August 20, 2025 • 47 mins
In this episode KJ reviews a 2012 video of a swamp ape in the Florida Panhandle that was featured on the television show "The Proof is Out There". Bill covers a Bigfoot sighting from that Salmonberry Canyon area of Oregon from a gentleman from a lumber trucking company. And finally we will cover some great listener mail. Please join us!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, everybody, It's me Cinderoa Acts. I'm just listening to
the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys with
my cass livers. Anyway, so Chad White, the fringe cowboy,
I mean, he's like he took a leave of absence
or whatever, and so the guys asked me to do
(00:27):
the network. I D So you're listening to the Fringe
Radio Network. I know, I was gonna say it, Fringe
Radio Network dot com? What oh chat? Oh yeah? Do
you have the app? It's the best way to listen
to the Fringe Radio Network. I mean it's so great.
(00:49):
I mean it's clean and simple, and you have all
the shows, all the episodes, and you have the live chat,
and it's it's safe and it won't hurt your phone
and it sounds beautiful and it won't track you or
trace you and you don't have to log in to
use it. How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot com
(01:13):
right at the top of the page. So anyway, so
we're just gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and
listening to the Fringe Radio Network. And so I guess
you know, I mean, I guess we're listening together, So
I mean, I know, I mean well, I mean, I
guess you might be listening to a different episode or whatever,
(01:33):
or or maybe maybe you're listening maybe you're listening to it,
like at a different time than we are. But I mean, well,
I mean, if you accidentally just downloaded this, no, I
guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling. Okay, okay, you're listening
to the Fringe Radio Network Fringe radionetwork dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
There are you happy?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay, let's clean these chimneys.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Hey, kevles, let's follow this trail over here. This looks
like there might be something waiting down there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
All right, Hey, wait a minute, do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah? I thought it was just me.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
What the heck is that? I don't know what that is?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Whoa do you smell that too?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
They locked that they look.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Those branches are moving over there. What the heck is that?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Holy cow? Is that what I think it is? Look
at that day?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's a freaking sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Welcome to the Bigfoot Terra in the Woods, Sidings and
Encounters podcast. I am your host. Wjcan, author of the series,
of books, Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, Sightings and Encounters,
thirty eight volumes available in paperback and audio format at
Amazon and Audible. And actually everything's at Amazon, and you
(03:19):
can go to Bigfoot Terror Indewoods dot com or website
and there are viable links to all the books there
that will take you where you want to go. And
now may I introduce you to my brother and co
host kJ she and keV. How are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I'm doing all right. I'm a little warm, you know,
like the rest of the country. North Carolina has been
pretty hot lately.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. I was outsiding in my new pellet gun today
and man, it was freaking hot. Yeah, but I got
the job done. It was interesting. I think I had
a problem with the original scope I was trying to use,
and I wound up using the quote cheap one that
(04:05):
came with the gun. But the cross hairs seemed to
work fine.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And what kind of pelican? Did you get a pump? Or?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I got this great? Yeah? I got this brake barrel
Gammo ga m oh. They had pretty good review reviews
for accuracy, and you know, so I picked this up
and after quite a bit of trial and error, I
resorted to the inexpensive scope. That was the only downfall
(04:37):
with the gun was people. Many people complained about the
quality of the scope, not the accuracy of the shot.
And I used it, and it's a little it's not
an expensive scope, let's put it that way. So, but
when you got the crosshairs on, when you were looking
at what you were looking at, h and I got
(05:00):
my left and right and down projections set correctly trajectories,
I'm able to put some pellets in a two inch circle,
you know, in a good pattern. So that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Cool, so very good.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah. So, uh that was it. You know, I meant
to ask you. Oh, I meant to say to you,
you know, if we ever get a chance again, to
uh go see that Get the Lead Out again. Man,
that was just oorious.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, folks. I took my brother, probably about a month
ago now up to see the tribute band to led Zeppelin,
one of my favorite bands called Get the Leadout in Huntington,
Long Island at the Paramount Theater. And hats off to
the Paramount for putting on a great show. And of
course hats off to uh Get the Lead Out for
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getting to let out with us. I've seen him before,
so as the band says, I'm a repeat offender, first
time for my brother. We had a great night. And
Bill I did put that picture up of you and
I in front of the Paramount at Bigfoot Tear into
Woods dot com under fun stuff, so if you go
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looking fun stuff, you'll see a picture of us there.
And that was a great night. I'd love to see
him again with you.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, Rich Lloyd said he checked out the picture on
the website. Oh cool, and he commented on me rocking
my freaking glow in the dark blazer.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh yeah, sparkling blazer. It wasn't even sparkly in that picture.
When you Rich, when you saw him under the spotlights
in the inside the theater, it was like diamond studied.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Regular. I'm a regular Liberaci.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
With the Bigfoot playing the guitar on your T shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. Yeah, that was a good night, man, I told you. Bill.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I showed it to one of my friends from work
and they said, is that one of the guys in
the band? I said, no, that's my brother.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's my brother. What is pointy shoes? So what do
we have on Kryptis in the news and other oddities today?
Keb Yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Know, it's been so darn hot. I have been watching
more videos than normal, and I came across this twenty
twelve bigfoot or skunk ape siding in Florida at in
Terrea Park. And again it was twenty twelve filmed by
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a guy named Stacy Brown Junior, who was out with
his father, Stacy Brown Senior, who's now deceased. But what's
interesting A lot of things are interesting about this video footage,
But Stacy Brown Sr. Was a retired Army ranger, so,
you know, not a guy that could be easily shaken up.
(08:09):
So put that on the shelf for a couple of
minutes here and then this footage. Although I saw it
before this point in time, when it was featured on
a great TV show called The Proof Is out There,
which I like very much, I missed it, I guess
when it first went out live on The Proof Is
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out There. But I came across it while I was
in the house trying to stay cool, and I watched
The Proof Is Out There analysis of this video and
they gave it, like, you know, big thumbs up that
you know it's likely very much legit. But let's talk
about it a little bit and folks, my brother rarely
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knows what I'm going to talk about when we do
a podcast, but once in a while, if I'm going
to review a video, I tell him about it and
I send him a link so he can watch before
we talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So tonight's Kevin, let me chime in and add that
anybody who catches any episodes of The Proof is out
there knows that these guys have no problem ripping you
a new one. If they think that you staged it
or there's something phony baloney about it, they will just
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tell you straight up yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
And by the way, I'll give you an example, folks,
of one of the best debunkings I've seen on Aaron
there's a lot of them, Like they bring in all
of the experts that analyze the video of the sound
you name it, And they did that one which I
featured on this podcast, where the guy was mushroom hunting
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somewhere in the Pacific Northwest and he heard the roars
of the Bigfoot, and I thought, well, this is pretty serious.
