Ep. 228 | Aren & Cody | Stranger by the Hour Podcast - Former Action Guys Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:40):
I'm just like running through my head. I'm like looking
at my stuff and making sure everything's plugged in. And
you know, I'm sure you guys have experienced technical issues as.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You're recordings, like half the time, like whole.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Videos are ruined. Oh yeah, various reasons.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
People don't know until they start recording a podcast. How
much of a pain in the acid is to record
a podcast, and how much work. I've lost entire interviews.
I've done an interview with someone and then realized afterwards
that it wasn't recording, and I'm like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry, and then I have to like, let
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And it's just you're doing it yourself. You don't have
an engineer. You don't have an employee that's responsible for that.
You know, that's like they're trained in it and stuff.
You could. It's a definitely that's a real job, like
being an engineer for podcasts or any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, this is actually a couple of days ago. I'm
going to so I'm trying I'm gonna start doing or
I'm gonna try to start doing like a phone in show.
I'm not gonna put the name out there yet, but
I'm figuring out how to take live phone calls and
record it all and try to do all of it myself,
you know what I'm saying, using like a Google voice
phone number, which a little easier, but.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know how. So I watch a lot of
like debate stuff online and they they have they have
cracked the code on the call ins, like they have
high quality call ins that the people from they'll do
like a debate, and then they'll open it up to
people that just like pay a super chat to come
on and like give a question or something. But sometimes
sometimes they video I'm in, But a lot of times
it's like a call like a radio show. So I'll

(02:09):
send you some links to the ones that I think
are doing it right and you can maybe figure out
from them. But it's definitely a like a lot of
people are doing the calling thing. I think it's a
good idea. Yeah, So it gives people an opportunity to participate.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
You know exactly. So for the people watching this, hopefully
that'll be coming out here pretty soon. I'd like to
do it weekly, you know, at least do thirty minutes
to an hour, maybe it'll go longer. I'm the first
few are gonna be a shit show, because it's gonna
be me trying to figure out how to do it,
how to take calls, how to do calls like, you know,
and then you're gonna have idiots calling in and stuff

(02:40):
like that too. So it would definitely be easier if
I had another person, well you could.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So you know, if you found somebody like one of
your fans or something that was willing, that other person
doesn't have to be co located with you to be
your call screener, because if you use like stream yard
or something like that, you put them in a lobby
and then your call, or you do it on discord.
This is just all what I observe from the debate
doork Rovi that I'm I'm in, like I'm watching like
philosophy debates, like like but like they'll have a stream

(03:11):
yard or some other software type thing, or they'll do
it in their discord. So they're live on YouTube, they're
running a discord, their mods are moderating the discord, and
then they're pulling guys from the discord or like they'll
be like, hey, dude, this guy Tim has a real
good question, you know, relate to the topic whom Tim
comes on here it is and give the question, and
they're pulling them from the lobby and the discord. I've
heard in the discord while the show's going, they're in

(03:33):
there talking. You can't hear it on the show, but
they're in there chatting and talking and having a whole
kind of exchange in the discord.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I actually started a former Action guy's discord like a
year and a half, two years ago, maybe longer, I
don't even remember. But I don't ever get on there
because I don't I don't mess with it.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
But yeah, it's weird discord, Like it's confusing to me.
I haven't figured out how because I got on Discord
to try to do a mid Journey ship.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah. I used to use mid Journey
for the AI art.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah yeah. I was into it when it first came out,
just because I was like fascinated by I'm like, damn,
I can just like type shit and make pictures. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, but it's I've found myself. When I was using it,
it was like I was I never got what exactly
what I wanted, right. It's so people will think that like, oh,
I can just do this and make T shirts, or
I can do this and do graphic because it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Can't do like letters and stuff like accurately.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
It gives you a general idea. I've told people that
use it for or that have considered using it for
graphic design or whatever. I'm like, use it to make like, uh,
individual aspects, like hey, I need to do something that
has a skull and crossbones or something like that. Well,
I'll have a generate skull and crossbones and then I'll
do the rest of the work. I'll do like the
text and the circle and you know, all the different
objects in the in the image and stuff like that.

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So that is good, but you can't it's not really
good for one off like in state, like the photo
I was ready to print or something like that. I
actually canceled my mid journey last year, I think, and
I used and I was like, I'm just gonna use
chat GPT because if the paid version of chat GPT
does artwork as well.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
And yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Use Adobe products as well for like all my graphic
design and for my video editing and stuff for the podcast.
And there's an AI part of Photoshop now too, But
it's still none of it's really that like great, Like
you're not getting what you want on your first go
most of the time, but to where world we're moving
into that direction, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's not good.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So Aaron Cody, I want to have you guys on
you guys wanna kind of maybe give yourself a quick
intro and tell people about your podcast before we get going.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, yeah, so I'll go first. I guess my name
is Cody Anderston and this is the Former Action Guys podcast.
So what makes me a former Action Guy is joined
the Marines in nineteen ninety eight. I was an infeture
guy first. You can catch up on the deep dive
of this on one of Justin's earlier shows, and basically,
long story short as I ended up helping him start
Marstok with this guy here, So we ended up behind

(06:06):
the fence of Marsk a total of about sixteen years
between active duty and contracting time, and twenty twenty one
started Farman, I started to wrap all that up and yeah,
start building a homestead. You know, there were several things
that kind of happened during that time and some wild
stuff that was going on in the world that made
me think that resiliency was of prime importance in my life.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yep. My name is Aaron Branfast. I was on
a couple episodes of The Former Action Guys, so you
can go check out in my career, but particularly retired marine.
I know Cody from Marsak and from contracting, and i'd say,
our show kind of started out as mostly like we
were interested in you know, conspiracy, yeah, es terry, you know,

(06:52):
like where the pyramids come from, that type of stuff,
And it kind of evolved just because we started, you know,
writ when Code kicked off, so couldn't help but talk
about all the weirdness surrounding COVID, which leads into kind
of like an unorthodox perspective on politics and you know,
the government and things like that. And I'd say the

(07:12):
tone and tenor of our show as of late is
like we we've kind of gone through this whole confrontation
of what like what our government uses the military for,
what our role was in the global War on Terror,
Like how that you know, what was our role and
all that, and how to deal with the fact that
we now kind of both can both conceive of that

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whole time and those wars as being completely illegally moral, unethical,
and unnecessary, and and how that's still okay because you know,
like I was having a blast, so like that's kind
of how I but that's kind of like what our
show just kind of confronts those things, and you know,
like you're you know, obviously a lot of veterans listen
to your show, So just try to take take what
the kind of stuff we say with a grain of salt.

(07:55):
Where we don't hate the country, we don't hate the
people in the country. But a lot of times if
this is the first time people are hearing some of
the stuff we say, it's like, damn, I was, I
was thinking about this just real quick, then I'll shut up.
But like, we're the three of us, and a lot
of people that listen to your show are in a
unique position because like new new wars are on the horizon,
right new young people are you know, gonna look at

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the opportunities that the military presents or have some feel
some patriotic duty to go kill Russians or Iranians or
Chinese people or whatever. We're in a unique position of
having done all that stuff. So it's like you can't
accuse us as being being Pussy's like, you can't say
these guys are anti war because they don't have the
stones to go, you know, fight, And it's like, that's

(08:38):
that's not true.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
You'd have to work pretty hard to find a couple
of people with more time doing that thing. So so
we're in a unique position to challenge that and be like, hey, look,
you're gonna you're gonna march a bunch of you know,
high school wrestlers and farm boys from Kansas off to
their doom again for what. Let's make sure you know
it's worthwhile.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So all right, I'll shut it and I'll just kind
of clean that up on the last part with our
podcast is I think the thing that kind of makes
us interesting is that around twenty sixteen time frame, going
in twenty seventeen, i'd say heavily, we we really went
down the rabbit hole in our old military job of
psychological operations, information operations, military deception. You know, we we

(09:18):
kind of both ended our stint at MARSOC within the
G three nine, which the three nine is your information
operations directorate of your operations, so you know, during the
lockdowns of twenty twenty, whenever the hell that was right, Yeah,
you know, we both just kind of found ourselves in
a room together and we just started looking, you know,

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in the office. You know you're just like, not really
you know, missions have sort of died down during that time,
so you just have time to just sort of like
look at what people are saying and then run it
through what we would typically use as a planning process
for an information operation, you know, we would we would
look to see, is there a deception target? You know,
is their rhetoric? Know, is there is? Can we see

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conduits all putting out the same information? Right like it's
almost like a So we just started looking at it
like that. And that's really what we brought to a
stranger by the hour, is the fact that you know,
we are both trained military deception personnel. So when we're
looking at these things, we're like, yo, man, if I
was right, if I was writing a mission, and that's
the way it would look right there. And this is
the reason why, And this is probably what they're trying

(10:24):
to say.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Like I could see there was a today there New
York Times release an op ed saying that they were
deceived by the government and that it does look like
that the coronavirus started in a lab and all this
other stuff like basically hitting that everyone that they called
conspiracy labs for years was correct.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
A quick quick note, A quick note about the New
York Times. Okay, so you know, of course the New
York Times is a privately owned company. It's owned, but
I can't remember the name of the family that historically
owned it. But this is a privately owned enterprise that
is cooperate, that is in a private private public partnership
with the US government. So the funk of the New
York Times is for the establishment and people need to

(11:04):
kind of get out of this left right republican democrat binary.
That's synthetic, Okay, So both sides, So the neokon, the neoliberal,
the neoliberal neocon global order. The people that you know,
the Victoria News of the World that go out and
make sure we have a war in Ukraine to go
fight and things like that. They the New York Times

(11:25):
is a signal producing entity that like, that's how they
know what their worldview needs to be like, because it's
not like there's people in meetings, you know, in rooms
having meetings and they send out an email and everybody
gets their marching orders. They get their marching orders from
the New York Times. The articles in the New York
Times inform these people of what the establishment political orthodoxy

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has to think about X y Z issue. That's the
purpose of the New York Times. Now it's lost a
lot of its power because the things that we're saying.
It was saying are so obviously fallacious and wrong that
people can't help but notice so like the kind of
their powers draining. So now they're doing this cleanup like oh,
oh they tricked us about the COVID, like you can

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trust us, Like oh they oh geez, you know, I
was sure, which I didn't get six boosters. I wish
you know, Oh shucks, they lied, Like no, you lied,
you knew and you lied. You're a conduit for their
propaganda and they're nonsense at.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Least responsible for not fact checking their information.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, you're right.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah. People think that places like North Korea are the
only places that are continuously propagandaized by their leadership just
because they see like there's a loud speaker on the
corner playing the great leader's message at all times. It's like, well,
we have a CNN on every single TV show, TV
in the airport constantly putting out the official narrative and
rags like Aaron just said, like that these things might

(12:44):
as well be leaflet drops. I mean, they're not dropping
them from a helicopter with the with the party's information.
They're they're making you buy the party's information.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Basically and real quick, especially overseas. I think people don't
realize when they see that, Like they talk about over
sees like all this country, like the people can't believe
what's happening in the US or the citizens I can't
believe that these things are occurring. How could they allow
how could they elect Donald Trump? How can they do
these things? And I'm like, you got to realize that
the people overseas are seeing very narrow, a very narrow

(13:16):
spectrum of the news, and it's mostly like CNN or
like New York Times, and and that's just not an
accurate portrayal of what's actually happening in America, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Well, and the other the other thing people overseas are
seeing is our So you know, our celebrity culture is
you know, stared at and worshiped by people all over
the world. So our celebrities are conduits for this propaganda.
So your George Clooney's, your Sean Pen's every loud you know,
liberal Hollywood person. So case in point, they got to

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sell the Ukraine thing, They got to sell US hundreds
of billion dollars of stuff going to going to Ukraine.
They got to get the American people behind that whole enterprise.
So they send Sean Penn over there, they send Ben
Stiller over there. They send so just again we've said
this one hundred times on our show, but they send
the actor Ben Stiller to go to Ukraine to meet
with the actor named Zelenski, who's his last job before

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he was President of Ukraine was to play the President
of Ukraine on a comedic show on Ukrainian television. That
was the That was the last job that he had
before he was the president. Okay, so actor Ben Stiller
goes to shake hands and yuck it up with actor Zelenski,
and while the cameras Sean Ben brought him on oscar

(14:32):
and handed it to him like people like all the
signals that you need to discern reality right there. But
and then they oh, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'll just say, you know, a funny way to look
at that is, you know, Team America is a brilliant movie,
you know, with the puppets, and everybody kind of thinks
like the you know, the exoteric funny part about Team
America is Kim Jong un or whatever that little thing.
But like the esoteric thing in that movie is that
they're sending actors around as essentially.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
As they're they're doing diplomacy. They're they're they're part of
our foreign policy apparatus. And you want some more a
proof of that. Guys like George Clooney, I say him
because he's.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
List of the Council.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
He's a member of the member of the Word of
the Council of Formulations. So like, these people are part
of our foreign policy apparatus. Now you've got the Central
intelligence agencies long standing relationship with Hollywood. You know, Zero
Dark thirty comes out, so that the American so the
average American or everybody in the Western world has a

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version of the truth about the capture of Bin Laden.
So this is how like we experience events, these events
that happened in the world that we weren't personally there for,
we experience them through these dramatic portrayals. This is how
we know how World War two was. It's how we
know how they got bin Laden. How you know what
I mean. They make these things because otherwise people are

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gonna are are free to construct their own version of
that reality, and they might even construct the true the
true version of that reality, which that's that's that's not good.
They need to they need to have control over how
we see these events because we're not signing up for
the next one unless we believe the last one was
a good idea.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Who's day? Though you keep saying they they believe.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
They they is they is I would describe as so, okay,
this is I apologize a fair question. I apologize in
advance for how this is about to go.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
This is real quick before you start. This is why
I wanted to have you guys on here because I
love that you guys have an alternative perspective on stuff,
and I don't necessarily agree with everything you say, but
I also think that it's good to hear you know,
all of it. So that's why I wanted to That's
why I wanted to have this conversation.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Let me say one more thing for Aaron cracks Off safe.
This is the this is the exact conversation we all
would have had in the gun truck though.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, like for sure, like when.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
We're smoking cigarettes were round up for the night, you know,
or we're about to go to sleep, or like in
the truck, we'd be like, bro, do you fucking believe?
And then somebody like nah, and you'd be like, oh yeah,
but one time, and we would spend hours before we
talking just like this man, all right, fireworks, all right.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
So I'll start with the like the most insulting thing first, right,
the democracy that we believe is our system of government
is synthetic. It is the public facing proxies for a
corporation or a basically what's that guy called the a national.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Global financial owners of global capital.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
A national owners of global capital. So look, this thing
is this idea that that US citizens have meaningful access
to the levers of power is ridiculous on its face.
All you have to do is understand, like what lobbying is.
This is not things that are concealed. This isn't clandestine,
it's overt. It's right in front of your face. Bernie
Bernie Sanders looks like he's going to get the Democratic nomination.

(17:44):
Well he's a democratic, socialist populist. Fuck that can't have him.
Here comes a Democratic party to pull a job on
Bernie twice in a row, you know what I mean.
Like they're showing you they don't even conceal it, Like
there is not at the level of national politics, like yeah,
you can go vote your you know, mayor in or
whatever or the county commissioner. But at the level of
national politics. You do not have access to the levers

(18:07):
of power. You probably shouldn't have access to the levers
of power, to be honest with you. Democracy is kind
of a bad idea, but that's that's for another time.
But like, the actual reality is, there is a control
system in place that is global financial, global capital folks,
that they don't leave this stuff up to chance. Okay,
so these wars, these the the maintenance of the US

(18:31):
dollar as the world reserve currency. The maintenance of the
petro dollar requires like the use of the US military
as its enforcement arm, and they can't leave that shut
up to chance. They're not going to allow us to
just vote wars on and off. Okay, They're not gonna
have a democratic process in place for how we use
our military. That's just not how it works. So but
they keep the facade going. So that's who the day is.

