The Secret Destiny of America, New Atlantis & Corruption of Secret Societies | Tim Constantine - Forbidden Knowledge News

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I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on. It's not enough to say
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(01:37):
The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
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Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today I want to welcome
Tim Constantine. He is a researcher, amateur historian, and host
of sixth Century podcast. Tim Welcome, How you doing?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Hey, Chris doing great, Happy to be here and happy
to get into whatever we're going to get into tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
So yeah, man, really looking forward to this. I understand
you've been looking into the secret occult history of the
United States, some of the key figures throughout history that
have contributed to the founding of the United States, and
the hidden esoteric ideologies that have shaped society. There is

(03:02):
so many questions that go into this, more questions and
answers than I've ever gotten. And the possibility that the
destiny of this country has been planned for possibly over
a thousand years is fascinating. So lots to get into
here before we do this, your first time on, tell
us a little bit about yourself and let the audience

(03:22):
know how they can find out more.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, thank you, and yeah, you hit on a lot
of good things there that I want to expound on.
But first, Yeah, I'm Tim Constantine. My show is sixth
Sensory Podcast. I have to spell it out because people
get really inventive with that, so it's it's spelled six
like the number six, but not the number six six
Sensory Podcast. I'm on Spotify, YouTube, Apple, Instagram, and Patreon,

(03:51):
and i think, like many people, well maybe I'll go back.
I've always had a fascination with the unknown as far
back as i can remember, and I've always had weird
experiences with that sort of a thing. But like a
lot of people. It was, you know, the pandemic and

(04:11):
twenty twenty and all that. I won't regale everybody. We
were all there, we all went through it. That really
really put me over the edge. And that's how I
got really into this stuff. That's where my podcast was born.
But yeah, it's all this. It's the occult nature of things,
the hidden history, ancient technology, just mystery and history and

(04:34):
everything unknown that I'm all about. I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Man. Well, when it comes to some of the things
that you've been looking into and the secret occult history
of the founding of the United States, how far back
would you go whenever trying to understand the beginnings of
this possible plan for America.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, well, I think it every time I look into it,
it goes back further. But I would go back to
the Greeks. At least Plutarch seemed to be well, they
knew about the Saint Lawrence River. That Plutarch's time is
around seventy a d. And in his writings we find
that they knew about the Great Lakes and in the

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mouth of the Saint Lawrence River, and that you could
come down, and they knew about this magical sort of
unknown land in the Western hemisphere. And of course it's
the Greeks where we get are the baton passing of
the legend of Atlantis. So those two I find that

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those two ideas get kind of pushed together. Sometimes you
have the old empire the past, the old mystical empire
of the past known as Atlantis, and then the philosophical
empire of the future. That a lot of the orders
were seeming like on a trajectory tours. So and you know,

(06:07):
I could break all that down, but I would say
the Greeks, I mean, even the well, you know what,
I think the Phoenicians were over here too, if we're
being honest, and they would have probably been here first.
I've seen a lot of evidence for Egyptians over here
in North America as well, So who really knows how

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far back this goes. The of course, the story we're
told is Columbus, and that's easily easily debunkable these days.
I mean, go no further than the Vikings in around
one thousand a d. If you go up and look
at Newfoundland in an area called Lonsaw Meadows, you can
Wikipedia that one and it'll show you that they were here.

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Well before Columbus.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's most likely that at some point in our ancient past,
possibly many points, they had previous advanced ofations that colonized
here before. And there's more and more evidence of that
coming out based on some of the research that independent
researchers are doing.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, I think I started with
the Greeks. I know, well, I'm well versed in the
Phoenicians and all that, I've really studied that, but I
think I went with Greeks to answer your question first,
just because it's fresh in my mind. I was reading
something earlier today about at Atlanta, the Greek sort of
goddess Huntress of Arcadia, Arcadia being the mountains in Greece,

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and it sounds like Atlanta the city. It's one letter removed,
and you have Atlanta the city, and of course Atlanta's
is on a river and there's some confluence of waterways there.
In Georgia, of course, I found in some of my

(07:55):
research that there's an old city. There was an old
city on the coast of Georgia called Frederica. You can
look that up, but you'll never hear about it in
history class. So all when you put it, when you
start to look at even just dial in on places
in the country. I'm in Tennessee. We've got Sparta, Tennessee.
We've got Athens, Tennessee. We've got a forty nine foot

(08:18):
statue of Athena in Nashville. The Greek influence over here
is crazy. And I've never heard anybody give me a
good reason for why these are named what they're named. Yeah,
and I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I think I just will that's okay for the sake
of this conversation. Because there's so many layers and there's
so much we could get to. Let's stick with some
of the talking points that you sent me. You sent
me a list of very powerful players throughout history that
had influence in the formation of the United States, whether

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they were directly involved or pre planning before. Let's start
with some of those throughout history, Sir Thomas Gate, h
John D. Queen Elizabeth. That might be a good place
to start.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, I think I'll warm up to that because I
want to I want to start with just the overall
order itself. I think, because I think everybody you just
mentioned is in or was a part of the order,
what I call the order with the Capitol, and I
think this is the order that all the others branched
off of. All right, and this goes back to Sumer, Egypt,

(09:31):
you know, uh, the Acadians. It goes all the way
back to the Middle East. But I think you know,
it's passed on like a baton through Phoenicia and through
the Greeks and all that. And I think that I
included on there just to make this point in the
talking points. I think I included the dollar bill decode stuff. Well,

