True Tales of the Paranormal: Fairies, Strange Beings & Otherworldly Encounters | Neil Ward - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on? It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

(00:23):
The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew.
Today my guest is Neil Ward. First Exciting News. Forbidden
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or you'd like to be a guest, email me Forbidden
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want to welcome Neil Ward. He is an author. He
is host of the Paranormal Peep Show on the Paranormal
UK Radio Network. He is an active paranormal researcher and

(01:34):
has investigated UFOs, taken part in scientific esp experiments and
studied mediums. Neil, Welcome, How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Hello, Chris, thank you very much for inviting me.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I'm very well. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's great to be on your show, and I look
forward to discussing many topics of the paranorm which I
hope your audience will find of interest.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I know they will, and I know I will as well.
You've researched some fascinating paranormal k which we'll share a
little bit today. You also share in your new book
True Tales of the Paranormal, as well as your upcoming
book and solve modern mysteries, everything from very encounters to
super giant women on church roofs Iranian soldiers encountering cloven

(02:18):
hoofed beings, bigfoot UFOs, and so much more, all of
my favorite stuff. I can't wait to share some of
these stories with the audience, but this is your first
time on Before we do tell the audience a little
bit more about yourself and let them know how they
can find out more about you.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay, So I guess as we're on the paranormal subjects,
we can sort of lead off from the paranormal area.
I am a co host of a podcast called The
Paranormal Peep Show, which airs on the Paranormal UK Radio Network,
and that is kind of a joint US stroke British Enterprise,
which has been going about nearly ten years now, and

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I kind of joined in the early days as a guest,
but they asked me to take over as a host,
so I kind of said, yeah, okay, I'll give it
a go. Because I worked in broadcast TV for many,
many years, the kind of skills of editing and setting
up things like technical stuff kind of I can lean
into it fairly well because I've got that background in TV,

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in production and broadcasting. So they lend itself quite well
to the world of podcasting, although you know, it's a
slightly different cattle fish, but you know, microphones and microphone etc.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Etc.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I've played in rock bands over the years. I'm a
bass player predominantly, but I also dabbled in keyboards a
little bit. More for the home recording or I have
joined bands as a keyboard is, but I wouldn't call
myself anything like a John Lord or Keith Emerson from Emerson,
Lake and Palmer. And I'm also an artist, so I
do lots of artwork. I've been doing it since I

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was a kid, do commissioned artwork, private commissions. I'm currently
working on sketches, concept sketches for a children's book. I'm
working at the moment my own children's story book. And
I also write about the paranormal, and we're going to
be discussing those topics. Did they through some of the
books that I've recently had published.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'd love to know what got you interested in the
paranormal and what led you to write these books in particular.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
It's always a question that I ask other guests that
I into as well, because you think, how did you
kind of come into this pathway? And it's always a
very interesting thing, you know, did you see spirits, did
you encounter a big foot? Or did you get abducted
on board a UFO? Unfortunately it was none of those things,
great and interesting as they sound, but how I got
into it was a curiosity I suppose because I grew

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up watching Star Trek as a kid doctor who science
fiction shows absolutely fascinate all that kind of stuff. But
I was also interested in ghost stuff, although they were
typically more.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Scary to watch.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
But I remember asking my mum at a very young age,
probably eight or nine, Mum, where was I before I
was born? And she said, well, you never existed. And
I said, but I must have existed, and she said, no, no,
you never existed. And I thought, well, okay, I don't
remember not existing, but I must have been somewhere.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
And I didn't really kind of get.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
An answer to that, but it kind of sat on.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Me in my consciousness for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
And as time progressed, I started to see books by
an author called well and in fact she was a medium,
foremost a medium of British medium called Doris Stokes, and
she started to appear on the TV in the late
nineteen seventies on daytime shows doing mediumship, and that really
intrigued me. And then we got some of the books

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in our family and started to read those, and also
we used to get the Reader's Digest magazine delivered and
sometimes they had these interesting articles in there about what
happened to a person when they temporarily died on the
operating table in the hospital and they go out of
their body through a tunnel a light and maybe talk
to someone on the other side. And that really intrigued me.

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So it was all these little things sort of jumping
into my mind from various places that kind of got
me thinking about is there such a thing as an afterlife?
For what happens?

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Where do we go?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
And then there used to be other TV shows that
have come on talking about like Bigfoot or UFOs, alien encounters.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
And that also intrigued me.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So really I kind of got the whole thing kind
of brewing within my consciousness over the years, and I
started to do shows with my artwork. I used to
go to various pagan conferences, witchfest conferences, witchcraft shows, that
kind of thing, and I used to display my artwork
there and sell a few prints. And I found that

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if I offered to do a talk for the people
that organized it, they would give me a free stall
or booth as you might say in the States. And
they've covered my fuel as well, so I have a
few stories to my bo as it were. By that
point of various ghostly encounters of things I'd researched, but

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I found a lot of people after each talk would
come up to me and tell me their particular ghost
story or their particular weird occurrence. Some are pretty substandard
or average, but now and again you'd get absolute gems
of stories, and you think, I've got to write this down.
I've got to write this down. So eventually, when COVID
came and everyone was locked down, I decided, this is

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the point that I'm going to write this down. So
I started to write this down as a book. And
the original book was called Encounters with Fairies, Ghosts and Spirits,
because I'm also interested in the world of fairies. And
I then said, it's around various publishers, and this publisher
picked it up and they said, we've actually got a
book parked in our to do list as such called

(07:51):
True Tales of the Paranormal. We haven't actually got an author,
but that is the working title we've got, and they said,
your book could possibly fit into this title. Would you
be interested if we made a few changes, changing the
title and you know, making it a bit more up
to date, or a PC or something like that. So
I said, yeah, sure, So we went with that agreement,

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and that's how the True Tales of the Paranormal was born.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Basically.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, I'd love to get into some of these stories
without giving away too many from the book, but you've
got so many I think the audience would enjoy hearing
a couple. Let's start with one that you wrote about
in the email. A elderly lady in the nineties who
saw a strange mist rise from her deceased husband chest

(08:39):
after he died. Tell us a little bit about this story.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, okay, so that was a personal story that I
never read about. It was actually related to me by
this lady. I was doing tarot carlines at the time,
so I've studied mediumship by this point, went to mediumship
developing circle psychic developing circles as they call them. And
one of the side sort of things of that is

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that you can learn to do taro. And people were
starting to come to me for tarot car rnes. But
this particular lady rang up and said, I'd like to
have a taro read him, but I don't drive.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Can you come to me?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
And I thought, okay, you know, not really kind of
the way I do it, but I'll do it but
I'm so glad I did so. Basically, I found her
house and this is before we had sat now as
god knows how I found her house, but I found
it and she lived in a small bungalow. And I
gave her the reading and it was about forty minutes long,
and she said that was very accurate. So I said,
thank you very much. And she said, but there's one

