500th Episode Roundtable! with Tim Binnal, Joshua Cutchin, Nathan Isaac and Dr. Future - Conspirinormal - Fringe Radio Network

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Speaker 4 (02:05):
Okay, well, I think I know how to still know
how to do this as far as I know. Welcome
back to Conspiramal everybody. It's been it's been a minute.
It's been several months since I've actually done a show.
Did a little short ten minute thing with her feel
about like a.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Few weeks ago, which we just posted.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I just posted up as I'm speaking on November the thirteenth.
But uh yeah, so I'm gonna be coming back here
with a few shows. And also realized that I've never
actually got around to ever doing actual episode five hundred
and in the past, as a few of these gentlemen
can attest, Usually when I hit an episode of the

(02:49):
Every one hundredth episode that I do, it's usually some
kind of big party.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
I know Josh was there, imagine it is here and
he was there for the two hundredth of.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Yeah, I was out of body for the two hundredth episode.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
You you were out of body for the two hundred episode.
I remember that because it was you and uh Randall
Carls and I.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Picked up I'd picked up a bottle of like limited
edition hell Boy like cinnamon, remember this whiskey? Yes, and
I just like finished the whole thing. It was a bad,
bad decision.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
That was That was in twenty eighteen. Wow.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
And uh, I think the three hundredth episode, the four
hundredth episode, we did do any kind of special parties.
The party became strange realities really.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
If you think about it.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
But they were bigger to do affairs. I think one
we did with just fans and then another one we
did with with four hundred episode four hundred we had,
we had a big show, but this one's going to
be just a lot more tamer. I just wanted to
keep it a little more low key and not as
much people. So there's people that I missed sorry, you know,

(03:56):
but this is uh. I picked some of the clos
people that that I that I know in this field.

Speaker 8 (04:04):
And did they ad they all turned me down.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, I mean I'll go down the roster man of
who we got here tonight. So I mean we got
Tim Banall, who's been a big supporter of both conspiratorbal
and Strange Realities. Congratulations, thank you, thank you, and for
I'm gonna be bringing in the show is coming back
when we started doing some more shows more picking up

(04:30):
in the new year, but stay tuned in December, I'll
be doing some more a couple of two or three
more episodes. And we have Nathan Isaac who is a
good friend but to go see him up in summer,
Second Tucky not that long ago, and Joshua Cutchen who
you just heard, who's been on the show several several times.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
All these guys have been on the show several several times.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
And of course last but not least was the first
ever guess I had l which was doctor Future is
here to hang out with us. So uh, guys, you know,
thank you for being a part of this. And also
if like you know, we we get to talking and

(05:17):
we needs to tap out or anything. I totally understand.
But yeah, so it's good to be here with you guys.
I don't think I could have picked a better crew, honestly, Well, thank.

Speaker 9 (05:29):
You very much again, congratulations on number five hundred. And
I know the conspirat normal fans are psyched to have
you back at them. They were very thrilled when you
were on the Matt Hopewell Show.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I know that was Yeah, I did that towards the
end of September, and I was I was very happy
to do it, and I hope I made hope it
made sense. But yeah, so I think, really, uh, I
think what's on every other by Nathan's request, I think

(06:02):
he really wants to hear about this bigfoot hunt.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
In the in the in the Georgia forest.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know, of course I will say that, you know,
we won't go into If you want more and more detail,
go listen to ban All's episode about this that he
just did not the long ago with him and Josh.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
But Josh, actually, how this, how did this whole thing start? Man?
You going out on a big foot hunt?

Speaker 6 (06:32):
I had been aware of Scott and Sheila Granger through
the expedition Bigfoot Museum up here in Georgia, and they
are people who have gotten a lot of good results
on their outings. Some of the footage that plays on
a loop in the museum is actually from Scott and Shila,

(06:53):
and I had the chance to meet Scott and Sheila
about a year in change ago when I went out
with a friend of mine, Brandon Thomas. That's sort of
a long story in and of itself, but we went
to one of Scott and Sheila's research sites and it
was a very quiet night for me with one exception.
And it was an exception that again felt like it
was sort of tailor made for Joshua Cutchen. We're out there,

(07:15):
we're sort of waiting for something Bigfoot esque all night.
Nothing happens, with the exception of the fact that, like
there maybe five of us sitting around a campfire. We're
all within sight, our cars are all around us. This
is mind you. This particular area was across about fifteen
minutes of driving over private land to get into the

(07:36):
back of some public land. Not another car around, right,
that's not even an option. And I'm sitting there and
I'm looking at some someone across the fire from me,
and I hear a car door slam. Everyone's accounted for,
no one's near their car doors at all. And I
look at her and I said, did you just hear
she goes a car door slam? And I'm like yeah,
and everybody else around us was like okay, so what

(07:57):
you know, Like no, you don't understand, like this is
its whole things is like a Ron Moorhead John Keel
sort of observation that people would hear card or slams
in areas of bigfoot activity in the middle of nowhere.
So anyway, I talked with Scott and Sheiela at the
time and they said, you know, you really should come
out and do one of these overnights with us. So
the gosh. About a year ago I contacted Steve Berg

(08:21):
and Tim Bannall and said, hey, guys, I want don't
want a Christmas present from you know, my family, I
don't want a Birthday present. I just want to go
out and do this with you guys. And so flash
forward to what two weeks ago or so right now,
and Tim and I made it down here. Steve was
unable to attend he had a work commitment pop at

(08:41):
the last minute, but it was an interesting weekend if
I don't know if you want to add anything before
we talk about what did er didn't happen?

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Tim?

Speaker 9 (08:50):
Oh God it was. I mean, yeah, it was an
unforgettable weekend. It was sort of a.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
H it was a trial.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
It was a trial.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
Yeah, it was a trial.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (09:01):
I mean I was saying to the guys before you
got back, before you got on the show, cut show,
we were waiting for everyonady to come on. It was like,
I still hurt, but yeah, like Cutch sent me an email,
Toutch sent me a text like I think like Monday
or Tuesday was like, I'm feeling nostalgic for the suffering
we went through, and I'm like, I haven't finished suffering yet,
so I can't feel nostalgic. I have like I don't

(09:24):
know if I got like bronchitess or what, but I've
just had like wicked bad chest congestion and coughing fits
and shit and just been felt like shit all week
and just uh And I mean we got back like
almost ten days ago now, so.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Yeah, if it makes you feel any better, I'm still
I'm still on the tail end of it myself. I
got the thing. I was still on the tail end
of Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
Yeah, it's like, what the hell were we thinking? It's
leaping in these tents and in this.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Well yeah, because the first night was one of the
more miserable experiences that I think I've had.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
You had like like twenty something degree weather, right, Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
Like twenty seven degrees and.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
We were just there's no heater or anything in the tent,
just tent camping.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yeah, yeah, we just yeah, it was brutal. It was
really brutal.

Speaker 9 (10:09):
But it was kind of like, you know, you do
look back on it now and be like, well, that
was that was an experience, you know, and I think
once I shake this cough, I'll feel better about.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Well, you know.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
And I was like, oh god, I honestly, Tim and
my relationship with Tim was kind of touching. Go there
for a minute. I feel like.

Speaker 9 (10:28):
We made it was certainly stressful. Yeah, I don't think
you can go through a weekend.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
A little bit. There were great people involved, though, you know,
Kelly Lachman and and Mike Lynch friends of ours. I'd
known Kelly before, but now you know, consider Mike as well,
and just it's a good group of people. Long story short,
second night there, I'm convinced now, and we can sort

(10:55):
of finesse the statement if you feel like it's too like,
if you feel like it's too bold. But if these
things exist, I'm pretty sure I've heard them now. That's
how I feel, as as a kid who's like grew
up scrutinizing BFRO recordings of purported bigfoot howls, like, I
heard things like that, and you know, to Scott and

(11:16):
Sheila's credit, that first night, you know, I was hearing things.
I just look at them, you know, was that was
that something? And they'd always be very quick to identify
what it was and wasn't you know, No, that's now
all No, that's a coyote. No, that's that's just a dog. Like,
don't that's a bear. That's a that's a group of
dogs cornering a bear. You know, we heard that too
the first night. But that second night there were some

(11:37):
things where I was like and they're like, yeah, that's
that's exactly what you think it is. And sure enough,
it did very much put me in the mindset of
you know, being what ten years old again and listening
to those old recordings like the Ohio how and stuff.
So I'm convinced that if I, if I, if these
things exist, I have heard them, or if you want
to refine that statement, I have heard the same things

(11:59):
that people miss I identify as big foot. Maybe that's
the way you want to phrase it, but either way,
like the phenomenon that people hear in the woods of howls,
I have heard that.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
So what exactly was it? Exactly was it that you heard?
Like what.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
And then the and then the coyotes get started, you
know after that? Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, And I would
say about six or seven different times we heard vocalizations.
It was pretty pretty active that night. There was an
odd cough that was unattributed to in the middle of
the woods that we heard on the way out. But
the really interesting thing that I think affected Tim Tim
the most was I had said earlier in the start

(12:41):
of the weekend, I'd said, you know, if we can
just get something thrown at me, I'll consider it a
win for the weekend, right, Like that was like my
low threshold for success. And I'd said that a lot,
and I'd like, I thought about it, prayed about it,
visualized it, and meditated on it. Whatever you want to say, right,
And then we got back to the campsite that night,
and I'm talking with Sheila and I hear something behind me,

(13:05):
and about four of us, including Tim, heard it. Yeah,
I heard it, she thought. Sheila thought it was my chair.
I would have described it as someone tossing like a
pine cone or a stick of the size of your thumb,
like underhanded from where the clearing was that landed on
the pine straw. I don't think it was something that
fell from a tree, because it was windy as hell

(13:26):
the night before and nothing fell the entire time, and
this fell between my chair and in our tent, right yeah.
And then Tim, well, Tim had a different sort of
sort of impression of it too, which is kind of
yeah itself.

Speaker 9 (13:38):
I thought it sounded more like a heavy slightly heavier
than a pine cone or a small stick.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
I thought it was more like well, I liken it.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
Ironically enough, I heard a similar kind of not these
sounds so like a rabbit's thump, and never.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
Heard a rabbit. They can make a really powerful loud thump.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
Because I could feel I felt like it was like
a weird There was sort of like a weird PLoP
kind of sound and then a thump like it felt
like something. I mean, yeah, yeah, and I think I've
said to touch. Like the most maddening part I suppose
about this is that like we didn't we weren't anticipating this,
We weren't listening ahead of time. It wasn't like when
we heard these howels and we were like, oh, let's

(14:17):
pay attention. So it was like you heard the sound,
you heard, you felt the thump, and that was it.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
And it was like, oh, you kind of have.

Speaker 9 (14:24):
To rely on your memory of what happened, you can't, like,
and I was like, I just hope this happened happens
again because I'll be expecting it. But it was like
a weird kind of PLoP. I almost imagined that the
PLoP part was like whatever it was manifesting into thin air,
and then the thump was it falling from the point
where it manifests. Like I'm imagining something heavy manifesting, dropping,

(14:47):
hitting the ground and then fucking disappearing.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
That's kind of like that's the impression too. That's the
weirdest part of it, Tim, is that you know, Kelly
had his little monocular with Fleer on it, and he
pops up and you know he looks no sign of
anything by the clear we could not. It's not we're
not talking about a massive like bit of ground here
between me and the tent. It's like what six feet
seven feet maybe, Yeah, we.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Easily would have found anything that, like someone would have.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Thrown just nothing there, just nothing there. But again, it's
so weird to me, you know, I was talking about
how the slamming car door seemed like it was tailor
made for me. This pop and PLoP or whatever you
want to call it happened behind the one person who
like wanted this more than anything else, and someone who
like has argued that Bigfoot behaves like a forest Poulter

(15:34):
guyst got like this weird a porty kind of pop
and PLoP behind them.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
Yeah, it definitely sounded a apport, like or how are
you saying? Yeah, but it was weird.

Speaker 9 (15:43):
It was definitely and I might get cynical and skeptical
as they come, but I was definitely like.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
It's like, what the fuck was that? That was weird?
And then it was like we couldn't put our finger
on what it was.

Speaker 9 (15:52):
So like I said, we looked like to see you know,
because like you never know, I mean, we were all
kind of not paying attention. Someone across the hampire very
easily could have tossed a row. We might have even
noticed it or whatever, so you know, someone could have
behind it back. That's that, but you got to always
kind of take into account every possibility.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
And it was like I can pretty much rule that out.
I think we would have noticed it and being we would.

