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Speaker 8 (02:56):
Welcome to bad Press, where we do the deep dive
so you don't have to. Today is August first, twenty.
I'm your co host, Trevor, joined by David. David. How
are you.

Speaker 9 (03:07):
I'm doing pretty good. Excited to be here, excited to
be back.

Speaker 8 (03:12):
Don't don't lie to you, don't lie to your audience.
I know you're having a terrible day.

Speaker 9 (03:16):
No I did. I got in a I got in
a car accident today, but luckily everyone everyone was okay.
Car is not totaled. Other guy's car is not totaled.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
So the CIA is clearly trying to keep you from
the deep dive. Sharing the deep dive that you're about
to share.

Speaker 9 (03:39):
I would agree with you, except that I was at
fault for the accident, so maybe I'm trying to maybe
I'm trying to sabotage myself. Yes, you, I'm working for
the CIA, and I just I'm an unwitting agent. I
just don't know.

Speaker 8 (03:54):
They hit you with the car accident gun. You'd think
it was your fault, but it wasn't.

Speaker 9 (03:58):
Right.

Speaker 8 (03:59):
Well, so all sorts of stuff has happened this week.
CEOs have been assassinated, trade deals have been done or
not done, Wars have been waged. What are we talking
about tonight?

Speaker 9 (04:15):
We are continuing with uh, part two of our Epstein
Epstein Epstein.

Speaker 8 (04:25):
You're still talking about Epstein.

Speaker 9 (04:27):
I know it's it's old news. Everyone needs to forget.

Speaker 8 (04:30):
Nobody cares.

Speaker 9 (04:31):
Move on. We've got you know, another I don't know.
See you might have to briefly catch me up. Give
me the four one one on the Blackstone CEO thing.
I mean, I'm aware of it, but I I try
not to watch the news.

Speaker 8 (04:51):
It's probably good not to poison your mind with whatever
version of events is being reported. I don't, I don't
know a whole lot. Just real quick, before we get
into Epstein. It was it was a a woman, pretty
young woman, which is sad. I don't know if she
had children or not. Either way, It's sad, obviously, but
it's being it was sort of presented like it was.

(05:13):
It was just a sort of random assortment of victims,
and many different narratives kind of dominated the headlines. But
one of the narratives is that she was Luigi's meaning
she was targeted for assassination by a regular guy going
after you know, Luigi. That's the verb that's being used,

(05:36):
and obviously we don't know if that's true. It is
odd that it wasn't really reported that a CEO of
a major company was one of the victims. It was
kind of odd. She's not the CEO of black Stone,
She's the CEO of their real estate investment trust. So
for folks who don't know, this is just it's basically

(05:58):
like a publicly traded mutual fund that buys real estate
and reats can be kind of like not mister Burns
from Simpsons. They can buy like moles or as is
the case with Blackstone and black Rock, they can buy
single family homes and they can buy the whole neighborhood

(06:19):
and Jacob Brint and you know, people hate them obviously,
and so it seems like that might have been the
case for this individual. But we don't know. We do
not know the details, at least I don't.

Speaker 9 (06:32):
Yeah, that's what I received an email from the NFL.
Somehow I got subscribed into there.

Speaker 8 (06:40):
Yeah, there was an NFL connection too that Murray told
me about one of our listeners, Well when a Happy
Fool's listeners.

Speaker 9 (06:46):
Yeah, and it was like a we stand we stand
strong together, and it was like something to do with CTE.
He wanted science to study his brain. But what you're
saying of like when the CEO of a subsidiary of

(07:07):
Blackstone gets.

Speaker 8 (07:10):
It, doesn't It doesn't make a ton of sense.

Speaker 9 (07:12):
It does seem it does seem like a little bit
of Luigi Man.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
But it is such a weird thing to fake, Like
why would you fake unless you just want this guy
to make him out to be crazy. That maybe there's
some legitimate fear that average Joe's are starting to assassinate CEOs.
I mean, that is a reasonable thing to be kind
of freaked out about. I guess, you know, but yeah,
it could have just been random. But he he pretty

(07:40):
much went straight to the elevator shot. I know he
shot a security guard and bystanders also hit unclear if
they were hit on you I believe they died. I
really shouldn't talking about this. I don't know the details,
but it kind of seems like he made a b
line for the elevator, went to the thirty third floor,
which is another kind of odd coincidence, right, and went

(08:01):
right to this lady's office and killed her. So seems
like it seems targeted. But who know, the NFL connection
is very strange.

Speaker 9 (08:12):
Yeah, that's what. It seems like, a very strange case.
And now the before and then after this we can
kind of move on. But is black Stone connected to
black Rock?

Speaker 8 (08:23):
Well, they probably own parts of each other, but I
don't think they're formally related. But I don't actually know.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 9 (08:32):
Because stones and rocks are, as I understand it, very similar.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
They are similar, and they're both black. In this case, yeah.

Speaker 9 (08:39):
Yeah, to have black Rock and black Stone, it seems.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
Like there's really not much of a distinction between the two,
Like I kind of I heard a lot of people like, oh,
it wasn't black Rock, it was black Stone, but I'm like,
it's the same difference. I mean, they both have like
ten trillion dollars in assets under management. Like, I'm not
really sure. I want would more significant than the other.
Pretty much all the companies in the world are owned

(09:04):
by black Rock, Blackstone, Vanguard, these major fun so I'm
not sure other than like Larry Fink is a more
well known CEO, I guess so.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
Well, if any if anybody listening to tell us, yeah,
if anybody listening has any more information wants us to
look a little deeper than email. Yeah, either comments somewhere
or email. You can email editor at hemispheric Press dot
com and I'll read I'll read your email.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
I was gonna say, well, what email are you going
to give out? Because I haven't made one. Hemispheric Press
has one? Awesome, Okay, cool, And folks who don't.

Speaker 9 (09:46):
Know Hemispheric Press, it's you know.

Speaker 8 (09:50):
Yes, it is confusing. The podcast bad Press is the
official podcast of Hemispheric Press, our boutique publishing company. If
you want to publish a book, email the same email
editor at hemisphere Press dot com. All right, so let's
talk about this thing that personally I think we should

(10:12):
just move on from and only losers are interested in it.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
Apparently, Yeah, I mean that's it's I mean old news.
He's been Epstein's been dead for six years. So in
today's news cycle. That's like, I mean, i'd like, I mean,
at least two decades.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
You're you're getting ready to like give us really cool information.
You're going to be connecting a lot of dots. It's elevated,
I think from the typical discussion you might hear about Epstein.
But allow me to what's the word I'm looking for,
like denigrate it, like bring it down to the mundane,

(10:58):
gross world of politics, because that's all that's all I
really know about this topic is what I hear in
the news and the podcast sphere. And it does seem
like there is kind of a movement which I get
to kind of say, like, yeah, Trump like to kind

(11:20):
of kind of separate Trump from this a little bit,
which is fine. I don't I mean, who knows, But
there is this idea like, yeah, he kicked him out
of his Epstein out of his club after it became
clear he was a you know, pedophile or inappropriate and yeah,
there's there's okay, there's some things you can point to
and ohhen Epstein doesn't even or sorry, Trump doesn't even

(11:40):
have the list. It's all sealed by judges. And but
I think we just have to say that this whole
situation was bungled terribly.

Speaker 9 (11:54):
Yes, it has been either intentionally or unintentionally bungled.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
Like if you were the pr advisor to Trump, what
would you tell him to do? Like before before he
said there's no such thing as Jeff Epstein.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
I would begin with first of all talking to the
at the Palm Beach Police and beginning to piece together
I would begin examining his first arrest in Palm Beach

(12:33):
and two thousand and six, and then launch an investigation
into the Department of Justice they're handling of that case.

Speaker 8 (12:42):
So I think, I think in that case you're trying,
you're actually trying to solve the problem. But I'm even
I'm even taking more of a superficial angle, Like just
from a public relations perspective, my advice to him would be,
don't pretend like this isn't an issue. You know, your
base cares about this. A big percentage of Americans believe

(13:06):
that there was an international pedophilic sex trafficking ring used
to blackmail our politicians. And it's not like they're crazy
to believe that there's convictions, you know, and and so
why in a million years, like who let me? Maybe

(13:28):
no one lets this guy do anything. But who in
a millionaires would let Trump go out there and say, ah,
there's no there's nothing here, nothing to see here. It
just seems crazy, like who would think that anyone would
actually fall for that? A shockingly a lot of people have,
which has been disappointing.

Speaker 9 (13:45):
Yeah, and that's what I mean, I think, Like, I mean,
I was looking at just a little bit bit of
like Trump's approval rating and because I was listening to
that Tim Dillon podcast with Alex Jones that you sent me,
and it was talking about how he'd lost like you know,
it wasn't something that was completely crippling immediately, but like

(14:07):
he lost like five or six points of support with
his base. He lost like a significant portion of independent support.
And it was directly corroborated with directly correlated seemingly with
his handling of the Epstein investigation. And so it does

(14:27):
seem in a way like it's in the bass has
been you know, rock solid for ten years.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Pretty much anything like nothing, And I was kind of
a part of that base in a lot of ways.
Now I'm not sure what I think, but but yeah,
I mean there because everyone just had such a distrust
of the criticism of him, it seemed it seemed phony,
it seemed partisan. I think a lot of people didn't

(14:55):
really buy it. And he kind of had this mentality
of like the stick enough for the comm and man
because everyone's lost so much faith in American institutions and
so it was very much like, hey, we're gonna, you know,
drain the swamp kind of thing. And so you've got
to recognize that if you come in and say there
is no such thing as the swamp, right yeah, to

(15:18):
your base that wants you to drain the swamp, that
that would just be terrible. And you, yes, there's no
reason for him to care about his approval rating, but
you would think you would sort of care about like
how he'll be remembered in the political fortunes of his
family and things. Which makes me wonder if there is
just something more important going on, and I don't know

(15:44):
what that is.

Speaker 9 (15:45):
So what I kind of what I kind of think
is that, Okay, so we're talking about a sexual blackmail
scheme to entrap politicians. So who The question then becomes is, yeah,
I mean, we want to know who the where, we
want to know who the pedophiles are one, and we
should pursue, you know, those inquiries, you know, as fiercely

(16:10):
as we can. But another more important question that seems
to get lost in all of it is who is
running the blackmail? Like who's behind it? Who is the
one organizing you know, who's the mastermind of the operation.
And if like my take on it from like what

(16:30):
I've read is that the people kind of behind Trump,
like maybe not even names that were really aware of,
but like, right, members of kind of like this wing
of the Republican Party that is, you know, I think
a little further right then we could say, like George

(16:51):
Bush than kind of like you know, some of the
more traditional Republicans, the people kind of some of the
people behind the magat movie.

Speaker 8 (16:58):
What what do you mean by a right? No, I'm not,
I'm not criticizing the term, like, but what does that
mean to you?

Speaker 9 (17:07):
To me, it means like really going heavy after immigration
in terms like I don't think George Bush was as hardline.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Well, I mean he was the exact opposite, because back
then Republicans liked the legal immigration. So that's a weird flat.

Speaker 9 (17:24):
And that's what is So that's what it's like, I
guess the way that we define the right today is
like we've completely redefined like political lines have been. You know,
we're going through like a huge political shift, and like
what people like, what parties believe in, what people believe in.
So I guess I mean just like the makers of
the new right, not necessarily further right, but the new right.

Speaker 8 (17:48):
Is yeah, probably. I see the immigration thing as an
appeal to what you would call Trump's space, which is
kind of blue caller workers. You know, open immigration is
not good for those individuals, right, just for wage deflation. Right,

(18:09):
So that to me that is like, okay, that makes sense.
But to do this Epstein reversal, it's time to.

