Dead Sea Scroll Prophecies, Enoch, Rapture and Final Jubilee with Dr. Ken Johnson (Part 1) - The Sharpening Report - Fringe Radio Network

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Today we welcome back to the show our very good
friend Ken Johnson, who has authored numerous books and translations

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having to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient history
and prophecy. Today We're going to look at some prophecies
from within these ancient texts that may shed some light
on how close we are to the rapture and how
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let's welcome doctor Ken Johnson back to the show. How
are you doing, Ken?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Doing good?

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Thanks for having me on your show.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, absolutely, thanks for coming on and thanks for being
able to do it on such short notice. I've been
trying to schedule as many of these as I can
before I move. The audience already knows well if people
are viewing for the first time. I'm moving to go
work at Prophecy Watchers and I'll be there next week,
so I've been trying to cram in as many interviews

(09:06):
as I can before that, So really appreciate you taking
the time for this.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Congratulations, I'm going to prophecy watchers.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I'm really excited about it. It's going to be great. Well,
let's jump right in. So one thing that people seem
really interested in is Enoch's apocalypse of weeks. Can you
give us some background on what this prophecy is and
what are some key points that stand out to you.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Well, it's a prophecy found in the Book of Enoch,
and basically he takes all of human history the scenes
and almost everyone earlier pre flawed post flawed, up to
the time of the Messiah had a calendar, and they
basically taught that there'd be seven thousand years of human history,
six thousand of human and then like one thousand year

(09:52):
millennial reign of the Messiah. Same thing that's taught in Revelation,
and so we usually break it up in sets of
ages of two thousand years or millennia, you know, like
six thousand years.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Which is what the symbol of the Sabbath basically taught
six working days and one day to rest, and so
Enoch did a little bit different.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Each day was a century, and so you have a
week of centuries, so seven hundred years. So he would
break it up into like the first seven hundred years,
the second seven hundred years, and so on. But in
each one of those he talked about the Temple being built,
or the Messiah coming, or the Kingdom age or things
like that. So they're very fascinating, they're very accurate, and

(10:38):
just some really big prophecies for that seven hundred year
time period.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Excuse me, where are we in that prophecy and how
can we actually tell?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
One of the things is in the last seven hundred years.
It talks about a judgment and gives you some information
that we're talking about a thousand year period that puts
us the three hundred years into the other or the
previous day or week. And so what's interesting about it
is it puts us into within the last couple of

(11:12):
hundred years, the time for the beginning of the millennium.
So there's several other books and several other scrolls that
talk about that. So we're getting very very close to
the Last Jubilee, the time when most of the prophecies
would be fulfilled, and then the time of the Second Coming,
which had start the Kingdom Age.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, which is really exciting, And when I looked into it,
I was blown away to find out. I believe that
we're right in the middle of the ninth Week in
that prophecy, and when you do the timing, the middle
of the ninth week is twenty twenty five, well between
twenty thirty five twenty forty six, somewhere around there. But
so we're like right on the doorsteps of that, which
is really really amazing. There's a couple of more obscure

(11:56):
prophecies that you found, and I believe it was in
the Apocalypse of Ezra But correct me if I'm wrong.
Having something to do with our food and a problem
with our memories in the end times, Can you explain
that whole prophecy and how that probably connects with our
time today.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, it's in the Israe apocalypse, but it's actually in
some scrolls and several other places, probably five or six
different places. It's just one of the prophecies of the
end times. There's atmospheric things, there's wars, there's earthquakes, There's
all sorts of different kinds of prophecies, but one of
them is that we begin to develop problems with our

(12:34):
health because of the kind of food we're eating and
or what we're breathing or toxins of some sort. The
basic teaching is that if you eat the proper herbs
and you eat a proper diet and get plenty of exercise,
which that was easy back then, that you basically can
live to be one hundred and twenty. And most of
the scrolls and even Josiphas and other people from the

(12:57):
first century said that the average gen I live to
be about sixty, the average Pharisee maybe seventy or so.
The average is seen lived to be one twenty, just
like they did back in Abraham's time or shortly thereafter.
And so this whole idea of eating proper herbs and
that kind of stuff. So then there's a set of
prophecies that talk about it gets bad at the end times.

(13:21):
So each church, for instance, or group of people is
supposed to have a pastor who has a heart for
the Lord, a prophecy expert, and an herbal medicine expert.
If you don't have those three people in leadership, you
don't really have a church. So I just thought that
was interesting the way they talk about it. But some
of the things are we developed this odd form of forgetfulness,

(13:44):
and of course everybody gets a little. I'm doing the
same thing. I'm in my fifties, almost sixty, but I
will forget stuff. I'll stop for a minute and think,
wait a minute, but Josh Peck, that's his name. I'll
do this kind of stuff. But I remember what I'm
talking about. It just takes a set to come and then.
But with stuff like Alzheimer's, once it's gone, it's gone.

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I don't know who you are, and I never will
remember who you are. Those memories are actually gone. So
it talks about that kind of thing, and it says
it's because of the evil of our generation, which to
me means greed. And we have things like e cyitotoxins
that are put in the food that make you think
you like the food better so that you buy some more,

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eat more, and that's wonderful for the pocket book. If
I'm selling you something, you'll get more of my stuff.
But it kind of makes you reminds you of the
drug dealer that gives you a free sample to get
you hooked and then charges you and then you'll steal, kill,
do anything to get it. So it's kind of a
legalized form of that, I guess. And so no specifics

(14:51):
in exactly what it is, but it's about because of
the evil of the age, we have problems with food,
we have problems with other things, and there is an
unnatural forgetfulness, and there is unnatural anxiety and several other
things like that. The scrolls talk about the whole idea

(15:11):
of going back to agriculture, growing your own herbs, things
like that to continue to live a good lifespan. So
it's fascinating to look at that. It even talks about
aging process begins to get worse. So if you think
about it, pre flood, we had lived to be seven
to eight hundred, nine hundred years old. Post flood will

(15:34):
live to be about four and then about four or
five generations into it, something else happened, and then we
began to live two hundred and it kind of trickled down.
But the one twenty is just kind of standard for
us now or should be. And there's actually about six
or seven different ethnic groups around the globe that still
live to be one twenty because of how they eat

(15:55):
and what they do. So it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, it's it's amazing how that was predicted so long ago.
I don't know if I'm remembering this right, this is
this is just off my memory, which it's fading too so.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
But wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
It might have been in a different place or a
totally different book, But I thought it might have been
in the Ezrae apocalypse.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Wasn't there something about.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Like babies will start speaking like earlier than the than
the normal or something.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, there's several several of those. I think one of
them might be in the Azra Apocalypse too. That's part
of the aging process. It said that the babies would
start speaking before one year old. That doesn't necessarily mean
carrying on a college age conversation. But and I'm not
sure where we're at now. Some of the stuff was

(16:40):
babies would be born at four months and live. You know,
it used to be the a seven month premature baby
at seven months probably won't live. And now it's like, oh,
that's a done deal unless there's something weird. It depends
on what caused the spontaneous abortion. But six months and
then there's been a few at five. But that's really

(17:02):
cutting it close. But our technology keeps going. But it
talks about babies being born speaking about one year or so.
It talks about people like most of us gray at
forty or fifty or maybe sixty if you're lucky, at
great early in my forties. But it talks about people
graying in their twenties, and so the whole concept of

(17:25):
the lifespan and just station periods, the whole thing goes down.
So you can figure this if you look at the
post pre flood world. They started having kids at one
hundred and thirty years old and they live to be
about nine hundred. Today. You could probably father or give
birth successfully at thirteen and we live to be ninety.

(17:47):
So it's basically the same ratio just kind of ran down.
So apparently that happens again. So the whole idea, to me, though,
I thought is interesting about that, is that if you
have something like that happen, the idea of it taking
generation after generation going down a year and then a
year and then a year means the Lord's not coming

(18:08):
back for a few hundred years. And I don't believe that.
I think the Lord's coming back pretty quick. So that
makes it sound like, in addition to food and tosin
is kind of giving us diseases, somebody tries to do something,
maybe through some sort of genetic manipulation to fix a
disease or something, and it causes a backwards aging or

(18:30):
something like that. It's just kind of it doesn't say,
but for something like that to happen and it be
completely fulfilled and say like a seven year period or
in the next five years or something, that would be
pretty it have to be something like that. So we
need to very carefully watch our medicine. And that's what
the scrolls talked about a lot of times. The whole

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idea of the Book of Hagee to have herbs that
fix your problems or keep you healthy. And they believed
in the so the whole idea of genetic experiments causing
the mixtures of species, but also some of them didn't
work out so well, so there's always problems. And the
concept was that somehow, towards the end of our age,

(19:15):
they begin to bring back what they call me ful
of medicine, so things dealing with genetics. I'm not saying
if they have a genetic cure that's going to fix
your lungs or let you see again or whatever, that
you shouldn't do it, but it's that's the crossroads where
you have to start looking very careful at what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, wow, that's that's a good way to describe it.
Nethhyl of medicine. And we're seeing a lot of advancements
in technology, genetics. I mean, it's getting really bad. And
you know, I wonder if it's this bad now when
we actually have Christians on the earth and the Holy
Spirit is in Christians. Imagine after the Rapture, how much
worse it's going to get, you know, the greed and
the corruption and how much worse. And speaking of that,

(19:58):
there's something that you brought up before out the Rapture
and this idea of shining or the shining ones that
show up in the Dead Sea squirrells in the Book
of Daniel. Can you explain that and where do these
references show up? Who are these shining ones? And what
does that have to do with the rapture?

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Well, remember the Lord at the amount of transfiguration. He
was walking along and all of a sudden, Enoch and
or no Moses and Elijah showed up and they were
all transformed and kind of in glorying form or glorified form.
And then after that event everything was kind of normal.
So we get an idea the glorified form actually gives

(20:37):
off light, and you see that in a couple of
other places. The scrolls talk about a time when the
Messiah was in Cumran and the Pharisees came down to
arrest him, but it wasn't yet his time, and it
simply says he manifested and they left. So we have
the same kind of thing when they go to arrest
him and he says, I am and they all fall back.

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So there's really interesting things about that. But in Daniel twelve,
that's one of the things that I think is probably
the easiest scripture to see a pre trip rapture, and
because the whole concept is it talks about there's a
time where there's a resurrection and then there are shining ones.
So Paul tells us the resurrection and the rapture happens

(21:22):
at the same time in the twinkling of an eye,
and so whenever this happens, there are people in their
glorified bodies. And then it talks about the righteous at
that point shine like the stars, and some of that
is idiomatic, but it actually has a reference to the
glorified form. And then it talks about from the time
of the resurrection, which also includes the rapture. Three and

(21:45):
a half years later is the abomination, desselation and the
starting of the persecution, and then it says the persecution
lasts not twelve hundred and sixty but twelve hundred and
ninety days. And so I'm not sure exactly how they overlap,
but it shows us that it's two separate time periods.
There's a twelve sixty and then there's a twelve ninety,

(22:07):
and they kind of go back to back or overlap
a little bit. But if you have a rapture, resurrection
and basically three and a half years to an abomination
and basically three and a half years more or less
to when everything is fixed, that's a pre trip rapture.
So it's fascinating just to kind of see that. Most

(22:28):
of us we go to Second Thessalonians chapter two, and
Paul explains it very well then, but a lot of
people that are not pre trib have come up with
ideas on why the revealing of the Antichrist is really
this or really that, And if you plug in Daniel twelve,
it's pretty much a done deal.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I totally agree, and you and I are both
pre trip rapture believers. And we actually have a viewer
question relating to this, and we'll get more into viewer
questions a bit later, but since this one is so
similar to my question, I wanted to bring it up here.
So I'll read herds and then I'll read mine after.
But Shanna wrote, he has addressed it in detail on
more than one occasion before, but maybe he can touch

(23:10):
on his studies of the pre trib beliefs of ancient
writers alive long before the quote Darby invented it nonsense
that cycles around repeatedly, and so that's her question. My question,
which is very similar, is do you believe that the
Dead Sea Scrolls and possibly other ancient texts such as
from the ancient church fathers, teach pre triber rapture, And

(23:32):
if so, what would be the best few examples that
you could bring up?

