Sula Lael: Overcoming Trauma Through Divine Encounter
In this powerful episode, Dan Duval sits down again with Sula Lael to dive deep into her supernatural encounters with Jesus and her journey of healing from ritual abuse and trafficking. Sula shares transformative experiences encounters with the throne room, the heart of the Father, the Tree of Life, and even dancing among the stars with God. She opens up about the difference between legalistic religion and intimate, redemptive relationship with Jesus Christ. Sula also details how God healed and delivered her from deep trauma, broke the programming of hell, and equipped her to minister from the heart of the Father. This episode will expand your understanding of the spiritual realm and awaken hunger for deeper intimacy with God.
Sula's Website: https://www.sulalael.com/
In this powerful episode, Dan Duval sits down again with Sula Lael to dive deep into her supernatural encounters with Jesus and her journey of healing from ritual abuse and trafficking. Sula shares transformative experiences encounters with the throne room, the heart of the Father, the Tree of Life, and even dancing among the stars with God. She opens up about the difference between legalistic religion and intimate, redemptive relationship with Jesus Christ. Sula also details how God healed and delivered her from deep trauma, broke the programming of hell, and equipped her to minister from the heart of the Father. This episode will expand your understanding of the spiritual realm and awaken hunger for deeper intimacy with God.
Sula's Website: https://www.sulalael.com/
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Speaker 2 (02:09):
When I fully surrendered my life to the Lord, like
I needed to encounter more on Heaven's side than I
ever did on hellside. I experienced so much of Hell.
Oh my realms of Hell, demonic realms. I've seen Jesus
puel cancer. I've seen Jesus get brand new hearts. One
time I got to see him raise the dead. I
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was having an encounter with the Lord. I saw him
with me under the tree, and I'm like experiencing his glory. Really,
the focus was like being with Jesus. I realized we
were like leaning up against and under what was the
tree of life in Heaven.
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Discovering Truth with Dan Duval and I am sitting again
with Soula Layl, who is a transformation strategist, trafficking survivor expert,
and empowerment consultant committing to empowering and equipping individuals, nonprofits
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and service providers in the anti trafficking movement. She's a friend,
she is a survivor of trafficking herself and is overcome
to become an author trainer. You have several websites, take
Flight Survivors dot org and Sula Layl dot com. Yes,
(04:25):
so glad, to have you.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Thank you, thank you for having me back.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, we got into a whole lot of things
the last time you were here, and things about your
experience but being programmed experiences between the physical and the
spiritual worlds. You talked a whole lot about how Jesus
has been all the difference in your life. And so
(04:52):
you wrote a book. It's called The outa Shamed Bride.
I want to start by cracking into that a little bit.
And so what was the inspiration of the book that
he wrote.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, So one of the greatest revelations that not only
helped me to get free but stay free was knowing
Jesus as bridegroom and understanding the reality of his kingdom.
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Those two things right there, because it's so different like
to know the Lord as a friend or as a
servant or as there's so many other relational dynamics, because
he can be available to really whatever people are open
to relationally or wherever they're at in their life. But
when that relationship progresses from not just savior, deliver, healer,
(05:49):
friend to bridegroom, that is where I've found like the
highest place of power and authority in the spirit realm
and really just also the encounters that I've had with him,
(06:09):
like experiencing his glory and his presence in ways that
I just never knew before experienced before I understood that
he could be a bridegroom and that I, not just
the body of Christ, could be his bride.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So so I think I want to spend some time
talking about encounter. Now, this is an interesting word, and
I mean Christians all over the map on this one, right.
And one of the beautiful things about what we've done
in bride ministries is that I've seen a lot of
people come out of very stale, uh, encounterless Christian experience
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and and and the spiritual senses get opened up over time,
like we we are. We see that, we map that
and it's very exciting and it's very healing and redemptive. Now, Uh,
there are people that have a lot of demonic encounter
they come to Christ and then the Jesus encounter realm
is very small or almost non existed. I've even met
(07:09):
Christians I say, well, only occultists have encounter realms in
the spirit world and the astro plane, this and that.
But Christians, you're not supposed to have those. You're supposed
to have faith and it's it's what so, But I
want to ask you this question. I mean, how old
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were you came to when you came to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So I first met him at sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You met him sixteen.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It was in a legalistic church. But I recommitted my
life to him or surrendered fully when I was twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Four, surrendered fully a twenty four And that was at
the end of your trafficking, seizing and quotation incredible And
so was there for a time from twenty four or
on where you weren't having encounters with God.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Actually, it's been fully encountering the Lord the whole time. Yes, Yes,
because I experienced so much of Hell, oh my realms
of Hell, demonic realms, locations in the spirit. I've experienced
so much of that that when I fully surrendered my
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life to the Lord and just like rededicated my life
to him, it was like I needed to encounter more
on Heaven's side than I ever did on Hell side.
That's the only thing that would keep me. It had
to be better over here than everything else I experienced.
And I think because I had so many experiences in
the spirit realm, even as someone that was a believer
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because I got saved at sixteen, but I was still
dealing with you know, working out so much of my
healing journey. But like I had experienced so much in
the spirit realm that I couldn't I didn't come into
when I read the Bible. I was reading the Bible
with the understanding that the spirit realm is real because
I had been experiencing it ever since I was, you know,
a baby. So reading about spiritual gifts, reading about is
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he being snatched up by his hair and taken to
places in the spirit realm and told to prophesy certain things,
like all of that type of stuff, you know, the
Book of Revelation being you know, a door opening and
being caught up into a heavenly all of that stuff.
Was like, this makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It made sense to you.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
This all makes so much set.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It doesn't make sense to everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Hopefully we can help some people out today.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well that's the goal, really, because this is the thing, right,
I think what we're going to get to is this
fact and correct me if I'm wrong. The encounter realm
with Jesus Christ is a redemptive experience for survive of
trauma backgrounds.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, yes, I mean because I had to know that
the word that I was the Bible, the word that
I'm reading isn't just a book. If it was just
a book, forget the whole thing. Just a book would
not bring healing, deliverance, deprogramming and freedom. Like there's just
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no way when I would read the Bible. When I
read the Bible, I experience it like I see it,
I hear it. I like all of my senses are engaged,
Like the Word of God is living and alive. So
when I'm reading it, it's almost like a movie screen.
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And sometimes it's like living in the movie of it
or living in the word, like I experience the word
of God. Jesus is the Word of God. So for me,
it just got really beautiful and really fun. And I
learned about like childlike faith, like Jesus said, you want
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to enter into the kingdom, like humble yourself, dramatically change
the way you think and become like this child. Then
you can come and you know, experience the Kingdom of God.
It is first like address of preaching about the kingdom realm.
He says, blessed are the poor and spirit like theirs
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is the kingdom. So we have to like approach him
like I know nothing outside of you, like I know
nothing outside of you, Jesus here everything. And that was
really my approach and and so I think because of that,
and that's available for everybody. You don't have to be
a sex trafficking survivor or complex trauma survivor ritual abuse
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survivor to encounter the Lord this way. This is available
for everybody. But it's just like I was able to
go on adventures in the Word and experience Jesus and
the Father and the Holy Spirit and even angels the
good kind that Jesus is the commander in chief over
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you know, you gotta make things clear sometimes for the people.
You gotta help the people to back. But but these
adventures in reading the Word and in God's presence, you know,
like what I started seeing was like I would sometimes
I would encounter him like I'm just in prayer or something,
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and I would experience something that I'm thinking, like like
the like mind blown, like whoa, what is this? And
then afterwards he'll show me that's in the scripture. Yeah,
And then sometimes I'm reading the scripture and then I'll
experience it. But it's always so interesting to like go
into an encounter with the Lord and experience someplace in heaven.
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And then he's like shows you in the scripture and
you're like.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
What, yes, yes, that's exactly there means.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
A dimension of the Word of God. It's just like
it's it's so fun. And so I feel like any
person that's a Christian that's like bored and fallen asleep
reading their Bible, there is a really great invitation today
to experience more.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, and you know, I mean I personally have a
few sensitivities towards people that have been programmed in rituals
with the Bible, sure, because that does cause some complications, sure,
with reading the Bible for those individuals. And I understand
that we but the good news is you could break
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the programming, yes, and get your invitation, because the invitation
has already been issued. And and I want to ask
you this. Have you had people give you a hard
time over your encounter realm? Have you like had the
experience where you went to open your mouth and say,
look at what God has shown me and it is
people smash you with religion?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh definitely, oh man, yeah, oh yes, Dan, But there
have been people, But I understand where it's coming from.
I understand that usually those attacks or those you know,
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all of that nonsense really comes from either a legalistic mindset,
like that person was maybe born and raised in a
church without power, without presence, without seeing anybody healed or
delivered or set free, And that's just their context. And
so it's a mindset or or it's a religious spirit
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that that they either have or is talking to them.
I don't want to say everybody that challenges, you know,
people experiencing heaven, you know, has that spirit inside of them,
but certainly they're listening to it somewhere because it is
the legalistic pharisee sad to see religious spirit and or
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mindset that prevents people from experiencing the Kingdom of Heaven.
