Fringe Flashback! INHUMAN: The Next and Final Phase of Man is Here with Tom Horn - The Sheila Zilinsky Show - Fringe Radio Network

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Now Here is your host, Shila Zelensky.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Hello, everyone, and thank you so much for tuning into
the Sila Zelensky Show. A lot of people have been
sending me articles. I've been getting inundated with things about
artificial intelligence. A I and I wrote a complete chapter
breaking this down, talking exclusively about this in my book Technogeddon,

(02:37):
which is a play on technological armageddon and one of
the shows that I think is one of the viewer's choice.
I thought it was such an incredible show, and it's
really to dedicate a mentor who's now passed. But I
think if you have not heard this show, it is
an incredible show. And I'm looking at the date on
this and it is hard to believe that you did

(03:00):
this show exactly to the day ten years ago. And
I thought a lot of people would be very surprised.
We were so ahead of the curve on this show,
and I thought people would be very blessed a long
time mentor and friend, doctor Tom Horn. It was very
hard to find this in the archives. Leave comments and

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let me know how you liked the show. Take a listen,
and you'll be very surprised what we covered. So take
a listen. I'm looking forward to your feedback. My guest
today I heard him years ago on Coast to Coast.
It is one of my favorite gentlemen. What a treat
it is, the renowned doctor Tom Horn. Tom, it is

(03:42):
a pleasure to have you back on.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Hey, Sheila. Always great to be on with you. And
thank you very much for being patient for me to
get off this most recent trip to get back here
so we could do this.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Oh well, trust me, Tom, The honor and pleasures all mine,
and thank you for coming on. Here's where I want
to start. Tom. When I saw a front cover of
a Time magazine article back in twenty eleven. I was
stunned beyond speech and I don't think i've recovered since
the caption. Get this was twenty forty five, the year

(04:15):
man becomes immortal, And as I read through that, I
was completely mortified. I couldn't get this thought out of
my head all day after I read it. We're talking
about the end of man as we know it, And interestingly,
that's what you're Inhuman documentary is. That's the subtitle, the
final phase of man kind. I mean, this is no

(04:36):
longer the stuff of science fiction. This is what we
are calling transhumanism, and it's unfolding before us. Now, Tom,
you just released the very long awaited, highly anticipated film
Inhuman A shocking foray into the realms of the terrifying
is what I like to call it. Tell us about

(04:57):
this film and how you got started on this project.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
And by the way, that Time magazine article you're referring to,
they're going to have to update that because that was Kurzwell,
mister singularity himself, his original predictions or that by twenty
forty five we will have reached technological singularity and immortality
will have mantobot swimming around in my brain a lot
of people now though, are saying that he was too conservative.

(05:21):
Twenty fifteen was a breakthrough year in artificial intelligence, and
now people are thinking that we're not going to have
to wait another thirty years, that within five to ten
years we may reach technological singularity. Now that's only one
aspect of transhumanism. Probably some of the stuff that's even
more important right now are the issues that we included

(05:42):
in the film in Human, the documentary that have to
do with human gene editing technology. If people go to
Google and just type in Chris PERSERISPR, they can read
all about that and why. Just this last week we
actually had leading scientists from around the world that gathered
in Washington, d C. These were scientists from China, Russia,

(06:04):
the United Kingdom, and America all coming together. What were
they doing in Washington, d C. They were talking about
Crisper cast nine, technology that allows for the modification of
humans at the germline level. And we can talk all
about that as we do this program. That's partly what
we deal with in the film in Human. And now

(06:26):
this all started out kind of innocently enough. There's too
much to the story to tell, but basically a decade
or more ago, really kind of at the dawn of
the Internet, when the Internet was really just starting to
put in some of its AI Google like programs that
allow for searching the web. I was actually writing an
article for one of the largest newspapers out of Oklahoma

(06:50):
City and on the subject by the way of Halloween.
So I didn't have anything to do with this other
than the fact that it's scary, right, And I came
across the term. So I'm on the on searching. I
forget what for, but I saw a term. The term
was transgenics, and a decade ago. You know, I had
never heard of this word before. I didn't even know

(07:11):
what they were talking about, except that in my mind
I could kind of put it together. Trans genics. We
are somehow here talking about the blending of different kind
of species. We're talking about crossing over species barriers, combining
one kind of a creation with another kind of a
creation in ways that if you're an evolutionist, this was

(07:32):
not allowed for by Darwinian evolution, or if you're a
religious person, this was not allowed for by creation or God.
So we were doing something here unnatural. So I wanted
to follow up on it, so I wrote my article
for the Oklahoma newspaper, and then I really started researching
this term transgenics and early on some of the successes
NASA created. You know, remember all the stories about the

(07:55):
spider goat. That was one of their early transgenic creations
where they took a goat and combined its genetic makeup
with the DNA of a spider in order to create
silk inside the milk of a goat. So that's what
they were doing, and I wanted to know more. Well,
I wrote some editorials to make a long story short
that kind of went viral on the Internet at that time,

(08:16):
where I was raising concerns about the uses of genetics
to make modifications to any species, including god forbid, eventually
humans that would be unnatural, combining humans with animal DNA
for instance. And boy, all of a sudden, Sheila, I
was being attacked by the top transhumanists in the world.

