Bigfoot Lance Hightower Host From Monster 911

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Bigfoot song is still flying you a pose.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
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(01:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Host Gary Anderson.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, Gary is back and he's taking no prisoners.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
And it is the twenty eighth of November. I'll tell
you times gone by so fast, jac And that is
so interesting. You know, I'm telling you I had a nightmare.
You know, I've been making these videos to promote the show.
But I did this one where the car was full
of turkeys. Remember I did the one with you were

(01:48):
on a table and there was turkeys around the table
and they were gonna carve.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, I do remember that. Matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, last night I had a nightmare sounds like a
carma nightmare. Yeah, my wife brought a new bird home.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh what kind was it?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Are you ready for this? It was a turkey, a
turkey of all birds. I mean she has there parrots
or you know, all this stuff. But I had a
dream it was a giant turkey.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, it's come and seek its revenge.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a good Thanksgiving?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah it was pretty good. Actually, actually you got it
a little bit of snow. We had a white Thanksgiving.
I guess you could say, of course, they're all melted,
but cold, very cold, So I guess winter is officially here.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Oh yeah, it's a good time to go out bigfoot, honey,
you know that it is.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
It is a good time because there's less foliage on
the trees, so you know, they don't have so much
to hide. But yes, there's now is a good time.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, you can follow their footprints and all that.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, that the snow is always a good chance to
get out there and find some I haven't been out
for a while, but I know three years ago I
did find that tree break and I did find a footprint,
but it wasn't really defined, but it was a it
was big, big.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Print, big only one footprint, only.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
One, and what had happened It was a little bit
of a side of a kind of a hill, and
what had happened the grounded gave away a little bit,
and then about fifty feet ahead was this eight foot
little sapling six inches round. Probably that eight foot up
looked like somebody took with her two hands and just
twisted it. Which and there was no other tree falls
or snowfalls were everyone called around it. I can't prove

(03:39):
it was Bigfoot, but I mean it was in an
area that was a lot of sightings, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh yeah, Well, you know tonight we have a great
show too. We're going to cover a lot of different
things about Bigfoot with Lance high Tower. And you know
he's had his u you know, investigations, you know, for
years on Bigfoot. You know a lot of people think
Bigfoot is not real. They are real. The thing is,
you're not going to find them next to your campground.

(04:06):
You're not going to find him in your backyard. You
have to go away from the population because they're not humans.
And a lot of people think that they have the
same thoughts as me and you.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
They don't, No, they don't. And that's the thing. And
even if they were similar to humans, all humans aren't good.
There's good days and bad days and different personalities. You
don't know. They're unpredictable. I think that's why.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
They're not human.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
No, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I feel sorry for people that think they have thoughts
like humans too. Yeah, no, I definitely who knows what
they're thinking. But they're smarter than the iverage animals. That
kind of makes them possibly more dangerous if you're not careful. Well,
let's find out some information about our guests. What do
you think about that? Yeah, let's do it, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Lance high Tower is one of the leading investigators in
the field of creature paranormal encounters, especially when referring to
the subject of sasquatch and a creature called dog Man.
For the past nine years, he has had one of
the most successful YouTube podcast channels in the country called

(05:22):
Monster in nine to one one, in which he interviews
eyewitnesses from all over the planet who call his nationwide
Creature Report hotline after witnessing firsthand the unexplainable and terrifying
presence of a living, breathing monster. Lance high Tower's paranormal

(05:44):
podcast show is quite unique well Lance.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Welcome to the show, my friend, and how are you doing?
And how is your Thanksgiving?

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Appreciate it? It was wonderful at family and lots of desserts.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
How many pounds did you gain?

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Oh, I don't even know. My wife actually weighs every day.
And I said, I'm going to forego it for about
a week.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I'm going to go it for about six months after
last night. How old were you when you got interested
in these hairy creatures?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
I was about, it's interesting you say that. I was
just thinking that this past week. I was right at
about seven years old, six or seven, and I was
at an old time grocery store in a very small
town of Braggs, Oklahoma. And on the bottom of this
book rack, magazine rack, there was a book, a paperback book,

(06:46):
and it cost me an entire month of allowance of
a dollar twenty five and it was I believe it
was by Lauren Green, and it was about it had
interesting pictures in there, black and whites, and it was
I think it was published in nineteen seventy four. And

(07:08):
I was hooked after that of some unknown creature monster
and it was primarily centered in the Northwest. But I
was so highly fascinated that such a creature could exist.
I was just eaten up with it. And then, of
course after that. It wasn't short after that that the
legend of Boggy Creek came out and I pestered my

(07:30):
dad for I think about every week for I don't
know how long, and finally we went to it. And
then after that, of course I had nightmares for about
six months.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
That would do it. I'd tell you that.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
But I was about seven, six or seven when I
first became smitten with it.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, you sure you know it took my encounter. I
never believed in Bigfoot at all. Lance I didn't think
they even existed because I just didn't believe it to
the point when I had my encounter, it really confused
me for a long time afterwards. It scared me. I mean,

(08:12):
everything you learned in school, you might throw it out.
Everything you learned in science, you had to throw it out.
And then you got the people say, oh, they don't exist.
Then you got the people say they do exist. Now,
out of the people that say they do exist, you
have to take a certain percentage and realize that there's
a certain percentage of people out there are totally. What

(08:35):
they say is garbage.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yes, you're right, I mean, and it's the context of
which people say they exist or don't exist too. I'm
always fascinated with. You know, people always tend to speak
in absolutes, you know, because the people that say they
don't exist, well, you know, have you ever actually been
out in the woods or have you been to the

(08:59):
local cities zoo?

Speaker 6 (09:00):
You know?

Speaker 5 (09:01):
And most of these people that speak in absolutes really
have never gone out into the woods like we were talking.
They've really never camped out out in the wilderness. And
so and that's fair, that's that's they have that choice
of belief. But the people that have been out in

(09:23):
the woods that have seen you know, and I know
my dad, he's he's been out in the woods years
and years and years, and he's taught me a lot
how to hunt and trap and track. But you know,
he he comes up with good questions and that is
and they're fair questions. How come I haven't seen one?
And the best answer I can give is that I
really can't answer that. But how do you know that

(09:45):
something has not seen you and decided not to reveal itself.
That's the question. We'll never know, because every time he's
been in the woods, he's always had a knife, a bow,
a gun, something that could be harmful to it. And
if these creatures are or these beings are as intelligent

(10:06):
as we say they are, then would you step out
in front of some human that tends to respond and
react by shooting something quickly, and especially if it's a
human that's immediately frightened, I probably wouldn't step out myself. So,
you know, it's it's very interesting dynamics of people on

(10:30):
both sides. They absolutely don't exist, they absolutely do exist.
But the people that say they do exist have had
I found, you know, most they've had they've seen something
that couldn't explain. They compare it to what they know
as far as reference to animals in the while, and
they know what it wasn't. And that's the people to say,

(10:53):
I think I saw one lance or I absolutely had
an encounter and it terrified me.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, you know, you've been doing this a long time.
If you took a percentage, how many of all the
people you've interviewed and did research on where you thought
we're telling the truth versus the ones that you figured
they're into it to further two seconds of fame.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
I would say, And I've thought about this too. I've
taken since twenty seventeen. I've actually removed two shows that
I thought I found out what I've not thought. I
found out that they were kind of pulling my leg
and hoaxing me. So two shows. I would say, in

(11:40):
my personal opinion, about ninety eight to ninety nine percent
of the people that call me have truthfully seen something.
They have experienced something. Now not all the calls revolve
around Bigfoot or dog Man. It's a whole collection this

(12:01):
past year of various creatures I don't even have a
name for. But I would say the majority of the
people that have called me. I started really getting into
more of the psychology and coping. How people cope with
the encounter and inability to cope really kind of fascinated
me with a background in healthcare, so I thought I
could still help these people kind of go through this

(12:25):
coping mechanism of what it was they saw, what was
the context, Let's try to find out together. And so
it kind of developed this trust and so other people
that normally wouldn't tell they started calling me. And so
I would say a very high percentage of the people
that call me truthfully have seen something that terrified them
that they know it wasn't human. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
The thing is, again, when a person sees something like this,
your brain goes into shock. It really does, because your
brain is denying what you're seeing.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
That's right. When we end up in this immediacy of
when we see something that we go our body first responds.
You've heard we've heard of the fight or flight so
many times, but actually there's a third element that precedes
this that's called freeze fight or flight, and this is
part of the human art or sympathetic nervous system that

(13:26):
is part of our survival. So will freeze, and during
that process, our brain is going is this human? Is
this not human? Is this animal? Is this human? Is
this not? It's in hyper speed And then so part
of the brain called the amygdala is kind of this
primitive area. It's trying to do I freeze, Do I run?
Or do I fight? And then if for whatever reason

(13:48):
you snap out of it and come back to reality,
the part of the brain that's the frontal cortex that
has logic says you need to grab your gun, you
need to run now, but run backwards. You need to
do this, you start to have this plan formulating. But
and I see this repeatedly over and over, Geary. When

