By Design or Organic? Profound Culture Change Accelerating with Dr. Drew - Sarah Westall

Dr Drew, coming-of-age icon for Generation X, joins the program to examine the profound cultural changes shaping our world. We discuss what these shifts mean for our future—and how they’re fundamentally impacting young people in ways that cannot be ignored. From the crushing economic conditions facing the younger generation to the unrealistic expectations society places on them, Dr. Drew breaks down the cultural and financial pressures fueling today’s mental health crisis. This is a powerful, insightful conversation you won’t want to miss.

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Episode Transcript

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You know, back when down MTV, the right was not
happy with me at all. I was advocating for a
morning after contraceptive. I was adding for the advocate for
the HPV vaccine. There was and what I was really
fighting at the time. What bothered me was not that
they were telling us how to live our lives on
the right, which they used to do, but that they
didn't understand science, and they were arguing from a place

(02:46):
of complete lack of understanding of the science. And that
used to bug me. Now we're in outer space with
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I have Doctor Drew coming on the program. Been wanting

(04:36):
to interview him for a while. He's one of those
people that many my age grew up, you know, coming
to age doctor on MTV talking with comedian Corolla about
all these topics.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
He was the serious one with this comedian. We're what
the heck? It was actually pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
He was bringing topics to young people that they really
needed to know about.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
But he was bucking the system back then. Back then
we think it's totally vanilla. Now. Back then it was
a big deal.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
So we're going to talk about how far the culture
has come and how I mean, we kind of laugh
about it because back then it was I mean that
you were saying you couldn't even get condoms over the counter.
I mean you had to go and get it behind
the counter. I mean that's how taboo these topics were.
Now it's gone over the edge of the other direction.

(05:26):
He's like, I swear, this wasn't what we were trying
to do.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
We were just trying to inform the.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Public, and that the whole thing is that there are
good people trying to do good things, and you go
bump from one extreme to the other and the people
that used to we're trying to just expose people to
normal things. Back then, we were considered, and he more
than me. I mean I wasn't public back then, but
we're considered like on the left, and then all of
a sudden, now we're far right. It is absurd how

(05:54):
far the culture has gone. But I wanted to also
talk to him about this, Uh, what's howpen to young
people and the collapse that's happening, you know, especially with
younger millennials who are not able to purchase a home,
especially millennials that are thirty year old and married with children.

(06:16):
Compared to four decades ago, it just went down like
a rock.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
As far as being able to purchase a home.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
And how that affects their psyche and what's going on,
what's going on in culture and why you know after
and he talks bluntly about what happened during.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
COVID, I do too.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I mean, you know, we all got to experience that.
I was in the front lines before pretty much everybody
just saying this is all BS and the thing is
it's all coming out that it was and people couldn't
see through it. It was I was horrified from the
beginning and early on, and there were doctors that were
speaking out and it was incredible how they were treated.

(07:01):
And we talk about that, and then we get into
other issues that are important right now. So I hope
you enjoy Actually I enjoyed this conversation because we weren't
afraid to go into places.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
And I'm never afraid to go into places, so it's
good to bring someone like him that isn't. That's refreshing. Okay,
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get into my really fantastic conversation with doctor Drew. Doctor Drew,

(09:12):
welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Pleasure to be here, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You are an interesting icon.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
I would say you're you when growing up you were
a pop icon and when you were on the first
time I remember seeing.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
You was on MTV. I think it was MTV, wasn't it,
where you had your show taught getting questions. You were
just different from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So we had been doing a radio show for many
years on this topic. So this is a long story here.
So I was a medical student and overnight a radio
station in Los Angeles became a number one station, which
is in the number one radio market in the country.

(09:57):
To have that happen overnight was just unheard of. Happened
to be like virtually across the street from where I lived,
and so people were starting to socialize with the disc
jockeys and the musicians over there. And one day they
called me and they go, you know, do you in
the radio station. I go, yeah, I'm listening now, and
this is well, they have the show. It's midnight to
three on Sunday night, midnight to three am, and they

(10:21):
ty calls and they answer questions. They want you to
come in. They want you to do a segment called
ask a Surgeon. It'll be really funny. Don't worry. I'm like,
what the why do what are you talking about? And
I eventually was persuaded to go up there and was
just I'll never forget that first night. I was just like,
oh my god, this is where young people are coming
to ask their most important health questions. And I just

(10:42):
kind of said, you know, can I keep coming back?
And I did it, and I kept coming back. That
first night, I had my textbooks with me. It was crazy.
I was so nervous. And I did it for ten
years for free, one night a week, most of the
time thinking I was doing community service, and it was
really what we were just starting to call AIDS. We
just stopped calling grids. That was a primary motivator, because

(11:06):
you know, we'd just been through the so called sexual
revolution perpetrated by adults, and they never contemplated, never that
adolescents would have any change in their behavior as a
result of what they had done. And of course I
was twenty four years old, and I knew what people
were up to, and I thought, they need to know
this simple first of all, but what is sexually transmitted diseases?

