City of London: Infiltration, Intimidation and Centralized Power with Mike Harris - Sarah Westall - Fringe Radio Network

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One of the keys to happiness is the greater sense
of control you have of your own life, the happier
you feel as an individual, and they're removing that from us,
and we have less and less and less control. I mean,
if you went back to nineteen seventy nineteen eighty and
you see someone in the grocery store filling up their

(02:06):
bag with you know, you know, pride beef and walk
out the door and go, hey, you you know you
stop it, you would intervene as an individual. Today everyone's
afraid to do that because no one wants to be sued,
no one wants to be arrested. You don't want to
be the one to accost that person. They're breaking the law,
and you're intervening as a citizen to make a citizen's arrest.

(02:27):
You're going to be the one to go to jail
for stopping them, for interfering with them. And so this
is the society we've lived. This has been constructed around
us with the purpose of taking away our ability to
fight back, to resist. You know, the biggest thing that
they're afraid of with the American people, you know, we
got four hundred million firearms in this country floating around,

(02:48):
and they're scared to death of that, they still want
to impose their agenda on us. But they're afraid that
if we organize and get pissed off, if we're going
to fight back, So they erected a offense of laws,
a prison of law around us, so that if we
do fight back, we're we're the one getting in trouble.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Welcome to Business Game Changers. I'm Sarah Westall. I have
Mike Harris rejoining the program. He is the former editor
of Veterans Today, the former economic editor of Veterans Today,
which is no longer operating. He explains the backstory of
how it was infiltrated by the Biden administration, which is
an interesting story of itself. But he has an MBA

(03:27):
in finance, and he has a deep background in the
equity markets, and he is highly sought after in all
over the world by media. He does interviews all over
the world on different global economic situations. And he's going
to come on and talk about how the United States
is under attack and from multiple different perspectives, and how
that ties into companies valuations and how the power structure

(03:52):
of how companies are funded has changed, and how that
puts us at hower a disadvantage in this country and
undermines our country. He makes the argument that we are
no longer a representative republic, but we are run by
an oligarchy of powerful, wealthy individuals, and that changes our
dynamic and why they are bent on trying to control us,

(04:18):
and how they're scared that they're going to be losing
their power, and why we're seeing all this irrational behavior
because there are factions that are fighting for global economic
control and what that really means from a practical standpoint.
He also talks about different papers. He wrote two different
papers giving a solution which I think is hopeful. I

(04:40):
think if people could really look at some of these solutions.
He has a plan where you can reduce the military
industrial complex budget from a trillion, which is probably more
if you've add in dark projects, but from a trillion
down to two hundred billion a year, freeing up eight
hundred billion dollars a year. That would be a five
year process to get to that point, and that eight

(05:01):
hundred billion could be reinvested in building up our infrastructure,
and those people wouldn't be out of jobs. They just
wouldn't be focused on war. They would be focused on
helping humanity move forward. Helping us rebuild our infrastructure, re
gain a competitive advantage in new products, new pharmaceuticals because
we're dependent on China, new adventures, new space exploration, build

(05:27):
up scientists and engineers, and really focus humanity on the
future and the benefit of mankind versus this war economy
and why are we stuck in that? And he's going
to talk about that as well. Now, like all guests,
I don't agree with everything that they say. I've had
over fifteen hundred interviews by now. I don't agree with

(05:48):
everybody and everything, but I think these conversations are important,
and I think that we have done a huge disservice.
It's shutting down these conversations because what that does is
it breeds extremes. Because they're going to have conversations anyways,
but you're going to have it in these extreme pockets
versus allowing people to talk it out and letting the
rational discussions occur. But if you shut down conversation, you're

(06:11):
breeding extremes. And maybe that's what they're trying to do.
We talk about how the left has gone absolutely loony,
and so society just rose up and said this is crazy,
there's enough. But now they're building up the looney right.
I mean, we got like Nick Fouentis and Andrew Tate
and these nut jobs, and then you get Tucker Carlson

(06:31):
joining in with these guys. I don't know what he's
doing because he's hurting his brand long term by making
an association with them. But maybe that's their plan, because
it makes no sense. I mean, how do these people
have millions of views? I was suppressed. You know, I'm
not that extreme, but I was suppressed because I was
pointing out problems in the power structures and crime and

(06:54):
these things that challenge power. And I was suppressed. But
suddenly these guys are challenging power and they get millions
of views doing things that are pretty out there. I mean,
you have to question it. I'm a living example of
what it's like to actually challenge power. I've gone through
hell over the last five years. I had more followers
the fifteen of us that ended up suing Google in

(07:16):
the ninth circuit, and this is part of our court case.
We proved it with numbers. We had more exposure than
the entire mainstream media at that time, and that's why
we were attacked. So I had more views and things
and a lot of these people now that are getting
millions of views. I'm still suppressed. I'm still trying to
get out of that hole. But I'm telling you I'm

(07:36):
committed to doing more of a rational approach. These extremes
are hurting everyone, and maybe that's their goal, right, You
got to look at that. We also talk about a
conversation I have with the central banker out of Afghanistan
and maybe what some of the goals there were in
the Middle East. I think there's a really enlightening conversation.

(07:56):
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say fifteen percent. Okay, let's get into this really good
Friday night economic review with my friend Mike Harris. Hi, Mike,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, hi, Sarah, thank you for inviting me again. It
is always a pleasure to be here. And as I
said on the last time I was here, how you
have improved your brand in what you've done, the quality
of guests you've been getting on you know, Martin Armstrong,
I mean, you know that's a heavy hitter. I mean
you've been having just great, great guests, and I am

(11:46):
just so flattered and you know, happy that you're doing
so well and that you you thought enough to invite
me back. Thank you again, Well.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Thank you. I think people didn't realize some of the
guests that I've had for years have amazing. I think
people just maybe are starting to notice. I've sprinkled in
a couple other ones, but some of these guests that
people said, I'm just so you got such great guests,
and like, yeah, I've had them on for ten years,
maybe seven years, so some of them, I think it's
just people starting to notice that I've had just amazing guests.

(12:19):
So I thank you for saying that. And hopefully we'll
you know, people will keep coming on to my show
as I got my YouTube channel back, and maybe my
brand will whatever, won't be as tarnished going into the future.
They sure worked hard to take me down.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well let me say this about that is, no matter
what they do, you can't keep a good man, in
this case, a good woman down. And what you have done,
how you have worked hard, You've built a brand and
it is it's manifesting, it's showing it. You know, I've
watched your progress over the last number of years, and
by golly, you have evolved in you a true rising star.

(13:02):
So I got to hand it to you. Well done.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, Well, thanks. Maybe it's just the I was gonna say.
I don't know if I've changed that much other than
maybe doing a couple of marketing tweeks. But okay, let's
get into your what we're going to talk about today.
You are the financial editor of Veterans Today. Can you
talk about what Veterans Today is? And then also why

(13:29):
are you the financial editor? I want to talk about
your background a little bit, and then we're going to
get into some explosive information that people might not know about.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Okay, well, first of all, a little a little course
correction here, I'm no longer the financial editor with Veterans Today.
Veterans Today was attacked by the federal government under the
Biden administration where they the FBI had compromised key figures
within the webmaster portion. And we're inserting things that could

(14:01):
have been just say controversial you say, you say, they
could have resulted in litigation, could have resulted in criminal
issues and things.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
It's not legal, right, I mean, they can't go into
a news an editor's back in and start and paying
for and coercion what is going what is posted? And
taking down an energy? Isn't that the First Amendment?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
And also it kind of is. But when you've got
a vulnerable individual who's fear based and wants to protect himself,
that's how it works. Now I'm like I said, it's
you know, the FBI has so tarnished their reputation from
what they were once thought of. And you know, the
the you know, shenanigans that they've been pulling. You look