(14:09):
people first have an encounter, especially a very close encounter,
your first instinct isn't to grab a camera or a firearm.
Their first reaction is what the heck am I looking at?
Is this real? Is this real? Is this happening? And
so that's why people don't get pictures or video. They're

(14:30):
trying to figure what is this? What am I looking at?
And it's just this fear and this flood of cortisol
and everything that's going through their body is just this
rush of adrenaline. And then when they figure out this
is real, this is real, I got to get out
of here or whatever their next movie is. So's it's

(14:51):
really a whole paradox of this of chemicals and emotions
when people see this, and a lot of people say
it's time slowed down. They feel time slowed down. And
usually you hear that, not in all encounters with bigfoot,
but it's a very common statement. When people have a

(15:14):
very high level of fear, they will say that. And
that is a combination of our brain trying to process
what am I looking at this looks like a monster.
I've never seen so something. People fear what they don't understand,
but more so when it looks like a monster.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh, you're so right. In the case, like with me,
I was holding a camera. Did I take a picture?
Did I actually take a picture of it when it charged? No?
Only thought I had my mind was to get the
you know what out of there, and that that's when
I took off running. Like I've said on the show before,
I left a couple thousand dollars worth of lenses on

(15:52):
the ground in a camera bag. I never went back
to get because I refused to go back in there
after my experience. I mean, you know, I don't know what.
I don't want to end up be one of the
four to one when missing.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
I didn't hear that that you left the lenses.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh yeah, I left a bunch of lenses.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
And that's another feature I've heard. I've had interviews where
the hunter dropped his gun, his three thousand dollars gun,
or I did an interview with a guy that left
like three thousand dollars worth of bow equipment, a very
expensive jacket, his lunch, a camera and left it all

(16:31):
in the tree. Fell out of the tree, broke his leg,
and climbed his way back to his truck and just
left everything. So when you hear that, you know that
in most hunters, you don't leave expensive gear on the
ground or in the tree. That is a no no.
So when you hear that, you know that they saw
something they've never seen before. Otherwise they would stay there,

(16:55):
they would get it, they would shoot at it, things
like that. But when you hear hunters say I didn't
have enough gun or I was afraid I was just
going to tick it off and they had like a
high powered rifle, that is a statement that they were
frightened because of the size, because of something they've seen

(17:15):
for the first time, and they quickly analyzed I'm going
to be in a world of hurt if I decided
to retaliate against this creature.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
How can you Because you're talking something between seven and
ten feet tall. Yes, you're talking something that's between five
hundred and probably eight hundred pound range and has huge
muscles compared to a human. And the capability what they
could do to you versus what you could do to them.

(17:45):
I mean that is, you know, to the point it's
scary now, I'll tell you a little quick story. My
uncle was an avid hunter and he would he liked
shooting bear and he liked bear meat. And this is
when I was a kid. I heard the whole story
because my dad was freaked out. So my uncle was

(18:05):
a Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta was very popular for hunters
and bigfoot hunters and this hunters in general. Years ago,
he would go hunting with his two sons and he
saw this perfect bear, so he took a shot, but
he thought he had a kill shot. It didn't kill

(18:27):
the bear, and the bear kept coming and before he
could get a second shot off, the bear was mauling him.
And his son managed to kill the bear, but he
was in the hospital for a month. They didn't even
know if he was going to survive because that mauling
of the bear, and he had scars like you wouldn't

(18:49):
believe that would never go away. If you're out there
looking for a bigfoot or anything, there's, like we were
talking before the show, there's other creatures out there that
could attack you, not just big foot.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Yes, you're right, and I'm going to say even though
these creatures, these beings obviously exist, that the likelihood of
being attacked by something is going to be more so
in line with the natural indigenous creatures of that particular area.
Like you and I were talking people, it just you know,

(19:27):
bewilders me when people go out and they don't have
a means to protect themselves. They just have a camera.
They're walking down a trail they've never been down, and
they have no means besides, they're two legs to run.
But you have mountain lions, you have cougars, you have bears,
you have coyots that could pack up. You have rogue dogs,
you have wild hogs or bares out there. And you're

(19:47):
run into a pack with a sow, she's got her piglets.
You got a problem on your hands. So there's a
whole host of things that could go wrong really fast,
just with indigenous wildlife. And I tell people plan, have
a game plan, have a plan B, A C, and
a D. Because you said it well, Gary, I mean,
I don't want to be a David Politis missing for

(20:08):
one one person. And even mister Politis talks about not
only weather conditions being a factor and people being you
know missing, but the indigenous wildlife. You know, people break
an ankle, they fall off, and you know, they knock
themselves out on a slippery rock crossing a creek or
a stream. They wake up and you're surrounded by being

(20:31):
drug off by a pack of wolves or something who knows.
But having contingency plans, telling people where you're at and
going and try not to go by yourself is always
a good plan.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I would never recommend going by yourself, because what happened
if you did. You're out five miles and you slip
and you break your leg or your your ankle or whatever.
How are you going to get back? Who's going to
find you? And you know, if you're out in that situation,
your life expectancy is short.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Trust me, Yes, you're right, and you know there's these creatures.
There has been some cases and even some of the
works of David Politis work that I've interviewed people, where
there has been some apparent cases where the Sasquatch bigfoot

(21:21):
have assisted people that were hunters that were injured. But
in the grand scheme of it, not that you know,
maybe it just falls along the type of person that
calls me, but more than not, the majority of the
Sasquatch close encounters are very cautious. The Sasquatch cautious, and

(21:47):
they have an element of bearing, some level of teeth,
of growling of and in some cases it is rare,
in some cases acting very much like your encounter, where
it's highly aggressive, and if the person did not act
and remove themselves from the situation, they don't know what

(22:10):
would have happened. They don't think they would have been there.
They are no longer alive.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, you know, I got to know the medicine woman.
This is years ago for the Mucleshoot Indian tribe, and
also because my daughter married into the tribe, and after
that marriage, she married into the n Squally tribe in
Washington State, and I got to know the medicine man
there and I talked to him, you know, because I've
always been intrigued with my encounter a big foot. So

(22:36):
I asked some questions, and the questions I got from
the muccle Shute. You know, the medicine woman told me
this that back in the eighteen hundreds and before that,
and even in the nineteen hundreds and nineteen twenties that
you know, they would be out there and the women

(22:57):
would be washing their the clothing and they would have
the babies there and a bunch of bigfoot would run
through and grab the babies, grab the women. They'd also
run into the village and run out with you know women,
and then the warriors would go out, you know, looking

(23:18):
for their loved ones, and they didn't find them alive.
And the quality tribe is it's down by the ocean
and then forests around there. It was a big forest area.
It still is for logging. Again, they talked about bigfoot
would actually come in and attack them, and they would

(23:42):
go back and then you know, try to kill off
some of them. Here's the point is that it tells
you that, yeah, they have intelligence, but where is it at?

Speaker 5 (23:54):
You know, you hit on a good point is that
some of these and you know it varies, but in
certain groups or in certain discussions, it conferences people. You've
always got people that splinter off and say, well, they're
always nice, they always will befriend you, or everybody knows
that they only attack if you do this or if

(24:16):
you do that. And I guess I'm of the premise
or belief that I don't I'm very cautious about this.
I don't trust what they're going to do or not do,
because I think you said it best scary. Their thinking
is not like a human to They don't think the
same way as a human. They have some tendencies that

(24:39):
are human like, but for the most part, they're very reactive.
We don't know what's going on in their brain or
context of what happened prior to seeing them. So I
am the belief I would not trust an encounter. If
I had one up close at all, I would be

(25:01):
very cautious. I would be watching body language and I
just you know, I wonder what went on with that
conversation that you had with that medicine man. I'm fascinated
to find out what had had previously, what had happened
previously for them to go through and take the children

(25:21):
and the women, And I mean that just that's that's
terrifying to think of.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, you know what I was told, it was going
on for a long period of time. You know, they
didn't write things down like we do, and you know,
the storytell about what happened. But here's the thing. If
you talk to other Indian tries, even in California, and

(25:46):
if you get to know people and they bring up Bigfoot,
they all have the same type of information to share
with you, and that tells me. You know, they didn't
have internet, they didn't have a phone to call up, Hey, Henry,
we just had a bunch of big foot comfor the
you know, the village. Why is that that they can

(26:08):
depending on the tribe, Even in Florida, all the different tribes,
they all talk about bigfoot, they all talk about them
being aggressive.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah, I don't that's that's very interesting. I'm not sure
of that. That's a And you know, this gets into
things where people will talk about legends and folklore and
and tales that are told. And this is why you
know that a langage that you hear somewhere in the
middle of these lies of the truth. And I think

(26:43):
because there really wasn't a written language during that time.
You know, these stories started dying off, or they may
have gotten stretched out a little bit, but they start
dying off. And so when you hear these stories again,
people just automatically so, oh, that was just to keep
the kids in and get them in because it's getting late.

