What's On Mars Brain Cory Dobbs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Telling story here, and it really needs to be told,
and I feel like I might have something to add
to the whole conversation. So I decided that I'd jump
in and go for a full length film, a documentary
about not just Mars, but Mars disclosure.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
And you know, again, that's a big undertaking, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I had this internal dialogue with myself. I'm like, Brian,
you can't do a movie about this. You've never done
that before. And I knew that in order to do
it right, it would mean I'd have to spend some
money and sort of fly all over the place and
meet people in person to get high quality interviews. I

(00:47):
didn't really want to phone this in, so to speak,
because I knew that it just seemed to me that
Mars disclosure has If you're talking about anything other than
geology related to Mars, it tends to bring with it
a whole lot of baggage.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
And I knew I had an uphill battle ahead of me.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
So I felt like I really wanted to tailor this
just right to make sure that anyone who was new
to the subject wasn't turned off by it. And it
just required a lot of time and patience putting it together.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
How long did it take you to produce it and
get it out?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Eleven months?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Eleven months to make it, and then another year to
find distribution for it. And I'm happy to say it's
widely available right now. And I guess I'll just get
a minor plug in right now. For those of you
interested in watching the film, please visit the website blue
planetred dot net and just click on the big red

(01:55):
button right there and it'll take you and it'll present
all the links. You can find it on Amazon, on
there's a couple other streaming networks. You could even find
it on your cable video on demand. So if what
you hear tonight is of interest, please start there before
going to my YouTube channel. The YouTube channel is more
or less the series follow up. The continuation of the

(02:17):
series with the documentary is meant meant to be the
starting point.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Again to gather all the information. Where did all did
you have to go to dig up all this information
about Mars.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
All over?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean, what I was you know, given that we're
here in twenty twenty five and we've had rather at
the time twenty twenty three, we've had nearly fifty years
of Mars exploration, you know, related I guess maybe not exploration,
but discovery from orbiters and landers and rovers that we've

(02:52):
sent there. So there's there's been a whole lot of
data collected. Some of it has rather I mean, all
of it's been published by now, and it's been sort
of processed, observed, reported on, written about by a wide
variety of people. They might be academics, they might be
independent researchers, and you know, after I found let me

(03:19):
just take the opportunity now to credit my producer on
the film. His name is Michael Craig. He lives in
England and he doesn't seek the spotlight. He likes to
work behind the scenes. But he has been following Mars
disclosure for the better part of two decades, and so
he already did a lot of the work that was

(03:42):
necessary to produce this film. He's been following the people
doing the research, publishing the papers. He's been following the
independent Mars, independent researcher community in the Mars community.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So he already had a lot of the contacts.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Now I was able to find a few more and
get myself caught up to speed. But Michael really played
a pivotal role in getting me up to speed with
what's been going on with Mars outside of what NASA
has been reporting on.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Now you think NASA is telling us everything about Mars. No, Well,
you know my thing is, you know, like people talk
ah Mars, Martians and aliens and all that, but you know,
there's been too many through the years, you know, images
from Mars that NASA really can't explain. And then, like

(04:38):
I mentioned earlier, I used to go on to their
website and look at some of these images and you know,
I wasn't smart enough as screenshots some of those images.
Then when I go back and they were non existent.
Have you run across anything like that.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yes, NASA is notorious for removing their content, and this
is this is unfort fortunate because when just keep in mind,
for those of you watching, for those of you listening,
anything that I put into the film, I had to vet.
I had to make sure it was real. Okay, I

(05:15):
did that. Everything you see in there is all based
on NASA source imagery. So thankfully it was all still available.
Now since the time of the making the film till now,
some of that content has been removed from the Internet
and it's crazy. I would be flattered if it was,
because to know if it was because of the film,

(05:38):
I don't have any idea. Maybe it's just because they
don't care. Maybe they don't think anybody else cares. I
don't really know. It's awfully suspicious, but hey, there's there
are so many oddities which we're going to talk about tonight,
you know, just a brief overview.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
We're going to be.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Talking about whether or not there's current microbial life on
the planet, whether there was past life on the planet,
whether or not there's any fossils on the planet, all
the way up to archaeological ruins. And I believe we
have a strong case to argue that most of those

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things are real. And we now have the benefit of
having high resolution photography of the planet, whereas in the
seventies we you know, we were just relying on low
resolution photographs. But you know, we've got a compelling story.
And that's the thing, Like any one of these things,
Gary just really isn't enough to move the needle and people.

(06:43):
I think NASA, most people can consider NASA a trusted institution.
They're one that is generally speaking beloved by many people
because they do exciting things.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
They send astronauts out into space.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
They you know, they collect such magnificent imagery of our
Solar system and of our universe, and they have expanded
our knowledge about what the heck is going on out
there outside of Earth. And it's it's it's, you know,
a wonderful organization that provides all this great data. The
problem is especially related with Mars.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
They have.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Essentially photographed a lot of weird stuff up there that
they don't really comment on. So they just leave that
to the independent researcher community to find it and then
to publish about it and then to comment about it.
And if anyone asks them, hey, does this look like

(07:45):
a you know, fill in the blank, NASA will just say, no,
don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
We can explain that using geology.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
NASA, we'll try to explain everything with geology. And that's
just ridiculous because they're basically saying, don't believe your lion eyes.
As it relates to some of these things that we're finding,
which we'll get into.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, could it possibly be that they don't really want
to admit that there was life on Mars at one time?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean, they don't want to admit that the
evidence for life currently, which is just baffling to me
because there's a whole generation of astrobiologists, multiple generations of
astrobiologists now, who who have the understanding that there is
absolutely no evidence for life on Mars, which I'll just

(08:37):
you know, preview this for you is factually wrong. I
can explain why tonight now. To be fair, Mars has
a story to it that some could consider to be terrifying.

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So as soon as Mars changes from this boring, desolate
wasteland of a planet to something that might frighten people, well,
who wants to be in charge when news comes out
that Mars isn't all that they've told us that it was,

(09:22):
it's something else entirely. If Mars is what we could become,
that brings with it a whole lot of questions and
a whole lot of uncomfortable conversations. So I think NASA
just doesn't really want to open up that can of worms,

(09:43):
and that leaves me and the rest of the Mars
community an opportunity to do that for them. And I'm
working with researchers. I'm in touch with a whole bunch
of people who have contributed to the overall story of Mars,

(10:04):
and you know we'll be talking about them tonight.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well let's start into it. You know, you got a
lot of images you're gonna show tonight, and you're gonna
explain some of those images. Yeah. My thing is you
don't like the moon. They said for years the Moon
had no atmosphere, but you know, talking to some people
that know, it does have somewhat of an atmosphere. And

(10:27):
again with Mars too, it's supposed to have not enough
atmosphere to support human life. But is that true.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think people liked just for the sake of simplicity.
Some people like to round up or round down here
or there. But the Martian atmosphere, the Mars atmosphere is
less than one percent as dense as Earth's. So if
you want to round that down to no atmosphere, like

(10:56):
in casual conversation, I'm not gonna sweat it. But technically speaking, yes,
it does have an atmosphere. It's just a very weak
and thin atmosphere. It doesn't mean absolutely nothing. There are
still gases in the atmosphere which we can talk about
because some of them are kind of funky. It's some
kind of strange and it's actually a very important thing. So, yes,

(11:21):
Mars does have an atmosphere, it is very little. Same
thing with the magnetic field. It's not that it has
no magnetic field. It's just that the magnetic field is
very weak. So something happened to the planet. The planet
is now more or less red, and even that's in contention.