(08:36):
They were just coming out of the woodwork, Guys like
James Hughes who was the original founder of the World
Transhumanists Association, Max Moore, who is considered today to be
the father of modern transhumanism. These guys at their conferences
and stuff, they were using Tom Horn as cannon fodder,
talking about how I represented kind of a dangerous segment

(08:57):
of society and I was anti progressive lou diem against technology,
blah blah blah. It eventually ratcheted up until there was
a university level paper that had been written by people
that had wrote grants to the NIH, the National Institute
of Health, which is, you know, is the largest department
in the US government that doles out taxpayer funded revenue
for health related science and research. And they they had

(09:20):
written for a grant, they got the grant, they had
written some of the language that they hoped would eventually
be used to frame how we are going to modify
humans in the future, how we're going to use technology
via transhumanist aspirations to create a new form of human
While I was critical of that NIH report, and man,
all of a sudden, now I'm being attacked by guys

(09:41):
that are writing for the US government. They went over
onto the iee T, which is the Institute for Ethics
and Emerging Technologies, which is today probably the number one
transhumanist blog site in the world, and they're over there
writing articles about Tom Horyne. They're comparing me to the
unibomber that I'm going to get a lot of people
killed because I'm standing in the way of this technology.

(10:05):
She I thought, you know what, I'm going to reach
out to these people. I'm going to say, look, there's
enough people out there today that are becoming hostile. Instead,
let me reach across the aisle and say, look, you're
never going to convince me of your worldview. I'm probably
never going to convince you of mine. But would you
be willing to go on film? Because I think if

(10:26):
you're willing to just go on film and you know,
state the facts, the world can judge for itself. Well,
that's how this kind of started. So I started traveling
across the nation, and I wound up interviewing James Hughes.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
He and I spent a.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Whole day together at the university where he is a
professor and where he teaches. I wound up traveling to
Stanford University on the other end of the spectrum, where
I got a bioconservative by the name of William Hurlbut,
who is a current member of the US President's Council
on Bioethics from Stanford to give me the conservative point
of view. And so what happened was doors started opening.

(11:04):
We wound up with the world's leading transhumanists, guys like Hughes,
but many others. We got Hugo Degaris, who's a famous
transhumanist who wrote a book called The Art elect War,
but who spent the majority of his adult life he
retired last year, but the majority of his adult life
working for China, running actually their artificial brain development center

(11:25):
at Zion University in China. He is excited about the
fact that we're on the cusps of creating strong artificial intelligence.
But the downside, he says, is going to lead to
a war that will produce giga dead, meaning billions of
people are going to die as a result of these
strong artificial intelligences coming online. He's in our film. We

(11:50):
wound up with other conservatives, and then what we did
was we took the world's leading transhumanists. By the way,
it's not all male dominated. We also had a Natasha Eatmore.
The New York Times refers to her as the world's
first true female transhumanist philosopher, really well known. She's in
the film too. So we have the world's leading transhumanists

(12:11):
on the other end of the spectrum. We have members
of the US President's Council on Bioethics taking the conservative approach.
Then what we did and nothing like this documentary. The
documentary is called Inhuman, nothing like it's ever been produced before,
because we have the world's leaders on both sides of
the issues. But then right in the middle of this,
we also went and God who we believe to be

(12:33):
the world's most respected Bible scholars, and we asked them
a lot of questions about the ethics of altering what
it means to be a human, but also we asked
them if they thought there might be something prophetic. In
other words, is this Matthew twenty four to thirty seven,
Is this Jesus saying as it was in the days
of Noah, social would also be in the coming of

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the Son of Man? Is that what we're talking about now?
And so nothing like this documentary has ever been produced before.
It's a three hour docums and then there's a two
hundred and seventy page teacher's guide in there that breaks
down the books and the film into thirteen weeks. If
there's people that do home studies, Bible studies, churches or
whatever that want to actually take the documentary and use

(13:14):
it to teach thirteen weeks to kind of our hope
is that churches will get involved in this conversation because
if they don't, well, then we're leaving it to the
pro transhumanist to define the language, which right now is
at the level of scientists from around the world coming
to Washington, DC hoping to put out some kind of

(13:34):
regulatory information by the spring of twenty and sixteen. Because
the technology is here. So when they, like you said,
this is no longer sci fi. The technology is actually
here now. So this is the time. If conservative Christians
and other people of faith are going to get involved
in this conversation, they need to get a quick education

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and do it now before the language is written by
those that are all in favor.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, tom as you were talking about transgenics, I mean
we really have arrived at that time spoken about by
Jesus Christ, as you said, as it was in the
days of Noah social also the coming of the Sunaman
b the flood came because this whole earth had degenerated
into a zoo, this morphology of corruption. Similarly, today we

(14:22):
have this very intense cross pollination between the biotech, the
nanotech altering the genome, altering the frequencies of DNA. The
Bible really is about protecting the human genome. China creating
the first genetically engineered embryo. We see Isaiah seeing something transgenic.
Like you talked about the goat animal. Even the London

(14:44):
Daily talked about a hybrid camera. We see these animal
human chimeras. Is there Tom, a diabolical attempt? Do you
think to genetically engineer chimera hybrids? This part human, part animal,
even possessed by evil spirits? Is this the insidious parts?

