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Here are your hosts for this episode, mister Tim, Bobby
and Karen.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (02:06):
Anyway, yeah, so what what's going on today?
Speaker 6 (02:10):
What are we doing today? Tim?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, you know you you had something I wanted to
talk about loving one another and the thing is, as Christians,
let's not go there.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Papa next week.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's old news, but we can bring it up.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
We'll hash up. Hold is it o news?
Speaker 7 (02:34):
You know what's funny is that I don't know if
this is the six months right into it or not.
What you're wrong?
Speaker 8 (02:40):
Actually they've had to then because there was another one.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
It was Yeah, I remember that really, so well, we'll
tell you what Karen's talking about just a minute. But
have you ever been to church and then you kind
of argue with your other church church folks, you know,
as human beings and yeah, you know, the Bible says
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we ought to love one another. That's Jesus's commandment for us.
But here's the deal, guys, we're a human being, so
we still get mad at each other, right.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, and how do we deal
with that? Right? I could tell you in my.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Mind, now you're going to deal in the bar.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
You're telling me something, and in my mind, I'm saying,
like Sylvester Snow, like Yosemite Sam.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
By the way, that kind of reminds me when my
mother in law st ups her toe, instead of saying
a bad word, she'll say son of a Beatbop Deluxe.
That's not her voice.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
But uh, that's funny.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
I was watching a show and this this woman said,
you know, she doesn't curse, but she does her her
cursing is saying.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Santa Voka, which is Saint cow. Right.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
But the funny thing is that the hosts of the show,
we're saying, you know, you're saying that it's not insulting
anyone because it's just a saint cow, and they're like, well,
but in this other religion they worship cows, so you
are you are potentially you were potentially insulting somebody's reincarnated kin.
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And so it became like this back and forth about like,
you know, what we see is okay in our culture,
in our religion is absolutely not okay in other people's
culture or religion. And you know, at what point do
you do you become so like tiptoey walking on eggshells,
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you end up you can't do anything, you know, I
don't know. My thing is that people are going to
get insulted, and people will insult and you just need
grow some thick skin and get over it, you know.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
And that's just it. Well, I mean shows over.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Bobby with all the answers. Oh, you know, and this
would be a great topic for the man. I wish
we had phone lines for this topic because really, yeah, it'd.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Be did we just slip into cursing? Is that? Is
that where we are wherever.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
We're everywhere, We're everywhere right now?
Speaker 6 (05:24):
But I mean like we're not God, We're all you know.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Well, yeah, that's that's you know what. That's a good
point because a lot of people get mad at church
because they're being offended by something, which I.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Say, get over yourself. I saw it.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
You know what's funny is I saw it because I
love the gay community. I love you know, a lot
of the different aspects of it. I had seen something
the other day and I was like, and it was
about it was from a pastor about like a homosexual
in the Bible and about how the Bible never actually
references homosexuality and whatnot, and so I just I thought
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it was really interesting.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I believe it does.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I'll have to dig up that post. Well, the idea
was that the word homosexuality was so was not present
for six.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
But so that's exactly the point.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Because of that, it has to be thrown out like
it's it's the idea of it was like in nineteen
forty six, because it was added to the Bible as
opposed to it.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen forty six.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Yeah, I thought that was.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Pastor.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like, okay, well that works. I'll find
it come back to me.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Well that went somewhere.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I didn't know where. It's. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah, you just threw me off right now we doing
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Okay, but what about what the Bible says? Listen, Buttercup,
unless you've been told that scriptures are intentionally misinterpreted and
that homosexual is a word that doesn't appear in the
Bible until nineteen forty six. The Bible don't say what
you think it says about gays. The texts of terror
used to feel homophobia are actually about pedophilia, temple prostitution,
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and non consent. That's it. You gotta interrogate and decolonize.
Why you've been taught otherwise?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Who's that from? So neither okay?
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Okay, here's yeah, So here's what the original like, you know,
King James version says that instead of call them homosexuals,
he calls them sodomites. So it's known as part in
what's going on here, it's known.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
As a h Yeah, yeah, I turn around, sit down. Yeah,
it's uh, you know these.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
People from a spiritualist tarot divination writer and speaker.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah, and her title is unfit Christian. Wow. Uh.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
But you know, here's the thing when it comes to
all that is that language is constantly changing.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Language is constantly changing.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
So you know it's just like now, you know, we
know the word ass as you know, is it not necessary?
Is not a polite word for our children to say,
but it's you know what, you're a donkey, right and
it's in the Bible.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
It don't what are you doing? Don't get out of here,
don't get out of my swamp.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Don't care anyway, But yeah, I don't know. I think
that when people start using start scrutinizing, you know, words
in the Bible, then you're going to you're going to
get a totally misconstrued idea.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
And then that's kind enough, we're going to go to
And actually, Karen, you brought this up today earlier and
I didn't even know about the scandal. You want to
talk about this this what was it called hillside or
Hillsong hill song?
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Yeah, I know, I so this.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yes, Oh, we have a guest.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
That means it's time for bed. Do you remember it's
too dark? Okay, why don't we have Daddy.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
To help you? Let's be a good time for a break?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Well no, because the only reason why I said he
is because he asked me to explain something really quick. So, yeah,
how it all came about because in all honesty, had
I not looked up this name, I would have had
no idea that this that all of this was happening.
And I really thought that it to me, it was
just kind of God's providence where it was like you
had mentioned the topic of like being hurt by someone
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in the church or being hurt by you know, the
different ways basically just that people can let us down
in general, you know. But I have On the Bible
app they did different devotionals, and the devotional I was reading,
I really enjoyed it, and we get the title right
just so that I can but it's called help me
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I need to change my life. And so I've been
just kind of struggling lately with just like career and
life and just you know, the choices that I've made
that have gotten me to where I am and and
things like that. So this devotional, I really enjoyed it,
and like today's section in particular just really spoke to me.