(18:54):
The day is capital, it's money, it's a corporation. Now,
I'm not a communist, I'm not anti capitalist or anything.
I'm just describing reality as I understand.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, from a journalistic standpoint, it's from the movie Network
where that guy's in the boardroom is screaming at the
reporter that's like, I'm mad as hell. I'm not gonna
take it anymore. He's like, hey, buddy, you have upset
the powers that be, and the powers that be are
the movers of global currency.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And you know, this is a common thing right now
because like we're seeing, we now have billionaires overtly have
kind of subsume control of our government. So people are
talking about it, like, you know, the commie lefty types
are like, there shouldn't even be billionaires. What do you
need all that money for? At a certain point, and
they're right, like they're not right about that, but I
mean at a certain point, you know, I don't know.
Once you get north of a couple hundred million dollars,

(19:42):
what's the money for? Well, the money is then it's
it's not about buying stuff with the money. It's about
manipulating and controlling the entire environment with the money. The
whole situation is controlled by money, and once you amass
enough of it, you can you can wield, you know,
on precedented power.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
And people I think are mistaken just to add like
another nail in there, but thinking that, like once again
that the thinking that they're forward facing politicians or are
their interface with the actual government. Thinking that people like
Bezos and Elon are the richest people in the world
is also incorrect in my assessment. The people you know,

(20:25):
your your low key trillionaires. You could probably start to
find them, but you have to start to look into
the gray areas, you know, you have to start to
look at people in the areas that don't see the
news every day, because if you were above the billionaire class,
of what use is it to you for the pleabs
to know who you are? You know, I would start
looking at places like any family that's ever had a
pope in their lineage, that's still a family.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
And and you know, this is where we get into
look so, I I think everything that we just said,
I think is provable and demonstratable by like what's publicly available,
Like if you you can research all that and verify
that those things that we were saying are mostly true. Now,
where we get into the weeds a little bit is
speculating about who. You know, there's these like these lineage

(21:10):
international banking families that apparently allegedly held power, you know
ever since like the time are Rome. There's a lot
of really you know, people write books about this. It's
like a deeply researched subject. I just have never encountered
anything where I'm like, that's exactly who it is. It's
the Medici family that's controlled, you know. But but I
do believe that there's a lineage, that there's this power lineage.

(21:32):
Like these guys they shape shift. They they they maintain
their power by adapting with to keep pace with technology,
to keep their adaptive. They shape shift, you know, as.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
As as for example, I was a tech billionaire who
previously was ultra liberal, but I'm but now I'm funding
the ultra right. That's what he means by shape shift.
We're not talking about lizards here. We're talking about people
just simply shedding their last persona to become a new one.
For example, if I was the Nazi who was in
charge of building the V two rocket, which reigned horror

(22:06):
over Europe, and that's not a good shape right for
me to move on and I just become Warner von
braunad of NASA, I just I just start working and
making Disney cartoons, and then you know, I've shaped shifted.
I'm no longer a Nazi war criminal convicted of mass murder.
Now I'm the head of NASA's rocket program.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's which which shift which When when you know about
how World War One and World War Two was financed,
that that starts to seem reasonable because you're like, yeah, look,
these are these people at the at the at our level,
it's nation state against nation state. At their level, they're
financing both sides of a conflict and profiting off it.

(22:46):
This is the Rothschild's banking family. They started this racket
when they had advanced knowledge of the outcome of the
Battle of Waterloo. And they told, they told who, they
tell they they red pulled water and like they pulled England. Yeah,
they pulled England over water and it made their fortune instantly,

(23:06):
and then it was they were off to the races.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, everybody thought that the English Empire was about to collapse,
so they sold all their stock immediately.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
But I mean, like the like the Rothschild's, ostensibly Jewish people,
via their Warburg Banking Concern, financed the German the Germans
in World War One. World War One would not have
been possible without financing from the roths Child Banking Concerned
via the Warburg.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Henry Ford, a great supporter.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Of the the Busch family, Bush family Prescott Bush was
in trouble for using his bank as a Nazi slush fund,
which that sounds crazy. But we're not saying it's not.
These aren't This is true.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I'm not saying that these people are Nazis. I'm saying
they don't give a fuck about the pageant. I'm sorry,
they don't care about the pageantry.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Theget is for us.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I know YouTube is like firing at that.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Like, dude, if YouTube hasn't de demonetized us for everything
up to this point, I think we're going Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, you made it two hundred, You're good. Sorry dude, No,
but you're right, like, uh, you know, the those things
are We're not saying that, you know, these things aren't real.
Like it's very real to have you know, the German
you know, the the access versus Allies really happened. That
was really real. But there's a level of there's a
there's a strata of uh, there's a class or control

(24:24):
strata or whatever for which that is. They're above it.
They're they're not subject to that.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's it's like Plebeian.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Same same thing with morality, Like these people we have
like a Plebeian kind of Christian based morality that these
people don't. They're not constrained by that. That's why. That's
like the other thing you got. The people got to
get through their head. We apply our even it doesn't
matter if you're a Christian or what kind of person
you are. We all kind of behave you know less lately,
you know, because we're becoming completely degenerate. But like generally

(24:52):
we have this morality like you don't murder, you don't steal,
you don't are people, you know, you don't do all
the shit. That's that's a that's our cont These people
don't operate under that cause it's like obviously, like the
Epstein stuff, like these people are disgusting, like the reason
it's a matternational security and old Pam BONDI can't give up.
I can't like give up, give out the binders or
whatever is it security, Pam. Yeah, because the people that

(25:15):
are in charge of our country are disgusting, degenerate criminals.
They're horrible.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I wonder with the Pam Bondi stuff, I'm wondering what
is there left to uncover? I mean, I don't know,
I don't, I don't I'll be honest, I haven't really
looked that much into it, but it seems like even
before Trump came into office, there was a bunch of
stuff that had been released, Like there's a lot of
names that have been released. I think some of the
specifics that haven't been released are some of the girls' names,

(25:41):
which I understand that I suppose, but.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think if I think if there's something in first
of all, let's just admit it's okay, So let's let's
get this straight. We like, let's go from our perspective
that we think that members of our government and possibly
other foreign government or governs, we're using the Epstein thing
as a way to do sexual blackmail to exercise control

(26:06):
over people. Okay, that's what we think, right, So wait,
these people were willing to do that, yet they left
a bunch of paperwork evidence that exist. Like like like, okay,
the FBI is now going to play by the rules
and be like, well the thing says don't destroy we Like,
what are we talking about here? They they got into
the prison that Jeffrey Epstein was in and killed him,

(26:28):
but they're gonna leave. There's no incriminating evidence, there's.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
No guards, cameras, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
What do we like we're we're getting strung along here
like like like foolish little children, Like why would they
leave that part of the job undone, Like they're gonna
do all this horrible like the like stuff that people
consider the worst ship you can do like you know,
a like trade children away to disgusting powerful people so

(26:57):
you can play like this is like right, So like
they're gonna do all that, but they're gonna leave like
a paper trail that we can look at and binders.
They're gonna have these like dumb right wing influencers come
skipping out of the White House with a fucking Binders.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know, I had, I had You may know. I'm
talking about a guy named Andrew Bustamante On who's a
and I asked him. I was like, you know, we
talk about how all these other countries do all these
horrible things and stuff like that, but we're also doing
like some of these things as well. And you know,

(27:32):
I was like, what do you think about how do
you square that morally? And he was like, hey, you know,
you have to be willing to do what your enemy
will do to get things done. And I was like,
that's kind of fucked up, you know, Like I mean,
I get to a point some stuff, you know, but
how deep does that go? So it kind of feeds
into what you've been saying, right that.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
There's what makes us different.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I definitely. So we've talked about
a lot, or you guys have gone through a lot
so far. Let me let me go through a couple things.
I was thinking, Well, you guys were talking one like
the New York Times, CNN. Well, not seeing in New
York Times, I will say that some of their journalists
are good. Some of their non political reporting is good.
Like they spend money on good investigative journalism on things

(28:20):
I don't. I don't read them if it has anything
to do with politics, just like I wouldn't listen to
Fox News if it had anything to do with politics
because the bias is obvious. Right, So that's one thing.
The second thing I was thinking, Yeah, there are influences
out there for all kinds of things to get people

(28:40):
to do stuff, you know, to to make world events happen,
to make world events not happen. At what level is that?
What level is that control real? You know? And to me,
like I really think back to the like CNN and
Fox and New York Times and all that, they have

(29:01):
really lost the they've really lost their grip on any
kind of like power of holding the information because of
like podcast, the Internet really just kind of trashed them.
You know what I'm saying, because especially after COVID and everything,
like you guys mentioned before how there were some stuff,
there's some stuff in there that happened that was just
so absolutely asinine that anybody with common sense looks at

(29:22):
it and they're like, what are you talking about? That
makes zero sense? You know, like, oh, we have to
we have to get every kid, you know vaccinated. Why
there was like less than five hundred kids that died,
and everyone that died had other issues like they were
like terminal cancer or they were you know, they was like.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
The why is because they want to kill your kids.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
But okay, go ahead, right, I get the money behind it,
I get you know. So lately what has been bothering
me is the whole Ukraine thing obviously, which a lot
of people have an opinion about. And you know, when
when Russia initially invaded Ukraine, I was like, fuck Russia,
fuck Putin. You know, I even sold T shirts on

(30:06):
my website that said fuck Putin. You know what I'm saying,
like literally within a day, let's walk through.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Let's walk through it slower, like like just because so
you said fuck Putin for just because of the invasion,
like that act alone, or did you or you already
predisposed to see Putin a certain way.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm well, I mean I already have obviously a negative
viewpoint on Putin, but I think that act.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And you say, you say obviously, so it's not so
it's not obvious to me. So why Like I'm just
trying to pull apart like you you start. I agree
that you know, invading Ukraine is an aggressive act, and
if I was a Ukrainian man, I would There's no
way I wouldn't be in a trench killing Russians, like,
no doubt about that. Ukraine had absolutely no no choice

(30:57):
but to do what to wage war, to ask for
our health, to ask for NATO's help, no beef against
Ukraine at all. I'm wondering, like, what got you predisposed
to feel a certain way about Putin?

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, to me, it's just been kind of like an
ongoing thing. I remember the first time I even really
thought about post Soviet Russia or whatever.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
While I was in the Marines, I went to Iraq
in two thousand and nine, and when I deployed. At
the time, I was a mechanic and we had some
reserve mechanics that were attached to us for that deployment.
And I remember talking to one of the guys and
one of the dudes was on his you know how
reservists have a weird For those that don't know, reserves
have a weird kind of like enlistment, like those guys

(31:39):
do one weekend in a month, two weeks of the year,
that kind of deal. But they can also go on
all these like weird ia like individual augment like deployments,
and this guy had gone.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
They can basically be active duty all they.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Want, Yeah, but they but they go to weird places
that active duty guys never go. Like this dude was
in Georgia, the country of Georgia, helping them with their
military equipment, like working on their military equipment when Russia
invaded Georgia, and that was in two thousand and eight,
and I remember him telling me about He was like, yeah,
I remember being there, and then like jets, these Russian

(32:11):
jets are flying over and shit, I was like, damn,
that's crazy, you know. So I guess it's between that Crimea,
you know, and then obviously Ukraine. It's kind of like,
what are these guys doing. I will say the US
doesn't have a big place in the world to talk
anything because we have started obviously multiple wars, but we
are not trying to take over Iraq. We're not trying

(32:32):
to take it over, and that be you know, that's
not our country. Afghanistan. We didn't try to take it over,
and that's now our country. We may have tried to
like get some resources as payment for being in those areas,
but we weren't trying to like you know what kind
of what Trump's fucking doing right now talking about Canada

(32:53):
in the fifty first state kind of deal.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, we're a little more soft gloved in that respect.
I mean, I would say that we didn't take them
where we didn't try to take or we didn't take
them over and be slightly inaccurate. We're just not as overt. Yeah,
we certainly handpicked everybody in any piece of leadership in Iraq.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Plus like take like taking the taking the United States
out of the out of it for just a minute,
even though you can't. You can't really separate the United
States from what happened in the Ukraine because of what
our State Department did to kind of provoke and precipitate
all that stuff. Like you can watch videos of Lindsey
Graham and a couple of other dickheads in twenty fourteen,
after the whole thing, the thing that happened in twenty fourteen,

(33:33):
they were standing there promising the military leadership of Ukraine
that that that the United States and Ukraine would be
in an armed conflict with Russia by they Trump fucked
the whole thing up. They were supposed to be by
twenty sixteen. Like you can watch Linda Graham tell this
to these people. But that's like just.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
A couple of things.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, just on Putin real quick like and again I'm
not like an apologist for Prutin. It's not like I
am pro Russian. I'm just trying to It's like so
much of this propaganda goes one way from our media,
both you know, both left and right side of our media,
and basically it's all kind of of one mind. But
like a couple of interesting things, like you know, like

(34:13):
Putin's parliament demand the invasion of Ukraine, the one that
just happened, not the encourasion in twenty fourteen, was a
result of a parliamentary decision that Putin was against. Putin
had been putting these people off for a while because
since twenty fourteen, it's like, how many people, I think
fourteen thousand Russian separatists have been killed in the Donbass

(34:35):
region prior to the most recent conflicts. So Putin's dealing
with fourteen thousand of Russian, his Russian citizens being killed
in artillery strikes and rocket attacks in this part of
the Ukraine. It was previously. You know that the people
that live there consider themselves ethnically Russian. Many of them
immigrated to that area from Russia. Like, these people that
live in that area consider themselves Russian, and they're having

(34:56):
a beef with Ukraine and specifically these azahav like neo Nazi,
these guys that they worshiped, this guy Benderis, which is
like an SS World War two SS guy like these
guys are do we hand wave away this like Ukrainian
Nazi thing. Now, one thing is true, most of those
guys are now dead. Okay, So these original Azov Battalion
guys that are like Nazi like tattoos. Not so the

(35:19):
people in the towns that support them were waving SS
banners and ship It's not like there's it's not like
there's like six of them were into Nazi shit. No,
this is like what it was.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It was an entire it was an entire battalion, and
it is something that was like basic in our media
has briefly been touched on and kind of like, no,
no big deal, You're right.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
On all that, and it's it's totally inconvenient because Putin
is Hitler in our in our little like Marvel cinematic
universe of geopolitics. No, Putin is Hitler. Where you have
to see Putin is.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Where did this fourteen thousand people getting killed in don
Bass before? Where did that number come from? So there
was o're you're saying, you're saying prior to the invasion
of Russia Ukraine that Ukraine was shooting artillery and rockets
into the down.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Bass area than thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Okay, I actually have never heard that.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, it's it's that is the case. So Russians. So
Putin's responding to pressure from his own parliament to take
care of this and then he's also like we're we're
busy encroaching, like we're doing this encirclement, you know, adding
countries to NATO. Like the purpose of NATO, you know,
was for the Cold War. So as soon as the
Soviet Union dissolved, NATO ostensibly could have dissolved. But then

(36:34):
we had the Minska Cord saying all right, hey, look
look we're gonna do you know, We're gonna do this
nuclear disarmament. We're gonna we're gonna have Ukraine give up
their nukes. We're gonna promise no no official like paperwork
sign but like handshake deals saying we're not one more
inch closer to Russia with our bullets. That's right, And
and these things were violated, you know, so it's again,

(36:54):
do I think any of that excuses Putin for invading?

Speaker 1 (36:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Do I think Putin's a good guy? And no, do
I you have a fuck about Putin? No, I'm just
pushing back against this deluge of propaganda that is not
one hundred percent accurate.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, No, I understand that. I understand that, and I
will say that my kind of I'm I'm the same way.
I don't. I'm more I don't really care about either
country at this point. You know what I'm saying, Like
I was all for the support, I'm all for you know, hey,
they want to go and fight and stuff. But there's
a lot of people out there that it's like, you know,
we have to keep we have to keep supplying on,

(37:28):
we have to keep pushing this, we have to keep
it going. And it's like, dude, hundreds of people are
dying every day. Thousands of people are dying every week
for and for what. You know what I'm saying. And
the only way Ukraine and people that it kills me
because you ask people, You're like, what would you what
would the in state you'd want to see? And they're like,
well Ukraine gets all their land back, and it's like, okay,

(37:49):
well that's not gonna happen. The reality is the only
way that could ever happen is if NATO and other
European countries send in ground troops because Ukraine does not
have enough peace. It's a manpower issue. Doesn't matter how
much Ammo technology all that stuff we send them, they
don't have enough people to fight. It's that's just how
it is. And I don't think that we should be

(38:12):
getting involved in that. Again, I was totally fine with
US supplying them with arms and stuff like that, helping
them defend themselves. But I am not gonna be on
board with something that leads us into US ground troops,
you know, fucking in the trenches fighting these guys. I
just don't well. And the people and the people that
are advocating for that are the people that would never
sign up to go do that. And that's why every

(38:34):
time I'm online and I'm like debating somebody online or
something like that, which I should not do, I always
send them the link to the Ukraine Foreign Legion sign
up page, Like, if you or if you're that dedicated, bro,
here's the fucking thing, go sign up. Because they don't
need more S sixteen's, they need more bodies on the ground,
you know. Sixteens are nice.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
But so I just saw an after action report written
by some British officers that have been at the company
level fighting in Ukraine, and it was on the green line,
so it is what it is. I think it was
like labeled UK Sensors ship who gets a fuck? So
basically they were given an after action and they were
just they were saying, this is like what we wish

(39:12):
we would have known like three years ago, you know.
And one of the things that they were saying was
that they were ill prepared to fight the way the
Russians were fighting. Now, they weren't. They weren't expecting that.
So essentially the Russian Russian doctrine, to be extraordinarily simple
is they only do maneuver to bring up fires. So
we're only pushing our maneuver elements forward in ground assaults

(39:35):
so we can buy more terrain to bring the big
guns forward. And so essentially what they do is they
just encircle pockets of Ukrainians and just dump artillery shells
on them. We're talking about like millions and millions of
rounds of artillery shells. And in this ar you know,
there's pictures of like the redoubts and the dugouts that

