has even though it did affect a lot of people

(09:08):
in pretty serious ways, and that I'm not denying that. Also,
I'm not denying that people were had symptoms. It's what
it has done is it's helped us learn more or
helped to share information to more people about what these

(09:29):
symptoms really are, what illness really is. That it's not
something that is bad and we have to stop because
it's nasty. You know, there's nasty stuff going around that
it's understanding what our bodies actually are. And in the
same way as you know, in the bigger picture of
what nature is, you know, it's we're made to believe

(09:49):
that nature is dangerous and you know, we've got to
be fearful of it. Whereas I so and again I'm
still working through my ideas and my view now, which
may change, or some parts of it may change, is
that this is not a prison planet per se. It's

(10:13):
it's a realm where we can learn too, or learn
how to have experiences through the five senses, through the
you know, through the touch of the site, because that's
these these are filters in a way that allow us

(10:36):
to have a particular type of experience through those five senses.
I mean, it's not as limited as we've been made
to believe, you know, through science that it's you know,
the materialistic, reductionist, deterministic science. It's not you know that
those views are definitely not how this realm works. You know,

(10:58):
because once you start looking, you know, there are huge holes,
you know, the idea that everything's made of these physical particles.
So once you start looking down that particular path with
which I have been doing as well, so it shows
that this experience is not as fixed as we've been

(11:18):
made to believe. Only that, as I said, at the moment,
I feel that nature. There's something natural about nature, if
you like. You know that the trees grow up and
you know, grow stronger, and plants grow, and you know
there are some natural cycles within life that nature works

(11:40):
through certain geometries. You know, there are patterns within nature.
So there are some principles, they're not as fixed as
the rules we're made to think they are. You know,
the things are not aspect fixed. So it's it's that

(12:02):
sense of opening up to what's possible. Is there's more
the you know, again we've been led to believe that,
you know, oh, this is how it works, these systems.
So again, these systems are in place to make us
think that's how it works. You know, they are the
only ways, and I mean the typically well for me,

(12:24):
they've got the best examples. Like the medical system is like,
this is how it works. You know, this is what
health is, this is what you do, and that just
once you look at it properly, it all falls apart.
That is not about health, that is not about healthcare.
So we can say, no, that doesn't work. So what
are our bodies? And there's a lot of new information

(12:47):
coming out of that kind of dispells pretty much everything
of what the medical system says. You know, we're not
you know, we're not even ruled by genes, you know,
those kinds of things. And you know, we made of
a lot of water. That there's water isn't the way
we've been told. There's a lot of really fascinating work

(13:09):
being done on how we can affect water, you know,
like the Vada Austin works, Emoto's work of you know.
So again, this is where the language comes in. This
is where sound light and you know that we are
energetic beings. We're not bags of chemicals. We are electrical beings, electromagnetic,
we have a magnetic biofiled you know all these that

(13:34):
I mean, some people still think they woo only they
are that there's a lot of there's a building body
of evidence show that these these ideas are more than
just strange ideas. They are not pseudoscience. And there's it
opens us opens up for us to learn more about

(13:57):
who we are. So this is what's where things are
at the moment. Is exciting and interesting, and it requires
us to unlearn a lot of things that we think
we know, and that can be the problem.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think some of the biggest things preventing people that
still haven't been able to come to complete awareness that
the systems are corrupt or that they're participating in something
anti human. Our perception, the collective perception, has obviously been

(14:34):
hijacked to a certain degree. It's an amazing time right
now because people are becoming aware of it. But there
is an illusion of complete power that a lot of
people seem to be placing on our ruling class up
to a point where they believe even the afterlife is

(14:54):
hijacked and arcons control our incarnation and we have to
be recent cycled constantly as food for them. But I
do think that's a very depressing and somewhat ridiculous concept.
I won't be able to ever adopt that. To my
own view. I think there's much more to this life,
but it's all based on illusion. They're masters of psychological manipulation.

(15:22):
There are a few evil geniuses out there that have
laid a foundation for global mind control that works until
a certain point when it doesn't, and I think this
is the point where it's stopping having that effect on
the masses of the population. But for those that still

(15:45):
are stuck in that, what would you tell them about
those that believe that they do have ultimate power over everything?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, that's the style, isn't it really? The psycho logical
operation to encourage people to believe that they don't have agency,
that they don't have any control, there's nothing they can do.
We are just you know, tiny little blips in this
whole system. And you know, what can one person do?