(14:48):
at all the Trump stuff and I'm not you know,
endorsing Trump or saying he's he's innocent or anything, but
you know the means that they work through the January
sixth thing where uh, you know, there was a duck.
Komi came out and said, you know, how many undercover
operators did you have? I don't know, don't remember. They
had almost three hundred plus, you know, I mean, come on, then, this.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Is not this is not many. We're FBI agents versus
the actual people. And how much did they instigate the riots?
And if they had three hundred plus they could have
easily shut down any kind of commotion, but keep going, well, no,
but they were there to start the problem.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
And this was the you know, it is my opinion.
Let me say it's just only an opinion, so I
can't you know, I'm not there's no liability here, but
it's my opinion that the Democrat Party, in collusion with
the FBI, set out on January sixth to orchestrate the
coup to take Trump down. And you know, you look
at all the nonsense that happens, how many people's lives

(15:47):
were damaged and harmed as a result of this, that
this is not the America we grew up in. This
is not how our free, open, democratic republic is supposed
to work. But they've brought in techniques that they use
on foreign governments to topple foreign governments, and they're using
them against our own government here, which they're supposed to

(16:09):
be protecting and respecting the will of the people. And
the people who are behind this, this so called deep state,
they're really doing both sedition and treason. If my suspicions
are true, Well.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Isn't there isn't there? We've always had division in politics, right,
but the difference is is that they weren't willing to
undermine the people like this. They weren't willing to go
to these links to do a legal activity to win
at politics at all costs and to destroy, i mean

(16:47):
destroy the fabric of the country just so they can
win and they can be in power. That was never part.
I mean they did some creepy stuff, right, I mean
in the past it was pretty bad, but not like this.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, ask yourself, what's changed. You know, if you go
back to the days of Jay Agar Hoover and I'm
not saying that he was a good guy either. He's
got you know, a lot of dirt on him. I mean,
cross dressing, tranni, all that kind of stuff. But if true.
But you know, if you go back to the days
of day Jay Hoover, what do we have now that
didn't exist then? And that's the Internet, and that's social media,

(17:23):
and that's all these things, so or go. The people
are more well informed now. They they're allowed multitude of
different opinions, a multitude of different viewpoints on things. So
the people in power find that the masses, the voters
out there are much harder to control. So they're doing

(17:44):
extreme measures to maintain their control and they're failing because
they're exposed. They're always exposed. It's how it works, it's
what happens. And so uh, you know, they're they're you know,
they're this whole issue with they're driving us toward a
social credit score somewhere to China. This whole Palenteer thing
scares the heck out of me. I mean they have

(18:05):
no business. I mean, you know, the Internet has ended
privacy for Americans, and it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Did phone it did multi decades ago. Now they're just
taking doing Palentteer and other organizations, not just Palenteer. I
had Aaron Dayon who found fifteen different applications that were
tracking or banking information. It's like they just aren't afraid
to be public about it anymore. In some ways, being
public about Pallenteers better than being in the dark with

(18:34):
NSA and dark projects tracking everybody.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, you know, like I said, I don't know what
I don't know. All I do know is that the
whole thing scares the heck out of me. And to
support Catherine Austin Fitz and her things, use cash wherever
you can, because the more cash that's in circulation, the
more it's used, the harder it is for them to
control it. And the more anonymity you can have over

(18:58):
what you do and get rid of your cell phone.
I mean, honestly, got to be where we've become dependent
upon them. They have created a dumbing down of people.
And I'll give you a good example. In the past,
I never had to look up a phone number because
I already knew it was in my head. I didn't
have to go reference any outside source. I could dial

(19:20):
the person, whether business, personal, whatever, just had the number.
I've lost that ability because I rely on my phone
and I see Joe Smith and I hit Joseph's icon
on there. It does it for me. So I don't
use that resource that I have internal to my mind.
It's atrophy and so it's doing this to more people.

(19:41):
The same with the map function on there. I mean,
used to somebody give me directions, I would find the place.
Now I depend on the Google Maps function that'll turn left.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah. I had Jack McCollum, he's a neurosurgeon, his PhD
in history. It's going to be entering after this show.
People need to watch. It's an amazing show and we
talk about brain development. And he said back in the
day that when there weren't very many books printed, like

(20:10):
almost none, like might be one in circulation, the scholars
had to go and read the book and they could
had they could only read it once, and so they
would literally memorize the entire book because they had to
and then that skill was what was valued, and so
they had and to the point where you could say,

(20:30):
what's on page seventy nine and they know. So he said,
when things as society changed, what's not valued changes your brain.
It's an amazing conversation and it gets to exactly what
you're talking about here. I don't think we're going to
get away from using cell phones, but I just welcome
everybody to listen to that conversation because it is. It

(20:53):
is so enlightening on how it actually exactly what you're
talking about here. But it's real problem. Right, we're worried
about them tracking everything we're doing. But I want to
talk about since I got you on and you're an
expert in financial and global financial systems, right, can you
talk about what your background is from a financial standpoint,

(21:16):
and then you also have a deep understanding globally, like
what's going on in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Go ahead, Well, I'll be glad to But you know,
I got into this kind of by accident, and you know,
like many things in life, I was in nineteen ninety eight,
I tendered a one point six billion dollar offer to
buy one of Motorola's semiconductor divisions. And during the process

(21:44):
it was my deal. I brought the recruit of the
management team, I secured the funding, I did all of
these things. This was my deal, and at the last
minute somebody sat me down and says, well, we can't
let you be the CEO because you don't even have
an MBA. So I said, well, I can fix that.
So I went out and got myself an MBA in finance,

(22:04):
and that opened a whole new area of expertise that
I are of information that I had to master. So
I went out and I went through the process of
getting it, and I took it from there and ran.
So subsequent to that, I've done some other significant transactions
and had to raise money. And once you're in the

(22:27):
private equity venture capital world, you begin to understand things
a little bit differently there as to how the money
really flows, how it really works. And so that's that's
what got me started on this. And then I had
written an article for Veterans Today because I did come
from the semiconductor back industry, came from that background about

(22:49):
remember back, Oh God has been going to be twenty ten,
twenty eleven, when the Iranians, you know, they were they're
floating a stealth drone over Iran and somehow they brought
it down and nobody could figure out how because this
was secure. This is all this Well, what happened under
the Clinton administration is they changed the procurement rules for

(23:13):
the Department of Defense for semiconductors. Prior to that, they
had a spec out called Millspec eighty eight to three
C one that if you were building any semiconductor devices,
whether there are discrete devices, ICs, microprocessors, whatever, there was
a process that you had to do where everyone who
worked within that sector on those devices had to have

(23:36):
a security clearance that allowed them that they were trusted
enough to at least work on the devices that the
military was going to use. Well, of course, that drove
the cost out, drove the prices up. In Bill Clinton
al Gore when they rewrote the procurement rules for the
Department of Defense, eliminated that so you could buy off
the shelf components. So these off the shelf components may

(24:01):
do everything that they're looking for them to do, but
if they're made in China, perhaps they may do extra
things that weren't forecast by the Department of Defense, and
so they may have extra functionality in there. So the
long and the short of this is that so when
your fighter pilot is driving along in his F thirty

(24:23):
five and he hits the fire button and the missile
goes out, if someone else can control that missile from
another location and may turn around and come right back
at the guy who fired it. So that caused I
wrote that paper, and that caused a huge upset within
the Department of Defense and then the Navy in particular,

(24:43):
because they were as they were upgrading their age's destroyers
and all their fire control systems, suddenly there were requisitions
to buy back the used fire control systems, hardware software
from vendors because they had been you know, auctioned off whatever.
So they were they were buying back their own equipment

(25:04):
so they could make sure that they were secured. So
what the theory behind this was is that Chinese semiconductors
that Clinton had authorized the Department of Defense to buy
were now compromised because they had functionalities that could be
controlled by off uh off the off the books third parties,