(09:52):
the only reason why I'm bringing that up is because
I think if you look at the dollar bill in
the center, you have the seal. Yeah, everybody knows that
it's got the pyramid in the in the seal, and
you have a phrase there which is norvos orto seiclorum.
That means a new order of the ages. And I
think of that as order with the capital O. I

(10:13):
think they exclusively phrase it that way as a way
of saying, we are the new order, the new occult
empire in town, or the new Babylon, the new Rome
where the new Atlantis. So it's yeah, norvo orto siiclorum.
And I think it's the order encoded itself in that
phrase because they took that from the Romans. It's a
Roman poem about the rain the returning reign of Saturn,

(10:38):
and the poem says they change it says, the great
cycle of the Ages is born anew and for the
Dollar bill they changed Great Cycle to new Order. So
great cycle of the age is born. Great. Wow, just
a tongue tied that. But I think you see what

(10:59):
I'm saying, right, It's like it's a nod to the
order that has been around through the ages. There we go, Hall,
who I've been reading a lot of manly p Hall
called that the Order of the Quest. So I think
there's a long time relationship here with this order and
the running and procurement of government. And and I think
too that there's a congruity of priest craft and state

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craft that they when they formed America, they brought all
that in. And it goes way back to pick your empire,
you know, it's Empire lineage. This order existed throughout time
in the in the Empire lineage. And yeah, a lot
of these names like Elizabeth and Thomas Gates. Thomas Gates

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founded the colony of Jamestown, or at least he was
the governor the first governor of Jamestown, and when you
look into them, there's a there's a milieu there. But
I think what you see is that there's secret society
and government, and there's that connection a lot in this country.
And I think by the time you get to the

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eighteen eighties, you see Bolovatski and Steiner sort of commenting
on that. They said that the eighteen eighties American political system,
the machine of American politics, was almost completely controlled by
the secret societies, to the point where it was eighty
to ninety percent control. Well, that goes back to the

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priest craft of the Egyptians, which Hall wrote about in
secret Teachings, where these shamotic priests learn how to control
large swaths of the populace through propaganda, spellcraft, propaganda control,
population control. And I actually have a quote here from

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I think this might sum it up. This is Hall
quote from anilely pe Hawy says, in Egypt, Greece, India,
and China, the state mysteries came into existence. Orders of
initiated priests philosophers were formed as a sovereign body to instruct, advise,
and direct the rulers of the state. I noticed, he says,

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orders there. I think he's doing that intentionally. So it's
the American secret societies of the late eighteen hundred side,
which has just had a memory of this and that
this was all preserved knowledge held in the lineage of
the older order. And I think that the Templars, the Masons,
the Rosicrucis split off of that older order. Yeah, the

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Templars at eleven hundred, Rosicrucians, what was it, sixteen ten,
Masons in the seventeen hundreds, And these groups didn't simply
appear out of thin air, but they materialized from a
much older order that, like I said before, I think
goes back to Egypt, Babylon, Zoomer. I think all these
other big tall tie by on it. I think a

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lot of these names that we were mentioned a minute ago,
they were just I don't want to call them ponds,
but they were just doing their part for the order.
If you if you follow this as a thought experiment, Okay,
I'm not saying that this is one hundred percent the
way it is, but this is a theory that Hall
put forth, and I think it's a fun thought experiment,

(14:23):
and I think that the more you look into it,
the more you see that. Oh there's there's something here
to this.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Do you think all our modern day secret societies, Masons, Resicrucians,
Templars were all offshoots of this original order that you're
referring to.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think so, yeah, I think so. I think that's yeah,
because if you look at the Templars, that's eleven hundreds
that kicks off with God Free and Hugh to Pains.
I think I got that right, and then they teamed

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up later with Bernard de Clavo. But the Hugh to
Pains and Godfrees, Uh, I'm trying to get their names right.
It's it's Hugh to Pains and Godfrees, Saint Omar. I
think they were in. They were initiated by other cultists,

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so they were brought into this information. They were brought
in by the order. So what I'm saying is like
the first two Templars before they went to Jerusalem, were
initiated in I think it was Istanbul by Greek, by
a Greek order, and it was this older Greek order
that said, here's your mission, Templars. You're now Templars go.

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We're going to get you set up in Jerusalem and
what you're to do is to look for evidence of
our order, going back to Atlantis, going back to Ananochi
times and all that. So that's yes, I think all
this split off of that. And even like Washington, if
you get back to where you know, the creation of

(16:06):
this country. He was a Freemason, of course, I mean
no doubt about that. I mean when you look at
the temple built for Washington overlooking Alexandria, Virginia, like the
eighth Wonder of the world, it just looms over this town.
That isn't a legacy to Christianity. He wasn't a man
of the faith. He was a man of the order.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
When we are talking about the ideologies that have shaped
our country, how close do you think where we're headed
is the original plan for this land, for this country,
and what is really spiritually behind this? Are they just

(16:49):
trying to achieve ultimate power and influence over the rest
of society. Are they trying to trigger some kind of
evolution in humanity? There's many different different theories as to
why they've chosen to do it this way in secrecy,
under the guise of a Christian nation.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, I do think it was under the guys of
Protestant you know, sort of like Protestantism. There was only one,
only one Catholic guy. I think that signed, so it
wasn't the Catholics. And I think that this was their
way of preserving their rights to worship whatever they wanted
to worship. There's a very very pungent thread of goddess

(17:35):
worship when you look into this that these guys all
held to. But to your question to the overall, yeah,
I don't know. I think that this was a I
think they did a good job with putting on us together.
I mean, God blessed the constitution they gave, because yeah,
I don't I don't think it was originally a Christian nation.