And I was just like, you know, I never really
looked up like who this is by maybe you know,
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I can read their book or you know, something like
that and kind of follow and stuff, and I realized
it was by Brian Houston, and I was like, I
have no idea who that is. So I googled in
and I was like, Who's Brian Houston? And it just
so happened that literally within the last twenty four hours,
the story has broken on Brian Houston, who is one
of the founding members of the Hillshung Church in Australia,
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and I have everything that has to do with all
of that has stepped down from his position because of
scandal basically, like you know, basically misconduct and things like that,
And I was like, isn't that so fitting? Like you know,
and and it really just kind of took me back
to like the idea of Robbie Zacharias and just you know,
the people that have had a lot of influence at
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least on me personally and preaching and teaching that I've
really enjoyed. Yet it's kind of a letdown and you
find out like, oh, okay, you know, like yo, they
did that, or you know, oh you know it's there.
You know, they're inappropriate with women, or they're doing X,
Y and Z and and so I it really just
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kind of got me thinking, like, you know what, but
what bearing does his integrity have on the devotional that
I read? And not really anything, Like I said, had
I not googled the name, I would have had no
idea about what was going on or you know anything.
All I would know was that, Wow, that deviosional really
spoke to me and the verses that it used in
the way that it sta in contacts and whatnot. It
just really spoke to my heart and it's what I
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need to hear today.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
And so.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
It's difficult because it really does kind of I it
kind of led me down this whole bunny trail of
just like, okay, well, like what is it like to
be in ministry? What is it like to be a
part of you know, we think of Hillsong is just
kind of almost like a cult, like quote unquote cult
because it does have such a following and it does
have you know, when you get into those megachurches and stuff,
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you can kind of start to question belief systems and
or like the actual beliefs of the people who have
found in them and who are you know, have these
huge manson mansions of jets and yeah, you know, and
it's just like has it become about the performance? Has
it become about the money making opportunity that there is
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with something like that? You know? And so just kind
of got me thinking about that and just about how
like just the different the as ministry leaders or people
anyone who's in ministry, Like, you know, the Bible talks
about how teachers in general, like teachers specifically are going
to be held to a higher standard, you know, And
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so it just makes me think of, you know, okay, well,
what are our lives like? Because there's not a person
here at this table who's not involved in some sort
of ministry with their church and whatnot. And so I
just kind of got to thinking about my own personal
life and just the things that I, I guess, for lack
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of a better term, don't have a problem with or
you know, like or don't think or.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Issue or as I say, not as I do.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Well. And that's the thing though, is that if when
I think about our personal testimony in the way that
we I guess, really what I was thinking about was
the conviction. Is it a genuine conviction or is it
a conviction because people are watching you? You know? Is
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it God convicting your heart or is it more of
just like, well, I can't do that because I'm in leadership.
I can't do that, you know. So almost like the
idea of anyone political or anyone you know, in those
things where it's like you're so scrutinized, you're so constantly watched,
that you're almost not allowed to be you anymore, it
has to be to the letter of you know, you know,
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you can't do that because it's not good for you know.
I can think of the Bird Cage. You know, if
you've ever seen the movie The Bird Cage where no
but Robin Williams, Rob Williams, Yeah, where the senator is
going on this huge like they're this big campaign of
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like abstinence and you know the stuff, and his co
runner or whatever gets caught in a hotel room with
a hooker and a lot of a lot of drugs
type of thing. You know, but they're their whole thing
is about like like trying to get more on this
straight and narrow and like trying to get the country
to get back to biblical principles and Christianity and stuff.
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And then this co runner has a scandal, you know,
the scandal and stuff and so yeah, so but again
it's like, you know, we're not allowed to be in
people in positions like that. Are you not allowed to
be who you really are? And is the life that
you're living only being lived that way because you're in
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the public eye or well.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Because here's my thought though, is that doesn't matter. Yes,
what does God tell us?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Though?
Speaker 8 (15:38):
God, God tells us to take up our cross, right
and he tells us to deny yourself. So if denying
yourself means that you have to and it's forced upon
you because of being in the public eye, well maybe
that's just the way God is getting you on track.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
God, doesn't that take away your free will?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
No, because you're choosing not to do that because of
the way it would appear.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
What do you mean, though, is it taking away or
free will?
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Well, because he's or from what I What I took
that as is that God is using that as a
way to keep you in line.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Yeah, well that's what many people.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
But but but that's the thing though, is that if
God has to use that as opposed to you doing
it freely.
Speaker 8 (16:26):
But does Why does God send a boat randomly to
the man who's about to drown.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Can he just save himself from drowning?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
No?
Speaker 8 (16:37):
God puts people and things in our path to keep
us on track. The accountability part, right, God's not allowed
us to keep us accountable. I mean, at what point
does the free will disappear?
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Well? Where was the accountability in the garden?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
What happened in the garden.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Well, but that's what I'm saying, is like, where were
the people in the garden to keep help them like
it wasn't good.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Enough okay, and they didn't have people and it failed miserably.
Wait wait, I don't know what. I'm not sure where
you're going with the garden. That seems a little like
kind of extreme.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
It sounds to me like you're trying to make an
excuse to do bad things. You were telling me that
I should be able to do what I want and
be a Christian because screw what other people think. I'm
able to make my free choice, and my free choice
is to not listen to God and to do what
I want.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
That's what it's coming across as.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
But the reality is that maybe God is putting you
in the public eye because he knows the condition of
your heart, and he knows that you're wanting to save
face might be more important than you relying on your
own self, So you're put in that position for the
sake of him. That's what I'm getting at right. It
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has nothing to do with free will or not. But
God does intervene in us when he knows what's for
our best, okay.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
And I would agree with that. I think that that
is a that is a safety net or a parachute,
you know, but what if you weren't in ministry? What
would your life be if you weren't in ministry?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
Would you mean like just going to church and that's it,
or not even talking about us specifically at this table?
