November 3, 2025 • 43 mins
Come along as we continue through Genesis. What was the purpose of the command to sacrifice Issac? What can we learn about the text and the truth that's him in the context? Lets DIG IN!An amazing resource that we have begun to use and talk about during the show are the FREE online courses provided by Hillsdale College!Take a look here:https://online.hillsdale.edu/
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So yes, sir, Well, today we're.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
Gonna keep on rolling with our Genesis Bible study. But
before we get going, Ben, anything new happened, anything you
want to let everybody out there know has been going on.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well we I haven't put nothing out lately on though
Muddy Piste and garage YouTube channel, but there's some videos
there if you want to go watch that. They actually
went up to wind Rock. Should have took some cameras
and recorded it, but we didn't. That's the off road
park up around Knoxville, Tennessee, and we had a pretty
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good time last weekend. Gave me a bunch of ideas.
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To do the.
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More jeeps and my wife's probably gonna kill me over that.
But yeah, I can't take it with you. But uh,
other than that, just you know, working like normal and
doing doing stuff.
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What you've been into, Well, not much, buddy, I've been
working like crazy. Milin has soccer pretty much every weekend.
Been a Knacksville a lot as well. But I do
have something that is kind of a big deal to me.
It's it's a lot of pressure.
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But this Sunday, yeah I heard about that.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah, this Sunday, I'm actually our pastors on vacation and
I get the privilege of delivering the message on Sunday.
So that's that's a for me. It's a very scary thing,
but also a very I feel like it's a step
forward in my faith and my walk with God, because
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you know, if we should do one thing, we should
listen to the Holy Spirit. Right and only thing is
when I went up to Doug, I actually said it
to him, probably about two months ago. I walked up
to him and I said, Doug, I really think I
really think God's pushing me to deliver a message at
some point if if you'd be okay with that, and
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Doug cost how soon can you do it? And I'm like, Doug,
hold on, should you pray about this first or something
like that. He goes, ah, we're good. He goes, he goes,
how soon can you do it? How much time you
need to get ready? I said a week or so.
And then he's like, well, i'll let you know what
I'm going on vacation. It's okay, And that's that's kind
of what happens.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
So well, I'll wear my Ranger panties back here in
the back keep me and everybody who don't know what
Ranger panties are just giggle Ranger panties and it's the military.
It's the Army Ranger military PT shorts. It's pretty much
where the name Ranger panties came from. But they're pretty short.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
They look just like the marathon runners, like the real
marathon run shorts, like real sorts.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
But I could wear them so the most like weird
attentions on me. So it makes it easier for you.
I would do that for for you.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
I don't necessarily think that's a bad idea.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Once only once. Well, I don't know if I can.
I don't know if I can survived doing it twice.
I talk a lot of smack, but I don't think
I could. I could do it twice.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Anyway, I think we need to jump into Genesis and
get rolling.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
ES is twenty two.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
So we left off talking a little bit about the
Covenant with Abimelek in twenty one. Now we're going into
kind of a story that is we've heard for a
lot of our life, and as a young Christian, a
lot of times you look at this and you go,
how could this happen? How could this even be an option?
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But we're going to shed some light on that today,
which some of this I've only recently discovered and it's
really actually pretty interesting, so let's jump into chapter twenty two.
Sometime later, God tested Abraham's faith. Abraham, God called yes,
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He replied, here, I am take your son, your only son, Yes, Isaac,
whom you love so much, and go to the land
of Mariah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering
on one of the mountains, which I will show you.
The next morning, Abraham got up early. He saddled his
donkey and took two of his servants with him along
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with his son Isaac. Then he chopped wood for the
fire for a burnt offering and set out to the
place that God told him about. On the third day
of their journey, Abraham looked up and saw the place
in the distance. Stay here with the donkey, Abraham told
the servants. The boy and I will travel a little further.
We will worship there, and we will come right back.
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So Abraham placed the wood for the burnt offering on
Isaac's shoulders, while he himself carried the fire and the knife.
As the two of them walked on together, Isaac turned
to Abraham and said, Father, yes, my son. Abraham replied,
we have the fire in the wood. The boy said
but where is the sheep for the burnt offering? God
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will provide a sheep for the burnt offering, my son,
Abraham answered, and they both walked on together. When they
arrived at the place where God had told him to go,
Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it.
Then he tied his son Isaac and laid him on
top of the altar, and Abraham picked up the knife
to kill his son as a sacrifice. At that moment,
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the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven,
Abraham Abraham, Yes, Abraham replied, here I am, don't lay
a hand on the boy. The angel said, do not
hurt him in any way, For now I know you
truly fear God. You have not withheld even your son,
your only son. Then Abraham looked up and saw a
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ram caught by its horns in a thicket. So he
took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering
in the place of his son. Abraham named the place
yahweh Yaren, which means the Lord will provide. To this day,
people still use that name as a proverb. On the
mountain of the Lord, it will be provided. Then, the
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Angel of the Lord called again to Abraham from heaven.
This is what the Lord says. Because you have obeyed
me and not withheld even your son, your only son,
I swear by my own name, I will certainly bless you.
I will multiply your descendants beyond number, like the stars
in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your
descendants will conquer the cities of their enemies, and through
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your descendants, all nations of Earth will be blessed, all
because you have obeyed me. Then they returned to the
servants and traveled back to Beersheba, where Abraham continued to live.
Soon after this, Abraham heard that Milka, his brother Nehor's wife,
had born Nehor eight sons. The oldest was named Us,
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the next was Buzz, followed by Kmule, the ancestor of Armenians, Cassaid, Hazou,
pill Dash, jip Lad, and beth Ull. Bethuell became the
father of Rebecca. In addition to these eight sons from Milka,
and Nahor had four other children from his concubine Rama.
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Their names were Tiba, Gaham, Ta, Hash, and Maca. And
that's chapter twenty two.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I find it interesting appear at the beginning, it says,
take your son, your only son, which we know that
Isaac is from Sarah and the other one do what
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ishmaels from Hagen? Ishmaels from Hagar, which was Sarah's I guess.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
It was or Egypt she gave to Abraham as a wife.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
But I wonder if God didn't recognize her as his wife.
So therefore Ishmael would be like a bastard son or something.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
That's a good pick up, because the whole point was
God had made his covenant, right, his covenant was always
the plan was through Sarah. God had made that covenant
with about Isaac, and multiple times he says.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That, and as yeah, if you don't know, through Isaac
and everything is the Jewish religion and then through Ishmael
is the Muslim religion. They've separated and it all goes
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back to Hear and which they the if I remember correct,
the Muslim still believe in like Genesis X, you know,
the first five books of the Bible. So this is
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where I'm or maybe even the whole Old Testament ish.
