November 26, 2025 • 49 mins
In today's episode, WJ and KJ deliver another entertaining and creepy episode. KJ returns from a fly-fishing trip in the San Juan River Basin in New Mexico, and researches Bigfoot encounters from that region. Bill covers a tale of a terrifying Bigfoot account from some four wheelers in Colorado. And some great listener mail. Please join us!
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Hey, keV, let's let's follow this trail over you. This
looks like there might be something waiting down there. All right, Hey,
wait a minute, do you hear that? Yeah? I thought
it was just me. What the heck is that?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What that is?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Whoa?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Do you smell that too?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They looked there, They looked.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Those branches are over over there.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What the heck is that?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Holy cow? Is that what I think it is? Look
at that day? Oh my god, it's a freaking sasquatch.
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Us, haha, We're gonna have a present for you. So
folks ked a little fishing, and he sent me some pictures.
Where were you kept New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, I was on the San Juan River in New Mexico,
near and near the Four Corners where the four states
meet down there.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, it's a cool place right to four Corners. They
have that little monument there, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I didn't make it over to the monument, but we
were doing some fly fishing on the San Juan River.
I had never been there before. It's really beautiful. Shout
out to my friends at Soaring Eagle Lodge. They didn't
sponsor us, but they were nice hosts.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, they didn't sponsor us. Unbelievable kid, But I mean
talk about scenic. You know, when you go to different places,
and when you see different places, people send photographs of
this and that. Way they live, how they live, the
places they hang out. We live in a great country
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with so much diversity of landscape and hobbies that people have,
you know, and how they spend their time, you know,
and it's just incredible, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I was telling one of the guides when we came
in in the evening, you know, because we were in
these drift boats and we would drift down down the river,
you know, pretty much all day long from eight o'clock
in the morning till about four o'clock in the afternoon,
and we're fly fishing, so you're really concentrating on the water,
concentrating on the fly, looking for the fish under the fly,
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to the point where sometimes you forget to look up.
And I told them, you know, when I did look
up at these maces around us and these beautiful trees.
I had never seen them before in the fall, but
they're called cottonwoods, and they're like bright yellow with this
really rich bark, and they're all along the sides of
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the river. And then you see these red you know,
rock maces coming up out of the the trees and
that all around, all around the river, and you can
sit there and just look at the scenery for hours,
you know. But then of course you wouldn't catch any fish.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, every time you had a fish rise, you missed
and missed them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it was a nice sight. But I took a
ton of pictures of both the fish, the water, and
the masons and cottonwood trees. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, amazing, man, cottonwood.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I was just yeah, very rural place too, like, oh
my goodness, not much around at all.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No bigfoot scaling the mason well.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We may talk about that when we get to my section.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
All right, man, let me jump into this account. keV
uh this took place in Colorado or Colorado. And I'm
telling you, guys, you know, some of these accounts are
so fantastic. But if you allow yourself to enter into
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the PHRASEO to speak, and put yourself in the shoes
that Harold Schaeffer was in, I think you'd fear the
worst as these guys did. And let me just get
right into it. In late June Bill of twenty eleven,
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myself and two other cronies jumped into my buddy Dave's
four by four and headed over to Yankee Hill Road
near Idaho Springs in Colorado. Now, folks, if anybody is
familiar with this area, I want you to reach out
to me. Tell me if you've heard or seen anything
in the vicinity of Yankee Hill Road near Idaho Springs
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in Colorado. Inasmuch as most of your readers or listeners,
Bill will have no idea what that has to do
with anything. Yankee Hill Road is a four wheeling trail
that is about fifteen miles or so out and back.
The trail can range from the fairly mundane to a
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very difficult outing, and there are many side trails and
offshoots which can be a lot of fun, providing you
have the right truck to experience them. We had been
rat racing around for a couple of hours when we
decided to take a beer break, stopping next to a
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field that was bordered by a barbed wire fence. The
field was full of tall, brown and green colored grass. Now,
set back about seventy five feet into the field was
a huge patch of birch trees, on the corner of
which was an old looking little stone house with a
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brown roof. Now, if you're wondering why we had stopped,
just try drinking a beer while in a four by four.
I can appreciate that. So after having the first couple
of bruise, we cracked. Oh, after having the first couple
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of bruise, we cracked squirret all over the place. We
were sitting in the truck, slugging a few down, and
overall enjoying ourselves. Dave's truck was an old land rover
from the early seventies, the kind with three spare tires,
a fold down windshield, and canvas covered jump seats which
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grave gave it the true safariveeal. It only had a
four cylinder engine, but this thing was built to run
and run hard. So while we were sitting there, Dave
shouts out, oh my god, look at that, as he
flung his arm to point. He douched me with a beer.
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While I was paying more attention to being soaked with
beer and not looking where he had pointed. Tony said,
no way, dude, that was a friggin bigfoot. So I
turned to look, but whatever they had seen was already gone.
They started jabbering that a bigfoot had stepped out from
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behind this little house, turned to look at us, and
jumped back behind it. They were sincere enough, but I
hadn't seen anything, and neither of them wanted to get
out of the truck to look, which kind of cemented
it in my own mind that they had really seen something.
As you would imagine, they couldn't shut up about what
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they had seen, and Dave actually said, I'm getting the
heck out of here. I'll tell you bill. They were
visibly shaken, and Tony's eyes were bugging out of the
sockets in a way I had never seen them before.
He was really afraid, So it was starting to get
late in the day, and we were making our way
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through a forest of tall pines when there was a
loud crack, followed by the right front end of the
truck dropping down onto the tire. Now I forget if
it was a tie rod or a ball joint or whatever,
but the body of this land rover was now resting
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on a caved in wheel and we weren't going any further.
Thank god, we had cellular service, and Dave had a
number for some type of full wheel towing outfit who
said they would be out to get him, but it
would be a while. An hour into the wait, the
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sun having already set and darkness beginning to set in.
It was really dark where we had broken down, in
that we were completely engulfed in some say, sixty foot
tall spruce trees or whatever. They were in every direction
with the exception of the ten foot wide dirt trail
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we were on. And that's when things began to get
really interesting. We had been sitting in the dark now
for about an hour. The temperatures began to drop and
we were getting a little cold. The beer had run
out and everyone was more than a little exhausted from
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drinking and waiting. At some point, Dave reopened the siding
of the Bigfoot as we sat there in the dark,
and started up the truck to get some heat going.
He turned the headlights on, which kind of warmed me
up about being there in the dark. And so we
sat bullshitting about the Bigfoot and wondering if it or
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others may even be watching us. As we sat there idling.
Now it had been more than ninety minutes since Dave
had placed a call, and I started to wonder if
anyone was actually going to come at all. I was
sitting in the back of the truck, kind of leaning forwards.
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Dave and Tony were in the front seats. The back
of this land rover was a hard top with clear
glass all the way around, and there we sat until
without warding blam, the backside of the truck where I
was sitting got slammed with such force that the truck
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was lifted clear off the ground, throwing me out of
the seat and against the other side, while at the
same moment, Dave's head had hit the driver's door window
was such force that he had broken the glass. I
don't know how he remained conscious because his head sounded
like a sledgehammer when it hit the glass. The interior
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of this truck, if you've never seen one, was bare
bones aluminum, with nothing hold on a second, with nothing
to absorb and impact whatsoever. And I actually had rammed
my elbow right into the corner of the wheel well.
