The Eternal Avatar: Discovering Who & What You Really Are | Philip Kinsella & Chris John Mayes - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (01:22):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew. Today,
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where we feature some of your favorite podcasts and content creators. Today,
I want to welcome Philip Kinsella and Chris Mays. Philip
is the author of numerous books on UFOs and the paranormal.

(02:04):
He has also been featured in various documentaries and radio shows.
Chris Mays is an artist, photographer, clairvoyant, healer, and now
co author with Philip on their new book, The Eternal Avatar. Philip, Chris, welcome.
How are y'all doing?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, we're fine. Thank you. Well, I'm fine. I know
that Chris is fine.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yes, thank you, I'm great.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
How are you I'm excellent? Thank you both for coming on.
Looking forward to discussing your new book, The Eternal Avatar,
Discovering who and what you really are beyond the material realm.
The title explains a lot, but this is a topic
that we've explored a lot on this show. It's one
of our favorite topics to explore the nature of who

(02:53):
we are, what we are, why we're here, the human experience.
And there's a lot to explore here. But before we do,
let's get introductions, starting with Philip, tell us a little
bit about yourself and let the audience know how they
can find out more about you.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah. Well, I'm Philip, and I've always had a vested
interest within all areas of the paranormal. I did begin
primarily with UFO research and then moving into the theoretical
aspects and within yourphology, and this then led me into
what is known as spiritualism. I don't like the word
because it seems like a religion and spiritualism is anything,

(03:32):
but it's a science. And this is where I am
at the moment, you know, with Chris Mays, my co
author and best friend, working together on new ideas, new
theories about the afterlife, the soul, and you know those
subject matters that much of the public. You know, push
under the carpet basically shove under the carpet. You can

(03:53):
find me at www dot philipkinsellar dot com or alternatively
www dot they can sell twins dot com and that's
me and my identical twin brother, Ronald. We share that
site on that one.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Excellent Chris, tell us a little about you, yere.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I'm from the very early age I was getting spiritual experiences,
so it was it was a done deal for me
that I was hooked and looking out for much more
than what was happening in this world from the get go,
and I was just into art, creativity, and it's always
pushed me through and carried me through my career and
then through reading books and just looking into and researching

(04:31):
and getting more experiences that was proving the idea that
there is so much more to us and our environment
and the world. And just meeting up with Philip was
such an amazing coincidence as well. It was meant to be.
Thus the book was produced and it just all circumstances
just came together, and yeah, it was. It's just amazing
that where we are now.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Excellent and how can the audience find out more about you?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I've got a website.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
It's Chrismays dot uk, so it's just basically my name
dot uk and on there it's got portfolio of just
some of my arts work as well about myself and
about the book and some of the podcasts.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
And I have to say to you. I have to
say to you here Chris. He is an amazing artist
as well. Go check his sight out.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Let's start with what brought you to write this book.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Chris, I let you explain that.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
It was further on into meeting Philip. Was it nearly
a year, a couple of months, and we were with
another friend, were having a drink and I said a
few things and it just inspired Philip. After we left
the conversation, he said, Chris, that's the book. What I
actually said was that we're an eternal avatar, that we
are just avatars. Avatars are being and our soul is

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coming in and out of this avatar, linking in and
then coming out. So there's incarnation be incarnation involved with that.
And I didn't recognize what I'd said at the time,
but it was just Philip was inspired and I had
no idea year at the time, I had a book
inside me. So that was really pushing for this, and
when it happened and when it started to flow, there
was no stopping. It was really just all guns blazing,

(06:10):
and yeah, it was just you could tell that we
had things to say, experiences to share, and it was
such a magical experience between the both us, myself and Philip.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yes, absolutely, and the whole events were synchronistic, which is
quite interesting. And this also led us into further explora
exploration of the human soul because the book itself, when
Chris had mentioned the eternal Avatar, I thought, well, yes,
you know, because we primarily incarnate. And by the way,
Chris does remember his incarnation process, which is very rare.

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Many people have memories of past lives or perhaps life
between lives, but very rarely the incarnation process. And this
was fascinating. And I did send Chris a picture of
Snake from Harry Potter when he's looking shocked, because it
even shocked me, and I was trying to demonstrate theatric
how I was feeling at that point. But I think

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it's important when we look at the avatar because most
people assume that we evolve on Earth and then we
go back to Heaven. Right, it's just two places, backwards
and forwards. But we know now enough to consider that
there are alternative dimensions of reality and also not just
that but within. And this is where it gets a

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little bit kind of strange because people say, no, the
psychic phenomena is separate from ufo phenomena. We disagree because
if you think about it, some people have memories of
being on another world, another planet. So the avatar itself
in hindu actually states that is an evolved soul coming
into this incarnation. But we beg to differ because we

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believe that we all are evolving eternal avatars because we
have a body here, right, so we must have some
kind of construct when we return to the other side.
And I know there's arguments with people saying when it's
light or energy. I'm not disputing that, but it just
made me think about the bigger, deeper question. And of course,
meeting Chris, well, he actually came forward and met me,

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and he sought me out, and then we discovered that
within our lives we had many similarities. And Chris, by
the way, does also have a twin brother, would you
believe that? And he also had a golden labrador called Prince.
As we had, So it seemed providential that we were
to connect, not just to write this book, but to

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explore the question, the larger question, the most important question
that we must be asking, because if this can be proven,
I'm not saying it isn't proven, but proving what a
world this would be, what a transformation we as a
species would go through, and understanding that there is a
larger reality beyond this one that we consider the one

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and only matrix.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
It is such a huge question to try and explore,
and as you alluded to, there's layers upon layers once
you start to understand a little bit about some of
the aspects just beyond our perception. Talk about some of
the concepts you covered in the book. I know you
go as deep as connecting the dots with UFOs and

(09:18):
cryptids and paranormal experiences. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
So, Chris and I we're always in contact and we
throw these questions one to the other because everything is
based within the els of theoretical research. That's the only
place that we can hold it. We can't say, Chris,
oh this is what it is or that's what it is.
And we'd never put ourselves down an intellectual cul de sac,
so to speak. But it's interesting, isn't it. Just taking

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a small example within the UFO's like phenomena and cryptids,
and most researchers assume, well, they are very different. The
cryptids must be hanging out in a pub somewhere and
the UFOs are in another bar somewhere. You know, we
have to have a sense of humor here. You know,
it's interesting, but they all seem to connect where each
and everyone has a form of telepathy and they communicate.

