December 9, 2025 • 40 mins
In today's episode WJ and KJ, deliver another entertaining and creepy episode. KJ gives an overview of the recent UFO documentary film "The Age of Disclosure" by Dan Farah. Bill covers a Bigfoot encounter from some kayakers in Tennessee, AND a sighting of a dogman in Wisconsin, ofter referred to as the Beast of Bray Road. And some great listener mail. Please join us!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hey, keV, let's follow this trail over you. This looks
like there might be something waiting down there. All right, Hey,
wait a minute, do you hear that? Yeah? I thought
it was just me. What the heck is that? What
that is?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Whoa? Do you smell that too?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
They looked there, They.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Looked those branches are moving over there. What the heck
is that?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Holy cow?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Is that what I think it is? Look at that day?
Oh my god, it's a freaking sasquatch. Welcome to the Bigfoot,
Terror in the Woods, Sidings and Encounters Podcast. I am
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Speaker 4 (01:38):
W j.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
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Speaker 3 (02:20):
What's going on? Bill?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
We're having all kinds of technical difficulties today, but we
will get through it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And hopefully it'll sound okay.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know, wow, you can't have more technical difficulties focused
than we did today. And oh my god, for those
of you newcomers or those of you that don't remember,
like my brother and I do this recording live between
the two of us, but were separated by six hundred
miles with me being down in North Carolina and him
being up on Long Island in New York. So it's
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a little bit of a challenge to get everything to work.
And today, boy, oh boy, the gremlins.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Is that we'll call them. I got a better word
than gremlin's. It's a yeah, keV. I mean, we just
went through it here, and it's really not over because
once we've done recording, I'm going to have to call
up the cable company. keV is suggesting I might have
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had a bad router here, and it's no big deal.
I mean I can get a new one from them.
But what a time for my router to die or
whatever it's doing. I know, man, I know you know.
So why don't we dig right in here? keV? I
told you when we actually started to record a little
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while ago, folks, and had to pull the plug on
it and do a little troubleshooting. And we're going to
re begin. But I have two very cool encounters here today.
One is a very brief bigfoot encounter, which shows you
how fleeting contacting a bigfoot can be. And then we're
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going to dig into something that I know my brother
loves dog man. He doesn't love a dog man. And
we're not talking about cudly Labrador retrievers. No, not velvety
softy years. I love that velvety soft years and webbed feet.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Web No, Well, may you have webbed feet, but some
gigantic claws.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Now this sighting was told or reported to me by
Steve O'Reilly, a resident of Tennessee, and this is what
he and his kayaking club saw, or shall we say, encounter.
Some of them saw it, one encountered it. It was
mid September of two thousand and five that I and
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four other members of our rather loosely knit kayakers club
made our way into the Greater Falls area near Altamont, Tennessee.
Our plan was to do a little go pro shooting
of ourselves while kayaking. We had recently experienced quite a
bit of rainfall in the region, and the conditions were
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perfect for a shoot. The falls were raging and the
water levels were up. For those who've never been in
the area, there are a couple of great trails here,
including the Greater Falls Loop and the Greater Trail. But
we weren't here for the trails. We were here for
the kayaking. The trees and underbrush in this area come
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right up to the river's edge and overhang the river itself.
Because of this, there's very little room if any, to
leave the river with any sort of ease. With the
exception of being certain known areas where this can be done.
The reason I mentioned this is that even if an
eight foot tall man in a gorilla suit had decided
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to come and watch our activities, as far fetched as
that may seem, it would be extremely difficult for them
to do so, especially without being seen by any people
on the surrounding trails. So our group had been working
a small section of the river filming ourselves for about
an hour and a half when one of the guys
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named Reggie had just made his way back to the
staging area, screaming about what he had just caught on camera.
He said that there was a bigfoot hanging out of
the brush watching him as he ran this section of
the river, and it was looking right at him while
the camera was running. So as we waited for the
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rest of the group to return, we started to go
through the footage, and as sure as shooting there was
a huge, dark hair covered beast which came out of
the brush and had guck back into it in a
manner of seconds. The crazy thing was that this particular
spot was as tightly packed as a stockade fence with
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the number of bushes that were located there, and yet
there before our own eyes was a large, hairy beast
leaning out of the brush. After we reviewed the footage,
two of the guys decided to go back down into
the area in an attempt to back paddle, and allowed
the creature to show itself again by somewhat stalling in
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front of it in the river. Having attempted to do
so in a variety of different formats, both individually and
as a group, for the better part of an hour,
no further sighting of the creature had occurred. It was
pretty much a one and done affair. This beast was
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all of about eight feet tall and maybe three feet
wide as it peered out of the brush, apparently very
interested in what we were doing. We were hooting and hollering,
and my personal belief was that the noise, along with
our brightly colored boats, had been of some interest to
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the creature. But we will never know. What do you
make of that? Ken? Pretty cool? Huh?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So it brings up an interesting question too.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
First off, I'll make the observation like where there's water,
there's often bigfoot, right.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, and no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It brings up the question here inadvertently, like can bigfoot
see colors? We don't know, you know, like, are they
like dogs where they can't can only see in black
and white? Like did these brightly colored boats really attract them?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Probably a mundane question, but and one that's very difficult
to answer, but it just came to the top.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Of my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Here. Well, I'm going to go out and ask the
big it on my front lawn if you could see.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Hold up some different colors. Don't trust him, he may
not tell you the truth. Hold up a blue card
and say, hey, what color is this?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Guys? I bring that up. keV, you got the picture
I sent you right? Oh? Yeah, yeah, folks. I have
a big plywood Bigfoot on my front lawn, very cool
with reflective eyes, and I made a Santa Claus hat
out of plywood for it this year, so it's pretty cool.
I think Kev's gonna post it on the website so
you get to see it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It's a giant, eight foot tall front ar shot of
Bigfoot painted black with glowing red eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And the people catch it coming up and down my
road at night. Your headlights hit it, and some people
have told me they were like shocked shot, which is perfect.
