August 19, 2025 • 46 mins
What if government black projects were not just about weapons, but about time travel, mind control, and contacting entities from other dimensions? We examine the claims and the plausibility that they happened or were just an imagination of fiction.
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Speaker 4 (03:01):
How's it going, Darren.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Jim. I'm doing really good. Thanks, it's good to be back.
And how long has we were off for? I was
off for quite a while.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You're off for a few months.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Yeah. I had a big vacation.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, Unfortunately I didn't get I was double duty and
trying to get this going, and I didn't have I
didn't have access to any of my mics. They were
all stored, and I didn't have my setup because I
didn't have my computer or a place to put it
because I was building, So I had to record off
my iPhone. That's what the sessions were recorded the past month.
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But nobody seemed to care that much. But we're back.
I got my my Microsoft phone. I found my equipment
in storage Microsoft.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, my microphone I I lost. Uh, I lost
my some of my equipment. I found that. So, uh,
what do you what do you know about the Montac project?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Well, oh, it's something that has been probably going on
longer than the project itself, I'm sure you know. I'll
bet there was secret Covit operations that were in effect
prior to that, and they just made that known, you know,
pretending that they didn't want it to be publicized, and
it's being implemented on us now and probably alternate ways.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, you know, there's so much controversy. Some people said
it's been fantasy, it's it's been speculated, and there's no
real whistleblowers that came out. I mean there are some
there's some people that claimed they were part of the
project and stuff after hypnosis or after after some kind
of delusions or something. But we tend to wonder if
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if they can be proven, because nothing's been proven. It's
all been speculated. There's movies on it, there's there's articles
on it, there's a lot of wild conspiracy theories on it,
but I don't think there's any factual, presented evidence of
(05:11):
the actual things that are going on.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Well, if you're saying that it's not scientifically possible, that's
not a valid statement because we look at like, for instance,
ELF towers extremely low frequency, we have GWEN towers, ground
wave emergency network towers, you know, transmitting frequencies that can
has been proven scientifically to alter a person's mental cognitance
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and their thought patterns everything. So it's not that it's
not scientifically possible. The question is did it occur? Is
that what you're saying right?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, no, you got to point there because a lot
of the things that are claimed have been speculated as
happening because we have had evidence of other things scientifically.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Like you said, I agree with you there.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
What if the black projects that are associated with Montalk
weren't just about that stuff or weapons, but about the
other things that you can't really prove. They say it
was about time travel, contacting entities from other dimensions and
different things like that. I don't know if that gets
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more into the speculative aspects, but just a brief definition
of the Montalk project. Allegedly, it's a program that's conducted
at Camp Hero in Montalk, Long Island. How far away
is Montalk from us?
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, it's actually towards the tip of Long Island. It
would be a drive from Albany. It's probably close to
one and eighty miles. I'd say it's because Long Island
is I forgure how long that is from tip to tip,
but probably close. Like I think it's like seventy miles,
don't quote me. But and then from all Any to
the base of you know, like Manhattan would be another
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I think it's one sixty when sixty, so we're looking
at you know, it's a good drive. But so it's
not that far. And then with the way they crow
fry fries flies fried crow, it would be you know,
like it would only be you know, maybe one hundred
miles one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, So so it's really only a few hours from us.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And people don't realize how close it is. We're folks,
we're in the We're in the gut of this uh trash.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
We got Cuomo on one side. We have what's that
next to him on the other side of us. Yeah,
we have we have prey for us people.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
We have the Marina a Brahmavaveca Witch, Hollywood witch that
Jay z and and Lady got Goat go to right.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Down twenty miles from from us.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And yep.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I'm sure there's other secret things they know about,
you know, but this is conduct things that were conducted
at this camp hero they say in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
But I think it's been going wasn't it going on
longer than that?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Actually? I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I get.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I get like the most of the experience was experiments
for seventies and eighties, but it's linked to mind control,
time travel, interdimensional experiments. But the official narrative is it's
an abandoned radar station and the rest of his conspiracy fiction,
the fringe narrative is that it's underground labs, kidnapping, kidnap children,
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and dangerous technology. They had, they had stories or legends
of like creatures coming out of it. And I can
picture what's that island of Doctor Moreau, remember that.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Yes, seventies. I remember my sister and wifetad. I'm like,
this is creepy, But it's reality.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Isn't that kind of what it was based on? Like
the hybrid the mutated creatures and stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Well, you know, the Bible says in Genesis be prior
to the flood, the Bible says that all flesh was corrupt.
That includes like animals in a general sense, not just humans.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And they're all at Montak, right.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I'll tell you it was very weird. That's just like
a hybridization. I actually seen it on YouTube. Was a
part human, part frog. It was just born there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Was it real?
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It was real? Oh yeah, it was real. They're slapping
it to keep it going. But I guess it survived.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I seen the one that was like a fish or
pig and something else or.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Somebody said, that's like a carved like a like a
clay was laying on the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
So that was fake.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
That one was fake, But this mine was fake.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And yours is real. Yep, gather, so you de bunk mine,
but you validate yours.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I don't think the government's not like, uh, formulating these
crazy hybridized you know, cross genetic uh you tated genes
of different humans and animals. You know, what's God? What
does he do with that when they stand? You know,
when that thing dies, it's is it gonna have a soul?
Like the nephilim?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know? Now now they say covering these experiments underground
tunnels still exist, but over it is now a tourist attraction.
It's a park, like so they they they opened it up.
It's now like a park with a facility on it.
But they say it still has access to underground labs
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and stuff. But we don't we don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Do we. I know the government has a lot of
stuff going underground.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, but why would they put a park right over it?
So yeah, I don't know. Disney World is another the
biggest mind programming UH station. You know, if I hear
that song one more time, I'm gonna croakg going there.
(10:57):
I haven't been there, but imagine going there and hearing
that over and old again. It's a small World or
whatever they play. I know people that go there every year.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
They love it. They destined to go there. I have
no desire. I have no interest.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Yep. And to do with children, I just I would
I regret having a Mickey Mouse watch when I was little.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I would probably deny a ticket. I don't want to go.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So now the origins in the background of the Montak
associated it. It's got a connection to the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Remember that I was I was just going to say that, wow,
because it's close to you know where it took place.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But that was in nineteen forty three. But there was
a Navy ship that supposedly transcended visibility. It became invisible
time displacement experiment, where survivors later tied to the Montac project.
They said, and it's the USS Eldridge invisibility experience, supposedly
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a failed attempt at radar cloaking resulting in teleportation time displacement.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
How do you prove that?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Well, I'll tell you. The credible outiness account showed that
the guys were actually infused within the deck. When they
returned back to the location, they weren't standing on the deck.