(25:24):
and so that that's what started. That's what got me
involved with Vetross today. In the first place was that
that that article, And so they recruited me to come in,
talked about background and things, and said, but we need
a finance editor. Are you willing? So I said, well,
of course, you know, I'm here to serve.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Awesome, Okay, So that's how you got into it. You
said something earlier that people don't until I got into that,
the finance equity, and I figured out how the I
realized how money really flows, and people don't realize that
until they get into that arena. What specific, just giving
us example, how did you what perspective changed that you

(26:03):
saw inside that an outsider might not realize.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
The Well, first of all, there's the network of it
in how how do private equity firms acquire their money?
Where does their money come from, where does their funding
come from? And quite frankly, the private equity model is
really a danger to the American way of life, our
American culture because it allows more and more money, resources,

(26:35):
assets to be controlled by fewer and fewer people. And
you look at management firms like black Rock, Vanguard, State Street,
and you look at how much of the total equity
of the US stock market, both New York Stock Exchange
NASDAK is how much they actually control. And then you

(26:57):
wonder why are companies like Dweiser and Target and others
doing these You know, we're having a trannee on to
sell bud Light. Well that's not their market.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
They would never have done that. But bud would never
have done had a transgender model up doing their ads,
never because they were put up to it in some
weird way.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Well, whenever you're the CEO of a company publicly traded company,
or you're on the board of directors and you're put
there by the shareholders, you know, so who are the
shareholders Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street and so, you know,
collectively they could you know, influence, if not control, all

(27:41):
the hiring decisions, who all the board members are, who
the CEO is going to be. So when the CEO
is told by his directors that maybe representing black Rock,
Vangarden and State Street, that you're going to promote this CEO, yes, sir,
and uh, they start promoting it to their own debt,
to the harm to the shareholders themselves. We look at

(28:05):
the cracker barrel thing. I mean, they put these people
in place, We're going to be their obedient servants and
follow their their laws, and they.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Didn't have their back though once the thing fails, and.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
They know they didn't because they market cap. Yeah, they're
costing their their shareholders money. And you know the money
that black Rock, Vanguard and states Ree control, it's not
even their money. It belongs to the pension funds across
the nation. You know caliberys is when that comes. But
the police union, the fire union, you know, the teachers union,

(28:40):
all these people who have pension plans that are managed
by fund managers life those three it's their money. It's
not Blackrocks money that they're managing, but it gives Blackrock
and you know, State Tree Vanguard an extremely powerful bottleneck
position to where they're the interface between the pension funds

(29:04):
who represent the people and the publicly traded companies that
are on deck. And so they are there. They're the
ones who control, and they're the ones who are dictating
these obnoxious policies about DEI and all this other some of.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
The things that they have these people do. They know
they're good enough business people, money managers. They know what
it would have done to a market like Budweiser. That's
where people are like, Okay, this is too dumb to
be dumb that this was an agenda. These are This
is a top down agenda that doesn't that hurts the
people they claim to be helping. It doesn't help transgender people.

(29:45):
It's not helping them. It's an agenda to hurt the country.
And it's not just trans gender. I mean, I don't
want to pick on them. I don't have any I
think they're victims in this, being honest. So this is
the fact that they're using these large funds to hurt
the country is the message, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
It is, like I said, that's the danger of this model,
and it puts more and more resources and assets in
the hands of fewer and fewer people, and that's really
our danger. So instead of having a distributed ownership of
the publicly traded companies, you have a concentrated ownership of it.

(30:26):
And they produce fantastic, great returns and so well, we
made the right decision. We went with the highest performing
money manager. So we hired Black right, they do the
best that they're doing great. How can we, as the
representatives from the union pension plan, how can we be
held accountable because they're doing such a good job, you know,

(30:47):
So we just hired the best performing manager.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Are they the best performing and why in a competitive market?
Why are they the best performing manager?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Well, I'm not really sure why they are, but they
get really good results. They produce good returns, and so
that's what I think I can measure it. But how
they why they are I don't know, but they're producing
good returns. They are always highly highly ranked as far
as the productivity. But like I said, the concentration of
wealth in the it's not the possession of the wells wealth.

(31:21):
It's the control of the wealth that that they're doing
so well at and that that's what really makes them dangerous,
dangerous to the American way of life.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well, they didn't do so well for Budweiser stockholders.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
So let's let's let's back up a bit, because you
brought that up, and I'll address that because Butterweise is
a great example. That was a test, that was a
pilot program. Let's see how this does. Let's flow the
balloon here. Well, let let's find a well known brand
and let's see how well they do. See if it flies,

(31:54):
see if it doesn't flies. See what the reaction is.
Let's measure the response. It's it's the same thing if
the military, Harry sends out a patrol to probe the enemy.
This was a probe. This was a probe to test
the American people, and it did a number of things.
It determined, Okay, the resistance is pretty high. This is
what we're going to get. What other social modification social

(32:17):
engineering programs do we have now that we know what
the pushback is going to be on a worst case
you're putting trainees on the Budweiser label. Let's see what
these other things that we want to slip in there.
Let's see how they're received. And it was a testing,
it was a modeling, so.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's almost like would you say, it was almost like
they knew they were going to get a lot of pushback,
but they wanted to see how much support they could get,
Like how much? Because I think that was almost more telling,
But go ahead, Well it is.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
It's about, you know, if you're going to develop an
accurate working model, you have to determine what's best case,
what's worst case, what's most likely, and so that they
can do their predictive programming for other social engineering programs
that may be introduced, so that that's how that works.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
And what do you think they're trying to do now.
I mean, I think that a lot of that has
backfired on them. I think they took it too far.
They backfired, and now now we're seeing I personally, I
think that some things are going too far to the
other side where they're really they really are hurting some

(33:25):
organizations by just bashing the people actually not organized people.
I think they're bashing some groups too much. Right, just
leave them alone. We're I'm a more of a libertarian,
So leave these people alone. You don't need to bash
the crap out of them and then try to change
society to be your to one hundred years ago. I mean,

(33:45):
it's almost like the people in the closet who want
society to be like it was one hundred years ago
or now feel empowered and are out there on social
media saying stuff that makes your jaw drop. So it's
almost like it went too far the other direction. What
was was that their goal? I mean, or did they
just screw up?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Well, I don't think they screwed up. I think they
know what they're doing. But you made a good point
about you know, the tranees are now the victims because
they are I mean, these are obviously mentally ill people.
That's pretty apparent. And but yet they're trying to talk
it like it this is a normal lifestyle, and and
they're they're they're they're pushing these things that are just

(34:25):
repellent to you know, the majority of the American people.
And you look at how small of a fraction of
the of the population are transsexuals. It's minute, it's a
minute portion. But you know, they they they got the
attention they wanted. But the bigger theme is is what
other social engineering efforts are going forth that we're seeing

(34:46):
embraced by you know, Fortune five hundred companies that that
are publicly traded that that they're doing. Uh, they're hiring decisions, Uh,
the whole esg thing that you know, they're they're forcing
all on boards of directors and the CEOs of all
these companies that they have.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
That's a big deal. Explain what this is because I
don't know if everybody understands when you hear that, what
that means and what the implications are of that.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
An environmental social governance and so you have to develop
a set of policies that are compatible there and so
environmentally you have to do all green things so we
have to support solar energy when using coal is so
much more cost effective, and so they're pushing these agenda
items in. Now. You know, I think solar energy is

(35:34):
a great concept. I love it, but it doesn't work
in a cost effective manner compared to other things out there.
But we don't want to create the carbon footprint. Well
we just watch Bill Gates reverse himself on the whole
global warming issue in the carbon footprint, you know, I mean,
you have to realize that they've been leading us down

