Fringe Flashback! Your Mom Has Pagan Origins - Happy Fools

ORIGINAL AIR DATE: DEC 24, 2024

Welcome to the first annual Happy Fools Christmas show. Although we are tired from the grind, we managed to sneak in a chat before Christmas. We talk a bit about the origins of christmas and about 100 other topics. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
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(00:28):
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at the top of the page. I know, slippers, we
gotta keep cleaning these chimneys.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome to the Happy Fools Podcast. I'm your co host Driver,
wishing you a merry Christmas to all the happy fools
out there, especially my co host Alfredo. Oh hello, bit,
how are you man?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Marry good Man? Merry Christmas? And can you even say that?
I've been saying that. I've been corrected a few times.
We can say it. I don't give a shit. I've
been saying it. I've been saying it loud. I'm proud too,
and I've getten a lot of happy holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and you need to say shut up. No, that's not
like I don't want people to have a happy holidays.
But what holiday are you referring to? And you say that,
is it just because you're making the assumption that someone
celebrates Christmas is at the idea?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Mm, yeah, that makes pretty much pretty much. Yeah, that's
that's correct. But you know, since so we so diverse,
and I get it. But I'm telling you what I believe,
and that's what I believe. So if you have a
different belief, systan tell me. You know, you know, I'll
tell you back. I wish you the best in any holiday.

(01:54):
You know what the issue is? I think here, here's
what I think the argument is really about. Most people
who or maybe I guess culturally Christian or who are American.
They're saying happy They're saying Merry Christmas, the same the
same way you'd say Happy Thanksgiving or Happy Fourth of July.

(02:17):
They don't really view it as a religious holiday, you know,
they're just saying, like, hey, we get the day off work,
Marry day off work. You know that's what That's what
you're saying. But I said it.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I said it to eight baristas out loud this morning.
There's a look of horror. Everyone looked around nervously. Yes, oh,
that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Oh, because they were just like slang cracking that caffeine
slinging espressos.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I said, have a merry Christmas everyone, and made the
true God of this universe shine favor about you.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, I didn't say that. Oh you should have epic
h You text me saying you had a rough day.
What's up, une, dude? I don't know. Man, the devil
is out.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
There unless it's not podcast worthy. I mean, I don't
is it personal?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
All of it is personal, But all I'm saying is
that there's no We talked about coincidences and how the
master design, and dude, it was like things that never
happened happened today. For instance, just to give you a
quick synopsis, woke up. I forgot to and I never do.

(03:32):
I forgot to, like screw the bottle water because I
work today. You know, you gotta do what you gotta do, like.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
The Sparklet's dispenser kind of a thing.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, Well I have a filter, a water filter which
is super nice, you know, and it's alkaline and all
that jazz. Is this that the clinic? No it's not home.
Oh okay, okay, yeah, yeah, So I'm feeling on my
bottle water just to do my house calls, right, and
then I pick it up and spills all over the floor.
That was awesome. Never in my life this was this

(04:03):
was first thing in the morning. Oh yeah, first thing,
like get just cranking up, you know. And then it's like, oh, okay,
So I get my papers wet, so I put them
in the microwave to kind of dry them. I don't
know if you know that, but if you put a
microwave for like ten to fifteen seconds, it dries up.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Is this like patient information that you've got.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
No, No, it's just a blank sheet, just papers, yeah yeah,
and then correct in a quick yeah yeah yeah. And
then to start burning, you know, like never in my
life I had that.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
What I mean, that's what I would have assumed.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
So yeah, let's tick him outa like in the middle
of the I don't know, twenty papers to start like burning,
and then it just goes on and on and on.
It's just crazy. So I decided to kind of drive slower.
I already drive slow in the Pria, so even slower
and I and you know what I'm finding out, what
if you drive slow, it's even more dangerous of driving.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Really, I don't know if that's true. But tell me more,
what's the rationale?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, well, especially when it comes to merging lanes, you know,
like people are coming in and you just like on
a pays and people want to kind of cut you
or go behind. I'm telling you it's better if you
go into the middle lane. Okay, because he's just a
constant speed. Right, you're not coming out, you're not nothing,
You're not going super fast, and you're definitely not going

(05:22):
on the carpool lane, right, hov who traumatized?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
We're not doing Yeah, you're never driving to that lane again. No,
do you know do you know who Afroman is?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
No? Afroman the singer should I you should? I would
make me feel I'm supposed to like us.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, he's not necessarily like a classical genius or anything,
but he saw that I definitely don't know. He sings
like because I Got High, because I got because I
Got Hi. He has a song called I Drive Better
Drunk than You Do sober, oh man, And that's what
I thought you were going to make a case like
that when you said it's actually safer to drive one

(06:03):
hundred miles an hour everywhere you go.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, Well, legally, like legal, legal speed. But yeah, it's
been it's been an interesting day so far. Oh and
then he goes on and on and on and on.
So I'm like being careful right now.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
All right, Well I was expecting worse, too bad. I
was expecting another ticket or an altercation with the patient.
Oh no, that's I'm past that, okay.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Things that you can't control, really, you know, yeah, I
know I can't. Life is good.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I can't control much. I'm good, Samuel. Samuel excited to
talk about some Christmas conspiracy. My kids are upstairs watching
one of those old Christmas movies, you know with the
little like you know, like Puppets what I'm talking about,
Like Rudolph goes to the Island of Misfit.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Was it cool? I don't know why that's I remember those? Yeah?
Those are those are classic. Yeah, i'd still watching him
from like two Bottles in Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
They they're they're both kind of like so this is
like a movie.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, Oh, speaking of you got me to watching Silo.
What do you think? So the first five episodes I
was able to kind of actually see him, like from
beginning to end, and then I lost it and so
don't hate me. What does that mean? Just went to