And Jesus was very clear about that. Jesus didn't even
like when people thought that way around him. One of
the most beautiful stories to me is when the woman
that was a known prostitute in the streets, like she
had a reputation and likely that was sex trafficking. Right,
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could have been, could have been by choice, could have
been by force, we don't know, but she was known
in the streets for prostitution and came into the religious
leader's house and breaks open her alabaster box and she's
just worshiping Jesus. And the religious leader who owned the
house starts thinking it says he's thinking within himself. He
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doesn't even say it out loud. He's thinking, oh, if
this man was really a prophet, Like he can't be
a prophet because he would know that the type of
woman that's touching him. And Jesus corrected him for his
thoughts on site and like schooled him in front of
everybody in his own house. M He's like, basically, you
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do not even go think that way around me. And
who loves me more? By the way, you know, she's
been forgiven of much. She's you haven't even given me
the customary kiss or the greeting. You haven't even offered
to help wash my feet. She's washing my feet with
her tears. She won't stop kissing me since I've come in, Like, so, really,
who's who's in a Like he just breaks it all
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the way down and really, that's that's this Jesus that
we're talking about, is the one that loves people that
have stories and backgrounds, Like like he's so he is
dazzling and splendor and glory. Yet he is so approachable.
Come on, he's so approachable.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So tell me about your throne room encounter.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I so I've had a few times. It's like a
I feel like when the Lord opens up a heavenly
place to encounter, it's something that you can continue to experience. Yes,
So like that scripture that says he gives his gifts
without repentance, I think it's a gift for a heavenly
realm to be open. And so I've had many of
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like going into the Throne room, and as I referenced earlier,
like we see that in you know, John had that
encounter in the Throne Room and recorded it by way
of the Holy Spirit for us to see and read
an experience. And so I've had multiple experiences of like
of being in the throne room, of worshiping in the
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throne room, of dancing before Father in the Throne room,
of just of experiencing like the glory of God, like
the lightnings that flash from his throne, and like the
electric like electrifying glory of God. And for me encountering
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my Father in the Throne room, what that did was
and I started to track this, I started to notice
what God was doing. Encountering him was part of my
deprogramming process. So the word of God and then encountering
heavenly realms was part of like redeeming and deprogramming. So
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that Throne room encounter completely trashed and throughout the rotating
and spinning of my soul as a toddler and opening
up the realm of hell, to me, it was so
much higher. It was so much more real and beautiful,
and there was like healing, Like every time I've encountered
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Heaven there's been healing and freedom, and it's like once
you taste and see of His goodness, once you experience it,
it's like everything else pales in comparison. It's like who
even cares about that? It's so insignificant, It's so small
in comparison to encountering the Throne Room of God. And
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so I've had several times of being brought into the
Throne Room of Heaven, of praying, of worshiping in that place,
of experiencing different manifestations of His glory in that place,
and He basically overrode and crushed the programming of Hell.
Of experiencing the realms of hell.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
In another conversation or other conversation, you were explaining how
you actually did deal with a fake Jesus encounters of
a fallen nature where he was abusing you. I deal
with a lot of folks that have had that same
thing right where they're overcoming. I call it the false
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Trinity Jesus. Fake Jesus is one of them. You can
also have a fake Father. Yes, it might even be
satan like or fake Holy Spirit, and they abuse and mistreat,
and then there is borrowed projection like that borrow projection,
but there's a projection on the true and living God
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from that abuse scenario with the demonic entities or whatever.
Those sources of pain are working under that false trinity, guys,
and that can be very, very hindering for some people
on the encounter real And what I want to highlight
is you had that, and you had encounter. We're just
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tapping into it now. What allowed you to override that
faked Jesus encounter to step into this with God personally?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
For me, it was getting to know who He really is,
and it was my obsession of the Word of God.
So like when I fully surrendered my life to Jesus
on the Malibu mansion bathroom floor of a prince from
Equatorial Guinea that I was sold to the last person
I was sold to. When I surrendered and invited Jesus,
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and I went into what I call a god cave season,
where like literally every day, all day, I was reading
my Bible. I was reading and experiencing the Word of God.
And so for me, the false Jesus would really try
to show up and mess up my ability to encounter
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the Lord. But what's started happening was I would I
would make scripture lists on topics because I had to
try and like sort out like what's true. And I
know this sounds very elementary, but this is it really
helped me. So, like I made a scripture list of
like everything that the Word says about who Jesus is,
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and and I would like memorize and study and like
pray and pray those things out about the Father, about Jesus,
about Holy Spirit. And I had to do some I repented,
for I renounced and broke agreement with the false one,
and he tried to keep coming back around it, like
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showing up in my dreams and stuff like that. It
was like he tried to keep pushing past that, but
eventually I think what happened was that my encountering the
true Jesus, my faith in the true Jesus, and my
continued hard stance on rejecting the false and shutting up
the false, not listening to the false. Like however many
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times I needed to reject that and be like nope,
and come to the true. That process of getting to
know Jesus, who the Word says that he is, and
encountering him and seeing having glimpses of seeing him, and
like experiencing the purity of his love and how there
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is nothing twisted, perverted or sexual about the true Jesus,
like nothing at all. He is holy, it is pure,
it is beautiful. And so the more I encountered the
real thing, it was like the counterfeit. It was very
clear that there was no value and nothing to the counterfeit,
like even like money or like once you know how
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to tell that it's real money, you could pick up
on the counterfeit and shut it down and like you're like, nah,
you know, and so but it was like a discipline, Yes,
I say discipline in the beautiful sense of the word,
like every time, every time something that was false would
try it was no, it was coming back to the word.
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And there's a scripture that says, to know the truth
that's what really sets to you free. Like to not
just the truth set to you free, but knowing the truth,
really knowing, comprehending and understanding the truth is what sets
us free. And so like the truth, encountering and knowing
and experiencing the truth helped to shut down and bring
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freedom from the false.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
So tell me about your encounter with the heart of God.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That was why. And this this might blow some people's theology,
but hey, it's all discoveragey Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Go away to We're there for it. So can I
tell you something I got. I got in trouble. I
got in trouble, Yes, because a couple of years ago
I had to retire a phrase, Oh y'all, ain't ready.
That phrase got me in trouble because my whole audience
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started they would rebel.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
They said, we are ready, stop it, Dan, stop it,
don't say it. I don't want to hear it again.
And I had to take orders I did, so I
retired that term. I don't say it anymore.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We're ready, right, Oh, that's so awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
That's so that's so so awesome. So I was there
are different times where like the Lord would have me
praying on different prayer watches, right, meaning like different times
a day where he's like, I want to meet with
you at this time. So I was in a season
where I was waking up in the middle of the night,
like I would sleep a little bit, then I would
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wake up in the middle of the night and spend
time with the Lord. And I think there's a lot
of reasons why he had me doing that for you know, intercession,
for a lot of different things. But during that season,
I was really learning like the prayer posture of waiting
on the Lord, like all my this is not like
all the petitions and praying and asking and seeking and knocking.
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It's just like I'm just here God to just experience
whatever you want, Like whatever you want to show me,
whatever you want to say to me. I just want
to be with you. And so I was just like
waiting in his presence. And it was about like two
and a half hours go by of like I'm trying
to discipline myself in this prayer posture, right, and you're
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like falling asleep, Okay, no, I'm right, like you know,
I'm gonna And so after about two and a half hours,
I started seeing this. It was like a pinkish light
and a purplish blue light zip around and in the
natural in my house, like zipping around. And then this
is this may sound a little graphic, but this is
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how it happened. It was like it turned into what
it looked like and almost like an artery in the thing,
but it's like and scoop down and pulled me up.
And and then the Lord Jesus was right there and
welcome me into the heart of the Father. And so
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I was seated next to the Lord in his heart,
and I could like hear the heart of the Father,
and he said, from now on, this is the place
you will prophesy from. You will prophesy from the heart
of the Father, from the love, and and it just
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felt I could just feel like the tangible like love
of God. And so I just like spent time. Really
it was just resting in his love, resting like in
the heart of the Father. And I didn't even know
that there's scriptures about that, but there's actually scriptures that
talk about running into the heart of God. Yes, I
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had no clue because I'm like, you know, sometimes when
you're encountering something, you're kind of like, not to biblical
if you've ever asked, oh, you know, just like cutting
up and being funny. But it's like, whoa, that was
so wild. I'd never heard of that before, but it
transformed me because from then on, I truly like when
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I would hear God's voice for people, it was just
I don't know, there's more clarity, more precision, more it's
it's it's a different type of building up, equipping, prophesying,
and couraging it like when it's from the heart of
the Father. And so then after that encounter, I found
two scriptures regarding being inside of the heart of God,
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and I was like, oh my goodness, like, whoa, it's
right there. And then later in life I've heard of
others that have encountered something similar of being brought into
the heart of the Father, inside the heart of God.
I was like, Okay, I guess this is just something
you do God. This is wild.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So yeah, it's it's it's incredible. One of the things
that I came out with years ago, and this this
actually feels like old revelation, but it's not it's just
it's just profound, right. But this was early for me.
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One of the major foundation points. God started to highlight
to me all throughout the New Testament, every place that
it's said in Christ. And I did a study because
it was just like, look at it. And so I
went from the beginning to the end of the New
Testament and over and over and over and over and over,
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you will see this in Christ, in Him, in Jesus.
And I started to contemplate that because you know a
lot of Christians have this. We're down here and God's
up here. Holy art thou o Lord, and I I am,
you know, barely qualified by your grace, and so we
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are putting this separation. And this was the ultimate collapse
of that. As I went through this study and we
created a whole course on it. Eventually this it's on
our Bride Ministry's institute. But as I went through, I
began to just use this term. I call it hotel Jesus. Yes,
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I call it hotel Jesus because I'm like, you can
come to the door of the hotel and step inside
the foyer. Yeah, but if that's as far as you get,
you have not explored the realm. Yeah, you have not
explored the realm. But everything that Jesus is leading his
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heart can be engaged with through an encounter, just by intent.