(35:54):
a false path because carbon is not the enemy of life.
All of all life forms on this planet are carbon based,
and so carbon is the friend of life. In fact,
the more carbon dioxide in the environment, the greener things become.
And so you create more trees, you create more grass,
you create more woodlands and forest in these things.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
But they also learned that they could create this whole
story and they could get a good half of the
population to follow buy it matter whatever they do. As
long as they put the resources into it, they create
the science, they will get the buy in from half
the people as long as they commit themselves to it.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Well they do, and that is they're measuring the effectiveness
of their own marketing programs. And when you look at
how they control academia from K through twelve through postgraduate
at the college level, they control it all. The communist
slow marks through the institutions has really yielded fruit for

(36:57):
them over a fifty years sixty year period of time.
It's really done well for the lefties, for the for
the communist And you've got people out there who will
yell at you the pound on the desk that say,
no carbon is bad. We have to eliminate that. Everybody
needs to go electric. And you know, now we're finding
out that we don't have enough electricity to meet the
demands that that they're created. So everyone's power bills are

(37:21):
going up and everything is is going down.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It didn't, it's it just when you're when you look
at the science, that all falls apart. Yeah, there are
some city environments where aged the carbon footprint and is
too high because they don't have enough plants. But but
from a general world standpoint, it's stupid. It's plant food.
But and so anybody who is an honest scientist who's
smart enough, I don't know, maybe you don't they're not

(37:44):
smart enough. But when you look into it, it's pretty obvious,
but they pushed themselves too far. But you get to
the point though, where these organizations, these environments that you
have to be a faithful soldier and you can't go
against any of these lunacy you know, lunatic and ideas,

(38:06):
otherwise you're shut down and your your sideline. And that
gets to the credit score and the fear we have
on the credit score, because they'll use that as a
means of controlling people that might threaten their power, even
if they're right. I mean, even if you're one hundred
percent right and they know it, they'll still use it

(38:26):
against you because you threaten their power.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Well, that's how the whole cancel culture got it created.
Well you encounter this with YouTube when they canceled you, when.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
You've got to know it intimately.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, there you go. But that's
that's how they exert influence over people. That's how they
control the debate. If we go back to academia, if
you're a postgraduate study, you're a professor, you've got a position,
and you want grant money. You better write something that
they want because they control the money, they have the wealth.

(39:03):
You look at the other side, of this. You know,
we're underfunded and we're under organized. They're highly organized. They're
highly funded. You know, whatever they do, they make money.
Yet you know, our side struggles. I mean, our side
lives hand to mouth, and these guys can can put
in you know, plans, they can invest tens of billions
of dollars to promote their agenda. I mean, you know

(39:26):
this George Sorols guy, then this guy needs to be
taken out and hum, I mean, he's he's bad.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Do you think it'll switch? Do you think? I mean,
because it used to be that way, you know, just
good values. Wasn't this this ostracize? I mean it's like, wow,
everything's inverted. Do you think it'll go back to it
or do you think we're permanently on a different track.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I don't know. I think the coin is still flipping
in the air because they're really scrambling right now to
get control over the population. That's why they're forcing pallunteer issue.
That's why they wanted social control mechanism. That's why they
want a central bank digital currency so that they can

(40:09):
cuts you off financially, so you're starving in the street.
You know. Two weeks later after everything runs out, you know,
is they they want that level of control because people
are waking up, people are seeing the failure of their policies.
They're seeing the lunacy that we're talking about here. These
things just don't make sense. They don't benefit the American people.

(40:32):
They've undermined our republic. I mean, you know, I ran
for governor of Arizona back in the two thousand and
six election cycle, and one of the things I would
say every speech I gave, you know, everyone challenged you,
why do you want to be governor? And I said,
I want to find a method to do the greatest
good for the most people, the most cost effectively. And

(40:52):
so how do you do that? And that's why I'm
running because I don't see that happening with these other
candidates on the stage with me. What we've got here
is our government processes have been hijacked by a wealthy
group of voligarchs who are interested in nothing more than
increasing their own net worth and you know, controlling the

(41:13):
rest of the population. And that's that's what we're dealing
with here, and the American people have to get off
the sofa and start to push back.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I mean, which we have we're seeing people push well.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
We're seeing and that's why they're pushing so hard because
the more of us that wake up that more desperately
they need that control.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well, but you think that's why, I guess I want
to ask you quick. Do you think that's why they're
putting people like Nick foint As an Andrew Tate And
I'm sorry, but Tucker Carlson is starting to get put
some weird messages out there now too when he's associating
himself with those two. They're not huge supporters of it.
Seems like they're on They're part of this globalist, the

(41:59):
entrench globalist structure that are trying to make those of
us who've been fighting this not me. I don't think
I can anyone compares me to Nick Foantis or Andrew
Tator and these guys. But they're making Donald Trump. They're
making and maybe Donald Trump isn't the I don't know
what you think of him, but they're equating that whole
movement to these guys and they're breaking it up and

(42:21):
they're trying to create an extreme on the other side
so that because the left does look like such looney
bins that they're propping up the people who look like
looney bins on the other side. Really, you know, Nick
foentis talking about how women are inferior and they should
go back into the kitchen, and men are superior in
every single way, and that black people I anybody says

(42:44):
about black people. I mean, it's like what I mean
these and you know, Tucker Carlson just put on an
email saying that the patriarchy needs to come back. I mean,
it's like, what are we living in one hundred years ago?
I mean, it's it's like these people are purposely trying
to make these guys look nutty.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Well, they're trying to to discredit them, you know, is
one thing. But they this whole thing here is divide
and conquer.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yes, And so you look at you have the lunatics
on the left. Now they're trying to create lunatics on
the right. And so that way the country's do. Most
of the country is pretty much in the middle.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
They are, they're repulsed by that by both sides.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
They're pretty balanced in you but you know, there's some
things you see you can't unsee, and so when you
come to some realizations, you you have to embrace them
at well, boy, I never would have thought that in
a million years, but it looks like he's right now.
Whether that's a left leaning or a right leaning, it
doesn't matter. But they're they're they're trying to polarize the country.
So so we take to the streets and fight each other.

(43:50):
Meanwhile they lock us down tighter than ever because of
the civil of that.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's right, Yes, that's what they're doing. You have to
look at what else they're doing while they're distracting you
with all this be.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Magician's trick here. Look there's nothing in my hand, you
shake it. MEMI is doing something over here with this
other hand. You know that that's what they're doing here.
And the whole thing is is that the American people
are pretty fed up. I mean, we've been on a
downward spiral, you know. Financially it started with Nixon taking
us off the gold standard nineteen seventy one. I mean,

(44:23):
you look at how the dollar has lost its value
since then. That that's been a big deal. The other
thing that happened was the assassination of JFK at broad daylight.
We haven't had a president who had a backbone since then.
They're all gutless cowards because they don't want to be
the next guy to get their head blown off and
broad daylight, you know, I you know that that's the

(44:45):
other The third thing was nine to eleven, you know
that was that was really when when you know, the
toilet bowlt started circulating very fast, and since then we've
been on a downward spiral. It got us into two wars.
We spent eight nine trillion DO dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And what do we get for it? You know, what
we need in this country is we need a representative

(45:06):
government that promotes the interests of the American peoples, not
of the wealthy oligarchs who are trying to maintain their
position and their control. And that's what we're getting where
we've become an oligarchy. We're no longer a democratic republic
as our constitution calls for. And so these are the
problems that we are dealing with. And as I said,

(45:28):
you know, they're well funded. They've got more money than God,
they have more money than the Catholic Church. But we
on our side, we're just regular folks who are working
nine to five trying to make enough money. Take our
kid to the ballgame, and you know, so he can
play sports and stuff. We're the ones who are somehow
they perceive us as their enemy. We're not their enemy,