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Actually, yeah, there's quite a few. The problem I think
comes from being in a denomination that believes a certain way,
and then if you find evidence the contrary, you just say, well,
that has to be symbolic or whatever, because if it is,
I've got to change my way of thinking. I've actually
had people tell me that because the whole idea of
Israel coming back fulfilling prophecies. They say, well, it's not

(23:58):
possible because we're Israel, Okay, And I understand that kind
of theology, and that actually makes a little bit of sense,
at least up until nineteen forty eight. But when I
point out the fact that they were supposed to come
back and they did, and not only that they were
supposed to come back on a specific date and they did,
So how do you wrap your head around that? And

(24:19):
I was actually told by one guy it's like, well,
we don't know, but it just flat has to be
a coincidence because otherwise our denomination is wrong and we
are not going there. And it's just like, okay, that's
almost fair as Sadducey talk. That's kinging on blasphemy there.
So when Messiah comes and he's not exactly who you

(24:41):
thought he was, and you thought your denomination was correct
and it's not, change denominations is fallen Messiah. None of
us are correct one hundred percent. But whatever Messiah says
when he comes, just do it. But the same kind
of thing happens with this idea. It's like, well, Darby
made it very, very popular, and before that it wasn't

(25:02):
known very well. But you've got to remember, in the
Middle Ages, almost everyone was Catholic, okay, a Catholic Eastern Orthodox,
and there's always been people that have believed differently, but
the vast majority, at least of books that we have
and things, all taught Catholic doctrine, you know. And so
that's like saying, well, in the Middle Ages, everybody prayed

(25:24):
to Mary, so we should pray to marry. Well, no,
I'm not Catholic. And there were people before the Catholics,
you know, in the first century that made comments like
Mary's not a goddess. We don't pray to dead people.
It's a horrible sin, you know, this kind of thing.
And they might be right and they might be wrong,
but that's what they said. And it's the same thing

(25:45):
with that. You've got several references in the Ezra Apocalypse
about a group of people that are taken away before
the destruction comes and if you are here and if
you manage to survive that tribulation period at the end
of it, you'll see that group of people come back,
you know. And there's a lot of things like that.

(26:05):
Even in the Book of Enoch, it talks about a
group of people that come and go and come back,
and a lot of people talk about, well, why are
we so special we would get out of tribulation, and
we're not special, and it just happened to benefit from
God's plan. The whole concept, according to the Book of Enoch,
is that it's to engender repentance. So the whole idea

(26:26):
that everybody knows this wacky rapture idea, which is ridiculous,
and then all of a sudden millions of people disappear.
They're going to say, Okay, it's not so ridiculous. It's
the last ditch effort to help you to understand the
prophecies are real so that you can possibly get saved.
And that's basically what the scrolls are talking about. But

(26:47):
you've got iron Aus and Hippolytus, you've got the Epistle
of Barnabas, you've got several people that talk about that.
There's even a reference to a pretty clear reference actually
say three clear references to a pre trip rapture in
the dedicate, and there's other first century Testaments, and then

(27:09):
there's a few other things like that real early on,
but even in the Middle Ages, like fifteen, sixteen and
seventeen hundreds before Darby, there are a lot of people
that talked about, if we're reading this right, Israel has
to come back. And then there's a time of what
they call the catching away or wrapped ript they use

(27:29):
different terms, it's whatever language they were from, but the
concept of some sort of a harpodzo taking away. So yeah,
you can debate whether there's a pre trip rapture, but
you can't debate that it was taught before. I mean,
that's like me saying I think the King James Bible
was invented in the nineteen fifties. Well, we all have

(27:49):
grandfathers and grandmothers that have had King James Bibles. It's
got to go back at least a couple hundred well
at least one hundred years, you know, So you can't
say that kind of stuff. There's too much evidence.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, I totally agree, and and it's it's I think
it's really telling when you see people online that are
just flat out against the pre trip rapture. They think
it's like a doctor and the demons and all this stuff,
and they'll use the most extreme language that they can.
And usually, you know, when you see most pre Trier

(28:22):
rapture believers.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know, nobody's perfect. You're gonna get it on all sides.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
But from at least the people that I've interviewed and
talked to about it, and and the way that I
try to be is, you know, we just don't fight
about it, and we just talk about it, you know,
like we're talking about But yeah, some people get like
really really upset. And usually I find usually when emotion
starts getting into it, when somebody has to passionately, you know,
and angrily about their opinion, a lot of times it's

(28:50):
because there's not as much fact to back it up,
so they have to supplement it with emotion, which kind
of tells me that's that's probably not that that's probably
a sign that maybe at least this person it doesn't
have as much information as they think that they do.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
There's actually there's actually an early church father that predicted
signs of the end, you know, like earthquakes and stuff,
pulling from scriptures. One of the unique things that he
mentioned is that there would be much contention about his coming.
That's really all they said. But now that we're in
this time period, we can see that because if I

(29:24):
was to say I thought the Maygog war was at
the end of the tribulation, or it was before it
was thirty years before. You'd say, probably, I don't see
it that way, but whatever, And we could argue that,
I mean, mentioned stuff like that all day long, and
neither one of us had get upset. But when you
say pre trips, all of a sudden, we're ready to fight.
And I just thought that was fascinating that the early

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church father his name was Isaiah, said the same thing.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Wow, yeah, that really is I didn't know that. That's fascinating. Well,
we're definitely seeing that today. You put together a phenomenal
book called Gad the Seer, and many people might not
have heard that name before. Who was Gad the Seer
and what did he prophesy? And how might that connect
with events that we're seeing play out today.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Well, it was fascinating because in the Bible, back in
chronicles Kings and chronicles were told during the days of
Samuel with Saul, David, and Solomon. In that particular era,
there were five prophets that wrote books of prophecy. There
was God, Nathan, Hija, Shamaia, and Io and for whatever reason,

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they were not put in the canon, but there was
a group of Jews that did keep those records, and
they've come out in other places too. So I was
able to get the text of Gad the Seer and
part of Nathan, and I'm still working on trying to
get some of the others. But they're just ancient prophets
from around one thousand BC and very very fascinating God

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prophesies what I believed to be very clearly a pre
trip rapture, among other things in chapter fourteen, but some
of the fascinating things as he begins to identify, we're
always looking for that Babylonian mystery religion and revelation, which
is described as a harlan. It's Babylon, it's this kind
of stuff, and there's enough things in scriptures to kind

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of connect them, but you still aren't never quite sure,
you know. And so Gad comes out and says, basically,
there will be two anti Semitic powerful religions, and he
describes them one from South headquartered south of where Israel's at,
and their symbol is a crescent moon. Okay, so I
think I know who that is. And the other one

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is a group of people led by one guy who
actually is trinitarian, not completely monotheistic. Remember, back in the
ancient days, everybody knew God of the prophets did and
they were trinitarian. But according to the scrolls, but this group,
even though they seem good, they're headquartered in Rome, Italy,
and of course back in that there wasn't much of

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anything in Rome, Italy and nothing in Saudi Arabia basically.
But these two become very powerful anti Semitic religious powers,
but they're not the problem. Somewhere toward they probably fight
amongst them theirmselves as far as we know, but somewhere
toward the end of time, either they or factions from

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those two groups form this other religion and it becomes
the dominant what they call the Harlot religion. That's what
Gad teaches. So today we would say that's some sort
of krislom or some sort of combination type thing. I'm
not sure exactly how it manifests, but to have these
scrolls talk about those things, and like the Dead Sea
Scroll Testament of Nella, giving us more information about the

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empires and how they come together, it's very very fascinating.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, especially since we've been seeing the you know, the
rise of Chrislam and Christians that you know, well, so
called christian that believe that Christianity and Islam worship the
same God, which you know, when you actually look at
the text, it couldn't be more different. But we've been
we've been seeing that kind of rise up for a

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couple of decades now. It's not super huge, but it's
it's growing, and I can definitely see how something like
that would be uh could explode in the end in
the end days one people. One topic that people really
love is the ancient Dead Sea Scuroll calendar, and we've
done a ton of interviews about that. But for those
who might not be familiar, for those new to the channel,

(33:34):
we've been getting actually a lot of more new people
viewing the channel, which is great. Could you go through
just kind of how this calendar works, how these scenes
would have used it, how it applies to the Bible,
and what we can learn from it prophetically.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Sure, it's fascinating because it's not prophetic in and of itself,
but the calendar is amazing. Most of us know about
a Jewish calendar. There's Nissan and Tira and the twelve
months of the year, and comparing it to our twelve
months on our Gregorian calendar, ours is solar. The modern
Jewish calendar is lunar. This one is solar. So according

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to the Dead Sea Scrolls, and I guess there's no
way to really prove or disprove this, but it's their calendar,
and their explanation is that God gave the original calendar.
It clearly shows the uh, the Sabbath and the festivals
of the year. It shows the years, the shmidas, the jubilees,
and the centuries onas and ages, and so there are

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several things that they plug into, like, for instance, one
of the scrolls talks about Messiah dying for our sins,
and that event is one shmida after the ninth jubilee
of their ownA, which they were in Ona eighth, and
so when you plug that into the Gregorian calendar, it
means the Messiah is supposed to die in thirty two AD,

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which fits perfectly with what Christians believe. And so there's
several other things like that, and the prophecies kind of
connect all those so we know exactly where we are
on the calendar line. So again we're all looking for
that year six thousand and that last jubilee period before
is when a lot of prophecy occurs, a lot of
the rapture, this tribulation, the second Coming, anti Christ, all

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that's in there somewhere, and not unless earily at the
beginning or at the end, but somewhere in there. And
we're approaching that really quickly. March, which is, you know,
actually next Tuesday from where we're the time we're doing
this is a scene on the scene calendar the new year,
so that begins the shmita year, the last one of

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this jubilee or this generation. Then we have a jubilee year,
then we start the very last fifty year period, which
is called the last generation. So that's really interesting for
a lot of Bible prophecy people, but it basically does that.
It works out that way. And the interesting thing about it,
we all believe that there's no filler in scripture. Says

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Jesus did something and then five days later something happened.
You're supposed to know exactly what we're talking about, and
most of us would say, we'd have to grab a
calendar and try to figure out the year and then
the date, and you know, and the way the calendar works.
It's very simple and very easy. If I was to
ask you what day was New Year's on, you'd say, well,
it was the first of January. But it's different every year.

(36:22):
It might have been Wednesday or Thursday, or who knows.
We'd have to get a calendar. Look, well, the calendar
always happens on the Wednesday closest to the spring equinox,
so that's always New Year. So passover is always on
Tuesday the fourteenth, you know, and all and down like
this someone that says that, you know, Jesus had to
passover Satya three days and three day nights later he resurrected.

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You can just you don't even really have to look
at the calendar. You can just do it in your head.
And so all these things instantly come out. Like for instance,
John two, when he goes to the wedding of Kena,
it says that it was on the third day, and
we're like, third day of what? Third day of the week?
What are we talking about? I have no clue. Well,
if you knew the calendar, you know exactly what they're

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talking about. A lot of weddings, like we have June weddings.
Everybody wants a June wedding. A lot of for several reasons,
a lot of people had their wedding on the Festival
of New Wine, and that is the third of of
is when that takes place. So he's in there for
a wedding in Cana on the third obviously the third

(37:30):
of all, festival of New Wine, and he arranges this
to turn water into wine. So if we knew more
about that festival, it would probably make a lot more
sense to us about what's going on. But just things
like that, you Moses did something, five days later, something happened.
You know, if it was a sabbath, what day of
the week, what closest festival it was, the date, even

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a lot of times, and you just know a lot
of stuff, and that helps you figure out a lot
of prophecy.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, it's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
And I mean because of that calendar, we know that
we definitely live in some really interesting times. I mean,
like you said, the Final Jubilee is set to start
in like a year from now or something. And for
people out there that are are worried thinking like, oh
my gosh, I have to wait till twenty seventy five
before Jesus returns We need to remember there is a
rapture that happens before, and we don't know when that happens.

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The rapture isn't the thing that kicks off the tribulation period.
It's the confirmation of the covenant with many. So you
could have a rapture pretty early, and it could be
years or even possibly decades between that and the start
of the tribulation, or if it is around the same time.
We don't know how long after the tribulation, when Jesus

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comes back and takes care of everything. We don't know
how long those judgments take. We don't know how long
it takes to figure out what they're going to do
with the temple, whether they're going to cleanse it or
just rebuild it. I mean, we read in Ezekield there's
this amazing city and temple that's probably going to take
some time to build. I don't think Jesus is just
going to snap his fingers and it's all just going
to appear immediately. He could do it like that, but

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I think that's actually going to be built. That could
take some time, So he could have the early rapture
of tribulation and still have some time before actually the
official start of that millennium. And and you know, we
when we look at the way that the Torah Age ended,
technically that would have ended around seventy five AD. Now

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we would say the Church Age started at thirty two
a d. When the when the with the dwelling of
the Holy Spirit. So there there there is kind of
an overlap to some of these events and how it
could all play out. So I just don't want anybody
for if somebody's viewing this for the first time, don't worry.
Nobody's saying that we're absolutely going to have to wait
till twenty seventy five for something to happen. Could could be,

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but but we don't necessarily have to believe that that
would be the case. It certainly and happened like that
at the end of the tour age. Stuff prophecies started
getting fulfilled pretty early. Oh and I should mention because
of the calendar, Ken and I have available a print
version of the Dead Sea Scroll calendar that has not
only the ancient calendar that the scenes would have used,

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but also our normal calendar that we use today. So
you can look to any day and see if there's
anything significant, like a feast, day or anything like that.
I have a link to it in the description below,
or you can go to Daily Renegade dot com and
find it there, or you can go to Ken's website
at Biblefecs dot org and the all of those, all

(40:37):
of the proceeds for those are split between Ken and I,
and it really does help both of our ministries continue
so we can keep bringing you content like this. I
wanted to make mention of that. There's also an online
version too at DSS calendar dot org. Before we get
to the member's only section, in your opinion, what are
some of the most exciting and prominent prophecies that you

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found your research? And I know we can't set dates,
but how close do you believe that we might be
to the rapture in tribulation?