And they analyze that a couple of years ago and
they found a direct match to the sound that this
guy said he heard to the sound of a dinosaur
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from that old TV show from the seventies or eighties
called The Land of the Lost.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, so I mean, who's going to come up with that?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I know? And they found it and it was an
exact digital match. So that mushroom hunter might have been
eating a few exotic mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yea, psilocybin hunting in the exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well when he decided to try to trick us all.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, And so I give kudos to these guys because
they are very credible in my opinion. They're not in
the business of, you know, just buying everything for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
No, they're not going along with it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
No, So they're doing it due diligence. Go ahead, couch. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So let's talk about this a little bit. So you
know this father son team of Stacy Brown Junior Stacy
Brown Senior, they're out in this park, Terrea Park in Florida,
and it's late at night on a Tuesday night, and
they're going camping together and the sun. Stacy Brown Junior
is someone who's really into looking for Bigfoot and was
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at this time as well. So they're going out to
roam around in the forest together and they are talking
about the fact that maybe hey, Dad, you know, maybe
we can catch a bigfoot and I'll get it on
film tonight, right. Right, But they're out there and they're
hanging out at the camp. Apparently they're listening to some
heavy metal on the radio or the player whatever it
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was back in twenty twelve. And this park, which is
out in the Florida Panhandle apparently is very rugged. Right,
So they're there and they're listening to apparently the band
White Zombie, and they start and they're cook cooking some
ribs and listening to metal music and they hear what
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sounds like a knock from the surrounding woods, and Stacy
Junior says, right away, hey, Dad, like, that's them, quote.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Unquote that's them.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeahlude, you know, insinuating that it's a bigfoot. And the dad, right,
the former arranger, is like, come on, you know, forget it.
Let's get back to the music and let's get these
ribs done. And they start to hear more and more
knocking on the trees, and then they hear some vocalization
from the beasts, some grunts and growls and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's like it was trying to get their attention for
a moment, you.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Know, maybe they were saying, like, hey, turn down to music.
Well you nobody likes white Zombie.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, how about some beatles?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
So but anyway, so the father then is like, all right,
wait a minute, like there's something going on here. And
he feels a little uneasy as well. The army ranger
feels uneasy. Right, that's a bad sign.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So they have a flair forward looking infrared camera with them, right,
because the sun is a bigfoot hunter. And they hear
it again. They hear some more growling, and the Father's like,
come on, let's go. Let's go into the woods and
see what we hear. And they hear noise on either
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side of them, kind of like something running, you know,
in the leaves and branches snapping and stuff like that.
Very typical, very typical. And then they stop and Stacey
sr raises the thermal imager and you see this on film, right,
I showed you the film bill, So it's thermal image.
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And you see this like light everything is like a
light color, and this early flare shows the heats signature
dark on a light background. And you see this like
sliver of a dark image next to a tree. And
apparently if you looked at it, very closely, you'd see
the image on either side of the tree.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, it's like a slice back and forth side.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It like it was hiding behind the tree, which we've
seen before. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, this thing,
clear as day, makes a leap across the space between
two large trees and you saw the image bill, right,
I mean no doubt about it. This is not a deer,
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it's not a bear, etc.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, you could see it's extremely bulky. And doctor Meldrum
had commented on it that you know, first of all, keV,
who's going to be running around naked in the Florida
woods at night in the dark.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well, that was part of what they debunked, you know.
They said, like if it was somebody wearing a pair
of shorts or whatever, you'd see a different heat signature,
you know, where they were covered compared to the bare
skin right where it was all uniform. Now, you know,
somebody said, well, they could have been wearing a furry suit, right,
so it would be a uniform heat signature. But you
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got to be a maniac to be running around out
in the forest on a Tuesday night with a furry
suit on in Florida.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
But really, the only people there are two guys kind
of camping out cooking ribs, like.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
In one of them an army rangers.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, you're putting on a performance for them. They can
pull a trigger.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
On you pretty well armed, I'm sure, I'm sure so.
But but furthermore, the other way it was debunked, you know,
to say it wasn't someone in a suit. When you
see the image, folks, it is. It doesn't look human,
it doesn't look like a bear. And they even point
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out some of the experts on their say it's not
an epe either because the legs are too long.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, anybody who's seen like a silver
back walking around their hind legs. I mean they're not
running anywhere. There's no long legs outstretched, there's no big
legs wing.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
They have short legs. When you see them stand up
on their hind legs and walk along or on their
legs and walk along, they they're they're kind of short legs, well.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Very short. I mean they're like eighty percent body twenty
percent legs exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So this thing and this doesn't have the same image
or a leg length to torso and stuff like that
of a human either, right, and it looks a lot
like the you know, the image in the Patty film
where you know, Patty looks over the shoulder at Patterson
Gimlin when their filming.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Her tremendous arm swing. And also I don't know if
that had something in its hand or it had like
a clenched fist that looked like it had a glove on.
It was so big. Yeah, yeah, I mean a massive hand,
huge lanky arms, you know. And like Melgium commented, you know,
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the body on that thing was substantial. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And they did analysis to where they think like when
it moved behind between the trees in one step, what
was like a six foot span.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Maybe I might even
elongate that a little, but I think six is fair. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
And then I mentioned in the beginning, like here's this cool, calm,
certainly calm under pressure, former army ranger. So when he
sees this thing move and jump across between the trees,
his son said, he reportedly flipped out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
His immediate panicked words to his son were, quote, get
your gun, get your gun close.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Quote yeah, yeah, that's that's you know, that's something that
makes the hair stand up on the back of your
neck and you just say defend.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, And then his son, his son says, quote, he's
a retired Army ranger and I ain't seen my dad
shook like that close. Quote.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Now, listen, folks, you know you always hear me say
my little tagline at the end of the show. Always
carrying more gun than you think you're gonna need. But really,
you better be careful what you wish for. I mean,
I know there's a lot of people out there marching
around trying to locate Bigfoot in the dark with flashlights
and a bowie knife. Personally, I just think they're out
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of their minds. But man, one of these things comes
down on you. It's gonna come in a hurry. And
I mean your ass is grass and the Bigfoot is
the lawnmower, and that's what's gonna happen. Man. You know
I told you many times, Kevin, I do not want
to be in close. Quote is what it's like wanting
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to dance around with a two hundred and fifty pound
cougar or something. You think you're on the losing end.
You don't want that to be the situation.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Then, yeah, yeah, and know and like what sums it
up here, Bill is the uh the response right that
Stacey senor the ranger. Then he says to his son
that he wants to abandon this and get back to
the truck right away, like leave everything.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, what's the sense of waiting?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Oh yeah, And his son says to unquote, dude, we're
out here hoping to see a bigfoot and you just
filmed them, and you're ready to leave. And his father says, quote,
here smart asked you have the camera and go back
down there your damn self. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
A little common sense for failing over Junior. Yeah, oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah. And then they said when they were heading back
to their truck, they felt that it was following them
all the way along up this big hill to get
out of the park, and.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It probably was. There's that sixth sense, that sense of knowing,
you know, feeling that ominous feeling like I'm being watched.
When you feel like you're being watched, you are being
watched by something. It could be a deer in the
dock on your property. It could be a cougar in
the woods, could be a bigfoot. It could be a
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neighbor looking over the fence at you. But when you
feel like you are being watched, you need to honor
that and know that that is what is going on.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And this guy obviously had more common sense than his
son did, and his son was probably a guy that
would get in trouble if he was left to his
own devices after him, Yeah, had enough, Like, man, abandon
the camp. Let's get the heck out of here.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
A tent ain't worth it, a cooler ain't worth it.
Get out.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, And so then the show just to reach a
conclusion here, the show said that the official verdict that
they found at the end of analyzing this was that
it was an unknown creature and you know, but they
didn't say, you know, it was, you know, a hoax
or anything like that. And it's really mainly they couldn't
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identify it as anything one because it could be a
big foot of swamp ape and they don't really know
what that is. And then you know, this was an
early generation thermal imaging camera and it was pretty short
but very clear piece of video.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah. No, it's one of the best, one of the
best pieces of footage I've ever seen. Yeah, it was
really good, and you know, you take what you could
get the whole thing lasted like a split second.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, a couple of seconds.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But really, I mean, what can you expect. Man, We're
very fortunate that he caught what he did when he did. Yeah,
and it wasn't shaky, No, it was a steady film.