That is us saying, we want to explore this part
of you with you, whether it's your righteousness or your goodness,
or your victory or your stewardship, like everything that Jesus has.
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So I started doing that that I'm like, well, I
want to explore this and and and all of the
names of God and all like it's all found in him.
So then I started saying, Jesus is the realm of
his own kingdom. And so anyway, I'm gonna pause here because.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's so good. Oh Jesus, Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's incredible, and it makes What makes me sad is
that there are so many like I have been mirrored
for the way I communicate on what we can have
with God. I mean absolutely called every kind of name
in the book. And to me sad that there are
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so many people that are so committed to something that
is so far beneath with Jesus died to give us. Remember,
and here I am sitting with you. You were dancing on
the stars with the Father. All right, talk to me
about that.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So that's one that actually started. The encounter started in
the throne room and and and Jesus was there, and
I could tell it was like a bride a bridegroom
encounter just because of like like the disposition of Jesus
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and like the fire in his eyes and the I
don't know, I just just could tell. And but also
heavenly Father was there, and so it was like I
got to have the first dance with my father. It
was like a wedding like celebration, like I got to
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have the first dance with my father. And and this
is before I had read in Psalms like about the
stars all having names and stuff like that, or I
may have read it but read past it, like never
really paid too much attention to it. And so from
the throne room, the father said, may I have this dance.
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There's a lot of redemption happening here in this encounter.
And so then he takes me and he's and he's
holding me, and I'm dancing with my father and he's
taking me throughout like space and time like this is
like it felt like it was like outside of time,
ancient of days, like dancing with my father who loves
(34:03):
me so much and is just so delighted to be
with me and dancing with me because I'm married to
his son or marrying his son. And as we would
dance and like leap, we would be like on a star,
and it was like it was like there was like
this warmth in this knowing like of the star's name,
(34:27):
and it was like whoa. And so we are just
like dancing like outside of time in space, and like
like he just took me all over dancing and and
then of course after again after I'm pinding, Oh my gosh,
the stars have names, they make sounds, they release my
brain like all of this stuff, and I got to
(34:48):
experience that with him. Now. Remember like in our previous podcast,
and anyone's that's missed that one, we'll have to go
back and watch it. But the redemption that was happening was,
you know, when I was a toddler and the Disney
Princess programming, I had to take my clothes off, I
had to dance, and that came back in my life
(35:10):
another time that we didn't talk about where I was
in the strip industry and stuff like that. I don't
think we went too much into that, but my father
was redeeming that horrible stuff that had been done to me,
and even the sin that I engaged in through self
exploitation in the strip industry later in life. He was
redeeming so many things all at once. He was taking
(35:34):
me throughout the spirit realm because I had been wounded
and hurt and trafficked in the spirit realm, and I
got to be with my father and all a creation
was aware that he he was dancing with me, that
he loves me, and it was just such a beautiful like.
(35:56):
I mean, I think I was like wrecked in the glory,
just like a laid prostrate. I don't even know how
many hours when I had that encounter, Like I was
like messed up for days, and the best way possible
because there were so many things that he was redeeming
and deprogramming and removing and getting out of me and
off of me. But he was also serving notice in
(36:17):
the spirit realm that I am his daughter and he
loves me, and that Jesus Yeshua is my bridegroom. So
I got to have the first dance with my father.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That is so powerful. Wow, is this in your book?
By the way, that.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
One's not some of the things that we're sharing are
just yeah, no, that one's I don't think that one's
in my book.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
This is for this is exclusive exclusive. Oh my, oh
my gosh. Let me tell you something I want to know.
Now you wrote this down. Now I've seen this the
healing room. Yes, I've seen these before. Yeah, I mean okay,
(37:07):
so and I've seen different different kinds. What was your
encounter with the healing room?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So for me, it was when I, you know, I
really started stepping into understanding the Kingdom of Heaven, which,
by the way, when I first started learning about this,
I felt so bamboozled by every church I'd ever attended
in the past that never talked about the Kingdom Realm
or the Kingdom of Heaven. So I was like, this
is like sick same good news. I can live from
(37:38):
this realm, go for it.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I'm getting triggered. But because but this is I'm trying
to interview you, because I'm about to go on a
whole talk to me. Nobody told me why not? What
are we missing? Like the whole New Testament?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Are we missing the gospel that Jesus preached it?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
It was it was me.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He preached this everywhere he went.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
That's all I preached the Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
The Kingdom of God is like this, stories, allegories, parables,
The Kingdom of Hean is like this. It's like this.
He wasn't just talking about farming people. No, he was
explaining the reality of the Kingdom of Heaven. So anyways,
I felt, I was like, how have I been saved
or known Jesus for so many years and no one
ever told me? I just I had to work through that.
(38:24):
I was actually upset at first, but also in delight
and joy. It was you know, I had to work
through it. But yeah, so starting to encounter the Kingdom
of Heaven, it got really fun to step out and
pray for people for healing miracles. And not only did
he heal and restore my body, my mind, my soul,
(38:47):
all the mental health diagnoses were dropping off, you know,
and I've experienced healing, deliverance, deprogramming in my own body
in life. But then I realized, oh, wow, we get
to do this for others, so we don't have to
just say, oh, sister so and so, I'm praying for
you and then maybe pray labor later and never check
up if they actually got healed, like we can actually
(39:08):
see healing happen like Jesus said. I mean, Jesus says
it and demonstrates it everywhere. But so when I started
stepping out and childlike faith, like like okay, Lord, like
who are you healing today? What do you want to
do today? And sometimes he would give words of knowledge
of things he wanted to heal, and that would come
by like a vision or a picture or something like that,
(39:30):
or just like a like an inner knowing of what
he wanted to heal. And so one, so there were
times where I would be, like, you know, ministering in services,
and I looked up and I saw body parts coming
out of a realm in heaven and like coming down
(39:50):
and then like hovering over people. And then that's how
I knew. I was like the Lord's giving you a
new and then he would do it come on and
so it's like you see it in the heavenly realm,
and then it gets when when partnered with faith, it
can now be demonstrated into the natural realm. So I
(40:12):
have seen Jesus. I've seen Jesus heal like branding, occult
ritual markings, removed tattoos. I've seen Jesus heal cancer. I've
seen Jesus give brand new hearts where valves there was
valve issues. I've seen Jesus heal kidneys. I've seen Jesus
(40:34):
one time. I got to see him raise the dead
one time.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And I was praying from a distance too. I wasn't
even in person. What an intercessor amazing woman of woman
of God. What she So she's in the hospital and
I get the call from her son and the family's
freaking out and they're like she like she's dead, like
she died. They couldn't help her, and they're all freaking out.
(41:05):
And I heard Matthew ten and I like, immediately I hurt.
So I just there was like a knowing like this
is not her time. Yes, there was a knowing yes,
And so I was like, So I just started praying
in the Holy Spirit, declaring the word of God over
and over. No, Jesus, you give us the authority and
the power to heal the sick, you know, cast out demons,
(41:25):
cleansos with leprosy, raise the dead.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
No.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
And I just start declaring, declaring, declaring. So the family
is on the way to the hospital. They get to
the hospital there. Of course, the family is all a mess, right,
and the doctors had declared her as declared her as dead,
and so they already at this point have made arrangements
for the body to be picked up and removed from
(41:49):
the room. The family's all there, and then I'm like,
put me on speaker in that room when you get there.
We're no, she is no, she will live, she will
not die. And so and so we just became declaring
like like wake up, like wake up, you will not die,
(42:10):
you will live, to declare the glory of the Lord.
And sure, the doctors you know, when they came back
in the room, like now, all of a sudden, she's
not dead, she's starting to move, and they're like having
to rehook stuff, and I'm getting calls, you know in
(42:34):
Texas like we're all just like it's like in complete shock.
But at the same time, we were believing in faith, yes,
and so they had to tell the people come in
and get the body. We don't need you anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
WHOA, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
And so yeah, so I just and it's not just
like this has nothing to do with anybody being more
special or more holy or more gifted or more anything
like this is just part of the reality of the
Kingdom of Heaven, that healing miracles are possible. That when
we truly believe and stand in faith and follow his
(43:16):
voice and his instruction, like, we can see healing. And
so I just think it's so cool that there are
things that exist in heaven and when we see it
and hear his voice and know it, we can grab
hold of that and speak it out and declare it
just like our Papa, just like our father, we can
(43:37):
speak it into existence and then from the heavenly realm
it comes into the natural realm, and now the person
has a new uterus. Now the person has a heart
that works. Now the doctors are saying, well, maybe maybe
it was just we don't understand what's happening, but the
spots on the kidneys are gone. We don't understand it,
(44:02):
but you know, and so Jesus is still doing healing
miracles today. And so that's one of the things one
of the joys of encountering heavenly realms is like and
I also had to learn dan that people hear God's
voice in different ways and for me, like I'll see
before I hear and so so like when I was
(44:25):
learning about God's voice, people would always say, well, what
you hear him saying? I'd be like, I don't really
hear anything, yeah, and I'd be trying to like get
the pictures out, Oh Sue, I gotta hear. It's like
he's I know, I get He's like the Jerebiah. What
do you see U? An almond branch? Like water? Am
(44:45):
I hungry? Lord? Am I making for dinner? It's like no,
it's a whole prophetic word for the nation. It's like
he's showing you something. So anyway, I think that people
when they're learning about hearing God's voice and exploring heavenly
round like being open to letting the Lord show you
what he wants to show you. And then once you
see that thing, grab hold of that thing with faith
(45:06):
as led by him and just believe that if he
showed it to you, he intends to do something with it.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And that's the thing about encounter. Encounter builds faith.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yes, yes, yes, you know a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Of people don't understand faith because what they want to
do is get such a strong cognitive idea that they
feel confident to call it faith. But it just sits
up here heavier than the other thought that says up here.