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Well, clin like what you were saying, the rapture could
be at any time. I think it is closer to
the beginning of the tribulation than you know, like a
really large gap or something. That being said, I've often
thought the twenty seventy five either is the second Coming
or the dedication of the temple. And if we have
to build some you know, the Lord could do whatever.

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But it just seems like he's going to have us
build it, or it comes in pieces or whatever. So
that may take ten, twenty thirty years or so. So
it is interesting that they have. They the scrolls prophesied
a forty year gap between the death of the Messiah
and the end of the age, and they Prophesiah seven
year gap at the end of our age where there's

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this gentile king who's claiming to be God incarnate, son
of God, the Messiah. And it's really really fascinating all
those things about how they look at Daniel, and I
think we're getting really close to that end of that age.
I really thought that we wouldn't see any kind of
prophecy at all until we get in that last fifty

(42:12):
year period. But apparently I was wrong, because last year
the Hamas war started and Israel is very intent to
actually finish the problem. If they do, that will actually
fulfill Obadiah Zephanien and a few of the other prophecies
because they eliminate Hamas. And that's one thing that the

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Dead Sea Scrolls taught is that the psalms teach prophecy.
And one of the ways that you understand prophecy is
that a psalm or a passage of scripture is written
about it as a song, and it's played on a
certain musical instrument, and if a certain musical instrument has
four key, four strings or ten strings or whatever, that

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tells you the una that it's supposed to be, and
if it's a prophetic song. And so we have things
about the twelfth on, which is our age about prophecies,
like out of Amus six about a government seat or
structure in Gath of the Philistines named violence. Well, when
you put that in English, you're talking about a government

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structure of the Gaza strip who calls themselves Humas, and
they cause a problem with Israel and eventually are eradicated.
And in the process of doing this, Israel takes and
holds southern Lebanon. It tells us where the new border
is going to be at, and then they colonize the Negev.
And then there's a whole bunch of other things. We've
got the destruction of Damascus. We've got a war between

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Israel and Iran, and that's actually mentioned the Book of
Enoch also, which has got some very interesting details in
Enoch the scripture doesn't have. And then there's like I say,
the colonizing of the Negev, the Benjamine tribe is found
and bringing migrates home. There's several other prophecies like that

(44:00):
that we might get to see because those may happen,
especially if like Benjaminites come home and then they're the
ones that colonize and it takes five or ten years
or whatever, then we might begin to see some of
that stuff immediately after this war. So it's really fascinating.
We've got the Gog and Magog War involving Russia. We've
got the formation of the Ten Kingdoms, which we may

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or and it may not see, but it's interesting to
look for. So there's quite a bit of Bible prophecy
to look at, and the scrolls give us several more
clues with all that. As far as studying prophecy, what
we've always said is basically memorized Daniel. Daniel is like
the best ever as far as prophecy. Daniel and then Revelation,
but revelation is really symbolic. Hard to understand. But those two,

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and then there's the Ezra Apocalypse. The Book of Gad
the Seer, the Testament of Noah is amazing for setting
the chronology parts together, and then there's whatever the Dead
Sea Scrolls say about prophecy in general, and then the
early Church fathers, because they will come around and say, well,
we've always been told by the Apostles and everybody, this

(45:08):
is how you interpret it, and it's basically the same.
I'm just excited to see the scrolls and the Church
fathers interpret the Bible the same way we always have
and it's just very logical. But to know that's the
way it has been given is pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Absolutely, And many of those books that you mentioned you
have available online for those who might not be familiar
with doctor Ken Johnson. He actually has English translations that
he's done himself of many of these books. Where can
people get your books and follow you online?

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Bible Facts dot org is our main website, and then
you mentioned the DSS calendar dot org for the calendar stuff.
Excuse me, well, we have a YouTube broadcast with a
live Q and a every Monday night. Currently, we've been
studying the Book of Enoch. We started at the first
of the year and we're going through that now. But

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we have that and then we have the bookstore there
on the website. They're basically just links to Amazon, so
you know your credit card is safe and all that.
But we have thirty four books. I believe. I'm working
on my next one, my number thirty five. Hopefully i'll
have that done for the Prophecy Watchers conference this spring
or this summer.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Rather Oh awesome. What's that one about.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Smaller Dead Sea scrolls that contain prophecy. So there's actually
a lot of their commentaries on the minor profits and
a lot of little scrolls that talk a lot about
mainly first coming prophecies, but there's quite a bit of
second coming prophecies in there too, and they're really amazing.
I remember I always read Nahem, and I always thought

(46:47):
to myself, why am I reading Mayhem? It's just straightforward
that it has nothing to do with me, you know,
But it's like, no, it'd have something to do with you,
or wouldn't be in the Bible. You read the Dead
Sea scroll commentary, and boy was I wrong. There's actually
quite a bit in there. And then we have almost
the entire Habitcac commentary, which is very eye opening.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Oh that fantastic. Whenever that comes out, we'll have to
have you back on to talk about it. That sounds great.
As we conclude the free section here, what do you
want most for the audience to take away from the
interview so far?

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Just that we need to study and it's not hard.
We don't need to try to kill ourselves doing it.
But study, come to a conclusion, build on what you're doing.
Understand that there are cults out there that twist things.
But if the scrolls that are pre New Testament and
the New Testament, and then the early Church fathers that

(47:42):
are post New Testament all say the same thing, that's
probably true. And then later on in the medieval Church,
if we get this, you know there is no pre
trip rapture you need to worship angels or whatever happens.
The Kabbala and other stuff like that comes along later,
you can ignore those. And so to understand we're in

(48:03):
that time period, we're going to be here a little
while longer. It's not going to end like in the
next ten seconds, but at the same time, it's going
to happen in the near future. And even at that point,
we don't know how long we're going to live. You
could have a heart attack at any moment, so we
really need to get our lives right with the Lord.

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And that's not hard to do either. It's just something
that needs to be done. You need to recognize that
you are a sinner. I am too. We all have problems.
Nobody's perfect, but the Lord came and fixed that for us.
So if we accept him as our savior, we can
have a free gift of eternal life. That's the major point.
And I think that's the whole reason for prophecy, because

(48:44):
there's no way you or I could tell the future
and make it happen, but somebody did. And if they
can do that and they say I can give you
eternal life if you just simply do this, I think
that's a pretty safe bet too.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I totally agree. Amen.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
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Daily Renegade. Let's get back. Let's get right back into it.
We have some viewer questions that were brought in and
a lot of these are really good. One thing that
a lot of people have been wondering, and I've wondered

(50:25):
myself too, is Sharon asks, where did the flood? Where
did the giants come from after the flood. What's your
opinion on that. You've got some really good information on this. Yeah,
there's actually several records about that. We're on our study
in Enoch. We just finished up the pre flood Nepholham history,
so we've got to figure out how they ended the

(50:45):
civil wars and what happened to them. And so that's
the next logical question. Well, what happened afterwards? And we
don't know for sure. I mean, there could be multiple
things that happen. People talk about genetics coming through, which
doesn't make sense. In other words, of one of the
daughters or one of the wives of the three sons

(51:05):
may have had some nephel of DNA or whatever. That's
a possibility, I suppose, But nothing says that. And we
can speculate all day long with stuff, but I tend
to want to stick just with the scrolls and church fathers.
Whatever is written, Like Paul said in Corinthians, about nothing
beyond that which is written. It really helps to curb

(51:26):
the speculation. But we have a couple of scrolls that
talk about it. We understand that, for instance, pre flood
there is genetic tampering.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
We have one.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Scroll called the Book of Giants that tells you actually
how to go about starting that kind of study of
mixing species, and it's a genetic type thing that they do,
so it's accurate. So what happens is after the flood,
we have Canaan who goes up and builds Zeiden. First thing,

(51:58):
he goes out of a lot of territory into Schem's territory,
and it's a big deal. And we don't really know why.
It's connected with Noah's dreams that he has in Genesis,
but he explains it completely in his Testament, and so
we know what's going on there. He's after the old
forbidden knowledge. And so if you find out, if you

(52:18):
go up to Zeiden where he made the port, that's
about the closest place on the coast that you can
get to make a pilgrimage kind of straight over to
Mount Herman. So the text talks about him finding documents
the writings of the watchers and beginning to emulate this
stuff or put it back into practice. Well, the next thing,
you know, there's giants in the land of Canaan, and

(52:41):
so not just giant people, but there's giant grapes, you know, everything.
They've figured out how to make everything work better kind of,
and so that's basically at least one of the things
that we know for sure according to the scrolls that
happened is that we just simply found the nuphile of medicine,
so to speak, and try to recreate it. And that's

(53:02):
what's fascinating to me, because now we have people, i mean,
some of the scrolls talking about towards the end of
the age of Grace, nefhel of medicine comes back, which
means some sort of genetic something, and we have all
these things. People are trying to make pig hearts which
are very similar to humans, better for transplants and lungs,
and we've got cows now that produce human antibodies, and

(53:26):
there's all sorts of things like that. One of the
most fascinating to me was when they first started this,
they took the gene of a jellyfish that makes you glow.
We talked a little bit about the glowing it's part
of our DNA. I think that's been curbed because of sin.
But they managed to take the DNA from a jellyfish
and put it into mice and cats and dogs and

(53:49):
things like that, and they tried out on a gibbon
monkey and at first they couldn't get it to work,
but eventually they did, so not a big deal, I guess,
although in the wild I think that would go extend,
you know, the ones that glow, you know, But that
kind of stuff happened. I mean it actually it's not
a joke. I know there's a lot of weird stuff
on the internet, but that's not a joke. That's documented.

(54:13):
And so we continue to do like testing and things
like that, and I don't, well, this is the private parts.
I guess it's okay to talk about anything. But one
of the problems that I've always had is I'm not
anti vax. Vaccines can be very beneficial, but you test it.
You don't throw something together five minutes and then inject

(54:35):
it into somebody that's just asking for trouble. Normally you
wait a decade. So we've had this last vaccine, which
has helped some people and killed some people according to
some of the reports. There's always problems from both sides
of the COVID you know, and everything. But the main
problem I see that's always been I mean, when they

(54:56):
come up with any vaccine. There's always some people that
react badly to it until they get it fixed, you know.
And then if you're taking a vaccine that's been around
for a decade or two, it's probably safe, you know.
But the whole idea though, that this this stuff comes back,
and the push to hurry up and change your genetics
to make you where you're over you know, immune to

(55:19):
these things rather than doing it the old fashioned way,
is just the push that's beginning to go down that road.
I don't necessarily think it's even linked to the mark
of the Beast. Maybe maybe not, but it's going that
direction and we need to as Christians resist that kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, definitely, especially today. Is there anything in the in
the scrolls or anything that actually talks about how the
how the process worked, Like what what the writings of
the watchers actually said, Like what was the process to
actually bring back these these hybrids or these nephelum or
do we just not know?

Speaker 7 (55:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (55:57):
Actually, there's a one of the scrolls called the Book
of Giants in the Dead Sea Squirrel kind of explains
how it works, and it gave an example of taking
a sheep and a goat and you make a half
sheep half goat type thing, and like a donkey and
a horse make a mule, and a lot of times
those are sterile, of course, so you can't really go

(56:19):
forward with them. But instead of mixing genetics using test
tubes and all this kind of stuff, if you know
the outcome or how to do it, you just simply
make them, you know, and then if they're not in heat,
there's ways to make certain smells to get them in
heat and things like that. But the whole concept, when
you read the whole thing, it talks about how they

(56:41):
take two hundred horses and two hundred donkeys and then
that produced at least two hundred mules. And then of
course if two specific kinds don't make the one that
can reproduce, then you just kind of rotate them, so
you could create hundreds of mules, and out of those
hundreds of mules, you probably have at least a handful

(57:02):
that can reproduce, okay, and then you go forward with that.
So what they're doing is they're taking they have to
know ahead of time. I guess what they're looking for,
and the angels would. But you take two similar life forms,
mate them together, get some that's whole and can reproduce,
and it's an unstable life form. Today we would just

(57:23):
simply look at the chromosome count. You know, horses are here,
donkeys are here, mules are right in the middle. And
so's it to create an unstable life form because most
of the time, if you tried to mate one thing
with another, it's different enough that it just doesn't take.
There's no even no pregnancy, it just doesn't work. So
there's other things to do, and there's probably herbs to

(57:44):
make sure there's no spontaneous abortions and stuff like that,
because I know there's herbs to do the opposite too,
But it just described this whole process. And to me
it's interesting because there's stuff in the Middle Ages, like
those grim wires, like well, how do you do this?
You know, well, you shake your head and walk around
the table three times and you say these magic words,

(58:06):
and you and I would look at it and say
that won't do anything. It's just stupid, you know, But
this actually is like, no, it has its a mating process.
You have to do it in just the right way.
So if that would work, and if we would try
to do that, that's exactly how we would would do it,
So it's fascinating to look at that. And then, of course,
now all of a sudden, out of nowhere, somebody starts experimenting.