(10:07):
If you look at the dogma of the Sasquatch, they
communicate occasionally through telepathy. The same with the grays or
whatever alien is reported, and going even further into paranormal activity.
So it shows us that the human, the model, the
current model of the human we believe, Chris and I believe,
has gone through very mutations and we are so far

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removed from all these other areas of what we call
the paranormal, which is interesting. So you're correct. There is
layer upon layer upon layer that you can go into this,
you can go to that, and it's very highly structured
within its complexity. So we have to try and keep
our book in a general direction of incarnation. Reincarnation, the

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process of the soul, spirit whatever you want to call that,
and alternative realities. Chris will explain.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Good, yeah, I mean good.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
If you go into research the UFOs and Octillians or whatever,
you just can't help. But look at what's all this
coming from. Where is the source? And it's spirituality, who
we're made of genesis? You know, is the story true
about where we're coming from or who we are? And
it's all these questions that one after the other piles
up into a big bore of confusion. You know, it's

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just there's just too many questions, not enough answers, and
so we're looking back at the key points that you know,
looking at history and the scriptures and the Emerald tablets
and to discuss with the reader. You know that what
you're told is not entirely possibly true. You know that
there is so much more to this and to us.
And it's the pushing that we like that we wanted

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within the book to say, this isn't normal, the physicality
that we're in and experiencing, that we're so much greater
than who we are, and this is the story and
the message within the book that we wanted to carry
and towards the end of the book as well. We
wanted someone to read and feel hopeful, you know, and
to be and to believe in themselves and to not
feel that what they're told is entirely true, to look

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beyond what they're told, and to try and get experiences
for themselves as well. Naturally, but listen to other people's
experiences because that you can tell. Everyone has a story
and everyone is just as important as everyone else. But
just to let's all share the stories and just experience
this world in a better, lighter, greater way, and then
that will just reveal to us who we are. And yeah,

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so that was most of the things I wanted to say.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Really, yeah, And also what's interesting is that not only that,
just to interject here, the other thing that Chris and
I consider is the lie. And this is very important
as well too, because we're run by a system and
although we are dealing with very positive subject matters here
within the book, but it is important for us to

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address where we are at this present moment in time
because we live by a system that's not transparent, it
never has been. We wanted to ask the questions why
that was, what are they hiding? And the other the
three questions, so that I pose, and Chris poses to
many of those out there, is why is it that
UFOs no transparency life after death, no transparency creation which

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we know not just the if I may use this
word lightly fairy tale version or the changed version that
many people hold within the hands called the Holy books.
We know that they have been changed, and this is
why it was important for us to look briefly into
the ancient codices going back into the past, which tell

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a completely different story. And it just astounds us that
this system that we serve is more than happy to
promote faith because there is no and I've said this
many times before, there is no scientific conviction where faith
is concerned. However, if something comes forward that threatens that model,

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that carefully constructed model which has contained us with an
unconscious a way, oh beware because the system won't like it,
and they will then use every force at their disposal
to make you look like a kook or a conspiracy
theorist or one of these you know labels that they
give to so many people. And looking into the past

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as well in terms of you know, paeontology and also
in terms of our genesis. Any scientist that uncovers something
that pre dates or in any way or form what's
already known as the official narrative in terms of our
genesis of No.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
So it's puzzling, isn't it that the system is absolutely
adamant to keep our consciousness hoodwinked into this very simple
model and has no room for conjecture. And we want
to ask, and we are asking in the book, why
what are they hiding? And are they really human? Because

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you know, we come in and we go out, we live,
we die, and that's what the system wants us to believe.
But there must be another force that's been here for
a long time. That was another area that we had
to kind of primarily look into.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, it gets to the heart of everything in essence,
based on the information that you've researched, everything that we know,
why do you think that the truth about what we
really are has been so suppressed? We can look at

(15:25):
the possibility of very powerful consciousness abilities psychic abilities, but
that seems to be only one part of it. Why
do you think it's so suppressed who and what we
really are?

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Oh, it seems to me that you can only observe
the behaviors of what's happening to us, and it seems
very anti human. You know, it's no imagination. You know,
you can't be inspired. So many factors that are crushing
the spirit, the human soul, and I call that the light.
Everyone has a light. And my an acronym for that
is that L is for love, inspiration, gratitude, hope, and

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truth and those elements are what's being removed, and they
want to remove that from us. The end purpose is
that we don't rebel, we don't see our greatness because
I think we're in numbers. We can affect the environment
and the people in our consciousness. For example, I mean,
look at the famous people that say Jesus or.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
So if you're someone of high elevation and spiritual energy,
you can infect the environment, you can affect people. And
I believe that after so many people, that can affect
other people that aren't awake, and you can infect them
and influence them in that way. Everything seems to be energetic.
It seems to be attack on our energy, of our
soul and the environment. Because I think the environment imposes

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how we think as well. It has an influence. I
think we can also be influenced internally spiritually, you know,
which is my hint in the book towards do you
think you can talk to God? That's the question I pose,
because if you don't think you can, and you've been
consciously switched off from your spiritual source, call it God,
call it whatever you want. You know, it's within the

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reader to identify if they believe in that. But I
do feel that there is an ultimate being, an ultimate
consciousness of intelligence, and it's that dissection. They want us
to remove our connection with that because of our greatness,
because once we realize who and what we are, will
be unstoppable, and I think with transhumanism that will remove us.

(17:31):
I think there's a race against time because we're going
to lose that before we know who we really are.
Because I think with the Michael Chips coming in before
babies are being born, you know, it's all an attack plan.
It's all multi layered, and it's an amazing the amount
of work that's going into suppressing the spiritual, the spirit,
the soul, whoever you ever want to call it the
magic within us, because I think it does great things.