They were like amalgamated with the metal on an atomic
level their cells and their bodies, so they're like stuck
there screaming. Did they prove that well, credible accounts were
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describing it, and they were just I'm gonna have photographs,
but I know it's speculative, but it's you know.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, See, That's what I mean is there's not like
whenever you have these things, it's either really squashed so
you can never see it, or it's highly speculative, where
the whistleblowers are sort of questionable. You can't prove that
they're right or not. So I could tell you a
fiction story. We've proved this before. I could tell you
a fiction story and say it happened to me, and
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there's no way for you to prove it, and there's
no way for me to prove it happened, so you'd
have to take my word for it.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I just don't trust anybody.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
There was survivors like al Bailick, who claimed that they
were that he was a later recruited into the Montak
project in the nineteen seventies and he kind of testifies
to some of these things. But of course, you know,
they say that, oh he's not he's not credible. But
I don't know. You know, Now, the Camp Hero Air
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Force Station was closed in nineteen sixty nine, but the
thing that they're saying is that it allegedly continued underground.
It's above ground. They decommissioned the Cold War radar tower.
That's what they said. This thing was involving an underground,
multi level underground bases with labs, dormitories, and chambers for experiments.
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Now I'm gonna say this, I don't doubt that there
are underground bases, because we have them here in Albany.
We there is in Washington, d C. People have claimed
to see it, like Kathy O'Brien claims there are underground
passages where they're transporting people that they said they were
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trafficking people through the tunnels, and so I don't doubt
that it's possible. Now when I say that, I can't
prove it is legit because I don't know, but it's
it's it's weird that people did they heard like tremors
underground in the area, like they were tunneling something like
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like tunneling machines.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, so these things lead.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
To our speculation, but they don't really lead to our evidence.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Right. Well, I'll tell you I heard Walmart has in
some stores actually have undergroun tunnels and bases in it.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I've heard that too.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And that six star logo that they have for Walmart,
that's actually the order bore that drills through rock.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
So why would they have that as their display?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Well, hey, they just stay this part of these cult secret.
Uh you know things they do is just they put
things out and open for us to see, but we
don't know what exactly what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
But why would they choose the boar.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I'd rather see them choose prison cells because they're going
to encamp people and closed down Walmart's That's what we
were told on that too. Why don't they use prison
bars as their logo? You know they're gonna go that far,
But I don't know. I I rather think that the uh,
the image is a hexagram, and it's a secret hexagram.
That's what I picture it as because it's got the
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six sides. But anyway you know that again, we don't know.
But but to your point, Walmart has contracts, government contracts
and affiliations, and uh they do, say I you know,
I hear rumors that there are they are other facilities
that they utilize it for, so kind of the same
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type of things. I mean they're doing. I don't know
what are they doing in the tunnels underneath Walmart? Are
they are they secretly making toys? I don't know what
are they doing.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
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Speaker 2 (16:57):
But there's a funding mystery with with Montak too. There's
rumors that it's funded by the Nazi gold recovered after
World War Two, that it's crossover with MK Ultra funding.
I don't doubt that because it's tied with the Operation
paper Clip scientists and they run the black budgets are
run like CIA. We mentioned this once before. Did we
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mention this or did I do this myself? I talked
about the CIA funding recently. I think I did one
of these on my own. So what I found out, Darren,
is that the CIA are not funded by the government.
There are the agency is the staff maybe, but the
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projects aren't. They're funded by alternative funding programs and black funding,
black market funding. So in other words, they use their
affiliations of porn and trafficking and things like that to
build funds the CIA experiments. Why do you think they
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do that?
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Well, I just gotta say, I'm glad we're not funding
it tax payer.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Okay, that's a good point. But why do you think
they're doing it that way?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Good question.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I'll tell you why, because if it is government funding,
it would have ties into accountability, and they would be
up for audit or for question and they could be
shut down by the government and they'd have to be
transparent about what they're doing. But if they're funded outside
the government by black funds, by alternative mystery funds, they
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don't have to account to anything. They can do their experiments,
nobody can shut them down because they control their own projects. See,
I mean it's outside the confines of accountability of government.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's why they do this. So this is said to
be of the same kind of funding funding it's uh.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Now there's other similar bases that exist allegedly like Dulce
Dulce Base in New Mexico, the right Patterson a f
B in Ohio. But why was Montac chosen? Possibly because
it's a remote area. Maybe uh, it's got expansion abilities.
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Maybe access to the sea ways I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Could also be perhaps lay lines underneath could be would
be something.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But some of these experiments that are alleged, uh, they're
they're in the fringe networks and but they there there's
a m there's a speculation of mind control, psychic amplification.
So these are like MK ultra style c I A
interests of of breaking minds and programming minds, and then
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they had the Vontac chair.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
You ever hear that.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
H Montag chair? No, I never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's the combination of electronics and psychic subjects where the
device allegedly hands enhances the abilities of the person that
sits in the chair and it gives them ultimate psychic projections. So,
in other words, astral projection like it enhances your ability
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to astro project. I told this on another episode, might
have been even last week.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I told you about the astral travel experiments I did,
and this would this would blow me out of the water.
I mean, if I could do it, then imagine if
I had this chair what I could do.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Because I was able to do it before.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, I don't think the result of what I was
doing was ultimately scientific or even metaphysical. I think it
was more spiritual. So the ability to project my mind
someplace else may have transcend science. And it may not
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be my mind in my state of mind, or my
ability or the physical.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Ability to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It may have been my willingness to invite or invoke
a spirit and have the spirit using me to input
information in my head to make me think I'm remote viewing,
but it was feeding me information. How do we know
we don't cross over on that? So how do we
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know that this Montac chair that enhances people's psychic ability
isn't an ultimate spiritual demonic enhancer to summon demons to
give them ultimate permission to really feed the subject.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Yep, we don't know. That very possible absolutely.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So do you wanna do you wanna take bets on that?
You want to? You want to take your chance on that?
I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So they're also doing projects of thought forms into physical
reality reality. I think this is Uh, there's there's Nicola
uh Teslas's principles of magnifying psychic abilities and uh, but
pushing also thought forms into reality? So what's that mean?
Thinking something to exist? I don't think we can do
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that yet. And if we can, you gotta let me know,
because then people would be conjuring stuff all the time.
Matter of fact, I need to conjure a couple hundred dollars.
I gotta I gotta pay something off. Uh, you know,
conjure my my my studio. I could have conjured one
instead of built one. Wouldn't that have been convenient to
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have just fought my udo and existence, and here it is.
It sort of happened that way, Darren, but I had
to labor to do it. I did think it, but
I had to labor to get it done. I don't
think my studio would have been built by me just
going away and dreaming that my studio is built, and
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then popping downstairs and finding that I have a full studio.
I don't think it's going to work that way. But
the subjects were gifted in psychic ability. They said they
hosted children with unusual abilities, military recruits trained through trauma
based mind control, and the goal is remote viewing, remote influencing,
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or mass mind manipulation practicing. So that's what these experiments
may have done. But what about the time travel and
dimensional portals that they talked about associated with this thing.