(58:29):
I think some of our scientists are reading the Dead
Sea Squirrels actually and doing what Canaan did. It's like,
I don't care, I'm going to recreate it. And the
spooky thing about it is, once this can of worms
is opened up, there's no going back because we have
laws on the books saying we don't experiment with human embryos.
We're just not going there. But when China does, and

(58:53):
Russia does, and other superpowers do, and they may be
may be successful. You you, the military doesn't say, oh well,
the military follows directions to figure out how to fix
that or how to make one better. So it's no
matter what the laws are. Somebody somewhere will continue to

(59:13):
do this and have lots of disastrous, you know, things
going nowhere. But eventually somebody will create something that works,
like the Nephelin clans or a virus that works or
something like that. And that's kind of what was prophesied.
I believe.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
That's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
And we live in strange, strange times and it's it's
it's kind of exciting to talk about it because we realize,
you know, if things are getting that bad in the world,
we're just that much closer to when things actually get fixed,
which which which is great? Michael has a question. I
believe I've heard him say that Enoch prophecies in the

(59:56):
Bible and states that, oh, okay, it's worded a little weird,
but I think what he's asking is basically, somewhere in
Enoch it says that it's that Enoch's not supposed to
be in the Bible.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
He's looking for that verse and can't find it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
And then just to add on to that, yeah, how
should we as Christians look at the Book of Enoch
and should it be included in the Bible?

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Should it not?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Do we look at it a scripture or just history?

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Well, just like in the first century, you have some
people think there aren't profits anymore, Okay, So even if
that's the case, in the first century, there were profits
like Agabus, and so they made prophecies. They may or
may not have made any end time prophecies. I don't know,
but if they did, they would have wrote them down
in a book. Presumably we would have got that in

(01:00:44):
the cannon, but you don't know. So just because there
is a real prophet that has a real gift of
prophecy or word of wisdom, word of knowledge for a
person or for a group or for a later century,
doesn't necessarily mean all of those are in Bible. And
it doesn't mean that just because it's not in the Bible,
it's got to be fake. So that's something that we

(01:01:06):
have a problem with. That kind of a tradition has
come from a thousand years of false prophets trying to
get right junk and all the cults and stuff, So
we do need to be very very careful of that
kind of stuff. The early Church father said that they
believe that the Book of Enoch, what we call First Enoch,
is the book of Enoch, and there were several others

(01:01:27):
that were written, like Second Enoch, Third Edock, and things
like that that are written by cults. That's one really
nice thing about the Church fathers. Sometimes they'll come out
and say, no, this is a fake book. We know
it was written by a guy down the street. It
was a certain cult. They're called this. They wrote it
for this reason. The guy's in jail. I mean, just
they tell you all this history, and so that's really

(01:01:48):
fantastic when they do. But yeah, in book I think
it's like one hundred and five or something like that,
at talks about the fact that there will be a
collection of booksooks that the righteous live their life by.
So that's our canon, okay, And then it mentions that
his is not supposed to be included in that collection

(01:02:08):
of books. And then in chapter one actually he says
that the book is addressed to those people that live
in the time or of tribulation. And then there's even
that quote out of that that Jude gives about when
the Lord comes back with ten thousands of his saints.
So we're talking about the end of the age of Grace,
the establishment of the kingdom, not necessarily right then, but

(01:02:31):
that fifty or one hundred years or whatever toward that
time period. So you get the idea that this is
supposed to be outside the canon and separate. And the
reason for that is, if you just think about it,
it's logical because if you come up to a person
and say you need to be a Christian, here, read
the Bible. The Bible consists of five thousand, three hundred
and some books. Some people are going to say, I'm

(01:02:54):
just going to hell then, because I can't read that much,
just forget about it. And so the Bible is designed,
as Peter said, all that you need for a life
of godliness and faith is contained even in the New Testament.
If you just read the New Testament and believe it,
you can be saved. And that's really all you need. However,

(01:03:16):
the more you know, the better, And like lawyers and
doctors constantly study and learn new things and have libraries
of like a couple of hundred books in the back
that are pretty complex, so we can do the same thing,
or at least some of us can study that anybody
that wants to. But since there are so many fake books,

(01:03:37):
you need to be very very familiar with the New
Testament and fairly familiar with the Old before you get
into that kind of stuff. For instance, there is I
talked a while ago about the Testament of Noah, fantastic.
It contains real prophecy, which is coroborated by Daniel, very
very good. However, there is a Book of and there's

(01:03:59):
a Testament of Abraham actually too. There's also a Book
of Abraham that is part of the Mormon group of Cannon,
And so when you look at that, you can tell
it's basically nothing. So just because it's got somebody's name
on it, you know, and it's supposed to be old,
doesn't mean it is. So there's a real book by
that name and a fake book by that name. So

(01:04:20):
we just got to be careful of all that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree with you. Russell is asking,
was Yeshua and the Aescenes a vegetarian.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
No, that would be against the law. They have to
observe the passover satyr, which is the eating of the
passover lamb. Peter was still a fisherman, and even Paul says,
this whole concept of not eating meat is a doctrine
of demons, not that you can be a vegetarian. If

(01:04:53):
your doctor says you have some odd ball problems, I
strongly suggest you eat peanut butter and leave beef alone
or whatever. Follow what your doctor tells, unless he's giving
you knu full of medicine. But you know this kind
of stuff, you need to be careful. But it's not
a physical reason for eating meat. This is a spiritual one.

(01:05:18):
The concept is that if you are a vegetarian or
you're this, or that you'll be more spiritual, God will
like you better, and that's got nothing to do with anything.
So there is a fake document called the Asine Gospel
of Peace, and there's a Gospel of Barnabas that is
sometimes used by the Muslims that talk about Jesus being

(01:05:40):
a vegetarian and stuff like that, but that obviously was
not true. I mean, he ate the Passover meal with
his disciples, and the whole idea that you know, Paul
talked about that we messed up with the Corinthians, messed
up the communion and that's why some of us are
dead or sleep. Don't mess up the ritual. You don't
have to do rituals. So either do it or don't

(01:06:02):
do it. But if you do it, do it properly.
So nobody's going to do a Passover sator and not
eat the lamb, right, So that kind of thing. And
so they were not vegetarian. This is pretty pretty obvious too,
because there's been several digs in the Kumaran area that
have brought up Passover meals. I guess they had the

(01:06:25):
idea that it's so sacred they didn't want to throw
the trash away. They just bury it. And so there's
the bones of the lambs and stuff like that. So
they were obviously eight meat. And along with that we
have to understand that kind of stuff comes. In Genesis nine,
you have part of the noa Hyde laws, and we're
told as people, as nations, gentile nations, to eat anything

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that moves, as long as you kill it and cook
it properly so you don't get sick. So anything you
want to eat, eat it. Then in Leviticus you have
the Jews, mainly the priest, being told you have to
eat kosher. Okay, we only eat these things. These are forbidden.
These are okay. Then in Deuteronomy, which is right after that,
you have, like in Deuteronomy fourteen twenty one, you have

(01:07:10):
the account of you're a Jew, you have a cow,
it dies without being slaughtered, So now it's no longer
kosher and you can't eat it. So what do you
do with it? You give it to the gentiles, because
they eat that stuff, the ones that live in your
gates in your cities. So you've got this, if you
look at it very carefully, this whole concept. We're not
Jewish priests. So there's a ton of those laws that

(01:07:33):
don't apply to us. Just like, as a even if
I was Jewish and my wife gave birth, she would
do the ritual forgiving birth. I don't give birth. I'm
a guy, you know, I'm just different. So there's all
these different sets of laws, and it's all one system
of law, but we don't want to mix them up.
And that's why Paul said, to be very careful to

(01:07:55):
divide the word of truth appropriately.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Ruth is asking, given that the Dead Sea Scrolls were
found in the nineteen forties, why do the scenes start
to be heard of about ten years ago or less?
Or is that just my ignorance?

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
No, Actually, that's a pretty good understanding. The first of
the scrolls came out in the forties, and then there
were some of the fifties, and then there was a
few other things found later. But what happened was the
big scrolls, which are mainly multiple copies of the scriptures,
Like we've got thirty eight copies of Deuteronomy and things

(01:08:35):
like that. It's just Deuteronomy. Everybody already has those. So
there's no danger in releasing those to the public because
you can't cause a controversy when it's exactly the same thing.
So we have a whole lot of them that are
highly fragmented. I mean so much that maybe they're about
this big and there's two letters on them. Who knows

(01:08:55):
what that means. There's no way to kind of put
those together. But the others are fragmented, and some of
them are not fragmented, but they actually give a scene theology.
That's where the danger came out. It's like, I'm not
sure we want everybody to know this, because like when
you read eleven q. Thirteen, you find out that the

(01:09:16):
Messiah is our mel Kezedekian priest. He's actually God incarnate.
He comes to die and pay the penalty for our iniquity.
It happens in thirty two AD. And because of that,
the Age of Grace begins, and then it begins to
talk about several other prophetic things. So be that as
it may. That's apparently what they believed or whoever wrote

(01:09:38):
that one scroll. And so when that comes out, you've
got a lot of people going, I'm not sure about this.
Some of the texts talk about you only pray to God,
you don't pray to angels or people. So the Catholic
people are like, we don't want that to go out,
you know, And there were copies of some of the apocrypha,
so some of the Protestants may not necessarily I really

(01:10:00):
wants you to know that, you know, and things like that.
But I think mainly what happened was in the nineteen
nineties that one of the professors or one of the
archaeologists actually had his own copies photos of everything. He died,
and he bequeathed his whole set to the Huntington Library
and they said, cool, we'll publish it. So they actually

(01:10:21):
published it. I think it was in nineteen ninety one,
and then instantly there's this lawsuit for the powers that
be said that belongs to us, and there's there's you know,
he was working for him at the time. Technically it's
their property, et cetera. So it actually went to the
Supreme Court, I think of California. But anyway, the obvious
ruling is that the copyright goes to the people who

(01:10:44):
wrote it. They've been dead two thousand years, so it's
public domain. So they were allowed to publish it. So
the full text for people to study has only been
out about twenty two years twenty four years something like that,
and so that's not a time for any denomine nation
to study it and go, you know what, we need
to change some things. So it's really really new information

(01:11:07):
as far as that goes. It's politics basically.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Yeah, yeah, very interesting. Let's do Let's do one more.
We actually have like dozens of questions, but if we
do all of them, we'll be here for five hours,
So we'll do one more before we before we let
you go. U zeph Is asking, is the Book of
Nicodemus a reliable source of truth? As well as Ponscia's
Pilot report? Recently been reading these releases from the Vatican

(01:11:33):
Treasure Trove.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
I haven't read the recent releases, but I studied them
in seminary. And there's a couple of different versions of
each of those, and so some of them definitely have
some historical problems. There's one or two versions that are gnostic,
and there's others that don't seem to have any problems,
but we don't know if they're fiction or not. The
Church fathers do talk about Pilot and about his suicide

(01:11:59):
after words, in his imprisonment and that kind of stuff. Basically,
when you get Caesar that heals there's this messiah guy.
Hears about this Messiah guy over there and that he
can heal people without herbs, and I have a problem.
I want him here now what you killed him? So
he's in serious trouble. So you can see why this

(01:12:21):
is probably correct in what's going on. But there's a
lot of things that do tend to counterdict in different manuscripts.
So first off, knowing that there are multiple copies and
they're all slightly different, I can't say that there's at
least one of them that's not correct. We'd have to
go back and really look at that, and that's something
that I plan on doing in the future. But there's

(01:12:41):
just so many scrolls to look at, and I think
it's more important to look at the scrolls specifically prophetic
part that might play help us to understand something now
than back then. But that would definitely be worth looking into.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yeah, I agree, it sounds really interesting. Well, I guess
that's it for today. Ken, Thank you so much for
coming on and talking with us and answering some of
the viewer questions. Really really appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Absolutely, and thank all of you once again for being
members and for Sporting Daily Renegade. Head on over to
Ken's website too, Biblefects dot org, and he does live
streams every Monday, so you want to make sure that
you check those out. All right, everybody, until next time,
Love I you all, take care and God bless.