Speaker 9 (16:18):
Have found something on the ground that would have accounted
for the thing, and there wasn't anything that.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
Could account for that weird, weird sound.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
And then like you could feel something hit the ground,
like you not like in a tremendous way, but you
can kind of feel it that that kind of like
when you hear something hit the graend kind of feel
that you can feel the sound, if that makes any sense,
where it's like, Okay, something solid just hit the ground.

Speaker 7 (16:40):
So it was really it was really weird. You know.

Speaker 9 (16:43):
It was kind of like I was hoping that that
was the start of more, but that was pretty much
it for us.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
I think, uh pretty.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Much died down after that. Nothing really moment. And this
this was on the second night, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
Yeah, So it was an experience.

Speaker 9 (17:01):
I mean it was it was the kind of thing
that like I I'd like to do the weekend again,
Like it would be kind of one of those things
after you've experienced it, you'd like to go back because
you're like, all right, all that shit.

Speaker 7 (17:11):
You were worried about, don't worry about.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
You know what to expect.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was just a bit yeah rough.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Well, and I will say that I had a very
interesting like gut check moment, because you know, for those
of us who were into these stories, you've heard a
thousand times stories about like somebody being in a tent
and hearing something walk up or like seeing the tent
move in, and like every damn time, it's like I
didn't want to unzip the tin because I was afraid
of what I was going to see, and like, sitting

(17:39):
in the light of day, you're like, you little wiener,
like come on, like why do you man up? You
know whatever. That night, I heard what I thought was
was footsteps in the campsite, and it turned out that
it was the last couple of embers in the fire
popping right. But there was there was a long stretch
where I was like, uh, this is a lot more intense.

(18:01):
This this simple act of opening the flap of the
tent is a lot more intense in the moment that
it is, you know, Monday morning quarterbacking it. So that
was sort of interesting to me and gave me some
perspective that I hadn't exactly had before. But overall, yeah,
I can. I feel like I can confidently say that
I'm Tim and I are now Class B bigfoot, uh

(18:23):
citing witnesses.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Yeah, there you go. I'll take it, but I won't
really uh.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
I won't advertise it, but I'll take it.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (18:32):
Yeah, not like I'm embarrassed, but it's like I want,
I want some real fucking ship.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
But but the thing is, like the things that we
would we experience, you can find reports on the BFR
BFR website that are actually a little bit less impressive
than that. Oh yeah absolutely, yeah, yeah, better classified as
Class B because you know, Class A is like I
actually saw the thing. Uh, Class B is all everything
else after that, and so I think that we would yeah,
fall into that category. So congrats to him.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Thank you, thank you. Well.

Speaker 9 (18:59):
I think I mentioned this on the show we did,
but I do think it certainly gave me a lot
of food for thought and was kind of like, Okay, look,
I I think if we did this again. I think
like I would be so much more gung ho about
just driving up and down the fucking road at like
one in the morning in that little you know, ten
miles stretch, just go like five miles an hour, so

(19:21):
the treacherous rope. But if you're going five miles an hour,
it's not too bad.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
But it's like.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
These were like barren, crazy ass dirt roads, and like
half the stories some of these folks told were like then
it ran across the road, So it's like, okay, maybe
instead of going out into the woods, we just do
like a fucking night patrol and go up and down
this road, but for like two hours, five hours and
just see what runs out into the fucking road and

(19:46):
have like a cam on there, you know, because I
just think that, like I think, once you start going
into the woods, whatever's in the woods is like, Okay,
there's a bunch of people coming in and we can
get the fuck out of here. But it's like if
you're driving up and down the road, you run the risk.
It's like the Bigfoot being like what the fuck's going
down the road, you know, and kind of maybe running
out into the road or whatever.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
If you're passing by.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
So that's uh, you know, it kind of gave me
ideas for afterwards where I'm like, okay, how about it.
How would we refine this in a way that would
actually make more sense but it might be more successful.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, and that's those are the sort of things that
we would probably plan our load in and load out
accordingly for like, oh, no, we will take a camp
site nearer to the entrance so that we can actually
get out and do that if we want to do
that sort.

Speaker 9 (20:30):
Of yeah, because I feel like, yeah, I really genuinely think.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
That would be because I mean I read all.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
These stories too on BFRO and shit, and it's like
so many times they're like the thing just ran across
the road. It's like, well, if you're driving up and
down the fucking road in the middle of the night,
in the middle of nowhere Georgia where they're.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Supposed to be, I feel like you're more likely to
run into it then.

Speaker 9 (20:53):
But I don't know, you know, who knows, you know,
or you'll see something fucking crazy weird.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
You know, they're like, why is there like a little
Dutch Dutch.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Boy yea in the morning.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
I mean, this was this is definitely the kind of place.
This is definitely the kind of place for like penny
Wise to pop out. It was like it was, Yeah,
it was an interesting stretch of stretch of woods. But yeah,
so things were learned. And you know, Tim keeps on
saying if, but I know that I am going back
in some capacity with or without Tim. So so anyway,
I'm looking forward to doing that.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Yeah, I expect that I would do it again.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Yeah, one more, one more try, one more try.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
Yeah, Yeah, that's certainly not this time of year. I
would have to be like where there almost no guaranty
that it would.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
Not drop below thirty degrees.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Honestly, though, like last Halloween. You know, I stayed here
before while y'all were having the Strange Realities pre party,
and I was in shorts and sweating my tail off
like it was it was it was unseasonably cold, uh
this this particular Halloween night, and uh, you know, I
will say though, you know, I have to really keep

(22:02):
on reiterating this. I've done enough boring ghost hunts where
like you're just staring at the wall for like four
hours where nothing happens, and like we heard, we heard things,
We got the PLoP like, that's more than you has
happened to me on a lot of things like this
that I've done. So I'm kind of I'm putting it
in the w column.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, you've got a lot of experiences this year. Right,
It wasn't this year when you had the the other
experience too, like the ghosts stuff, Right, the was that
at Waverley?

Speaker 10 (22:32):
Was that this year?

Speaker 6 (22:33):
No, the Waverley thing was like two thousand and eight.
Although although I will say that like I've been, I've
been like I actually took the time to consciously like
write down my past stuff and like I've been keeping
a log of it as I have new stuff and
I've been having some you know. It's it's so easy
to just be like, well, nothing ever happens to me,
but then you start looking at You're like, oh, no,

(22:54):
I've actually had some interesting stuff happened. Like I partnered
with a really good group of folks here in town
who have their head screwed on straight, who are who
do paranormal investigations, And I've caught some really interesting about
two e vps that I think are really quite compelling,
you know, which is not as experiential as i'd like,
but it's still interesting unless to go back and listen

(23:14):
to So it's it's it's it's getting better.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
You know.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
The funny thing is, though Nathan is and this is
like I feel like I've been doing it all wrong
because I've had it be a personal rule that when
I go out looking for any of this stuff, I'm
not wearing like a ghost T shirt or a big
Foot T shirt because that's too on the nose, right,
Like it doesn't happen to you if you're wearing that stuff. Motherfucker.
I was wearing two big Foot T shirts and a

(23:38):
big Foot hat when all this shit went down. So
it's like, Okay, well you were.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
There, Josh, you were primed, you were ready for the experience.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Well and you know, well, no, it's I think, like
I think I was getting in my own like way academic,
fart sniffy kind of way of like you know, that
wouldn't happen to somebody who's wearing this, But like I
con come to realize that, like you know, everybody else
around me is wearing Bigfoot shirts, and like if I
do that, if I wear that, I'm engaging in the
sort of like larpie cause play aspect that somebody like

(24:11):
George P. Hansen would say actually draws in you know
the phenomenon. So like, I think I've been shooting myself
in the foot by not leaning into that more so,
that's what I'm playing.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
There you go there, you go.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
See someone wearing a Bigfoot shirt. It's like these people
are down with me, right.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Bigfoot consents that someone is wearing a big shirt. That's
that's the thing. A show.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
I would have liked it cuts like a super hard
ass and like started going around the group, like.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
Get that fucking shirt off, Get that shirt off.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
You gonna see big with that shirt.

Speaker 9 (24:42):
One people's shirts off and ship and like they're.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Like, don't wear the band's shirt.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Of exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Sir has joined us. What's up.

Speaker 7 (24:59):
Guys, Seattle Zone.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Not technically, so I can't.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Just accept it.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
I'm out here in the burbs. I don't think well, Josh.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Also, I'll tell you, man, I've been I've been enjoying
fourth Wall phantoms most of the way through it.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
And we're gonna, we're gonna, I'm definitely gonna get you on.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Once I finish it, we'll we'll talk about it.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, it's.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
Appreciated I appreciate it. It's all a bit much. I
realized that, but just there's some stuff that I wanted
to go on paper, you know, so kind of a
home for for orphaned ideas. So I appreciate it. Man,
I'm looking forward to chatting.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
We'll get about it.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and we will. We will definitely talk
about it.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
How have you got a good reception from from the
book though, Like that would be the question I'll ask you. Yeah,
I mean about some of the ideas in it.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's there is a
certain contingent of people who read it and they're like, oh,
he didn't go deep enough into like Dary Dodd and
Borderard and it's like, for Pete's sake, like it's one
hundred and seventy six thousand words, Like I don't need
to delabor this anymore. Yeah, it's it's. It's it's not
it's not like a multi volume thing, but it's still

(26:19):
plenty big.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
But I I will say that there it's so weird
talking about stuff because I don't want to be too coy,
but uh, it's it's caught the attention of some people
where it's like Oh, well you want to you've read
this too. Awesome. So there's some stuff that's going to
happen next year that I'm really looking forward to sharing
and talking about.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
Let's put it that way.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
If if we're here next year, you know that's a question.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
If we're here next year always well, I mean that's
that's always the question, right. Uh, Nathan, I want to
get you in here, man, because you know I would
talk to you. Really, I haven't. You know, I haven't
done a show in a lot of time. I don't
think I talk to you on the show for a while.
Uh So what.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Person we've all hung out?

Speaker 5 (27:08):
I've seen him in September. Yeah, I want to talk.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
I want to talk a little bit about we should
talk a little bit about paramedia when we talk about
the arc and counter stuff in Kenham.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
But we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Say, if anything goes down next year, we can all
escape to the fucking arc.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
We can't.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Yeah, let's see if this floats.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
By way of Somerset, Kentucky. Man, let's get Nathan. Nathan.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
I'll tell you this man, Like I was trying to
think about the last time that I was there, which
was only about like a little over a month ago. Uh,
and I was there the previous month and I realized
I have been in Somerset, Kentucky like five times.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
I've gone to this little town. I never thought that.
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
I don't think I knew Somerset, Kentucky existed until I
saw Hellier season.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Now I've been there like five different times. It seems.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, it's a fun place, man.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
I will say. I will say as an interjection, Nathan
that through a series of tossing and turning in different
circumstances and the fact that I had to get back
here for a gig that day and I just couldn't
really sleep, I ended up leaving Summerset at like five am.
That's a weird place to leave at five am. Like,
it definitely has that like you know that those scenes

(28:29):
like when they're going to hobbs End and in the
Mouth of Madness, Like it definitely the space between Somerset
and the in the in the interstate when it's dark
outside feels like that. It's what. It's pretty pretty pretty eerie.

Speaker 9 (28:43):
Yeah, man, I'll be honest, the whole place kind of
gave me the HEVs.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
I was just kind of like really I think.

Speaker 9 (28:49):
I think also probably because it was like it was
Sunday afternoon and there was like had a little bit
of a ghost town kind of feel to it, and it.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Was just like there was really nothing open and we've
got this guy till his s all these like weird
stories about satanic cults and.

Speaker 9 (29:03):
Right, and it's like no one around, like barely a
car driving by or anything. And it's like, I don't know,
like they know that, like there are people watch. I
felt like we re watched almost a little bit.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
It was, yeah, gave me the creeps.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
But I should say I should say though too that
like Somerset it's interesting history at all, which you know
Nathan has talked about many many times, but like it
also was known for the generally jumping over the fountain.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
Well now its yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
That was momentous.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
That was awesome and I'm joking like it was.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Say something I want to like talk about that just
for a second because aspect you don't think about that
it's just.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
A normal small town with weird ship going on like that.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I want I want you to know that while that
was happening, it was on my birthday.