(11:43):
It's it's actually more of a butterscotch color. But hey,
you know, we say red heads because it's just easier.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
You know, I get it. I'm not going to nitpick
here and there.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
But you know, credit my friend Barry di gregorio calling
it butterscotch, but you know, it's the red plant. It's
just just easy to say. That's what people know. But
guess what, man, it used to be blue. It used
to be blue, just like Earth. That's not in contention anymore,

(12:13):
even by mainstream academics and NASA itself. So the question is,
if it used to be blue, what the heck happened
to it? And we've got answers.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, let's find out what those answers are here tonight.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Those answers bring up some difficult questions and conversations. So
what I like to try to do Gary is maybe
get us there. Maybe just take the listener's hand. We'll
take it nice and slow, because we've got some easier
territory to maybe get into it first. For those of
you who know nothing about Mars other than it's got the.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Rocks all over the place.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
All right, Uh, you're in for a treat tonight because
we've got some really cool stuff to show.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
All right, Okay, should I share my screen here?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Whatever we have to do. Do you get those images up? Yes,
let me give you. Let me get you back on
full screen on.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
You yeah, let me pause there, put this down. Okay,
do you see my screen it says water?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, I see that, yes, sir?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
All right, So does Mars have any water on it?
You know this?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
For some reason, this is still a question in people's minds,
and you might even see in your daily newsfeed. Ooh,
sciencess have found evidence for water. We have known since
nineteen seventy six that there's water on Mars. Now most
of it is in the form of ice because it's

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cold there. Okay, technically not all, which we'll talk about.
But to give you an idea about how much water, well,
if you take a look at this is one crater
it's a very large crater. But you see all that
white stuff, Yeah, that is what you think.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
It is ice.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's ice, and not just any old ice. It is
water ice. Because some people might say, oh, it's just carbon,
that frozen carbon dioxide. Now there is frozen carbon dioxide
on Mars. But guess what, there's also there's more frozen
h two. Oh okay, so this is just one crater.
Now how big is this crater? This crater is fifty

(14:41):
miles wide. So how much water is in that one crater.
You've got five hundred cubic miles of water just in
that one crater alone.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Okay, So if Mars just think about this.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
If Mars was once blue and a lot warmer, right,
it used to have a then the implication being Mars
used to have a thicker atmosphere, a habitable atmosphere, and
the conditions for liquid water, Well, that would be a
whole lot of water just in that crater.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I mean, the lake is what we what we're taking
a look at there. Now. Mars also has polar ice caps.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And if you look at that little dot at the
top of the of the ice cap there, that was
what we were just looking at. Which pales in comparison
to the size of the Northern polar Ice Cap. That
Northern polar ice Cap is huge. I mean, if you
could imagine and all that there's there is car there

(15:45):
is fro frozen carbon dioxide there, but it is covered
with a thicker layer of frozen h two. Oh, that's
a lot of water. Okay, So for those of you
who still don't know, Bars has water, not just at
the polar ice caps, it actually has ice kind of

(16:10):
all over the place. This is a rover image. It
just looked straight down and started digging into the surface
a little bit, basically a few centimeters below the surface.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Everywhere on the planet is ice.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
So Mars really is a planet that is covered in ice,
but also then covered in dust on top of that.
It is because the winds have been blowing dust around everywhere,
and when Mars lost its water, a lot of it's
seeped down into the soil and just sort of froze,
and then the rest of it evaporated out into space.

(16:51):
You know, here's a crate, here's an impact crater that
excavated a lot of ice. And you know, NASA even
keeps fire finding sub surface lakes and ice, and this
is water. So there's water there now, I say most
of it is ice, but.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Every now and then.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
There will be these faint trickles of water that there's
this process called deliquescence where the soil sort of absorbs
the moisture in the air and then releases trickles of
that water. And here you can see there's a there's
a an orbiter photograph.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Here we can see bigger trickles. And then I think
it's an.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Order photograph, but you can see these streaks, all right,
These these are streaks of water. So it doesn't really
stay in liquid form for that long, but it does
does still happen. Mars has got this funky atmosphere pressure
and temperature combination that water sort of turns from ice

(18:05):
directly into gas. Doesn't really like to stay in liquid form.
The physics there are just are different. But still every
now and then there's a little bit of water. And
if that wasn't enough for you, you just take a look
at the rovers tracks here, the rovers wheels. That soil

(18:26):
is not just falling off, it's not dusty. It's actually
kind of wet. It's sticking together. It's muddy, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, oyster.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, and even some of the landers there will photograph
water vapor, little droplets, condensation of water vapor on the
landing struts. And even back in nineteen seventy six, one
of the Viking landers photographed snowfall. This is not frost.
If it were frost, it would be on all surfaces.

(18:58):
It's only on the horizontal surfaces that we see this.
This is in fact snowfall. Okay, there's enough snow on
Mars according to Sylvan picqu who's at NASA JPL, that
you could snowshoe across it, so you could you could
parachute down and land in a winter wonderland. You know,

(19:21):
you could have Christmas on Mars if.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You really wanted to, it'd be great. Uh. And uh.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Lastly, there are clouds. There are faint clouds, but there
are clouds.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
And guess what clouds are filled with?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, boy, sure, Now you know a lot of this.
When I went to college and when I went to school,
you know, we were told there was no water on Mars,
there was no moisture. It was Yeah, this is all
turned around everything Eilert years ago.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
And that's a shame.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I mean, we we have now decades of a misinformed
public and and you know, misinformed academics who are teaching
incorrect information. Now, I can't blame them necessarily because I
really have to point the finger at NASA here, because
they are not setting the record straight. They have sort

(20:17):
of formed this narrative of Mars that has just persisted
for the past fifty years that they really haven't done
too much in the way of updating. Okay, they'll now
say Mars Okay, yes, Mars was more earth like in
the past, you know, and that's something that they evolved
on because they originally said, no, there's no chance of that.

(20:39):
But you know, now they'll at least admit that. But
you know, I'm sick and tired of seeing scientists found
water on Mars in my news headlines. That's yesterday's news,
that's last centuries news. We have got to get past
this water on Mars being news. It's settled. Okay, all

(21:05):
of this stuff, these are NASA images, This is NASA information.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
You can go look this up.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean, I'm not breaking any new ground here, but
I was surprised to learn this myself. I mean, that's
the thing, Like, even just three years ago, I was
kind of oblivious to all of this, and as I
started looking into it, Gary, I'm like, there's a.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Story here, and how come no one's talking about this?
So water is just the entry point.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Now, if Mars used to be blue and it still
has a thin atmosphere and it has some water on it,
the next logical question becomes, is there any life on
the planet?

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Now?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
What have you heard about this? What have you heard
about current microbial life on Mars?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
They said it was a possibility and that they've found
life of some sorts, but not life as we know life.
That that I want to make it clear.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, so this this is another big mistake by Nassa
and we'll explain here in a minute. Microbes. Let's just
talk about microbes for just a second.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Here. Where do we know microbes live?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, they live in the soil and in the ice,
in various different forms of places.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm just saying, on Earth, where are microbes? Where's bacteria?
For instance?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, it's everywhere exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, microbes are everywhere on Earth.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
They're all over our bodies, all over our desks, they're
all over our food. Now that's the easy place is
that they live. They also live high in the atmosphere.
They live deep down in the crust of the Earth.
They've been found on the outside of the International Space
Station yet side window. Okay, they live next to hydrothermal vents.

(23:16):
They live directly in nuclear waste. They can live. Some
of them can live directly in ice. Okay, they and
we call these extremophiles. Okay, some of them can survive
the vacuum of space. Microbes are real tough, really really tough.

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So should it be illogical or would it be unreasonable
to question whether or not the surface of Mars still
has any microbes on it. Well, back in the seventies,
NASA wanted to get to the bottom of this. So
what did they do. They had these two missions to Mars.