(11:28):
How to manage your reproductive health? What you know, what
motivates you in a relationship. All this stuff so easy
to understand. I just thought they need to understand this.
I got to keep coming back, and no one was
talking to them about AIDS. No one was crazy.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
It's amazing how far our culture has constance then.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right, so, and condoms were behind the counter with the
antihypertensive medication. You'd have to ask the pharmacist to bring
out a condom. Imagine you're seventeen. That's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Try to happen.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
And the term safe sex had not been caring yet.
We were talking about that before the termity of midcoin
for sure. And the other thing I want people to
know is we did not intend what has happened here.
We did not intend the present situation at all. I
tell people, I'm like a time traveler. I've come from
a separate era, a different time, and I've come forward

(12:24):
through time to give you some information. Please listen to me.
We did not intend this. This was not what we
were working on. We were working on just really really,
we were trying to dampen some of the sexual acting
out and the consequences from it, you know, the biological consequences.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Well, isn't a balanced conversation, right, I mean, any extreme
is a problem where you shut it off, where people
aren't able to learn about what the truth is. I mean,
it's just one extreme or the other. Isn't right now,
we're in a pretty extreme climate.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, and when it for sure in all respects when
it comes to sexuality though, this idea that everything has
to be sex positive or I don't want to hear
about it. It's like that's there medicine is. And really
at the base is how adultraated medicine has become. You know.
The fact is human behavior is quantum is complicated, that

(13:21):
there's good and bad to everything, and there's consequences we
need to talk about from certain choices, and there is
psychopathology and there is brain disease. Those things exist, and
you know, and that gets expressed through sexuality many times.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Wow, Well you were a pioneer in just going in
You were different.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's why I'm trying to say is that.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
You were, but you know, but then in a good way,
because you're you were always willing to just tackle the
what's happening when it really needs to be tackled. And
and so you were one of the doctors that are mainstream.
I mean, you're pretty in the middle, but yet are saying, hey,
wait a minute, there's something going on here now that's

(14:05):
not healthy either. And so now you're starting to you're
different in that way. You're saying, Okay, the world is
out of balance. They are really things that we.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Need to tackle, and I'm going to put myself forward
and doing that. That's what it seems like. What would
you say to that?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I have? So there's a lot in what you just said.
I generally, you know, I practiced medicine for years. I
practiced in multiple environments in the ICU and the hospital
and the outpatient medicine and then I was in the
psychiatric hospital for thirty five years doing various things, and
then find the addiction medicine for twenty years there, and
I've seen everything about the human experience and it has

(14:43):
informed me. I have opinions because of it, and I
kind of have really solid instincts that I can trust.
And when things seem out of ligne, I'm sort of
obliged to speak up about it, and I kind of
can't help but speak up about it. And I've made
a habit of go going into environments where I don't belong.
In other words, a you know, love line was me

(15:05):
with a comedian in rock radio stations or on MTV.
I don't belong there, but that's where the people were
needed the information.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
You were like bright light because you were different.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
But if I went if I went to a you know,
to a nursing home and gave a lecture, those aren't
the people that need the information. The people that needed
the information were listening to radio and watching MTV. So
I needed to put myself in there, no matter how
uncomfortable it might have become for me. Now, actually I
discovered that the more uncomfortable, the more the better my

(15:37):
messages were received, so I got used to sort of
speaking up and taking heat and being in environments that
were uncomfortable. But when the COVID thing hit, I knew
something was way out of line, and I got actually
a little too carried away with my anger at it
because I thought it was the press perpetrating the whole thing.

(15:59):
I never am adge, and that the government was involved
with it. That that does a bridge too far from
my imagination even you know, it's funny. I'm I'm gonna
do something this afternoon on one of the news networks,
and they want to talk about chick chicken junga, which is,
oh my god, Chicken young is coming, Chicken youngest. Twelve cases,
twelve cases, everybody mosquito borne illness? What are we doing?

(16:22):
What's happening here? Why do you? Why are we even?
Why are you freaking reporting on it? It's the doctors need
to read the data and consider it. When somebody comes
in with joint pain and a febril illness, that's it.
It's not it's very rare, very rare, should not be
in the news. But they can't resist this panic fear,
panic fear that they get eyes for that and then

(16:42):
the government gets control for that. And that's what I
was reacting to so powerfully in the early days of COVID.
I was like, panic never makes things better, fear never
makes things better. Calm down, we need leadership through these things.
And I the one thing I got wrong, and I
kept saying at the end of every comment I made
that was a little bit excessive. I was like, yeah,

(17:03):
you don't worry about don't worry, don't worry. I kept saying,
Let doctor Fauci be your north star. He helped me
through the AIDS pandemic. He was very he was a
very useful leader through that. And the CDC has always
been a great source of information throughout my career. So
listen to the guys of the CDC, listen to doctor Fauci.
They will get us through this. And that is what

(17:23):
I really got wrong. And the fact that that is true,
that they was so adult rated that we couldn't even
rely on the source, and that they considered themselves a
centralized authority to tell doctors what to do, that's disgusting.
They were always a source of information to help us
guide our decision making, but tell us what to do

(17:45):
when something is way way out of line when a
centralized authority is mandating physician practice.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, absolutely, that's it.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
But do you think that there's the cognitive dissonance, which
is what you brought up earlier, not you know, the
government being involved. I kind of compared it to people
not believing that your parents would not love you, you
know what I mean, Like you just can't accept that.
It's almost like people see the government as their parents.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yes, yes, And I really don't fully have my arms
around people that lean into totalitarian impulses, people like Gavin Newsom,
you know. And now his defense is, well, we didn't know,
And Corolla keeps saying, you know, my old radio partner
and partner in MTV, you brought that up. Corolla keeps going,
oh really, Gavin, you didn't know, so you close the beaches.