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Now the two of us were groaning and cursing, while
Tony was yelling what the freak was that nobody was
going to get out, and all the windows were rolled up,
with the exception of Dave's door window, through which the
cold night's wind was now blowing. As we were trying
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to come to grips with our own pain and what
had just happened, crack. We heard a huge tree or
branch breaking and a loud crash coming directly out of
the woods through Dave's now missing window. All of us
lurched to our right in response to the sound, which
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was followed by some kind of loud grunt or noise,
and then something that sounded like gibberish. And that's the
only way I can describe it, Bill. It was like loud,
unintelligible communication of some kind, and it was very very
close to us. A minute later, there was a flash
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of light, and as I turned my head to the rear,
I saw several sets of headlamps rocking and rolling along
the trail. I knew our rescuers had finally arrived. As
they pulled up to us. Having no idea of what
had happened and what was currently going on, we immediately
started shouting out to them, be careful, something is in
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the woods right there. Two of the guys had pistols
and everyone now shining flashlights into the woods with guns
ready to fire. When suddenly a round was shot, followed
by a second. When all the commotion was over, this
dude who had fired the gun said that he saw
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something really big run out from behind a tree and
fired at it. As things began to settle down, the
conversation began to turn onto the way we had looked
and the broken glass. We were all telling our tale
from the beginning. As one of the guys walked to
the side of the truck where the initial bang had
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occurred and the top edge of the roof was actually
caved in several inches in two different spots. As we
were talking, one of the other guys, who was driving
a four wheel drive F six point fifty with a
tow bed said let's get this thing loaded up and
get the hell out of here. You would never agreed more,
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and so we did. Fifteen minutes later we were on
our way out, and boy was I relieved. Each of
us now was riding in a different vehicle. And when
I started to tell the dude I was with everything
that had gone down, he said, you know a lot
of people claim to have seen Bigfoot in Colorado, but
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I've never heard anyone say the things what you're saying
about this type of an attack. It sounds like you
boys are lucky to be alive right now. When we
got back to our destination, one of the fellows said
we more than likely were hit by a bull moose,
and that it was the moose we heard cracking branches
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and grunted. The other dude fired back, saying, that was
no bull moose. I squeezed the trigger on bub. That
was a monster. And that's how it all ended Bill
in the parking lot of this repair shop. It was
one hell of a knight, and I can tell you
that much for sure. But Kevin crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Now, so while this thing slamming into the vehicle, they
didn't get a good look at it, or I know,
I shot.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
They were bs and sitting in the dark with the
headlights on and the heat on and just talking to
each other in the truck surrounded by these pines on
this trail and basically pinched black. And it sounds like
something bum rushed aside of the truck and slammed it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Moly.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, And the one guy's window got blown out, the
driver's door, and the dude in the back, Harold said
he got tossed across and slammed his elbow on the
sheet metal inside of this land rode.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And then they said it was pounding on the roof too, right.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, the other guy saw after the fact, when they
got picked up, he saw what appeared to be too
not appeared to be He saw twos I guess at
the edge of the roof, like something pounded on it,
maybe with two fists.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, those old ones were beasts.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah. Well they were made tough, but they were all aluminum.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Now, some of them were, you right, the Toyota land
the land Rover, I don't think was aluminum. The Toyota
land Rover, land Crews or whatever it was that was aluminum, Okay,
but I don't know if the English one was.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, I don't know, but those are the little I remember.
I'm mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. Whenever they were in Africa,
they were in one of them. Yeah, those were the
British ones.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who knows, man, but the old Defenders. Yeah, the little
square jobs. You know, amazing, man. Can you imagine for
one moment to be sitting in the dark in a
vehicle that something the front end fell out of it.
Like he said, I didn't know if it was a
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top irod or a ball joint, but the front end
just collapsed down onto the wheel and they weren't going anywhere.
You know. Yeah, that's sitting there terrifying. God, I just
can't believe it. So there you have it. Colorado a
right location for bigfoot sidings.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, we definitely know that. The You know, there's a
lot of hairyman sidings in Colorado, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
For sure, and a couple of bogus ones like that
one with the thing was running around when the train
was coming by. Yeah, I mean, come on, people actually
were fooled by that. I said. It looked like a
guy at the Halloween costume jumping around over there, like
posing for the people on the train, you know, yeah, yeah,
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but so again, folks, if you know anything about this
area Yankee Hill Road near Idaho Springs and Colorado, feel
free to chime in. Maybe you four wheel out there
when these guys were wheeling. You know, you never know, Kevi.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
No, no doubt about it. I mean it sounds like
a great place to go have some fun unless you
get stuck there at night. I mean I'm just sitting
there thinking, Okay, I'm drinking beer with my friends, sitting
in a vehicle, lights on, heats on, you know, dark area,
and all of a sudden, whamo, Like, what the heck?
That's got to give you a heart attack?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, I mean, and not knowing what the feeling of helplessness.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, I mean, you can't get more help now here.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
And these guys are they obviously didn't have any guns
with him. I mean, you know, I get it, you're
going out full wheel and not everybody's carrying a weapon around.
But what if, guys, just what if you really need
something I don't know what to carry? Permits are in Colorado.
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If you could have a shotgun in your truck or
a pistol, you know, I talk to a lot of
people where they can carry a gun, but I don't
know anything about.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I don't know sure, but I think it is pretty liberal. Well,
you can carry, especially you know you're out in the wilderness,
because it's for your own safety.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I mean, keV. If I could, I'd have a gun
on me every day. Yeah, you know, just for good measure.
I wouldn't go flashing it around or whatever. I wouldn't
mind having a conceal and carry permit with his shoulder holes,
you know, just under my suit jacket, you know, have
some type of you know, something small, but like a
sixteen inch barrel.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
On I was thinking of a forty four magnum this
he is the most powerful handgun in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, you got to ask yourself, punk, Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Hey? Was it five or was it six? In all
the excitement, I kind of lost count myself. But I'm
willing to pull the trigger again.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I gots to know, I gots to know those Dirty
Harry movies, Dirty Fantastic Man, Harry Callahan. Yeah, absolutely fair.
You remember that diner scene, Oh yeah, in the city
where he goes in and uh the uh the server
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behind the counter obviously is somebody he's seen many times before,
didn't she like overpour his coffee or something like that,
like Noll, she brought the wrong thing out that he
never orders, okay, you know, like in other words, she
knew what he comes in there again, you know, breakfast, special,
over easy, you know whatever, and she puts something else
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in front of him deliberately that she knew he would get,
you know, get why she put it down. So he
lays it. She lays it down, and then he kind
of takes the second glance at the three goons at
the table by the window, and then he just rises
up out of the stool at the counter and blasts
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these three goods. As soon as he stood up, they
tried to get up like they were gonna draw on him,
and he just wasted them all.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I remember you had to meet with the inspector after that,
and they said, County Callahan people have a habit a
diet around you.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Great, great one.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm gonna have to watch that again, dirty Harry.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, Yeah, that's awesome, fantastic awesome. So that was it,
keV Cool.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, I started out talking about fishing in the San
Juan River basin, and guess what I did? My research
on Bigfoot in the San Juan River basin.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
And it turns out that there's quite a bit going
on there for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And I wasn't surprised because they had elk all around there.
I saw some elk. They have cougars like crazy around there.
I didn't see any cougars, but you rarely do. They
have havevelina hogs, the wild wild pigs of the desert
out there, and it's like pretty wooded. You know, it's
a high desert, so you know, not like Phoenix, Arizona.