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You might remember this gary called Viking, right. They sent
two landers, these big landers. There you can see Carl
Sagan standing next to one of them. They sent two
of them to Mars in addition to two orbiters. They
actually sent two landers. There was this magnificent feet of engineering,

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a magnificent accomplishment that they actually got these things to
successfully land on the surface of Mars in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Six, and a board each one of these.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Landers which landed on opposite sides of the planet. They
had three different life detection experiments. This is three different
biology experiments. Okay, we're going to focus on one of
them and called the Well here's a schematic of the

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one of them that we're talking about. And this one
was called the labeled release experiment. Okay, this is the
one that is most often referenced. Okay, this labeled release experiment.
Don't worry about the schematic.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I'll just simply explain how it works.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
All it requires you to do is to get a
soil sample, to feed it some sort of food, a
nutrient solution in this case, and then just wait some
time to see if any gas is produced.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Okay, think about it.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
We as organisms, we eat food, later on we produce gas. Yes,
it's that simple, okay, because if we find gas produced,
what that means is there are microorganisms in the soil
that are metabolizing that nutrient solution.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
So, the gentleman who created this is a guy by
the name of doctor gil Levin, and doctor gil Levin
was a sanitation engineer who had to invent this little
gizmo to test the water or test the soil to
see if it had any pathogenic microbes in it. Okay,

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he did this before he even worked for NASA, all right,
And this labeled release experiment was run over four thousand
times on Earth. It tested everything from the Moon soil
to the Antarctic soil and it never produced a false
positive nor false negative. So I don't know about you, Gary,
but in my book, I consider that to be a

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perfect test.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
It would be.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
And he pitched this.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
This experiment, the labeled release experiment, to NASA at a
cocktail party, to the administrator of NASA at a cocktail party.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
He's like, Hey, I hear you. Guys are going to Mars.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Would you like an experiment to send there that will
test the soil for microbes? And they're like yes, of course.
He's like, well, guess what I got just the thing
for you. And they said, okay, great, and it's got
an excellent track record. NASA needs to send stuff that's
going to work. This thing works, so they said, okay, Gil,

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come aboard our team. So then he was hired as
one of the principal investigators for the Viking Mission and
the Search for Life. Now joining him was doctor Patricia
Ann Stratt, and the two of them adapted the labeled
release experiment for the Viking mission. They kind of had
to make it just a little bit smaller to fit

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it on the lander. Now, Gary, they tested the soil
in two different locations on Mars, Okay, multiple times? Did
it find life?

Speaker 4 (28:03):
What?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Did it come back positive or did it come back negative?
Do you remember this?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I really don't, But go ahead. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
If you had to venture a guess, I would say yes, correct.
It tested positive not just at one landing site, but
at two landing sites multiple times.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Now, you might think you'd break open the champagne and say, hey,
we found life on Mars.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
But NASA they said, hmm, not so fast. And here's why.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
They sent a separate test, an entirely different rather experiment
that was the sole purpose was to look to see
if there were any organic molecules, any organic matter in
the soil. And unfortunately that experiment, called the gas chromatograph

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mass spectrometer.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
It's a mouthful.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
That experiment did not find any organic material in the soil.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
But can I ask you a question, depending where it landed,
I mean, you know, would that effect what the results
would be.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Potentially?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
But the question became how can you have living microbes?
How can we on one hand get a positive reading
for life, but on the other hand have no organic
matter in the soil. That's strange. So the narrative or
their conclusion was that the test results for microbial life

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on Mars were ambiguous. Okay, but here's the big problem,
and this is when I have to fault NASA, because
they haven't updated their information when we started sending rovers there.
Everybody knows the Curiosity Rover. The Curiosity Rover had an

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organics experiment and guess what it found the organic matter
that they couldn't find in nineteen seventy six. So this
whole idea that there's no organic matter in the soil
is now proven to be wrong. We have the positive
life test, we have the organic matter in the soil.

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So the question is, had they found the organic matter
in the soil back in nineteen seventy six, would they
still have said the life detection experiments produced an ambiguous result.
So they haven't revisited these results that they got in
nineteen seventy six, which is problematic.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
In addition.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
To finding the organic matter in the soil, the Curiosity
Rover also found an organic substance known as dimethyl sulfide.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
All right.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Now, for those of you who pay attention to NASA's
other project, the James Web Space Telescope, you might see
in your news feed every now and then where scientists
find signs of life in the atmosphere of exoplanets that
are light years away. You might see that sometimes, and
the reason is because NASA these scientists through the use

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of spectroscopy, where you're looking at the different frequencies of
light that are coming back and you can determine what
the composition of something is. Through the use of spectroscopy,
they are finding dimethyl sulfide in the atmospheres of exoplanets.
And because of this, this is such a strong biosignature.

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Because of this, they are saying, hey, we found signs
of life. Because you know why, dimethyl sulfide, at least
here on Earth, can only be produced by microbes. Active
living microbes are the only thing that we know that
can produce dimethyl sulfide out in nature.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Sure, you might have a guy in a lab coat
that can produce dimethyl sulfide, but that doesn't count out
in nature. Microbes are the only thing they can do
this and guess where we found dimethyl sulfide on Mars.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
So, if they're making such a big.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Deal about finding dimethyl sulfide in the exo in the
atmospheres of exoplanets, why are we not making a bigger
deal about having found it on Mars? Because if we're
finding it on Mars, and that means there must be
living microbes making it there. Now we're talking about spectroscopy, Okay,
NASA again, through the use of spectroscopy, doctor Carol Stoker,

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who still is at now published an abstract in which she.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Claimed to have found chlorophyll on Mars.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
This is a NASA scientist who published an abstract saying
that through the use of spectroscopy she found chlorophyll. My
question is, why have we not made a bigger deal
about that. Everybody knows chlorophyll that's related to plants.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, I mean goodness, so.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Even more interesting and more easily visible. Here literally, we're
going to talk about something here Gary called rock varnish. Now,
rock varnish, as you can see here is this black, hard,
black coating that you'll find on desert rocks here on Earth, Okay,

(33:55):
And this is produced essentially by microbes and eating manganese,
and it's just they produce this film of black coating
over centuries of time. Okay, and you might even find
petroglyphs that were carved into this black coating, sort of
scrape off the black coating and make petroglyphs, you know,

(34:16):
thousands of years ago. But this black coating indicates that
microbes are here making this black coating, all right. Rock
varnish or sometimes called desert varnish again, is only produced
by microbes. This is a microbial byproduct of their metabolizing
something manganese. I think the person who brought this to

(34:40):
my attention was is named Barry du Gregorio. He's an astrobiologist,
and he first told me about this, so you know,
he's got a book that Mars the Living Planet.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
People can go read.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Rock varnish is a very hard, dark, but shiny coating
on rocks and pebbles, which is produced by chemical and
biological weathering processes after many thousands of years.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
All rock varnish is produced as a result of bacteria, fungi, algae,
or lichens pulling chemicals from the rock and creating new
layers over centuries of time and guess what, Gary we
find it on Mars.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
We find this black coating on rocks on Mars.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Now, one might ask, well, what does NASA have to
say about this. NASA has published papers about this rock varnish,
and they acknowledge there is something that looks like rock
varnish on Mars.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Now, what they will say is that.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Because we've never found life on Mars before, that this
must be produced by some as yet undetermined mechanism, meaning
they cannot explain how there is rock varnish on Mars
without invoking biology, which is something they want to do.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Well, I'm going to jump in here. Some scientists say
that that was created, you know, from a nuclear uh
something happened on Mars nuclear and it you know when
you set off a nuclear weapon. You know, sand can
turn into glass. You know, rocks can get that that
type of look to it. And and some scientists they