You saw the whole thing, like you said, it kind
of edging out behind the tree before it decided to
take a leap. You know. Yep. Wow man, good stuff. keV, Yeah,
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good stuff. And you know a lot of you folks
heed me talking about my friend Dave out in Oregon.
I'm not sure if I ever did Dave's account or accounts,
but I'm going to do him tonight. And if we
have done him before, they're worth hearing again. Dave started
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with his account in the same area that his friend
Kelly had had an encounter in nineteen eighty six, which
is the salmon Berry Canyon area in Oregon. And I
should preface this that Dave has been and still is
an Oregonian lagger for probably close to forty years now,
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in counting beginning his career in the Timber at eighteen
years of age. Now, his account is actually multifaceted. It's
covering a period of fifteen years. As you'll soon hear,
and this is what Dave had to share. My first
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encounter with a bigfoot creature occurred in two thousand and two,
some twenty miles as the crow flew from Salmonberry Canyon.
At that time, the crew was working a unit an
area of woods that they were cutting about five miles
from the main road, accessed by an old logging road
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that had been refurbished for the work. On our work sites,
we create what we call spurs or areas where one
truck can pull to the side while another passes, allowing
the free flow of men, materials, and lumber to move unimpeded.
Communication always via CB radio. Clearing a unit typically takes
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about three to four months, and we had been working
this one hard. When we are driving in or coming out,
everyone on the road is giving mile markers over the
radio so that one or the other can decide where
to pull over best and wait for the other to pass.
Loaded trucks always had the right of way during this process.
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This day, I was coming back in empty, having the
urge to take care of some morning business if you
follow me, and I had pulled into this old spur
that was somewhat overgrown, with a lot of tiny trees
and bushes having not been used or cleared in a
very long time. The day was miserable as far as
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the weather was concerned. Rain, sleet, and snow with the
order of the day. As I got out of the
truck and walked down into this little drawer to hide
in the woods and take a squat I had just
squatted down when a tube of sunlight shone down from
a momentary break in the cloud cover, illuminating what I
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thought was a big tree stump on the other side
of the drawer. My eyes were drawn to it, almost
almost like looking at a spotlight during a stage performance,
illuminating an actor. It was less than one hundred feet
away from me and noticeable. Well. The stump, or what
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I thought was a stump, stood to his feet, walked
up the the other side of this drawer without making
a sound, and was out of sight. Thinking back, what
are the odds of me walking down into the spot
to relieve myself in the same place where it appeared
this creature was already present doing the same thing, or
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perhaps it was just squatting down, But I think the
prior because I believe that it would have left seeing
me come in and not having waited. But they, like us,
when caught in the middle of something, just can't jump
up and run if you catch my drift. It had
moved away so quietly, taking advantage of the available cover
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as it did, so that I could only catch glimpses
of its upper body or lower body. From that point forward.
For the next fifteen years, the only people I talked
to about were my friend Kelly, who you now know Bill,
and my father, never mentioning a word to any other
loggers or acquaintances. It was perfectly camouflaged in this environment,
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reddish brown, about six to seven feet tall, I would say,
and not overly sized, more like a large NFL player
in paths now. Let's fast forward Bill to twenty seventeen,
when things ramped up. At that time, we were starting
a unit in the salmon Bury Canyon again, where Kelly,
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as you know had his experience, had experienced his trailer
attack in nineteen eighty six, about fifty miles away from
where we were. Mind you, folks, the salmon Bury Canyon
area is a tremendous swath of land. We were using
the same twenty mile long access road that Kelly had
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to get in and out. This area was part of
the infamous Tillamook burn, which took place in the nineteen thirties,
had also burned three more times, the last being in
the early fifties. Historically, the fire in the thirties was
the largest in United States history, only being surpassed by
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the California Wildfliers fires in recent times. The area was
filled with what we call second growth, untouched since the
last fire. It was summertime when the loader operator started
to talk about hearing chatter in the area. He was
insistent that he heard a couple of people talking and
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couldn't understand them, which happened repeatedly. He didn't see anybody,
and no one responded to his calling them. Shortly after that,
the shuttle operator had begun to hear the same thing,
now giving credence to what the loader operator had been saying.
So he took it upon himself to search out the
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area in his truck as best as he could in
such forest to find those responsible parties, but coming up empty,
having located not a single soul for his efforts. It
was now January. I had left the landing with my
first load of logs. At four point thirty am, several
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miles into the outbound a fellow in a pickup truck
radioed that he was coming in, and, knowing it would
be easier for me to stop near where I was,
I did so, pulling into a spot we called the
rock pit. The driver of the pickup was passing by
a rock wall with a steep drop off alongside it
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going down to a river below. So picture this, folks.
This road is up against a rock face and the
other side of the road is a steep drop off
going down to the river, So just visualize that as
we enter into this After the pickup truck had passed,
I proceeded to continue outbound, passing the very same wall
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and drop off I just described to your Bill when
I saw what, at first glance appeared to be a sizeable,
dark colored rock right in the tire track this other
guy had just made coming in. As I pulled closer
with my headlights on, it was not a rock, but
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a massive pile of crap, so I stopped. Other trucks
were coming behind me, so I didn't have much time
to dilley dolly around, but I poked around in this
pile for whatever reason, it was a bucketful, much more
than a grizzly would put out, and we didn't have
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any grizzlies around here. Now. Poking through this pile momentarily,
I found a giant pack rat fully intact, having not
even been chewed on at all, obviously having gone through
some being to be where it was. Less than a
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few minutes had passed since the pickup had driven through
here and my being there. The pile would have been
run over had it been made before his passing. It
was in the truck's tire track. Whatever had done this
had done so between his passing and my arrival at
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that location and left now. This spot was so rugged
that I believe a mountain goat would have had difficulty
getting in and out of there in a hurry. Yet
here was this pile of dung. As I said, it
was a bucketful. A week later, I was taking my
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first load out at about four point thirty am. Again
I had my headlights on, meandering through the forest on
this tight dirt road. The road was at best two
feet wider than the truck, with dense forest hard up
against it. As you drove periodically, the forest was thinner
(32:15):
in spots, allowing you albeit a flash in time to
see maybe sixty or seventy five feet deep into the woods.
Mind you, I'm loaded to the gills with heavy trees,
navigating mile upon mile of dirt road at night in
the Urgonian woods. As I round this right handle with
(32:38):
the truck, before I hooked into this right hand turn,
my head lights scoured into the trees on high beams
for maybe five seconds. And there it was, leaning against
a tree, its head tilting towards the trunk, and standing
(32:58):
perfectly still, was what looked like a massive silver back gorilla.
It was unmistakable, standing in the snow alongside a darkly
colored tree trunk covered in salt and pepper fur from
top to bottom. I had never seen anything like it.
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Broad shouldered and big. Now there was no way I
was stopping alone in the forest. And a week later
the unit was completed. It was now early spring when
another crew had gone into the area working to clear
a different unit nearby where we had spent the past
(33:41):
four months. They were in there well into the summer
working and it was months after they had finished that
I ran into one of them in town, starting a
conversation as we loggers are prone to do. I asked
them if anyone had seen anything while they were up there,
not letting on in the least as to what anything
(34:04):
might be. He told me immediately that the entire crew
had seen a silver, gray bigfoot walking along their cut,
quickly covering the ground. The loader operator had seen it
first from up on the deck along with the other men.