It's claimed to allow travel to specific years or even
alternate timelines, both past and future. So it's like a
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time machine. So if we have a time machine and
this is it, what what are we doing wasting our time?
Let's just go and get take care of it. The
fact that people say they have seen this thing or
been there or whatever, and the fact that they can't
produce evidence and the fact that no one really benefits
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from it, like we don't see it, we don't know
about it, and it remains sort of a story.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Or a legend.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
We can't come out and say we absolutely know this
as exists. We can only say what's spin a ledge right,
it's right. So I mean, is it possible to time travel?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
People will claim it is, and I know we have
theories on Mandela effects and stuff like that. By the way,
that was just dubbed by a new ager who who
had who had a experience about Mandela and dubbed this term,
and then people psychological. He went out and tried to
find other evidences that timeline's been switched and quantum parallel
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universes have been crossed. It was all based on this
one new ager who claims that Mandela didn't Mandela died
in prison when many of us remember him coming out
of prison, and it caused the controversy of people starting
to question what they remembered. That's how this whole thing
came about. But proven timelines, I don't know if you
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could prove quantum fix I don't think you could prove
quantum parallel timelines. They haven't proved it yet, they only
have speculated the theory of it and said it's scientific.
But it's no more scientific than me saying I'm going
to produce a pick elephant in my room. I just
don't want to show you what it is. I mean,
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you know, I don't know. I questioned these things. But
they claim they've been to ancient Egypt with this thing,
that they've been to Mars Darren. They've been to Mars
Colony and this is tied to Project Pegasus. They claim
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that they recovered Tesla's experiments from nineteen forty three, and
of course it's always connected to CERN and Stargate Stargate.
We mentioned Project Stargate. It's different than the Trump Stargate
of the Golden Age that he questioned that he mentioned
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Stargate was the psychic program of the CIA. So I
think we have mentioned this time tunnel and this people
that witnessed a sketch. They have a sketch of this
machine that's allegedly was a time machine, and I think
that was a Montac.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Didn't we talk about that once before?
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Yes, we did. Well, keep in mind they have predictive
programming and back to the future with that movie.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, so if you want to get into that, then yeah,
there is a lot lot of hints in culture, in
fiction to these possible programs, hinting or predictive programming, the
possibility of their true existence. And that's also all we
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have is really just speculative film. I haven't seen it,
but did you see the Do you ever see the
show Stranger Things? No, I'm told that's a mimic of
the Montac experiments. They have hints to it in it
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in the show. And you mentioned back to the Future, Yep,
we got that. And uh, I mean there's a lot
of things that are that are so there's there's that
Teleporter show or movie whatever where they travel at different
parts and and you know, materialize in other places Star
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Trek materializing and dematerializing.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So a lot of these things have been in predictive programming.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Sure makes you wonder, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, so, but again, you know, you can make up anything.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
When you want to talk about something that is possible,
you can't say necessarily that it's absolute or happening. You
can only say it's speculating as possible. Because we can
come up with the fictions of everything that could happen.
You and I could sit here and talk about tons
of things that we suspect may be possible and may
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be happening, and make accusations that this must be happening,
but it doesn't necessarily mean it is happening. There's talk
about Montak being associated with ET technology Exchange program.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I guess exchange. That's the ultimate exchange program.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You know, you remember when you were a kid and you
had you were in school and you were part of
a band or something, the school band, and you had
these exchange programs where you you visited somebody in Canada
uh and joined their community for a little while, and
then they came here and joined your community for a
little while. And this is ET technology exchange program. Imagine
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that I'm going to exchange places with somebody from uh
name one of those planets that they.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Talk about that are out there, Pladium or something or whatever. Plates.
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Exchange student with an alien from plates.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's the ultimate exchange.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Well the plates are the stars star.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Clus what's the one that they talk about with the
planet the mystery planets and stuff that they say life is,
aliens come from or whatever. I don't Yeah, and that's
something like that. But it's I thought it was like whatever,
But uh yeah, so imagine that, and you know, the
the alien from play or whatever, we'll come here and
say you brought.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Me here to this trash heap. I don't think they
want to do that, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So we talked about the time travel, we talked about
the chair contact with non human entities. These are opening
portals that they talk about associate with cern and stuff.
So these are portals of interdimensional gateways. And we know
what happens when you report there's a report of alien grays,
(30:33):
reptilian beings and something that's called the beast that psychically
got manifested.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Here gone wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Now you and I have a different aspect of what
we mean when we say interdimensional portals, right, we probably
are talking more about demonic spirits being brought here, summoned here,
or us used as a conduit to give invite them here,
(31:02):
breaking into the inner dimensional realms of where the spiritual
is to help them manifest. That's I think that's more spiritual.
It's it's part of it's almost a cultic. It's like witchcraft.
It's more along the lines of that. Satanism is more
(31:24):
than it is scientifically experimental.
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Speaker 2 (32:13):
Now, that's right, But then we have the dangerous stuff,
the stuff that's rumored to be human experimentation, like missing children.
There's been possible abductions from fosterste systems. Street kids are
even recruited in And we lost our channel, our YouTube
(32:34):
channel because we explored some of these foster systems, and
I was called cyberbullying. I was cyberbullying the pedophile rings,
and we got caught because we were talking about the
abductions from foster systems. It's part of the same things
where they were taking children and they were trafficking on them,
(32:55):
but they were running through the legal system of the
foster system uster care, and what they were doing was
scramb changing them from foster home to foster home and
trafficking them back and forth till they lost paperwork and
lost track of the children. And that's what they were
allegedly doing in that they were using them for trafficking
(33:18):
and sex and satanic rituals. Possibly they were the ones
used for these experiments, you know, through the Franklin files
and the Finder's cult. I'm not going on YouTube with
this one. That would definitely floor me. I got taken
off the first time for it.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Like child Protective Services.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah yeah, okay, so yeah, they were using all these
front agencies they're supposed to protect children and using them
to scramble the children into other homes that would mix
up the paperwork and lose them. And from this they
had psychological trauma programs and mind bending and alleged racer
(34:04):
eraser of memories and these are again associated with MK Ultra.
Some of them were returned without memories subjects they came back,
they didn't, they forgot who they were. But some of them,
it's rumored that got sent permanently through the portals. So
I don't know. I guess they're gone. I'm not laughing,
(34:27):
just you know, I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of possibly
being fiction. But we hope it's not true, because I mean,
I don't know that they're sending them through these portals.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I don't know if we could prove that. But there
was a.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Whistle There were a couple whistleblowers, but like I said,
nothing substantial that they can prove evidential that they have
hard evidence. It's only speculative evidence. So we have al
Belek that I mentioned. He claims that he was both
in the Philadelphia Experiment and Montac Project. He claims to
have time traveled to alternate life memories and describe traveling
(35:05):
to twenty one thirty seven and twenty seven forty nine ad.