(36:24):
claiming that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, those those rocks appeared just a little differently. There's
a type of natural glass, you know. These these are
big boulders, just with the same sort of black coating.
These are only a couple of photos. There are more photos,
but just for the sake of simplicity. I just just
had two here. So the point is, Carrie, is that

(36:49):
NASA to this day still says there is Now they've
revised their their position and say there is absolutely no
evidence for life on Mars, for microbial life on Mars. Now,
if you let's examine this word evidence. Some people confuse

(37:11):
this word or think it means the same thing as proof.
Evidence and proof in the court of law do not
mean the same thing. And that's how I use the
word evidence in the strictest legal sense, evidence meaning suggestive
of proof, meaning conclusive of Okay, So on the spectrum
of well, so there's there's maybe the chlorophyll because it's

(37:34):
only through the use of spectroscopy and we only published
an abstract about it, we didn't have that much data.
Maybe you might consider that weak evidence. But then we
have strong evidence. Photographs can be used as evidence. Photographs
are evidence. So here we have strong evidence, the labeled
release experiment again strong evidence, dimethyl sulfide strong evidence. So

(37:55):
in totality, I say the verdict on microbial life on
Mars is somewhere between strong evidence to conclusive. That's my
position on this, But some days I might.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Why have not NASA come and stepped forward and you know,
tell us what is going on. It's like, I don't
know the right word to use. Like they're deceiving us
about Mars. They things they don't want us and know
about Mars.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
They'd have to rewrite the textbooks over the past fifty years,
and who wants to do that because people have based
their entire careers off of the notion that there's absolutely
no evidence for mycrobial life on Mars. I mean, heck,
even Avi Lobe, which you know I'm friendly with, and
you know I've talked to him, I know him personally.

(38:49):
He was just on the Danny Jones podcast and Danny
Jones asked him if there's any evidence for life on Mars,
and he says no, and unfortunately he's wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
So well, I'm going to jump in there. I've had
Havy Low on the show a few times, and I'll
be honest with you, he was wrong about some of
his things about like the Atlas and the one before that,
and then the debris they found in the ocean. I
mean that, you know, people have their own views. It's
because they're a scientists. They get focused on their own

(39:20):
set of mind and That's what we need to do
is break away from that.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, so Avi has his areas of expertise, but microbial
life on Mars, I would not consider him to be
up to date on I would not consider most astrobiologists
to be up to date on the evidence for microbial
life on Mars. You'll I've had many conversations with astrobiologists.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
And they aren't aware of this history.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
They just accept whole cloth without investigating for themselves. Why
NASA has determined that the original life detection experiment results
were ambiguous.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
They just left it at that and never revisited it.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
So the whole goal here for the documentary that I
made is for us to revisit it. So I've I've
learned a bunch of stuff since the documentary was released,
which is why I continue the work on my YouTube channel.
So you know, I'm really trying to make Blue Planet
Red the one stop shop for all things Mars disclosure,

(40:28):
and I'm doing that with a lot of help in
Mars community.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
So anyway, you know, if you want to, we.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Can then pivot now to something a little bit more
sexy here, the idea of well, are there any fossils
on Mars.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well, I certainly seen images, you know that look like fossils,
But again, this is debatable.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I'm just gonna skip through some some slides here. Actually,
let me just stop sharing just for a moment, just
to get the right slide, and I'll share it just again.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Let's see past that, past that, past that. Okay, here
we go. All right, so bluepleanter, here we go. Oh wow,
all right, so hellow all right, So.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Let's talk about something called trace fossils. What are trace fossils?
We'll think of it this way. Think of a dinosaur footprint.
It's not the dinosaur bones. It's the footprint that's been
you know, it's it's in rock. It's been I guess

(41:45):
you'd say petrified or something solidified.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I mean, it's it's rock. It's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
We know, a dinosaur stood there, right, a dinosaur walked there. Now,
let me ask you, Gary, what would a worm footprint
look like.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
That?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I wouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, what do we know? Worms do?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
They? Yeah? They burn into stuff ground and and to
you know, a lot of different material.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, so, believe it or not, worms can actually make footprints.
In a sense, it looks like just these little squiggly lines.
Sometimes they you know, solidify and we can find these things.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Now I'm gonna show you a comparison image.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
All right, I'm gonna credit my friend Barry di Gregorio,
who has been who was Gil Levin's biographer, who wrote
that Mars the Living Planet book, but he's been studying
trace fossils on Mars. Now we see two different images here.
One is on Earth and one is on Mars. Gary,
can you guess which is which?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I a would say the one on the left as Mars,
but maybe I'm wrong on that too.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Can you see the squiggly lines in each photograph?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yes, okay, so you can see that there's an obvious
comparison here.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
You are correct. The one on the left is from
Mars and the one on the right is from Earth.
These are worm like trace fossils. Okay. Worms burrowed through
something and created these little.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Little markings here. So Barry di Gregorio actually discovered these
ones that we see in the Mars photograph. You can
clearly see they're different color, they're distinct from the rock
that they're on top of. And this is in the
bottom of a of a lake or what used to

(43:53):
be a Lake. So why isn't NASA talking about this,
you know, at least the possibility here. They What they
want to do is say the public believes that NASA
is constantly looking for life on Mars, and they're not.
NASA only sent biology experiments to Mars in nineteen seventy

(44:17):
six and has not sent any biology experiments since then.
So all these rovers that we're sending there, they don't
have any biology experiments on there. All they're doing is
looking at the geology. And they'll tell us that they're
looking for signs of ancient life. Now I don't know
what that means, but if you're only testing it through
geological methods, well, perhaps signs of ancient life.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
To me, that might mean a fossil.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
If you find a dinosaur skeleton, that's a sign of
ancient life, you know. But here we have these funky
little things here, and they might say it's crystal growth
because they have to frame everything in geological terms. But
we have comparisons to something, all right, Now, that's not all.

(45:09):
What we see here is something. This is a sea
creature here on Earth. This is an animal, and it's
called a crinoid. It's like a flowery starfish, all right,
and we find crinoid fossils all over the place here
on Earth. So what you're seeing is a crinoid fossil
here on Earth. And what you can notice, can you

(45:31):
see my mouse pointer? Yes, okay, it's sort of. It
attaches to a sea wall or the seafloor through this stem, okay.
And this stem comes up and then it splits off
into different directions. It'll bifurcate, all right, and that's going
to be important here in a second, this bifurcation. Right now,

(45:56):
I'm going to bring up another comparison image. Gary, we
have two photos of stems. One is on Mars and
one is on Earth. Do you see where each starts

(46:16):
to buy furkate?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Okay? Which one is on Mars and which one is
on Earth?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I would say the one on the right is from Earth.
The one on the left again is from Mars.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
You are correct. This funky little thing here.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
You can see it's got different plates to it. Okay,
it's only about three to four inches long, and it
starts to buy furkate right here.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
We don't see the rest of it. We just see
the stem, all right.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
And you might think, well, anybody could look at that
and say, oh, that's the stem of a crime, just
because they want it to be. I went one step further.
I emailed a paleontologist at the University of Cincinnati and
I asked him what he thought. I said, I need

(47:13):
an expert's eyes on this, and the university professor he
got back to me and he said, this is most
likely the fossil of a ce lily or a crinoid.
I'm like, okay, well, if he thinks it's a fossil
of a of a crinoid, then that's good enough for me.