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I think that's something that people believe it is now.
But they gay Christians the right to take ownership of it,
I guess, and to we all have the freedom to
worship however we want, even though I think it was
meant for pagan worship to be allowed, you know, and
all that. And I don't know where all this is going.

(18:19):
I think all this was supposed to go to New Atlantis.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
What do you think the idea is for the New Atlantis?
For at least for this group, m H.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
It was a utopian occult empire, a utopian occult philosophical empire.
It was supposed to be the revival of Atlantis, which
is why I think they kept the term Atlantis in
the title, just added new to it. And you know,

(18:55):
going back to this order, if you look at that
book New Atlantis, that was written by Sir Francis Bacon,
who I believe was in the order, and so I
think he was just doing his part. He wrote that book,
and it was talking about, you know, just this the
revival of a utopic That word has gotten sort of

(19:16):
skewed lately. People think of that in a negative light.
I think people associate that with communism. I think it
meant something different to these people. I think it meant
freedom and a land of blessings, the hesperities sort of
a thing. So I think they use utopia differently. I
think it was just let's all work towards this goal

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of this philosophical called empire, where everybody can worship what
they want and we'll have freedom, will be out from
underneath the crown, we'll be out from underneath the church,
and we'll just have overall freedom to do what we want.
And that was the included almost in I think in
Sir Francis Bacon's New to Atlantis, and in one hundred

(19:58):
and fifty years later you see Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, the
guys who started this country all reading that book almost
as if they were playing out a script that was
sort of handed to them esoterically in that book. Yeah,
I mean, you can look at but there's but there's

(20:20):
also like a darker side to this too. I think
once you get to I'll talk about maybe the Vanderbilt
Obelisk a little bit, because that's got some I don't
once you get to some of these Rockefellers and Vanderbilts
and all that, it's it's like the thing got I
don't know. It's like there was like the Star Wars,
like the light side of the Dark. It's like the

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dark Side started.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I have to wonder if there was an infiltration, if
at some point, like you said, the dark side took over.
Maybe originally they did have decent intentions for the outcome
of the United States, but some anti human ideaologies crept
in there, some sort of parasitic influence of some kind.

(21:05):
I'd like to get into that later. You have Steiner
in your talking points I think he gave a great
warning about the future of technology and where that's headed.
But it's very interesting to see where we are now
when looking at the possibilities of the original idea of

(21:25):
where we could have been.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, I think you nailed it when you said parasitic.
I think that there was. It was almost like an
outside alien force that kind of came in. And it's
interesting because a couple of weeks ago, I was reading
this letter that George Washington was writing with a friend.
George was over here, of course, and he's exchanging letters

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with the guy over in Europe, and his friend in Europe,
another man of the Order, was warning Washington. He's like, hey,
have you heard about this Bavarian Illuminati that just popped up?
You know, there are a bunch of godless infidels. What
are we going to do about this? He's and he

(22:10):
started warning George Washington. He was like, these guys might
infiltrate your Masonic Order. What are you going to do
to stop that? And Washington's reply to him a couple
of letters later was well, I've got the situation over
here under control, But I just think it's interesting that

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that was looming over them. In the seventeen seventies, seventeen eighties,
and I have to wonder, like they knew. It's like
they knew that this Bavarian Illuminati was on a on
a crusade to take over governments and politics and occult

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orders everywhere in a very parasitic manner. So I have
to wonder if maybe by the time Washington sort of
passes away, if he wasn't able to maybe he was
able to push them off for a little bit. But
I have to think that they probably if Bil trade
over here at some point, and I think they did

(23:14):
in fil Trick, but Masonic lodges over here, and I
think you see that in Vanderbilt's obenalisk. Yeah, talk a
little bit about just that family. Yeah, okay, so there's
a lot of encryptid meaning to that obelisk. It makes
an alignment. It's it Okay, let me back up. It's
called clear Pastor's Needle. He brought it over It's huge.

(23:36):
But somehow they got it on a boat and they
brought it over here from Egypt and they set it
up in New York City in Central Park. It's part
of the grounds of the met Gala, which we could
you know that'd be a fun I don't know. We
all know how weird that gets these days. So he
but he sets it up in eighteen eighty one, I believe.

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And what we found is that it makes an alignment
with a couple other obelisks in New York. It aligns
with General Worth Square and Saint Paul's Cathedral, mysterious sort
of old church there. And a lot of this is
laid out in American Nation of the Goddess. I want
to shot that book out. But what it does is
it reflects the belt stars of Orion, which is the

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resting place of Osyrus to the Egyptians. It's also reflective
of the eye of Horus aka Alderbaron. And it's where
you get into the ancient Alderbaron star knowledge that I
think the elites used to plan out big events, plan
out the start to company, plan out you know when
the cell, when the byastocks all that, because alder Baron

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star knowledge is like when alder Baron is, how's it
go When it's eclipsed by the moon. That's a bad
time to do big things. When it's over the moon,
that's when you do big things, stage big events. You know,
start the startup that you've been wanting all that. It's

(25:06):
in the nursery rhyme, Hey diddle diddle cat in the
fiddle col jumped over the moon. The cow is tarus
to Cols sort of representative of alder Baron. So there's
and there's also on top of all that, there's association
with the goddess isis So what's the point here? The
point here is that Vanderbilt and his version of Freemasonry