Speaker 8 (01:13:31):
Welcome to the program today, Mono Gonzalez here in studio
and we have got a great program for you. We
are going to be here talking with doctor Ken Johnson
and Josh Peck about a very interesting topic, the dead
Sea Scrolls. The scene calendar, what's coming up in twenty
twenty five and twenty six. You are not going to
want to miss it. Before we go to these esteem, gentlemen,
I want to remind everybody about our upcoming Colorado conference

(01:13:55):
which is going to be June twenty seventh through the
twenty ninth in Colorado Springs. You can go to Profitsywatchers
dot com and get all the information that you need there.
Also want to remind you that if you can't join
us in beautiful Colorado, that we are going to be
live streaming the event again, you can get information there.
We have a couple other events that remind you about.
I will be going to Greece on a Eastern mediterraining

(01:14:17):
cruise with Billy Cron and Tom Hughes and a few others,
and we're going to do some prophecy talks and lectures
on the ship as well as seeing Athens and Corinth
and other spots. Basically a missionary tour of where Paul went.
And so if you want information about that, that is
going to be in October again Prophecywatchers dot com. If
you go to the events tab and just scroll down,

(01:14:38):
you'll see places where you can find information to get
about that special trip. It'll be fun. And one last thing,
we are gearing up as well for a prophecy conference
in Branson, Missouri. It's going to be a great time
and you can find information on our website as well.
So lots of things going on. As we know, the
world is changing very fast and prophecy conferences are a

(01:15:00):
great way to stay not only informed, but also to
hang out with others. I mean really, that is one
of the goals, is to fellowship with others who are
like minded and thinking of like minded gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
Both of you are welcome. Thank you. How you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:15:14):
You know? I remember you know I took a class
on Kumaran in seminary and so I've always loved the
Dead Sea Scrolls and so to sit here with you
guys is great to talk about some of these things.
And I think for our audience, maybe Josh want you
share start with you for a second, help our audience.

(01:15:36):
Let's say they don't know anything about you. What have
you done and what have you written about the Dead
Sea Scrolls and Camran? And then I'll ask you the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Sure, yeah, Well, I've been studying it, not as long
as doctor Ken Johnson has, but he was actually the
one that really got me into the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
And so I wrote my first book.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
About it, which was Lost Prophecies of Kumron, and I
started writing that in twenty twenty and now i'm and
I just got the final draft done. I'm working on
an updated and expanded version called Forgotten Prophecies of the
Dead Sea Squrolls, and that one it gets a lot
more in depth with some of the amazing prophecies and
also the history of the scenes. Who were the writers

(01:16:14):
and keepers of the Dead Sea Squrolls. Not every scene
had anything to do with the writing. That was some
of the scribes, but it gets into all that history,
gets into prophecies that they had during their time, which
they called the Age of Torah, and our time, which
they actually called the Age of Grace, which.

Speaker 7 (01:16:29):
Is really phenomenal stuff. So I think people are going
to get a lot ont.

Speaker 8 (01:16:32):
It awesome, And doctor kenn here, you've written certainly a
lot about it and what kind of got you into this,
and then of course you kind of I wouldn't call
it a hobby, it's been your joy. Talk about what
got you into it and also kind of the breadth
of what you've written.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
Well, I started when I became a Christian in my
teenage years, and then I realized, after going to different
churches that they taught different things different denominations. So I
got to the point where I looked up the early
church fathers to find out what they taught about all
the different things we disagree with, just for my own
peace of mind, to find out what was proper doctrine.

(01:17:09):
And in the process of doing that, they talked about Eenoch.

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
And scrolls and several things like that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Then I got recently the ability to go look at
the entire collection of Dead Sea scrolls and look at them,
translate them see what I thought compare them from a
Christian standpoint point, and found out that they had a
lot of extra biblical commentaries prophecies mainly about the First
Coming but completely accurate, and then there's things about the

(01:17:36):
Second Coming. So I just wanted to pull them all
together because I've always been fascinated with prophecy also, So
that's why I do what I do.

Speaker 8 (01:17:45):
You know, when you think about the Dead Sea Scrolls,
you know originally began to be discovered in nineteen forty seven,
you know, right around the establishment of the State of Israel.
Maybe let's talk about that. We know that at least
in the New Testament, we have the Pharisees, we have
the Sadducees, we have the Herodians, we have the Zealous.
You have these different political parties, and the New Testament

(01:18:06):
does not mention this group known as the scenes. And
so where where do we, Josh tell us kind of
and get kind of kind of go back and forth here,
this will just be fun. Where do we learn about
the scenes at all? If if you know, not from
the New Testament, where do we hear about them?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yeah, one of the first mentions that we get, if
not the first mention is in Josephus, and a scene
is just a word that means healer, So we don't
we don't see that in the New Testament, but we
see it in extra biblical works like Josephus and lots
of other places. There's they are actually written about quite extensively,
like in Hippolytis, which actually in my new book I

(01:18:43):
do include all of that as appendices. There's eight appendices
in the new book with all these ancient church fathers
that talked about the scenes and ancient historians and stuff,
and like, now, that's a good question though, like in
the New Testament, do you see a correlation can between
like if they're there was a group mentioned, who would
the ascenes be?

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Would that be the scribes or.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Who do you think describes were a different group, But
generally they were referred to as just the Jews. And
the interesting thing about that is when you actually go
back and pull it all together, there are several scenes
in scripture according to the Church fathers, and the dead
seas grows both Simeon, who's sacrifice or not sacrifice but circumcised.

(01:19:25):
Our Lord apparently was a teacher of the school of
the Prophets, and therefore in a scene they kept that
whole order. Another one is when Paulin's and Barnabas were
anointed to go forth. It said the Holy Spirit wanted
them to go forth on missionary trips, and it said
that three prophets came down from Antioch, and it names them.

Speaker 9 (01:19:45):
One of them was Monacam or Manian.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
As it is in Greek, and we have his whole
history of him being with the Ascene Order and actually
leaving the Sanhedrin because of becoming a believer, and it's
really fascinating to see that whole thing history behind it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Was that the same individual that had that prophecy about Herod.

Speaker 9 (01:20:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's him.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
So we'll talk about that and they'll they'll leave the
audience out prophecy of Herod talking.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
About Yeah, so there was any scene named Monocam that
had when when Herod was basically a kid, you know,
he was a young a lot younger.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
We're talking about the great here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Yeah, yeah, he had this prophecy that he would be
a great king but then eventually become corrupt. Well, when
Herod actually became king, he brought Monocam. You know, two
women said like, okay, well, what now, and like how
long is my reign gonna last? And all that, and
he told him and that that was one of the
amazing things about the scene is that the scenes is
that they're recorded as having one hundred percent perfect prophecy. Uh,

(01:20:42):
and that that's just one small example, but but yeah,
it's it's fascinating stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
And when you read in Acts that talks about how
this is Manian or Monocam, the one that was in
Herod's household, so just to let you know, we're talking
about the same guy. The fascinating part about that is
it's not even really that hard. They're known to be prophets.

Speaker 9 (01:21:03):
But if you know the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Prophecies about the one that betrays the Christ is in
a Dumian. And then you're looking at ramgoing we tried Pharisees,
that didn't work. We tried Sadducees, that didn't work. We're
going back and forth, and so the next logical place
might be one of these five guys.

Speaker 9 (01:21:19):
Ones in a Dumian. Well that's him. And it's pretty obvious.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
You can go back through and look at all these
things and see how you could just figure it out.
Almost after the prophecies are given. It's fascinating.

Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
And we know that the Josephus mentions that the Ascenes
were not just out in the desert, you know, they
had they had, they were all over, they were all
over the place. And so he I think he lists
they numbered in the thousands. And so let's talk about that.
The we know as well, you know, the first century
hundred BC. We see even before that the Maccabean revolt,

(01:21:52):
and so then we see all of the Hasmonian dynasty
and and that that connection that happens in that one
hundred years, you know, basically hunter BC down to zero,
if you want to say it that way. But let's
talk about the time frame the scenes in the sense
of what do we know as it relates to their
origination and their time frame and their extensive even maybe

(01:22:17):
a little bit of a history, how they rebelled against
the Jerusalem, you know, group talk about that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Basically their story is that Jews were Jews, and when
we came back with Ezra, everybody believed in a Messiah
him dying for our sins. It's just basic one oh
one Judaism. Then colts rose up for different reasons and
became known as Pharisees and Sadducees. Somehow the colts took
over the government and then ousted them. There was even
these targeted assassinations and they had to go to Egypt

(01:22:49):
for a while until the Daniel prophecy about Rome stepping
in and fixing creating a piece, and at that point
they were supposed to go back into Israel and prepare
the way of the Messiah. So it was all set
in their mind what they should do. So if you
look at it like that, Judaism is the same as
Christianity has the same doctrine, and.

Speaker 9 (01:23:07):
When they don't because.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
It's Pharisees and Sadducees, it's basically because a cult rose
up the.

Speaker 9 (01:23:12):
Kind of took everything over.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
So their basic ideas, that stuff started around the two
hundreds BC and kind of came in waves, and then
they had the dispersion and the comeback, And there's a
whole lot of history that they give. They say that
there's actually a book with everybody's genealogies and the events
in Shmida's and jubileeze throughout all of time that they have,

(01:23:35):
So it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Yeah, and one one of the major things that caused
the split was the issue with the calendar. So probably
around the time of Antiochis Epiphanes fourth, maybe fifth, but
probably the fourth, they came in and they said, okay, well, basically,
we'll let you do some of your Jewish stuff, but
you have to adopt our lunar calendar, because before that

(01:23:58):
they had a solar one, the one that they said
that God gave to them, and there was a big
split there. So the people that would become the Ascenes
said that they weren't going to do that, so they left,
and then the ones that stayed and said, okay, you know,
we'll change our calendar. They changed to this pagan lunar calendar.

Speaker 8 (01:24:17):
So the Greeks, you're saying that the Greeks were imposing
on them a lunar calendar.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
And it's interesting because you can look at the history
of the Selucid Empire and they have a calendar that's
basically the same as the lunar calendar that they ended
up adopting, so you can kind of pinpoint where this was.
But according to the scenes, that was a major, major
sin because there were certain there were certain rituals that
had to be done on specific days, and if you

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don't have the proper calendar, you're going to miss the days.
And we know with some of those things, if you
do them wrong, you could lose your life. And what's
really interesting is there's actual records where it was like
before that time, out of all of history, there was
maybe eighteen priests or something like that that have ever died,
but then after that happened, it jumped up to like

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three hundred that died because they were doing these rituals
and things on the wrong days. They were doing them wrong,
so that caused that was one of the main things
that caused its big division. But what's amazing is that
that original solar calendar was perfect and it fits with
the Bible. So when we get day counts like prophetic
day counts with the two Witnesses or even things where

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it says, you know when the third day of the
month this happened, well, it's mentioning it for a specific reason.
And now that we know what that calendar is, and
now that we have that calendar, thanks largely to people
like Ken Johnson.

Speaker 7 (01:25:37):
Who I wouldn't be able to put all that together.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
But we can actually see like, okay, it says this
specific day, we can look and see if it falls
on a festival day or something like that, and even
prophetically it answers amazing questions. There's a big debate do
the two witnesses come in the first half or second
half of the tribulation? Well, in my mind that settled now.
It has to be the first half, and I go
into the book as to why it has to do

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with they they had what's called a leap week every five.

Speaker 7 (01:26:05):
Or six years.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
When you look at the prophetic day counts of the
two witnesses or of of all the other stuff in
the second half of the tribulation, it all fits perfectly.
So in the first in the second half, there's probably
not a leap week there in the first half the
two witnesses stuff. It makes a lot more sense if
you have that extra week, because then you start seeing
festival days that line up with them, and so in

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my in my mind, they have to come in the
first half of the tribulation. So so things like and
there's of course there's other reasons too, why why that's
the case?

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
Uh, where you don't need the calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
For that, But it's it's little things like that, like
just knowing those day counts, having the calendar and being
being able to actually count it out. It's just it's explosive,
it's it's amazing in terms of prophecy.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
So so how do we, uh when when we think about,
at least in the Bible, that the month begins on
the new moon. So that's very lunar, right, not exactly,
So you explain that because again you see, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
There's a specific word for moon and there's a specific
word for new month, and if you're using a lunar calendar,
it would be one and the same. But when you
go through the scriptures in the Old Testament and the
New Testament Greek, the Greek and Hebrew both it's actually
the word for new month instead, and so it doesn't
really say new moods.

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
So yeah, right, I mean, so you have so that
that's very important because again here you have this I
would say, I don't know, maybe it's forced on it
forced on the text that kdesh is this idea of
a new moon rather than a new month.

Speaker 9 (01:27:40):
Yeah, so it's really important that way.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Along with what you were saying, one thing I thought
was fascinating is the we had the yam Kippur war
and in nineteen seventy three, and we just had the.

Speaker 9 (01:27:53):
The war we're started with Hamas last year.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
So when you look at the dates of when they start,
it doesn't it's not the same same date on the Gregorian,
the modern Jewish calendar, the Arabic counter calendar, or.

Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
Any other calendar. But on the Dead Sea Scroll.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Calendar it's the exact same day, and it's that's just
one and you could say that's a coincidence. But when
you start seeing all those kind of kind of coincidences,
that's what makes it really interesting to look in the
study of prophecy and other things.