(34:27):
He radioed down to the guys in the brush, alerting
them of the presence of this monster. With the entire
crew now watching it, it had to be the same
monster I had set eyes on before they came in.
According to him, it walked along the edge of the
cut for several minutes in full sight of the crew,
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ducking into the trees and disappearing from view. After the fact,
crew members had made their way over to where it
had been seen, coming across numerous footprints. As I said,
I'm never comfortable in the woods anymore, knowing what's there,
having seen it with my own two eyes. As much
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as the run of cougars we have going on here
in the state is a royal pain in the butt.
I can't even fathom running into one of these guys
under any circumstances. What I saw and now know to
be true could squeeze you around the waist and pop
your head off like uncorking a bottle. Now. Dave also
(35:35):
commented that an old railway line runs through the Salmonbury Canyon,
having many tunnels. According to Dave, that would make an
excellent shelter for such creatures, and I have to agree
with him. As a side note, referencing Dave saying it
could pop your head off like a cork, a good
(35:57):
friend of mine by the name of Philip, a former coroner,
said he once examined a man's body that an Abrams
tank had run over. According to Philip, the man's head
had popped off his body, leading me to believe that
perhaps Dave is not far from the truth with his
(36:21):
surmisal of Bigfoot's power. What do you think of that, kid? Wow?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
That is of course from the hotbed of Bigfoot sidings
in Oregon. And you know somebody who's out there all
the time in the woods. You know, a lumber truck driver, lumberman,
you know. So we always say, how are you going
to see one? Well, you've got to be out there
a lot to see one.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, And these guys are living out there. Yeah, and nighttime, daytime,
Dave goes to work at two am in the woods,
you know, and he's already. You know, the landing areas
all lit up spotlights, machinery with big floodlights on it.
You know, there's machines cutting, trimming up logs, getting ready
(37:14):
to load up the trucks to clear the landing. As
the day begins and the guys start to come in
with light where they're working.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
The landing is where they're hauling the trees back to
with the traveler or whatever they call it after they
cut them down.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, the landing is a deck area, right, and typically
it's running down a hillside cabling going overhead. It's really
Dave has sent me numerous videos of the operations the
machinery so I could see and understand how things work.
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It's a tremendous operation and you know they're out there
and that's not the last time the stuff. So that
was just Dave's initial encounters. Mind you, folks, Dave and
I have become very good friends, like Rich Lloyd, my
friend Philip, many others, and all of these guys had
(38:15):
originally contacted me through the podcast. Just to chat it
up about what they had seen. And the longer I've
known these guys, the more credible everything they have said
to me rings true. So I have no reason to
doubt any of these fellows. Awesome, they stand up members
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of their communities.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I could go on and on and on about what
great men they are, their wives, and I have zero
doubt about the integrity of these people, and I would have.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
No question as to whether or not what they were
telling me was the truth. Awesome, It is awesome, isn't he? Yeah,
So there you have it. That was my buddy Dave cool.
And as you can see, he had a couple of
different How about that bucket of turd in the middle
(39:15):
of a tire track in basically an area like where
did this bigfoot go? He had a rock wall on
one side and a drop off going down to a
river on the other and he appears in the middle
of the road, cops a squat And then where did
he go over the side down to the river or
(39:37):
climb the rocky wall? You know, it's just a bizarre thing.
You know, nobody knows. Yeah, yeah, crazy man, huh?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Or hidden in plain sight?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah? Well he could have been. You know he could
have just been hanging off the side of the edge. Well,
Dave was there looking and he didn't even know who
was there, you know what I mean. Yeah, but that's it, keV.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
What do we have.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, we got some good listener mail and folks, thank
you so much for writing in. Yah, we'll cover a
couple of emails today, but we got a ton of them,
which is great. Evan from Idaho another hotbed, he writes in,
and the subject is creepy creatures of the Philippines, and
he says, Hey, brother, Shean, I have a good Filipino
(40:27):
friend that was telling me about some of the cryptids
and creatures of his homeland. I'm sure you've covered the
Filipino version of Bigfoot before, called Amal Bungo. If not,
it's worth checking out. Well, Evan, I don't think we've
covered that one.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No, and I have never heard of him.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I've never heard of it, so so thank you. And
then he says, I also wanted to bring to your
attention another figure from their folklore called Mana non gall
Mana Nongall. He says, I'll let you look it up yourself,
but let's just say it's as creepy as they come
and would make a great Halloween character. So Evan, I'll
(41:13):
check them both out, and Evan says, keep up the
great work, Evan from Idaho. Two good tips there.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, that's Awesomeuse We're gonna have to look into that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
And then our second email comes in from Bradley, and
Bradley's written in before and he says, you all referenced
Expedition Bigfoot season one, more so referencing, excuse me, the
team member who got sick and had to leave the show.
I think they called him RPG and the cause or
(41:51):
supposed cause of his illness was infrasound.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, yes, sound has.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Been linked to Bigfoot. I know it had been brought
up in later episodes on the show. Yeah, and that's uh,
you know, I don't remember that, Bill, but I think
you were talking about that.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, And you know, some studies have been done that, like,
for instance, Tiger's growling. They claim that the tigers low
end goes into this infrasound when they you know, you know,
way down deep beyond our hearing and apparently, I mean
(42:32):
it's it's it suggested that this can have some type
of intimidating or immobilizing effect on the hearers. So the listener, the.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Pitch of the sound can actually hurt you.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, or it stuns you. It does something. And RPG
in that episode became like very sick, and Maria, Maria
Mayor as a woman, the motherly instinct I call it,
was like troubled about him, and she kept going to him,
(43:09):
are you okay, RPG, are you okay? And then finally
he said no, I'm not okay, and they wound up
taking it out, taking him out of there, and he
never came back to exhibition expedition Bigfoot Wow. So they
interviewed him on some time later and he just talked,
(43:31):
you know, I'm doing okay and whatnot. And I guess
I surmise he just said, I've had enough, you know,
the way the way that hit me. I don't need
to go there.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Sure. Sure, and you're in a really rural place and
you get gravely ill, that's enough.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah. Yes, So I'm sure they got hookups people that
could take him out a helicopter if they had to. No,
but still it's scary, yeah, very scary, amazing up awesome.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
So that's what we got, Bill, Thanks for writing in
and thanks especially for listening and giving us those five
star reviews. The reviews are virtually the only way we
have of attracting new listeners. So give us a five
star review as soon as you can.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes. And also if you buy a book, do the same. Okay,
give us all five stars. It goes a long way.
Don't look. Leave it up at somebody else to do
what you could do for us. You know, we appreciate
everybody out there. We love you guys. We love doing
this podcast, and we hope you enjoy what we do.
(44:34):
And remember, if you should find yourself in the salmonberry
or walking through the woods of Maine or anywhere else,
you best remember one thing. My friends always carry more
gun than you think you're going to need.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Sleep tight.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderella X. I'm just listening to
the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys with
my cast livers. Anyway, so Chad White, the Fringe cowboy,
I mean, he's like he took a leave of absence
or whatever, and so the guys asked me to do
(45:42):
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you have the It's the best way to listen to
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(46:05):
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you and you don't have to log in to use it.
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(46:29):
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gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and listening to
the Fringe Radio Network. And so I guess, you know,
I mean, I guess we're listening together. So I mean,
I know, I mean well, I mean, I guess you
might be listening to a different episode or whatever, or
(46:50):
or maybe maybe you're listening maybe you're listening to it,
like at a different time than we are. But I mean, well,
I mean, if you accidentally just down loaded this, no,
I guess you'd be okay, I'm rambling, Okay, Okay, you're
listening to the Fringe radio network, fringeradionetwork dot com. There
(47:13):
are you happy, Okay, let's clean these chimneys.