If I saw it, I love that. But getting back
to these kayakers, you know, keV, think of yourself, you know,
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kind of rushing down this river, whatever you're doing, paddling
left and right, avoiding maybe some obstacles, and all of
a sudden, this thing comes dodging out of the brush,
taking a beak at you. I mean, I'd be thinking
this thing might take a superman dive and jump on
my kids.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Or throw a boulder at you. Either way.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
They have a liking for throwing things at people. Maybe
a giant log.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, no, why throw a rock when you can throw a.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Log from like the high water times on the river weeds?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Unbelievable. I'm laughing, but that would be it'd be pretty frightening, right,
And he didn't indicate like how far he was from
this thing when it came popping out, or how wide
this body of water is, you know, but I wouldn't personally,
I'm not too keen on that kind of stuff. Yeah,
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keen all, yeah, you know, and just look a quick
side note. My buddy Rob from Chilliwack, British Columbia, we
were talking the other day and some people up there
will have heard about this. But you know, I'm always
saying always carry more gun than you think you're going
to need.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Or yeah. So there was a group of grammar school
students accompanied by two school teachers, walking unarmed, unprotected through
some trail up in northern BC, and they were attacked
by a grizzly bear a week or two ago. Oh no,
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and a bunch of the kids are in the hospital.
I don't know exactly the persons who were in the hospital,
could be all of them. I didn't hear of any dying.
But folks, this is no joke when you go stomping
around in the woods. Not only is potentially Bigfoot there,
but there are a lot of things in there that
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could and would and may try to do you harm.
So you really need to be equipped, you know, keV.
I know a lot of people, loggers, search and rescue guys.
They would all tell you the same thing, Man, You
got to carry a piece or something with you as
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at least a first line of defense towards something off
because man, you know, my opinion, keV, is that Bigfoot,
if it had a mind to, like a stray dog
in your neighborhood, could do you in or do you harm.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So you have different personalities for sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean I always use the adage of the
dogs in the neighborhood when I had a paper route,
and one would come out wagging its tail, and the
other one would come out looking to tear you up
every time you went buy that house.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And then there's the one that comes out wagging its
tail and looks to tear you up.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He pulls a fast one off. Forget those they're out, Yeah,
they come out wagon and when you extend your hand,
the pet nigga.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, and not to go down the rabbit hole here,
so to speak. But also with those grizzlies. I mean,
you know, when I used to do a lot of
hiking in the Pacific Northwest and with my kids when
they were little, so we were really worried about grizzlies,
and we knew they were around because we'd see all
the evidence of them and we'd see them once in
a while, and we carried these, uh like fire extinguisher
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size bear spray and you know, I don't even think
you could buy it out here in North Carolina. I'm
sure you couldn't buy it in New York these days.
But it was like not only was it pepper and
everything else, but it was a violent expectorant. So like
when the bear's got a whiff of this, apparently it
made him vomit like crazy. And we used to carry
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that and not a gun because it was a much
better deterrent and you didn't have to empty and attire
nine milimeter magazine into a grizzly to get it to stop,
you know, because they have found I remember when I
lived out in Spokane, Washington, they found a woman in
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Glacier National Park that was mauled by a grizzly. She
was dead, and she had a nine milimeter handgun next
to her with an empty magazine. Now maybe she was
a terrible shot, but I think she hit it a
few times, but there was no sign of the grizzly.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, you know, I don't care what you say, or
anyone says, somebody who's carrying a handgun has done some practicing.
Oh yeah, I mean you don't. You don't just buy
it and a hip holster and you never fired a gun.
I don't have to know how to take the safety
off or loaded. So I would think that somebody had
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done a fair amount of shooting in the woods in
the yard at a range and kind of could hit
a large thing coming out them. Oh yeah, yeah, you
know yeah, and you know yeah. So anyways, folks, not
not to get diverted there, but just little a little
service message there for the list in the northwest. Absolutely, Kevin.
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Now this other account is really cool involving what is
perceived to be a dog man. So let's stick into this. Now,
this was told to me by Arnold Stevens, a resident
of Illinois, and this is what Arnold encountered with his
cousin Blake, actually in eastern Wisconsin. So, Bill, although your
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inquiry was for those who believed they had a scene
a bigfoot or evidence of the creature, I felt that
what I had seen would fall right into your wheelhouse
as far as strange and unusual creatures go. In mid
October nineteen eighty six, I had gone to visit my
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cousin Blake, who at the time lived outside of Elkhorn, Wisconsin,
the city supposedly being named by a man who found
a pair of Elkhorns in a tree. At any rate,
I had a little time off from work and had
gone to visit him for a few days. I think
it was on a Friday, night, when the two of
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us were indulging in a couple of beers that the
conversation took a turn, with Blake starting to talk about
a so called monster of Bray Road if I'm correct,
and it really doesn't matter as far as what happened goes.
The area in which he lived and where the supposed
monster dwelled was named Woolworth County. He went on about
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a variety of different people who claimed to have seen
basically the same thing, which was a tall, wolf like
monster that apparently walked on two legs. Some of the
claims were that of seeing it in the cornfields, with
others having seen it near farms or crossing roads in
the area over a number of years. It was then
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that I had breached the subject of bigfoot, saying that
maybe what they were seeing was in fact a bigfoot.
But Blake was emphatic in that he stood his ground,
stating that this was most certainly not a bigfoot, but
rather a tall, lanky wolf type creature with a long
canine snout and pointed upright ears well. The night ended,
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and two days later the visit had ended as well,
as I was back home in Illinois. It was two
years later, in the fall of eighty eight, when I
once again had gone to Wisconsin for a visit on
my full vacation, Blake had arranged for us to do
a little bird shooting in a cornfield that was owned
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by an acquaintance of his in the area. I should
mention to you and your readers or listeners that an
enormous portion of this area of the state is predominantly
used for dairy farming and corn production. There are fields, farmhouses,
and farmhouses which are bordered by strips of trees like
fence lines everywhere you look. So we had made our
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way over to this farm at about one PM, and
we were working our way through yet another field of
standing corn stalks, if that's the proper terminology. When Blake said,
did you see that? Now? We were walking side by
side through this standing corn that was quite a bit
higher than our heads, with one row in between us
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separating the two of us. As we walked, I said
to Blake, did I see what he said? Something had
just run by his left hand side through the corn
that looked like a big dog. At this point, we
were in the middle of a large field of standing corn,
far from either side of the field, and Blake was
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just saying that there was a big dog running around
in here that we couldn't see. My immediate thought was
that I hoped it wasn't vicious, because it could have
easily come after us from almost any angle to bite us,
and there'd be little, if anything, we could do about it.