Speaker 10 (29:58):
Okay, Wow, it.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Happened on my birthday, but instead of going downtown to
watch the General Lea jump, I had a large group
of people for my birthday wish. I was like, my
wife's like, what do you want to do? And I
was like, well, I kind of want to have everybody
come over and make a crop circle and try.

Speaker 10 (30:15):
To summon a UFO.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Right.

Speaker 7 (30:17):
Wow. So nice.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
So we had a large group of people come and
we had cake and watch the General le jump over
the fountain downtown and then we went down into my
field and then made a big giant fucking crop circle
right and then and then set up a bunch of
lights that flash up at the sky wow and use
the app.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Well it's the perfect place to do it.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
I mean, you have this the perfect area, just like
I remember when Bruce and I went up with went
to your house and you were like, okay, which one
you drove? And I said, well it wasn't me. So
he drove like a like an he's got like SUV
type vehicle. You're like, so you might be able to
get up here, but we go up with this like long,
like a mile and a half long drive way with

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a creek running through it.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
They were my good lord, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Man, and that's your place at the end of this mile.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Right from the rest of the world up there, Broy
do you want to do you want to know something
really fucking crazy?

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
So, so where we are up here and Adams has
seen it, right, you can see for like twenty five
miles right, and it's like the edge of the knobs
that start the Appalachian Mountains, right, and so like in
front of us, you know, it kind of like rolls
down into western Kentucky. That's kind of flat, right, and
so like when you look off in the distance, and like, on,

(31:41):
whoever built this house?

Speaker 10 (31:43):
This is what's fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Who ever built this house built it so that on
the summer solstice, it's there's a slat in the center
of the back of the house and when the sun
sets on the summer solstice, it sets.

Speaker 10 (31:57):
On that slat.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Wow, So the house is built in this weird cardinal
direction thing, right. So, uh, there's a mountain in the distance,
and I'm and like you can see, especially when the
trees are off, I'm always.

Speaker 10 (32:12):
Like, what the fuck is that mountain?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And Dan Dutton, you know, comes over all the time
and he and he's like I don't know, man, I
don't know. So I finally figured out that it was
the tallest point in about one hundred miles, right, and
it's this it's it's called the Green River knob Okay
and you can see it from like every direction in

(32:36):
multiple counties right to where this thing is. So Darien
and uh Darian West, who helps me, you know, work
on some of this stuff. We were there are a
few different Abdena mounds, right, and I was showing you
guys that map right when you guys were here in
town and out in near the industrial park that's near
this house. Uh, there's an a Deana mound that was discovered, right,

(33:00):
And so we were looking for we were trying to
feed all of these light oar maps that were like
in the in the state of Kentucky. They used taxpayer
money to do light oar scans of everywhere and so
for free you can go online and you can see
these light our scans and I think they're six feet deep, right,

(33:24):
it goes six feet underneath the surface. And so when
you look at the Adena mounds that you that we
know of that are here in the county, they have
a really specific shape. And so we were like, what
if we feed all of these lightar squares into a
large language model and have it try to figure out
if there are other mounds that we don't know about, right,

(33:47):
and so so anyway, we were working on this and
Darien scrolled too far, just slightly outside the county, and
he found a fucking I could pull up here to it.
He found this crazy circle of mounds on the Green River, right,

(34:08):
and it's at the base of that mountain that I
can see, which is the and just below it isn't actual,
it's called the they were called the Green River people.
It's not the Adeena people. But it is an actual,
small ancient fort. And so we contacted the University of

(34:28):
Kentucky and sent them this. And it's on I think
a Mennonite farm in Casey, in Casey County that butts
up to this county. And the University of Kentucky had
not found this. It was an unlike marked, actual ancient
site that we've found on this light of our thing man.

(34:51):
And it's unmistakable too. It's in the back of a
fucking cowfield and you can see it so clearly while
we're talking. I'll find it and uh and pull it
up and show you guys. But anyway, it was super
fucking weird.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
So they have they have they had excavations out there
at the farm or do you.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Know, not yet?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And and but I want to go out there and talk.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
I'm sure the farmer is gonna love that.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right right, it's it's it's well, I'll
show you a minute. It's fucking freaky, man, It's it's
just like I can't believe it. And he was like, yeah, man,
I was just doing the scan and it went slightly
too far and it was this like auspicious moment and
he found this thing, just stumbled upon it, right.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
So yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's a weird place, man, This whole area is strange.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
So as I talk.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
About anything, you've been working on an app too, man,
can you tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Man, I put it's like all this stuff that we've
worked on and talked about and put a bunch of
random number generators into in large language models into an
app that allows you to do seances and you can
there's a like thirteen tools in it right now. I

(36:07):
think there's gonna be a total of about twenty. And yeah,
I mean, it's got UFO summoning tools and lots is
just really random stuff. There's talking boards, there's wigi boards,
there's a channeling tool. It uses bibliomancy, all of its
powered by randomness, and yeah, man, I mean it's it's
just builds on some of the theories that we've had

(36:28):
and that we've been working on that I think, honestly
ties you know, we talked about information theory a lot
and like cybernetics, but like, I really do believe that
there's there's there are information networks like in the landscape,
and like some of the phenomena that we are encountering,
including bigfoot or you know, all kinds of things are

(36:51):
because of these complex systems that sort of exist around
us in these burned in patterns, right, And whenever these
patterns show themselves there when when they express themselves, there's
a decrease in randomness in the local area, right. And
so the point of the app is to allow people

(37:14):
to basically feed information in gather information in randomness from
the local landscape and to you know, try to detect
high strangeness that way. I mean, there's a lot more
to it in terms of like complexity theory and like
this idea of emergence and self organized, self organizing systems.
So anyway, it's it's putting a random number generator in

(37:37):
people's pockets, and then, uh, we're trying to build a
map of randomness, you know, sort of across North America
so that we can see these patterns as they emerge.
You know, like when people have UFO sidings in an area,
is there a decrease of in randomness locally right, or
when people are encountering you.

Speaker 10 (37:55):
Know, bigfoot or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
So uh, that's that's sort of the idea. And plus
the other side of it is that we've taken all
these old cases, these old journals and basically had an
LOM trained on some of this stuff just in terms
of like creating summaries of all of these sightings and
then putting that into the brain of what we're calling ASHTAR,

(38:19):
and so you can do research with it and it references.
I think we're about one hundred and fifty thousand cases,
and we've been translating French cases, a bunch of cases
from different countries and looking for cross correlations, tagging cases,
just trying to run pattern analysis and so anyway that's

(38:41):
available for everybody to be able to query that. I've
used it a ton now in research because there's so
much that's sort of like frozen away in those old stories,
in those old journals, and.

Speaker 10 (38:55):
Now you can kind of like easily.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
A lot of these things are available on you know,
archive dot org and the Internet archive, but it's not
easy to search inside these things and sort of find
cases and find connections between things. I was recently I
used it because I this is on this is actually

(39:17):
on the app and you can look at it. But
I was looking at a case in Lexington that involved
a mystery boom in the nineteen fifties, and I was like, man, like,
you come across mystery boom stories all the time, and
so when you search mystery boom in this data set,
there's like thirteen hundred cases, a lot of mystery booms,

(39:41):
And I was like, well, a lot of these take
place in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, and so
my theory was I was like, is it possible that
the conspiracy theorists about these dumbs Like I really do
believe that there are some underground military bases just because
the military needs them.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
Right, right, it makes sense that there would be somehow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And you know, and China you know, actually does have
I think it's like three thousand kilometers of underground tunnels
and bases.

Speaker 9 (40:10):
Like that's confirmed, right, right, right, if we didn't have
a movie like Intelligence Negligence or something like what the
fuck why don't.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
You have on ground base?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, Russia's got them. And so now is there a
network of tunnels that connect the west coast to the
east coast? I don't think so, right, but definitely there
are some of these, you know, strategic bases, and we
know like Norad, the Greenbrier has the has the bunker
underneath it, right. But I was like, but what if
if we just for a second, we're like maybe the

(40:42):
phil Schneiders of the world, which you know, I think,
you know, Phil Schneider was full shit, right, But but
maybe there were tunnels being bored underneath the ground in
the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, and when people were
reporting the sounds of machinery underneath the ground and these
mystery booms, maybe they really were hearing these tunnels being created, right.

(41:06):
So I was like, so if I take and plot
all of these these in a geo code, all of
these cases that are in this ASHTAR system that we
put together and put them on a map, and then
pulled all of the alleged places where the dumbs are
located right where these deep underground military bases are, and

(41:29):
I do a line of best fit between all of them.

Speaker 10 (41:33):
Will they line up?

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Like?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Could you are the mystery booms lined up along where
the tunnels were made to connect all of these proposed
underground military basis, right? And so anyway, I did that
and plotted it on top of each other, and there's
a forty percent match, Like a forty percent correlation that

(41:56):
shows I mean you can pull this up on a
nons and it's like an exact, not exact, but forty
percent match.

Speaker 10 (42:04):
Of all of these places.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I mean it was kind of I couldn't believe
that it actually had that much correlation to it. So anyway,
that's what you been doing with that?

Speaker 6 (42:13):
That's more than what is that is that?

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Wait?

Speaker 6 (42:17):
Wait, I was about to show my own ignorance. I
was about to say that's more than random chance. But
wouldn't random chance be like fifty to fifty?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
No? I mean, this is a forty percent correlation is like, okay.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
Now this isn't this is pretty good?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, like I would. I was thinking in the stock market,
less than ten percent, you know what I mean, like
barely any real correlation. Honestly, the Mystery boom should be
a random splattering.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Right right, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
But instead it actually only tracks to where these bases are.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
That's interesting. And when's roll out for the app?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So right now it's in beta and some people that
want access can email me or you know, I've put
it out in the Patreon, right. I didn't want to
have too many people because I didn't know if we
could handle like the traffic, you know, honestly, you know,
And so we've slowly been adding people. But I'll send you,
guys all links to it and you can, yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Please do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
We're still working through the bugs and stuff too, you know.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I've got a zapper that people can report of bugs.
But January the first is really when we're gonna probably
roll it out fully, you know.

Speaker 10 (43:25):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
So, have you.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Guys watched a battle beneath the Earth?

Speaker 9 (43:31):
No?

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Is that not like the fourth planet of the Apes? No?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
No, that's good.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
Guess uh, it is not beneath.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
The Planet of the Apes. Yeah, no, that's like the
second one.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:41):
It's a nineteen sixty seven British sci fi thriller film.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
And it's about the Chinese boring underneath the Pacific Ocean
and attacking the United States by coming up and also
putting atomic bombs underneath all our major cities.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
Is based on the true.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, well I just looked up the plot.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
The poster says an incredible battle is raging right under
your feet, And it says scientist Arnold Kramer believes that
rogue elements of the communist Chinese army headed by fanatic
General Chanlu, are using advanced burrowing machines in an effort
to conquer the US by placing atomic bombs under major cities.

(44:24):
In the opening, Las Vegas police are called for a
report that doctor Kramer is prone on a sidewalk telling
people he hears movement underneath.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (44:35):
The bombs are in tunnels dug from China through the
Hawaiian Islands to the United States. In the expected war,
one hundred million people are forecast to die.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
How deep does a tunnel have to be located underneath
the Pacific Ocean?

Speaker 5 (44:52):
How exactly do you do well.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
You have to have like a chunnel, like a super
channel you go around the Marianna's trip.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
You can't build it straight.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
You can't be straight because then you'd have to go,
you know, deeper, so you'd have to mimic the curvature
of the earth as you you know, went around.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
What year was this show?

Speaker 8 (45:12):
Sixty seven? There's a movie featurely MGM. In the Expected War,
one hundred million people are forecast to die. Framer's committed
to an asylum, but when he's visited by the US
Navy commander, he tells him. What he tells him lines
up with observations that Shaw has made, so he gives
him released and produce enough evidence convinced the superiors the

(45:33):
story is true in order to lead troops underground to
defeat the Red Army and diffuse the bombs.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Nice.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
So I assume, now that's probably based on a true story.
From what you're hearing, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
The short story that predicted Titanic.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
And in fact, I assume this whole thing with Elon
Musk and the Boring Corporation that's a cover for and
this is really what they're trying to address because I
don't know if y all know this, but our governor
and and Adam can tell you more about this. He
cut a secret deal with Elon Musk to build one

(46:12):
of these underground tunnels from the remote Nashville Airport, which
is out closer to where Adam lives, straight to downtown.
And like nobody approved it or the governor, you know,
and there's there's things like eminent domain and land and
you know, underground rights and environmental states.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
None of that was done.

