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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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My name is Nova, Captain Leepwalker's number one assistant. On
today's episode, Tim, Bobby, and Jack discuss stories in the
Bible and ask if they are real or myths. Before
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your hosts for this episode, Tim, Jack and Bobby.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Alright, so guys, what are we talking about today?
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Well, fables, myths or intruths.
Speaker 8 (02:21):
And what in truths and truths?
Speaker 9 (02:25):
Fact?
Speaker 8 (02:25):
I thought you were saying intrude like intruders.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Well, I don't know what you're talking about today, folks.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
You know, there's a loads of stories in the Bible,
and sometimes people are wondering if they're true or not.
Speaker 9 (02:38):
Is that real?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Did that really happen in the Bible? I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
So we're gonna take it just a handful of stories
and we're gonna see if they're true or not in
the Bible.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What do you think of that, folks?
Speaker 8 (02:53):
All right, well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I think they answered me.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Well, one of the interesting stories that I came across,
and there's a few friends of mine that thought this
was hilarious and we're just going to have to discuss this.
It's about a donkey recognizing an angel and talking to it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Now. This is in numbers twenty two and twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Jack, I want to read you a story or hero
real quick while you're looking that up for me like that.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Okay, this is about a little girl.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
On the Saturday Morning Cartoons, Beth saw a show about
a bunch of animals that took over a farm.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
In the show, the animals.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Were always discussing strategy and politics, just like people do.
After the show was over, Beth went to sit beside
her mom, who was doing some meddling.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You know, mother, can animals talk, Beth asked.
Speaker 10 (04:00):
Mom.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
Says, they can if God wants them to, said Beth's mother,
as she mendoled some underwear. Yeah, you know, what about uh?
What about in the Garden of Eden? When I could
tell you another story about a talking animal In the
Garden of Eden, there was a serpent talking to Adam
and Eve. Well, one day God came to Baylim and said,
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if men come to get you, get up and go
with them, but only say what I tell you to say.
In the morning, Balem got up, put a saddle on
his donkey and went with the men. This made gone mad.
While Baalim and two of her servants were riding their donkeys,
and angel stood in the road to stop them. The
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donkey saw the angel standing with a sword and in
the road and walked into a field to keep from
running into it. Baalim hit the donkey to get her
back on the road, but the angel stood in Baylim's way,
and there were walls to his right and left. When
the donkey saw the angel, she ran into the wall
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and smushed Baalim's foot against it, so it hit her again.
The angel walked in a bit, walked a bit and
stood in a narrow place where the donkey wouldn't be
able to turn at a wall. When the donkey saw
the angel, she fell down. This made Baylim so mad
that he hit the donkey with a stick. Then God
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made the donkey talk and said, what did I do
to you for you to make you hit me three times?
Bayleem answered, you tease me. I wish I had a
sword so I could kill you. And the donkey said,
aren't you aren't your donk? Aren't I your donkey? Which
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you rode? Ever, since I was yours. Did I ever
want to ride you? Well, no, said Baylim. Then God,
let Baylim see the angel standing in the road with
the sword. Baylem bowed his head and fell flat on
his face. So is this story true or is it
something that was just made up?
Speaker 8 (06:10):
That was a long story?
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Tim, you couldn't have found the like the cliffs Notes version,
good Gravy.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
Show's over all.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Right, guys, see you next time.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
So Jack doesn't have to look it up because you
found the store. You found it.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Okay, you're breathing hard.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
Yeah, no, you know, it's it's amazing that.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (06:33):
Robert said, Tim, you need to talk on this on
the podcast, and did say that. Yeah, and Tim went
wow today Buck Wow. You know, the Bible says it.
It's in the Word of God. It's noted as a
in a in a time period and in a certain place. Right,
(06:58):
I believe it's true. I believe it's true because it's
in the Word of God. Secondly, I believe it's true
because it depicts something in our life. Okay, we don't
want to recognize the spiritual world, but here's a donkey
that did, and it brings us to a moral point.
(07:23):
Concerning Christ. Are you can do you witness in the
spiritual realm or do you witness in the earthly realm?
Baalim was witnessing in the earthly realm because all he
saw what was earthly. The donkey, however, saw into the
spiritual realm and saw the Angel. Now this is funny
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because the Bible, in other Bible Versus says tells us
to be careful, you never know when you'll be entertain angels.
This also leads us to another point that during Lot's
time and during Abraham's time, the angels came to them often,
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and they were in the form of a man men.