We certainly wouldn't start firing shots blindly, especially with the
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two of us paralleling each other through this field. So
we stood and listened, and both of us had heard
some rustling in the corn, coming from different directions, but
nothing else was visible. I have to say, at that time,
it it did seem like something was circling us, moving
at a fast pace. Either that or it was a
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couple or more critters making all of the noise that
we were hearing. So we decided to make a way
out of the field, and as we did so, Blake
was going to keep his eyes looking forward and to
the left, while I was going to keep one eye
behind us while looking off to our right hand side,
just in case there was a pack of dogs circling us,
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or maybe even a coyote against which we could hopefully
defend ourselves if need be. It was only a few
moments into this, moving out of the corn. As the
two of us were moving side by side that Blake said,
son of a bitch, what is that? As I turned
quickly to look, my view of the direction in which
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he was looking was broken up by the standing corn.
While he was looking straight down at a road between
the stalks, he shouted, you, mothered jumper. He pulled the trigger,
after which I heard a loud, kind of deep yelp,
which was followed by something running through the corn away
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from us. He then said to me, start running and
don't stop, as we were both now tearing it up
through the corn, heading back in the direction we had
come from. As we were now running through the standing corn,
heading back in the direction we had come from, well,
when we broke clear of the field, we stopped to
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catch our breath. I asked Blake what he had fired upon,
Having seen nothing, he told me when this thing had
first stepped into the corn row in front of him,
it was on all fours and appeared to be some
type of large canine like a timberwolf. He said, as
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his mind was trying to process it, it didn't make
any sense tents with nothing of the sort being known
in the area. It was then that his mind shifted
gears to thinking about the monster of Bray Road, and
before he could really make sense of it all, this
beast stood and took steps towards him. That's when he
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pulled the trigger. He described it as being some seven
feet tall, with long, thin, muscular legs and arms. When
it was on all fours, its rump stood higher than
its forebody, making it look like it was in more
of a crouched position, as if ready to launch itself forward.
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As it then stood erect, its legs had somewhat unfolded,
revealing how tall it actually was. He said its face
reminded him of the cartoon character Wiley Coyote, in that
it appeared to be more along the lines of a
hawk excuse me in the road run a cartoon, having
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a long snout with visible teeth both top and bottom,
and it had claws that appeared to me more along
the lines of a hawk's talons or than those that
would be seen on say, the poor of a large
wolf or a dog. Blake was now fully convinced that
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he had become the latest to cite the infamous monster,
and who was I to argue with him. I only
wish that I had seen it. Also, there you have it,
kitty proverbial monster of Bray Road. I've heard about this thing,
but here's a couple of guys, at least one of
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which claims to have seen it and fight a shot
at it.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
No, I mean I think I covered it years ago
on this podcast Encryptids in the News and other oddities.
And certainly I know I've seen it on like Expedition
X with Josh and the Gang, and it is creepy.
It's it's been seen there for years in that area
of eastern Wisconsin, which Wisconsin generally is a hotbed for
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dog Man.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, and listen, man, who are you to argue with
these farming folk ag Usa people just doing their thing,
spacious pieces of property I would imagine barns, tractors, houses.
I mean, this is just like America in its purest sense.
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And come on, man, if they're telling you they saw
something in multiple people, you know, come on, it's there. Yeah,
it's there. I don't I don't think this is a
lot of molile love some.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Of the descriptions, like you know, dog Man, as I recall,
it's known not to have like a feet or pause
like like a wolf of a dog. But you know
some of and talk about this like three toed talon
on the back leg and that the back leg, remember
it bends the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Of like a knee. Oh yeah, more like a wolf.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah yeah, And you know this the way this these
folks or this individual described the talons on the feet
like that was that's in support of what we've heard
about dog Man in the past.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, and also his seeing it on the ground crouch.
She said the rump or the butt area stood higher
or proud of the front crouching down, which indicates that
the legs of the hind portion were much longer than
a dog. That doesn't really happen when unless.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
It was like a Labrador retriever doing a playbow. But
I don't think that dog Man was doing a playback. Hey,
let's play around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, I tell you.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Apart, throw me in the I a cord, I'll fetch it. Yeah, heah,
give me a little swat and I'll rip your.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I'll tell you keV. That is uh, that's some creepy stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Man, super creepy. Love the dog Man.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Wow, So what have we got in our listener mel today, Well,
we're going.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
To go to cryptids in the news and other oddities first.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, don't mind me, keV.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm I know, I know today has been a challenge.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, I'm a little hung up by all of the
stuff that's been going on here.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, in the background. So this is pretty interesting, Bill.
I was listening to a podcast not our own, which
I often do listen to other podcasts too, and they
were talking. They were interviewing this guy named Dan Farah,
and I didn't know his name. I don't know if
that rings a bell with you, not at all. Okay,
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so it didn't ring a bell with me either, but
I decided to listen to it. And it turns out
that this guy, Dan Farrah just reduced just released an
online documentary when I say online, like you know, streaming
documentary called The Age of Disclosure?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And have you heard of this.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yet a little bit? But go ahead, no, I'm interested
in here. What you do?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Super cool, folks, And unfortunately, right now you have to
pay to watch this on Amazon Prime. It may be
available other places too, which generally I don't really promote
stuff that you have to pay for, but you do
have to pay for this, and I mean a separate fee,
not just your prime membership in this case. But it's
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called the Age of Disclosure. And it's fantastic to me,
but I'm interested in what other experts think. So, but
I watched this the other night and it's a feature
length documentary arguing that the United States and other world
powers have engaged in an eighty year long cover up
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of what they call non huge human intelligence. So basically
that for eighty years there's been an organized cover up
including some of the other superpowers, where they have been
going after and finding evidence of UFOs and evidence of
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biologics or alien beings that were captured after a crash.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, and they're all even if they were in cohoots
with each other, they're all individually interested in getting one
up on the other people in Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I mean it's a little bit like you know, I
work in high tech, folks, so it's a little bit
like the artificial intelligence race today. You know, each of
the superpowers is racing to really capture all the benefits
of artificial intelligence before the others do because it's viewed
to have a big strategic advantage. And this where they
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were investigating and still are for all we know uapd
UAPs unidentified aerial phenomena. They're doing it to try to
recreate the technology that these UAPs harness, right, Like, think
of the strategic advantage there would be right.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, Well, and you know this goes back to Colonel
Corso's book Today after Roswell, where he came clean and
there were tons of people who ridiculed him, but he
was saying that right from the get go, carbon fiber
transistors which translated into computer chips, fiber optics, all of
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this stuff. Night Vision was developed out of back engineered
alien technology, right.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
So what's different about this this documentary to me is
the credibility factor. So they have these various experts, so
you know, the main narrator guide is Luis Alessando, which
I know you've seen, h I know him, right, yep. Yeah,
So he's the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat
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Identification Program or a TIP and he's like.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
The lead of the.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Discussion and speaking of discrediting you know Louis, if you
follow him, there's been different government entities that have said
that he's never even worked for the government before.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And we heard that before exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
So he's like the narrator leading us through it. Jay
Stratton from the intelligence community, who was the director of
the UAP Task Force. By the way, Travis, our friend
Travis from Skinwalker Ranch shows up on this documentary as well.