Speaker 8 (01:28:22):
So let's talk about then, the debate that's happening in
the sense, you know, we have the state of Israel.
You know here they are, you know, what is it,
year fifty seven eighty four or something like that, right,
whatever the year is. But yet that is based on

(01:28:45):
a pharisaical calendar. So let's talk about that. Let's talk
about these these two For those that might not know
anything about this, like well, yeah, yeah, but I know
I follow the Jews, I follow israela supporter of Israel,
and I mean that's that's fine. But their calendar says
it's you know, fifty sevent eighty four whatever. But what's
this idea with the Assine teller. Let's talk about the
difference is there where?

Speaker 7 (01:29:04):
Where did it?

Speaker 8 (01:29:05):
Where did it originate?

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
From?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
This?

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
This difference the major place in the there's a there's
an ancient Pharisee document called the sata Alam.

Speaker 9 (01:29:15):
It's a historical book.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
It dates from about one's sixty a d. And it
talks about the fact that at one particular point there
was a rabbi named Yoshi that didn't want people to
associate Daniel chapter nine with the coming of Messiah.

Speaker 9 (01:29:29):
So he said, the prophecy in.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Daniel nine is from the going forth to rebuild a Jerusalem,
that command to.

Speaker 9 (01:29:35):
The destruction of that temple.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Now that's only forty years difference, and of course you
can't do that. He was kind of laughed out, but
he came up with two other theories about how that
would any changed the era of the Persians, changed the
dates on that stuff, and still no one liked it
because you just can't do that.

Speaker 9 (01:29:53):
But then there was the dispersion and all the other stuff.
So then what happens in the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
Second century, second or third century, Rabbi Helal recreated the calendar,
and all of a sudden we have this missing one
hundred and seventy one hundred and sixty seven years. And
so from that time forward we've had the lunar calendar
with that number on it. And if you go back
to the Tulmud, which actually quotes the say to Rolama's
accurate history, you can see that they quote it, they

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look at it as legitimate, but they still hold onto
the other system. So we've got actual written documents on
how and where those dates changed.

Speaker 8 (01:30:30):
I think it's important to remember that during this time
there was a great amount of even really the first
century into the second century, we think about Justin Martyr,
there was a great level of Christian evangelism or Messianic
evangelism by Jews, by Messianic Jews. Of course, as we know,
the first Christians were Jews, and so you have this

(01:30:51):
history and even Justin Martyr in his book, you know,
the second century, he's you know, he's talking with Trifle,
the Jew right, and he's having this discussion and he's
talking about Messiana prophecy, and so there was a lot
of success as it relates to winning over people who
are Jewish based on messy Any prophecy, and so you
do see this this rabbinic movement that ended up seeking

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to change even the text, the Masterotic text, as well
as these others in order to make it not possible
for Jesus to be the Messiah, and so they to
think in terms of it might have been. And I
think it is true in ancient times there was such
a for the scribes and others, the transcribers who would
copy these Hebrew texts. They were very serious and respectful.

(01:31:36):
But later when you have such success going on with
Jesus being received as so obviously right fulfilling messy Ani prophecy,
that the early rabbis were like again, after Jesus died
in seconds first second history, we need to fix this,
We need to change this, We need to limit the
opportunity for Jesus to be seen as the Messiah. I mean,

(01:31:59):
there's definitely so this comes into play then as it
relates to the calendar issues, Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
And it's really interesting too because going along with that
in academia, there's this big mystery, like what happened to
the scenes. They just disappeared and they left all of
their scrolls behind.

Speaker 7 (01:32:17):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
One thing that and this was something new that I
learned that I didn't write about in the first book,
but it's in the second book. Is they there was
an ancient custom, I guess you could call it or
a ritual where they looked at the text as so
holy they weren't just if they were done with them,
or they weren't just gonna throw them away, so they
would actually like bury them or put them in pots

(01:32:39):
and put them in caves, and so they would do that.
So that's probably why a lot of those were left behind.
But the scenes were the early Christians. Those were most
likely the ones that you know when you read through
the Gospels. There are some times where Jesus just like
walks into a room and everybody gets saved, you know, basically.
But then there are other times he's saying everything he
can say and he just can't make headway with some people.

(01:33:00):
I think that's the difference between who's the Acene and
who's the Pharisee or Sadducy. Because the Ascenes had all
these really specific prophecies of what to look for with
the Messiah. They knew exactly what it was. They knew
that it was that the Messiah was going to be
you know, you know, come into two stages, the first
Coming and second Coming. And the Pharisees had a different
interpretation of that. They thought it was gonna be two

(01:33:21):
different like people. And so when they when they saw
all this happening, they knew it and they got saved immediately. Well,
they those are also the ones that took the Great
Commission seriously. And I think well, and they also knew
there was this prophecy about the tumble being destroyed. They
knew they had to get out anyway. But they were
the first Christians. They like we come from the Ascenes.
They went out, they took what scrolls they could, buried

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the rest, and went out and preached the Gospel to
the world.

Speaker 7 (01:33:47):
And we're the benefactors of that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
And to me, just just the fact that we have
that rich of history that most of the Church doesn't
know about, and actually a lot of a lot of
Jewish people unfortunately don't know about either. Just the fact
that that's there is just mind blowing.

Speaker 8 (01:34:03):
Let's talk about the what a lot of people want
to talk about. And I think because we all love,
I think we are all guilty of loving dates, I mean,
whether it's date setting, whether it's date suggesting, or maybe
it's just hopeful I mean, I mean, I would love
for the for to know the date of the rapture
or the date of the arrival at the second Coming.

(01:34:25):
And so let's talk about the twenty twenty five date. Okay,
there's this date. It's not just manufactured out of thin air.
Why you know, again, for the average person that doesn't
do this like what you guys do in the sense of,
you know, study full time and everything, why should twenty

(01:34:47):
twenty five be have any significance at all? Let's talk
about that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
Well, basically, just really quickly. They have a calendar and
their concept is there are seven thousand years between.

Speaker 9 (01:34:58):
The creations and these scenes have a scene between the.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Creation of Genesis and the creations of a new heaven
and a new Earth, so that encompasses six thousand years
of man's history and a millennial reign.

Speaker 9 (01:35:09):
They have that all mapped out.

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
So theoretically, if that's correct, the last thousand years starts
in the year six thousand, and they divide these into
jubilee periods fifty year periods, which sometimes they call generations.
And so with this they mark the Age of Creation,
the Age of Torah, and the Age of Grace, and
then a millennial rain. So not trying to set dates

(01:35:32):
per se, but on their calendar that last part should
start in the year six thousand. So the last generation
or the last fifty year period from before the year
six thousand would start in twenty twenty six. So the
year twenty twenty five is the jubilee or the fiftieth
year of a fifty year period. And so a lot

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of the scrolls talk about the fact that prophecy can
happen at any time, but the bulk of ofphees occur
at the change of the ages and the change of
the jubilee periods. So when we're looking at that and
we think about Jesus talking about the last generation, that
kind of thing, we see that a lot of prophecies
will probably happen in twenty twenty six to twenty seventy five.

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
Now, like I would have guessed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
The young or the the war end with Hamas would
have started a couple of years from now, but it
actually started, you know, last year, yep.

Speaker 8 (01:36:26):
So in thinking about this, I know, you know, my
backgrounds in the ancient eary East, and so there's you
have the Biblical chronology, the kings and everything else, and
they do a lot of renal years and you know
fifth king of you know, fifth year or so it's
such as well in thinking about that, you have the
trying to connect with a like an absolute date, you know,

(01:36:48):
in the sense of especially connecting with Egypt. Egypt is
very helpful when you look about the different dynasties of Egypt.
So in that case, you have the whether it's the
Egyptian chronology or even the Biblical chronology. Here you have
the a Scene chronology. So you have these different calendars
out there. I guess for us, we're we're sitting here

(01:37:08):
living in the Gregorian chronology right right, So Josh, how
do we get how do we anchor how do you
how do you guys, how do you anchor the Assine
calendar anywhere connected with the Gregrowian calendar, which will allow
us to understand why there's we're in twenty twenty five, Well,

(01:37:29):
it shouldn't two thousand years been there? So where does
it anchor at?

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Yeah, there are definitely differences. But Ken has actually developed
a really wonderful free tool on a website called DSS
calendar dot org where it puts it superimposes the A
scene calendar right onto our Gregorian calendar, so you could
look at and it doesn't for year to month to day.
We also do have a print version that he and
I worked on together of people if people are interested

(01:37:53):
in that, if they want to hang it on their wall.
But it's a it's a free resource and you can
use that to see like, okay, so today's you know
this day, what would of that? What would that be
on the assine calendar. So that helps out a lot too,
so then you don't have to do a bunch of
math every single time you want to figure it out.

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
And one thing that I wanted to mention.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
To about the prophecies being in the last jubilee Uh
and the final jubilee of the Age of Toras, so
their ages would be two thousand years of peace and
then there's a final like Sabbath age that's only a
thousand years. That's what we would call that the millennial
reign of Christ. Well at the at the last fifty
years of the Age of Torah that was between twenty

(01:38:32):
five AD and seventy five a d. According to our
understanding of or seventy six eighty. But it's that it's
in that time period. Well, the rapture is only one prophecy.
There's a lot of prophecies that we have that's going
to happen before Jesus returns and sets things straight for
the millennial reign. Well, when you think about that twenty

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five eighty, Jesus came the first time, probably around twenty nine,
thirty eighty, somewhere around the starting a ministry, Yeah, starting
as ministry, and then look at all of the prophecies
that got fulfilled in a really short amount of time
until he was killed in thirty two eighty and the
in dwelling of the Holy Spirit and all that, and
then and then finally you get you get a few

(01:39:13):
decades where things happened too until the destruction of the Temple.
But all that really important stuff that sets the stage
for the next age. They didn't have to wait till
till seventy five seventy six a d. For that to occur.
That happened pretty early in the final jubilee of the
Age of Torah. So while we can't put a specific date,
you know, we could say that, yeah, according to the

(01:39:35):
assine calendar twenty seventy six should be like the first
day of like the the New Age, if their calendar
is correct, and if it continues the way that we
think it's going to. But that doesn't mean that we
have to wait all that time, or even seven years
before that, necessarily for the rapture. There's a lot of
different ways that this could pan out. We could have

(01:39:56):
an early rapture, and you could have a gap between
the Rapture and the tribune that's one possibility. You could
also have a gap between the end of the Tribulation
and when the.

Speaker 7 (01:40:06):
Next age starts. How long is it going to take
for Jesus to judge everybody? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
How long is it going to take to set the
world up and to build the amazing temple in city
that we read about at the end of Ezekiel, which,
of course we all believe that's all totally literal, it's
not figurative. Well, that stuff takes time, and I don't
think Jesus is just gonna come down stamp its fingers
and everything's different. I think that stuff is going to
have to be built, So we don't necessarily have to

(01:40:30):
wait that long. We can't put a date on the rapture,
of course there is, and there's nothing in the Dead
Sea Scurolls saying any kind of date or anything like that.
It's really consistent with Biblical theology. There's little hints of
the rapture throughout it, but it doesn't give us a date,
so we don't know. But so the dates that we
have are more about a time frame rather than a

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specific date. So we're looking at a fifty year time
frame where a lot of things could happen early on,
just like just like it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:58):
Did at the end of the Age of Torus. So
I think I think that can kind of help hopefully
relieve some people when they hear twenty seventy five, I
gotta wait that long. I'm not gonna live that long.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:41:07):
Let's let's talk about that, because you know, and I've
just like to throw things out. This is where my
mind works. So we know on the Gregorian calendar that
we are if if Jesus, most New Testament scholars believe
Jesus was, was Chris Fine resurrected on thirty two or
thirty three eighty Okay, that's the kind of the those
two years. Some people will say twenty nine. But that's

(01:41:30):
not the best dad is that thirty two thirty three framework?

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
Okay, So.

Speaker 8 (01:41:36):
I don't think we've lost too much understanding in our calendar.
What I mean by that is here, let's fast forward
to twenty thirty two. Like, so here, what you've got
eight years from now? Well, it's pretty solid then that
there's two thousand years going from the time of Jesus
to this period of from thirty two a d. To

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twenty thirty two, And that is that's an age. That's
an age, right, I mean according to the scene calend
not calendar, but according to the scene chronology of two
thousand years being an age. So is is it possible?
And we also know that again seventy eighty the temple
was destroyed, So are are things? Are things based?

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
Could could it? Could it be off?

Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
Could could have the New Age began at the time
of Jesus' resurrection and then the temple gets destroyed forty
years later in the new still new Age of grace?

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
Could there could there be? Is it off?