You know, we're in twenty twenty five. That's one hundred
and thirty seven and oh my gosh, seven hundred years
from now.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I find that hard to believe you.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I what would he have found seven hundred years from now?
I think he would find of destroyed earth.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I don't know that he would find anything intellectual. But
he said he was mind wiped and given a different identity. Yeah,
of course he was. And then there's an electronic engineer
named Preston Nichols claimed to work directly at Montac. He
did write a book he co authored, the Montalk Project,
(35:49):
Experiments in Time and described in detailed technology of the
Montak chair. That might have been what we were kind
of showing at one time we were telling about that.
And then there's Stuart Swoodlow. He claims to be a
Montak survivor, talks about my programming and hyperspace and the
(36:10):
alien agenda. Of course that this could be okay, so
there could be smear campaigns that are happening to bury
the truths. However, it's very possible that they had people
working under these things that they put under experimentation. Could
(36:36):
they have put thoughts in their head and making them
kind of elaborate more so so it makes them seem crazy,
so that if they did whistle blow, they would have
these Outlandis claims that would go far and beyond what
is possible to make them look like kooks.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Probably, Yeah, I don't doubt that a.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Lot of Yeah, I don't doubt that a lot of
these people that are associated would be programmed and that
they were give like you have people saying I sat
with an alien? Really did you? I think I did?
What if they were programmed to think that the scientists
working on their brain was an alien so that they
could never reveal the scientists. They just go into these fantasy,
(37:22):
alternative narratives and then nobody will believe them. I was
abducted and brought to Mars. Well maybe you were brought
to a different level of the Montacua chambers, you know
what I mean. But you were told that if you
come out of it and you remember this, you're going
to remember it as aliens taking you to Venus.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's easy to do.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I mean, I'm just saying, of course, that's not proven either.
I'm just saying that's what a possible explanation of what
they could be doing, So we wonder if it could
be real. There are military motives such as instant troop
deployment through time and space. Imagine that you just call
up a troop anytime and just call them up from
(38:10):
the past or present, seeing enemies plans before they happen.
You know, if you can ask to travel as to
travel to Germany or Russia and see what they're planning.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I mean, come on, that's what they'd say.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They were doing. You can alter historical events. I don't
doubt they do that, but not through time travel. I
think they're doing it by time manipulation of paperwork. I
think they're just squashing our history and making new books
that are you know, to replace them. And then there's
(38:45):
occult motives. Elites haven't been tied to rituals and esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
There's manipulation in high level occultism. And then there's the
dangers of the ethical issues like time line manipulation. If
we could do this, what are we really doing? I
mean we we are watchers of movies and fantasy. Marvel
movies have has the the parallel universes all mixed throughout,
(39:15):
and Doctor Strange is part of that. And even Iron
Man got wrapped up into it. And Doctor Strange warned
not to go back into the future or in the
past and alter it because you can devastate the whole
ripple of the timeline.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And if you could do that, it's dangerous. That's all
we can say.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Right, yeah, really it's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Now it could be cover up.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It could be basically covering up for public backlash and
maintaining a power monopoly of ties into other things that
this distracts us, distracts us too, so that we don't
see what's really going on, that they're really putting larger
control systems for the deep state or new world order.
You know, if they could put up all these fronts,
(40:00):
they could get our they could redirect us towards these
things that really don't matter or that we'll never find out,
and we sit there and have shows like this and
basically ignore the real things they're doing.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I'm wondering if these are disinformation distractions to cover
other classified programs, if they're implanting false memories on purpose
making whistleblowers believe events happen to cover up true ops,
or that they're even putting these narratives like Mandela effects
to make people question whether they really believe anything. And
(40:39):
because if we believe everything could be altered, then we
don't have to believe in anything, because everything could be
a lie, everything could be altered, and everything could be manipulated. Therefore,
we don't have you know, we don't have anything reliable
as a foundation. And we say, well we do. We
have Jesus Christ. We have got Yeah, if you can
alter the past and and alter things that are happening
(41:01):
in timelines, then you can alter my salvation and I
won't know Jesus Christ. Possibly Now I have to fear
that my salvation is under interrogation from these manipulators of
time travel.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to
do that.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I don't believe they can manipulate my faith. So, you know,
do some of these things happen secretive government programs I believe, yes,
underground basis really possible, human experimental experimentations, absolutely, black site
(41:38):
mind control programs, yep, I believe.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
So we have proof of that, MK Ultra.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You know, all these projects operation whatever, we have, all
these we do know that they do this. Now do
we stretch it to time travel or quantum universe, quantum
parallel universe?
Speaker 4 (42:00):
And I don't, I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I I don't have to go there to know that
these experiments are enough for me to say I don't
like it, you know, so whether true or not, Montak
fits the pattern of secretive sites, government denials, technology and
occult crossovers. And uh, I encourage you if you want
(42:25):
to look into it and you think there's something to it,
dig in, you know, read some Montak books and just
keep in mind where the sources are, keep in mind
where the roots are, and keep in mind if there's
any actual evidence surfacing that can be produced. So I
leave it at that. So we'll end there, Darren, My
website is huh. I hope so, I hope we didn't
(42:50):
bore anybody, but I hope we also, I hope we
didn't tease them.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I hope we didn't entice them.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
And you know, give them a teaser and they say, oh,
you guys, you guys are teasing us. Now, well, no,
we're just presenting discussion things. And I told you that boring.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
They must have an exciting life if this.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Is, well, it's boring.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
If they don't think about it, and they won't don't
want to think about it, and they think it's not true,
then it might be just oh it's boring to me,
it's it's they may as well talk about a Disney movie,
you know, because it's all fantasy to them. So it
might be boring to some people, but something interesting to
think about. And you know, whether you think it's real
or not. I just I'm presenting these things more so,
(43:34):
and so I can give my speculation and my conclusions.
And my conclusion is that I don't believe some of it,
and some of it I would say it's potentially possible.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
So they're all right.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
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Speaker 4 (03:01):
How's it going, Darren.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Jim. I'm doing really good. Thanks, it's good to be back.
And how long has we were off for? I was
off for quite a while.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You're off for a few months.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Yeah. I had a big vacation.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, Unfortunately I didn't get I was double duty and
trying to get this going, and I didn't have I
didn't have access to any of my mics. They were
all stored, and I didn't have my setup because I
didn't have my computer or a place to put it
because I was building, So I had to record off
my iPhone. That's what the sessions were recorded the past month.
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But nobody seemed to care that much. But we're back.