(47:33):
We have an expert looking at this, an expert, a paleontologist.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Okay, he's used to looking.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
At at fossils and he can identify these things. And
then he asked me where I got it from, and
I told him this is on Mars, and I never
heard back from him. So if we have a paleontologist
who is an expert on crinoid fossils saying this is

(48:03):
either a ce lily or a crinoid, that's good enough
for me because that puts the onus, or rather that
puts the responsibility of identifying this thing.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I'm crediting the academic here.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
And not just your average Joe who might be quote
unquote seeing things. No, and in the film, we've actually
got to crying a different cryanoid specialist looking at this,
one who's been collecting crinoid fossils his whole life. So
we've got people with experience identifying this. And here we have, here,
we have signs of ancient life. It is exactly what

(48:41):
NASA claims they are looking for. This is a NASA
photograph and yes, you know what, this one is one
that they took down off the internet.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
You can't find this on the internet anymore. How tragic
is that?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
But again, you know, it's not about rewriting the books.
It is basically, I hate to say it is they
don't want the population to know that maybe life existed
on Mars and something bad maybe happened on Mars that
could happen to our own planet.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Mmm, I know, I mean, and you know, Gary, we haven't.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Even gotten the real sexy stuff here. We're just talking
about the the microbes. And by the way, there are
more fossils that I didn't get into just for the
sake of time. But you know, if you want, we
could start getting into some of the more interesting things
photographs on the surface.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
The let me see what I can pull up here.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Well, there's sure have been a lot of interesting images
through the years on Mars that definitely look like they
were created by some type of human humanoid life, not
just natural formed scrap chicks.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Right, and that's what that's what we're going to get
into here. Okay, let's see here. Uh all right, let
me share my screen again. Here we go. Okay, now

(50:30):
what you're seeing here, let's let's let's there. There's a
lot of people Gary who claim that there are pyramids
on Mars. We're going all the way to the opposite
end of the spectrum here. Okay, there's a lot of people,
including Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan back in his Cosmos book

(50:56):
and his Cosmos TV series, even based still in the
early low resolution photographs orbiter photographs that NASA took of
Mars said there appears to be pyramids on Mars. And
ever since then there's been you know, people who have
been finding strange pyramidal features on Mars.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Now, this this.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Is hard to hear for a lot of people, because
if in fact these things are pyramids, what is that implied?
Implies that there was once a previous civilization on Mars
that is no longer there. That when I first heard that,
I was deeply unsettled by that. It's not just a
boring desert wasteland of a planet anymore.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Gary.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
What we are seeing here, I'm going to say, with
one hundred percent certainty, this is these things that we're
seeing here.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
There are four different structures.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
These are proven and you know, I don't use that
we're lightly proven to be pyramids.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
On Earth.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Okay, these are pyramids in ruins here on Earth over
in Egypt. Now, you might think, based on these photographs
just looking at these things, they don't really look like pyramids,
do they because they're in disrepair. And it's not until

(52:29):
you walk up to them and start examining them closely
that you can. Only then can you confirm that these
are pyramids. But we know for certain that they are pyramids.
And even based on these satellite images of what appear
to be these broken down pyramids, we can say that, Okay,

(52:51):
even though it doesn't look like it, we know it
to be true. All right now. I'm showing you this
for one important reason, because we have better examples of
pyramids on Mars that are in better shape than this.

(53:16):
And I know what a lot of people are thinking,
you can't have pyramids on Mars. That can't possibly be
true because that's on Mars, and NASA if they would
have found them, they would have told us yeah, and oh,
by the they might even throw in this famous quote.
I'm sure you've heard this, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,

(53:40):
which is a famous quote by Carl Sagan. People like
to say that when they hear something for the first
time that challenges their understanding of the universe, they say, well,
that sounds like nonsense. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, thus
meaning you don't have the right, you don't have any
evidence to back up what you just said. So when

(54:01):
I hear that, I respond with another quote from Carl Sagan,
taken from Cosmos, in which he says intelligent life first
reveals itself through the geometric regularity of its construction, meaning
if you're an alien and a flying saucer looking down

(54:24):
on Earth, how do you know that there's intelligent life
here on Earth? You will first identify intelligent life based
on the geometric regularity of our constructions. We're talking buildings,
square buildings, we're talking straight lines, roads, we're talking major
infrastructure that indicates there's something other than just primitive life here.

(54:46):
You look at our constructions, you look at how geometric
they are, how symmetric they are. Okay, So if we're
using Carl Sagan to call into question the evidence for
pyramids on Mars, then we can and also use Carl
Sagan to frame the evidence the extraordinary evidence for pyramids,

(55:07):
because pyramids are symmetrical and they have geometrics.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Now, I'm going to jump in here. We need to
take about a three minute break and we'll be back,
and we're going to be you know, showing images of pyramids.
And when you really think about it, we have pyramids
on our planet. Why would they be on Mars unless
they had a civilization. And you know what is unique
all around our world there's pyramids. They didn't have internet,

(55:37):
they didn't have any way to communicate to other civilizations
on the planet. Why do we have pyramids all over
our planet? It's kind of interesting now you know, again
on Mars, why do they have Is there a tie
between the two. We'll find all that when we come back.

(55:58):
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(56:28):
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(56:53):
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(57:15):
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(57:40):
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Speaker 2 (58:56):
And we are back. And again That's what I'm pulling,
what little hair I have out of my head is
if you really look at our planet with the pyramids,
why would there be pyramids well on Mars.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
What viewers and listeners need to understand is that Mars
used to be a blue planet long before Earth. Okay,
we were not first to become blue in this solar system.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
So is it.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Any should it come as any surprise that if it
was Earth like in the distant past and it gave
rise to intelligent life, would it not have a similar trajectory?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
You know?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
And given the evidence that we see, the answer you
might considered be yes.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
So we're going to pick up here where we left off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Let's see here here we go, all right, So again,
what you're seeing here are the remains of broken pyramids
here on Earth. These are just ruins, all right. They
weren't built the same quality as the Giza Plateau pyramids.

(01:00:20):
Now what we're going to look at next is a
pyramid down in Teotiwa Khan that's in Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
This is called the Pyramid of the Moon. All right. Now,
what you'll notice is that you have four sides.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
This is kind of a flat top, and it's got
this front little stared steps on front here right now, Gary,
if you imagine what would happen on Earth if we
just left this alone for five hundred years, what do
you think would happen?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Well, it wouldn't look quite like that anymore. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
These some of these pyramids have been around for a
very long time millennia, So given their construction, the underlying
architecture might still remain. But nature, you know what happens
to an old house when people abandoned it. Nature sort
of just takes over again. Right, You will have lots.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, I was going to say the pyramids. They figure
the pyramids on our planet had a metallic covering on
it originally and it has worn away. So I mean
I can see that. You know, things like that would
happen there too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Right, So we're dealing with two different forces when we
over the long period of time, we're going to be
dealing with erosional forces wind and water, okay, which might
lead to the degradation okay, which probably led to these
things wind and water right over, over time they just
sort of degrade. But for those more fortified structures they

(01:01:59):
might still be intact.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
But we're dealing with the set.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
You might deal with a separate problem over a long
geological time, a long period of time, which is sediment
deposition where wind is blowing dust and dirt on top
of it and then the plants start overtaking it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
So after five hundred years, this thing might.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Just look like a hill with plants on top of
it and all these sharp edges, you might not be
so clear anymore. Right now, on Mars, we don't have
the plant problem. We really don't have the erosion problem.
There's there are winds, but the winds aren't really that strong,

(01:02:44):
so it's still blowing around dust. We actually, you know,
Nassail will even photograph dust devil, so dust is still
blown around. And given that NASA and the rest of
the scientific community think that Mars turned from blue to
read billions of years ago, if there were any structures

(01:03:04):
on Mars, there's possibly been millions or billions of years
of sediment deposition on top. Wind might have been blowing
dust and sand on top of anything for millions and
billions of years.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
So you can imagine what that might look like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Now I show you this because my friend in South
Africa he might want to talk to on this show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
His name is Jean Ward.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
He has a website called megalithicmarrs dot com. He publishes
new discoveries that he makes twice a week, and he
is responsible for what I'm about to show you. He
is responsible for discovering this structure on Mars, which in
my opinion, looks a hell of a lot like the

(01:03:53):
thing that we see here in Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Or side.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
It does flat top, and it's got this little front
little section here. Now we don't see steps, And I
would argue that's because what you see here has a
few million years at least of sediment deposition, Like it's
just had wind blowing sand on top of it. So

(01:04:20):
it's not going to be pristine. What structure would be
pristine after millions, if not billions of years?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Makes me I also wonder and how much is buried
under ground on Mars from the sand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yes, that's also true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
One last interesting fact about this structure here on Mars.
You want to take a guess about how big that
thing is? I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
This might come as a surprise to people. But because
the gravity is a lot lower, things can just be
simply bigger on Mars, structure here on Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Is over two miles wide.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Now you might ask yourself, Hey, you know what, maybe
that's a volcano?