(18:36):
You don't know, so you shut everything down, so you
destroy businesses because you don't know. You when you don't know,
you become a totalitarian tyrant. That's that's not knowing, Come on, disgusting.
But what's even more mysterious to me is people that
want that and respond to it. That is so sort
of Unamerican. It's so bizarre to me. It's so contrary

(18:59):
to every instinct in my body that you would want
to have a centralized authority mandating your behavior in regards
to almost anything. And it went down under what we're
just doing. We care, We care so much. So first
of there's there's virtue signaling, whige, I'm better than you

(19:19):
because I care. I follow what the governor is doing,
wants us to do, because because what you want people
to die, that's you're bad. You want people to die.
I care, So I'm doing this for the good of
the whole. What they don't understand is every social horror
you can name where there was Paul pot I mean,

(19:40):
they have names now that we know, we're horror, But
at the time they were followed in the name of
social good, of caring about other people, doing what's right. Always,
always in the name of social good. Social evil is
done in the name of the good. There's not a
circumstance with that has not been true in the modern era.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
But that's how they spin the propaganda of it for
the people to accept it. I don't know if the
people behind it know all that is good, but maybe
they do.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, you you twisted my mind a bit too, talking
about blackmailing and stuff like that. So I'm starting to
see that everywhere, and I'm starting to wonder, well, but
I want to know more because I can't make sense
of things. So I'm trying to get information like that
to help understand people's behavior.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
What makes sense, right, It's why irrational behavior is happening,
and it just doesn't make sense otherwise. And it makes
sense that powerful figures would use that.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, power figures. But I wonder, I wonder how how
many different directions it goes? You know, I look at
a guy like, who's my congressman? I know, the guy
that Trump calls pencil neck. I mean, he says stuff,
that's his name, blanket and his name?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Where are you located?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
California? So then Adam Shif Adam Shift. I wonder, he
gets up and lies his ass off and I and
now I start to think, well, somebody got something on him,
as somebody making him do that? Of me? What's motivating that?
Where is that coming from? I wonder?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, because it makes no sense, right, and are they
really that dumb?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
And people who say one thing publicly over and over
and then all of a sudden changing the dime, and
it's so obvious to the people that support them, like,
what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
It's so weird, it's so weird? Or are they just sociopaths?
You know? You know? And as Adam and I used
to always say stupid or liar? Really what it boils
down to, do you really that stupid? Or are you
a sociopath? Or blackmail? But then that goes into the
liar thing again too, you're lying because you're blackmailed. Yeah,
I wish I could see the world three your eyes.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Well, I have a you know, I've been I'm going
to do more research in this because I want to.
I'm writing a book and I have like five books
worth the material. But the Roy Cohen thing is an
American story, him and Jim Rothstein, and I really want
to get more of that information out there because it
really it's I think it'll.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Help people understand. But it isn't new. It's not a
new American thing.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
It's just that we need to understand and be watchful
of it, you know, and understand.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
How do you how do you understand our current moment?
Where do you see the different here? I'm so speaketting interviewed,
but I was looking forward to talking to you again.
How do you see the different sort of sweeps of
power and influence? What's going on here?

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, I think I think we're in a very dangerous time.
I sent you that article I said from substec and
I really wanted to get your opinion on it because
with your deep psychological background of decades of work in
that field. And I think that there's a societal stress collapse.
And I that was for millions of conversations from jet

(22:59):
GPT right and uh. And I even went back this
week and A kept doing different you know, really challenging it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Are you really seeing this?

Speaker 4 (23:08):
And emphasithetically it comes back yes, yes, every time in
every direction that this is going on, and uh, you know,
and I think, yes, I will and and what it is,
it's a it's a collapse level stress and people are
disengaging their uh they're emotionally to the edge, they're psychologically

(23:33):
to the edge. There, you know, that's emotionally, psychli financially
to the edge.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
They're uh, just really stressed out. The media acting.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Like it's just a normal situation is making it worse
because we're not addressing I think it's the.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Fallout from COVID.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
It's the fallout from people not recognizing Epstein.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I mean, well, you can't.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Have a high level pedophile that's involved with all the
powerful people in our country and ignore it.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I mean, what's your what's your what's your take on that?
What's your guests? And then that's obviously blackmail, and so
what's what's up there? What do you think? Well, oh,
you look like you look like you can't tell me.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, Well, you know what, here, here's the deal. I'll
give you my you know, you know who Dave Janna is.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
He was worked for in some capacity for four different
presidential administrations as an advisor, health advisor and then different
consultants and stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
He asked me and we had a really great.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Conversation last Sunday on his show. I was I go
on a show like every six weeks, and I think
we were able to summarize it really well.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think it's a combination of things.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I think that, uh, the fact that Bongino and Bondi
and Patel were so adamant and public saying they were
going to release this information and then they don't, and
same with Trump and then they don't.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
They look like fools, really do look bad?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Okay, That to me means there's something else going on.
So I think that there is blackmail at another level
behind the scenes. I think that there are there's too
much on there. I think the intelligence community is coming
forward and saying, hey, this is not good for national security.
And I think there's people who are blackmailed on this

(25:18):
that are gonna it's too widespread. I think they're making
a mistake because at some point national security is cleaning
this up.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
But I think there is there a world where this
is a temporal solution, like let's forget about it for now.
We'll get it. We'll get it to you. I promised it.
It'll happen, you know, Like they're cleaning it up behind
the scenes somewhere where they can make I don't know
ie that they can.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
I think that this is a complicated situation, and so
I think that people who are just screaming, pulling their
hair out, saying that Trump's a pedophile, that's why he's
not releasing it, I think is too simplistic.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Of course, yeah, I don't think that's a fair as.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I smell money like big like Qatari money, or Saudi money,
or or balance of power issues in the Middle East.
You know something in that.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
That I think it's the war were they.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, where they somebody came to us and said, don't
do that, or we're no longer your ally or something
crazy like that, you know, And that's blackmail, right, Isn't
that still blackmail?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
That's blackmail and they have they're using it to blackmail,
and I think it's something really serious, and I think
the fact that the global the economy is shifting over,
I think it could be tied to that. It's it's
pretty serious stuff. And so when they say national security
is behind it, I mean nobody's come out and said that,
but I think the writing is on the wall and
some of that stuff there likely is some serious things,

(26:49):
but behind national they use national security to hide crimes too.
So you know this has to be cleaned up.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Period. You got to clean and you're not going to
get rid of blackmail for ever because that's what they do.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
But you can feel like I feel like one of
the one of the sources of I feel the stress too.
You were talking about a few minutes ago that the
the AI was picking up, and I feel like the
only solution is what's happening is you know, tearing these
systems down, completely, exposing them, cracking them open, defunding them.