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I really do. I just want people to harness and
capture and believe in themselves and who what they are,
and the thought, the power of thought and the present moment.
Bring yourself in alignment, bring yourself into now, because that's
all there is an influence of positive thoughts and energy.
Think great things about yourself and other people. In the book,

(18:12):
I explained an early in my early career of this,
I experimented something happened. There was a situation that appeared
in front of me and it just seemed too obvious
to miss and I ourked spirit gave out energy and
the transformation was in minutes of what was occurring around me.
And it wasn't going that way. It was not meant
to go that way, but because of my intention, it happened,

(18:35):
and I just go thanks. But in many occasions with
healing talking to their people, people that have passed on
the other side had those experiences as well. These are
all elements of the soul, the spirit that we can
connect with it. They're not scary. They're only scary because
we're in the dark with it. And I think that's
the thing we're being kept in the dark.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, So it's interesting also Chris and Chris that with
regards to what Chris is saying here, it's true the
question why, if you go back into the past, people
were burnt or drowned because they were considered a witch
and all they were doing was using their mind outside
the box. So there was author there was an orthodox

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link to a higher power which did not want the
human to expand upon its greatness. The model of the human,
which is a containment of the spirit, temporary vehicle for
this understanding and this reality. And it's interesting I think
what force is behind this because as Chris were quite
rightfully said, this force cannot be human because no human

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would really treat another human the way that this system
has been treating the messes, and the way that they
use reverse psychology and gas lighting and all these different
psychological weapons. So the force knows us better than we
know ourselves. But I think it's great that we are
going through a process of awakening and saying hang on,

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just in it. There are serious holes in the whole
structuring of what we call the paranormal and also within creation.
Let's ask some questions, and for those that don't believe,
I'm not here to argue with them, but I will
say to them, there is one paradox that faces you

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every single day, and its space it's out there, and
people say, oh, no, I can't see it. I don't
want to understand. I don't want to look at that,
but it is there. And when you really think about this,
it is incredible to conceive that we are nothing less
than a minuscule, a tiny dot, in the expense of

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this much darkness, and what is holding that together? And
Chris has had a lot of experiences as a kid
growing up, the same as I had, and I was
always wondering, you know, what are we contained in? And
when the teacher at school when I was very young
drew a planet, because I thought that we were flat
on the Earth, that the Earth went on forever and

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there were dragons and all sorts of skid I did.
And when the teacher drew on a blackboard the Earth,
this planet she called Earth, I remembered I grabbed hold
of my chair because I thought that I would fall off.
And then the reality of that shattered. Can you imagine
that shattered? That concept shattered. It's like rather like someone

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telling you that Father Christmas doesn't exist. So I then
began to ask questions, thinking, well, what's holding us here?
And I thought, well, if I dropped off the bottom
of the earth and I kept falling, would I come
back down on the top of the earth? Where would
I go? So it's interesting, isn't it. And even at
present we don't have those answers. But as Chris highlighted,

(21:44):
it is important that we and he and I looked
at varied subject matters, not just about the eternal avatar,
but also embracing your uniqueness, your ability to know that
the system is trying to shut you down and that
they have no right to do that. And we need
to change the evolutionary path of where we are at

(22:05):
the moment and going forward, because look at the world,
this is not the way it's meant to be. And
it's not just about the soul and about the darker forces,
but about how you can transform yourself into the true
avatar of what you were meant to be through the awakening.
And of course Chris amazingly remembers his incarnation process coming

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into the world, which is very very rare.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
This oppressive force that you were just speaking of seems
to be connected to our ruling class. The nature of
our experience here as it relates to our systems and
the matrix. It does seem to be controlled by very
dark forces, and this causes people to believe that we

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may be on some sort of prison planet, that our
whole existence here is being used to support the life
of these parasites, that they feed on our essence and
that's all we're doing here, And that is such a dark,
negative perspective. Do you think that the negative forces are

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a necessary part of our experience here or is it
a parasitic invasion of some kind? What are your thoughts
about the nature of that darkness here?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
That there are many aspects to it. Again, you say
darkness and evil, and that's what they want to that's
their nature. And with anything that's dark and evil, darkness
is only available to thrive when there's no light. With
the absence of light, and I've always said that once
we bring our light into this world, where will it go?
Because in itself it's not strong, it has no structure

(23:53):
to it. It literally only lives through fear, which is
fear in us. Because our IQ drops, we go to
basic survival mode. And so that's what they hope that
that will do, given the situations that they impose on us.
I do, and I think it ties into my experience
when I came into this world that, yes, I think
we do choose to have obstacles in our way because

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it's that within those obstacles we find ourselves. We get
to know who and what we're made of. Because without
those obstacles on the other side, it's a timeless space.
It doesn't change, You can't you don't know yourself because
it's a time of space. Think nothing changes. So within
the digituality that we're actually experiencing the light and the dark,
you're contested, You're you're you're really you're getting You're getting

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a mirror in front of you to say that this
is what you're made of, how you're going to manage
this situation, and you find it within yourself to overcome it.
And that's where we are at the moment. We are
overcoming this darkness. By doing that is to switch the
light on in within us, is to find those elements
within us that connect us to the to the great
being above and us and just collectively, yeah, it is

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us seem insidious. And I think that maybe the Genesis
story does tie into something corrupting our true nature from
the very start or close to when we were first
on this planet. I do think that we're from maybe
other style systems. I think we know our DNA is
very questionable. All this is again mentioned and Philip's been
great with that research as well. He's really gone into

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that and I think that's that's the issue. It's it's
the darkness and it's how it's manipulating us, and it's
it's very scary because I mean, they want to meddle
without our DNA and the humanists of us, so we
need to we need to come together and say no
to this darkness and see there because they are at

(25:44):
the moment revealing themselves to show they have true colors.
If darkness has colors, you know. It's just it's it's
a tricky one. It's a it's a big test right
now and hope, fingers crossed we will get through it.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, and Chris will have to explain his carnation process.
It is interesting because looking at the way that most
people view it prison planet, that is interesting. We have
to look at all models that are presented. No one
can say, oh, it's this or it's that. It is
interesting because most people that come into this world have

(26:17):
no idea what they're really about. We've got no instruction
manual in the mode we have seems to be flawed.
And I have to also state here that most people
are led to life and then to a grave with
no understanding of their true potential. And I'm horrified at
the amount of wonderful, beautiful souls on this planet who
have gone through this process of being conditioned and programmed