But it's like, if it literally says take your son,
your only son, then where's where do they say, Well,
Ishmael's the first born, so you know it's not really
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you're praying to the wrong god or whatever.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Well, it goes back again too, to the and and
we could say the favor of the younger too, because
David was the younger. You know, we go back through history,
we see the oldest son is one who gets a
birthright these things. But no, Jacob, you know, gets the
birth rate by tricking his father Isaac, you know, pretending
he's Esau. And you have David being the eighth son
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you know, in his family line, considered a cursed child.
Yet the favor falls on the younger. There's a lot
of times that happens. But I truly do think that
what you said initially makes more sense that this is
because they didn't follow what God had planned. This was
not God's plan.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
When it wasn't like a sanctioned marriage, they.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Took it into their own hands to have an heir
for Abraham. But now what's really cool and and this
is this is the part where I think everybody struggles. Right,
we think about Isaac, and we think about this little
boy that's taken up there, and he's just wondering what's
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going on.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And then welling all the firewood on his shoulders.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
All right, so this is the thing, right. So but
in our head, this is what we think about, like
a twelve year old kid that that gets up there.
And now we have to remember when Isaac born.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
How old Abraham pretty old? He's a hundred yeh yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
So we're talking if if, even if Isaac was twelve,
you know, twelve whatever. I don't believe that if you
look through the next chapter Sarah. The next chapter is
about Sarah dying, and Sarah's one hundred and twenty seven
at that point. She was ninety when he's born. So
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Isaac could have been anywhere up to thirty seven years
old when that happened. And there's a good chance that
Isaac was twenties thirties when this was all going on. Now,
even if you're a teenager, a hundred year old dude
is just gonna subdue you and tie you up and
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put you on an altar.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
That yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
No, So this right here is not just Abraham sacrifice.
This is Isaac. To Isaac was a willing participant when
they got up there. Isaac had to be willing to
let himself be bound in place on that altar.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Well, I also think they're not stupid. You know, well, God, God, God,
you know he'll he'll give us the sacrifice other words,
saying we don't have one, you know. So it's almost like, okay,
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well maybe it's one of us, you know what I'm saying.
And he continued to march up. So it is pretty wild,
but it's really cool.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
So, I mean, maybe the reason that Sarah wasn't talked
about until her death, you know, so long after, potentially
was because she never talked to Abraham again after he
went up to kill her son. But that's neither here.
But will you mean, but the crazy part is if
you look at the beginning when it talks about this,
it says, go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering
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in one of the mountains, which I will show you
guess what. He doesn't question it. He just says. The
next morning, Abraham got up early and saddled up his donkey.
He had faith in God because he knew. Now this,
you can look at his couple ways you can think about,
like the way David faced Goliath. David knew Goliath wouldn't
kill him because he had not yet been king, because
God told him that now God's already told Abraham that
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Isaac will be through who his heir, who all these
nations come from. So he has faith that somehow this
is going to work out. But if you go this
is really cool. I want to pull this up real quick.
I think I haven't marked in my Bible, but Hebrews
eleven actually talks about this in a really cool way.
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And Hebrews eleven seventeen it says it was by faith
that Abraham offered I.
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Zick is a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham,
who had received God's promises, was ready to sacrifice his
only son, Isaac, even though God told him Isaac is
the sun through whom your descendants will be counted. Abraham
reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring
him back to life again, and in a sense, Abraham
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did receive his son back from the dead. So Abraham's
actually thinking, well, I might have to go through with
this to show my commitment to God, but God's going
to bring him back. That's how much faith he had
in the fact that it was going to what what
what he was going to go through, and because of
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God's promises that that God was not going to let
Isaac be done there, his story was not over right.
So I just think that's really cool that we see
that in another section of the Bible where it kind
of describes where Abraham's headspace was. But I just I
just think that's funny because we always think of this
as a child, you know, with his father, and he's
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going to sacrifice his kid. Literally, Isaac could have been
thirty two, thirty six years old, and he's just like,
all right, time me up, put me on the altar,
because you're not overpowering. I mean, one hundred some odd
year old. God's not overpowering Isaac. You know, I was
not overpowering a younger a younger guy like that. So
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in his prime. Yeah, so we're not one hundred percent
sure how old he was, but I will tell you
this is that there's absolutely he was a child, and
he was, but he was willing to be part of
this sacrifice. He knew and I'm sure he knew the
prophecy and everything too, that and the and the covenant
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God had made saying that he is gonna be the
father of many nations, you know, because of Abraham. He's
the heir that's coming from right. Sorry, yeah, I just
I still got a tickle in my throat. I've been
just had this hold forever. A couple other cool things
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if stop me, if you've got something. So a couple
other cool things is when God calls right, it says Abraham, right,
and he says, yes, here I am. The word in
Hebrew is hanani and it literally means I am here,
I am in your presence. I am Like you're totally boom,
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this is this is me right here in front of you.
It's just kind of a cool way, which if you
hear that, you see that in multiple different places throughout
the Bible. You see it when when Eli tells Samuel
even like God, you know, when when he thinks he
thinks Eli's calling him and he gets up and goes
He's like, no, no, you're hearing the voice of God.
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Just say here, I am hanany And so it's just
a cool way of saying, yes, I am present with
the Lord. So I just I kind of always like
that that terminology was just kind of cool. And then
one other thing that I noticed with this is, you know,
he gets up there, he's about to sacrifice his son,
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and when he's told to stop, he looks up and
there's a ram in the thicket. Right. Yeah, So we
got to look at that a couple there's a couple
of ways you could look at that. Was that ram
just did God just magically make that ram appear at
that moment, which I don't choose to believe that that's
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the case, or was there a veil over Abraham's eyes
God allowed that to have you know, you have sight.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, it could be either way, I guess, you know.
And also which I don't know how true it is,
but I've been I've heard numerous times that this is
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the same area where Jesus was crucified, or it was
like a foreshadowing of Christ getting crucified where he says,
I will provide the sacrifice.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
And your only son too, right, So it's he's he's
kind of giving them a picture ahead of time.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, it's foreshadowing.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
But the the other part I was talking about the veil,
the last little thing of that when he names that
place yahweh yahah or yay era, something like to that effect. Yeah,
it means on this mountain of the Lord, there is sight,
so that veils lifted boom, he sees the sacrifices there.