(16:17):
Only this is where the real flip starts, because it's
to understand that we actually have far more agency, far
more power. And I mean, I don't mean power over.
I mean power for ourselves to create our own experiences.
And a lot of people use the phrase, you know,

(16:37):
create your own reality, and I think it's it's very
general and it can be misunderstood. And we are certainly
able to influence our own experiences. And one of the
things is that each of us, we're all individual, each
of us is unique, and that may make things a

(17:00):
little difficult because our experiences are different from other people's,
So our experiences are tend to be influenced by our beliefs.
And as you say, you know, if a lot of
people are believing that there's nothing they can do, then
they will do nothing, because that's there's the whole cycle

(17:21):
of their believing in that. Now in terms of I mean,
good point about the afterlife now that I've not taken
a deep dive, but i find near death experiences is
a fascinating area and I've started to look into them
looking more. You know, again, this is just another around
sort of dipping my toe because it's it's fascinating because

(17:45):
people are recalling similar experiences in this realm that they
that kind of go to. If you're like and so
there's an awful lot of overlap. And people say, oh, yeah,

(18:07):
but there are some other people who have a you know,
a different experience, and that's true. And and some people
are you know, met by certain person you know, personages
you know, like either Buddha or Cryst or something. And
it's that wouldn't be surprising to me because you then

(18:30):
I didn't want to know what their belief system is,
because even in that realm, people tend to have the experience,
it's based on their own belief systems. So they're religious beliefs,
they're spiritual beliefs that will also coincide with you know,
their experiences will coincide with their beliefs. So that to

(18:57):
me shows that they're you know, even beyond this this
kind of physical experience, if you like, in this you know,
in this realm, that that it's still relative, you know,
it's not exactly the same experience, except there are enough
similarities to show that there's something there, that there's something

(19:20):
going on. Now I can't know. I've not had an end,
so I don't know, so I can I can't say
from my personal experience, and so I don't I can't
say that I know. So again, this is where the
kind of what we know and what we think we know,
and where knowledge comes from information and how we filter

(19:43):
it all. So it's it can get a bit muddy
when you're kind of talking to other people when they've
got different views, and especially to say not having that
experience myself, because you know, I suppose you could say
in some way is you know, the only things that
we know what we experience, except that's pretty limited, and

(20:08):
you know that can lead to all kinds of wrong interpretations.
But I mean, you know, if we have an experience,
then that's something that you know, we know. And I
know there are people who who express certain experiences they have,
whether it's you know, out of body experiences NDS, contact

(20:30):
is just all the UFOs, different all kinds of different experiences.
So I would never dismiss anybody's experience because that's that's there,
that's what they've gone through, you know, it's it's real
for them. So again this is where we get to
the kind of what's real. And then in terms of

(20:50):
how people can be manipulated, I mean, there are plenty
of psychology, psychological experiments that have been done, you know,
through last century, you know, I mean, there's been loads
of a few of them are pretty well known. But
to know that people can be encouraged manipulated through either conformity,

(21:14):
you know, it's because I want to be like everyone else.
It's the conformity experiments. There's the you know, the Milgrim
experience where you know, it shows the appeal to authority.
I mean, it's a logical fallacy, but where people will
do what they've been told by an authority figure. So
there's a sense of how some people can be manipulated psychologically,

(21:39):
only not everyone is exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That brings up a question I've heard often even come
through this show that many believe that our free will
is being infringed upon to a point where some people
in a sense don't have a chance since they're incarnation,
because of the level of manipulation involved with that individual.

(22:09):
And I've heard horror stories about what people have gone
through mk ultra experimentation, born into abusive, psychotic families, And
it also brings up the question, why would you choose
to incarnate into something like that if you believe that
we do have innocence a choice of what we're going

(22:32):
to be doing in this incarnation. So a lot of
questions about the nature of that in free will come
up when it comes to the level of manipulation we're
exposed to. What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's a tough question. Again, Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
I have the sense that we do you choose our
a general life path for this incarnation, for this experience.