Speaker 8 (01:42:35):
Could it be by forty years off? Because here's what
I'm saying is that if we let's say we come
to twenty seventy five, and uh, you know, we'll still
be here, Lord Willing. Maybe okay, that's that's that's forty
years from now. No, it's longer than that. It's fifty
years now. Maybe I won't be here. Okay, but let's
say we're sitting here and we're old and decrepit by
that time at twenty seventy five. Do But now we're looking, Hey,

(01:42:59):
it's been two thousand, thousand and forty years from the
time of Jesus' resurrection. That seems a little bit weird,
doesn't it that you would have not two thousand, you'd
have twosty.

Speaker 7 (01:43:09):
Understand what I'm say, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Yeah, So so the way that I understand it, they
would have a specific date as the beginning of the
next age, even if it doesn't specifically line up with
anything prophetic on that date. So there, so their final
jubilee in the Age of Torah would have started twenty
five AD, and I don't know that there was anything
specific that occurred there. Now now we would say, well,

(01:43:31):
the Church Age began in thirty two thirty three a
d with with the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, and yeah,
it did that's that that's when like the church really started.

Speaker 8 (01:43:40):
We're coming up to two thousand anniversary.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
But but the specific age in the way that they
lined out their chronology would have been twenty five to
seventy five. So the way that I kind of explained
it in the book is it seems like in these
final fifty year periods, and you can even see this
in every age. You see this in the first Stage too,
with the Tower of Babel and Call of Abraham and
all that. But it seems like there's this period of

(01:44:02):
time where prophecies start to happen to get ready for.

Speaker 7 (01:44:06):
The next age, so that when that you know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
Seventy five seventy six eighty date hits, everything is set
in place for the next age to begin, even if
some of that started early. So it would be like
if I was gonna throw a birthday party next Friday,
you know, well, I have I have some things to
prepare before then, So I gotta get a cake.

Speaker 7 (01:44:26):
Maybe I do that tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
I gotta get the presents, I gotta higher attractions, you know,
and I would spend the rest of this week like
doing all that. So I'm doing things to get ready
for the party. But that's not specifically the party, even
though they're all going to play important roles when the
party happens. So that at Friday at three o'clock, let's
say the party happens.

Speaker 7 (01:44:45):
I think it's kind of the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
So the way that I look at it, these these
final Jubilee periods, it's almost as if these two ages
are kind of like melding together, where you get the
start of one while the other one's winding down, and
so you get this kind of blending thing. So I
I don't think that we would say necessarily that well,
since thirty two AD that was the end dwelling of

(01:45:06):
the Holy Spirit, so that's the start of that age.
I don't think these things would have saw it like that.
That would have been one prophetic thing that.

Speaker 8 (01:45:12):
Happened in that age at the tail end, at.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
The end of the prepare for the next stage. Yeah,
and then but the official start would have been seventy
five seventy six AD. But that that's also why it's
really difficult to put exact set dates on this. It's
more of like time periods that we look at.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Does that make sense? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
The thing that I would add to that is I
think we can rock solid set dates for their calendar system. Yeah,
not necessarily the prophecies on it. So for instance, on
their system, which ends at seventy five, they talked about
the first coming of the Messiah when he would atone
for our sin nature, and the event that that would

(01:45:54):
occur is one Shmida after the end of the ninth
jubilee of that wellop. And if you look at the
end of the age being seventy five minus a whole
jubilee period which is twenty five, and then you go
forward to Shmieda, which is a seven year period, it
brings us to thirty two. So they're saying in it's
scroll eleven q. Thirteen, they're saying that the Messiah would

(01:46:15):
take care of our sin nature. Thirty two thirty three
AD is what we would put on our calendar, so
that you know, let's sink in really really well, give
or take a year. And so that means the end
of their calendar year for the year six thousand would
be seventy five or seventy six, twenty seventy five, two
seventy six. So I think that's pretty rock solid as

(01:46:38):
far as the other prophecies, like he's saying, I mean,
you've got Jesus being born thirty years later, dying, the
Church Age starting several years later, the destruction of the
Jerusalem Temple two years later, the taking down to the
Assine Temple, and then the end of the Age a
couple of years later, and then several years later you
got the Bar Kokomo Rebellion, and when that finally ended,

(01:47:00):
that pretty much ended everything. And then the Great Dispersion.
So you've got one hundred and fifty year period there
where all sorts of things happen as a group kind of,
and so we're seeing that today.

Speaker 9 (01:47:13):
Actually, if you take one.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
Hundred and fifty years before the year six thousand, you
had the Balfour Declaration, you had the establishment of Israel
in nineteen forty eight, the taking back of the Temple
Mountain sixty seven on, all the other things that have happened,
the new priesthood, the practice sacrifices that have started up,
So all those things are going in process.

Speaker 8 (01:47:34):
So the year six thousand, what Gregorian year would that
be twenty and seventy five? Oh okay, yeah, because that
would be the year six thousands. Okay, So let me
ask you this question. And again thinking out loud, here
is so. Ultimately, if we're comparing what we've experienced in
reality this in the sense of the Christian era. From

(01:47:58):
a Christian perspective, we would recognize theologically that the Age
of Grace began at Pentecost, right, and so, and we're
coming up on that two thousand years. You know, here
again we're ten years nine years short, or so eight
to nine years short. So does that make any any
difference in the sense of understanding that the Age of

(01:48:21):
Grace truly now not in an unseene way, but in
a practical way truly began at the time after Jesus's
death and resurrection.

Speaker 9 (01:48:31):
I would think it could.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
And I think it depends on how you use the term. Like,
for instance, I know in a lot of the Church Fathers,
they talk about how the Antichrist persecutes us, the believers
the church, and everybody says, oh, well, that's got to
be you know, post trim rapture type stuff. And when
you look at the way they use the church they're
talking about believers, they actually define it from Abraham forward.

(01:48:54):
So when they say church, and that's not how we
use church, right, I'm not saying you're right or wrong,
but they mean believers, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:49:02):
And so when we historically even all the way back right, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:49:04):
So when we say the Age of Grace, you and
I are talking about the church Age, and I think
they're talking about the Age of Grace on.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
The calendar, which may be different.

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
So the church Age and their Age of Grace might
be different than what we refer to as the church Age.

Speaker 8 (01:49:21):
So yeah, I mean, anything you want to add.

Speaker 7 (01:49:22):
To that, oh no, it just that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
So you know, you ask any Christian nowadays like like
how long is the church Age, and they'd say, well,
it's been about two thousand years, but we don't know
how long it's gonna last. It could be another six
thousand years. But if you were to ask in a
scene the same question, when they hear age, they're thinking
a two thousand year period specifically, so they would just
say two thousand years. So yeah, it just depends on
how we use the terms.

Speaker 8 (01:49:43):
Yeah, because obviously, you know, even in terms of you know,
the Torah as it relates to the you know, the
six hundred and thirty commands, I mean that came with Moses, yea,
you know, and in fourteen hundred, fourteen forty five, you know,
fourteen forty four pc. So that's that's certainly you many
centuries after Abraham, right, and so to have it be

(01:50:07):
super tight like that, exactly, it's hard to believe that
the Tora began with Abraham.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
It's still the age of Torah even before the Torah
came to be, because the Age of Tora would have
started with the call of Abraham, but it was again
setting up everything that needed to be for that age
to operate and work. So there's a lot of different
prophecies in different ways on how things can be, when
things can happen within certain ages. But it's like, what
is that period mostly known for.

Speaker 7 (01:50:31):
That's the Age of Torah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
As a matter of fact, according to some of the
manuscripts it talks about the age of Torah or teaching
is supposed to start with the guy that starts the.

Speaker 9 (01:50:43):
Group of people.

Speaker 5 (01:50:44):
So Abraham, Isaac and Jacob kind of are the ones
that started Israel, and the nation of Israel would bring Messiah.

Speaker 9 (01:50:51):
So that's the start of the Age of Torah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
And when you look at their chronology, the call of
Abraham when he was fifty two, not when he went
down to Canaan, but when he was called actually was
the year two thousand on their calendar, so that hit
exactly at the end of an age.

Speaker 8 (01:51:06):
So I mean, and so here we're talking about, you know,
we're coming up on the year, you know, twenty twenty five.
You know, we're we're got six months left to twenty
four or so, seven months left. Then what's significant then,
in the sense of trying to explain the scene calendar,
what's happening.

Speaker 7 (01:51:27):
Let's let's go.

Speaker 8 (01:51:27):
To March March of twenty twenty five spring equinox. Let's
talk about what is significant about that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
It begins This next March begins the fiftieth year of
this jubilee period, and then the following year is the
last generation or the last jubilee before that. So we
should start seeing a lot of prophecy fulfilled. And we
have seen things that we've never seen before, like Iran
actually attacking Israel. That's prophesied in several scrolls and in

(01:51:54):
you know, scriptures, but.

Speaker 9 (01:51:55):
We've never seen that before.

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
And now this was short lived, but it's not the
only time this is going to happen, because there's some
great details in that we've seen a lot of things
happen with Israel.

Speaker 9 (01:52:06):
And we will begin to see a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:52:07):
Wars, a lot of expansion, a lot of different things.
Zephy and Iyah Obadiah talks about the time when they
colonize the Negaev, they take back Gaza, they control Lebanon
up to Zerophath, which is the six miles north of
the Tawny River, which is where they're saying they're going
to take and control that now as part of the

(01:52:31):
whether that actually happens or whether it happens in some
political figure later on gives the land back, which has
happened multiple times. Either way, we see it in prophecy.
So there's a lot of interesting things happening.

Speaker 8 (01:52:44):
Any think Josh I think he covered it. So you know,
I'm just gonna I know what all of you are
thinking out there, and I'm going to be your advocate
right now. Okay, Now, I don't want to believe that
we have until twenty seventy five.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Okay, that well, that's just till the beginning of the millennium. Right,
So we got a tribulation, we have all sorts of
prophecies that need to be fulfilled in that time, and
they could all come early, because there's again it's perfectly
reasonable to have the end of the tribulation and still
have some decades before the next age starts, and because

(01:53:22):
there might there might be things that need to be done. Again,
how long does how long does it take for Jesus
to judge everybody at that time?

Speaker 7 (01:53:29):
How long does it take.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
To build the temple and for people to you know,
beat their swords into plowshares and to get the word
around the whole world this is the way that things
are now?

Speaker 7 (01:53:39):
How long does it take to build that temple and
that and that city?

Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
They're talking like the millennial till yeah, the millennial like.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
That we read about in Ezekiel, Like, how long does
all of that take? I don't And again, I don't
think it's going to be the day that Jesus plants
his feet on the ground all of a sudden, this
stuff is miraculously just there. It could be, and I
don't know for sure, again, because there's a lot of
different ways as could play out, but it could be
that takes time. And again, another option is you could
have an early rapture in a later tribulation. And you

(01:54:06):
could have because the rapture isn't what starts the tribulation.

Speaker 7 (01:54:09):
It's you know, the Covenant.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
The signing of the confirmation of the Covenant with many
is what starts the tribulation. So there's a theory out
there that it's possible you could have the rapture happen
and you could have years in between that and the tribulation.
So that's a possibility as well. I'm like you, I
don't want to believe that we have to wait till
I'll be ninety years old. Yeah, if I make it
that long. So but so there are different ways, and

(01:54:33):
it might be that, but there are there are ways
to look at it where there's nothing preventing a rapture
from the rapture from happening immediately today, before we even
finish this interview.

Speaker 7 (01:54:42):
There's nothing preventing that, and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Then you can still have all of those prophecies happen
within that period and still have the calendar makes sense,
Or maybe Jesus was just literally, I'm gonna cut the
day short and we're not gonna wait till twenty seventy five.
So there's God can do whatever he wants. But I
think the consistent view would be to look at twenty
seven seventy six to be the time where everything is
put in place, everything is finished, where we can start

(01:55:06):
the first day of the Millennial rain. Everything's done, temple's built,
city's built, everybody knows the new rules, they know the festivals,
all the other nations know that they got to come
up for tabernacles, and just every everything's done. And I
would think, just practically, that's probably going to take some
time to set up. I don't think it's going to
be able to be done the last day of the tribulation.

(01:55:28):
But you know, again, there's different ways to look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:31):
Yeah, I think that's a good point. The whole idea
of the scripture says that those days will be cut short.
Now that might be five days, where it might be
days like a couple of decades, could be five decades.

Speaker 8 (01:55:42):
Could it be a whole jubilee cut short?

Speaker 9 (01:55:44):
I would assume I would.

Speaker 5 (01:55:46):
I wouldn't think it'd be a whole jubilee. Of course,
if that's the case, the rapture should have happened a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:55:51):
Yea, So yeah, so no, I guess not. Yeah, because
you know what you.

Speaker 8 (01:55:55):
Start thinking about again, I love you know we're not
date sitting here, but it's fun to spec it. I mean,
I mean that no one's sitting to day, but it's
fun to think out loud about the possibilities. And you know,
we're all to be No matter what we decide today
or not figure out or whatever, we're still going to
get up tomorrow and do the Lord's work. And no
one's quitting their jobs. I find it go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:56:18):
I think one point that we need to remember too
is we're talking about calendar systems which may or may
not be one hundred percent accurate. If we looked at
the modern Jewish calendar and tried to pinpoint the year
six thousand, it's over two hundred and twenty years away.
I'd much rather have it be fifty years instead of
two twenty. Yeah, you know, so if we're looking at

(01:56:38):
the Gregorian calendar, I think we missed it by twenty
four years. So it's just like it's a calendar system.