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in the eighteen eighties knew all about Egyptian cosmology and
he was one of these industrialists, robber Baron types. Like
the direction that these guys shifted the country in, especially
the Rockefellers, but the Vanderbilts as well is one of
propaganda and profiting off of everybody else, sort of turning

(25:52):
everybody into these materialist slaves. You know, we're just stuck
in a system. We have to you know, I could
go down a wholerabbit hole that, but anyway, they The
point though, is that they knew Egyptian cosmology and they
were very clued into this stuff, and they don't seem

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to be good guys. The more you study the Vanderbilts,
and I think it's just interesting. You know, you had
the Vanderbilt women at parties dressing up like goddesses holding doves.
Doves is representative of Ishtar and Venus, and like I
said before, there's a very potent goddess thread. They're a
thread of goddess worship here to these people and even

(26:37):
DC this is just a little bit of an occult
decode of the matter. And maybe we can get back
on course with like what it all means in a second.
But you have Washington d C. District of Columbia. Columbia
is Latin for dove. So everywhere you turn, there's there's
goddess worship stuff here as along with along with the
Egyptian cosmology. And you even have what comes to mind

(27:01):
in the moment here is Columbia pictures. They have the
lady that holds up that looks like the Statue of Liberty.
That's all ICE's Ishtar associated symbolism. And that even the
Statue of Liberty was brought over it it was being
built in Egypt as well, like the Obelisk. It came

(27:24):
over from Egypt eventually. Yeah, and so I think you
have a lot of isis in here and just a
lot of old Egyptian stuff and Venus was important to
the Templars, and I could just go on a whole
thing with that. But they the point is like they
knew the knowledge. It's like, what have they done with it?
And were they infiltrated? And I think that yes, I

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think that they were infiltrated, and I think they knew.
This goes almost a step further, a step deeper, and
in aligns with literally aligns with ancient America because that
obelis that Vanderbilt put in also aligns with Castle Clinton.

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It's right on the point of Manhattan, and I looked
into that, and that goes back. I think that goes
back to what we were talking about earlier. Maybe the
Greeks or the Phoenicians came over here and were put
forts over here before Columbus, and somehow Vanderbilt had his

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obelisk aligned with this old star fork called Castle Clinton.
Now if you look into it today, they've built up
on top of that star fork and said that it
was built in the eighteen hundreds by a guy named
Joseph Totten. But that's just a cover story, because so

(28:50):
this is where it gets we go back to, like
where we started this thing with the Ancient America ties.
It's like, how did the occult order that was running
the country in the eighteen eighties know about the occult
word that was here way way, way long time ago.
Putting star forards in New York har brain because Tauton

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was So here's the deal. They said he built that
in it seventeen eighty eight, I think, but he but
that star Fork is on maps from the sixteen hundreds,
early sixteen hundreds, so he couldn't have built it. It
was there before he was born. So they were bringing

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Tatton in to claim that he built ancient sites and
have him built on top of them to cover up
their existence. Almost. And he's also the guy who they
say built that fort Jefferson, the weird fort down in
the Tortugas out in the middle of the ocean. So
there's there are are these older sites over here that

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we don't know they're older because that part's been hidden
from us. But the Vanderbilts knew about it, and the
Rockefellers did as well. They they signed Rockefeller did the
whole what is it, the monetary system, the Federal Reserve,
they did that from Jackal Island that was an ancient

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site that the Tumukua tribe had set up. They had
an altar out there and everything. They were doing what
what we would call worship reminiscent of Canaanite practices. And they,
let's see, Rockefeller and another guy had this they called
it Indian Mound Cabin, and it's allegedly where they signed

(30:37):
the or they had that secret meeting for the Federal Reserve.
And that cabin was built right on top of the
old Tumukua altar. And it's like, I don't think that's
a coincidence. How did they know about it?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, you look at the mounds across the United States.
I featured a bit about it in my moviod Via
called Louisiana had doctor Gregory Ldlan to talk a little
bit about the real possible history of these mounds. He
believes could go back to the times of Atlantis, that
maybe the mound builders were also the precursor builders to

(31:17):
things like the Great Pyramid, and they were part of
this advanced global civilization and the mounds had much deeper
and more profound uses than just burial sites.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Oh. Absolutely. I was reading something the other day about
Casey Edgar Casey talking about that he had a reading.
I don't want to call it a theory, because you know,
we know kind of how he got his information, and
he was, you know, he received some information in a
reading that the Mound Builders were setting up some of

(31:52):
their mound complexes as an intentional nod to Atlanta's. And
if you go deeper into that, there's a lot of
legends that some of the inhabitants of Atlantis survived whatever
cataclysm destroyed them and made their way down, possibly through Greenland,

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possibly through modern day Canada into North America, and some
of these more mystical elements that the Cherokee spoke of,
even like the Cherokee Little People were at one point
their descendants were from Atlantis. Same thing, same thing for
the Mound Builders. And I mean, I think that you

(32:34):
brought up a great point there with that. There's that's
kind of what I was getting at here, Chris. It's
like there's a connection here between the Mound Builders and
the order that I think Washington represented. Because Washington started
his own secret society, which I would say is a
branch off of the main of course, but he started