Hi, everybody, It's me Cinderoa Acts. I'm just listening to
the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys with
my cass livers. Anyway, so Chad White, the fringe cowboy,
I mean, he's like he took a leave of absence
or whatever, and so the guys asked me to do
(00:27):
the network. I D So you're listening to the Fringe
Radio Network. I know, I was gonna say it, Fringe
Radio Network dot com? What oh chat? Oh yeah? Do
you have the app? It's the best way to listen
to the Fringe Radio Network. I mean it's so great.
(00:49):
I mean it's clean and simple, and you have all
the shows, all the episodes, and you have the live chat,
and it's it's safe and it won't hurt your phone
and it sounds beautiful and it won't track you or
trace you and you don't have to log in to
use it. How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot com
(01:13):
right at the top of the page. So anyway, so
we're just gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and
listening to the Fringe Radio Network. And so I guess
you know, I mean, I guess we're listening together, So
I mean, I know, I mean well, I mean, I
guess you might be listening to a different episode or whatever,
(01:33):
or or maybe maybe you're listening maybe you're listening to it,
like at a different time than we are. But I mean, well,
I mean, if you accidentally just downloaded this, no, I
guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling. Okay, okay, you're listening
to the Fringe Radio Network Fringe radionetwork dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
There are you happy?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay, let's clean these chimneys.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Hey, kevles, let's follow this trail over here. This looks
like there might be something waiting down there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
All right, Hey, wait a minute, do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah? I thought it was just me.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
What the heck is that? I don't know what that is?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Whoa do you smell that too?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
They locked that they look.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Those branches are moving over there. What the heck is that?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Holy cow? Is that what I think it is? Look
at that day?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's a freaking sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Welcome to the Bigfoot Terra in the Woods, Sidings and
Encounters podcast. I am your host. Wjcan, author of the series,
of books, Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, Sightings and Encounters,
thirty eight volumes available in paperback and audio format at
Amazon and Audible. And actually everything's at Amazon, and you
(03:19):
can go to Bigfoot Terror Indewoods dot com or website
and there are viable links to all the books there
that will take you where you want to go. And
now may I introduce you to my brother and co
host kJ she and keV. How are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I'm doing all right. I'm a little warm, you know,
like the rest of the country. North Carolina has been
pretty hot lately.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. I was outsiding in my new pellet gun today
and man, it was freaking hot. Yeah, but I got
the job done. It was interesting. I think I had
a problem with the original scope I was trying to use,
and I wound up using the quote cheap one that
(04:05):
came with the gun. But the cross hairs seemed to
work fine.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And what kind of pelican? Did you get a pump? Or?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I got this great? Yeah? I got this brake barrel
Gammo ga m oh. They had pretty good review reviews
for accuracy, and you know, so I picked this up
and after quite a bit of trial and error, I
resorted to the inexpensive scope. That was the only downfall
(04:37):
with the gun was people. Many people complained about the
quality of the scope, not the accuracy of the shot.
And I used it, and it's a little it's not
an expensive scope, let's put it that way. So, but
when you got the crosshairs on, when you were looking
at what you were looking at, h and I got
(05:00):
my left and right and down projections set correctly trajectories,
I'm able to put some pellets in a two inch circle,
you know, in a good pattern. So that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Cool, so very good.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah. So, uh that was it. You know, I meant
to ask you. Oh, I meant to say to you,
you know, if we ever get a chance again, to
uh go see that Get the Lead Out again. Man,
that was just oorious.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, folks. I took my brother, probably about a month
ago now up to see the tribute band to led Zeppelin,
one of my favorite bands called Get the Leadout in Huntington,
Long Island at the Paramount Theater. And hats off to
the Paramount for putting on a great show. And of
course hats off to uh Get the Lead Out for
(06:00):
getting to let out with us. I've seen him before,
so as the band says, I'm a repeat offender, first
time for my brother. We had a great night. And
Bill I did put that picture up of you and
I in front of the Paramount at Bigfoot Tear into
Woods dot com under fun stuff, so if you go
(06:21):
looking fun stuff, you'll see a picture of us there.
And that was a great night. I'd love to see
him again with you.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, Rich Lloyd said he checked out the picture on
the website. Oh cool, and he commented on me rocking
my freaking glow in the dark blazer.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh yeah, sparkling blazer. It wasn't even sparkly in that picture.
When you Rich, when you saw him under the spotlights
in the inside the theater, it was like diamond studied.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Regular. I'm a regular Liberaci.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
With the Bigfoot playing the guitar on your T shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. Yeah, that was a good night, man, I told you. Bill.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I showed it to one of my friends from work
and they said, is that one of the guys in
the band? I said, no, that's my brother.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's my brother. What is pointy shoes? So what do
we have on Kryptis in the news and other oddities today?
Keb Yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Know, it's been so darn hot. I have been watching
more videos than normal, and I came across this twenty
twelve bigfoot or skunk ape siding in Florida at in
Terrea Park. And again it was twenty twelve filmed by
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a guy named Stacy Brown Junior, who was out with
his father, Stacy Brown Senior, who's now deceased. But what's
interesting A lot of things are interesting about this video footage,
But Stacy Brown Sr. Was a retired Army ranger, so,
you know, not a guy that could be easily shaken up.
(08:09):
So put that on the shelf for a couple of
minutes here and then this footage. Although I saw it
before this point in time, when it was featured on
a great TV show called The Proof Is out There,
which I like very much, I missed it, I guess
when it first went out live on The Proof Is
(08:30):
out There. But I came across it while I was
in the house trying to stay cool, and I watched
The Proof Is Out There analysis of this video and
they gave it, like, you know, big thumbs up that
you know it's likely very much legit. But let's talk
about it a little bit and folks, my brother rarely
(08:50):
knows what I'm going to talk about when we do
a podcast, but once in a while, if I'm going
to review a video, I tell him about it and
I send him a link so he can watch before
we talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So tonight's Kevin, let me chime in and add that
anybody who catches any episodes of The Proof is out
there knows that these guys have no problem ripping you
a new one. If they think that you staged it
or there's something phony baloney about it, they will just
(09:24):
tell you straight up yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
And by the way, I'll give you an example, folks,
of one of the best debunkings I've seen on Aaron
there's a lot of them, Like they bring in all
of the experts that analyze the video of the sound
you name it, And they did that one which I
featured on this podcast, where the guy was mushroom hunting
(09:48):
somewhere in the Pacific Northwest and he heard the roars
of the Bigfoot, and I thought, well, this is pretty serious.