I got my my Microsoft phone. I found my equipment
in storage Microsoft.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, my microphone I I lost. Uh, I lost
my some of my equipment. I found that. So, uh,
what do you what do you know about the Montac project?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Well, oh, it's something that has been probably going on
longer than the project itself, I'm sure you know. I'll
bet there was secret Covit operations that were in effect
prior to that, and they just made that known, you know,
pretending that they didn't want it to be publicized, and
it's being implemented on us now and probably alternate ways.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, you know, there's so much controversy. Some people said
it's been fantasy, it's it's been speculated, and there's no
real whistleblowers that came out. I mean there are some
there's some people that claimed they were part of the
project and stuff after hypnosis or after after some kind
of delusions or something. But we tend to wonder if
(04:48):
if they can be proven, because nothing's been proven. It's
all been speculated. There's movies on it, there's there's articles
on it, there's a lot of wild conspiracy theories on it,
but I don't think there's any factual, presented evidence of
(05:11):
the actual things that are going on.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Well, if you're saying that it's not scientifically possible, that's
not a valid statement because we look at like, for instance,
ELF towers extremely low frequency, we have GWEN towers, ground
wave emergency network towers, you know, transmitting frequencies that can
has been proven scientifically to alter a person's mental cognitance
(05:36):
and their thought patterns everything. So it's not that it's
not scientifically possible. The question is did it occur? Is
that what you're saying right?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, no, you got to point there because a lot
of the things that are claimed have been speculated as
happening because we have had evidence of other things scientifically.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Like you said, I agree with you there.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
What if the black projects that are associated with Montalk
weren't just about that stuff or weapons, but about the
other things that you can't really prove. They say it
was about time travel, contacting entities from other dimensions and
different things like that. I don't know if that gets
(06:23):
more into the speculative aspects, but just a brief definition
of the Montalk project. Allegedly, it's a program that's conducted
at Camp Hero in Montalk, Long Island. How far away
is Montalk from us?
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, it's actually towards the tip of Long Island. It
would be a drive from Albany. It's probably close to
one and eighty miles. I'd say it's because Long Island
is I forgure how long that is from tip to tip,
but probably close. Like I think it's like seventy miles,
don't quote me. But and then from all Any to
the base of you know, like Manhattan would be another
(07:03):
I think it's one sixty when sixty, so we're looking
at you know, it's a good drive. But so it's
not that far. And then with the way they crow
fry fries flies fried crow, it would be you know,
like it would only be you know, maybe one hundred
miles one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, So so it's really only a few hours from us.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And people don't realize how close it is. We're folks,
we're in the We're in the gut of this uh trash.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
We got Cuomo on one side. We have what's that
next to him on the other side of us. Yeah,
we have we have prey for us people.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
We have the Marina a Brahmavaveca Witch, Hollywood witch that
Jay z and and Lady got Goat go to right.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Down twenty miles from from us.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And yep.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I'm sure there's other secret things they know about,
you know, but this is conduct things that were conducted
at this camp hero they say in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
But I think it's been going wasn't it going on
longer than that?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Actually? I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I get.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I get like the most of the experience was experiments
for seventies and eighties, but it's linked to mind control,
time travel, interdimensional experiments. But the official narrative is it's
an abandoned radar station and the rest of his conspiracy fiction,
the fringe narrative is that it's underground labs, kidnapping, kidnap children,
(08:34):
and dangerous technology. They had, they had stories or legends
of like creatures coming out of it. And I can
picture what's that island of Doctor Moreau, remember that.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Yes, seventies. I remember my sister and wifetad. I'm like,
this is creepy, But it's reality.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Isn't that kind of what it was based on? Like
the hybrid the mutated creatures and stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Well, you know, the Bible says in Genesis be prior
to the flood, the Bible says that all flesh was corrupt.
That includes like animals in a general sense, not just humans.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And they're all at Montak, right.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I'll tell you it was very weird. That's just like
a hybridization. I actually seen it on YouTube. Was a
part human, part frog. It was just born there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Was it real?
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It was real? Oh yeah, it was real. They're slapping
it to keep it going. But I guess it survived.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I seen the one that was like a fish or
pig and something else or.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Somebody said, that's like a carved like a like a
clay was laying on the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
So that was fake.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
That one was fake, But this mine was fake.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And yours is real. Yep, gather, so you de bunk mine,
but you validate yours.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I don't think the government's not like, uh, formulating these
crazy hybridized you know, cross genetic uh you tated genes
of different humans and animals. You know, what's God? What
does he do with that when they stand? You know,
when that thing dies, it's is it gonna have a soul?
Like the nephilim?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know? Now now they say covering these experiments underground
tunnels still exist, but over it is now a tourist attraction.
It's a park, like so they they they opened it up.
It's now like a park with a facility on it.
But they say it still has access to underground labs
(10:29):
and stuff. But we don't we don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Do we. I know the government has a lot of
stuff going underground.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, but why would they put a park right over it?
So yeah, I don't know. Disney World is another the
biggest mind programming UH station. You know, if I hear
that song one more time, I'm gonna croakg going there.
(10:57):
I haven't been there, but imagine going there and hearing
that over and old again. It's a small World or
whatever they play. I know people that go there every year.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
They love it. They destined to go there. I have
no desire. I have no interest.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Yep. And to do with children, I just I would
I regret having a Mickey Mouse watch when I was little.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I would probably deny a ticket. I don't want to go.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So now the origins in the background of the Montak
associated it. It's got a connection to the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Remember that I was I was just going to say that, wow,
because it's close to you know where it took place.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But that was in nineteen forty three. But there was
a Navy ship that supposedly transcended visibility. It became invisible
time displacement experiment, where survivors later tied to the Montac project.
They said, and it's the USS Eldridge invisibility experience, supposedly
(12:01):
a failed attempt at radar cloaking resulting in teleportation time displacement.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
How do you prove that?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Well, I'll tell you. The credible outiness account showed that
the guys were actually infused within the deck. When they
returned back to the location, they weren't standing on the deck.
They were like amalgamated with the metal on an atomic
level their cells and their bodies, so they're like stuck
there screaming. Did they prove that well, credible accounts were
(12:32):
describing it, and they were just I'm gonna have photographs,
but I know it's speculative, but it's you know.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, See, That's what I mean is there's not like
whenever you have these things, it's either really squashed so
you can never see it, or it's highly speculative, where
the whistleblowers are sort of questionable. You can't prove that
they're right or not. So I could tell you a
fiction story. We've proved this before. I could tell you
a fiction story and say it happened to me, and
(12:59):
there's no way for you to prove it, and there's
no way for me to prove it happened, so you'd
have to take my word for it.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I just don't trust anybody.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
There was survivors like al Bailick, who claimed that they
were that he was a later recruited into the Montak
project in the nineteen seventies and he kind of testifies
to some of these things. But of course, you know,
they say that, oh he's not he's not credible. But
I don't know. You know, Now, the Camp Hero Air
(13:31):
Force Station was closed in nineteen sixty nine, but the
thing that they're saying is that it allegedly continued underground.
It's above ground. They decommissioned the Cold War radar tower.