They They weren't some ghost apparash, apparition, operationalition. They were
appeared as men because in Lot's time they were so
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appealing as men that other men wanted to have sex
with them.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Okay, as depicted in the story with Sodom and Gomore.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Sodom Gomoor, where a Lot and the angels came to
Lot and they said, we're going to destroy this city
for their debauchery. He said, so, I want you and
your family to come out now. Because Lot was fat
was Abraham had had petitioned for Lot's family and brought
them out. And this is where, uh, you know, we're
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trying to separate today. What is what people think is
myth is sometimes reality? And what is a good story?
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Okay, but before you get onto the lot situation, what
in the story about the donkey separates it from being
a parable or from being just a story that's told
as opposed to an actual factual situation.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
That's a good question, Bobby.
Speaker 9 (09:30):
Well, the things that make it a factual situation is
one is the time.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Well you said that once, but elaborate what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 9 (09:39):
Okay? Okay. If something happens in a chronological timed point
in history, like the birth of Christ and the death
of Christ, and there's other factors surrounding it, like kings
or or peasants of the time, who was the peasants?
(10:02):
That's who was the slaves? That these are big tells
of whether or not this time period was real. Okay, Okay,
this is in the Book of Kings. Okay, this is
a back in the back during this time, the Jewy
Jews or the at this time it was probably the Hebrews.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Did you just say jewy Jews?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
No, back in this time, back in this time, they
they they were they found they had a lot of
fear of God, is what I'm trying to say, and
they kept things factual. They didn't just elaborate things, because
the Word says that there's a penalty for that, right, okay.
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And the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God.
That's the beginning of it. So to have wisdom, you
keep the fear of God. And when you're reading scripture
or studying scripture, you maintain that fear. Because I'm here
to tell you that we may have a lot of
fun here, but what we do, we need to fear
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God before we go and open our mouths and say
something that is not factual or or not let people,
let let not emphasize that we're that we're bringing up
something that we don't know all the information on because
there's not much spoken on it. Sure, okay, but this
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took place at a certain time with a certain person
in history.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
And that's one thing I wanted to allude to is
that with this particular story, as opposed to say, one
of Jesus's parables, there is not a there's no preface
of it being a story as when Jesus was telling
his parables. It would start off with there was a man,
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or there was you know whatever. It's like he is
telling us to like because it is a story that's
being told where this is a factual event, the same
factual event here as with say the situation on one
of our previous shows with the giants. They you know,
the story is depicting that these giants, the nephilum, were
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as tall as cedars and as strong as oaks.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
And cedars are huge, right, okay, and thirty five feet.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Tall, right, and that's what a lot of them is,
I think.
Speaker 9 (12:32):
Well, and it also says that the Jews of the
time said that they appeared to these giants as grasshoppers, right, okay,
And that is a huge.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
It's huge.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
That's huge, and most people would consider that a myth.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
And guys, if you don't know what we're talking about,
we'll go to our show our site, show show site site.
I'm going to get it out right eventually, uh and
look it up. I think it was like maybe our
third or fourth episode, but we really go in depth
about that, and it's it's very intriguing to me because
I personally never considered it that way.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I'm still kind of on the fence.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Whether it truly is, whether it was an exaggeration from
the people because they were that afraid that, you know,
because when people get their emotions involved, that's why they
always anytime there's a crime scene, you never rely on
a single source of a single eyewitness. You always get
multiple eyewitnesses because there's the emotions almosting. Yeah, well, they
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almost put a lens over the eye that allow them
to see what they need to see to process the information.
And so that's why I think that, you know, with
the nephilum Uh, there's a very strong case that says
that they were actually what it says, but there's still
that there's a small little window of poss stability that
(14:01):
it was just an exaggeration.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Well, I would I would have to disagree, okay. And
the reason being is because it's mentioned in a couple
different locations in the Bible. One it talks about a
king of the giants after many had been I say
it was thrown sloan slain slain that after many had
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been slain, the king of the giants had a bed
made of iron, okay, to hold his girth, his weight,
and he was the bed was thirteen and a half
feet long. Okay, now that's not thirty five feet. But
you know, if you look at the Bible history of genealogy,
(14:47):
I noticed this one day when I was studying the
genealogy from Adam. It starts out that they're nine hundred
years old on average. Okay, Then it drops down to
four hundred years old, and then it drops down to
two hundred and thirty years old on average. And then
it drops down and God says, after the flood, man
will be one hundred and twenty years So you see
(15:09):
a digression or a tapering down, A big declines by
half on each one of the length of life the
humans would be. Well, I can see after the biggest
giants being killed, because they would have been the worst enemies,
that after the biggest giants had been killed, probably in
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their sleep, because that way they didn't kill fifty or
one hundred men, okay, that they would kill the biggest
ones first and thereby leaving the smallest ones. Now, according
to the word, there's different locations in the Bible where
(15:52):
it refers to the nephuline and the giants and how
big they were and that's if it was only one
spot in a word, I would have to disagree with.