(45:50):
but they're not willing to protect our best interest, which
is what the role of our government is.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah, we aren't their enemy, right, I mean, the best
thing is for them to realize we're not there to
me and that they don't need to go to war
against us. And they got to stop wanting to control.
They already have enough money, more money than God. So
they have some weird.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Let me, let me explain the phenomena that you're seeing here.
What you're seeing is the guilty mind complex. There are
a lot of very wealthy people, and there's an old
saying that says, behind every great fortune is a great crime.
There's a lot of wealthy people out there who have
done some horrendously terrible things to other people to get
their money, and so they have the guilty mind. You

(46:33):
know the example I give you if you and I
are it's Christmas time, and you and I are out
Christmas shopping together and we're walking through the store and
I thought I'd put my glove in my pocket, but
I dropped it on the floor instead. The security guard
sees that and he picks it up, and he runs
up to me and says, excuse me, sir. And if
I'm a shoplifter and I see it, I go, holy shit,

(46:54):
I'm busted, and I bolt for the door. Okay, but
he's just trying to return the glove. If I'm an
innocent person, I turn around and say, well, thank you
very much. Our whole oligarch class is afraid of getting
busted for the crimes they've already committed against the people
to acquire their wealth. That's really a lot of what
is going on here. And once you realize that we're

(47:15):
dealing with a bunch of paranoid, wealthy people who are
afraid of getting sent to prison or worse for the
crimes they've already committed, then you have a really good
insight into what we're dealing with and why they view
us as their enemies.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay, that does make sense. But for the sake of humanity,
we have to figure out how to get past that.
And we're seeing a global economic shift. I want to
say one thing. I was on a plane just as
recently over the weekends, as you mentioned that is and
I was right next to a central maker from Afghanistan
and I had a long conversation. It was kind of incredible,

(47:52):
and he was one of the top He's trying to
get a job here. He was taken out. He's got
out of the country in twenty twenty two and he
is trying to get into finance here, but he's having
a really hard time because of his background. But I mean,
the whole thing was kind of surreal. This conversation. I
don't even know what to think about it. But he

(48:12):
was saying that what happened in Afghanistan the central banks
and he led this team. He's one of the top
bankers in the Central Bank of Afghanistan, and that what
they did before the Taliban took it over is they
were forced to put all of their bonds into American bonds.
This whole Taliban takeover was planned for a while and
why they did that was that then they could control

(48:35):
what the Taliban did from monetary policy by controlling all
the government bonds. So the United States has a control
financially over Afghanistan through that system. Meanwhile, though the Taliban
is doing all sorts of ugly things culturally, which they aban,
we don't care. We never cared about what they did. Culturally.
That was always the propaganda to get us to go

(48:57):
to war against somebody because obviously they don't care. But regardless,
when they the weapons all were released, remember when they
left all those weapons.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Eighty five billion dollars worth of hardware left behind, including
state of the art items that have been resold and
back engineered by other yes, yes and what so, and
sold the Mexican drug cartels for use on the border
against our military who's trying to seal the border.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
So yeah, they didn't. They didn't have a control mechanism
in place to control where these arms are going. But
his conclusion was they were using it to release it
to certain groups to go after the Chinese for their
Belt and Road initiative, and that that's what it was
intended for. But they were just careless and it went

(49:46):
to places like the Mexican you know, border, and probably
to the Chinese a lot of them themselves. It just
went everywhere scattered because they didn't they were idiots about
how they did it. But that's what he was saying
was what was in place, and they had many conversations
about it before it happened. The whole abandonment of that
those those military arms was not by accident, according to

(50:10):
him and what they had planned for it.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Well, I understand, but you just touched on something that
is key that everyone needs to understand.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
There's a big power competition going on right now between
the Western banking system and what is coming up as
the bricks.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
That's right, Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
The Belton Road initiative of China is key to this.
It's it's central and it's key. And the reason being
is the Belton Roade initiative eliminates the British stranglehold over
the sea lanes over all the uh you know. You
you look at you know, the Straits of Gibraltar, you
look at the Bosphorus, you look at the Straits of Malacca,

(50:51):
you look at uh uh straight of hard moves, all
of these things. You know, the British have controlled the
seas and controlled commerce by by control rowing the seas
for a couple of hundred years. Now the Chinese Belton
Road initiative makes that obsolete. So you have more efficient, faster,
more cost effective methods of transporting materials and goods around

(51:14):
the world with the Belton Road and the British via
the City of London, have controlled that for a very
long time. And if you know, I'm going to quote
Nomar Kadafi here who said that if you wanted to
end all wars and all terrorism globally, you can do
it within you know, two days, by dropping a fifty

(51:35):
megaton nuclear weapon on the city of London. That'll end
it all.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm not advocating that because I don't want to be
taken out again well channel, but he's rid of the
people who are controlling into the money behind the wars,
and it will end that.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
That was a quote by Molmar Kadaffi. And look what
they did to him as an end result. It wasn't
because he was a terrorist or that's because he was
building a Africa based back currency that was going to
displace the US dollar as a global reserve currency. That
that's why they did that. So but you know, Gaddafi
had it right. The city of London is probably the

(52:11):
greatest concentration of wealth and evil in this world, I mean,
and they're not going to let go easily, so that's
why you're right.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
So okay, so now what when they won't let it
go easily? And there is actually a legitimate force that
is providing competition to the global economic structure. What how
far will they go to maintain their power?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
What they will hold back? Nothing, They will go all in.
They will go all out, full thermonuclear war on the
whole planet if they have to. But they ain't let
them go because they they you know, they don't want
to be number two. They don't want to be number ten.
They want to be number one. They want to be
in control. They will do whatever it takes to maintain

(52:57):
that control.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Because they know what they did to maintain control, and
they don't want to be in a second position where
anybody does what they did to others to them.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
It is the guilty mind again at work. That is
a guilty mind complex. They know what they've done and
they know if they're not in charge, someone may do
it to them, and so they don't want to be
in that position.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
And that's rational.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
It is rational. But you know that, like I said,
there is a movement from a bipolar world from to
a monopolar world. Where the Soviet Union fell in the
United States, it was a monopolar world and now it's
moving into a multipolar world. Not two but three five,
you know, other global powers as well as significant regional powers.

(53:41):
And that's what's going and you know that can work,
but everybody has to agree to play nice. Everybody has
to quit agree agreeing that this is going to be
a rape and plunder economy. I mean, you look at
US foreign policy and dear God, I mean we're remember
when we were growing up, they talked about, oh, the
evil Union. They want to dominate the world, they want

(54:01):
to do all this. Well, we've become the bad guys.
Now the United States has become.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
To the rest of the world, right, we really.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
To the rest of the world. I mean, the rest
of the world is scared to death of us. You know,
they don't want to be invaded. They don't want to
be this, you know. I mean Putin did some brilliant
maneuvers releasing that a resink missile, giving a demonstration UKRAIND
what it can do. Then the Poseidon nuclear torpedo that
can create you know, five hundred meters tsunamis the new

(54:31):
missile they've got that could be a loitering missile for
we don't know the skyfalls what the Western name for
it is. I mean, these things are brilliant Putin is saying,
back off, We're not going to fall. We're not going
to let you do this anymore. And they're showing them
the tools that the United States does not have any
publicly displayed weapons that come even close to that are

(54:53):
publicly displayed weapons. Are you know, a generation two generations
behind what Putin is showing the world.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
But what you say publicly displayed, we have some pretty
advanced stuff that's not publicly displayed though.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yes, agreed. Now I'm taking you back to the nineteen
eighties when Reagan was in power and he had the
Strategic Defense Initiative, spent over a trillion dollars, and when
George HW. Bush got in power, it all went deep black.
I mean, you can't find I used to read the
trade publications. I used to keep up on this. I
could tell you all about X ray lasers, nuclear pumped

(55:27):
X ray lasers to take out ICBMs as they're leaving
the silos. But that's all when completely dark. Now, I'm
not saying that, but.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
It was at the beginning, Google like a Google search,
just when I started doing my journalism here, I started
doing my show and my business show, and then the
edge of change is the tent. Twelve years ago, I
could get to a lot of that information. I could
get to a lot better information. Now it's completely shut down.
I mean you should use AI to get to some
of that. You got to go to Yandex or these

(56:00):
foreign web browsers to get to university studies on advanced science.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yes, you do. It's become more difficult. They've really locked
down on it. And you know, nobody forget that. The
day before nine to eleven, what's his name Rumsfeld came
out and said, well, the Pentagon lost track of two
point three trillion dollars. All right, so George hw Bush
took that all dark. We're missing two point three triggion dollars.