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thing you didn't mention. And I said, but what was that?
And she says, well, my husband, he did he not
kind of make himself known to you. And I said, well, look,
if I felt your husband around, I definitely would have
mentioned him. But I didn't feel him around. So she goes,
let me tell you something, and then she showed me
the bedroom where she said her husband lay ill for
a year in his bed, and she said he was

(10:00):
so ill that he had to breathe with an oxygen
mask because he was just so ill and poorly. And
every day she used to lift him up and try
and puff up his pillows to make him more comfortable.
And on this particular day, she said, she puffed up
his pillows for him whilst she was leaning him forward,
and he kept saying, I feel so ill. I feel
so ill, I just want to die. And she said,

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at that literal point, as he said I just want
to die, he literally just died in her arms, almost
like the request of being granted from somehow. And so
she laid him back down on the bed and she
said she saw this vaporous miss that was exact where
she chose vaporous mist that came up out of his
chest and then went up towards the ceiling and went
down into the airing cupboard in the corner of the bedroom.

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And she says, now, I'm going to tell you this,
and she goes, my doctor just laughed at me, because
obviously she told her doctor. She felt that she's got
to tell someone this, and so she thought she'll tell
the doctor he would understand. But she said, he just
laughed at me. She goes, but I know you won't laugh.
And she said, six months later, I'd be woken up
about three o'clock in the morning and ow that same

(11:06):
airing cupboard, she said, I saw and it was her words,
a red Indian coming out of the cupboard. Now, this
lady was probably about in her eighties in the mid
nineties in nineteen ninety five. Now I kind of knew
where she was coming from. And these days people say
Native American or First Nation people, whatever word you want
to use, but that's the kind of person. She was

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describing her Native American Indian coming out the cupboard, and
she said she could see him very very clearly. She
could see the war paint on his face, as she
described it as that. She said, I saw the feathered headdress.
I saw a own necklace around his neck, and he
was bare chested, but I couldn't see below the waist
it was that was all foggy, but she could clearly
see the top half of him. And she said that

(11:50):
what happened has he came out the cupboard, He was
waving his arms as if he was almost like trying
to crawl out or swim out, if you like wading
through something. And she said, behind him she saw another
man who appeared to be in the shadows, and then
behind that man was a third man who appeared to
have some kind of how on. But he was even
in a darker shadows, and she couldn't see him at

(12:11):
all very clearly, but she could definitely see this a
Native American Indian trying to come out of the cupboard,
and she said, it just didn't happen the once. It
happened virtually every night, and she said, what is it?

Speaker 4 (12:25):
What's going on? I went, oh, my god.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I said, well, I said, have you ever heard of.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
A spirit guide? And she says no.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Now, by all accounts, this lady only dabblement with the
paranorm was perhaps having a tarot card reading, and she
might have read astrology signs maybe in the paper. That's
as far as I'd put a kind of knowledge in
these areas. So she had no idea what a spirit
guide is. And for those that don't know what a
spirit guide is, in the terms of spiritualism and mediumship,
they talk a lot about spirit guides, and they tend

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to be people that have died and gone on to
the next life i e. The spirit world, and if
their advanced souls, and typically the reason that Native American
Indians come through is that they were more advanced on
a spiritual level than say the average Westerner, if you like,
so they would be much more in tune in nature,
the harmony in nature, the cycles of nature. They'd also

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understand about the soul and the spirit a bit more.
They'd talk about the great White spirit and that kind
of stuff that helped nature, like their version of God
if you like. And and so this basically was a
description of a spirit guy that she was given. Yet
she had never heard of a spirit guide. And typically
she'd never heard of Native American spirit guides, which are

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the most common ones reported being encountered in seances or
with mediums that are described in their own spirit guide
as a Native American. And here she was one witsing
one coming through her airing cupboard. Now why was it
coming through her airing cupboard? Well, if we go back
six months earlier to when our husband died and we

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saw the mist coming out of his body, or she
witnessed it. Rather, she said, the mister rose up to
the seeding and went into this airing cupboard. So I
said to her, I believe you've got maybe something like
a portal. And I said, you can picture it like
a revolving doorway and a hotel lobby. I says, you
can go in it, but you can also come out
of it. And I said, I think that's where your

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husband's spirit, I either myst that you saw went, And
I said, I bet he didn't believe in any of
this kind of stuff. Did he the kind of stuff
that we're discussing, She goes, no, he thought it was
all rubbish. I said, that's probably part of the key.
He possibly, because of his understanding, hasn't got the ability
to come back literally under his own power. He perhaps

(14:40):
needs the help of someone to assist him. And I said,
I think this Native American is a guide of some sort,
and he's helping your husband, who's possibly the man behind,
and he's bringing him through. And she was trying to
maybe witness that and engage with him in some way.
So I said, you know, maybe what you should do
is try and talk ask him questions, what do you want?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Why are you here?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
That kind of thing, And I said, if you don't
get any success, don't If you don't get any answers,
then call up the College of Psychic Studies in London
or the Spiritualist Association of Great Britain, places that do
with mediums and psychic matters all the time, and they
might be able to give you a little bit more
information than what I've given you. And also they maybe

(15:22):
even be able to help. They even may send someone
down to maybe check out your place or whatever for
whatever reason, and I left it at that, But I
came away with kind of like, my.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
God, this is quite an extraordinary tale, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And I suspect this lady must have been slightly psychic
herself to be able to witness this spirit coming through
the door.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Now, let me ask you. Did she describe the Native
American as a normal sized apparition, the same size as
a normal human? Was it smaller?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
She never mentioned anything about his size. The by all
intensity appeared to be the same size. After it was
coming through a framework of a door of a cupboard,
which would probably range between five five feet to six
feet tall, and this Native American seemed to be coming
through it with their headdress. I would say, no problem
at all, but he seemed to be struggling some way,

(16:13):
because he seemed to be weighed in his arm through it,
as if he was like swimming through a tree call, perhaps,
although there was no actual tree call there. But she
said she couldn't see the legs. But it's interesting you
mentioned the size of these spirits because I did attend
once what they call a physical seance in a place

(16:34):
in Oxfordshire in the southwest of the UK, many years ago,
and I was asking the guy that ran this place,
what's the most fantastic thing you've seen? And he said, well,
he was there when they had a physical salance. That's
where a materialized spirit will actually physically manifests using this
material called ectoplasm. You might have heard that mentioned in Ghostbusters.