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I know that people listening to this program if I
tell you, yes, that's happening in laboratories around the world.
Now we're not just talking about at the embryonic level,
but literal islands of doctor Moreau. There will be some
people out there that will believe it. And what's ironic
is the people that believe it are also the people
that are scientists, the ones that are actually involved in
the technology. They're the ones that know that it's true. Others, though,

(15:25):
because of the way the media spends information and news,
they're going to say, oh, that's just a conspiracy serial
all that's really not happening. And here's what I would
tell you there is major reasons to believe that we
have fully mature let's just call them monstrosities that are
being engineered for studied purposes that have to do with

(15:46):
future military battlefields and so on. By the way, DARPA,
this year's presidentially approved DARPA budget has tens of millions
of dollars in it set aside for creating a new
blueprint of the human genetic code for soldier tat. This
is in the publicly acknowledged presidentially approved budget. So we're
not talking about sci fi here, the technologies here, it's

(16:10):
being used.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
If they're admitting to you then their publicly acknowledged budgets
that they want to create a new blueprint for the
human to alter our genotype, then imagine what they've been
doing for a very long time. And here's what I
would say. And I would say this. If there's attorneys,
legal minded individuals listening to this program, think about this.
In law. You know there's an investigation, there's a research principle,

(16:33):
and it's called a presumption of facts. Now, every attorney
out there automatically now is tracking with me. They know
exactly where I'm going. Consumption of facts is an argument
of proof through inference to the existence of a fact
but that's not certainly known, but about which the existence
of a lot of other facts that are known and

(16:54):
proved point to, and therefore it's in the law. They say,
it's grounded on circumstance or probable evidence that therefore entitles
certain presumed facts to be believed based on numerous other
corroborat evidence. Now, first of all, for the lay people
listening to the show, that's an established methodology in courts

(17:15):
of law all over the world for drawing conclusions that
are held up in courts of law all the time,
as well as war college, battlefield decisions and so on,
where there is an abundance of evidence that is so
clear that reasonable minds a jury, if you will, can
safely assume that the preponderance of evidence has left no
space for reasonable doubts.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
In other words, though.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Tom Horne might not have a secret camera video footage
of a part human, part animal, it is more likely
than not to be factual. Why. Number one, because the
science exists and it's overly naive to therefore believe that
nobody anywhere is experimenting with it. Number two, Governments including
the United States, have a proven track record of always

(17:56):
experimenting with exotic science right the Manhattan prit in top
secret above top secret projects, which quite frankly, they believe
they have to do in order to keep their competitors
or their enemies from getting ahead of them in the technology.
And then number three, we really don't even have to
doubt because the leaders of national laboratories, global policy think

(18:18):
tanks are admitting that the research is happening. The one
hundred and sixty page report from the Academy of Medical
Sciences out of the United Kingdom, that's the same scientists
that we're in Washington, DC this week meeting with our scientists.
But read their report that they've published some months ago,
now called ACCHM, which is an acronym which means animals
containing human material. And in that report they talk about

(18:42):
how they believe that there are thousands and thousands of
animals containing human material that have been raised to full maturity,
and that this is happening in laboratories all over the world.
And if you read just the summary of the report,
just the summary covers these points. Number One, they believe
that there is extensive modification of the blames of animals

(19:04):
by implantation of human derived cells that might result I'm
actually reading this from the summary, might result in altered
cognitive capacity, approaching human consciousness, scynthients, and human like behavioral capabilities. Sheila,
Now we're talking about eggs, sperm and where listen, where
fertilization between humans and animal gamuts might occur. I mean,

(19:26):
we're literally now talking about animals that can conceive from
human sperm and give birth to part human part animals.
And then number three in the summary, it's a cellular
or genetic modifications that could result in animals with aspects
of human like appearance, skin type, limb, facial structure, characteristics

(19:47):
such as speech. In other words, we're talking, literally, Sheila.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
About the days of Noah.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
This is what happened in the ancient times when the
watchers who worked with God in creation came down to
the earth. They couldn't do what God did, and that
they couldn't speak and order that out of chaos, out
of randomness, molecular or atomic structures would come together so
that he would say, let there be and then it
would do whatever he told it to do. They couldn't

(20:16):
do that, but they could definitely do what our scientists
now today can do. They could take existing biological matter
and reconstructed in chimeric fashions, and that's what they did,
and they created a biological construct that we call nepheline,
into which they extended themselves, and it came under judgment.
And you said that it led to the flood, You're right.
In the Book of Genesis, that's what it says. All flesh,

(20:37):
both man and beast, had been corrupted. And it says
of Noah, he was the only man left.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Who was perfect. That's the Hebrew.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Word tanyum, which implies that his DNA had not yet
been corrupted through intermarriage and therefore by extension his children.
And so God ordered the destruction of all life on earth,
both man and beast, and then we started over again.
But Jesus said, what was going on in the days
of Noah, that's what's going to be going on in

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the end times when he returns. And now, for the
first time since the time of the Great Flood, men
have intentionally set about to cross over the species barriers.
We're already producing genetically modified crops, transgenic animals, genetically modified humans.
At the embryonic level have been admitted to for over
a decade, and now you have leading scientists that are saying,

(21:28):
we suspect that in thousands and thousands of laboratories around
the world, we are building islands of doctor Moreau. It's
in darfu's presidential twenty fifteen and in the upcoming twenty
sixteen budget to do so. So now there have been
some game changers we can talk about, and this is
the one that everybody's hearing about right now. In twenty twelve,