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean maybe it's a personal question. Yeah, what
would your life be if if you weren't in ministry?
Because again, I think you bring up a very valid
point that those are that those are the means which
God has used to keep you in line. Okay, well,
who would you be if you weren't in ministry?
Speaker 8 (18:45):
I don't know because I'm not not in ministry, you know,
But so hypothetically who knows?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Because again it could.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Be do you feel that you would be able to maintain? No,
so shouldn't that be concerning Yes?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
So for me personally, the accountability that I have to
the kids that I work with at church, the accountability
that I have to the people that are involved at
my church are what helped to keep me kind of
on the straight and narrow. Because no, I will feel myself,
why don't This is why I don't like team sports, right,
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because I don't it's easy to let myself down. But
I cannot let other people down. I hate doing it.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
That's why you don't like sports.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Yeah, that's why I don't participate in team sports. Yeah,
absolutely so the Church softball team, I do it.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yeah, you do do it. I do it, yes, but
I do it very begrudgingly.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
I'm not a big fan of team sports because I
don't like the idea of being held accountable by other
people for my performance purposes. Because, like I said, for myself,
I could let myself down. If I had a running partner,
I'd be running every day. But I don't have a
running partner. The last time I ran six months ago.
Do you understand what I'm getting at?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So for me, that's that's the big thing.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
That's why the brothers and sisters in Christ we help
each other.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
But again, that's the whole purpose of the church right right,
is to to help to edify one another, to keep
each other on track, to hold each other accountable. Part
of it is Yeah, and because God knows that we
are incapable, we are not. Not a single person is
capable of staying on the straight and narrow without assistance.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
That's why Christ is and that's why we can't.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I mean, we could better do that. But even though
we can't be perfect, never right, So that's why we
still need Christ.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
So I don't know, to me, to me, I think
that sacrifice. I just uh, it's important. Us having free
choice doesn't mean that God is absent from our life
and the way. That's why I feel like I'm getting
a little bit like not heated, but just yeah, a
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little bit, because it's this idea of the absent father.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
But it's the idea of the absent father.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Wicked, wicked.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
But yeah, you know, God is not an absent father.
He's not somebody who's just going to say, now you'll
figure it out.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Yeah, yes, yes, absolutely right. And there he.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
Gives us opportunities to make the right choice. So we
are in this idea of we're in leadership, we have responsibilities,
and we don't do the things that we may want
to do air quotes because of the impact that.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
It would have on other people's lives.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
We could choose to ignore that, right, so God has
those people in our lives. We could still choose to
ignore it. We could still choose to say, you know what,
screw it, I don't care. I'm going to go and
smoke weed. Before I, you know, go in and work
with my kids and tell them, hey, don't smoke weed.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
You know what I mean? So but.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
I feel like it hmm m. It doesn't feel disingenuine
to you, like I don't know. I guess. I guess
because because because the reason why I say is that
you're right on Wednesday night, you don't go in high
as a kite because you have to tell your kids
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don't smoke weed is bad for you. But earth day
I don't go to church, so I can smoke weed.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah, So then maybe that means we should be involved
every day.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Well, but that's what I'm saying is is that ask it.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Ask somebody who's who's a recovering alcoholic, ask them how
they deal with their sobriety. They have somebody that when
they feel the urge to do something, they can contact them.
Why do you think that is? Because we cannot depend
on ourselves to keep ourselves out of trouble. It might
work for a moment or two, but if when the
temptation is too great, it's going to get a hold
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of you.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
So you bring up a good point. Why is it
that when something because that our first instinct is to
go to someone else.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Why is it then, because it's for selfish reasons. We
want immediate you know, we want immediate results, and there's
no better way to get immediate results than to speak
to someone in person, face to face, you know, pray
to God, and God might allow us to have that
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sense of peace. But he's not going to tell us
that we're right for hating that person. He's not going
to tell us that we're wrong for hating that person.
You know, it's not going to be that. If I
have an issue with you and I want to go
complain to Tim about it, right, I'm going to tell
him what's going on, and he's gonna be like, wow, man,
that's messed up, or hey dude, maybe you need to
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take a chill, and you know pass. So it's this
idea that it's it's very flesh like for us, right,
it's very flesh like.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
What is no one? You didn't ask me if it
was biblical or not. You asked me why what we do?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
But should should?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I mean.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
It wouldn't we want to do things that are biblical?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Well, yeah, we want to do all kinds of things
that are biblical, but but not in this case.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
No, you you asked me what I would do? You said,
why do we go and talk to somebody instead of
talk to God? You didn't you get you get what
I'm saying, Like you didn't ask me what I do?
You said, why do we do this instead of God?
And I was giving you an example of why, because.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
It's interesting that you.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Oh, I never said God, you didn't.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Instead, I said, Now, I didn't say brank you didn't.
I said. All I said is why is our first
instinct to go to other people?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Okay? Well?
Speaker 8 (24:59):
And then so then sinuation was instead of praying or
instead of going to God?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
But for but for everyone? Is the insinuation instead of
praying instead of going to God? Do you know what
I mean? Like, like, we can't just assume that everyone
who depending on where they are in their belief, you know,
depending on where they are and their faith, that everyone
is going to know that, you know, instead of going
to God, like they're going to be able to fill
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in the blinks correctly? Do you understand what I mean?