That's what they said. This thing was involving an underground,
multi level underground bases with labs, dormitories, and chambers for experiments.
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Now I'm gonna say this, I don't doubt that there
are underground bases, because we have them here in Albany.
We there is in Washington, d C. People have claimed
to see it, like Kathy O'Brien claims there are underground
passages where they're transporting people that they said they were
(14:17):
trafficking people through the tunnels, and so I don't doubt
that it's possible. Now when I say that, I can't
prove it is legit because I don't know, but it's
it's it's weird that people did they heard like tremors
underground in the area, like they were tunneling something like
(14:38):
like tunneling machines.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, so these things lead.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
To our speculation, but they don't really lead to our evidence.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Right. Well, I'll tell you I heard Walmart has in
some stores actually have undergroun tunnels and bases in it.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I've heard that too.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And that six star logo that they have for Walmart,
that's actually the order bore that drills through rock.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
So why would they have that as their display?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Well, hey, they just stay this part of these cult secret.
Uh you know things they do is just they put
things out and open for us to see, but we
don't know what exactly what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
But why would they choose the boar.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I'd rather see them choose prison cells because they're going
to encamp people and closed down Walmart's That's what we
were told on that too. Why don't they use prison
bars as their logo? You know they're gonna go that far,
But I don't know. I I rather think that the uh,
the image is a hexagram, and it's a secret hexagram.
That's what I picture it as because it's got the
(15:37):
six sides. But anyway you know that again, we don't know.
But but to your point, Walmart has contracts, government contracts
and affiliations, and uh they do, say I you know,
I hear rumors that there are they are other facilities
that they utilize it for, so kind of the same
(15:59):
type of things. I mean they're doing. I don't know
what are they doing in the tunnels underneath Walmart? Are
they are they secretly making toys? I don't know what
are they doing.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
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But there's a funding mystery with with Montak too. There's
rumors that it's funded by the Nazi gold recovered after
World War Two, that it's crossover with MK Ultra funding.
I don't doubt that because it's tied with the Operation
paper Clip scientists and they run the black budgets are
run like CIA. We mentioned this once before. Did we
(17:20):
mention this or did I do this myself? I talked
about the CIA funding recently. I think I did one
of these on my own. So what I found out, Darren,
is that the CIA are not funded by the government.
There are the agency is the staff maybe, but the
(17:41):
projects aren't. They're funded by alternative funding programs and black funding,
black market funding. So in other words, they use their
affiliations of porn and trafficking and things like that to
build funds the CIA experiments. Why do you think they
(18:01):
do that?
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Well, I just gotta say, I'm glad we're not funding
it tax payer.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Okay, that's a good point. But why do you think
they're doing it that way?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Good question.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I'll tell you why, because if it is government funding,
it would have ties into accountability, and they would be
up for audit or for question and they could be
shut down by the government and they'd have to be
transparent about what they're doing. But if they're funded outside
the government by black funds, by alternative mystery funds, they
(18:38):
don't have to account to anything. They can do their experiments,
nobody can shut them down because they control their own projects. See,
I mean it's outside the confines of accountability of government.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's why they do this. So this is said to
be of the same kind of funding funding it's uh.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Now there's other similar bases that exist allegedly like Dulce
Dulce Base in New Mexico, the right Patterson a f
B in Ohio. But why was Montac chosen? Possibly because
it's a remote area. Maybe uh, it's got expansion abilities.
(19:29):
Maybe access to the sea ways I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Could also be perhaps lay lines underneath could be would
be something.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But some of these experiments that are alleged, uh, they're
they're in the fringe networks and but they there there's
a m there's a speculation of mind control, psychic amplification.
So these are like MK ultra style c I A
interests of of breaking minds and programming minds, and then
(20:03):
they had the Vontac chair.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
You ever hear that.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
H Montag chair? No, I never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's the combination of electronics and psychic subjects where the
device allegedly hands enhances the abilities of the person that
sits in the chair and it gives them ultimate psychic projections. So,
in other words, astral projection like it enhances your ability
(20:32):
to astro project. I told this on another episode, might
have been even last week.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I told you about the astral travel experiments I did,
and this would this would blow me out of the water.
I mean, if I could do it, then imagine if
I had this chair what I could do.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Because I was able to do it before.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, I don't think the result of what I was
doing was ultimately scientific or even metaphysical. I think it
was more spiritual. So the ability to project my mind
someplace else may have transcend science. And it may not
(21:18):
be my mind in my state of mind, or my
ability or the physical.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Ability to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It may have been my willingness to invite or invoke
a spirit and have the spirit using me to input
information in my head to make me think I'm remote viewing,
but it was feeding me information. How do we know
we don't cross over on that? So how do we
(21:47):
know that this Montac chair that enhances people's psychic ability
isn't an ultimate spiritual demonic enhancer to summon demons to
give them ultimate permission to really feed the subject.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Yep, we don't know. That very possible absolutely.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So do you wanna do you wanna take bets on that?
You want to? You want to take your chance on that?
I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So they're also doing projects of thought forms into physical
reality reality. I think this is Uh, there's there's Nicola
uh Teslas's principles of magnifying psychic abilities and uh, but
pushing also thought forms into reality? So what's that mean?
Thinking something to exist? I don't think we can do
(22:37):
that yet. And if we can, you gotta let me know,
because then people would be conjuring stuff all the time.
Matter of fact, I need to conjure a couple hundred dollars.
I gotta I gotta pay something off. Uh, you know,
conjure my my my studio. I could have conjured one
instead of built one. Wouldn't that have been convenient to
(22:58):
have just fought my udo and existence, and here it is.
It sort of happened that way, Darren, but I had
to labor to do it. I did think it, but
I had to labor to get it done. I don't
think my studio would have been built by me just
going away and dreaming that my studio is built, and
(23:19):
then popping downstairs and finding that I have a full studio.
I don't think it's going to work that way. But
the subjects were gifted in psychic ability. They said they
hosted children with unusual abilities, military recruits trained through trauma
based mind control, and the goal is remote viewing, remote influencing,
(23:40):
or mass mind manipulation practicing. So that's what these experiments
may have done. But what about the time travel and
dimensional portals that they talked about associated with this thing.
It's claimed to allow travel to specific years or even
alternate timelines, both past and future. So it's like a
(24:01):
time machine. So if we have a time machine and
this is it, what what are we doing wasting our time?