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Chris Mellon, who's the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
for intelligence, and General James Clapper, who's the former Director
of National Intelligence. So you know, so three heavyweights in
UH in the government, you know, and in the agencies.
And then of course we have the Navy pilots that
(31:25):
have testified on uh Capitol Hill in the last couple
of years. You know, these are the folks from the
TikTok incident and the Gimbal incidents where they had filmed
uh UAPs and you know, reinforced the fact that like
these these vehicles, whatever they are, you know, violate the laws.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Of physics, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And then get this, they had they had Marco Rubio
on and and Senator Kirsten illebrand Gilbrandt however you pronounce
her name, and Representative Andre Carson basically highlighting the fact
that there is a strong bipartisan effort through the years
(32:10):
now to uncover some of the documents related to this
and specifically you know this this this concept of this
eighty year cover up of what's known as the quote
unquote Legacy Program. And this is pretty interesting bill that
like and if you do the math on eighty years,
(32:31):
that goes back to Roswell.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Of course it does. And you know the other thing is,
look how hard and how stiff the resistance continues to
be that it's like walking into a library and you
know the books are in there that you want to
take out, but nobody will tell you where they are,
will give you any help to find them, right, And
(32:55):
there's like a million volumes in this library to look through,
and all of the covers have no names on them.
So like, what do you what are you to do
if you're saying I insist on you giving me the
information I'm looking for and everybody just stonewalls you. Yeah,
you know, it's it's it's it's hard to comprehend that
(33:19):
kind of resistance, but you know, they keep talking about it,
but this still seems to be the push, like you
can't have it, you can't have it, you can't have it,
you know, no it I mean again, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
A paid for you have to pay to view this documentary.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
So of course the guy's here to make money, and
he's probably making a ton of money because I think
I paid twenty bucks to watch it. But I'm a skeptic, folks,
and some of you that have been with us for
a long time. I'm the tech guy, and I'm a
big believer in Okham's raiser, where you know, the most
obvious solution to the problem is the solution, or the
(33:59):
most obvious explanation is the explanation. And you know, UFOs
and aliens from other places are not the most obvious explanation.
You know, typically it may be the one we jump through,
but it's not the most obvious. And I watched this
bill and I'm like, holy cow, this is this is
pretty impressive with all of these experts coming out and
(34:23):
talking about it, and they go through the Roswell incident
back in nineteen forty seven, the USS Knimics tic TAC
encounter in two thousand and four, the Theodore Roosevelt USS
Theodore Roosevelt encounter in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen known
as the gimbal or go Fast incidents, the uss Omaha
(34:45):
trans medium.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Sphere from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Some out of order here, but some issues related to
something that happened at Moundstrom Air Force Base back in
nineteen six seven, Yes, where ten minute man nuclear missiles
were inexplicitly taken offline while it was a glowing red
orb hovering over the launch facility. And then some other
(35:13):
stuff about Soviet and Russian nuclear activations that happened.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And how about in recent times the large flying saucer
that was hovering over the airport and O'Hare and then
took off through the cloud cover basically in front of
anybody and everybody who was there at the airport to
see it.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
No no doubt about it. But I mean, this particular.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Documentary went through the five that I mentioned, So you know,
one is I want to talk about this today, which
we are. And two is I'm going to come back
and visit these five even though I've done a couple
of them before, but I'm going to see what else
I can find now being maybe a little bit more
of a believer than being the Oakham's razor guy, based
(36:01):
on this documentary, and go back and revisit them in
other episodes of our podcast. In cryptis in the News
and other odes. Of course, you know they'll be interrupted
if a bigfoot shows up.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
In my backboard, we'll cover that instead. But I'm just fascinating.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'm interested in what others thought that either saw the
documentary or those that you know don't want to watch
it because you think it's a scam, which I'm interested
in that too.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. And keV, you know, I've
been saying this for decades until it happens to you,
it's all a joke. And I tell you, the things
that have happened to me with UFOs Angels all real,
all very very real. But it's only real to me
(36:51):
if you choose to think I'm lying or a good
BS artist, you know, but I'm not. And many other people.
Look at the list of characters you just named. All
of these people have a quote public persona, a reputation
to uphold, generally thought of as being people of integrity,
(37:17):
many of them in service to our country for decades,
And like, do you think they have nothing better to do?
You know? Really not likely, not likely, not likely. But
something gets down and in air kraw and it's like
somebody that wants to come clean about something that's been
(37:40):
heavy on them, you know, and they just say listen, man.
I never told anybody this before, but to me, it's
the same kind of thing. It's just human nature to
want to share, to want to be involved in something
of importance, something that may be able to help a
lot of people.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Very interesting again, folks, it is that it is known
as the Age of Disclosure.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
This documentary by Dan Farra.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I found it on Amazon Prime and if you've seen it,
let me know what you think right in at Bigfoot,
Terror in the Woods dot com. Contact us and Bill.
In light of all of these technical difficulties today, I
think we're going to take a rare pass on listener
mail this week and try to wrap this up before
something else goes wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
That is a good piece of thinking, bro, because this
whole thing got under my skin here today with what
was going on here, you know, just changes your mental attitude.
You know, you're waiting for the hammer to drop.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
But it's a good podcast. We got it done in
light of all kinds of technical challenges. So thanks folks
for listening. Again, contact us, keep the emails comment at Bigfoot,
Terror in the Woods dot com. Contact us and again,
you know it's that time where you're probably trying to
figure out, like I am, what do I get some
of my friends and relatives as a stocking stuffer or
(39:08):
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Speaker 3 (39:15):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Awesome KIV. And remember, folks, if you should find yourself
walking through the woods near Altamont, Tennessee, British Columbia, Vermont, Maine,
wherever you may be, remember this. Always carry more gun
than you think you're going to need. Sleep tight.