(16:59):
It's actually comes from a real stuff they call ectoplasm,
which comes out of the medium. Apparently I've never seen
it myself, but this is what they say. And he
said that this spirit guid appeared who was a Native American.
He appeared to be at at least seven foot tall,
you know, really tall. And he said to this guy,
who was like a normal guy that was in this seance,

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he says, I want you to punch me in the chest,
this spirit guide said to him. So this guy reluctantly
punched him in the chest and he said, hit me harder.
And the guy was sort of thinking, okay, is sure
about this? So he hit him a bit harder and
he goes, no, hit me really hard, and so this
guy punched him for a third time really hard in
the chest. Now that would have knocked me and you've
probably flattened the ground by this point or even you know,

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broken a rib maybe, but this guy, this guy said, no,
hit me as hard as you can. So this guy thought, okay,
So he took one massive punch of this spirit guide
whacked him on the chest and he didn't even rock backwards.
And then certainly this spirit guide just dissolved into the ground.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Earlier, you mentioned fairies. This is always fascinating to me, nature, spirits, elementals, fairies.
Maybe we could get into a couple of fairy stories.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, sure, So I start the book off with the elementals,
the fairies as they're commonly known, sometimes called the fay.
And there's a particular one story that occurred in Canada.
Now people can actually find out for this that they can,
you know, they can read it in the book. But
there is a where I got the original source information

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from on that was from a documentary film called The
Fairy Faith by Canadian filmmaker John Walker, and he went
and interviewed various people from around the world, Canada, Wales, Island,
Scotland on what they said were encounters in some shape
whale form with fairy beings. And this particular lady had

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gone to a favorite picnic spot in a late in
Canada and she was with her children. I think she
had three children at the time, and this was probably
about the early nineteen eighties, mid eighties, and they was
having their picnic and after the picnic, the children, the
young children wanted to paddle in the water, so the
mother took them into the water just up to their angles,

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and they were paddling the water, and all the while,
the mother could hear this strange, weird music and she
couldn't place where it's coming from, but it made her
feel very uneasy, and so she felt instinctively that she
should not be around there. So she decided to get
the kids back in the car, and she goes, kids
get in the car, and the kids didn't want to

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go in the car because they were paddling, and so
she lost her rag, as we say, she shouted.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Up and she's getting the car.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
So all the kids reluctantly got in the car, and
she said to her eldest daughter as they de started
to drive away, she goes, don't look out the window.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
In this documentary film, they took the actual lady and
her daughter, who was now going back to that original
location and they were showing the film crew around where
they had experienced this strange thing. And the daughter, who
has now grown up, said, I remember my mum saying
don't look out the window, but I had to. I
just wanted to see what was there. And I looked,

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and she said, I saw these small, maybe foot high
beings coming out of the woods into the pathway and
they're all hand in hand and they were dancing round
in a circle. And that's perhaps where this music was
coming from. And they were coming down the pathway towards
where the car and where their picnic had been. And

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that's the last she saw of it. So what would
have happened to them had they stayed there?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I mean they said that when you hear this very music,
you've got to beware because you can get your senses lost,
you become lost and you cannot find your way home.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's a very bizarre thing. Now.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
In the same documentary film they also interview a guy
from Glasgow in Scotland called Steve o'dale I think his
name is, and he said that he had gone on
holiday and he was by this mountain which was strange enough,
called the Fairy Hill or the Fairy Fort, and it
had just been raining and the clowns were parting. And

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as the clowns were part and the rainbow started to
form over the valley. And as he stared over the
valley looked at the unfolding view of the hills of Scotland,
he thought, wow, that's a lovely site with the sunlight
coming through in the rainbow, and what a beautiful site
that is. And all the whilst he was admiring this site,
there was something distracting him in his peripheral vision. And

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he carried on looking at this scene. But all the
while there was this thing out the corner of his
eye moving, and he thought, what is that? And he
suddenly looked down and he said.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Where his foot was?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
He said, there was a small woman about a foot high,
and she had brown leathery looking skin, a pointy kind
of leathery looking hat, and she even had like whiskers,
almost like whiskers on her face. And he said that
she had what appeared to be an old, stylish pair
of sheep sheares. And this is where it gets freaky,

(22:08):
and I tell people to buckle up, because this is
going to be a strange one buckle up.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
She appeared to be cutting around the sole of his.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Shoe with these sheep sheer style scissors. And he said
that where his shadow extended, because the sun had now
come out and cast a shadow at the top end
of his shadow, was the male equivalent of this small
brown woman. And this is where it was weird. He
was rolling up the guy's shadow like paper. Yeah, yeah, weird,

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isn't it defines physics? And he said, I didn't know
what to say. All I could think of to say
was OI. And he said they looked at each other
as if in surprise that oh my god, he can
see us, and instantly, bang, they just vanished completely out
of reality. That they disappeared. Wow.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
And yeah, and you're thinking.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well, how can you roll up a shadow? Wait, because
it's not like paper, is it. But maybe in their
world or part of their world, they they can do
something with it and steal it.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And so that's.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Why I called that part of the book the Shadow Stealers. Now,
it's interesting because it had just been raining in this scenario,
and so therefore the sun wasn't out. But as soon
as the sun came out and started to cast a
shadow with its bright light, it's like these people, whoever
they were, these small beings wanted that shadow for whatever reason,

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and it's like they were lying in wait like hunters
of a shadow to capture it for whatever reason. And
he actually said, I dregged to think what would have
happened if I hadn't a seen that? What would have
happened to me? Would they've stolen part of my soul?
You know, like vampires? But it's done in a symbolic
shadow form. I mean, it wasn't he wasn't really meant

(23:56):
to see it anyway. So yeah, it's just bizarre, isn't.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
It is absolutely bizarre. And I hear stories like this
all the time where people will have these encounters with
an intelligence or being. During the experience, it seems like
their perception is hijacked and taken over to an extent
where whatever they're interacting with can present itself as whatever
it wants and can take over their reality in a

(24:24):
way and affect it by changing things in very profound
ways in that person's reality. So I find that very
fascinating how whatever these things are can completely take over
our consciousness if they want.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, I mean, I was discussing this particular case with
a guy who we interviewed about eight months ago. On
our Paranormal peep show. And his name was Simon I
forget his surname of the topic. He writes lots of
essays about fairy research and he gets people to write
to him with their fairy encounters as well. And he

(25:02):
said that there was one guy that rode to him
and he said, hit. This guy had woken up and
on his bed was a small brown being and I
think they're actually called brownies, that's.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
The term given to them.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
And he was sitting on his bed looking at him,
and it had like a bag in its hand, probably
a leather bag or something, but it had a bag
in its hand. And he said, it looked at me
like someone was eyeing up a horse for the market.
So it was looking at him in some sort of
sense of value or commodity of some thought, almost like
a FERENGI would see gold or something of value. And

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it was eyeing him up, not as a person, but
what could it get out of him and maybe market
itself or profit from in some way.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
That is so interesting. Before we move on from fairies
and elementals, is there any other stories that really stick
out in your mind at this time?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yes, so I mentioned there there's an Iranian soldier that
I met. He wasn't a soldier by the time I
met him. So I was flying with my family at
the time, this would be about two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, on a holiday from London down
to Spain, and everybody getting on the plane as mostly