(27:04):
And I've heard that, and I'm like, well, I don't
think so there might be more truth to that legend
than what you think.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, I will say this, we need to take a
break and then we'll come back and continue on even
about you know, DNA with them. But here's what I
was told. They're cannibals. That's what I was told. They're cannibals.
And I heard that from two medicine a medicine woman
and a medicine man from two different tribes from different
parts of the state of Washington. So that makes me

(27:35):
wonder if they were. And again, they're not humans. So
if they look at a human or another animal, they
don't digest, Oh, they're human. We're going to be friends
with them. I just don't buy that. So I'll be
back with Lance right after this, so stay too well.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I know it's kindly.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
I hope I didn't waken, But what I've got to
say it can't wait.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
I know you'd understand.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Every time I tried to tell you, the words just
came out wrong. So I have to say, here love,
you did a song.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's kind strange.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Every time I'm near you, I just run out.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Of things to say. I know you'd understand. Every time
I tried to tell you, the words just came out wrong.
So I have seen it.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
In from the Great Northwest d and the forest shadows.
This is forbidden realm. And now here's Gary.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
And we are back with Lance. And last my question
to you is DNA. I know that there's people have
collected it. There was a lady who actually analyzed it
and said, well, it's not human and we can't figure
it's not bear. I don't know what to classify it.
But then her reputation was what she did was damaged

(29:47):
because nobody really wants to take the DNA of somebody
claiming it's a bigfoot, and plus the cost of to
send off the DNA and get the report and all
that a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
It is.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
And that study was My brother and I read that
study on one show just to put it in kind
of frank terms and kind of layman terms, and we
found that it was actually a very well done study.
And she really did the study very very well. And two,

(30:25):
really you're assuming a lot of things. You're assuming that
the researchers that go out in the field are collecting
a true specimen of a DNA specimen from this creature.
And then the next thing is to have viable tissue,
enough tissue that can be procured for the study. And

(30:48):
then you hit it on the head. Most people can't.
You're talking millions of dollars worth of equipment, and so
some of this equipment is usually at university, these medical
universities or medical schools or hospital facilities, and that can
afford this high level equipment to look at the DNA

(31:09):
and to classified appropriately. So it takes a lot of money,
a lot of men and woman power to do and
you have to have the right equipment. So it's just
not something you can go down to a lab and
get done in fifteen minutes, and so it's a lot
of effort and in her findings, basically you hit it.
She said that this was almost a separate species. And

(31:31):
she faced a lot of backlash and ridicule over this. Unfortunately,
not only from the universities that she submitted this the
specimens to, they didn't want anything to do with this,
but some of the backlash, a majority of it came
from the very people that she was trying to work with,
you know, not necessarily in her group, but people in

(31:52):
the community. Was kind of kind of the back against her,
so to speak, and it was really disappointing to hear.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, it really wrecked her reputation and caused her a
lot of financial hardship. I mean a lot of people
are threatening her with her life even that's how bad
it got. But you know, here's the other thing. Okay,
most people go out there and try to collect DNA
on this stuff. They read books, they don't know how

(32:25):
to do it. So, I mean, the stuff, the chance
of if you go out there and try to collect DNA,
unless you know what you're looking for and how to
do it, is going to be contaminated.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, and it's it's true. Most of it will be.
If you're you know, if you're picking it up with
your fingers, you can't do that. It has to be uh.
And even if you pick a hair up that does
not really classify that, you can take it and then
you can get the DNA. You're you're really looking for
something with hair with a follicle with you on it

(33:01):
and so, and if you do that, it could be
contaminated of the surrounding environment. If you don't use semi
sterile techniques and you have a glove or you put
it in a sterile type of specimen tube, there's a
whole host of possible contaminations or false positives or negatives
that you can get and that's the thing that this

(33:22):
researcher did very very well, is she actually measured all
the possible ways that contamination could exist in her specimens,
and she got great results, so much so that the
universities and these facilities where she did the testing, they go,
we don't want any part of it. After she said

(33:42):
she tested it, but did not include her results. She
actually just went off the results in the field and
when they came back they matched her results, which was
a different species entirely.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, you know again, you know, if you think about this,
I had on two weeks ago. Christopher George was a
law enforcement ranger, park ranger. He also was in charge
of a lot of forest land before he retired, and
he told us stories and you know, and I had

(34:14):
him on the show a couple of times through the
years of things that you know, like footprints in the snow,
bigfoot that go out to a certain point and then
stop and it was no sign of turning around and
going back. Now, a lot of people say, oh, he's

(34:34):
just a park ranger, but he's in the law enforcement
side of it, and a lot of people don't realize it.
They actually have more training than a lot of police
departments have with their police officers, so I mean, you know,
they do multiple things. So and he talked about again
even rangers. Park rangers would disappear, and a lot of

(34:56):
people disappear, and then they you know, the surface law
hides the information where nobody can get a hold of it.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah. I that still baffles me. With prints in the
snow and then they just disappear. I you know, my
natural inclination would be, is there any trees around in
the area that could have jumped from a tree from
that point in time?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
How about a portal? Pardon me, a portal, because you
know I had yeah coc who said that we're so
close to cracking the fifth dimension. I was reading a
science journal last week that you know, we're very now
close to cracking the fifth dimension, which then means portals

(35:41):
could exist parallel universe, you know, could all come together.
So maybe you know, like people claim that when they
see a bigfoot, some people claim there's a portal there
and that the bigfoot walks into the portal and vanishes
or it comes out of a portal. Have you heard
anything like that?

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well, I have not so much, not a lot. In
the interviews that I've done, but more so in the
readings with the Missing four one one with David Politis,
I've seen a lot of that where the investigators will
come to a site and the person that they're trying
to find just the trail goes dead, it goes cold,

(36:25):
the tracking dogs, everything goes cold. And they're actually in
the middle of a field and or on a rocky
mountain and it just goes cold. I've not countered so
much of that. In the interviews that I've done. People
have found prints and tracks that go off and they

(36:47):
continue but they just stop following them because they're afraid.
They start getting in deeper, darker forest, or they go
extensively in a distance they just don't want to follow
and they get a little afraid. But I've not encountered
so much of that where they just go cold like that,
and the possibility of a portal.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, but it just makes me wonder, you know, some
of this stuff, you know, could be you know, from
another dimension. Because he also mentioned that him and another
arranger again law enforcement, there was a fatality auto accident
and one of the you know campgrounds, and they had

(37:31):
a block off the road and they had the flares
out and as they were waiting for the paramedics to
come because they couldn't do anything more. At that point,
they were next to their vehicle and talking for a
minute on the passenger's side and they looked somehow one
of them looked in the side of the cab of

(37:51):
the truck and saw on the reflection of a hideous
monster on the passenger front door or window. And then
the other ranger looked, and it's scared. It scared him,
terrified him, and then put that was.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Gone, Yeah, it's and that's happened in the least likely
areas too. I mean, that's what catches people off guard.
You know, we're told as kids that monsters don't exist.
That you know, we're frightened. We jumped to the bed
at night when we flipped the light off to the room,

(38:28):
and we make sure our parents look in the closets
and under the bed. And then as an adult, on
the least likely day that a person's ready to go
hunt that first deer season, they're feeling good, you know,
the first time they've been away from the job, or
someone is dumping trash in an alleyway and the alleyway

(38:48):
is very close to the outskirts of a tree line,
or a farmer is playing a field and see something
in the tree line. It's that split second moment that
they find out that and people have used this quite
a bit. Is that are not really into the bigfoot phenomenon.
Is they'll say I saw a monster lance. I didn't

(39:09):
know they existed, but I saw this thing and it
was massive, and or I saw this thing as big
as it was. How does that thing move so freaking fast?
And so in a split second they find out that
the reality that these things exist, and so at that
point in time, you know, fear goes through them. It

(39:30):
depends on the distance of this encounter or the sighting.
And then the next level is this obsessive, compulsive I
gotta know more, I gotta know more. What is who?
How come no one told me about this? I interviewed
a lady a few months ago that had a terrible encounter.
Her and a friend, Meck in high school in Tennessee.