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hey, keV, let's follow this trail over you. This looks
like there might be something waiting down there. All right, Hey,
wait a minute, do you hear that? Yeah? I thought
it was just me. What the heck is that? What
that is?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Whoa? Do you smell that too?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
They looked there, They.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Looked those branches are moving over there. What the heck
is that?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Holy cow?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Is that what I think it is? Look at that day?
Oh my god, it's a freaking sasquatch. Welcome to the Bigfoot,
Terror in the Woods, Sidings and Encounters Podcast. I am
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Speaker 4 (01:38):
W j.
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Speaker 3 (02:20):
What's going on? Bill?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
We're having all kinds of technical difficulties today, but we
will get through it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And hopefully it'll sound okay.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know, wow, you can't have more technical difficulties focused
than we did today. And oh my god, for those
of you newcomers or those of you that don't remember,
like my brother and I do this recording live between
the two of us, but were separated by six hundred
miles with me being down in North Carolina and him
being up on Long Island in New York. So it's
(02:51):
a little bit of a challenge to get everything to work.
And today, boy, oh boy, the gremlins.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Is that we'll call them. I got a better word
than gremlin's. It's a yeah, keV. I mean, we just
went through it here, and it's really not over because
once we've done recording, I'm going to have to call
up the cable company. keV is suggesting I might have
(03:22):
had a bad router here, and it's no big deal.
I mean I can get a new one from them.
But what a time for my router to die or
whatever it's doing. I know, man, I know you know.
So why don't we dig right in here? keV? I
told you when we actually started to record a little
(03:44):
while ago, folks, and had to pull the plug on
it and do a little troubleshooting. And we're going to
re begin. But I have two very cool encounters here today.
One is a very brief bigfoot encounter, which shows you
how fleeting contacting a bigfoot can be. And then we're
(04:05):
going to dig into something that I know my brother
loves dog man. He doesn't love a dog man. And
we're not talking about cudly Labrador retrievers. No, not velvety
softy years. I love that velvety soft years and webbed feet.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Web No, Well, may you have webbed feet, but some
gigantic claws.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Now this sighting was told or reported to me by
Steve O'Reilly, a resident of Tennessee, and this is what
he and his kayaking club saw, or shall we say, encounter.
Some of them saw it, one encountered it. It was
mid September of two thousand and five that I and
(04:56):
four other members of our rather loosely knit kayakers club
made our way into the Greater Falls area near Altamont, Tennessee.
Our plan was to do a little go pro shooting
of ourselves while kayaking. We had recently experienced quite a
bit of rainfall in the region, and the conditions were
(05:20):
perfect for a shoot. The falls were raging and the
water levels were up. For those who've never been in
the area, there are a couple of great trails here,
including the Greater Falls Loop and the Greater Trail. But
we weren't here for the trails. We were here for
the kayaking. The trees and underbrush in this area come
(05:41):
right up to the river's edge and overhang the river itself.
Because of this, there's very little room if any, to
leave the river with any sort of ease. With the
exception of being certain known areas where this can be done.
The reason I mentioned this is that even if an
eight foot tall man in a gorilla suit had decided
(06:02):
to come and watch our activities, as far fetched as
that may seem, it would be extremely difficult for them
to do so, especially without being seen by any people
on the surrounding trails. So our group had been working
a small section of the river filming ourselves for about
an hour and a half when one of the guys
(06:25):
named Reggie had just made his way back to the
staging area, screaming about what he had just caught on camera.
He said that there was a bigfoot hanging out of
the brush watching him as he ran this section of
the river, and it was looking right at him while
the camera was running. So as we waited for the
(06:47):
rest of the group to return, we started to go
through the footage, and as sure as shooting there was
a huge, dark hair covered beast which came out of
the brush and had guck back into it in a
manner of seconds. The crazy thing was that this particular
spot was as tightly packed as a stockade fence with
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the number of bushes that were located there, and yet
there before our own eyes was a large, hairy beast
leaning out of the brush. After we reviewed the footage,
two of the guys decided to go back down into
the area in an attempt to back paddle, and allowed
the creature to show itself again by somewhat stalling in
(07:33):
front of it in the river. Having attempted to do
so in a variety of different formats, both individually and
as a group, for the better part of an hour,
no further sighting of the creature had occurred. It was
pretty much a one and done affair. This beast was
(07:54):
all of about eight feet tall and maybe three feet
wide as it peered out of the brush, apparently very
interested in what we were doing. We were hooting and hollering,
and my personal belief was that the noise, along with
our brightly colored boats, had been of some interest to
(08:15):
the creature. But we will never know. What do you
make of that? Ken? Pretty cool? Huh?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So it brings up an interesting question too.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
First off, I'll make the observation like where there's water,
there's often bigfoot, right.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, and no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It brings up the question here inadvertently, like can bigfoot
see colors? We don't know, you know, like, are they
like dogs where they can't can only see in black
and white? Like did these brightly colored boats really attract them?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Probably a mundane question, but and one that's very difficult
to answer, but it just came to the top.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Of my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Here. Well, I'm going to go out and ask the
big it on my front lawn if you could see.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Hold up some different colors. Don't trust him, he may
not tell you the truth. Hold up a blue card
and say, hey, what color is this?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Guys? I bring that up. keV, you got the picture
I sent you right? Oh? Yeah, yeah, folks. I have
a big plywood Bigfoot on my front lawn, very cool
with reflective eyes, and I made a Santa Claus hat
out of plywood for it this year, so it's pretty cool.
I think Kev's gonna post it on the website so
you get to see it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It's a giant, eight foot tall front ar shot of
Bigfoot painted black with glowing red eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And the people catch it coming up and down my
road at night. Your headlights hit it, and some people
have told me they were like shocked shot, which is perfect.
If I saw it, I love that. But getting back
to these kayakers, you know, keV, think of yourself, you know,
(10:05):
kind of rushing down this river, whatever you're doing, paddling
left and right, avoiding maybe some obstacles, and all of
a sudden, this thing comes dodging out of the brush,
taking a beak at you. I mean, I'd be thinking
this thing might take a superman dive and jump on
my kids.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Or throw a boulder at you. Either way.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
They have a liking for throwing things at people. Maybe
a giant log.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, no, why throw a rock when you can throw a.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Log from like the high water times on the river weeds?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Unbelievable. I'm laughing, but that would be it'd be pretty frightening, right,
And he didn't indicate like how far he was from
this thing when it came popping out, or how wide
this body of water is, you know, but I wouldn't personally,
I'm not too keen on that kind of stuff. Yeah,
(11:04):
keen all, yeah, you know, and just look a quick
side note. My buddy Rob from Chilliwack, British Columbia, we
were talking the other day and some people up there
will have heard about this. But you know, I'm always
saying always carry more gun than you think you're going
to need.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Or yeah. So there was a group of grammar school
students accompanied by two school teachers, walking unarmed, unprotected through
some trail up in northern BC, and they were attacked
by a grizzly bear a week or two ago. Oh no,
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and a bunch of the kids are in the hospital.
