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Speaker 3 (01:33):
Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go
and from the Depths of the Past. I have Timothy
Renner of Strange Familiars.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
From Parts Unknown.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't know how long it's been. It's probably been
a couple of months. Well we'll go with years. It's
been years since you've been on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
So long, so long. When I used to play with Stonebroath,
I always have they would, you know, we play a
show with other bands and stuff there that announced and
they said that the guy being out for goes like
guys from Parts Unknown and from Parts Unknown.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's still so the old wrestling intro. Yeah, so it's
been a while though since you have been on. We
should we should tell people right up front. You start
a second podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yes, an additional not instead of Range Familiars is the
is the Mothership. This is an additional podcast called The
Flowered Path. It's about saints.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It is a very Strange Familiars take on saints. I
would think, I think that you know, people will be
interested in it, but you know it is it is
about saints. So if uh, you know fair warning going
into it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, it's uh. And and what when you say saints,
these are people the Catholic Church has ordained as saints.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, folks saints which are not canonized saints. So I
haven't done any yet with the plan is to do
folk saints. There are plenty of folk saints which aren't
canonized by the Church. There are Orthodox from the Orthodox Church,
and honestly, I'm going to do saints from from Eastern
religions as well. It's not going to be I'm Catholic,

(03:07):
so you know that's there's going to be plenty of that,
but I plan on covering. You know, there are Buddhist
saints and saints from other Eastern religions and stuff, and
I plan on uncovering those two to the best of
my ability.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Nice, Okay, are they is it? Do they actually use
the word saint or is it just a similar type
of thing.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, in Western literature they'll be referred to as as saints.
I don't know if that's just like, you know, it's
a Western version of it. Yeah, person just decided. Person
in the West decided, well that's equivalent to a Western saint,
or if they have a similar word that is translated
as saint. This is all research I need to do.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Okay. How many episodes are out now?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Five?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
And it's it's a whenever I can get to it
kind of podcast. The first few of them dropped weekly,
but that's because I'd worked on it over the whole
summer and had a bunch ready to go. And it's
just you, just me telling stories. So I'll research a
certain saint or a group of saints. The most recent
one is on the Cephala Foorst the saints that had
their heads cut off and supposedly carried their heads afterwards.

(04:08):
Some of them walked, you know, two miles with their heads.
Some of them prayed, held their head in their hands
and prayed. Neat stories about people getting their head cut
off and living afterwards.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I've never heard that.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, fun stuff. Like I said, it's a very strange
familiars take on the subject why saints. I became very
interested in them, and I started reading about them, and
I have too many books to write, so I wanted
to do something with this information. And I thought, I
can't write another book at this time. I'm behind, probably
like ten books behind when I need to write. So

(04:41):
I thought, well, just do another podcast it about saints.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Okay, all right, And of course this doesn't take any
of your strange familiar time. This is an addition.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
This is an addition too. Yes, Strange Familiars is still
coming out weekly still, the two shows a month for
the patrons. That's that's the main thing. And then my
hope is, you know, I build the Flower Path up,
do a bigger podcast. But if it stays the way
it is, that's fine too. It's fine if it's just
a nice little side project. That's I'm okay with that.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Where's the name come from?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
The first saint that we covered is a Saint Leonard,
and there's a sort of an apocryphal story about him.
He wasn't in England, but this story there's a place
in room called Saint Leonard's Wood where there was supposedly
a dragon and Saint Leonard, or maybe perhaps his apparition,

(05:31):
perhaps he bilocated to England, but anyway, Saint Leonard was
said to have hunted this dragon down and killed it,
but he got wounded in the fight, and where the
dragon wounded him bid him. Presumably his blood fell onto
the ground, and they said everywhere one of his blood
drops hit the ground, a white lily grew. So that's

(05:53):
the flower Path, you know, As he's walking away the
flowers grew up behind him.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Nice. Okay, we had actually recorded something the less time
I was down there, and then somebody lost it.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
That might have been a woo thing, honestly, like it
was just gone, like it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
There, and I, you know, I thought I should grab
a copy from Tim. Now it'll be fine. Tim's not
going to lose it.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I don't know that it was ever there, honestly, Like
I went back to the recorder and it wasn't there,
so maybe I didn't hit record. It was cold, right,
it was really cold.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
It was like, oh, was it October ish? Was it
after albutwitch, No, it was in It was in April.
It was earlier this year.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I thought it was in February March.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Maybe, I don't know. I think it was in April, okay,
because it was the last time I successfully made it
down there, and I wanted to get down before things
started growing back, but didn't quite accomplish that. Yeah, So
because you had said that, you know, it's easier to
see some of the stuff at Site seven when there
isn't a lot of foliage and then.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I mean it's you can kind of get it
sometimes with leaves on the trees, but yeah, it's best
to go there. Like for me, February has been the
time I've actually never been up there. I should go
up there in December, but January and February it's been,
you know, pretty pretty solid for going there.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I just pulled up one of the pictures I took
that day. It was why is it not giving me
a date? Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
May May sixth, Yeah, there would be yeah, once April
hits here. It's just things grow up so much as
people are like, you know, I want to hike Toad Road.
I'm like, in the middle of the summer, they'll contact me.
I'm like, good luck. They're not going to be fun.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Didn't you say they're doing something with Toad Road?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
It is parts of it at least are now a
state park, so I can I can go there pretty
much anytime I want. I'm not not, you know, it's
hunting season now, so I'm you know, been kind of
staying away during hunting season because I value my life.
But once hunting seasons is over, I can be there
pretty much as much as I want. But it's not
the whole road, no, but it's it's most of it.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
And did they I mean they made it a state park,
do they like put trails or anything in there?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean there's all there was. The old road is
the main trail on that on that part of it,
so that's still there. And then I mean there's not much.
That part is kind of a strip along the creek,
so there's not There's not many more trails they could
put in there. They own land on both sides of
the creek, so I don't know what they're doing on
the other side. They could put more trails over there.

(08:20):
I'm not sure, I guess.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I mean, do they like clean up the trails, because
I know when we walked down through it, it was pretty rough.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I went on a hike there before the in October,
I think, and it was real rough, Like that trail
was really rough. They haven't done any trail mate, okay,
and all the I think not a lot of people
know it's been turned into a state park, and the
locals there are happy enough to let people think it's
not so that all the no trust passing signs and
stuff are still up. And I just I just took

(08:49):
a map of the you know, I printed off a
map from one line, like put it on my dashboard,
like you know, almost like a parking permit, like you know,
I know I'm allowed to be here. This is state parkland.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Interest.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Haven't anybody give me any coughs?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Why do you think they did that.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
There's a group called the Lancaster Conservancy who's doing really
wonderful things and they're buying up tons of tons of
land and they bought it up and and I don't
know why they Some of their stuff is just managed
by the Lancaster Conservancy. But for this, for whatever reason,
they made it to I think it's called Riverland State Park.
And I'm happy for it, but they there's they have

(09:24):
so much land, They've saved so much in your county.
It's a really wonderful organization. I absolutely love them, and
I was so happy when I saw they bought it.
I was like, yeah, this is incredible. This is awesome
because I've said for years, like make it, make it public,
because that way people can go there. And then half
the people are there just trying to go there because
they're curious. Right, yeah, and they'll go and they'll go

(09:46):
there most offen. You'll go there, nothing's going to happen,
and people you know, then people come back like Oh,
I went there, Nothing happened there, you know, et cetera,
et cetera. So it's like open up, people see it.
So I'm happy for it.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well that's that's kind of awesome. Yeah, and maybe people
will have weird experiences there. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, that's the other thing. Some people. I'd put money
on that. Some people will, you know, and then I'll
have more stories, hopefully.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
When I was coming down for Albert Twitch and had
to abort due to my car, one of the things
I had hoped we would be able to talk about
was Fatima, because you had done those two episodes on Fatima.
It's not anywhere nearest this fresh in my mind as
it was back in October, but I did want to
talk to you a little bit about Fatima, and I
think one of the things that stood out to me, well,

(10:32):
one of the things that you said at some point
is that a lot of people have just turned it
into just like a UFO thing, And I hadn't really
thought about that, because I think Vallet was the first
one to suggest that this had earmarks of UFO activity,
and that was in that was in dimensions, and that
was kind of suggesting that this is a like whatever,
these these beings are behind the UFO phenomena are also

(10:55):
guiding us, like with this control system, and he used
Fatima as an example. Well, yeah, you have the moving
lights in the sky which resemble UFOs and all this
other stuff that's pushing us toward a specific sort of
belief system. But since then I didn't realize other people
had just kind of thrown that into the UFO pile.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, I mean I've heard other podcasts and stuff I
basically say, oh, yeah, that was a UFO event and
just dismiss it out of hand. And I mean it
may be. But my point is, whether you want to
believe the religious aspects or not, what we do it?
And I say we because I believe your approach is
similar to mine. When we talk to witnesses, we don't
tell them what they saw. We let them tell us

(11:36):
what they saw. And when you sit there and say, oh, no,
what they really saw is UFOs retrospectively, you know, you're
reaching back through time and telling them what they saw
and that's not at all what they reported. They reported
apparitions of figures. Now, again, if you want to believe
the religious message or not, that's a totally different thing.
But my point is, let's believe the witnesses and this

(11:58):
is what they say they saw.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, and it did. Did the figure ever identify itself
as Mary or did they just put that on her?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
They it did not for several divisions, And I would
have reviewed this myself if I don't know, we were
going over I forget how many months of visions there were.
So it was the same day of the month for
many months in a row, like I'm not sure. I
think they started in May and went to October, November
something like that. I could have that wrong, but whatever

(12:29):
it was, it was. It was the same day of
the month, same time of the day, every month for
a series of months. And for a time they people
were suggesting, you know, anything from they were lying to
you know, this was a demonic manifestation. And I think
finally the main seer, So there were there were three seers.