Speaker 8 (46:33):
And they just proved it and that the Tennessee government's
paying for it all and nobody knows what purpose. But
only Tesla vehicles can drive inside the tunnels.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Really, I've not heard this. I've not heard that. I've
not heard this part.

Speaker 9 (46:50):
Yeah yeah too, yeah, yeah, the future. Don't you hate
the downtown traffic? You'll, you'll, I mean, you can just rented.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
There's still no reason to go downtown. It's to me
anytime I have to go, it's like black Hawk down.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
I would rather drive through Mogadishu than to drive all
the barricades and the flaming things and the you know,
shoulder fired missiles coming at you.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
I'd soon stay out.

Speaker 9 (47:19):
Of it now they'd probably get caught, but wouldn't A
better way instead of going across the Pacific Ocean would
be go across that little they'd have the team with Russia,
or would be Russia that did it, going on a little.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Patch to Alaska the polar area.

Speaker 9 (47:32):
Yeah, you could do a little underground tunnel there and
then kind of go down.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
But everybody's looking for that though.

Speaker 9 (47:38):
I know, well, you have to start digging away on
the inside of Russia. You got to do it from
like the center of Russia all the way. I think
that'd be easier.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
But I guess if you were running Operation Overlord, you
would have invaded with the Allies at Calais instead of
Normandy where they had all of their forces.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
I would have had some alternative ideas. I can tell
you that much.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
Yeah, China, China's China out flank us. There's three dimensional chests.

Speaker 9 (48:03):
They're just gonna all last us like they've done everybody else.
That's all right, that's how it's gonna work.

Speaker 8 (48:08):
Well, we can't get past that great wall.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
Have you ever heard you heard about that giant damn
they have?

Speaker 9 (48:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen like this, Like there's this
almost nine to elevenything. I hope it doesn't happen, of course,
but it's like there's almost this like nine to elevenything
where people constantly talk about, like what would happen if
someone blew up the fucking damn And it's like, if
they blew up that damn, dude, it would be like
the greatest or the worst disaster ever, Like it would.

(48:38):
I've seen like these video things where it's like, yeah,
pretty much like a third of China would be completely
flooded within Like.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
I think it's like the three Gorgeous damn. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
it's like one of the biggest dams and it's on
the y the Yellow River.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
Yeah dude.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (48:56):
It has this almost Tower of Babbel thing to it
where it's like as soon as they built it, people
were like, well, that thing's gonna get destroyed someday and
shit's gonna go wrong, and it's like, yeah, if you
ever like look it up, there's all these.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Like like digital recreations of.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Lake Well bringing it back closer to home, closer to Somerset.
The Wolf Creek dam yeah a few years ago was
waste cracks in it and everything else coming And the
funny thing is the people from FEMA who were realizing
it was going to burst, and if it did, the

(49:32):
whole Cumberland River coming down through Tennessee, wrapping out through Nashville,
through land between the lakes down into Alabama, it would
inundate them in this wall of water that I think
Nashville would be up under like twenty five or thirty
feet of water.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
They said it was thirty feet. It would if that
had if that had broken there, it would have been
up to a third story building.

Speaker 8 (49:57):
And it was breaking and the people who were the
experts at FEMA were trying to warn everybody that lived
adjacent to the river, the communities, because they showed how
the water would come up many many many miles inland
on both sides of the river and inundate it, I

(50:18):
mean far away from the shore. And they were getting
blown off. People were ignoring it. The media would not
cover it, what was happening, And so what did they do?
They had to come on Future Quake And so FEMA
came on my show on Future Quake and said, this
is an imminent crisis, a mass casualty event will happen,

(50:41):
and it's not being addressed and nobody's fixing it. So
what happened after I had that show on? I went
to the FEMA website, the official government website, and all
the instructions on what people do was a link to
a future Quake episode.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Oh wow, that was the future.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Future is a public utility public he saves lives institution.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Soon he's in league with the deep set.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
And this is he's cooperating with FEB Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, who told you to out me? Is there any
is there anything for the widow son?

Speaker 9 (51:21):
You get like primo, you get like gold card status
at the camp where they round us up, they're like
they're like, wait a minute, doctor Future, Or you helped.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
Us out a few years back with that thing.

Speaker 9 (51:32):
You get the you get the extra comfy bunker you're
gonna be in. You're gonna be in the best, the
best holding cell we've got.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
You come on, I'll say, there are the guys there,
they are here. I'll give him the kiss on the cheek.
You'll know which one stim but when I kiss him
in the cheek.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
So I want I want to get to I want
to get to this.

Speaker 8 (51:53):
One other thing about Somerset. It all didn't mention the
thing that's the most distinguishing thing about Somerset from a
Kentucky boy, It's the home of the ninety five cent
steak dinner.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I personally experienced.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Do you know about this?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Is this somewhere?

Speaker 5 (52:13):
I still here, the home of the steak dinner.

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Full steak dinner with all the trimmings, salad, roll side,
ninety yeah, ninety five cents. I saw it on the sign.
We'd I'd just gone with somebody's tubing late and we
were yeah, where and yeah, right on the main drag,
you know the you know, you know, they have a
like a Vegas strip through Somerset, sil lit.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
What year was this?

Speaker 8 (52:42):
It was just like yesterday. It was like nineteen eighty
three something like that. It was like yesterday. But driving
down that strip, one of those things you put the
letters on the sign ninety five cent steak dinner. And
I finally convinced them that I saw it and got
them to turned the boat around we were hauling, and

(53:03):
sure enough.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
It's still there. Huh did you get the steak?

Speaker 5 (53:08):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Was it?

Speaker 9 (53:11):
Is?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
It?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
A good cut look into this to what happened?

Speaker 5 (53:17):
What what Shenanikins caused the closure of the ninety five
Steak Dinner Place.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
It was from the early eighties.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
That place.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Maybe Gaturma owned it. He probably owned the Steak Dinner Place.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Three dollars and fifteen cents now still fucking super cheap.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
That's all right, Gama Steakhouse.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Oh you can eat that. MS.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
If I don't know talk your future knows about Gaturbo,
I don't. I don't know if you if Alexander was
Alexander Gamin, Alexander gattermin mister X.

Speaker 8 (54:07):
Mister X is the name I use in restaurants when
they want me to leave a name for a table.
In case you dinna dash well, No, I people are
just intrigued when they call in table for two for
mister X, and I.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Want to see mister X.

Speaker 9 (54:24):
All right, jesus, no more than that, all right, But
I don't know if I want to try that or not.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Do you want to see this map really quick?

Speaker 9 (54:33):
Man?

Speaker 7 (54:34):
Yeah, let's see that map.

Speaker 10 (54:35):
I'll show you really quick.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Look.

Speaker 10 (54:40):
Oh wait, will you let me share?

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (54:45):
Okay, this is.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Like the Epstein files.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
Oh god, I hope not.

Speaker 10 (54:51):
Check this out. Okay, check this ship out? Do you
see this? Can you see it?

Speaker 5 (54:57):
We can see it. Yeah, we can see it all right, So.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
That's the This is the geographic distribution of all of
the mystery bones, right, and you can like click on
each one and like read the case.

Speaker 10 (55:11):
Right, but these are all these are all geotagged.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Now if you go to the dumb locations, right.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
I'm literally salivating at all the research opportunities here.

Speaker 10 (55:27):
Crazy, right.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
So then so then I geo coded all these supposed
you know, from conspiracy websites, these locations, right. Okay, so
this is the distribution of the dumbs proposed dums. Now,
this is the two of them over top of each other.

Speaker 10 (55:45):
Okay, look at that.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Okay, look at.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
How close it is. See, Yeah, this isn't with there
are more. This is without news. I could put more
newspaper stuff in, which I'm going to, but this is
a forty percent. So this is the statistical analysis of this.
And so sixty five booms are within fifty k twenty

(56:15):
five miles of supposed dums. Sixty five booms, one hundred
and seventeen of these booms are within fifty miles, and
then two hundred and seventeen are within one hundred miles.
And this I mean there's still even more than we
could put but it's a forty point one percent correlation

(56:35):
between these things.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Now through a missing four to one one in there,
and see what happens right.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
That's why I was like, there's all kinds of stuff
now and then the we could look at tectonic stuff.
There are definitely some things that it's like we need
to to make sure that these don't line up, which
is fault lines or other things too. But it's still
strange to map the basically the line of best fit
between all of these dumbs, the line of best fit

(57:00):
between all these mystery booms, and then to see that
there is really like a high a high level of
correlation between the Can you.

Speaker 8 (57:10):
Clarify one of them was the mystery booms? Layout was
the other one.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
The deep underground military basis? Yeah, okay, got it.

Speaker 11 (57:21):
Posed what's the what's the event that happened in now
Nashville or around Nashville there?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
And see there are three mystery boom cases in Somerset
that are not on here that I just have a
newspaper clippics right.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
Well south a little bit south Hopkinsville there.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Look, man, it goes right underneath.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
Right he's Nashville, right.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, maybe that's what we t into.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
That's that's Hoppville is is.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
The Kelly Greenman would have done that. Yeah, the biggest
correlations are really out here in the West. You know,
those are the highest ones in those line up really well.
So yeah, anyway, still something to think about. You know,
it's weird, but anyway that you can do all kinds
of truth play.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
With it, that's pretty rad.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Yeah, simp Yes to me.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I wanted to talk about a little bit about the
the Arc and Counter that we visited. Yeah, Josh and
I Tim back in September, and then last month you
ended up actually the consume he doesn't know ken Ham
is the founder of the Creation Museum. And then also

(58:51):
the Ark and Counter that we went to a couple
of months ago. And but you also had the opportunity
to go see ken Ham speak. Yes, I do, and
I think that was an interesting experience for you. And
uh kind of doctor feature here as well, because like
you know, this is kind of he's studied all this
kind of wacky stuff. But you know, for me, the

(59:13):
arc encounter was probably one of the craziest things that
I've ever been to. I Liken it to the time
Machine ride at the end of Videocracy. It was very,
very similar. But it's just such.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
A bizarre, bizarre place that get you guys thoughts on
on Well, just the the historical section with all like
the weird pictures and like, you know what I think, Nathan,
you said that like it looked like it was.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Out of a Dungeons of Dragons. So you've been there too,
You've been You've been over there.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Too, Nathan, So no, I've never been to it. Yeah,
just pictures you showed me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
I'm like, holy shit, Yes, yeah, it was very much
just like heavy metal, like you know album covers from
the eighties. I guess what it looked like, but it
was mostly it was mostly things about like dinosaurs and
humans living together. This is what they really were pushing,
was this idea that dinosaurs and humans were living together.
So there's a lot of displays of like you had

(01:00:21):
the animals that were like in the arc, but most
of them were probably dinosaurs.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
And then.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
You know these little dioramas of like people in the
antidiluvian world fighting like dinosaurs in in in like.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
Arenas, and just like credible incredible production value on all
this though, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes, I mean
it's it's I think I think it's well worth going
if you're into kitsch but in this but at the
same time you kind of have to be like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
A little leary of it. Just how much she's being
pushed down your throat when you're there.

Speaker 9 (01:01:04):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Because it definitely is from a certain point of worldview.
But tim.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Well as someone that's really not you know, that doesn't
really inhabit that kind of religious world and like you know,
doctor Future and I have definitely been exposed to a
lot of this stuff, like your thoughts on going to
see can Ham speak and the type of people that
were there, just you know what that was like for you,
Because I've definitely Doctor Future and I have definitely been

(01:01:35):
to these type of conferences. We know what this stuff
is like. Yeah, but it's for someone that is just
like completely just really not familiar probably with just how.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
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Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
Yeah, well at them, Yeah, Jesus Christ out sent me
up to get It's okay, get put.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
On the that's what we're but that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:04:35):
But yeah, it was cool. I mean, look, I what.