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Speaker 8 (19:01):
That is like such a direct pivot away from what
I would say, like the magabase is all about that.
It makes me feel to your point, like there are
people in Trump's circle that just clearly have very different
interests than his base does, and those interests might be
protecting the intelligence agencies that put this blackmail ring together,

(19:22):
which I think is where you're going with this.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
Well, that's what That's what I think is that I
think that like some of the people will kind of
behind Trump and like behind the making of the new
right behind MAGA, are involved in more so the organization
aspect of it. Yeah, and that gets into like, you know,
I think the one that you'd have to really look

(19:45):
into further for that is like Peter Thiel and his work,
like his ties to the intelligence community and his company's
ties to Israel and a lot of these different you
know kind of reads that we are pulling on, you know,
in this series, like theel kind of starts to show up,

(20:06):
and he starts to show up in like, you know,
kind of psychological warfare, which blackmail is a form of
you know, it's a form of physical violence to you know,
the victims, but it's also a form of psychological warfare
to you know, the people being blackmailed, you know, even
though they you know, they deserve torture, you know, torture

(20:27):
or whatever. But like that's what So then my question becomes, Okay,
so what motive, Like if you have this blackmail, what
is your motivation to tell the truth? Like you have
these politicians by the balls, So why would you ever

(20:48):
let go? You know, in what you're doing by putting
all these stories in the media and by arresting Epstein
and allegedly murdering him, you know what you're doing by
that as you're showing them that like, hey, we have
this blackmail on you, and like we're not afraid to
scare you by threatening to use it, by like putting

(21:08):
these stories in the media. But it's what it becomes
is like this dance where it's like there's nothing that
actually happens. It's just a bunch of talk. It's just
a bunch of like lip service. And then when the
rubber meets the road and it comes time to like, okay,
well what happened, then nobody's actually going to say anything

(21:30):
because either your party is implicated in the crimes as
it looks like is the case with a lot of Democrats,
or you may have been like your party may have
been involved in organizing, you know, the blackmail operation.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
Which everybody's guilty.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
Yes, yeah, and that's it, and then it's just like
and then you lose like by telling the truth and
all that stuff, and by getting everyone out of there,
you lose the leverage that you have from the blackmail.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
And so that's literally the true both helps no one
in this situation, is what you're saying, other than regular
people and closure.

Speaker 9 (22:06):
That's yeah. And you know there's people who are going
after the truth, but it's not in the you know,
it's not through the the mainstream channels. You know, it's
not like your typical you know, I'm sure there's all
sorts of conspiracy theories around, like Watergate and the official
narrative around that. But it's not like you know, you
have like Dan rather, you know, going after Watergate on yeah,

(22:30):
you know Channel five.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
You know, that's get I get. I get the reference,
even though I think that also is an op.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
But I yeah, that's what like, I guess it's it's
a different dynamic of this.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
There's no mainstream investigation, which I think if I was
advising Trump would be my advice. Listen, buddy Trump, all
you know, there's already a bunch of stuff about you
and Epstein out there already. You know you're not going
to find anything if you dig into this, but just
say you're gonna try, you know, like just appease the

(23:04):
public and say we're going to get to the bottom
of this. I've got Pam BONDI looking into it, I've
got the DOJ And if you're a pervert or coming
for you like that would be It's be such an
easy win. And if it was a lie, that suck,
but still it people lie in politics. It would be
such an easy win. So the fact that he didn't
do that, it just boggles my mind. I don't get

(23:26):
it could just be incompetence. I don't know. Last saying
I promise then we'll move on to the real information.
I agree that certainly one aspect of this was a
blackmail operation. However, I don't know. I don't think blackmail
gets you this far because you know, it's reminds me
of this Nexium cult story. I don't know if you

(23:49):
remember that. But one of the things is really a
little bit yeah, oh nice. Well, one aspect of that
was that, you know a lot of sexual blackmail, like
send us a picture of yourself naked, or tell or
having an affair with another nd blah blah blah, and
we're gonna hold on to that, you know, put put
our name on your mortgage, like just all sorts of leverage. Writer,

(24:09):
It's all about leverage. But the thing is when you
get when you have leverage over someone, you are now
in an adversarial relationship.

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Speaker 8 (25:18):
And a certain percentage of people are either gonna think
that they can win and try, or they're gonna be
willing to be burned because they're now at war with you.
Like if the massade has pictures of you doing bad
things and you're a perver, your scumbag, you know a
certain percentage of those scumbags are gonna say screw you,

(25:39):
and they're and they're gonna they're gonna try to even
at their own demise. I just think blackmail doesn't work
at scale, which makes me think, like a certain amount
of these people it's more than just blackmail. It's like
they're like in some sort of club together. Yeah, you
know what I mean, it's a group dynamic that's not

(26:00):
just blackmail.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
I totally agree with that. Yeah, I mean, which is Yeah,
and that's when you get into you get into extremely
strange I mean stranger even than just like an elite
pedophile ring existing. You get into very strange waters when
you get into like these cult yeah, secret society and

(26:22):
secret society activities, stuff like that. One hundred and Yeah.
I don't have like but there's there's hints of it.
There's hints of what you're saying, Like, there's not you
know the nature of this kind of like research. You know,
you're gonna find threads and then you're gonna like pull
this there and then it's gonna lead to kind of

(26:43):
like this circumstantial dead end. But there are definitely hints
along the way of of something like you're what you're
talking about, So you mentioned nexium and are you aware
of like the Finder's Cult? You know what that is? Well,
we'll go ahead. This kind of like it's tangentially.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's let's stop the pontificating on
my bart, let's get into the deats.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
Yeah, and this is one where it was like, I
didn't know if we would really talk about, you know,
some of these peripheral like pedophilia scandals, but this one
definitely I think is relevant enough because it deals with
So the story is and I'm let me look up
the date real quick so that I can kind of

(27:28):
place this.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
While you're while you're looking that up. Hopefully this doesn't
take us on another tangent. But I did listen to
the Candice Owens Tucker interview today. Man, good, everybody's a pedophile. Man,
everyone in charge is a pedophile, is what I decided,
Like eight PC, like, I don't want to be that guy. Conspira.

(27:54):
This is not a necessarily a conspiracy show. We're doing
something like journalism here, but god damn like it just
it just you forget how many public scandals there are
and how many convictions there are like it in public conversation.

(28:14):
It's not polite. It's not polite conversation. So it kind
of turns into like this weird conspiracy, but it isn't
this is like a known thing that powerful people pedal
in this weird disturbed I would say, satanic stuff. Well
that's maybe maybe I shouldn't be surprised by that.

Speaker 9 (28:35):
Well that's what just on that point, you know, something
that I had never heard of, and when I was
listening to that, Martyr made uh series on Epstein is
former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was convicted of pedophilia.
I'm convicted of you know, I don't know if it

(28:56):
was convicted.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
He was probably somebody who didn't want to stay quiet
about and island.

Speaker 9 (29:01):
Yeah, gotcha. This was like and this was recent, like
this was you know, I don't I'm not that up
to date on my American you know, political history to
know exactly when he was speaking at the House, but
it was like, you know, within the last three decades,
and it's like, you know, I didn't hear anything about
you know, this guy. And I don't know if he
was convicted in civil court or if he was if

(29:24):
he settled or you know, so we'll say just allegedly
because I don't want to go thrown around those kind
of charges. But like like I said, I mean, like
he settled a suit you know, at the very least
that was with like child you know, child abuse victims.
And then there's so the Finers cult. I found. It
was these two men were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida in

(29:50):
nineteen eighty seven, and they were just in I think
they were in suits and they were looking after like
a few kids in a park who were clearly being abused.
Like the details on you know, these the lives of
these kids are pretty grim. That looked like they were
like living in a van all together and traveling around

(30:11):
the country. And so the Tallahasseee police started investigating, like
they start questioning these two guys, and the two guys
invoke their right to silence and book their Miranda rights
and give them a business card that is based in
DC and the license plate for the van was based

(30:34):
in Virginia and.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
So nothing untoured goes on in Virginia though, So.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
Yeah, that was yeah, I mean, nothing strange about this situation.
Just two grown men in business suits looking after you know,
like five kids in their underwear or whatever it was.
And so the Tallahassee police contact someone from someone in
a federal like a federal government position. I don't know,

(31:05):
he wasn't part of the FBI, but he was someone
in a position to like investigate you know, these kind
of since it was like had crossed borders, since they
had crossed from you know, Virginia to Florida, they brought in,
you know, someone from a federal agency. And so anyways,
he you know, he contacts the DC Metro Police and

(31:26):
he goes, do you know anything about these two guys?
And the DC police goes, actually, we've had an open
investigation into this organization or like you know, this group
of people for a while, but we haven't been able
to get a warrant to search the property that we
know about. And so the customer I think he worked

(31:48):
for like US Customs. But anyways, the federal agency guy goes, Okay,
well I can get you a warrant and we'll go
we'll go investigate the property. And so when they go
and they search the property, they find, you know, I'm
pretty sure they find like child porn. They find images

(32:11):
of this like goat sacrifice ritually. Yeah, it was being
performed like with the children, and they were I think
that they were like cutting the testicles off of a
goat and sewing it into the womb of another goat,

(32:32):
like it was stuff like that, like cult, and they
had pictures of it, you know, and they were all
like dressed in white, you know, while they were doing this.
And then they found like these kind of communication They
found this communication infrastructure that was like so it was

(32:54):
nineteen it was like the nineteen eighties. So it was
kind of like sending a fax, but it would say
and like written messages on like a private network, so
you could type the message, send it, and then it
would print the message.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
You're so you're so young?

Speaker 9 (33:13):
Well that's what like, it's what do you know.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
Are you describing a Motorola two way pager? What are
you describing right now?

Speaker 9 (33:20):
No, it's like a it's like a typewriter kind of
that you like type a message onto.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
OK. I have no idea what it is.

Speaker 9 (33:28):
Yeah, I forget there was a specific name for it.
But it's similar to the way that facts is work.
But it's all it's not like it's on the internet,
you know, it's on its own you know, private communication infrastructure.
And so anyways, they they found this like messaging machine,
and then they found messages from like Hong Kong, and

(33:50):
they found messages from all over the world, and they
found like evidence that they were trying to arrange for
you know, human trafficking operations, that they were trying to
you know buy and like buy children from Hong Kong
was like one of the you know documents that they found.
And so anyways, they like go through and they investigate this,

(34:13):
which obviously, like when you find that kind of evidence
is like, okay, well you're gonna you know, really go
after these guys. Like you're gonna go after these guys,
and you're gonna go after whatever this is. But then
the federal agent you know, tries to follow up a
couple days later after they search the house to organize
you know, a second search and to you know continue

(34:34):
the investigation, and the DC Metro Police just starts stonewalling him,
and he tries to arrange a meeting, and he arranges
a meeting with the guy that originally you know, like
helped set up the search warrant, and the guy isn't
in his office when he comes and someone else says
they're available to speak. And when they speak, you know,
they said that, you know, we've killed the investigation. We're

(34:56):
no longer going to be looking into it. And what
they find is that the leader of the Finders cult.
I think that his name was Marion Petty and Marion
Petty was his wife. I think it was confirmed to
work for the CIA. You know, she had passport stamps

(35:16):
to Moscow, she had passport stamps to North Korea, she
had passport stamps to all these places during the Cold
War that like you can't you can't get to without connections.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
And yeah, there's somebody, there's somebody a few notches up
running the saint So like that story, as you're telling it,
it's like, yeah, this is a six stories gross, there's perverts,
but at the end of the day, there just are
some perverts out there. Right, it's you know, these guys
need to be persecuted, we should, we should pursue them,
blah blah blah. But this isn't international headlines. Right until.