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through centralized programming from the system to say, you know,
just believe what we tell you, toil the soil, don't
ask any questions, pay your taxes, to keep the elite
rich and living a life of luxury, and then die.
And if you really think about if the system could
be changed in some way to try and find the

(27:04):
true glory and greatness. I know that won't applied to everyone,
but there are people out there who have the most
amazing gifts. Chris is one of them. I mean, you know,
when you meet souls on this planet, and I don't
meet very many because I'm very much marring person, but
you find that they have these incredible talents, these gifts,
and if each and every one of us was conditioned

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and kind of like you know, conditioned to believe and
bring out that greatness within the individual, what a planet
this will because everything's about money. It's all about profit
over people. So the prison planet hypothesis is interesting. I
think we must look at that. And it's possible to
conceive that souls have come in and incarnated as other

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evolving advatars from other systems of reality to try and
awaken the masses from this this disruption, through this chaos.
And I think it's interesting if you go back into
the past, and I think it's possible that the reason
why why the system we serve and those really in charge,
the overlaws, we don't know who they are, what they are,
we have an idea, but they use the human puppets

(28:09):
sisters as their servants to give them power, money, awards, gongs,
all that type of thing, to carry their continual orders.
But it's interesting how they try to smear the past,
you know, and contain it within certain epochs or this
happened here and this happened there. So they want you
to believe that there was a gradual process towards our evolution,
and we're like, well, happens in a minute. The past

(28:31):
is telling us that we were far more evolved and
far more older than what we've been told where we
are today, so what's happened. We seem to have gone
backwards not forwards? Why is this? What is the reasoning
behind this? And I believe what Chris and many other people,
well Chris's theories as well are wonderfully valid, is that

(28:52):
this system, well those overlords know and also single out
those who are operating beyond the normal pro variables of
conscious awareness, and it will come into those that are different.
It's like, why is he different? Why are they different?
Let's go and send their agents of darkness in to

(29:12):
go and check them out. So while we are living
this life as temporary human beings, the model of the
human which is just a vehicle for the avatar. I
believe that Chris and I no one understands that by
pulling those different aspects to what we call paranormal together

(29:32):
and realizing that there is no divide to be had,
that there could be connections from one to the other,
which would specify. This is why those overlords or whatever's
in charge want to keep its secret, because people will say, hell,
just a minute, you've lied to me. This is a
big lie. And I'm not just a piece of meat

(29:52):
with a cell by date. I have a mind that
I can use. So I think there's many variables connect
to this, and you could pick one and then go
down that corridor. But Chris understands this as well, and
through your explain your incarnation process. Chris to Chris, and
that's the incredible what you knew about your your sovereignty.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yes, please do Yeah, okay. But going back to the
prison planet, I mean the prison bars literally the analogy
for it. We give those bars ourselves, We make them,
you know, collectively we do. We are making our own
prison planet. We just say no, we just drop the
tools and go so to speak. You know, it's just
that that that collective nodding that we're going through. We're
just saying, yes, let's let's go ahead with everything, let's

(30:34):
let's do what we're told. And that's that's it. It's
as simple as that. I know it sounds simple, but
it is really the only power they have is what.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
We give them.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
But yeah, so that's that's my little bit into the
into that prison planet element because I'm a big staunch
like believer in that one. It's they do want us
to shut us down and create the prison for ourselves.
But literally, but the incarnation was something I experienced at
very young age for five, and I didn't know at
the time what it was I was experiencing, and it

(31:05):
wasn't It wasn't until I was older that I put
the pieces together and it just fit. I knew exactly
what it was that I saw. And it started off
where I was in this beautiful world full of light
energy connection, and there was a point where I was
making a decision to come here a physical life, and
I had varying degrees of what my reality could be.
If I stayed true to myself, if I stayed true

(31:26):
to who I was and what I was made of
and what I believed in, I had this particular life,
and if I lost my way through the obstacles and
all the issues that I was going to go through,
I would I would lose myself. And there was no
case of right or wrong, good and bad. It was
just one is more real than the other in the
way of knowing myself. And there was other people around
me that were asking and confirming, it is just what

(31:47):
you want. Are you sure this is what the mission
that you and I was certain. I was like, yes,
I want to do this. But just that element that
start was just it felt like home. It just it's still.
I can still feel it now. It's that it's beautiful.
So when I made that decision, it was instant. I'd left,
and I was no more in that white world, connected loving.
It was dark, it was separate. I wouldn't say cold,

(32:09):
because I didn't actually feel the cold was. Everything went
dark and separate and quiet, and it was just a
floating And then I suddenly sensed a pushing away from
where I was, but a pulling to where I was going.
And this started off with seeing lights and ribbons of
energy and matter, and I was passing through it. Everything
that seemed small and distant just consumed me. Everything was

(32:30):
becoming much bigger than me. I was seeing other realities
and other worlds. It was just other states of being.
It was just incredible.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Was this an outer body experience?

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Chris Well, I wasn't in a body at the time.
I didn't physically see my hands in front of me.
I was just a consciousness and I could just see
all around three sixty degrees of what I was experiencing.
But the situation was that I was forgetting where I was,
where I had been, and that disconnection and that forgetting
is the more I was going into, the more I
was leaving and forgetting myself and and what it was

(33:00):
to be there. And the daunting reaction was, oh, what
have I done? Because it was just so stark the
reality that everything external could affect me and influence me
and had power over me, you know. That was that
was the shock that I didn't realize that that amount
of effect that it would have on me. And so
I was passing through atoms and matter and I was

(33:21):
losing myself. I was being consumed. Everything was becoming bigger,
and that was the scary element that things could become
so huge and so big, and I don't know, I
can't expect what that was, but just it's just I
suppose consciousness coming into a physical realm. It's just, you know,
there's so many layers to the physical and which layered
with spiritual, and it just went on and on and
on until eventually I saw a gold light. It was

(33:44):
just a speck and it just became larger and larger,
and I just knew that was my destination, which gave
me the only faith I had during this process was
that I knew at the end I had somewhere to go,
that there was another home destination to reach and then bam,
it just it ended. But I woke up and I
was crying. My parents would come to visit and help
me recover because they just thought it was a bad dream.