I believe faith is a matter of the heart. It's
(45:39):
actually the subconscious conviction. It's a conviction that sits there
when you're not thinking about it, and that is built
into us. That's actually built in I believe it's a
heavenly program. It's when we begin to see in the
realm of our own heart, the reality of God's kingdom
more robust than whatever fall in reality we're confronted by yeah,
(46:03):
and then we'd pull on that and it's almost natural
by the time it's really working. But the only way
to make that realm reel is to spend time in it,
which is encounter. Yes, it's encounter. So so like for me,
you know, it's interesting you said, you know you see
(46:26):
before you hear. I know before I see. So it's
for me that was something that I had to learn
as well, like because I spent a lot of time,
you know, And what I found is it's actually pretty
common for survivors of trauma and exploitation to see in
(46:46):
the spirit more easily than others. And I've gone through
different seasons in my life where like I would have
a season of visions in Christ and then it would
just turn off, and then I would But my standard
is I actually feel it first. But if I trust
and I had learned this, if I trust what I
feel as that like a knower, then the knower realm
(47:10):
expands into a full blown encounter of sight and hearing
and everything else. And so you're right, people need to
learn how God speaks to them individually, because one person's
encounter is not disqualify someone else's. And that's I think
(47:30):
there's almost like one on one. It's so important. So
what's this about the riches of his glory?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
So there is this, you know. One time, I'm like
in prayer, in worship, you know, and all of a
sudden I'm with Jesus in heaven and he says, welcome
to as riches in glory.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
And this is gonna be funny. This is gonna sound funny.
But I see things like land, I see things like
a plane. I see small things like the smallest thing
that I was aware of was sprinkles for a like
a birthday cupcake. I know, And I'm like, and then
(48:25):
so I'm seeing these different things.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
My son loves sprinkles in his riches.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
In glory, and I'm like, whoa. And but when I
would look at something, I could hear the prayers or
or like see the need or like what was in
the earth putting a demand on that thing. And like
there was like like a child that was like really
wanted sprinkles on their on their cupcakes. But that seems
(48:49):
like a small thing, but the family didn't have a
lot of money for extra stuff, Like they wanted cupcakes
with sprinkles for their birthday and it was available in
heaven like and to me, that just showed me like
how he cares about the big things, but he also
knows the number of hair on our heads, and he
also cares about the things that are little or maybe
little to others, but they're a big thing for a child.
(49:10):
And so he said, So when I was looking around,
I was like whoa. And I saw things like gold
and all kinds of stuff up there and he and
he said, this is where provision comes from. And it
was obviously a faith realm reality in heaven. And there
(49:30):
are scriptures that say He provides everything that we need
according to his riches and glory. Well, prior to actually
going there, I didn't know that His riches and Glory
is an actual place within heaven, but it is a realm.
So when the Word says he provides everything according to
His riches and Glory, he's referencing a location in the
(49:52):
spirit room in heaven. That that's where provision comes from,
like by faith, Like everything that we need is actual available,
and so when we're praying or we're believing in faith,
or we're you know, continuing, it's like it already exists
and it's a real place. So that would be a
fun adventure for anybody that's willing to take a trip.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Every Christian needs to take this trip. Yes, it's amazing
how that changes perspective because of what people will do.
People will be like, oh, I need something. I see
a good opportunity over there in my mind, Lord, I'm
(50:36):
going to do this, so bless it. And then they
pursue and sometimes it doesn't make sense at all, and
sometimes it's actually a really bad idea. And yet you know,
people can be so like three D. Those are because
they don't see the realm. It's not real. It's an idea.
(51:00):
It's words on a page. When one sees it. I
had an encounter years ago actually wrote about this in
my book Higher Dimensions, Parallel Dimension and the Spirit Mouse. Similar,
not quite the same, but similar. And I was in
what I believed at the end of a two day
(51:21):
encounter was my heavenly mansion.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
So that's fun.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, it was like my mansion to fossil. But
it's like an estate.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
So there's a lot there, and there was you know,
I mean grass and trees and the whole like lake
area and like all kinds of other stuff. And yes,
there is a house there and other facilities. And so
one of the facilities was like a big warehouse and
it was just full of wealth, like like gold and
(51:49):
jewels and treasures and like I was like a lot
of wealth and and so in my encounter, this was
the first day, I didn't know where I was, so
I thought, this is the storehouse of God.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Then the next day when the encounter continued, because I
got pulled into the same realm two days in a row,
I'm looking at that and Jesus was like, oh, no,
this isn't mind, it is yours. This is for your calling,
what I called.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
You to do.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
I have these allocations set aside for every one of
my children and what I called them to do. No,
And I was like, because I was looking at the
vastness of this thing, I was like, by like countries
with this. Yeah, it's so much. We don't realize without
(52:42):
Encounter Soula that we are serving the superior God, with
the superior kingdom and superior resources. And it blows my
mind because I mean a lot of fear based Christians,
they're so obsessed with what the devil is getting away
with that they make their entire life an exploit to
complain about it. That's that's their whole platform is, let's
(53:05):
find ways to discover and then complain about what the
devil is doing. Encounter liberates us from that completely. It's like, oh,
I'll look, I have a whole different perspective.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yes, so true. And by the way, we're not talking
about name it and claim it and like prosperity Gospel
talking about that. We're just we just happen to be
talking about the fact that heavens, like the dust in
heaven is gold. Come on, the streets are gold, the
dirt is actually gold, like the foundations are dim stu.
So it's like, our father is pretty extravagant.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
He's really fancy.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
He is really really fancy. But if we like, I
love that you said that it was for your calling
and your purpose, because like this, what we're discussing and
this level of encounter and then faith and bringing it
into the natural is one hundred percent connected with what
the person like, following the voice of the Lord, the lifebook,
(53:59):
the heavenly role for that individual's life, and what God
is calling them to do in the earth. So we're
not out here saying, yeah, everybody, just go get rich
for no reason. It's like, no, God will, It will
give you everything that you need according to His riches
and glory and these heavenly realities, these heavenly places. But
I've learned that radical obedience and following his voice and
(54:23):
loving his correction because he loves me so much, you'll
correct me if I'm wrong. I love that about my father.
And so it's like I've just learned to really really
love his voice and his word and following his instruction
and his correction and his conviction, the conviction of the
Holy Spirit. And then it gets so fun because when
you're approaching heavenly realms from that place, it's like there's
(54:47):
really noth that we can't.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Do Okay, Okay, it's like having a dedicated account. That's
what it is. It's like a dedicated acount because you
can't spend it on anything, right, but you can make
withdraws for the things God has put on your heavenly
scroll to do. Yeah, and ahem. Okay, we're gonna talk
(55:12):
about one more.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
Okay, where are we going?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Look, I want you to tell me about the Tree
of Life.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Okay. So that encounter that I had interestingly started when
I was reading Song of Solomon, or i'll say Song
of Songs. I love the Passion translation. I have my
reasons why, but love I feel like it really breaks
down the scriptural meaning of like the Hebrew like in
a way that's more understandable for me. Everybody has their
(55:43):
own translations, Okay, So don't come from me about TPT.
But I was reading in verse eight where like it
talks about the fierce, unrelenting fire, and that this this
place of like being under his tree, feasting on him
(56:03):
and being with him and encountering the power of his
presence and his fire and all of these things. And
so I was having an encounter with the Lord, and
I saw him with me under the tree and I'm
like experiencing his glory. And then really the focus was
(56:26):
like being with Jesus, like I'm with ship. And then
I realized that we were like leaning up against and
under what was the tree of life in heaven, and
so it was like it was cool because he was
connecting like scriptural context in it by way of encounter.
(56:51):
But it was just like so full of like just
glory and like ecstasy actually, which is in the Bible
to you know that word as an expression of glory.
I was just like inebriated by the glory and the
presence and the love of the Lord, sitting with him
and encountering the reality of Song of Songs eight and
then realizing like, oh my gosh, this is the tree
(57:13):
of life, Like I'm in heaven with Jesus, leaning up
against and experiencing the tree of life, and like the
electricity and the life and the fire and the power
that was like flowing through that experience, and yeah, that
was my So it was a love encounter, you know.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
I think if anythings, my hope is that this conversation
has made Jesus a whole lot more exciting to someone
listening and real.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
He used encounter to transform you, yes, to make faith real, yes,
and to heal.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
And to destroy the works of the devil. Absolutely destroy
the works of the devil. There is nothing that Satan
has ever done to me that has any more power
because I've encountered and experienced a higher reality, a higher kingdom,
the Kingdom of Heaven. I've experienced heavenly realms, and so
(58:21):
none of that stuff has a hold, a tether, a tie.