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Spanish people, few English people, and one of the last
people to get on the plane sat next to me.
It was the last seat available, and we ended up
chatting and he was kind of dark skinned, and I
assumed that he was Spanish, but he said no, He said,
I live in London. He said, but I'm from Persha
or what you might know today as Iran, but I

(26:44):
prefer to call it Persha.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
And I said, oh, are you going on holiday?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
And he goes, no, I'm an architect and I'm going
out to check on the properties that I've been designing,
to make sure the project's all good and happy type
of thing. And anyway, he said, what do you do,
So I said, well, I'm artists And at the time
I ran this a fairy museum to do with the
legends of the Orkney Islands off the north coast of Scotland,

(27:09):
and we ran this fairy museum for a few years,
and it involved me doing lots of artwork to put
on display there, and so I had lots of photographs
on my digital camera. So I decided to show him
a few drawings and things, and I decided, well, I'll
tell him that really interesting story the guy that was
having his shadow stone, which I just related to you,

(27:30):
and it kind of got him maybe to be a
bit more confident. He didn't want his name revealed, but
I said, could I usual story? Once he finally told me,
he goes, yeah. So I gave him a sort of
a fake name in the book, but it's there to
protect his identity basically.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
But this guy, he basically.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Said that he was a young conscripted soldier back in Iran,
and I had again put this in the early nineteen eighties,
and he was patrolling the street late at night with
an army buddy, and he said a sandstormer kicked up,
which is very common in those areas, sandstorms, and so
he said him and his friend decided to kind of

(28:10):
seek shelter from the sandstorm, and they found a mosque.
So they went into this mosque, and as is the
custom of mosques, you take your shoes off. So they
took their shoes off, so they just had bare feet.
And they both went into the mosque. And this guy,
I'll call him Hussein, he said to his army colleague, Okay,
you lay down by the wall and have a sleep.

(28:32):
I'll sit here with my gun, keep awake for any trouble,
and then how I'll wake you up, and it'd be.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
My turn to out of sleep. So he says, okay.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
So they went like that for maybe half an hour.
His friend fell asleep and this guy who's saying, he
was sitting there and every time he couldn't help it,
but he kept falling asleep, sitting up right, and he
kept wake up, thinking I must stay awake, I must
stay awake. And then again he just fell asleep again,
and he said, on the third time he woke up,
think I must wake up. He woke up and there
were people there, and it was this lady who was

(29:05):
crouching down, staring intently at his feet. And beside this
lady was a young girl, he said, about eleven or twelve,
crouching down as well by this lady looking at his
friend's feet intently, and maybe was staring looking at their
feet and he thought, who are they? Where have they
come from? So he decided to try and wake up
his friend, who was fast asleep, and he said, with

(29:27):
his elbow, he kept pressing onto his friend's chest, and
he said, no matter how hard he pressed, his friend
wouldn't wake up. So he decided that he was gonna
he was going to make a run for it. I
don't know why he was going to make a run
for it, because he had the gun, really, but he said,
he started to wrap the strap of the gun around
his wrists so the gun wouldn't swing.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
As he ran. I still find his bart incredible.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
You're the guy with the gun, but you're going to
run away, and you don't know what these people do,
and they've not threatened you in any way.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
They're just staring at your feet. But he wanted to
run away.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
And he said that movement must have triggered this woman
to look up, because she looked up at him. He said,
as soon as I made eye contact with her, he said,
he said, I just knew something inside of me connected
with her, and I knew that she wasn't from this world.
She was not from this world. And he said, at
that point, she stood up and the young girl stoo

(30:19):
up and they walked away, and he said, as they
walked away, he noticed they both had cloven hoofed feet
as they walked through the wall of the mosque and vanished.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Through the wall of the mask.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Wow, yeah, with their cloven feet. And when he told
me that, she had run up and down the back
of my spine with that one. But then when you
come to analyze the story again, you think back and thinking, ah, so,
hang on a minute, if these people had cloven hoofed feet,
the human feet that Hussein his friend had to them.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Would be the oddities.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
What are these strange toad things that are here that
these people have got, not like our cloven hoo feet
that we've got. You know, I'm stimulating, what's simulating what
they would be saying. Of course, who knows how they
would think, but they certainly seem to be curious about
the human look of the foot. And so it also

(31:15):
lends rise to the fact that you've got these legends
of people with cloven Who's like, pan, where does that
legend come from? And then you've got other strange mythical creatures.
And so in the book I discuss mythical creatures. Is
there some credence to them? Have they somehow intruded into
our reality on occasion and been cited by people? And

(31:37):
you know, we see them as mythical creatures, but they
might be an alternative kind of race of people that
have developed on an alternative pathway to the earth, like
a probable earth, probable realities, ghostly reality, who knows. You know.
We tend to think, oh, there's the spirit world above us,
and we've.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Got this world.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
But I think there's many many other worlds and dimensions
that we're unaware of. But somehow there's leaks in them
or doorways, pathways back and forth. And so maybe these
people pop into our reality from time.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
To time as visitors because they're curious, and.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Maybe being a mosque of a holy building where prayers
are said on a regular basis, maybe that's generated some
sort of energy there. And I'll talk about that energy
in another religious sense on a church building later on.
But whilst on the subject of these kind of cloven
hoofed creatures, I did say this particular talk at a

(32:35):
place in the north of England some years ago, and
after my talk again people came up to me to
tell me their strange stories, and this lady came up.
She goes, I'm so glad you mentioned those cloven hoofed
creatures because I know I'm not going mad.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
And I said, well, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Then she says, well, some years ago, I was in
hospital and I gave birth to a dead baby, unfortunately,
and I had to try and come to terms with it.
And they put me in this room by myself, and
in the cop was the dead baby. I could look
at it and cuddle it and hold it if I
wanted to, but she says, most of the time, I

(33:11):
just sat on the bed with my head in my hands,
thinking how am I gonna be strong for my husband
and my family when I'm in this particular state of mind.
And while she's in this kind of very distraught frame
of mind, she said she noticed the door open and
in came and she didn't get a full tally of
the number exactly, but she estimated to be four or

(33:33):
five small centaur beans and they had kind of like
bodies of horses or something, goats or something, but they
seem to have human torsos, rather like the centaurs that
you might have seen in Harry Potter or a Ray
Harry els On movie perhaps, and they.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
All came in.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
She goes, two of them looked and peered in at
the cot where the dead baby was, and the other
three kind of just stared up at me, as I
had my head in my hand, and I looked at
them in absolute wonderment. And she says, they weren't pretty
things at all. They were very, very ugly creatures, and
they just stared at her. But she said, after a while,