I'd have to say, oh, well, you know.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
You have to say, well, I yeah, maybe they are exaggerating.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
Right, But there's another point. And the other point of
that is this that upon when Noah was charged, when
Noah was given charge of building the arc, God cried
out he said, I am sorry that I made man.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Imagine that statement than he said, I.
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Am sorry that I made man. They have become so
corrupt that only one was found righteous. It doesn't say
Noah's sons were righteous. It doesn't say his daughter in
laws are righteous. It says only one was found righteous, Noah.
I mean, yeah, Noah. And but at that point humankind
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was so defiled that God had to destroy it. So
who are we to say that that they weren't giants?
We see today some tribes that the tun sea or
whatever they're called, they grow as like seven and a
half eight feet is a normal height, okay, And to
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us or to Tim, there giants and they're giants.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Okay, Well I am I am a giant according to Tim.
But anyway, sorry, Tim.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
So I'd have to say this is a factual time, Yeah, Okay, now,
can I bring up a couple other spots.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yes, this is what we're doing today.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Okay. You know, guys, we all know that there's certain
things in science that the scientists always say, oh, you know,
that doesn't go with science, and so therefore it couldn't
have happened, and things you know, like the Big Bang
theory and creation. Okay, they say that the world's been
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around for multi hundreds of millions of years, and that
to Christians doesn't fit into our biblical timeline, and to scientists,
the biblical timeline doesn't answer their questions, right, and so
but I wanted to show you the power of God
and according to science, because God is science, God made science,
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God rules over science.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, science was originally designed to reinforce the.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Truths of God.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
You know, I didn't know that.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Yeah, the whole idea of.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Science back in the day was to basically to prove
God's existence. It wasn't until you know, it wasn't until
you know, the past. I don't know two or three
hundred years that the real science I mean, because obviously
you had some like Aristotle back in the you know,
way back when they didn't believe the philosophers.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Yeah, the philosophers and stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
But yeah, the core of science, at least from my understanding,
was that it was to prove the creation, to prove,
you know, to show that Gods is the creator.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Then came along Darwin.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
In Second king and by the way, Darwin accepted God
as the creator of the universe before he died. In
Second Kings six, we're talking about something that defies gravity,
that defies science, and says the company of the prophets
said to Elijah, look, the place where we meet with
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you is too small for us. In other words, the
amount of congregation compared to the building size didn't fit. Okay,
we've had churches in modern day where there was just
so many church, so many people in the church that
they had to go to three and four meetings in
a morning on Sunday, okay, because they just couldn't get
all the members in at once. Well, their idea was
(19:58):
to build a bigger place. So they said, let us
go to the Jordan, where each of us can get
a pole, and let us build a place there for
us to live. And he said go. Then one of
them said, won't you please come with your servants. I
will Elijah replied, Elijah, and Elijah, and he went with them.
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He went with them. They went to the Jordan and
began to cut down trees. As one of them was
cutting down a tree, the iron axe head. If you've
ever seen an axe, you know what he's talking about.
The steel end of the axe that cuts through the wood.
It says it fell into the water, and the person
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wilding that said, oh, my lord, he cried out, it
is borrowed. In other words, this was a tool that
was borrowed from a friend. And in these days, if
you didn't bring it back, you were held in debt,
or you were considered a thief in likelihood. And he says,
when he showed him, then a man of God asked
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where did it fall? It's kind of crazy, guys, the
thought that that the Bible calls Elijah what the man
of God? Okay, wouldn't that be a wonderful title for
somebody to call you out? When he showed hi? When?
Speaker 7 (21:19):
When?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Where? Where did it fall? Elijah asked. When he showed
him the place, Elijah cut a stick and threw it
through it there and made the iron float, lifted lift
it out, he said. Then the man reached out his
hand and took it. So Elijah, through the power of God,
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made iron and iron axe head float on top of
the water to where it could be reached my hand.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
See.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Now, that is something that that you've I've heard as
being just one of those fable things that the Bible
throws in there to you know, it's like they needed
they needed something to to be miraculous, so they threw
it in there. Another example of people that just you know,
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people make their claims that oh, that's just that's just
part of the story. It helps to give it some
pizaz or whatever. Is the when Jesus walked on water
and the whole idea of it's twofold. He walked on water, right,
and then there's another scene later where he appeared on
(22:33):
the boat. Right, it was that and they're in the
same story.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
He walked on water and when he got on the boat, Yeah,
the boat transported it said it immediately it was in
a storm and immediately was on shore. So that meant
it crossed half the lake, which would have taken as
long to cross half the lake as it didn't get
to the center of the lake, which is sometime. But
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immediately the boat and all of its occupants were on
the shore that they were headed to, so they were transported.