None of that stuff does.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
As we are about to close this program, I want
to highlight your book for those of you that are listening.
Asulho wrote a book called The Unashamed Bride. You should
check it out. You also have a record like where
you are reading scriptures and music. He told us a
little bit about that and where people can find that.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
Sure, so the it's called Take Flight, Soaking Prayers and
Scripture Meditation, and that album is available wherever music is
sold and as well as on you to. But yeah, yeah,
and it's beautiful because Dan, I've had survivors of sex
trafficking reach out and say they can sleep at night
and like they've been listening to it because it's just
(59:11):
beautiful soaking music and lots of scriptures and prayers, and
I've also heard testimonies of like one survivors, like in
the middle of a panic attack and like put it
on and it helped her like you know, regulate and
just get back to peace and like reset. And so
the word of God is so so powerful.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, it's very soothing. Yeah, I love it. So friends,
we've been talking with Soula Lel. I'm so proud of you.
Thank you for this. This was amazing, such a good conversation.
And with that said, until next time, God bless Gossipy.
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Discovering Truth with Dan Duval and I am sitting again
with Soula Layl, who is a transformation strategist, trafficking survivor expert,
and empowerment consultant committing to empowering and equipping individuals, nonprofits
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and service providers in the anti trafficking movement. She's a friend,
she is a survivor of trafficking herself and is overcome
to become an author trainer. You have several websites, take
Flight Survivors dot org and Sula Layl dot com. Yes,
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so glad, to have you.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Thank you, thank you for having me back.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, we got into a whole lot of things
the last time you were here, and things about your
experience but being programmed experiences between the physical and the
spiritual worlds. You talked a whole lot about how Jesus
has been all the difference in your life. And so
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you wrote a book. It's called The outa Shamed Bride.
I want to start by cracking into that a little bit.
And so what was the inspiration of the book that
he wrote.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, So one of the greatest revelations that not only
helped me to get free but stay free was knowing
Jesus as bridegroom and understanding the reality of his kingdom.
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Those two things right there, because it's so different like
to know the Lord as a friend or as a
servant or as there's so many other relational dynamics, because
he can be available to really whatever people are open
to relationally or wherever they're at in their life. But
when that relationship progresses from not just savior, deliver, healer,
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friend to bridegroom, that is where I've found like the
highest place of power and authority in the spirit realm
and really just also the encounters that I've had with him,
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like experiencing his glory and his presence in ways that
I just never knew before experienced before I understood that
he could be a bridegroom and that I, not just
the body of Christ, could be his bride.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So so I think I want to spend some time
talking about encounter. Now, this is an interesting word, and
I mean Christians all over the map on this one, right.
And one of the beautiful things about what we've done
in bride ministries is that I've seen a lot of
people come out of very stale, uh, encounterless Christian experience
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and and and the spiritual senses get opened up over time,
like we we are. We see that, we map that
and it's very exciting and it's very healing and redemptive. Now, Uh,
there are people that have a lot of demonic encounter
they come to Christ and then the Jesus encounter realm
is very small or almost non existed. I've even met
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Christians I say, well, only occultists have encounter realms in
the spirit world and the astro plane, this and that.
But Christians, you're not supposed to have those. You're supposed
to have faith and it's it's what so, But I
want to ask you this question. I mean, how old
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were you came to when you came to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So I first met him at sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You met him sixteen.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It was in a legalistic church. But I recommitted my
life to him or surrendered fully when I was twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Four, surrendered fully a twenty four And that was at
the end of your trafficking, seizing and quotation incredible And
so was there for a time from twenty four or
on where you weren't having encounters with God.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Actually, it's been fully encountering the Lord the whole time. Yes, Yes,
because I experienced so much of Hell, oh my realms
of Hell, demonic realms, locations in the spirit. I've experienced
so much of that that when I fully surrendered my
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life to the Lord and just like rededicated my life
to him, it was like I needed to encounter more
on Heaven's side than I ever did on Hell side.
That's the only thing that would keep me. It had
to be better over here than everything else I experienced.
And I think because I had so many experiences in
the spirit realm, even as someone that was a believer
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because I got saved at sixteen, but I was still
dealing with you know, working out so much of my
healing journey. But like I had experienced so much in
the spirit realm that I couldn't I didn't come into
when I read the Bible. I was reading the Bible
with the understanding that the spirit realm is real because
I had been experiencing it ever since I was, you know,
a baby. So reading about spiritual gifts, reading about is
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he being snatched up by his hair and taken to
places in the spirit realm and told to prophesy certain things,
like all of that type of stuff, you know, the
Book of Revelation being you know, a door opening and
being caught up into a heavenly all of that stuff.
Was like, this makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It made sense to you.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
This all makes so much set.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It doesn't make sense to everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Hopefully we can help some people out today.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well that's the goal, really, because this is the thing, right,
I think what we're going to get to is this
fact and correct me if I'm wrong. The encounter realm
with Jesus Christ is a redemptive experience for survive of
trauma backgrounds.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, yes, I mean because I had to know that
the word that I was the Bible, the word that
I'm reading isn't just a book. If it was just
a book, forget the whole thing. Just a book would
not bring healing, deliverance, deprogramming and freedom. Like there's just
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no way when I would read the Bible. When I
read the Bible, I experience it like I see it,
I hear it. I like all of my senses are engaged,
Like the Word of God is living and alive. So
when I'm reading it, it's almost like a movie screen.
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And sometimes it's like living in the movie of it
or living in the word, like I experience the word
of God. Jesus is the Word of God. So for me,
it just got really beautiful and really fun. And I
learned about like childlike faith, like Jesus said, you want
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to enter into the kingdom, like humble yourself, dramatically change
the way you think and become like this child. Then
you can come and you know, experience the Kingdom of God.
It is first like address of preaching about the kingdom realm.
He says, blessed are the poor and spirit like theirs
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is the kingdom. So we have to like approach him
like I know nothing outside of you, like I know
nothing outside of you, Jesus here everything. And that was
really my approach and and so I think because of that,
and that's available for everybody. You don't have to be
a sex trafficking survivor or complex trauma survivor ritual abuse
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survivor to encounter the Lord this way. This is available
for everybody. But it's just like I was able to
go on adventures in the Word and experience Jesus and
the Father and the Holy Spirit and even angels the
good kind that Jesus is the commander in chief over
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you know, you gotta make things clear sometimes for the people.
You gotta help the people to back. But but these
adventures in reading the Word and in God's presence, you know,
like what I started seeing was like I would sometimes
I would encounter him like I'm just in prayer or something,
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and I would experience something that I'm thinking, like like
the like mind blown, like whoa, what is this? And
then afterwards he'll show me that's in the scripture. Yeah,
And then sometimes I'm reading the scripture and then I'll
experience it. But it's always so interesting to like go
into an encounter with the Lord and experience someplace in heaven.
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And then he's like shows you in the scripture and
you're like.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
What, yes, yes, that's exactly there means.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
A dimension of the Word of God. It's just like
it's it's so fun. And so I feel like any
person that's a Christian that's like bored and fallen asleep
reading their Bible, there is a really great invitation today
to experience more.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, and you know, I mean I personally have a
few sensitivities towards people that have been programmed in rituals
with the Bible, sure, because that does cause some complications, sure,
with reading the Bible for those individuals. And I understand
that we but the good news is you could break
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the programming, yes, and get your invitation, because the invitation
has already been issued. And and I want to ask
you this. Have you had people give you a hard
time over your encounter realm? Have you like had the
experience where you went to open your mouth and say,
look at what God has shown me and it is
people smash you with religion?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh definitely, oh man, yeah, oh yes, Dan, But there
have been people, But I understand where it's coming from.
I understand that usually those attacks or those you know,
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all of that nonsense really comes from either a legalistic mindset,
like that person was maybe born and raised in a
church without power, without presence, without seeing anybody healed or
delivered or set free, And that's just their context. And
so it's a mindset or or it's a religious spirit
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that that they either have or is talking to them.
I don't want to say everybody that challenges, you know,
people experiencing heaven, you know, has that spirit inside of them,
but certainly they're listening to it somewhere because it is
the legalistic pharisee sad to see religious spirit and or
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mindset that prevents people from experiencing the Kingdom of Heaven.
And Jesus was very clear about that. Jesus didn't even
like when people thought that way around him. One of
the most beautiful stories to me is when the woman
that was a known prostitute in the streets, like she
had a reputation and likely that was sex trafficking. Right,
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could have been, could have been by choice, could have
been by force, we don't know, but she was known
in the streets for prostitution and came into the religious
leader's house and breaks open her alabaster box and she's
just worshiping Jesus. And the religious leader who owned the
house starts thinking it says he's thinking within himself. He
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doesn't even say it out loud. He's thinking, oh, if
this man was really a prophet, Like he can't be
a prophet because he would know that the type of
woman that's touching him. And Jesus corrected him for his
thoughts on site and like schooled him in front of
everybody in his own house. M He's like, basically, you
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do not even go think that way around me. And
who loves me more? By the way, you know, she's
been forgiven of much. She's you haven't even given me
the customary kiss or the greeting. You haven't even offered
to help wash my feet. She's washing my feet with
her tears. She won't stop kissing me since I've come in, Like, so, really,
who's who's in a Like he just breaks it all
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the way down and really, that's that's this Jesus that
we're talking about, is the one that loves people that
have stories and backgrounds, Like like he's so he is
dazzling and splendor and glory. Yet he is so approachable.