(23:13):
I'm it does seem really harsh what some people go through,
and it's and it can sound really mean to say, oh,
you just chose it, and I don't mean to say
it in that banner it is wow. It's more kind
of wow, you chose this, How amazing, how courageous, because

(23:39):
it's again a lot of people who go through that
culture and come out the other side and are then
telling other people they are they are amazing examples of
how we can learn how we are being manipulated, and
so they can help people realize what's going on and say, yeah,

(24:04):
that there's this isn't right. And I think that's because
of all these different systems, a lot of them are
really highlighting the that isn't right, that isn't how things
I don't like to say should, but it's not. It
doesn't feel the way life could be. And so it's

(24:28):
it's like, it's so wrong, it's bad. We've got to
stop that, which is again the general sense of what
I think what's going on at the moment everything is
is so loud, and it's also so crazy, so ridiculous.
I mean, fortunately a lot of it is just so

(24:50):
crazy you just laugh at it, which which which stops
you from getting pulled into it and taking it seriously.
And it's helping people see that it's wrong and getting
people to just just say whoa no, no, no, no, no, no,
this is not you know, this is not the kind
of life I want. This is not what life is.

(25:14):
And so that those people who have those experiences, you know,
is to say, as I say, wow, amazing, and thank
you for that contribution to helping us see what is
so wrong. Now that the people who seem to be

(25:37):
in control of all of this, I don't like to
use words that give them, you know, they give them
my sort of energy, my power. So it's finding alternative
ways of you know, labeling them. And I'm not going
to use all sorts of you know, different labels is

(26:00):
just where I am is. You know, I have called
them the would be controllers, because that's what they would like,
you know, they want to be around here.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
They're going to be harsh.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I yes.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
And it's more to put it in in a in
a way that they are, you know, moving out of
that role, because we don't want to hang on to
them playing that role because then that fixes that. So
it's it's learning how to relanguage, how we view everything

(26:42):
and again interpretations. And this is also one of the
I see one of the areas where in the should
we say sort of truth. I don't think it's a
movement as such, but you know, in the kind of
truth of communities, a lot of people have certain ideas
and that's great. You know, they have their belief systems
and their ideas, and then they're having arguments with other

(27:08):
people and they're holding them as if they are true.
Now that they may be true at the time, it
may not be the full story. So it's when they
get stuck in those ideas that and then there's a
lot of clashing within as I say, this sort of
the community, and of course that's not helping us kind

(27:33):
of move forward. When there's a lot of infighting, you know,
it's the divide and conquer. So my view is to
suggest that people say, Okay, I've got a slightly different view,
but to have a conversation recognize, well, I've got a
slightly different view, and to see if there's any or
to see what the common ground is, and to recognize

(27:55):
that we have different belief systems. Now, free will, that's
that's a huge that's a huge area. And there's some
people who say we don't. I think to a certain extent,
we do now because if we've I mean again where
I am at the moment, if thinking, if we've chosen

(28:17):
this particular journey for our life, this path, I don't
think every moment is fixed. I think it's a question
of a general kind of a general path, and along

(28:38):
that path there are choices and we can choose only
the general direction is already there, so these are choices
within the same direction, so we could kind of weave
around it. But the path, I mean, this is my
view at the moment, and it kind of ties in

(29:01):
with astrology. If you you know, if you follow that
that there are tendencies for each of us that you
know depending on where the how the stars aligned. You know,
when we're born and how things change and the different

(29:22):
sort of configurations and transits and different things that happened,
and you know that there there are some definite correlations
with all of that. You know, the opportunities that present
themselves and you think wow, and synchronicities, you know, and

(29:44):
we call them coincidences. So there's a there's a general path,
and I think within that we have some choice.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I would agree that's where.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I am at the moment. Oh okay, I was going
to say, because I would agree with that to.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
A certain degree. We have a relatively large level of
control over what we're doing here, and I understand that
can be hard for many people who have faced a
lot of trauma in their lives. But we're all just
trying to figure out what the hell's going on here,

(30:22):
and that's what we're doing. I want to explore some
of the hidden layers of reality. You mentioned synchronicity, earlier,
mentioned the astral realms, UFOs, paranormal, extraterrestrials, everything that entails
high strangeness that we can experience here. I've had enough