(07:32):
the season finale. Oh yeah, it's fine. He wasn't moving forward.
He wasn't moving forward, like he wasn't adding to like, Okay,
what the hell are we doing here? You know? And
then I was like, oh, this is what I want
to see. Nice. Nice.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I don't really remember all the details, but they go,
they go through like actors, like there's main actors, and
then they're gone.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Dude, I thought they were going to last for a while.
There were less than one episode. Yeah, yeah, I'm like,
did she's it's a good actor, you know? And then
am I supposed to be actor or actress? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Add that to the list of things I don't care about.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
So tire when it comes to that kind of stuff, correct,
I know I've got I'm like, you want to go
back to nineteen forty five or forty seven? Better nineteen
forty seven? Yeah after the war? Yeah, I was gonna
say forty five could be rough. No, we don't want
two years after the war because the first year after
the war was rough, you know, fifty maybe fifties.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think now, I think now is the best time
to be alive. But yeah, we got a little weird
politically correct stuff. But that's not a big deal. That's
not that's not war or famine. I mean, we do
have plenty of war, don't get me wrong, but we're
it's kind of far away and distant and we forget
about it because.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
We got drones. That's right. We got drones and United
Healthcare CEOs, that's right, that's right. Hey, speaking of paganism,
I have your gift. Okay. I have a gift for you, okay,
but I don't know when to give it to you.
I mean the twenty four I was like, what what
is it? Are you going to sing me a song?
Run zoom? So I don't know this is go hold

(09:10):
it up, hold it up on the camera. Yeah no, no, no,
it's it's I would like it for me actually, but
uh that's.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
A good sign. That's a sign of a good gift.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think I've been known to be the best gift
giver in family. And you're humble too, which is what
I like about you. Oh, you know, I don't like
the brag, but I am the best. I've been told.
But I am bragging a little bit. My dad asked me, Hey,
how do you know how to like you always give
good gifts because they're very unique and it's something that
they love. It's like, well, dad, I pay attention to conversations,

(09:43):
you know, like nice, like just pay attention. That's good.
That that's the key.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't really do that, which is a problem because
I'm always like huh m. A few weeks before Christmas,
I'm like, I should have been paying attention the other
day when my wife said you really needed something. Because
I now realize that that was a Q and about it.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
But if whenever you're in doubt, just know what that
person likes to do or likes to hear, Yeah, talks
about and then that that should give you a cue. Yeah,
I think right, you got me that shirt. That's right.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah. Speaking of SpaceX, I think I want to try
to drive out there for their next launch in January.
Oh no way, yes, we'll see, we'll see. I'll keep
you posted. But anyway, speaking of gift giving, so you
suggested we talk about Christmas and maybe some alternative origin stories.

(10:43):
I've got some clips that kind of make the more
traditional case. But you know, this is a complicated topic.
I'm realizing the sides are not clear. You know, what
do you mean, well, tell me what you've got first,
and I think I'm gonna and I'll kind of explain
what I mean. I guess what I mean is that
there are it's not clear who's on what side. You know,

(11:06):
there are Christians who say, absolutely, it's pagan, we shouldn't
celebrate it. And then there are Christians who say, no,
it's not pagan and we have to celebrate it. And
then there are secular people who say we have to
celebrate it, and then there are secular people who say
it's pagan. So it's not It's not clear boundaries on this.

(11:26):
But anyway, what's your what what.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Do you where? Do you think this all came from
this Christmas stuff? Well, it's it's multi so on multi
universes like the Marvel multi universe, which means that they
somehow somewhere our reality right now. It's based upon little
pieces of the Nordic nice, the you know, the Germans, yeah, Turkey,

(12:01):
you know, and Christians as well Egypt. So so we
got a little bit of everything. And the fact is
to basically smear, to remember, the whole point is to
smear or debunk the divinity of Christ. Yeah, so that's
the ultimate goal.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and so I think I kind of think what
you're saying is different from what I'll see people say,
like on social media and stuff, which is like Christmas
is pagan. Well, I guess I think the reason that
argument resonates with a lot of people is that there's
nothing very religious about it, for you know, ninety nine

(12:43):
percent of people. Again, it's not really a religious holiday.
It's more of a American culture. I mean, they celebrated
all over, but at least in America, it's more of
like a commercial, secular holiday.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
How many turkeys? Yeah, how many presents?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we're the we're the make of capitalism.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
And then there's this idea of let's cut down a
pine tree, which is very like kind of like you
if you picture a Nordic pagancage, you picture them in
pine trees, right, is correct? And they used to yeah,
the evergreens, right, which is exactly something that they they

(13:25):
they celebrated the plants, hole, the holly, the ivy, the mistletoe,
and then we adorn it with little like trinkets and symbols.
It does feel very like I get it. I get
same thing with Easter. The whole idea of like the
eggs and rebirth, and it does sound very like fertility cult.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's the whole point. Yeah, yeah, that's the whole point.
First of all, Jesus was not born around winter, right,
and what and what?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Because I've been seeing arguments back and forth about that.
What how do we know that?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well, they look at the stars back then and they
count it, and then so they look at other books
to kind of compare it to see exactly what consolations
were up there at the birth of Christ, and so
it was around March or April.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay, So so kind of extrapolating on that a bit,
the idea would be then, okay, he was born in
the spring or summer. But there were some other cultural
traditions at the time that placed a high importance on
what the end of winter, so the winter solstice, so

(14:32):
they they kind of appropriated that date that.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Is correct, which is that basically when the night dies
and the sun rises again three days later. That's right,
that's right, rights, the shortest right, the winter solstice, which
is actually to oh it just happened, yeah yesterday, yeah, yeah,

(14:57):
the shortest day of the of the year. And then now,
now that's what we have what it's called, uh, right,
the welcoming of the Yule in Norse or Nordic with
all those pagan gods.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
So is that the whole the Yule log? Is that
where that comes from?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah? Exactly the Yule log? Yeah, okay? Or or also uh,
the Romans celebrated Subternalia yep, which is the birthday right
of the sun.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
So our friend Wes Huff, who we our most popular
episode ever, had that debate with Billy Carson or whatever.
He he kind of has like a rebuttal to all this.
But I don't actually know cool, I don't know how.