(39:50):
They went out to a national park and I asked her,
why did you contact me? She said, I want to
let everyone know if I could tell the world that
these creatures. How come no one told us that these
things exist? If we would have known, we would have
been more cautious. We wouldn't have gone as far in

(40:11):
the woods. We would have taken more people with us.
At least we would have had some background or knowledge
of their existence and known what to do and not
to do. She said, But we didn't know. We had
an encounter, a very very close encounter, and it really
has bothered them for a long time, so much so

(40:33):
that her friend, we believe she just couldn't handle coping,
and unfortunately she took her life.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, you know, the stress. I still have nightmares, you know,
after all that. You know, I'll go months without having
a dream, and then all of a sudden, you know,
I wake up in a sweat and I had a
dream of my encounter. You know, it was not a
friendly thing. In fact, it even destroyed my friendship. And
we were really good friends because he was just opening

(41:01):
up his medical practice. His father was a superior court
judge and Pierce County. His brother was a criminal attorney
in Pierce County, and they were bankrolling his new uh,
you know, his office, and he was terrified if it

(41:24):
got out that he saw a bigfoot, people aren't going
to go see him as a doctor, they would be
scared off of him.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
You know, that is an extremely good point, Gary, is
that people. You know, we've always been told people fear
to talk in front of people, up on stage and everything,
but I think there's more fear in what people think
about you. The fear of ridicule and embarrassment is extremely strong,
and especially if you're in a particular career occupation. And

(41:53):
I've seen this over and over again, and this is
why I say, for every person that calls me or
directly or emails me and I get to interview them,
I say there is at least two to three dozen
more for every call that comes in that will never
cock to anybody because they've kept their encounter so close

(42:16):
to their chest. They are afraid of ridicule, embarrassment, or
they're just afraid they might lose their job, they're going
to be viewed as a nut, as cuckoo, and so
they just they will go to their grave not telling anybody.
They might tell a couple people. But also there's generational
issues where you know, certain generations you just didn't talk

(42:38):
about that stuff, you just kept it close, and then
other generations might talk about it, but they're still very
cautious on who they tell. And you know, I always
like to tell people, especially enter the people i'm interviewing,
it's okay to be cautious with who you tell your
story to. Because even Jordan Peterson, who's kind of like
the thinker of our day, he says, be careful who

(42:59):
you sh good information with and bad information with because
it can harm you either way. And so I just say,
really be cautious who you share it with. And this
is why it's important, and I think it works well
for me and my show is we've had some encounters
and I know where they're coming from, and people will
have triggers, like you, you know, there's a trigger for

(43:21):
whatever it was. Something will trigger a smell of memory
and they'll take them back to that moment and they feel,
especially when they're retelling it and they start hyperventilating, they
have to they may cry, they have to slow down,
and I'll say, go get a drink, come back, it's okay,
it's okay, take your time. And because talking about it
is a trigger, they're reliving that moment, that event that

(43:42):
was very real, it was very substances, it was very raw,
and they just puts them back in that moment, and
that's when you know that this person is not fibbing you.
They saw something that they just have no explanation for.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, here's the point. Twenty years ago, if you were
with a group of people and somebody start talking about
UFOs or grays, you know, the ets, you kind of
would look at the people, looked at their shoes and
go after their face and look at them and take
a couple of steps back, and you say yourself, I
think this person's crazy. And that has totally changed because

(44:23):
of what has happened in the last year or two.
It's gone but bizarre. You have people that have had
real encounters, and you had a lot of people out
there whistleblowers that are into it for the money nothing more,
and they're lying. But here's the same thing though with Bigfoot.
We don't have a real disclosure movement like they have

(44:45):
right now with the UAPs. And here's the thing, it
is real. I mean, if you look at what happened
in Alaska, if you look at all these different things
were you know, if he puts exists, you know, it's
proof that they exist. Now, the question I have with
you is why haven't the hell we find found a body.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Yet well, I think we have, Gary. I think it
just depends on who you're asking that question too. So
if you're asking the question to me, as Lance the
podcast host, the researcher going in the field and doing
all these interviews, I'm going to say I personally have it,

(45:29):
nor do I know anyone personally next to me that has.
But so as a civilian have not. Researchers find specimens,
clumps of hair that we cast, prints, we hear vocalizations,
we hear tree crashes, tree twist, branch breaks, tree structures.

(45:50):
But now if you're asking me saying, well, the other
part of that question is have we found a body?
How do we have we Do we know what the
anatomy internally looks like in the physiology, I'm going to
say yes, but it's not a civilian level. I'm going
to say this falls underneath another Why a lot of

(46:11):
these instances, these encounters and sightings get suppressed is that
in doing this, and I was green at all this
when I got started, but I started finding out through
eyewitnesses and through my computer and phone having some funny
business happen to it, that there is a group of

(46:31):
people exactly who they work for, we don't know. They
don't divulge it. I know many times they've been given
the Moniker MIBs. But I think that this group has
part a non governmental entity attached to it, like a
contracted group, as well as I think there might be

(46:54):
some aspects of it that are like special forces aspects
to it. And I think these people are very well
schooled on how to conduct questions and in some cases
more or less you could say, even a psychological profiling
in other words, And if you're questioned and they come
to you, they already know everything about you. They're just

(47:16):
seeing how truthful you're going to be. But they're very,
very vague and open ended in their questions. I've had
this happen dozens of times of people that's contacted me
having a close encounter with a sasquatch or a dog man.
And these people show up out of nowhere and they
catch you when you're by yourself, and they'll just say
we hear you have a problem. They don't say sasquatch,

(47:39):
they never say creature, monster, dog, They'll never be descriptive.
We hear you have a problem, or you just those
or if you catch when on what they're asking, it
would be it would behoove you to never talk about
that you saw a bear, Miss Jones, you saw a bear.
Good day, and boom, they're gone. You know, they leave,

(48:01):
they depart, they get in a car, they drive off,
and in some cases you look back, they're just like disappeared.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Gone.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
So you have this group that's out there that's suppressing
some of this. Now what percentage, I don't know. But
you've got this group that's out there. And that's the
part that I have a very hard time trying to
tell an eye witness, by the way, what you saw
the creature. It's real, it is real. And I'm very
hesitant sometimes to talk about part B of these people

(48:31):
because I'm trying to see and get a feel for
how much I want to make sure and feed them
with a spoon. Rather than trying to shove an elephant
and say eat, you know, I want them. I'm trying
to spood feed the the eyewitness to not overwhelm them
too much.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Well, I can I ask you a question. I heard
from a very reliable source about two years ago that
the government military has a group that goes out and
hunt them down.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Wouldn't surprise me. It would not surprise me. I suspect
through if I was going to form a group, If
Lance was going to form a group, how would I
form it? What would I do? Well, I would have
I would use and this is just me now, I
would use AI to monitor all the possible radio sources,

(49:30):
computer sources, cell phone sources, and have keywords or phrases
that would come up quick in order to isolate where
the next sighting, encounter or engagement was with a human being. Next,
I would have a team that would go out that
would isolate and find these creatures. Then I would have
this same team would also eliminate, and then I would

(49:54):
have an extraction crew come in, take all evidence in
the area, take these beings out, them out, drive them out, whatever.
And then I would have a follow up of these
people that goes through and kind of quarantines people just
to make sure that to see how stubborn they are
and seeing what they saw.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Well, I have even heard even some of the people
who have talked about it have vanished. So here's the point,
you know, And somebody asked me one time, well, why
would a government do that? Well, it's say there is
a connection of the DNA to humans that would throw

(50:34):
off everything we have ever learnt in school, in college,
and in science about how humans evolved. Just throw it
in the garbage.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Yeah, I mean, you hit it right on the head.
I think not only would it throw it in the garbage,
but I think I still ask myself and revolve around
in my mind that same question, and I think it
really comes down to a revenue standpoint. I think these
creatures have been responsible for human abduction. Not in every case,

(51:11):
there are humans unfortunately that do bad things to humans
and unfortunate weather circumstances and people getting lost just out
of their not planning. But I think these creatures have
been responsible for abductions. I think that if you let
this out, that these creatures have been out, they have
abducted humans. They have been around for many years, they

(51:33):
are nomadically roaming across the United States freely. I think
if you just let this out, and there might be
a connection with the Christian doctrine, with Genesis and the Nephlum,
And if even that so, I think, you know, if
there's a connection with the Christian doctrine, if there's a
connection with revenue, I think You've got this team of

(51:56):
people that operate on a master and security level that
they feel they're protecting the public. So they can't let
this out. It would cost billions and billions and licensing
and revenue loss that there'd be no way they would
let that happen.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
So they keep it close, they keep it quiet, they
suppress this information, and they truly feel most likely that
they're protecting the public.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well, they also again it goes to the standpoint, no
one's going to go out and to the woods. No
one's going to use any of the federal grounds to
go out because they would be terrified if the government
came out and said these creatures exist. I mean, the
loss of income would be huge.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Oh, it'd be at the billions of dollars. Just I
saw where just Yellowstone or Yosemite alone in annual income,
including the local towns that they're by it, they generate annually.
I can't remember which of those five hundred million to
eight hundred million dollars a year. So and then you

(53:12):
hit it. I'm glad you hit on this. We're very
much the way I look at it, very much an
analogy to the UFO community. There have been high brass
officials whistle blow on the UFOs, the UAP phenomenon. But
we really haven't had any military whistleblowers in this creature,
cryptid community yet, and that's why we don't. I think

(53:35):
it very much parallels the UFO community with the suppression
of information for decades, but we haven't had that deep,
unacknowledged program project level of whistleblowing going on because no
one has stepped forward yet. And I in that environment

(53:56):
of this black operations, and I do believe it's a
black operation. In a dark operation, they don't whistle blow
too much because, like you said earlier, they may not
come back. Even the whistle even the watchers are being watched.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well, you know, if you really think about it, loggers,
there's been so many going back in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
even in my state where they would be out, you know,
chopping trees down deep in the you know, in the woods,
miles away from civilization, and they heard tree knocks, they

(54:31):
saw things that looked like a giant bear but more human.
I mean, it's all been reported, not just in our country,
but if you think about it worldwide, this has been
going on in folklore. If you go into China, if
you go into all these other countries, they have these
type of creatures, and you know, again it goes back.