(21:50):
US researchers published how they had developed a high precision
gene editing tool called Crisper Cast nine. I would invite
people again go to Google just type in CRSPR and
cast nine is the one cast that they talk about
the most. This has opened up whole new realms of
genetic engineering. Now, by the end of twenty fourteen, last year,

(22:13):
researchers at Harvard had used Chrisper technology to develop what
they call a gene drive. And I'll explain in a
moment why that's important. A gene driving yeast that became
inherited ninety nine percent of the time. Now, what do
we mean by gene drive? If you're a Darwinian evolutionist,
and you believe in natural selection, you'd think that this

(22:34):
is what governs the inheritance of genes. If you have
a parent that has let's say, the gene that can
give rise to diabetes, you have a fifty percent chance
of inheriting that gene. Now, through gene drive technology, what
they do is they create dominant genes that become heritable
basically one hundred percent of the time, greater than ninety

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nine percent of the time instead of fifty time. Why
is that important, Well, because you could use that technology
to literally drive into existence a new form of human
because those that genetic makeup becomes one hundred percent inherible
time after time. And by doing that, you literally, that's
why it's called gene drive, You drive into existence a

(23:18):
new form of that specie. Meanwhile, you're also driving out
of existence the former version of that specie. Now, in
order to show a proof of concept, in March of
this year, there was a research group at the University
of California, San Diego, and again this can be googled
and people can read this for themselves. They created a
gene drive to work in fruit flies. So now we're

(23:40):
talking about a much more complex organism than yees. Fruit
Flies a living thing, and all they did their experiment
was simple. They just wanted to change the color of
the fruit flies from black to I forget that it
was blue or red, but color. And so they created
the genetics in the fruit flies to do that, and
then they kept them in this controlled environment and literally
over all of the fruit flies that were being born

(24:03):
were all being born with this new color and instantly
drove into extinction all previous versions of that fruit fly.
Now why is that important? Because this proves that we
now have a technology that would allow once again for
what happened in the days of Noah, the creation of
a new dominant form of Specie and gene drive and
Crisper cast nine technology can be used to manipulate the

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genetics of any living thing, but in particular any creation
that uses egg or sperm to procreate. So all animals,
all humans, can be modified using Crisper cast nine technology.
And if you also apply gene drive technology, you can
make modifications to the human which will then be driven

(24:47):
in to all downline. But we're talking about germline genetic
modification that specie would replace all previous versions of that specie. Downline,
this would be a way to create a new form
of human that would replace all existing forms of human
into the future. And that's the reason, by the way,
that this technology now is ninety nine percent success rate.

(25:10):
They're saying that within another year, by the end of
twenty sixteen, chrispher cast nine technology will be perfected to
the point that you can basically you can just copy
paste any new form of a living entity that you want,
and it's going to wipe out all previous forms of
that species. So we are talking about a world changing,
species altering, environmental altering global technology. Now the technology is

(25:38):
such that it not only could do good meaning that
and I do think, by the way, that there could
be some real good things that come out of Crisper
type technology. We could use gene therapy for creating a
treatment for cancer that not only cures cancer, but that
assures that it's a permanent cure. That downline, everybody born

(26:00):
to those individuals would never even be susceptible to cancer
if you could do that without modifying what it means
to be a human. So now we're not talking about
a part human, part animal. We're not talking about some
other thing that I, as an evangelical Christian, would have
real problems with. We're talking about gene therapy. We're just
talking about therapy. It's in other words, it's a super advanced,
much better way of doing what we already do, what

(26:23):
we already do, you know, using the treatments to try
to kill cancer cells. The problem though, is that what
can be used for good can also be used for evil,
and gene drive could also be used to build, for instance,
a terrifying bioweapon. A terrost would not need to create
vast amounts of a lethal virus to unleash on the

(26:44):
world if they can just take a handful of mosquitoes
and with a gene for making a toxin and power
it with a gene drive and release them into the
floor at the keys. Within six months, you could have
mosquitos propagating across the United States and then around the
world that have in a toxin that would be lethal
to humanity. And by the time the CDC and other

(27:06):
agencies of our governments caught up with the fact that
you have a new form of flu or whatever they
would be calling it, you could have tens of millions,
if not hundreds of millions of people around the world
dead as a result of this technology. Now let me
tell you the reason that this is especially scary. I
have in my possession right now a gene knockout Christopher
cast nine kit. And if Tom Horn can get this kit,

(27:30):
you better believe the terrorist communities can get it and
they can use it for gene drive technology. And oh,
by the way, Sheila, people knew that all these scientists
were meeting in Washington, DC last week, but they had
no idea the level at which these scientists are concerned.
And I had said at SkyWatch TV that I expected

(27:50):
that they were going to call for a universal moratorium
on the use of the science. And I had said,
it won't make any difference because two things. Number One,
road nations aren't going to pay no attention to our
call for a universal mora term. They're going to use
the science that they want to. But secondly, there's a
proven track record in the United States, Britain and other
Western countries that we too, Well we're signatories of the moratorium,

(28:14):
we'll say we're putting a moratorium on it, and then
we just go into you know, saypuck type budgets beyond
congressional review, and we develop the science anyway. Why Well,
because our experience tells us that we have to develop
the technology if for no other reason than to be
able to counteract it, if you know, enemies or competitors
try to use the technology against us. So what I