Like if you have a new believer, like, are they
going to be able to fill in the same blinks
that you would be able to fill in?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I'm confused.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
It's okay, I don't know, but I just I don't
understand what you mean. So you so the question that
you're trying to get to is why do we go
to people when we have a problem, And you're posing
this question as a blanket a statement to everyone.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
It was to go off of how you were saying
that we use the church for the accountability we use
the church for, and so why. For me, it was
just more of like, why is it that we're so
because I feel like that's wonderful and I think that
that's definitely what the community is there for. But not
if it takes the place of God.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I don't think it's supposed to take place.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's not supposed to.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
But does it maybe? But the question is, I guess
who are you seeking? What type of person are you seeking?
Because God tells us to fellowship with one another?
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Fellowship is different than no.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
But but what does he say about about the bride
of Christ? What are we to do.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Love one another, to hold yeah, to hold each other accountable?
To you know, if we have an issue with the church,
to address it and to do it in a biblical
and a godly manner, not saying that that's what we do.
But God does tell us to talk to people. He
doesn't say to let me handle all of it by myself.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Wait, okay, you as a person, not God saying that.
I was like, isn't that exactly what he says?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
God wants us?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
But but the thing is, yet, it's important for us
to know that you know God and and you know God.
I mean, here's another little segue branch off. If I'm
talking to a godly person, can't I say that I
am having a conversation with with somebody who has a
who has relationship with God? Right, they have the Holy
(27:22):
Spirit dwelling within them, So could they not bestow upon
me godly advice?
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Absolutely? Okay, absolutely, And that's not my argument, and that
is not my the intention of the statements that I make.
It's to get you to dig deeper on the fact
that that at times, or at least I will testify
to in my own personal life that at times I
choose to go to people before I go to God.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, and that's what I was saying. I do too.
It's easier.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
But that's bad, isn't it like? How is it like?
Isn't it bad that that's easier, Like shouldn't our first?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
So you're not asking me if I feel bad about
it or not. You're asking me what I do, And yes,
that's what I do.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Is it bad? Yes?
Speaker 8 (28:05):
You know, I mean think about think about what happened
with Oh who was it that went to the to
fix the wallere?
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Was it Jeremiah? No, Neamiah? There you go.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
So Neemiah prayed to God before he made his request, Right,
he had an intimate conversation with God in an instant.
We have the same capability, but we choose not to.
He was given that sense of peace and that sense
of love and that sense of encouragement in a moment. Right,
he didn't have to explain himself. God already knew. God
(28:38):
dealt with it. God gave him what he needed at that.
I mean, in a split second. I can't get that
from you, I can't get that from her. I can
get that from God. But here's the problem. God's not
going to listen to us, yes about things. God's not
going to listen to us and and you know, andate
(29:00):
our irrational emotion, but our friend might. And so it's
easier for us to go to our friend who has
a better chance of giving us some sort of advice
that probably isn't best, but it's gonna make us feel
it's gonna massage our egos and makes us feel better.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
But then, okay, so if you go to a friend
and a godly friend, then he should give you or
she should give you godly advice.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
And so in that.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Scenario, then you kind of are going to God in
a way, not that that person's God, but that God's
working through that person. Right, So that's what the church
is for now. Sometimes we bicker back and forth, or
we get lost in our own ways and we don't
you know, then it's all chaotic. But if you you know,
(29:50):
I was reading in.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Oh where was it now?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I lost my anyway in my study today, it was
when the disciples where with Jesus and Jesus telling him
telling them that you know, he's going to go away,
and then they got confused. Yeah, and then they even
betrayed and denied Jesus. So even he with followers of Jesus.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Yeah, you're talking about when Peter said, well, why can't
I go with you?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
I think it was Peter.
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Speaker 5 (31:04):
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Speaker 7 (31:07):
I mean we were Well, that's a good window of
time too, because a lot of places, especialis like from
eleven to one.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
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mean if you don't, if you don't, if you didn't
have lunch by three, well.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Yeah, or if it's your folks, it's already dinner time.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
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Speaker 6 (31:28):
Damn we decided to have a late supper. Dad, it's
three o'clock. Yes, bedtime is four thirty.
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Speaker 6 (32:05):
Wow, that sounded so professional, Tim.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
That's good to know that.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
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Speaker 7 (32:10):
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Speaker 5 (32:12):
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Speaker 6 (32:18):
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Speaker 5 (32:20):
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for you parents out there. Let your kids run a
muck and play games while you watch them sports on
their TVs. Yeah, they you know what, They got baseball
going on now, the the NBA playoffs right now, so
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They've been a family favorite since nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Family favorite.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
So I mean, yeah, it's a if Jesus is having
problems and issues with people that are supposed to be
following him, then we're gonna have.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
The same.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
I don't know, you know, And I think what she's
saying is that we go to people instead of God.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
With our problems, right, yeah, I think I don't know.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
It's I felt like she was asking a layered question
that was like it's kind of stacked on top of
each other. So it's it's I don't know. We can
get some clarification from that. But the thing is is
this is that God, God will hold us accountable.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
We could still choose to deny it, you know.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
And and that's the thing like for me, as I
talked about a couple of weeks ago, you know, I'm
involved in the church.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I got a lot of stuff going on in the church.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
But I do feel like that helps keep me on
the straight and narrow, you know. I think that I
would definitely be more likely to uh care less about things.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
So if you're not involved, then you just.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
I am a fan of solitude. Hmmm, like I can
easily it used to listen. I'm to the point and
I've always been like this though, But like I have
my immediate family, everyone else can go kick rocks, right.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Being involved in church has got me to a point
where I'm beyond that. But if I didn't have church,
I wouldn't care.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
My mom commented that, you know, if it wasn't for
the fact that I have kids, i'd never see her.
And that's the truth. Wow, because that's just my mindset.
I don't think about other people like that.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, And you know, and I've kind of I dealt
with that myself, like, man, I feel like that's a
selfish thing, but that's just man, that's how I am sometime,
so I understand.