(56:28):
Where do you think it went to? It went into
weapons research, It went into advanced things that this secret society,
the secret government that is coexisting alongside the public government
we have, is not talking about. It's not letting us in,
letting us peans who pay the bills in on.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Well, we used to be able to talk about, like
ten twelve years ago when I started, we were openly
talking about all this information, all these things would happen.
They shut all of us down and built up these
other people who seem like they're talking about stuff, but
they don't talk about any of this. That's why they're
allowed to be up there and get so much attention.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Well, I'll let me give you one small correction, and
that is you're seeing less of it now because you know,
there was always dark segments that were out of the
public scrutiny that I mean even you know, I've got
a good professional background in technology and stuff, but even
I couldn't get to I go to the trade shows,
I go to the conference, I go to the I

(57:31):
tripo E meetings in order to keep up on current
technologies and and you know, I could, you know, see
more of it than the average person because I attend
these companies and so. But always there was dark segments
that you couldn't see. I had a friend who worked

(57:52):
in Raytheon's weapon systems development laboratory, and I could even
go in the building. It's there's two whires. You yeah,
there's two sixteen foot fences around it. He's got to
go out, you know, and come in. You've got to
go through two fences come out. So I've taken the lunch,
you know, I mean, there's ultra secure. I mean, you know,
top of the line, this is a tuson Arizona, by
the way, and you know, you just there's stuff you

(58:15):
just can't see, and it's gone even darker. What they're
doing is they're cutting off as much information as they can.
They're reducing the technology, the access to technologies even further
because they don't want us to know.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
How do we differentiate between us and what probda was
and what the Soviet Union was. It seems as if
we are we are in a dark I always say
we're in the mid you know, medieval times or something.
We we are in a dark space, not much different
than the Soviet Union was when they controlled all information.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Well, you make an excellent point, and I'll tell you
how that's happened and why. You know, you look at
who runs our government now, the public government, who runs
our corporations, Look at the CEOs, look at the boards
of directors, look at who holds cabinet positions and things.
The grandsons and granddaughters of the Bolshevik Revolution and the

(59:11):
Soviet Union during those the communist era are now living
in America and they've infiltrated and they're now running our government,
and they're running our businesses. That's who's running it. Look
it up. Do your own homework on this, folks. I mean,
pull up any corporation, look at who their CEO is,
look at who their directors are. Look at that. Then

(59:33):
you cross references with publicly traded companies and you look
at the control that Black Rock, Vanguarden, State Street have
and you can see the level of control that is
being imposed upon us from the top down across all
of these different issues, all of these different things, and
it takes people some time to digest and comprehend what's

(59:54):
really going on. But this is what's happening. On the
bottom line is this we're controlled who we're dealing with
a criminal organization that has been around for a thousand
or more years. They know what they're doing, they know
how to do it. They know how to infiltrate a country,
they know how to take it over, they know how

(01:00:14):
to control the businesses. I mean, you look at the
freedoms in this country that we had in the seventies
compared to the freedoms we have in the country now,
it's gotten less and less and less. And they do
this because we're law abiding, we want to obey the laws.
I like the fact that there's speed limits on the

(01:00:35):
highways because I don't want some idiot driving one hundred
and twenty miles an hour. Well, I'm driving with my
friends and family down the road, you know, following the
speed limit seventy seventy five. I don't want this guy
endangering them or me or or anybody else but being
law abiding. They have encircled us with laws, so many

(01:00:57):
laws that you can't obey them. All you have less
and less freedom. You look at the border of Mexico.
If this was you know, nineteen hundred or earlier, you know,
the eighteen hundred, if you had Mexicans coming across the
border in that number, you'd have people out there engaging them,
take them up and sending them back because they're invading
your country, your land, your ranch. Now you can't do that.

(01:01:20):
We've delegated our personal responsibility for our own safety to
law enforcement and other agencies. If you would go down
there and do that today, that have you in jail
that evening. You know, it's just how we.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
See you feel helpless. Now, I think that's why they're
so You feel helpless, you feel you're not empowered, and
I think those of us like me. I'm like, I
just just leave me alone, let me do my thing,
and I would be much happier. But they are forcing
those of us to actually point this stuff out because
they're affecting our lives. If you just leave those of

(01:01:56):
us alone and give us our freedoms back and just
kind of things would change quite a bit wanted for
most people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Oh absolutely see. One of the keys to happiness is
the greater sense of control you have of your own life.
The happier you feel as an individual, and they're removing
that from us, and we have less and less and
less control. I mean, if you went back to nineteen
seventy nineteen eighty and you see someone in the grocery

(01:02:24):
store filling up their bag with you know, you know,
pride beef and walk out the door, you go, hey,
you you know you stop? You would intervene as an individual. Today,
everyone's afraid to do that because no one wants to
be sued, no one wants to be arrested. You don't
want to be the one to accost that person. They're
breaking the law, and you're intervening as a citizen to

(01:02:46):
make a citizen's arrest. You're going to be the one
to go to jail for stopping them, for interfering with them.
And so this is the society we've lived. This has
been constructed around us with the purpose of taking a
way our ability to fight back, to resist. You know,
the biggest thing that they're afraid of with the American people,
you got, you know, got four hundred million firearms in

(01:03:08):
this country floating around, and they're scared to death of that.
They still want to impose their agenda on us, but
they're afraid that if we organize and get pissed off
and if we're going to fight back, So they erected
a offense of laws, a prison of laws around us,
so that if we do fight back, we're we're the
one getting in trouble. How many people have shot an
intruder in their house and they go to jail because

(01:03:30):
they shot the guy. I know that, and then the
family of the perpetrator, the guy who kicked in your
front door to rob you and rape your wife. You
shot him. Oh, but he's only a seventeen year old kid,
and now his family wants to sue you because you
took his life prematurely. You shouldn't have done that even
though he was armed and broke into your house.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yes, so it's just the culture has changed a lot.
What do you and it's away from personal freedom. But
what are you seeing with as we wrap this up?
What are you seeing happening on the economy standpoint? The
dollar is the inflation is out of control? Are we
getting that? Are you seeing it coming under control? Do

(01:04:11):
you see you know, like others where they're purposely going
to inflate the dollar for us to get out from
under our debt and move to bitcoin, moved to goldback.
What are you seeing in a summer here?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Well, in sum what I see is that the US
economy is doomed. This began back when the laws were
written under George W. Bush but implemented signed by Bill Clinton,
and that is we let China into the wto NAFTA
and GAT and since then we de industrialize our country.