(28:37):
find interesting is that the very scientists in Washington, d C.
Last week, we're referring to this as a Pandora's box.
That was their language, actually calling this a Pandora's box,
and they're saying there is no way to put the
genie back in the bottle. Now, the technology does exist.
So where we are I think at a time where

(28:57):
prophecy is in fact being fulfilled and it's only about
probably the mercy of God that we haven't yet seen
this technology used in catastrophic ways.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, you're right, because when you look at this eclectic
missmash of the who's who are the new world mad
scientists you know, creating these animal human cameras and then
DARPA projects these things aren't human And it's just like
what you just said, at what point does it mean
that we're not even human anymore? It's frightening. And then
earlier you mentioned Ray Kurzwell, who's of course emerged as

(29:29):
the major spokesperson for the transhumanist movement, Mister Singularity. He's
credited with saying, consider how often you update the software
on your computers. Yet the software on our bodies, they
haven't been updated for millennia and it's now obsolete. So
humans fundamentally have these design flaws and damage design. I mean, transhumanism,

(29:51):
as you'll agree, Tom, views sickness and aging is unnecessary
hindrances that we have the right and the responsibility to
overcome because a we're just too frail, too fat, too slow,
too dumb. I mean our body's computers do for an upgrade.
That's frightening that Christians support this as well, Tom, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
There is, actually there's a growing Christian transhumanist movement. We
deal with all of this stuff in the film in Human,
the fact that bio enhanced humans with Ray Kurzwell, you
were talking about his whole thing about cognitive abilities are
going to be enhanced. They're going to nanobots froming around
our body making molecular repairs.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Look, I do.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Believe that we are entering into what even the technologists
are calling the hybrid age. And by that what they
mean again, go to Google type and hybrid age. You
see where technologists and we're talking about MIT level technologists, futurists,
Oxford University professors, high level university professors saying we're now
entering in to the hybrid age. And what they mean

(30:51):
by that is exactly what it sounds like. They're saying that,
especially in Western countries, if the first wave was agrarian
and triable, the second wave was industrial and national, the
third was informational and transnationally gave birth to the Internet,
that we're now entering into the fourth wave, the hybrid age,
and by that they mean that in this new era,

(31:13):
human evolution is going to become human technology co evolution.
We're going to become part of the machine ali Ay
Kurzwell's vision of the future, the machine's going to become
part of us. But we're also going to modify ourselves
at the genetics level in order to accommodate our integration
with becoming the board.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Is that all just sci fi?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Now, we're actually already doing it. We've created in terms
of pharmaceuticals, we've created legs, artificial legs, artificial arms now
that are being controlled by brain wave by thought alone.
So the technology already is happening, and to the extent
that we could help a war veteran that comes back
from the battlefield that lost his legs in battle get

(31:57):
a new leg that he can control with his brain.
All of out that as long as again we're not
talking about literally creating the boorg brain chip interfacing that
also then allows the government to somehow interface to control
to monitor our brain with. So there's a very thin
line here that becomes concerning the difference between a new

(32:20):
modern form of a wheelchair that actually really helps somebody
that's been damaged to be able to get around and
do better. I'm all for integration with surveillance systems and
data mining systems. I'm not for or take it to
the genetics level a new form of therapy. I mean,
every time you take an aspirin, you're trying to affect

(32:40):
your genetics. You're trying to do something that is therapeutic.
And Christians have been at the forefront of this effort
long before the transhumanist community ever even had an identity.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Or a name.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
We built all the great hospitals, We took the commission
of Jesus christ to be healers. We took that very seriously.
We've been out there feeding the hungry and helping the
poor and healing the sick and tending to the wounded.
That is an ethos that is important to our Christian
world view. But we also believe in the divine order,
meaning that it was God who created everything before the fall,

(33:15):
and he ordered that each kind reproduce only after its
own kind. And this becomes a real problem with the transhumanists.
You'll see some of them and Natasha Vtamor in our
documentary film talking about how she's looking forward to the
day when she can create a system that will allow
her to take on serpentine like quality. She wants her

(33:35):
skin to glow, you know, and to change like a
mood ring, and all these stuff that you know people
are going to watch that they're going to go. These
people are out of their ever loving mind, and yet
they're not because the technology to do it is actually
here and we are now starting down this road toward Well,
you mentioned the Chinese. The Chinese were only one of

(33:56):
the first ones to admit that they're using Chrisper cast
nine technology to modify humans at the germline level. At
the genetic level. And they say that after they did
their experiments, then they destroyed those embryos. I don't know
whether they did or didn't. I'll just take their word,
you know, for what they say. But the bottom line is,
if there are others that are doing the same thing,

(34:18):
if there are others that are raising these maturity, then
those genetically modified humans breeding with non genetically modified humans
with gene drive technology are going to be permanently altering
everything borne downline. This sounds exactly like what the watchers did,
doesn't it what the methylene did that ultimately led to
the FIAT of the Great Flood. But it's happening now.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I'll tell you something that also really concerns me. Well,
two things. The Chinese did these tests editing with embryos
using crisper, reported a high success ratio. Well, in their mind,
that's a wonderful thing. But in the mind of a
conservative biothesis, they just crossed over a line that ethicists
have been concerned about for many, many years called germline

(35:02):
genetic engineering. Why because germline genetic engineering actually has the
potential to achieve the goals of the early eugenics movement,
and if you recall, eugenics was the idea that we're
going to create superior humans via improving their genetics through
selective breeding. So this was being done in the United
States early in our history, but all the way up
until nineteen seventy there were laws in some states still