(30:45):
experiencers and people who have claimed to have been abducted
to know that there is something very profound that occurs
beyond our normal perception. What it is, I could not
tell you. There are some bound overlaps in people's experiences,
just like the near death experiences. There's overlap between that

(31:06):
and people's alien encounters and all kinds of metaphysical experiences
that seem to have profound connections to me. I do
see altered states as an extremely strong connection between a
lot of these experiences. People experiencing them in their dreams,
some kind of altered state are under the effects of psychedelics, meditation,

(31:34):
things love. This nature seem to be a strong trigger
for these experiences. But again, there is Joe Schmoe that
is walking along the woods and gets abducted by a
UFO and these other very high strange things that I
can't make any correlations or really understand what's happening there.

(31:54):
But it is beyond the realm of normal human experience,
and I'd love to get your insight into what lies
beyond our perception what we're dealing with. If you have
any thoughts about the nature of these intelligences. Maybe if
it's all the same thing presenting as something different, or
if we're dealing with an ecosystem of beings.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I haven't had a kind of paranormal experience to say
enough about how my perspective on that or my interpretation.
So I'm I only have information that I've gathered from
other people and you know, listening to you know, like

(32:43):
your podcasts and people that have had these experiences, and
that does seem to be again overlap certain experiences that
people have that are similar. Now, like you say, there's
more to us than this physical body, so there's there

(33:03):
are other states of consciousness, and I I kind of
use that term as you know, other states of consciousness,
like you know, in a dream. The I mean we
generally tend to say, oh I dream as in you know, thinking,
oh I don't have a dream, whereas it's I'm as

(33:26):
I've learning more and expanding kind of my understanding. I
see it more as the another experience of if you
like my the greater self, you know, I'm having one
experience as me and this physical body, and the the
dreams are other experiences in another state of consciousness. Now,

(33:50):
could those experiences of contact, eas and being abducted be
something along those lines, depending on how they perceive the
other entities that they're interacting with. I mean, I know
there are some people who say, there are you know,

(34:13):
evil entities here that are and I'm not desired denying that.
You know, there are a lot of people doing some
mean things, and I suppose it's where you know, the
starting point is if the I don't use the term god,

(34:36):
I kind of refer to the divine, and then it's
not a being, It's more an essence, if you like,
of the ultimate creator. And again even a creator sounds
like a being, so you know, so we are all
sparks of the divine is is how I kind of

(34:57):
see it. And so all experiences are relevant for the
divine two learn how to or to know what is possible,
and all different types of I'd say again, different experiences
in different realms, in different ways and different forms, because again,

(35:21):
you know, the human form is only one of them.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
So like the source of consciousness, Yes.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, definitely. So whether these people who have either contacted
or you know, contacting experiences, or have abduction, you know,
have that is that something that they chose when they incarnated.
I'm I'm open to ideas at this point. I don't

(35:53):
have fixed ideas and where I am at the moment,
I'd say maybe the you know that that's part of
their choice of what to experience. Now you could say
all that they never expected that. Yes, And that's the
point that we don't know the path that we're on.

(36:13):
So we have to have the ability to deal with
whatever is in front of us at the time in
the best way that we can. Because if we know
what's going to happen, our interaction, our reaction, the way
we respond will not be what you might call authentic.
So the experience needs to be authentic. And so we

(36:41):
don't know what's going to happen. So I so those
kinds of situations, you know, those events that people have,
whether you know, say abducted or contacted or you know,

(37:01):
in the mkaptra program or or any of these other
types of you know, not ordinary everyday life. I mean
that do they do they choose them, They won't know. However,
they helped to inform the rest of us is to

(37:23):
this realm not being the way we think it is,
you know. And again, how should we say air quakes
aliens are interpreted? You know, that's that's that's up for
question as well. I mean one of the things I think,
you know, with a Mandela effect, and how all sorts

(37:45):
of things have changed, and you you know, look at
that and wonder, how how does that work when suddenly
something that you know a lot of people thought was
one way suddenly is now a different way. And I
mean my view on that is that that shows how

(38:05):
this reality is not as fixed as we think it is.
Now a lot of people, you know, have slightly different interpretations.
So it's just I think these are ways of understanding
there's more to it. Only as I say, I can't
speak from an actual experience, so that that's why it's