(01:04:45):
We shipped between thirty five and forty miging jobs overseas
to China to take in Mexico to take advantage of
low cost labor, and they gutted the American manufacturing base,
so we lost our ability to create value, to create well,
and since then we've been running bigger and bigger deficits.
It's going to continue. But the dollar and COVID was

(01:05:08):
a real shot in the arm that they really dumped
a lot of liquidity and that really is what caused
this inflation cycle that we're in now by using COVID
and the money. Well, actually it started back even further
than that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
But COVID was a big thing, right because the nine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
To eleven was also nine eleven was also another big
one because the economy was failing under George W. Bush.
And so when nine to eleven happened, they dumped a
lot of money in the economy and they created, you know,
two hundred and fifty three hundred thousand new jobs by
creating a new agency called the TSA.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Well they did that, and they also dumped a lot
of money in two thousand financial crash. They did another.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Let me finished, is that they pumped up their numbers. Well, look,
employment is surging because we have all these new jobs.
Well they're all government jobs that are paid for by taxpayer.
They're not creating anything that's a value. We're not creating
a widget that we're going to sell to someone else
on the planet. You know, where we're creating these self

(01:06:08):
perpetuating jobs, and you know, you've got this TSA and
so they created a whole new institution out there. But
they headed the bet for George W. Bush made it
look like he was performing well when he was when
he was one of the worst presidents ever. His performance
was abysmal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Well, and that's why. But that's why they're trying to
bring back manufacturing, right, They're trying to build up AI
as US being a base. So they're trying It seems
like for once we do have somebody an administration trying
to do something to rebuild the foundation of this country,
whereas I haven't seen a president in decades that was

(01:06:46):
actually trying to rebuild the foundation of this country. Whether
you like him or not, he's talking about rebuilding manufacturing,
he's talking about building up AI. What do you think
about that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Well, I think what he's doing by trying to re
industrialize the country is absolutely the right thing. But you know,
we we sort of have an opportunity here, and that
opportunity is, you know, we exported thirty five to forty
million jobs to China and other jurisdictions around the world.
Those jobs aren't going to come back. We don't want

(01:07:18):
to be in that business anymore. So we have to
create new industries that we want to be in. Uh,
you know, we we have to take advantage of things
like putting up orbital platforms that we can grow material
science stuff up there Galley Marstein you know, three five elements,
and change our semic inroductions from silicon based to Galley
Marsteine based. You know, we you know, you look at

(01:07:40):
we exported all of our pharmaceuticals to China and India,
so we we don't build the old pharmaceuticals. We build
new pharmaceuticals that are in a gravity free environment.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
We do see, yes, yeah, we do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Things that there isn't any competition for. We don't want
to get into a cop ta you with China over
who's going to build bicycles, because that'll be a race
to the bottom. We want to create new things, new industries,
new opportunities which we could.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Be good at. Right. We're entrepreneurial minded.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
We're excellent. We're there the the you know, the Americans
are the best innovators in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
If we're unleashed, do you think that's part of the
control structure because they're shutting down that creative entrepreneurial spirit.
By taking a way of our power and making us helpless,
that shuts down the entrepreneurial spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Well, and again, I'm glad you brought that up, because
if you're a young entrepreneur today and you come up
with a new method, a new Facebook or a new
uh would you call it a new VP, and a
new method of securing your communications on the Internet or something,
what's going to happen to you is you're not going

(01:08:53):
to take it to an I P O. The IPO
model has become outdated because what happens is you'll have
some bigger company like a Google or a Facebook or
Meta as they call it now, or one of the
big ones will come in a Microsoft that they'll come
in and say, wow, great technology, what are you going
to do with it? We're going to have an IPO
or it is. Well, tell you what, if you do

(01:09:14):
an IPO, You've got all this exposure around here for
your public offering. If you don't perform, you know, things
can go bad for you. Why don't we buy your
company for ten times what you'll make on the IPO
and you can come in and you can run the
division for a while, but you can retire to a
couple yeares and go enjoy your life. So they're buying
out the entrepreneurs, and that's the new model because they've

(01:09:37):
got contract tradtions of wealth they can afford to pay
ten times they get on an IPO.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
But this has been like this for a while, that
they buy the entrepreneurs out. They don't even try. They
look for entrepreneurs and projects that buy because they know
they can't build it internally because they're too bureaucretic. And
in anytime you get to be a bureau credit company,
you need to look outward to to entrepreneurial companies that
you can buy. And so this has been the process

(01:10:03):
for a while. The problem is is they buy them
and shelve them and do nothing with them, or they
buy them and control them and whatever. The buying and
controlling it and implementing and themselves to me is less
of a problem than buying and shelving it and shutting
down creativity and the advancement.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Of Well that you made the point that I was
going to make into the words right out of my mouth,
Because if they've got an industry sector that's generating good,
good returns, for them. Why would they create their own competitor.
Let's just shelf it. We can always dig it out
later if someone else comes along, but we'll shelf it
for a year, ten years, maybe forever, but while we

(01:10:45):
melt the cash cow that's working for us. Now, that's
all part of the business calculus on this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Well, that's why free enterprise. It's important that free markets
don't operate that way because then we flourish. And once
they start to get to this oligarchy type level, which
is what you're explaining here, then that shuts down creativity, entrepreneurship,
and the expansion of free markets, and we are undermining
our own ability to get ourselves out of the mess

(01:11:11):
that we have described here because of that phenomena.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Well, that and they're doing other things to our country
as well. But you're exactly correct. They are doing what
the Soviet Union failed to do, and they're doing it
with capitalism as their engine instead of communism as their engine.
And they're using capitalism to crush the capitalist system by
buying entrepreneurs and shelving them. Then other thing that they're

(01:11:35):
doing is they're changing the demographics of our country. And
this started back in nineteen sixty five with the Heart
Seller Act, when they we wrote who could immigrate into
the US, and they changed the complexion. We went from
being a ninety percent white country now we're about a
fifty percent white country. And so they're they're drowning out

(01:11:57):
the people who have the most native potential, the most industry,
the hardest working, the most diligent people, and that they're
bringing in people who are Third world losers essentially. I mean,
you know, the the illegal immigrants were coming in. They're
illiterate in their own language.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I will say, and let me let me paraphrase, because
you know, I'm married to a Hispanic brilliant and creative,
and it's like the entrepreneur spirit. But those people tend
not to leave their countries, a lot of them. That's
what you're trying to get at. It's not a you're
trying to get at the point that the best and
the brightestn't aren't always They're not getting that because we Honestly,

(01:12:36):
I don't mind getting the best and the brodies from
the world. I just don't want to get everybody's crime.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I'm welcome them, But like I said, we're getting the
people who couldn't make it any place else, and and
they're coming in here and they're signing up and they're
getting into the welfare state. That's one thing this EBT
problem did is when you look at you know how
many illegals are here collecting benefits that were intended for
American citizens. Uh, that's a huge problem. And we've got

(01:13:02):
to cut. Like I said, we're getting people in the
country who are illiterate in their own language. You know
that we're not getting the doctors, We're not getting the attorneys.
I'm not get the engineers, we're not getting the scientists.
They're staying where they're at well and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
The countries are happy to give us who they're giving us.
I did somebody else on my program and he was
talking he's the CEO of the Well. He stepped down
now he's just a chairman, but of the Ocean Integratory Group,
which takes cleans up the world's oceans. They clean up
more plastics out of the oceans in a week than
the next largest company does in a year. And he
was saying, because he talks the world leaders all over

(01:13:36):
the world, and he was telling me that these world leaders,
we don't know what you're doing because we're happy that
they're leaving our country. We don't want them here, and
the people are we just think you're idiots essentially for
bringing these people in, because they're not the people we
want here anyways, that's what they're saying behind closed doors.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Well it's true and know, but yet they're here and
we have to deal with them. And that's one of
another thing that I wish Trump would pick up the
pace on. But he's getting really stiff resistance from these
judges who want to give the rights constitutional rights of
Americans to people who are in this country illegally. You know,

(01:14:18):
they didn't follow the process, so they should not be
entitled to the rights of an American because they didn't
follow the process. Why do we have to give them
due process on the way out when they broke into
the country. We just want to throw them back out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Well, but you know what's going on though, right this
was just the scools. I'm gonna have one of the
Dolge people come on. They're using the you know, giving
immigrants ten thousand dollars paying for all their stuff. They're
using those programs to funnel money back into their program.
It's a money laundering scheme. To fund their state governments,
and they're using the immigrations to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
A lot of that is I mean, Gavin Newsom is
you know, he's going to be exposed here pretty quickly
for what they've been doing with the Medicare I'm sorry,
Medicaid payments that that are going in. How they're they're
funding healthcare for illegal aliens. That's why the Democrats held
this thing up where they wanted one point five trillion
dollars added to the budget so that they could continue
the Medicaid funding healthcare for illegal immigrants because they are there.