(15:50):
I think it's complex.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Because clearly clearly is there's no Christmas trees in the Bible, right,
so there's clearly a mixing of traditions with with boots
that we'll go over.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
That later, right.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, we kind of have this connection to Saint Nick
maybe you know, being at the Council of Nicea and
then giving apparent Maybe again this is like more lore
than history, but giving gifts to the poor children. So
there's kind of oh really yeah, it's kind of cool. Paintings,

(16:28):
there's this, there's this like myth again, it's not recorded,
but that at the Council of Nicea he punched Arius
because that that was what the whole Council of Nicia
was about, was Arianism. Not arianism like you know, the
Third Reich, but a r I a n uh name

(16:48):
named after Arius. He he argued, there's this huge schism
in the church where he was arguing and his followers
were arguing that Jesus was the Son of God, and
then everyone else was saying, yeah, but he is also God, right,
and so they kind of came up with this idea
of the Trinity, not I mean, not that the Trinity

(17:10):
is a church invention, but that the word is not
used in the Bible, you know, but of course, you know,
the father Son, holy ghostis anyway complicated. That's what the
Council of Nicea was about. Dan Brown. Brown kind of
a lied and said it was all about like assembling
the Bible. But the Bible is you know, pretty much

(17:32):
assembled before then he.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Was already done, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, and so but yeah, that was the main thing,
was this arianism stuff. And there's a myth that Saint
Nick punched Arius in the face, but we don't know
if that's true. So anyway, but.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, so Saint Nick or they have other names for
like a center class ye Dutch, well, the north, you know,
they have a lot of that stuff and people if
you're wondering why he wears those boots, the black boots
are there for the wet land or wet grass. Mmm,

(18:09):
because Saint Nick used to go pick up little presents
under the pine trees aka mushrooms nice which were the
color red and white, and so he would put him
in his bag and he will come back basically Saint
Nick or that that elder in the tribe. Right yeah,
I was gonna say something, we'll get everyone high basically

(18:31):
right right, right, yeah, because Saint Nick was in Turkey obviously,
so no no pine trees and mushrooms there, but out there,
so they have little things, like I said, well that's
what I'm saying. They have little bits and pieces and
they mis It's an amalgamation, amalgamation of traditions and ideas.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
This is speaking of the mushroom thing. This is an
idea that Joe Rogan's talked about with people that that people,
you know, so it would rain mushrooms or grow underneath
the pine tree, right, and they were primarily those red
and white ones at Amanita ascaria or whatever. And they

(19:11):
don't but they're not that they don't make you trip
that much. They're not that psychoactive, just a little bit. However,
the reindeer eat them and go bananas, and apparently if
you drink the urine from the reindeer, you it's like
much more biologically available. This is something Joe Rogan was

(19:32):
talking about. And so it is this idea of like
the pine tree, with the presence under the pine tree,
the little red and white presence and the reindeer. I
just wonder how much of this stuff gets invented and
how much of this stuff is real. I mean, we
can't argue with the fact that we decorate Christmas tree,
so clearly something led us to believe it was important
to do that. We've got Ciner Klaus. He was the

(19:56):
Dutch version of Saint Nick that was popular in the
East Coast. This is the version I've heard. Tell me
what you think about this. So Christmas was an important holiday,
but not really that important. Like let's say, in like
the early nineteen hundreds, Easter was the important Christian holiday,
and so Christmas was like, yeah, Jesus was born it's

(20:18):
an important day. However, you know, Easter is about him
being crucified and rising from the dead, like that's clearly
a more important holiday, right, and so, but there were
these Dutch immigrants who did celebrate Christmas with gifts. They
had the Centriclaus story, which was that he would give
gifts to the kids, and he had the black peats

(20:39):
that would go down the chimneys. They're like little elves
kind of. But that's politically incorrect now because maybe they
were like indentured servants, you know. And then there was
Chris Kringle who was the German version of that, and
he was a chimney sweep and he would give presents,
oh okay, And the German immigran came to Pennsylvania and

(21:03):
coca cola was a summer only drink and they wanted
to make it more of also a winter drink year round.
They had just pulled the cocaine out of it and
they needed a gimmick, so they made they just really
like and all their advertising for like a decade just
really played up this idea of Christmas like Christmas dinner,

(21:25):
and they popularized the Dutch and German giving traditions, and yeah,
so it could just I mean German, clearly the tree
thing with Chris Kringle, that'll make sense. I mean that's
where all the Pagans came from, right, Germany. No offense
of your German, but that's where you guys, you know,
hung out.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think it's kind of cool. The thing is, we
tend to fuck everything up, right, Yeah, so we focus
more on giving and or get the right gift and
all that shit, and then then then you get it
due to fights and so so we lose the whole
purpose of it all. I think, yeah, let's be careful
with that. Man. Do you know I've been I've been

(22:07):
at fault. I've been a fault. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Do you know because you're I mean, you are in
a family of Christians and you grew up Christian, do
you Is it treated like a religious holiday?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, pretty much. So it is because of the advent,
the incarnation, the coding of the sun. Yeah, well, the
decision for him to incarnate, basically to become one of us,
you know. So so a lot of people don't believe that, right,
and so the the advent, right, the first beginning, the

(22:40):
first beginning, the first welcoming, and how hard it was,
and and the fact that he decided to become human.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yep, that's what we sell it. And then we've got
the actual Christmas story, which has nothing to do with
Santa Claus, right, it has to do with.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Jesus, major right, kings or magicians. Yeah, that they brought
to mirth and all that, and everyone's still questioning what
the star was. And there's so many different stories. You
know what, telle, it's a line, or that there were
a cluster of angels like leading the the kings too.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, you can go on Instagram and see these little
angels in the sky right now in New.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Jersey, Man they were like roamed.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Although if the Second Coming happens in Atlantic City, I
don't know, maybe that makes sense, might make sense.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
That's a good place for it to happen, right right,
right right. But supposedly, so this is a tricky part.
It's supposed to everyone's supposed to see it. I don't
know if that means, well, that's what the Bible says.
I don't know if that means, like all the newscast,
there's gonna be one specific place and then it's gonna
be broadcasted, so all eyes are gonna see I don't

(23:50):
know what that Okay, it makes sense, Yeah yeah, yeah,
not that he's gonna be everywhere at the same time. Okay,
huh yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
All right, listen, let's hear it West has to say
about your unholy opinions.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Christians actually did do things like they would destroy pagan
temples and then they would build a church on top.
So we have examples of Christians doing things like that
throughout history. But then the accusation is often made while
you know, Easter is pagan, Christmas is pagan, and that
these dates were just already celebrated festival dates by Pagans

(24:28):
and then Christians just came along and dumped their festivals
on top. So the like you mentioned, the accusation is
often with either Saturnalia or Soul in Victis. Those are
the two festivals that happen approximately the exact same time
as you know, the end of December. The problem is