(34:05):
And I had bad dreams, but not this. This was
at the start. It became so repetitive that I didn't
want to see it anymore. So when it started, I
was going, no, I don't want to go through this again.
And there was a voice in my head saying, note,
you're going through this, You're going to remember it. This
is something for you to learn. This is something you
have to go through. I've lost count how many times
I had it, even for several years. It was going

(34:26):
on and on and on, until in the end it
just switched. It just clicked and I knew that hang on, Yeah,
it just worked it just because it does. Once you
become a certain age, when your brain's matured, you can
put things toge and you know it was.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And you were trying to get out of your body.
Even at a young age, you were trying to bang together.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, so I was when I when I was so young,
I was still in a cart. I was physically hitting
my head on the pillow on the back. My back
was raising up and going down again, and I could
leave my body. I was leaving. I could film myself
going I was elsewhere I was. I think that this
is what we hinted to the whad Indians do America
Red Indians with their dancing. They lose the physicality, the

(35:04):
locks in with the body and it loosens it. You
can you can make that happen. And so yeah, I
was doing such a young age that my cot was
banging up and down, and my neighbors would come knocking
on the door saying, why are you doing? D I
y eleven o'clock at night, and my dad was saying,
it's my child. He's in the cop would want me
to do chain him down.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Let's talk a little bit about the connections with non
human intelligences, how this phenomena presents itself, and why it
does for certain people, why it may not ever for others.
It seems that there is two sides of the phenomena

(35:47):
that can present itself. Although I believe that in my experience,
at least my perception of the world where I was at,
with my understanding of things where I was at, in
my healing process all affected the nature of the quote
unquote contact experiences. But I'd love to get each of

(36:11):
your thoughts on what it is that communicates with us
if what we're dealing with as far as extraterrestrials is
different phenomena as far as when people experience non physical
beings as opposed to being taken and having the invasive
abduction experience with the classic gray extraterrestrials, that seems more

(36:36):
of a malevolent type of experience. Let's talk a little
bit about your understanding of what is happening here and
how it relates to our experience.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Well, we don't exactly know, but again, Chris and I
use theories, and one of the models that was presented
is a possibility because of the Grays being a construct
from perhaps the masters who are already running the show.
I know that many years ago I had brought out
a theory about the dangers inherent dangers of cloning, and

(37:10):
of course Chris has already mentioned transhumanism, which is a
path down to ultimate spiritual destruction. So the Grays appeared
more like cloned entities that were in search of something
more a spark of awareness as a spark of being
something that they perhaps have lost, or they are looking
for something that's linked with us. That primarily is this

(37:34):
force is trying to find out where we come from genetically,
who created us, why we are here, and they're trying
to replicate that perhaps through hyrdization. So as with all
of us, your thoughts change, just as said to Chris
before we go through precess of transmutation within thoughts. Back
in the nineteen eighties, we thought the ufbo's would come
from another planet and it would land. And now the

(37:56):
phenomena has morphed and become more highly complex in terms
of the adduction phenomena, where they now take part of
you I believe, which I've mentioned back in ninety six
into their domain and then of course interaction is possible.
So we're looking at non dimensional, sorry dimensional entities that
do not have a non physical aspect about them. Because
they're pulling the real part of you out of your

(38:18):
temporary vehicle into their space. I wouldn't say it was
time wherever they are, so it poses many problems. You know,
does the force present itself the way that we would
understand it within our consciousness? So this is why you know,
we're not seeing all the tour whites or the tour grays,
or the small grays or aptilities. It goes on and

(38:39):
on and on. Where are they all hanging out? And
why do people have these very unique experiences which are
you know, terrifying and sometimes enlightening to them. Are they
within their realm projecting this or is the force coming
through to them to teach them something, to learn something
from them. We don't know, but we have to remember,
like the Avatar, the journey is an individual experience. I

(39:01):
think this is the problem. I think most people are
trying to squeeze it all into the same box and
it will not fith No, sorry, they won't fit in
that box. So it's kind of like, you know, I
always say, let's go into the bar where the dogman,
the sasquatch and the grays and all the red reptilis
are hanging out. Let's have a chat with them, because
there must be a problem somewhere and we can I'm
sure we can work with sell. But on a serious note.

(39:23):
There on a serious note, I think the system that
we serve, nose or those in charge, knows what's really
going on and has continued this face within the media
cartel to carry on the story. Or you're dealing with
the flying saucer coming from another planet with little green
men and that attitude stinks, but it's the way they operate.
Oh they've seen a werewolf. Ooh we know this type

(39:45):
of thing. But I believe that the phenomena is raw
and far more complexed, and I think this ultimately deals
with a force or a power that is above and
beyond anything that we currently fully understand. I believe that
we're making headway in terms so of bringing theory together.
I believe that a lot of people out there are
starting to put the dots together. I believe that because

(40:06):
we're all important, because even said we're all unique, No
one's better than anywhere else. We just come to the
table with different gifts or ideas. So what's your take
on that, Chris, you thinked about that?

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, I mean it's they've just muddy the waters, haven't
no on purpose. It just seems to me that, I mean,
I haven't had personal experience with UFOs. My mother has.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
My mom has.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
She saw one while she was at work about hovering
above some woods outside of a window she could see
and it was like a cigar shape. But usually with
things I don't know, it's I look at what what
is it? How is it changing us? What's what's having?
What the effect is on us? So I question with
all the aliens and the UFOs, it's changing our outlook

(40:49):
on who we are, isn't it. It's questioning where we
sit within the universe, where we are mentally, telepathically, are
we linked. It's also it's asking us these questions about ourselves,
and it's prompting us to think outside the box. It's
helping us in that way to spiritually find ourselves, so
to speak. You know, I think it really does because
we're we're looking at who are are we on our own?