(54:54):
So it goes back hundreds of years or more. It
tells me that these are they do exist.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
They absolutely do. And you have people from all walks
of life, all cultural backgrounds, all denominations reporting these creatures.
And these are people. Most of the people that I
interview were never into this phenomenon. They were just your everyday,

(55:24):
hard working American that wants to go to work, that
wants to take their family out of vacation, that goes
get groceries, pays their bill. They're really not. They don't
go to conferences, they don't follow a podcast show. These
are the first time eyewitness accounts and they have an
encounter and they want to find out what they saw,

(55:45):
and so that's where they investigate. They look online and
they find me or they find someone else and they
start looking at this going, oh my gosh, other people
have seen this too. I'm not crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I don't know if you have found this like other
like like what I talk about mainly is UAPs and
all kinds of stuff. But here's the problem. Look, when
it comes to UAPs, you got literally thousands and thousands
of podcasts that give a lot of hype. They spread bs,
they don't care if it's true or not, because all

(56:16):
they care about is ratings, clickbait. Are you finding that
at all? Is what you do too, there's a group
of them doing the same type of thing.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Yeah, and I do believe that's so. I'm in the
process of writing a book right now and one of
the chapters is talking about podcasts, and like anything, it's
almost you know, this pereto principle, this eighty twenty rule,
I think applies just about everything universally. And I think
that since YouTube has come out, that you can monetize

(56:48):
or make a living at it is that you know people,
if you the key that you have when you're a
podcaster is you need content, constant content, and you need
to be consistent on putting that content on. And if
you have constant content and a lot of people don't
have it, So what I think happens is either they're

(57:11):
retelling someone else's content in a different way or manner,
which you can do that, or if you can't find it,
you make it up. So I always say I have
people sending me pictures and videos all the time, and
I would say probably ninety five percent are hoaxed. Now
with AI getting better and better and better, we're going

(57:31):
to see more of it. And I think that a
lot of stories, especially people, because you have the cryptid community,
has the story scary story time podcasts versus a podcast
that people are being interviewed and tell their account of

(57:51):
what they saw. So there is kind of that division.
But sometimes people don't care if it's real or not.
They just want to be scared. But when you talk
to an eyewitness who had an encounter very similar what
you had, they take offense to that it hit them
personally and they have triggers and they still have nightmares

(58:11):
years and years later, and they take it personally. They
don't like people talking about this as if it was
just the easter bunny or make belief stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Well, I agree one hundred percent with you again too,
is you know podcasting Because I've been in broadcasting since
nineteen seventy and what I have found here in the
last two three years that it has gone to you
know what, because everybody wants to be a podcaster. They

(58:41):
don't know what they're doing, and they spread a lot
of gossip or misinformation thinking oh, you know, that's going
to get me more listeners, and it's really out of control.
A lot of people say, well, hey, you know, how
come you have is this many subscribers? And I don't, well,
you know what, I don't. I don't spread garbage. I

(59:02):
will never did that.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Yeah, I see this, and that you hit it right
on the head again, Gary, is that a lot of
people they will you know, I don't like this person.
I don't like this person, and this group is wrong,
and this group is right, and they believe it's by
people know their quadrupeds and they're on the hominin. No,
it's hominoid. I don't get into that, honestly, I just

(59:26):
know this. Treat everybody with kindness and respect. Do not
judge anyone's story. I wasn't there, but I do want
to hear it because we can always learn from an encounter,
just like I learned from yours just now a moment ago.
And the thing that I've realized, stay neutral, be professional,
be kind, ask good questions, give time for them to

(59:50):
you know, speak. And I don't get into all of
that that that the garbage and people talking back and forth.
I really I'm out of tune with it, and I'm
glad I am. I've got enough business busyness with my
show and the people that call in, and then outside
of that, I'm doing chores on my homestead and stuff.
I just kind of intentionally stay away from that, and

(01:00:13):
because I just don't think it's good for podcasters or
people in radio in general. And I just think that
people want to hear something different, professional, non judgmental, and
given analysis of what I think afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
And you're right now, we got to take this break
and we'll come back. We'll take one or two calls,
or we'll try to anyway, and we'll be back with
Lance right after this.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
And we are back. The first thing I want to
say is, you know we have two Great Danes, a
German shepherd, and I find that if you feed well
your animals like human type of food, they're going to
live a lot longer. Our last dog lived to twenty
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(01:03:08):
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which is very unhealthy for your animal. That's why we
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Since we have done that, I've noticed their coats have
gotten nicer. And our great Danes are pushing eight years old,
and they were getting to the point where they didn't
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Now we're back with Lance, and you know we got
a color. Let's take the color and see what they
have a question about. Okay, who do we have?

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
This barm Hi barb? How are you doing? And did
you have a great Thanksgiving?

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
Yep, I get turkey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Okay, what's your question for Lance?

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Well, first, I want to thank you for being on
the show. You seem like you're really very very good
guests to have on here, and I wanted to ask
you if you've ever had any calls from Ohio or
done any research in.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Ohio, and that it's amazing you asked that question, Barb,
that one of the in fact most terrifying sasquatch encounters
came out of Central Ohio. And I took that call
back in two and seventeen we were still kind of

(01:04:33):
a new podcast show, and you can go back and
listen to that show. But it's basically where two cousins
were attacked by a sasquatch while fishing and the cousin
up in the boat was having rocks thrown and he
saw something on this island that was out in this reservoir,
and he had one cousin. He said, take me up there.

(01:04:55):
The cousin reluctantly took him, you know, with the trollo
motor up to the shore, and therefore what ensued was
an attack. The one cousin brought the other cousin in,
for lack of a better word, all hell broke loose.
They called the game Department police and ended up in
the hospital and it played out like this incredible movie.

(01:05:19):
And the cousin was baffled that I was interviewing. He
called me three days later, was still in shock, was
in trauma, and I kind of walked him through what
was going on and it just what ensued was just incredible.
How these people that were on the scene really tried
to suppress the whole thing that ever happened, and to
this day he's still being monitored. That is one site

(01:05:43):
that I want to go back and take my listeners
and go to that very site of what happened and
where it happened.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Thank you, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Well, good questions, Barb, Yeah, great question. You know again,
there's been so many reports of you know, bigfoot, actually
hunters disappearing when they go out, law enforcement going out
looking for the person that is, like never came back home.
They found bits and parts of their clothing. They found

(01:06:18):
in one case, I can't remember which one it was,
where a rifle is wrapped around a tree. I don't
know any human unless you're arnold it could do something
like that. And I don't think he could do that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
No, I mean you're talking. You know a rifle is
tempered steel. I mean this is hard hard. It has
to it has to contain high compustible explosive that is,
you know, directed in a certain direction obviously, and so
for something to do that like that, no human can do.

(01:06:52):
And you know, I encountered some neighbors as a crow
flies for me about three and a half miles and
they have what's called bullwire, and bullwire is about the
diameter of your pinky, and it still contained bulls. It
a usually comes into sixteen foot panel with about six
inch squares and it's just tougher than nails. There's no
way a human can bend this stuff. And I went

(01:07:14):
over there and she had She informed me that her
turkeys and her chickens were all running loose one morning
and this bullwire had been pushed to the ground like
a banana peel, and she was trying, she had her
son trying to run over it to straighten out so
she could repurpose it and reuse it. And I said, oh,
wait a minute, can I have that? She says, well, okay,

(01:07:38):
And I said, I'll get you a new one, and
she said, no, no, no, it's okay, just take it
lance and I still have it. And there's no way
a human could do that. There's no way a human
can ben that. I tried personally on one end of it.
There's no way. There's no way. And so we know
that something other than a human did this, and what
else would do this? Near a chicken or a guinea farm,

(01:08:01):
or she had turkeys, guineas, and chickens and she was
actually missing some so we suspect that. And she lives
near this core land where deep bottom woods really creepy,
and we suspect that she'd had some sasquatch problems going on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Now you have you ever seen one?