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So there is a definite connection to that being like
the veil being lifted, knowing that, yes, I don't have
to sacrifice my son, but this ram is right there
in front of me. God always provides. He could have
said that God provides, Oh he provided a sacrifice. No,
God allowed him sight to see that in front of
him that God had had provided that sacrifice.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
I think I'm a little all over the place on that,
but I just I'll tell you this. I've been taking
this little course that Hillsdale College does, these free courses
and you can go online. You sign up for a
free account and you can take this free course and
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it's like six seven hours long, split up into little sections.
Justin Jackson breaks down the different not all of Genesis,
but major themes throughout Genesis, and he puts it like
he's a he's a literary I think he's an English
teacher most of the time, but he is. He breaks
down the poetry and the and the in the literary
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side of it and shows you how the pictures are
really painted. He breaks down I guess it's more of
like a literary context that he gives you so you
actually can see how it's written and the verbiage it
use actually tells half the story. It's not just the
words plaining in here, you know, it's the whole story
that's put out there because of of the way that
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the the Hebrew language writes it and depicts it. So
he is a professor in English g but it doubles
up in biblical studies with some of this stuff. But
he can take the language and literally kind of break
it down and show you just paint a whole picture
for you just the way he says it. And it's
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such an amazing tool to kind of look through. And
this book right here is the book that he kind
of uses as the companion to it called Genesis Translation
and Commentary by Robert Alter. And this is this is
really good. This book really breaks down, goes through each
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section and then it'll have a bunch of points underneath
about what they're saying here and why they're saying it,
what it means, and it's just it's it's really really
well written. I know it was a big side note,
but I think it's really important when we look at
this because you know, we can sit there and read
it at face value and God's going to talk to
us through the scripture. He always is. But man, I
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love looking for context and being able to dig in
just that next step a little bit further. Is it
that Proverbs twenty five too, it's a glory of God
to conceal a thing, and it's the gloria kings to
search things out right, So there's so many things that
we can find by looking. But yeah, that dude, he's
top notch and he's got I'll send you the link
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to it.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Yeah that's gonna be I'll have to.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
He's got tons there free so on not right.
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There are tons of stuff. There's tons of classes on here.
But I got my first certificate today for finishing.
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The start getting college credits again.
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Yeah, I got enough of those. I just want to
learn now. I actually want to learn this time around.
I didn't want to learn in college.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah, I hear that. You can add that to your
help you with your documentary. You're doing well.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
The documentary is a little bit. It's taking some twists
and turns in a very positive way, because the whole
goal is for that to be so different than anything
else that's been done that it like an atheist will
start why watching it, and just because it the undertones
are Christian, they won't just turn it off right away.
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They I want it to capture everybody. That's the point.
Most these documentaries are made for believers. Most these documentaries
are just and they're great information. But if I'm not
already a believer that's interested in those things, I'm not
gonna watch it.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
No, it might even turn you off to it.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So I'm trying. We're trying to find a way to
paint a picture for people, to show the truth of
what creation is, and to to show that through the
real human experience, that you have a drive, that you
have a creator, that you know you're not an accident
on this planet. You didn't. It's not just a pure
coincidence that you're here created for a reason. You're created
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in a fearfully and wonderfully made uh to follow through
on things God has planned for your life. And that's
the whole goal. Is to paint that picture without running
people away just for.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
You know, yeah, without shoving it down their throaty that's yeah,
it's not my goal.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Or being just blunt about You're kind of doing it
in a cryptic ish You're being blunt, but in a crypts.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Cryptic ish way, all right. So and pretty much wraps
that and that, I think, is there anything else on
chapter twenty two.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
You want to hit?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Not? Not really?
Speaker 6 (27:28):
So why don't we jump into chapter twenty three. When
Sarah was one hundred and twenty seven years old, she
died at kirath Arba, which is now called Hebron in
the land of Canaan, where Abraham mourned and wept for her.
Then leaving her body, he said to the Hittite elders here,
I am a stranger and a foreigner among you. Please
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sell me a piece of land so I can give
my wife a proper burial. The hit Tits replied to Abraham, listen,
my lord, you are an honored prince among us. Choose
the finest of our tombs and bear her there. No
one will refuse to help you in this way. Then
Abraham bowed low before the hit Tits and said, since
you are willing to help me in this way, be
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so kind as to ask Ephron, son of Zohar, to
let me buy his cave at Machpela, down at the
end of his field. I will pay the full price
in the presence of witnesses, so I will have a
permanent burial place for my family. Efron was sitting there
among the others, and he answered Abraham as the others listened,
speaking publicly before all hit Tite elders of the town. No,
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my lord, he said Abraham. He said to Abraham, listen
to me, I will give you the field and the
cave here in the presence of my people. I will
give it to you. Go and bury your dead. Abraham
bowed low before the citizens of the land. He replied
to Fron, as everyone listened, no, listen to me, I
will buy it from you. Let me pay full price
for the field so I can bury my dead there.
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Efron answered Abraham, my lord, please listen to me. The
land is worth foreigner pieces of silver, but what is
that between friends? Go ahead and bury your dead. So
Abraham agreed to Ephrem's price and paid the amount he
had suggested, four uner pieces of silver and weighed according
to the market standard. The hit Tight elders witnessed the transaction.
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So Abraham bought the plot of land belonging to Ephron
at Machpela near my Mare. This included the field itself
and the cave that was in it and all the
surrounding trees. It was transferred to Abraham as his permanent
possession in the presence of the hit Tight elders at
the city gate. Then Abraham buried his wife Sarah there
and Canaan in the cave at Milpah Milpela near my Mare,
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also called Hebron. So the field and the cave were
transferred from the hit Tights to Abraham to use as
his permanent burial place. And that's chapter twenty three. Now
I see a couple things in here I don't part
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of this is I don't know how much these hit
tits knew because he's he's in the land that God's
promising the Israelites in the long run, right, his descendants
are going to take over that land. These hit tights
know about that covenant. I'm not sure because the way
that they answer him, or the way.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
That they like a lord and a prince a.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Prince among them. But I got a feeling, and it's actually,
like I said, watch that, watch some of this stuff
that the guy's that I've been telling you about that
justin Jackson. But I got a feeling that this is
a little more sarcastic in nature when they're saying it.