(39:56):
that the Ukrainians have built in defense, and these these
commanders like, look, be prepared to live underground, be prepared
to dig, be prepared to like dig in and keep
digging and stay digging. Like they were saying shit, like uh, hey,
stop practicing firing your rifle, because almost none of these
casuals happen from like like like close combat with rifles. Right,

(40:17):
there's it's drones and artillery, and after that is like mines,
you know. And like so I'm reading through this, you know,
and and I just know how our military operates. I
know how the brass operates in particular, and I know
what they're they are resistant to change to, like to
their own detriment, and so I'm kind of like thinking

(40:37):
in my head, like how are they even getting Basically,
I'm just trying to reinforce your point, like we have
no business in a ground war in Asia, in either theater,
whether that's Eurasia or actual Asia, because I think they
were hiding the numbers until just recently. I did a
little open social a bit ago, and it was like, oh,
the Ukraine's lost like forty thousand, and the Rush have

(41:00):
lost like eighty.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's like seven hundred thousands.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Like it's like seven eight hundred thousand on the Russian
side and a million on the Ukraine. Is the only
source numbers.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Now, let's just think about that for a second. So
you know, they gotta be higher. They're both lying.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
They got to be higher.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Bro, we lost like seven thousand in the guy and
we get sad about.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
It do we get big sad?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Fucking smoke themselves over it. It was like fifty five
thousand in Vietnam. Vietnam. All right, dude, here's another just
on the topic. Right, let me ask you how you
feel about this? Okay. So the justification for so right
from the word jump just because we're contrarian assholes, like
we were against we were like, you know, against US

(41:43):
involvement and support for the Ukraine thing. Okay, And we
were listening to guys like peroninal Gregor early and then
in short order we kind of stopped caring about it.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
But like two points on that, I knew that Ukraine
was the most corrupt country in Europe. So I knew
that off the top.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You know, to say you're not allowed to say that,
per yeah, per the State Department.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah. I was like, so I just came from one
of the most corrupt countries, you know, so, you know, Afghanistan.
And then the second thing, I was like, well, let
me get this straight. Like this country Russia that I
grew up to fear. I'm a red Dawn kid, dude.
I thought I was going to fight the Russians life. Yeah,
we spent trillions of dollars against this threat called Russia.
They didn't sell all that shit.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
They still got well, they never slowed their production of those.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
So somebody was gonna tell me that to go back
to Justin's point, like a country of like thirty three
million was going to defeat a country of one hundred
and like thirty eight million, and that was the country
that we feared for twenty straight years, and like, both
things can't be true.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
In the early stages of this thing, Putin's stated goal
was to come in push pass to the Dawn Bass,
and I think the port at Sevastopool was secure the
support because that's where they're They're like, yeah, special Water
Navy is right. Yeah, so it was an incursion in
the beginning. Now, maybe he's lying or whatever, but there
was a chance early on, but they used Boris Johnson

(42:57):
to talk. Zelenski was sitting, was gonna negotiate. It was
gonna be an limited cursion by Russia. Russia gets up
to the Dawn Bass and stops there, and it's like
that's it right now. Of course, the western neoliberal world
orders like no, this is tantamount to him starting to
take over all of Europe. Freedom democracy, like you know,
it just starts with the buzzwords and everything. But a

(43:19):
couple of them like forgot that they're on a microphone
or something, and we're honest about it. But at various times,
Lindsay Graham has said this, Adam Schiff has said this,
that Kinsinger fucking weirdo has said this. But what we're told,
you know, as an American consumer of the media, is
the very concepts of freedom and democracy at stake. How

(43:40):
can we be the United States if we don't support
the freedom loving people of Ukraine. It's our you know,
all this shit, right, But when you ask these discussing politicians,
they say shit like Lindsey Graham say shit like, hey,
we're grinding the Russian military down cheaply for us, like
this is a good investment, like this is about a
tridding our endem me Russia. So and then you know,

(44:02):
various other politicians said the same thing. So how do
you feel about that? Like is that a reasonable? Is
that a reasonable thing to do to use the fighting
men of the country of Ukraine to throw them against
the Russian military, have them turned into sausage so that
in an effort to a trip our enemy. Is that moral?
Is that justifiable? Is that? Is that what Americans should

(44:23):
be support?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I think it's gross, man. I think talk like that
is like, just again, these are these are human beings,
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's my whole
especially the last six months, that's kind of been my
whole mindset about the about the thing is like, I
just I'm just tired of watching people get killed. Man,
I'm tired of see an HD video of fucking some
dude running from a drone and they getting smacked in

(44:46):
the back of the head. Yeah, you know, I'm tired
of It's just it's disgusting, it's sad for humanity, and
I just don't want us to be part of that,
you know. And again I at the begin of the
whole thing, I was like, hey, man, they're a sovereign
country and they should be able to defend themselves and
we should support that if you know, if we want

(45:07):
to then support it. I can agree with that because
if someone invaded us, we would, like you guys mentioned earlier,
of course we would go out and fight those people.
Of Course, we're not going to just allow that to happen.
But after three years and there's nothing, there's not a
lot happen. And well, people will say too, people will
push back and say, well, you know, Putin was never

(45:27):
able to succeed in the goals that he wanted. Look
how look how slow his progress has been. Their forward
movement has been because of the fight that they've given them,
you know, and because of the material that we've provided
and stuff like that. And that's cool and all, but
after three years, we need to be like, listen, we
got to stop something. You know what I'm saying. I

(45:49):
don't know. It just feels weird that I care more
about these like young men that are getting murdered over
there than the leaders of their own countries, do you
know what I'm saying? It's just and.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Ultimately, like if our goal is to weaken in a
trip Putin and Russia, look at Putin's standing currently. So
he's shown the world that he can maintain this, you know,
full scale modern war against an enemy that's or you know,
against the countries that's supported by the United States and
NATO and all the Western countries. So effectively we're fighting

(46:20):
Russia via these proxies because because you know, what Poland has,
like actual troops and there they just wear Ukrainian uniforms.
Like there's a lot of NATO guys running around getting
killed over there. So so you know, we've got America
has these European proxies fighting Russia. The world's watching, they
watch putin his his own standing in his country has increased,
Like his favorability rating has gone up. He's enjoying the

(46:43):
popular support of his country, probably not universally, but like
his standing has improved, and his relations with our enemies
have solidified and strengthened. He's now creating an alternative to
our financial genomy, hegemony, whatever that fucking word is like
and then and then that yeah, with bricks, dude. That's
why our our government, our leadership's panicked about this ship.

(47:06):
It's because the things that we do in the financi
global financial world that maintains our quality of life in
this country. Our quality of life is what keeps the
people from ripping those guys out of their offices and
murdering them. Right, because no matter what, even a poor
person in our country has it pretty good. You got
an iPhone, you know what I mean? Like everything's We're
a very rich country. Still, even though eggs cost more

(47:27):
and we're complaining a lot, we are just we are
opulently wealthy. Still, So what what maintains all that? Well,
it's not our manufacturing base anymore. It's not American ingenuity
and stick tooveness and grit, none of that shit. It's financial.
It's a financialized instruments of finance that we control all
these markets with over the world. Now you've got bricks forming,

(47:50):
you've got people making alliances saying, well, we're not going
to trade in the dollar anymore. Fuck the dollar. Okay, yeah,
we hold a bunch of debt and the dollar I
don't care. We'll we'll take it in the shorts on that,
but we'll start trading in this other currency. What now.
The other thing we're worried about is we don't want
to compete with Russia. We don't want to compete in
the energy the European energy market with Russia. Well, too bad,

(48:10):
now we are, like, that's why we blew up the
nord Stream pipeline. Shit, we're crazy, dude. I think we're
I think a lot of them are kind of like
strange behavior globally. Is is indicates that we're like in
a panic, Like these guys are doing a good job
of kind of making it seem like they're they're keeping
it together. And now we have a new they did
a changeover to the new regime. Now Trump's in there

(48:31):
with all this shit, and Okay, no, I think these
guys are in a tailspan. I think that I think
the fucking ship's about to fall off the mountain.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
So probably the bad part of all that, if you're
waiting for the bad part is that it's my assessment,
and I hope I'm wrong that. You know, we're not
going to be in the business of power projection for
very much longer. You know, it's very unrealistic to think
that we could ever power project to Taiwan too, to

(48:57):
fight China over Taiwan. You know, it's just like this
sea line of line. The sea locks are too long,
the g locks are too long.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It's like, dude, and I work in the really good
So I work now in the industrial base. So I'm
a consultant, supply chain consultant, risk management consultant to the
industrial base that creates the Virginia and Columbia class nuclear
submarines and the aircraft carries and stuff. So basically I'm
working with the manufacturing and suppliers that feed into these

(49:24):
shipyards that build which are the most they are, Like
I learned I've learned a little bit recently about our
nuclear submarines. They're like they're the most technologically advanced piece
of military hardware that anyone's ever made, and nobody's even close. Like,
you know, other Russia and China have subs that, but
they don't have ship like ours. Ours are these bespoke,
like they're like a work of art. They're like truly amazing,
but they're very hard to make, and they're and they

(49:46):
and they have a very complicated supply chain that is fragile,
and like the things have to be made to such
sort of a submarine that's going to live underwater. There's
the tolerances and stuff. The way these things have to
be made is real. It's really difficult to do. Dude.
We don't have that many of those things. If those
things start to getting taken out, or aircraft carriers or
airplanes or anything else, like our manufacturing base is not

(50:08):
in good shape. It's true. Like it's hard to know
with all the political because the Democrats are you know,
alleged that the Republicans fucked it up, and the Republicans
say that Democrats did it, and all these different people
from different states are blaming who and whatever. But the
bottom line is, like, dude, world War two required like
Rosie the Riveter type shit, like when like your mom
had to go in there and make P fifty one
Mustangs with their biceps. Right, that shit is not happening now,

(50:31):
Like we get into a global conflict where our military
hardware gets a tredded. Who's making this shit? So I
think in.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Order to keep the ball rolling though, because you know so,
we're gonna make a so the American hedgemoont appears to
be shrinking. But in order to keep that grind going
for the military industrial complex, it's like, oh, well, look
we have this problem at the border. We have these
we have these cartels who are now terrorists by the way,
So now we have well, I mean we can just
run GAT two point zero. You know it can be

(51:00):
like we can do it right here in our very
own backyard.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Dude, I don't know, I kind of support that. I
kind of support the US about to.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Say, and that's it's hard. It's hard to not support.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I'm in San Diego. I'm right by the border, so I'm.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Like, yeah, dude, dude, I'm a I'm I'm of two
minds about that stuff. So it's like just like to
call out my own like biases or whatever, like my
stuff with immigration. Having lived in California most of my
life till I got ended up, but being born and
raised in California and spending a lot of time, like, uh,
I like that Mexican people are in our country, Like,

(51:31):
like I see immigration mostly as a positive, even even
if it's too much, even if it's illegal or whatever.
Like I can just like see how the economy and
like my like how the economy was affected by that
all that whatever it is, the labor the people, like
not just labor, like the like the way the way
those people impact the environment. I think in a positive way.

(51:52):
But I have a pro like Mexican person bias or something.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
We work in the infantry.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, it's probably all yeah we Mexicans fifty one but
like but but that's that's one aspect of it. And
then the other aspect of it is is like I
I think that we're respond like dude, I'm about like
the drug thing, the fact that our you know, there's
fentanyl epidemic or whatever. It's like, dude, we're creating the demand,

(52:21):
Like our absolute failings morally as a country is creating
the demand. Like like like they're only feeding our weakness. Like, dude,
a healthy society that had their their more morals intact
wouldn't be susceptible to fucking cartel fentanyl like you. It's

(52:42):
just I don't accept, like I don't accept that those
people have no agency, Like no, like we're dude, what
is it our economy. It's not even our economic conditions,
like it's our It's worse than that, it's a it's
our failure as like people like our society is so
weak that like we have a significant chunk of people
that are so like untethered from any kind of moral

(53:06):
foundation that they'll go like take a drug that turns
them into a zombie and ultimately kills them. And they
just do it all the time, Like there's they're everywhere.
They're like wandering the streets, bent in half, fucking pissing
down their leg It's insane, Like that's not the cartel's fault.
Now that being said, if we have an opportunity to
go down there and like, if we can solve the
problem by killing people that are killing our people, I'm

(53:27):
guess I'm for it. I just although, dude, and sometimes
when I think about it, I'm like, how sick would
it be to be back in a team and be
like doing a raid on like a drug kingpin like
just came the movies, Like that'd be crazy?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I think, I don't know. So for me, I'm definitely
pro immigration. I'm just not pro illegal immigration. I think
we we deserve to know who's coming into the country,
and what we saw the last four years was out
of control, was completely insane. Well, especially when you when
you hear about like these small communities across the US
that suddenly have ten thousand Haitians or ten thousand freaking

(54:04):
what named the country that they just drop into this
small community and be like, well, there you go, you know,
and we're supposed to be totally fine with that. And
then they'll come on the news and be like, well,
you know, that town was dying and they brought in
these people and now there's workers there, and it's like,
you drop ten thousand Haitians into Ohio into one town,
are all ten thousand of them working in one factor

(54:26):
like that's bullshit. Maybe one hundred of them are like
what about the other.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
There's a guy with a cart selling barbecued squirrels. We
have a fucking problem, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Like, yeah, when my brother lives in upstate New York,
there's there's like roving four to five man bands of
indiscriminating immigrants, and I'm like, bro, that doesn't alarm you.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It's crazy, man. It's the amount of money we're spending
on that and basically allowing it to happen. And then,
you know, the same people that will say, hey, you know,
our workers need to get paid more are the same
people that are like okay with this unfed illegal immigration.
And I'm like, don't you realize how how much that's
lowering wages for Americans because you have this artificial source

(55:07):
of cheap labor that will the next guy will always
work for a little bit less than the previous guy.
You know, even even illegal immigrants are like, stop the
other illegal immigrants because this guy's coming in and he's
gonna work for less than me. Now I'm gonna lose
my job. Well, you know kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And they'll say it's a, Oh, they're doing the jobs
they're doing the Americans won't do, And it's like that's
not true. Like this is we talked about propaganda earlier.
It's just we're susceptible to like the wrong propaganda. Like
you could propagandaize people entering into the industrial base or
doing these trades jobs, you know, American people that already
live here, right, But we have propaganda the other way.

(55:42):
We tell everybody those are loser jobs, that's dead end jobs.
You need to go to college, you need to assume
all this debt or whatever. I just think that we
we could be. There wasn't this way when we grew up,
Like you know what I mean, Like there were people
doing these jobs from this country.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
I think we didn't have to Americans won't.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Well it's not only it's it's like racist in a
couple of ways. It's like you know, I was again,
I was debating somebody on like Reddit the other day
or something like that, and the guy was saying, like
Americans aren't going to like ruin their bodies for these jobs.
And I was like, so we're going to bring in
other people or their bodies worth less than ours? Like
what the fuck does that you know, you what are

(56:19):
you talking about? You're bringing in another class of people
because you think they're there. It's okay to destroy their lives,
you know, doing some of these.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Jobs like work strengthens your body, for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
My you know my son, My son is likely going
he's already. It sounds like he's got an apprenticeship basically
lined up right out of high school to go into plumbing.
And I'm like that's a good job, man. Yeah, I'm
like that's a good job. Like people will look at
that and be like, oh, clogged toilets and stuff, and
I'm like, well, that's probably a small percentage of the job,
but you get paid.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
If your son's a go getter, there's a there's pretty
good odds that he could be in his mid to
late twenties owning his own business, like multiple six figure job.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh for sure. Yeah he knows that. And that's one
of my buddies. Guy that's been on the show a
few times, Michael Ferrell actually a lot of times. He
he's the one that kind of set him up with it,
and he was like, look, dude, like if you work
hard at this, get your apprenticeship done. Here in San Diego.
After three or four years, it's very likely you'll be
making six figures. And he's like, the deal is right now.
For every plumber that retires, they need seven people to

(57:22):
sign up because there's so few people that are doing
these jobs. Like there's so few people that are like
signing up for these kind of gigs. They're open and
there's a ton of money to be made. But like
you said, the propaganda has told people that these are
not there. You know, these are for the others.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I think I would I would expect that to change
because and then the other aspect is like plumbing, any
of these trades jobs that are that are hands on,
masonry anything, these are AI proof, Like you're not going
to build a robot that does the plumbing. It's too
complicated of a task, Like you'd have to have seventeen
robots that do different you know what I mean, Like,
you're not getting a plumber robot anytime.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Soon, at least not. Yeah, not in the next ten
or fifteen years. He's probably stuff for a little while.
I would not put anything behind I use AI every
day now. I'm in digital marketing. For the people that
don't know I do digital marketing and I'm using AI
in some form or fashion basically every day for work,
for research for my own novelty. I mean I always

(58:18):
tell people, I'm like, this is like the early days
of the Internet. You know, this is like the GeoCities
days of the Internet, where people are still figuring out.
You know, we have the Internet, how do we use it?
What do we use it for? Like people are always
asking like, how can I even use it? I don't
know how to use it in my industry, And I'm like,
that's the point. Right now is the time to figure
those things out. We are the forerunners of all this, Like,