(12:50):
H Lucilla was the main seer, and then there was
Jacintha and Francesco, all young young kids. Lucilla could see
the apparitions, hear the apperitions, and speak to speak, have
conversations with them, speak back and forth to them. Jacinta
could see and hear them but couldn't but either could
not or did not speak to them, It's unclear. And

(13:12):
Francesco could only see them, so he never heard anything.
Uh so the other the girls would have to tell him,
you know, what the opperations said. But at some point
Lucia asked, you know, several months into it, she says,
who are you? And she said, you know, I am
our Lady of the Rosary or something like this, something
that indicated she was the virgin Mary.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
It's really fascinating to me that they all had different
variants on this encounter. Yeah, you know, like like and
that was consistent right.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh, throughout all the all the yeah. So so Francisco
with all these visions, he never heard a word. He
only saw them, which is yeah, it's so like why,
you know, why is that other people would be around
and they would you know by the time that you know,
third month around, you know, word got out, so people
would be there at you know where they were seeing

(14:04):
these apparitions waiting and other people would see like a
glowing ball come and like approach the tree, but not
the actual you know, apparition of a figure. You know,
people would catch smells like good smell at one point,
the the kids were essentially kidnapped. The Portugal government at

(14:26):
the time was very anti Catholic and the like. The
local official was having none of this, and he kidnapped them.
He heard there were secrets. He's like, you need to
tell me the secret, and the kids refused. It's a
pretty inspiring story how these kids stood up to this guy.
I mean, they were little kids and this guy's literally
threatening to boil him in water and stuff, kidnapped him,

(14:46):
threw him in jail with adults.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Really yeah, really really, Like must have been terrifying for
these little kids, and they would not give in, and
he finally gives up. He realizes I'm not going to
scare these kids. He gives up, But they missed. He
didn't at them, so they missed the apparition that month,
and a couple of days later they're at it. They're
in a different place and here comes this apparition on
a different tree, and they were very It always appeared

(15:12):
on the same oak tree in this and Lucilla's father's
meadow pasture where they took the sheep they were sheepherders,
but this time it appeared in a different tree and
they were very precious about the tree that was in
the meadow. They never like they did. And other people
came along and clipped the branches off of stuff, but
the seers themselves were like, no, we you know, they

(15:33):
wouldn't take any But for some reason, because it appeared
in a different tree, Jacinta took a limb off of
this tree and it's they said, it just emitted this
wonderful scent of roses and flowers and stuff. And she
brought it home and her aunt was very suspicious of
her and did not believe this stuff, and said, what
does that smell? And she smelled this branch. She's just like, well,

(15:55):
oak tree shouldn't smell like flowers, you know, she should
smell like roses. And you know, some time later she
went to you know, the pasture, and they had a
vision and while they're in ecstasy, the seers are in ecstasy,
her aunt smells the smell again and that it's that
when she hits her that's like, oh, something else is
going on here, something, you know. She blinkins to believe

(16:16):
at that point.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Did all of the apparitions start with light?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean so yes. Actually a lot of them started
with a loud boom or a blast of wind. So
here's your UFO crossover stuff, right, So there are absolutely
crossover with with the UFO events. There's even down to
at some point and he doesn't describe it, but Francesco

(16:43):
sees a big hairy monster walking around. Really you know, yeah,
he calls it a demon from hell or something like that.
You know, he calls it a creature from hell. But
it's essentially he's describing a you know, this big hairy
monster scares the heck out of him. So, you know,
here we have you know, these we didn't want to
call it a bigfoot or encrypted or whatever, just like

(17:03):
you know, but a big hairy thing walking around associated
with you know, associated with UFO stuff. We have strange lights,
we have, like I said, like loud bangs, you know, sounds,
drones and sound. I believe there were sounds coming from
the earth and stuff people said, you know, all stuff
we've heard with UFO reports, very very interesting. I like

(17:24):
I've stolen Brother Richard's take on He says, whatever this
stuff is, it all tends to use the same channels,
you know, so it's like you get a lot of
the same phenomenon, you know, whether it's UFOs or ghosts
or whatever. Yeah, it's like they're using the same channels
to get through. I think it's a great way to
describe it. So, yeah, there's a I don't blame anyone
for pointing out the similarities between the stuff and the

(17:46):
UFI just said, like just yes, but yes and yes.
And what did the seers say they saw?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know, well that and a lot of people when
they say UFO, they just meet spacecraft, right, I mean aliens.
And I don't look at it and say, oh, this
seems like aliens. I'm looking at it as this is
a very big event with these things able to interact
like this, whatever they are, and it could all be
the same thing with different faces. It could be different

(18:13):
things using the same methods. There's no way we would
know at this point, right.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
And and like again, I'm Catholic, So for me, I'm like,
I'm all in for the Catholic acpsts it. But I
can remove myself from that and say, okay, maybe this
is the other in the way that it does, or
in the way that we speculate it does, reaching into
their head and going seeing what they have to play with, right, right,
and going Okay, these are Catholic kids. They understand this symbolism.

(18:37):
This is how I'm going to manifest to them. I could,
you know, I can step away from my Catholicism and
see that and that that is certainly a possibility, right,
it's certainly possibility that I wouldn't blame people for saying
that either. But but just to write it off, it's
just oh no, they would just they just saw UFO.
It's like, well, okay, hold on, yeah, they saw something
like a UFO, but they saw a lot of other

(18:58):
things too.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Right, Yeah, there was and there was was there stuff
happening to these girls before the apparitions.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Lucilla saw an apparition of an angel before they saw
the the multiple times, I think three times before the
apperson of the Virgin Mary. And then the last time
all three seers saw the angel and it was sort
of like, you know, basically preparing them like like you know,
something bigger is coming kind of thing. And then after

(19:25):
that they saw But she had seen the same She
had seen the angel once and didn't know what it
was since she thought it was a ghost, and then
when she saw it again she she realized like it
was like a year later or something when she saw
it again and then finally got confirmation whenever it spoke
to them and realized what it was. Then she she knew, like,
oh that's what I saw before.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, there was a lot of details in your and
you did a two part podcast on this just too.
It was just too right, Yeah, just too. But it was.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
It was a deep dive.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
For sure, way more than I've ever known about Fatima,
because generally Fatima is taken either as you're the basics
or like I said, you know, Valet pointed out the
connections between this and other anomalists phenomena. I don't get
at that point. I don't think Valet was looking at
this as aliens.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And if you just covered like so, the big event
is the last one. It's the miracle of the Sun
they call it, or the dancing Sun. That's when it
was like seventy thousand people were there. That's insane, and
by far most of them saw it. Now, there were
Jewish people there, there were atheists there, there were scientists.
Now they didn't see the apperson of the Virgin Mary,

(20:31):
but they saw weird things in the sky, and they
saw the sky change colors and all this stuff. So
we have a mass event there. And if you just
talk about that event, it sounds very UFO like, you know,
there's a thing in the sky kind of danced around,
they said, literally said, it looked like a spinning disc.
You know, the sun turned into the spinning disk.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
But the sun was still in the sky too, right
or am I wrong about that?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Wasn't Whatever they saw seemed to turn into the sun
after was dancing around. Okay, Now, whether this just kind
of placed itself in that position. And so it was
a very cloudy, rainy day and then the clouds kind
of parted and then this thing sort of you know,
did its little dance, did the falling leaf motion right

(21:14):
associated with UFOs. It totally did.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
That and poltergeist events, yeah, oh yeah. And if I'm
not mistaken, a lot people were wet from the rain,
but when this ended, they were all dry, right.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
They were all they were all dry.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah. Yeah, And that definitely falls into this flat out
high strangeness type of thing.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, it's a very strange event. Again, remove the religion
from it if you want. That's that's not I'm not
trying to convert anybody. It's but it's a very strange
thing that many, many, many people witnessed. Like a lot
of people witnessed this. You can read in the newspapers
at the time, people being a newspaper reporters went there
expecting like this is how we we finally get to
the because they were promising, the seers were promising that