(27:26):
That that's this. These crazy influence have been running a
monk in our in our society, and I think those
are really what created all the discord and stress and
probably also much of the economic problems, because they certainly
weren't adding to the economy, and they certainly weren't helping
us get out of the economic situation making life more affordable,

(27:48):
which is what needs to happen. Uh. And I kind
of occasionally can fill my lungs with air when I
see things going down that I that, okay, let's let's
get that. Let's clean that up, clean that up. So
on one hand, you know, this isn't the first time
in history that humans have been in a very stressful circumstance, right,

(28:08):
I mean, my god, there have been worse. I do
believe that a lot of the burden is being born
mostly by sort of millennial age people for them. When
you really look at what's stressing them out, it sort
of boils down to two things, affordability and their inability

(28:30):
to have relationships. That the males have been so crushed.
I was at a comedy show last night, and there
were a couple of millennial males who it was actually
it was sort of a comedy dating thing show and
they brought people up and tried to match them up
and things. And I was watching the young men. I
finally blurted out of my mouth, and what is wrong

(28:51):
with these men? They can't they cannot say I would
like to take you out, or I would not like
to take you out, or here's what I'd like to
do with you. The only thing I heard was I
don't know what do you want to do? It was
I was like, oh my god, and no wonder women
are frustrated and they were. They were like, and they're
and the women are fine with yes or no, but

(29:11):
they'd like it yes or no. Please. It's like, and
they we have really crushed And then once you've crushed
men and made them frightened us to interact with a
woman for being fe fear of being called toxic or rapist.
I mean they were schooled on this all the way
through their development and now they lack the skill to
do this. That it takes time to develop the capacity

(29:33):
to form and break relationships and date and then this
is a skill set and I've seen it in people
close to me, where they literally have the basic questions like, so,
how do you have a conversation about it? What is it?
What do they want to hear? How do you do that?

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Well?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
How do you? And I've had to, you know, with
people in their thirties sit down and go all right,
here's what I want you to do. And and they're
motivated and they want it, and they're good. They're good people,
and they have been told that they are bad and
worthless and mean nothing to society, particularly the young white male.
They are just completely all these guys I was talking
about last night, white men in the thirties.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
That's too bad, because the truth with nature that we should.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Be rebuilding is how do we maximize everyone flourishing?

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Right, of course, of course that's what everybody wants and
has always wanted. But all of a sudden we have
one side that said, this way of doing it is Nazi.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
We know how to do it because we're the elite,
and we have disdain for everybody else's ideas. They are
the disgusting ones elite. And by the way, the whole
managerial elite thing is breaking down, and it needs to
break down. More so it needs to be undone. Unfortunately,
women are way bought into it, way bought into it,
and I blame the universities. I think they have been

(30:51):
sort of brainwashed by some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Well, and I also think a lot of this is
a backlash. Right, Women have to deal with a lot,
and then they tap in to the social injustice that
they're dealing with, and then the reaction which ones, well,
women not feeling historically, what.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Happens in divorce in California, No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
What happens what happens in the boardroom? Women to be
in the boardroom where we finish.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Let me finish the Well, I grew up not getting
treated that well, like I was one of fifty men,
you know, that kind of stuff. But that being said,
what they're doing, which is fine. All I wanted was merrit.
All I wanted to be is treated equally on merit.
But what's happening is they're using that social justice issue
and then reflecting it and doing the wrong stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Is my point.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Your merit based feminism, which was what I grew up with,
was equality and you know, equal level playing field and
merit that is considered.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Right, all right, that's all right, Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Several of my feminist friends from from by gone eras
have been you know, labeled as completely over on the
other side now. But we have not changed. I've not
changed my political views. I've refined them a little bit.
And I've changed some of my science understanding of things
because I didn't know how adulterated medical literature was. Now
I do. But but I have not changed my sort

(32:20):
of instincts on things. In fact, most of my career
was spent fighting the right. You know, back when on MTV,
the right was not happy with me at all. I
was advocating for a morning after contraceptive, I was adding
for the advocate for the HPV vaccine there was and
what I was really fighting at the time. What bothered
me was not that they were telling us how to
live our lives on the right, which they used to do,

(32:41):
but that they didn't understand science and they were arguing
from a place of complete lack of understanding of the science.
And that used to bug me. Now now we're in
outer space with everything.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, well see now you know where where I feel.
It's like God, I just I haven't changed. Now.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
I went from whiplash, being like this famine is freak
to now being a far right freaks like I didn't
do anything.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
It's so crazy. I know, it's really hard and you
and you take the beating and social media all day long.
I know I do.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Okay, Well let's talk about men though. You were talking
about the millennials, and I think that, you know, women,
men probably are getting it harder.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Because women have it. When it comes to the housing.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Collapse, married men with a family cannot afford to buy
a home.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Correct, that is that is that is that cuts to
the core of wanting to support and protect a family now,
to be able now, to be fair. I mean, you
know there's a lot of renter societies out there in
the world. I mean, you don't have to be a homeowner,
but it has always been sort of a core goal

(33:52):
and and you can do it, but you have to move,
you can't do it in certain areas, and then the
job opportunities might not be there. So it's a it's
a conundrum. I I do. My instinct is that we're
going to get through that, We're going to figure a
way out of that. It's going to get better. It
has to.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
It has to, it has to.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
And I think those kind of things disproportionately affect men
because while women want to support their family that way,
they just they're not as they don't have that same expectation.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
It doesn't cut to the core the same way it
really cuts to our There is a thing, you know,
there is things about being a male that are instinctive.
They're in us, they're stuff, and you know, and being
able to support and protect those are instincts. Those are
in us. You can suppress them. You can. You can