Because if you go down to where he's talking to
(30:48):
e Fron, Abraham first asks I just can you ask
Fron if I can buy that cave that front introduces
the land and the cave. He's like, no, no, no, no, no,
We're gonna add all this together. Right. This isn't like
he's doing him a favor. This is a business.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Press the cost on them, so if you want it,
you're gonna pay for it.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
When we get down to four hundred pieces of silver,
that was an exorbitant amount.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I mean, he also says, and what is that amongst friends? Yeah,
like that's it's chump change.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Well, and that's but that's the that's the whole point
is he's change. No this he actually gouged Abraham. But
Abraham said, I'll pay whatever the price is, whatever you want,
well price. And even though he was gouging him, and
and the way that they approached him, and I can
(31:52):
hear this conversation and it's snarky and condescending towards Abraham,
like they're just is a there's already a hatred there
that will eventually, you know, come because of his children. Right,
So we're talking about the land of Canaan and and
(32:12):
and down. You know, this is down through the after
the Exodus, they come in and they just start wiping
out all these other tribes and a lot of those
that come from the other side of the family. Yeah,
so you see that there's a I don't there's already
(32:32):
like an animosity there between them. And I just find
that really interesting that, you know when we read this
stuff and it helps once again, I'm reading the NLT,
so we're looking at a translated, easier to read version.
But I think we mix and we miss some of
the contextual clues. Sometimes when we read some of these
(32:53):
easier to read texts, not saying that they're wrong or
they're inaccurate, but we're not reading it in the Hebrews,
or we're missing some of the It sounds like he's
trying to be really nice to them. Oh, I'll just
give it to you. But really, when you look all along,
why would he say, my lord, listen to me, the
(33:16):
land is worth forurner pieces of silver? But what's that like? Yeah,
he's just saying like, oh, you can have it. Sounds
like he's being nice, but why bring up this?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Is what almost saying like, oh, what's that to me?
I'm filthy rich and you have nothing? What's that? I
ain't what's that? Amongst friends? That's just whatever?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
But it's it's a very it's a very condescending way.
It seems that he's approached well this, here's.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
What they else. I find funny. So it was transferred
to Abraham as his permanent possessions in the presence of
the hit height of the hit tight elders at the
city gate, you're going to make a transaction, where do
you make it? At your office area? You're gonna sit down,
(34:05):
you're gonna write something up. You're gonna you know, at
a at a desk, at a at a lawyer's office,
you know, at the courthouse. Which obviously that's language of
today's world.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
But it's actually interesting almost.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Like we'll just don't even come into city, we'll just
meet you at the gate. It's kicking them out as
they're giving it to them. Just just get out of.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Here, let me see. But that's just kind of kind
of stuck out at me. It's like, why would they
do it at the gate.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
There's a thing you here talking about. I read this earlier.
Okay here, so.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Hmm.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
It says, in the hearing of the hit sights all
assembled in the gate of his town legal businesses. I'm sorry,
legal business was conducted in the gateway. The men assembled
there constitute.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Kind of like an altar kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
It's not like a kind of town calend It's.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Not an altar, but like an arbor.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Yes, something to that effect. So it's a Scholarship has
abundantly observed that the actual language used by Afrom and
Abraham and the narrator bristles with the set terms familiar
from other ancient near Eastern documents for the conveyance of property,
meaning that a lot of times the gateway was where
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these things were actually performed, which I never ever would
have thought that until I read that today.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
That's pretty wild, I guess what I was trying to say,
like the threshold. Yeah, how back in the day the
threshold was and now it's kind of more like your
hearth on your fireplace, but originally it was like the
threshold of your house. Yeah, that's that's wild.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
But yeah, that I think that's really interesting. But I
think and that's if you see, you know, Abraham throughout
the text, he's like, I'm a stranger in a foreign land, right,
He's in a place where he doesn't feel welcome. Obviously,
he doesn't feel like he's part of there, even though
it's an out. But God's taken him there to show
him this is the land that has been promised to
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his his his descendants. And I don't know, it's just
it's cool because God always seems to have a story
within a story that's pointing towards the next story. And
the way that he that God tells a story, everything
is is interconnected, it's woven together, and the text always
(36:58):
strengthens the text down the way right. Yeah, you talked
about with the symbolism between him going to sacrifice Isaac
is a lot like Okay, you're gonna give up your son,
and the and the and the verbage said over and
over again, even though it wasn't truly his only son, said,
his only son, his only son, right, the verbage is
(37:18):
showing yet, you're going to sacrifice your only son. And
it was a it was a mirror image of what
Jesus eventually did for us on the cross. So he
paints those pictures, he gives us hints, this is what's coming.
He's he's showing us the the future of of our salvation.
(37:41):
But he does it in little snippets and little pictures
that a lot of times we don't see until you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, And it's even as you grow in your faith.
Like when I was sixteen years old, I've been like,
whatever he bought some land, Okay, cool? Next, you know,
why am I even reading this? But now as we've
grown a little bit, it's okay, you know, and it
even gets more interesting. You know, back then, like I
(38:11):
don't what is this even talking about? You know, but
like the Gate, just like we discussed about the Gate,
like he would have you know, unless you dig into
it and look at it and kind of figure it out,
then it's like, okay, so you know, it shows that
they're actually an actual culture. It's just not some guy randomly.
(38:35):
You know. It was in front of all the elders,
so it was a legitimate purchase. It wasn't like he
could go back and say, oh, he just took the land,
that's illegitimate. Blood Ever, it's like having a notary. Yeah,
it's like proving okay, yep, you're right, all the elders
were there.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
And we still use that on on forums. Right, you
feel something, you need a witness, so you always have
a witness sign off on things just to prove it happened.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
But it's pretty wild.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
I love it. I tell you. Every time we get
into Genesis and we look at things and I read
these you know, I've read this before. I know these stories.
We know about this, but I've never thought of the
fact until more recently, going through those courses and whatnot,
actually thinking Isaac, like, how is one hundred and some
year old dude overpowering a you know, a kid and
(39:30):
tying them up and throw them on the altar, unless
Abraham's just jacked, you know what I mean, Like, I
mean like, how are you overpowering this kid? And then
the kid's just like all right, Like if I'm that
twelve year old kid, he ties me up, throws me
on the altar, I'm rolling off. I'm trying to get
wherever I can to get away and trying to run
back home to Mama to protect me. But he was
(39:51):
a willing participant, he was part of it. He was
showing his faith as well. And I think that's such
a cool way to to see that it wasn't just
this isn't just Abraham, because the Covenant continues on through
Isaac and eventually through Jacob and through the twelve tribes
that come from him. So and it does say, and
(40:15):
we read through that that all nations will be blessed
because of that all nations.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
So he's also, yeah, it's always it was his faith
to do that particular event is what sparked. You know,
if say, if he didn't go through with it, well
then what what would have happened? Then? You know it
(40:42):
was is actually okay, Well, like you're saying like David, Well,
I ain't king yet, so let's give her a whirl
and see what happens. So that's pretty durn wild, all
right man.