(21:54):
there's gonna be a miracle on this day. This is
the big one that the operations promised. So they were
ready for like that's we're going to get them now
because you know, we'll know they're lying because this miracle
won't happen. And then damn, this massive thing happens for
this huge crowd of people. Maybe that's the size of
a Super Bowl audience. Yeah, yeah, it's a massive amount

(22:14):
of people.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Did anyone see nothing?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
There were a couple people who claimed that they didn't
see anything. The vast majority of the audience saw some
saw some phenomena. Now not all of them reported the
same thing. And then but there were a few people
that now I didn't see anything, and but there were
people from other villages who could see this going on
from afar. So the idea of like a mass hypnosis
event is kind of eliminated with that because there were people,

(22:39):
you know, just you know, farmers and other villages who
had no interest in going there, you know, could actually
see this event happening from Afar.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I think too. A lot of people want to dismiss
it because it has religious overtones. You know, I understand
it's like, oh, well, that's that's just nonsense, because you know,
I don't believe in you know, Mary, right, yeah, but
you don't. You don't have to acknowledge something strange happened.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right exactly exactly. And I and and that's what I was.
So when I did the show, I actually like everything
the opperation said I quoted, and a lot of it's
very religious, you know, very very Catholic in nature. But
I my point was, no matter what entity showed themselves
in a case like this, if this was a you know,
a gray a gray alience stepped out of a UFO

(23:25):
or whatever and and actually said something of you, I
would quote that too, because it is really important these
if these entities, whatever they are saying things, I want
to quote them, you know, exactly, so you know, for me,
it's it's a it's a wonderful, you know, sort of
event confirming, you know, some of my beliefs, and I've
felt very close to Mary for for many years. But

(23:48):
I totally understand if it's like, that's not your path,
that's fine. Like I'm not, like I said, I'm really
not trying to convert any but I'm just like, that's
but that's listen to what the witnesses said, sure, and
what they described.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
What what about the prophecies that they left was did
they ever reveal the third one?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah? They did. There's a there's a lot of conspiracies
around it because people, I think people were hoping for
it to be this big. You know, here's the date
of the end of the world or whatever.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know, let's let's they give us the date the
world ends. That sounds cool. Yeah, it already it already
ended in twenty twelve. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, we're done the through all the No, No, it's
the secrets were you know relevant? Well, they predicted World
War two. It predicted the death of two of the seers,
not exactly by the date, but they basically said they
were going to die young, and they died from the

(24:43):
Spanish flu within a few years of the apparitions. I
predicted World War two and then there's a lot of
stuff at regards to the Church and communism and stuff.
And the third secret was basically, you know, for the
conversion of the world or something like this, and like
they're like RUSSI I had to be had to be
consecrated to Mary or something or you know, bad things

(25:05):
will happen. And then there's an argument with her like
John Pope, John Paul the second I think consecrated the
whole world to Mary, and there's an argument over whether
that counts or not. So the secrets are they're interesting,
I think for Catholics, but for non Catholics, I think
it's they're kind of disappointing.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, Why Mary?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's a good question. Why Mary? And why children? I mean,
these apparitions happen for you know, way back into the
eighteen hundreds and before, but you know, starting in the
eighteen hundreds, they seem she seems to appear to poor children,
most dolten girls in little rural places, you know, not cities,
most often. There are some exceptions to all these. Yeah,

(25:47):
so it's it's why Mary and why children? I mean
that you know, the Catholic answers that you know she's
our mother, and she cares about us and she's she's
coming to try to help us. But if you want
to remove that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Why now this this Mary is mother of Jesus married,
not not Mary that was potentially his his consort.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Not Mary Magdalen.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Okay, I am not that well versed in this stuff anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, this is this is uh, you know Mary, the
Jesus mother.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Mark. Why does she holds such a special place in
the Catholic.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Church because she said, boy, this is your test of
my apologetics here, because she said yes to the Holy Spirit.
She was she was given the option, you know, to
to bear this child or not, and and she said yes.
And you know boor uh, you know, God in the
form of man as as we believe, it's a very

(26:43):
very important thing she was in order to do this.
We believe that she was conceived without original sin. She
had to be if she was going to bear God.
So she has this very special place in being, you know,
the first human born since Adam and Eve to be
conceived without our reginal sin. So yeah, she holds a

(27:05):
very very special place as an intercessor in the Catholic Church.
Is the you know, sort of the go between you know.
It's in simple terms. I always say, like, you know,
if you had a really good friend and and you
knew his mom, and you you know your friend, you
want to ask your friend a favor. Sometimes you might
go to his mom and say, Hey, I was wondering,
you know, could you ask Joe if you could tell me?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know? And this I mean, we don't have anything
in modern day. I think that approaches the level of
how big this event was.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Not with the mass site, Yeah, there are. There's an
event in Spain in the nineteen sixties that has it's
a super high concentration of paranormal phenomena around some seers
and a similar apparition. This is not approved by the
Catholic Church. It's a Garbon doll. It's a town in

(27:56):
Spain and there's going to do a show in it.
The concentrate of carnival events, including UFOs around this stuff
is amazing, and the amount of like kind of boxes
you can check with the phenomenon that's happening around these
series is amazing to me. I've said, like, it makes
you know, West Virginia during the Mall of Man Years

(28:17):
look like nothing like what was happening.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
There, okay, and that was also a merry apparition.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, they were, they were, they saw It's very similar,
very similar. The messages were very similar. But there was
no mass sightings with this one.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
And did it just stop after that big event?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, that was the last one for Fatim. I believe
Lucia had a couple more apparitions in her lifetime that
just appeared to her. But yeah, it was. That was
the last one at Fatima. And then you know, there's
been like I said, there's been a couple. Well, there's
been more than a couple. There's been a lot of
people have claimed to see apparitions of Mary since then.
But that was the last one at Fatima, the Miracle

(28:54):
of the Sun. That was the big one.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Okay. There was also when I was talking with Greg Little,
I don't think I got to it when I interviewed him,
but in his his and Andrew's latest book, they're talking
about apparitions that z E I t O U N
in Egypt.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, we're doing that. I think that'll be the next
apparition show we do. We're gonna do that, and I'm
not sure how to pronounce it either, but we'll we'll
be doing that one and knock Ireland, I think as
ours our second Apparition show, and then after that hopefully Garbindal.
But yeah, that's that one was if it's the one
I'm thinking of. That was at a Coptic church. It

(29:31):
wasn't at a Catholic church, and they were really open
about inviting anybody there to try to debunk it. It
kept appearing multiple times on top of the church and
they were very much like, yeah, come debunk it, please
tell us what it is. And you know, Muslims were
seeing it and you know Christians and everything else mass
sightings of it. So yeah, that was. That's a really

(29:52):
interesting one, and I think that that'll be on the
next Apparition show whenever we get to that, probably not
to the New Year.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I'm trying to get looking it up how to pronounce it,
and it's just I want you to, I want you
to tell me it's not saying anything little speakers.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I was just going to wait, wait till brother Richard
pronounced it.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Let's see what about this one you no, oh wait,
maybe he's gonna say where it is zy tune.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
That sounds right. We'll go with that now we know.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
So and but he's talking about this too, so uh
oh what's his name? Uh he did all the research.
Uh Devereaux. Devereux and some other guy went looking and
they found that each time these apparitions happened, there was
an earthquake within two hundred miles of the area.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's super interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, and I had wanted to talk more to Greg
about it, but we just didn't have time. And uh
but yeah, like so there was something that you know,
the speculation is somehow this was partially where the energy
was coming from. M M. But you know, like that
stuff was caught on video. There's actual video of those apparitions. Yeah,
oh yeah, there's pictures. There's video the whole nine yards,
which is not something you had from fat just because

(31:00):
of the time period.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, there's one like black and white photo of the sun,
but you can't tell anything. It's just a cruddy amateur photo,
I think, you know. Yeah, that was what the nineteen
was during World War One.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, okay, that's what I was.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Nineteen something fourteen or something.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, I wanted to say nineteen teens, but that didn't
that wasn't a word. But yeah, the ones in Egypt,
you know, I'm reading through, you know, the small little
segment he had in his book and I had never
even heard of them, and they were utterly fascinating. And
he said that some people would see figures and that
they resembled Mary and such, and other people would just