I know this is going to bowl a lot of
ministers out of the water because they're going to say, oh,
you're reading into this, but that's what the word says.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
That sound like something you said, that's what the word says.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
It says immediately they were on the other side.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
You think that would probably blow the occupants out of
the water.
Speaker 9 (23:24):
Oh okay, another attempted human Okay, good job, Tim, Yeah,
I know it's funny, of course you did. Okay. Now
I want to go into something. A lot of Christians
have a big problem with the story of Jonah. Okay, yes,
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a lot of Christians have a hard time believing that
the things that happened the Bible are factual. And one
of the biggest is the Big Fish story. Yes, okay,
and you know here, here's the story. Disney tried to
put this story into cartoon and they used it for Pinocchio.
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And it's funny that Pinocchio was doing wrong. He was
not doing what he was told to do. He was
told originally to go buy take this money and go
buy something and ended up doing losing the money and
then running away. Okay, Well, in the story of Jonah,
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God told him to go to the Ninovites and minister
unto the Ninovites. And now, guys, this in itself is a.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Huge, huge thing.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
At this time the Ninovites we were baby killers. They
offered babies to their gods. They some of them were
considered cannibals, and they raided at this time Jonah's people.
And they were the worst enemies of Jonah's people. If
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you just to mention their name probably would have been
a crime. Okay. And here's Jonah saying God, instead of
instead of Jonah saying, hey, God wants me to be
a minister unto you people, unto all of his flock. No,
Jonah says, I am told by God to go to
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these people that would kill me, that would would upon
sight know I'm an enemy and want to destroy me
or kill me or eat me, and putting his own
life in harm's way. Commanded by God to go to
their staunch enemies. How many of us would have would
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have or have the guts to go to Iran or
Tehran and get off the boat and start preaching the
word of God and tell all of Iran and Obama
job or whatever his name is. Hey, you turn around
from your evil, wicked ways. Not only am I going
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to preach Christ, but I'm going to call them sinners
and defilers and basically attack them verbally and tell them
that if they don't give into God's will, who they have, no,
they have zero belief in God, that they that they
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will be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah. Okay. And for
the minister for the for the King, first of all,
for him to get an audience to the king would
have been unheard of. He was just an enemy. But
a lot of people think that the part where he
goes into the belly of the fish is a myth,
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but it's But Jesus Christ at the end and talking
about the last days states that the last days on
earth will be like the time of no of Jonah.
And he explains that when he talking about the sign
of him, he will he will be in the belly
(27:28):
for three days. He will be you know, brought out
and the people will be saved, the Heathens will be saved.
This is a depiction of Jesus Christ and the Cross. Okay.
And so you you there will be no sign but
the sign of Jonah. So that means that Jonah. What
was Jonah? I don't care how you look at it.
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Jonah was probably the most reluctant messenger in the whole Bible.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Even after he did it, he hated the fact that
he did it. Yes, I mean he did it, but
afterwards he's like, I don't know why I did this.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
Okay, So I go to a I was I did.
I was a kind of a chaplain to California Men's
calling and I and the people that I counseled with
were serial killers. And one day, my beautiful wife said,
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and I always had to make time to go there
and talk to them, to one person in particular, and
my wife told me, it's like you like those guys
that more than your own family, okay. And all I
heard was was this Jonah thing. I didn't want to
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go into prison. I didn't want to go talk to
a serial killer.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
I didn't want to offer him forgiveness.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Right, But that's what you were called to do.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
That's what you're called to Just like a minister who's
called to go into a child serial rapist and plead
for their soul. Most people say, let them die.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Let them go to hell.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
They deserve it. But Jesus Christ use this this factual
time to present this to us. And guys, when you're
reading this Bible, let me say this. If it's in
the Word of God, it's truth.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
So you either believe the Word of God or you don't.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
You know, it's like a contract. If one lie of
the contract does not agreed upon, does it make the
whole contract void.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
It's void, right, that's it.
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Speaker 6 (02:12):
Alright, so guys, what are we talking about today?
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Well, fables, myths or intruths.
Speaker 8 (02:21):
And what in truths and truths?
Speaker 9 (02:25):
Fact?
Speaker 8 (02:25):
I thought you were saying intrude like intruders.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Well, I don't know what you're talking about today, folks.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
You know, there's a loads of stories in the Bible,
and sometimes people are wondering if they're true or not.
Speaker 9 (02:38):
Is that real?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Did that really happen in the Bible? I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
So we're gonna take it just a handful of stories
and we're gonna see if they're true or not in
the Bible.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What do you think of that, folks?