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Speaker 8 (36:53):
You find out that people connected to government agencies and
intelligence agencies are keeping this thing on the rails. They're
preventing persecution. And to me, that's when it goes from
just being like because here's the thing, like, there are
sick people out there, there are schizophrenic people out there,

(37:14):
there are perverted sociopaths out there. That's all very interesting,
and they all should be prosecuted. That it goes one
hundred is one hundred times more interesting and important when
government agencies are perpetuating the cycle of violence towards children,

(37:34):
because you have to go why.

Speaker 9 (37:36):
Why and that's what you know, Like I said, it's like,
you know what, the bottom line of the story is
that the Finer school ends up being connected to the CIA,
you know, and it's through the s guy who founded it,
and it's through it, like you know, the guy who
founded it is also running businesses and he's contracting the CIA.
And I think like it was known that the CIA,
you know, CIA members were visiting the property and the

(38:00):
and stuff like that, and it's like then the investigation
gets killed and it's like, yeah, exactly what you're saying
of like it hints at this larger, more international crime
syndicate that is deeply embedded and not just the United
States government but all of these other sorts of governments.

Speaker 8 (38:23):
I just I want to put another idea out there
before we get again. I've said before we get started
for the last forty five minutes. But also sometimes I
do question one when a narrative becomes like really well
established but it's presented as like a conspiracy theory or
it's a well established narrative amongst like alternative thinkers. It

(38:49):
gives me pause because, like, right now, if you ask
ten people, I would say, sort of like you and
I listen to a lot of alternative media, blah blah blah,
what was the eppstore thing? I think they would say,
it's a blackmail operation by an intelligence agency. I don't.
That's no longer like something that only the most in

(39:09):
the no guy says, that's I think what most sort
of quote unquote alternative people, people who care about the
FTEM files, that's what they would say. And it just
does make me wonder. It gives me pause, like how
many how many times do we actually see this blackmail
get used by intelligence agencies? And I've heard people straight
face say, well, you know, if Russia is doing it,

(39:34):
if France is doing it, if the Macade is doing it,
maybe the CIA should be doing it too. You know,
we don't all want to be speaking Mandarin in twenty years.
Maybe we maybe we need to be running pedophilic blackmail operations,
which I'm like, what, but but continuing that logic, I

(39:54):
never see it get deployed, you know, And and maybe
I just wouldn't know, But part of me wonders if
it's not a blackmail operation. Part of me wonders if
if they are serving a different master, right, like if
there if there's some shadow there's really tenfoil hat time,
but if there is some group out there that is

(40:16):
keeping these types of operations going for some reason, maybe
under the guise of a blackmail operation. I don't know,
but I do think it's weird that, oh yeah, it's
a it's an intelligence blackmail operation. It's not a very
good intelligence blackmail operation if nine tenths of the general
public know that it's a honey pot, you know what
I mean. So it makes me wonder. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (40:38):
Now, I think that's and like I said, you know,
like you get like, you know, you start to see
like the hints of that kind of thing. And the
way that secret societies work is that they they use
blackmail in the way that they work, like with their members.
Like I think it's like a very popular, you know
idea that like when you join one of the you know,

(41:01):
super secret societies, that you have to you know, you
have to do some really sketchy stuff on film. Yeah,
that they might you know, like that's do.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
You have to kill somebody, you know, maybe you need
a committed murder. That's interesting because that what you just
put for it is. No, it could be both. It
could be a blackmail operation, but not in the way
you think. We're not trying to stop. We're not trying
to stop. We're not trying to make sure a bill
that protects, you know, the nuclear industry in some country

(41:35):
gets pasted. Right. No, no, no, no, no, this is a
blackmail operation because we're inducting people into a club, which
would explain why nobody talks about it.

Speaker 9 (41:44):
You know, yeah, inducting people into a club to get
you on the same you know, to get you on
the same team, you know, like.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
But it could be what I'm saying is it could
be willing It could be it could be the participant
could willingly be engaging in this knowing they're being blackmailed,
which completely changes the dynamic. And it makes sense why
you don't see people want to be in this club
for some reason. Otherwise, otherwise you'd be engendering too much animosity,
you'd be making too many powerful enemies. You can't you

(42:15):
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Speaker 8 (43:22):
They're going to figure out. I mean, you just don't.
That's not a good way. That's not a long term
survival strategy. I don't think. But if they're willingly participating
in this. I think that makes way more sense as
to why we're not getting any information. Yeah, but that's
still conspiracy theories.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
I mean you but like, this is the thing though,
is like you have to start to ask those kinds
of questions because I remember, you know, when I was
getting into conspiracy theories and I was like, you know,
I was like part of the like growing up. I
think it was like conspiracy theories were starting to get cool. Yeah,
conspiracy theories are very you know, mainstream.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Well, the more ones that turn out to be true,
it kind of genderusuff.

Speaker 9 (44:07):
I mean is I was like having this conversation with
my sister at one point where it was like, you know,
she was complaining that her fiance is like this huge
conspiracy theorist and that he like doesn't really live in
the real world. And then it's like the Epstein story breaks, like,
you know, as she's kind of around the time that
she's telling me, I'm like, well, you got to give
them credit on that one. You know, had a file

(44:29):
ring rule in the world. I mean, the pendulum swifts, like,
you know, the pendulum swings a little closer to that
end of the spectrum and so it's like when things
like this, you have to begin to like ask those
kinds of questions, because if you're not asking those kinds
of questions, then you're, you know, you're burying your head
in the sand and you're trying to say that like,

(44:50):
you know, do that thing that you know Trump has
kind of been doing of like it's not real, it's
not a big you know, it's alone. I was talking
about this too. Is just like the idea of all
these lone wolves. It's like, well, sometimes the lone wolf
isn't a lone wolf, like sometimes it's you know, a pack.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Right, and so yeah, or or he's not a wolf
at all, he's a domesticated, trained dog and the guy
holding the leash is somewhere else. All right, Well I
could again, I could ramble. I've got ideas and theories
and so, but I'm I want to try to stop.
I think you have like stuff you're trying to present, right.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
Or no, yeah, that's what we can go ahead and
get I said last time. We so we covered kind
of like Epstein's origin story, the.

Speaker 8 (45:37):
Weird in the Life of Robert Maxwell yep and.

Speaker 9 (45:41):
Then yeah, kind of like that really kind of highlighting
like some of that Iran conscious stuff and really beginning
to kind of like flash out some of those ties
to Israeli intelligence. And so I said we would pick
back up with the Mega Group, which was started. The
Mega Group was started in nineteen ninety one by Les

(46:02):
Wexner and by Charles Bramman.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
And so I know Lex, who's Charles. We'll tell us
who they both fire for.

Speaker 9 (46:10):
Yeah, so Less is more well known next to the
story because he was Epstein's primary financier, and so Wexner
owned it was like the limited brands. It was the
name of kind of the conglomerate that he owned and
included Victoria's.

Speaker 8 (46:30):
Secret limited To Limited.

Speaker 9 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, there was like that kind of you know,
he was in that you know, kind of area of
sales and stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
Imagine sorry, sorry, just going back to your sister's boyfriend.
Imagine someone coming to family dinner and saying, listen, you
see that limited to shirt you're wearing. You know that
Victoria's Secret brow you bought last We listen to this.
That money is being funneled to an intelligence asset who
owns nine thousand acre ranches multiple islands. He has members

(47:06):
of the Saint Thomas Government on his payroll, and he's
actually kidnapping children from all over the world, bringing them
here to have sex with Bill Gates and Stephen Hawking
on camera so that we could they can control the world.
You would put that guy in an insane asylum immediately,
I know.

Speaker 9 (47:25):
That's what I mean is that, like you get into this,
like you get into this world of conspiracies, and the
deeper that you dig, now you have to filter through
a lot of bullshit. You know, there's a ton of garbage,
you know, in the conspiracy community. But when you get
into people actually you know, doing the work, and like

(47:46):
you know, you get into like you know, some of
these serious I mean they're real. It's real. Like it's
not like it's someone is making this up, like you know,
for example, this so we'll get We'll talk more about
Wexner in a bit, but just to address the other
side of the Mega group. It's started by a guy
named Charles Broffman, and the Bronfmans were the the Brofins

(48:10):
are the heir to the Seagrams liquor.

Speaker 8 (48:13):
Oh they were in the Nexium thing. I did not
know these two were connected.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
So this is what gets super weird.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
Why are they all connected? I'm like Charlie from Always
Sonny with the Red Yarn. It's all fucking connected, man, Okay,
tell me more.

Speaker 9 (48:28):
So they go and so the Brofins. So they're tied
into the Seagram's liquor fortune. A lot of it was
made during Prohibition. And so Sam Brofman, who is like
the original patriarch, is connected to Mayer Lansky and connected

(48:49):
to organized crimes. So there's the Jewish you know a
lot of people who studied kind of the mafia and
like that whole era will know, you know that the
Jewish Mob was, you know, a major power player in
American politics, you know, in American cities, along with the
other mobs. You know, there was the Irish Mob, and

(49:11):
there was the Italian Mob. You know, there was you know,
numerous different factions, and then I think the Jewish Mob
and the Italian Mob ended up kind of teaming up,
you know, during World War Two, and they ended up
like forging connections that were long lasting. I forget the
exact It's like there's something called Operation Underworld and Operation

(49:33):
of It. So yeah, Operation Underworld is like this scheme
launched by I think it was like originally the FBI,
and then it got you know, connected into the OSS.
But they were trying to fight World War two kind
of behind enemy lines, so like they would recruit members
of the Italian mafia to try and organize a resistance

(49:54):
to the Italian fascists in Italy during World War two
on behalf of the United States. And obviously the Jewish
mob was very interested in fighting World War two and
fighting the Nazis, and so they were using their connections
you know, all over the world to try and you
know kind of form this resistance from within enemy territory.

(50:19):
And then those connections like they don't just stop after
World War two ends. You know, you've kind of like
you know, made a deal with these mafias and like
you know, they're going to continue, Like the especially like
the CIA gets formed after that. The CIA now has
like connections in Italy that are tied to organized crime

(50:40):
and stuff like that. But that's is, and that's connected,
it really is, And the Whitney Web is the one
who does most of the work on that that I'm
aware of of, really kind of like Operation Underworld and
the organized crime element of it. But the point getting
back to Sam Broumpman is that he is bootlegging liquor

(51:04):
from Canada into the United States, using the Jewish mob
in the United States as like the middlemen, and so
they amass an enormous amount of wealth by doing this.

Speaker 8 (51:19):
They're like the richest or second richest family in Canada.

Speaker 9 (51:22):
Right, Yeah, they're massive. The Brumpins are are huge. And
so they go on and you know his so since
it was they, they his children. Sam Brompfin's children then
begin to try and kind of legitimize the business and
try and kind of like solidify their political connections and

(51:43):
try and give it the you know, the sheen of
being you know, reputable or whatever. And so they do
things like they married into the Rothschilds, which is just
you know, hey.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
That's totally legitimate businessmen, don't the smurge the good rothschild name,
the red shield name.

Speaker 9 (52:03):
Yeah, And so they.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
Trying to run cover for us. Man, come on, yeah,
that's what you know.

Speaker 9 (52:11):
Once you start bringing the Rothschilds, you know, into it,
then you're you're really deep in the interest.

Speaker 12 (52:16):
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Speaker 8 (52:16):
I mean, Lord Jacob Rothchild, he he did some crazy stuff,
created a nation interestingly enough. Yeah, but we'll digress from that,
please please, pretty please? So the Secret Sisters, okay, Charles, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (52:35):
Yeah, So Charles Broffman is the guy who starts the
Mega Group with Leswxner and so to give it a
description of the Mega Group, it is described as a
loosely organized club of twenty of the nation's wealthiest and
most influential Jewish businessman.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
But you got to go down this route, man, They're
just business. Why did you have to say that word?