And they analyze that a couple of years ago and
they found a direct match to the sound that this
guy said he heard to the sound of a dinosaur
(10:10):
from that old TV show from the seventies or eighties
called The Land of the Lost.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, so I mean, who's going to come up with that?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I know? And they found it and it was an
exact digital match. So that mushroom hunter might have been
eating a few exotic mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yea, psilocybin hunting in the exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well when he decided to try to trick us all.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, And so I give kudos to these guys because
they are very credible in my opinion. They're not in
the business of, you know, just buying everything for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
No, they're not going along with it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
No, So they're doing it due diligence. Go ahead, couch. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So let's talk about this a little bit. So you
know this father son team of Stacy Brown Junior Stacy
Brown Senior, they're out in this park, Terrea Park in Florida,
and it's late at night on a Tuesday night, and
they're going camping together and the sun. Stacy Brown Junior
is someone who's really into looking for Bigfoot and was
(11:17):
at this time as well. So they're going out to
roam around in the forest together and they are talking
about the fact that maybe hey, Dad, you know, maybe
we can catch a bigfoot and I'll get it on
film tonight, right. Right, But they're out there and they're
hanging out at the camp. Apparently they're listening to some
heavy metal on the radio or the player whatever it
(11:42):
was back in twenty twelve. And this park, which is
out in the Florida Panhandle apparently is very rugged. Right,
So they're there and they're listening to apparently the band
White Zombie, and they start and they're cook cooking some
ribs and listening to metal music and they hear what
(12:05):
sounds like a knock from the surrounding woods, and Stacy
Junior says, right away, hey, Dad, like, that's them, quote.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Unquote that's them.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeahlude, you know, insinuating that it's a bigfoot. And the dad, right,
the former arranger, is like, come on, you know, forget it.
Let's get back to the music and let's get these
ribs done. And they start to hear more and more
knocking on the trees, and then they hear some vocalization
from the beasts, some grunts and growls and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's like it was trying to get their attention for
a moment, you.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Know, maybe they were saying, like, hey, turn down to music.
Well you nobody likes white Zombie.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, how about some beatles?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
So but anyway, so the father then is like, all right,
wait a minute, like there's something going on here. And
he feels a little uneasy as well. The army ranger
feels uneasy. Right, that's a bad sign.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So they have a flair forward looking infrared camera with them, right,
because the sun is a bigfoot hunter. And they hear
it again. They hear some more growling, and the Father's like,
come on, let's go. Let's go into the woods and
see what we hear. And they hear noise on either
(13:30):
side of them, kind of like something running, you know,
in the leaves and branches snapping and stuff like that.
Very typical, very typical. And then they stop and Stacey
sr raises the thermal imager and you see this on film, right,
I showed you the film bill, So it's thermal image.
(13:52):
And you see this like light everything is like a
light color, and this early flare shows the heats signature
dark on a light background. And you see this like
sliver of a dark image next to a tree. And
apparently if you looked at it, very closely, you'd see
the image on either side of the tree.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, it's like a slice back and forth side.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It like it was hiding behind the tree, which we've
seen before. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, this thing,
clear as day, makes a leap across the space between
two large trees and you saw the image bill, right,
I mean no doubt about it. This is not a deer,
(14:35):
it's not a bear, etc.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, you could see it's extremely bulky. And doctor Meldrum
had commented on it that you know, first of all, keV,
who's going to be running around naked in the Florida
woods at night in the dark.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well, that was part of what they debunked, you know.
They said, like if it was somebody wearing a pair
of shorts or whatever, you'd see a different heat signature,
you know, where they were covered compared to the bare
skin right where it was all uniform. Now, you know,
somebody said, well, they could have been wearing a furry suit, right,
so it would be a uniform heat signature. But you
(15:16):
got to be a maniac to be running around out
in the forest on a Tuesday night with a furry
suit on in Florida.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
But really, the only people there are two guys kind
of camping out cooking ribs, like.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
In one of them an army rangers.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, you're putting on a performance for them. They can
pull a trigger.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
On you pretty well armed, I'm sure, I'm sure so.
But but furthermore, the other way it was debunked, you know,
to say it wasn't someone in a suit. When you
see the image, folks, it is. It doesn't look human,
it doesn't look like a bear. And they even point
(15:53):
out some of the experts on their say it's not
an epe either because the legs are too long.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, anybody who's seen like a silver
back walking around their hind legs. I mean they're not
running anywhere. There's no long legs outstretched, there's no big
legs wing.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
They have short legs. When you see them stand up
on their hind legs and walk along or on their
legs and walk along, they they're they're kind of short legs, well.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Very short. I mean they're like eighty percent body twenty
percent legs exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So this thing and this doesn't have the same image
or a leg length to torso and stuff like that
of a human either, right, and it looks a lot
like the you know, the image in the Patty film
where you know, Patty looks over the shoulder at Patterson
Gimlin when their filming.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Her tremendous arm swing. And also I don't know if
that had something in its hand or it had like
a clenched fist that looked like it had a glove on.
It was so big. Yeah, yeah, I mean a massive hand,
huge lanky arms, you know. And like Melgium commented, you know,
(17:13):
the body on that thing was substantial. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And they did analysis to where they think like when
it moved behind between the trees in one step, what
was like a six foot span.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Maybe I might even
elongate that a little, but I think six is fair. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
And then I mentioned in the beginning, like here's this cool, calm,
certainly calm under pressure, former army ranger. So when he
sees this thing move and jump across between the trees,
his son said, he reportedly flipped out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
His immediate panicked words to his son were, quote, get
your gun, get your gun close.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Quote yeah, yeah, that's that's you know, that's something that
makes the hair stand up on the back of your
neck and you just say defend.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, And then his son, his son says, quote, he's
a retired Army ranger and I ain't seen my dad
shook like that close. Quote.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Now, listen, folks, you know you always hear me say
my little tagline at the end of the show. Always
carrying more gun than you think you're gonna need. But really,
you better be careful what you wish for. I mean,
I know there's a lot of people out there marching
around trying to locate Bigfoot in the dark with flashlights
and a bowie knife. Personally, I just think they're out
(18:44):
of their minds. But man, one of these things comes
down on you. It's gonna come in a hurry. And
I mean your ass is grass and the Bigfoot is
the lawnmower, and that's what's gonna happen. Man. You know
I told you many times, Kevin, I do not want
to be in close. Quote is what it's like wanting
(19:05):
to dance around with a two hundred and fifty pound
cougar or something. You think you're on the losing end.
You don't want that to be the situation.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Then, yeah, yeah, and know and like what sums it
up here, Bill is the uh the response right that
Stacey senor the ranger. Then he says to his son
that he wants to abandon this and get back to
the truck right away, like leave everything.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, what's the sense of waiting?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Oh yeah, And his son says to unquote, dude, we're
out here hoping to see a bigfoot and you just
filmed them, and you're ready to leave. And his father says, quote,
here smart asked you have the camera and go back
down there your damn self. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
A little common sense for failing over Junior. Yeah, oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah. And then they said when they were heading back
to their truck, they felt that it was following them
all the way along up this big hill to get
out of the park, and.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It probably was. There's that sixth sense, that sense of knowing,
you know, feeling that ominous feeling like I'm being watched.
When you feel like you're being watched, you are being
watched by something. It could be a deer in the
dock on your property. It could be a cougar in
the woods, could be a bigfoot. It could be a
(20:34):
neighbor looking over the fence at you. But when you
feel like you are being watched, you need to honor
that and know that that is what is going on.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And this guy obviously had more common sense than his
son did, and his son was probably a guy that
would get in trouble if he was left to his
own devices after him, Yeah, had enough, Like, man, abandon
the camp. Let's get the heck out of here.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
A tent ain't worth it, a cooler ain't worth it.
Get out.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, And so then the show just to reach a
conclusion here, the show said that the official verdict that
they found at the end of analyzing this was that
it was an unknown creature and you know, but they
didn't say, you know, it was, you know, a hoax
or anything like that. And it's really mainly they couldn't
(21:31):
identify it as anything one because it could be a
big foot of swamp ape and they don't really know
what that is. And then you know, this was an
early generation thermal imaging camera and it was pretty short
but very clear piece of video.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah. No, it's one of the best, one of the
best pieces of footage I've ever seen. Yeah, it was
really good, and you know, you take what you could
get the whole thing lasted like a split second.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, a couple of seconds.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But really, I mean, what can you expect. Man, We're
very fortunate that he caught what he did when he did. Yeah,
and it wasn't shaky, No, it was a steady film.