(24:48):
that we actually have more evidence that those were associated
with those particular two pagan festivals after Christians had already
been celebrating celebrating rather Jesus' birth on December twenty fifth Christian.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
All right, so who knows? I mean, I don't know
what the actual evidence is. But that was interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Christians where already celebrating Christmas Day right on December around
December December twenty fifth, Yeah, Jesus birthday, and that he's saying,
the Pagans and due to the rise and popularity of Christianity,
everyone would be celebrating on the twenty fifth, so they
moved because the winter solstice isn't on the twenty fifth,

(25:29):
they kind of moved it to the twenty fifth. Their
celebration there, their winter celebrations. But I think the winter
solstice is on the I think it ends on the
twenty fifth, right, it starts on the twenty second something
like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is the
twenty second and it just regresses after.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
That, okay, okay, yeah, so that's what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Again.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I don't know what like that the evidence is, but
here we got another clip.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
On December twenty fifth as a day for Christmas actually
finds its beginning in the late second century. In early
third century, with that individual Africanus. He wrote a volume
titled Chronographoi. It was an early Christian treatise that attempted
to chronologically cover world history from creation up until his
own day, So whether that was right or not. Based

(26:16):
on his calculations, Africanus concluded that Jesus was conceived on
March twenty fifth. Then he counted the birth nine months ahead,
which landed him on the date of December twenty fifth,
and then this is corroborate.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I gotta interject here. I have to interject here. So
popular misconception is that a human gestation period is nine months,
so it's forty weeks. It's ten months, ten months from
conception to birth, So he could I mean, maybe Africanus
did get that right in his math, but I'm just

(26:52):
he said nine months. I'm just pointing out it is
ten months. It's it's something culturally we do because I
think generally you find out your you know, a woman
is pregnant between three and five weeks right after conception,
and from that point it's nine months till delivery. So
it's just culturally we say pregnancy is nine months long,

(27:13):
but it's it's ten months long. So anyway back to
what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
Here did with other ancient writers Hyppolitis of Rome, Tertalian
and even actually Augustine comments on it. So this was
a date that was associated with Jesus' birth going right
back into the second century, and if we look at
the historical data on when things like Saturnalia and soul
and Victis were celebrated, we actually get evidence that Pagans
start to add that as the date after Christians, not

(27:40):
the other way, arresting December twent Did he convince you
or no?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I'm open. Yeah, I don't need convincing. Yeah, I didn't
say it was the other way. All I'm saying is
that what we are doing right now, it's an algamation. Oh,
for sure, he said what I'm saying. I don't know
who started it first or who didn't. The thing is
is that we're still doing it. I do.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I would love to know more about how they came
up with December twenty fifth, though, because I mean, obviously
that date's not in the Bible.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Right, and the fact that it's all kind of mixed
that that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, it's I think it's kind of more interesting, Like
you're saying, it's more interesting that forget about the date.
The way Christmas is celebrated as sort of like a
secular holiday by most people, it's kind of.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Interesting, right. It is kind of odd, right, and that's
that we missed the point, right, the same with Easter. Yeah,
but like I mean, like, what do you do with that?
I don't I don't care who created this shirt first, right, right?
Like what do I what do I do with that?
If I that's what I'm more interested in.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
If I went to my wife and I said, listen,
this Christmas, no tree, all right, we're not doing any
of that. We're going to have you know, we're going
to go to Mass, we're going to read from the Bible.
We're gonna remember, you know, the birth of our Lord,
Lord and Savior. She'd be like, what are you talking about?

(29:09):
We're doing Christmas? To say, you're doing Christmas or rapping presents,
we're decorating the tree.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Don't be weird.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Don't be a freaking weirdo, and she'd probably she'd be right,
would I mean, I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
That is just not how That's a huge point of debate. Man.
That's a lot people have, unfortunately fall through when it
comes to to how are you going to race your kids?
You know, how are you gonna how are you going
to celebrate? Right, yeah, get religions.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I would say a pretty big portion of the population
has not even really been exposed to Christmas as a
religious holiday, you know what I mean. You just know
there's some people who aren't part of the club and
don't celebrate it because whatever reason, you know, they're Jewish
or whatever. But but no, I don't, I don't. I'm
I mean, now again, you're kind of a different story

(30:03):
because you grew up in a very religious family. But
like I would say, going to public school, secular everything,
Christmas was just about Santa presence and the Christmas tree
and Christmas lights.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Plus the country that I was racing is ninety percent Catholic. Yeah,
so so, and it's all about that. Yep, yeah, that's
all so so so the family and society right right
until you come here, it's like, no, you know, there's something,
there's more to that. There's there's more. Why am I
doing what I'm doing? Like who set up this programming?

(30:40):
And is it something that I'm instilled the kids or not?
Like am I gonna make them like oh weirds? Like nope, don't, don't,
don't don't believe in that? Yeah, who's that? Don't know?
You know, Yeah, there's gotta be some right kind of balance,
Like hey, listen, I mean, the thing is that Christmas
is a lot of fun. Oh dude, it's one of

(31:01):
the best. We had Star Wars going on.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
You got great food, you got gifts, you got faixact.
This Christmas tomalis. I love this tradition, that's right.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And then yeah in Star Wars, right, and so so
we raised our kids like believing in Santa Claus and
some of the best members in the family is around
now Oh yeah, same, I mean, you know, but but
then you get other families unfortunately that don't have that.
You know, it's like that these are the worst times. Yeah, yeah,

(31:38):
unfortunately suicidal rates, yeah yeah, they're rocking around this time, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
The the lack of sun doesn't doesn't help. And then yes,
and you become acutely aware of the fact that you're
all alone. And then work is canceled so you got
no distractions, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
That, And then you get the camp trails of blocking
the sun. Did you see it today, cam trails? Oh damn,
those are not clouds, man, Today I look up that
we're not clouds.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I we need to have we need to have the
great Chemtrail debate at some point, because I I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Think I'm sorry this one. It's all good.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
No, I'm with I'm with you in a way like
it's I think, uh I think. So here's the thing, Okay,
real quick, tangent. At certain altitudes, jet engines leave persistent contrails.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I agree right to this extent.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, there's this idea that they're not clouds. Man, there's
this idea that well, yeah, no, they're not clouds. They're
they're caused by these persistent common chemtrails I said, camp trails, contrails.
And uh so Google has a collaboration with the f
a A to help reduce the effects of jets on