Speaker 8 (01:56:44):
Well, and that's kind of what I look at too,
is you know again we are you know, when when
Pope Gregory, you know again Gregory, and when he when
he's he's looking at you know, the Julian calendar, the
Roman calendar, and then he starts like, you know, we
need to make this a little bit better, at least
christianize it, right was certainly that's what he did as
a Catholic. Well, you know, he looked back and he

(01:57:06):
could see there were some discrepancies. I think he'd dropped
like thirteen days or sixteen days off of He's like, well,
this doesn't work, so let's just we're going to evaporate
those and we're going to squeeze it all together. Which,
again that's the nature of looking at different calendar systems.
You know, Egyptians used to have a tending week. I mean,
you have stuff like that. So I think what what
I look at is that's what I was leading up to. Well,

(01:57:29):
if the thirty two to thirty three date of Jesus's
death or resurrection is relatively accurate, which I think most
scholars would recognize that's true, then we're coming up on
an age ending. So, even if it's not necessarily connected
to the specifics of the Seeing calendar, their idea of

(01:57:51):
what an age would be as two thousand years, and
in my mind, I like the idea much better. I'm sorry, guysense,
no offense. I like the idea of thinking, which again
it's not a prophecy by any means, of thinking, that
the Church age, the Church had an opportunity to evangelize
the world for a full age and that would end

(01:58:12):
roughly around thirty two or thirty three a d.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Yeah, Jesus might come back in that year to finish
what he started when and then there's still time for
the tribulation before that, I mean, And if that's the case, man,
the rapture should be come up pretty soon.

Speaker 8 (01:58:25):
Because what I find fascinating is going back to some
of the other stuff that you and I have talked before,
Josh about even a pofice and yeah, thinking in terms
not so much of the of the twenty twenty nine date,
but of the twenty thirty six date, yeah, which I
find interesting too that you know, again, I don't think
we could prove that a pofice arrives at three point

(01:58:47):
five years into the tribulation to that level of specificity.
But if we were to go with that as a theory,
I know, talking to you and Derek and even Tom
was you know, then you subtract vere and a half
years roughly that it brings you to the fall of
twenty twenty five, so you think, oh wow. But if
we were to look at it differently in the sense

(01:59:09):
of a thirty three date or thirty two with that
twenty thirty six, you know, in the middle of twenty
thirty six, and you take three and a half off
of that, it brings you back. It brings you back
if a pofus was to hit the Earth hypothetically in
twenty thirty six. Because even Neil Neil degrest Tyson. I
have a clip from him not too long ago where

(01:59:30):
he describes that the twenty twenty nine arrival of Apofue.
He said, he's specially there's this key hole. There is
the language that we use. And if it comes through
and it's supposed to come under twenty thousand, around twenty
thousand miles near the surface of the Earth in twenty
twenty nine, well the moon's at you know, to forty

(01:59:51):
two hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
And forty thousand.

Speaker 8 (01:59:52):
So the way he was describing it was, if it
comes through this key hole, it's going to affect the trajectory,
the orbital trajectory, the pofice, so that when it comes
back this is his words, secular guy, He's not He's
not a Christian. He said, if it comes to this
queue the sixth center mile key hole in twenty twenty
nine and just scrapes us, it will hit us in

(02:00:13):
twenty thirty six.

Speaker 7 (02:00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:00:15):
I found that really amazing that he was willing to
say that publicly because he's he's got a lot of
steak in his mindset. But again, that idea would then
fit with a twenty thirty three.

Speaker 7 (02:00:26):
The dates still work date.

Speaker 8 (02:00:27):
That dates work, which gives me some hope that I
won't be I was born in seventy four, nineteen seventy four,
so you're so young. Well, at the end of it,
I'll be Uh, I'll be one hundred and two, gentlemen,
I was born in eighty four, so okay, so give
me a little younger than give me a little younger
than me.

Speaker 9 (02:00:43):
You're both young.

Speaker 5 (02:00:44):
I was born in sixty I don't say born.

Speaker 9 (02:00:47):
It's been so long. Sixty five sixty five, yeah, nineteen five.

Speaker 8 (02:00:51):
So we got twenty years apart, ten years apart. Yeah,
so you'll be one hundred and ten.

Speaker 5 (02:00:56):
Rough if I do the asscene diet and use the
herbal medicine just right, yeah, I might still be well.

Speaker 9 (02:01:02):
I think it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:01:03):
No matter how you look at it, all those dates
and speculations, you notice it's all in the last jubilee, Yeah,
which is in the last generation according to the scrolls.

Speaker 8 (02:01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
There's even another one at twenty sixty eight date, and
that's seven years from twenty seventy five.

Speaker 8 (02:01:17):
It really is, Yeah, the twenty sixty eight of office dates.
So I mean, needless to say, I think all of us,
regardless of whether we look at the scene calendar, where
we look at anything else, the average person. I mean,
come on, guys, the average person. That is just all
of us here we are. I mean thinking about the world.

(02:01:39):
I think about my and when I mean the average person,
I'm thinking about you know, the not in an academic sense.
I don't really mean it now. I just mean like
my brothers or my sisters, the average American out there
that's sitting there just living life and not necessarily focused
on prophecy. They're looking around and they're going, man, the
world's changed. Something has changed. And so when we see

(02:02:00):
when we see this and we see Israel becoming a
nation in nineteen forty eight, you know, them controlling the
Old City in nineteen sixty seven, in Jerusalem. We are
not this isn't I don't see. Oh, well, you know,
Jesus will come back in a thousand years. No, the
fact that God brought Israel back in nineteen forty eight

(02:02:21):
was the big sign, yeah, that we are approaching the
end of the age. And now, of course we've seen
a prophecy begin to unfold. So as we look, we
don't even need the as scene calendar to tell us that,
right right, we can just look around and say, yes,
here we are. But then to have some of these
other calendars come and they seem very consistent, it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 7 (02:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:39):
Yeah, it's really interesting too because according to the scenes,
at the end of every age there's always an apostasy.
So in the first Age there's the Tower of Babel incident,
second Age we got everything with Jesus and the Pharisees,
and there was clearly apostasy going on there. And then
you look at the if this is the end of
our age, you look at the world today, this is
so different than any other time in history with the

(02:03:00):
technology that we have, I mean, and it's almost hard
to realize it because we've been born into it. So
it just seems normal to us, But human beings, as
far as we know, have never lived like this like that,
this is so weird and different, and it's brought up
so much like debauchery, and really you'd call it apostacy,
like it's brought up so much opportunities for more evil,

(02:03:24):
more than we've ever seen in the history of the world.
And to me, it's like that's too weird to just
not be anything. Like why is it now, all of
a sudden that we have this big technological revolution.

Speaker 7 (02:03:36):
I mean, it wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 3 (02:03:37):
We were still we were still using horses and carriages
and stuff. And why is it now, I mean, why
couldn't the Greeks have done that? They could have They
they were smart, you know, they had math and everything,
and any other nation could have done that at any
other time. But it was like there was something restraining
it charged word. But and it seems like that whatever

(02:03:58):
that restraining is is kind of lifting, you know, And
and all of a sudden we live in this crazy,
weird world and it's just we're we're in a place,
especially now where you cannot believe anything. We have more
evidence for things than we've ever had before. We got
video evidence and you know, nobody ever had that before.
But you can't believe anything you see on TV. You
can't believe any video you see. If you see a

(02:04:20):
video of Donald Trump saying something, you don't know if
it's a deep fake or if that was actually real.
And that that's like the world we're in now. I
mean again, I'm only like forty years old, but it's
so different from the eighties.

Speaker 7 (02:04:31):
I mean, we didn't have any of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:04:33):
Yeah, but now, I mean, and it's exponentially, it's it's
getting faster and faster and faster, to the point where
every year doesn't feel anything like the last. So for
that to be just nothing and just to be business
as usual, it's not significant at all.

Speaker 7 (02:04:49):
I'm not buying it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
I think I think we're at the end of an
age here, and I think this kind of thing is
what we'd expect.

Speaker 8 (02:04:55):
I think we have the These are those correspondences that
come to play where we can look around again, the
average person knows that that the world has changed again,
even unbelievers, what the world, What has happened especially to
our country and other things, all the wokeness, all the
all the gender confusion. I mean, this is this is

(02:05:16):
crazy stuff. And then to have these other convergences of
the calendars coming to be. Uh, you know, if you
if you want more information, I'll certainly go to a
Prophecy watches dot com check out our bookstore. Both both
of these guys are on there, and we carry all
of your material.

Speaker 3 (02:05:31):
Yeah, I should mention too my my new book, the
Super Expanded Version, seven hundred and twelve pages. It's going
to be available at prophecy watchers dot com. And again
I'm only a couple of days away from a few
days away from the launch.

Speaker 7 (02:05:42):
It could be by the time this airs it might
already be out.

Speaker 3 (02:05:45):
So people should check out prophecywatchers dot com and keep
checking every day because it's gonna be on there.

Speaker 8 (02:05:49):
So yeah, and we'll we'll definitely, uh, we'll definitely come
back and do a one on one interview for sure
on that and uh, once I get my my greedy
little hands on it and to do it. And so
you know both that you guys kind of share in
addition to you know, obviously you've joined us here, which
we're excited about. But where can people find out more
information about what you're doing?

Speaker 4 (02:06:08):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
Sure, Well, my other website is Daily Renegade dot com
and that's a place where I put all of my videos.
I talk a lot about Dead Sea scroll stuff, and
then also like quant physics or and prophecy. Anything related
to prophecy I talk about. That's on Daily Renegade dot com.
And I'm also on YouTube. But I like using the
website because on the website I can say whatever I want.

(02:06:29):
I don't have to deal with censorship issues, and so
there's that. I'm also on Facebook and pretty much anywhere
that people want to try to find me, they can
find me there.

Speaker 7 (02:06:39):
But yeah, the main other website is Daily Renegade dot com.

Speaker 8 (02:06:41):
Ken about how do people find you?

Speaker 9 (02:06:43):
I'm at Bible facts dot org.

Speaker 5 (02:06:46):
We do a live Monday teaching on YouTube which is
doing very well, and like you, I try to give
out as much information I can, saying it the right
way so I won't get in any trouble. But we
do have a private network, Bible facts dot org, so
we can come there and speak freely and discuss things.

Speaker 9 (02:07:04):
So it's getting really interesting.

Speaker 8 (02:07:06):
Yeah, it really is. Any I know, you just got
a new book, and Ken has a new book, Ancient
Prophecies from the Dead Sea Scrolls. You will see more
about that and other programs that we've already recorded. Any
other projects you guys are working on, I mean, and
you guys are just I always say to say, it's like, man,
I just got done with this, But any other things
in the works.

Speaker 5 (02:07:24):
Ken, Yeah, I'm doing a couple of things. This is
probably the last big effort of Dead Sea Scrolls, the
prophetic part.

Speaker 9 (02:07:32):
Anyway, there's other things to look at.

Speaker 5 (02:07:34):
But now that I've got the Church Fathers and the
Dead Sea Scrolls halfway straight in my mind, I want
to put together a master prophecy book Bible Prophecy, dead
Sea Scroll Prophecy, and others, with some charts, photos and
stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (02:07:49):
And I think that would really open up.

Speaker 8 (02:07:51):
How they coincide with each other.

Speaker 9 (02:07:52):
Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:07:54):
And so I'm going through all of my previous books
and I'm updating and expanding all all of them because
I write on a lot of different topics, all pretty
much relating to prophecy.

Speaker 7 (02:08:04):
But I find it so fascinating I.

Speaker 3 (02:08:06):
Keep up with this stuff and keep notes, and I've
realized that like even my even the quantum physics books
that I have out there, I have so much more
information on that now, So I'm gonna be that's probably
gonna be my next project after this Forgotten Prophecies of
the Dead Sea Squirrels book. I'm going to take everything
that I've written about Quantum Physicscerned, you know, everything, compile

(02:08:26):
it all together at a bunch of new information that
I've come up with in the years since up to
up to present day, and put out put out one
expanded version of all that for people. And then you
and I are working on a documentary together about the
Prea Trie Rapture, and I'm really excited about that. So
we're doing that, doing a lot of stuff here at

(02:08:48):
Prophecy Watchers, and then as far as after that, after
that the Quantum Physics Cern book, I don't know. We'll see, uh,
we'll see what the Lord has in store.

Speaker 7 (02:08:57):
Amen to that.

Speaker 8 (02:08:58):
Well, this has been great. I hope you've enjoyed our conversations.

Speaker 7 (02:09:01):
Again.

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Colorado Springs here in June. Ask you to join us
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