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Is that a volcano? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Do volcanoes have four flat sides here on Earth?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
They sure don't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
They sure don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
So you know, I don't know about you, but that
kind of looks like a pyramid to me. And guess what, folks,
that's not the only one. We've got dozens of these things.
I'm only going to show you the tip of the iceberg. Okay,
this is an excellent fine because it has such a
great comparison to the pyramid of the Moon in Mexico.

(01:05:48):
Now next, look here at this wide shot of an
orbiter photograph. We're looking straight down from a satellite image.
All right, do you see anything that catches your eye?

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Gary, I see a couple of things. It catches my eye.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I tried to make it real obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Well, it's on the left side. I can tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Well, what we're going to be looking at here is
in the center of the screen. Okay, that's right here.
Can you see this thing right here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Well, that looks like the pyramid you just showed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It kind of does you can identify? Even from this distance.
Let's get an up close look this one again not
in Pristine's shape, but this is three sided. Okay, Now,
what in nature? This is actually just bigger than the

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Great Pyramid in Egypt. What I ask, what in nature
makes a three sided symmetrical structure like this? Again, remember
what Carl Sagan said, Intelligent life first reveals itself through
the geometric regularity of its constructions.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
We have three equal sides here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
One is sort of damaged and it's a little rounded
off here on the bottom. But you can clearly see
there's nothing else like it in the area. What geological
process would have created something like this in the middle
of nowhere. It's not part of a mountain range. It's
not conical, it's not irregularly shaped. It has three expressions

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of the same geometry here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
This is not a volcano.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
No volcano also would not just have one volcano like that.
It would be you know, all around it. You'd be
able to see because as a volcano forms it. It
doesn't look like any volcano that I have ever seen.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Yeah, here's a different shot of it. It's it, but
you can clearly see it. It has these sides to it.
You know that that's a side because we have this
ridge here. It's not pristine, but what would be after
millions or billions of years? Now, in the interest of time,

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I'll just sort of get through the next ones quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Here again, wide shot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Do you see anything interesting in this shot here, Gary,
I'm trying to make it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Unfortunately the monitor I'm looking at it's not that sharp.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
So that's okay. This is this? Okay, So I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
See I see another another right there?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Something right there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
And what does it need to? What is it next to?
This is such in an we have a crater. This
crater is two and a half miles wide with a

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surrounding ejecta debris field here. Okay, something smashed into Mars
and ejected a lot of the material out, and that's
what we can see now, Gary. Logically speaking, how does
anything directly adjacent to an impact, a meteor impact survive

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the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
It would have been massive damage done to at least
one side of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
This thing is in Pristine's shape, sitting right on the
lip of an impact crater. And might I also add
the surrounding ejecta here is not covering this thing, meaning
this thing, whether or not triller artificial, was created after

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this impact. It's not part of any mountain range. And again,
what do we see here even in this high contrast,
low resolution photograph. I'll show you a better photograph here
in a second. But we see one, two, three, four, sides.
We do not see a caldera. Now, NASA actually took
an updated image of this photograph just a couple of

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years ago, and we get to see a better quality
version of this. You can clearly see this is a
side side side side. We have four sides. There is
no caldera. This structure here is one point seven miles wide. Now,
one point seven miles wide for a pyramid sounds huge,

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but again, Mars has a lot lower gravity. You can
build things bigger there without it being a problem. And
I might also add that one point seven miles wide
is really small, in fact, arguably too small to be
a volcano.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Volcanoes on March are huge.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
There's size they're They're the size of large cities or
even states. The average size of volcanoes on Mars is
one hundred miles wide, and this thing's only one point
seven But we have sides, no caldera, no damage, sitting
right next to the crater. How does something like that
form naturally?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
He can't. How's NASA respond to that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
NASA actually did a video on this, so for those
of you interested in the deep dive on this. NASA
calls this a knob ko k n o b knob.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Now, what is a knob?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Knob is a different way of saying a different word
called came ka m What is a came A came
is when a glacier picks up a lot of loose
dirt and rocks and carries it with it and then
deposits it in a pile. And I might make a
mound or a little hill. All right, I disagree with that.

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And this thing is one point seven miles wide. What
kind of glacier is going to make something that is
four triangular sides that is one point seven miles wide?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
But you would see if it was a glacier cousin it,
you would see proof of that before and after that
a pyramid. Now we got a call in. Let's take
the call in. Who do we have?

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
This is Barb, Hi, Barb.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
How are you doing before Christmas? Okay, okay, you got
a question?

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Yeah. I had a couple of things I wanted to say.
First of all, I wanted to let you know I
think your presentation is so good, so well given, and
it's compelling. I'm learning a lot. And also I wanted
to take the opportunity to tell everyone including you and
Gary and his family. Anybody who's listening, Merry Christmas and

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Happy New Year, since this is the last show of
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Well thank you, Barb. Do you think life evolved on
Mars at one point, Barb?

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
I think it's possible. Okay, I don't know for sure
that it did, but I think it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Very interesting. I really do know, or I don't know,
but in my heart I know there was life on
Mars one time. Because too many things is compelling on that, Barb,
and I want to wish you and your family a
very happy holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Thank you, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Okay, you take care you too, But you know it's
too much. You know, we look at the Pyramids and
our boy, our time is going fast. We only got
less than fifteen minutes. How about other structures, you know,
I've seen, you know, about two years ago, a year ago,
on the side of a mound that looked like a

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doorway going into it. And again they said, oh, it's not.
NASA said, that's not. But when you clearly look at it,
and you know, with my special software, I looked at it,
and to me it's compelling that it was some type
of interis in it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah, there's there's lots of oddities on Mars, and there's
such a variety of oddities on Mars that it's just like,
it's hard to believe that you can simply explain it
all away with geology.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
And that's exactly what NASA wants to do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
They'll tell you first, they'll insult you by saying you're
just seeing things. Yeah, they love using the big fancy
P word paradolia. Okay, and then they'll say, no, there's
a common geological explanation for this, which is just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Okay, we got another color. Let's take it real quick here. Okay,
who do we have? You got a c here ACDC today?