(58:41):
get in there, ask it, how to use it, you know,
mess with it, and figure out. Because if you don't,
if you don't get into it, if you just want
to ignore it, in ten years, you're gonna be like
your parents are, where they don't even know how to
use a cell phone, they don't know how to get online,
or they get scammed every time they get online because
they don't understand concepts and stuff. It's I pushed important
for people to do that. Yeah, you're getting out of here, man.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna chuck out.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Man.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
It's great talk with you. Justin I got a hard
date with the wife, So thank you. Everybody's been a while.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I'll just leave this here when because I'm gonna split
after this at some point.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I love talking and yeah, mag yeah, take these fellows.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
That's fun. Concert. Yeah, I agree. I use AI at
work mostly for research, but like its ability to deep
search things and we actually I use it like I
have to produce some products, like you know, slides and
stuff for briefs, and the ease at which you can
kind of just tell it the AI assistant and the

(59:37):
Google slides to just create things where he's pretty pretty handy.
It speeds up my process for sure.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
But yeah, I mean it's it's important for people to,
like I said, kind of get familiar with it and
kind of use it. And there's just so many things
that you can do with it, and I don't think
people understand the depth of what can be done both
on a personal I mean I've gone to where I've literally,
well I've literally what was like what should I make

(01:00:03):
for dinner tonight? And I didn't know what to make?
So I took all the ingredients I had and like
all the food and stuff I had in my fridge
and stuff put it into Ai and was like, give
me three gourmet recipes and it spit it out. I'm like, okay,
it looks like a shrimp scampy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
And that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, and you can do it. You can do it
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
So but all right, what so I don't know. I
don't mean to steer through the conversation. But we're on
tech already. Do you do you want to talk about
the technique that's being formed currently with Trump and Musk
and Teal?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
What do you mean? Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Let me okay, let me start. Let me start by
trying to feel out where you're at real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Let's let's wrap up. Let's make sure we're done. Is
there anything else you wanted to talk about on the
whole Ukraine and Russia thing or we good? No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I I honestly like, I'm I disagree with you. I
don't want to see any more of those guys die
like I I have, I have empathy and and like, dude,
like to call out my bias again, like I kind
of like like I read a lot of Russian literature,
so I'm like kind of fascinated by Russia in general
in the history, and so I'm like sympathetic to these

(01:01:09):
to the Russians, you know, And I'm like, you know,
I don't, I don't, I don't want to. I want
this whole thing to end, so all these Lava guys
stop fucking killing each other. Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Are you sympathetic to the Ukrainians as well? Do you see?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Definitely? Yeah, because obviously like any Ukrainian man, you know,
worth his salt, would be shoulder to shoulder with his bros,
you know, defending his country for sure, no doubt about it.
So you know, and and it's like it's tough to
see those guys getting press ganged, you know, pulled off
the street and thrown into vans and then sent to
the front. To the degree which that's true, it's hard

(01:01:43):
to know, like what whether what I'm consuming is like
Russian propaganda or Ukrainian propaganda. I'm kind of experiencing the
whole thing through like my phone, and so I try
to just not you know, but dude, it's hard to deny.
Like you've seen the drone videos where both sides do this.
By the way, it's not just the Ukrainians, but they
take prisoner That's why you always see these people getting
killed with the drone and they're unarmed and they're kind

(01:02:04):
of spinning around, running around the road or something. It's
because they can't. It's because they take their prisoners it's
a good game. And they tell them to run and
they run them down with the drone and kill him.
Both sides do it. So that's why he keeps seeing
because at first I was like, where are these people's guns?
Every time, like at least like roll your back and
try to shoot the drone or something, you know. But
like then I figured out, oh shit, these guys are prisoners,
you know, and they're it's like a sick game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I've never really thought of that. That is kind of crazy.
If that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, they're getting pretty wild about it. And you know,
it's another interesting thing about the drone. I saw a documentary.
I wish I remember what it's called, but it's on YouTube.
They the documentary crew goes with this Ukrainian drone operator
and he's like a dude. He's like vaping, he's got
like earrings in. He's like a gamer, like like a
pro I don't remember what game, but he's like a
pro gamer. All this happening. So now he's a drone

(01:02:50):
guy and they kind of like drive him to this
place where they you know, they fill the back of
a truck with like he's got like twenty five drones
for the night, and he, you know, they get him
down into this bunker and he just fly mission after
mission after mission, and he's just like finds people to
kill and kills him and he's like vaping joking. It's
like a video It's it's a video game.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
We started. We started this whole thing with like Switchblade.
You remember the switch Blade program. That was like the
first kind of if you correct me if I'm wrong,
But I feel like that's the first kind of like
small drone like squad level jo. You just throw it
out there and smoke somebody with it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, loitering munition. I got several buddies now that work
for Andril as FSRS. So, Andrew, this is Palmer Lucky's company.
You know, these guys are making all the technology. That's dude.
And this is again here I go on my bullshit,
but like this goes into what I wanted to talk about.
Like Trump wins the election, and you know, I am
I don't vote, and like I don't I just I

(01:03:46):
see voting as an act of consent, and like I
was not willing to consent to either of the administrations
that were presented to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Do you vote for your local do you vote locally?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Though, yeah, I'll vote locally, I just don't participate in
the national elections. But yeah, so but uh so Trump wins,
and I'm like, when Trump wins, I'm happy. But I'm
happy for dumb reasons, like I find Trump to be funny.
I think he's like a stand up comedian, Like you know,
you can pull up Trump's IMDb. Trump is an actor,
he's an entertainer, he's a performer, he's a businessman, he's

(01:04:15):
an oligarch. He's a bunch of things. Right, But generally
I enjoyed. So I'm I'm kind of operating all the time,
like I'm being shown present at a show, like a
kind of like a loosely choreographed production. Is what I'm
consuming on my phone and on my screens all the time.
So okay, So now that's this. This season has a
good writing because Trump's and it it's gonna be enjoyable.
I'm gonna I'm gonna laugh more. It's gonna be fine.

(01:04:37):
And then and again he doesn't disappoint like we get
the uh that I don't buy the execution thing, Like
it's just so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
No, you don't think that really happened. I look, man,
I don't think there's more to it than what we saw.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I just I don't. Look. I I maybe it happened. Okay,
I'm not taking a definite stand. I'm just telling you,
like how I experience it, Okay, because again, I like
my baseline is that I don't is that my default
mode is that what I'm being shown on my screen
is part of some sort of it serves a purpose.
It's it's not organic. Okay. Now that's not always true, right,

(01:05:16):
Some things are organic and they just happen, right, But
I start from the position of I'm being shown something
for a reason. So so the Trump thing, look, dude, Like,
if this was enough, if you were watching it on
a show, or it was written into some drama that
you were watching, or if it was something you didn't
have any emotional attachment to, something that happened in another
country and you were just observing it, it would appear

(01:05:37):
completely fucking absurd to you, like the way those just
as someone who's spent a bunch of time around people
that are getting shot at and reacting to contact and
all these things like if you spend if you spend
time really getting into the weeds about what happened that day,
watching how those people responded, understanding what the police were
up to, prior to what the guy that allegedly shot

(01:05:58):
him was up to. Like, there's a lot of unknowns
and a lot of things that are just that don't
make sense and are logical. Now, I immediately kind of
made my decision that I was suspicious of it and
moved on me because I don't I don't care to
go down these rabbit holes deeply about it. Right, But
it's drama. It's like it's all just a bit too perfect.
You know. He gets up and he's like fight. But

(01:06:18):
let's just all grant. Let's just say it was real.
It doesn't matter, Okay, I'm entertained. The point is I'm
entertained whether it was fake or real. I'm not good,
Like this is what I wanted, right, I'm getting the show.
But then in short order, here comes Musk with his
chainsaw and all his shit. Right now, am I am? I? Am?
I in support of finding where there's fraud, waste and

(01:06:38):
abuse in the government, and it's and it's rampant and
dealing with it. Of course, I am right do I
ostensibly kind of like the idea of that, sure, but
I know too much about Musk and Teal to to
be anything but freaked out by what's going on. There's
a political philosophy. So Trump is there, guy, He's it's trum.

(01:06:59):
Trump is the front facing element of this thing that's
happening right now. Do you have ever heard of Curtis Jarvin?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Okay, So if you get a chance and you guys listening,
or if you're interested or whatever, just look up Curtis
Jarvin you can. He's he's a political theorist. Basically, he
operated a blog for a lot of years under the
name Menshus Marbug. But he's he is responsible for the
political philosophy that drives guys like Peter Teele Mark Andresen
and now Trump. Jd. Vance is definitely a Curtis T.

(01:07:30):
Jarvin acolyte. Or if he's not a Curtis Arvin Jarvin aclyte,
he's a Peter Teele acolyte. And Peter Teel gets his
political philosophy from Curtis Jarvin. Now what these people believe
now Trump, I think Trump is just their agent, Okay,
Like I don't think Trump has I don't think Trump
is a principled person. And I'm not saying this to
shit talk him. I just think this is how he is.

(01:07:50):
I don't think he's a principal person beyond he wants
to be the man, he wants people to like him,
he wants to be successful. I just don't think he
has these this political philosophy that these guys are, by
their own words, right out of Andreasen's mouth, right out
of Peter Thiel's mouth, right out of Curves Jarvin's mouth.
These people, they have some basic tenets of their philosophy.
One of them is that there will always be elites. Okay,

(01:08:14):
so we have are you know, until Trump won, So
that what was cast off when Trump won was the
political establishment right right left, Democrat, Republican. We have a degenerate, decadent,
kind of failing political elite. Okay, Trump comes in and
he defeats them and casts them off. So so these

(01:08:37):
guys like Jarvin believe that there will always be elites.
We just need better elites than the ones that we had,
right it's not about like the people democracy, you know,
the will of the people being manifest in the government.
It's not about that. It's about top down from a
better class of elites. This class of elites is building
a technocracy, a technique. These are and you notice, like

(01:08:58):
all of a sudden, all the teche they're like pro
Trump now, like Zucks on board. You know what's the
Amazon guy Bezos, Bezos, Everyone's cool Trump now, right, because
they're aligning themselves with the current establishment of this technique.
So these guys like they like they're very willing, like

(01:09:18):
Curtis Yarvin advocates for an absolute monarchy, like a corporate monarchy,
and he makes the case this way, every corporation that's
successful that you use the products, from Walmart to Sony
to Apple to fucking Hyundai, right, all of those things
are run as basically a dictatorship. There's a CEO, there
may be a board of directors or whatever, but it's

(01:09:40):
not democratic, right, The things that are effective and actually
work in the world, they're not democratic. And this is
their point. This is what like a guy like Curtis
Yarden Jarvin is like, look, this experiment in democracy, we're
now at the tail end of it. It you know,
it worked for a while, but now it's coming apart
and we're going to replace it with this technique. They're

(01:10:01):
built the surveillance, The technology now exists for them to
have complete control in a way that they never never
did before, everything from digitizing our currency. So like people
are pro bitcoin, but they don't understand and I'm you
know whatever, like if you can make money off bitcoin, great,
Like the idea, this egalitarian idea that you can have
this like this kind of money that is not coming

(01:10:23):
through a central banking concern. It's like very distributive and
you know, anarchic and everything, and people love it. But
this is just the predecessor to them establishing their central
bank digital currency. Once they have that and we're completely cashless,
then the world's their oyster. Like I say something they
don't like on the internet, something anti semitic, you know,

(01:10:43):
Like I'm a Columbia University student who doesn't like to
see baby slaughtered in Gaza. So I've been running my mouth.
Now all of a sudden, they can geofence my money
and say, well you can spend it here, but not here.
You can't use the travel you can they can just
start establishing these rules on how we can use our money.
Now rules aren't in place for that currently, but the
technology is right, so they're gonna do these things incrementally.

(01:11:06):
They got Palmer Lucky from Andrew on board. He's part
of this technique. He's building the AI security stuff they're
gonna use on the border. They're already using it on
the border. They've already got this technology in place. They're
gonna put it in the smart cities right as they
build these. It's not like Trump is against these smart cities,
like he's we're gonna start having these things that people

(01:11:27):
were when it was the you know, World Economic Forum
talking about it, all the right wingers were up in
arms and they were pushing back and they were like,
how dare you? But when it comes from guys like
Vance or Peter Teel or Trump, then it's good, you
know what I mean? Like, there's a lot. I think
there's a lot that's changing in our world as this
technology comes online. And you know, for all I know,

(01:11:49):
like maybe they're right. Maybe Curtis Jarvin and Peter Teele
are right. Maybe we just don't know what's good for
us and the technology exists to kind of hold people
accountable for crime before they can commit them, like all
this like pre crime. They're they're serious about this stuff, right,
Maybe they're right. Maybe the end result of all that
is this like tech enabled utopia. We're gonna be on

(01:12:11):
a universal basic income because there'll be no there'll be
you know, labor jobs anymore, because robots and a I
will have taken it all over, you know, Like this
is the world that they imagine and they speak about
publicly and they write about. So these are the guys
that are behind Trump and so. But the problem is,
like they they what they what they sell you is
the culture warship. They sell you the stuff that with

(01:12:33):
Trump that you want. Like Trump gets in there and
all of a sudden they're fixing the military. Holy ship,
the d I stuff's gone. Like that guy the heg
sath like, you know hard, it's hard not to get
behind that. You're like, yeah, dude, they're gonna they're gonna
make the military like it was back when I was
in it, like in the nineties. It's gonna be obviously,
I'm for that, right, Like that's cool. Right, They're gonna

(01:12:53):
close the border, They're gonna go after the cartels. They're
gonna do. These are positive things that I agree are good,
but I think that behind all that, the big project
that's little shit to them. This is like this is
little shit for them. They're going to fix these problems.
It should have been fixed anyway. Fine, But in behind
all that, there's a bigger project. And the bigger project

(01:13:14):
is what I want to point people towards and say, hey,
look are you are you ready to abdicate your responsibility
over to these people and their algorithms? Are you are
you willing to Are you willing to do this? And
I don't think we're going to have much of a choice.
I think we're I think the genies out of the
bottle with a lot of this stuff, and it's it's
we're off to the races.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
I don't know well with a with AI, the advancing
the advancement of AI and technology, like I said, you
gotta get in, you gotta learn about it because it's
getting involved in everything. It's getting put into everything, even
if you don't like it. You know, I was totally
fine with the uh Google Assistant on my Samsung phone,
but now Google's doing away with a Google assistant and

(01:13:54):
making it into an AI assistant, which has been so
far less less efficient and effective as the original Google
Assistant that they had on there. To me, at least,
I do think there's gonna be some natural side effects
to advancing technology. I don't for me, Like, let's touch

(01:14:18):
on a couple things here. For the crypto thing, For me,
I don't see it. I see I see crypto. Yeah,
that's a good like what do you want to call it?
Commodity or something that people are trading, But I don't
ever see bitcoin like taking over as a main kind
of currency. And you know a question I've always and

(01:14:40):
someone can put this in the comments if you can
answer this question, but I've always put it out there
like there is a limited amount of bitcoins that can
be mine. It's not unlimited, there's a limited amount. And
as every year we hear about oh so and so
lost their crypto wall and it had a million dollars
worth of bitcoin. Oh so and so lost this it
had one point two billion dollars worth of bitcoin. Okay, well,

(01:15:02):
in a hundred years, how many how much bitcoin is
they're going to be available? You know what I'm saying?
Like that to me, just doesn't make sense, like there's
an end state where there's only gonna be a certain
amount and there can be no more created as as
they are lost and things happen naturally, because whatever, what
how does that look? You know what I'm saying. So
that's the way, just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Well, just briefly, just briefly, bitcoin's a brand name. It's
like yeah, cleanings, you know what I mean. Like, so
it wouldn't be Bitcoin, it would be the central bank
digital currency probably. They're talking about XRP being that, So
we're just talking about what it is. Basically, it's a
digitalized you know, global currency. So what are the rails
that's gonna ride on, Like what's the technology, what's the

(01:15:41):
mechanism that's gonna facilitate that. So again, and it's tough
to know, people are trying to figure out what they're
gonna land on because if you invest in it, you
know you're gonna make some money. But like they're saying XRP,
it won't be Bitcoin per se. And then even when
they adopt central bank digital currency, which will actually probably
feel just like it does now cause it's like you know,
you can your phone, you can Venmo, you can it's

(01:16:02):
all digital kind of anyway, unless you're actually pulling money
out of the bank, So it'll it'll just feel like
that they'll make it fairly seamless, but they'll but it'll
they'll have the ability to do kind of authoritarian stuff
with it. But even so, I don't think that'll preclude
people from ever using bitcoin, like some of the things
that are possible like to be optimistic about. And this
is what like the bitcoin like maximalist type says like, yeah,