Speaker 9 (53:00):
F gused on focused on here, you're going like this
one focused on philanthropy and Jewishness, with membership dues upward
of thirty thousand per year, yet several of its most
prominent members have ties to organized crime.

Speaker 8 (53:13):
I just want to say, for the record, I didn't
even know that the Seagram guy and his two twisted
little daughters were Jewish. Maybe they aren't, No, they are
because in our defense, yeah, in our defense, I don't
even realize a lot of these people are Jewish until
after the fact. So it's not like a pre you
know what I mean? You go what I'm saying right Like.

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Speaker 8 (54:36):
Yes, that's had no idea. The secret sisters rejuce.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
If this is like some antisemitic op that's being run
by you know, some like neo Nazi organization or something
like that that's anti Israel, then like they.

Speaker 8 (54:54):
Are crushing it.

Speaker 9 (54:56):
Yeah, an extremely smaster strug glancing some insane seeds. You know,
back in the eighties, and nineties or whatever, because like
when I said the philanthropy and Jewishness, I'm pretty sure
that's like a quote from the actual organization itself. I'm
pretty sure like that was like.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
Well, well listen, I mean, that's a totally reasonable thing
to organize around the issue is that. And I'm not
even sure what the Epstein connection is, but his noughterers
fund a sex cult and they enslave women and rape
them and brand them. Yeah, so it's not it's totally

(55:39):
cool to start, you know, a club that does is
it is? You know, with all of the tacoing around
the internet, though I do, I'm not trying to like,
I'm not trying to connect that dot necessarily, but you
mentioned it. So I'm just trying now, I'm trying to
dig us out of a hole.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
No, that's what i mean. That's just And so this
this someone did a they did kind of like a study,
not really like a study, but they just were looking
at the like mainstream media's depictions. And so this is
from an Electronic into Fada article by Jim DeBras.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
I don't know if we should be quoting the Electronic
into Fada.

Speaker 9 (56:23):
Well, he just says that A July thirteen Nexus search
of US news outlets found that of the three hundred
and eighty three stories unleashed by Trump's Broken Promised to
Feel Everything about Epstein, only a single article broached ties
between Epstein and Israel's intelligence agency, the Masade, and then

(56:45):
tried to undercut it, so saying, only one of three
hundred and eighty three stories published in you know, June
to July of this year, only one of them mentioned
Epstein and Israel's intelligence agency cannnections, and even that single
article tried to undercut it.

Speaker 8 (57:03):
Okay, let me let me try to steal man that argument,
because I'm I'm I want to approach this as fairly
as possible, right, and I don't want to jump to
any conclusions, And certainly I'm not like I listen just
just because the guy's Jewish, doesn't say, you know, white
guys kill people, Black guys kill people, Jewish guys kill people. Right,

(57:26):
But so let me try to kind of steal man
the other side of the argument. So, is the only
connection between the Masad and Epstein? The fact that Jelaane
Maxwell's father was working for the Masad? Is that the connection?
Or are there more connections.

Speaker 9 (57:44):
No, That's what I mean is with what I'm trying
to bring in with this mega group, is that less
Wexnery is of the Jewish.

Speaker 8 (57:52):
Yes, God damn it, I'm trying, man, But about the
other guy? What's the other guy?

Speaker 9 (58:00):
Jewish? The organization that they founded is dedicated to philanthropy
and Jewish.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
There's not a Protestant philanthropy group involved in Seenhila. Come on, man,
I'm trying here, Italian.

Speaker 9 (58:15):
Well, where you're going to find that is you're going
to find that with the British. And the British are
the even less talked about intelligence organization that could definitely
involved with this good.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
I'm glad there's some wasps up to no good.

Speaker 9 (58:31):
Yes, So that's what you know we need to and
that's what you know, a lot of those connections haven't
been fleshed out, you know. Like I said, Whitney Webb
is one of the bigger writers on the subject. She goes,
she's gone on Tim Dillon quite a few times, she's
done like some major interviews.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
She's yeah, we get it, we get it. She doesn't
need our help. Man, stop quoting.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
No, just but I'm just but like you know, she's
one of the more prominent people in the sphere, and
she's super into the Masad connection. So that's like what
she focuses on, whereas some of the other people are
looking at these other connections. You know, they accept the
Masad links, but they're also looking into like Stephen Snyder,
who are really his stuff is so good, should definitely

(59:18):
check out his podcast The Farm, but he looks into
the British element of it, and it's not. So Yeah,
I don't want to like make it seem like it's
all Massad. It's not all Masad. But I mean, like
I said, there's just tons Like you know, there is
tons of connections too Massade. There's just no denying it.

(59:42):
And so you have in what you mentioned with Bromfman's
so Bromman's daughter, one of his daughters, I'm forgetting her
name right now, but she served time for the Nenexium
cult takedown. And you mentioned earlier that the Nexiam Colt
was involved in. They were involved in sex trafficking, they

(01:00:03):
were involved in blackmail, like, they were involved in kind
of some of these schemes. So that's one part of
the mega group, that's the Brafmans who have these ties
to organized crime and they have ties to you know.
So Brofman also started like Birthright Israel just to give
you an idea of how like influential he is too,

(01:00:24):
kind of like activism Israeli activism philanthropy, like that would
be starting birthright. I mean, you know, if you're Jewish
and growing up in America, like you have the opportunity
to travel to Israel completely free for you know, two
weeks or something like that. And he organized that with

(01:00:48):
NAT and Yahoo. So it's like that's you know, it's
not like it's just some random Jewish businessman. These people
have connections, you know, they're to like to the state
of Israel.

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
Could you could you try to have like an incredibly
charitable because because I see it man I go on Instagram.
There's definitely like.

Speaker 15 (01:01:13):
A a a there's been a pr swing for the
state of Israel, I would say, in the last few years, right,
And so I'm just I'm trying to like rationalize, why.

Speaker 8 (01:01:27):
Help boid these are walking through.

Speaker 9 (01:01:29):
A mind swing to the bad.

Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
Yeah, I would say the general popular opinion of the
modern state of Israel has has changed. I mean there's
always been a constituent of people who's not liked Israel, right,
But now I would say a pretty large portion of
at least the American population is soured a bit.

Speaker 9 (01:01:51):
I think it's it's not only the United States, it's
also the I think it's right now regarded as one
of the least populations world.

Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
Yes, but but it's especially significant for the US because
traditionally this has been where Israel had that I would say,
the largest favorability, right, especially amongst like the evangelical Christian
Christians in America. And I do think that part of
that is, like, you know, kind of what we just did,
or you start looking like, okay, well, who funded the

(01:02:21):
all the kidnapping of the children? Oh this guy? Oh okay,
he's Jewish? Whatever, Right, that's fine, But this happens like
over and over again more. Oh dude, this is I'm
walking through a minefield. But it it's people notice it.
And maybe it's wrong to notice that, right, but people,

(01:02:42):
not me, People do notice that. And so if you're
trying to like defend I would say, the over representation
of certain racial ethnic groups in two certain things, might
you say, could you argue that, hey, this group of
people they went through something so horrific that you don't

(01:03:03):
just you don't just stop thinking about that. You are
always you just want to make sure you never have
to go through that again, right, And then that kind
of trauma is passed down generation a generation, and so
you seek power, influence, security, wealth so that you might
protect your people, your tribe, and being put in a

(01:03:26):
position to be persecuted like that again in the maybe
intended or unattended consequence of that is, I don't know,
you just get involved in a lot of weird governmental
quasi intelligence type stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, like I'm not I mean, it's complicated, yea,
you know, as anything, you know, and I have conflicting feelings,
but there is no doubt that the Jewish population has
been historically probably the most repressed population in Europe. Yes,

(01:04:06):
and in the Middle East, you know, going all the
way back to like seventy a d. When the Romans
burned Jerusalem and the exile happened, and the Jews had
the dispersion you know, happened, and they had to settle
in all of these hostile territories. You know, you can
go and look at the history of pogrims in Eastern

(01:04:29):
Europe and in Ukraine and then Russia pre World War two.
You know, I'm talking about like nineteenth century. I read
this crazy anti Semitic you know, this was like one
of my history class lessons, and it was reading this like,
you know, seventeen forties kind of like I don't know,

(01:04:53):
it was like the French thought that it was like
super funny and it talks about, you know, just like
repression of this Jew that was living, you know, in
the town or something like that, and I forget exactly
the details, but it was just this like blatant, horrific
anti Semitism embedded in this like French story that was

(01:05:15):
like you could just tell that that was the accepted perspective.
And so yeah, I mean like kind of what you're
saying of Like.

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Speaker 9 (01:06:29):
So you create like the State of Israel to try
and protect against that, and everyone around them is your enemy.
It's like, yeah, you have to crack a few eggs
to make an omelet, and like the intelligence game is
like a dirty, dirty game, And so I'm not trying
to like necessarily like smear the State of Israel in

(01:06:51):
the sense of like it shouldn't exist and like whatever,
like you know, all these antisemitic tropes that you hear
but like instigating this specific story, this is you know,
just the this is just what you find.

Speaker 8 (01:07:07):
And and it is kind of a recurring theme. I
mean Sigmund Freud, you know, he covered up for a
lot of pedophiles. Yeah, well then and then it is
just interesting that he's related to Burnet's and that Matthew
Freud is currently running pr to cover up for pedophilia

(01:07:29):
in England. I don't know, you do start to do
the red yarn thing. So I'm going to force myself
not to do that and just listen to the rest
of the what are they called the Mega Club, the.

Speaker 9 (01:07:40):
Mega Mega Group. Yeah, so that's what you know, and
like yeah, I mean, like I said, it gets it
gets super complicated with all of that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
And before we go, that was the worst disclaimer anyone's
ever done.

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
No, I'm not gonna go off. I was thinking about
going off on the tangent and then I'm not going
to go off. So yeah, that's who the Brompins are.
The daughter's caught up in the Next Team Cult to
be So I have heard that Charles Brompman did not
want his daughter to be a part of the Next
Team Cult.

Speaker 8 (01:08:16):
Oh, he didn't want her enslaving and raping people.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
That's what that's not that's what I've that's the speculation.
Speculation that I've heard is that Charles Brompfin was opposed
to his daughter running a sex trafficking helping to run
a sex trafficking operation.

Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
And you know this is this is kind of a
blaming the victim thing, so I don't encourage it, but
there is kind of some speculation of like a lot
of this was pretty willing, but again, I think it
starts willing and then the blackmail kind of keeps people
in and it turns non consensual pretty quick.

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
Yeah, It's it's kind of like a that's just what
colts do. It's like they have this like I don't know,
this one seemed to have kind of almost like a self.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
Help very much to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
Yeah, it's like yeah, so it's like, oh, like you know,
this organization is about helping you find like your purpose
and helping you become a better person, and blah blah
blahlah blah, and then all of a sudden, like two
years later, you're in the middle of a full blown
sex trafficking cult.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
It was kind of like it was kind of like
scientology for like yuppies, you know, not necessarily movie stars,
but like, hey, you want to win friends and influence people.
For four thousand dollars, you take course one, and then
for four thousand you take course two, and hey, now
you get to meet Keith because you've spent so much money.
And okay, we're just gonna brand you really quick. Lay

(01:09:39):
here and add her name to your mortgage or to
your deed of your house, and we need you to
leave your husband actually, and so yeah, it escalates quickly.
Okay Mega Group.