(31:37):
see lights, and so the same type of thing where
people were seeing different things when they looked at it,
which makes you wonder how much of that is sort
of a null thing that our brain needs to put
format on right right.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, it's like the I think you know, we were
talking about Bigfoot one time, and you said like like
maybe it's just you know, something that's there, and you know,
you put them the costume of Bigfoot on it, so
to speak, and then somebody else might put another costume
on it. You know, Yeah, it's quite possible. Like I said,
you know, the culture definitely matters with this stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yes, yes, Oh. My other question was going to be
with Fatima, was that was there anything during this time
perme me? It was World War One, but that was
particularly uh stressing out that area of the of that country.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, like I said, it was a very anti Catholic
government and like Portugal had been like extremely Catholic for
many many years and then right before World Ward won,
this this kind of anti Catholic government takes over. So
there was that was definitely happening. You know, World War
One was happening. I think Portugal tried to stay out
of it, but Germany declared war on them eventually, so

(32:47):
they had to kind of enter it because you know,
they were going to be a part of it where
they liked it not right, So that was happening. Some
some people from the village, you know, some young men
from the village. This is a farming village. You know,
you take young men off the war, it's going to
hurt or you know, the village. Yeah, so you know,
they were certainly going through that. But you know, otherwise
I'm you know, I'm not I'm not sure. You know,

(33:08):
it's usually framed. The operations are basically framing just like
it's weird. It's almost dated when when you read about
how like anti communists they are these operations and then
you know it's today looking back, it's like, you know,
it's communism that big a threat. I don't know, you know,
it doesn't seem like it is anymore, Like it seems

(33:30):
like I wouldn't call Russia communists anymore, so you know
it is communism, this big threat that it was. I
don't I don't know. So it's like, you know, what,
what were these operations trying to say it's the Garbandald,
the one that I'm absolutely fascinating with. They made some
big predictions regarding that some things that are supposed to happen.

(33:51):
There's this supposed to be a warning and then a miracle,
and then a chastisement, and the warning at least, if
not the warning in the miracle, are supposed to happen
within the life of one of the seers. She's in
her seventies now, you know, so you know what happens
if it doesn't happen, you know, in her life. She's
supposed to tell us a week before.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Oh the morning I was going to say, how would
we know?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, well supposedly everybody. According to her corner what she says,
that everybody in the world will know. It won't be
the kind of thing. Now she said, like, if you
don't believe, you're not going to do anything with it.
But everybody will know. So what does that mean. I
have no clue. I have no clue. But she's supposed
to announce it a week before it happens, either she
dies before that happens. That you know, that raises a
lot of questions.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
It is so reminiscent though, of like contact. These stories
of it is it is, you know, abduction story of
all this different stuff, you know, stuff you get in
seances and stuff. It's you know, as Keel pointed out,
it's it seems like it's different different devices used to
tune into the same wavelength.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, it absolutely is. I mean I cannot argue that
for a second.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
The only thing I can point to is like there
are and this is like or both sides of it.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So, like I said, the Catholic tour as far as Garbandal,
for years, they not only would they not approve it,
they were banning priests from going there. They were kind
of like antique arab And now that's it's changed over time.
They've relaxed that. But now it's a wait and see thing.
So if these predictions never happen, they're never going to
approve it. But at the same time, people have claimed
to be had miraculous healings there. I've had a pretty

(35:26):
amazing thing I had so that that apparition. They were
holding up, you know, holy medals and stuff for it
to kiss, and then distributing these around. And there were
some pretty amazing things happened, so that people would bring
tons of these things, like crucifixes and holy metals and
wedding rings and all kind of stuff. They pile them
on the table, and these seers would go into ecstasy.

(35:49):
They'd walk over to the table, they pick something up
out of the pile. First of all, they said they
sometimes they would pick up tangles of rosaries. They'd hold
them up to the apparition to kiss. They somehow they
would come right untangled, and they would walk to these
people and now they're in trance. They'd walk to these
people and return them. And they never failed to return
the right one to the right person, not once. Now,

(36:09):
they there were piles of these things. First of all,
even if they saw who put them there, there's no
way they could memorize them all. Second of all, they
weren't there, would they weren't there. These tables would be
you know, people would be putting stuff on the table
before the seers ever got there, really really interesting stuff.
But in any case, I got one of these medals
that had been kissed and the person sent it to

(36:30):
me and I opened up the package and Alison's in
the kitchen. We have a big kitchen, you've been there,
pretty big room. I'm on one side and the front door.
She's doing dishes on the other side of the kitchen.
I opened up the package. Immediately when I opened up,
Alison and says ooh, roses, the whole room filled up
with the scent of roses. Just completely took me back.
I was like, Wow, that is pretty amazing. That is

(36:51):
pretty amazing. So that was one of the medals that
the apparition in supposedly kissed in garbment. Also, you know,
so I've had this. You know what I feel is
this kind of pretty stunning, amazing experience. So what happens
if the Catholic Church doesn't approve carbon DOL. I don't know.
I only know that something cool happened for me with it.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
And do you know, do you need their approval right exactly?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I don't. I will treasure that no matter what, right,
And I believe their approval just means like, hey, this
is this is good teaching that the church agrees with.
If they don't approve it, it doesn't mean like you're
not allowed to believe it or it's bad or anything else,
you know what I mean. So it's the word approval
carries some baggage with it. I think that that isn't
you know, it doesn't necessarily mean bad if it's not approved.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, I mean, every once in a while, I struggle
with the whole concept of authority, like of course, you know,
it's it's it's like we just we're born into a
system where certain people have authority over us and we're
told not to really question that. But you know, and
some and sometimes you need someone to have authority. I mean,
that's that's an important part of our system. But how

(37:54):
they get the authority isn't always you know.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, I I completely unders I came up through
punk rock and you know, anarchy and stuff. You know,
I completely understand that absolutely. It's that that inclination towards
you know, question that. And the only it's not even
a defense. It's the only thing I could say is

(38:17):
like when I when things are questioned, the answer is
consistent at least, you know what I mean. If I
have a question, and you know, I consider Brother Richard
to be basically my spiritual advisor. So I will go
to him and I and if I quit and I
can ask them the same question ten times and the
same the answer is the same. And to me that's valuable.

(38:38):
It's not like I'm like, uh, you know, well, you know, maybe,
but only if this and then that, you know what
I mean, right, there's not you know, but I absolutely
understand it, and people just like, no, I just can't
deal with that. With the dog mound, I actually completely
understand that. It's a process for me. Let me tell
you to like this sort of submission to authority. It's

(39:00):
it's it's something I have to deal with within myself.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
It's not just that. It's also like with with science
and stuff like that, where it's like, oh, this person
is an expert. You have to listen to what they say,
and it's like so we're not allowed to question it,
you know, And then it's like, but this quote expert
says the opposite thing.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Right, right, And I have I mean, I have a
real problem with gurus in general. I don't like the
concept of a guru.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
No.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
One of my favorite documentary movies is Kamari. Have you
ever seen it? I don't think so it's it's really
worth watching. It's it's a it's a wonderful movie about
a guy who's you know, he's he's of Indian descent,
and he's looking around America. He's like, people are obsessed
with like yoga and and you know, all this like
Eastern religion stuff. He doesn't have an accent, but he

(39:47):
puts on an accent, and he grows his beard out
and grows his hair long and presents himself as this,
as this yogi And at first it sounds like it's
gonna be well. I think they started out the movie
trying to do kind of a borat thing, or they
were just going to make fun of people. But he
gathers these people about him, and very quickly he realizes like, oh,
I have followers and I have responsibility. And his whole

(40:09):
teaching the whole time is you don't need me, You
don't need a guru, you don't need me. And at
the end he presents himself. He shapes his beard and
cuts his hair and he comes walking out and he
presents himself and most of his students got it. There
was it's quite beautiful. Most of them start laughing and
run up and hug him and he says, I told

(40:31):
you you don't need a guru. I'm nobody.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm nobody.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I told you you know, basically reveals that he was
faking the whole time. But the ones that had problem
with it were yoga teachers who were invested in having
you know, the Kumari style being taught from this, you know,
this teacher from India, and they were very, very invested
in you know, this being part of this legacy and stuff,
you know, because they basically they wanted authority from his authority, right,

(40:56):
and they have. But it's a really beautiful movie in
the end because the right people in the movie get it.
There's there's people who really get it, and it's the
right people that get the message and it ends up
being this very very heartfelt movie. But it's it's really
a lessoning. Guruth and I was mentioned, you know, talking
about with brother Richard and he said, there's no gurus here.