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and Karen.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (02:06):
Anyway, yeah, so what what's going on today?
Speaker 6 (02:10):
What are we doing today? Tim?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, you know you you had something I wanted to
talk about loving one another and the thing is, as Christians,
let's not go there.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Papa next week.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's old news, but we can bring it up.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
We'll hash up. Hold is it o news?
Speaker 7 (02:34):
You know what's funny is that I don't know if
this is the six months right into it or not.
What you're wrong?
Speaker 8 (02:40):
Actually they've had to then because there was another one.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
It was Yeah, I remember that really, so well, we'll
tell you what Karen's talking about just a minute. But
have you ever been to church and then you kind
of argue with your other church church folks, you know,
as human beings and yeah, you know, the Bible says
(03:05):
we ought to love one another. That's Jesus's commandment for us.
But here's the deal, guys, we're a human being, so
we still get mad at each other, right.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, and how do we deal
with that? Right? I could tell you in my.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Mind, now you're going to deal in the bar.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
You're telling me something, and in my mind, I'm saying,
like Sylvester Snow, like Yosemite Sam.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
By the way, that kind of reminds me when my
mother in law st ups her toe, instead of saying
a bad word, she'll say son of a Beatbop Deluxe.
That's not her voice.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
But uh, that's funny.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
I was watching a show and this this woman said,
you know, she doesn't curse, but she does her her
cursing is saying.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Santa Voka, which is Saint cow. Right.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
But the funny thing is that the hosts of the show,
we're saying, you know, you're saying that it's not insulting
anyone because it's just a saint cow, and they're like, well,
but in this other religion they worship cows, so you
are you are potentially you were potentially insulting somebody's reincarnated kin.
(04:25):
And so it became like this back and forth about like,
you know, what we see is okay in our culture,
in our religion is absolutely not okay in other people's
culture or religion. And you know, at what point do
you do you become so like tiptoey walking on eggshells,
(04:46):
you end up you can't do anything, you know, I
don't know. My thing is that people are going to
get insulted, and people will insult and you just need
grow some thick skin and get over it, you know.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
And that's just it. Well, I mean shows over.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Bobby with all the answers. Oh, you know, and this
would be a great topic for the man. I wish
we had phone lines for this topic because really, yeah, it'd.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Be did we just slip into cursing? Is that? Is
that where we are wherever.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
We're everywhere, We're everywhere right now?
Speaker 6 (05:24):
But I mean like we're not God, We're all you know.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Well, yeah, that's that's you know what. That's a good
point because a lot of people get mad at church
because they're being offended by something, which I.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Say, get over yourself. I saw it.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
You know what's funny is I saw it because I
love the gay community. I love you know, a lot
of the different aspects of it. I had seen something
the other day and I was like, and it was
about it was from a pastor about like a homosexual
in the Bible and about how the Bible never actually
references homosexuality and whatnot, and so I just I thought
(06:07):
it was really interesting.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I believe it does.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I'll have to dig up that post. Well, the idea
was that the word homosexuality was so was not present
for six.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
But so that's exactly the point.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Because of that, it has to be thrown out like
it's it's the idea of it was like in nineteen
forty six, because it was added to the Bible as
opposed to it.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen forty six.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Yeah, I thought that was.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Pastor.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like, okay, well that works. I'll find
it come back to me.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Well that went somewhere.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I didn't know where. It's. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah, you just threw me off right now we doing
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Okay, but what about what the Bible says? Listen, Buttercup,
unless you've been told that scriptures are intentionally misinterpreted and
that homosexual is a word that doesn't appear in the
Bible until nineteen forty six. The Bible don't say what
you think it says about gays. The texts of terror
used to feel homophobia are actually about pedophilia, temple prostitution,
(07:24):
and non consent. That's it. You gotta interrogate and decolonize.
Why you've been taught otherwise?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Who's that from? So neither okay?
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Okay, here's yeah, So here's what the original like, you know,
King James version says that instead of call them homosexuals,
he calls them sodomites. So it's known as part in
what's going on here, it's known.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
As a h Yeah, yeah, I turn around, sit down. Yeah,
it's uh, you know these.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
People from a spiritualist tarot divination writer and speaker.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah, and her title is unfit Christian. Wow. Uh.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
But you know, here's the thing when it comes to
all that is that language is constantly changing.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Language is constantly changing.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
So you know it's just like now, you know, we
know the word ass as you know, is it not necessary?
Is not a polite word for our children to say,
but it's you know what, you're a donkey, right and
it's in the Bible.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
It don't what are you doing? Don't get out of here,
don't get out of my swamp.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Don't care anyway, But yeah, I don't know. I think
that when people start using start scrutinizing, you know, words
in the Bible, then you're going to you're going to
get a totally misconstrued idea.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
And then that's kind enough, we're going to go to
And actually, Karen, you brought this up today earlier and
I didn't even know about the scandal. You want to
talk about this this what was it called hillside or
Hillsong hill song?
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Yeah, I know, I so this.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yes, Oh, we have a guest.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
That means it's time for bed. Do you remember it's
too dark? Okay, why don't we have Daddy.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
To help you? Let's be a good time for a break?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Well no, because the only reason why I said he
is because he asked me to explain something really quick. So, yeah,
how it all came about because in all honesty, had
I not looked up this name, I would have had
no idea that this that all of this was happening.
And I really thought that it to me, it was
just kind of God's providence where it was like you
had mentioned the topic of like being hurt by someone
(09:54):
in the church or being hurt by you know, the
different ways basically just that people can let us down
in general, you know. But I have On the Bible
app they did different devotionals, and the devotional I was reading,
I really enjoyed it, and we get the title right
just so that I can but it's called help me
(10:15):
I need to change my life. And so I've been
just kind of struggling lately with just like career and
life and just you know, the choices that I've made
that have gotten me to where I am and and
things like that. So this devotional, I really enjoyed it,
and like today's section in particular just really spoke to me.