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Speaker 6 (02:43):
Gonna keep on rolling with our Genesis Bible study. But
before we get going, Ben, anything new happened, anything you
want to let everybody out there know has been going on.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well we I haven't put nothing out lately on though
Muddy Piste and garage YouTube channel, but there's some videos
there if you want to go watch that. They actually
went up to wind Rock. Should have took some cameras
and recorded it, but we didn't. That's the off road
park up around Knoxville, Tennessee, and we had a pretty
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good time last weekend. Gave me a bunch of ideas.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
To do the.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
More jeeps and my wife's probably gonna kill me over that.
But yeah, I can't take it with you. But uh,
other than that, just you know, working like normal and
doing doing stuff.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
What you've been into, Well, not much, buddy, I've been
working like crazy. Milin has soccer pretty much every weekend.
Been a Knacksville a lot as well. But I do
have something that is kind of a big deal to me.
It's it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
But this Sunday, yeah I heard about that.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah, this Sunday, I'm actually our pastors on vacation and
I get the privilege of delivering the message on Sunday.
So that's that's a for me. It's a very scary thing,
but also a very I feel like it's a step
forward in my faith and my walk with God, because
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you know, if we should do one thing, we should
listen to the Holy Spirit. Right and only thing is
when I went up to Doug, I actually said it
to him, probably about two months ago. I walked up
to him and I said, Doug, I really think I
really think God's pushing me to deliver a message at
some point if if you'd be okay with that, and
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Doug cost how soon can you do it? And I'm like, Doug,
hold on, should you pray about this first or something
like that. He goes, ah, we're good. He goes, he goes,
how soon can you do it? How much time you
need to get ready? I said a week or so.
And then he's like, well, i'll let you know what
I'm going on vacation. It's okay, And that's that's kind
of what happens.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
So well, I'll wear my Ranger panties back here in
the back keep me and everybody who don't know what
Ranger panties are just giggle Ranger panties and it's the military.
It's the Army Ranger military PT shorts. It's pretty much
where the name Ranger panties came from. But they're pretty short.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
They look just like the marathon runners, like the real
marathon run shorts, like real sorts.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
But I could wear them so the most like weird
attentions on me. So it makes it easier for you.
I would do that for for you.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
I don't necessarily think that's a bad idea.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Once only once. Well, I don't know if I can.
I don't know if I can survived doing it twice.
I talk a lot of smack, but I don't think
I could. I could do it twice.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Anyway, I think we need to jump into Genesis and
get rolling.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
ES is twenty two.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
So we left off talking a little bit about the
Covenant with Abimelek in twenty one. Now we're going into
kind of a story that is we've heard for a
lot of our life, and as a young Christian, a
lot of times you look at this and you go,
how could this happen? How could this even be an option?
(06:36):
But we're going to shed some light on that today,
which some of this I've only recently discovered and it's
really actually pretty interesting, so let's jump into chapter twenty two.
Sometime later, God tested Abraham's faith. Abraham, God called yes,
(06:58):
He replied, here, I am take your son, your only son, Yes, Isaac,
whom you love so much, and go to the land
of Mariah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering
on one of the mountains, which I will show you.
The next morning, Abraham got up early. He saddled his
donkey and took two of his servants with him along
(07:19):
with his son Isaac. Then he chopped wood for the
fire for a burnt offering and set out to the
place that God told him about. On the third day
of their journey, Abraham looked up and saw the place
in the distance. Stay here with the donkey, Abraham told
the servants. The boy and I will travel a little further.
We will worship there, and we will come right back.
(07:40):
So Abraham placed the wood for the burnt offering on
Isaac's shoulders, while he himself carried the fire and the knife.
As the two of them walked on together, Isaac turned
to Abraham and said, Father, yes, my son. Abraham replied,
we have the fire in the wood. The boy said
but where is the sheep for the burnt offering? God
(08:01):
will provide a sheep for the burnt offering, my son,
Abraham answered, and they both walked on together. When they
arrived at the place where God had told him to go,
Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it.
Then he tied his son Isaac and laid him on
top of the altar, and Abraham picked up the knife
to kill his son as a sacrifice. At that moment,
(08:24):
the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven,
Abraham Abraham, Yes, Abraham replied, here I am, don't lay
a hand on the boy. The angel said, do not
hurt him in any way, For now I know you
truly fear God. You have not withheld even your son,
your only son. Then Abraham looked up and saw a
(08:45):
ram caught by its horns in a thicket. So he
took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering
in the place of his son. Abraham named the place
yahweh Yaren, which means the Lord will provide. To this day,
people still use that name as a proverb. On the
mountain of the Lord, it will be provided. Then, the
(09:07):
Angel of the Lord called again to Abraham from heaven.
This is what the Lord says. Because you have obeyed
me and not withheld even your son, your only son,
I swear by my own name, I will certainly bless you.
I will multiply your descendants beyond number, like the stars
in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your
descendants will conquer the cities of their enemies, and through
(09:29):
your descendants, all nations of Earth will be blessed, all
because you have obeyed me. Then they returned to the
servants and traveled back to Beersheba, where Abraham continued to live.
Soon after this, Abraham heard that Milka, his brother Nehor's wife,
had born Nehor eight sons. The oldest was named Us,
(09:50):
the next was Buzz, followed by Kmule, the ancestor of Armenians, Cassaid, Hazou,
pill Dash, jip Lad, and beth Ull. Bethuell became the
father of Rebecca. In addition to these eight sons from Milka,
and Nahor had four other children from his concubine Rama.
(10:13):
Their names were Tiba, Gaham, Ta, Hash, and Maca. And
that's chapter twenty two.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I find it interesting appear at the beginning, it says,
take your son, your only son, which we know that
Isaac is from Sarah and the other one do what
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ishmaels from Hagen? Ishmaels from Hagar, which was Sarah's I guess.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
It was or Egypt she gave to Abraham as a wife.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
But I wonder if God didn't recognize her as his wife.
So therefore Ishmael would be like a bastard son or something.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
That's a good pick up, because the whole point was
God had made his covenant, right, his covenant was always
the plan was through Sarah. God had made that covenant
with about Isaac, and multiple times he says.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That, and as yeah, if you don't know, through Isaac
and everything is the Jewish religion and then through Ishmael
is the Muslim religion. They've separated and it all goes
(11:54):
back to Hear and which they the if I remember correct,
the Muslim still believe in like Genesis X, you know,
the first five books of the Bible. So this is
(12:16):
where I'm or maybe even the whole Old Testament ish.