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the Society of Cincinnati, and they started that be before
they started the country. So it's like a secret order
came over here, took power first and said, okay, we
got it. We're sort of hammering down the stake here
where we got the flag in the ground. We're taken over.
And what you see is members of the Society of Cincinnati. Well,

(33:21):
for instance, Washington and Henry Knox picked the location for Cincinnati,
the city, and they picked it because it was a
mountain builder location. They went in there and they cleared
an ancient site from nine hundred a d. And put
Cincinnati right on top of it. Why did Washington and

(33:43):
Henry Knox pick that location? And Washington himself bought land
in Point Pleasant. We all know about how mister Coleton
Point Pleasant is Washington bought land in Serpent mount They
named the county that Serpent Mountain is in Loudon County
after Loudon County, Virginia, where they're from. Well, how do

(34:05):
you Washington know about all this? There's a link there
between these guys and the new Atlantis of Bacon's progenitorship
and the old Atlantis where all the legends came from.
And the mountain builders are in there and that lineage somewhere.
I mean, this goes so deep. It's like there's a

(34:28):
club of insiders here and it has to be the
elites knew about the occult sites. I mean, you've got
this was all over the country. This was they found
macaw feathers in Utah and ruins galore. That's Aztec stuff.
All those city settlements out there that the Mormons picked

(34:49):
are right on top of Aztec settlements. How did they
know to do that? Salt Lake City on an Aztec settlement?
And it was I think it was because the early
Mormons were freemass. Yeah, so there's there's knowledge there that
we just don't know about that they've been playing with

(35:10):
for millennia down to where they pick their their settlements.
And I mean an A Sause sites out there in
Utah as well, the ANA. I mean, I've seen some
people say that that goes back to eight eight thousand years.
And you've got Mormon towns right on top of the
an of Sase settlements. This is a big deal Washington,

(35:33):
so Washington knows about it. He puts DC, Cincinnati, Washington, PA,
and a couple other places on right on top of
ruins slash mount sites. It's this is that deep and
this I think this pulls the car right up to

(35:54):
talking about secret Destiny of America by Hall, if we
wanted to go more deep into that.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It was very interesting how they built the original institutions
and continued to on seemingly places of very high potency
and power, lay lines, things of that nature. The first
computer near Susquehanna, several other modern institutions that were built

(36:22):
on supposedly lay lines and places of power. It makes
you wonder the effect that they could have.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Oh that's interesting. Yeah. The Susquehanna River very mystical. That
was named after the Susquehanna people who were giants. They
were said to be well or we could say men
of tall stature. You know they were, but I think
it was even John Smith who came over here and

(36:50):
had interactions with them, and they were said to be
seven to eight feet. They were mound builder descendants. And
there's I mean, I haven't really announced this project yet,
but I'm working on a book, hoping to do a book.
So I've got a bunch of material here that's set

(37:12):
aside for that, and I'll allude to it right now.
Because I do want this to kind of come out
in the book. But there's there's one story I found
in particular about the Susquehanna that River, those people that
regi that region, and there is a the last eight
Susquehanna giants were killed off by this regime that took

(37:37):
over the country. Yeah, I'm going to leave the rest
for the book, I think, but it goes it goes
that deep, and I think that's a very mystical place
to like to your point that the first computer, what
comes out of there they designed like chips or something.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
The first processor.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Oh, anytime I look into technology, I see the same
connections that we're talking about today. There's totally an occult
connection behind the rise of this technology.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, let's get into that, the anti human nature of
our technological systems, where we are now as a collective,
and the obvious direction that they are trying to steer
us in this transhuman way. Talk a little bit about
Steiner's warning, the modern influences that brought us here. You

(38:32):
always see that the direction they want to head is
always outlined in literature, in white papers and documents and
early novels books. They always have it planned out and
it's always available for the public to see. It's very
interesting how they do that. Maybe it's revelation of the method,

(38:56):
but these dark agendas have been at play for a
very long time. People most likely just viewed it as
fiction until just recently when people started to realize how
corrupt our systems are, at least more people than of

(39:16):
recent history. Talk a little bit about how we got
here and your understanding of the steering of society so far.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, I'd love to get into the technology, the technology
aspect to this, but you said Steiner, So I want
to at least comment on that, And you know, I'm
thinking about I'm a little bit rusty on this, but
I'm thinking about Steiner's work, and I've read a lot
of his work, and I've listened to a lot of

(39:47):
lectures of his, and I'm familiar somewhat with the Eighth Sphere,
I believe is what he called it, which has held
a lot of weird predictions that he so. Steiner died
in nineteen twenty three, I think twenty somewhere between twenty
three and twenty five, and in his a Sphere work
he talks about the coming of an entity called Aramon,

(40:09):
and the way he lays that out, you kind of
have to go listen to lectures, multiple lectures, and look
at multiple writings and put them all together to see
the big picture of what he's saying. It's almost like
a puzzle. But once you have the pieces together, what
I think Steiner was saying with Araman was that there

(40:30):
was this coming intelligence and it wasn't good. It is
like a menace to the globe, and it was going
to come and it was going to first of all,
it was going to feed us technology. Oh, here's how
you do this, like what people say happened with Roswell.