(41:17):
It's like we're all walking on this path and we're
just trying to help each other. And that I really
like that approach. Now, I don't know if that's just
the Franciscans or across the board, but but I liked
that answer because I do have a like, I have
an issue with gurus. I do.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I don't like that the Uh there's a C. S.
Lewis quote. Is this it? No, I've always really liked
and it kind of talks to that maybe this is Yeah,
So this comes off out of his book Miracles. This
is a society where the simple many obey the few
seers can live, a society where all our seers could

(41:53):
live even more fully, but a society where the mass
is still simple and the seers are no longer attended to.
You can achieve almost superficiality, baseness, ugliness, and in the
end extinction on our back we must go. But to
stay here is death.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
And and I like, you know, the idea of everyone
being a seer, everyone being able to kind of look
inside and find their own path, not having to go
to somebody else and try to emulate their path.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah. And I've said that, I mean the way. So
Stembreath has an album called Children of hum and that
comes from a phrase prep when my bandmate said one time,
so he's his. We have very similar paths, you know.
We grew up Catholic, we kind of stepped away to
the whole like pagan thing, and then we kind of
came back around to Catholicism and his wife asked him

(42:45):
one time, she said, what what do you like? How
do you do all this? Like like what is your like?
What are you doing? And he turned to her and
he said, something's hum. Some things don't hum. I follow
the things at hum. And it made so much sense
to me. I was like, Oh, that's so beautiful, what
a beautiful way to put it. And I to that,
I add, what hums for me may not hum for you,

(43:06):
and that's okay, Like you got you have to follow
your hum, and I have to follow my hum. I'm
never going to, like, you know, tell somebody they're going
to go to Hell or anything like that. It's not
it's not my way. But this this hums from me.
So this is this is you know, the hum I
am following. And I completely understand if it doesn't hump
for but I absolutely understand that, you know. So that's all,

(43:27):
you know. I just sort of I like that aspect then,
and I think we should all follow her own hum, right.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, And sometimes you need people to kind of get
you there, but in the end you shouldn't be you know,
trying to be someone else, right, because we all do
have very different paths. And what what made you decide
to go back to being Catholic?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, it was it was a many things, including that
that Garbon Doll medal that came that were pushing me there.
I mean, there's some things that that I would love
to tell this story of, but a concern my family
that I feel were absolutely miracles that happened to me

(44:09):
long ago, like twenty years ago that I never really
sort of addressed. And Mary has been a presence in
my life one way or another since that time, probably
before I just didn't realize it, but I wanted to,
like when I was sort of like, you know, dipping
my toe back into Christianity, I thought I wanted to

(44:29):
like be into Mary Magdalen, right, because I thought like,
she's more rebellious. She's the one that, you know, it
was kind of associated with a you know, some kind
of deeper mystery schools, and she's portrayed as a wild
woman when she moves in France, she grows hair over
her body and stuff like very really interesting. So I
was like, but it's like the virgin Mary just kept

(44:50):
presenting to me in like really wonderful situations in wonderful ways.
And after a while it was just like a number
of these things happened, and after a while it's like,
I can't ignore this anymore. I can't. I'm not being
I'm not being authentic to myself if I if I
keep ignoring.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
This, and I don't think we get to choose what
entities we interact with.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, I'm I mean I was raised this way. If
somebody said that, dude, this is just you know, the
other presenting through the culture that you know, I'm not
gonna write, I'm okay. Like at some point I got
peace with it. I said, you know, if you want
to tell me Mary is a goddess, Okay, if you
want to tell me Mary was a real person and
nothing more, Okay, if you want to tell me she's
the mother of God, Okay, maybe it doesn't matter. The

(45:33):
other thing I know is it works for me.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yes, And that's that's the key right there, Like it
doesn't matter what these things are. They have an effect
on us. So you can you can, you can define
it how you want, you can put it in whatever
box you want. You can try and explain it away.
But the effect is the real thing.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, I can intellectualize it, but it's not you know,
it doesn't get me very far, you know what I mean.
It's it's better to just sort of, you know, step
back and enjoy the mystery, honestly.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
And actually that was one of the things we had
talked about that night, was the kind of encouraging good
experiences instead of scary ones.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
You know, it seems like, I mean, okay, so the
average public aren't really deep into this stuff. They just
want to hear scary stories, right, you know. But the
truth is, I think a lot of this stuff wouldn't
actually be scary if we weren't if it wasn't challenging us,
if we were more aware of how this stuff works.
If that makes sense, it makes total sense. It makes

(46:36):
total sense. And I mean my experience has been absolutely that.
And I mean sometimes it does get scary, right, I'm
out of these places at night, weird stuff's going on.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, sometimes I get scared. It gets scary. But there's
a difference when you bring fear to it, Right, If
you bring fear to it, if you go out there
thinking that thinking from the start, I'm scared this is bad,
you know, I'm scared. This is a scary situation. If
you're there and something happens and things get creepy or scared,
you know, that's another thing I think. But but yeah,

(47:05):
if you go out there like bringing that to it,
I think you're going to get a measure of that back.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I mean, I've been in those experiences where I feel
that oppressive air, like something doesn't want you there. And
my response from early on it was almost like I
felt like, Okay, you're teaching me how to overcome fear,
so I'm just gonna sit here. I'm going to wait
for that to dissipate, and eventually it would. I mean
I went through months of any time I walked outside,
something followed me.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Oh I remember you tell me that.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah. It was there was no sound, almost oz effect like,
and something would walk right behind me. And it would
only happen at night, and it only would happen if
I was alone. If I was with other people, everything
was normal. I'd go into my house, they'd leave, I'd
go back outside, dead quiet, and it freaked me out.
And eventually I just sat down and went, Okay, if
you're going to do something, do something, or stop right

(47:54):
and I sat there about ten fifteen minutes and suddenly
all the noise just kind of whoshed backed in and
it never happened again.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
We were doing you know, ghostbox sessions, asked sessions, and
we were getting some some pretty scary stuff every now
and then, like you know, get out, you're going to
you're going to pay tonight, you know, the messages like that,
And I was getting a little bit freaked out. And
again I mentioned it to Brother Richard and he's like,
don't get freaked out. Ask it why, he said, ask

(48:20):
it why it wants you to leave. Don't leave, Ask
it why wants you to leave? And I was like
and ever since then, it's like completely, like just that
little thing just kind of changed my perspective. And now
we did one recently in a pow camp in at
what X pow camp in Michelle Ruins of a pew
to pow camp. I forget what the message was, but
it was something intimidating or something that came through, and

(48:43):
that was my approach. I was like like, no, like why,
you know, why give me a reason? You know, it's
pretty neat, Like just the perspective changes where it goes
from like Oh, it's you know, told me to get
out to like, well now wait, let's shift the perspective
and say, well, why do you want me to leave?
And that's you know, all it took. And it's really
kind of changed the way I react to the when

(49:03):
those things come through now as.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, what what what? What response? Did you get?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Nothing? When I once I challenged it back? You know,
nothing came back?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Right? You know, so was it just?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
First of all, it's a ghost box?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So who knows? Right? I have theories as as to
how they may work, which we probably could get into
when you know, you might be interested in that for
your your book about the time. But I don't know
that that's how they work. I don't know if they work.
I only know like we seem to get. Sometimes you
get nonsense answers and I think that's nothing there. You know,

(49:37):
nothing's happening. This is coincidence stuff. But sometimes you seem
to get very pointed answers to the questions, and at
that point I think like, Okay, something that's going on here.
Now people have said, oh, that's just you affecting the
ghost box. Fine, that's still cool to me, Like I
still think this is super interesting if that's happening. But
uh yeah, So like so this last time when when
it's I think it said because there's this real creepy basement,

(50:01):
and it was based it says like I think it
was to the right of us. So it said to
to the right, and I said, okay, I'm looking to
the right and said come down like that, and I
was like, nah, I'm not going to do that, and
it said something else to make a little more demanding
or something. I was like, now I'm not that's I'm
not going to do that. Tell me why or something
like that. But there was no real you know, responses
to why. It's maybe it was just trying to get

(50:22):
a rise out of you, and which I think a
lot of the.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Stuff is, well maybe because that generates energy, right, yeah,
like whatever it is, it may it might even be mindless.
You know, it's just it knows that this was doing
this thing generates more energy from you than then it
has more energy to work.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
M hm yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Or or it's trying to draw you in one way
or another and they're like, well let me try this.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
You know. You know, there's the Civil War graveyard in
the Ithaca Graveyard there's a little civil war section and
that's where sometimes you would get that oppressive feeling. And
I would, you know, if I was working with someone
trying to teach them how to how to do with
this stuff, I would say, walk through there when that
oppressive feeling is there, Like, I'm standing right here, You're

(51:05):
not in any danger, there's nothing dangerous here, nothing's gonna
hurt you. But oh my god, is that feeling strong
that you need to leave? And I'm like, just walk
up and around. And my girlfriend at the time when
I was teaching her this, she did that the first
time and she got to the end and I was
a little concerned because she was almost like in trance,
and I'm like, and how do you feel. She goes exhilarated,

(51:28):
you know how, because she just she was able to
combat that fear and just do it. And that's the thing,
I mean, that's that's one of you know, the point
of the fear might be to overcome it, you know,
to fix it, be to fix that challenge, because a
lot of this stuff starts out scary. You know. Streeber's
initial UFO encounters were definitely not pleasant, but then as

(51:51):
they progress, and that's the same thing you get with
shamanic experiences. Those aren't pleasant, happy experiences. They're tearing you
down where I think the phrase is taking your body apart.
So yeah, So I mean and when you go into
this stuff with your or if you're stressed out and
angry and stuff and then stuff starts happening around your house,
it might be an entity. It might be you unconsciously.