You saw the whole thing, like you said, it kind
of edging out behind the tree before it decided to
take a leap. You know. Yep. Wow man, good stuff. keV, Yeah,
(22:26):
good stuff. And you know a lot of you folks
heed me talking about my friend Dave out in Oregon.
I'm not sure if I ever did Dave's account or accounts,
but I'm going to do him tonight. And if we
have done him before, they're worth hearing again. Dave started
(22:48):
with his account in the same area that his friend
Kelly had had an encounter in nineteen eighty six, which
is the salmon Berry Canyon area in Oregon. And I
should preface this that Dave has been and still is
an Oregonian lagger for probably close to forty years now,
(23:10):
in counting beginning his career in the Timber at eighteen
years of age. Now, his account is actually multifaceted. It's
covering a period of fifteen years. As you'll soon hear,
and this is what Dave had to share. My first
(23:32):
encounter with a bigfoot creature occurred in two thousand and two,
some twenty miles as the crow flew from Salmonberry Canyon.
At that time, the crew was working a unit an
area of woods that they were cutting about five miles
from the main road, accessed by an old logging road
(23:54):
that had been refurbished for the work. On our work sites,
we create what we call spurs or areas where one
truck can pull to the side while another passes, allowing
the free flow of men, materials, and lumber to move unimpeded.
Communication always via CB radio. Clearing a unit typically takes
(24:23):
about three to four months, and we had been working
this one hard. When we are driving in or coming out,
everyone on the road is giving mile markers over the
radio so that one or the other can decide where
to pull over best and wait for the other to pass.
Loaded trucks always had the right of way during this process.
(24:47):
This day, I was coming back in empty, having the
urge to take care of some morning business if you
follow me, and I had pulled into this old spur
that was somewhat overgrown, with a lot of tiny trees
and bushes having not been used or cleared in a
very long time. The day was miserable as far as
(25:10):
the weather was concerned. Rain, sleet, and snow with the
order of the day. As I got out of the
truck and walked down into this little drawer to hide
in the woods and take a squat I had just
squatted down when a tube of sunlight shone down from
a momentary break in the cloud cover, illuminating what I
(25:34):
thought was a big tree stump on the other side
of the drawer. My eyes were drawn to it, almost
almost like looking at a spotlight during a stage performance,
illuminating an actor. It was less than one hundred feet
away from me and noticeable. Well. The stump, or what
(25:55):
I thought was a stump, stood to his feet, walked
up the the other side of this drawer without making
a sound, and was out of sight. Thinking back, what
are the odds of me walking down into the spot
to relieve myself in the same place where it appeared
this creature was already present doing the same thing, or
(26:17):
perhaps it was just squatting down, But I think the
prior because I believe that it would have left seeing
me come in and not having waited. But they, like us,
when caught in the middle of something, just can't jump
up and run if you catch my drift. It had
moved away so quietly, taking advantage of the available cover
(26:39):
as it did, so that I could only catch glimpses
of its upper body or lower body. From that point forward.
For the next fifteen years, the only people I talked
to about were my friend Kelly, who you now know Bill,
and my father, never mentioning a word to any other
loggers or acquaintances. It was perfectly camouflaged in this environment,
(27:04):
reddish brown, about six to seven feet tall, I would say,
and not overly sized, more like a large NFL player
in paths now. Let's fast forward Bill to twenty seventeen,
when things ramped up. At that time, we were starting
a unit in the salmon Bury Canyon again, where Kelly,
(27:26):
as you know had his experience, had experienced his trailer
attack in nineteen eighty six, about fifty miles away from
where we were. Mind you, folks, the salmon Bury Canyon
area is a tremendous swath of land. We were using
the same twenty mile long access road that Kelly had
(27:49):
to get in and out. This area was part of
the infamous Tillamook burn, which took place in the nineteen thirties,
had also burned three more times, the last being in
the early fifties. Historically, the fire in the thirties was
the largest in United States history, only being surpassed by
(28:12):
the California Wildfliers fires in recent times. The area was
filled with what we call second growth, untouched since the
last fire. It was summertime when the loader operator started
to talk about hearing chatter in the area. He was
insistent that he heard a couple of people talking and
(28:35):
couldn't understand them, which happened repeatedly. He didn't see anybody,
and no one responded to his calling them. Shortly after that,
the shuttle operator had begun to hear the same thing,
now giving credence to what the loader operator had been saying.
So he took it upon himself to search out the
(28:57):
area in his truck as best as he could in
such forest to find those responsible parties, but coming up empty,
having located not a single soul for his efforts. It
was now January. I had left the landing with my
first load of logs. At four point thirty am, several
(29:18):
miles into the outbound a fellow in a pickup truck
radioed that he was coming in, and, knowing it would
be easier for me to stop near where I was,
I did so, pulling into a spot we called the
rock pit. The driver of the pickup was passing by
a rock wall with a steep drop off alongside it
(29:41):
going down to a river below. So picture this, folks.
This road is up against a rock face and the
other side of the road is a steep drop off
going down to the river, So just visualize that as
we enter into this After the pickup truck had passed,
I proceeded to continue outbound, passing the very same wall
(30:06):
and drop off I just described to your Bill when
I saw what, at first glance appeared to be a sizeable,
dark colored rock right in the tire track this other
guy had just made coming in. As I pulled closer
with my headlights on, it was not a rock, but
(30:26):
a massive pile of crap, so I stopped. Other trucks
were coming behind me, so I didn't have much time
to dilley dolly around, but I poked around in this
pile for whatever reason, it was a bucketful, much more
than a grizzly would put out, and we didn't have
(30:48):
any grizzlies around here. Now. Poking through this pile momentarily,
I found a giant pack rat fully intact, having not
even been chewed on at all, obviously having gone through
some being to be where it was. Less than a
(31:10):
few minutes had passed since the pickup had driven through
here and my being there. The pile would have been
run over had it been made before his passing. It
was in the truck's tire track. Whatever had done this
had done so between his passing and my arrival at
(31:31):
that location and left now. This spot was so rugged
that I believe a mountain goat would have had difficulty
getting in and out of there in a hurry. Yet
here was this pile of dung. As I said, it
was a bucketful. A week later, I was taking my
(31:53):
first load out at about four point thirty am. Again
I had my headlights on, meandering through the forest on
this tight dirt road. The road was at best two
feet wider than the truck, with dense forest hard up
against it. As you drove periodically, the forest was thinner
(32:15):
in spots, allowing you albeit a flash in time to
see maybe sixty or seventy five feet deep into the woods.
Mind you, I'm loaded to the gills with heavy trees,
navigating mile upon mile of dirt road at night in
the Urgonian woods. As I round this right handle with
(32:38):
the truck, before I hooked into this right hand turn,
my head lights scoured into the trees on high beams
for maybe five seconds. And there it was, leaning against
a tree, its head tilting towards the trunk, and standing
(32:58):
perfectly still, was what looked like a massive silver back gorilla.
It was unmistakable, standing in the snow alongside a darkly
colored tree trunk covered in salt and pepper fur from
top to bottom. I had never seen anything like it.