(01:16:25):
the government can invent whatever digital currency they want. We
can still trade. We can trade doge coins if we want,
you know, we can trade bottle caps and say that
have value. It doesn't matter, Like there's nothing really they
can do with a bunch of people deciding that something
has value and then trading in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
So but yeah, we also need to remember I think
people need to remember as well. I just saw this
the other I saw this stat the other day and
I haven't double checked it, so it could be wrong,
but I doubt it is, but it was that I
think it was sixty percent of India doesn't have internet access.
So we're like we're like advancing like crazy into this

(01:17:02):
like technology and you know, digital currency and AI and
everything to be online, and we we because of where
we're at in our own society, we forget there's major
parts of the world that are nowhere near having that
kind of capability, or they don't even understand what you're
talking about. Like if you went to some village in

(01:17:24):
India and you started trying to describe bitcoin, they'd be like,
what the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
You know, like this is that's insane, Which I think
that's a weak point for us because if we get
so wrapped into technology and then something happens to technology,
something crazy happens, then we're in a really bad spot
because we forgot to how we forgot how to work
in a non you know, technology technological world like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
But well, the other problem with this technology or the
issue with it, and again this is like how I
get in trouble with people because nobody likes to be
moralized too. Right, But there's this thing called the isart fallacy, right,
like you cannot you cannot derive what you ought do,
what you ought do or not do from what is
like you can't just measure and quantify things or observe

(01:18:09):
things and then derive what you ought do from that.
In order to get an aught what we ought be
doing ought not be doing, you have to have an
objective moral standard. We've strayed very far away from ours.
So the thing is like, okay, let's say me and
you and Cody and like seven other people we knew
from the Marines or whatever, we lived in the same
like cul de Sac together, and we just all of
a sudden got a whole bunch of like interesting technology

(01:18:31):
right at that scale and with people that kind of
share decent like a regular moral kind of standard, Like
we may fay feel a little bit differently about something minor,
but we just basically all agree like, hey, look, we
shouldn't be we shouldn't be violating each other's privacy, we
shouldn't be addressing against each other in our property or
in any way. We shouldn't do it right, We did
have no problem implementing that technology into our kind of

(01:18:54):
lives in a way that would just be a benefit, Like, hey,
because we're because we have a shared mortal understand then
that that that informs how we behave with this technology.
The problem is, this shit is coming online for everybody,
and nobody agrees anymore, like, uh, you know, we live
in a country where all, okay, I'll just I'll take

(01:19:14):
a hot button issue like OnlyFans right, Like if you
ask me if I was, you know, Emperor of America,
I would completely ban it, and I would make it illegal,
like I would do that with all of pornography, and
and like I know how that like that sounds to people.
I don't know if i'd make pornography illegal, but I
would make it very hard for pornographers to do business

(01:19:35):
in my country. There'd be no financial incentives for it,
and it would just be difficult. Or I'd leave it
to the States probably like it kind of is like
they can ban certain you know, I would make it.
I would, I would do I would put some mechanisms
in place to kind of make it hard for pornographers
to do business. And then I would be releasing anti
pornography propaganda because I just don't think it's a net

(01:19:57):
good for the society and I don't want to live
in a place where people like tolerate or tolerate is
not even the word. Well, people, well we're past tolerance.
We're now like telling young women no, no, no, you shouldn't
be shamed for that. That's called sex work. It's legitimate.
It's no different than you know, working at a laundromat
or something. So and anybody that tells you otherwise is

(01:20:17):
a bigot. I would go the other way. I would say, hey, look,
I don't want to throw anybody in jail for making pornography,
but I think we should be shaming you. I think
you should be a pariah. I think if someone find
out you do pornography, you should you know, you should
be ashamed of yourself. Like not just my bullshit, but
I mean the problem is I'm just using that to
illustrate a point. That's that's one issue where people are

(01:20:38):
a million years apart. So it's hard for us to
determine what's appropriate to do with this technology because we
don't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
So someone on the hard left, I think, would call
you a Christian nationalist for saying something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, I definitely so. And then to them, I would say,
even if you don't believe that, like there's no sky daddy, right,
like we're just this is just a what an accident
of chemistry and physics particles bumping around that just magically
kind of resulted in unbelievable sophistication and order. But let's
forget all that for a minute. Say there's no sky Daddy, right,

(01:21:12):
we still need a moral standard that we agree on.
So for pragmatic reasons, forget whether God's real or not.
Just for strictly pragmatic reasons that you can, like data
supports this, we would all be better off behaving as
if like the Christian ethics were real or like, we
would all be better off as a society adhering to

(01:21:33):
Christian ethics than not doing so. And the proof is
like in the pudding. Now again that's people. People are
usually too emotional to engage with that. They go, well,
you can't tell me, you know, what to believe. It's like, yeah, true,
I'm just making the case for the health of our culture.
It's not healthy, like we're not doing good, like we
have problems, like we don't get along, we're we're not

(01:21:54):
like we're sick, we're unhappy, like people are crazy, like
it's not going well, So okay, what's going on? Well
what changed? Well, you know, we and again there was excesses,
like there's problems, like you gotta find a middle ground,
like do I think we should throw gay people off roofs. No,
do I think it should be illegal to be gay?

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Do I want you know, a twenty five year old
woman with a four year state college degree talking about
transgenderism to my nine year old No, you know what
I mean, Like, we don't. It's it's a it's a mess, right.
But again, I'm dude, and I'm somebody who spent most

(01:22:37):
of my life stone cold atheist, hedonist, like the whole
time I was in the Marines like all that. Like
there's no atheist in a foxhole. No, there are, Like
I I dude, I used to read like Bertrand and
Russell books just so i'd have AMMO to use against
like Christian dudes on my team, Like there's because there's
always like one or two that are like into it.
It's like born again dudes, and I would fuck with them,

(01:22:58):
you know, I'd be like, yeah, well this part of
the Bible contradicts is this point. I was like a
real dick about it, like a real dick, you know
what I mean. So I don't I have empathy for
people that are that there that way that like don't
believe any of that stuff doesn't matter, Like it doesn't
matter like what you whether you believe in God or not.
We we need a standard like imagine being in a
military unit where there was like you kind of just

(01:23:20):
do what you want all the time, no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yeah. Well, so to back up, you know, for the
the only fans thing specifically, like I think the one
of the big issues is is that the media, social media,
you know, user generated content. They all talk about these
like top point one percent girls that are making like

(01:23:45):
hundreds of thousands of dollars a month, millions of dollars
a year and all that stuff, and it encourages, even
without actually encouraging. It encourages these young women to to
try it themselves without understanding that you're never gonna make
that much. Like the odds of you making that much
money are super. What you're probably gonna do is make

(01:24:06):
as much money as you would if you had a
regular job at most at most, And what are you
giving up in return? You're putting yourself out on the internet.
You know, you're showing your butthole for four ninety nine,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Like, well, and at some point, dude and I have
a lot of empathy for those girls because do what
they need. You know, probably if they had like a
strong father in their life, they wouldn't be doing that
to begin with. So it's like, so our culture has
already failed them in that this seems like a viable
and just like you said, like we're showing them examples

(01:24:40):
of you know, this girl just got bought a Bugatti
for showing her bottle older people or whatever, and it's
like you like you said, that's the exception, not the rule.
But and then we just don't like we'd be doing
them a favor by saying, hey, look, this is not
there's you're capable of more. This is a low frequency
thing to do, Like this is gonna hurt you long term,

(01:25:00):
like you might you may not think so now. And dude,
like I'm a huge hypocrite for even saying any of
that ship because like I don't have only fan wants
to see that. But I just I did things that
were against my interest. But it's lower risk for a guy,
you know, Like the things I were doing is like
stuff other guys would tell you, Oh that's cool, Like

(01:25:21):
you get like positive reinforcement for you know, because it's dude,
this is just the nature. This is an this is
the way it is with men and women, like they
can kind of tell you that it's otherwise they could
say no, no, no, no. Women can be completely sluty, you know,
and that and that's cool. Now we don't judge, and
it's like, no, we still judge, Like I don't. I'm

(01:25:41):
not interested in a girl that does that. And I'm
not alone. Dude, that's an innate thing, like we it's
I think it's natural. I think we we.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
I would never date an OnlyFans model. I would never
date a stripper. I would never date a porn star,
you know, like in my in my previous life, I
I definitely would have.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I just wouldn't have treated them. I wouldn't have taken
them seriously. I would have like hooked up with them,
but there would have been no possible long term future
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
You could. I could never see myself having a kid
with someone who's naked online. You know how traumatizing that'll
be for that kid in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I mean, dude, and it and and it's these girls
are making this decision at such a young age that, dude,
we're all idiots when we're that young. It's not I'm
not even judging the girl. I'm judging just our our,
our failings as a culture. You know, it's not the girls, like, dude,
they're young. It's hard to earn. It's hard to earn
a buck in this world. And then our culture tells
everybody that they have to have all these high end

(01:26:37):
consumer items where they ain't shit, and we tell these
girls like dude, we have bad propaganda. Again. It's like
the feminism has gone too far. It's like, don't don't
get a husband and a family to to serve. You
don't want to You don't want to subordinate yourself to
the will of a man in a home and you know,
as part of this system that creates healthy human beings, No,

(01:26:59):
you need to go into some corporation and subordinate yourself
to a mid level manager who's a man. You know
what I mean, Like they're the feminism is trading a
natural hierarchy for a synthetic hierarchy and then claiming that
it's liberating the woman. It's not liberating the woman. You've
just moved her. You've moved her from one patriarchal set

(01:27:20):
up to another one. Because in all there all that
you can count all the boss bitches you want. It's
the corporate structure is still patriarchal statistically primarily, you know
what I mean? Like, yeah, there's plenty of women in leadership.
I'm saying the norm. The chances are this young woman
that assumes, you know, one hundred and eighty thousand dollars
in student loan debt to get a marketing degree and

(01:27:42):
is now working in an office somewhere, is subordinating herself
to whatever man is in charge of her division there,
and now she has debt and now she has no
Now she has debt that she's paying with OnlyFans, and
I can't get a husband. Like this is not helping women.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Yeah, No, in my opinion, I agree. I think I think,
like a lot of things, COVID really uh made things worse,
right because they sat at home and were like, how
can I make money? And then this only fans opportunity
came about and people were like, oh, well, I could
just sit in my living room again. My buddy Michael,
who's a plumber, has said that he's gone into houses

(01:28:17):
and there's like they have their room, their only fans room,
that's like a setup for that, and it's kind of like, oh, Yeah,
like there's there, that's their filming room. I was, I know,
I was like, dude, that is crazy, and you know
it's I don't know, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
It's understandable, Like it's understandable why they would do that,
because and again, like absent any kind of moral instruction otherwise,
like they're told at a young age like that's no
big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Like what if someone told you, they were like, hey,
I'll give you ten million dollars, you just have to
take one naked photo put it online. You know what
I'm saying, a lot of people are gonna say yes to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
That ten million bucks just a naked photo. Yeah, you know, honestly,
damn dude, I want more, Aaron, I know, I'm just
being honest. I'd have to think about it real hard,
because ten million dollars, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
That's that's generational wealth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
You know, that's me never that's me never working again,
and then me being able to spend every second that
I would otherwise be working with my family.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
That's the option that a lot of these girls are
being told though. That's what they're being told, Hey, if
you do this, this is what you're gonna get, and
they're thinking of it like, man, I'm I'm poor, or
I'm lower middle class and I'd really like to go
take that trip to fucking France, you know what I'm saying,
and not worry about it. Or I'd really like to
buy something from my mom, buy my mama house.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
And the way our the way our society works is
if you get enough money, it doesn't matter what. People
can't shame you then you know, like that, and I'm
pretty sure that's part of the calculus, Like, yeah, they
can talk shit when I'm nobody, but when I'm rich.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
It's funny. It's funny though because we like, like I
said earlier, like a lot of these girls will start
this thinking that they have this possibility of making this
much money, and it's like, hey, the numbers are there.
They are the top one point one percent of OnlyFans creators.
That means ninety nine point ninety percent of the people
doing it aren't making that much money, most of them

(01:30:08):
significantly less. So yeah, the odds are they're they're telling
you the odds. It even says. It even says I
think like on their accounts if they're like a point
one percent one percent or whatever, there's like, yeah, there's
this chick right now, who's like one of those models
who's like down in Florida banging a bunch of people

(01:30:29):
on spring break for content and stuff. It's stuff like that.
It's just I don't know, man, it's the whole thing
is crazy. It's crazy. But again I see where there's
like I said, if someone was saying it was like, hey,
post a picture of your buttthole online, I'm gonna give
you ten million bucks and be like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
I mean, it's totally it's totally rational what they're doing,
which is why like this is this is just you know,
it's a tough time for for these people, like young people.
I uh, how many kids? You just got? The one teenager?

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Yeah, yeah, eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
I'm eighteen. Okay, well all right, so you're through. So
he's kind of he's that's for him to manage. Then
he's got to figure out how he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Well, he's still in high school, he's finishing up his
senior year of high school. He's one of those like
late birthdays, and so he turned like me. I was
the same way. I turned eighteen my senior year. So
he understands, like, you're eighteen now, man, you're responsible if
something bad happens, it's no longer me and your mom
having to help you out and stuff like that. It's

(01:31:32):
on you now, Like legally, you're in charge of yourself. However,
as someone who was eighteen, you know, and I moved
out of my parent I moved out of my mom's
house like a few months before I even graduated high
school because I was eighteen, and a couple buddies got
a place and asked me if I wanted to move in,
and I was like, all right. As someone that did
that and kind of knows, you know, where things can
go wrong in that kind of situation, I still try

(01:31:55):
to put out like guardrails for him, just to be like, hey, man,
make smart decisions. You know, you're an adult and you
can make decisions, but let me give you a little
bit of advice from someone that's been there. And as
most teenagers are, he'll listen to some and he'll not
listen to some. You know, it's just out it is.
But it's on us as parents and as adults in
society to like try to guide these kids in the

(01:32:16):
right direction. Don't let them go down the wrong path.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
It's tough. You're competing with social media.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Yeah, Well, luckily he's not a big social media guy.
He's a little bit on Instagram and stuff. He's definitely
he doesn't even have TikTok, like, he's not really into that.
I'm I'm extremely lucky that he's as well rounded, like
he's a he's got a good head on his shoulders.
I don't know, he's so far in life he's been good.
I can't have no complaints about my son because he's

(01:32:46):
just doing the things that he's got to do. He
doesn't give me grief about stuff. He doesn't cause trouble,
he doesn't get in trouble with the law. And part
of that, I think is because you know, there's expectations,
you know what I'm saying, and not like I'm not
like a helicopter parent and I'm making him do things
and I'm like, you have to get straight as so

(01:33:07):
you can get into the best college. No, I'm like, hey, man,
do your best. That's all I'm telling you. I'm walking, Hey,
if you're gonna do something, do your best. I know
you don't like being in high school. It sucks. Do
your best. Get it over with. It's a check in
the box. And then you're done with it and you
don't have to worry about it. Don't be the guy
that quits on your junior year or your senior year
and goes and you know, cause he's like, oh, I

(01:33:27):
don't even need a high school diploma to work as
a plumber.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
And I'm like, okay, no, just hang out, just enjoy it. Man.
It doesn't get easier in life, like yeah, high school,
Like you know, they don't. They don't have that perspective though,
they you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
And they're coming into they're coming into a weird world.
And you're right about like technology, And I guess we
to go back to what you were saying before about
this like these like what were we saying, like technocrats
or whatever kind of running I mean maybe to a point.
I mean I think technology is advancing and it's gonna go.
There's nothing we can do about that. I would. I

(01:34:04):
don't think it's going to become like a I don't know, man,
I don't think I'm trying to think of how to
say this. I don't think like Musk and Deal and
all those guys are like going to run everything, like
take everything over. You know, they're pseudo leaders of the
of the world at that point. I do think that

(01:34:25):
they have an impact, you know what I'm saying. I
just don't know. I don't see it as dark as
you do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
I guess I think I think it'll I just I
think it will depend on whose whose political political philosophy
gets traction. So the existing order, the neoliberal global order,
these guys you know, that have been in power since
after World War Two. They they don't want to give
it up. But dude, they Trump Trump and company has
got them on the ropes. I think they're in tough shape.