(34:40):
you take them and do the best you can. But
when you suppress instincts, something else happens always, And I.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Think women love that, at least me. I mean, I
think that's freaking amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I love that. But maybe that's what makes me a
far right nutjob.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Wait wait, what's the word now? It's a oh shit,
what is the word? Trad You're a trad woman?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Well whatever, Okay, So you know, what do you think
is going to happen? Because what I'm seeing is a
profound change is occurring.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
And that's through that.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
You know my background, I'm a system's analyst, I'm a
systems engineer, right, So I've done a lot of data
analysis in my past, and so I was mining chat
GPT is really what I was doing, and that gives
us a lot of millions of data points.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And what it's also showing is not only.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
A collapsible stress, but profound change is underlying now.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
That that's stressful in itself, that.

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Speaker 3 (37:32):
Short term always tough, right, I mean change is always
up to. What's the other word for change uphevial? Right
is n upevil. It's like, oh boy, you know things
are not as they used to be. And I personally
love change. I love it, I welcome it, we need it.
But a lot of people get stressed out by change.
They like things to be just a certain way. And

(37:53):
the more we get used to change probably the better,
you know, more resilient, the more efficacy we have, and
as things move around amongst us. I welcome it. We'll
get through it. But you know a couple of things
that you know, the users of chat GPT are mostly younger.
You're not necessarily sixty year old, so you're getting you're
looking at younger people, and I'm sure you've seen the

(38:16):
data on the sort of gen Z and even Alpha
turning sort of way right in their attitudes, and they're
sort of not politically interested in anything. They're they want
to go back to taking care of themselves, their family,
their community, local practice of democracy, all the things our
country was designed to do. They seem more inclined that way.

(38:38):
They're not as engaged with the politics as the rest,
and they are distinctly right leaning right now. So that's
a change where it's going to lead, I'm not sure. Also,
I think people are they're more open to things than
they were maybe even a year ago. And I think

(38:59):
that's the Trump administration because they've done things and guess what,
it seems to be working. And I remember, you know,
I've lived long enough. Again, I told you I'm a
time traveler. I was around during the Reagan era, and
it was exactly the same thing. People forget. He was vilified,
he was going to cause World War three. We all
had to sit down and watch a TV show called

(39:21):
The Morning After, which was a TV show fictionalized about
the day after a nuclear holocaust, and that you know,
fifty million people watch that TV show go read about it.
Because everyone was convinced Reagan was going to destroy the
economy and cause a nuclear holocaust, and that there was
a hysteric around that not as quite as hysterical as

(39:44):
things have been today, because our personalities are more primitive.
I'm sorry, but that's true. But there was an hysteria
about him, and after a year of his policies, he
was saying things like they've been out of their mind.
They're crazy, they're hysterical. But the people are looking around now.
I remember him in an interview just going, you know,

(40:06):
people are starting to see that what we're doing is
kind of working, and we're going to keep doing it
and it is working, and it is a good idea
and it's going to work, and they're seeing it. And
that was it. That was the Reagan sort of revolution.
It did a bunch of stuff, put a bunch of
good people in positions. They did it and things got better.
And the other thing. You know, you would remember this,

(40:27):
but you know, it changed overnight. The seventies sucked. They
were terrible. They were all horrible, probably the worst except
for the last ten years, maybe the last four years,
by one of the worst decades in American history. And
it's sort of what I was responding to with radio
because because the behaviors were out of control and there

(40:48):
was just a mess. It was we were a mess,
but we got we turned, we turned optimistic. And I
remember the moment. I remember the moment. I was at
a house party in nineteen eighty Midman eighty one, and
everything was bummer, bumber, bumber bummer. You know, we saw it.

(41:08):
We're done. The United States is over. We can't rescue
our hostages, we can't get anything done. We're bummer. And
I remember I was in medical school and when I
was at a house party, which already was kind of weird.
People are kind of socializing again, and it was a
room pack full of people and Devo whip. It came
on loud and people start. Every person started joyously jumping

(41:31):
up and down. I was like, what this is I've
i'ven't seen I've never i'ven't seen this in what's happening here?
People are happy, people are joyous. I've not seen that
in ever, because you know, maybe in the early part
of the seventies or something. But it was that moment
and boom. It kept getting better from there. So you know,
Ernest Hemingway has a famous quote, and I think it
was for Whom the Bell Tolls, where one of the

(41:54):
characters went bankrupt and another character was talking to that
character and goes, hey, what was that like? And he goes, well, well,
first it was slow, that it was fast, And I
think that's what's going to kind of happen here. I hope,
and I hope in a good way.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
What do you think about Europe because we're hearing kind.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Of horror stories coming on You had to go there.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And they have to because it is affecting us? Or
can we isolators? I mean, we don't want to be isolationist.
How do they affect us?

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Because you know, I just had Kieren Kelly, who is
the largest he owns the largest ocean cleanup company in
the world. And I'm doing a multi two thing show
with him. Yeah, and he's from Ireland. He's the US
citizens now and he said, what I'm talking about here
would land me in prison.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And it wasn't all that that out there what we
were talking about.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
And so what do you think, how do you think
it's going to affect the United States? And can they
I mean, are they just going to go through harder
times than us?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And think about it. You just described a totalit terrianism
that Europe is going to lead into the solitarianism of
all the places. And I spoke to a guy named
Alex Kiner. I think his name is right right. I'm
afraid his name right now. I keep looking up for you.
But he's a Croatian political scientists economist, and he said,

(43:23):
he goes, look, Eastern Europe has been completely inoculated against
this stuff. They are not going to allow the EU
to do this to us. We've been through it, we
know where this goes. It ain't good. The West seems
still tymnotized by it. They think it's good. It's hypnotic,

(43:46):
you know, well, it's God for the greater good here. Yes,
keep going that way. It's good. We care about people.
The East is like and I was. I told him.
I said, I was in Croatia two six months, four
months ago, and you could tell things were not good
because Croatia is part of the EU. And we went
over the border to Montenegro and it was like going
into oz. Montenegro refused to be part of the EU.