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Like we were fishing at about sixty five hundred feet
above sea level for example.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Wow, you were up there.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
We were up there and there were you know, big
mesas all around us. So so it just.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Goes to show you keb find the food, find the water,
find the bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
No, And that's exactly it. So, you know, like they
in this research, I was looking at it and seeing
like if it was a realistic place for Bigfoot to
live first, right, and it's it's you know, the San
Juan River also has this forest that follows it all
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along this beautiful fertile valley. And I can tell when
I was driving down there early Wednesday morning, you know,
going down these rural roads, and all of a sudden
you come over the top of this mason and you
see all of these cottonwood trees and pine trees down
in this valley and they're surrounding the river as it
runs all the way through that part of New Mexico
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and Colorado.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Right, And do you think about it, keV. A perfect
place to stalk, a perfect place for wildlife to walk through,
everybody going to the river to drink, just the ideal
location to have a blind to hide and get the
jump on something on a trail, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's kind of like a river highway, you know, that
provides dense cover, water, lots of food. I mean, of course,
you know, we were catching big rainbow trout and big
brown trout. And while we were fishing, we saw these
muskrats that were swimming in the river. And we saw
some river otters too, pretty big river otters.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
So this place was just loaded with water, funning with life.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You know, you know, keV, I've often thought, you know,
we've all seen pictures of lions in Africa, cougars in
trees in Colorado, Idaho and Whatnotuh. And we've seen actual
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movies now in this day and age of some of
these creatures launching an attack from a branch, jumping down
on like a gazelle or an animal. And I've often thought,
why not a bigfoot? What would prohibit a bigfoot from
sitting up on a stout branch and just staying in
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situ until something came under it and then just launching
an aerial attack coming down and just smashing the bejesus
out of whatever it comes down onto.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, I mean be an apex predator move you know.
I look at that a great white sharks. Now they're
figuring out that they generally attack from directly below the prey.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, they come down straight up like a missile, like
a missile. Yeah. This is by the way, By the way, keV,
I don't know if you heard this or that. I
think it was the de Ceo National Oceanic Society or
something has confirmed and reported that the coastal area of
Long Island, New York, New Jersey is confirmed a white
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shalk nursery.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, So on Shark Week, I think it was two
or three years ago, one of the you know standard
groups that they film on that Shalk Week was right
off Montauk. I mean they were, I don't think they
were an eighth of a mile, which is from the
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lighthouse and the North Side Beach where everybody fishes, and
there's all kinds of boats over there, and they were
diving in cages trying to prove or disprove that there
was a nursery there, that white shawks were berthing there.
And they did have little white shawks, you know, four
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or five six foot is so. Yeah. I heard a
report many years ago of some guys that were in
a twenty foot Steiger craft. And by the way, Folksteiger
is a boat manufacturer right here in Belport, Long Island.
They were in a twenty foot Steiger and outside of
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Shinnacock Inlet, which is one of my favorite places to
just hang out and chill, and a white shark came
by their boat that was bigger than the twenty foot.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, well I knew they moved up along that
way because it's the ocean.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well they go pay asked us up to Massachusetts exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We know they hang out up there. But you know
what the turning Point Bill has since I moved away
many years ago, we never had seals and sea lions
and stuff. You guys got a lot of seals now.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, there there is a lot, and they grow
because there's no predation.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, and they love but I mean great white sharks
love seals and sea lions.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah. Well, I was right on the rocks one spring
with Danny and this seal was looking at us, going
along the rocks, sticking his head in the nooks and crannies.
I think it was looking for like crabs and lobsters,
and it kept looking directly at us, no fear at all.
And you can see a couple of times it was
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trying to climb the rocks to come to us. And
I was blown away by that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But we knew you had a couple of burgers in
your pockets.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, a couple of bass.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
From me, one of those cheeseburgers, no mustard.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So anyways, I don't know how I got So go
back to your story.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, So let's go back in time first and we'll
talk about some modern day encounters. So this area, you know,
the San Juan River basin there in northern New Mexico
is part of the Navajo nation and the Navajo definitely
talk about this creature and they have a name for
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it for it called Yeti de cleuei k l u
i I. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing that correctly. But
what's interesting is the Navajo talk about the creature as
being an absolute monster. And you know that these giant
beings bring chaotic forces and prey on humans.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, there you have it, right, And how about the
usage of the word YETI.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I know, but it's in their language, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's a translation that relates
to what we hear from over in Europe.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It does Asia, it does, And I don't know if
it's coincidence or what. Yeah, But what's really interesting though,
is that they talk about it and the quote is
it is evil and does no good.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah. It sounds like something you want to go talk to.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Right, yeah, absolutely, let's go pet it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah. And they had.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Come across some ancient, ancient petroglyphs that depict a furry,
bigfoot like figure and they say that it's distinguished by
having six toes, which I never heard of before. Okay,
pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Right, Yeah. I mean, now the Naysas would say the
guy just was bad at heart, and that was really
his mother in law before she took a shave. Could
be could be, could be six toes.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, But you know the activity there, it's not limited
to ancient folklore. It's thought about as a hotspot for
contemporary sightings. And I didn't know that until I started
researching it. Okay, so I'm going to go through a
couple other sightings here. Excellent, all right. So this woman
named Brenda Harris, she's in a town called Upper Fruitland,
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which is very close to where I was. And this
happened in August two thousand and eight. Okay, she's not
that long ago. No, she's at her home and she's
an Avajo resident of Upper Fruitland. And the incident began
around one am in the morning when her son and nephew,
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who were outside in the yard, ran into the house
claiming to have found something. Harris. Harris went out and
was astonished to find two very large, quasi human looking footprints.
She carefully measured and photographed them, and they were eighteen
inches long four inches wide, and the stride between the
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left and right prince was about four feet.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Now that's interesting too, when we talk about footprints because
that had a good lent to it, but rather than narrow. Yeah,
I mean, I'm looking down at my foot right now,
my foot has to be four inches wide.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, I was going to say three and a half
or so from.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, but I'm wearing a twelve that had an eighteen
with no shoe on it, you know. I mean, that's
a pretty big little bit of a bigfoot too.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And then about a week later later, Brenda had a
follow up en counter. Around ten thirty pm, Harris's sister
was visiting. The dogs began going nuts, but not in
the usual way. They sounded really disturbed. Harris and her
sister went out to investigate. They heard heavy steps coming
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toward them. After hearing the steps again, Harris saw a
shape rise from the gloom. She described it as huge,
very very hairy, long dark hair and no neck. She
noted a pointy head and really wide muscular chest and shoulders.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Kevin, I always say, if you're hearing them, they want
you to hear them, Yeah, because I don't buy into
the fact that anything that lives outside, anything that's a predator,
knows and was created to walk stealthily, because otherwise you'd
be given up you'd never catch anything. Everything would hear
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you coming. Yeah, you know, even the Indians and in
kung fu clinics and whatnot, people perfect walking like in
kung fu and rice paper Yep, you know, without crackling
or crunching, you know, this steady pace. Yeah, heel toe gently,
you know. So it's just for people. It's a matter
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of controlling your muscles, you know. But I'm sure Bigfoot
and other animals in the forest have that God given
ability to move stealthily. Otherwise they, like I said, if
there was no fruit around or anything else to eat,
you just start yep, you know, if you had to stalk.
Try sneaking up on something quietly in the yacht everything
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runs away.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, pretty hard to do, easy to say.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Hard to do. Yeah, try sneaking up on a fat
raccoon that's in your own See what happens. They just
go too God unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So here's here's another one for you. And November twenty
twenty fifty, fifty eight year old Emerson Jim that's his name,
was gathering fire with his family near the summit in
the Chusca Mountains. The encounter occurred in broad daylight around
four point thirty pm. First came the smell, an obnoxious
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stench that Emerson described as overpowering, like a rotting animal.
And then came the sound, a howlers scream that froze
the family dead in their tracks. A deafening silence followed
the scream. As the family began to leave, they heard
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branches breaking us if something heavy was stepping on them.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
The react deliberate.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh yeah, and the reaction was pure, primal fear. He
and his family took off running and have never returned
to that part of the forest.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's Zatuska, right, Yeah, isn't that a national forest?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Could be I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, I think I've heard tail over there of activity
could be wow.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah. And one more for you. Yeah, So this one
I had to cover because this is right along the river.