And I was just like, you know, I never really
looked up like who this is by maybe you know,
(10:36):
I can read their book or you know, something like
that and kind of follow and stuff, and I realized
it was by Brian Houston, and I was like, I
have no idea who that is. So I googled in
and I was like, Who's Brian Houston? And it just
so happened that literally within the last twenty four hours,
the story has broken on Brian Houston, who is one
of the founding members of the Hillshung Church in Australia,
(10:57):
and I have everything that has to do with all
of that has stepped down from his position because of
scandal basically, like you know, basically misconduct and things like that,
And I was like, isn't that so fitting? Like you know,
and and it really just kind of took me back
to like the idea of Robbie Zacharias and just you know,
the people that have had a lot of influence at
(11:19):
least on me personally and preaching and teaching that I've
really enjoyed. Yet it's kind of a letdown and you
find out like, oh, okay, you know, like yo, they
did that, or you know, oh you know it's there.
You know, they're inappropriate with women, or they're doing X,
Y and Z and and so I it really just
(11:42):
kind of got me thinking, like, you know what, but
what bearing does his integrity have on the devotional that
I read? And not really anything, Like I said, had
I not googled the name, I would have had no
idea about what was going on or you know anything.
All I would know was that, Wow, that deviosional really
spoke to me and the verses that it used in
the way that it sta in contacts and whatnot. It
just really spoke to my heart and it's what I
(12:03):
need to hear today.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
And so.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
It's difficult because it really does kind of I it
kind of led me down this whole bunny trail of
just like, okay, well, like what is it like to
be in ministry? What is it like to be a
part of you know, we think of Hillsong is just
kind of almost like a cult, like quote unquote cult
because it does have such a following and it does
have you know, when you get into those megachurches and stuff,
(12:29):
you can kind of start to question belief systems and
or like the actual beliefs of the people who have
found in them and who are you know, have these
huge manson mansions of jets and yeah, you know, and
it's just like has it become about the performance? Has
it become about the money making opportunity that there is
(12:53):
with something like that? You know? And so just kind
of got me thinking about that and just about how
like just the different the as ministry leaders or people
anyone who's in ministry, Like, you know, the Bible talks
about how teachers in general, like teachers specifically are going
to be held to a higher standard, you know, And
(13:15):
so it just makes me think of, you know, okay, well,
what are our lives like? Because there's not a person
here at this table who's not involved in some sort
of ministry with their church and whatnot. And so I
just kind of got to thinking about my own personal
life and just the things that I, I guess, for lack
(13:35):
of a better term, don't have a problem with or
you know, like or don't think or.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Issue or as I say, not as I do.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Well. And that's the thing though, is that if when
I think about our personal testimony in the way that
we I guess, really what I was thinking about was
the conviction. Is it a genuine conviction or is it
a conviction because people are watching you? You know? Is
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it God convicting your heart or is it more of
just like, well, I can't do that because I'm in leadership.
I can't do that, you know. So almost like the
idea of anyone political or anyone you know, in those
things where it's like you're so scrutinized, you're so constantly watched,
that you're almost not allowed to be you anymore, it
has to be to the letter of you know, you know,
(14:26):
you can't do that because it's not good for you know.
I can think of the Bird Cage. You know, if
you've ever seen the movie The Bird Cage where no
but Robin Williams, Rob Williams, Yeah, where the senator is
going on this huge like they're this big campaign of
(14:48):
like abstinence and you know the stuff, and his co
runner or whatever gets caught in a hotel room with
a hooker and a lot of a lot of drugs
type of thing. You know, but they're their whole thing
is about like like trying to get more on this
straight and narrow and like trying to get the country
to get back to biblical principles and Christianity and stuff.
(15:08):
And then this co runner has a scandal, you know,
the scandal and stuff and so yeah, so but again
it's like, you know, we're not allowed to be in
people in positions like that. Are you not allowed to
be who you really are? And is the life that
you're living only being lived that way because you're in
(15:31):
the public eye or well.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Because here's my thought though, is that doesn't matter. Yes,
what does God tell us?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Though?
Speaker 8 (15:38):
God, God tells us to take up our cross, right
and he tells us to deny yourself. So if denying
yourself means that you have to and it's forced upon
you because of being in the public eye, well maybe
that's just the way God is getting you on track.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
God, doesn't that take away your free will?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
No, because you're choosing not to do that because of
the way it would appear.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
What do you mean, though, is it taking away or
free will?
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Well, because he's or from what I What I took
that as is that God is using that as a
way to keep you in line.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Yeah, well that's what many people.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
But but but that's the thing though, is that if
God has to use that as opposed to you doing
it freely.
Speaker 8 (16:26):
But does Why does God send a boat randomly to
the man who's about to drown.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Can he just save himself from drowning?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
No?
Speaker 8 (16:37):
God puts people and things in our path to keep
us on track. The accountability part, right, God's not allowed
us to keep us accountable. I mean, at what point
does the free will disappear?
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Well? Where was the accountability in the garden?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
What happened in the garden.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Well, but that's what I'm saying, is like, where were
the people in the garden to keep help them like
it wasn't good.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Enough okay, and they didn't have people and it failed miserably.
Wait wait, I don't know what. I'm not sure where
you're going with the garden. That seems a little like
kind of extreme.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
It sounds to me like you're trying to make an
excuse to do bad things. You were telling me that
I should be able to do what I want and
be a Christian because screw what other people think. I'm
able to make my free choice, and my free choice
is to not listen to God and to do what
I want.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
That's what it's coming across as.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
But the reality is that maybe God is putting you
in the public eye because he knows the condition of
your heart, and he knows that you're wanting to save
face might be more important than you relying on your
own self, So you're put in that position for the
sake of him. That's what I'm getting at right. It
(17:57):
has nothing to do with free will or not. But
God does intervene in us when he knows what's for
our best, okay.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
And I would agree with that. I think that that
is a that is a safety net or a parachute,
you know, but what if you weren't in ministry? What
would your life be if you weren't in ministry?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
Would you mean like just going to church and that's it,
or not even talking about us specifically at this table?