(01:34:54):
I think the existing order is in tough shape. I
think a lot of the Republican holdouts are now firmly
in the Trump camp because these people are pragmatic. They're
just gonna you know, Trump's gonna crush anybody, any dissenters.
He he on on dash too. For Trump this time,
I don't think he's taken any any kind of bullshit
like he had that first go around. And again, this
isn't like pro or anti Trump, It's just kind of

(01:35:16):
like what I observed like that first time around, I
don't think he knew fully what he was getting into,
and I think he just assumed that he'd have all
the Republicans and didn't know that there was a bunch
of them that absolutely hated him, would work at countered
him to included like, you know, he had a big
issue with guys like General Madison stuff. When he's telling
his Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and he's telling his
military to get out of Syria and they're slow rolling

(01:35:38):
him and they're lying to him.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
You know, he's they say, I remember they openly said
that after he was no longer president, that they had
lied to him so that they could keep troops in Syria.
But the troops there anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
They were proud of it because because from their perspective,
they are the government, you know what I mean that
they are the security state. So again, neither here nor
they're my opinion about those guys, but like I think
that who knows what what they're going to do to
try to get power. But if you kind of look
at like, you know, the Vance is probably the front
runner for the Republicans after Trump and dude, maybe Gavin

(01:36:14):
Newsom kind of rises up or something. But like it's
not looking good for the Dems, you know, Like I
I just they don't seem to have their shit together,
and and so it'll be you know, if the global
if the rules based international order gets power again, it's
gonna have to be the Democrats. And like, I mean,
a lot can happen in the convening four years. But
like dude, and so so so if we go another

(01:36:34):
election cycle with a Peter Teel candidate in there, so
Vance is very.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Much Wait on, why are you so against Peter Tiel, Like,
what's your what's the what's the issue?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
I'm not I'm not saying I'm against him. I'm just
pointing to the fact that he is responsible for Jade Vance.
He funded jd Vance from the word jump. He's was
instrumental in jd Vance getting that book published. He word.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
J Vance working.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Teals Like, yeah, but I think yes, But but that's
not like how he met Teal. I'm not exactly sure,
like how oops, sorry, I'm not yeah, but okay, So
back to Teal. He so he again, he has a

(01:37:20):
very specific philosophy about how the government should be run.
And it's not the one that we've been experiencing since
World War Two. It's not this now. I'm not saying
that like all of a sudden, democracy will go away.
I just think it'll be it'll take a different form.
I think that I think these guys may it might
be better. You know, I don't. It's not like I
don't like Peter Teel. He seems weird. Like all these

(01:37:41):
guys seem real weird to me, like Musk, Like forget
what they're doing. Like if you just put me in
a room with any of these guys and and like
I'm sitting there and there talking, they seem completely insane,
Like Peter Teel's like sweating. He seems nuts. Musk is
like autistic and insane, Like he seems nuts to me.
Like these you just don't seem like like stable, normal
people like you named one of his kids like a

(01:38:03):
series of numbers and dashes and shit like, yeah, we're
giving these people ammense amount of power and I don't
know what they're so my thing is is like I
don't know what their moral foundations are, like what are
their limits? Like what are they about? Ultimately?

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
You know, Yeah, I don't know. People are hating on
Musk for sure, but it's undeniable that he has made
quite the impact on just humanity with some of the
stuff that he is involved with. You know, with these
rocket launches, with Tesla, with PayPal and a lot of
this stuff, people will rightly say these were things that

(01:38:37):
were created that he jumped in on and like invested
in and stuff like that. But he's also since he's
invested in these things, he's also helped guide them to
where they are now, you know what I'm saying. It's
not like he just threw ten million or ten billion
or whatever at PayPal or at Tesla and then just
let them continue running it. Like he had some hands

(01:38:58):
on changes that he made to like advance him to
where they are to this point. So it's like on
deniable to say that he's having an impact on humanity.
I mean, the biggest thing watching these SpaceX rockets is crazy,
you know what I'm saying, especially when they start catching them,
Like that's crazy. And I understand why. Like listening to
him talk, I've watched multiple interviews of his I do

(01:39:20):
think he has like some kind of touch of autism
or something, which he probably I would say, he freely admits.
I don't think. I don't know. I think he I
think he does most more good than bad.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
I don't disagree with with all that, Like you know
it's undeniable that he's having an impact. Okay, But for me,
just just as I like stare at all these changes
in our world, right, and it's in this journey I've
been on to understand the what what kind of philosophically
underpins all this stuff? When I see guys like Teal

(01:39:55):
and and Trump or not Trump, I already I kind
of know what Trump's about. But Teal and my I
see them, you know, accumulating power, and they're creating this
technology and like you said, yeah, that's the rockets and
and you know, but for me, it's like these are
these are items. These are material items and quantities of
material items. And the success that we're talking about is
in the production, the moving forward to these technologies, the

(01:40:17):
production and and kind of you know, proliferation of these technologies.
But nowhere in there is can I find an ought
a moral good? Like I want to? I want an
improved world for myself and my children and for everybody else,
you know what I mean. Like, and the mere advancement
in production of technology, it's not obvious to me like

(01:40:39):
how that results in a better world for me or
my kids. Okay, you can say that the technology is inevitable,
and so you know, uh, if it's an American that's
creating the technology, then we win and whatever. So maybe,
but like dude, like I don't give I don't give
a single solitary shit about going to Mars, anybody ever

(01:41:01):
going to Mars any of that shit. Like I don't see.
I don't believe anyone's ever going to Mars. I think
it's nonsense. But even if it was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
True, Like, why do you think is nonsense? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
I just don't even think they have their little dune
buggies up there. I think that's all bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Do you think, oh you think space travels off like fake?
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
I don't know, I don't know. I'm not convinced. I'm
not convinced.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
I mean you have to believe, you have to believe
in the space station and people being in space because
you can literally see it from Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I mean that's low Earth orbit though that's not Mars,
which is ninety million miles away. Yeah, so like what again,
maybe it's true, but just using my discernment and understanding,
like these people's propensity to tell world changing lies and
that's another whole rabbit hole. But like I could give
you ten examples of things that these people you know,

(01:41:50):
lied about, But like, okay, what I'm expected to believe
a couple things, Like, first of all, what I'm told,
what I've shown pictures of, is that Musk put a
red Tesla roadster with a fake spaceman in it on
a rocket, shot it into space and it's on its
way to Mars. I used to think, tell me, and
then they show you a picture of it and it
looks like nonsense, And then Musco's you can tell it's

(01:42:11):
real because of how fake it is. From my perspective,
somebody that's like into all this shit, I'm like, yeah,
that's them fucking with me, Like they're laughing at me,
you know, Like like I don't believe there's a red
Tesla roadster floating to fucking Marble. That's one thing. I
also don't happen to believe that there's dune buggies driving
around on Mars ninety million million miles away, sending four
k fucking And they're.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Like, you don't think so, you don't think the Mars
rovers are real?

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
No, I just don't. I can't. I can't empirically demonstrate
to you that they're that they're fake or anything. But
I just again airing on the side of like, there's
nothing about those things being on Mars that's important to
me in any way or benefits me. But these guys
they're the the the science or whatever, like there's it's

(01:42:57):
obvious to me how they benefit from that and how
I don't you know what I mean, like to continue
to show everybody that. It's like they're justifying their fifty
eight million dollar a day average budget or whatever for NASA.
It's like a again, I know how insane that sounds,
like how many people would have to be in on
it and all this other shit. I'm not saying I
definitively know that there's no fucking ro control cars on Mars.

(01:43:20):
I just don't really buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
I don't know, I think it's true. I think we're
looking at it now kind of like if you were
in the fourteen hundreds and they're like, hey, there's a
land across the ocean that we can go and habit,
and everybody's like, yeah, right, you know bullshit. You know
it's like yeah, I think it's kind of like that,
and I think that's kind of I like that we're
doing it because I do think that we got to

(01:43:43):
continue pushing, you know, new frontiers. I do think the
Earth is a finite resource, right, so what are the
options beyond that, beyond Earth for if something were to
happen here?

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
I don't know that the Earth's finite resource. I think
the Earth's like endlessly abundant. I think it's been empirically
demonstrated that it's a finite resources. I don't think. So
it's like, you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Don't think an asteroid or something coming and hitting us
could uh kind of?

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
I mean maybe, yeah, maybe that could happen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
I don't like, but I think that's so that's what
they're doing. They're they're like, hey, we're not gonna wait
for something bad to be getting ready to happen for
us to try to figure this out. We should figure
it out now so that when something bad does happen,
we have some kind of recourse.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Like what are we gonna like if an asteroid's coming,
what are we gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Do send eight billion people to Mars?

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
No? I mean, like it's just it for me. It
comes down to like I have no way of I
have no way of independently verifying whether that stuffs true.
So it's like I have to believe, I have to
have faith, So it's hard for me to put my
faith in these institutions when when I just don't trust them.
So again, like I'm not I'm not trying to take

(01:44:51):
a hard stand, like I don't think it's true. I'm
just saying, yeah, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But
at the end of the day, maybe just out a
priority for you to care about. Yeah, I don't care
about it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Yeah, that's kind of how I am with a lot
of things, man, you know. With again with uh, that's
where I've kind of gotten with Russia Ukraine, like I
just don't care anymore. If we want to If Ukraine
wants to buy weapons from US, then sure we can
sell them weapons so you can continue their fight. But
I don't think we should just be giving stuff away,
kind of like with the whole And I know this
might tick off another conversation, the whole thing with Israel

(01:45:24):
and Palestine whatever, I don't care. I don't really care
about either one of them. Let them do their thing
if they If Israel wants to buy weapons from US, cool,
we'll sell them weapons. But I don't think we should
be actively involved in you know, that's their that's their
issue to deal with, you know, not our issue.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
So and I think most people agree with that at
a minimum. Like you don't hear too many people advocating
for like us to go get involved over there, although
although we did, we did that, like floating peer.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Was so stupid and and and we had an American
died on that thing because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
It's oh like by accident or something.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Yeah, he got injured. He got injured on a pier
that they knew would not work. That So for people
that don't know what we're talking about, look up the
floating peer in Gaza that cost us like one hundred
million dollars or some shit, and almost no it was
supposed to be used to bring in supplies. Almost no
supplies went on it because it was not useful at all.
It was for it's like a pier that you would
build on like like a lake or a harbor or

(01:46:25):
something like that. This was the open ocean. So it's like, yeah,
it's just getting fucked up constantly, and for this political
thing that you know, that's all it was is the optics.
It was a political stunt cost us an American life.
You know, for no fucking reason. And that's that's the
kind of thing where I'm like, dude, this is so stupid, man, Like,
why are we even involved? Let them do their thing.

(01:46:46):
I do think the reason I do think that we
should sell them weapons, and I'm pseudo in supportive of
Israel is because there's actual American citizens that were killed
and kidnapped during that the whole ordeal, right, and I think,
you know, actually they're talking about releasing I think he's
the last one on this next trade deal. And I
think anytime there's an American that's been captured or something

(01:47:08):
like that, or that there's an attack and Americans are killed,
I think we as a society have responsibility to respond
to that because then it's like, hey, okay, maybe we
shouldn't fuck with the Americans, maybe we should fuck with
like American interests. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But
I don't know. Again, it's another It's another one of
those conflicts that have been raging my entire life where

(01:47:30):
it's like we just I don't care. I don't care
about either side, you know, like, do your thing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Again, if we want to sell weapons to him, sure,
but I don't think we should just be giving Israel
or Ukraine just weapons for free. Does that agree?

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
And the Israel Gazza things, you know, dude, Like there's
certain people that if you just take a kind of
neutral but hey, I don't like the fact that all
those kids and women are dead position. Then then in
short order, like someone will call you an anti semi
and you're like, dude, no.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Palestinian, all the Palestinian women.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Yeah, it's crazy, like it's such a hot button item.
And then now like if you look at like Twitter,
for example, it's like half of the Twitter feed is
like about about people that hate Jews and then choose
pushing back against people hate. It's all about that, you know.
And it's like that and the degree to which that's
going on. You have all these like ridiculous influencer people

(01:48:31):
that are like taking you know, one side or the other.
So you get these like high profile like candas o
Insights who are just like on the internet kind of
like hey, maybe Hitler wasn't such a bad guy type
of stuff. Right, It just feels like an opt to me,
it feels really weird.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Well, I think I think a lot of that is
driven by money because when They're on Twitter and they
put out these crazy things that they know people are
going to react to every time someone views that tweet
and react and like Lead's alike, these comments, they get paid.
So if I can get paid to say the most
ridiculous things and this is something that riles people up
naturally and people will comment, then maybe it's almost like, hey,

(01:49:06):
is it worth it to show my butthole to get
ten million dollars? Yeah? Is it worth it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Is it worth it to to say Hitler was cool?

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Yeah? You know what I'm saying. I may not actually
think that's a good idea, or I may kind of,
you know, hate myself a little on the inside for
saying it. But the payoff is this, you know, like
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Know, Yeah, yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
What do you think about this guy that's getting deported
from Columbia?

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
So I don't know. I tried to look into it,
and I still couldn't. I wanted to find out exactly
what he said and whether it's whether it's just the
case that he violated you know, some statute or law
regarding his green card, and I couldn't figure it out.
So all I couldn't. All I could get was like
the rhetoric from each side that you know, from from
the left, they're saying, oh, you guys are free speech

(01:49:52):
absolutists till it comes to this, till it comes to Israel,
and now you're kicking people out, And I'm like that, Yeah,
there's some validity to that. I think if he was
in the streets advocating against Costa Rica, nobody would care.
You know what I mean. This is specifically because the
Israel for not taking aside here. I'm just saying, they
have very powerful lobby, They have APAC, they have the

(01:50:15):
a d L they have a lot of power in
our country, and so when so they're flexing their power there.
And then the current administration is very sympathetic to Israel.
They're all Zionists all the way down from Trump. Every
single person you will not find one person in Trump's cabinet,
all those picks, every single one of them, without exception,
is on the record saying I am a committed Zionist.

(01:50:35):
I give. A Zionist is somebody at the most basic tenant,
with the most basic definition is a Zionist is somebody
that believe this is what Zionists will tell you. A
Zionist is just somebody that believes that the Jewish people
should have their own state. Okay, But it's more than
that in actual reality, because what it really means practically

(01:50:57):
is that, you know, you think that Israel should be
able to do a bunch of things in support of
that goal, to include like turn Gaza into rubble, you
know what I mean. So, like, do I think the
Jewish people should have their own state? Sure, I guess.
Like again, it's like you, I like, okay, they can
have their own state. Like, It's not like I don't
want them to have their own state. I just don't

(01:51:17):
want them to have any power over my government. I
don't want the country of Israel not jew and I'm
talking about you. I'm talking about the country of Israel.
I don't want them to have as much power as
they do over my country. That's it. And so I'm
not so for that reason, I'm not a Zionist, you know.
But it's not like, uh no, the Jews should just
wander the deserts endlessly. I don't want them to have

(01:51:39):
a state, you know. But so, but every person in
Trump's cabinet is on the record, you know, pledging their
support for Israel and then you know, they don't break
from that, like they're they're pretty consistent in that now,
and it's no you know, Trump got a hundred million
dollars from Mariam Madelson. She's a you know, Israel lobby person.

(01:51:59):
He you know, Jared Kushner is Benjamin Netanyah, who's godson.
Most of most of Trump's kids are now Jewish by conversion.
So just that just is what it is. Some people
will say that Trump's playing like five D chess with
met Yahoo and like he's got some move planned. We'll

(01:52:21):
see again. I'm getting to the point where like, dude,
I honestly don't care. And so but even when you
say you don't care, people get mad. They go, you
don't care if the Jews have their own state. I'm like, okay,
I think the Jews should have their own state so
people don't try to holocaust him or whatever. The reason is, right,
but it is a bit interesting, like we tolerate stuff

(01:52:43):
out of Israel that we wouldn't tolerate from other people,
for sure, dude, And in a lot of ways we
say that it's it's not okay to have an ethno state,
Like if I just started walking around saying, I want
to have like a europe a white European ethno state.
No one's gonna no one's patience for that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
But that's not really a fair assessment of Israel, though,
because I think it's like twenty percent of their population
or even twenty percent of their government is Muslim.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Uh yeah, but they're but they're, but they are. It's
a Jewish state. Like there, it's it's a Jewish state.
But it's not like they're like, you can't can't through well, okay,
so it can't through a democratic process become like an
Arab state, you know what I mean. It's specifically a
Jewish ethno state, which I don't have a problem with that.

(01:53:32):
I'm just saying, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
But my point, I guess is that a lot of
people are like, oh, they're all racists, they just want
Jews in Israel and da da da. And it's like, yeah,
I mean, you may say that, but the reality is
is that it's a pretty diverse culture.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Yeah. I don't think they're I don't think they're racist.
I don't think it's like that. I don't know, I
don't mean, I don't mean to say that by ethno state,
I'm just describing it like what it technically is. I
don't think that they're trying to like make it a
place that only Jews can be because, like you said,
there's all kinds of people there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
I don't buy the genocide line you know that people
throw out there because it's like, uh, one, it just
doesn't make sense again because of the diversity of their
their actual country. And two, you know, when we talk
about genocide and Gaza, that's a if it is it's
like the worst ever because they've literally gained population. It's
not like they're losing population there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Yeah, yep, I agree. I uh. I think that what's
going on in the interior of Israel and what's going
on in Palsline are two separate things. But the they're
gonna get. So it's like what they're getting right now
is what guys like Net And it's not everybody in
Israel there. Israel's divided. There's plenty of people in Israel
that are for a two state solution, and they've come

(01:54:43):
close in negotiation a couple of times to like that
that kind of happening, But a lot of people don't
know that Net and Yahoo's party, the knesse It the
like right wing you know, hardliners in Israel. They supported
financially and otherwise supported Hamas over the years. So that
Hamas and this is this is a matter of public record,
like they admit this. They wanted Hamas in power and

(01:55:05):
not the p l A Palestinian or the PA Palasin
Authority because the palison and authority is pro two state solution.
Hamas is like, no, let's kill all the Jews, right
net and Yahu and his guys are like, we have
to have Hamas in there to get what we want ultimately,
which is they want to have it out. They don't
want to have a two state solution. You know, both
Hamas and Israel want to have it out. Like they

(01:55:27):
want to fight and see who's gonna you know, be
the only one type of thing, whereas the two state
solution people want a peaceful resolution. So it's a bit
complicated because it's like hey, like like we do all
the time, like we keep creating our own you know,
isis to go fight, right, So this is like Israel
is doing this with a Maas and like the monster
kind of got out of their control at this point.