Jacob Chaves, the owner of a fly fishing guide service,
was on the San Juan River near Blanco, New Mexico
during harvest season. While fishing, he heard a deep, guttural
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howl that was so powerful it was clearly heard over
the sound of the rapids and the birds.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Wow, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
A few minutes later, Chavez heard the creature moving through
the brush upstream and away from him. He never got
a clear look at what made the noise, but he
reported it to the History Channel's Ancient Monster Quest Crew. Wow,
and that was the third time he had experienced such
a phenomena in that area, keV.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
While you were there on that river drift boating, what
was typically flanking the banks tall grass.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Very tall grass and brush, you know, like five or
six feet tall.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, because it's gonna it's gonna grow, typically grow like
gangbusters next to the water. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
No, really tall stuff like you know, because I was
thinking about it, of course while I'm sitting there. So
it could be very easy for a creature to come
out of this grass and reach down to the water,
get a drink of water, go into water and grab
a fish.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Whatever did you did you happen to notice? I know
you're fly fishing, right, you're drifting, you're paying attention to
the surface, but you're looking around. Did you see any
game trail openings as you were drifting a little? Absolutely? Yeah? See,
so they know they know all creatures great and small travel.
You know. I'm going to talk about my friend Rich again. Rich,
(38:54):
God bless you. Bro. Rich sent me a couple of
pictures before off his place up in Idaho, and I
said to him, you know, he's got a couple of
snapshots from one of his game trail cameras of creatures
coming right up his driveway. And I said to him,
you see creatures, bears. There was a bear with a cub,
(39:18):
a deer, couple of deer. They even thoughiced driveway was
created by men, you know, a dirt driveway that was
bulldozed open with a metal gate on the end of
it that you could walk around in the trees. But
the creatures walk up his driveway. Oh yeah, you know,
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there's woods all over the place, trees. They could go
completely avoid it if they wanted to, but they follow
the open trail. In this case, it's like, you know,
an eight foot wide dirt driveway that leads up to
the house he's building.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, they're creatures of habit, you know. They they like
it could be that that was a bit of a
game trail before he made it into his driveway too,
that's right, I know. I know when I was up
in Alaska, you know, with the big brown bears, like
the guides would tell us like, well, this here is
a trail where the bears walk down all day long,
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and you know, I thought they were teasing me. And
then you walk along a little bit on the trail
and there's a big pile of bear scat.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah no.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
And then we saw like the next day bears walking
down the same trail. It's like they're a little highway.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And you can't blame any
creature for taking the easy way, no. You know, like
even with fish, fish don't waste energy. You know, if
you're fishing in a river and the current's coming at you,
any fly fishermen or me drifting for stripers, I look
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for drop offs, excuse me, I look for a boulder
under the water, a tree hung up snag, and those
fish are gonna set up behind that to save energy
in the current, and they will pop out to grab
something and come to them. That's right, they just do it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Well, that's exactly how we were catching them too, a
little drop off the rocks, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah no, and that guy, the guys in their drift boats,
they know what's going on around now, know that about it?
They put you on it, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So it's good, folks, if you get a chance to
go down there, even if you don't fish. What a
beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, Kevin, so much for the friendly hairy man of
the woods. That stuff really tires me. And that's why
I always say to always carry more gun than you think.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I don't think it's you know, when they describe it
as pure evil too. It also gets to the point
of you know, what, what is Bigfoot? And what could
Bigfoot be? At times?
Speaker 3 (41:56):
You know, yeah, yeah, this nothing sweet and cuddly about it.
And I haven't said it in a while, but my friends,
if you meet up with Bigfoot and walk away, you've
had a really good day. Yeah. Absolutely, And that's my
opinion and I'm sticking to it. Cool. So what do
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we have and I'll listen to mail.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Today, Ken, Yeah, we got some good mail. Thanks folks
for writing in again. Keep the letters coming. We're going
to cover one and that's a bit detailed.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Today.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Bill from Derek in Manitoba, and he says, Bill and Kevin,
thanks for mentioning me. Derek, I'm curious, after all these
years of doing the show, do you think Bigfoot is real?
If so, what do you think it actually is? It's
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multiple choice, he says. One a physical being that evolved
quietly alongside us, which explains the physical footprints that are
often found. Two some kind of dimensional being that's able
to enter and leave our dimension at will, which is
indicated by Bigfoot tracks in the snow just suddenly ending
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for no reason.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Or Three some kind of extraterrestrial being, as many Bigfoot
sightings also involve UFO sidings. Curious what each of you
think after hearing all the stories bill as collected over
the years. So we got a physical being that evolved,
some kind of dimensional being that can you know, go
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in and out of some kind of portal, or some
kind of extraterrestrial being.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, what do you think, keV? You've heard a lot
about this now since we've joined up.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
What do you would you certainly hear all three of those? Derek,
you know, on a repeated basis. You know, I can.
I'm consistent in our hundreds of episodes of podcasts that
I'm a believer in Ockham's Raiser, where you know, Ockham's
are states that the most obvious solution is probably the
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actual solution. So I would go with one, a physical
being that's evolved quietly alongside us, you know. Yeah, But
that said, you know, you didn't give us a choice
of some demonic type creature.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
And I do believe that, you know, I do.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Believe in demonic creatures and demons, and I do believe
that they can manifest themselves in any shape. You know,
and we you know of these red eyes and stuff.
But you know, when you and I know you can
have a stink associated with demons too, But I always
think of that as being more associated with poor, poor cleanliness,
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poor well.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Even myself, I haven't showered in twenty one days, so
the microphone is wilting in front of me, but I
don't care. And that's why we do.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
This recording folks six hundred miles away from one another.
And by the way, my windows are shut just in
case that normally breathe has bought. So I go with one,
and with the addition that you know, sometimes there could
be some type of demonic manifestation. But what do you
think bill one or two, the dimensional being that's able
(45:19):
to leave or enter our dimension at will, or three
some kind of extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, my opinion is, and anybody really would know this
that has listened to us for a long time, I
think the UFO phenomena in its entirety, and the bigfoots
that appear to come and go disappear from infrared, all
of that when togoes. You know, all of that stuff
(45:49):
is of the demonic realm in my opinion, and it's
just it's just by design supposed to get on my
in our hearts off of what I believe is the
truth and onto something else, you know, just kind of
make you scatter brained about what's going on on earth.
(46:10):
You know, well maybe this or maybe that, or you know,
maybe aliens planted us. You know, come on, man, I'm
not buying it. You're entitled to buy whatever you want to,
but you're not going to buy it with my money. Yeah. Yeah,
Now I think there's two things going on here, flesh
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and blood creature and then demonic activity.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Okay, so you'd go, you're agreeing with me, then you
agree with number one, and then you know one a
some type of demonic thing that can give us choice of.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, we know, demonic activity goes on in all kinds
of ships. Well, look at the Black Eyed Children phenomena.
Where do you think that came from? Folks? I mean,
you know, you think that came down from heaven? They
mean us no harm. You know, they're just good little
kids knocking on your door, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know, Bill? Right now, it's very dark here. Yeah,
and my ring cameras keep going off, and I'd rather
not look at the black eyed children, even if they
just want to borrow the telephone.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
All right, Well, pardon me for a minute while I
grab my double barrel.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
All right, great podcast, Bill, Thanks folks for listening. Give
us a five star review when you get a minute,
and keep those emails coming. We'll keep them anonymous. But
we love hearing from there, even.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
If you just want to say hello, Yeah, folks, and
hit the shop if you can buy a hat, bump
a sticker's shirt, whatever. And remember, if you're four wheeling
in Colorado Yankee Hill Road near Idaho's Springs, or perhaps
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you're at the four Corners drift boating and you have
to pull over and enter the wheeze for a little break,
you best remember one thing. My friends always carry more
gun than you think you're going to need.