But it's like, if it literally says take your son,
your only son, then where's where do they say, Well,
Ishmael's the first born, so you know it's not really
(12:37):
you're praying to the wrong god or whatever.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Well, it goes back again too, to the and and
we could say the favor of the younger too, because
David was the younger. You know, we go back through history,
we see the oldest son is one who gets a
birthright these things. But no, Jacob, you know, gets the
birth rate by tricking his father Isaac, you know, pretending
he's Esau. And you have David being the eighth son
(13:04):
you know, in his family line, considered a cursed child.
Yet the favor falls on the younger. There's a lot
of times that happens. But I truly do think that
what you said initially makes more sense that this is
because they didn't follow what God had planned. This was
not God's plan.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
When it wasn't like a sanctioned marriage, they.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Took it into their own hands to have an heir
for Abraham. But now what's really cool and and this
is this is the part where I think everybody struggles. Right,
we think about Isaac, and we think about this little
boy that's taken up there, and he's just wondering what's
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going on.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And then welling all the firewood on his shoulders.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
All right, so this is the thing, right. So but
in our head, this is what we think about, like
a twelve year old kid that that gets up there.
And now we have to remember when Isaac born.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
How old Abraham pretty old? He's a hundred yeh yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
So we're talking if if, even if Isaac was twelve,
you know, twelve whatever. I don't believe that if you
look through the next chapter Sarah. The next chapter is
about Sarah dying, and Sarah's one hundred and twenty seven
at that point. She was ninety when he's born. So
(14:26):
Isaac could have been anywhere up to thirty seven years
old when that happened. And there's a good chance that
Isaac was twenties thirties when this was all going on. Now,
even if you're a teenager, a hundred year old dude
is just gonna subdue you and tie you up and
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put you on an altar.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
That yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
No, So this right here is not just Abraham sacrifice.
This is Isaac. To Isaac was a willing participant when
they got up there. Isaac had to be willing to
let himself be bound in place on that altar.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Well, I also think they're not stupid. You know, well, God, God, God,
you know he'll he'll give us the sacrifice other words,
saying we don't have one, you know. So it's almost like, okay,
(15:22):
well maybe it's one of us, you know what I'm saying.
And he continued to march up. So it is pretty wild,
but it's really cool.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
So, I mean, maybe the reason that Sarah wasn't talked
about until her death, you know, so long after, potentially
was because she never talked to Abraham again after he
went up to kill her son. But that's neither here.
But will you mean, but the crazy part is if
you look at the beginning when it talks about this,
it says, go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering
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in one of the mountains, which I will show you
guess what. He doesn't question it. He just says. The
next morning, Abraham got up early and saddled up his donkey.
He had faith in God because he knew. Now this,
you can look at his couple ways you can think about,
like the way David faced Goliath. David knew Goliath wouldn't
kill him because he had not yet been king, because
God told him that now God's already told Abraham that
(16:20):
Isaac will be through who his heir, who all these
nations come from. So he has faith that somehow this
is going to work out. But if you go this
is really cool. I want to pull this up real quick.
I think I haven't marked in my Bible, but Hebrews
eleven actually talks about this in a really cool way.
(16:44):
And Hebrews eleven seventeen it says it was by faith
that Abraham offered I.
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Zick is a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham,
who had received God's promises, was ready to sacrifice his
only son, Isaac, even though God told him Isaac is
the sun through whom your descendants will be counted. Abraham
reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring
him back to life again, and in a sense, Abraham
(17:47):
did receive his son back from the dead. So Abraham's
actually thinking, well, I might have to go through with
this to show my commitment to God, but God's going
to bring him back. That's how much faith he had
in the fact that it was going to what what
what he was going to go through, and because of
(18:07):
God's promises that that God was not going to let
Isaac be done there, his story was not over right.
So I just think that's really cool that we see
that in another section of the Bible where it kind
of describes where Abraham's headspace was. But I just I
just think that's funny because we always think of this
as a child, you know, with his father, and he's
(18:27):
going to sacrifice his kid. Literally, Isaac could have been
thirty two, thirty six years old, and he's just like,
all right, time me up, put me on the altar,
because you're not overpowering. I mean, one hundred some odd
year old. God's not overpowering Isaac. You know, I was
not overpowering a younger a younger guy like that. So
(18:49):
in his prime. Yeah, so we're not one hundred percent
sure how old he was, but I will tell you
this is that there's absolutely he was a child, and
he was, but he was willing to be part of
this sacrifice. He knew and I'm sure he knew the
prophecy and everything too, that and the and the covenant
(19:09):
God had made saying that he is gonna be the
father of many nations, you know, because of Abraham. He's
the heir that's coming from right. Sorry, yeah, I just
I still got a tickle in my throat. I've been
just had this hold forever. A couple other cool things
(19:31):
if stop me, if you've got something. So a couple
other cool things is when God calls right, it says Abraham, right,
and he says, yes, here I am. The word in
Hebrew is hanani and it literally means I am here,
I am in your presence. I am Like you're totally boom,
(19:52):
this is this is me right here in front of you.
It's just kind of a cool way, which if you
hear that, you see that in multiple different places throughout
the Bible. You see it when when Eli tells Samuel
even like God, you know, when when he thinks he
thinks Eli's calling him and he gets up and goes
He's like, no, no, you're hearing the voice of God.
(20:13):
Just say here, I am hanany And so it's just
a cool way of saying, yes, I am present with
the Lord. So I just I kind of always like
that that terminology was just kind of cool. And then
one other thing that I noticed with this is, you know,
he gets up there, he's about to sacrifice his son,
(20:37):
and when he's told to stop, he looks up and
there's a ram in the thicket. Right. Yeah, So we
got to look at that a couple there's a couple
of ways you could look at that. Was that ram
just did God just magically make that ram appear at
that moment, which I don't choose to believe that that's
(20:59):
the case, or was there a veil over Abraham's eyes
God allowed that to have you know, you have sight.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, it could be either way, I guess, you know.
And also which I don't know how true it is,
but I've been I've heard numerous times that this is
(21:32):
the same area where Jesus was crucified, or it was
like a foreshadowing of Christ getting crucified where he says,
I will provide the sacrifice.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
And your only son too, right, So it's he's he's
kind of giving them a picture ahead of time.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, it's foreshadowing.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
But the the other part I was talking about the veil,
the last little thing of that when he names that
place yahweh yahah or yay era, something like to that effect. Yeah,
it means on this mountain of the Lord, there is sight,
so that veils lifted boom, he sees the sacrifices there.
(22:20):
So there is a definite connection to that being like
the veil being lifted, knowing that, yes, I don't have
to sacrifice my son, but this ram is right there
in front of me. God always provides. He could have
said that God provides, Oh he provided a sacrifice. No,
God allowed him sight to see that in front of
him that God had had provided that sacrifice.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
I think I'm a little all over the place on that,
but I just I'll tell you this. I've been taking
this little course that Hillsdale College does, these free courses
and you can go online. You sign up for a
free account and you can take this free course and
(23:06):
it's like six seven hours long, split up into little sections.