(34:12):
she doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't remember them going away,
she doesn't remember them vanishing. They just weren't there after
a while. It's almost like she went into some sort
of weird trance and kind of lost her senses a
little bit, and it had all gone. But she said,
suddenly she felt a lot stronger and a lot more
capable of dealing with life from that point on. So
was it, in some way, some healing force that these

(34:32):
central beings had given to her in some way? She
wasn't sure, but she thought, is she going mad? And
she always questioned herself. And then when I gave this
talk on Hussein and his cloven hoofed creatures in the mosque,
she knew, she said, I know I'm not going insane now,
so I know there's other people who have seen these
things or similar things out there, and so that kind
of gave her a little bit of confidence that the

(34:54):
world is strange. But you know, it's not you as
going crazy. Maybe it's the world that's crazy for not
believing in these things.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Do you think we're dealing with the same phenomena When
we look at things like fairies and these cloven hooved
creatures and possibly UFOs, it does seem that there is
an ecosystem of intelligences and life forms just beyond our
perception that can somehow present themselves to us in a

(35:25):
way or come into our reality. But they have such
a spectrum of phenomena. When you look at people's experiences
with other worldly beings, especially the abduction experiences where people
are taken on craft and you hear about the same

(35:48):
types of beings being interacted with, like the big eyed,
gray alien beings or the mantis beings, you have these
very profound similarities. But then you have the crossover experiences
where it can seem very much like an alien abduction experience,
but there are different beings involved, or a different scenario

(36:11):
or you're not taken on a ship, you're taken to
a different realm. Could it be that we're dealing with
the same type of phenomena that presents itself in different ways,
or is it a spectrum of different types of events happening.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Now that's a good point. Now.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
That point has been raised by people in the past,
such as John Kill who was the author of the
Mothman prophecies. He looked into those kind of things. He
called them not extraterrestrials, he called them ultraterrestrials. And he
wondered if they were for some other place, not necessarily
from outer space or other solar systems or galaxies, but

(36:51):
wondered if they had come through from some other dimensional realm.
And he kind of wondered if, for instance, the big
Foot that was often encountered with a lot of these
landed saucers, was there as a distraction, so they would
maybe take a big foot or land near a bigfoot,

(37:11):
We're not quite sure, and people would see the big
Foot and these aliens could then you know, whilst the
Bigfoot's distracting, these these aliens could gopen with whatever they
want to do. But that's not the whole case because
obviously a lot of these aliens, and we're calling them
maidens because we don't know what else to call them,
ultra terrestrials whatever, bars aliens, because people more familiar with
that term are actually now, you know, engaging with the

(37:34):
human race in some way. Not everyone, but a lot
of people. And there are certainly stories from the past
that's covered by John Kill and Jacqu's Valley in his
Road to Pasca Goola. I think it's called Pasca Gooder.
I think it is Pasco Gooder. I think of something else.
But anyway, he wrote a book on these things and

(37:54):
asked the you know, are we dealing with modern day
fairy encounters? You know, the fairy signings are people. There
were small billings. They would take your way, you would
have missing time, you wouldn't be in your right frame
of mind. You know, they would do things to you.
They would maybe give you food, tweet or something like that,
and you go into some weird, kind of strange mental

(38:17):
kind of situation. You might come back a few days
later totally disorientated. There did seem to be.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Quite a lot of.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Kind of similarities between a lot of these old age
folk tales of fairy beings and more modern interpretations.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
But it's interesting that as we go.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Through the ages, these these craft have kind of changed
with the ages. So, for instance, in the eighteen hundreds,
you would get these what people thought were airships flying
in the United States, but they would fly incredible speeds.
Now they call them airships because they didn't have the
word for flying saucer or aeroplanes at that time.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
But these airships.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Seemed to all by the descriptions of a steampunk Jules
Verne type of thing going on there with them. And
typically these craft would land and they would be humans
on board. Sometimes they would they would look slightly oriental
to people, and other times they might look like they
were Mexican or possibly Spanish. They never gave any clues

(39:20):
to where they came from. But typically when they were encountered,
they always seem to be typically fixing the craft in
some way, which I thought was a bit odd in
most of these cases at that time, and in more
recent cases cases where that these people have said that, oh,
they seem to be fixing or tinkering with one end
of the craft or for some reason, and you're thinking,

(39:40):
surely these craft can't be faulty all the time, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I mean every time you park your car up.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You've not got the bonnet of your car up all
the time you're parking, and you're there with the span
of fixing it every time you just go to the store,
you know. So I wonder if this is more of
a psychological maneuver on the part of these occupants, so
that when you encounter them and they know you're coming
up in them, that they're not going to be threatening
in any way. And it's their particular way of saying, oh,

(40:09):
we're not really minding you much. We're too busy with
our craft. And they're pretending to fix their craft, and
they know that you'd interpret that as looking and tinkering
with mechanics of some sort. So they kind of almost
simulate in what us humans do. They're acting like the humans,
tinkering and fixing things, so they're almost like very human like,
and so therefore there might be intrupted more as friendly folk.

(40:31):
They haven't got weapons in their hands or things. They're
just doing stuff under the bonnet, so to speak, and
they might say, oh, do you know where we could
get some water from, or in the case of one account,
they's asked for bluestone, and they gave the guys some
coins and things to pay for it as well. And
this is in the eighteen hundreds. And they say, well,
where are you from? And they said, oh, well, we've

(40:51):
just come from from Illinois or whatever, and tomorrow we'll
be in Athens in Greece, you know. And you think,
in my God, so then that they never mentioned flying
back to Fairyland or some out of space place. They
seem to be touring over the whole of the world,
if that was the case. But I mean, you know,
who's to know whether they were true in a sense

(41:13):
of what they tell it is the truth, you know.
And sometimes you see these beings, you don't get a
word out of them. I mean, there was the case
in nineteen sixteen where in the First World War on
the east coast of United Kingdom, an area known as
East Anglia. This lady was in a local village and

(41:36):
she had a.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Village was called Aldebor alder Borh. I think it's called Alderbor.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
She was upstairs cleaning her bedroom and it's around lunch time.
There weren't many people in the village because a lot
of people were fighting in the First World War, or
they're in factories building amnumission or tanks or wherever it
may be, or they're out fishing. So it's a very
very quiet sort of villain street. And she said she
suddenly noticed this flying what she described as a flying

(42:05):
platform coming up the street at rooftop high, and if
you think of a playpark with a children's roundabout, it
was almost like that. It was a very flat disc,
but had men standing on it. She said, it was
men just like us. This lady said, Missus Whiteland's her
name was, and they appeared to be holding onto a handrail.