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
I have.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
I was about seven years old, and I lived outside
of Bragg's, Oklahoma, And Braggs is kind of noted because
it's where the Hurricane Katrina, where the Camp Gruver's at.
But Braggs is just a small little community. It's near
Greenleaf State Park and we lived about five miles outside
on the sand hills. The roads are literally grated, and

(01:08:45):
I was passed to put some straw on a garden,
on some strawberries. My dad worked in Muskogee, and of course,
like any typical seven year old, I procrastinated to the
last part of the day, and I realized if I
didn't hurry up get done, then my heinie would feel it.
So I rushed out to the garden, which was a
ways from the house near the woodline, and I went

(01:09:06):
to the back of the garden, which was nearest the
tree line, and I was putting straw on and I
was just doing my thing. And normally you hear whipper
wheels in the evening and birds and chirping, and all
of a sudden, I just remember I stopped because everything stopped.
There was no sound, and as a seven year old,
I thought, that's so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
And so I'm looking around like I don't understand, and something,
for whatever reason, told me to squat down. And I
squatted down, and I'm looking and I'm looking west, so
now the sun's not in my eyes, and I'm looking
into the trees and the saplings, and I see this figure,
a silhouette of I could see a head, no neck, shoulders,

(01:09:46):
really white shoulders. I can see the gap between the
torso and the arms, and then the hands kind of
fade into the grass and the feet. I couldn't see
the feed. It just kind of faded in the Johnson grass.
And I see this thing and I'm yelling, hey, I
think it's a human, someone trying to play a trick.
I don't smell anything, I don't hear anything, but I
see this silhouette and it just creeped me out. And

(01:10:10):
I'm looking at this thing, yelling, hey, you better stop it.
I start backing up. I dropped my straw. I back up,
I get on my bike. I tell my mom and
she comes out. She goes, show me, show me. I
said it was right here, and I looked and it
was gone. I said it was right there, and my mom,
being mom, she goes, well, okay, Lance, just go ahead
and get the stump for your dad comes home. Well

(01:10:32):
later that night, or I think it was that night.
By my bedroom window, I had growling outside the window
and I was on the top bunk and my mom
being short, she couldn't reach the curtains to the top,
and so there was a gap open that the window
I could see out. And when I heard the growling,
I woke up and I didn't know why I woke up.

(01:10:53):
Everybody was asleep, and I'm like, why did I wake up?
And I'm looking at the ceiling, and then I heard
this low outside my window, and I could tell it
was right up high near where I was at. And
I didn't ever turn to look because I just had this.
If I would have looked, I was afraid that I

(01:11:14):
would see something that I couldn't remove from my memory.
For a life. So I was trembling so bad in bed.
I was in shock that I woke my brother up
from the bottom bunk, who said kept yelling my name
and I couldn't get my name out, And finally he
got out of bed and poked me. He didn't like it,
so he went and got my mom. She came in,

(01:11:34):
she checked my head, did I have a fever? And
finally I got the words out, I'm fine, I'm fine,
I told my parents again. Of course his parents, Oh
you'll be fine, Lane. She had a bad dream. But
I know what I experienced now. I didn't see it
like face to face. I was too frightened. But that
was my experience at seven years old.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Out there. Now, you didn't go under the bed or
pull the blanket over you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
I didn't because I was afraid if I moved that
something would happen. It'd busts through the window because these
you know, these are the single pane windows, so there
was probably quite a bit of air that could get around.
You know, back in they all sweat during the winter,
and I just I just froze. You know that that
primitive part of the brain says freeze. Well, I froze

(01:12:19):
and I didn't put a sheet o. I was just
staring at the ceiling and I was trembling so bad,
and I so vividly remember that, and I scared my
brother because he didn't know what was going on. But
the other thing too, is there was a night light outside,
a vapor light, and I normally could see the shadow
on the wall. Well during this time that the light

(01:12:41):
was covered, it was dark at the window, so I
knew something was there. And then by the time my
brother poked me, I was looking on the ceiling and
looking at and there was a light and I'm thought, Okay,
whatever it was was gone. So I started to calm down,
and that's when my voice came back. And that's what
I remember seven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
And that is what lewits you your whole life, hasn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
That was the start of it. My brother Lane had
an encounter west of Watonga, Oklahoma that really really put
me in full swing after that, and it took him.
This was back in ninety three, but that is on
my podcast show, It's my Brother Lane. He an incident
near the North Canadian River. What happened basically a friend

(01:13:30):
of his and they haven't seen each other in a while.
They go into town. They do grab some beer, some ice,
some fishing tackle, some bait, and they they're going to
go west of town and my brother's friend said, Hey,
I know a good place to go fishing. It's an
old party location where the high schoolers go and it's
kind of remote and nobody will bother us. And my

(01:13:52):
brother said, sure, I'll go. So they my brother leaves
his vehicle and his friend's place. They take his truck
and they go out there and it's about three miles
outside of town and you kind of have to go
down this section road, that section road, this section road,
and finally get to the North Canadian River. They back
the truck in and no sooner had they pulled in,

(01:14:13):
and the sun has set, but there's still that twilight,
and they cracked open a beer. But no sooner had
they cracked open a beer. And they're just trying to
catch up and talk. They're not even out of the
cab of the truck yet, and my brother looks out
in front of the field and it's a beautiful wheat
field that's probably knee high, and he's looking out there

(01:14:36):
and his friend Eddie was talking and my brother sees
something coming across the field and it looks kind of
gray and white, and my brother taps his friend who's
still talking. He goes, hey, hey, hey, hey hey. He goes,
look at my finger, and friend goes what. He goes,
just look at my finger. You see it? He goes, yeah,
he goes, follow where my finger's going and follow it.

(01:14:57):
What do you see? And finally he goes, yeah, yeah,
I see it. I see it. And it's it's moving
so fast and so smooth. There's no head, Bobby, and
it's just so fluid. It fluid as it looked like
an apparition, my brother said. And then it disappeared in
the tree line that they're next to. There's there's a

(01:15:20):
row of trees next to the river that the farmer
didn't take out. And then it's dead quiet. They got
the windows down, they're stow in the truck and they
hear this branch breaking and it's my brother said, it
was like baseball bats being broke, and you could tell
it was fret. It was green cedar limbs and fresh limbs.

(01:15:45):
It was just had this echo down in that river
bottom and it was getting closer. And my brother's friend said,
let's go, let's go, and laning goes. Let's wait, wait,
I gotta see this thing. Well behind them is an opening.
The tree line opened up, and it was just beach
to the river. Finally, my brother now is facing outside

(01:16:06):
of his passenger window, looking back, and his body is
looking through what's called the headache crack of the truck
and he's looking through and he's smoking and he's nervous,
and they're looking and this thing steps out and you
could see it profiled, and then it turns in unison.
It doesn't turn the head, it turns all together. The
whole body stands there and it's probably about fifty feet

(01:16:32):
from behind the truck, sixty feet and then it just
stands there and then it starts to sway like this.
And my brother said, I can see the space between
the torso and the hands, and you could see the
hands were longer than that knee joint. He said. There
it had a conical type of head, no neck.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Said.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
The shoulders. We were just talking about it yesterday, believe
it or not. The shoulders were so outer proportion, so
supernaturally large. He said. It was around four and a
half to five feet wide at the shoulders, and this
thing starts swaying like this, and my brother had a
pistol pointing, saying, if you're a human, stop playing around.

(01:17:15):
I'm serious. Stop, I've got a gun. Stop playing around.
Nothing no sound, nothing, no vocalization. And finally it had
enough and it took a giant leap. My brother said,
it got on them that fast. Eddie started the truck
was starting to kick dirt up and it went right

(01:17:37):
into this creature's face, which probably tipped it off, and
it started chasing them in the truck. As they were
fish tailing out of there. Eddie was in a panic.
He was in shock. They were going down this dirt
road and my brother still hanging out the window, and
when Eddie hit the brake, my brother could see the
reflective red on its face and it was reaching toward

(01:17:59):
the bed of the truck. That's scary, and he's in
a panic, like, what is going on? What is this thing?
He never fired a shot because something in the brain said,
this still could be human, This still could be human,
but it's too big to be human. What's going on.
Finally they they lost it in the cloud of dust

(01:18:21):
and they got to the road and Eddie stopped the
truck and he's looking forward and Eddie says, what did
we see?