(01:15:14):
They're propping up the blue states who have been not
productive with their with their policies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Let's just say, okay, well, where can people find those
two reports that you did, because that's pretty and talk
about what those reports. That's how they're industrialized. They're using
the military industrial build up to back the economy. Talk
a little bit about what these uh these.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Papers, Well, the two papers are one it is called
Strategic Downsizing and the other is Beyond Empire. They're available
on the intel drop dot org, so you can find
them there. They're they're both out there published. They're they're
good papers. Really, what it does is we can't our

(01:16:01):
government because we're having difficulty funding treasury auctions, We're not
going to be able to borrow. So that's that's a
problem for the US. You know, the global credit market
is drying up for US treasuries. So what's going to
happen when the US government has to live on the
money that's generated by tax revenue? And so what I
did is I put together a model that allows us

(01:16:23):
to live on a two hundred billion annual defense budget,
not a one trillion dollar defense budget, which is way
too much. But what it does is it repositions, you know,
the military spending so that we have a leaner, more effective,
more cost effective military that that would prevent this foreign

(01:16:45):
adventurism that we're so keen on, you know, and allow
us to still defend the North American continent and protect
the American people and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
I take them our country right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Well, the excess money eight hundred billion a year that
would be saved, it's got a five year off, a
phase in period. It goes from one trillion over five
years we get down to two hundred billion. But it
allows the money that is not spent on defense to
be reinvested into infrastructure in this country. We need a
new power grid. The one we have is worn out
and very vulnerable. One EMP in the country goes dark,

(01:17:20):
you know, So you know, how do we get around this.
We need to improve our highways, our airports. Anybody who's
been through al Guardia or Chicago hairs. These airports are
dumps compared to what other countries have. And you know,
our highway system is decaying, Our rail system needs to
be greatly expanded and improved. Our schools are failing. We
need more money for that. I mean, there's just a number.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
The obstacles to them looking at a solution like what
you put forward of them actually doing it. I know,
the power of the military industrial complex is so is
so enormous, But is there a point where they start saying,
you know what, we got to look at some of
these solutions that these brilliant American citizens are coming up with.
Do you think that would have a shot and at

(01:18:05):
least part of it being implemented and looked at.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Well, what I tried to do is I look at
space exploration as a better investment than the war machine.
Now you fire and missile, it's used once it blows up,
you know, you got nothing left. If we invest in infrastructure,
if we invest in space exploration. No, there's no reason

(01:18:28):
in the world we shouldn't be mining the asteroids. There's
no reason in the world we shouldn't have a colony
on Mars to find out what's there that that can
be of benefit to mankind. We should be able to
go out and that. It doesn't put the defense contractors
out of business. It retools them into a more functional
and more productive sector than the business of war and

(01:18:51):
killing other human beings.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
So you know, you look at that as a more
productive way to do things at it. It kind of
makes sense because if you build, let's say, instead of
building you know, you know missiles, you know these uh
you know Trumps were talking about Tomahawks. Instead of building
Tomahawk missiles or ICBMs or you know, am rams or

(01:19:14):
any other the missiles that the US uses, you know,
build a spacecraft that can have multi mission capability. You
can use it multiple times, you don't have to use
it once it's useless. You know, you have an infrastructure
there that's going to have a residual value that pays
off for It makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
It makes it so do you think we're evolving to
the point where war becomes an archaic I mean, we
need to have defense, but it becomes an archaic, loser
kind of investment. We're only people who are not evolved.
Actually look at that, whereas exploration and science and what
you're talking about building our infrastructure is a much more enlightened,

(01:19:55):
evolved thing to do. Do you think humanity is evolving
so we can get out of this death war cycle?

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Well, I think humanity is evolving and wants to get
out of this death war cycle. Humanity does. However, we
have a problem with the Western banking system centered in
the city of London, who has controlled the sea lanes
and all commerce on this planet as a result, who
wants to resist and like I said, they're willing to

(01:20:24):
go to all out theirmal nicular war to maintain their control.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
We've evolved past them. Humanity has evolved past the controllers,
and they don't know what to do and the war.
That's why they see us as an enemy is because
we have evolved past their mentality.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Well, they can't control us, and that's why they're so
desperate to get a social credit score and get a
central bank digital currency and that you have to rely on.
They want to eliminate cash because they're afraid they don't
know what to expect if they lose control, and they
know how brutal they've been and controlling other people. They

(01:21:02):
don't want someone to do that to them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
So that's a fair assessment, I mean, honestly. But I
can understand that because human beings, you're worried that if
someone else gains power, they're going to be brutal to
And I can understand that fear. But the same standpoint,
we have to evolve. We've got to get out of
this quagmire that they have us in that's holding us back.

(01:21:25):
But thank you, Mike, I love these conversations. Thank you
for joining me. And where can they find those papers again?

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
The intel drop dot org. It's they're just you know,
you can type into my name and you can see
a munch of interviews I do, papers I've written. Other
things are there. But the two that you're referencing are
called strategic downsizing is one of them, and the other
it's called beyond Empire and how to build a sovereign

(01:21:53):
world that is more productive demandkind. It's time. Like I said,
I've done that work. It's out there. You can read it.
It makes sense, it's it gives a it will if
you read both papers, it will take you from a
sense of despair to a sense of optimism that we
can do this. We can do this. I mean one

(01:22:16):
of the things I also always say is that you know,
we have problems. We've got some severe problems. We have
no problems we can't fix if we have the political
will to do them. And the hard part is how
do we motivate the population to want these changes, to
want to embrace these new things that are going to
be better for not just you and me, but everybody
on the planet. That's right, As Reagan said, all ships

(01:22:41):
rise with the tide, and so we've got to elevate
all of humanity to a higher level so that we
are able to go out and explore this the immediate
solar system and even beyond as our technology evolves. We've
got to unleash, as you said, the entrepreneurial spirit in
this country and global and be willing to work with

(01:23:01):
each other. I mean, this the whole silly for going
on with Russia right now, and they're making noise about China.
Russia should be one of our best trading partners, you know.
I mean China already is we've become dependent upon it,
but Russia should too. They've got a lot to offer.
They've got really and you also.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Don't want to bomb your trading partner, right, I mean
with keeping us from going to war with China for real,
is that they're like, I don't want to bomb my supplier.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
No, you know I don't either, but you know they
paint these boogeymen out there to keep us. I mean,
the whole part of the whole motive of the Cold
War was to keep justifying defense spending, you know, at
high levels, because oh, we've got this evil so these
evil communists are going to come get us. I mean,
it's really kind of silly, actually you look back at it,

(01:23:51):
and I'll tell you one of my theories is this
is that during the Cold War, we're putting all these
money in ICBMs and nuclear weapons. I'll be willing to
bet you fifty bucks at half of them are loaded
with dummies and wouldn't fire if you if you tried
to anyway, because why are they going to build a
weapon that they're never going to use? They knew they
weren't going to use. They knew they weren't going to
do so they.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Could use as a money laundering scheme.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Actually, is there missile in the silo? If you press
the go button, we'll launch. Maybe maybe not. We don't know.
We don't want to find out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
We don't well, we don't want to find out anyways.
But okay, Well, thank you so much, Mike. I really
appreciate you joining the program.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Well, thank you, Sarah. It's always a pleasure. Thank you
so much.

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