Speaker 8 (02:53):
All right, well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I think they answered me.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Well, one of the interesting stories that I came across,
and there's a few friends of mine that thought this
was hilarious and we're just going to have to discuss this.
It's about a donkey recognizing an angel and talking to it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Now. This is in numbers twenty two and twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Jack, I want to read you a story or hero
real quick while you're looking that up for me like that.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Okay, this is about a little girl.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
On the Saturday Morning Cartoons, Beth saw a show about
a bunch of animals that took over a farm.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
In the show, the animals.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Were always discussing strategy and politics, just like people do.
After the show was over, Beth went to sit beside
her mom, who was doing some meddling.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You know, mother, can animals talk, Beth asked.
Speaker 10 (04:00):
Mom.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
Says, they can if God wants them to, said Beth's mother,
as she mendoled some underwear. Yeah, you know, what about uh?
What about in the Garden of Eden? When I could
tell you another story about a talking animal In the
Garden of Eden, there was a serpent talking to Adam
and Eve. Well, one day God came to Baylim and said,
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if men come to get you, get up and go
with them, but only say what I tell you to say.
In the morning, Balem got up, put a saddle on
his donkey and went with the men. This made gone mad.
While Baalim and two of her servants were riding their donkeys,
and angel stood in the road to stop them. The
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donkey saw the angel standing with a sword and in
the road and walked into a field to keep from
running into it. Baalim hit the donkey to get her
back on the road, but the angel stood in Baylim's way,
and there were walls to his right and left. When
the donkey saw the angel, she ran into the wall
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and smushed Baalim's foot against it, so it hit her again.
The angel walked in a bit, walked a bit and
stood in a narrow place where the donkey wouldn't be
able to turn at a wall. When the donkey saw
the angel, she fell down. This made Baylim so mad
that he hit the donkey with a stick. Then God
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made the donkey talk and said, what did I do
to you for you to make you hit me three times?
Bayleem answered, you tease me. I wish I had a
sword so I could kill you. And the donkey said,
aren't you aren't your donk? Aren't I your donkey? Which
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you rode? Ever, since I was yours. Did I ever
want to ride you? Well, no, said Baylim. Then God,
let Baylim see the angel standing in the road with
the sword. Baylem bowed his head and fell flat on
his face. So is this story true or is it
something that was just made up?
Speaker 8 (06:10):
That was a long story?
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Tim, you couldn't have found the like the cliffs Notes version,
good Gravy.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
Show's over all.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Right, guys, see you next time.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
So Jack doesn't have to look it up because you
found the store. You found it.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Okay, you're breathing hard.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
Yeah, no, you know, it's it's amazing that.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (06:33):
Robert said, Tim, you need to talk on this on
the podcast, and did say that. Yeah, and Tim went
wow today Buck Wow. You know, the Bible says it.
It's in the Word of God. It's noted as a
in a in a time period and in a certain place. Right,
(06:58):
I believe it's true. I believe it's true because it's
in the Word of God. Secondly, I believe it's true
because it depicts something in our life. Okay, we don't
want to recognize the spiritual world, but here's a donkey
that did, and it brings us to a moral point.
(07:23):
Concerning Christ. Are you can do you witness in the
spiritual realm or do you witness in the earthly realm?
Baalim was witnessing in the earthly realm because all he
saw what was earthly. The donkey, however, saw into the
spiritual realm and saw the Angel. Now this is funny
(07:45):
because the Bible, in other Bible Versus says tells us
to be careful, you never know when you'll be entertain angels.
This also leads us to another point that during Lot's
time and during Abraham's time, the angels came to them often,
(08:06):
and they were in the form of a man men.
They They weren't some ghost apparash, apparition, operationalition. They were
appeared as men because in Lot's time they were so
(08:27):
appealing as men that other men wanted to have sex
with them.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Okay, as depicted in the story with Sodom and Gomore.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Sodom Gomoor, where a Lot and the angels came to
Lot and they said, we're going to destroy this city
for their debauchery. He said, so, I want you and
your family to come out now. Because Lot was fat
was Abraham had had petitioned for Lot's family and brought
them out. And this is where, uh, you know, we're
(08:58):
trying to separate today. What is what people think is
myth is sometimes reality? And what is a good story?
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Okay, but before you get onto the lot situation, what
in the story about the donkey separates it from being
a parable or from being just a story that's told
as opposed to an actual factual situation.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
That's a good question, Bobby.
Speaker 9 (09:30):
Well, the things that make it a factual situation is
one is the time.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Well you said that once, but elaborate what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 9 (09:39):
Okay? Okay. If something happens in a chronological timed point
in history, like the birth of Christ and the death
of Christ, and there's other factors surrounding it, like kings
or or peasants of the time, who was the peasants?