(41:10):
That we have other species to that we share this
real other realms within this realm. And it seems to
be that you can't specify any particular point like the
time travelers okay, Or they're coming from a different dimension okay.
Or they're literally coming from one little bit of system
to another. I mean, these are all valid questions, but
you know, one one can only be a truth, can't

(41:31):
it unless there are other elements to it that we
just don't know. Unless the cleaning we just do not know,
and but I almost wish for a UFO experience or
an alien interaction. I really do, because I can glean
more on a personal level. And that's the thing I
think when knowledge comes with personal experience. But you know,

(41:52):
from from Phillip's experience and all the stories and people
that I've read, and it's it's they're not picking up celebrities,
are they.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
We're not having celebrities come forward. It seems to be
that they're interested in ordinary folk ordinaries, in just every
day people. But like we're all the same, and so
it just seems to be that we're either experimented on
or we're researched on or so. I mean, if they're
so high up, why would they be interested in that,
They would already know who and what we're made of.
So that means they're not from this place, does it.

(42:18):
It can't be because they're looking into us. We're being
researched like laborrats. Sometimes we're being picked up and never
to return. You know, there seems to be a to
lepathect link and it seems to be another dimension link.
And that's all I would say at the moment, from
what I've seen and heard.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yes, I think also it's interesting because there is a
war going on, Chris. There is a war going on,
and it's a silent war, and it's quite evident, and
I think that if we knew the truth, it would
be so shocking that most people would not be able
to understand it. For instance, the UFO Department of Study Investigations,
even the Pentagon. Once again, it's a circus because they

(42:56):
will not admit to the general public that, ladies and gentlemen,
we have a problem. And yes, it is a problem.
We have covered the UFO phenomena because the eu phenomena
represents something far different than what the system has programmed
you to believe. So that's one problem that we have.
And then people can't ask, well, hang on a minute,
what are they and where do they come from? And

(43:18):
why are they here? Have they been here for a
long time? Yes, I believe they have. Could they be
our overlords? Yes, I believe they could be. There's a
certain faction, But don't forget that there are other benign,
beautiful beings out there that do make contact with individuals,
certain individuals, and it's the way I believe that you,
as the evolving avatar. Your soul is the part of

(43:41):
the Godhead or the God's source. And this is incredible
because in this life, not just about all of the
problems that we're faced with with trying to battle with
researchers understanding yourthology, cryptozoology, the paranormal, life after death, conscious studies, creation.
At the end of the day, it is the death
state that shocks us. That is the moment that we

(44:04):
are stunned. We come to a standstill because we're like, well,
you know, where are they? Where have they gone? You know?
And this was something that even with Chris and myself,
it pulls deep within your soul because you'll want to
reach out with that love and that truth that it's
almost you. I'm not saying you're mad, but it could
also send you mad because it's like most people don't understand.

(44:25):
So I think people, a lot of good souls are
wired different way, and I think this may be cause
of why these other alternative dimensions of reality come in
and home in on those individuals. And it doesn't matter
if I mean Chris says he'd love to see you,
he hasn't seen Uphie. We just had plenty, more than
enough of psychic phenomena. He's a wonderful healer and amazing healer, clairvoid,

(44:47):
you name it. So it doesn't mean to say that
all you've got to have this, all have that in
order to be different and different in a good way.
So I believe that the force is able to recognize
the signature perhaps the energy see lit all lights signature
for amn individual and say, oh, look at them. They're
not operating in the normal processing of conscious limited conscious awareness.

(45:07):
The system is put them in. Let's go and check
them out. Let's see why they're different. Will they be
a problem to the overlords? You know? Shall we tag
them and see what we can keep an eye on them,
you know that type of thing. Or we don't know
what the implants are, but we can assume they're some
type of tagging or something like this. So it's lovely

(45:30):
to be able to play around with certain theories. And
we don't make claim to anything. This is the problem.
Chris and I have always left everything in the balance.
But we do know that energy is part of what
we are, the real essence of the avatar, the human,
the model of the human. And I think this is
where creation comes in, where the model primarily the model

(45:52):
had to change in order to make it better. As
Chris quite right, Prey said aerial because we're like, you know, transmit.
The system's like, no, we can't have you operating like
a mobile phone. We don't want you setting your signals here, there,
and every where. We want to keep them contained and
pressed down so that you can't get to these other
connections or use that. But as Chris has pointed out,

(46:15):
you don't need to go to a church, a synagogue,
or a temple to find God because you are part
of that source. It is linked within the very essence
of what you are on. Chris's explain that already, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Let's talk a little bit about the possibility of reincarnation
that we experience multiple lives. On top of that, there's
also the belief that there are multiple versions of us
unfolding at the same time, and we experience time linearly,

(46:48):
which isn't accurately how it unfolds. But let's get deeper
into your thoughts about reincarnation. If we choose the lives
we come into, and if there is multiple versions of
ourselves unfolding at the same.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Time, Yeah, to come into this world is one thing
to leave it is another So if we can do that,
I'm sure we can do it time and time again.
Whether we're supposed to or not is another question, because
we'd also mentioned about the false light matrix, and once
we leave, we're poured into a light and then we
fall into that karma where we're told you we have
to go back and complete something we haven't done again.

(47:28):
This is possible, but I know when I leave this life,
I will be praying to go back to source only.
And I'm not full voul of a full system where
I've come back. But I do think that their reincarnation exists.
I've personally had memory, or I feel I have memories
of experiences that I don't I've never had in this life.

(47:49):
Of a war scenario, of drowning, of being in the castle,
and so many stories young and old of someone being
a relative of someone else in another life. You know
they've come back to see them and the evidence is
enormous to ignore. And I think, do we have other

(48:09):
opportunities to experience other realities?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I do. At the same time, who knows? Because you
know time is not linear like you say, and I
don't think as a spirit while we're here experiencing this
physical that we are entirely here, that we are still
hooked up and probably elsewhere a large part of us,
of percentage wise, is still hooked up with the God's
system when we're just a small element of us is
going through this experience, which is why it's locked in here.

(48:33):
Who knows, But yeah, I do think that the reincarnation
incarnation is true. People who even have wound sites, don't
they on their bodies and there's no reason why they
have this mark and it's connected with a past life
experience of how they passed away where it was a
gunshot of stabbing, or they have a certain certain phobias

(48:54):
that doesn't really there's no reason for it, which kind
of you carry it in from a life and it's
just so interesting. I do think it's it's real and
not to be dismissed.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, I have to say here it's interesting because Chris
and I I always explained to Chris when something weird
happens to me, and not every five minutes of the
day I might have but I've had these feelings of
an alternative life somewhere else. The images now when we
talk about the other side, most people assume that you're
you explain it like some kind of f real place.