(32:58):
climate change. And the way that they have come up
to do this Listen, listen, how fucking bananasis is?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Are you ready? Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
They they because they know what altitudes leave persistent contrails.
I mean this, if you've talked to pilots and stipped
as a pilot, they know the marking altitudes. So between
like on this day, at this temperature, between twenty and
twenty two thousand feet will leave a contrail, but if
we go up a thousand more feet, we won't. Like

(33:28):
this is all known, all this stuff, and so the
Google AI maximizes persistent contrails during the day and minimizes
them at night. And the thought processes is you obscure
the sky during the day to reflect sunlight. And then

(33:49):
you know, you because clouds at night keep the earth warm, right,
so but you so you don't make them at night.
And so if you implement that on a worldwide scale,
the idea is that you can actually create temperature change,
which to me is madness. What the fuck are we doing?
Just fly planes, you know, but the idea. People say

(34:12):
there's so many more, and I agree there are, but
and I think it is man made, and I think
it is bad. I just don't think there's that many
planes spraying aluminium dioxide or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
People. I agree, I don't think all of them are. Yeah,
you're absolutely.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Right, but I know, but I know, you know, cloud
seating is a real thing, obviously, like in the Middle
East and here too over farmland, and and.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I think it's bad in the Middle East too. Yep, yeah,
it's it's it's been. Yeah. I stopped getting upset about it.
Listen to me, I'm crying about it just gets me
every tiring. Man, it is weird. It's not natural. No,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, it's not natural. I agree, one hundred percent agree
it's not that.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
And then we have like the air quality index, like one,
what the fuck happened winds? I didn't have any winds,
you know for l A and and pump springs and
all this basin. Yeah, it's disgusting for the listeners. We
live in a weird geography where we get just terrible air.

(35:16):
The coastal breeze from the ocean pushes it into this valley.
We get terrible air quality. But normally by this time
of year the air is clean right from the rain.
But we haven't had any rain, so it's like that gross.
And maybe that's where it's so green here too. All
the carbon.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
All the all the carbon monoxide. Do you know what
the number one particulate is in the air right now?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
No, I don't rubber away from the tires. And number
two is asbestos based brake dust. Oh asbestos, yea lovely, Yeah,
that's what brake pads are made out of. Some version
of asbestos that isn't supposed to give you mesothelioma. But
I'm questionable, Okay, So wes got a ton of hate

(36:03):
for those clips, who do you think he got the
hate from?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
No Way? Like like hate not Bill's Billy's Nope, the
opposite of that Christians, Peterson, no way, dude.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Just every comment is like you're gonna burn in hell
for preaching this false blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
And I'm like, WHOA, I thought this. I thought he
would get the love from the Christians. He's getting like
Christmas is idolatry, like this is wrong. And I was like,
oh man, this is That's what I meant earlier when
I was saying the sides are not clear cut. Here.
They're asking him if Christmas is good or bad, and
this is his take, and then that's it for clips.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Paul when he writes in Colossians, chapter one, verse sixteen, says, therefore,
do not let anyone judge you by what you eat
or drink, or regard to a religious fast, a new
moon celebration, or a Sabbath day. And I think if
you want to learn more about you know what the
origins of those things are. I think there's information out there.

(37:11):
But to then simply associate them with paganism, I don't
think that that adds up. I think there's reasonable grounds
to say that the consumerism culture of modern Christmas is
something we don't want to be associated with. Amen, I'm
with you on that one. But to then say, well, like,
let's not let's extrapolate that out to not celebrating the incarnation,

(37:34):
the most important event in all of history, arguably besides
the Crucifixion and resurrection. Yeah, I don't know if I'm
on the same page with that one, Paul. When he
writes in all right.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
There you go, boom boom, I like this West guy man. Yeah,
he's solid. He's solid, you know. And this is the
thing you're going to get people pissed off anyway, like
when you're sitting on the edge. I mean, look at
the Crusades. That's a vivid example of Christian's gone rogue. Yep,

(38:09):
round bad or the or the the exiting of the
Jews in Spain in fourteen ninety two. You know, they've
been there for like a thousand years and then they
just got kicked out. Either you convert or you get beheaded,
so rough options ouch. Yeah. So because they wanted to

(38:31):
unite Spain back back then, and so they needed to
get rid of anyone else, like the Muslims, and the Jews.
So those were rough times. But I mean, hence the
Crusades and you know, all that jazz. But those are extremes, right,
and that's the thing that we lose. We lose focus, man,
Don't lose focus. Don't lose focus. Have some problems, have

(38:54):
some prime rib and some agnog enjoy your family, say
a nice prayer, you know, get some cohesiveness going on
if you can.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, it was it was pretty wild to read the
comments really, just from again from the side I would
have thought would have supported this idea that yes, certain
aspects of Christmas might have weird origins, and yes it's
not really a pure religious holiday. However, you know, he's
making this case that the dates and the meaning behind

(39:27):
it are actually, you know, are truly historically Christian, and
that we can feel comfortable are taking in Christmas traditions.
He even goes on this thing about how the pine
tree comes from this like Viking leader who became a
Christian and they started incorporating this like tree decoration thing

(39:55):
to honor Jesus or whatever. So who knows, who knows? Man,
I don't think it's really that big of a deal personally,
but people get people get worked up.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Dud it big time. But check. Yeah, it's all about religion.
And then think about this quote. Religion is for the
people who are afraid to going to hell. Spirituality is
for those who been already been there. Ooh nice. I
like that. Yeah, spirituality is for those who've already been there.
I've been there. It was That's why I don't. I

(40:25):
don't belong to want church. I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Sorry, when when I was reading those comments, I was
thinking about that quote that says, you know, Jesus saved
me from your followers, you know, just like like it
is just there, it's it's it's wild out there. I
I took a I had, like I had to take
some extra units in undergrad, and I was looking around

(40:52):
at classes and there was this like Archaeology of the
Biblical Region class Like hell yeah, So I signed up
for that and like Indiana Jones was my professor. Man,
he literally had like the hat and like the and
he like just got back from Turkey and it's like
I gotta I'm leaving again and in four weeks you'll

(41:12):
have a sub you know, and he's shown us artifacts.
It is actually really cool class. But he he would
roast biblical archaeologists. He would talk about how they come
out with a Bible in one hand and a brush
in the other, and they're they're looking for the arc,
you know, And he would he brought up this guy

(41:34):
who's a popular guy and you see him on Instagram
all the time. He's an advenist, synth Amnus, and he
was the one who found supposedly the chariot wheels in
the Red Sea and uh, and he's showing how no,
it's clearly fake, like this is why, like blah blah blah.
And then he also said he found blood with I

(41:56):
forget the rationale, like one X chromosome, because Jesus didn't
have a biological father, right what Yeah, So because he
wouldn't be x y without without a father, you know,
biological father is the idea, and so but he won't
he won't share his data and blah blah blah. So
he just totally like it, totally submerged all biblical archaeology.