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hey, keV, let's let's follow this trail over you. This
looks like there might be something waiting down there. All right, Hey,
wait a minute, do you hear that? Yeah? I thought
it was just me. What the heck is that?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What that is?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Whoa?
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Do you smell that too?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They looked there, They looked.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Those branches are over over there.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What the heck is that?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Holy cow? Is that what I think it is? Look
at that day? Oh my god, it's a freaking sasquatch.
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Us, haha, We're gonna have a present for you. So
folks ked a little fishing, and he sent me some pictures.
Where were you kept New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, I was on the San Juan River in New Mexico,
near and near the Four Corners where the four states
meet down there.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, it's a cool place right to four Corners. They
have that little monument there, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I didn't make it over to the monument, but we
were doing some fly fishing on the San Juan River.
I had never been there before. It's really beautiful. Shout
out to my friends at Soaring Eagle Lodge. They didn't
sponsor us, but they were nice hosts.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, they didn't sponsor us. Unbelievable kid, But I mean
talk about scenic. You know, when you go to different places,
and when you see different places, people send photographs of
this and that. Way they live, how they live, the
places they hang out. We live in a great country
(03:59):
with so much diversity of landscape and hobbies that people have,
you know, and how they spend their time, you know,
and it's just incredible, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I was telling one of the guides when we came
in in the evening, you know, because we were in
these drift boats and we would drift down down the river,
you know, pretty much all day long from eight o'clock
in the morning till about four o'clock in the afternoon,
and we're fly fishing, so you're really concentrating on the water,
concentrating on the fly, looking for the fish under the fly,
(04:34):
to the point where sometimes you forget to look up.
And I told them, you know, when I did look
up at these maces around us and these beautiful trees.
I had never seen them before in the fall, but
they're called cottonwoods, and they're like bright yellow with this
really rich bark, and they're all along the sides of
(04:54):
the river. And then you see these red you know,
rock maces coming up out of the the trees and
that all around, all around the river, and you can
sit there and just look at the scenery for hours,
you know. But then of course you wouldn't catch any fish.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, every time you had a fish rise, you missed
and missed them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it was a nice sight. But I took a
ton of pictures of both the fish, the water, and
the masons and cottonwood trees. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, amazing, man, cottonwood.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I was just yeah, very rural place too, like, oh
my goodness, not much around at all.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No bigfoot scaling the mason well.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We may talk about that when we get to my section.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
All right, man, let me jump into this account. keV
uh this took place in Colorado or Colorado. And I'm
telling you, guys, you know, some of these accounts are
so fantastic. But if you allow yourself to enter into
(06:04):
the PHRASEO to speak, and put yourself in the shoes
that Harold Schaeffer was in, I think you'd fear the
worst as these guys did. And let me just get
right into it. In late June Bill of twenty eleven,
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myself and two other cronies jumped into my buddy Dave's
four by four and headed over to Yankee Hill Road
near Idaho Springs in Colorado. Now, folks, if anybody is
familiar with this area, I want you to reach out
to me. Tell me if you've heard or seen anything
in the vicinity of Yankee Hill Road near Idaho Springs
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in Colorado. Inasmuch as most of your readers or listeners,
Bill will have no idea what that has to do
with anything. Yankee Hill Road is a four wheeling trail
that is about fifteen miles or so out and back.
The trail can range from the fairly mundane to a
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very difficult outing, and there are many side trails and
offshoots which can be a lot of fun, providing you
have the right truck to experience them. We had been
rat racing around for a couple of hours when we
decided to take a beer break, stopping next to a
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field that was bordered by a barbed wire fence. The
field was full of tall, brown and green colored grass. Now,
set back about seventy five feet into the field was
a huge patch of birch trees, on the corner of
which was an old looking little stone house with a
(07:58):
brown roof. Now, if you're wondering why we had stopped,
just try drinking a beer while in a four by four.
I can appreciate that. So after having the first couple
of bruise, we cracked. Oh, after having the first couple
(08:19):
of bruise, we cracked squirret all over the place. We
were sitting in the truck, slugging a few down, and
overall enjoying ourselves. Dave's truck was an old land rover
from the early seventies, the kind with three spare tires,
a fold down windshield, and canvas covered jump seats which
(08:42):
grave gave it the true safariveeal. It only had a
four cylinder engine, but this thing was built to run
and run hard. So while we were sitting there, Dave
shouts out, oh my god, look at that, as he
flung his arm to point. He douched me with a beer.
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While I was paying more attention to being soaked with
beer and not looking where he had pointed. Tony said,
no way, dude, that was a friggin bigfoot. So I
turned to look, but whatever they had seen was already gone.
They started jabbering that a bigfoot had stepped out from
(09:29):
behind this little house, turned to look at us, and
jumped back behind it. They were sincere enough, but I
hadn't seen anything, and neither of them wanted to get
out of the truck to look, which kind of cemented
it in my own mind that they had really seen something.
As you would imagine, they couldn't shut up about what
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they had seen, and Dave actually said, I'm getting the
heck out of here. I'll tell you bill. They were
visibly shaken, and Tony's eyes were bugging out of the
sockets in a way I had never seen them before.
He was really afraid, So it was starting to get
late in the day, and we were making our way
(10:15):
through a forest of tall pines when there was a
loud crack, followed by the right front end of the
truck dropping down onto the tire. Now I forget if
it was a tie rod or a ball joint or whatever,
but the body of this land rover was now resting
(10:35):
on a caved in wheel and we weren't going any further.
Thank god, we had cellular service, and Dave had a
number for some type of full wheel towing outfit who
said they would be out to get him, but it
would be a while. An hour into the wait, the
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sun having already set and darkness beginning to set in.
It was really dark where we had broken down, in
that we were completely engulfed in some say, sixty foot
tall spruce trees or whatever. They were in every direction
with the exception of the ten foot wide dirt trail
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we were on. And that's when things began to get
really interesting. We had been sitting in the dark now
for about an hour. The temperatures began to drop and
we were getting a little cold. The beer had run
out and everyone was more than a little exhausted from
(11:36):
drinking and waiting. At some point, Dave reopened the siding
of the Bigfoot as we sat there in the dark,
and started up the truck to get some heat going.
He turned the headlights on, which kind of warmed me
up about being there in the dark. And so we
sat bullshitting about the Bigfoot and wondering if it or
(11:57):
others may even be watching us. As we sat there idling.
Now it had been more than ninety minutes since Dave
had placed a call, and I started to wonder if
anyone was actually going to come at all. I was
sitting in the back of the truck, kind of leaning forwards.
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Dave and Tony were in the front seats. The back
of this land rover was a hard top with clear
glass all the way around, and there we sat until
without warding blam, the backside of the truck where I
was sitting got slammed with such force that the truck
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was lifted clear off the ground, throwing me out of
the seat and against the other side, while at the
same moment, Dave's head had hit the driver's door window
was such force that he had broken the glass. I
don't know how he remained conscious because his head sounded
like a sledgehammer when it hit the glass. The interior
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of this truck, if you've never seen one, was bare
bones aluminum, with nothing hold on a second, with nothing
to absorb and impact whatsoever. And I actually had rammed
my elbow right into the corner of the wheel well.