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
What is that? And my brother said, I don't know,
but I think that is a bigfoot. I said, they're real. Now,
I never thought they were real, but they're real. They
drove back to the house. They didn't speak a word,
and they kept it quiet. And my brother didn't tell
even us for two years and finally he told us.
And when he did, I asked him. I've asked him

(01:18:51):
hundreds of times of that incident and he's not changed
one time. What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Well, you know, again, it proves that they are aggressive too.
They were in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and it, you know, it was aggressive. I'm just wondering
what would have happened if they didn't get the truck
going on time and took off.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Well, I know, and that's the thing that we kind
of postulate many times. What would have happened, What would
have done had it caught the truck. A couple of
features of this one that's interesting is that my brother said,
while it was standing there, it was a pewter. There
was the moon was out and although you can't really
get a lot of details. It was close enough that

(01:19:35):
he said it was like a pewter gray color. Yeah,
so he thinks that this was an older one, but
it did not have any slowness to it. It advanced
on them so fast, he said it was it didn't
even appear real. It was so he was just there
and why was it aggressive? When we again, we think

(01:19:57):
about this so many times we think that this was
a hunting area, or there was members of this party
in that area, and this was a very common area
to hunt in North Canadian and the South Canadian river
bottoms in Oklahoma and so many of the river systems
is so thick with hogs, deer, wildlife. And I tell

(01:20:19):
you it's pretty creepy at night to be on those
river bottoms at night.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I wouldn't want to be. But here's the thing you
mentioned the gray Yeah again to me, the complexion what
I saw was kind of like between what we look
like in a grayish tent to it and no neck,
absolutely no neck. And the point is when I saw
that thing at the tree, where I paid a little

(01:20:44):
bit more attention to it when it moved and was
changing position to look at us. It was moving its
body like if you had a problem with your neck
where you couldn't turn your head. That's what it was like.
It was like ye seeing somebody that kind of turns
the whole body that torso to you know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Yes, in fact, that's exactly the way my brother said
it turned. You know, I've been in chiropractic for twenty
seven years before I retired, and you know that was
my job was to help people get him out of pain,
get rotation back, get motion back, and the cervical spine,
the lumbar spine, thorastic spine, and you know, there were
certain ranges of motion that's normal for a human. But

(01:21:27):
this creature, my brother said, it moved in unison like
it was all stiff, like it had a fusion of
a spine. It just turned in unison and looked at them.
And so you're describing exactly the way he said it
turned and looked at them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yeah. I don't know if they have they had movement,
but away from my scene, if they did have it,
they don't have much movement. That's the point. And again,
no neck is it's and again a lot of people
describe him as being like dark in color. What I
saw it wasn't dark in color. Again, like I said,

(01:22:05):
it was between what we look like in a grayish tent,
like after somebody's been dead for a while, type of
that type of look. Again, you're right on the head part,
and you know they had it had a flat kind
of nose, but it had big eyes. And again, it
didn't look like an ape and it didn't look like

(01:22:27):
a human. It's really hard to describe, you know. I've
tried all these years to like draw what it looked like,
and I can't seem to do it because I was
so scared. I just didn't concentrate on it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
You know, that's a very good point you make, too,
because a lot of these eyewitnesses, I'll say, can you
draw it? And they go, Lance, I have a hard
time because I was looking at it, but I wasn't
looking at it. I was so frightened. I was trying
to process so much in my head what I was
looking at that was a human? Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Not?

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
That I really didn't see a ton of details. I
can tell you in general details. And sometimes when they
retell the story and I ask them again or I
recall them every once in a while, they'll have a
little bit of a nugget that they forgot, like, oh, yes,
I saw the lip curl up and it was like
it looked like bubblegum. I remember that. Or And it's

(01:23:27):
not that this eyewitness is trying to make things up.
It's just that they're trying to slow the image down
and process, and it's like recalling it again. Then when
they settle down, the mind settles down and relaxes that
it's able to recall the details. And that's very typical
of encounters that happen. They just process, it's a monster,

(01:23:51):
it's fearful, it's terrible, And as they calm down and
weeks and months later they start to remember some details.
That's very common.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Feed Well, I will say this what I remember. I
saw its teeth when it was, you know, just off
the car into that tree, and the teeth were huge
and they were sharp, not like our teeth. Now, did
your brothers notice the teeth?

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
He said that it never did show its teeth. It
really didn't have its mouth. It had its mouth open
but a little bit, but he couldn't really see the teeth.
The only time he could see any facial features is
when Eddie was pulling the truck away going driving like crazy,

(01:24:39):
and he was trying around a corner going too fast
and he hit that brake. In that brake light really
reflected off the face and that's when he saw the
hand coming and it missed the tailgate and he could
see the brow ridge dark sockets like their eyes. He
saw that it was He knew it was conical because
he could see that in the moonlight, but he could

(01:25:00):
see that there was just a little patch of hair
on the cheek and it had like a like a
beard coming down, and that it was just so incredibly
supernaturally massive. That's the part that he said it didn't
look real because of how overly massive this thing was

(01:25:22):
at that distance. It's just it's you can't, as Wiley
Day would say, people aren't ready to see this. They're
just not ready to see something like this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
It's terrifying. Like I said, it was terrifying for me.
And again when you talk about the forehead again, the hair,
how can I say it was down lower than the
human but there was a stretch of skin, you know,

(01:25:53):
and eyebrows. I didn't see eyebrows as such, at least
from what I remember, but I owe also remember the
mouth was in the head was wider than a human
head would be shaped more you know, grotestic, and the
mouth was you know, on thick lips. I remember the
thick lips. I remember the larger mouth. And again the

(01:26:16):
teeth were like canine type of teeth. I mean that
that type of sharpness that I remembered. And then again
no neck and down My question for you. Did your
brother talk about the stench?

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
No, he said that, now there may have been, he said.
This is what he said. He said, there may have been,
but because of maybe the wind how it was blowing.
There wasn't much wind that night, and there wasn't Therefore,
since there wasn't much wind, it was really quiet. But
if there may have been enough of a breeze, you know,

(01:26:51):
not in their favor, so to speak. But there was
no stench, There was no vocalization. So the only thing
that obviously is they saw the creature first coming across
the field kind of at a diagonal, kind of at
an oblique angle, what we would say. So it wasn't
coming at them, but away from them, but still getting
closer as it approached the tree line. And then what

(01:27:14):
they heard was the branch breaking, which I have had
a lot of eye witnesses say that they have heard
this branch breaking. It's the lady that I did the
interview a couple months ago. That's what they did when
they were setting up camp this And the best we
can deduce is that this is a sign of aggression,

(01:27:36):
like you need to leave this area. I'm letting you
know I'm here and I don't like it that you're
here and you need to leave. I mean, obviously that's
the sign of aggression, of force breaking something. And my
brother said it sounded like baseball bats being broke, and
it was so quiet that night. You just echoed down

(01:27:56):
in that river bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Well, I don't know many animals it could take a
four inch tree, like a fir tree and just bend
it over and have it, you know, this boom. That's
what I remember. And and that was scary. But again,
you know, it yelled two times. Once when it saw
us on the other side of the creek, it screamed

(01:28:18):
like the loudest scream. It just gave me goosebumps. Then
when we got into the car, it was looking at
it and screaming and it was so loud, and you know,
and then it also had like a deep what do
you call it? Oh, when somebody goes type of noise?

(01:28:39):
It was in it, Yeah, it was. It did that.
And then the scream falled and it stared right at me.
Oh yeah, and I mean it locked eyes on me.
And I tell you, I was, like I said, I
was terrified. So I again, like I said at the
beginning of the show, maybe if you're in an area

(01:29:00):
that's more populated with humans. But if you really want
to go out looking for Bigfoot, you want to go
out in the area where there isn't a lot of
humans walking around, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Right, and be you know, my buddy Wilely Dave says,
be very careful what you want because most people aren't
ready to see this. And heaven forbid if you guys,
what if you guys had the car further away, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Well, I wouldn't be here. I know for a fact.
You know, I wouldn't have been here. I feel it.
I felt it then and it shook me.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Man. Yeah, that's terrifying even here. I just, you know,
my buddy Wally Dave said, just he just keeps saying
people aren't ready. They're not ready in so many different ways.
When I say they're not ready. They're not ready to
see it. They're not ready to emotionally deal with this
and cope with it, because you never forget it. The

(01:30:02):
only thing you can do is learn how to cope
with what you saw and try to place in your
mind follow it away so you can at least behave
quote unquote normally and work and behave in normal social
human structures out there, because you're realizing that you are
a small fraction of the population that salves something that

(01:30:24):
doesn't suppose it's not supposed to exist, but it does.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Oh, you're right, and.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
It's it's and there's really there's hundreds of people that have.
But you're seeing you've seen something so terrifying that it's
not supposed to exist, and yet you still have this
group of people. Oh it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't,
but it does. It really does. And that's the terrifying part.
Monsters do exist.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Well, I know for a fact, and Rory out there
wanted to know if it was a human scream. I
don't know any human could have made that type of scream.
It was way more perful than any human could do.
It was it went real high pitch and it again,
it was the look at his eyes and when I
could see its teeth when it was screaming. I can

(01:31:14):
tell you it was not something I'd ever want to
see again. And think about this, there's a lot of people.
Even when I had Christopher George on and you need
to get him on your show and we'll give you
his number. Here's the thing is being a law enforcement ranger.
He told us of all these scary stories that I

(01:31:35):
can't talk on my show because I have somebody it
doesn't like me, so they hit me with violations, but
that there's a lot of people, a lot of people
missing every year in the forest, in those woods, and
they find no traces of them or little bits of

(01:31:56):
traces of the people, and the the government covers it up.
That's what he said. Even when he writes a report,
he sends it in because he has to send it in,
and there's been times he wanted to look at that
report to see if anything has been done. He doesn't
have any access to it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
He's always said, I've always said there's two reports. Now
this is I do need to talk to him. I've
always said there's two reports. There's the real report that
the ranger writes, then there's the report that goes and
is documented for public records if anyone ever wants to
attain them. So that's just my theory. I can't prove that,

(01:32:37):
but that's just what makes sense to me. And this
is one of the reasons. It gets back to a question.
I think that these creatures have these the sightings. I
witness sightings, especially close encounters get suppressed, especially if there
was a human that was injured or a human shot one,