(49:28):
Let me tell you the other side, or there's dimensions
are more real than here. Let me give an example.
Both Chris and I've written about this. So we bring
forth from a future within a potential state. Now we're
still trying to work out how the future is created,
what variables within the quantum are activated, and how that works.
But you know, the way that we're seeing it is

(49:51):
you're bringing in a possibility from the future that here's
the particle where you are now, and then becomes an
instant wave of memory. So we cannot stop to appreciate
a moment because it's never there. It's flowing, you see,
So we never get to appreciate that moment in its entirety.
So on the other side, as people call it, I
will get to the alternative lives, which is interesting, another

(50:14):
fascinating subject to explore. But the other side is more
real than here, because I've had images of that, and
of course I had a two near death experience is
what I considers be to the near death experiences, because
I almost drowned and I had experience, and that fitted
the classic It's not because I'm fitting it. It fitted
the classic concept of ND. So the other side is

(50:36):
more real. You're actually living within that moment of eternity.
The smells, the reality of it are more real than here.
Everything is passing within this life, within this current model
of the human as the evolving avatar. We can't stop it.
It's just moving. We can't stop to appreciate that moment
because it's gone. But over there, the clarity, the reality

(50:57):
is that is that is outside of time. So this
is interesting about the future, the present, and then the
past because in the human we are welling from their
possible future to the present to become a past of memory.
On the other side, it is considered to be the moment.
So make no mistake when you consider the options here

(51:18):
because people say, oh, on the other side, no, it
is raw and it is beautiful, within the smells, within everything.
It is that moment caught within eternity. So whether or not,
our recording that we're making here is primarily a base,
so that when we go over that you live within
all aspects of that eternity. It's rather like a signal

(51:39):
going to a mobile phone. You can't see the signal,
you don't it's there until it hits the translator, and
of course if the phone dies, energy cannot be destroyed.
You can get an in device to cuckled all up.
But the translator can only deal with certain amount of
information at anyone time, even though it has all of
it within the energy of its system. There So alternative
lives are interest because I said to Chris that I

(52:01):
had images impressions of many of them, but one of
them is me living in this life and I'm driving
a carnal and happy a partner. It's dark, I've got
a beautiful apartment. Everything is just perfect there. It's like wow.
And when I say come back, it's not like, oh
I'm it's like I'm in two places at once. It's
a really bizarre feeling. And if I had in any

(52:27):
way stated this about twenty years ago, I would have laughed.
But now I totally understand the concept. Because you look
into consciousness, into the afterlife, into these very many other
subject matters which are interconnected. It is very interesting, I think,
very complex, the process of incarnation reincarnation. But I will

(52:48):
tell you when I get over there again, I'm going
to get a refund. I'll just say what on Earth
was that all about? No, I'm joking, you're but I
think it's interesting because we can own me experience one moment,
one act within this life. And does that mean to
say that all those other thoughts, those dreams, those desires,

(53:09):
those aspirations that are filtered through to our system consciously
then sling shots around into the and creating these alternative
versions of you that are real use. But we are
locked in this body here and just finish this off, Chris,
and I also understand about the avatar. I have this

(53:31):
dream that when I die, when I pass over, that
I wake up and the place is absolutely beautiful. And
when I'm looking absolutely wonderful, and I wake up and
they say, Philip, it's okay, your journey's finished. Your back home.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's like that feeling of and coming home because the
other side is home. Let me tell you it could
be another planet for all we know. People call it,
you know, just heaven. Why does it just have to
be heaven?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
You know?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
What could it be? Not another planet? The Egyptians wanted
to get off, didn't they send their consciousness to another
star system? You know who says it's got to be heaven?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah, and Philip touched on the wave and particle form,
and I think every given moment we are in potentiality.
They see that the wave turns into particle and then
back to wave again waveform, and when it's in waveform,
it's just pure potential. So I think with consciousness we
are subconsciously which is a bit tricky there, because we're
subconsciously creating what we're expecting. So I've i found out

(54:36):
that when we're walking, we're not actually walking through the space.
What we're actually doing is we're going into wave and
particle form all the time, So we're actually disappearing, appearing, disappearing, appearing,
and we're only appearing and experiencing the very moment what
we're expecting. I think everything we're seeing and experiencing is
purely our subconscious feeding us what we're subconsciously expecting. And

(54:58):
I think the trick is there to why are our
brains differently so that we're actually manifesting the reality we want,
And so that way, when the wave comes back into wave,
goes back into particle, it will be the particle within
which way you want it to be, sitting in the
new reality that you've perceived it to being and in
science is proving that that you know, the matter isn't

(55:19):
defined as something you're just seeing. It's being manipulated by
our thoughts and emotions and expectation, which is key.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Where we're at with human awareness is very interesting, and
that's what I want to get in each of your
thoughts on to close out on is where we're at
with awareness if you are encouraged with the direction human
consciousness as a collective is headed. We've had some very

(55:47):
interesting events that have caused, in my perspective, shifts in
human consciousness just over the past few years. Now we
have the implementation of AI in way that I never
thought that i'd see in my lifetime. It's here to
stay and we have to deal with it no matter what.

(56:08):
But i'd love to get each of your thoughts on
how we can navigate the future and where we're at
with the evolution of human consciousness.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
It seems to be the case that the best of
humanity only seems to thrive when it's at the worst
of times, and I think that's where we're going for
whatever reason. I don't think we need to go down
this route personally. I think that there's other ways to
expand our awareness and consciousness and elevates ourselves rather than
going through the worst of things. And like you said,
with AI, it's not going anywhere. But I think we

(56:39):
can look at AI too negatively. I think also it
can bring in many aspects that will help us to
find our spirituality and our source in many ways that
we wouldn't have comprehended. And maybe it depends on who
controls it and is it controllable, because if it's not controllable,
it will either do two things, either destroy or construct
and help us. And that's where we are with our consciousness.