Come on, he's so approachable.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So tell me about your throne room encounter.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I so I've had a few times. It's like a
I feel like when the Lord opens up a heavenly
place to encounter, it's something that you can continue to experience. Yes,
So like that scripture that says he gives his gifts
without repentance, I think it's a gift for a heavenly
realm to be open. And so I've had many of
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like going into the Throne room, and as I referenced earlier,
like we see that in you know, John had that
encounter in the Throne Room and recorded it by way
of the Holy Spirit for us to see and read
an experience. And so I've had multiple experiences of like
of being in the throne room, of worshiping in the
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throne room, of dancing before Father in the Throne room,
of just of experiencing like the glory of God, like
the lightnings that flash from his throne, and like the
electric like electrifying glory of God. And for me encountering
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my Father in the Throne room, what that did was
and I started to track this, I started to notice
what God was doing. Encountering him was part of my
deprogramming process. So the word of God and then encountering
heavenly realms was part of like redeeming and deprogramming. So
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that Throne room encounter completely trashed and throughout the rotating
and spinning of my soul as a toddler and opening
up the realm of hell, to me, it was so
much higher. It was so much more real and beautiful,
and there was like healing, Like every time I've encountered
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Heaven there's been healing and freedom, and it's like once
you taste and see of His goodness, once you experience it,
it's like everything else pales in comparison. It's like who
even cares about that? It's so insignificant, It's so small
in comparison to encountering the Throne Room of God. And
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so I've had several times of being brought into the
Throne Room of Heaven, of praying, of worshiping in that place,
of experiencing different manifestations of His glory in that place,
and He basically overrode and crushed the programming of Hell.
Of experiencing the realms of hell.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
In another conversation or other conversation, you were explaining how
you actually did deal with a fake Jesus encounters of
a fallen nature where he was abusing you. I deal
with a lot of folks that have had that same
thing right where they're overcoming. I call it the false
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Trinity Jesus. Fake Jesus is one of them. You can
also have a fake Father. Yes, it might even be
satan like or fake Holy Spirit, and they abuse and mistreat,
and then there is borrowed projection like that borrow projection,
but there's a projection on the true and living God
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from that abuse scenario with the demonic entities or whatever.
Those sources of pain are working under that false trinity, guys,
and that can be very, very hindering for some people
on the encounter real And what I want to highlight
is you had that, and you had encounter. We're just
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tapping into it now. What allowed you to override that
faked Jesus encounter to step into this with God personally?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
For me, it was getting to know who He really is,
and it was my obsession of the Word of God.
So like when I fully surrendered my life to Jesus
on the Malibu mansion bathroom floor of a prince from
Equatorial Guinea that I was sold to the last person
I was sold to. When I surrendered and invited Jesus,
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and I went into what I call a god cave season,
where like literally every day, all day, I was reading
my Bible. I was reading and experiencing the Word of God.
And so for me, the false Jesus would really try
to show up and mess up my ability to encounter
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the Lord. But what's started happening was I would I
would make scripture lists on topics because I had to
try and like sort out like what's true. And I
know this sounds very elementary, but this is it really
helped me. So, like I made a scripture list of
like everything that the Word says about who Jesus is,
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and and I would like memorize and study and like
pray and pray those things out about the Father, about Jesus,
about Holy Spirit. And I had to do some I repented,
for I renounced and broke agreement with the false one,
and he tried to keep coming back around it, like
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showing up in my dreams and stuff like that. It
was like he tried to keep pushing past that, but
eventually I think what happened was that my encountering the
true Jesus, my faith in the true Jesus, and my
continued hard stance on rejecting the false and shutting up
the false, not listening to the false. Like however many
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times I needed to reject that and be like nope,
and come to the true. That process of getting to
know Jesus, who the Word says that he is, and
encountering him and seeing having glimpses of seeing him, and
like experiencing the purity of his love and how there
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is nothing twisted, perverted or sexual about the true Jesus,
like nothing at all. He is holy, it is pure,
it is beautiful. And so the more I encountered the
real thing, it was like the counterfeit. It was very
clear that there was no value and nothing to the counterfeit,
like even like money or like once you know how
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to tell that it's real money, you could pick up
on the counterfeit and shut it down and like you're like, nah,
you know, and so but it was like a discipline, Yes,
I say discipline in the beautiful sense of the word,
like every time, every time something that was false would
try it was no, it was coming back to the word.
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And there's a scripture that says, to know the truth
that's what really sets to you free. Like to not
just the truth set to you free, but knowing the truth,
really knowing, comprehending and understanding the truth is what sets
us free. And so like the truth, encountering and knowing
and experiencing the truth helped to shut down and bring
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freedom from the false.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
So tell me about your encounter with the heart of God.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That was why. And this this might blow some people's theology,
but hey, it's all discoveragey Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Go away to We're there for it. So can I
tell you something I got. I got in trouble. I
got in trouble, Yes, because a couple of years ago
I had to retire a phrase, Oh y'all, ain't ready.
That phrase got me in trouble because my whole audience
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started they would rebel.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
They said, we are ready, stop it, Dan, stop it,
don't say it. I don't want to hear it again.
And I had to take orders I did, so I
retired that term. I don't say it anymore.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We're ready, right, Oh, that's so awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
That's so that's so so awesome. So I was there
are different times where like the Lord would have me
praying on different prayer watches, right, meaning like different times
a day where he's like, I want to meet with
you at this time. So I was in a season
where I was waking up in the middle of the night,
like I would sleep a little bit, then I would
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wake up in the middle of the night and spend
time with the Lord. And I think there's a lot
of reasons why he had me doing that for you know, intercession,
for a lot of different things. But during that season,
I was really learning like the prayer posture of waiting
on the Lord, like all my this is not like
all the petitions and praying and asking and seeking and knocking.
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It's just like I'm just here God to just experience
whatever you want, Like whatever you want to show me,
whatever you want to say to me. I just want
to be with you. And so I was just like
waiting in his presence. And it was about like two
and a half hours go by of like I'm trying
to discipline myself in this prayer posture, right, and you're
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like falling asleep, Okay, no, I'm right, like you know,
I'm gonna And so after about two and a half hours,
I started seeing this. It was like a pinkish light
and a purplish blue light zip around and in the
natural in my house, like zipping around. And then this
is this may sound a little graphic, but this is
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how it happened. It was like it turned into what
it looked like and almost like an artery in the thing,
but it's like and scoop down and pulled me up.
And and then the Lord Jesus was right there and
welcome me into the heart of the Father. And so
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I was seated next to the Lord in his heart,
and I could like hear the heart of the Father,
and he said, from now on, this is the place
you will prophesy from. You will prophesy from the heart
of the Father, from the love, and and it just
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felt I could just feel like the tangible like love
of God. And so I just like spent time. Really
it was just resting in his love, resting like in
the heart of the Father. And I didn't even know
that there's scriptures about that, but there's actually scriptures that
talk about running into the heart of God. Yes, I
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had no clue because I'm like, you know, sometimes when
you're encountering something, you're kind of like, not to biblical
if you've ever asked, oh, you know, just like cutting
up and being funny. But it's like, whoa, that was
so wild. I'd never heard of that before, but it
transformed me because from then on, I truly like when
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I would hear God's voice for people, it was just
I don't know, there's more clarity, more precision, more it's
it's it's a different type of building up, equipping, prophesying,
and couraging it like when it's from the heart of
the Father. And so then after that encounter, I found
two scriptures regarding being inside of the heart of God,
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and I was like, oh my goodness, like, whoa, it's
right there. And then later in life I've heard of
others that have encountered something similar of being brought into
the heart of the Father, inside the heart of God.
I was like, Okay, I guess this is just something
you do God. This is wild.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So yeah, it's it's it's incredible. One of the things
that I came out with years ago, and this this
actually feels like old revelation, but it's not it's just
it's just profound, right. But this was early for me.
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One of the major foundation points. God started to highlight
to me all throughout the New Testament, every place that
it's said in Christ. And I did a study because
it was just like, look at it. And so I
went from the beginning to the end of the New
Testament and over and over and over and over and over,
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you will see this in Christ, in Him, in Jesus.
And I started to contemplate that because you know a
lot of Christians have this. We're down here and God's
up here. Holy art thou o Lord, and I I am,
you know, barely qualified by your grace, and so we
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are putting this separation. And this was the ultimate collapse
of that. As I went through this study and we
created a whole course on it. Eventually this it's on
our Bride Ministry's institute. But as I went through, I
began to just use this term. I call it hotel Jesus. Yes,
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I call it hotel Jesus because I'm like, you can
come to the door of the hotel and step inside
the foyer. Yeah, but if that's as far as you get,
you have not explored the realm. Yeah, you have not
explored the realm. But everything that Jesus is leading his
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heart can be engaged with through an encounter, just by intent.
That is us saying, we want to explore this part
of you with you, whether it's your righteousness or your goodness,
or your victory or your stewardship, like everything that Jesus has.
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So I started doing that that I'm like, well, I
want to explore this and and and all of the
names of God and all like it's all found in him.