(35:24):
in the books that would allow them to sperilize individuals
that they thought we're not qualified to have babies. So,
I mean it's been around even in the recent years. Hitler,
of course took it to the highest level, who thought
that through genetically selecting individuals to be born from people
that they considered their bloodlines to be the best, we're
going to you know, we're going to create the area
in super race. Well, now, through genetically modifying human genes

(35:47):
in very early embryos, sperm and eggs, germline engineering has
the power to accomplish what Hitler set out to actually
reassemble the very nature of humanity. It stiman altering an
umbils every cell, leading to inheritable modifications that would extend
all succeeding generations. And there are very intelligent people that

(36:08):
actually support doing that. If people google doctor Gregory Stock,
he's a leading respected proponent of germline technology. He believes
that we can choose now to transcend our existing biological
imitations like Kurzwell was talking about, and we're going to
do it through germline engineering. And his whole argument is
that we can make better humans by adding new genes

(36:30):
to their DNA, then we should. And he frankly argues
in a way that really appeals to the average individual,
the man on the street, to transhumanists, to secularists, because
he says, there's no way we've spent billions and billions
of dollars to unravel our biology. We didn't do it

(36:51):
out of idle curiosity. We did it in the hopes
of bettering our lives. And now that we have the technology,
we're not going to turn away from it. And he's right,
we're not. But here's the here's the thing, Sheila, that
most of these technologists don't understand, is that there is
also a spiritual, supernatural aspect of who we are and
what we are as humans. It makes us different than

(37:12):
a tree, it makes us different than other things that
could be genetically modified, and according to scripture and according
to really religious philosophers down through the eons, our peculiar.
Particular genetic design is also connected to our supernatural relationship
with God. God made it, and God's breathed into humanity

(37:37):
the breath of life, and he made us a fit
extension for habitation by the Holy Spirit. Now, what we
found and I kind of already knew this existed, but
I was astonished at the level at which exists. What
we found when traveling across the country over the last
five years making the Inhuman documentary is that there's also
a lot of transhumanists who either believed then or are suspicious,

(38:02):
that there is an unseen reality around us. You and
I would say the angelic realm, the supernatural realm. They
believe that there is an unseen reality around us, and
they are very interested in getting in contact with it. Now,
not all transhumanists, some of them are completely atheist, secularists, whatever,
but a lot of them have a spiritual side, but
it's not Bible based, and so like one of the

(38:25):
transhumanists that we deal with is Nick Bostrom. He's the
Future of Humanity Institute professor and a philosophy professor at
Oxford University. Actually wrote how he earned his prestigious seat
at Oxford University, but was by writing a thesis called
Transhumanist Values. He's a leading advocate of transhumanism. Interestingly, in

(38:47):
recent days he also has developed a second side of
him that almost sounds more like Tom Horn in which
he's saying he's saying he's a leading advocate of transhumanism. However,
he also believed it might lead to the end of
the world. It's an existential risk. But what makes him
different is that he actually envisions remanufacturing humans, which we're

(39:08):
already doing now. We're doing this in laboratories around the world.
The ACHM report by the Academy of Medical Sciences out
of Britain, which is equivalent to our FDA here in
the United States, says that they think there's laboratories all
over the world that are doing this now to full maturity,
not just at the embryonic level. They're actually growing part human,
part animal monstrosities in laboratory settings. Well, Bostrom believes that

(39:34):
that is going to allow us to make contact with
the other side. If you go to his website Nick
Bostrom dot com, scroll down and find his original feces
which he has published online. It's called Transhumanist Values, and
read it and look at how he talks about how
future humans we're going to combine our genetic makeup with animals, plants,
synthetic life forms, all that. And what he talks about

(39:57):
over there is how in the animals ca Kingdom, some
animals have sonar, they have magnetic orientation, they have sensors
for electricity and vibration, they have these extra human abilities.
He talks about how they have a range of sensory
modalities where they can see into areas of the light
spectrum that we can't see into. And he talks about

(40:18):
how the transhuman forms of mankind in the future are
not going to have limits to our range modalities like
we do now five what people call our five senses,
you know, taste, ce, smell. We're going to add things
to those sensory modalities infrared, ability, radiation, sonar like bats

(40:41):
used for navigation, are infrared like snakes use for seeing.
We're going to we're going to connect that to our
makeup and be able to see into other realms and
other realities. Well, here's what I want people to know.
Nick Bostrom's absolutely correct in that the animal kingdom does
have levels of perception that are way beyond human animals.
Can they can sense earthquakes? We say they can smell tumors.