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
Yeah, okay, so that's the prominence Wexner. We talked to
the limited brands or whatever. So he is somehow Epstein
gets connected in with Wexner, you know Maxwell. So Maxwell
dies in nineteen ninety one, but the Mega Group is

(01:10:13):
founded just before his death, and he is associated with
this network. You know, we talked about his ties in
the last episode, but just you know, kind of putting
that piece into it as well. He's you know, kind
of in this swirling around this group of people, and
so I don't exactly know, you know, when Epstein becomes

(01:10:37):
attached at the hip to Wexner, but at some point
in the nineties, Les Wexner signs over his power of
attorney to Jeffrey Epstein, which is unbelievable to me. This
man has billions of dollars and he gives Jeffrey Epstein

(01:10:57):
the ability to move his money freely wherever he wants.
He gives him the ability to sign his taxes, to
make his will to the power of attorney is an
enormous privilege, even more so when you have billions of dollars,
so you effectively are giving up control of your money

(01:11:20):
to Jeffrey Epstein, who nobody knows about. He was a
you know, a semi important person at bear Stearns for
five years and then kind of disappears off the map
and gets mixed up in Iran contra and then all
of a sudden reappears as the power of attorney for
less Wexner.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
You give him his house too, write did you already
say that the most expensive.

Speaker 9 (01:11:43):
House he gives him. He gives him the second largest
property in Ohio, which is right next to Wexner's house.

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Speaker 9 (01:13:14):
Gives him the what is I think it was at
the time, I'm not sure if it still is. I'm
and it was the largest residence in Manhattan that Wexner
bought and then just gave to him. I'm pretty sure
this is.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
The house with the weird photos of the president's right,
the paintings of the presidents.

Speaker 9 (01:13:34):
I think so. Yeah, it's the one that has like
a under the stairwell. It has a bathroom that has
like closed circuit TVs and like monitors of like you know,
just a classic like anyone who comes into the house
is being filmed set up, and it had yeah, like

(01:13:56):
has weird art all over the place. And then the
the other one might so you may be talking about
the one in New Mexico, because the one in New
Mexico was weird too, But.

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
Yeah, specifically like Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski's dress pointing
smoking a cigar and then George Bush knocking over jan
get Towers with paper airplanes.

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
Interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
Yeah, that I'm oddly specifically certain.

Speaker 9 (01:14:21):
About that, But that's would be. That would be super
un brand for the Manhattan House. I think it was
a it was even creepiers. I think it was a
former school. Oh god, my gutted. And someone let me
know if that's not true.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
I've I've seen that many many times. That for sure.
The Bill Clinton dress is true, that was in one
of the houses. But the George Bush one knocking over
the planes with the payper airplane. It's weird that you
would memorialize things that could be perceived as presidential blackmail,

(01:15:02):
because I think you could perceive the Monica Lewinsky thing
is blackmail. You know, fortunately she's not Jewish. I think
you could perceive. I think you could perceive the September
eleventh thing is presidential blackmail if Bush was involved, right,
I don't know. It's just a weird. It's a weird

(01:15:25):
thing for him to get paintings commissioned of is my
only point.

Speaker 9 (01:15:29):
Do you want some bad news?

Speaker 8 (01:15:32):
What's some bad news?

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:15:36):
She is okay.

Speaker 9 (01:15:39):
And may and it's known at the time that the
massade had bugged though.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
You're kidding.

Speaker 9 (01:15:47):
So this was during built one of Bill Clinton's.

Speaker 8 (01:15:50):
Well, Luckily no one has ever accused massad involvement in
nine to eleven. Otherwise that would just be next level.

Speaker 9 (01:15:56):
Yeah, we're not going to get into that. Let's not
but MANI because well, I don't even know anything that
I've never even heard, like really speculation.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
I'm sure it exists, but oh dude, you've come to
the right place. I'll expect just just google. I'm not
going to say it. Maybe just if you get bored.
It's probably not real for people. I'm telling our listeners
this so that they can confirm that this is not
correct and that it's slander. Okay, And so if you
want to investigate this piece of slander, just google dancing

(01:16:28):
Israeli's all right, let's move on.

Speaker 9 (01:16:32):
Okay, then the so one of just on that point,
Bill Clinton. One of Bill Clinton's major platform policies was
a peace between Israel and Palestine. And during this peace process,
there was a mole in his administration. And it may

(01:16:54):
not have been a single mole, it may have been
an organization. And do you want to know what the
code name for that mole in the Clinton administration was?

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
Don't tell me. It's like, hold on, let me think
clandestine Minora.

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
Very close.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
What is it?

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
What is it?

Speaker 9 (01:17:18):
Megaga. There's been some speculation that the Mega Group was
kind of trolling the Clinton administration with that name because
this was reported in like mainstream media, and this undermined
the peace process because while Clinton was trying to play

(01:17:38):
both sides and try to appear you know, friendly to
like Palestine, meanwhile he had a mole in the White
House that was bugging all in the conversations and was
trying to undercut the peace process the entire time. And
so obviously the Lewinsky thing happens during you know, while
he's in office, and it was known that the you
know that the massade had you know, really.

Speaker 8 (01:18:00):
Again again to try to defend that, like, I know,
I've been joking around it. I think it could be
perceived as maybe I'm taking it a little bit too far,
But I think you could defend that as like, you
just have a group of people who are really trying
to protect their country. And if that means that means
eves dropping on Bill Clinton while he gets blowjobs, then
by all means we're gonna eavesdrop, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:18:21):
I mean, if you're going to be getting blowjobs from
your secretary in the Oval office, then you probably deserve.

Speaker 8 (01:18:28):
Now, now, to be fair, if they're personally providing the
blowjob delivery mechanism in the form of Monchael Lewinsky, I
feel like that maybe's taken a little bit too far.

Speaker 9 (01:18:37):
But that's what Alex Jones. Then this is Alex Jones.
So let's take dude.

Speaker 8 (01:18:45):
He's he's getting more credible by the decade, I have
to say.

Speaker 9 (01:18:49):
But he you know, I'm pretty sure he mentioned in
that ten Dylan episode that like sh yeah, that like
they were in on that, you know, kind of in
on that scheme, the model Monica Lewinsky thing. But I
have no idea about the details of that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:03):
Who knows was Wexner? Does he have any intelligence connections CIA?
Hopefully I.

Speaker 9 (01:19:11):
Don't. So yeah, I haven't done like that deep of
a dive into Wexner. I'm sure, like I said that,
he's kind of there's so much history to the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
eighties that precedes, you know, kind of what happens in

(01:19:31):
the nineties and what it is is it's like those
ties to organized crime, and it's you know, the ties
of organized crime into the intelligence agencies and how they
become it's kind of like interconnected web, and so I'm
sure if you go looking you can find some more
of those connections. But yeah, what so he signs over

(01:19:54):
the power of attorney and this is where Epstein's main
money comes from. And then like in the nineties, in
the early two thousands.

Speaker 8 (01:20:02):
You know what. That's sorry, that is just an interesting
point because the miss the mystery of where Epstein got
his money from. A lot of people have pointed to
intelligence connections, specifically the masade because of that. But I
think what you're actually saying is, no, we we have
a pretty good idea where he got his money, and
it is from this one individual, Lex Wexner. Just to

(01:20:24):
curiate that conspiracy.

Speaker 9 (01:20:26):
Yeah, he had access to billions of dollars and you
know where, and you know, he may have had other
funding sources that were connected to intelligence, you know, but
we nine billion. I forget exactly what Wexner's net worth
was at the time he signed over a power of attorney,

(01:20:46):
but we'll just say five billion. Five billion dollars in
nineteen ninety six is a lot of money, you know.
I think probably it's worth probably ten billion today something
like that. So it's just like, you know, you when
you have access to that kind of bunny, then yeah, absolutely,
you know, you can do a lot of things without

(01:21:07):
really needing needing a ton of funding from other places.
But you know, he certainly could have been getting funding
from other places. But we do know for sure that
you know, he had pretty much free access to Wexner's
fortune and so in the nineties. So he's like off

(01:21:29):
the radar in the nineties, like he has this power
of attorney from Wexner and he's like buying these massive properties,
but no one is talking about Jeffrey Epstein. And so
what when that changes is when he takes Bill Clinton

(01:21:49):
and Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 8 (01:21:52):
Stand up couple, stand up gentlemen.

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
Yeah, and then another there's another there's another person involved
in that, but I don't want to say the wrong name.
He takes them on his plane. This is after Clinton's
presidency to Africa to investigate AIDS and talk about economic development.

(01:22:19):
Is what the kind of official narrative is. And this
is going to get tied into you know, really like
the Clintons quote unquote philanthropy work in the Clinton Foundation
and kind of that whole thing. But that's when people
start to like pick up on the like, who is

(01:22:44):
this guy? Kind of narrative. Okay, so let me see. Yeah,
tell me what you think about Bill Clinton and Kevin
Basie and Jeffrey Epstein on a seven twenty seven headed
to Africa to invest. You gave eights.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
I wish I could do a Clinton impression. There's so
many funny jokes we could do right here. I can't
do it, though, I do have to correct I misspoken
last episode. I think I'm not one hundred percent positive.
I think I might have said that Epstein was on
the founding documents of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. No,
he was on the founding documents of the Clinton Foundation.

(01:23:24):
So important correction.

Speaker 9 (01:23:27):
Yeah, we will get into but you were not far off,
because we'll get into when we talk about some of
the weird science stuff that Epstein is tied into. Then
we'll talk about Bill Gates and we'll talk about Epstein's
connections to.

Speaker 8 (01:23:41):
The This is a huge problem because I'm actually gonna
have to give you a fifteen minute warning here pretty soon,
and I don't feel like we've started yet.

Speaker 9 (01:23:51):
Well, that's what we'll Okay, we'll get we'll get through
some of the stuff and then we'll next episode will
tie kind of a bow on some of the like
stuff that happened in twenty nineteen, and then we can
get into the science stuff in the next episode.

Speaker 8 (01:24:05):
Yeah, I mean, there's no reason why we can't do many,
many more episodes. But to answer your question, yeah, I mean,
knowing what we know now about Bill Epstein and Kevin Spacey.

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Speaker 8 (01:25:18):
It's kind of a hilarious situation right now. At the time,
it would have been totally reasonable for a financial genius,
a president, and a famous actor to go do like
charity work in Africa. That'd be great. But knowing that
one was an international sex trafficker, one was a customer

(01:25:42):
of said sex trafficking, and the other I think was
settled a rape charge or was accused. I don't know
it was convicted, ye, I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:25:53):
He definitely got he definitely got canceled. I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
He definitely likes the boys, let's just say that, preferring
to Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
So yeah, so he does.

Speaker 8 (01:26:05):
This again, nothing wrong with liking the boys, but in
this case I think it was non consensual, so that
is not good.

Speaker 9 (01:26:13):
I'd also heard that, Yeah, no, Kevin Spacey was canceled
for good reason.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
I'm really just trying to give all my disclaimers. I'm
a good person. I don't hate anyone unless you are
a pedophile. And then I think that's the last group
on Earth you can still disparage and hate. So I'm
gonna direct it all towards them.

Speaker 9 (01:26:32):
Correct. And so two thousand and two is when, so
that I think that happened in two thousand and two,
maybe two thousand and one, when he takes that flight,
so people start looking into him and this I read
this New York Magazine article on Epstein and it has
it has aged so poorly it's not even funny. So

(01:26:57):
they go and let's see. Yeah, so they The title
of the New York Magazine article is Jeffrey Epstein, International
Moneyman of Mystery, and it opens with he comes with
cash to burn, a fleet of airplanes, and a keen
eye for the ladies, to say nothing of atless brain

(01:27:20):
that challenges Nobel Prize winning scientists across the country and
for financial markets around the world. Ever since. The Post,
page six ran an item about the president's late September
visit to Africa with Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker on
his new benefactor's.

Speaker 8 (01:27:36):
Customer Chris Tucker.