Justin Jackson breaks down the different not all of Genesis,
but major themes throughout Genesis, and he puts it like
he's a he's a literary I think he's an English
teacher most of the time, but he is. He breaks
down the poetry and the and the in the literary
(23:27):
side of it and shows you how the pictures are
really painted. He breaks down I guess it's more of
like a literary context that he gives you so you
actually can see how it's written and the verbiage it
use actually tells half the story. It's not just the
words plaining in here, you know, it's the whole story
that's put out there because of of the way that
(23:51):
the the Hebrew language writes it and depicts it. So
he is a professor in English g but it doubles
up in biblical studies with some of this stuff. But
he can take the language and literally kind of break
it down and show you just paint a whole picture
for you just the way he says it. And it's
(24:12):
such an amazing tool to kind of look through. And
this book right here is the book that he kind
of uses as the companion to it called Genesis Translation
and Commentary by Robert Alter. And this is this is
really good. This book really breaks down, goes through each
(24:33):
section and then it'll have a bunch of points underneath
about what they're saying here and why they're saying it,
what it means, and it's just it's it's really really
well written. I know it was a big side note,
but I think it's really important when we look at
this because you know, we can sit there and read
it at face value and God's going to talk to
us through the scripture. He always is. But man, I
(24:54):
love looking for context and being able to dig in
just that next step a little bit further. Is it
that Proverbs twenty five too, it's a glory of God
to conceal a thing, and it's the gloria kings to
search things out right, So there's so many things that
we can find by looking. But yeah, that dude, he's
top notch and he's got I'll send you the link
(25:15):
to it.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Yeah that's gonna be I'll have to.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
He's got tons there free so on not right.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
There are tons of stuff. There's tons of classes on here.
But I got my first certificate today for finishing.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
The start getting college credits again.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yeah, I got enough of those. I just want to
learn now. I actually want to learn this time around.
I didn't want to learn in college.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah, I hear that. You can add that to your
help you with your documentary. You're doing well.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
The documentary is a little bit. It's taking some twists
and turns in a very positive way, because the whole
goal is for that to be so different than anything
else that's been done that it like an atheist will
start why watching it, and just because it the undertones
are Christian, they won't just turn it off right away.
(26:06):
They I want it to capture everybody. That's the point.
Most these documentaries are made for believers. Most these documentaries
are just and they're great information. But if I'm not
already a believer that's interested in those things, I'm not
gonna watch it.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
No, it might even turn you off to it.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So I'm trying. We're trying to find a way to
paint a picture for people, to show the truth of
what creation is, and to to show that through the
real human experience, that you have a drive, that you
have a creator, that you know you're not an accident
on this planet. You didn't. It's not just a pure
coincidence that you're here created for a reason. You're created
(26:49):
in a fearfully and wonderfully made uh to follow through
on things God has planned for your life. And that's
the whole goal. Is to paint that picture without running
people away just for.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
You know, yeah, without shoving it down their throaty that's yeah,
it's not my goal.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Or being just blunt about You're kind of doing it
in a cryptic ish You're being blunt, but in a crypts.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Cryptic ish way, all right. So and pretty much wraps
that and that, I think, is there anything else on
chapter twenty two.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
You want to hit?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Not? Not really?
Speaker 6 (27:28):
So why don't we jump into chapter twenty three. When
Sarah was one hundred and twenty seven years old, she
died at kirath Arba, which is now called Hebron in
the land of Canaan, where Abraham mourned and wept for her.
Then leaving her body, he said to the Hittite elders here,
I am a stranger and a foreigner among you. Please
(27:48):
sell me a piece of land so I can give
my wife a proper burial. The hit Tits replied to Abraham, listen,
my lord, you are an honored prince among us. Choose
the finest of our tombs and bear her there. No
one will refuse to help you in this way. Then
Abraham bowed low before the hit Tits and said, since
you are willing to help me in this way, be
(28:09):
so kind as to ask Ephron, son of Zohar, to
let me buy his cave at Machpela, down at the
end of his field. I will pay the full price
in the presence of witnesses, so I will have a
permanent burial place for my family. Efron was sitting there
among the others, and he answered Abraham as the others listened,
speaking publicly before all hit Tite elders of the town. No,
(28:32):
my lord, he said Abraham. He said to Abraham, listen
to me, I will give you the field and the
cave here in the presence of my people. I will
give it to you. Go and bury your dead. Abraham
bowed low before the citizens of the land. He replied
to Fron, as everyone listened, no, listen to me, I
will buy it from you. Let me pay full price
for the field so I can bury my dead there.
(28:54):
Efron answered Abraham, my lord, please listen to me. The
land is worth foreigner pieces of silver, but what is
that between friends? Go ahead and bury your dead. So
Abraham agreed to Ephrem's price and paid the amount he
had suggested, four uner pieces of silver and weighed according
to the market standard. The hit Tight elders witnessed the transaction.
(29:15):
So Abraham bought the plot of land belonging to Ephron
at Machpela near my Mare. This included the field itself
and the cave that was in it and all the
surrounding trees. It was transferred to Abraham as his permanent
possession in the presence of the hit Tight elders at
the city gate. Then Abraham buried his wife Sarah there
and Canaan in the cave at Milpah Milpela near my Mare,
(29:41):
also called Hebron. So the field and the cave were
transferred from the hit Tights to Abraham to use as
his permanent burial place. And that's chapter twenty three. Now
I see a couple things in here I don't part
(30:02):
of this is I don't know how much these hit
tits knew because he's he's in the land that God's
promising the Israelites in the long run, right, his descendants
are going to take over that land. These hit tights
know about that covenant. I'm not sure because the way
that they answer him, or the way.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
That they like a lord and a prince a.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Prince among them. But I got a feeling, and it's actually,
like I said, watch that, watch some of this stuff
that the guy's that I've been telling you about that
justin Jackson. But I got a feeling that this is
a little more sarcastic in nature when they're saying it.