(40:51):
If you look into some of that work with what
is it, Bell Labs, you know, as soon as Roswell happened,
Bell Lab starts making all these weird circuitry devices and
computer chips and things that we would use to build
the Internet. That's kind of what Steiner was saying was
going to happen. And he said, so, not only is

(41:12):
is it going to feed us the technology and give
us the means to build a computer, but it's going
to then manifest itself through the technology and start to
control us as a society through the technology and of course,
I don't have to spell that out to people today.
They didn't know what he was talking about pre nineteen twenties,

(41:34):
but now that's just where we're at with neuro leak
and AI and everything else. It's on us. So the
work of Steiner seemed to be very prophetic in that sense.
And it comes to that. And I think that this
stuff that we talked about today, the new Atlantis stuff,
the mainly P. Hall stuff, it seems like it runs

(41:55):
right alongside of the technological advancements that were witnessing. I'm
trying to figure out how I'm gonna set that up,
but I think that.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Do you think that Manly P. Hall was aware that
we would take technology to a dangerous level, at least
a level that is a threat to humanity.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
He seemed to always have those concerns for the overall
good of humanity. And I haven't seen him like Steiner.
I've listened to many of his lectures, and I've read
a lot of Hall stuff, and I'm not thinking of
anything in particular where he warned explicitly about technology, but overall, yeah,
he did. He did that with his overall era. He

(42:45):
was always concerned about the good of man, that's a
that's a vibe that I've always gotten from Hall, and
I think he was saying to us when he talked
about how Francis Bacon New Atlantis was never really finished.
It's said that there's a second piece out there floating around.

(43:06):
There might be a clue in that, because I do
think that George Washington thought that, especially when when he
was here's a very esoteric story for you. When Washington
was receiving his visions, he said that an entity came
to him in the night and was calling him the
child of the Republic and was saying, you're going to

(43:28):
do big things here. I think in his gut he
thought that he was building the New Atlantis. I do,
but I'm wondering if this was meant to be unfinished
for a while, and that Knew America was meant to
be the stepping stone to build New Atlantis, because maybe

(43:50):
New Atlantis wasn't supposed to even come around until the
technology came around. It's got to be a fusion. The
Philosophical Empire was meant to be one of high math
and high science and high technology, like it was said
to be back in the day, in the days of Atlantis.
So I think the you know that where this is

(44:14):
heading now, when you look at Greenland, that might be
the sight of the new Atlantis if we're going to
follow this thought experiment all the way through and go
go deep as possible here. I think it's because who's
looking at Greenland? All the big tech guys. Trump, Yeah,
big time. He wants to get Greenland from Denmark, all

(44:37):
the guys, Chris, all the guys at the inauguration, to
some of those guys who turned from Democrats to Republicans overnight. Hmm,
that's interesting. They had. They have big money staked up
in this Greenland project. They've all invested millions in the
Greenland project. And that's the top of Greenland is the

(44:57):
North Pole. That's where hyperbore Atlantis stool. All that was
said to be so and Reuter's put out this quote
the other day about what they want to do in
Greenland and it's you know, ai hub an underground light rail,
all kinds of just fifteen minutes futuristic super sity stuff.

(45:23):
That's what they want to do up there. So I'm wondering,
is is Greenland to be the side of the New
Atlanta's for real and that's going to be this new
world order that everybody's always talking about because Nostradams, another
man of the order, said that in the twenty first
century right now, that two world powers would unite over

(45:49):
the North Pole. And you see Putin and Trump talking
about what plans with the North Pole, essentially with Greenland.
Putin's out there saying, Yeah, Trump's got big plans for Greenland,
and He's going to do it. That's all he's saying.
He's clearly not against it. So there's something happening here

(46:12):
with Greenland. I really believe that, and I think that
it's the merger of this new Atlantis concept with the
technol with the technology.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
What are your thoughts on some of the recent theories
that have been popping up about Tartaria in a sense
that there was an advanced civilization in our recent past
that our ruling class proceeded to destroy and reset and
then rebuild with a brand new history and manufactured sciences

(46:47):
and manufactured education systems just to have this new level
of control over the entire planet. Basically, it's a fascinating story.
There's some interesting evidence that has come out. I'd love
to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, I've been looking into Tartari a little bit more lately,
and I'm not a full Tartarian guy, but I like
to take some of that and work with it. I mean,
they're onto something. I just don't think the overall picture
is there yet. But so it's like JJ Vance says
that I do shows with him occasionally, and he's like,

(47:24):
you can't get a full picture of what really happened
regardless of a reset or including a reset, without including
the mound builders you have to have if you're going
to have reset and that whole lost civilization thing on
the table, I think you have to have mound builders
on the table right alongside of it to understand what

(47:46):
really happened here. I don't think that there was a
reset personally. If there was, it was before eleven hundred
AD in my opinion, because I've looked at bloodlines and
somebody I know is a part of a bloodline. They're
all their ancestors are Queen's Basically it's a matriarchal bloodline,

(48:11):
and they they wanted me to help them look into it.
So I looked into it, and I was able to
trace the person I know back through this matriarchal blood lines,
and that bloodline didn't start getting hazy until around eleven
hundred AD, but it was perfectly on for that thousand
years is almost a thousand years, and these elites take

(48:36):
that super seriously. They the one thing that you don't
mess with is the blood line. They take that super seriously.
They That's why I don't think that there was a
reset since eleven hundred AD, because I don't know how
they would keep track of things. You can look at

(48:56):
their you can look at their bloodlines and see that
the last eleven hundred or last thousand years have been
relatively straightforward. I think that's my opinion on that. But yeah,
there's ancient civilizations over here in North America for sure.
I just don't think it was Tartaria. But there was
a Tartaria. That's why this thing is super convoluted. It's