Speaker 9 (01:04:39):
Happened was we got back from Kentucky and uh, no
doubt through the Facebook like algorithms and shit, Facebook like
through right in my face that can Ham was coming
to my town for an event, which is really unusual
because my town doesn't really host a lot of like events,
even though we have like a really nice marry out here,
which actually I found out later that the that if

(01:05:00):
I probably went down to the Marriott like every Thursday,
I'd find that there's like a bunch of shit going
on that I don't even know about where it's like,
oh wow, the international assortment of I don't know, yarn
people are fucking here this weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:05:13):
Like I imagine there's all kinds of shit going on
that I don't even know they do at the hotel.

Speaker 9 (01:05:18):
But because it got thrown in my face, I'm like,
oh shit, cann And it was the same one month
to the day after we went to the ARC, So
I was like, well, you know, this is this is
a sign, right so that they wouldn't think so I think.
So I'm like, well, what the fuck I'll go. And
I mean I likened the ARC itself because like I was,

(01:05:39):
I remember there was some skepticism in the Paramania crowd
where it was like what the fuck, dude, because I
think the impression originally it was like that this is
gonna be like some really low rent thing when it
was actually like super high class, like you know, they
have probably like the people that they have like an
enormous staff. I mean they have like fuck concession stands

(01:06:02):
like and it was just like it was an amazing
you remember the I remember get the refilled drink. We
still have the refilled drink at home. But it was
like they know their audience. It's just like a lot
of older folks because there was a bathroom like every
fifty feet, which as an older man, I quite appreciate
it as well. Who is also trying to get the
most out of my refillable Doctor Pepper, there's the cup.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Yeah. So thanks to Josh, we were turned on to
the fact that if you bought one of these for
twenty dollars, you could get free constant refills the entire time. Yeah,
and only I could bring it back within a year. Yeah,
because I think they get rid of the old ones.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Yeah. And if you do the Crime September, if you
do the Creation Museum, you know, on the same trip,
it's it's it's a no brainer, yeh, because you can
fill it up there too.

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
So shit, yeah, yeah, we were all like, well we
were yeah, we were drinking a lot of doctor pepper
or whatever. Your drinking choice was no alcohol of course
at the ARC. But that's so I'm like, all right,
I'm gonna go to this thing. I likened it to
so sort of subscriptives, but I was like, as a
flat Earth fan, I was like, well, this is like

(01:07:12):
a flat Earth museum.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
It's very close.

Speaker 9 (01:07:14):
Although they disavowed the flatter theory at the ARC, which
is cool, I suppose.

Speaker 7 (01:07:20):
Yeah, I know, I was surprised, but I.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Think biblical cosmology kind of messed up, don't Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
I mean I think they were just like, this is
a bridge too far for us. I think.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
So.

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
But it's still sort of like an interesting sort of
worldview in most people's being an archaic sort of worldview
where it's like, okay, this is quaint and interesting, but
it doesn't work with what we know with science and shit.

Speaker 7 (01:07:44):
So it's like, oh, this is like flattery, but a
different version of it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
So I went to see ken Ham and then he
it was just an interesting crowd of people.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
I was joking with you ad him.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
I was really as sort of a spiritual free agent,
I was kind of hoping to be love bombed by
different different groups.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
No one loved bombed me. They were like, I don't
know what they were thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
And apostles there too.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
I know, I know, I'm surprised they did. Yeah, maybe
they thought I was too high level to be to
be like to be to be recruited. So but it
was just interesting. I mean, the people, you know, I don't.
I kind of struggled. I wonder, like how much they
put much thought into what the ken Ham was sort
of laid out his whole creation is theory, and I
was just like he just kind of blasts you with

(01:08:34):
one thing after the other, so you can't really take
time to kind of ponder what exactly he's arguing where
it's like he's arguing that the Earth is six thousand
years old, and it's like, I really wonder how many
people they are really sort of like sat for a
moment and kind of like absorbed all of what he
was saying, was like Okay, I'm down with this, or
if they were just like yeah, all right, well I

(01:08:55):
believe some of this, but I don't necessarily believe that part.

Speaker 7 (01:08:57):
Which is probably how it works. But I mean, it
was interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:09:01):
It was you know, they seem really blissed out, which
I kind of found I envied in a way.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
I'm like, these.

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
People are all fucking blissed out and here I am
like mister Cinical like watching them, like, oh wow, they're
all real fucking happy.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
Man, I don't know, they're really you know.

Speaker 9 (01:09:18):
So I thought that was kind of interesting, and it
was you know, it was it was cool.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
I really uh you know, no one was mean to me,
You're like threw me out or anything.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
And then but I was like, I had the feeling
that many of them were there because like they don't
know who the fuck ken Ham was. That was probably
the funniest part of it to me because we had
talked about ken Ham like that whole day, going to
the Ark and ken Ham this and ken Ham that
and ken Ham Kenham. So when I was like, ken
Ham's coming to my town, I'm like, I'm going to

(01:09:49):
see ken Ham. So like they asked who's been to
the Arc, and maybe like ten percent there was seven
hundred people there at this thing at the Marriott so
or as they like to say, the only seven hundred
Christians in Massachusetts, which everyone got a good laugh at.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
So I was okay, So, yeah, you know what's funny too, man,
is that there's like two camps on these like people
that believe that the Earth's six thousand years old. Yeah,
there's the camp that believes that the dinosaur bones were
all put there to deceive us.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah, if you believe in the dinosaur bones, then you're
allowing the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Devil usr right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
But the other camp isn't that the same.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Thing, like I thought? Yeah, yeah, but you know, basically
the same things as an agent for Satan's right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:44):
Interesting. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
But the other camp, though, is the Canham camp, and
they're like, no, no, no, they're real bones because they
were on the fucking arc, right right, yeah, you know yeah,
and so it's like there were dinosaurs, but they existed
alongside people in the last six thousand years.

Speaker 7 (01:11:01):
So interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
It's also weird that they don't believe in Atlantis, right,
I mean, like all of that believe guy showed me
look like they should have some fun.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:11:12):
That's that's when you believe that it goes further back,
you know, that civilization goes.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Oh yeah, yeah much less.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Well yeah yeah, I think they could almost like squeeze
Atlantis in there a little bit and be like, well
that was the anti Aluvian world. I mean you could,
they could for a hundred years we use that in there,
yeah or however long you know it was right.

Speaker 9 (01:11:38):
Yeah, So I was the only one who knew, like
there was maybe ten percent of us who actually knew
who Ken Haam like was or had any like appreciation
for him. That's probably the best way. I mean, I
can I regardless what this guy believes, I have a
lot of respect for a dude who can build a
fucking giant arc amusement park. Like that takes some real

(01:11:58):
that that guy has more ambition in his fucking pinky
than I do.

Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
Dude.

Speaker 9 (01:12:02):
I mean, I'm not building in a fucking amusement park.
So it was like he's like, he's like bawling world dude.
So I so when you can meet him between his
little things. So I finally I'm like, like, should I.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
Fucking go and meet Kenham? And then I'm like what
the fuck? He of course of course you should go
meet can Haam.

Speaker 9 (01:12:18):
So like I get in line and that's when I'm
like talking to these like blissed out people and I'm
like holy shit. So then I meet I get up
there to meet can Ham. He's like an eighty year
old dude, and he didn't know how. I don't have
the pictures here, but like the guy I gave the
camera to is just taking fucking picture picture picture, So
it's like a flip book of me talking to ken Ham,
and it's like all these pictures of me like fucking

(01:12:39):
violently waving my arms around explaining to him how I
fucking found him on Facebook. And he's got this look
on his face like like you see him like looking
at me and then then his eyes like look off
to the side like he's looking for fucking security or
some shit while I'm like waving my arms around and
shit talking to him. Yeah, cuts has hold on, yeah,

(01:13:01):
one one of the of this like maybe like twelve pictures.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
Yeah yeah, I'm just like talking.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:13:10):
And cat Han's like, yeah, cat Ham is like fucking
just sitting there like Charlie, still looking across the room like,
am I about to get a to you?

Speaker 7 (01:13:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:13:20):
He was. He was not pleased with me, and I am.
I'm like a Cat Hans superfan. So it was it
was yeah, it was a really it was. He looks
so he looks so on guard in that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Oh man, I wish he had an ARC encounter T
shirt on man.

Speaker 10 (01:13:37):
That would have been awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
Oh my god, that would have been so cool. That
would have been so cool. So yeah, I mean it
was a weird experience.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
It was interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:13:44):
It was a whole another like, you know, people who
believe in something I'd own, I mean necessarily, like I said,
I don't even know a lot of it felt like
people who were like part of their church was like, hey,
there's an event and you really should go, and they're like,
all right, I'll just go. And it's kind of like
that's what you do if you're in these churches, you
go to these events they have they hold. You don't

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fucking know what it is? Are you going to that thing?
I don't know what is it. It's a thing in Burlington, which,
right is that Marion Burlington. It's some guy he built
an ARC down and content. They don't know anything. We'll
just go and we'll see Sally there, We'll see Brian there,
and Ken you know, Jimmy's gonna be there and you know,
maybe we'll go out for dinner afterwards and whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:14:28):
That's I was like, this is their world. Like I'm
at home watching the football and there going to these
to these gatherings and sort of you know, in the
an interesting sort of that's their fellowship.

Speaker 7 (01:14:41):
I guess, so it was you know, it's a it's
a you know, it's an interesting thing. It just kind
of what's that?

Speaker 10 (01:14:49):
How much were the tickets to the ARC when you
guys went like.

Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
Arc was sixty.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (01:14:59):
It was worth it. I mean it it's like three
hours of entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
So ken Hamlett has some money though, right, I mean
this is yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:15:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:15:06):
This thing is like usually really eat Nathan. You should
really like take an afternoon and go on Saturday. You would,
I mean, it's not far from you, and I think
you would really be just to make because what I
thought was one of the coolest parts is like and
Cutch the kind of just like you get when you
get there, you buy your ticket.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
It is like wally World. It is like Disneyland.

Speaker 9 (01:15:25):
Like you park in this fucking giant parking lot, you
go to this little it's not a shack, it's like
a legit strip of fucking like thing a ticket booth,
and you buy your ticket and then you wait for
the bust.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
Can you like, look, you can't even you barely see
the Arc.

Speaker 9 (01:15:43):
You can see the Arc way off in the distance,
and it's like, that's how cool.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
Like you can't even get close to the Ark without
paying for a ticket the road right exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:15:53):
Then the bus comes and gets you, and then you
get close. It's like that's like the Jurassic Park thing
where it's like you're getting closer and closer and you're
kind of looking out the window and you're like, oh wow,
and then when they let you out, it's like wow,
it's really it's like it's just really masterful presentation.

Speaker 7 (01:16:09):
It's really awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Did they have any pictures of Jesus anywhere?

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
They barely mentioned Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
They mixed the Testament now.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
They barely mentioned him. I was like, what about the Boss?
What about the Boss? No one's mentioned the Boss here
at all, And it's just.

Speaker 7 (01:16:24):
Like, Noah, they don't.

Speaker 9 (01:16:25):
They're down with Jesus, but they he's a different part
of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I guess they got dinosaurs.

Speaker 10 (01:16:33):
Why wouldn't they have Jesus.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
I think I think Adam said like they had one
thing about someone on the Arc whose role was like
a carpenter, and it was like sort of like someone
else you've probably heard of, and it was like that
was like he only mentioned it was like a really
weird Yeah, you would think Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
They also had like the animatronics you had like Noah
his wife and you know, talking to you and all
these all this kind of ship like that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
Like there was a lot of I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Story behind it is like it got it was supposed
to be a big boon for whatever town that is
that it's in, and it did not do as well
as it was supposed to do and bringing people in.
And I think that that's also why it's so expensive,
is that it's been trying to rekeep their money that that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
Was lost from it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Yeah, but there were a lot of people there. I
mean I would say that there were a lot of
people there. This is like on a Friday. This is
like a Friday Friday, late morning, early afternoon. Yeah, Like
and there were a lot of people with school back
then too, school back then.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Yeah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
Didn't see a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:17:42):
I didn't see a lot of like school trips. This
was like older folks.

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
Yeah, this was it was people.

Speaker 14 (01:17:50):
But there's a lot of homeschool kids there, right, Christian schools, uh,
youth groups.

Speaker 8 (01:17:58):
It's sort of mandatory. You know, we used to go
to King's Island. That was the big thing when we
were in youth group in church, and now I guess
it's the Arc Museum.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:18:08):
I was just thinking of mister Ballard and the Mormons.
They have got to be very jealous with all this. Yeah,
doing this kind of thing is sort of their turf.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
They got a whole capital city, dude, they got a
whole state. Yeah, well that's true.