(52:13):
But the point is it's drawing that energy from angry
energy and fearful energy, and so that's what it's going
to manifest.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Right right. And I mean the flip side of that is,
I think like we usually have a like if we're
at Site seven, I always say like it's usually everyone
agrees when it's time to go. It's not like a
thing where like somebody's like no, Usually everybody's like, nah,
I think it's time to go. I think pay attention
to those impulses too. It's not running away, you know.
I mean, it's not like we're leaving because we're scared.

(52:41):
It's just like everybody's like, no, I think we're done.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
You know. Yes, that's the exact thing. It's it's a
feeling of oh, we're done, okay. Yeah, I mean you
could stay, and I don't think it would matter. It's
just the whatever was going on is done. Yeah, you're
just standing there from that point one. Let's take a
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Strange Familiars and now the Flowered Path podcast as well. Yeah,
and I do want to hear well. Okay, So there
were a couple of things I wanted to talk to
you about. If you're able to stick around for a
Patriot episode, we can do there. Sure, Yeah, let's do
this one. This was one of the things we talked

(55:56):
about last time I came out to see you. And
that is the concept of and why people care about
what the experts think about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
So you find so often, and I think, especially like
the current UFO Twitter type of people are all like, oh,
look at this, look at this, look at this. But
in the end, it's not proof of anything, right, Like
we know from you know, if you if you honestly, intellectually,
honestly look at this stuff, you will realize that there
is weird stuff going on. But is there ever going

(56:25):
to be a case where a picture or a video
proves what that thing is?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
So you have that great picture in the back of
your first book and you put it on there, and
that that was one of the things I liked so
much about the way you approach the stuff is You're like,
I don't know what this is. It's weird. Here's the picture.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah. I was almost I wasn't going to put it on,
but I had enough friends where like, no, no, no,
put that on there. That's that's a weird thing that
you go on there. Even even Allisan, you know, ever
skeptic at that time, way more skeptical than she is now,
was like, yeah, put that on there. That's weird.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
And I think the appeal to experts is still that
authority thing.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
It's like, oh, well, we got to get you know,
the scientists to believe us, why, you know, especially when
you can't. You know. Okay, so like SI and stuff
like that. You can do minor studies in the lab.
You know, you can put monks on EKG music machines
and have them go into trance. You know, this stuff
you can scientifically approach, but how do you scientifically approach
bigfoot without bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, you can't repeat that in the lab.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Same with genuine UFO settings. I mean, it's so hard
to tell what's a genuine UFO sighting anymore because there's
so much tech out there, but you know, there's You're
never going to convince the people who don't believe to
believe in this stuff by showing them a blurry picture
or you know, any of this stuff exactly. And the
better question is why does anyone care to me? This
stuff is personal? And I don't think that people see

(57:52):
that when they don't have the experience, when they're looking
at it as a singular event rather than looking at
it as something that affects their whole.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah, I mean I did a show recently, a patron
show for Strange Familiars, where we talked about dreams, Bigfoot dreams.
Would I consider big dreams right that happened to have
big Foot in them? And I was talking about how
like in the beginning of the podcast, I didn't want
to talk about that, and it wasn't because I was
never as flesh and blood as I think you think

(58:21):
I was retrospectively. I like, even in my first book,
I said, I know I lean that way for sure,
But even in my first book, I said, there's something
weird about this stuff. But in any case, I was
concerned about the reality of it, not so much the
flesh and blood reality, but the reality. And as much
as I wanted people to believe that people were having
these experiences, yeah, and I thought, if we start talking
about dreams, people are going to go, oh, it's all dreams.

(58:44):
You're just saying it's all dreams. So I really kind
of stayed away from it for a long time. Now
I think they're very important part of it, you know,
if not the key to it. Like I was telling
somebody today, if I ever write, you know, a three
volume universal theory the Paranormal Allah Josh'sology of Souls, mine's
going to be about dreams, not death, because I think
they're that important as regards all this, not that death

(59:07):
isn't important. I'm not trying to say, you know, Josh
is wrong or absolutely important. And it's a fantastic study.
A side note between the two of us, who would
between the two authors of Where the Footprints, which one
would you have bet money on right now, three volume
series about death's that's yeah, fair point, Yeah, I god

(59:27):
doubt Josh.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Now. On the other hand, Josh feels that dreams aren't
really important at all. Really yeah he uh well, in particular,
he doesn't want to hear about people's dreams. Hmm. Yeah.
He said that one night on the air, and I
was like, hey, I do because to me, dreams are
super important.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Now now, I mean, I think I'm guilty of having
said that in the past. Absolutely, I know I've said
that in the past, and I'm sorry if if I
first said that to someone because I was wrong. I
really do believe I'm wrong, and I think I think
dreams are a huge part of this. I think that's
why we fall asleep, right yeah, wake up and people
talk about you know, I woke up. Big Boot was

(01:00:07):
staring the window, and I just turned over and went
back to sleep. Why is that? Because it's easy It's
easier to get to your in your dreams than it
is when you're awake. Right like the other, it's easier
for the other to reach you when you're out, when you're.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
When you're sleeping. It's an altered state of consciousness and
it is a direct connection to your to your deeper self.
So and if this this stuff can communicate in a
similar manner, or if it communicates through our deeper self
in some way or is a part of our deeper
self in some way, then that makes absolute sense. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean we did. We did. I think you were

(01:00:42):
involved with the sleep paralysis stuff. We did right with
a like three or four part series.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I mean, I've certainly told my sleep prous the stories
on Where to the Rugue Go before, But I don't
know if I was okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I thought I thought maybe, I know, Josh was evolved.
I thought maybe you were as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
We started just doing a we did a show on
the Nightmare, which was a sort of pseudo documentary on
night on sleeperroalysis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
There was a lot and people just started piling in
sleep paralysis stories and some of them are very very strange. Yes,
you know, and it seems like it can spread like
people who don't have sleep paralysis, will, you know, get
involved with someone who does have sleep paralysis and the
next thing they note they're having sleep paralysis or they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Think in the way that we talk about big dreams
and little dreams. You know, the big dreams are meaningful,
the little dreams are just I was just processing the
days stuff. I think there's big and little sleep rouses.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yes, yes, absolutely, because I think scientists have it right.
Sometimes it's just you know, part of our brain not
fully waking up and we don't have control, but it's
sort of conscious and you still have the dream imagery,
and then it gets scary because you're like, what the
hell's going on? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Well, being paralyzed itself is scary.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yes, yeah, but that's but then when you have it
like connected to other things, or you have two people
sharing sleep paralysis, there's something more going on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
There, yeah, Or when people wake up and you know,
excuse me, something you know was sitting on their bed
and they wake up and there's an impression on their
pillow or something still after they wake up, you know. Yeah,
I mean there's there's definitely something to sleep paralysis. I mean,
there's it's connected to this in some way. There's too many,

(01:02:22):
too many witnesses I have on the show. It's one
of the standard questions I asked, ever have sleep paralysis?
Oh yeah, like a huge percentage of them now someone
else told me like, oh, well, a huge percentage of
people in general have sleep paralysis, so you can't make
anything of that. But I don't know. It seems to
be like a massive amount of paranormal witnesses it's also
have sleep proalysis.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Whether it's it's unusual for a paranormal witness not to
have sleep proalysis, right exactly? Yes, you know, and sometimes
stuff happens you just don't even know where to put it.
Like I had woken up the other day and I'm
laying there trying to get back to sleep, I'm not asleep,
and in one ear, just like my right ear, I
basically hear a Willhelm scream oh okay, and like it
startled me, and then I went I was probably just

(01:03:04):
in my head. I have no idea why it was
in my head, but like, did something do something that
that my brain just interpreted as a Wellhelm scream? Was
it just that I'm trying to get to sleep? Like
what why? Because it was almost comical. It sounded like
somebody falling down and they just yelled. And I was like,
and it startled because I was like, what, Okay, that
wasn't real. But we don't have control over that stuff,

(01:03:26):
you know, whether it's just a sort of like brain
hallucination because it's you know, trying to go between states,
or if it's something I interacted with because I think
something else happened after that and I don't remember what
it was, but none of it was like something where
I'd say, oh, this was really weird as much as
just like why you know, now, when I got when
I when I got woken up with a sh scream