(42:19):
So I just I just kind of assumed, and I
think this is true for a lot of secular people
that there was kind of a con a scam, you know, right,
But I do like following these guys like this Wesley guy,
because it's like, no, this guy's this guy's a scholar,
you know, he has a bias like all of us,
but he's definitely doing it.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
At least he can shut up, you know, Yeah, he
can back it up. Yeah, he'll pull the That's that's
what we want. He might be wrong, I mean, no
one is. Yeah, we don't know, right, at least you
have something to to back it up with. And I
think that's that's key. And what he's saying is true
about look at you sources guys, and we you and

(42:59):
I do that all the time, right, yeah, we can't
we can't quote if it's a poor design, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, And and even even people who try to do
everything right, like uh, it's the wild West out there
in research. Like I don't want to give the impression
that you shouldn't trust people who are doing the good
work and science and stuff. But you can make you
can make almost any case you want, take it away.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I respect this. Systematic reviews and metal analysis, those are
those are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
It's better than nothing. Yeah, but I mean it's I like,
so now I really am working with data every day,
and you can make just about any case you want
to make.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
You know, you know the quote, you know the quote, Uh, you.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Know there's liars, damn liars and statisticians.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah like it.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
And I don't know if this will be boring to people,
but you know, Okay, you screen for outliers, you get
one result. But let's say the thing you're measuring is
the prefrontal cortex right, and you have a left and
a right, and then you add them and you screen
for outliers. You get one result. You can also screen

(44:19):
for outliers separately left and right, and you'll get a
slightly different result. You can adjust for age, you can
adjust for age and sex. You can adjust for age, sex,
and some other covert and the way you screen those
for outliers will affect the outcome, and the type of
statistical analysis you choose will affect the outcome, and the

(44:40):
number of tests you run will affect the outcome. If
you run one hundred, you'd expect to find five significant findings.
But then if you tell the journal that you only
ran five, you don't adjust for multiple comparisons, and you
just publish those five. So, just so you know, it
is the wild West. If you come across something that
seems like, wow, that's really crazy, how come no one

(45:00):
else has found that?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Or then the other problem is once an idea takes hold,
people try to fit that idea. Is that because they
it's easier to publish some on an established idea than
an unestablished one. So if it just takes hold that
hypertension causes white matter injury in the brain, which probably does,

(45:27):
every person after is going to try to achieve that
same finding and then add some novel twists to it.
So I'm really skeptical even of the meta analyzes.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Man, is that a new religion? It is? It is,
it's weird. Stats stats as data. Statistics is weird.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
P values are are silly.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
The whole thing is nuts. Think what else? What's the alternative? Though?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, I guess this is as good as it gets.
But so like, uh, well, a nuanced understanding is always
the alternative. But that's impossible for most people. But so,
if you have a P value of point zero four four,
you can publish that as an interesting finding out a

(46:17):
point zero four because you round. If you have a
point zero four five, that becomes a point oh five
which is not significant, and it's trash.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So you can change clinical practice with a one hundredth
of a percent difference in errate, it's wild. You can
change the way physicians prescribe medication.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Right, people don't understand that the power of that, right,
it's silly man.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
But then of course, like of course, if you have
a point oh four to five, then you start going
maybe I can screen outliers differently, and then you start
tweaking stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
So anyway, that's my thing.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Sorry, sorry for taking this here from Christmas, but I
was working on something today that made me unhappy. Oh
just stats wise, just I didn't but I didn't agree
with what we were doing.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yeah, yeah, So so hopefully our kids continue to carry
on traditions and not loosen focus. You know. Yeah, do
we have a moral? Is that the moral? That's a
good moral? So don't get cut up into murky waters man.

(47:27):
I think, yeah, it must be, yeah, it can be.
It can be both. I think it's both right, Pagan
who or Christian?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I think about what I want for my kids, right,
and I don't know if I care what they think
about Christmas, what I would want for them, those to
be like deep thinkers and not just like superficial like
the the whole commercial commercialization. I would I would like

(47:56):
them to be like what we're doing right now and
be like where.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Has come from? You know, and to talk about deep stuff.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think that's one of life's great joys is trying
to like puzzle things out.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Why why do we do stuff like this? Yeah? My
kids already my kids, but they're man, they're already we're
laugh now because they know the underlying message. Yeah, and
so anything that pops out that that's kind of different.
It's like, hey, you know, but we can do that
because they have a solid foundation. Yeah, and that's and

(48:32):
I think that's that's that's key. But yeah, man, it's
it's merry time. Man, It's it's good times right now. Yeah.
I'm like, I get annoyed by both sides, like the
people saying like like this stop, you can't do this,
this is wrong. It's like, okay, whatever, we're just we're
sharing presents, relax, get out of my house. We're having

(48:53):
steak ham that's right. Is every guys doing you guys
staying local? Yeah, we're staying local. I don't know ever,
I don't know what we're doing. Food.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, yep, same same two miles up the street.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
We normally do like three different Christmases at the different
families houses, but just won this year.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
We did that for a long time. It was chaos.
It was nice, actually it was nice. But it was
nice because I had alcohol and whiskey saved my life.
Usually the right amount, man, the right amount does makes
the poison. That's right. Oh yeah, just to write them
out because it was it was rough going to one

(49:33):
house and another house and then having all this tough.
It was furmoil. But now it's better. Not it's more quiet,
nice hill. I get to see my parents chill, so
it's nice. I'm definitely I'm in slow mode right now.
I can hear it in both of our voices. We're
like in slow mode. Yeah right, I think that's good.