So then I started saying, Jesus is the realm of
his own kingdom. And so anyway, I'm gonna pause here because.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's so good. Oh Jesus, Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's incredible, and it makes What makes me sad is
that there are so many like I have been mirrored
for the way I communicate on what we can have
with God. I mean absolutely called every kind of name
in the book. And to me sad that there are
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so many people that are so committed to something that
is so far beneath with Jesus died to give us. Remember,
and here I am sitting with you. You were dancing on
the stars with the Father. All right, talk to me
about that.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So that's one that actually started. The encounter started in
the throne room and and and Jesus was there, and
I could tell it was like a bride a bridegroom
encounter just because of like like the disposition of Jesus
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and like the fire in his eyes and the I
don't know, I just just could tell. And but also
heavenly Father was there, and so it was like I
got to have the first dance with my father. It
was like a wedding like celebration, like I got to
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have the first dance with my father. And and this
is before I had read in Psalms like about the
stars all having names and stuff like that, or I
may have read it but read past it, like never
really paid too much attention to it. And so from
the throne room, the father said, may I have this dance.
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There's a lot of redemption happening here in this encounter.
And so then he takes me and he's and he's
holding me, and I'm dancing with my father and he's
taking me throughout like space and time like this is
like it felt like it was like outside of time,
ancient of days, like dancing with my father who loves
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me so much and is just so delighted to be
with me and dancing with me because I'm married to
his son or marrying his son. And as we would
dance and like leap, we would be like on a star,
and it was like it was like there was like
this warmth in this knowing like of the star's name,
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and it was like whoa. And so we are just
like dancing like outside of time in space, and like
like he just took me all over dancing and and
then of course after again after I'm pinding, Oh my gosh,
the stars have names, they make sounds, they release my
brain like all of this stuff, and I got to
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experience that with him. Now. Remember like in our previous podcast,
and anyone's that's missed that one, we'll have to go
back and watch it. But the redemption that was happening was,
you know, when I was a toddler and the Disney
Princess programming, I had to take my clothes off, I
had to dance, and that came back in my life
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another time that we didn't talk about where I was
in the strip industry and stuff like that. I don't
think we went too much into that, but my father
was redeeming that horrible stuff that had been done to me,
and even the sin that I engaged in through self
exploitation in the strip industry later in life. He was
redeeming so many things all at once. He was taking
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me throughout the spirit realm because I had been wounded
and hurt and trafficked in the spirit realm, and I
got to be with my father and all a creation
was aware that he he was dancing with me, that
he loves me, and it was just such a beautiful like.
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I mean, I think I was like wrecked in the glory,
just like a laid prostrate. I don't even know how
many hours when I had that encounter, Like I was
like messed up for days, and the best way possible
because there were so many things that he was redeeming
and deprogramming and removing and getting out of me and
off of me. But he was also serving notice in
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the spirit realm that I am his daughter and he
loves me, and that Jesus Yeshua is my bridegroom. So
I got to have the first dance with my father.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That is so powerful. Wow, is this in your book?
By the way, that.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
One's not some of the things that we're sharing are
just yeah, no, that one's I don't think that one's
in my book.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
This is for this is exclusive exclusive. Oh my, oh
my gosh. Let me tell you something I want to know.
Now you wrote this down. Now I've seen this the
healing room. Yes, I've seen these before. Yeah, I mean okay,
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so and I've seen different different kinds. What was your
encounter with the healing room?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So for me, it was when I, you know, I
really started stepping into understanding the Kingdom of Heaven, which,
by the way, when I first started learning about this,
I felt so bamboozled by every church I'd ever attended
in the past that never talked about the Kingdom Realm
or the Kingdom of Heaven. So I was like, this
is like sick same good news. I can live from
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this realm, go for it.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I'm getting triggered. But because but this is I'm trying
to interview you, because I'm about to go on a
whole talk to me. Nobody told me why not? What
are we missing? Like the whole New Testament?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Are we missing the gospel that Jesus preached it?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
It was it was me.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He preached this everywhere he went.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
That's all I preached the Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
The Kingdom of God is like this, stories, allegories, parables,
The Kingdom of Hean is like this. It's like this.
He wasn't just talking about farming people. No, he was
explaining the reality of the Kingdom of Heaven. So anyways,
I felt, I was like, how have I been saved
or known Jesus for so many years and no one
ever told me? I just I had to work through that.
(38:24):
I was actually upset at first, but also in delight
and joy. It was you know, I had to work
through it. But yeah, so starting to encounter the Kingdom
of Heaven, it got really fun to step out and
pray for people for healing miracles. And not only did
he heal and restore my body, my mind, my soul,
(38:47):
all the mental health diagnoses were dropping off, you know,
and I've experienced healing, deliverance, deprogramming in my own body
in life. But then I realized, oh, wow, we get
to do this for others, so we don't have to
just say, oh, sister so and so, I'm praying for
you and then maybe pray labor later and never check
up if they actually got healed, like we can actually
(39:08):
see healing happen like Jesus said. I mean, Jesus says
it and demonstrates it everywhere. But so when I started
stepping out and childlike faith, like like okay, Lord, like
who are you healing today? What do you want to
do today? And sometimes he would give words of knowledge
of things he wanted to heal, and that would come
by like a vision or a picture or something like that,
(39:30):
or just like a like an inner knowing of what
he wanted to heal. And so one, so there were
times where I would be, like, you know, ministering in services,
and I looked up and I saw body parts coming
out of a realm in heaven and like coming down
(39:50):
and then like hovering over people. And then that's how
I knew. I was like the Lord's giving you a
new and then he would do it come on and
so it's like you see it in the heavenly realm,
and then it gets when when partnered with faith, it
can now be demonstrated into the natural realm. So I
(40:12):
have seen Jesus. I've seen Jesus heal like branding, occult
ritual markings, removed tattoos. I've seen Jesus heal cancer. I've
seen Jesus give brand new hearts where valves there was
valve issues. I've seen Jesus heal kidneys. I've seen Jesus
(40:34):
one time. I got to see him raise the dead
one time.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And I was praying from a distance too. I wasn't
even in person. What an intercessor amazing woman of woman
of God. What she So she's in the hospital and
I get the call from her son and the family's
freaking out and they're like she like she's dead, like
she died. They couldn't help her, and they're all freaking out.
(41:05):
And I heard Matthew ten and I like, immediately I hurt.
So I just there was like a knowing like this
is not her time. Yes, there was a knowing yes,
And so I was like, So I just started praying
in the Holy Spirit, declaring the word of God over
and over. No, Jesus, you give us the authority and
the power to heal the sick, you know, cast out demons,
(41:25):
cleansos with leprosy, raise the dead.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
No.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
And I just start declaring, declaring, declaring. So the family
is on the way to the hospital. They get to
the hospital there. Of course, the family is all a mess, right,
and the doctors had declared her as declared her as dead,
and so they already at this point have made arrangements
for the body to be picked up and removed from
(41:49):
the room. The family's all there, and then I'm like,
put me on speaker in that room when you get there.
We're no, she is no, she will live, she will
not die. And so and so we just became declaring
like like wake up, like wake up, you will not die,
(42:10):
you will live, to declare the glory of the Lord.
And sure, the doctors you know, when they came back
in the room, like now, all of a sudden, she's
not dead, she's starting to move, and they're like having
to rehook stuff, and I'm getting calls, you know in
(42:34):
Texas like we're all just like it's like in complete shock.
But at the same time, we were believing in faith, yes,
and so they had to tell the people come in
and get the body. We don't need you anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
WHOA, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
And so yeah, so I just and it's not just
like this has nothing to do with anybody being more
special or more holy or more gifted or more anything
like this is just part of the reality of the
Kingdom of Heaven, that healing miracles are possible. That when
we truly believe and stand in faith and follow his
(43:16):
voice and his instruction, like, we can see healing. And
so I just think it's so cool that there are
things that exist in heaven and when we see it
and hear his voice and know it, we can grab
hold of that and speak it out and declare it
just like our Papa, just like our father, we can
(43:37):
speak it into existence and then from the heavenly realm
it comes into the natural realm, and now the person
has a new uterus. Now the person has a heart
that works. Now the doctors are saying, well, maybe maybe
it was just we don't understand what's happening, but the
spots on the kidneys are gone. We don't understand it,
(44:02):
but you know, and so Jesus is still doing healing
miracles today. And so that's one of the things one
of the joys of encountering heavenly realms is like and
I also had to learn dan that people hear God's
voice in different ways and for me, like I'll see
before I hear and so so like when I was
(44:25):
learning about God's voice, people would always say, well, what
you hear him saying? I'd be like, I don't really
hear anything, yeah, and I'd be trying to like get
the pictures out, Oh Sue, I gotta hear. It's like
he's I know, I get He's like the Jerebiah. What
do you see U? An almond branch? Like water? Am
(44:45):
I hungry? Lord? Am I making for dinner? It's like no,
it's a whole prophetic word for the nation. It's like
he's showing you something. So anyway, I think that people
when they're learning about hearing God's voice and exploring heavenly
round like being open to letting the Lord show you
what he wants to show you. And then once you
see that thing, grab hold of that thing with faith
(45:06):
as led by him and just believe that if he
showed it to you, he intends to do something with it.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And that's the thing about encounter. Encounter builds faith.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yes, yes, yes, you know a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Of people don't understand faith because what they want to
do is get such a strong cognitive idea that they
feel confident to call it faith. But it just sits
up here heavier than the other thought that says up here.