(42:26):
She assumed it was made of brass, but it could
have been made of some other metal, and they appeared
to have some kind of uniform on and they had
small hats on. So she thought there was something maybe
something to do with the German military or the navy,
because they had blue uniforms. But she heard no sound
coming from this device as it flew overhead. They didn't

(42:49):
seem to be bothered with her looking out the window.
They didn't talk to her or wave to her. They
just seemed to be looking down at the street below.
And she said she tried to look between the legs
of the mentaita. There's some kind of engine or propeller,
any kind of machinery that would make this thing fly,
but she saw nothing. It was to silently glide in
and it took a sharp turn to the right just

(43:11):
as it reached her house, and then turned up the
road and headed out towards the sea. And that's the
last she saw of it, and she didn't know what
it was.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
It stories like that in the night that make me
wonder how much of a human element is involved with
the UFO phenomenon. I do believe that we have been
trying to reproduce craft or reverse engineer exotic technology for
a while. I think we have exceeded whether we got

(43:41):
that technology from extraterrestrials or spirits or just advanced humans
some kind of information field. I know we have very
advanced exotic technology. We have for a while. And there
has been reports of human involvement with extraterrestrial abduction cases.
People will not only report gray beings, but military personnel

(44:04):
being involved with the experimentation that they are being subjected
to during these experiences, So that sends up red flags
for me, makes me wonder how much our military has
been involved and is still trying to skew the UFO narrative.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah, I mean there are cases, and you've got these
people like the whistleblowers like Bobb Blazaar and more recent
cases of people coming forward saying there are things being
back engineered or simulated. I mean, it's interesting that case
that they appear to have some sort of uniform one.

(44:45):
But why would they do it so openly. There was
no attempt to cover them up under some sort of canopy.
They would just stand on this small platform openly cited
by the lady.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
It made me.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Wonder it's not possibly a cras that go into outer space,
because it had no kind of capsule for a pressurized
station or anything like that for a vacuum, and the
fact that she said she saw it heading out to
sea suggested to me that there might have been a
craft out of there, like something like a submerciful craft.
Not necessarily a submarine as we understood it this is
a First World War, but some submerciful that probably high technology.

(45:23):
This craft could possibly land on and then submerge below
the sea. So this was more like a small scoutcraft,
you know, when people think of flying sources they automately
assume that flying sources have flown from one galaxy to
another and they've come in that craft. But if you
think about it, you know, when say you've got an

(45:44):
American aircraft flying out in Iraq or Afghanistan, that aircraft
has not necessarily flown all the way from the United
States over to Iraq. It's come on an aircraft carrier
which is out at sea, hasn't it. It might be
twenty miles out of sea, off the Golf Coast somewhere,
and then it flies in and then goes back out
to sea to land on again. So it kind of

(46:07):
bears a sort of resemblance to that kind of idea
of how they're doing things. They're going back to something
that's possibly out to sea. Now, back in about nineteen
fifty three point fifty four in London, a similar craft
was seen flying over the trains of London and it
was seen by a Reverend Pith Kelly who was sitting

(46:29):
there and as the train had stopped by a certain stop,
he noticed a craft of similar description hovering over a viaduct,
which is where a body of water is. Again, so
there's water connections between both of these craft. And on
this one, the men had khaki colored uniforms and there's
possibly about twenty of them on board. And it was
just hovering for maybe four or five minutes whilst he.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Was on the train.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Until the train went away he lost sight of it.
So how long it was there we don't know, but
he at least saw it for four minutes. Again, it
would have been in full sight of everybody else on
the bizarre as it was, you know. And here it
is in the middle of London, and it's like more
than forty years later, after the Second World War, but
nothing has come to light with any device like that

(47:12):
that's got ten, fifteen twenty men that floats around cities
or towns or over rivers or overseas that looks anything
like that. And so that's the only two cases that
I've found where you've got people on this flying platform
holding onto handrails of some kind may seem to be
very human looking, which is which is even more incredible.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Is incredible.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I want to go back to some of the other
strange stories that you cover in the book, one in
particular about a giant woman on a church roof. Tell
us a little bit about this.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, so this is a very strange one. And I worked,
as I mentioned in my introduction about myself in broadcast TV,
and one of the places I was working at was
in an evening shift that I was working, and they
had a security guard there called Owen, and he was
in the staff canteen and I ever heard him talking
to a lady and all I heard was the worst

(48:07):
saying she was white as that fridge freezer. He's pointing
to a fridge freezer that was in the staff canteen,
and I thought, oh, that sounds spooky. Whatever he's talking about,
I'm gonna ask him what he's talking about. I said,
what are you talking about? And being nosy, and he
goes this woman I saw. I said, oh yeah, I said,
what's happened then? And he said, well, when I lived

(48:29):
in and I think he lived in one of the
Caribbean islands, and it might have been Saint Lucia, but
I'm not one hundred percent certain, but it's one of
the Caribbean islands. And he said that he was coming
out of a bar one night with his friend. Now
you think, oh, they've obviously been drinking, But I looked
into the whole thing of drinking. Drinking does not cause
her hallucinations visual ones. It might cause mine har hallucinations

(48:51):
of auditory hallucinations, like you think you might be in
hearing a voice calling you, but it may not be there.
But you don't hallucinate or people or anything like that.
But it's always the quickest thing that skeptics go to saying, oh,
they were drinking, that's why they saw it. But there's
no proof that the drinking would cause that. Now, had
they been drinking perhaps in medieval times when the drinking

(49:14):
was a lot different, when they used to put mushrooms
in alcoholic drinks, then they might have had a good
reason to suspect they seems like.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
With your mother and alcohol, you would notice less instead
of being perceptive to more.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
We would all be hallucinating strange things if there were
stuff in our alcohol. So anyway, he was coming out
of this bar with his friend, and they're going the
typical route home back to their houses. And as they
come up the hill and as they round the corner,
he said, I saw this woman sitting on the church roof.
And I laughed, and I said, what do you mean,
what's the woman doing sitting on.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
The church roof. He says she was no ordinary woman.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
She was at least fifty foot tall, and he says
she was as white as a fridge freezer. She had
long white hair, very pale white skin, a long, white
high a robe, and she was crouched and sitting over
the church roof, almost like as if it's a doll's house.
And I said, well, what happened? He said, well, I

(50:10):
saw my friend and I both saw it, and we
both sort of stopped in our tracks. And he said
his friend was so fine. His friend hid behind a gravestone,
so he automatically knew that his friend could see it,
and he says, can you see what I'm seeing? He goes, yeah, yeah,
I see it too. So they both agreed with each
other they were seeing the same thing. So if it

(50:32):
was a hallucination, they would.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Not from the church itself.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I would say as they came around the corner, they
might have been about one hundred one hundred feet maybe
something like that. But he never went into the details
of how far he was, but I would say he's
within certainly stone thrown distance, because what he decided to
do was picked up a stone or a rock that
he found in the graveyard, and this is brave of him.
He decided to throw this stone at this fifty foot giant,