(44:09):
They're an independent nation and their economy is flourishing. They
don't have the death the Croatia is burdened with. And
the Croatians are well aware of that distinction because it's obvious.
He walked across the border, It's like, whoa, I'm in
a different places.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Like East and West Germany.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
On yes, and he said Eastern Europe is going to
push back hard on this ship, that they are not
going to put up with this stuff, and so that
maybe that will mean dissolution of the EU. My hobby
now is the French language and French politics, so you
had to go there. So I spent a lot of
time listening to French radio and I communicate with French

(44:48):
people and stuff through X and whatnot, and they the
Frexit is a real thing. Frexus could happen. There's movement
for a sixth republic in France that's very serious, that
they're tired of Macron. So the event if you know that,
you know, the first republic was you know, seventeen eighty

(45:10):
nine and then they've gone through. The fifth was de
Gaulle's Republic, which is what they're under now and it's
not working, and they went a sixth republic and if
that happens, they will pull out of the EU for sure.
So the EU could fall apart. And now understand, the
EU is non elected officials who make one hundred thousand
dollars a year and manage to clear five hundred thousand

(45:31):
a year. What's going on there? And for every EU
delegate there are one hundred and ten lobbyists and that's
where they get the money from. And it's disgusting, it's
a mess, and that these people are telling but you know,
national citizens how to behave you know that, you know

(45:52):
that this guy has to worry about being put in
jail for speaking. That's something we should help. I think
Trump is trying to do that. He's using his tariff
stick to try to make a difference. Betwen all that
he can all do so much.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Though, well, then let's tie it to the EU, the
World Health Organization, the United Nations, the United Nations.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
But the World Health Organization is no. We got to
be out of that. That's we have no business being
in that organization. They are running amock. Anything centralized in
authority in healthcare is disastrous. Have we not learned that
through COVID they will eventually mandate you to do things
that are not good for you because the greater good Man,

(46:33):
the greater good. That's not how medicine is done. That's
not how it's done.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And it's not done by censoring treatments, oh my.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
God, or discourse or publications. It's just this is we
saw it, it happened, We've been through it. Don't don't
let it happen again. Can't happen again. And the fact
that the World Health Organization was trying to get that
treaty through, oh my goodness, that that treaty was a catastrophe.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Do you see you said that?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
You do you think the UN is different than the world.
I mean, obviously they're different organizations, but behind the scenes,
my understanding is there's pretty tight ties with all these
globalist organizations.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
It's globalism and it's doing what's good for the you know,
the greater good. And that means that's what you know,
That's what Stalin was doing, That's what Hitler was doing,
that's what Paul pop was doing. They're all doing for
the greater good. So whenever that comes up, whoa hold on.
I have done a little work for the UN here
and there, and I've been sort of pleased with what
I saw, but that was a long time ago, and

(47:32):
they could easily run amok. So I don't know. I
don't know what's going on there. I can't. It's not
transparent enough for me to understand yet.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Well, but there is a place to have a council
or something where all the different world leaders or all
the different countries are part of.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
It for nothing more than to communicate and to hear
each other out. Right. Yeah, a good idea, but to
give it too much authority, oh boy, be careful. Yeah. Well,
you know, remember, we we have gone through a period
where the idea of a nation and was being called
into question. We don't need that anymore. Right, we don't
need a nationhood, we don't need Nationalism is bad, Nationalism

(48:06):
is dangerous, nationalism is all right, nationalism is hitler whatever
you know. And it's these extreme ideas about having a
country is not good, not good, it's improven to be
abd bad way to go. But what do pull that back?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Well, what do you think of the bricks nations?

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Have you spent time I'm sure you've interviewed people talking
about bricks and the change and shift over of the
economic system and bricks which includes more than fifty percent
of the world's population.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Have you think that I got my eye on it.
I don't know much about it. What do you mean
by the shift in the economics? What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Well, I would say, you know the for example, they
don't use the Swift system. Their system can do transactions
in seven seconds. Swift is much slower. We use the
Swift system. They are using a different economic system. They
have more people involved in it than you know. They
have the larger population of the world involved in bricks.

(49:10):
And country after country is aligning up and it's kind
of the West against the East. But we have a
World Economic Forum and these globalist institutions are backing these systems.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So so you're you're talking about ultimately the dollar not
being the international currency of.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Choice, right well, and you know that is probably where
it's going anyways, because I don't think the you know, JD.
Vance wrote a thing saying being the dollar reserve currency
has hurt us financially. So there is an argument within
the political class that being the reserve currency is not
good for US long term because of the effect that

(49:55):
it hollows out our manufacturing. And I mean, there's a
lot of economic theories on why it's following out our manufacturing,
and you can't be it for too long otherwise it
does what it's doing to us, And if we want
to reclaim our manufacturing base and reclaim all these things
we need for our citizens, we can't be the world
reserve currency forever. That is the theory of some of
the economists, and JD. Vance talked about that as well,