(49:17):
kind of hard to dissect all this. Yeah, I mean
Tartaria was a real place. I looked into it. They
I don't have the dates perfect here, but they sacked Russia,
I think Saint Petersburg and I don't know the fifteen hundreds,
and then they sacked them again. Maybe it was like

(49:40):
the twelve hundred something like that. There's been twice in
the last thousand years where a group of people called
Tartarians came in and pillaged Russia. That's probably why they've
been wiped off the face of the planet as far
as historical memory goes. The Russians probably probably got back

(50:01):
at them for two you know, for trying to conquer them.
That's my theory, that's my working theory on that. But
we can call it Tartaria if you want, Like I mean,
people out there listening, you know, like, yeah, there were
ancient civilizations over here all over the place. They put
our cities right on top of them, like Cincinnati, like
we talked about earlier, that was on an ancient civilization

(50:22):
that goes back to the four Ancient people nine hundred AD.
I've got an interview transcript of one of the heads
of the Smithsonian himself saying that Nashville was put on
an ancient city, Cincinnati was on an ancient city, one

(50:43):
of the others, I think he said, Louisville and Pittsburgh.
This is not anything you're ever going to hear about
in school, But we built our cities on top of
Tartarian style ancient empires. Only my opinion is that they
weren't Oriens. They were Phoenicians or somebody from the Middle East.

(51:05):
You know, maybe there was Hebrew people over here too,
impossibly Egyptians in the Grand Canyon and all that good stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
What do you think is the modern desired outcome of
the destiny of America? Where do you think they want
all this to go? Of course, you can see the
transhuman agendas bubbling through, but there seems to be many
more layers, as there always is. Many believe that there's

(51:33):
a depopulation agenda, that there is a desire to develop
AI enough to have it govern the planet. Basically a
lot of possibilities for the outcome here. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeah, there is that faction of elites, just to use
that word Broadley, who want depopulation. I think that's clear
when you look into Bill Gates and the Milinda Gates Foundation,
and even in modern days like on podcasts, the girl
who was dating or married to Elon Musk was talking

(52:12):
about it, talking about how we're about to lose and
it was a crazy figure. It was like half of
the world's population. She was saying, we were about to
lose and it's like, what are you talking about? And
that's dark And I think that goes back to my
theory here that the Illuminati eventually did come in here
and take over some of some of this, you know,

(52:33):
some of the the bloodlines and the government and all that.
So there's a dark faction here. And I think I
know another thing here. This might be a good time
to read this to answer your question here, Like in
regards to where do they want this to go? Here's
that Reuter's that quote from Reuters. They said the vision

(52:55):
for Greenland could include a hub for artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles,
space launches, micro nuclear reactors in high speed rail. So
I think they want to do that, not just in Greenland,
they want to do that here and everywhere else. We're
starting to see that in Europe as well, Like they're
arresting people over there for social media posts as we speak.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
It's getting that there. The news is getting tighter and
tire and tighter on the peasants or what you know,
the people of the earth. They consider us to be peasants.
And this is it's going towards fifteen minute corporate smart cities,
and I say corporate because that's what Peter Till was
researching recently. He was researching corporate cities, which is, you know,

(53:45):
like oak Ridge, Tennessee, would be a good one. They
put that in in the forties to help build as
part of the Manhattan Project to help build the bomb.
It's a secret city they built out in the middle
of Tennessee at the high of the war, had like
seven some thousand people living there, and it was a
corporate city. So you just show up and you work

(54:07):
for your company and then your needs are provided for.
Your basic needs are are quote unquote provided to you,
so they'll housing, they give you like a they did.
It was with the coal miners too. They give them
like a food stamp instead of money, they give you
stuff that you can spend within the corporate city. That's

(54:29):
the revival of that, meshed with the fifteen minute cities,
is what I'm calling, you know, the fifteen minute corporate cities.
That's where I think they're wanting to go with some
of this, and it just it's we're talking about nineteen
eighty four, George Orwell stuff. We're talking about you know, Okay,
Trump wants to send a National Guard in the Memphis
I saw that happen this week. Uh okay, yeah, they

(54:52):
have a crime problem. But what happens if the National
Guard decides to stay and we have a military police
our cities. That's not good. That's nineteen eighty four, So
I think we could see it. Multiple things happen here
in the future, but it does seem to be headed
towards the digital ideas. I haven't mentioned it.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah, I think of that where these surveillance mechanisms and
all of the law enforcement and control mechanisms that this
administration is putting into place right now under the guise
of illegal aliens and some of the other problems that
they cite, is the reason for this. But fast forward

(55:36):
to a few years ahead when the pendulum swings back,
because the pendulum is always swinging back and forth, when
the other party gets in power, what are they going
to utilize these surveillance and control systems for. And it's
only going to get more all encompassing, and the technology
is just going to continue to grow. The question is

(55:58):
how are we supposed to navigate through all this? Right?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I like I like
that the pendulum is always swing. There's there's a great
hope in that because maybe regardless of how I've come
across at some points in this interview, I am not blackpilled.
I do have hope. I run on hope. I think

(56:22):
we have a lot of hope, and I think the
hope is is lies within podcasts like yours and and
hopefully the one that I do, the show I do
as well, and all the others, this whole community. I mean,
by knowing all this, it's not meant to bring you down.
It's meant to strengthen you because knowledge power. And if