I don't know exactly the persons who were in the hospital,
could be all of them. I didn't hear of any dying.
But folks, this is no joke when you go stomping
around in the woods. Not only is potentially Bigfoot there,
but there are a lot of things in there that
(12:08):
could and would and may try to do you harm.
So you really need to be equipped, you know, keV.
I know a lot of people, loggers, search and rescue guys.
They would all tell you the same thing, Man, You
got to carry a piece or something with you as
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at least a first line of defense towards something off
because man, you know, my opinion, keV, is that Bigfoot,
if it had a mind to, like a stray dog
in your neighborhood, could do you in or do you harm.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So you have different personalities for sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean I always use the adage of the
dogs in the neighborhood when I had a paper route,
and one would come out wagging its tail, and the
other one would come out looking to tear you up
every time you went buy that house.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And then there's the one that comes out wagging its
tail and looks to tear you up.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He pulls a fast one off. Forget those they're out, Yeah,
they come out wagon and when you extend your hand,
the pet nigga.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, and not to go down the rabbit hole here,
so to speak. But also with those grizzlies. I mean,
you know, when I used to do a lot of
hiking in the Pacific Northwest and with my kids when
they were little, so we were really worried about grizzlies,
and we knew they were around because we'd see all
the evidence of them and we'd see them once in
a while, and we carried these, uh like fire extinguisher
(13:40):
size bear spray and you know, I don't even think
you could buy it out here in North Carolina. I'm
sure you couldn't buy it in New York these days.
But it was like not only was it pepper and
everything else, but it was a violent expectorant. So like
when the bear's got a whiff of this, apparently it
made him vomit like crazy. And we used to carry
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that and not a gun because it was a much
better deterrent and you didn't have to empty and attire
nine milimeter magazine into a grizzly to get it to stop,
you know, because they have found I remember when I
lived out in Spokane, Washington, they found a woman in
(14:27):
Glacier National Park that was mauled by a grizzly. She
was dead, and she had a nine milimeter handgun next
to her with an empty magazine. Now maybe she was
a terrible shot, but I think she hit it a
few times, but there was no sign of the grizzly.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, you know, I don't care what you say, or
anyone says, somebody who's carrying a handgun has done some practicing.
Oh yeah, I mean you don't. You don't just buy
it and a hip holster and you never fired a gun.
I don't have to know how to take the safety
off or loaded. So I would think that somebody had
(15:09):
done a fair amount of shooting in the woods in
the yard at a range and kind of could hit
a large thing coming out them. Oh yeah, yeah, you
know yeah, and you know yeah. So anyways, folks, not
not to get diverted there, but just little a little
service message there for the list in the northwest. Absolutely, Kevin.
(15:33):
Now this other account is really cool involving what is
perceived to be a dog man. So let's stick into this. Now,
this was told to me by Arnold Stevens, a resident
of Illinois, and this is what Arnold encountered with his
cousin Blake, actually in eastern Wisconsin. So, Bill, although your
(15:57):
inquiry was for those who believed they had a scene
a bigfoot or evidence of the creature, I felt that
what I had seen would fall right into your wheelhouse
as far as strange and unusual creatures go. In mid
October nineteen eighty six, I had gone to visit my
(16:18):
cousin Blake, who at the time lived outside of Elkhorn, Wisconsin,
the city supposedly being named by a man who found
a pair of Elkhorns in a tree. At any rate,
I had a little time off from work and had
gone to visit him for a few days. I think
it was on a Friday, night, when the two of
(16:40):
us were indulging in a couple of beers that the
conversation took a turn, with Blake starting to talk about
a so called monster of Bray Road if I'm correct,
and it really doesn't matter as far as what happened goes.
The area in which he lived and where the supposed
monster dwelled was named Woolworth County. He went on about
(17:04):
a variety of different people who claimed to have seen
basically the same thing, which was a tall, wolf like
monster that apparently walked on two legs. Some of the
claims were that of seeing it in the cornfields, with
others having seen it near farms or crossing roads in
the area over a number of years. It was then
(17:28):
that I had breached the subject of bigfoot, saying that
maybe what they were seeing was in fact a bigfoot.
But Blake was emphatic in that he stood his ground,
stating that this was most certainly not a bigfoot, but
rather a tall, lanky wolf type creature with a long
canine snout and pointed upright ears well. The night ended,
(17:52):
and two days later the visit had ended as well,
as I was back home in Illinois. It was two
years later, in the fall of eighty eight, when I
once again had gone to Wisconsin for a visit on
my full vacation, Blake had arranged for us to do
a little bird shooting in a cornfield that was owned
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by an acquaintance of his in the area. I should
mention to you and your readers or listeners that an
enormous portion of this area of the state is predominantly
used for dairy farming and corn production. There are fields, farmhouses,
and farmhouses which are bordered by strips of trees like
fence lines everywhere you look. So we had made our
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way over to this farm at about one PM, and
we were working our way through yet another field of
standing corn stalks, if that's the proper terminology. When Blake said,
did you see that? Now? We were walking side by
side through this standing corn that was quite a bit
higher than our heads, with one row in between us
(18:59):
separating the two of us. As we walked, I said
to Blake, did I see what he said? Something had
just run by his left hand side through the corn
that looked like a big dog. At this point, we
were in the middle of a large field of standing corn,
far from either side of the field, and Blake was
(19:22):
just saying that there was a big dog running around
in here that we couldn't see. My immediate thought was
that I hoped it wasn't vicious, because it could have
easily come after us from almost any angle to bite us,
and there'd be little, if anything, we could do about it.