(38:28):
I have to take a very general view at the moment,
and it's not an area I've gone into a lot
of detail. I find it fascinating though, and I'm changing
my view as I go along, because you know, at
one point there was a aliens because they're out there
on other planets and can attack the world, and of
course that suits the those who want to keep us

(38:51):
in a state of fear. And you know, the point
of recognizing it as being slightly different to say, well, no,
we don't have to live in fear. And I think
that's part of the unlearning is it's so many parts
to all.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, speaking of not living in fear, one of the
major things I believe we're going to have to navigate
as humanity now and going into the future is technology
and how we're utilizing it and AI. But technology is
rapidly evolving and changing, and we have to navigate through

(39:31):
everything right now. I'm very frustrated about people utilizing AI
in the wrong way, put in fake videos for deceptive purposes,
or they just want to get popular or get clicks online.
It's very frustrating when most of the content that I

(39:52):
see online is AI and fake videos and things trying
to be presented as real that is in no way real.
It's really difficult for those that work with video evidence
these days of anything paranormal or UFOs or even normal

(40:13):
things that occur in our lives that are being used
in a deceptive way. It's very frustrating. But what are
your thoughts on navigating rapidly evolving technology.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I'm probably yeah, pretty much similar to you. I recognize
that it has its uses. I mean, we wouldn't be
communicating if it wasn't for technology, and it is being
abused as well and misused and used for all sort
of nefarious purposes, so and AI can be the same.

(40:50):
I am aware it can be helpful. I mean I
do occasionally use use it for sort of research. I'm
not relying on its responses, but to allow it to
be I suppose a really fast access.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
To be honest, most of us on it to a
certain degree.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, So like like a search engine, it can gather
a lot of information for me and provide me with
the sources, you know, the references. So it can be useful.
And and it's a question of helping people to understand
how to use it effectively, to use it effectively and

(41:43):
use it recognize that AI is a tool. We are
the creators. AI cannot create, you know, no matter what
people say, you know, it is not creative. It's it
it's you know, it doesn't have you know, it's not consciousness,
it's not a So but in terms of being able

(42:06):
to determine and well again discern what we're seeing in videos,
if you're looking at research and whether to trust what
you're seeing, that's really tough and that is getting harder.
And there's a lot of fake material. And you know
again as a as a writer that there there are

(42:29):
people who are using AI to write books, and trust me,
they are atrocious. I did actually read one and it
was just so obvious from the first page. It was awful,
absolutely awful. So that that that's you know, that hurts.
And I know it's used in you know, in the
music industry, and you know, I've you know, got musician

(42:52):
friends who you know that that's challenging, well not challenging
them me, and that's yeah, challenging their work. And so
it is, you know, and keep using the word discernment,
but you know, we need discernment to be able to
actually decide what we want to support, what kind of

(43:15):
work we want to support. At the same time, it
does make us realize that we're going to start trusting
ourselves and look at things properly and not just be
drawn into anything that we see. So yes, frustrated, you know,

(43:36):
it is frustrating, and at the same time it can
be useful. So that's I say, where I am. I
know there's a lot of talk about transhumanism. Now from
my perspective again again, my opinion where I am is

(43:58):
this this human form is far more amazing. It's brilliant
than you know, it's underestimated, you know, is one way
of putting it. And so we're made to think, oh,
you know, it's just a bag of chemicals, and you
know it can be fixed by this, that and the other,

(44:20):
and you just have a machine fix this, or you
can have a machine put inside you or whatever it is,
and you can download your consciousness. And that's just so
not in line with how the body actually functions, including
the fact that they the brain does not produce consciousness.