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean maybe it's a personal question. Yeah, what
would your life be if if you weren't in ministry?
Because again, I think you bring up a very valid
point that those are that those are the means which
God has used to keep you in line. Okay, well,
who would you be if you weren't in ministry?
Speaker 8 (18:45):
I don't know because I'm not not in ministry, you know,
But so hypothetically who knows?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Because again it could.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Be do you feel that you would be able to maintain? No,
so shouldn't that be concerning Yes?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
So for me personally, the accountability that I have to
the kids that I work with at church, the accountability
that I have to the people that are involved at
my church are what helped to keep me kind of
on the straight and narrow. Because no, I will feel myself,
why don't This is why I don't like team sports, right,
(19:26):
because I don't it's easy to let myself down. But
I cannot let other people down. I hate doing it.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
That's why you don't like sports.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Yeah, that's why I don't participate in team sports. Yeah,
absolutely so the Church softball team, I do it.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yeah, you do do it. I do it, yes, but
I do it very begrudgingly.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
I'm not a big fan of team sports because I
don't like the idea of being held accountable by other
people for my performance purposes. Because, like I said, for myself,
I could let myself down. If I had a running partner,
I'd be running every day. But I don't have a
running partner. The last time I ran six months ago.
Do you understand what I'm getting at?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So for me, that's that's the big thing.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
That's why the brothers and sisters in Christ we help
each other.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
But again, that's the whole purpose of the church right right,
is to to help to edify one another, to keep
each other on track, to hold each other accountable. Part
of it is Yeah, and because God knows that we
are incapable, we are not. Not a single person is
capable of staying on the straight and narrow without assistance.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
That's why Christ is and that's why we can't.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I mean, we could better do that. But even though
we can't be perfect, never right, So that's why we
still need Christ.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
So I don't know, to me, to me, I think
that sacrifice. I just uh, it's important. Us having free
choice doesn't mean that God is absent from our life
and the way. That's why I feel like I'm getting
a little bit like not heated, but just yeah, a
(21:02):
little bit, because it's this idea of the absent father.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
But it's the idea of the absent father.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Wicked, wicked.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
But yeah, you know, God is not an absent father.
He's not somebody who's just going to say, now you'll
figure it out.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Yeah, yes, yes, absolutely right. And there he.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
Gives us opportunities to make the right choice. So we
are in this idea of we're in leadership, we have responsibilities,
and we don't do the things that we may want
to do air quotes because of the impact that.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
It would have on other people's lives.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
We could choose to ignore that, right, so God has
those people in our lives. We could still choose to
ignore it. We could still choose to say, you know what,
screw it, I don't care. I'm going to go and
smoke weed. Before I, you know, go in and work
with my kids and tell them, hey, don't smoke weed.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
You know what I mean? So but.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
I feel like it hmm m. It doesn't feel disingenuine
to you, like I don't know. I guess. I guess
because because because the reason why I say is that
you're right on Wednesday night, you don't go in high
as a kite because you have to tell your kids
(22:27):
don't smoke weed is bad for you. But earth day
I don't go to church, so I can smoke weed.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah, So then maybe that means we should be involved
every day.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Well, but that's what I'm saying is is that ask it.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Ask somebody who's who's a recovering alcoholic, ask them how
they deal with their sobriety. They have somebody that when
they feel the urge to do something, they can contact them.
Why do you think that is? Because we cannot depend
on ourselves to keep ourselves out of trouble. It might
work for a moment or two, but if when the
temptation is too great, it's going to get a hold
(23:00):
of you.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
So you bring up a good point. Why is it
that when something because that our first instinct is to
go to someone else.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Why is it then, because it's for selfish reasons. We
want immediate you know, we want immediate results, and there's
no better way to get immediate results than to speak
to someone in person, face to face, you know, pray
to God, and God might allow us to have that
(23:36):
sense of peace. But he's not going to tell us
that we're right for hating that person. He's not going
to tell us that we're wrong for hating that person.
You know, it's not going to be that. If I
have an issue with you and I want to go
complain to Tim about it, right, I'm going to tell
him what's going on, and he's gonna be like, wow, man,
that's messed up, or hey dude, maybe you need to
(23:57):
take a chill, and you know pass. So it's this
idea that it's it's very flesh like for us, right,
it's very flesh like.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
What is no one? You didn't ask me if it
was biblical or not. You asked me why what we do?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
But should should?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I mean.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
It wouldn't we want to do things that are biblical?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Well, yeah, we want to do all kinds of things
that are biblical, but but not in this case.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
No, you you asked me what I would do? You said,
why do we go and talk to somebody instead of
talk to God? You didn't you get you get what
I'm saying, Like you didn't ask me what I do?
You said, why do we do this instead of God?
And I was giving you an example of why, because.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
It's interesting that you.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Oh, I never said God, you didn't.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Instead, I said, Now, I didn't say brank you didn't.
I said. All I said is why is our first
instinct to go to other people?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Okay? Well?
Speaker 8 (24:59):
And then so then sinuation was instead of praying or
instead of going to God?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
But for but for everyone? Is the insinuation instead of
praying instead of going to God? Do you know what
I mean? Like, like, we can't just assume that everyone
who depending on where they are in their belief, you know,
depending on where they are and their faith, that everyone
is going to know that, you know, instead of going
to God, like they're going to be able to fill
(25:23):
in the blinks correctly? Do you understand what I mean?