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Now the two of us were groaning and cursing, while
Tony was yelling what the freak was that nobody was
going to get out, and all the windows were rolled up,
with the exception of Dave's door window, through which the
cold night's wind was now blowing. As we were trying
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to come to grips with our own pain and what
had just happened, crack. We heard a huge tree or
branch breaking and a loud crash coming directly out of
the woods through Dave's now missing window. All of us
lurched to our right in response to the sound, which
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was followed by some kind of loud grunt or noise,
and then something that sounded like gibberish. And that's the
only way I can describe it, Bill. It was like loud,
unintelligible communication of some kind, and it was very very
close to us. A minute later, there was a flash
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of light, and as I turned my head to the rear,
I saw several sets of headlamps rocking and rolling along
the trail. I knew our rescuers had finally arrived. As
they pulled up to us. Having no idea of what
had happened and what was currently going on, we immediately
started shouting out to them, be careful, something is in
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the woods right there. Two of the guys had pistols
and everyone now shining flashlights into the woods with guns
ready to fire. When suddenly a round was shot, followed
by a second. When all the commotion was over, this
dude who had fired the gun said that he saw
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something really big run out from behind a tree and
fired at it. As things began to settle down, the
conversation began to turn onto the way we had looked
and the broken glass. We were all telling our tale
from the beginning. As one of the guys walked to
the side of the truck where the initial bang had
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occurred and the top edge of the roof was actually
caved in several inches in two different spots. As we
were talking, one of the other guys, who was driving
a four wheel drive F six point fifty with a
tow bed said let's get this thing loaded up and
get the hell out of here. You would never agreed more,
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and so we did. Fifteen minutes later we were on
our way out, and boy was I relieved. Each of
us now was riding in a different vehicle. And when
I started to tell the dude I was with everything
that had gone down, he said, you know a lot
of people claim to have seen Bigfoot in Colorado, but
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I've never heard anyone say the things what you're saying
about this type of an attack. It sounds like you
boys are lucky to be alive right now. When we
got back to our destination, one of the fellows said
we more than likely were hit by a bull moose,
and that it was the moose we heard cracking branches
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and grunted. The other dude fired back, saying, that was
no bull moose. I squeezed the trigger on bub. That
was a monster. And that's how it all ended Bill
in the parking lot of this repair shop. It was
one hell of a knight, and I can tell you
that much for sure. But Kevin crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Now, so while this thing slamming into the vehicle, they
didn't get a good look at it, or I know,
I shot.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
They were bs and sitting in the dark with the
headlights on and the heat on and just talking to
each other in the truck surrounded by these pines on
this trail and basically pinched black. And it sounds like
something bum rushed aside of the truck and slammed it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Moly.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, And the one guy's window got blown out, the
driver's door, and the dude in the back, Harold said
he got tossed across and slammed his elbow on the
sheet metal inside of this land rode.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And then they said it was pounding on the roof too, right.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, the other guy saw after the fact, when they
got picked up, he saw what appeared to be too
not appeared to be He saw twos I guess at
the edge of the roof, like something pounded on it,
maybe with two fists.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, those old ones were beasts.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah. Well they were made tough, but they were all aluminum.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Now, some of them were, you right, the Toyota land
the land Rover, I don't think was aluminum. The Toyota
land Rover, land Crews or whatever it was that was aluminum, Okay,
but I don't know if the English one was.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, I don't know, but those are the little I remember.
I'm mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. Whenever they were in Africa,
they were in one of them. Yeah, those were the
British ones.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who knows, man, but the old Defenders. Yeah, the little
square jobs. You know, amazing, man. Can you imagine for
one moment to be sitting in the dark in a
vehicle that something the front end fell out of it.
Like he said, I didn't know if it was a
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top irod or a ball joint, but the front end
just collapsed down onto the wheel and they weren't going anywhere.
You know. Yeah, that's sitting there terrifying. God, I just
can't believe it. So there you have it. Colorado a
right location for bigfoot sidings.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, we definitely know that. The You know, there's a
lot of hairyman sidings in Colorado, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
For sure, and a couple of bogus ones like that
one with the thing was running around when the train
was coming by. Yeah, I mean, come on, people actually
were fooled by that. I said. It looked like a
guy at the Halloween costume jumping around over there, like
posing for the people on the train, you know, yeah, yeah,
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but so again, folks, if you know anything about this
area Yankee Hill Road near Idaho Springs and Colorado, feel
free to chime in. Maybe you four wheel out there
when these guys were wheeling. You know, you never know, Kevi.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
No, no doubt about it. I mean it sounds like
a great place to go have some fun unless you
get stuck there at night. I mean I'm just sitting
there thinking, Okay, I'm drinking beer with my friends, sitting
in a vehicle, lights on, heats on, you know, dark area,
and all of a sudden, whamo, Like, what the heck?
That's got to give you a heart attack?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, I mean, and not knowing what the feeling of helplessness.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, I mean, you can't get more help now here.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
And these guys are they obviously didn't have any guns
with him. I mean, you know, I get it, you're
going out full wheel and not everybody's carrying a weapon around.
But what if, guys, just what if you really need
something I don't know what to carry? Permits are in Colorado.
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If you could have a shotgun in your truck or
a pistol, you know, I talk to a lot of
people where they can carry a gun, but I don't
know anything about.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I don't know sure, but I think it is pretty liberal. Well,
you can carry, especially you know you're out in the wilderness,
because it's for your own safety.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I mean, keV. If I could, I'd have a gun
on me every day. Yeah, you know, just for good measure.
I wouldn't go flashing it around or whatever. I wouldn't
mind having a conceal and carry permit with his shoulder holes,
you know, just under my suit jacket, you know, have
some type of you know, something small, but like a
sixteen inch barrel.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
On I was thinking of a forty four magnum this
he is the most powerful handgun in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, you got to ask yourself, punk, Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Hey? Was it five or was it six? In all
the excitement, I kind of lost count myself. But I'm
willing to pull the trigger again.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I gots to know, I gots to know those Dirty
Harry movies, Dirty Fantastic Man, Harry Callahan. Yeah, absolutely fair.
You remember that diner scene, Oh yeah, in the city
where he goes in and uh the uh the server
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behind the counter obviously is somebody he's seen many times before,
didn't she like overpour his coffee or something like that,
like Noll, she brought the wrong thing out that he
never orders, okay, you know, like in other words, she
knew what he comes in there again, you know, breakfast, special,
over easy, you know whatever, and she puts something else
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in front of him deliberately that she knew he would get,
you know, get why she put it down. So he
lays it. She lays it down, and then he kind
of takes the second glance at the three goons at
the table by the window, and then he just rises
up out of the stool at the counter and blasts
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these three goods. As soon as he stood up, they
tried to get up like they were gonna draw on him,
and he just wasted them all.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I remember you had to meet with the inspector after that,
and they said, County Callahan people have a habit a
diet around you.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Great, great one.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm gonna have to watch that again, dirty Harry.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, Yeah, that's awesome, fantastic awesome. So that was it,
keV Cool.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, I started out talking about fishing in the San
Juan River basin, and guess what I did? My research
on Bigfoot in the San Juan River basin.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
And it turns out that there's quite a bit going
on there for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And I wasn't surprised because they had elk all around there.
I saw some elk. They have cougars like crazy around there.
I didn't see any cougars, but you rarely do. They
have havevelina hogs, the wild wild pigs of the desert
out there, and it's like pretty wooded. You know, it's
a high desert, so you know, not like Phoenix, Arizona.