(44:42):
Consciousness is not in the gray matter in our heads.
And that is the basis of the idea that they
can if you're like, you know, download consciousness. They can't
because consciousness does not sit, does not reside in the brain.
Our thoughts, our emotions, our memories don't reside in our brain.
And again this is where we go into things like

(45:05):
sound healing and the biofield because a really good friend
of mine, Aileen me Us, if you know about her,
she's she's the founder of biofield tuning, and it's like,
I don't know, nearly thirty years ago whether she started
with working with tuning forks and recognizing that some people

(45:28):
call the aura, but we have a biofield. That's that
when tuning forks are used within that they can find
that there are blockages and so and different things that
are blockages that can then be attached to something within

(45:49):
the body, So it can be a problem within the
body that can be sensed within the field. So you
know our so our who we are doesn't end at
the end. You know our skin, I think it's toes ahead.
So who we are is beyond this physical skin, and
that already takes us to being rather different from how

(46:13):
we may of it. You know, we are electrical beings,
not bags of chemicals.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Let's get deeper into our hidden human abilities you mentioned earlier.
We are essentially made up of sound and light and
capable of much more than our physical bodies would indicate
that we are. Talk a little bit about some of

(46:39):
the things that you've learned and are starting to uncover
about the capabilities of what we are as.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Humans, well, the abilities I mean, and things like synchro
synchronos it is things like telepathy and if people have
been become.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Have become more aware of what you know the telepathy
tapes a couple of years ago, a few years ago
they came to the fore, and they are mainly about
young people who are given a label of autistic. I
mean they call themselves autists, which is you know, that's fine.

(47:22):
They for the most part and nonverbal, so their ability
to communicate verbally is either limited or just non existent. However,
they can communicate telepathically, and those abilities are becoming more
obvious with people who are you know, some people are
able to communicate with them and have conversations, and there's

(47:44):
so much that we're learning about that. At the same time,
it's not they are special only they can do it.
They are showing us that we can all do that
because they are communicating with their family members in a
way that they weren't. You know that I don't use

(48:06):
the word ordinary, but that you know, their parents are
not trained in sort of telepathy, and yet they are
recognizing that they can communicate with with their children, you know,
and they can understand another. We can see that in
the animal world as well. You know, you can communicate.

(48:28):
There's the work that Rupert Schldreak has done, you know,
with what he calls morphic resonance, dogs who know when
their owners are coming home. Those kinds of things, the
sense of being stared at. So these are these are
abilities that they're not sort of something special that only
some people have. These are abilities we all have, only

(48:54):
we've been indoctrinated out of using them and we haven't
been in courage to use them. And you know, it's
sometimes might take a little bit longer to get them
back online, but that again could be it could be

(49:14):
a bit. I mean some people say, you know, can
take longer, and it's just well if we say, well,
I can do it and be open to then having
the experience of it happening. So yeah, there are non
physical ways of communicating. You know, you can get a
sense of walking into a room as to you know,

(49:37):
other people's energies, you know, so becoming more sensitive to that.
And I don't be sensitive in a soft way, but
in a or an awareness, you know, being having your awareness,
so not always thinking that we've got to use our senses,
as I say, with the five senses, they are useful

(49:58):
to a certain extent, and to be more aware that
there is more to us and to have these to
have opportunities to open up to that. So yes, I
mean light again is also well, it's it's fundamental. I mean,
I don't know if you've gone into that side of things.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
But the.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Anyone who's looked into the original run of you know,
how the germ theory started, you know, with Louis Pasteur.
His contemporary was Professor Antoine Beauchamp, also French, and he
was he was a real scientist and he was looking
at you know, different experiments and looking at matter and

(50:46):
he came to the conclusion that there is a fundamental
living force you know, that are if you like, like light,
little dots of light, and he called them microzimers. You know,
it goes into the work. There was also other researchers

(51:06):
that came that saw these light at these dots of light,
and they gave them slightly different names. So what I
mean it is possible to see them with microscopes and
they're belief to be the as I say, fundamental life

(51:27):
force that it's so it's it is light.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
There are some people who've shown videos of the the
actual moment of conception where you know, there's a burst
of light. I've seen that recently. So if we're looking
at different forms of energy, which is really what everything is.