We certainly wouldn't start firing shots blindly, especially with the
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two of us paralleling each other through this field. So
we stood and listened, and both of us had heard
some rustling in the corn, coming from different directions, but
nothing else was visible. I have to say, at that time,
it it did seem like something was circling us, moving
at a fast pace. Either that or it was a
(20:06):
couple or more critters making all of the noise that
we were hearing. So we decided to make a way
out of the field, and as we did so, Blake
was going to keep his eyes looking forward and to
the left, while I was going to keep one eye
behind us while looking off to our right hand side,
just in case there was a pack of dogs circling us,
(20:28):
or maybe even a coyote against which we could hopefully
defend ourselves if need be. It was only a few
moments into this, moving out of the corn. As the
two of us were moving side by side that Blake said,
son of a bitch, what is that? As I turned
quickly to look, my view of the direction in which
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he was looking was broken up by the standing corn.
While he was looking straight down at a road between
the stalks, he shouted, you, mothered jumper. He pulled the trigger,
after which I heard a loud, kind of deep yelp,
which was followed by something running through the corn away
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from us. He then said to me, start running and
don't stop, as we were both now tearing it up
through the corn, heading back in the direction we had
come from. As we were now running through the standing corn,
heading back in the direction we had come from, well,
when we broke clear of the field, we stopped to
(21:33):
catch our breath. I asked Blake what he had fired upon,
Having seen nothing, he told me when this thing had
first stepped into the corn row in front of him,
it was on all fours and appeared to be some
type of large canine like a timberwolf. He said, as
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his mind was trying to process it, it didn't make
any sense tents with nothing of the sort being known
in the area. It was then that his mind shifted
gears to thinking about the monster of Bray Road, and
before he could really make sense of it all, this
beast stood and took steps towards him. That's when he
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pulled the trigger. He described it as being some seven
feet tall, with long, thin, muscular legs and arms. When
it was on all fours, its rump stood higher than
its forebody, making it look like it was in more
of a crouched position, as if ready to launch itself forward.
(22:41):
As it then stood erect, its legs had somewhat unfolded,
revealing how tall it actually was. He said its face
reminded him of the cartoon character Wiley Coyote, in that
it appeared to be more along the lines of a
hawk excuse me in the road run a cartoon, having
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a long snout with visible teeth both top and bottom,
and it had claws that appeared to me more along
the lines of a hawk's talons or than those that
would be seen on say, the poor of a large
wolf or a dog. Blake was now fully convinced that
(23:24):
he had become the latest to cite the infamous monster,
and who was I to argue with him. I only
wish that I had seen it. Also, there you have it,
kitty proverbial monster of Bray Road. I've heard about this thing,
but here's a couple of guys, at least one of
(23:46):
which claims to have seen it and fight a shot
at it.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
No, I mean I think I covered it years ago
on this podcast Encryptids in the News and other oddities.
And certainly I know I've seen it on like Expedition
X with Josh and the Gang, and it is creepy.
It's it's been seen there for years in that area
of eastern Wisconsin, which Wisconsin generally is a hotbed for
(24:15):
dog Man.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, and listen, man, who are you to argue with
these farming folk ag Usa people just doing their thing,
spacious pieces of property I would imagine barns, tractors, houses.
I mean, this is just like America in its purest sense.
(24:37):
And come on, man, if they're telling you they saw
something in multiple people, you know, come on, it's there. Yeah,
it's there. I don't I don't think this is a
lot of molile love some.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Of the descriptions, like you know, dog Man, as I recall,
it's known not to have like a feet or pause
like like a wolf of a dog. But you know
some of and talk about this like three toed talon
on the back leg and that the back leg, remember
it bends the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Of like a knee. Oh yeah, more like a wolf.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah yeah, And you know this the way this these
folks or this individual described the talons on the feet
like that was that's in support of what we've heard
about dog Man in the past.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, and also his seeing it on the ground crouch.
She said the rump or the butt area stood higher
or proud of the front crouching down, which indicates that
the legs of the hind portion were much longer than
a dog. That doesn't really happen when unless.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
It was like a Labrador retriever doing a playbow. But
I don't think that dog Man was doing a playback. Hey,
let's play around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, I tell you.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Apart, throw me in the I a cord, I'll fetch it. Yeah, heah,
give me a little swat and I'll rip your.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I'll tell you keV. That is uh, that's some creepy stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Man, super creepy. Love the dog Man.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Wow, So what have we got in our listener mel today, Well,
we're going.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
To go to cryptids in the news and other oddities first.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, don't mind me, keV.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm I know, I know today has been a challenge.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, I'm a little hung up by all of the
stuff that's been going on here.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, in the background. So this is pretty interesting, Bill.
I was listening to a podcast not our own, which
I often do listen to other podcasts too, and they
were talking. They were interviewing this guy named Dan Farah,
and I didn't know his name. I don't know if
that rings a bell with you, not at all. Okay,
(26:50):
so it didn't ring a bell with me either, but
I decided to listen to it. And it turns out
that this guy, Dan Farrah just reduced just released an
online documentary when I say online, like you know, streaming
documentary called The Age of Disclosure?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And have you heard of this.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yet a little bit? But go ahead, no, I'm interested
in here. What you do?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Super cool, folks, And unfortunately, right now you have to
pay to watch this on Amazon Prime. It may be
available other places too, which generally I don't really promote
stuff that you have to pay for, but you do
have to pay for this, and I mean a separate fee,
not just your prime membership in this case. But it's
(27:36):
called the Age of Disclosure. And it's fantastic to me,
but I'm interested in what other experts think. So, but
I watched this the other night and it's a feature
length documentary arguing that the United States and other world
powers have engaged in an eighty year long cover up
(27:58):
of what they call non huge human intelligence. So basically
that for eighty years there's been an organized cover up
including some of the other superpowers, where they have been
going after and finding evidence of UFOs and evidence of
(28:18):
biologics or alien beings that were captured after a crash.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, and they're all even if they were in cohoots
with each other, they're all individually interested in getting one
up on the other people in Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I mean it's a little bit like you know, I
work in high tech, folks, so it's a little bit
like the artificial intelligence race today. You know, each of
the superpowers is racing to really capture all the benefits
of artificial intelligence before the others do because it's viewed
to have a big strategic advantage. And this where they
(28:58):
were investigating and still are for all we know uapd
UAPs unidentified aerial phenomena. They're doing it to try to
recreate the technology that these UAPs harness, right, Like, think
of the strategic advantage there would be right.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, Well, and you know this goes back to Colonel
Corso's book Today after Roswell, where he came clean and
there were tons of people who ridiculed him, but he
was saying that right from the get go, carbon fiber
transistors which translated into computer chips, fiber optics, all of
(29:44):
this stuff. Night Vision was developed out of back engineered
alien technology, right.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
So what's different about this this documentary to me is
the credibility factor. So they have these various experts, so
you know, the main narrator guide is Luis Alessando, which
I know you've seen, h I know him, right, yep. Yeah,
So he's the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat
(30:17):
Identification Program or a TIP and he's like.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
The lead of the.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Discussion and speaking of discrediting you know Louis, if you
follow him, there's been different government entities that have said
that he's never even worked for the government before.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And we heard that before exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
So he's like the narrator leading us through it. Jay
Stratton from the intelligence community, who was the director of
the UAP Task Force. By the way, Travis, our friend
Travis from Skinwalker Ranch shows up on this documentary as well.