Speaker 9 (01:27:38):
Yeah, Chris Stucker. That's the other name that I was
trying to find. The question of the day has been
who in the world is Jeffrey Epstein. So the article
references his island, references is Manhattan residents, how nobody knows
where he really got his money, and mentions that he's
a member of the Trilateral Commission in the Council on

(01:28:00):
Foreign Relations, which is interesting in addition to the plane
rider with Bill Clinton to investigate AIDS in Africa. The
article quotes Donald Trump. I've known jeff for fifteen years.
Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with.
It is even said that he likes beautiful women as
much as I do, and many of them are on
the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his

(01:28:23):
social life. So that was a quote from Donald Trump
in two thousand and two.

Speaker 8 (01:28:27):
I've heard that before. Yeah, and that's what Now, if
I got the worst job on Earth, which was to
be Trump's like retrospective pr person, i'd He's like, well,
you know, younger side nineteen in a half. But I
don't think that's what he meant.

Speaker 9 (01:28:48):
Yeah, And then it also quotes Bill Clinton. So Clinton said,
Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist,
with a keen sense of global markets and an the
knowledge of twenty first century science. I especially appreciated his
insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to
work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating

(01:29:12):
HIV as. So, I mean, there you have it. You
have two former presidents with glowing reviews of Jeffrey Epstein,
and that's all you need to know, and you need
to shut the fuck up about everything else.

Speaker 8 (01:29:24):
Trevor, come on, I do. I do totally see. I can,
Like no stradamis predict the tie into Bill Gates, though
I assume it has something to do with, you know,
this type of thing like healthcare delivery in Africa sort
of a thing.

Speaker 9 (01:29:39):
So it actually has more to do with Microsoft, and
it has more to do with the he's very involved in,
like technology, he's very interested in like the rise of
the Internet and the rise of.

Speaker 8 (01:29:53):
So Epstein was actually interested in healthcare in Africa before
Bill Gates was.

Speaker 9 (01:30:01):
That's what it looks like. I mean, the Bill and
Millennay Gates Foundation. I think it's set up sometimes in
the two thousands.

Speaker 8 (01:30:06):
But I wonder if he had any part in steering
their philanthropic aims towards because I mean, Bill Gates is
very involved in Africa. That's why I asked. But okay,
all right, well that's interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:30:23):
So the the article also goes on to so Paint's
just this glowing picture in general, comparing him to kind
of like a like a dead poet's society, like Rob
and Williams, you know, teacher while he was at the
Dalton School, which is not what was happening.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
Yeah, didn't he get ran out of there for inappropriate
relations with the student?

Speaker 9 (01:30:44):
Well, that was happening. It wasn't the official reason for
his performance, was the official reason. But yeah, I mean
he it was rumored that he was having inappropriate there
was really it was like he was showing up to
parties like trying to have a good time. And then
so the article mentions hisntion in New Mexico and how

(01:31:04):
it's the largest residence in the state, and how he
would meet with Nobel Prize winning particle physicists. So Murray
gell Murray Gell Mann is named specifically who ran the
I believe, the Santa Fe Institute, the director of neuroscience
at the is it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
Lea Jala la Joya, La Joya, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:31:28):
La Joya Institute, and the winner of the nineteen seventy
two Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine. Gerard Gerald Edelman
is that guy's name. He had this to say about Epstein.
Jeff is extraordinary in his ability to pick up on
quantitative relations. He came to see us recently. He's concerned
with this basic question, is it true that the brain

(01:31:50):
is not a computer? He is very quick.

Speaker 8 (01:31:53):
Oh god, I.

Speaker 9 (01:31:55):
Questions that you're asking twenty three?

Speaker 8 (01:32:00):
Hey, all I means. All it means is I could
be right. Okay, That's all it means. I have questions. Okay, One,
I want to know what you make of this, like
what like again, if we're pursuing a pure intelligence angle,
which I don't think is, I don't think it is.
That's that's becoming the mainstream narrative. And I don't buy

(01:32:21):
it that this guy was just a blackmail or an
intelligence asset. I don't think so. I think he is
a part of a group that we are not a
part of. Okay, And hopefully never will be. Why what
is with the science connection? Is it because you want
these people in your group? It feels more like that

(01:32:43):
because they don't. They don't wield political power the way
congressmen do. Like there's no reason to blackmail a neuroscience
reacher in La Joya, Like you can just show up
at his office hours, buy him a cup of coffee.
He'll tell you anything you want to know, you know
what I mean, Like, unless you're trying to get your
kid into school there, which I don't think is the case.
What is the reason for involving all these individuals?

Speaker 9 (01:33:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:33:08):
Can you speculate?

Speaker 9 (01:33:11):
So I know that there's a narrative that's emerging that
is Epstein was involved in an effort to steer science
in a certain direction to serve personal or organizational goals
of whoever he's working with and working for. So he

(01:33:34):
is trying to get he's so he's very interested in
things like genetics, and he's very interested in basically a
track of science that will lead to kind of more
of a transhumanist a transhumanist humanity.

Speaker 8 (01:33:52):
So it could just be a personal interest you're.

Speaker 9 (01:33:55):
Saying, I mean, I don't I think it goes beyond that.
I think that there would be like he would be
working you know, kind of with people who have similar
goals in mind. And so like I said, I mean
I have kind of more of a thing on the
science thing prepared that like it gets into. So he
was part of this thing called the Edge Foundation, and

(01:34:20):
the Edge Foundation was started by this guy named John Brockman.
And John Brockman is not a scientist, but he is
a publisher of basically popular science books, and he's the
most successful publisher of popular science books in the last
you know, thirty years. And so he started this thing
called the Edge Foundation, and they would host what we're

(01:34:42):
called Billionaires Dinners, and it would bring the most influential
leaders in science into a room and they would have
actual trainings from like they would prepare trainings for these
people and so like, let me see if I can

(01:35:03):
find this.

Speaker 8 (01:35:04):
Well you're doing that. The other thing is like we
kind of mocked the idea of him teaching high school
and him being like a savant. He might he probably
actually was pretty smart.

Speaker 9 (01:35:18):
Yeah, there's no doubt about There's no like, there's no
doubt in my mind that he was you know, not
in some way sort of you know, brilliant in some way.

Speaker 8 (01:35:28):
Because there's some unique way.

Speaker 9 (01:35:30):
Yeah, yeah, like I'm not you know, it doesn't mean
that you should hire him to you know, right into
some of these positions. Like some of it is like
good you know, connections and stuff like that, but there's
like he was talented at laundering money. He was able
to every scientist that spoke of him was speaking of

(01:35:52):
him in a way that was like he can keep up. Yeah,
you know, he's not just like some guy who's like
trying to start with like what is kwantam McCain, you know,
not the stupid question, but like, you know, he has
knowledge of science and what's.

Speaker 8 (01:36:08):
Going on, and he seems like a quick learner, which
which intelligent people enjoy meeting quick learners because it's at
there's this effortless information transfer that can occur. So I
could understand some of these guys get invited to rich
guy's ranch thinking they might get funding and finding that

(01:36:29):
he's actually pretty clever and they can converse with him,
and I can see them being charmed.

Speaker 9 (01:36:35):
Yes, that was definitely happening. And like one of the
places that this was happening was like these billionaires inners.
So the precursor to the Edge Foundation was Bruckman's Reality Club,
and early members included Isaac Asimov, Richard Why, Steven Pinker,
and Daniel Dennett.

Speaker 8 (01:36:51):
So, I like, some of these guys start over.

Speaker 9 (01:36:54):
So this is before, this is before Epstein starts like
really getting involved with it. But this is just a
history of like what the Edge Foundation is. And so
the Edge Foundation is this like Brockman started group, and
Brockman is the scientific publisher, and he's bringing all these
people together and they're having conversations and they're you know,

(01:37:17):
the Edge Foundation ends up providing training to you know,
some of these people.

Speaker 8 (01:37:22):
So your names again, as for our people who don't
know asthmov is an amazing science.

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
Fiction writer, Richard Dawkins.

Speaker 8 (01:37:29):
Well here we go. We've got an atheist. He's not
even he's not even culturally Jewish. So that makes me happy.

Speaker 9 (01:37:36):
Okay, Stephen Pinker, Oh all right.

Speaker 8 (01:37:39):
Well one out of three? Who else?

Speaker 9 (01:37:41):
We got Daniel Dennett.

Speaker 8 (01:37:44):
I don't know who that is. Who's Daniel?

Speaker 9 (01:37:47):
But so okay, So but those were, like I said,
kind of like before Epstein gets involved in.

Speaker 8 (01:37:51):
I think cognitive science.

Speaker 9 (01:37:55):
Sorry, okay, and they.

Speaker 8 (01:37:59):
He's one of the Sorry, he's one of the four
horsemens of New atheism, Richard doc and Sam Harris, Christopher
Hitchens and Daniel Dennett. That's right. He had a debate
with Lennox that actually was really good. So interesting that
has two of the four horsemen of atheism there. But anyway,
I'm sorry, continue.

Speaker 9 (01:38:18):
No, and so, like I said, that's kind of pre
pre Epstein's involvement. But then when Epstein really gets so
that was like the eighties. Epstein begins to get involved
kind of in the nineties, is really heavily involved in
I think the late nineties. But among the people who
regular regularly attended these billionaire dinners hosted by the Edge
Foundation was Jeff Bezos. So he was based in New

(01:38:42):
York during the nineties. He was wandering in some of
the same circles as Epstein, and he was quite involved
with the Edge Foundation. He may have been the first
of the kind of like massive tycoons today. But as
we will see, like more of the technocratic elite become

(01:39:03):
involved with Edge. So Bill Gates attends the dinners, attends
some of them, Silvergay Brinn of Google, Nathan Mirvold of
intellectual adventures. And he was also like the right hand
man to Microsoft back when Microsoft was really good and going.
Larry Page and Eric Schmidt of Google and was Sky

(01:39:29):
was of twenty three Me and Elon Musk also attended
Edge Foundation events.

Speaker 8 (01:39:35):
The twenty three and Me connections interesting and Elon they
got him.

Speaker 9 (01:39:40):
Yeah, so that's where they have, like I think, like
a picture where he's in the same room as Epstein
at one of these dinners. At least that's what Johnny
Bedmore says.

Speaker 8 (01:39:52):
So sound it sounds like this guy traveled in some
powerful circles man, And I don't know. More and more
I'm leaning towards maybe we're kind of making a boogeyman
out of Masade. I don't know. I could be wrong,
but it does. It does seem like this. It seems

(01:40:14):
like this guy was in circles and lived in a
world that we just don't understand and might actually be
quite a bit more, quite a bit maybe darker, maybe spiritual.

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Speaker 8 (01:41:31):
And if that's what you want to call it, you know,
just the idea that the mind's on a computer and
transhumanism and genetics and it has a flavor of.

Speaker 18 (01:41:45):
This.

Speaker 8 (01:41:45):
Does this at any point tie into the effective ultruism, cults,
the AI stuff? But yeah, he or does he kind
of fizzle out before that starts up?

Speaker 9 (01:41:58):
No? I think he is. I think he's in the
group that's like laying the foundation for that sort of thing,
and so it's like that conversation you have to get
more into, like Peter Thiel r Teal Uh yeah, Peter
Teel And there's no overt teal Epstein connection that I

(01:42:25):
know about, but they're like funding the same kind of philosophies,
which is kind of like this transhumanist like Ai what
evolves into like the Ai Coult kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (01:42:37):
Did you see his weird interview but the anti Christ?

Speaker 9 (01:42:40):
Yeah, dude, I saw hilarious bit that this like.

Speaker 8 (01:42:44):
Uh it was it his pr guy in the control room.
I wish I could queue that up on Instagram real fast.
I don't know how to search for it, but oh
my gosh, it was hilarious.

Speaker 9 (01:42:58):
It's like, it's been a great interview so far, Peter.
We're just going to take it in for a smooth landing.
Couple of softball questions.