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Yeah, we got that. Yeah, yeah, I got really fascinating issue.
You know, I'm just going to give this that. I'm
not saying it's true. But when they show the the
the earth as a you know, flat earth, and the
dome and they say the water is above, and I

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see a I see a video of showing like a craft,
not even the not one of our NASA crafts, but
showing like a video of a craft going through this
firmament and going into water. And then they said it's water,
So my question would be, are we space water or

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does it go through water to space? And one of
the biggest things I want to know, there's air sposed
to be oxygen on these planets.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
Is that mean there's oxygen in space or is there
any way you can defy the procedure of our crafts
coming from our Earth out to a planet with the
material of spaces in a sense between the people's skeptical
of saying water space, you know, and then there's air
on planets, a breathable That would be my question. And

(01:16:24):
I'll take that off the air and Merry Christmas to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Huh okay, okay, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yeah, I'm not sure how to answer that one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I'm sorry, yeah, because you know, it's a little bit
off what we're talking about. So you know, again you know,
the formation of the planet. I know. Anyway going on here?
What do you think, like I mentioned about some of
these structures that are so compelling that if we're made

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by some intelligent life form.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I've got one more photo I can show that's a
little different than what we've been looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Is that? Okay? Yeah, go ahead, okay, m what okay?

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
All right, Gary let's see if let's see if you
can find it here. This is a this is a
rover photograph. This is a this is a typical rover photograph.
And what are rover photographs show us? Mostly they show
us a lot of rocks all over the place. Now

(01:17:46):
in this photo, do you see anything that sticks out
as not being the same as the rest of it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
On the right side, towards the top, on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
The right side, towards the top. Okay, what about towards
the bottom?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah, coon, see.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
What, yes, exactly, We're gonna take a look here, this
thing right here. Now, even from we're gonna zoom in
just a little bit here in a minute. But even
from this distance, you can see, number one, that it
is not rugged like the rest of the landscape, and

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it's a different color.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
If we zoom into it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Well, it doesn't look like it was made from natural
you know, it doesn't look like it it formed like
from volcanic or anything. To me, it looks like a cylinder.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
This, yes, it does.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
It looks like a cylinder, a perfectly smooth, symmetrical with
a stretch, and cylinder that is buried into the hillside.
This is not part of the rover. This thing has
just been sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I like you to know what is attached to I'll
tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
That it's so odd.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Obviously it does not look like anything surrounding it. This
was found by a gentleman in Israel. His name is
Ramy bar Alon and this image, my friend John Ward
in South Africa was able to clean up the image
and remove some of the distortion here. But we have

(01:19:39):
an anomaly here taken by the curiosity rover. Now the
curiosity rover. Why is the operator of the curiosity rover
not curious enough to go get a closer look at
this thing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
But my question to you did they and that they
didn't publish it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Well, we've got this photo. Did they not publish it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Who knows? Maybe, But this is an anomaly here. This
is what I'm talking about. This is one of dozens,
and in the film we show a lot more. On
my YouTube channel, we show a lot more. Jean Ward
has found one hundred of these weird looking things and

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they're not all the same. So you know, some might
not work for you, and I get that, but something
like this is just a little too hard to argue with.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Well, it's considering if you look at the landscape there.
It doesn't fit in at all. And by the way,
I hate to say this, well in a way we
got another call, go ahead, who do we have?

Speaker 8 (01:20:51):
This is Tom?

Speaker 7 (01:20:52):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Tom? How are you doing? Did you buy me a
Christmas present?

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
Ah? I'm still working on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Okay. You got a question for against?

Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
Yeah, I do. He's given an excellent presentation tonight and
I very much appreciate his dissertation and the photos that
he showed. My question to him is pertaining to the
exploration that NASA has done. How much pertaining to truths

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that you may be aware of has not been disclosed
to us on planet Earth by NASA? Pertaining to things
that they probably know about not only Mars, but the Moon,
and it has not been disclosed. I mean, you've given

(01:21:44):
some ample evidence of things that, for all intensive purposes,
are not natural. They were probably manufactured or created by whomever.
And how much of that do you think been covered
up by NASA?

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
I think it's I think they just ignore.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
I think there's a culture of NASA that is trained
not to see these things as they really are, so,
you know, implying that there is a cover Thanks for
the question, Tom, and I appreciate the comments implying that
there's a cover up. Would would say that there's some
nefarious actors there, and they're very well could be. I

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just think that the culture there basically says, hey, NASA,
if you're working for us, you have to be able
to explain this using geology. That is our perspective. NASA
is behind on the overall topic of disclosure. I mean,
even with something you know, more more visible in the

(01:22:50):
public relating to UFOs, you know, they're still taking their
sweet time to come around and acknowledging these these funny
things that we see in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
So is there a lot that they haven't really talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Yes, as it relates to UFOs, As it relates to Mars,
they don't talk about any of this stuff as it
relates to Mars. And yes, I've heard some interesting things
about the moon. You know, they just don't want to
be in that business. So maybe it's not appropriate to
point our finger at them so much because they just
want to do the scientific gathering of the data. They

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just don't really want to be involved in the business
of analyzing it or interpreting the data using anything other
than geological methods.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
That's my perspective.

Speaker 8 (01:23:40):
All right, Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it,
and I also appreciated your comment on Earth, not at
one time or another being the only blue planet in
the Solar System.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Yeah, well, you're You're very welcome. You know, there's there's
a lot more to the story. Unfortunately, looks like we're
running out of time. But you know, in the film,
we cover all the stuff we talked about and a
whole lot more so for those of you interested, you know,
you know, please go see the more complete story there.
And obviously I follow up everything on my YouTube channel.

(01:24:14):
But you know, Tom, thanks for tuning in tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Now, a question is, because we're almost out of time,
do you have something really thrilling to let people have
a hard time sleeping tonight to digest what is on Mars?

Speaker 9 (01:24:32):
Oh goodness, well, any structures anything like that, Like how
about like I was talking to you about that entrance
that was like on the side of a bank on Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I mean, again, there's a lot of compelling things they
seem things like it looked like a fossil of a
dinosaur bone. I mean, there's a lot of things that
has come out where it again. It's really getting interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Okay, I'll show you one more thing, all right, that
is unlike what we've been looking at today. Okay, I
just need to figure out how to all right, let's
do a share here we go. Okay, what I'm about

(01:25:28):
to show you here, let's do this up no few
full screen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Here we go. Okay, can you see these interesting lines here?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Yeah? That that that is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Okay, we see these interesting lines, especially this area right here.
Now NASA again, I always like to check to see
if NASA did try to interpret this stuff, and of
course they did, and of course they used geological explanations.
They will call this, it's a technical term. They call

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this patterned ground. Now up in the Arctic regions, in
the permafrost, when the soil freezes and thaws, it sometimes
creates geometric patterns on the ground, and they call that
patterned ground, all right, and it's polygonal in nature, and

(01:26:30):
it's repeated. It kind of just looks like dry lake
beds that are dried out so much they start cracking
all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
All Right. I would argue that that's not what we're
looking at here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
It doesn't look like that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
If you do a comparison, let's see do I have Yeah,
if you do a comparison, I would argue this actually
looks more like one of two things, rice paddy fields

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or fish farms. Okay, if you do, let's come on exit.
Oh the my counting exit uh exit full screen. Sorry,
this is not working for me here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Anyway. This this was found by h.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Joe White, gentleman by the name of Joe White, and
we we what's so interesting is that we have these
lines here and it looks like you had this this
groove right in the center of them all, as if
it was some sort of wall, and you see some
terminating in angles here. My buddy in South Africa, Jean Ward,

(01:28:04):
just did a whole elaborate video on this and he
provides some examples of comparison images to rice patty fields.
So I would encourage you to and you can find that,
you know, if you watch my stuff, you can find
his stuff through my stuff as well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
I'm constantly promoting his work.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
So these are just interesting structures because this does not
appear to be the pattern ground that NASA wants to
claim that it is. In my opinion, it looks more
like rice patty fields or perhaps fish farms, so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Well some type of Yeah, it looks like it was
created by intelligence, not you know, natural. Now, if we
had images, you know, surrounding areas, what did it look like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Well, you know, we can kind of take a look
at the surrounding area we have. It doesn't go everywhere,
It just sort of terminates here and then we just
have just regular, you know, kind of boring landscape up here,
and then all of a sudden we have this weird
stuff here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
And this this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Area is near the equator on Mars, so patterned ground
usually indicates frozen areas, but this, this is at the equator,
which is arguably a lot warmer than the poles. So

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given Mars is you know, a lot colder than Earth
all over the place. If it was that cold at
the equator, you might expect to see this elsewhere, but
you don't. So it leads me to believe that this
there's something more going on here, these these lines here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah, it just doesn't look weird. Yeah, it is very
is there any way too? You know, next day or
two you could send me that image because I'm who
are to my producer and he can send it to me.
I really want to look at that and do some
compos yes, of course. Yeah, well how can they find was? First?