Let's just go and get take care of it. The
fact that people say they have seen this thing or
been there or whatever, and the fact that they can't
produce evidence and the fact that no one really benefits
(24:22):
from it, like we don't see it, we don't know
about it, and it remains sort of a story.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Or a legend.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
We can't come out and say we absolutely know this
as exists. We can only say what's spin a ledge right,
it's right. So I mean, is it possible to time travel?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
People will claim it is, and I know we have
theories on Mandela effects and stuff like that. By the way,
that was just dubbed by a new ager who who
had who had a experience about Mandela and dubbed this term,
and then people psychological. He went out and tried to
find other evidences that timeline's been switched and quantum parallel
(25:06):
universes have been crossed. It was all based on this
one new ager who claims that Mandela didn't Mandela died
in prison when many of us remember him coming out
of prison, and it caused the controversy of people starting
to question what they remembered. That's how this whole thing
came about. But proven timelines, I don't know if you
(25:26):
could prove quantum fix I don't think you could prove
quantum parallel timelines. They haven't proved it yet, they only
have speculated the theory of it and said it's scientific.
But it's no more scientific than me saying I'm going
to produce a pick elephant in my room. I just
don't want to show you what it is. I mean,
(25:47):
you know, I don't know. I questioned these things. But
they claim they've been to ancient Egypt with this thing,
that they've been to Mars Darren. They've been to Mars
Colony and this is tied to Project Pegasus. They claim
(26:08):
that they recovered Tesla's experiments from nineteen forty three, and
of course it's always connected to CERN and Stargate Stargate.
We mentioned Project Stargate. It's different than the Trump Stargate
of the Golden Age that he questioned that he mentioned
(26:29):
Stargate was the psychic program of the CIA. So I
think we have mentioned this time tunnel and this people
that witnessed a sketch. They have a sketch of this
machine that's allegedly was a time machine, and I think
that was a Montac.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Didn't we talk about that once before?
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Yes, we did. Well, keep in mind they have predictive
programming and back to the future with that movie.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, so if you want to get into that, then yeah,
there is a lot lot of hints in culture, in
fiction to these possible programs, hinting or predictive programming, the
possibility of their true existence. And that's also all we
(27:17):
have is really just speculative film. I haven't seen it,
but did you see the Do you ever see the
show Stranger Things? No, I'm told that's a mimic of
the Montac experiments. They have hints to it in it
(27:38):
in the show. And you mentioned back to the Future, Yep,
we got that. And uh, I mean there's a lot
of things that are that are so there's there's that
Teleporter show or movie whatever where they travel at different
parts and and you know, materialize in other places Star
(27:59):
Trek materializing and dematerializing.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So a lot of these things have been in predictive programming.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Sure makes you wonder, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, so, but again, you know, you can make up anything.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
When you want to talk about something that is possible,
you can't say necessarily that it's absolute or happening. You
can only say it's speculating as possible. Because we can
come up with the fictions of everything that could happen.
You and I could sit here and talk about tons
of things that we suspect may be possible and may
(28:40):
be happening, and make accusations that this must be happening,
but it doesn't necessarily mean it is happening. There's talk
about Montak being associated with ET technology Exchange program.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I guess exchange. That's the ultimate exchange program.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You know, you remember when you were a kid and you
had you were in school and you were part of
a band or something, the school band, and you had
these exchange programs where you you visited somebody in Canada
uh and joined their community for a little while, and
then they came here and joined your community for a
little while. And this is ET technology exchange program. Imagine
(29:22):
that I'm going to exchange places with somebody from uh
name one of those planets that they.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Talk about that are out there, Pladium or something or whatever. Plates.
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Exchange student with an alien from plates.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's the ultimate exchange.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Well the plates are the stars star.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Clus what's the one that they talk about with the
planet the mystery planets and stuff that they say life is,
aliens come from or whatever. I don't Yeah, and that's
something like that. But it's I thought it was like whatever,
But uh yeah, so imagine that, and you know, the
the alien from play or whatever, we'll come here and
say you brought.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Me here to this trash heap. I don't think they
want to do that, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So we talked about the time travel, we talked about
the chair contact with non human entities. These are opening
portals that they talk about associate with cern and stuff.
So these are portals of interdimensional gateways. And we know
what happens when you report there's a report of alien grays,
(30:33):
reptilian beings and something that's called the beast that psychically
got manifested.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Here gone wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Now you and I have a different aspect of what
we mean when we say interdimensional portals, right, we probably
are talking more about demonic spirits being brought here, summoned here,
or us used as a conduit to give invite them here,
(31:02):
breaking into the inner dimensional realms of where the spiritual
is to help them manifest. That's I think that's more spiritual.
It's it's part of it's almost a cultic. It's like witchcraft.
It's more along the lines of that. Satanism is more
(31:24):
than it is scientifically experimental.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
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Speaker 2 (32:13):
Now, that's right, But then we have the dangerous stuff,
the stuff that's rumored to be human experimentation, like missing children.
There's been possible abductions from fosterste systems. Street kids are
even recruited in And we lost our channel, our YouTube
(32:34):
channel because we explored some of these foster systems, and
I was called cyberbullying. I was cyberbullying the pedophile rings,
and we got caught because we were talking about the
abductions from foster systems. It's part of the same things
where they were taking children and they were trafficking on them,
(32:55):
but they were running through the legal system of the
foster system uster care, and what they were doing was
scramb changing them from foster home to foster home and
trafficking them back and forth till they lost paperwork and
lost track of the children. And that's what they were
allegedly doing in that they were using them for trafficking
(33:18):
and sex and satanic rituals. Possibly they were the ones
used for these experiments, you know, through the Franklin files
and the Finder's cult. I'm not going on YouTube with
this one. That would definitely floor me. I got taken
off the first time for it.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Like child Protective Services.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah yeah, okay, so yeah, they were using all these
front agencies they're supposed to protect children and using them
to scramble the children into other homes that would mix
up the paperwork and lose them. And from this they
had psychological trauma programs and mind bending and alleged racer
(34:04):
eraser of memories and these are again associated with MK Ultra.
Some of them were returned without memories subjects they came back,
they didn't, they forgot who they were. But some of them,
it's rumored that got sent permanently through the portals. So
I don't know. I guess they're gone. I'm not laughing,
(34:27):
just you know, I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of possibly
being fiction. But we hope it's not true, because I mean,
I don't know that they're sending them through these portals.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I don't know if we could prove that. But there
was a.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Whistle There were a couple whistleblowers, but like I said,
nothing substantial that they can prove evidential that they have
hard evidence. It's only speculative evidence. So we have al
Belek that I mentioned. He claims that he was both
in the Philadelphia Experiment and Montac Project. He claims to
have time traveled to alternate life memories and describe traveling
(35:05):
to twenty one thirty seven and twenty seven forty nine ad.
You know, we're in twenty twenty five. That's one hundred
and thirty seven and oh my gosh, seven hundred years
from now.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I find that hard to believe you.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I what would he have found seven hundred years from now?
I think he would find of destroyed earth.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I don't know that he would find anything intellectual. But
he said he was mind wiped and given a different identity. Yeah,
of course he was. And then there's an electronic engineer
named Preston Nichols claimed to work directly at Montac. He
did write a book he co authored, the Montalk Project,
(35:49):
Experiments in Time and described in detailed technology of the
Montak chair. That might have been what we were kind
of showing at one time we were telling about that.