(41:04):
We don't know if that's really what they're doing, but
some dogs are sensitive to when people have cancer. Dogs
can hear it. Forty thousand herds, dolphins of eighty thousand herds,
that sort of thing. But we also believe that animals
see wave links into a realm that you and I might.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Call the spirit world.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Remember the story of Baylamb's donkey in the Book of Numbers,
and Baylamb has done something God told him not to do,
and he's prop set against Israel. He's fleeing for his life,
and he's on a donkey, and the donkey keeps turning
off the path that he's on it. He keeps beating
the donkey, trying to get it back on the path.
But what he can't see is the reason the donkey's

(41:43):
turning off the path is the donkey can see ahead
in the pathway is a giant angel with a sword
drawn going to take off dumb Baylamb's head. So you
have a biblical precedent for suggesting that some animals can
see into what you and I would call the supernatural. Realm,
and transhumanists have a significant interest in combining our genetic

(42:06):
makeup with the animal kingdom in order to be able
to see into those other realms. That was a famous
transhumanist that died a couple of years ago, Terence McKennon,
who is actually the originator of what's called novelty theory,
and people can google that and read about it. But
he was a guy that would go around the world
into Africa in different places and use these mind expanding

(42:27):
drugs that the shaman were using to put himself into
contact with the other side, and he believed that he
was consistently being put in contact with entities that were
every time he went into these altered state of minds,
these entities were the same and otherwise he didn't. He
came to believe that these were not just illusions from
psychoactive drugs, but rather that it was opening a gateway

(42:51):
in his brain to allow him to perceive other realities.
And he believed that following technological singularity, we were going
to be able to would have the technology to be
able to enhance our brain matter in order to constantly
have like a stable platform to be in constant contact
with the other side. Well, around the time that he

(43:12):
was writing about that, Arizona State University, where the Templeton
Foundation had been funding a whole series of mostly pro
transhumanist lectures title Facing the Challenges of Transhumanism, Religion, Science
and Technology. They're still doing that. Some of the instructors
around that time said they believed that radical alteration of
mankind might open a door to unseen intelligence, and so consequently,

(43:35):
in two thousand and nine, Arizona State University launched a
new study called the Sofia Project for the express purpose
of confirming and then perhaps putting ourselves into contact with
and they described what they wanted to get in contact with,
quote deceased people, spirit guides, angels, other worldly entities, extraterrestrials,

(43:59):
and or a U, universal intelligence or God. So they
wanted to put themselves in contact with what you and
I would call the supernatural realm. Now, when they did that,
I went on national television was talking about it. They
pulled the Sofia web page from Arizona State University because

(44:19):
they were getting so much feedback as a result of
me doing a national television program on it, Big Time Television.
But you can still go in and find the cachet
in Google. I don't know about Yahoo, but you can
do it in Google where you can see the web
page up there for the Sofia project. But the whole
point is imagine them, and we do in the documentary
in Human Imagine what this might mean if you have

(44:42):
government laboratories with unlimited budgets that have been working beyond
congressional review for the last twenty years, in which they're
trying to decode gene functions that lead animals to have
these what we would call preternatural capabilities of sense and
smell in sight. If they were doing that and then
blearn me that with Homo sapiens, well, we believe that
original man Eve wasn't surprised that the nakash was in

(45:07):
the garden, the serpent in the garden because Adam and
Eve in their original unfallen state could see into what
we call the supernatural realm Adam and Eve could speak
to the animals and they would do what they told
them to do. After the fall, Adam becomes a mon
man of rare Earth, and different biophonetic marks that were
previously attached to his name that suggests that he had

(45:30):
godlike abilities of speech and sound. A speech and eyesight
are removed from Adam, he becomes something different, He becomes
what we are today. Suggesting that there are portions of
our brain we know that we don't use the majority
of our brain. Portions of the brain are closed off. Well,
what these modern spiritually inclined transhumanists and scientists believe is

(45:53):
that maybe, just maybe there are portions of the brain
and if they could be reactivated.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
But I think, as you call them, these so called
spiritually inclined people, you're talking about their form of spirituality,
the spirits they're seeking to tap into, maybe something beside God.
So they may be in for quite a surprise, Tom,
when they try to unleash what's on the other side
of that veil. Now, speaking of the other side of

(46:19):
that veil, I want you to tell the listeners about
an incredible situation with your mother recently.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Tom, Yeah, I mean this. It was a shocker. My
sister calls me one day, who takes care of my mother,
lives with her and takes care of her. My sister
has health issues. Mom's freaking out on the phone. I
almost couldn't even put together exactly what they were talking about.
But because I've already had a trip to Arizona planned.
I just decided to go down there, I told him,

(46:47):
just so I'll be there. I'm getting there as quick
as I can. Well, what I found out when I
got there is my mom, who's nearly ninety years old. Now,
what happened was she had started seeing red spots in
her right eye. So she goes to the doctor.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
She's seeing these.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Spots in his eye. Can't get rid of him, and
the doctor tells her that he wants to try a
new experimental eye drop. So she signs the paperwork that
gives him permission to do it, and he tells her
he says, now this is going to burn like fire
for a few minutes, But then he said, I think
it'll fix a problem. So he puts the eye drops
in her eye, covers her eye with a gauze and

(47:25):
a patch, and he tells her not to remove the
patch until the following day. Sure enough, she says, it
does burn like fire for a couple of hours, then eventually.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
It stops hurting.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
She's got the patch on her eye.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
She goes home.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
The next day, she removes the pat and sheila she's
nearly knocked out of her wheelchair. Why because she can
see people. She called them strange looking people that are
standing and walking through her house. She says, this is
not like a dream. This is not like some gray

(47:56):
nisty you can't quite make out, and so your brain's
doing that trick to do with clouds where you can
see faces in the clouds.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
This is not like that. This is vivid. This is
three dimensional.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
They are literally walking through her house. She covers the
bad eye and she doesn't see anything with the other eye.
The left eye covers up the left eye and opens
the right eye, and these beings are walking through her house.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
It's the reason they call me is because all of
a sudden, these entities that are walking through her house,
they notice that she can see them. She's looking at him.
They notice, she can say now, they stop and they
start walking over by her, and they're looking at her
as if they are cognitively recognizing that she can see