Speaker 8 (01:43:04):
Let's land this plane, okay, Peter, do you think do
you want humanity to survive?

Speaker 9 (01:43:17):
Answers yes, Say yes, Peter. While you're still pausing, Peter.

Speaker 8 (01:43:22):
Say yes, I didn't. I didn't see it. So what
was the deal was the antichrist comments about.

Speaker 9 (01:43:31):
I didn't watch the whole interview either, but I should
go back and watch it. Yeah, we before we kind
of like go. I don't want to speculate too much
on it because I don't really know, but I do
know that he's He's also been involved with like some
weird religious organizations too.

Speaker 8 (01:43:51):
They all are man. Yeah, there are there are no atheists,
I think. I think Dawkins is probably one of the
few examples of a real atheist.

Speaker 9 (01:44:02):
Yeah. He's pretty hard he's pretty hardline.

Speaker 8 (01:44:05):
Yeah, but for the most part, there are no atheists.
These people believe in something.

Speaker 9 (01:44:12):
Yeah. And so this Brockman at the Brockman, the guy
who started the Edge Foundation, essentially believed in what's called
the third culture and ideology in the same ilk as
third way politics popularized by Clinton Blair. Essentially, the technocrats
want to use the incredibly powerful technologies that are disposal

(01:44:34):
to influence societies and politics that support an aristocratic agenda.
Part of the Edge Foundation's training provided to Musk Bezovos
and others was on how to change thinking and behavior
among the masses psychological manipulation that would produce real world
results in the way people acted. So this is basically

(01:44:57):
they're trying to kind of rethink psych warfare. They're trying
to rethink behavioral manipulation, and they're trying to use technology
to do it. And you have the founding members of
Google there, you have Microsoft people, you have the people
who get involved in the AI movement attending these dinner

(01:45:19):
you have Musk, you have Bezos. Well, listen, in the
early two thousands, you get social media.

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
You know, I was gonna say it's been effective, you.

Speaker 9 (01:45:29):
Know, And that's what so like, this is the type
of and this is what Epstein is funding funded seventy
five percent of the Edge Foundation's activities in the two
thousands before.

Speaker 8 (01:45:43):
That's that's too much money for it to be a
geopolitical intelligence agency type. Now, don't get me wrong. I
know intelligence in q TEL, I know intelligence agencies funds
all kinds of crazy stuff. But I don't see the
Israel connection there.

Speaker 16 (01:46:02):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:46:02):
And that's what I mean is it's like, it's not
just Israel.

Speaker 8 (01:46:05):
This is something it's bigger than that. That is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (01:46:07):
And this is what was interesting about that New York
Magazine article. Of that Jeffrey Epson was a member of
the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign relations, and
he's talking you know, this is talking about third way politics.
This is talking about you know, Tony Blair, you know,
the Prime Minister of Great Britain while Clinton was in office.
This is talking about Bill Clinton. This is talking about

(01:46:27):
the philosophical underpinnings of you know, world leaders at the time.
This goes beyond, you know, just one intelligence organization. This
goes to a global community of people of like you said,
the club that we're.

Speaker 8 (01:46:39):
Not in no very much. So this stuff, this stuff,
there's nothing new under the sun. I mean, this stuff
has happened before. And it's a weird kind of connection
because I mentioned Sigmund Freud earlier and his work, you know,
obviously influenced his relative Bernee.

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Speaker 8 (01:48:00):
What's his first name? I forget, but and and and
there's intelligence connections there, and there are to this day
with descendants of the Freuds being involved in basically propaganda
and Brenese profaganda. And so that was cognitive Yeah, So

(01:48:24):
I mean that's that's cognitive psychology influencing control of populations
all the way back then and now here we have
Epstein supporting these technological movements that influence society and culture.
And you gotta believe AI is just the next iteration,
the next cycle of that movement, because man, it's it's

(01:48:48):
not it's changing culture, but not in the way I
think anyone expected.

Speaker 9 (01:48:52):
Well, that's what I mean is that like so behavior
like psych warfare is essentially the weaponization of like cognitive psychology.
Yes you're saying it, and so it's it is propaganda,
but propaganda, you know, it's evolving with things like Operation
mocking Bird and you know all of these and even

(01:49:13):
stuff like MK Ultra, Like that's what they're doing, is
they're trying to basically kind of like hack the brain
in order to change behavior towards like a pattern that
they want people to go down. And so this is
like what we're seeing is the origins of this modern
kind of you know, technocratic society that we have that

(01:49:36):
you know, you have access to artificial intelligence anytime you
want it in your pocket, and people are developing relationships
with artificial intelligence, they're developing relationships with you know, their
computers and different stuff like that. You know, we're beginning
to see like the mergent of like and the Internet

(01:49:58):
has always been a project of you know, government organizations
and intelligence agencies. I mean DARPA is the is called
darpinnet originally. Yeah, and that's what like, you know, they've
always been had their hands in this kind of thing
and not getting super conspiracy rabbit holes of like Okay,
like I don't know did we talk about like Lucifer's Technologies.

(01:50:22):
That series by Christopher nol was last time that was
talking about how like this the channeling of technolog channeling
of entities results in this like technological advance like that
you get into that kind of like get into that
narrative with those sorts of things.

Speaker 8 (01:50:39):
But like more, more and more, that's more and more.
It feels that way to me, I mean something like that.
I'm not I'm not going to pretend to know, but
you know, I think maybe the Internet kind of caught
these powers that be off guard a little bit. I
think there was something very liberating about the early Internet.
But if you think about okay, one of the things
that was liberating about the early is that it didn't

(01:51:02):
scale well for intelligence agencies, right, you know, there's all
these little groups and there was there was the technologies
weren't really available to track every single thing in the beginning,
and it was kind of fractionated and it was very
complex and overwhelming amounts of data that there wasn't technology
to really silt through. Yet now obviously they caught up

(01:51:27):
quickly in terms of observation, right, they can anything we
do or say if someone wanted to know they could
know it. That solves the data gathering side of intelligence,
But what about the cognitive psychology side that we're talking about. Well,
the fractionated Internet, it has that same effect. It makes
people more difficult to propaganda's because everyone's seeing something different,

(01:51:49):
and it was kind of pulling people away from the
very sterile mainstream TV propaganda mechanism where everyone says the
same right, So it's a problem. What does AI do?
AI is a way to take every little piece of
the Internet and pull it into one seamless interface, and

(01:52:11):
if you can get ninety percent of people to go
there with their questions, you've now brought everyone back to
a single point of interaction with the information available in
the world. So it does kind of seem like a
way to capture the propagandistic neutralizing effects of the Internet
at scale.

Speaker 9 (01:52:31):
That yes, I think it's like the next iteration. I
think kind of in between there. We've seen what happens
with social media, and we've seen the way that they
have been able to write algorithms, the way that they've
been able to design apps that force you, not I'm
not force is a strong word, but they guide you

(01:52:52):
towards that propaganda that they are seeing in different places,
you know, because when you start to interact with one
post and then it shows ten more in that same
you know, kind of vein and all of a sudden,
it's like you're up until three am, you know, consuming
QAnon theories whatever it is.

Speaker 8 (01:53:12):
I think I think some documents were just released about
q and on that it was one in Operation integ
and uh like but like not just like like actual evidence,
like this is what it was called. Here's the file name,
you know. But one last thing, I was watching a podcast,
one of the biggest podcasts on Earth, and they were

(01:53:35):
interacting with chat GPT in a way that sickened me
because it wasn't like some weird guy who's lonely talking
to chat GPT, right, it was a panel of dudes
talking about Epstein, of all things. And like someone will say, well,
didn't alex Acosta do this with this, and one of
the the other hosts would be like, hey, hey, type

(01:53:55):
in chat GBT, how is alex Acosta related to Epstein?

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:53:59):
So they type it in and and they're just reading
it as if this is just perfect information, you know
what I mean, And it's gotten to the point where
it is like this, you now have you have Burne
sitting in the room with you, available to answer any
question you have, you know, and maybe it's correct information

(01:54:20):
if it's not a topic of interest, but if it's
a topic that the power would be would like to
sway public opinion on, well, Brenees is there to flip
the page X, y Z and tell you the answer
you know it is. It's unsettling to me. To me,
it's like the death of the Internet. People are people
are talking about like, Oh, it's going to get conscious
and it's going to kill us. It's like, no, it's

(01:54:41):
just another tool of manipulation, like maybe all technology.

Speaker 9 (01:54:45):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely agree with that. And I think, yeah,
I think that like what you're seeing with it, and
you're also seeing it paired with like the scrubbing of
the Internet, and I a difference in like my searches
on Google. You can't do research on Google like you

(01:55:06):
can't anymore like it used to be. I used to,
like even like twenty sixteen, like I used to be
able to look something up and find you know, kind
of a more obscure website, but something you know, similar
to kind of like what we're trying to do of
like trying to do deep dives, trying to do investigation,
and it's like you can't find those all you come

(01:55:28):
Like if you search like what was Jeffrey Epstein's connection
to Robert Maxwell, it comes up with forty five articles
that are from the mainstream media that we're all published
in the last two weeks that are saying the exact
same thing.

Speaker 8 (01:55:44):
And an AI synopsis of it, yes.

Speaker 9 (01:55:47):
In the beginning where it's you know, just complete.

Speaker 8 (01:55:51):
Now, if you do that same search in two thousand
and three, you'd see Bob and Doug's blog about the
Epstein files, right, and they'd be doing what we're doing,
like yeah, or real journalists like out in the field
collecting things, publishing documents online. But that's it's just all
being sanitized. I now more than ever believe that's what
AI is, unfortunately, and why would it be anything else,

(01:56:13):
Like what this whole idea of like this transhumanist utopia,
star trek future that good people are coming up with
good technology to help us, Like I get it's nice.
I hope maybe there's some truth to that, but that's
just his If history is any guide that's not how
technology is deployed over time.

Speaker 9 (01:56:34):
Well, I think that was kind of like Christopher Nole's point,
like have has technology fundamentally made society like better? And
it's like, you know, getting into kind of like, you know,
it's a big question to like kind of there's a
lot of different approaches you can take too.

Speaker 8 (01:56:56):
Right, how do you measure better?

Speaker 17 (01:56:57):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:56:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:56:58):
Yeah, it was just like it's like has it made
it more comfortable? Yes, you know, has it made you know,
has it made certain things easier? Yes? Has it made
some things better?

Speaker 8 (01:57:07):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:57:08):
But on the whole looking at it from like, you know,
this holistic perspective, what has especially stuff like you know,
I think it's like, you know, because referencing specifically kind
of like the Internet, but also getting back into like
you know, nuclear you know, like the nuclear bomb, right,
stuff like that. It's like, you know, has the last

(01:57:30):
eighty five years, you know, the last eighty years since
the end of World War two? Like as a society,
have we you know, is it as good as we
make it out to be? You know, because we like
to go like look at all these things that we've done,
and like, look at all these things that we've created
and how much smarter we are than everyone that came
before us, and you know how much you know, awesome,

(01:57:53):
like more awesome our world is. And it's just like, okay,
but is that the case, like or are we just
believing in these pipe dreams that are being sold to
us that.

Speaker 8 (01:58:03):
Technology yes, one hundred percent. I mean, okay, let me
ramble for a second. I'm so sorry, but you have
like triggered one of my biggest pet peas, which is
this idolization of technology now depends on the metric comfort. Okay, yeah,
we life is more comfortable now, there's no doubt about that,

(01:58:25):
but we are living in a meaning crisis.