(10:02):
That's who was the slaves? That these are big tells
of whether or not this time period was real. Okay, Okay,
this is in the Book of Kings. Okay, this is
a back in the back during this time, the Jewy
Jews or the at this time it was probably the Hebrews.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Did you just say jewy Jews?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
No, back in this time, back in this time, they
they they were they found they had a lot of
fear of God, is what I'm trying to say, and
they kept things factual. They didn't just elaborate things, because
the Word says that there's a penalty for that, right, okay.
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And the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God.
That's the beginning of it. So to have wisdom, you
keep the fear of God. And when you're reading scripture
or studying scripture, you maintain that fear. Because I'm here
to tell you that we may have a lot of
fun here, but what we do, we need to fear
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God before we go and open our mouths and say
something that is not factual or or not let people,
let let not emphasize that we're that we're bringing up
something that we don't know all the information on because
there's not much spoken on it. Sure, okay, but this
(11:30):
took place at a certain time with a certain person
in history.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
And that's one thing I wanted to allude to is
that with this particular story, as opposed to say, one
of Jesus's parables, there is not a there's no preface
of it being a story as when Jesus was telling
his parables. It would start off with there was a man,
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or there was you know whatever. It's like he is
telling us to like because it is a story that's
being told where this is a factual event, the same
factual event here as with say the situation on one
of our previous shows with the giants. They you know,
the story is depicting that these giants, the nephilum, were
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as tall as cedars and as strong as oaks.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
And cedars are huge, right, okay, and thirty five feet.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Tall, right, and that's what a lot of them is,
I think.
Speaker 9 (12:32):
Well, and it also says that the Jews of the
time said that they appeared to these giants as grasshoppers, right, okay,
And that is a huge.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
It's huge.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
That's huge, and most people would consider that a myth.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
And guys, if you don't know what we're talking about,
we'll go to our show our site, show show site site.
I'm going to get it out right eventually, uh and
look it up. I think it was like maybe our
third or fourth episode, but we really go in depth
about that, and it's it's very intriguing to me because
I personally never considered it that way.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I'm still kind of on the fence.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Whether it truly is, whether it was an exaggeration from
the people because they were that afraid that, you know,
because when people get their emotions involved, that's why they
always anytime there's a crime scene, you never rely on
a single source of a single eyewitness. You always get
multiple eyewitnesses because there's the emotions almosting. Yeah, well, they
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almost put a lens over the eye that allow them
to see what they need to see to process the information.
And so that's why I think that, you know, with
the nephilum Uh, there's a very strong case that says
that they were actually what it says, but there's still
that there's a small little window of poss stability that
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it was just an exaggeration.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Well, I would I would have to disagree, okay. And
the reason being is because it's mentioned in a couple
different locations in the Bible. One it talks about a
king of the giants after many had been I say
it was thrown sloan slain slain that after many had
(14:25):
been slain, the king of the giants had a bed
made of iron, okay, to hold his girth, his weight,
and he was the bed was thirteen and a half
feet long. Okay, now that's not thirty five feet. But
you know, if you look at the Bible history of genealogy,
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I noticed this one day when I was studying the
genealogy from Adam. It starts out that they're nine hundred
years old on average. Okay, Then it drops down to
four hundred years old, and then it drops down to
two hundred and thirty years old on average. And then
it drops down and God says, after the flood, man
will be one hundred and twenty years So you see
(15:09):
a digression or a tapering down, A big declines by
half on each one of the length of life the
humans would be. Well, I can see after the biggest
giants being killed, because they would have been the worst enemies,
that after the biggest giants had been killed, probably in
(15:30):
their sleep, because that way they didn't kill fifty or
one hundred men, okay, that they would kill the biggest
ones first and thereby leaving the smallest ones. Now, according
to the word, there's different locations in the Bible where
(15:52):
it refers to the nephuline and the giants and how
big they were and that's if it was only one
spot in a word, I would have to disagree with.
I'd have to say, oh, well, you know.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
You have to say, well, I yeah, maybe they are exaggerating.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
Right, But there's another point. And the other point of
that is this that upon when Noah was charged, when
Noah was given charge of building the arc, God cried
out he said, I am sorry that I made man.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Imagine that statement than he said, I.
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Am sorry that I made man. They have become so
corrupt that only one was found righteous. It doesn't say
Noah's sons were righteous. It doesn't say his daughter in
laws are righteous. It says only one was found righteous, Noah.
I mean, yeah, Noah. And but at that point humankind
(16:56):
was so defiled that God had to destroy it. So
who are we to say that that they weren't giants?