(48:37):
these entities. That completely freaks her out. She closes her eye,
but she knows they're there. She puts the patch back
on her eye, but she knows they're there. Freaking out,
calls me, can't get a hold of me. By the
way because I was on a trip. They didn't get
a hold of me for several days. Takes the patch
back off, starts praying. My mom's very religious and Abe
Lincoln honest and starts praying, and all of a suddenly

(48:59):
she's she says, this really young beautiful man walks into
the room. He looks like he might be twenty five
years old or something. Walks into the room and sits
down on the couch next her. She's in a wheelchair
that's backed up by the couch. Sits on the couch
next to her, and somehow she knows everything's okay. She
don't even know how she knows it, but she senses it.

(49:20):
Everything's okay. There's no danger here, nothing can touch me,
nothing can happen. Still wants to talk to me about it,
but now she's.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Not freaked out.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
And for nine days, this young beautiful man, as she
describes him, sits right next to her while these beings
are walking back and forth through her house. And on
the eighth day they start getting a little bit hazy.
On the ninth day, she can hardly detect that they're
even there any longer, and by that evening she goes

(49:48):
to sleep when she wakes up the next day, they're gone.
She hasn't seen them again. The big question though, and
as you know, I talked about this on another national
television program ten days ago or so. Guess what, Sheila,
I talked about that on that program. I got contacted
by probably a dozen or so people that actually work

(50:08):
in the medical field. Two of them were doctors, one
of them was an RN and others that just say
they work in nursing and whatever, and all of them saying, Tom,
the situation with your mom is real. They said, this
experimental drug is being used right now, and we are
getting similar reports that sound exactly like what your mom
experience that are coming in now from all over the nation. Well,

(50:32):
the question, Sheila, is what in the world kind of
an eye drop could be being tested right now that
appears to be allowing people to see into what you
and I would call the supernatural realm. Is it just
a fluke, is it a mistake? What's going on? I
wanted to know. And as you know, you know SkyWatch

(50:52):
Television we have on staff full time Sharon Gilbert, who
is a molecular biologist. I sent it to her, I said, Charon,
I said, we're in a world. Do you think what's
going on here? I mean, Mom absolutely would never make
something up, so I'm not telling a lie. And now
it's being confirmed. What do you thinks going on? And
Sharon emailed me back and she said, Tom, ophtalmologists are

(51:15):
dealing with this right now, and they're saying that these
so called visions or whatever.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
She said.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
They're calling this Charles Bennett syndrome, and they're saying that
it's a manifestation of the brain's reaction to sensory deprivation,
the eye being occluded artificially by covering or physiologically through
disease whatever. She says, Tom, it's a bunch of scientific
clap trap. It's a lie. They're trying to simply explain
experiences to their patients and tell them that there's nothing

(51:44):
happening here that's beyond physical reality. This is kind of
like phantom limbs sensations when an individual loses an arm
and they still fuel the arm blah blah blah. But
it's going on for eyes. She said, Tom, I suspect
your mom saw into the spirit realm for res I
don't understand. You don't understand. And then she goes on
to this big, long email about how it's well timed

(52:06):
because she's spending a great deal of time right now
dealing with this very phenomenon and other similar to it
that are being reported and that she's receiving from people
around the world. But the only thing I can imagine
is that the young Man was an angelic manifestation and
it was just there to assure my mother, who is

(52:27):
a Christian, that whatever this other manifestation is can't catch you,
can't hurt you, but it is part of another kind
of reality. Well, of course, then that takes us to
other programs we've done in the past where what's going
on atcerned they're trying to open a doorway into a
parallel reality. Top leading minds in the world quantum physicists
believe that we are living in a multiverse, and by

(52:49):
multiverse they don't just mean cosmic radiation left over the
Big Bang and there's light particles floating around out there
that we can't see. When you watch their documents and
their video and their discussions around what is happening in
the multiverse, they depict other people like us living parallel
to us, you know, being separated by light or whatever

(53:11):
in brains, gravitational situations in which we cannot see their light,
and therefore we can't we're not aware that they're there.
They're really just describing what the Bible calls the supernatural realm,
and even cern is trying to make contact with that reality.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I don't know what's in those eye drops, but frightening concoction. Indeed,
I mean, between tampering with the human genome and this
hellish cornucopia of sorcery, witchcraft, pharmacia, opening portals, messing around
with what we shouldn't be, we've really crossed over into
an area where I believe there's no going back here,

(53:49):
and it's almost inconceivable to think that we could soon
merit the label posthuman.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah, and that's really what we're hoping people will do,
especially the church. It is urgent that the church and
especially conservative believers, get involved in this discussion, and it's
not difficult.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
All they need is a basic education.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
About the science and the technology and what is happening
if they watch the documentary. The book Forbidden Gates is
an award winning book on which this film is based.
And by the time they come out of the backside
of this they will thoroughly understand what it took me
the last decade essentially, and especially the last five years
of my life to comprehend. They also will they'll have

(54:32):
a sense of urgency. The time to get involved is now.
If you don't get involved now, you're probably going to
just be left on the fringe and really not have
an effective voice in this conversation. Chila, thank you for
having me on your program. As always, you two are
on the cutting edge.

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