Because if you go down to where he's talking to
(30:48):
e Fron, Abraham first asks I just can you ask
Fron if I can buy that cave that front introduces
the land and the cave. He's like, no, no, no, no, no,
We're gonna add all this together. Right. This isn't like
he's doing him a favor. This is a business.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Press the cost on them, so if you want it,
you're gonna pay for it.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
When we get down to four hundred pieces of silver,
that was an exorbitant amount.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I mean, he also says, and what is that amongst friends? Yeah,
like that's it's chump change.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Well, and that's but that's the that's the whole point
is he's change. No this he actually gouged Abraham. But
Abraham said, I'll pay whatever the price is, whatever you want,
well price. And even though he was gouging him, and
and the way that they approached him, and I can
(31:52):
hear this conversation and it's snarky and condescending towards Abraham,
like they're just is a there's already a hatred there
that will eventually, you know, come because of his children. Right,
So we're talking about the land of Canaan and and
(32:12):
and down. You know, this is down through the after
the Exodus, they come in and they just start wiping
out all these other tribes and a lot of those
that come from the other side of the family. Yeah,
so you see that there's a I don't there's already
(32:32):
like an animosity there between them. And I just find
that really interesting that, you know when we read this
stuff and it helps once again, I'm reading the NLT,
so we're looking at a translated, easier to read version.
But I think we mix and we miss some of
the contextual clues. Sometimes when we read some of these
(32:53):
easier to read texts, not saying that they're wrong or
they're inaccurate, but we're not reading it in the Hebrews,
or we're missing some of the It sounds like he's
trying to be really nice to them. Oh, I'll just
give it to you. But really, when you look all along,
why would he say, my lord, listen to me, the
(33:16):
land is worth forurner pieces of silver? But what's that like? Yeah,
he's just saying like, oh, you can have it. Sounds
like he's being nice, but why bring up this?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Is what almost saying like, oh, what's that to me?
I'm filthy rich and you have nothing? What's that? I
ain't what's that? Amongst friends? That's just whatever?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
But it's it's a very it's a very condescending way.
It seems that he's approached well this, here's.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
What they else. I find funny. So it was transferred
to Abraham as his permanent possessions in the presence of
the hit height of the hit tight elders at the
city gate, you're going to make a transaction, where do
you make it? At your office area? You're gonna sit down,
(34:05):
you're gonna write something up. You're gonna you know, at
a at a desk, at a at a lawyer's office,
you know, at the courthouse. Which obviously that's language of
today's world.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
But it's actually interesting almost.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Like we'll just don't even come into city, we'll just
meet you at the gate. It's kicking them out as
they're giving it to them. Just just get out of.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Here, let me see. But that's just kind of kind
of stuck out at me. It's like, why would they
do it at the gate.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
There's a thing you here talking about. I read this earlier.
Okay here, so.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Hmm.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
It says, in the hearing of the hit sights all
assembled in the gate of his town legal businesses. I'm sorry,
legal business was conducted in the gateway. The men assembled
there constitute.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Kind of like an altar kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
It's not like a kind of town calend It's.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Not an altar, but like an arbor.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Yes, something to that effect. So it's a Scholarship has
abundantly observed that the actual language used by Afrom and
Abraham and the narrator bristles with the set terms familiar
from other ancient near Eastern documents for the conveyance of property,
meaning that a lot of times the gateway was where
(35:40):
these things were actually performed, which I never ever would
have thought that until I read that today.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
That's pretty wild, I guess what I was trying to say,
like the threshold. Yeah, how back in the day the
threshold was and now it's kind of more like your
hearth on your fireplace, but originally it was like the
threshold of your house. Yeah, that's that's wild.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
But yeah, that I think that's really interesting. But I
think and that's if you see, you know, Abraham throughout
the text, he's like, I'm a stranger in a foreign land, right,
He's in a place where he doesn't feel welcome. Obviously,
he doesn't feel like he's part of there, even though
it's an out. But God's taken him there to show
him this is the land that has been promised to
(36:36):
his his his descendants. And I don't know, it's just
it's cool because God always seems to have a story
within a story that's pointing towards the next story. And
the way that he that God tells a story, everything
is is interconnected, it's woven together, and the text always
(36:58):
strengthens the text down the way right. Yeah, you talked
about with the symbolism between him going to sacrifice Isaac
is a lot like Okay, you're gonna give up your son,
and the and the and the verbage said over and
over again, even though it wasn't truly his only son, said,
his only son, his only son, right, the verbage is
(37:18):
showing yet, you're going to sacrifice your only son. And
it was a it was a mirror image of what
Jesus eventually did for us on the cross. So he
paints those pictures, he gives us hints, this is what's coming.
He's he's showing us the the future of of our salvation.
(37:41):
But he does it in little snippets and little pictures
that a lot of times we don't see until you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, And it's even as you grow in your faith.
Like when I was sixteen years old, I've been like,
whatever he bought some land, Okay, cool? Next, you know,
why am I even reading this? But now as we've
grown a little bit, it's okay, you know, and it
even gets more interesting. You know, back then, like I
(38:11):
don't what is this even talking about? You know, but
like the Gate, just like we discussed about the Gate,
like he would have you know, unless you dig into
it and look at it and kind of figure it out,
then it's like, okay, so you know, it shows that
they're actually an actual culture. It's just not some guy randomly.
(38:35):
You know. It was in front of all the elders,
so it was a legitimate purchase. It wasn't like he
could go back and say, oh, he just took the land,
that's illegitimate. Blood Ever, it's like having a notary. Yeah,
it's like proving okay, yep, you're right, all the elders
were there.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
And we still use that on on forums. Right, you
feel something, you need a witness, so you always have
a witness sign off on things just to prove it happened.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
But it's pretty wild.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
I love it. I tell you. Every time we get
into Genesis and we look at things and I read
these you know, I've read this before. I know these stories.
We know about this, but I've never thought of the
fact until more recently, going through those courses and whatnot,
actually thinking Isaac, like, how is one hundred and some
year old dude overpowering a you know, a kid and
(39:30):
tying them up and throw them on the altar, unless
Abraham's just jacked, you know what I mean, Like, I
mean like, how are you overpowering this kid? And then
the kid's just like all right, Like if I'm that
twelve year old kid, he ties me up, throws me
on the altar, I'm rolling off. I'm trying to get
wherever I can to get away and trying to run
back home to Mama to protect me. But he was
(39:51):
a willing participant, he was part of it. He was
showing his faith as well. And I think that's such
a cool way to to see that it wasn't just
this isn't just Abraham, because the Covenant continues on through
Isaac and eventually through Jacob and through the twelve tribes
that come from him. So and it does say, and
(40:15):
we read through that that all nations will be blessed
because of that all nations.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
So he's also, yeah, it's always it was his faith
to do that particular event is what sparked. You know,
if say, if he didn't go through with it, well
then what what would have happened? Then? You know it
(40:42):
was is actually okay, Well, like you're saying like David, Well,
I ain't king yet, so let's give her a whirl
and see what happens. So that's pretty durn wild, all
right man.
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