(49:55):
I think that's part of the whole seasonal thing. You
just like, the sun's not up. We're supposed to be
in a ca right now with the fire, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I think our biology is saying just chill. Yeah, but
I think we should next week have a have like
a year in review show. I'll try to find the
craziest headlines of twenty twenty four me too and place.
Oh nice, Okay, we'll play some clips, read some headlines.
Twenty twenty four is a wild year, man, I mean
we're not even talking about interest, like the really important

(50:27):
stuff that's going on, Like we're always on the verge
of some new war. But we got CEOs dying. I
don't think he did it so soon.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I don't think so what to what purpose though, Like
like why frame him? Why was it killed? Yeah? I
don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
There's lots of like conspiracies that he was about to
testify right against everybody, But yeah, I have no idea.
I mean the thing that bothers me is the video
of the killer just doesn't look like him.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Like people show different jackets, people, Yeah, different build yeah, people,
people show the picture of him with his mask down.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that looks like him, but that's
not the same guy. Yeah. Hey, if people are afraid
of narcos down south, the real are here, man. Oh yeah,
they just wear suits and ties. Yep, yep, that's all

(51:22):
but eliminated. Oh yeah, oh absolutely absolutely. Let's let's talk
about that for five minutes before we got like, oh, man,
do you have.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I mean, really, there's no way to know, but do
you have any like skepticism that he was the guy
that uh yeah mmmm here it's too okay. So do
you know do you know why the evidence is overwhelming?
Why because they found him and the McDonald's with the weapon,

(51:59):
with the manifesto, with the manifesto, with all this stuff,
like they it's just a little too like come.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
On, it was like, here's a backpack, you have everything.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
And that was the first thing he said is that's
not mine, which is interesting. And he's pleading not guilty,
which you gotta imagine he's under a lot of pressure
to plead guilty, right, they're probably telling him like, you're
gonna we're gonna give you the death penalty if you
don't plead guilty. And he said not guilty. So and
you don't get you don't get to hear from him.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So he could dude this support. I mean, I if
he's like.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
It's him, yeah, oh for sure, it's people. People aren't.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
People aren't even saying a legend anymore, which is kind
of crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
You're ready to throw rocks at him? Oh yeah, yeah,
they're ready. Yeah, absolutely, good good reference if he's if
he's a murderer. I feel bad for saying this, but
I can't shake the feeling like, man, is this kick
in his life around I don't know. And also he
doesn't seem like he's had any major reason to want
to kill the United Healthcare SEO. People are people are

(53:02):
saying he has screws in his back. He's like, yeah,
but he seems he's getting around okay, you know, and
if he got butchered by some surgeon, you know, shoot
the surgeon, right because that happened. I mean, dude, people,
there's some all the time barbaric out there, Like this
guy that was creating like screws and and uh tools

(53:25):
basically in his garage. Do you believe that fucking like
a mechanic he was creating instead of just buying it
for like, you know, companies that are I remember approved,
He was just creating like screws and nuts in his
garage and he would implant them.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
That's honestly, that's only a step down from FDA approved implants.
They don't even they don't even get tested anymore. They
just immediately there's these weird loopholes or they just immediately
get approved. I remember watching my first hip transplant, in
my first knee trans not transplant, sorry, replacement, I was like, nope, right,

(54:06):
I think I'd be preferred just to not walk. I
shouldn't say that, but it was the most barbaric thing
I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
In my life. How about two at the same time. Oh,
I just saw a guy last week. He's eighty and
he I've never It's very rare to see both at
the same time. Yeah, but he yeah, I don't know
why he agreed, just and just the lack of precision,

(54:35):
Like you think of surgery as this like delicate process.
Now they got a fucking hammer and they're hammering a
steal rod into your finger. Missed that one, Okay? The
straps coming out the hammer, oh yeah, yeah, and then
he bust out the the drill that has like a
hemisphere on the end with cheese grater teeth to bore

(54:56):
out the acid tabulum. Yeah, and you gotta dislocate the
hip and pop it out of place, you know, like
and turn it and then you flip it around so
the legs. Yeah, it's it's pretty wilding. And then they
have to strap the patients down on the table, like

(55:18):
jump off the table and.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Then they get they get the r NRPA or something
like hold on to this, pull on this, ding.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Watch ding, watch this, and then at the end they
close it up. It's like, hey, my knee is not working.
Two weeks later it's let us staff the fucking huge
candy was like, like, we use the wrong one. We
gave you Zeus level femeral contoiles you need you're a
nine year old. That sucks. Yeah, that sucks, or or

(55:48):
they get infected. He's like, what's that coming out on
my knee? Fucking green and yeah, that's just not fun.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
The hip, the hip I saw bothered me, but the
knee is much more brutal. Yeah, like the hip, the
hip is weird. The way they hammered the prosthesis into
the femur and then the way they bore out the
s tabo that was disturbing, and the way they dislocate
the hip. But the knee is like they saw off
every face of the distal femur, like anterior posterre inferior.

(56:19):
They just they turn it into a red meat cube
you see, like yep, and then they slide this thing on, which.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Is like with teeth on it's disgusting. Yeah, they're doing
a lot of partials now, they're coming back to doing
partials just because really, yeah, the faster recovery and the
risk of developing a scar tissue is less, but because
the incision is it's smaller, but still though you end
up they end up having puttal knees anyway, Like three

(56:48):
fight years.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Right, hips have gotten really good, right.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
And and that's the best of the best, right, Yeah,
hips and hips and knees. Majority of that is what
we're best at. When it comes to surgery, those two
anything else, guys, don't do it and forget it. Elbows,
you will never be the same. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
spine I've heard. I would say, I've never met someone

(57:15):
who is glad they had a back surgery except for
a couple of disreplacement people I met. Even those are tricky.
But yeah, it's like they're not really disc We call
them disc because they look like this, right, right, but
as you know, they're not. We don't even know what
the fuck that is. We cannot reproduce that in lab.
It's it's so highly it's a matrix of booties. You know.