I believe faith is a matter of the heart. It's
(45:39):
actually the subconscious conviction. It's a conviction that sits there
when you're not thinking about it, and that is built
into us. That's actually built in I believe it's a
heavenly program. It's when we begin to see in the
realm of our own heart, the reality of God's kingdom
more robust than whatever fall in reality we're confronted by yeah,
(46:03):
and then we'd pull on that and it's almost natural
by the time it's really working. But the only way
to make that realm reel is to spend time in it,
which is encounter. Yes, it's encounter. So so like for me,
you know, it's interesting you said, you know you see
(46:26):
before you hear. I know before I see. So it's
for me that was something that I had to learn
as well, like because I spent a lot of time,
you know, And what I found is it's actually pretty
common for survivors of trauma and exploitation to see in
(46:46):
the spirit more easily than others. And I've gone through
different seasons in my life where like I would have
a season of visions in Christ and then it would
just turn off, and then I would But my standard
is I actually feel it first. But if I trust
and I had learned this, if I trust what I
feel as that like a knower, then the knower realm
(47:10):
expands into a full blown encounter of sight and hearing
and everything else. And so you're right, people need to
learn how God speaks to them individually, because one person's
encounter is not disqualify someone else's. And that's I think
(47:30):
there's almost like one on one. It's so important. So
what's this about the riches of his glory?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
So there is this, you know. One time, I'm like
in prayer, in worship, you know, and all of a
sudden I'm with Jesus in heaven and he says, welcome
to as riches in glory.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
And this is gonna be funny. This is gonna sound funny.
But I see things like land, I see things like
a plane. I see small things like the smallest thing
that I was aware of was sprinkles for a like
a birthday cupcake. I know, And I'm like, and then
(48:25):
so I'm seeing these different things.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
My son loves sprinkles in his riches.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
In glory, and I'm like, whoa. And but when I
would look at something, I could hear the prayers or
or like see the need or like what was in
the earth putting a demand on that thing. And like
there was like like a child that was like really
wanted sprinkles on their on their cupcakes. But that seems
(48:49):
like a small thing, but the family didn't have a
lot of money for extra stuff, Like they wanted cupcakes
with sprinkles for their birthday and it was available in
heaven like and to me, that just showed me like
how he cares about the big things, but he also
knows the number of hair on our heads, and he
also cares about the things that are little or maybe
little to others, but they're a big thing for a child.
(49:10):
And so he said, So when I was looking around,
I was like whoa. And I saw things like gold
and all kinds of stuff up there and he and
he said, this is where provision comes from. And it
was obviously a faith realm reality in heaven. And there
(49:30):
are scriptures that say He provides everything that we need
according to his riches and glory. Well, prior to actually
going there, I didn't know that His riches and Glory
is an actual place within heaven, but it is a realm.
So when the Word says he provides everything according to
His riches and Glory, he's referencing a location in the
(49:52):
spirit room in heaven. That that's where provision comes from,
like by faith, Like everything that we need is actual available,
and so when we're praying or we're believing in faith,
or we're you know, continuing, it's like it already exists
and it's a real place. So that would be a
fun adventure for anybody that's willing to take a trip.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Every Christian needs to take this trip. Yes, it's amazing
how that changes perspective because of what people will do.
People will be like, oh, I need something. I see
a good opportunity over there in my mind, Lord, I'm
(50:36):
going to do this, so bless it. And then they
pursue and sometimes it doesn't make sense at all, and
sometimes it's actually a really bad idea. And yet you know,
people can be so like three D. Those are because
they don't see the realm. It's not real. It's an idea.
(51:00):
It's words on a page. When one sees it. I
had an encounter years ago actually wrote about this in
my book Higher Dimensions, Parallel Dimension and the Spirit Mouse. Similar,
not quite the same, but similar. And I was in
what I believed at the end of a two day
(51:21):
encounter was my heavenly mansion.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
So that's fun.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, it was like my mansion to fossil. But
it's like an estate.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
So there's a lot there, and there was you know,
I mean grass and trees and the whole like lake
area and like all kinds of other stuff. And yes,
there is a house there and other facilities. And so
one of the facilities was like a big warehouse and
it was just full of wealth, like like gold and
(51:49):
jewels and treasures and like I was like a lot
of wealth and and so in my encounter, this was
the first day, I didn't know where I was, so
I thought, this is the storehouse of God.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Then the next day when the encounter continued, because I
got pulled into the same realm two days in a row,
I'm looking at that and Jesus was like, oh, no,
this isn't mind, it is yours. This is for your calling,
what I called.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
You to do.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
I have these allocations set aside for every one of
my children and what I called them to do. No,
And I was like, because I was looking at the
vastness of this thing, I was like, by like countries
with this. Yeah, it's so much. We don't realize without
(52:42):
Encounter Soula that we are serving the superior God, with
the superior kingdom and superior resources. And it blows my
mind because I mean a lot of fear based Christians,
they're so obsessed with what the devil is getting away
with that they make their entire life an exploit to
complain about it. That's that's their whole platform is, let's
(53:05):
find ways to discover and then complain about what the
devil is doing. Encounter liberates us from that completely. It's like, oh,
I'll look, I have a whole different perspective.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yes, so true. And by the way, we're not talking
about name it and claim it and like prosperity Gospel
talking about that. We're just we just happen to be
talking about the fact that heavens, like the dust in
heaven is gold. Come on, the streets are gold, the
dirt is actually gold, like the foundations are dim stu.
So it's like, our father is pretty extravagant.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
He's really fancy.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
He is really really fancy. But if we like, I
love that you said that it was for your calling
and your purpose, because like this, what we're discussing and
this level of encounter and then faith and bringing it
into the natural is one hundred percent connected with what
the person like, following the voice of the Lord, the lifebook,
(53:59):
the heavenly role for that individual's life, and what God
is calling them to do in the earth. So we're
not out here saying, yeah, everybody, just go get rich
for no reason. It's like, no, God will, It will
give you everything that you need according to His riches
and glory and these heavenly realities, these heavenly places. But
I've learned that radical obedience and following his voice and
(54:23):
loving his correction because he loves me so much, you'll
correct me if I'm wrong. I love that about my father.
And so it's like I've just learned to really really
love his voice and his word and following his instruction
and his correction and his conviction, the conviction of the
Holy Spirit. And then it gets so fun because when
you're approaching heavenly realms from that place, it's like there's
(54:47):
really noth that we can't.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Do Okay, Okay, it's like having a dedicated account. That's
what it is. It's like a dedicated acount because you
can't spend it on anything, right, but you can make
withdraws for the things God has put on your heavenly
scroll to do. Yeah, and ahem. Okay, we're gonna talk
(55:12):
about one more.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
Okay, where are we going?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Look, I want you to tell me about the Tree
of Life.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Okay. So that encounter that I had interestingly started when
I was reading Song of Solomon, or i'll say Song
of Songs. I love the Passion translation. I have my
reasons why, but love I feel like it really breaks
down the scriptural meaning of like the Hebrew like in
a way that's more understandable for me. Everybody has their
(55:43):
own translations, Okay, So don't come from me about TPT.
But I was reading in verse eight where like it
talks about the fierce, unrelenting fire, and that this this
place of like being under his tree, feasting on him
(56:03):
and being with him and encountering the power of his
presence and his fire and all of these things. And
so I was having an encounter with the Lord, and
I saw him with me under the tree and I'm
like experiencing his glory. And then really the focus was
(56:26):
like being with Jesus, like I'm with ship. And then
I realized that we were like leaning up against and
under what was the tree of life in heaven, and
so it was like it was cool because he was
connecting like scriptural context in it by way of encounter.
(56:51):
But it was just like so full of like just
glory and like ecstasy actually, which is in the Bible
to you know that word as an expression of glory.
I was just like inebriated by the glory and the
presence and the love of the Lord, sitting with him
and encountering the reality of Song of Songs eight and
then realizing like, oh my gosh, this is the tree
(57:13):
of life, Like I'm in heaven with Jesus, leaning up
against and experiencing the tree of life, and like the
electricity and the life and the fire and the power
that was like flowing through that experience, and yeah, that
was my So it was a love encounter, you know.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
I think if anythings, my hope is that this conversation
has made Jesus a whole lot more exciting to someone
listening and real.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
He used encounter to transform you, yes, to make faith real, yes,
and to heal.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
And to destroy the works of the devil. Absolutely destroy
the works of the devil. There is nothing that Satan
has ever done to me that has any more power
because I've encountered and experienced a higher reality, a higher kingdom,
the Kingdom of Heaven. I've experienced heavenly realms, and so
(58:21):
none of that stuff has a hold, a tether, a tie.
None of that stuff does.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
As we are about to close this program, I want
to highlight your book for those of you that are listening.
Asulho wrote a book called The Unashamed Bride. You should
check it out. You also have a record like where
you are reading scriptures and music. He told us a
little bit about that and where people can find that.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
Sure, so the it's called Take Flight, Soaking Prayers and
Scripture Meditation, and that album is available wherever music is
sold and as well as on you to. But yeah, yeah,
and it's beautiful because Dan, I've had survivors of sex
trafficking reach out and say they can sleep at night
and like they've been listening to it because it's just
(59:11):
beautiful soaking music and lots of scriptures and prayers, and
I've also heard testimonies of like one survivors, like in
the middle of a panic attack and like put it
on and it helped her like you know, regulate and
just get back to peace and like reset. And so
the word of God is so so powerful.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, it's very soothing. Yeah, I love it. So friends,
we've been talking with Soula Lel. I'm so proud of you.
Thank you for this. This was amazing, such a good conversation.
And with that said, until next time, God bless Gossipy.
(59:57):
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