We see today some tribes that the tun sea or
whatever they're called, they grow as like seven and a
half eight feet is a normal height, okay, And to
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us or to Tim, there giants and they're giants.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Okay, Well I am I am a giant according to Tim.
But anyway, sorry, Tim.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
So I'd have to say this is a factual time, Yeah, Okay, now,
can I bring up a couple other spots.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yes, this is what we're doing today.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Okay. You know, guys, we all know that there's certain
things in science that the scientists always say, oh, you know,
that doesn't go with science, and so therefore it couldn't
have happened, and things you know, like the Big Bang
theory and creation. Okay, they say that the world's been
(18:00):
around for multi hundreds of millions of years, and that
to Christians doesn't fit into our biblical timeline, and to scientists,
the biblical timeline doesn't answer their questions, right, and so
but I wanted to show you the power of God
and according to science, because God is science, God made science,
(18:23):
God rules over science.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, science was originally designed to reinforce the.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Truths of God.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
You know, I didn't know that.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Yeah, the whole idea of.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Science back in the day was to basically to prove
God's existence. It wasn't until you know, it wasn't until
you know, the past. I don't know two or three
hundred years that the real science I mean, because obviously
you had some like Aristotle back in the you know,
way back when they didn't believe the philosophers.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Yeah, the philosophers and stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
But yeah, the core of science, at least from my understanding,
was that it was to prove the creation, to prove,
you know, to show that Gods is the creator.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Then came along Darwin.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
In Second king and by the way, Darwin accepted God
as the creator of the universe before he died. In
Second Kings six, we're talking about something that defies gravity,
that defies science, and says the company of the prophets
said to Elijah, look, the place where we meet with
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you is too small for us. In other words, the
amount of congregation compared to the building size didn't fit. Okay,
we've had churches in modern day where there was just
so many church, so many people in the church that
they had to go to three and four meetings in
a morning on Sunday, okay, because they just couldn't get
all the members in at once. Well, their idea was
(19:58):
to build a bigger place. So they said, let us
go to the Jordan, where each of us can get
a pole, and let us build a place there for
us to live. And he said go. Then one of
them said, won't you please come with your servants. I
will Elijah replied, Elijah, and Elijah, and he went with them.
(20:20):
He went with them. They went to the Jordan and
began to cut down trees. As one of them was
cutting down a tree, the iron axe head. If you've
ever seen an axe, you know what he's talking about.
The steel end of the axe that cuts through the wood.
It says it fell into the water, and the person
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wilding that said, oh, my lord, he cried out, it
is borrowed. In other words, this was a tool that
was borrowed from a friend. And in these days, if
you didn't bring it back, you were held in debt,
or you were considered a thief in likelihood. And he says,
when he showed him, then a man of God asked
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where did it fall? It's kind of crazy, guys, the
thought that that the Bible calls Elijah what the man
of God? Okay, wouldn't that be a wonderful title for
somebody to call you out? When he showed hi? When?
Speaker 7 (21:19):
When?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Where? Where did it fall? Elijah asked. When he showed
him the place, Elijah cut a stick and threw it
through it there and made the iron float, lifted lift
it out, he said. Then the man reached out his
hand and took it. So Elijah, through the power of God,
(21:44):
made iron and iron axe head float on top of
the water to where it could be reached my hand.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
See.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Now, that is something that that you've I've heard as
being just one of those fable things that the Bible
throws in there to you know, it's like they needed
they needed something to to be miraculous, so they threw
it in there. Another example of people that just you know,
(22:13):
people make their claims that oh, that's just that's just
part of the story. It helps to give it some
pizaz or whatever. Is the when Jesus walked on water
and the whole idea of it's twofold. He walked on water, right,
and then there's another scene later where he appeared on
(22:33):
the boat. Right, it was that and they're in the
same story.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
He walked on water and when he got on the boat, Yeah,
the boat transported it said it immediately it was in
a storm and immediately was on shore. So that meant
it crossed half the lake, which would have taken as
long to cross half the lake as it didn't get
to the center of the lake, which is sometime. But
(22:59):
immediately the boat and all of its occupants were on
the shore that they were headed to, so they were transported.
I know this is going to bowl a lot of
ministers out of the water because they're going to say, oh,
you're reading into this, but that's what the word says.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
That sound like something you said, that's what the word says.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
It says immediately they were on the other side.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
You think that would probably blow the occupants out of
the water.
Speaker 9 (23:24):
Oh okay, another attempted human Okay, good job, Tim, Yeah,
I know it's funny, of course you did. Okay. Now
I want to go into something. A lot of Christians
have a big problem with the story of Jonah. Okay, yes,
(23:45):
a lot of Christians have a hard time believing that
the things that happened the Bible are factual. And one
of the biggest is the Big Fish story. Yes, okay,
and you know here, here's the story. Disney tried to
put this story into cartoon and they used it for Pinocchio.