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Speaker 8 (01:59:29):
You know, they're antidepressants. Everyone's on them because we don't
feel like we have purpose anymore. The diseases of despair
are off the charts right, and people often point to
medicine as the one area of technology that has saved us.
But I mean, lifespan continues to decline, and that's not

(01:59:50):
medicine's fault necessarily, although that is maybe the leading cause
of death depending on how you categorize it as medical error,
but it's at least the third leading cause of death
use the conservative estimates, and lifespan shortening, and so yeah,
it has technology helped us. I don't really think so
I mean, I think there are categories of technology, like
real things that are designed and built to do, real

(02:00:14):
physical things in the world tend to be more beneficial
for society. I'm talking about like an air conditioner or
a fledge or a car. But now technological development occurs
really only in the information domain information technology. A big
portion of our productive effort as humans is dedicated to

(02:00:36):
information technology, and it does nothing for us other than
make us anxious and stupid and incompetence. It really is
bread and circuses, man, I mean, keep them entertained, keep
them fed. Again that I don't want to turn this
into like a crazy you know, this is an Epstein discussion,

(02:00:57):
but to your point, I don't really think it has.

Speaker 9 (02:01:03):
Well, and that's what like climate.

Speaker 8 (02:01:05):
Control is nice, that's all same, but beyond that, well, you.

Speaker 9 (02:01:09):
Know, that's what what Christopher Noles spends like the first
it's like a fourteen part series or something like that,
and I haven't read all of it, but I read
the like the first few, and the first one he
spends on is how nothing that scientists say is going
to happen in the next like ten to twenty years,

(02:01:31):
ever fucking happens. You know, like they are always talking
about how like, oh, this revolutionary new technology is going
to change the way that some fundamental piece of medicine.

Speaker 8 (02:01:42):
Like you know something, how many times have you seen
cancer be cured on an Instagram post? It's cured every day.

Speaker 9 (02:01:47):
And then he's like he brings in all the examples,
the caveats that the journalists you know, throw in at
the end, being like, well, right now, like we're still
in the developmental stage of this technology and we still
have to run trials, and it's you know, still you know,
we're still working on it. So realistically, like ten to
twenty years from now, we'll start seeing this. And so

(02:02:11):
he goes back and he looks at these things that
scientists were talking about in the late nineties and early
two thousands, and then you know, it's like, okay, it's
twenty years later, as you know, the ability to hack
our genes produced any like major revelations in medicine, you know,
the way that they said that it was going to
And it's like, no, it hasn't, but they keep doing this.

(02:02:33):
It's a it's a you know, we still see those
same articles today.

Speaker 8 (02:02:37):
You know, I feel like you're about AI and like this,
you know.

Speaker 9 (02:02:40):
To like your point about AI becoming conscious. You know,
they're like, Oh, it's gonna you know, it's going to happen,
blah blah blah blah blah, and then it never does.

Speaker 8 (02:02:47):
No, what it's really going to do is you're going
to lose your job and you're going to be stupider
because you're not going to be able to look things
up the old fashioned way. I feel like you just
either subconsciously or we're on the same same wave length.
We're kind of channeling that chapter I wrote about, or
maybe I never even sent it to you. Maybe we're
just in the same wavelength. But this whole, this nineties

(02:03:11):
and two thousands era that we grew up in, I think,
where everything was going to be fixed, The Human Genome
Project was going to fix everything. Then Crisper. We've get
billions and billions of dollars have important to this. There

(02:03:32):
is really no tangible treatment other than Crisper UH for
sickle cell anemia and maybe like a couple other types
of dallashemia's. But essentially we've made no progress in that domain.
But then oddly things other things are accomplished, like social

(02:03:53):
media and AI sort of and I do feel like
it's because those are the pet projects of these groups,
whoever they are.

Speaker 9 (02:04:05):
And that's what it kind of gets, you know, back
to that point of like, so what is Epstein's interest
in science, Like, is it just a personal interest or
is he part of a group that's trying to guide
science in a direction that benefits these groups, that benefits
intelligence agencies. Because while we're getting more anxious, and while
we're you know, caught in this like sometimes toxic cycle

(02:04:29):
of social media, you know, whether it's going down propaganda
rabbit holes or whether it's you know, being bombarded with
images of sex, like, whatever it is, you know, we're
experiencing negative effects. But what it has been really helpful
for is intelligence agencies and the way that they collect
information and the way that they understand how human behavior operates.

(02:04:52):
So they're gaining all sorts of benefits from social media
and AI and all of these different things. You know,
when they're able to track your Internet searches and when
they're able to you know, monitor all these things, they're
just amassing data. And now they've they've gone into like
the health you know, they're Peter Teal and I think
like a Pallentteer like they got a hold of like

(02:05:16):
two hundred to two hundred and fifty million Americans health records.
And what we're being with like these health monitor systems,
is when you put a bracelet on and you track
every single thing that you do, every minute that you're
awake and sometimes even when you're asleep, and then you
upload it to an app, and then that app is
data mined by these organizations so that they're understood.

Speaker 8 (02:05:39):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:05:40):
So I don't want to go to deep. No.

Speaker 8 (02:05:41):
You you're landing the plane. You're landing the Epstein plane.
This is related to Ebstein and it is it is.
It is wild. The amount of work I have to
go through to get an approval to do a study,
if I have to access medical records, I don't even
bother because it's so difficult. But Peter Teal can throw
some money around and he just gets it all which man,

(02:06:04):
you know, capital is important. There's a reason people fight
for it. But anyway, I think you did a good
job landing the plane. This will set us up nicely
to talk, maybe go a little deeper into some of
these weird connections that Epstein has with scientists. I think
we'll wrap up. Folks. If you would like to write

(02:06:25):
a book, please email editor at hemispheric Press dot com.
Ideally send a sample chapter, but even if you're not
that far, still email David. He's the guy. He is
busy now some other books, but we're always looking for
more and we are still pretty new company, so we
can be pretty hands on if that's what you're into.

(02:06:50):
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Speaker 9 (02:07:06):
Steven, check out the substack.

Speaker 8 (02:07:11):
It's hemispheric Press dot substack dot com.

Speaker 9 (02:07:14):
Yep Hemispheric Press is substack. We've got some of this work.
I'm going to be writing up an Epstein series, so
I've got kind of a draft of that going. So
if you want to read a little bit more. What's
cool is some of these articles that I'm referencing, I
will hyperlink into the body of the essays, body of

(02:07:37):
the ride deps, and so you can actually kind of
go do some of your own research if you want.
You know, hyperlinks to some of the Whitney Web articles,
Johnny Bedmore articles, Snyder, you know, just the different things
that I've referenced, just so you can see I'm not
just making stuff up. We also have some exciting projects

(02:07:57):
coming through with some other authors that are completely not
about Epstein, pretty pretty far away. So if you're looking
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Speaker 8 (02:08:12):
Yes, we picked an we picked an intense topic to
start with, the Epstein thing. I do, I gotta, I
gotta try to do. You gotta allow me to do.
Try to do. One more disclaimer here, I'm am kind
of sarcastic. I like to joke around. I think this
is I think this is a story about good and evil,
and I think stories about good and evil tend to

(02:08:33):
get manipulated and used for malevolent purposes. And I do
think some of the like the the anti Semitic aspect
to this, I actually do think that is one of
those purposes. I don't think this is a group or
an ethnicity or nation trying to control America. Maybe there's

(02:08:54):
an aspect of that, but I think that's too simple
of a narrative to really capture the whole story of
who Epstein is. And and staff. There might be certainly
obviously international intelligence agencies involved doing the various things, and
maybe it's pointed a little bit more heavily to one
international intelligence agency versus another, But even still, I truly

(02:09:17):
believe that this is this is this is about. This
is about kind of it's kind of the haves versus
the have nots, but at like an extreme scale, like
there are people who aren't belong to I would say
they're the governing class, right they they they govern other humans,

(02:09:40):
and they have a level of power and control and secrecy.
Now let me just end with this. So I did
listen to that Tucker Candace thing, which is it's tough
to reference Candace Owens when you're trying to make a
point about about let's not jump to anti Semitic conclusions
here about this, but listen, she makes some good points,

(02:10:02):
and she mentioned Bill Burr's father's book that you mentioned.
Do you remember that, do you remembers?

Speaker 9 (02:10:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:10:11):
What was it called?

Speaker 9 (02:10:12):
Its Base Relations?

Speaker 8 (02:10:13):
That's right, And I guess the theme of that book
is that basically these people became so powerful that that
they got bored. They almost wanted to be caught because
the gap between them and the pleabs that they governed
was so vast that that they they kind of just

(02:10:36):
became although I don't think he sow it this way,
but they kind of just became monsters. It could just
be that it could just be that just unchecked power
and access it just brings out the worst in human nature.
It could be that simple. Or maybe not. Maybe it's
maybe it really is a spiritual battle. I don't know, Yeah,

(02:10:59):
and I.

Speaker 9 (02:10:59):
Definite I second, you know, what you said is like,
you know, I think part of the reason that it
gets slanted so much towards you know, like the massade
is just because that's where the information that's available is.
So it's like you have the mainstream media that isn't
really covering it in serious depth, and so then you

(02:11:20):
go to alternative media, and it just happens that the
alternative media that you encounter is you know, I think
doing solid research, Like I'm not doubting you know, that
these connections exist, but it is a one sided kind
of slant, and that some of the real investigation into
you know, some of these other intelligence organizations and some

(02:11:41):
of these other you know, is not being you know,
covered as much as it should and that's why. You know,
like I've said, you know obviously been referencing web. But
then there's you know, Stephen Snyder is going really hard
into the into the English side of it. Yeah, and
so I think that's you know, a side that needs

(02:12:02):
to be told. It just hasn't like he just hasn't published.
You know, he's got like four books in his series
and only one has been published. And he keeps his
cards pretty close, you know, because of the nature of
the topic he's investigating, but also because you know, he's
writing a book and doesn't want other people to kind
of pick up on some of those threads. So, like

(02:12:23):
I said, I think it's part of that slant is
because of the the darth of information and you know,
we're just we're not on a story right now that
seems to heavily involve the KGB. But you know, if
we another topic, like you know, the Soviet Afghan War
and nineteen seventy nine, then we can go talk about
how shitty the KGB is, and we can, like you can,

(02:12:47):
all of these countries are doing it. You know, it's
not what your point is correct, It's not one ethnic group,
it's not one country. It is like you said, the
haves and the have not, and it's this the ruling class.
It's kind of like a civil war, you know, happening
within the elites.

Speaker 8 (02:13:07):
You know, it's a tale as old as time. This
is this is the story. This is an arc of
human history. We're just living in a particularly odd segment.
We're we're gearing up for the series finale. It feels
like more and more, which which makes it feel a
little more serious and intense. But anyway, well, I think

(02:13:30):
that wraps up Epstein Part two. I guess we'll call
it Stranger Bedfellows unless I can think of a better name.
I did not know about the Seagrams connection. That's really interesting,
because I did. I did listen to like a twenty
part series on the Nexium cult that just I was
boggled my mind. I thought it was so interesting and
it was really funded by these two Seagrims girls. So

(02:13:54):
it's interesting to see that connection. But anyway, thank you
for the hard hitting reporting as always, David.

Speaker 9 (02:14:00):
Absolutely, and we left with kind of like a glowing
picture written in New York Magazine of Jeffrey Epstein. And
we will pick up next episode with a journalist who
is presenting a different portrait of Jeffrey Epstein at the
same time. And her name is Vicky Ward. She writes

(02:14:21):
for Vanity Fair. And so we will then get into
kind of the initial downfall of Epstein and then his
resurrection from seeming calamity, and then we will get into
kind of the tail end and we'll wrap up some
of those kind of scientific connections and stuff.

Speaker 8 (02:14:41):
But yeah, I like the Vanity Fair story. That'll be
cool to hear, so awesome, And yeah, eventually we'll end
with his obvious suicide. All right, David, thanks man, talk
to you next week.

Speaker 9 (02:14:53):
All right, I appreciate it, man, have good night.

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