(50:18):
So maybe that's where they're going. But that's different than
allowing the East to run our financial system. So I
think that there's a lot more happening here.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I don't know enough to speak meaningfully about it. I
watch it, I watch with horror at some of the
law fair and it's going on. I worry about is
it sort of an electronics system they have, like a
bitcoin type system?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
It is, I mean, And then they're all coming up
with I mean, we are moving towards a cbdc's okay,
they're not going to call it that. They're going to
call it stable coins, they're going to call it. Nobody's
gonna call it that because it became a dirty word,
so they're not going to call it that. But our
banking has been digital for the most part for a
few decades, so we can't fool ourselves either in that way.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Right, So things are moving go ahead.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
We could flip into it pretty quickly ourselves and maybe
do it better. I don't know. Somebody smarter than me
is thinking about this, including yourself.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Well I think you're pretty smart too, but just everybody
focuses in different areas.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but the point is I I
can watch it, but I don't know what to do
with it yet. I don't. I don't know. There is
I worry about. You know, humans do a great job
preparing for disasters that are approaching if they see them.
It's always the land mines they don't see that get us.

(51:43):
And so that's what I don't know enough to kind
of start thinking about those land mines. But I'll pay attention.
I will pay attention.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
My big thing is that we need more people that
do have this background, right because if everything's moving digital
and every you know, the biggest corporations in the world
are all digital, why don't we have more people that
understand this who are part of our government and community.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
And there's like three political.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Oh well, you know, look, it's like saying, why why
are the computer systems at the federal government from nineteen
sixty eight? You know what I mean? All the government
is because there's no incentive the way there is in business.
Government lags like way lags, and so somebody's got to
come in and rip it apart always, and there's of
course resistance and you know, ossification. That's what we're going

(52:30):
through right now, right, I mean, looking for Elon Musk
trying to try just bring some sanity into the government.
He's vilified for that.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Well, and let's talk about that a little bit, because
Elon Musk just unveiled I mean, he lifted the for
a little bit and they had to shut the door
quick or something. It was government by proxy is what
it really was with those that what they uncovered is
all these NGOs, yes, doing government work by proxy.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
And sing, oh my god that I shudder at that.
That to me, that's the most shocking of all the revelations,
well not the most. What happened to my medical publications
was pretty shocking. Mandating things you don't have the bioethical
standard to mandate is shocking to me. The fact that
most physicians are employed and fall in line with their
employer or the insurance company or their local public health

(53:21):
officials shocking to me. But equally as shocking is this
this this world of Frankly, it's just not NGO's. It's
not for profits. I didn't realize this was a shadowy
world that I don't know how we other than exposing
it for what it is. I don't know if we
make them start paying taxes or what, how you take

(53:44):
the teeth out of this. It's really deeply troubling.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Yes, And is it okay for government to do these actions?

Speaker 3 (53:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Through proxy?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
No? No, it's it's I don't know how you do
all that, but we have to. I don't know if
they're looking to undo it. I mean, look things that
this is the this is the craziness of our current moment,
that the founding principles of our country have been undermined
so vastly that we were starting to reconsider the First
Amendment of the Bill of Rights. That's how far insane

(54:19):
we got. That, that's how far we got. We should
look at that and go, oh, everybuddy, thank you. Yes, yeah.
And so that's where my line got drawn. I was like,
wait a minute, I'm going to have to defend speech
on all fronts. I will never forget people just destroying
me for daring to platform. How dare you platform that person?

(54:41):
You mean, have a conversation in a public platform? That
word should be people should be ship. They should be
mocked for using that term. You were disgusting for talking
about platforming. Who are you to tell people, who do
you think you are? That you can tell people who
would not to have public conversation with Give me a
fucking break. So that's where I started going, oh, no, no, no,

(55:03):
I did not realize that this late in my life
I'd be using words like freedom of defending freedom by
speaking and defending other people's right to speak, and then
the courage to do so. Those are not words I
expected to be concerning myself with as I approached my
eighth decade of life and forty years in medicine. It

(55:24):
was not even on my radar. But here we are,
and I think the NGO undermining the basic functions of
the government that was such a genius system. This is
the loophole that pulled us into some outer space, and
we've got to bring it back and bring it and
pull it back hard.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, and conversations that you would have thought were vanilla
twenty years.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Ago, vanilla or not, Yes, of course or not or not.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
It doesn't matter, right, It.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Doesn't matter the fact that anybody can start to dictate
with somebody else's discourse. You should be ashamed of you.
You're a prison guard. You're the person that goes, oh,
I would have killed I would have fought the hitler
if I were like to the night. No, you would
have been a prison guard. If it's absolutely one hundred
percent the case. If you yelled at somebody in Walmart

(56:16):
for not wearing a mask, if you reported a neighbor
for having a barbecue during lockdowns, that is the shit
of the brown Shirts. You did it you did their work.
And then if you start demanding that somebody's speech be curtailed,
you're all the way in. You are a prison guard,
and you would have been so you would have been
an enthusiast. You know. One of the things I was

(56:37):
reading a book about, you know, the sort of the
evolution of the nineteen thirty nine Germany through the eyes
of the American ambassador at the time. And the one
thing I was aware of during our recent mess with
COVID it was hysteria. I didn't realize we could be
so hysterical as a country. We were absolutely in a hysteria.
And Trump derangement system is a hysteria, and the word

(57:01):
hysteria came up a bunch in nineteen thirty nine Germany,
which I did not understand that some of that was
hysteria and going a certain direction. Now, thank god we
didn't go in as violent and people don't appreciate how
violent that was. It was a severe, severe violent group.

(57:21):
But back to oh shit, I lost my train. Oh
and so so the one thing that's happening that we
were talking about the change and what you were saying
with of mining Ai, Howard Stern got canceled yesterday. That
is a piece the late Night's going to fall apart.
These were these were these were these are not the business.