(24:09):
And it's funny that Pinocchio was doing wrong. He was
not doing what he was told to do. He was
told originally to go buy take this money and go
buy something and ended up doing losing the money and
then running away. Okay, Well, in the story of Jonah,
(24:35):
God told him to go to the Ninovites and minister
unto the Ninovites. And now, guys, this in itself is a.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Huge, huge thing.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
At this time the Ninovites we were baby killers. They
offered babies to their gods. They some of them were
considered cannibals, and they raided at this time Jonah's people.
And they were the worst enemies of Jonah's people. If
(25:09):
you just to mention their name probably would have been
a crime. Okay. And here's Jonah saying God, instead of
instead of Jonah saying, hey, God wants me to be
a minister unto you people, unto all of his flock. No,
Jonah says, I am told by God to go to
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these people that would kill me, that would would upon
sight know I'm an enemy and want to destroy me
or kill me or eat me, and putting his own
life in harm's way. Commanded by God to go to
their staunch enemies. How many of us would have would
(25:55):
have or have the guts to go to Iran or
Tehran and get off the boat and start preaching the
word of God and tell all of Iran and Obama
job or whatever his name is. Hey, you turn around
from your evil, wicked ways. Not only am I going
(26:18):
to preach Christ, but I'm going to call them sinners
and defilers and basically attack them verbally and tell them
that if they don't give into God's will, who they have, no,
they have zero belief in God, that they that they
(26:40):
will be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah. Okay. And for
the minister for the for the King, first of all,
for him to get an audience to the king would
have been unheard of. He was just an enemy. But
a lot of people think that the part where he
goes into the belly of the fish is a myth,
(27:03):
but it's But Jesus Christ at the end and talking
about the last days states that the last days on
earth will be like the time of no of Jonah.
And he explains that when he talking about the sign
of him, he will he will be in the belly
(27:28):
for three days. He will be you know, brought out
and the people will be saved, the Heathens will be saved.
This is a depiction of Jesus Christ and the Cross. Okay.
And so you you there will be no sign but
the sign of Jonah. So that means that Jonah. What
was Jonah? I don't care how you look at it.
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Jonah was probably the most reluctant messenger in the whole Bible.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Even after he did it, he hated the fact that
he did it. Yes, I mean he did it, but
afterwards he's like, I don't know why I did this.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
Okay, So I go to a I was I did.
I was a kind of a chaplain to California Men's
calling and I and the people that I counseled with
were serial killers. And one day, my beautiful wife said,
(28:23):
and I always had to make time to go there
and talk to them, to one person in particular, and
my wife told me, it's like you like those guys
that more than your own family, okay. And all I
heard was was this Jonah thing. I didn't want to
(28:45):
go into prison. I didn't want to go talk to
a serial killer.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
I didn't want to offer him forgiveness.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Right, But that's what you were called to do.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
That's what you're called to Just like a minister who's
called to go into a child serial rapist and plead
for their soul. Most people say, let them die.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Let them go to hell.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
They deserve it. But Jesus Christ use this this factual
time to present this to us. And guys, when you're
reading this Bible, let me say this. If it's in
the Word of God, it's truth.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
So you either believe the Word of God or you don't.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
You know, it's like a contract. If one lie of
the contract does not agreed upon, does it make the
whole contract void.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
It's void, right, that's it.
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I tell you what I like, and that's some good pizza.
And for lunch, I like good pizza. And for dinner,
I like good pizza. But check it out.
Speaker 10 (30:23):
Yeah, straw Hat Pizza Bar and Grill they have good
pizza and they have a good deal on lunch. Monday
through Friday from eleven am to three pm. That's a
good time to get a good deal on lunch. You
get an individual one topping pizza with a drink for
just six ninety nine that is a wonderful price for
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this economy. Straw Hat Pizza is located in Clovis, California,
right next door to Fresno at eighty West Shaw Avenue.
That's eighty West Shaw Avenue. You could order through the
phone by five five nine three two three one three
zero zero five five nine three two three thirteen hundred,
(31:09):
or you could order online by going to www dot
straw Hatpizza dot com. They are open from eleven am
and they close at ten pm. And guess what they
have games, They have pizza, They got sports on their TVs.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
There.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
It's a family favorite since nineteen fifty nine. And guess what.
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The NFL is upon us now the brand new season
here for twenty five.
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You gotta go check it out.
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Everybody straw had pizza, bar and grill.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Well, mister Jack, am I real or a myth? I
guess you have to find me to see. It's good
to hear the three of you back at it though.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
I hope you.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
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