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Like we were fishing at about sixty five hundred feet
above sea level for example.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Wow, you were up there.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
We were up there and there were you know, big
mesas all around us. So so it just.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Goes to show you keb find the food, find the water,
find the bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
No, And that's exactly it. So, you know, like they
in this research, I was looking at it and seeing
like if it was a realistic place for Bigfoot to
live first, right, and it's it's you know, the San
Juan River also has this forest that follows it all
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along this beautiful fertile valley. And I can tell when
I was driving down there early Wednesday morning, you know,
going down these rural roads, and all of a sudden
you come over the top of this mason and you
see all of these cottonwood trees and pine trees down
in this valley and they're surrounding the river as it
runs all the way through that part of New Mexico
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and Colorado.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Right, And do you think about it, keV. A perfect
place to stalk, a perfect place for wildlife to walk through,
everybody going to the river to drink, just the ideal
location to have a blind to hide and get the
jump on something on a trail, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's kind of like a river highway, you know, that
provides dense cover, water, lots of food. I mean, of course,
you know, we were catching big rainbow trout and big
brown trout. And while we were fishing, we saw these
muskrats that were swimming in the river. And we saw
some river otters too, pretty big river otters.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
So this place was just loaded with water, funning with life.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You know, you know, keV, I've often thought, you know,
we've all seen pictures of lions in Africa, cougars in
trees in Colorado, Idaho and Whatnotuh. And we've seen actual
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movies now in this day and age of some of
these creatures launching an attack from a branch, jumping down
on like a gazelle or an animal. And I've often thought,
why not a bigfoot? What would prohibit a bigfoot from
sitting up on a stout branch and just staying in
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situ until something came under it and then just launching
an aerial attack coming down and just smashing the bejesus
out of whatever it comes down onto.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, I mean be an apex predator move you know.
I look at that a great white sharks. Now they're
figuring out that they generally attack from directly below the prey.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, they come down straight up like a missile, like
a missile. Yeah. This is by the way, By the way, keV,
I don't know if you heard this or that. I
think it was the de Ceo National Oceanic Society or
something has confirmed and reported that the coastal area of
Long Island, New York, New Jersey is confirmed a white
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shalk nursery.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, So on Shark Week, I think it was two
or three years ago, one of the you know standard
groups that they film on that Shalk Week was right
off Montauk. I mean they were, I don't think they
were an eighth of a mile, which is from the
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lighthouse and the North Side Beach where everybody fishes, and
there's all kinds of boats over there, and they were
diving in cages trying to prove or disprove that there
was a nursery there, that white shawks were berthing there.
And they did have little white shawks, you know, four
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or five six foot is so. Yeah. I heard a
report many years ago of some guys that were in
a twenty foot Steiger craft. And by the way, Folksteiger
is a boat manufacturer right here in Belport, Long Island.
They were in a twenty foot Steiger and outside of
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Shinnacock Inlet, which is one of my favorite places to
just hang out and chill, and a white shark came
by their boat that was bigger than the twenty foot.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, well I knew they moved up along that
way because it's the ocean.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well they go pay asked us up to Massachusetts exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We know they hang out up there. But you know
what the turning Point Bill has since I moved away
many years ago, we never had seals and sea lions
and stuff. You guys got a lot of seals now.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, there there is a lot, and they grow
because there's no predation.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, and they love but I mean great white sharks
love seals and sea lions.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah. Well, I was right on the rocks one spring
with Danny and this seal was looking at us, going
along the rocks, sticking his head in the nooks and crannies.
I think it was looking for like crabs and lobsters,
and it kept looking directly at us, no fear at all.
And you can see a couple of times it was
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trying to climb the rocks to come to us. And
I was blown away by that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But we knew you had a couple of burgers in
your pockets.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, a couple of bass.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
From me, one of those cheeseburgers, no mustard.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So anyways, I don't know how I got So go
back to your story.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, So let's go back in time first and we'll
talk about some modern day encounters. So this area, you know,
the San Juan River basin there in northern New Mexico
is part of the Navajo nation and the Navajo definitely
talk about this creature and they have a name for
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it for it called Yeti de cleuei k l u
i I. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing that correctly. But
what's interesting is the Navajo talk about the creature as
being an absolute monster. And you know that these giant
beings bring chaotic forces and prey on humans.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, there you have it, right, And how about the
usage of the word YETI.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I know, but it's in their language, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's a translation that relates
to what we hear from over in Europe.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It does Asia, it does, And I don't know if
it's coincidence or what. Yeah, But what's really interesting though,
is that they talk about it and the quote is
it is evil and does no good.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah. It sounds like something you want to go talk to.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Right, yeah, absolutely, let's go pet it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah. And they had.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Come across some ancient, ancient petroglyphs that depict a furry,
bigfoot like figure and they say that it's distinguished by
having six toes, which I never heard of before. Okay,
pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Right, Yeah. I mean, now the Naysas would say the
guy just was bad at heart, and that was really
his mother in law before she took a shave. Could
be could be, could be six toes.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, But you know the activity there, it's not limited
to ancient folklore. It's thought about as a hotspot for
contemporary sightings. And I didn't know that until I started
researching it. Okay, so I'm going to go through a
couple other sightings here. Excellent, all right. So this woman
named Brenda Harris, she's in a town called Upper Fruitland,
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which is very close to where I was. And this
happened in August two thousand and eight. Okay, she's not
that long ago. No, she's at her home and she's
an Avajo resident of Upper Fruitland. And the incident began
around one am in the morning when her son and nephew,
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who were outside in the yard, ran into the house
claiming to have found something. Harris. Harris went out and
was astonished to find two very large, quasi human looking footprints.
She carefully measured and photographed them, and they were eighteen
inches long four inches wide, and the stride between the
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left and right prince was about four feet.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Now that's interesting too, when we talk about footprints because
that had a good lent to it, but rather than narrow. Yeah,
I mean, I'm looking down at my foot right now,
my foot has to be four inches wide.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, I was going to say three and a half
or so from.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, but I'm wearing a twelve that had an eighteen
with no shoe on it, you know. I mean, that's
a pretty big little bit of a bigfoot too.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And then about a week later later, Brenda had a
follow up en counter. Around ten thirty pm, Harris's sister
was visiting. The dogs began going nuts, but not in
the usual way. They sounded really disturbed. Harris and her
sister went out to investigate. They heard heavy steps coming
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toward them. After hearing the steps again, Harris saw a
shape rise from the gloom. She described it as huge,
very very hairy, long dark hair and no neck. She
noted a pointy head and really wide muscular chest and shoulders.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Kevin, I always say, if you're hearing them, they want
you to hear them, Yeah, because I don't buy into
the fact that anything that lives outside, anything that's a predator,
knows and was created to walk stealthily, because otherwise you'd
be given up you'd never catch anything. Everything would hear
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you coming. Yeah, you know, even the Indians and in
kung fu clinics and whatnot, people perfect walking like in
kung fu and rice paper Yep, you know, without crackling
or crunching, you know, this steady pace. Yeah, heel toe gently,
you know. So it's just for people. It's a matter
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of controlling your muscles, you know. But I'm sure Bigfoot
and other animals in the forest have that God given
ability to move stealthily. Otherwise they, like I said, if
there was no fruit around or anything else to eat,
you just start yep, you know, if you had to stalk.
Try sneaking up on something quietly in the yacht everything
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runs away.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, pretty hard to do, easy to say.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Hard to do. Yeah, try sneaking up on a fat
raccoon that's in your own See what happens. They just
go too God unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So here's here's another one for you. And November twenty
twenty fifty, fifty eight year old Emerson Jim that's his name,
was gathering fire with his family near the summit in
the Chusca Mountains. The encounter occurred in broad daylight around
four point thirty pm. First came the smell, an obnoxious
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stench that Emerson described as overpowering, like a rotting animal.
And then came the sound, a howlers scream that froze
the family dead in their tracks. A deafening silence followed
the scream. As the family began to leave, they heard
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branches breaking us if something heavy was stepping on them.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
The react deliberate.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh yeah, and the reaction was pure, primal fear. He
and his family took off running and have never returned
to that part of the forest.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's Zatuska, right, Yeah, isn't that a national forest?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Could be I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, I think I've heard tail over there of activity
could be wow.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah. And one more for you. Yeah, So this one
I had to cover because this is right along the river.