(01:32:57):
or there was property damaged. There was physical property damage
like a truck, a car, a fence, a home. These
people are on the site, Johnny on the spot within days,
and they monitor these eyewitnesses, if not contact them. And
how they do it, I just my gut tells me

(01:33:21):
they're using AI to do it. Because there's so many
different sources of intel coming in all the time, all
these platforms and radios and scanners. AI could do all
that that fast, and so I think they're using it
and have been using AI for a few decades. We
get information, civilians, we get we're the last to get

(01:33:43):
the cell phone, the AI, the optic cables. That stuff
has been out there years before we had access to it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Yeah, and a bad thing about AI. Let you mentioned
at the beginning of the show, you can create videos
or images that you know, again, like I told you
before we went on the air, my other hobby in
life was photography and it still is a big part
of my life. And I couldn't even do what I

(01:34:13):
did in the dark room what you can do now
with AI. It's harder to really look at something and say,
was that real or was that generated with AI? Is
that UFO a real UFO? Or was that generated on AI?
And it's enough even with my sophisticated software I have,

(01:34:35):
it takes me a long time to debunk something now
and that's how good. And it's improving realistically more and
more every day.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Oh absolutely, In fact, it's I think it's at a
pace exponentially where in a year from I would say,
in a couple of years from now, it will be
so hard to discern what is real and what is
not real. And that's the part that's going to get scary.
What content is real what is not real? And you

(01:35:06):
know when you think of that, you go, well, you know,
all you have to do is persuade people of an
opinion and something looks real, then you can persuade them
to do something, not do something like something, and so
it is getting very hard. Right now. Our eyes can
discern it and go, oh, that looks kind of fishy.
That doesn't look right. I would say, in a few years,

(01:35:27):
we won't be able to tell no.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
And here's another thing too, with a lot of people,
and I'm not going to mention his name, but there's
one famous person out there when it comes to Bigfoot,
who captured the sounds, the Sierra sounds of Bigfoot. And
here's the point. For years they pushed that they were living,
breathing creatures. And what happens is after many years, either

(01:35:55):
they get burned out on it, or they you know,
their books aren't or whatever the problem is, then they
come up and say, well, it's interdimensional and it's not
flesh and blood, and that is what Really. I don't
think they are interdimensional. I really don't, because what I

(01:36:16):
seen was real.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
Yeah, I'm in agreement along with you. I see. You
know in Wially, Dave, my buddy, saw a physical creature
that was salivating and it's what we now know as
the dog Man creature. In twenty thirteen, when he was
by himself in Beaver County in western Oklahoma, and he
said it was flesh and blood. He called it up

(01:36:40):
on a call he made, and only a flesh and
blood type of animal would have that craving or that
desire to come in on that distress call. And so
my brother Lane, I've talked to him about this too.
He said, I didn't see an apparition. I saw a
flesh and blood physical being, a creature that was massive

(01:37:03):
in size. Chass, I know what we saw, and there's
no denying that it wasn't anything else that I've ever
seen in my life. And his friend never wanted to
really talk about it again. And so I'm always a
that's a good question that gets brought up a lot
about this interdimensional and I just have a hard time

(01:37:25):
for me personally swallowing that pill because of the people
that I do interviews on the show. We're all assuming
and talking the same language of it's a flesh and
blood creature.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Well, it is, and I'm not going to change my
view on it. It just seems like people, you know,
go that way if it's eupology or bigfoot or dog
men or whatever it is. They get burned out after
a while and so they start looking for another you know,
or they're not popular on the circuit anymore, so they
come up, well it's interdimensional. Well then you know, well

(01:38:00):
I don't buy that. I just don't buy that. And
you know, again about dog men, I've had so many
people for the years to say dogmen have never hurt
a human. Well, you know, I was reading about you know,
cases here recently going back to like nineteen hundred for example,

(01:38:21):
and even up to nineteen twenty, where dogmen encountered and
killed farmers, killed their livestock, did all this stuff. So
what is that? I mean again, is it people in
their mind think that a dogmen would never hurt any anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
I don't know. I think people you know, doctor David
Buss as a world renowned psychologist, and he talks about that,
you know, humans have twenty four biases, and one of
the biases is that we suffer from is called a
certainty bias. And a certainty bias says I'm so certain
I'm right and you're wrong. I'm certain of it, and
so it seems kind of funny to say. But I

(01:39:01):
think people get in this corner of absolutes and how
they get there. I don't know. Maybe they've listened to
twenty four podcast shows in a row and they think
they're an expert, or they've listened to, you know, a
year's worth of podcasts and all of a sudden everybody's
an expert. Well, actually, I've never considered myself I know
more than the average person. But I've always considered myself

(01:39:21):
a student of learning. And I never want a pigeonhole
even myself that I know everything, because I don't. As
soon as you say you know everything, something surprisingly comes
your way and you go, wow, I had no clue.
That is really interesting. But I think people suffer them
absolute where they know what they know and there's no
it's this way all the time, everybody knows that, which

(01:39:44):
that's not true. I always leave a back door from
me learning.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Yeah, well you have to. Now how can people find
and what night do you come out with your show?
Is it live? Is it recorded? Tell us about it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:59):
Well, I appreciate that. Yeah, so so far I've not
been lined yet, but I'm actually working my way in
twenty twenty six to do just that. Gary. So I
appreciate you asking really right now, how people can get
a hold of me or the show is. I'm on
YouTube under Monster nine one one, and I put a
show out typically every two weeks. Right now, I'm kind

(01:40:20):
of running behind with the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. I've got
family over and I like to put my time into
the show. I have enough content right now for the
next year and a half. I've been blessed by having
a lot of people contact me. They can come if
someone has a report, they can contact the toll free
number that I have on the show, which I put

(01:40:41):
on every show, or they can email me at the
Monster nine one one podcast at gmail dot com. But
right now it's on YouTube and I'm in the process.
Hopefully I'll finish up my book in the spring, and
then I'm adding the website and some other things. It's
just kind of domino effect for twenty twenty six. So

(01:41:02):
right now it's just through the show.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
That is fantastic, And again, don't hang up. I want
to talk to you for a minute after the show.
I want to thank you so much for coming on.
And how can they contact you if they have a
story of an encounter.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
Yeah, so it doesn't have to be a sasquatch or
dog man. I've got people calling me with UFOs C creatures,
alien type of creatures. Some of the craziest one has
been alien type creatures sightings. They can contact me on
the toll free number. It's eight six six three zero
six eight zero eight five and leave a message. Your

(01:41:41):
call can be confidential. I don't need your name, I
don't need your occupation, and we can talk or you
can like I said the email meme at the Monster
nine to one one podcast at gmail dot com. And
then if you just kind of want to see the
style of my interviews, you can go on YouTube and
type in Monks nine one and you can see a
collection of some of the interviews that I've done.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Well. Great Again, I want to thank you Lance for
coming on and maybe we'll get you on in the
future again we can actually get in some of the
case uh you know the stories that people have told you.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
Absolutely, and thank you so much for having me on. Gary,
I sincerely appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Okay, my friend, well, jac who's our next guest coming up?

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Well, our next guest will be next Friday, December the fifth,
and that's gonna be Marcus Allen. He's the editor of
the UK version of the Nexus magazine and then the guests.
After that, we're gonna have Stan Deo back on it.
It's been a while since he's been on the show,
but he will be on Friday, December the twelfth, and

(01:42:49):
he's got some fascinating stuff to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Oh yeah, he's always a fantastic guest. Well, everybody, I
want you to have a great weekend. I really appreciate you, know,
everything you guys do for the show. Don't forget to
give us a thumbs up, leave a coment, good or bad,
whatever you want to do on the show. And also tomorrow,
if you use your cell phone, you can hype the show.

(01:43:13):
So by this CLI it doesn't cost you anything. You
just hit the hype button and it gives us points,
which then the algorithm keeps sharing it. And I just
want to say a big shout out to places like
in Greece, Germany, France, Vietnam, India, Paraguay, all our listeners
we're got. Now we're at almost three hundred and seventy

(01:43:36):
five thousand subscribers. We're just like about one hundred away
from that and we're growing every day. And I again,
I think it all comes down to we don't give
out hype. We just give out a good interview and
great guests. Well, JC, you got anything else do you
want to say before we say good night?

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
No, hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. And listen some
good points for said tonight. If you're going out in
the woods, tell somebody where you're going, when you're going,
when you be back, and take some kind of protection.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Yeah, and I'm gonna tell this if you hear me
kind of like, uh, not talking totally coherent? Is that
a lot of you know that I got false teeth
and I tried a different adhesive tonight and my teeth
were falling out every time I was talking. So it
makes it really hard to say certain words when your

(01:44:27):
teeth are wobbling. So there it is. Well, everybody, have
a good one. We will catch you on the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Whose friends all the night dreamers tucking at night? Gary
on the radio, but maybe he's not on the side
they puts on still buying you a foos That's right,
Gary stucks your

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