(51:51):
So again with light and sound, and we know in
the beginning of you know, the Bible the you know,
the creation was through the word, so that sound and
sound and light or electromagnetic in that you know, in
their origin, just just different frequencies of electromagnetism, and so

(52:14):
they're yeah frequencies and it's not about a higher or
lower frequency, but just just different frequencies along along the spectrum.
So this is more supportive evidence of everything being energy,
if you like. So we are energy rather than chemical,

(52:40):
even though to a certain extent there are chemicals. But
the more we're looking at that side of how the
body actually works, you know, the chemical the idea of
chemical starts to fall apart because there aren't atoms, you know,
there aren't basic atoms in particles. You know, once you

(53:04):
start looking into that scientifically, you realize that there's no
evidence that everything is a particle. That in fact, it's
more waves to everything. You know, we're looking at waves
which are frequencies, which are energetic waves, and so different
frequencies of the waves then become different they manifest as

(53:25):
different matter, different material. So the fundamental form of life,
if you like, is energy. So knowing that, then we
know our body isn't a bag of chemicals, and we
can influence our own body through the energy that we

(53:48):
put into it or give to it, through the sound,
through the words that we use. It starts to give
us a really good idea of how we can and
really take back agency over our own body, our health
and what we're doing in life. And I think that's

(54:08):
why the whole twenty twenty nonsense was good that it
started on the health because it helps us bring that
agency back to our own body. Knowing that the fear,
I mean fear is a particular I suppose a type
of frequency that is jarring for us, So that can

(54:30):
be I mean, it can be used to keep us
in a way of not taking agency so in fear
because that stops us from thinking and acting in a
certain way.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
So it's just seems just as reality has layers to
peel through, so do we as far as our connection
to source our health and wellness. The more we can
shed the nonsense that doesn't benefit us, the anti human

(55:05):
systems put natural things in our body, regain our connection,
the more unhealthy layers we can shed away, which then
gives way to some of those dormant abilities that we
may not have had access to before. The more awareness
people have, it seems the more those layers start to

(55:28):
shed away, at least that's been in my experience, and
the better I feel and so on and so on,
and the more things I can become aware of because
it's not blocked by all the nonsense.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Oh yes, that's the key to start to shed the
layers of conditioning that stop us from recognizing who we
are and what we can do. And so the more
layers that we shed, the more open we are to

(56:02):
new abilities, to trusting ourselves, to hearing our intuition, you know,
to start from that perspective, and it does open open
us up to asking more questions and realizing. And a
lot of people say that you know. Quote that's saying,
the more I know, the more I know nothing. And

(56:25):
it's not that we know nothing. The more I know,
the more I realize there's a lot I still don't know.
And that's which means there is a lot more to learn,
which is exciting. And it is again the indoctrination is
so so clever that it makes people think, well, we
need to know, you know. They they're uncomfortable with the uncertainty,

(56:49):
and the few people want to say I don't know,
you know, and go so what do you mean you
don't know? It's there's a to be comfortable with. I
don't know that at the moment. I might look into that,
you know, but I haven't, so I don't know. And
to say it's so it's okay to say I don't know.

(57:12):
That's what I'm saying. You know, my ideas at the
moment about certain things they may change, because that's the
thing obviously, with wanting to know makes us well, we've
got to be right, and so when you're right, you
then don't want to let go of that because it
makes you think you're wrong. Whereas it's no more. That's

(57:33):
what I thought then, and I'm not so sure now
because here's some more information that makes me think, no,
that doesn't make sense anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Unfortunately, much of our scientific and even medical field holds
that perspective that they have to be right, and they
don't accept any new perspectives. They keep the information. There's
plenty of lay to that to peel through as well.
That's a whole nother episode. But for the last few minutes,

(58:06):
is there anything that we haven't covered that you'd like
to share with the audience or close out on?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
I I like to help people recognize that, you know,
let's just say it's okay to say I don't know,
and to recognize that, you know, they may have some
limiting beliefs about what life is, who they are, and

(58:42):
it's I don't know, we're we're in we're certainly in
strange times, whether a lot of people thinking that, you know,
having certain ideas, and to recognize that that's as they're
peeling back the layers they may have, you know, like
with an onion, they may have shed the first couple
of layers. But to say, well, maybe you haven't shared

(59:05):
all of them, and so you know, keep going. And
it's not to say, you know, to always keep going,
because I mean that you know, this is there's something
we want to feel that we're on a certain place
before we take the next step, because it can be
overwhelming to keep going, keep going, keep adding more information,

(59:26):
and at the same time to recognize that you're not
necessarily at a fixed place just because of where you are,
because there's so many different ideas. So our beliefs can
trap us into thinking we know something, but it's not
just it's that balance of do I know, you know?