(01:55:47):
And but I think ultimately it's looking like I think
Israel's gonna get everything they want. They're gonna get Trump,
you know, via Trump, with Trump's support, because he's he's
made it very clear like they're gonna get Gaza. They're
gonna do whatever they're gonna do with those people. They're
gonna relocate, They're gonna figure that out. But that will,
that will now, it'll be like and this is part
of these guys, Like the IDF, they wear the Greater

(01:56:10):
Israel patch, which is like half the Levant, like it
goes up into Syria. Like the outline of Israel on
their on the IDF patch for their deployment to Gaza
is the Greater Israel patch. So it's not like they
don't have a like a biblical interpretation of what Israel
is and that extends well past the current boundaries. So

(01:56:31):
I'm not taking aside, like here's my side. I am.
I'm anti Hamask guys coming over and hang gliders and
killing a bunch of people doing ecstacy to rave. I'm
anti that, and I'm anti killing women and children with
no agency in Gaza. So at the volume that they've
done it, I'm not buying the like, oh, those were

(01:56:51):
all human shields. It's it's all Hamas's fault. It's like, dude, like,
I know what I see with my eyes. And again
I'm not saying, dude, I'm not like, I'm just saying
I'm anti whatever that is, Like whatever is resulting in
all the like armless babies and shit, I'm anti that. Now.
The retort to that as well, it's just tough, titty
because this is this is what it takes to you know,

(01:57:14):
get one. Yeah, it's war, you know, It's like, okay,
fair enough, But I'm also anti work.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
I definitely don't believe the numbers that Hamas have put
out about the amount of civilians that have been killed.
I think those I think that's I think we're getting
straight propaganda from both sides, and depending on who you support,
you believe that propaganda from that side and disbelieve the
other side. I don't think. I I think there are
civilians obviously getting killed. I also think that there are

(01:57:38):
teenage kids that are fighters that they're calling civilians.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
For sure. I'm not even count dude. That's why I
just say, like babies and women like and even some
of the women. You know, dude, of course, like some
of the women are doing logistics support for the Hamas
or they're actually fighting, who knows, But like like that's
why I'm not taking a hard line like Israel's committing
genocide and you know I'm not. I'm not playing that
game because that's the sifting that takes place online is

(01:58:04):
like what camp are you in? Are you in the
Jake Shields, the Jews? It's always the Jews camp, or
are you in the Ben Shapiro. You know, I'm in
none of those camps.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
Like I said earlier about like New York Times and politics,
like I'll listen to I like listening to some of
Ben Shapiro's points, but when it comes to like Israel
and stuff like that, I'm always like, yeah, okay, I'm
gonna double check whatever he's talking about there his other
like American political stuff. I think he has a lot
of good points. I disagree with some of his obviously

(01:58:36):
some of his points just like most people, you know,
you don't agree with everybody in everything kind of deal.
But I also think that like his bias is well known,
so knowing that you should always take whatever information he
gives you. That's in regards to that bias and the
fact check it with something else.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
You know, So this is this is a real tough issue,
especially I think for young people that are you know,
they're not armed to understand, like you just broke down,
like how kind of how the you got to understand
what PU people's bias are and approach to But when
you encounter they call it the JQ, you know, the
Jewish question online because the Jewish question writ large forget

(01:59:15):
Palestine right now, like writ large, the Jewish question is, hey,
is there a are the Are the Jews effectively trying
to take over control over everything? And then there are
evidence for that that people point to is like hey,
look look how many Jewish people are in positions of
power in media, government? They break it all down like
military industrial complex corporations, right, So people start looking at

(01:59:38):
things that are observably true, and then they start following
these inferences like well, if those people are there, they're
there because they've conspired to be there and they're exercise
and control. And then here's a pac and all the
money and all the lobby and also shit. Well, in
very short order, like you can you can very easily
find a bunch of compelling uh, information that's presented in
a very compelling way that radicalize you Jews like that,

(02:00:01):
Like it can happen very very quickly, like a otherwise
reasonable person can very quickly come to the conclusion that
it's the Jews like everything. And then and then what
happens is you see them online all of a sudden,
they that they become the scapegoat for everything. So is
there too much pornography in the United States? It's the Jews. Well,
don't you know the Jews own the pornography company. Oh okay, well,

(02:00:23):
what you know points to another problem open borders. Don't you
know that the Jews have long been running these NGOs
that that have been, you know, facilitating migration from Sub
Saharan Africa into Europe. And then you can find that
it's that there's a case for that. So it's it's
and that's why the Jews are always so freaked out.
That's why, like the a d L is so aggressive,

(02:00:44):
because weird.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Weird though that we that people You're right, people will
immediately it's easy to fall into that train and like,
oh the Jews they do all these things, but then
we ignore like well, Catholic charities also facilitate a lot
of that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
You know what they'll do, They'll find one Jewish person
that's involved somewhere in the hierarchy of that charity. I
just I've seen it on the online a million times,
and and so it creates this like both sides are
like right, because not right completely, but like the ADL
is like constantly running around like that Jonathan Greenblatt, and
it's like everyone's you know, trying to holocaust us again

(02:01:25):
and freaking out. And then plenty of evidence that that's
true from the online discourse. And then the people in
the online discourse are like, look here, you want some
evidence that the Jews control everything. As soon as Kanye
started talking bad about the Jews, he wasn't a billionaire anymore.
They took his money and it's like all right, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
So it's like, well, it sounds like people are like
in most cases, unfortunately, like in our society, people are
very binary. You're either with us or you're against us.
There's no nuance, you know, there's no like maybe there's
a little truth here and a little truth there, but
your conspiracy is kind of fucked, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
And to me, the antidote for that stuff, because I
don't want to be. I don't want to be influenced.
I don't want to be I don't want to be
manipulated into being like a Nazi, you know what I mean.
But so my anidote for because aside from just not
being very interested in how many Jews are in what
positions of power and what companies or whatever, my antidote

(02:02:21):
is just take complete responsibility for instead of pointing, instead
of trying to scapegoat whoever for these external problems. No,
like we the problem again, it's like with the drugs,
it's demand like it's like it's our own weakness. If
there's if there's exploitable like inroads to weaken our society.
Pointing and saying that it's the Jews is not what

(02:02:43):
you ought to be doing. What you ought to be
doing is just tightening it up, fixing the problem, to
fix your own house, you know what I mean. Like,
there's no time to be scapegoating the Jews like this
is not well.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
It's like that. It's like people that hate billionaires. I
saw some you know, it's like they're like, oh yeah,
I saw some post something earlier today they're like, just
because Elon Musk is a billionaire, that doesn't mean or
Elon Musk being a billionaire doesn't isn't the reason why
you're poor? And I was like, you know, and people
want to be mad at him like that. It's like
it's his fault, you know. It's like and people look

(02:03:16):
at something like that, like finance, you know, and the
finance is like that, like like it's one pie and
he's taking a huge majority of the pie. And it's like, no,
there's there's no pie.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
There's no, it's not It's never occurred to me to
be angry that someone's a billionaire, Like I don't like earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
You got to take agency, you have to take some
you know, you have to look at yourself, just like
in the Marine Corps, you know, know yourself and seek
self improvement. If i'm if I look at myself and
I go, man, I'm poor. But then I only do
like three hours of work a day. I don't ever
do anything to improve my my station in life. I
don't do anything to improve you know, my output or whatever.

(02:03:53):
Then whose fault is it? You know, it's easy to
get online, like you said, and oh it's the Jews.
Oh it's a billionaire. Oh, it's to you know, pick
your poison kind of deal where you should be going,
what am I doing wrong here? What is there something
I could be doing to improve what, you know, my
own situation? Yes, but a lot of people don't want

(02:04:15):
to do that because they don't want to admit to
themselves that they're not that they're fucking up, you know,
that they're not doing it right, that they're making missteps
and continue to make missteps.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
So yeah, and plus like crazy like you know, all
these things, even the things that I like point to them,
they're all like some mosque, you know how many people
that got employing you know, Yeah, he's not making those
people poor, certainly.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
That's Yeah, that's another thing that people forget. And I
love how when people come out and they're like, well,
you know, uh, they should be running this business this way.
They don't pay their employees enough for this, And I'm like, well,
if you think there's a better way to do it,
then start your own business, you know, like prove them wrong,
prove that there's a better way to do it. But
people don't do that, you know, and there's there's always
an excuse. Oh, I don't have the funds to start

(02:05:05):
my own business. Oh, I don't have this. I can't
do that. I can't. You know, you're self selecting, Just
like you've you saw in the military when you go
through these special operations course and stuff, people self select
Like I'm not gonna go to MARSK just because I
don't even think I can make it, you know, without
even knowing what's involved with it. I'm not gonna try
out because of this. You know, you're self selecting. You're going, oh,
I'll never have enough money to start my own business,

(02:05:26):
or I don't I can never work through the system
to start my own business. Well, if that's how you feel,
then yeah, you're right, you're never gonna be able to
do that thing. But if you passionately believe in something
and you put in the work, then you probably could
make it if you really tried, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Well, And I still believe that America is the best
place for that. Like it's still, like I said, there's
still enough economic activity in this country right now that
you can you can still do whatever. Like, yeah, of course,
you know, are their challenges, you know, of course, But
like I don't think if I was like starting out
in the world. You know, pick any kind of thing

(02:06:01):
you want to get into, Like this is probably the
best place where any entrepreneurial endeavor. Or just so just
to dude, like the difference between a place that just
has a bunch of economic activity and a place that
doesn't is night and day. Like we we have it
pretty good here still, oh just do just it sucks
because and like I'm partially responsible because I get pretty

(02:06:21):
down on the government and stuff. But like people are
very sour on the country.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
You know, like people it's the cool thing to do, right,
It's the cool thing to be disgruntled. Just like in
the military, there was like I remember on my way
on my way out, and a few years after I
got out, the vibe felt like it was cool to
be the ship bag. You know, It's cool to be
fuck these guys, you know. And that's just kind of
the mindset that some people take. And it's I don't know,

(02:06:50):
it's kind of dumb because it's self defeating. People that
shit on the country. I mean, we've had when you're
talking about entrepreneurs, we've had.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
More foreign born.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Self made millionaires in any other country. You know, this
is actually a real country of opportunity. These people come
over here from other countries that have lived in actual
shitty countries. You know, people talk smack about the US,
they've never been to an actual like shithole country. Some
of these people come over here from these actual shithole countries.
They understand the opportunity that they've been given, and they
work hard and they become successful, you know. And and

(02:07:23):
that's part of the problem is that not enough Americans
have actually struggled. And that's a people are.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
People are to start somewhere like that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
People are gonna take Yeah, people are gonna take that
the wrong way, Like I struggle every day, you know
this and that. Yeah, But when and when you look
at it in perspective, like for someone like us that
have been to other countries, like actual third world countries
where you know, they're living in mud huts, they're shitting
in holes, like there's no computer, there's no internet, there's
barely even twenty four hours of electricity. You know, there's

(02:07:54):
you know, if any at all. Then I look at
people here and I'm like, no, you're not actually struggling.
I know, it's the hardest thing that you may have
ever done personally, but just know that it could be
way worse. And people don't want to hear that because
it's obviously, you know, if they're in a if they're
in a tough situation and it's a tough situation they've

(02:08:15):
personally ever been in, then yeah it's gonna be it's
gonna be tough. But yep, they don't want to hear
it from someone like me, where I'm like, it could
be worse. You.

Speaker 2 (02:08:23):
Yeah, this is not helpful. Yeah, it doesn't help. Yeah,
I just don't know what to do. A little gratitude
would go along way with people. Like that's something I
never had any of it until kind of recently and
just just kind of like it's like some hippie hippi shit,
But it's like, you know, if you can't on a
daily basis, like just take take inventory and take stock

(02:08:44):
of like the things that you are grateful for the
things that could be horrible and it probably are horrible
for other people. I've read it somewhere and it like
kind of sticks with me. It's like we all probably
feel the same pressure, like to be doing more or
to get more to like kind of keep ascending this career.

(02:09:04):
Material Goods Ladder or whatever that would just trajectory that
we're kind of always on. But there was there was
a time in my life where I wouldn't have even
been able to fathom like the level of like material
comfort I have now. Like from my current perspective, I'm like,
you know, I could be doing more. I need more
and bigger, health, more shit, whatever, But there was a
point in time where I would have been like flabbery

(02:09:26):
acid to have the stuff I have now. Yeah, and
not just have like material but like the kind of
life I'm living.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
You know, No, I completely understand. I completely So it's
funny you say that because I just thought of this.
I just thought this to myself, like a couple of
weeks ago. For the last people that listen to the
podcast probably have seen that I've kind of dropped off
on releasing episodes like the last six or eight months,
and I'm like, I just got kind of burned out

(02:09:54):
on it. I got kind of burned out on doing
the podcast. I felt like I wasn't making much traction,
you know, And I'm looking at other podcasts. I'm looking
at like Sean Ryan, who started a month after me,
but he gets millions of views and I'm like, man,
you know what am I doing wrong?

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Am I not? It's just not quality content. But then
and then, like a couple of weeks ago, I was
looking at my analytics and I'm like, you know, I've
had tens of thousands of people listen to this podcast
this month. If I would have said to myself four
years yeah, that ten thousand people are going to listen
to your podcast in one month, I would have been ecstatic.

(02:10:31):
But now I've kind of I've kind of lost I've
kind of lost sight of that for a little while
because it's like it it just doesn't feel like I'm
like I'm growing like I should, or the results aren't
like what I expected, or but it does take people
definitely should take a step back and go, man, you know,
if I would have I don't know, I know exactly

(02:10:51):
what you're saying, though, If that makes sense, that makes
perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (02:10:53):
That's a that's a clear illustration what I'm talking about, Like, yeah, yeah,
you just started taking for granted the fact that tens
of thousands of people listening to stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
I remember when I used to be like, oh shit,
someone listened to the podcast today. It was like, oh,
I got one download today. Sick, you know. Now you
know I'm getting downloads people are downloading every day. That's crazy.
I remember and my little one bedroom apartment up in Oceanside,
you know, like sitting there recording episodes and really hoping
people would listen to them. And now it's like I
could not put out an episode for a month and

(02:11:23):
I'll still get thousands of people listening to it. And
I've kind of lost sight of like you know what
I really, I don't know, it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
Like it seems just from like the some of the
like I said, my interests have kind of straight into
all this kind of like debate weirdness. But like kind
of watching some of these shows, these shows grow, I
think from what I've observed it it's a grind like
these are guys that I think the channels that grow,
they're putting out so much content. It's like they're like
streaming every day, you know. And I think I think

(02:11:56):
it takes like like there's something about like us as
consumers of shows, like we want we want it to
be like constant, Like if I like your show, I
want I want a new one every day. Yeah, And
I and like I feel that in myself too, Like,
I'm like, the shows that I find myself kind of
gravitating to and watching regularly are the ones that are

(02:12:17):
putting shit out all the time. Yeah, even if they're
even if I don't like it as much as one
that's like maybe once every week or something like that,
the guy that's doing it all the time, I'm looking,
I'm watching it, you know. So there's but I don't do.
I do not have an enemy to grind like that
with it, Like Cody and I are just basically yelling
into the void, totally understandable for the ship we say
at the time, I have no you know, but like,

(02:12:38):
dude to just what it would take and like how
much little bandwidth I have after working and kids and shit.
I respect people that uh well, I guess. I guess
if it was my only job, I'd be willing to
do it. But that's a risk to trying to Like, Okay,
I'm going to be a content.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55):
Creator, yeah, and I'll be you know, this is something
I was thinking about a guy I worked with yesterday
someone posted on Facebook that he was retiring from the Marines,
and I'm like, man, people I know, people I served
with are retiring like, was it a mistake for me
to get out? You know? I kind of questioned myself.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
Some time your contemporaries or yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
You know, I'm like, man, should I should I stayed in?
You know, because I did twelve years? I got out
of twelve years and everybody was like, you're fucking dumb.
You should do eight more years, and and I'm like, man,
you know, in the last five years, I've done four
deployments or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
Yeah, it was like, so what am I What's gonna
the next eight year is gonna gonna have in store
for me? And yeah, I guess that was part of
like what I was saying before about getting burned out
because I didn't feel like I was getting the results
that I was hoping for. Not that I expect to
like become rich or anything from the podcast, but I

(02:13:50):
mean I just wanted to. I don't know, I want
to be set up so that like if I if
I could have retired, I joined in two thousand and
six so I could retire, I could have retired next year.
I would like to be making more money from something
like this than I could be if I was retired.
If I'm making at least what I would have been
making from a retirement check. Then I'll be like it

(02:14:11):
was worth it, right because I'm doing what I want
and I didn't have to put in all that other bullshit.
I don't think I'm going to be making as much
as I would if I was retired, especially not maybe
maybe eventually, but not next year.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
Dude, you never know when this when this shit breaks
with these channels though, you know, and the other the
other thing about what you do, it's like, yeah, of
course it'd be nice to you know, make a bunch
of money doing it. But the other thing that you're
doing is you're putting on like a on the record
people's stories from you know, a piece of our country's
history and stuff. So like that's cool. So it's almost

(02:14:44):
like when a lot of times, like these authors will
write books and no one reads a book till like
fifteen years after the dead and then and then all
of a sudden, everyone in the world read the book
and it's like, now he's do Savski or something, right, Yeah,
And it's like you never know, Like it's even if
even if you don't make any money all sly at
it or something, you're still doing a thing that's useful.