(57:40):
The human body is amazing and especially this try to
disreplace me like that ship came out oopsie, like you know,
that's the thing about back surgery. Man, oh my gosh,
like never the same. Yeah with the knee, I.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Mean most likely you're not going to get a nervous
you although people do all the time, like with sensory
nerves and foot.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Drop and the fracture on the hip. You know, yeah
I've seen that or oh yeah foot foot drop on
the hip replacement. Yeah, that's very common. Unfortunately. Yeah, I
hope we snipped if it more and more if sorry.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
So what do you do your your hip hurts so
bad you can't walk? What you're doing?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Oh? Man, um, look, I only have a hip replacement
if I can't if I go in a wheelchair, right,
I agree with that. Yeah, oh but that's hip replacement.
Backs forget it.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I'll crawl, Yeah, I'll crawl at the back. I would
do a hip the hip knee. I'd have to think
really hard about.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, but I would be it'll be easier to say
yes back yeah, right, or unless my cervical spine, like
my foramen is narrowing and it's touching onto the spinal core,
you know.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, if you're starting to lose bowel and bladder control.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Maybe yeah, yeah, then then please by all mean but
short of that, no, thanks forget it. It's a kal
little numbness in my hands. I get that already, you know.
I wake up. It's like, why is my hand fucking numb?
Oh shit, wrong, pillow.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Well, this show is nothing if not diverse in topics.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Thank you for listening to our first annual Christmas episode.
You got some orthopedic surgery advice.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
I like the screws party. Man, This Christmas party is nice.
This is fantastic. I wish I had like some hangnog here. Man.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
You got some orthopedic advice. You learned about early Christians.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
We can talk about failed uh surgeries all day long.
That's no problem. Not what we do them, but we
do rehab them. Uh yeah, well I don't anymore. But
but yes, yes, well you read the data, that's right,
or you analyze the data.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yea yeah, yeah, oh you some random stuff about that.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I have to go back and get The whole show
is random.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So so I got this faculty appointment, right, But it's at
the medical school, and part of the grant is to
like take courses that will help you with your research. Right,
So the grant pays your salary. Okay, so that's nice

(01:00:21):
for a year, three years and then you get then
you get then you get a research budget you can
do the studies, and then you get I think it's
like twenty five thousand a year for courses. But they said,
because I'm not an MD, they want me to get
a master's from the med school. And I said, I

(01:00:42):
don't know if I want to go back to school, man,
and they're like, we'll make it. They're like, we'll make
it easy for you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
We know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, They're like, you can do most of it remote.
And I was like, oh, all right, maybe I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
So it'll be a master's and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
There'll be a master's in clinical translational science, which to me,
I'm like, well, I'm still not an MPD. But they're like, yeah,
I know, but it's better to have like the master Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Oh you're not that far off. You haven't have credits
what is And.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I was like, why do I even need to be
an m D. Most of you aren't, and they're like, well, no,
you're right, but because it's a med school grant, it
will look better I was like, all right, whatever, so
long as I don't per year, Yeah, no, I won't
have to pay anything. So that's good, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah it's online.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, well they said mostly online. Well I'm like, what's mostly?
Like one day a week is not good, and like
I want zero days a week. They they say, so
it's a two year degree, but they said they're gonna
wave a lot of the first year classes, so it
could be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
A year because you already have that in your part. Yeah.
Oh yeah, I'm looking at the courses. I'm like, yeah,
I've already taken all the course I teach this ship exactly. Yeah,
I mean literally some of it. Yeah. But they're like, yeah,
we know, and they kind of say like, well then
it won't be a problem for you then, and I'm like,
oh damn, that's a good comeback. I just don't want
to do it. I don't want to be told what
to do. I'm too old to be told what to

(01:02:07):
do by another human being at this point other than
the I. Unless you pay me three years, it's don't
have to worry about it. Yeah. So so that would
be that would be That would be new twenty twenty
five activities that I can share with you guys about
the modern challenges with their medical schools. Yeah, and for myself,

(01:02:31):
I think I'm just gonna I'm just gonna get away
from the clinical world. And yes, buddy, going through the
academia time. Yes, I'll drive a little bit now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
You you actually really enjoyed the clinic, which is great.
But I knew from bele most of the time. Most
of the time. I knew from day one that I
did not want to work with patients. So the last
ten years of my life have been me jumping around.
Uh yeah, eleven eleven dude, Yeah, eleven years out of

(01:03:06):
the clinical doctorate.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So and then so I've just been running healthcare businesses,
getting caught up in fraud. So I so got out
of that. We got fired for not getting vaccinated eventually.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah, but yeah, that's true. So we've been friends since
twenty twelve. Yeah, wow, twelve years. Yeah dude, that's awesome, man. Yeah. So,
and it's been and it's been fun every every every since. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So if people want to know how afraid of when
I met so in in our in the clinical doctorate,
you have to do like uh patient experience it what
would it be called.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Yeah, clinicals, clinic clinical rotations, clinical rotations.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, and so I did my first one at the Sniff.
It was terrible, skilled nursing facility. The people there were
like so, I mean, they were fun. It was a
good it was a good crew, but it just.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Was not a great Uh you just don't see you
doing that. Not great for to be a patient there,
you know, or an employee in my opinion. And then
my second rotation was with Alfredo. So Alfredo is my
clinical instructor and we've been friends ever since. And then
my my third one was terrible. I never talked to
that lady again. So who was the third one? It was?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
It was like in home health. Yeah, my favorite one
I did in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
That was nice. That was nice. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah,
we became friends.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Right, well, your yours was my favorite one. But my
favorite location my favorite geographically games.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Yeah, is pretty cool. It's fun. Yeah, man, it's off site,
you know, it's nice. It's nice. Yeah, yeah, but it's
been fun. So that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
So with that, we will wrap up our first annual
Christmas episode, where I think we proved that Christmas' origins
are complicated and that it probably doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Go ahead and say it again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
So well, just next time someone tells you Christmas is
pagan and you shouldn't celebrate it, you say your mom
is pagan. That was It's I said, I delivered the
punch sline, right, That was. That was a I saw
it on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
It says it's like me dunkying on the kid who
told me I shouldn't have a Christmas tree because he
told me Christmas has pagan origins. And then it's him
saying your mom has pagan origins. So anyway, so just funny, do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Whatever you want within reason and moderation. Guys, and especially
email us at Happy Fools Podcast at gmail dot com. Uh,
we forgot to do listener feedback. We got a ton
of it, so we'll do We'll do that next week.
I've been I've been writing it down. We've got lots
and lots of feedback, and apparently a couple more reviews

(01:05:59):
on Spotify, although I didn't see them, so I'll try
to figure that out anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, we'll go the feedback next time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Well, we'll talk next week about all the madness that
happened in twenty twenty four. See Alfredo Merry Christmas, Man,
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Yeah.

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