(56:45):
we don't know what they're doing or how they operate,
or what their operation plans for the future are, then
we're just going to be you know, the guy for
nineteen eighty four could being surveiled. So I forgot.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
But yeah, the last few minutes we have, is there
anything that we didn't get to that you'd like to cover?
Any final thoughts before we close out?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah? I wanted to touch on the Goddess thing maybe
a little bit more, but not not super long. I
just think that that's such an interesting thread to all
this is the Goddess worship, because it kind of ties
in with the Phoenicians and like the goddess cult of
Ishtar that I've been researching, and the tenth Flarers and

(57:32):
all that. And what you see is that with the
order alongside of that is the bloodline, and you get
all this crazy occult knowledge in there with that. Like
every ruler, Queen Elizabeth included, because you know, we know
she had John d there with her. They always had

(57:54):
an occult handler, all the rulers did. And so there's
always this ocult teaching and being taught to the nations,
and a lot of it goes back to goddess worship,
and I just never hear that being talked about. And
what I found was I was looking at three subjects independently,
and I found that there was a major connection between

(58:15):
all three. You know, one was ancient technology or I'm sorry,
ancient America, and the other was the goddess thing Ishtar,
and the other was the templars. I was studying all
three independently, and I come to find that they were
all linked up and there was major connections to them.
And I just I found this Pike letter, Albert Pike letter.

(58:37):
I got to just throw this in at the end here.
This is crazy. Actually, I should say that Scott Walter
brought this to light. I didn't find it. He found it,
but I find it to be interesting. It's a real
Pike letter from to one of his fellow Masons, William

(58:57):
mclaud Moore, and this is I think that just just
points to everything we've talked about today. Pike said that,
of course Pike's a huge mason, huge figure in masonry.
He said in the letter that he went out west
looking for the signs, symbols, and tokens left behind by
our brothers and fellow knights Templar who coveted the Goddess.

(59:21):
He said they ventured out west looking for New Jerusalem,
also known as Francis Bacon's New Atlantis. He's talking about
Tempar's being here before Columbus looking for the site of
a building site for New Atlantis, and in the and

(59:41):
in the in the time being their their venerating goddess worship.
And I was like, WHOA, the stuff that we're not
taught in school is awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
It's because we have such a patriarchal spiritual or religious
foundation for this country, it would seem no one would
ever think that it's steeped in goddess worship at its roots.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
M yeah, and I think you see it in the
Statue of Liberty too. I mean, I think I brought
that up earlier. But that was originally be in port Said, Egypt,
and it was an unfinished project over there. It was
offered to the Order over here, who Pike of course
was a part of, and it was basically like French
occultists who knew Egyptian occultists passed it along to American Freemasons,

(01:00:34):
and it was a Roman goddess. I think, I think
I feel like it was probably going to originally be
an Isis figure, but somehow it got morphed into a
Roman goddess that Virgil talked about. And Virgil is the
guy who wrote the poem where we get norvous orto
siiclorum on the dollar bill in the first place. So

(01:00:55):
these guys are just slipping clues in here every which way.
And yeah, you're right, I'm I mean, the goddess threat
here is very potent, and I think it's interesting that
it's there and it just doesn't get a lot of
stage time. Australia is another one major Australia goddess connections
to America. Australia real quick is Virgo. It's a symbol

(01:01:16):
that we find that templar sites is the Virgo symbol,
much like the Triquerta, but it's associated with the Golden Age,
and Virgo is August two September twenty second, and our
Constitution was signed in Virgo. Interesting, so this you can
go just as deep as you want to go with

(01:01:38):
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Man, have you looked it all into Baphomet worship that
supposedly the Templars were into.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah, I've looked in the Elvis Levi and his interpretation
of that, which was meant to be according to the
Hebrew figures that he put on his bafro met, it
was meant to be a combination of Samyaza a male entity,
and Lila of a female entity. And thus the bath

(01:02:08):
met represented an androgen this entity. And that fits because
that the Templars, like illustrated in Pike's letter, did venerate
goddesses they wherever they went. I mean, I've got a
letter from twelve to twenty six about German templars building

(01:02:29):
a temple to Ishtar and they thought that they were
in communication with Ishtar. And this guy talked about it.
He's like, yeah, if I'm having revelations. She's telling me
building me a temple. I'm Ishtar. So they built the
temple there, and I forgot where I was going with that.
But what did you say a minute ago? The Batho

(01:02:52):
met Oh with bath me. So yes, it all ties
in because if you look at old the old temples,
to the original temples to Ishtar, back in Babylon and
maybe even Sumer, but for sure Babylon, androgyny is a
huge part of temple culture. All the priests and priestesses

(01:03:15):
were trying to become androgenous in a temple of Ishtar,
to become more like the gods. So there's a connection
there between the Baphomet being androgynist and God's goddess worship
in general.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
It's so interesting, man, there's so much we could get to.
We'll have to definitely have you back on before I
let you go. Remind the audience how they can get
your podcast and find out all about you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Yeah, thanks, Chris, enjoy talking to you today. This is
the first time we've Yeah, so I'm happy to make
your acquaints man of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Good conversation anymore in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, let's do ma any more. So, Yeah, I'm Tim Constantine.
I have a show called the six Sensory Podcast spelled
out six. I'm on Spotify, YouTube, Apple, Instagram, and Patreon.
And yeah, the best places and the quickest places to
find me out of all that would probably be Spotify

(01:04:14):
and YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Awesome, Mannick, thank you so much. This was fascinating. We'll
definitely be doing this again. Until next time, everyone, have
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