(31:01):
Chris Mellon, who's the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
for intelligence, and General James Clapper, who's the former Director
of National Intelligence. So you know, so three heavyweights in
UH in the government, you know, and in the agencies.
And then of course we have the Navy pilots that
(31:25):
have testified on uh Capitol Hill in the last couple
of years. You know, these are the folks from the
TikTok incident and the Gimbal incidents where they had filmed
uh UAPs and you know, reinforced the fact that like
these these vehicles, whatever they are, you know, violate the laws.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Of physics, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And then get this, they had they had Marco Rubio
on and and Senator Kirsten illebrand Gilbrandt however you pronounce
her name, and Representative Andre Carson basically highlighting the fact
that there is a strong bipartisan effort through the years
(32:10):
now to uncover some of the documents related to this
and specifically you know this this this concept of this
eighty year cover up of what's known as the quote
unquote Legacy Program. And this is pretty interesting bill that
like and if you do the math on eighty years,
(32:31):
that goes back to Roswell.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Of course it does. And you know the other thing is,
look how hard and how stiff the resistance continues to
be that it's like walking into a library and you
know the books are in there that you want to
take out, but nobody will tell you where they are,
will give you any help to find them, right, And
(32:55):
there's like a million volumes in this library to look through,
and all of the covers have no names on them.
So like, what do you what are you to do
if you're saying I insist on you giving me the
information I'm looking for and everybody just stonewalls you. Yeah,
you know, it's it's it's it's hard to comprehend that
(33:19):
kind of resistance, but you know, they keep talking about it,
but this still seems to be the push, like you
can't have it, you can't have it, you can't have it,
you know, no it I mean again, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
A paid for you have to pay to view this documentary.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
So of course the guy's here to make money, and
he's probably making a ton of money because I think
I paid twenty bucks to watch it. But I'm a skeptic, folks,
and some of you that have been with us for
a long time. I'm the tech guy, and I'm a
big believer in Okham's raiser, where you know, the most
obvious solution to the problem is the solution, or the
(33:59):
most obvious explanation is the explanation. And you know, UFOs
and aliens from other places are not the most obvious explanation.
You know, typically it may be the one we jump through,
but it's not the most obvious. And I watched this
bill and I'm like, holy cow, this is this is
pretty impressive with all of these experts coming out and
(34:23):
talking about it, and they go through the Roswell incident
back in nineteen forty seven, the USS Knimics tic TAC
encounter in two thousand and four, the Theodore Roosevelt USS
Theodore Roosevelt encounter in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen known
as the gimbal or go Fast incidents, the uss Omaha
(34:45):
trans medium.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Sphere from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Some out of order here, but some issues related to
something that happened at Moundstrom Air Force Base back in
nineteen six seven, Yes, where ten minute man nuclear missiles
were inexplicitly taken offline while it was a glowing red
orb hovering over the launch facility. And then some other
(35:13):
stuff about Soviet and Russian nuclear activations that happened.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And how about in recent times the large flying saucer
that was hovering over the airport and O'Hare and then
took off through the cloud cover basically in front of
anybody and everybody who was there at the airport to
see it.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
No no doubt about it. But I mean, this particular.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Documentary went through the five that I mentioned, So you know,
one is I want to talk about this today, which
we are. And two is I'm going to come back
and visit these five even though I've done a couple
of them before, but I'm going to see what else
I can find now being maybe a little bit more
of a believer than being the Oakham's razor guy, based
(36:01):
on this documentary, and go back and revisit them in
other episodes of our podcast. In cryptis in the News
and other odes. Of course, you know they'll be interrupted
if a bigfoot shows up.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
In my backboard, we'll cover that instead. But I'm just fascinating.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'm interested in what others thought that either saw the
documentary or those that you know don't want to watch
it because you think it's a scam, which I'm interested
in that too.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. And keV, you know, I've
been saying this for decades until it happens to you,
it's all a joke. And I tell you, the things
that have happened to me with UFOs Angels all real,
all very very real. But it's only real to me
(36:51):
if you choose to think I'm lying or a good
BS artist, you know, but I'm not. And many other people.
Look at the list of characters you just named. All
of these people have a quote public persona, a reputation
to uphold, generally thought of as being people of integrity,
(37:17):
many of them in service to our country for decades,
And like, do you think they have nothing better to do?
You know? Really not likely, not likely, not likely. But
something gets down and in air kraw and it's like
somebody that wants to come clean about something that's been
(37:40):
heavy on them, you know, and they just say listen, man.
I never told anybody this before, but to me, it's
the same kind of thing. It's just human nature to
want to share, to want to be involved in something
of importance, something that may be able to help a
lot of people.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Very interesting again, folks, it is that it is known
as the Age of Disclosure.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
This documentary by Dan Farra.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I found it on Amazon Prime and if you've seen it,
let me know what you think right in at Bigfoot,
Terror in the Woods dot com. Contact us and Bill.
In light of all of these technical difficulties today, I
think we're going to take a rare pass on listener
mail this week and try to wrap this up before
something else goes wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
That is a good piece of thinking, bro, because this
whole thing got under my skin here today with what
was going on here, you know, just changes your mental attitude.
You know, you're waiting for the hammer to drop.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
But it's a good podcast. We got it done in
light of all kinds of technical challenges. So thanks folks
for listening. Again, contact us, keep the emails comment at Bigfoot,
Terror in the Woods dot com. Contact us and again,
you know it's that time where you're probably trying to
figure out, like I am, what do I get some
of my friends and relatives as a stocking stuffer or
(39:08):
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Speaker 3 (39:15):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Awesome KIV. And remember, folks, if you should find yourself
walking through the woods near Altamont, Tennessee, British Columbia, Vermont, Maine,
wherever you may be, remember this. Always carry more gun
than you think you're going to need. Sleep tight.
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