Speaker 7 (01:18:24):
Well they don't have an arg in their story, right,
so you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
I'm sure they got some weird shit, man.

Speaker 9 (01:18:30):
Yeah, but the ARC is something special, I will say,
just to pivot in a different sort of way. But
tying to this and connecting it to the Bigfoot thing
one of the things one of the more positive takeaways
I got from that experience. And we didn't bring this
up on an All American cotch, but I did mention
it to you, I think as we were leaving. But
it's like what was refreshing and the same way with

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my visit to the thing with Canaan.

Speaker 7 (01:18:54):
The people on the big Foot unt were all from.

Speaker 9 (01:18:57):
All over the place of different like political persuasions and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
But it never came up and we all got along well, and.

Speaker 9 (01:19:05):
It was like, you know, at the end of the day,
people can disagree about stuff, but like on a fundamental level,
we're all people and and we're putting a situation together,
we generally just get along and no one's like, you know,
we're just people and we all can kind of get along.
So I thought that was, you know, because because like, look,

(01:19:27):
a bleeding heart liberal from just outside Boston going down
to Georgia with a lot of folks who were kind
of like good old boy type folks.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
You know, I'm like, oh, geez, they're gonna But it
was like, no, none of that. We all got along great.
There wasn't any like, there wasn't any political talking.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
You may remember a mythical time called the nineties when
that was like the way things used to.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
Be, right exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
Yeah, I think for the most part, people generally don't
or sorry to just kind of and not get into
it anymore. Like I've noticed that, yeah, people more and more,
you know, I think just there's just there's just a
general exhaustion of just like having to figure out where

(01:20:13):
somebody stands. Yeah, but Mike, I actually wanted to ask
you you know like what we're hearing. You know, Tim's
experience and our experience with this, like you know, because
you understand that culture pretty well.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
I just wanted to if you had any insight into
all that. Well, I'm a creation museum in the arc
and all that.

Speaker 8 (01:20:32):
Yeah, I was gonna ask Tim. I've probably asked you
this several times before about your flat Earth interest. Have
you studied Zion, Illinois a lot?

Speaker 9 (01:20:42):
Yeah, yeah, I have a I haven't studied like a lot,
but I know of it and it's history and how it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:49):
You know, I don't know. If you want to tell
the story, I can, well you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Better than me.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
But I mean flat Earth was sort of an essential
belief Yeah yeah. It was a theocratic city of like
twenty five thousand people, all everything owned by one man.

Speaker 7 (01:21:04):
Yeah yeah, and in fact.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Founded his own bank that they had to put their
money in his bank and has been described as a racket.
But he was one of the real founders of the
Pentecostal movement, which is how I found out about this
studying sort of the bizarre history of how the Azuza
Street Revival and the modern Pentecostal which is, by the way,

(01:21:26):
the largest Christian movement in the world today. It's morphing
regular Evangelicalism or Catholics or other aspects of it that
is bigger than any of these other Christian variants, and
so it's worthy of paying attention to. But it was

(01:21:46):
born out of a bizarre cult that had a big
influence out of Maine called Shiloh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
That the key.

Speaker 8 (01:21:54):
People when they made their ideas known over in La
at Zuza Street, were influenced by this cult. But the
guy who helped with that ran a foul of the
gentleman who was running Zion and they were having competing
tent revivals up there, and that town wasn't big enough

(01:22:17):
for both of them. So they took this gentleman, who
again was one of the founding fathers of Pentecostalism, and
basically rooked up this fake story that some young well
I assume it's fake. I don't know that there was
some younger man who was his assistant going around on
doing these revivals and they had something else going on

(01:22:37):
and ruined his ministry in Houston. And you look at
the early days, it's like the early days of the mob.
Who was going to run the racket and Zion was
a racket, a financial rocket, and so I just found
it very very interesting that this is, you know, the

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people in the last twenty years, not currently, but before
that had much more influence in that that I was
learning more about how central it was to their religious
experience and they had no idea the racketeers that had
set all this stuff up in the twenties and the biggest,
most influential religious movement of the twentieth and twenty first

(01:23:20):
century in America and the world.

Speaker 9 (01:23:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't I can't speak too
much to what you're to say, but I know Zion,
the guy who ran it. Yeah, he ran it with
like an iron fist, and it was like flat Earth
was part of the theocratic belief system that was taught
in the schools and adhered to by the community and everything.
And he was like popular, like you know that like

(01:23:44):
cliche of like the old timey preacher on the on
the AM radio station that like, like he was one
of those first people that like was broadcasting his sermons.
He's mixed up in the Scopes trial, I guess. Also,
so he was quite.

Speaker 8 (01:23:58):
A character, and he actually thought he was like something
like a reincarnation of Elijah, and he would dress up
like one of the Old Testament priests on the temple grounds.
If you look up his Wikipedia Dowie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I think is his last name.

Speaker 8 (01:24:13):
You'll see you in this turban and get up where
you know he looks this way. It's funny you mentioned
the Scopes trial from here in Tennessee, because you know,
William Jennings Bryan gets a really.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Bad rap for being you know, he.

Speaker 8 (01:24:29):
Was defending the fundamentalists, you know, against Charles Darrow and this.
There were shisters on all front. I'll just say it
this way, including the guys who decided to have this
court case that had their own agenda, and everybody was
there to make money, even the press. Everybody had some

(01:24:49):
racket going on. But William Jennings Brian, when he was
pressed on the stand, for all of his reputation of
being this hardcore fundamentalist.

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
He denied.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
That there was not an Old Earth.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
When Darryl thought he had him like, oh, oh, you're
you're going to say like nothing existed here, you know,
unless for six thousand years, he says, no, no, no, no,
no no. I believe there's an old Earth in others
and the fossil wreckers and stuff prove it. He said,
he just didn't believe that. Adam from Adam forward was like,
you know that the generations were literal, and you could

(01:25:26):
debate that. But when I have looked a little bit
into the teachings, like from the Schofield reference, Bible and others,
they really embraced. The predominant teaching was the gap theory
that there was a preademic race between Genesis one one
and one two, and that a lot of what we

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see is what looks like cavemen and these distorted features.

Speaker 11 (01:25:52):
And other races in Europeans or other races than Europeans.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
Well it could be that, I mean, it makes great
fodder for that, doesn't it. But that all of that
was evidence of a pre existing race, and so they
didn't have to go against what the fossil record and
these other things had to show, and that was predominant.
But the whole six day creationism, I was shocked because

(01:26:19):
I was never told this, But it really didn't take
a footing because what they'll tell you in church is, well,
that's what the church has always believed. The churches always
believe that. And I found out there's some more stuff
that are a more fundamental basis that they say the
church always believed that they didn't and this is one
of them. What really made the sixth day creationism get

(01:26:41):
started was a book called The Genesis Flood. You're probably
aware of this, Tim eighteen sixty, but I believe Henry Morris,
and that really pretty much established what had been dismissed
as a belief even in religious or maybe like hyper
extremist fund except for that that did not believe in

(01:27:03):
a literal six day. But they sort of created it
from this.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
I think he was like a hydraulic engineer or something
like that. And that's why my teen sixties really late.
That's really I would have thought, yeah, yeah, four years
before I was born, right, And so I find that
interesting how we've had a reinvented past, ye, this reinvented

(01:27:28):
past to this this unbroken chain of belief of the
true true believers, you know, and how well they reinvented stuff.
You know, This I find consistent with the stuff that
was in my book about how we invented this thing
about America being a Christian nation and and you know,
George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge and

(01:27:50):
in God we trust and how all of that was
a Cold War construct literally in a matter of months.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
But let me get in here real quick. I think
Nathan has got to go.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
So Nathan, I want I want to thank you for
for being with us, man. And uh, also, what you
got coming up next to Penny Royal three?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Is there a man next year? Well, there's some uh
stuff with Steve Berg. We're releasing some things at the
beginning of the year and then uh, yeah, season three
Penny Royal.

Speaker 10 (01:28:19):
Will be out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Early next year, like in the spring. And yeah, we've
got some good stuff cooking. So I'm gonna send you
guys all links to the app too, so you can try.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:28:30):
And hey, Nathan, are you a naturally born Kentucky I am.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
I was born in eastern Kentucky and Sallyersville, Macgoffin County
like in the Okay, I was.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
I was born right off Preston Highway in Louisville, you know,
close to Ottoman Park and Camp Taylor, just inside the
Waters and Expressway. And I was hoping you and I
could correct these gentlemen that what we're experienced tonight is
episode five hundred. This is five hundred at least where

(01:29:06):
I come five hundred and Adam, and thanks for having
me on TV and thank.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
You, thank you for coming.

Speaker 10 (01:29:13):
I love you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
I love you. Thanks and love you too. Man.

Speaker 10 (01:29:17):
Yeah, I love all of you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
We love you man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
So anyway, I'll be talking to all of you, I'm
sure soon. So I'll see you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:29:25):
Have the holiday season.

Speaker 10 (01:29:27):
Yeah, happy holidays, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
All right, thanks for being part of.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Peace up.

Speaker 8 (01:29:33):
This place feels like the love boat you can be.

Speaker 9 (01:29:38):
You give me Adam's captain stubeing. Now, you said you
were born on the expressway. Were you born in the
back of a taxi gay or something?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
In the back seat of a greyhound bus.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
One of those sitcom episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Why they call man.

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
She's having she's having her baby. We needn't get in
the back of this mail truck.

Speaker 8 (01:29:58):
No, it was it was I was probab named after
the hospital was Saint Joseph's Hospital right by the University
of louisvill campus.

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
Actually, yeah, Joe's I grew up.

Speaker 8 (01:30:10):
I would have seen that ups truck or airplane that
crashed the other day from my house and I live
that close.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Yeah, that was that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Yeah, they took the tough ride doctor Future.

Speaker 9 (01:30:23):
Did they ever get to the bottom of that kid
that went missing around that area?

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
That's a crazy story.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I see him all the time. I see him out
all the time. I mean I could see the house.

Speaker 9 (01:30:38):
Yeah, reaches the worst witness ever.

Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
Yeah, he's just like, no, not him, his parents. That's
quite the mystery.

Speaker 8 (01:30:49):
Yeah, sorry it yeah, I mean, seventeen year old kid
after you know, a year and a half or more.
Very it is a bizarre I made. Even Dog the
bounty hunter was here, he couldn't solve it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Yeah, well, things got Things got crazy in your neighborhood
for for a good while, Like people were just always
like YouTubers are coming out there and just call.

Speaker 9 (01:31:18):
It. Got to be a huge thing in the true
crime community for like six months, and then it kind
of fizzled out because nothing ever came of it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
But like theories yeah yeah, yeah, out walking buster and
like they're just going by with their cameras by you
real slow, you know, going by. It pitted neighbors against
each other. One of the ex cop in our neighborhood
had to confront somebody that wouldn't go away.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
Oh and uh.

Speaker 8 (01:31:43):
They started accusing other neighbors of weird stuff and pitting
everybody against each other.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
It was, you know, it was something to observe because
you see this other stuff when it doesn't touch your community,
and you just say, oh gee whiz, that's interesting, and
you don't realize how a mystery like this could tear
apart a neighbors.

Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:32:04):
Less then you get like fucking yeah, you get like
those internet people and then they're like, well what about
just fucking they have these theories and shit, you don't
want to get roped into one of their theories though.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
It's one of the online sleuths, online detectives.

Speaker 7 (01:32:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, with all these theories and shit, they're
thickest fleas.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
I tell you what, You've not lived until you see
these people on YouTube and then you see your house
on their videos. You know, even if they're just driving back,
you know, to get to the other house and they're
pointing and trying to speculate who lives in there, and.

Speaker 7 (01:32:36):
Oh god, that's a weird experience.

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:32:42):
Hey, Mike, I wanted to ask you about since we
were speaking about theocracies. When you were working for Uncle Sam, did.

Speaker 14 (01:32:51):
You spend any time in Utah. Uh, well, you can
talk about my experiences. I had one one as a.