(01:03:48):
and a and a bang or a shriek and a
bang and the dog started barking at something, it was like, Okay,
that's weird. Yeah, it's like that, that almost seems like
the dog heard it. But yeah, dreams. Dreams have always
been such an important part of my life, and there
are people who don't remember any of their dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I know. Yeah, yeah. I go through fits and starts
where there'll be just months where I'll either remember snippets
or very little, and then I'll have times where you know,
I remember it could but it's definitely better if I'm
actually actively recording them, yes, which I'm not great about.
I should be better about that, but because it's definitely

(01:04:30):
interested dream journals, like I was reading back when I
was doing that show with Octavian for the Stanis Familiar Patterns,
I was reading back to my dream journal. It's like,
oh man, there's some really cool stuff in here, you know, right,
completely forgotten.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
And sometimes it's cool concepts, like I've turned stuff into
stories that came from dreams because it's like, wow, that's
almost a story right there. Yeah, and I've posted some
of them and it's just I don't know because it
didn't come out of me, right yeah, but yet it
kind of did, mm hmm. And the number of prophetic

(01:05:02):
dreams I've had, or dreams that aren't even prophetic, but
that that I'm giving specific information in I don't I
don't know what that is. I don't know where that's
coming from. It seems like something else giving me the information.
But again, it's hard to tell where self stops. If
self stops.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yeah, this a deep iceberg, right, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
But like when it's conscious, when it's a little thing,
it's kind of like, oh, I dreamed about this yesterday
and now it happened today, but it's not consequential to anything, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Well, yeah, I've talked to so many people like that. Though,
so many people who've had like dreams like that are
like they give this some intense deja vous and then
you know, nothing of consequence happened. Chad has one of
the coolest stories of it. He was telling me. He
said he was driving with his cousin when they were
just driving down the road in the car, and Chad

(01:05:51):
said he just got this feeling, this overwhelming feeling of familiarity,
and he's like, we've been here before, We've done this before.
And he said, I need to stop right now, and
he jammed on his brakes like just you know, this
hard stop and he said, right as he did that,
and Al flew across the front of his car and
up the windshield, like didn't hit it, but just glided

(01:06:11):
like right across the front of the car and up
the windshield in a way. I think that's all it was.
That's all it happened. But he said it was this
absolute moment of deja vo. Like I was like, oh,
that's that is a cool story.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
But not only that, but it probably had a deeper
effect on them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah, I'm sure it did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
And how would how would your your theory of dreams
connecting everything in the paranormal go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
I don't know. I haven't thought it out that far yet,
but I know, I mean, so I know this is
like bigfoot people have bigfoot dreams. You know, lots of
people have have alien and UFO dreams. I've had both,
you know, I've dreamed of ghosts, you know. So you know,
it just feels like it's all a part of it,

(01:06:54):
how it's tied in. But yeah, I don't. I haven't
like sat down to make the connection. It's just one
of those feelings that I have, like, no, no, no,
this is part of it, This is part of it.
But you know, I haven't you know, thought out how
what that path would look like or what that book
would look like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Okay, yeah, but they are and you know, in our culture,
dreams are just tossed out. I don't mean they're nonsense,
you know, they're yeah, yeah, it's like I think we're
you know, there are most traditional native cultures and stuff
understand that dreams are important, and some of them. I
think it's the Aboriginals. Don't they think that this is
more than the unreal, than than dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Are I've heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, yeah, I mean this is sort of consensual reality.
We're all sharing this one right. And I mean, and
you can share dreams with people too, that's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yes, those are fascinating. That was That was that book
I had the author on it. It's called Nightmareland or something.
He had a bunch of stories about like people sharing dreams.
Really interesting, really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I am not familiar with that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yes, he's a he does something with Coast to Coast.
But he wrote a book. I think it's called Nightmareland.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Good. But was it all bad dreams?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
No? No, no, it was everything from like it was
just all like weird dream stuff, like lucid dreaming stuff,
sleeper ousis stuff, you know, but like shared dreams and
and just you know, like the whole dream kind of thing,
you know, like you covered like everything. So yeah, it
wasn't all bad bad dreams, but it was I think

(01:08:23):
you know, that was the hook calling the book night Maryland. Yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
It's it's also interesting how quickly dreams can fade. Oh yeah,
And that's that's fascinating to me because we I mean,
sure we can forget anything, but like dreams in particular
are clearly happening in a state of mind that is
not fully compatible with our waking state, right, you know,
so like we wake up and well, it's and sometimes
we don't remember anything. Oh you you were you remember
you were having a cool dream, but you have no

(01:08:48):
idea what it was and that that's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Oh absolutely, or or.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
You you go, oh, man, I was having this cool
dream and I can't remember it, and then you remember it.
Oh that wasn't really cool. That was That was kind
of boring. But I think it's saying about the dream state.
Whatever the dream state is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, there's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
And again with with our materialistic view on this stuff,
it's like, oh, well we can we can do an
EKG and see what happens when you dream, and that
explains it, except it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, it tells you what your physical body is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
But yeah, that's about it. I don't know it's they are.
They are something I think more people should pay attention to. Yeah,
and definitely record.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
So when we did a show a while back on
like you know, the whole airship flap at the end
of the eighteen hundreds, and it was one of these guys,
these you know, entities whatever it was, human whatever it was,
got out of the airship and when of these people
talked to him, and his name was August Defoulemouth, and

(01:09:50):
it was one of those who was it that was
talked about like the the Euphonauts always had like odd
names like that, like heal. It's almost like August Bowelmouth,
right the falmouth. And I just called it up because
I actually knew I had this one on the computer.
I looked out the front window of my house. I
saw a man in very fancy old time he dress

(01:10:10):
a black suit and top hat eighteen hundred style, who
was walking a large Irish wolfhound on a leash. Behind
him was a horse drawn train of carriages and caravans.
There were at least five of these carriages, very elaborate
and beautifully decorated. I walked outside to get a better look.
I could only see in one carriage, in which there
were two women who were dressed in bluish turquoise turquoise gowns.

(01:10:30):
They had powdered wigs and were dressed more like they
came from the seventeen hundreds, very fancy. Sitting opposite them
were two men in traditional Middle Eastern type dress, still
very fancy, turbans, Arabian slippers, embroidered vests, beards, and curled mustaches.
Somehow I got the idea they were Turkish. I realized
this whole train of caravans was headed to a funeral
of some sort. Then things cut to after the funeral,

(01:10:53):
in that way that dreamed logic sometimes does. I entered
one of the caravans and was surprised that it seemed
larger on the inside than I would of thought. Not
unreasonably large, just more like, Wow, this was bigger than
I thought it would be. At the other end of
the caravan was August to Foulmouth and an unnamed woman,
both dressed again in very fancy old time he clothes.
He didn't introduce himself, I just knew it was him.

(01:11:14):
Between us on the floor of the caravan was a coffin.
I got the impression that this was a ritual piece,
and not the coffin that the subject of the funeral
was in. It may not have been the same ritual
coffin we have, which by sold, by the way, But
we used to have a ritual coffin, but in far
better condition. On top of this coffin was a silver
cooling board that itself was coffin shaped. It'sched and very beautiful.
It was saying on top of the coffin, but turned

(01:11:35):
the opposite direction, so the wide end of the cooling
board was at the thinner foot edge of the coffin.
August stood up and gestured to the coffin board, kind
of waving his hand over it, and he said, one
turn on a slab, and that was the end. I
was there for him and he for me, at which
point I woke up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Ah, so did this guy also see an airship?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
He was just the name was the guy that came
out of the airship one of the stories. So I
knew nothing about what he looked like, you know, but
I love the name. I was just like, I was like,
oh man, I wish, like I said, if I didn't
already write book under Twothy Reuner, I would have just
started writing books under out August Offllmuth. But but like
this is a you know now two things Like number one,

(01:12:17):
I immediately had the feeling like this is not just
a big dream. This is a huge dream. Whatever this is,
it is huge. The other thing is though, like until
I read that now, the only thing I remembered was
that I met August of Falmouth and there was a
coffin right so all that detail was gone in my
head until I reread it. Yeah, which is why we
write them down, right, that's an incredible amount of detail.