(51:01):
which I wouldn't advise listeners to do, and I said,
what happened? He said, but the stone went straight through her.
But then she got up, so obviously Peter off slightly,
and she got up and started to walk towards them,
which sounds terrifying. You've got a fifty foot woman, you've
just thrown a stone, and she's walking towards you. This
is why I wouldn't advise it, so he said. As

(51:24):
she started to walk towards us, she started to shrink
in size and came down to the size of a
normal person and eventually just dissolved into the.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Ground and faded away. Wow, never to be seen again.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
But the interesting thing is is that he said, I
don't believe in ghosts and ghoulis and things that go
bump in the night. I don't believe they exist. And
yet here he was describing this weird ghostly giant test encounter.
And his friend saw it too, but he still said,
I don't believe them. It's almost like he was in
denial about the whole thing. But it's interesting again, that

(51:57):
was on a church and the strange beings that we
heard about, and the mosque examining the feet that had
the cloned feet that was in a religious building as well.
So does having some sort of religious ceremony, building, prayer
or something have something to do with it. I did
read in a John Kill book, as we mentioned John
Kill earlier, that John Kill cited a case I forget

(52:17):
where it was now, but it was in the nineteen sixties,
I think, where lots of people saw a giant lady
also on a church roof, and she was there for
an hour at least. So it's not the unique case
that you might think it be.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
It seems be.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Kind of not super common, but it's not totally out
of the realms of impossibility, although it sounds impossible, but
these people have seen these things as well. And when
I mentioned this story to a fellow paranormal research called
Andy Thomas, he mentions a friend of his who is
a guitarist in the band he's played with the many years.
And this guy is apparently very skeptical and straight and

(52:53):
you know he won't take any nonsense. But he said
that when he was a teenager he was walking through
some on the way home with his four friends, so
he had some witnesses with him, and they came across
what they saw as something like a forty foot giant
standing on the hill in a field, screaming up at
the sky whatever. He had some issue with the sky,

(53:16):
and he was screaming up in it. And he said
that all the cows were absolutely terrified and they were
running away from this giant man, and the teenagers also
started to run as well, but they all witnessed it.
But even after that, he said, there must be some
logical explanation explains it. In other words, it's not ghosts,
it's not spirits, it's not supernatural beings. It's probably some

(53:39):
big balloon man or some big prop they're making a movie.
He was trying to explain in those kind of terms.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
You know, well, that is not the first story I've
heard of giant sightings. I heard one of my friends
tell me a story about these two gentlemen that were
exploring swamps in I believe it was Louisiana after a hurricane,
and they came to an area that was not accessible

(54:08):
before the storm and hadn't been for a very long time,
and people hadn't accessed that area for a while, and
they claimed they saw a giant man that was as
tall as a tree peeking at them from behind the tree,
and it scared them so much they took off as
fast as they could in their boat. But you also
hear the Candahar Giant story and plenty of others that

(54:32):
have claimed to witness these very large humanoids.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, I cover the Candahar Giant in my Modern Nonsul
Mysteries book, which is coming out in October. Funny enough,
and there's not a lot of information on that, but
I've been doing some research and certainly the people that
initially discovered the story said that when they interviewed the
soldier who claimed to be the guy. Basically, for those

(55:00):
who don't know what the Kandahar Giant story is, Kandahar
is in Afghanistan. It is around the earlier time when
it was the Coalition of the Willing. I think it
was called going into Afghanistan after nine to eleven to
try and hunt down Bin Lajin and hunt down the
Taliban who were believed to be harboring him, and they

(55:21):
were trying to bring them to justice, and they were
looking in all sorts of caves and things, and they
had this kind of unit that had gone out looking
presumably for Bin Laden or whoever, and they had gone missing,
so they had to send out another kind of squad
to go and try and locate them. And they came
across areas where there was broken radios and helmets and

(55:45):
even fragments of human bone, and suddenly out this cave
jumped this super twenty foot giant maybe fifteen foot, not
quite sure exactly like long red hair, almost like a
caveman type of thing, but one of these great big spears,
and he basically lanced one of the spears into one
of the guys. Now, as this guy soldier that was

(56:08):
relating the story said about that particular point, this guy
was very emotional when he related that point to the researchers,
and it's clear that you know, he knew this guy
well that was killed by this giant. He was very
very emotional about it. And they said, that's something you
couldn't really fake. That came across as really genuine. And

(56:29):
so basically they all opened far in this giant and
one of them said, aim at the head, Aim at
the head, and they shot of the head and after
maybe about thirty seconds, they brought this giant down and
they noticed peculiar details about this giant that you wouldn't
make up. They noticed it had six fingers on each hand.
They noticed it had two sets of teeth, but also

(56:51):
noticed around the toes it had an almost fungal infection. Now,
if you're going to make a story about a giant,
which is say, oh, I had a fungal infection, now
they wouldn't to do it.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
But this guy noticed it.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Because they had to wait with this thing for maybe
an hour until a helicopter came and bagged it up
and took it back to base.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Basically, and they even.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Had people that were on the either a helicopter pilot
or the Hercules aircraft pilot later took it back to
the United States.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
They saw it as well under.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
A top, you know, on a big platform or something,
and they took a look at it. So they also
supported the story. But of course the Department of Defense
deny any such knowledge of things. And basically, when this
unit was asked to write up their reports, they were told, no,
you can't write that in your report. You've got to
change it. They were given their chine of commands said
you're not going to mention anything about giants at all, and.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
So that was it.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
The story is wiped clean from the official records, but
unofficially the story start to leak through and there are
back up pieces of evidence from other sources in that
region where people using night scopes to hunt out the
town and an occasion they'd see a fire in a
distance maybe two miles away, and they'd be watching the
fire and then they'd see a being stand up from

(58:07):
the fire a walk and they could tell that this
being from you know, the trees and things, was at
least fifteen again, fifteen to twenty foot tall. So other
giants were known in the region. And there's even a guy,
i think in the States now because originally from Afghanistan
who said that his grandmother used to warn about not
going into the caves because of these giants are in

(58:28):
the hills and they used to take goats out there
and leave them as offerings or something. It sounds exactly
like a Ray Harry How's a movie. It sounds absolutely crazy,
But that's the Giant of Kandahar story. And I mentioned
it in the book. But you know, if you don't
believe it. You don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
I can't prove it. It's just one of those things
that's circulating.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Because it is absolutely crazy. We've got time for another story.
Let's hear about the Dottlestone messages in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Okay, so yeah, this is coming back to the UK now.
So in Doddleston, which which is a village on the
Welsh English border, so it's kind of just below Manchester
in the north of England, straddling on the Welsh border
of England and Wales. And this teacher called Ken Webster