Speaker 8 (01:33:05):
Government employee scientists, and I think that was the F
sixteen place where they had F sixteen. But my bigger
experience was with my inventions. Right as I was leaving there,
I guess it was my last few months. I was

(01:33:27):
finishing my pH d. And I was trying to sell
one of my inventions, so I went to Saint George,
which right there in the south west corner where I
think that that radiation like killed a bunch of Hollywood
stars when they made that movie The Mongol, you know,
because of that radiation cloud that went through there.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's what did in.

Speaker 8 (01:33:51):
Don Wayne, Susan, Susan Hayward. I believe a whole bunch
of them all died, you know, around the same time
after they did that movie. But I had two different
experiences sort of around it. But the main one actually
three now that I think about it, sort of between

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Arizona in Utah, I worked at a rockets led track
to set up a test where a truck would be
propelled by rockets in the back and run into the
back of a police car with my invention on it
at eighty miles an hour to see if it made
the fuel tank erupt or if it solved the problem
was killing the cops, and had a lot riding on

(01:34:38):
that because they had an ink the deal to buy
my patents. It was depending upon what happened over a
few seconds, and I had no idea if it was
going to work or not, so I did some praying
during those seconds. When you see in the distance in
this desert, it's on a mesa. This be a good
reach track. You see in this truck, seventy four pickup
with rocket flames coming out of the back of it,

(01:35:00):
coming to the hurl out of this thing. I'm always
fascinated by what I call desert rats, you know, the
people that live out in the middle of nowhere. And
it was such a surreal trip driving past Grand Canyon
and all these other places where I had so much
on the line in a car with some other engineer
technicians who if this worked, we would suddenly be partners.

(01:35:21):
If not, we'd never see each other again. I also
got offered a job with a very interesting company. The
part of the company I would have been the actually
offered me a vice president position in this big publicly
traded company called Halotron, and Halatron was part of a

(01:35:43):
bigger company called American Pacific. And the weirdest thing was
this was when one of the times during the post
break and draw down of employees where they were constantly firing,
we had thirty five thousand civilian engineers at right pat
and when I came in at the peak, they kept
dwindling them down the whole time I was there. And

(01:36:05):
so in one of those things, I had to keep
an eye open for other jobs, and they knew I
was more of a wizard on making stuff, so they
were looking at me for being a VP for new
product development. And they were based out of Las Vegas.
And the weirdest thing about it is like a decade

(01:36:25):
prior to that, or more before I'd ever gotten through college.
I remember reading something in the newspaper about this massive
explosion that happened that blew through a lot of the
buildings in Las Vegas, and it was a company that
made rocket fuel. I think it was a monium perchlorate

(01:36:47):
rocket fuel that was hours away in the desert. And
what happened was a utility had some kind of gas
leak underneath this building and it caused a chain reaction,
and so I remember reading this in the newspaper where
these alarms went off and they had the speaker announcement

(01:37:09):
told all these hundreds and hundreds of workers run for
the desert, run as fast as you can.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
And they just immediately.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
Ran out the exits and ran in the desert, and
stuff started blowing up in buses and other big things
were blowing over their heads as they were running, and
it just leveled it. But like hours away, it blew
out the windows in the high rises in Las Vegas. Well,
it turns out this was the only company that made

(01:37:38):
rocket fuel for the government and it was a mission
critical substance. So the government said, you should have planned
for something because they were going to the company was
going to fold, but they had to have this rocket fuel,
and so there was sort of a datant. The government says,
you should have had other plan is to keep your

(01:38:00):
coming in case something like this happened. Company said, hey,
we had no idea to prepare for something like this,
and so they came up with this deal where the
government paid to rebuild the rocket fuel plant, but they
had to find another side business. And that's when this
whole Montreal Protocol, the ozone whole problem, global warming, and

(01:38:21):
they started making these new chemicals for firefighting, and they
bought some from a Swedish inventor that Jan Anderson. Then
I finally met one day, whose crowning achievement with his
millions was that he bought a firebird like smoking in
the bandit that I got to see as his reward.
But their test place was also up in the Saint

(01:38:44):
George area. I know, I'm not digressing here, but so
I got to go up there in Saint George and
look at this like one hundred foot wide fire pit
where they would set fires and firemen would right in
the middle of the burning fuel and like have a
hose and trying to push the fire away from surrounding

(01:39:06):
them because the fire would go all the way around
him and they're trying to move the hose around.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
These guys had that, I mean, they had big whunas
to do this. So I got to sort of get
familiar around there.

Speaker 8 (01:39:18):
This This company had a USFL football team, so they
had a booth, you know, the Las Vegas Gamblers or
whatever they were. But the entire family were all Mormon,
and I would have been the only non Mormon person
on the like the upper tier and non family even
though they were publicly traded.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
And so.

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
They offered me, you know, like a fifty percent raise
and all this other stuff, and I blinked and I
and I didn't take it. But it was an interesting experience.
And every time I get drug up to and I'll
tell you another story too, I guess I can tell this.
This is something I probably would have had to have been
quiet about, but at this stage of things, I could

(01:40:06):
probably be a little bit more uh open.

Speaker 7 (01:40:12):
This was a different invention.

Speaker 8 (01:40:16):
This was Yeah, this was something I probably would have
got in trouble to talk about. And it's not government secret.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
It's a corporate thing. The uh one of my other
power technical what's that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
I was just saying, Adam was saying that we can
edit this out later if you.

Speaker 8 (01:40:38):
Okay, Well, this involved my other invention involved power technic
rocket motors to put out fires in buildings like computer
rooms or in aircraft engines or they're you know. I
developed a version that worked inside tanks to knock out
shape charges. When the shape charge will go through inside
of a tank and it would not you know, us

(01:41:00):
up the people or choked them to death, made pure nitrogen.
Well atk Thiacol, which is the main company that builds
the rocket motors for the Space Shuttle, you know those
great big ones that they used to lauge with. Well,
their solid propellants, which is what I was dealing with,

(01:41:20):
was what they're forte and I had talked to them
about this when I had been shopping and around different companies. Well,
they wanted to come on as a partner with this
Canadian company that I sold it to. And I got
stuck with this Canadian company. It's a long story, but
I was sort of threatened legally if I didn't, and

(01:41:41):
it was a real mess. I was stuck with this
one guy that was connected to the largest safety equipment
company in Canada. And so their test facility was also
in Utah. It was actually right on the Utah Idaho border,
so it's even remote for Utah STA and we had

(01:42:04):
to go out there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Any things that I did always take me out in.

Speaker 10 (01:42:06):
Middle of nowhere.

Speaker 8 (01:42:07):
So I go out to this place and I notice
that their test site has all like these small buildings
spaced far apart, and I asked them, why do you
all do that? You couldn't have a huge amount of
people working these and it's it's one of the biggest
defense contractors in the country. And they said, well, explosions
are pretty routine when you're in this work, and we

(01:42:31):
try to minimize the number of people who get killed.
When that does happen. It's sort of just an accepted
part of the of the business. Not much different than
like when the Chinese, you know, it'd have to use
the nitroglycerin, you know, to blow up and building the railroads,
you know, you just know you're going to lose a few. Well,

(01:42:53):
what they did was and again I've never told this
to any but maybe one or two people. They built
a building. So I went out there, and this was
a demo. They were rushing together demo because they wanted
to go fast track and get this on the market.
And they were a defense company. They weren't used to
commercial products. But it had a million and one uses.

(01:43:16):
And so I go out there to this bunker, out
of this test place and out away from it is
this just regular, you know, studded building with plywood and everything.
And they had this cylinder that I don't know, I
guess it would be a little more than eighteen inches
in diameter with steel that had to be at least

(01:43:40):
two and a half inches thick. And if you're not
used to dealing with construction materials, you can't understand the
strength and weight involving something that's steeled two and a
half inches solid in a cylinder. And it had all
these langes with bolts. The bolts were like over an

(01:44:01):
itche thick in diameter. This the threads and like twenty
of them. So this thing was designed to hold a
nuclear bob okay, And it's got these little four small
cartridges size of a maybe an oil filter, and they're
going to set a fire in the room, little pan fire.
Let it burn for let it get deep seated and

(01:44:22):
strong for about thirty seconds, and then start firing this off.
They had built bleachers outside of the bunker for all
of these top big wig CEOs from Washington, DC. They
flew in on their jet. These are all the top
brass and so they're all sitting on there wanting to
see this demo and how it's going to solve the
world's environmental problem. And fire trucks were there because you

(01:44:48):
have to have them, you know, and all this stuff.
But it's a big deal. Tons of people everywhere. So
they lead me one of the Canadian reps in the
bunker and they set up to te They start the fire,
let it go for thirty seconds, and then they start

(01:45:08):
the process of releasing time release this gas of these pyrotechnics,
and it's going fine for about twenty seconds, and then kaboom,
and the you know, the things shook, and then the
cameras went dead, and the back of the bunker was open,
and a fireman was standing in there and he looked

(01:45:29):
up and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Said, fire in the hole, and he jumped into the bunker. Meanwhile,
you're seeing massive pieces of things fall through the open door.
And once they you know, stuff quit falling.

Speaker 8 (01:45:46):
We went out and the building was not there anymore. Wow,
the building was completely going. All I could see were
like toothpicks, ass splinters. And this was just from some
little pyrotechnic cart which is they were like size of
a couple of oil filters. Well, we couldn't find like
this big steel apparatus that they had, and so they

(01:46:10):
had to go up on the mountains, far away in
the mountains, and they found the pieces up on the mountains.

Speaker 5 (01:46:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
And they brought it back.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
All the way out there. What do you what, blown
it all the way up there.

Speaker 8 (01:46:23):
It blown up on the mountains, and so like the
two and a half inch thick steel plates, it pedaled
it open just like it opened it up like a
flower on its way off into orbit. So that sort
of made a little bit of a damper on moving forward.
And what they found out later was they got in
such a hurry to impress their senior management that they

(01:46:44):
had rushed the internal structure material and it was too flimsy,
which they should have known better, and the little devices
touched each other and detonated. So I guess I was
glad at that point that I had already sold it
to this Canadian people. And uh, but you know what

(01:47:07):
those guys tried to design around my patents later at
that call. They I mean, they have like platoons and
platoons of patent engineers and just write on the stuff
I had written it myself. And so we caught them
years later trying to write around my patents to come
up with a knockoff, and thank goodness, the patent company
turned them all down. But they had not given up

(01:47:29):
on it. They just decided to do it secretly.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:47:33):
And that's also not the first time that's happened to me.
So that's a long story. But I just thought that
was sort of a cool story. And it turns out
it was built successfully. I was able to show that
it could stop it inside tanks, blowing up stuff in
aircraft engines and you know other things, and then the
stuff got shipped off to Latvia with the ex Prime

(01:47:55):
Minister of Lotvia one of the investors. And I don't
hear as much about it now, so but I'm sure
everybody can relate to that experience. I know we've all
been there with our.

Speaker 10 (01:48:07):
Experience.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Yeah, well, I think you probably, of any guests like Conspiratable,
you actually have a much more practical hands on.

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
With our experience with explosives. Yeah. Uh, in fire suppression.

Speaker 8 (01:48:23):
I'm just glad to be living here today. I always
let other people be in harms way.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
Thanks for that.

Speaker 11 (01:48:29):
Yeah, I was just I was just curious because I've
recently spent some time in Utah, and uh, yeah, it's
kind of the same trajectory. You know what people speculate
about all these places out there, skinwalk a ranch and
everything that it's weapons testing and it you know that
Mormon the base of everyone belonging to the same culture.

(01:48:53):
This kind of ethnic thing, I think is like the
first layer that makes it really easy to keep doing
a lot of secret ship up there that might be
harder than other places.

Speaker 8 (01:49:05):
I don't mean to be distracted. I'm going to show
you something since you brought this up. My Higher Power
took me to a new old bookstore in Hendersonville today.
And you know, they're normally not going to have anything.
It's mostly novels and stuff I'm expecting, but they had
a section on weird religious and like cult and occult stuff,

(01:49:28):
and so I'm going through the books and so.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
I wanted to show you, sir fi y'all. I did
get this book.

Speaker 8 (01:49:33):
It's called The Mormonizing of America, and that'll be part
of my other book writing that I'm doing because all
this thing with mister Ballard and Operation Underground Rescue and
how they co opted Evangelical Christianity who was still too
dumb to know when they were being played in an

(01:49:54):
operation to actually convert Evangelicals to become Mormons. That and
Beck was part of. Yeah, I'm interested in.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
That they have they have, they have their outreach. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:50:09):
Now, I had on another loved one who was out
there and actually went inside the Mormon Tabernacle for like
one of their little service things. And they shut the
door and locked them in. And they didn't find that
very pleasant at all. Uh, And they weren't expecting that.