(33:21):
Broad shouldered and big. Now there was no way I
was stopping alone in the forest. And a week later
the unit was completed. It was now early spring when
another crew had gone into the area working to clear
a different unit nearby where we had spent the past
(33:41):
four months. They were in there well into the summer
working and it was months after they had finished that
I ran into one of them in town, starting a
conversation as we loggers are prone to do. I asked
them if anyone had seen anything while they were up there,
not letting on in the least as to what anything
(34:04):
might be. He told me immediately that the entire crew
had seen a silver, gray bigfoot walking along their cut,
quickly covering the ground. The loader operator had seen it
first from up on the deck along with the other men.
(34:27):
He radioed down to the guys in the brush, alerting
them of the presence of this monster. With the entire
crew now watching it, it had to be the same
monster I had set eyes on before they came in.
According to him, it walked along the edge of the
cut for several minutes in full sight of the crew,
(34:50):
ducking into the trees and disappearing from view. After the fact,
crew members had made their way over to where it
had been seen, coming across numerous footprints. As I said,
I'm never comfortable in the woods anymore, knowing what's there,
having seen it with my own two eyes. As much
(35:11):
as the run of cougars we have going on here
in the state is a royal pain in the butt.
I can't even fathom running into one of these guys
under any circumstances. What I saw and now know to
be true could squeeze you around the waist and pop
your head off like uncorking a bottle. Now. Dave also
(35:35):
commented that an old railway line runs through the Salmonbury Canyon,
having many tunnels. According to Dave, that would make an
excellent shelter for such creatures, and I have to agree
with him. As a side note, referencing Dave saying it
could pop your head off like a cork, a good
(35:57):
friend of mine by the name of Philip, a former coroner,
said he once examined a man's body that an Abrams
tank had run over. According to Philip, the man's head
had popped off his body, leading me to believe that
perhaps Dave is not far from the truth with his
(36:21):
surmisal of Bigfoot's power. What do you think of that, kid? Wow?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
That is of course from the hotbed of Bigfoot sidings
in Oregon. And you know somebody who's out there all
the time in the woods. You know, a lumber truck driver, lumberman,
you know. So we always say, how are you going
to see one? Well, you've got to be out there
a lot to see one.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, And these guys are living out there. Yeah, and nighttime, daytime,
Dave goes to work at two am in the woods,
you know, and he's already. You know, the landing areas
all lit up spotlights, machinery with big floodlights on it.
You know, there's machines cutting, trimming up logs, getting ready
(37:14):
to load up the trucks to clear the landing. As
the day begins and the guys start to come in
with light where they're working.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
The landing is where they're hauling the trees back to
with the traveler or whatever they call it after they
cut them down.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, the landing is a deck area, right, and typically
it's running down a hillside cabling going overhead. It's really
Dave has sent me numerous videos of the operations the
machinery so I could see and understand how things work.
(37:51):
It's a tremendous operation and you know they're out there
and that's not the last time the stuff. So that
was just Dave's initial encounters. Mind you, folks, Dave and
I have become very good friends, like Rich Lloyd, my
friend Philip, many others, and all of these guys had
(38:15):
originally contacted me through the podcast. Just to chat it
up about what they had seen. And the longer I've
known these guys, the more credible everything they have said
to me rings true. So I have no reason to
doubt any of these fellows. Awesome, they stand up members
(38:38):
of their communities.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I could go on and on and on about what
great men they are, their wives, and I have zero
doubt about the integrity of these people, and I would have.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
No question as to whether or not what they were
telling me was the truth. Awesome, It is awesome, isn't he? Yeah,
So there you have it. That was my buddy Dave cool.
And as you can see, he had a couple of
different How about that bucket of turd in the middle
(39:15):
of a tire track in basically an area like where
did this bigfoot go? He had a rock wall on
one side and a drop off going down to a
river on the other and he appears in the middle
of the road, cops a squat And then where did
he go over the side down to the river or
(39:37):
climb the rocky wall? You know, it's just a bizarre thing.
You know, nobody knows. Yeah, yeah, crazy man, huh?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Or hidden in plain sight?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah? Well he could have been. You know he could
have just been hanging off the side of the edge. Well,
Dave was there looking and he didn't even know who
was there, you know what I mean. Yeah, but that's it, keV.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
What do we have.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, we got some good listener mail and folks, thank
you so much for writing in. Yah, we'll cover a
couple of emails today, but we got a ton of them,
which is great. Evan from Idaho another hotbed, he writes in,
and the subject is creepy creatures of the Philippines, and
he says, Hey, brother, Shean, I have a good Filipino
(40:27):
friend that was telling me about some of the cryptids
and creatures of his homeland. I'm sure you've covered the
Filipino version of Bigfoot before, called Amal Bungo. If not,
it's worth checking out. Well, Evan, I don't think we've
covered that one.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No, and I have never heard of him.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I've never heard of it, so so thank you. And
then he says, I also wanted to bring to your
attention another figure from their folklore called Mana non gall
Mana Nongall. He says, I'll let you look it up yourself,
but let's just say it's as creepy as they come
and would make a great Halloween character. So Evan, I'll
(41:13):
check them both out, and Evan says, keep up the
great work, Evan from Idaho. Two good tips there.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, that's Awesomeuse We're gonna have to look into that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
And then our second email comes in from Bradley, and
Bradley's written in before and he says, you all referenced
Expedition Bigfoot season one, more so referencing, excuse me, the
team member who got sick and had to leave the show.
I think they called him RPG and the cause or
(41:51):
supposed cause of his illness was infrasound.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, yes, sound has.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Been linked to Bigfoot. I know it had been brought
up in later episodes on the show. Yeah, and that's uh,
you know, I don't remember that, Bill, but I think
you were talking about that.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, And you know, some studies have been done that, like,
for instance, Tiger's growling. They claim that the tigers low
end goes into this infrasound when they you know, you know,
way down deep beyond our hearing and apparently, I mean
(42:32):
it's it's it suggested that this can have some type
of intimidating or immobilizing effect on the hearers. So the listener, the.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Pitch of the sound can actually hurt you.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, or it stuns you. It does something. And RPG
in that episode became like very sick, and Maria, Maria
Mayor as a woman, the motherly instinct I call it,
was like troubled about him, and she kept going to him,
(43:09):
are you okay, RPG, are you okay? And then finally
he said no, I'm not okay, and they wound up
taking it out, taking him out of there, and he
never came back to exhibition expedition Bigfoot Wow. So they
interviewed him on some time later and he just talked,
(43:31):
you know, I'm doing okay and whatnot. And I guess
I surmise he just said, I've had enough, you know,
the way the way that hit me. I don't need
to go there.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Sure. Sure, and you're in a really rural place and
you get gravely ill, that's enough.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah. Yes, So I'm sure they got hookups people that
could take him out a helicopter if they had to. No,
but still it's scary, yeah, very scary, amazing up awesome.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
So that's what we got, Bill, Thanks for writing in
and thanks especially for listening and giving us those five
star reviews. The reviews are virtually the only way we
have of attracting new listeners. So give us a five
star review as soon as you can.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes. And also if you buy a book, do the same. Okay,
give us all five stars. It goes a long way.
Don't look. Leave it up at somebody else to do
what you could do for us. You know, we appreciate
everybody out there. We love you guys. We love doing
this podcast, and we hope you enjoy what we do.
(44:34):
And remember, if you should find yourself in the salmonberry
or walking through the woods of Maine or anywhere else,
you best remember one thing. My friends always carry more
gun than you think you're going to need.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Sleep tight.
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the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys with
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I mean, he's like he took a leave of absence
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(45:42):
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I know, I mean well, I mean, I guess you
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or maybe maybe you're listening maybe you're listening to it,
like at a different time than we are. But I mean, well,
I mean, if you accidentally just down loaded this, no,
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