(01:12:40):
All of it was gone. I didn't remember anything about
the caravan and the people in Turkish dress, all that not,
none of that that I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And then there there's like some deep there's some deep
stuff going on there, and that that is what our
what it's the language of symbols.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yeah, yeah, And I love it when I always love
it when when again, like when we were talking about Fatim,
when these entities speak, I always love it. And the
fact that I remembered what he said, like I remember
waking up, it's like I have to write that down.
One turn on the slab and that was the end.
I was there for him and he for me. I
was like, oh, that's whatever that is. I need to
write that down. So it was really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
I really like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
No exactly what it means, I'm not sure, but it
was a super like I know, I woke up just
in a state of like, oh that was important.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Yes, yeah. And sometimes I'll I make the mistake of going,
oh that was I should write that down. I'll do
it when I wake up yeah, and then you go
back it's gone, Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, No, but it
was really what was it? It was really good. Sometimes
you sometimes you can catch the thread. You'll you'll pick
up one piece of it and it'll start to kind
of open up a little bit, but it's never quite
the same. No.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah. I used to keep a book I should probably
start doing again right by the bed, and if i'd
wake up in the middle of the night, i'd write
it down. Then I would take the time, like, no,
write it down, at least get the details.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Sometimes I wake up in the morning like what's that word?
You know, But for the most part, you get the details.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yeah. I did that for a long time, and now
now I just use the voice to text on my
phone and still go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
What Yeah, because I'm a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I'm sleepily talking into the phone, which doesn't get one
hundred percent of the stuff. Even if you're clear and
enunciating perfectly, it'll still sometimes get a different word in there,
and I'll read it back and go I don't even
know what this means anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Allison's a very late sleeper. I can see her like,
wakem like, what are you talking? If we're doing better
if I just write it down.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yeah, but I would. I would do the same thing.
I'd scribble it down and I'd look at you like,
what is that word?

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
I have numerous entries in my journals where it's like
I wrote down the dream and all I have is
this is what I wrote, and it'll be a selection
of words and I have no memory of what they meant.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Yeah. You ever have recurring dreams?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Yes? Yeah, There's usually things I need to deal with
in some some form, and then when I figure it out, they.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Stop interesting, and sometimes a recurring dream about it. It's
it seems like a like a school that's underground, like
a like a high school or a community college or something.
But I don't think it was always that. It seems
like it was like maybe some kind of government building
that they turned into like a high school, but now
it's abandoned and I go there, like I've gone there

(01:15:17):
so many times in dreams. I would recognize the place,
like the roads that kind of oh yeah, yeah, I
would recognize the if I was ever on the roads,
I'd be like, this is it. This is the place.
I've gone there so many times. Yep, and it's it's abandoned.
It's not scary, it's all it's abandoned. The lights work
down there, you know. It's like you climb down, basically
climb down into it, and then you can turn the

(01:15:37):
lights on and it's like there's nothing like particularly scary
about it. It's just odd, you know, It's just just weird.
But I've been there, I don't know how many times,
like as an adult. I had recurring dreams as a kid,
but they were more like weirder stuff. But this is
as an adult. I have a recurring dream that's over
and over again. Once a year or so, I'll have
a dream about this place.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I don't know if I would count what I have
as recurring dreams, but there are locals that will pop
up regularly. Like the favorite one I have is a
waterfall that does not exist, and I in the dream,
I'll be like, oh, yeah, I want to go show
this person the waterfall. And sometimes I have a hard
time getting to it. Sometimes I get to it right away,
and I always wake up and be like, oh man,
that waterfall is amazing. Why can't that be real? Or

(01:16:19):
or I have a recurring dream there's the waterfall, there's
a house I live in that I've never lived in,
but it's always consistently the same. And what was the
other one of the other. Oh, and there's a graveyard.
There's this really beautiful graveyard and it does not exist.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Are you sure it doesn't exist?

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
No? No, but it would be really cool if it
did and I could find it. Same with the waterfall.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Yeah, right, that would be like, I think the higher
likelihood that the waterfall or the graveyard might exist than
my underground institution whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
I don't know. There's some underground abandoned places.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, it would be cool. Like like I said, I
wouldn't know it. I've been there so many times. No,
it's on a slight hill, it's surrounded by trees. There's
a road that goes near it, but not to it.
I wouldn't know it like I would totally know it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
We'll just put it out there to people to figure
out where that is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, maybe somebody who have an idea.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
All right, we're out of time, but we'll do a
Patreon segment and thank you Tim. Where can people find
all of your stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Strange familiars dot com. All the links go to me.
There's links to my books, and the Etsy shop and
everything else. And then if you don't mind, you know,
doing the whole like subscribe follow a thing for the
flower Path that would help us out a lot, just
getting started with that one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Yes, absolutely, all right, thank you, sure thing, Thanks for
having me. Jim and I continue this conversation on a
Patreon only segment as usual, and yeah, we get into
a lot of different stuff. So if you want to
become a patron, it's only three dollars a month and
it helps us continue making this content for you. And

(01:17:56):
you can become a patron just by going to where
Dodthroadgo dot com. There's a big link that says Patreon.
You can also give a one time donation and check
out all our social media and everything else. It's all
at where the Roadgo dot com. All right, we're gonna
end with some Devo Spice. I played a track of
his around Halloween, and I realized I should play the

(01:18:17):
Christmas songs. So he has two of them. I'm going
to play one this week, which is called Lean Christmas,
and that seems appropriate I think for this year for
most people. And if you like it. A Devospice dot
com is his website and We also just had him
do a live performance in our performance studio for the
Last Exit for the Lost, and if you like metal

(01:18:39):
and heavier music, check that out the Last Exit dot Org.
Of course this is not metal or heavy at all.
It's comedy music, comedy rap, to be exact, and we
play some of that too. We're very eclectic anyway, Lean Christmas,
Devo Spice. I'll see you next time.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Hey, this is Christmas. I hope we don't miss this.
My kids have a Walmart on their.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
Wish list, but a flat broke so much street and
I shounds all around. Hey, now found a quarter in
the couch all right, book of matches for Mommy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Thinks are pretty lean this year, and.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
I feared that there may be a real like a
holiday year unless I come into some money, like if
I when the lottery are joined the blood bank and
talk me to an artery. Because right now I just
haven't got a time out of work, got of money
and a.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Running out of time.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Man, I don't know what to do. Man, haven't got
a plan. The way it's going, our house will be
as festive as I ran. Most people's shopping. The toys
r uss A rint them all I meant a dollar store.
I can't afford nothing at all. I did keep into
my pocket to see what I can find. Excuse me,
what can I get for two buttons and a piece
of twine? Hey there's a toy car with some tents
and only three wheels, but it's parked down to ten cents.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Now, if only I had that much money, i'd be said,
because it's time to raid the fountain to see what
I can get. Hey, this is Christmas. I hope we
don't I missed this.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
My kids have a Walmart on the wishless button flat
broke so a straight and I scounds all around hay
nopound a.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Dime in the couch. Cool. Now I can get my
daughter that gumball she's been watching. Maybe this won't be
so bad After wall, I just need to get created.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
When I decked the hall like instead in the tree,
I use that room over there and hang some panty
hose by the chimney with care.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
Outdoor decorations won't be hard.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
I'll tie a branch on my dog and making his
tand in the yard boison ivy words as well as
missiles can And for dinner, we're gonna have a big
old Ham sandwich. Then will have to split five ways,
and it's gonna have to last for a couple of days.
And the treatments, yeah, we're gonna have all of them,
popcorn balls, potato chips, and m and ms.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
I can't afford Eggnagaretni you the burk.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
But I found a.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Little three month old milk in that auto work.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
And then I think I still have a fruit cake
from last year around here somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Merry Christmas. Dear, hey, this is Christmas. I hope we
don't miss this.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
My kids have half a Walmart on the wishless butter
flaff broke, so I swee been, I's found.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
All around he now found a nickel in the couch.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
This is going right to Grandma and Grandpa. I'll tell
them to go to the casino and play the nickel slots,
maybe the one of dollar. But then my kids to
me with the list, and I think that there's no
way in hell I can for any of this.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
I say, I'm sorry, but I'm broke, but there's no
way that I can swing it. And she says that's okay.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
Daddy said it, must'll bring it, and I feel my
confidence were bound to know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
There's no way in.

Speaker 6 (01:21:28):
Hell I'm gonna let my kids down, because children and
family of what it's all about.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
And besides, what's one more mortgage on the house? Taper
work file? Great's locked in?

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
Forty seven signatures later, I begin when I'm done shopping.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
I'll been paying in amount for around thirty years.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
So I bet a make it count for the girl,
A life sized walking doll house with the robot mate
and their name clouse for the boy hock at im
a race car bed one that actually drives and has
cool tire tread For the baby hocke at I'm this
big pneumatic type swing thing with toys, doesn't it clect?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Don't?

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
And the white whoop woman could ask for anymore? She
likes shoes so much now she owns the damn store
for me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Maybe you can find them to get a private jet.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
Now, maybe I'll just get a bet. I'm up to
my pancre as a death, But hey, what can I say?
Is the American way?

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Hey this is Christmas. I hope we don't miss this.
My kid's time have a walk part on their push list.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
Buttom left got from a street benis ground all around Hey,
now found a penny in the couch. Okay, I can
put this on the train track, so let a train
run over it and give it to my son.

Speaker 5 (01:22:31):
Then he can have his.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
Own mutant switched portrait of Linkin or something.

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