(01:30:19):
Do you have a website you can share? Second is
how can they find your YouTube channel?

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Okay? So for the you know what I should do?

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Let me just bring up a slide for people to
see this as well, just to just to clarify it.
Only just take me a second because I have this
so people can see it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Scrow all the way down here. Okay, let me put
this over there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Yeah, you slideshow, share a screen here we go, all right,
So for those of you who are interested in seeing
the documentary, please visit the website blue planetred dot net
all right, and just click the big red button as

(01:31:10):
soon as you get there on the homepage, and it
will take you to a blog post and has all
the links there. It's on Amazon, It's on a few
other streaming networks. Some of them are advertising supported, so
you just can click it and it's got ads that
will play. Or you can watch it on Amazon pay
a few bucks dur on Amazon Prime. I also have

(01:31:31):
a few Blu ray and DVD copies left of my
original pressing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
I only got a few left.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
But you can also watch it on Exfinity, Verizon FiOS,
Cable Video on Demand, Charter Spectrum, Cox, those sorts of things.
You can actually put it, pull it up in your
cable box. So that's the documentary, and I recommend starting
there first. It's two hours. There's a lot more in there. Okay,

(01:32:00):
we haven't even got to the really terrifying stuff. I
started off saying that there's a terrifying story. We haven't
even got to that stuff. But there's a lot more
in there that just need more time to explain for
so we've ran out of time tonight. But after you
watch the documentary, please check out my YouTube channel and
you can find me on YouTube at Brian Corey Dobbs.

(01:32:20):
Just as you see here, you can also find me
on x at Brian Corey Dobbs. Where the YouTube channel
is really the continuation of the documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
I've learned some new stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
I've got my guys in the MARS community who are
discovering new stuff, and the story continues. But really the
best starting place is the documentary Blue Planet, Red dot net.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Check that out and then confind me online.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Oh great. I want to thank you so much for
coming on because you know you answered a lot of
questions to me about Mars, and you know, maybe we
need to get you on here in the near future,
get to go on to part two of this. There's
a lot of questions that I have and I'm sure
the listeners have a lot of more questions too, because again,

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could we end up like Mars. What's your feeling?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Yes, we could. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
I don't really want to get into the specifics because
it might spoil it for people, but I mean, we
only touched it, like on less than half of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
There's so much more to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
And my motivation for making this film is because I'm
sitting around here looking at all this stuff wondering why
hasn't anybody made a film about this? So I said, well,
someone's got to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
I guess I could do it. And you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Was fortunate enough to meet the right people to help
me put it together. And there's a Mars community. They're
not well known to most people, but I'm trying to
elevate everyone working on this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
It's not just about my film.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
It's about all the researchers who we have the benefit
of them taking their spare time sifting through thousands of
images finding anomalies we have. We owe them, are you
know our applause because they're the ones doing the hard
work finding this stuff. I'm just trying to elevate and
help them get a little bit more exposure because the

(01:34:12):
Marsh community has been marginalized for far too long, and
I'm trying to change that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
I think you're doing a really good job. Well, my friend,
I want to thank you for coming on. I want
you to have a happy holiday. Our holidays is coming up.
And again I'll have my producer get a hold of
you and we'll get you on for part two.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
How's that that sounds great? Thank you very much. I
appreciate everyone for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Okay, my friend, you take care.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Yeah, same to you, my friend. Okay, JC, are you
getting all set for Christmas?

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
White Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
This year?

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
It's going to be a white weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
I can tell you this. In Washington State, I tell you,
if you want to go swimming, just go out of
your house and you can go. You know, swimming. It
is really bad. The governor has declared a national disaster
to our states. There's been quite a few people have
perish because of all this water, and it's we haven't

(01:35:14):
had what they're saying, it's been many, many years since
we had this what's going on and you get damage
it's doing to people's home, cars, and and you know,
all their possessions. I mean, it's going to be a
bad Christmas for a lot of people here.

Speaker 10 (01:35:32):
Yeah, you're getting a flood of the century. And I
can't stress this more. If you're coming across running water,
driving through it, walking through it, it's only got to
be five miles an hour. It can take you off
your feet or move your vehicle down the river. Man,
you don't don't, don't chance it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Oh there's a guy up in Snowhomie in his sub.
It took a you know, oh gee, I can go
across that. And he got halfway through it and then
he started just floating away and he drowned. I mean,
he got to be really careful. And they said tonight
and even tomorrow, we're going to get a lot more rain,

(01:36:12):
more flooding, and a lot more damage, you know for business.
And this is a wrong time with our economy of
all this happening. Now, everybody, we're going to be off
the air to the first week of January, and who
do we have the first couple of guests in January.

Speaker 10 (01:36:30):
Well, we have Gary Housel time coming on. He's from
the UK. He's got a different look and a kind
of a different views on UFOs and he's a research
researcher and with a lot of encounters with some UFOs
in the UK. So he's gonna be fascinating actually.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
And then then.

Speaker 10 (01:36:46):
Then we got Standeo coming back on. He hasn't been
on for a couple of years, but he's good talk
about sunflares and UFOs and fair day cages and what
we need to do and can do.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
So he's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Yeah, so we got some good shows lined up and
everybody is listening. If you can give a thumbs up
and leave a comment, that's very important for our sponsors.
And also here's something that's really critical, subscribe to the
channel if you haven't. I'm predicting by Sunday we'll be
over four hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:37:22):
I think I can see that happening. So I'm excited
about that move into a different tier.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Yeah. So that's what's interesting is the age group eighteen
to twenty four and then twenty five to thirty five
is our core. We're pulling a lot of young people
that listen to the show worldwide. You know, some of
the countries my rep from YouTube told me is places
like Mexico, Puerto Rico, the UK, Poland, Romania, Canada, Germany,

(01:37:56):
Canada big time, really big time. We're getting to be
one of the bigger shows in Canada.

Speaker 7 (01:38:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
And not just that, then that we also had the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand,
Spain and uh, India and Pakistan. It's crazy worldwide and
and and I don't know how it's happened, but I
want to thank everybody who listens to the show and
again tell your friends about us is very important. And

(01:38:26):
anything you want to say before we sign off.

Speaker 10 (01:38:29):
Yeah, just be safe out there, don't do anything crazy.
And if you see it running water, don't chance it
and go around.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
And I want to say to you barb Hi and
uh then Tom and Art and who else out there.
There's been a lot of still going on, chat on
and off all night.

Speaker 10 (01:38:46):
Yeah, December was there and audio otacious Amber was on there. Jeez,
who else? Let me take a quick peak. Yeah that's
the human there's all swamp donkey. There was a lot
of different people, but just a few got in chat
and chatted, you know what I mean. But there's a
lot on but then in chat and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
I want to thank everybody it called in. Now let's
do this and then i'll catch you all the first
week at January, and again, thank you all for making
all this happen.

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