Like if you have a new believer, like, are they
going to be able to fill in the same blinks
that you would be able to fill in?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I'm confused.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
It's okay, I don't know, but I just I don't
understand what you mean. So you so the question that
you're trying to get to is why do we go
to people when we have a problem, And you're posing
this question as a blanket a statement to everyone.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
It was to go off of how you were saying
that we use the church for the accountability we use
the church for, and so why. For me, it was
just more of like, why is it that we're so
because I feel like that's wonderful and I think that
that's definitely what the community is there for. But not
if it takes the place of God.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I don't think it's supposed to take place.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's not supposed to.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
But does it maybe? But the question is, I guess
who are you seeking? What type of person are you seeking?
Because God tells us to fellowship with one another?
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Fellowship is different than no.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
But but what does he say about about the bride
of Christ? What are we to do.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Love one another, to hold yeah, to hold each other accountable?
To you know, if we have an issue with the church,
to address it and to do it in a biblical
and a godly manner, not saying that that's what we do.
But God does tell us to talk to people. He
doesn't say to let me handle all of it by myself.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Wait, okay, you as a person, not God saying that.
I was like, isn't that exactly what he says?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
God wants us?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
But but the thing is, yet, it's important for us
to know that you know God and and you know God.
I mean, here's another little segue branch off. If I'm
talking to a godly person, can't I say that I
am having a conversation with with somebody who has a
who has relationship with God? Right, they have the Holy
(27:22):
Spirit dwelling within them, So could they not bestow upon
me godly advice?
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Absolutely? Okay, absolutely, And that's not my argument, and that
is not my the intention of the statements that I make.
It's to get you to dig deeper on the fact
that that at times, or at least I will testify
to in my own personal life that at times I
choose to go to people before I go to God.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, and that's what I was saying. I do too.
It's easier.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
But that's bad, isn't it like? How is it like?
Isn't it bad that that's easier, Like shouldn't our first?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
So you're not asking me if I feel bad about
it or not. You're asking me what I do, And yes,
that's what I do.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Is it bad? Yes?
Speaker 8 (28:05):
You know, I mean think about think about what happened
with Oh who was it that went to the to
fix the wallere?
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Was it Jeremiah? No, Neamiah? There you go.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
So Neemiah prayed to God before he made his request, Right,
he had an intimate conversation with God in an instant.
We have the same capability, but we choose not to.
He was given that sense of peace and that sense
of love and that sense of encouragement in a moment. Right,
he didn't have to explain himself. God already knew. God
(28:38):
dealt with it. God gave him what he needed at that.
I mean, in a split second. I can't get that
from you, I can't get that from her. I can
get that from God. But here's the problem. God's not
going to listen to us, yes about things. God's not
going to listen to us and and you know, andate
(29:00):
our irrational emotion, but our friend might. And so it's
easier for us to go to our friend who has
a better chance of giving us some sort of advice
that probably isn't best, but it's gonna make us feel
it's gonna massage our egos and makes us feel better.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
But then, okay, so if you go to a friend
and a godly friend, then he should give you or
she should give you godly advice.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
And so in that.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Scenario, then you kind of are going to God in
a way, not that that person's God, but that God's
working through that person. Right, So that's what the church
is for now. Sometimes we bicker back and forth, or
we get lost in our own ways and we don't
you know, then it's all chaotic. But if you you know,
(29:50):
I was reading in.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Oh where was it now?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I lost my anyway in my study today, it was
when the disciples where with Jesus and Jesus telling him
telling them that you know, he's going to go away,
and then they got confused. Yeah, and then they even
betrayed and denied Jesus. So even he with followers of Jesus.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Yeah, you're talking about when Peter said, well, why can't
I go with you?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
I think it was Peter.
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Speaker 5 (31:04):
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Speaker 7 (31:07):
I mean we were Well, that's a good window of
time too, because a lot of places, especialis like from
eleven to one.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
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mean if you don't, if you don't, if you didn't
have lunch by three, well.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Yeah, or if it's your folks, it's already dinner time.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
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Speaker 6 (31:28):
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three o'clock. Yes, bedtime is four thirty.
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Speaker 6 (32:05):
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Speaker 7 (32:08):
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Speaker 6 (32:18):
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Speaker 5 (32:20):
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Speaker 6 (32:53):
Family favorite.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
So I mean, yeah, it's a if Jesus is having
problems and issues with people that are supposed to be
following him, then we're gonna have.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
The same.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
I don't know, you know, And I think what she's
saying is that we go to people instead of God.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
With our problems, right, yeah, I think I don't know.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
It's I felt like she was asking a layered question
that was like it's kind of stacked on top of
each other. So it's it's I don't know. We can
get some clarification from that. But the thing is is
this is that God, God will hold us accountable.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
We could still choose to deny it, you know.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
And and that's the thing like for me, as I
talked about a couple of weeks ago, you know, I'm
involved in the church.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I got a lot of stuff going on in the church.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
But I do feel like that helps keep me on
the straight and narrow, you know. I think that I
would definitely be more likely to uh care less about things.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
So if you're not involved, then you just.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
I am a fan of solitude. Hmmm, like I can
easily it used to listen. I'm to the point and
I've always been like this though, But like I have
my immediate family, everyone else can go kick rocks, right.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Being involved in church has got me to a point
where I'm beyond that. But if I didn't have church,
I wouldn't care.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
My mom commented that, you know, if it wasn't for
the fact that I have kids, i'd never see her.
And that's the truth. Wow, because that's just my mindset.
I don't think about other people like that.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, And you know, and I've kind of I dealt
with that myself, like, man, I feel like that's a
selfish thing, but that's just man, that's how I am sometime,
so I understand.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
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part one. Join us tomorrow morning for part two of
the episode another. I personally have a hard time loving anybody,
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