Speaker 11 (01:50:26):
I went into the belt of the Beast a little
bit and walked around downtown Salt Lake. The temples under
construction right now, but I went, yeah, a lot of
other stuff, and uh made sure to tell all the
young missionaries that I was a descendant of the prophet's family.
And I got to see like a holograms of my

(01:50:47):
ancestors and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:50:50):
Strange, these were the pre conspira normal lights. Yes, yeah,
well they did you have the same mixed experience that
William Schnoblin had at the temple?

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
I don't. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Williams Schnoblin.

Speaker 8 (01:51:08):
Uh, he spoke at like the Ancient A Day's Conference
first when I was at two thousand and five. He's
supposed he and his wife were supposedly Mormon. Of course,
he was also a ex Wicca Satanist priest.

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
Uh. What else?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
What else? Was he Freemason?

Speaker 9 (01:51:32):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:51:32):
Well he went.

Speaker 8 (01:51:33):
Now, I just want to verify this because he went
to the Mormon Tarbernacle and when his wife told him
that he was part of like one of the original
families that moved, you know, with Brigham Young, I guess
he says, they were allowed into the basement of the
Mormon Tabernacle and they actually saw the reptilians that were

(01:51:55):
behind the whole movement.

Speaker 7 (01:51:57):
So did you see.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Any of that, did you? Insider?

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
No, there's just that.

Speaker 11 (01:52:03):
Uncanny valley with a lot of those folks put it
that way.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
So let's let's let's go ahead and wrap up because
Tim and Josh got to go, so we'll go ahead
and wrap up the weld, wrap up the show.

Speaker 12 (01:52:18):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
I want to thank you guys for being a part
of this, and just let me go down the line here, guys.

Speaker 8 (01:52:23):
Uh, I thought this was like another three hour episode.

Speaker 11 (01:52:28):
I'm gonna dip out him going, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:52:34):
I'm ready to fall asleep. I don't want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
I didn't need to jaw so much. I thought we
had three hours.

Speaker 9 (01:52:41):
I just sorry, all right, you didn't say anything for
the first thirty minutes, so I was like, ship doctor Future,
are they gonna let Doctor Future say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Well, thanks Jim, thanks for looking out for me.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
I had I had somebody get on to me on
the show once for not letting Doctor Future talk for
like the first like ten minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:52:59):
Well the rest of the.

Speaker 5 (01:53:06):
Boys jesus, but Tim, let's talk about what's next for you?

Speaker 6 (01:53:11):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
Uh, you've got the Revival going on right now.

Speaker 7 (01:53:15):
So yeah, when's this show coming out?

Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
This show probably in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:53:21):
All right, Well, around this time we'll have Rucks Giving,
which weird lead up as the one hundredth episode of
the Revival. We're not doing anything particularly special, it's just
weird timing of it. Then probably ride it out through
the holidays and maybe take like a month off in
January or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:53:38):
But I have no big I have nothing on the horizon.

Speaker 9 (01:53:43):
At all right now, which is kind of both nice
and also kind of like, oh shit, worries Hime in
a way. But it was like I had a big
chunk of time from my I guess you go all
the way back to the first pitch at the at
the Sea Dogs game in July, but really the road
trip to Getty's were with Matt Hopewell and late in
mid August or whatever. Up to our recent Bigfoot excursion

(01:54:05):
was like two and a half months of just a
whole bunch of crazy shit. So so I have nothing
on the agenda, but I'm sure i'll start filling in
twenty twenty six. Uh, you know now that I can
relax a little bit after all that stuff. So yeah,
but all of America, Yeah, you know where to find us,
and you know the articles over at coast to coast.

Speaker 7 (01:54:25):
AM. That's pretty much it, Ey, Tim.

Speaker 8 (01:54:28):
What do you think the big story is going to
be in twenty twenty six that you're most fascinated back?

Speaker 7 (01:54:33):
Oh? Boy, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard
to tell. I feel like UFOs, like the whole thing
is kind of fizzled out.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
So World War three, yeah, I mean I feel.

Speaker 9 (01:54:43):
Like, yeah, I feel like geopolitics and real real world
concerns are gonna the economy actually, quite frankly, the fucking
economy that I didn't want to be too dark, but
it was like probably a depression or something or some
kind of massive uh the AI bubble will burst or something,
and you know, we're just really ill prepared for that.

(01:55:03):
I feel like we're like like how how the pandemic
came and everybody was like, oh shit, I think I
think maybe something like that will happen.

Speaker 7 (01:55:10):
I hope not, but.

Speaker 6 (01:55:11):
It's like, eh, yeah, every every December when I listened
to like the year ahead estrological forecast, I always get
what I call the astrology flu. And this year I'm
having early onset astrology flu because it's just six has
been the year that everybody's been predicting that things really
hit the fan.

Speaker 9 (01:55:27):
So yeah, yeah, so it's hard for me to like
be like, oh, I think that you'll see I think
that as things get crazier, though, you'll see a turn
toward more like magic thinking and sort of like I
don't want to call it witchcraft, but like psychics and
sort of new agey kind of like I think people
will turn to that for kind of comfort and what

(01:55:48):
they think are answers. So that would be sort of
my my prediction on that kind of thing. Okay, who knows,
you know, you never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
And Josh for you, I am going to be in
three weeks from today heading over to Esslon with doctor
Kripel and Kevin Kann's. It's a real big bucket list
item for me. I have a couple of yeah, yeah,
I'm it's awesome. I kind of It's one of those
things where you like, I don't want to talk about

(01:56:17):
it or think about it until I'm there, you know,
because I keep on feeling like it's going to be
you know, something's going to happen between now and then.
But yeah, I'm really excited about that. There's a couple
of things that really excited about to events and stuff
for twenty twenty six. Those haven't been officially announced yet,
but I'm really excited about them. I should probably be

(01:56:38):
in the Midwest and New York and a couple other
places next year, if again, if everything goes according to plan,
like you know, five different book projects in the works,
and a documentary that might be happening sometime soon. So
just staying busy, trying to finish this year strong, picking

(01:57:00):
out my course with the California Institute of Integral Studies
and that's that's wrapping up, and then I've got, like
I said, escellon, So just going to finish this year
strong and then hopefully things will start being announced next
year so I can talk about them openly. But I'm
really excited about some of the stuff for next year.
If it happens, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:57:19):
Thank you appreciate it, sir, and uh doctor future Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Well, you know, to quote Matt Foley motivational speaker, not
Jack Squad. Well, I'll tell you a few.

Speaker 8 (01:57:38):
You know, I've sort of had a little tyranny of
the urgent and domestic things, the mundane that's taken the
overalling majority of my time. I have several book projects,
a few new ones going right now too, but they
just take me a long time because of the distractions.

(01:57:58):
But it's always my goal to make that more of
my main things to get these knocked out. You know,
I've got formatting, paperwork and stuff in front of me
right now, so I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Get serious about it.

Speaker 8 (01:58:10):
But I will give you an announcement about something to
maybe keep an eye on. I was approached by the
Atlanta Journal Constitution just recently to uh, they interviewed me
like I don't know, ninety minute to our podcast interview.
They are trying to solve who blew up the Georgia Gadstones.

Speaker 7 (01:58:29):
Yes, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Yeah, Well, they gave me a real shot in the
arm you know, because I'm always here and nobody noticed
other than my friends here.

Speaker 8 (01:58:42):
Yeah, nobody really knowses a lot of what I do.
And you know, it's like it's nobody. They told me,
and then they're real journalists. They said, we watched this
documentary and they said, this is some of the best
journalism we have ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Nice I said, this is drawer journalism, well deserved, and
it is amazing what you accomplished in solving this.

Speaker 8 (01:59:04):
And so they wanted a lot more detail. I had
a lot of some more things that I wasn't able
to sell to the editor to put into it, that
I was able to share in it. But they had
already been to Elberton and I haven't had a full
disclosure yet of what else they you know, they had
a lot more leverage to get peopled up lips right,

(01:59:27):
and I'm hoping they went to Iowa. They told me
they want to go there next. But they felt a
lot of pressure. They felt a lot of sort of
ominous pressure in different fronts. And what they're trying to
get to interesting. I find it very interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:59:45):
Are they doing a podcast or are they doing.

Speaker 5 (01:59:49):
They said the work.

Speaker 8 (01:59:49):
Out, They said, there will be an article two. But
now they emphasized the podcast over the article. The Atlanta
Journal Constitution, which is would be the de facto newspaper
of record for the South, has stopped paper printing. Oh wow,
they do not release newspapers anymore. They see the handwriting

(02:00:09):
on the wall, and so they're emphasizing. They said, this podcast, now,
it's not huge, but they said, even on our smaller stories,
it gets at least one hundred and seventy five thousand
plus listeners, and they said this will be a whole
lot more than that, so, you know, at least then
maybe we'll make all of us a little bit more known,
you know, in our circles. So that's supposed to not

(02:00:32):
go out until January. So I'm really excited to see
what they have found, if they've cracked any more nuts.
I mean, we got into weird mystical stuff. I was
been sharing with them about a cult called Onaxis that
had latched itself onto the guide stones. And I don't
know if you remember that mysterious letter that I found

(02:00:53):
in the construction documents about what appeared to be something
that was supposed to go on the time capsule, and
I got differing answers after they blew up. When I
called the guy Wayne Mullinex, who had dug the foundation
for it about he told me when I first called

(02:01:14):
him that they took out the time capsule and took
it to the Elberton Star newspaper, which is what that
letter says you're supposed to do, and then you're supposed
to contact the Atlanta Rosicrucian Society. So that was part
of the protocol. He was playing sort of KOI with them.
They explicitly put a newspaper article out saying, oh, there

(02:01:36):
was no time capsule. Yeah, nothing that was found, and
so I have no idea what to believe. And I
just told them, I said, you know, they'll try to
yank it your chain because they're just amused by this
and they like the power trip, and so I sort
of prepared the newspaper.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
But they got a lot more muscle to get to
the bottom of something. So I'm hoping they.

Speaker 8 (02:01:56):
Can add a whole lot more to what's going on
in Gluting. The guys connected in in Iowa, and it
would be great if they found more than two, but
that may be a bridge too far, you know. They
they only stay on stories only so long and I
have to move on, so cross my fingers. Other than that,
like I said, I'm working on some other book projects

(02:02:18):
and things like that, So I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (02:02:20):
I can't wait for that to drop. That's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:02:22):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that great.

Speaker 8 (02:02:24):
Well, now that the show's back up, Now, as soon
as that hits, I'll forward it, you know, hot off
the press to add them and he can dissipate that
to everybody to go catch at and we'll see what
see what they find.

Speaker 5 (02:02:42):
I'm glad to hear that. All right, Well, sure for you.
That's episode five the books.

Speaker 7 (02:02:48):
So congratulations boys.

Speaker 5 (02:02:52):
We will be uh after eight months, I finally got done.

Speaker 7 (02:02:56):
It's like a baby almost.

Speaker 4 (02:02:58):
Yeah, we'll we'll be returning with it. Other episodes I
want to get to, you know, probably i'd like to
get Robert Guffy back on the show. And then Mike
probably will will see you at the end of the
year next month, you know, for a usual show that
we used to do.

Speaker 8 (02:03:12):
And you know, I've been thinking the last few days
about this incredible accomplishment of five hundred shows, which is
an incredible accomplishment, and I was just thinking about for
all of your listeners out there, the thousands and thousands
of hours of wasted time they spent listening to this,
and they could have been doing something useful and I

(02:03:35):
think prove if they had applied it to something like
finding a cure for cancer, we would probably have a
cure today.

Speaker 7 (02:03:43):
Yeah. Yeah, but I.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
Don't take that in a bad way. I don't mean
that in a bad way. I just relected, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:03:54):
Most of those Doctor Future episodes, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:03:57):
Yeah, of zero redeeming value.

Speaker 4 (02:04:02):
All right, guys, thank you so much for joining us
and everybody out there in the audience stage.

Speaker 5 (02:04:07):
Chain for more, and we'll be back.

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}500th Episode Roundtable! with Tim Binnal, Joshua Cutchin, Nathan Isaac and Dr. Future - Conspirinormal