(59:16):
had just moved into a cottage in the village of
Dondalston and he was teaching a local school. And at
that time, this would be about nineteen eighty four. In
the winter of eighty four, they started to be given
schools were given BBC home micro computers. So the BBC,
along with a company got to get together to develop

(59:38):
these basic PCs that were more like a Doss kind
of program rather than the Windows based computers that came
on later on. And you could kind of write things
on there, like documents and say them to a floppy
disk and it's a very very basic kind of thing.
So he was allowed to bring one home to mess
around on it, to learn it so that then he
could teach the students. And he thought there was a

(01:00:01):
girl that was staying with him for a while that
she wanted to write her comedy scripts on. She was
an aspiring actress and she wanted to write her comedy
scripts on it. So she was allowed to use it
and type her comedy scripts on this thing, provide she
saved it to the disc.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
It was all good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
So sometimes they would go after the pub and come
back and they'd see the computers left on, and they'd
see the scripts had been left on and they'd been
saved to the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Disc and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
But now and again they'd find strange writing on there,
saying who are you? Does that thou have a horse?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
And stuff? What are you doing in my cottage? And
it would sign it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
LS, just the initials at LS, And they thought someone's
having them on, someone's broken into the cottage, typed a
weird message. And someone at the school where this ken
Webster worked looked at the scripts. They printed it off
and he said, this looks to me what they call
early modern English, so it's as the language developed in England.

(01:01:02):
You had old English, and then you had early Modern English,
which kind of came from that, and they couldn't really
understand what these worlds were at. But this guy could
understand it. He'd got like degrees in history and everything
like that, and he managed to use with the dictionaries
he used to start to translate what these words were meaning,

(01:01:23):
and it basically transcribed that there was this person who
called himself Lucas, who was writing from the year fifteen
eighty or something like that in medieval times. But he
was saying that he lived in the same cottage that
Ken and his partner Debbie were living in now in
nineteen eighty four, and he said he could see them

(01:01:45):
walking around his house and they were doing a lot
of renovation work there, and he said, why are you
doing this to my house? He saw them as invaders
in the house. So it's almost like as if if
somehow there was a bleed through time and he saw
them as ghosts or invade or devils or something like
that in his house. But somehow he was able to

(01:02:06):
use some device which he called a Leames boised. Then
you think on Earth is a Leams boised. But the
very clever English teacher back at the school worked out
that A Liam's boys using the Oxford Dictionary meant box
of lights and sor right, my dog's now trying to
eat my sandwich which is on my plate. So I

(01:02:30):
thought she wasn't going to pest to me, but when
this food, yeah, she does want to pest to me.
So basically, this Leam's voice was a strange box of lights,
and he basically said that some being materialized in his
fireplace in a blaze of green light, and hand it
in this box of lights, and nobody else could see it,
only he could see it. And somehow it operated when

(01:02:54):
you spoke. And so when you spoke into this and
he discovered it because his young maid servant would be
singing as she went around the house doing her chores,
and this would produce the words. He would see the
words appear in the air, not on a screen. But
it seemed to have lights coming from somewhere, and so
he set up They started dialogue in each other through

(01:03:16):
time basically, but it seemed to have elements of a
poltergeist going on. So things would be moved around the house,
things would be stacked up in the corner, the chairs,
a bee, all pile high in one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Corner of the room. When they came back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
They even called in people to investigate from the paranormal
societies and supernatural societies, and they couldn't understand what was
going on, and it still became a mystery. No one
absolutely solved it, and people have gone to forums and said, oh,
he must have been using a modem or something, this
ken Webster and has just faked the whole thing. But

(01:03:50):
ken Webster said since that time, in the second edition
of the book, the vertical Plane, that's the book if
people want to look into it further. The vertical blamed
by ken Webster is that he said if he was
using a modem, and they had no idea what amodem
was in nineteen eighty four, he said, it would have
cost him in dial up terms, obviously, because we had

(01:04:12):
no broadband or anything. If you just dial up on
the computer, it would have cost him in a region
about in nineteen eighty four money prices about eighty four
thousand pounds to do this big joke, And he said,
why would he spend that amount of money on a
teacher's salary to do this big joke to four people?

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
And so you've had people trying to work out what's
going on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Very very clever people in many later years have gone
through and examined all these texts in the book and
tried to work out if there's any clues. And one
of the strange things that came out of this was
that as well as Lucas writing in the year fifteen
eighty four or whenever it was, there was a being
that was also interceding or intercepting the messages from the

(01:04:56):
year twenty one eighty five or some twenty one thirty five,
I can't remember the year now, but some year in
the future, and it was sort of hacking into the messages,
if you like, and it was sort of saying, the
whole thing is an experiment to do with time. So
someone in the future and someone in the past, and
someone in the present of nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So the messages would first show up on the microcomputer
and then it would start manifesting in the home in
different ways.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, So eventually they boxed a computer up and they
became concerned at this being from the year twenty one
thirty five, say, was somehow hacking into the messages that
Lucas was writing from the Middle Ages, So Lucas in
the Middle Ages would start to write on pieces of
paper in his own time, and then these pieces of

(01:05:51):
paper would appear, they said, on modern day paper in
the cottage.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Somehow it could appear in the cottage. So it's very bazar.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
You can't call it a straightforward ghost story or polterguys story.
It's got all sorts of things going on, the elements
of time travel. And he also said this, Lucas that
he wrote a book of his experiences with Ken and Debbie.
And he wrote the book and he's hidden it somewhere
so that in our present time someone will find the
book and find it was all true. But to date

(01:06:21):
that book hasn't turned up yet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Well, this is fascinating, Neil. Thank you for sharing this
with us. Before we let you go, remind the audience
how they can get a hold of your book and
anything else you have out there that you'd like to
share with the audience.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Thank you. So.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Basically, if people are interested in the first set of stories,
which is called true Tales of the Paranormal, I look
into mediumship, fairies, ghosts and spirits, all kinds of sort
of things, and even I cover UFOs in that's True
Tales the Paranormal. You can buy that on your major
bookseller stores Barnes and Noble, Amazon, maybe a local bookshop.

(01:07:01):
You can order it from under the name of Neil Ward.
And it's published by Arcturist Publishing and Publishing. The commissioned
me to write a second book, which is shortly coming
out in October twenty twenty five, and that is called
Modern Unsolved Mysteries, and that covers all sorts of mysteries,
including the book we just mentioned that was sorry, not

(01:07:24):
the book the Duddleston Mysteries, which is the computer writing
through time. And we also talk about the Giant of
Candahar in there, and other strange mysteries that have yet
remained to be solved.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I love it, some of my favorite things to discuss.
Neil will have to have you back. So much more
we can get into and until next time, everyone, have
a wonderful evening. We will talk again tomorrow. We'll see
y'all then

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