(57:44):
There's no business model, and because not because that they're
saying things that people don't want to hear. There's just
no business model to support these things anymore. And and
no one's listening to radio and no one's watching late night.
That's just a fact. And you can't spend one hundred
million dollars a year on a late night show and
have a business. You can't. You can't. You can't do that.
And so it same with Howard. He's not going to
accept the lower salary, so he wisely he steps down

(58:07):
at a certain point. But these are voices that have
been having an effect on the hysterias that are going
to not be there, and hopefully people will kind of
start to get reattached to reality. I hope, I really do,
because the spinning and the hysteria and the projection and
the projective identification and emotionality very very pathological, and we're

(58:32):
prone to it. We're very narcissistic in this country. We've
I've watched it happen as we sort of swept into
narcissistic trades most of us. And one of the liabilities
of narcissism is scapegoating. Mobs and scapegoating. And we've been
through a t I started. I became obsessed with the
French Revolution for a while. It's part of my hobby
with the French politics. That's sort of how I got

(58:53):
into it, because I saw this same thing happening that
happened in seventeen eighty nine or seventeen ninety four in particular. Uh,
and yeah, we did it. We're there, We were in
these mob actions and are the guillotine? And I kept
saying as it was approaching, I kept saying, you know,
we are narcissistic. There's going to be guillotines. When the
groups of people are this narcissistic, guillotines come out. Cancelation

(59:15):
was the modern guillotine.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
It was well and with this underlying current of change
going on, I think people are afraid that if we don't.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I think it's a positive thing. I think there's positive change.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I agree, and we can.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
It can be really positive.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
You know, you are a breath of fresh air. Thank
you for speaking, Thank you for being truthful.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Thank you for a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Well, because you're amitt, you're you admit if you're wrong.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
You aren't afraid to get out there, you aren't afraid
to interview people. You aren't afraid to and you use
your voice and I.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Use my voice. I I don't really see that as
what I'm doing. I see more that I'm sort of
just talking to people and educating myself and letting other
people drop in on that. And in terms of what
was the other thing you called me so pressure French

(01:00:09):
and Eric, there's something you said there, I was like, oh,
that's not me really, But all right, well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You're using your voice to bring Yeah, I'm just here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I am. I'm in this. I'm looking for I'm always
looking for interesting things to do to help media do good.
That's where I started in nineteen eighty three. It's what
I'm still doing now. The media. The landscape has changed completely.
I'm doing this now out of my kids playroom, you know,
I'm doing it at.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
My House's awarious.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I don't have to I don't have to get in
a car and go to a satellite studio. You can
do the same damn thing right here. And I'm just
looking for ways to shape media in a positive way,
for the good of everybody, for the health of everyone.
Really that we do healthier things, and hysteria is not healthy.
It's just not good. It's just not a great way

(01:00:56):
to be in. And the further you detach yourself from
reality and mention and the cognitive distionance cognitive distortions, the
less healthy we are. We need to stay in reality
and think God. Reality has a way of asserting itself.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I think the stronger voices kind of well, there's
the more calm saying voices tend to win out over time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Well, the ones that are reflective of reality. If you're
saying things that turn out to be true and are
born out in predictions and seem to be then you
get lived to talk another day and to say something again.
The thing I hate is accusing people of lying if
they're wrong, not lying, just guess somebody's wrong, they're not lying,
Or if you disagree with them or you read the

(01:01:40):
science differently, the other person is lying. That's disgusting and
you should check yourself. And this whole notion of platform
that your platform people you shouldn't platform. Those are actually
the very people you should talk to. They take different
ideas and stuff. That's the way it's always been.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Don't be scared, right, don't be scared to talk to
somebody who thinks differently.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Then oh my god, no, yes, you get as many
different opinion as you possibly can. But but I you know,
you can't talk to somebody that won't discourse. You have
to be willing to kind of exchange ideas and things.
You have to. If somebody's yelling at you or unwilling
to sort of consider, you know, debate and consideration and things,
then they were wasting our time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
That's right, that's right. Well, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Where can people follow you? I know you're everywhere, but
where can people follow you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And you know so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Mostly yeah, where I interviewed you was on a show
called Ask Doctor Drew. That's Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursdays at
two o'clock on Rumble and YouTube and X really look
for the X Blast. That's where we most of our
people are finding us. And we just I just interview
interesting people. And back when this started, interesting people were
other doctors and experts who had been silenced, people like

(01:02:55):
Ja Bodicharia and Marty McCarry and people that were considered
fringe epidemiologist that needed to be subjected to a devastating takedown.
When I heard that, I was like, well, I want
to The guy's a Stanford professor, he's well trained, he's
been a you know, Peter mccullub, and you know, been
one of those published doctors in the country. I suspect

(01:03:16):
he has something to offer. Maybe I won't agree with everything,
which I didn't. And to me, the greatest sign of
change the thing that I hope gets in the history textbooks.
Let's try to get it in there. The moment for
me that I was I thought, oh my god, I'm
in a Shakespearean play is when Jay Badichariam, who is

(01:03:37):
this wonderful clinician, a one, a decorated professor, an incredible
human being. When he said to me, you know they're
considering me for the anti h I was like, oh
my god, I live in the middle of a Shakespearean
drama and this is the this is the final chapter.
So look to him for guidance and sanity, and he

(01:03:59):
is should be at the He has been at the
center of all this, much to his chagrin, and remains
there to our benefit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Thank you so much for joining the program.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Pleasure. Good to talk to you. And I want to
learn more, Tell me more, send me more stuff. I
want to understand the world the way you understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Oh for sure, I will thank you.

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(01:04:41):
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uh so I guess you know, I mean, I guess
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I mean, I guess you might be listening to a

(01:06:01):
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maybe you're listening to it, like at a different time
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