And then there's Stuart Swoodlow. He claims to be a
Montak survivor, talks about my programming and hyperspace and the
(36:10):
alien agenda. Of course that this could be okay, so
there could be smear campaigns that are happening to bury
the truths. However, it's very possible that they had people
working under these things that they put under experimentation. Could
(36:36):
they have put thoughts in their head and making them
kind of elaborate more so so it makes them seem crazy,
so that if they did whistle blow, they would have
these Outlandis claims that would go far and beyond what
is possible to make them look like kooks.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Probably, Yeah, I don't doubt that a.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Lot of Yeah, I don't doubt that a lot of
these people that are associated would be programmed and that
they were give like you have people saying I sat
with an alien? Really did you? I think I did?
What if they were programmed to think that the scientists
working on their brain was an alien so that they
could never reveal the scientists. They just go into these fantasy,
(37:22):
alternative narratives and then nobody will believe them. I was
abducted and brought to Mars. Well maybe you were brought
to a different level of the Montacua chambers, you know
what I mean. But you were told that if you
come out of it and you remember this, you're going
to remember it as aliens taking you to Venus.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's easy to do.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I mean, I'm just saying, of course, that's not proven either.
I'm just saying that's what a possible explanation of what
they could be doing, So we wonder if it could
be real. There are military motives such as instant troop
deployment through time and space. Imagine that you just call
up a troop anytime and just call them up from
(38:10):
the past or present, seeing enemies plans before they happen.
You know, if you can ask to travel as to
travel to Germany or Russia and see what they're planning.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I mean, come on, that's what they'd say.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They were doing. You can alter historical events. I don't
doubt they do that, but not through time travel. I
think they're doing it by time manipulation of paperwork. I
think they're just squashing our history and making new books
that are you know, to replace them. And then there's
(38:45):
occult motives. Elites haven't been tied to rituals and esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
There's manipulation in high level occultism. And then there's the
dangers of the ethical issues like time line manipulation. If
we could do this, what are we really doing? I
mean we we are watchers of movies and fantasy. Marvel
movies have has the the parallel universes all mixed throughout,
(39:15):
and Doctor Strange is part of that. And even Iron
Man got wrapped up into it. And Doctor Strange warned
not to go back into the future or in the
past and alter it because you can devastate the whole
ripple of the timeline.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And if you could do that, it's dangerous. That's all
we can say.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Right, yeah, really it's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Now it could be cover up.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It could be basically covering up for public backlash and
maintaining a power monopoly of ties into other things that
this distracts us, distracts us too, so that we don't
see what's really going on, that they're really putting larger
control systems for the deep state or new world order.
You know, if they could put up all these fronts,
(40:00):
they could get our they could redirect us towards these
things that really don't matter or that we'll never find out,
and we sit there and have shows like this and
basically ignore the real things they're doing.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I'm wondering if these are disinformation distractions to cover
other classified programs, if they're implanting false memories on purpose
making whistleblowers believe events happen to cover up true ops,
or that they're even putting these narratives like Mandela effects
to make people question whether they really believe anything. And
(40:39):
because if we believe everything could be altered, then we
don't have to believe in anything, because everything could be
a lie, everything could be altered, and everything could be manipulated. Therefore,
we don't have you know, we don't have anything reliable
as a foundation. And we say, well we do. We
have Jesus Christ. We have got Yeah, if you can
alter the past and and alter things that are happening
(41:01):
in timelines, then you can alter my salvation and I
won't know Jesus Christ. Possibly Now I have to fear
that my salvation is under interrogation from these manipulators of
time travel.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to
do that.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I don't believe they can manipulate my faith. So, you know,
do some of these things happen secretive government programs I believe, yes,
underground basis really possible, human experimental experimentations, absolutely, black site
(41:38):
mind control programs, yep, I believe.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
So we have proof of that, MK Ultra.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You know, all these projects operation whatever, we have, all
these we do know that they do this. Now do
we stretch it to time travel or quantum universe, quantum
parallel universe?
Speaker 4 (42:00):
And I don't, I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I I don't have to go there to know that
these experiments are enough for me to say I don't
like it, you know, so whether true or not, Montak
fits the pattern of secretive sites, government denials, technology and
occult crossovers. And uh, I encourage you if you want
(42:25):
to look into it and you think there's something to it,
dig in, you know, read some Montak books and just
keep in mind where the sources are, keep in mind
where the roots are, and keep in mind if there's
any actual evidence surfacing that can be produced. So I
leave it at that. So we'll end there, Darren, My
website is huh. I hope so, I hope we didn't
(42:50):
bore anybody, but I hope we also, I hope we
didn't tease them.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I hope we didn't entice them.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
And you know, give them a teaser and they say, oh,
you guys, you guys are teasing us. Now, well, no,
we're just presenting discussion things. And I told you that boring.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
They must have an exciting life if this.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Is, well, it's boring.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
If they don't think about it, and they won't don't
want to think about it, and they think it's not true,
then it might be just oh it's boring to me,
it's it's they may as well talk about a Disney movie,
you know, because it's all fantasy to them. So it
might be boring to some people, but something interesting to
think about. And you know, whether you think it's real
or not. I just I'm presenting these things more so,
(43:34):
and so I can give my speculation and my conclusions.
And my conclusion is that I don't believe some of it,
and some of it I would say it's potentially possible.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
So they're all right.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
My website, Jim Duke Perspective dot com. Thank you for
listening and we will see you next time.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
God blessed.
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the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys, my
cass livers anywhere. So Chad White, the Fringe coowboy, I
mean he's like he took a leave of absence or whatever,
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and so the guys asked me to do the network ID.
So you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network. I know
I was gonna say it, fringe radionetwork dot com. What
oh jat? Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah? Do you have the app?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
It's the best way to listen to the Fringe Radio Network.
I mean it's so great. I mean it's clean and
simple and you have all the shows, all the episodes,
and you have the live chat, and it's it's safe
and it won't hurt your phone, and it sounds beautiful
and it won't track you or trace you and you
(45:46):
don't have to log in to use it.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
How do you get it?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Fringeradionetwork dot com right at the top of the page.
So anyway, so we're just gonna go back to cleaning
these chimneys and listening to the Fringe Radio Network work.
And so I guess, you know, I mean, I guess
we're listening together. So I mean, I know, I mean, well,
I mean, I guess you might be listening to a
(46:10):
different episode or whatever, or or maybe maybe you're listening
maybe you're listening to it, like at a different time
than we are. But I mean, well, I mean, if
you accidentally just downloaded this, no, I guess you'd be Okay,
I'm rambling. Okay, Okay, you're listening to the Fringe Radio
(46:32):
Network Fringe radionetwork dot com. There are you happy? Okay,
let's clean these chimneys.
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