Speaker 1 (02:15:03):
Yeah, that's that's in comparison.

Speaker 2 (02:15:05):
To just like us like babbling about like COVID or something.
You know, like you know, you're getting people on that
tell their story, and I think I think that if
if nothing else, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (02:15:17):
Yeah. That was why I started the show too, is
because I was like, you know what, man like being
in the fire support community and having been at Angelico,
being a jaytach and all that stuff, knowing pilots, knowing
other jay tacks. I was like, I just know so
many people that have done so many crazy things that
no one will ever know about. No one's going to
come and write a book about you know this captain
that was a pilot for this platform, or this like

(02:15:39):
sergeant that did three deployments as a jaytack, you know
when he was asked to go do it. No one
will ever know that, and including a lot of their
families will never know because they never talk about it
and stuff. And I think it's you know, I again,
I was on Reddit the other day and I someone
said something about they're like, hey, if someone mentions that
they're a veteran, or ask if you're a veteran, do
you talk about it, and all these people are like,

(02:16:01):
I never told anyone I know, and I'm like, and
my response was like, why you know, because One, a
couple things here, like one, the American public deserves to
know what their military is doing, and you should, as
a person that was in the military, be part of
the explanation of that. This is what I did, this
is what my job was, this is how it rolled. Two,

(02:16:21):
I think it's important for you know, you people complain
that civilians don't understand veterans or they don't they can't relate,
and it's and it's like, well, part of that is
because you're not telling them anything. If you refuse to
explain what it was like to be in the military,
how can they ever understand what it was like to
be in the military. So I think it's I think

(02:16:42):
it's kind of our you know, kind of a responsibility
for us to you know, maybe not share everything, but
at least tell people what it was like so they
have really understanding of where their tax money is going,
where their sons and daughters are being sent off to do,
and what they're going to go do and in these
kind of things. I think it's important. But anyways, yeah,
it's tough, man, it's a tough world out there for
us podcaster especially. I do all my stuff myself. I

(02:17:04):
don't use stream Yard, I don't use any of those
broadcast software, So all the edits are me. I take
my video, your video, my audio, your audio, and I
go through and when you see us cut scenes back
and forth, that's me chopping it fitting, you know, going
through manually. I don't use AI to go through and
slice it up or anything. I'm we'll we're at almost
two and a half hours. I'm gonna have at least

(02:17:26):
two and a half hours of editing because I'm gonna
rewatch this whole conversation and then cut it all up
into pieces and stuff. Where I don't do a good
job is probably, which is weird because I'm on social
media so much, is that I don't put enough clips
and stuff on social media.

Speaker 2 (02:17:39):
I have two almost two hundred view.

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
Yeah, I have almost two hundred and thirty episodes, and
I put some clips up, but I don't. I don't
think I put enough up, and I think I would
probably get more traction if I did, but I think
I just don't have time.

Speaker 2 (02:17:52):
I think clips I cause I like I'm just based
on like what I find myself responding to, Like I'm
susceptible to clips that'll get me to A good clip
will get me to like, oh let me let me
check that guy's channel out for sure, and honestly clips
with the AI text, you know, yeah, because a lot
of times, like it's appropriate, it's an okay time to

(02:18:14):
be looking at your phone, but it's not an okay
time to be hearing it. So it's cool to be
able to read what people are saying.

Speaker 1 (02:18:20):
I do like that too. Yeah, I do that a lot.
I listened. I hate it when I actually kind of
hate it when they don't have the.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
Captains spoiled it. Now I want to read it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:30):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (02:18:32):
It's there's easy aiyes to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:34):
So I know I need to get more into it.
I need to. I'm trying. So my I guess my
backing up to what I was talking about before is like,
so for like six months or so, it was kind
of burned out and almost not giving up on it,
but just not caring anymore. Not you know, I had
other priorities. I had to make money to survive. I'm
in southern California in San Diego. It's like the most
expensive city in the country, and like, the podcast makes

(02:18:55):
a little bit of money, but not enough money to
live in San Diego. So I really had to like
pivot and start focusing on doing digital marketing work, search
engine optimization, Google ads and stuff for companies and things
like that. And it was it's hard to justify doing
the podcast when it takes up so much time, but
there's so much material return on it. Like you said, yeah,

(02:19:17):
you know ten, fifteen, twenty, maybe even one hundred years
from now, how valuable are these interviews going to be?
You know, for someone to be able to some guy's
great grandkid can pull up an interview that his great
grandfather is talking about what he did in Afghanistan or
something like that. You know, how valuable is that?

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
So? I don't know, it's just I think it's weird.

Speaker 1 (02:19:40):
Yeah, dude, what else do you wanna? You want to
cover anything else? I mean, we've we've talked about a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
I think, so, man, we got we covered a lot
real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:19:48):
What do you think about the did you see that
photo of the UH the Chinese boats for the UH
invasions where they have those like they're almost like peers.

Speaker 2 (02:19:58):
Yeah, So I saw them, and I'm interested in that
kind of stuff obviously, And so I asked Groc because
I saw it on Twitter. And if you type, you know,
if people know this, if you see something on there,
you can go at rock and then ask their AI
any question about it, like is this real? You know,
does that person really do that that? That person just

(02:20:18):
made a claim about Hitler? Is that accurate? And then
Groc and short order will give you its best answer,
pretty useful. So I saw that picture and I'm like, man,
is that real? So I asked at Groc, and at
Groc told me that while it's not one hundred percent
sure that it's AI, it can't find any other evidence
anywhere on the Internet that a ship like that has
ever been produced or exists, and it's and it's reasonably

(02:20:42):
sure it's not real.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
I just saw another image actually, oh, sent do you
know that page O st Defender I think is what
it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they just released another image
of that of that. Okay, well, and I think I
saw something. I think I saw something too that said
that the US used to have something similar to that,
not to that extent for those that don't know we're
talking about. It looks like a boat pulled up, and
what it does it drops like eight pylons from the

(02:21:05):
ship and it raises the ship out of the water
to stabilize it. And they basically make like a bridge.
It's like two or three ships connected by bridges so
that they can run equipment onto the beach pretty quickly.
To me, that looks like something that you would do
after you've already established a beachhead and you've already kind
of got a foot you know, you're already you're already
there a little bit. That's not gonna be your first wave.

Speaker 2 (02:21:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
But the other thing China's got is they you know,
they have the ability to like nationalize their entire maritime
civilian maritime fleet. So they have a bunch of roll on,
roll off ferries that are used for you know, civilian
commercial uses that on no notice are instantly turned into
military transport. Well, yeah, they're Their fishing fleet is massive, ye,

(02:21:51):
fishing fleet is this, Yeah, and it's militarized. It's like
one of those things where like you said, they can
they can call those dudes up and those dudes just
circle the earth fucking scrape in the ocean for all
those they produce the fishing ships to certain military specs
and have like certain commedyre on them and stuff that
are that make them, you know, for that purpose. So
this is one of the nice benefits of having like

(02:22:11):
a communist government, is like you can just tell people
what to do.

Speaker 1 (02:22:14):
Well, yeah, I mean, it's much easier for them to plan.
When you're like, hey, we have you know, Jijinping is
going to be a dictator and he's going to be
here for the next twenty years. It's much easier to
make a plan for the next twenty years, whereas in
our system we can only plan for the next four
because now if a Democrat comes in, they can completely
reverse everything that Trump does and then you know, I
think Trump actually the other day they were talking about

(02:22:37):
how how it's a national security issue that we don't
have the shipbuilding of capabilities like we used to do,
and they're really pushing that to increase our coverage, and
like that's why.

Speaker 2 (02:22:50):
That's what I like. That's the industry I work in now,
basically going out to these suppliers and manufacturing plants to
make certain parts and then trying to get them unstuck
figuring out what their issue is. The Navy has a
lot of money to throw at that, it's just the
problem is is like, like we already talked about it's
just tough to make this stuff. But they estimate that
China has two hundred x our shipbuilding capacity.

Speaker 1 (02:23:11):
Yeah, I saw something. It was like sixty percent of
shipbuilding capabilities in the world as Chinese, and then like
number two is like South Korea or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
The other issue is we're getting there, but we're slow
to adopt additive manufacturing. So now we have the ability
to basically three D print and alloys specialty medals now,
but so we're in this like very slow process where
they're like, you know, it's this company that makes valves
or something for a submarine wants to make it use
additive manufacturing, and it takes them like a year to

(02:23:40):
get approved from the Navy because it's a slow bureaucracy.
In China, they have huge hundred thousand square foot warehouses
that are additive manufacturing mills where there's just a sea
of machines printing in alloys twenty four hours a day, Yeah,
churning an amount. So China's ahead of us on additive.
We need to get caught up the call those.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
Dark factories or something like that where they're computing automated.

Speaker 2 (02:24:04):
Yeah, it's automated, so we got to get caught up.
But that's dude. There's like a lot of jobs. The
Navy puts a lot of money. There's a thing called
build Submarines dot comedy, like advertising the super Bowl and stuff.
But part of the problem is is like labor, they're
trying to invigorate the manufacturing base by like getting young
people interested in these trades like welding. You know, these

(02:24:26):
are good, like high paying jobs to do the kind
of welding and assembly and stuff that that it takes
to build these submarines at these shipyards. But there's only
certain plates. Like the shipyards are in several you know locations,
so it's like, you know, you got to move there
from wherever. But like if I was dude and I
haven't toured a lot of these plants. Now, the ship

(02:24:46):
is so cool, Like the machine, the CNC. I'd never
really been around CNC machines before. They're fucking I'm just
like fascinated by it. I think they're cool. Shit, Like
if i'd have seen that when I was a teenager,
you there was a good there's a good chance I
would have done that instead of going the marines, like
like like all the ship that's going on in there,
and you're building these cool submarines Like I I I'm

(02:25:07):
just impressed. I think it would be a great trajectory
for a young person that wanted to get into right
out of high school. They'll take a person. It takes
a while to get the training and all the shirts,
but like you come out of the other side of
that and you're building submarines for the Navy and like
good jobs, Like in short order, you're you're at like
a six figure job.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
Yeah. No, I know. One of my buddies from Anglico
has been on the show Andrew Tomorrow. His family has
a thread grinding business.

Speaker 2 (02:25:33):
And he yeah, don't where do they?

Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
Where are they at the Connecticut Connecticut? Yeah, okay, yeah,
uh yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 (02:25:43):
On the CNC Machines too, right yeah yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:25:47):
So it's and it's high. It's like you're talking about
there's very like it's very precise, like what they're doing. Yeah,
the tolerances are very precise. Uh, And it's it seems
like pretty cool job.

Speaker 2 (02:26:01):
I mean, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (02:26:03):
It's you know, everybody's got their own thing. That's I think.
I think the we're starting to reawaken from this like
facade that you have to go work in a cubicle
at some place, or you gotta go online or you know.
And I think it really started when Mike Rose started
that dirty Job saying like twelve years ago or whatever,
and he kind of was like, hey, look, nobody's doing

(02:26:24):
this job. Look how much fun they're having and they're
making money. You know, some jobs look better than others.

Speaker 2 (02:26:30):
Person, You're right, He's like the first person I can
think of that was like, hey, this shit's cool.

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
Yeah, Like, yeah, you don't have to That's what I
was telling my kid. I was like, you know, if
you start welding as an or excuse me, if you
start as a plumber as an apprentice when you're eighteen,
you're probably gonna be making you You're gonna have your
certifications and stuff by the time you're twenty two to
twenty three. All your friends that go to college are
also going to be graduating from college at twenty two
or twenty three, but they're gonna be in debt and

(02:26:57):
they're not gonna be making that much money, whereas you're
gonna be making sick figures and have no doubt.

Speaker 2 (02:27:01):
Plus plus, it's a it's a system, dude. Just and again,
I'm like so uh institutionalized from spending my life in
the military, but like, I like the idea of a system. Like, Okay,
you start out as an apprentice. You get your initial training,
you're an apprentice plumber, work for some plumbing company, build
up experience working under guys that have that have been
doing it for thirty years or whatever, learn the trade,

(02:27:23):
you know, develop clientele relationships with people in the area,
and then you know, at a certain point when you're ready,
take a little risk, start your own small plumbing operation.
And then if you're if you're industrious, you do a
good job for people. There's sky's the limit. Next thing,
you know, we got ten plumbing trucks, you know, and
you're thirty five year old and you're you know, you
got a million dollar a year plumbing business or something.

(02:27:43):
It's a long I meet like the HVACT dude, it's
fixed my in Wilmington. That fixed my air conditioning. I
like was curious, like got a similar story out of him.
He was like kind of a young dude, and he's like,
that's my business because one time it was him and
another time it was somebody else that came, but it
was but I found out it was his business, and
like you just had a good business like he was.
He was doing well, you know, And I'm like, that's cool.
That's I can't fix the HVAC myself. Got to call

(02:28:05):
this dude, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (02:28:06):
And those trades you can go anywhere. I was like,
you know, and I told him, I was like, if
you learn this, and you learned this here in California
and San Diego, if you decide, hey, San Diego cost
too much to live here, I want to move somewhere else.
There's plumbers everywhere. There may be some differences in some
of their local ordinances and how they use codes or
something exactly, but you will you understand the concept of
how to do it and how like you just have

(02:28:28):
to update yourself on like the codes, but that that
skill will will pay dividends throughout your life, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:28:35):
So I agree, man, that's I'm stroke for your kid.
That's cool that he he won't he found that on
his own, you know, not having to go to college first,
and you know.

Speaker 1 (02:28:45):
Well, I think he got real. I think he was
like me and his mom kept telling him like, you know, hey,
you're graduating in like six months, dude, real life's about
to happen. You know, you need to start thinking about
what you want to do. And he was kind of
looking at different options. He didn't sound like he really
wanted to go to school, like he didn't. He's kind
of over school so called is didn't seem like it

(02:29:05):
was in the cards for him. And I'm like, well,
there's a million other things you can do, you know,
And that's what I try to tell everybody, like you
know that that that job that you think of, or
even if it's something wild, but someone's doing it. Someone
has to do it, you know, Like, don't self select
and say, well, that'll never be me. I could never
be the person doing that. You know, that's self selecting,

(02:29:26):
Like why not? Why not me? You gotta have that
why not me kind of attitude.

Speaker 2 (02:29:30):
Yeah, yep, I agree, man, This has.

Speaker 1 (02:29:33):
Been a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:29:33):
Aaron once appreciate.

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
Give us a where can everybody find your stuff?

Speaker 2 (02:29:39):
Well, you can go to Stranger by the hour on Patreon.
Or you can just go on Spotify or iTunes. Will
be a little like a few episodes behind, but those
are always free there. Unfortunately, got kicked off YouTube, so
to get them hot off the press the day they
come out, you got to be on the Patreon, but
no need to do that. You can just go over
to iTunes or something.

Speaker 1 (02:29:58):
Got kicked off YouTube. Huh.

Speaker 2 (02:30:00):
Yeah. A long time ago during COVID, we were we
were we were talking like we didn't we hadn't figured
out like how to navigate there. If we had it
all to do over again, we could have very easily
talked about the things we want to talk about without
being so explicit. We just, I don't know, we just
didn't have it figured out.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
So are you guys on like rumble or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (02:30:18):
We we did a little bit like we have a channel,
but it doesn't it didn't get any tracks or anything.
I think maybe we ought to reinvigorate that we have
a clips channel on YouTube that they haven't like figured
out as us to kick us off yet. We I
usually just send people to the audio because we always
do a video one, but but sometimes we'll show clips
from the internet. But really it's just you could just
as easily listen to it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:38):
I think most people listen to them anyways.

Speaker 2 (02:30:39):
More than well, that's the thing anytime I forget to
put out the audio only version on Patreon, that people
complain because they want to just have the audio, not
the video down.

Speaker 1 (02:30:50):
So yeah, for sure. Well I really appreciate you coming on.
I know we talked about a bunch of different random things. Uh, everybody,
you can check out my stuff forma Action Guys former
Action News on on Instagram. Jay Chremographics is my website.
Hit me up and that's it. Man, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:31:06):
Thanks man,

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