Jacob Chaves, the owner of a fly fishing guide service,
was on the San Juan River near Blanco, New Mexico
during harvest season. While fishing, he heard a deep, guttural
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howl that was so powerful it was clearly heard over
the sound of the rapids and the birds.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Wow, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
A few minutes later, Chavez heard the creature moving through
the brush upstream and away from him. He never got
a clear look at what made the noise, but he
reported it to the History Channel's Ancient Monster Quest Crew. Wow,
and that was the third time he had experienced such
a phenomena in that area, keV.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
While you were there on that river drift boating, what
was typically flanking the banks tall grass.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Very tall grass and brush, you know, like five or
six feet tall.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, because it's gonna it's gonna grow, typically grow like
gangbusters next to the water. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
No, really tall stuff like you know, because I was
thinking about it, of course while I'm sitting there. So
it could be very easy for a creature to come
out of this grass and reach down to the water,
get a drink of water, go into water and grab
a fish.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Whatever did you did you happen to notice? I know
you're fly fishing, right, you're drifting, you're paying attention to
the surface, but you're looking around. Did you see any
game trail openings as you were drifting a little? Absolutely? Yeah? See,
so they know they know all creatures great and small travel.
You know. I'm going to talk about my friend Rich again. Rich,
(38:54):
God bless you. Bro. Rich sent me a couple of
pictures before off his place up in Idaho, and I
said to him, you know, he's got a couple of
snapshots from one of his game trail cameras of creatures
coming right up his driveway. And I said to him,
you see creatures, bears. There was a bear with a cub,
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a deer, couple of deer. They even thoughiced driveway was
created by men, you know, a dirt driveway that was
bulldozed open with a metal gate on the end of
it that you could walk around in the trees. But
the creatures walk up his driveway. Oh yeah, you know,
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there's woods all over the place, trees. They could go
completely avoid it if they wanted to, but they follow
the open trail. In this case, it's like, you know,
an eight foot wide dirt driveway that leads up to
the house he's building.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, they're creatures of habit, you know. They they like
it could be that that was a bit of a
game trail before he made it into his driveway too,
that's right, I know. I know when I was up
in Alaska, you know, with the big brown bears, like
the guides would tell us like, well, this here is
a trail where the bears walk down all day long,
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and you know, I thought they were teasing me. And
then you walk along a little bit on the trail
and there's a big pile of bear scat.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah no.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
And then we saw like the next day bears walking
down the same trail. It's like they're a little highway.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And you can't blame any
creature for taking the easy way, no. You know, like
even with fish, fish don't waste energy. You know, if
you're fishing in a river and the current's coming at you,
any fly fishermen or me drifting for stripers, I look
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for drop offs, excuse me, I look for a boulder
under the water, a tree hung up snag, and those
fish are gonna set up behind that to save energy
in the current, and they will pop out to grab
something and come to them. That's right, they just do it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Well, that's exactly how we were catching them too, a
little drop off the rocks, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah no, and that guy, the guys in their drift boats,
they know what's going on around now, know that about it?
They put you on it, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So it's good, folks, if you get a chance to
go down there, even if you don't fish. What a
beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, Kevin, so much for the friendly hairy man of
the woods. That stuff really tires me. And that's why
I always say to always carry more gun than you think.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I don't think it's you know, when they describe it
as pure evil too. It also gets to the point
of you know, what, what is Bigfoot? And what could
Bigfoot be? At times?
Speaker 3 (41:56):
You know, yeah, yeah, this nothing sweet and cuddly about it.
And I haven't said it in a while, but my friends,
if you meet up with Bigfoot and walk away, you've
had a really good day. Yeah. Absolutely, And that's my
opinion and I'm sticking to it. Cool. So what do
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we have and I'll listen to mail.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Today, Ken, Yeah, we got some good mail. Thanks folks
for writing in again. Keep the letters coming. We're going
to cover one and that's a bit detailed.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Today.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Bill from Derek in Manitoba, and he says, Bill and Kevin,
thanks for mentioning me. Derek, I'm curious, after all these
years of doing the show, do you think Bigfoot is real?
If so, what do you think it actually is? It's
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multiple choice, he says. One a physical being that evolved
quietly alongside us, which explains the physical footprints that are
often found. Two some kind of dimensional being that's able
to enter and leave our dimension at will, which is
indicated by Bigfoot tracks in the snow just suddenly ending
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for no reason.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Or Three some kind of extraterrestrial being, as many Bigfoot
sightings also involve UFO sidings. Curious what each of you
think after hearing all the stories bill as collected over
the years. So we got a physical being that evolved,
some kind of dimensional being that can you know, go
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in and out of some kind of portal, or some
kind of extraterrestrial being.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, what do you think, keV? You've heard a lot
about this now since we've joined up.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
What do you would you certainly hear all three of those? Derek,
you know, on a repeated basis. You know, I can.
I'm consistent in our hundreds of episodes of podcasts that
I'm a believer in Ockham's Raiser, where you know, Ockham's
are states that the most obvious solution is probably the
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actual solution. So I would go with one, a physical
being that's evolved quietly alongside us, you know. Yeah, But
that said, you know, you didn't give us a choice
of some demonic type creature.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
And I do believe that, you know, I do.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Believe in demonic creatures and demons, and I do believe
that they can manifest themselves in any shape. You know,
and we you know of these red eyes and stuff.
But you know, when you and I know you can
have a stink associated with demons too, But I always
think of that as being more associated with poor, poor cleanliness,
(44:46):
poor well.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Even myself, I haven't showered in twenty one days, so
the microphone is wilting in front of me, but I
don't care. And that's why we do.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
This recording folks six hundred miles away from one another.
And by the way, my windows are shut just in
case that normally breathe has bought. So I go with one,
and with the addition that you know, sometimes there could
be some type of demonic manifestation. But what do you
think bill one or two, the dimensional being that's able
(45:19):
to leave or enter our dimension at will, or three
some kind of extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, my opinion is, and anybody really would know this
that has listened to us for a long time, I
think the UFO phenomena in its entirety, and the bigfoots
that appear to come and go disappear from infrared, all
of that when togoes. You know, all of that stuff
(45:49):
is of the demonic realm in my opinion, and it's
just it's just by design supposed to get on my
in our hearts off of what I believe is the
truth and onto something else, you know, just kind of
make you scatter brained about what's going on on earth.
(46:10):
You know, well maybe this or maybe that, or you know,
maybe aliens planted us. You know, come on, man, I'm
not buying it. You're entitled to buy whatever you want to,
but you're not going to buy it with my money. Yeah. Yeah,
Now I think there's two things going on here, flesh
(46:31):
and blood creature and then demonic activity.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Okay, so you'd go, you're agreeing with me, then you
agree with number one, and then you know one a
some type of demonic thing that can give us choice of.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, we know, demonic activity goes on in all kinds
of ships. Well, look at the Black Eyed Children phenomena.
Where do you think that came from? Folks? I mean,
you know, you think that came down from heaven? They
mean us no harm. You know, they're just good little
kids knocking on your door, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know, Bill? Right now, it's very dark here. Yeah,
and my ring cameras keep going off, and I'd rather
not look at the black eyed children, even if they
just want to borrow the telephone.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
All right, Well, pardon me for a minute while I
grab my double barrel.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
All right, great podcast, Bill, Thanks folks for listening. Give
us a five star review when you get a minute,
and keep those emails coming. We'll keep them anonymous. But
we love hearing from there, even.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
If you just want to say hello, Yeah, folks, and
hit the shop if you can buy a hat, bump
a sticker's shirt, whatever. And remember, if you're four wheeling
in Colorado Yankee Hill Road near Idaho's Springs, or perhaps
(47:57):
you're at the four Corners drift boating and you have
to pull over and enter the wheeze for a little break,
you best remember one thing. My friends always carry more
gun than you think you're going to need.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Sleepnite, Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderella.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Ax.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
You are listening to the Fringe Radio Network. I know
I was gonna tell them, Hey, do you have the
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Radio network. It's safe and you don't have to log
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