(59:47):
How do we know what we know? And to as
sometimes be open to questioning, keep asking questions, which is
you know, like you say, with the medical system, it's
like not allowed to ask questions. Well, this is what
happened in twenty twenty has shown us that, you know,
this is the time to ask questions. So yeah, as

(01:00:09):
keep asking questions, keep being curious. Two, And to be
aware of just how you know incredible this experience is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I think something important you said is to be okay
with not having the answers and not knowing some of
these things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It's all right, m.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yes, yeah, I think that's possibly one of the hardest
parts because you know, this whole indoctrination system they call
schooling teaches children you know, you've got to know the
right answer, and if you know and you get told
off for having the wrong answer, you go, well, it's
not about right and wrong. It's a question where are
you what you think? And to say it's okay that

(01:00:55):
you don't know, and to be absolutely comfortable with that
and know that well that today, next week I may
find the answer, but right now I you know. And
also to be open to learning, as you say, the
being open allows all these other ideas to come in.

(01:01:15):
Whereas if you're closed, you're not going to look at
any other information, and so you're going to stay closed
because you're not even open to something else, and that
can close us off from all these other abilities. So
and it's it's harder. As I say, I know, there's
there's so much of what's going on that it is unsettling.

(01:01:42):
And at the same time it is helping us to
shed all our old ideas and to feel okay with
shedding those old ideas, you know, because I think at
the beginning, once you start going down these different rabbit
holes people, it can be quite scaring. You think, well,
everything I thought i'd you is wrong, and it leads
you very confused, and it can be really quite emotional,

(01:02:09):
quite tough to think, well, not to know anything and
what is this and what's going on? It can be
quite scary, which is probably the time to slow down
with all the investigation. And it's not Also, it's not
necessary to go down every rabbit hole. I think it's
to choose what interests you and to be curious and

(01:02:35):
to be open and curious and not to think, oh,
I've got to know this, I've got to look at this,
I've got to find out, you know that that pressure
that helps to build up the overwhelm and then and
then you don't function at all. So yeah, it's it
can be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
It's learning to, as I say, learning to trust ourselves
and be open to the wonder of you know, the mystery,
and stay and stay okay with the mystery. Yeah, some
of these things will remain mysterious. There are some things
we'll never know, I'm sure. Do we need to know?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
No, not necessarily. I think it's okay to be comfortable
where you're at with your understanding of things. As long
as you are doing what you feel you should be
doing in your life and expressing empathy and love. I
think that's all we really need.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
To navigate through here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
But down. Thank you so much. This was great information.
Before I let you go, remind the audience how they
can find out more about you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Oh right, thank you. Yes, my I suppose a vast
majority of my work is on substack. That's Dawn Leicester
dot substack dot com. It's on the Dawn's Writings where
I also have a podcast called Dawn of Discernment. So
that's why I've used that word a couple of times.

(01:04:08):
I am on Facebook, I am on Instagram, and i'm
sort of you know, the substackt's the main place to
fire me where I've been on their writing for that
three and a half years now, so quite a lot
of articles, mainly on the topic of health. But that's

(01:04:29):
because it's so important for people to understand how they're
being made to be fearful of invisible enemies that have
never been proven to make us ill. And you know,
there are attempts to keep ramping up the fear mongering
with all sorts of other things that could be going
on another so called pandemics and all the different things

(01:04:53):
that they want us to use and be injected with
to that they just you know, they aren't what we've
been told. So again, this is the confidence to take out,
take an agency back to ourselves. But as I say, so, yeah,

(01:05:14):
as I say, that's where I am at the moment.
I'm I've got, you know, kind of other ideas and
different projects in the pipeline, but nothing nothing concrete at
the moment. And yeah, and as for learning, I think
if there's nothing new to learn, then what are we

(01:05:34):
going to do with life? You know? I think, you know,
as long as there's something new to keep learning. Then
there's you know, something exciting, and there's something that you
know that's that's what this I think part of this,
this experiences is to learn and to grow and to
develop and to evolve, to learn what we can do

(01:05:56):
and to put it into action and to be and
as you say, the core, the core energy is from love.
So if you are working from that fundamental with that
fundamental energy, then what you're going to be putting out
is going to be amazing, excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Dawn, Thank you again. We will be doing this in
the future. Love to talk more and until next time, everyone,
have a wonderful evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
We'll see all then.

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