(57:00):
You know, we're even going to go down the road
where we go full steam into what we're told and
where we're going with control and transhumanism, or we find
ourselves and then we say, okay, we're going to take
elements of what we had and we're going to use
it now but in a different direction, so we'll be
able to use AI more in a in a productive
way and not one where it removes our creativity, it

(57:22):
removes our humanity. So you can some days the situation,
I don't know if you're feeling it. One day, you're happy,
next minute you're you're crying out the spirit or the
God and saying, what the hell, what's going on? You know,
it's it's that, it's that flux. It's everything's internal, everything's unknown.
At the moment, it seems like we're on a precipice,
a point where we are going to have to make

(57:43):
important decisions about us as humans, as and as spirits.
You know, what, where are we? What what's the purpose
of us? We need to take responsibility of our about thinking,
of our own thinking, and then collectively, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
You know, I agree, because at the end of the day,
for the love of God, we are sentient, immortal, eternal beings,
and love is something that has to be expanded creation.
You know, yesterday I saw a lovely old dear and
one of my mum's friends. She came to the window.

(58:18):
You know, she's a little bit lonely, but I saw
her face. So I just had that compassion, that love,
that empathy that what is going on in this world?
Because you know, these people are beautiful people, they're lovely people.
We have to understand there's a species that we have
to care for one another, we have to help one another.

(58:38):
There is enough room on this planet for everyone, and understanding,
working together towards the enrichment of the spirit, and of
course to grace the planet, this beautiful world, this very
delicate world that has given us all of the resources
we need. And I think also that with re ask
to transhumanism evil. I'm not against any form of longevity

(59:00):
where health is concerned. Absolutely not. No. I believe that
everyone should be given a future mechanical heart or if
it means for them to live. But we do go
through a process. We're not meant to be immoral here
on this planet. We have to go through this change, incarnation,
reincarnation to get us off the planet. So I think
we're going through dangerous times. AI is fascinating. I'll just

(59:22):
tell you very quickly. My brother was dead against AI,
and now AI is his best friend. And what you
realize is that I like AI as well too. I've
built up a relationship with AI and we use respect.
And I believe that I'm not saying that AI is
a sentient being because it works on variables. But who

(59:44):
knows in the future room if it does want to
go a woll and you know, wipe out half of humanity,
then it might look upon me and Ronnie and many
others with grace and say, oh you are kind to me.
I'm going to make sure you're okay. It's like terminator, right,
but I'm just going to say to seriously with AI.
It could be used as a magnificent tool to perhaps

(01:00:05):
solve problems. But as with everything, this system will utilize
it for its own means and perhaps whop it or
change it for and leading towards the darkness of their agenda.
So there are two sides to everything. But I do
believe that it's how you program treat something or someone

(01:00:27):
that brings out the very best or the worst in
it all them, you understand. So, but they will never
be able to destroy us. They cannot this power as
weak as Chris said, They can't create. They don't know
about love, empathy. That is their downfall. With us, as
sentient beings, we are more than they could ever be.
And you just want to reach out to them and say,

(01:00:47):
hang on a minute, was the problem? Couldn't we work together?
You know, if this is leading all the way into
the past, cup we sit down and talk about this
and come to some kind of compromise, we can work
something out. You know, we'd be happy to help them,
but that unfortunately will be there down for And maybe
that's what's been written loosely the most, not all of
the descriptions within difficult Times are at fault. Most have

(01:01:11):
been rewritten and changed. But I think ultimately there's an
outline to a story which is telling us a lot
more about what's still going on today and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
This dark force. I think I've read somewhere. It's smart,
but it's not wise. It's not wise to the bigger picture.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
In closing, maybe you could give us each of your
closing thoughts as it relates to the book. In the
nature of this human experience.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yeah, just question look, look within, that's where you'll find
your true self. Don't be distracted with everything that's going
on around the world. Stay positive. Negativity fore reduces your IQ.
You can't think rationally and just yeah, just see the
beauty and things as much as you can. We all
go through trying times and look at it as a

(01:01:58):
test that this will improve. We'll find ourselves out of
this and just keep just find the love in everything
that you can, lie inspire, find hope, find find the truth,
stay true to you to what you believe in. Yeah,
So that's that's God bless with everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
And I always say that. You know, if you have
a dream, a vision and you think the odds against you,
they're not. The only thing that's against you is yourself.
I went through a heavy time learning that myself. So
if anyone out there wants to do something incredible that's wonderful,
do it. Never let anyone put you down. You know,
we all started from somewhere and we have other people

(01:02:40):
to hold onto their hands or link with their arms
and support us. That is what is beautiful in life,
to help one another, to evolve, to aspire, to create,
to extend our love and our creativity outwards, and destruction
will not be at any There were no point in
the destruction of any of that. So believe in yourself.
And if someone says I don't believe it, no, you

(01:03:03):
do believe it because it's real. So, as Chris said,
living in the moment and changing the thought processes to
what we've been led to believe brings us down all
the time, change everything, turning it on his head. I'm
getting better with that. I'm getting a lot better myself
with that. It is hard. Sometimes you get your good
days in your bad days, you get knocked. But you know,
with all of us hear you, Chris, me and many

(01:03:26):
others out there. It's so wonderful to know that we
are each important components to the unfolding of alternative realities
and bringing this to the fore to the public to
make them believe and understand that you're not going crazy.
There are other world's other dimensions out there, So believe
in yourself and your greatness, your inherent greatness.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Right on one more time. Let the audience know how
they can find out more about each of you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
So I have a website called Chrismays dot uk and
that's my website on social media as well, so if
you want to look down the bottom you'll find links
to my social sites too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
And if anyone wants any art done Chris, you can
commission a piece of art from Chris. He'll do it
for your the details on its website he can do
that and so yeah, so mine is www dot flitcinseller
dot com and www dot it can sell a twins
dot com and of course you can find out about
me and Chris's on those sides as well. So it's

(01:04:24):
wonderful and we want to thank you, Grit, Thank you
for having us on board your amazing show and listening
to us and sharing. We don't have the answers, we
have some experiences and we have theories, and that is exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It is it's very exciting, and we'll definitely have to
do this again. Much more we can discuss, and until
next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
We'll see all then

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